November 30, 2016

Romney After Trump Meeting: "I've Been Impressed by What I've Seen"
— Ace

My (weakly-held) theory is that Trump really wants that public apology, and a lot of the drama going on right now is an attempt to extract it from Romney.

This isn't explicitly an apology, but he praises Trump enough (almost) as to be in contradiction of his campaign-season statements about Trump, in which he called Trump a "con man" and a "fraud."

Will Trump take Romney's plain contradiction of his past claims as a de facto apology, or is going to insist on the "I apologize" formulation?

(Yeah, I meant to post this earlier and never did. Let's call it an Open Thread. Lot of stuff in the sidebar.)

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1 1st ?

Posted by: Noah Bawdy at November 30, 2016 01:26 PM (1aDmL)

2 Romney After Trump Meeting: "I've Been Impressed by What I've Seen" It was YUUUGE?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:29 PM (8ZskC)

3 I'll get the others

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 30, 2016 01:29 PM (+/zXg)

4 not first. Lame.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:29 PM (cJrMO)

5 Romney hasn't paid taxes in a decade. And he put Seamus on top of the Truckster.

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 30, 2016 01:29 PM (Fp4vv)

6 Uh, and no -- I still hope Trump is going to pull an Erlich and put his balls on the conference room table. http://preview.tinyurl.com/jofolkc Fuck Romney.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:30 PM (cJrMO)

7 It was YUUUGE? Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 06:29 PM (8ZskC) It was a bigly f-ing carrot stick!

Posted by: Mittster at November 30, 2016 01:30 PM (Om16U)

8 10th?

Posted by: Crusader at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (ewSN2)

9 Romney will say anything to get back in the game.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (8ZskC)

10 I think Trump thinks he needs Mitt's faction to get stuff done. So he really wants him on board.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (Om16U)

11 Still not tired of winning.

Posted by: Jake (not a guest) at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (1BdMd)

12 Bigly impressed.

Posted by: Chet Rombley at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (MQZBa)

13 Thanks, Mitt. Now go away.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 30, 2016 01:31 PM (kTF2Z)

14 What Romney said last night is pretty much an apology and eating crow. Now whether PE Trump picks him for State I have no fuckin idea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (hN38n)

15 How about an apology for trash-talking the GOP nominee when he was the only defense we had against the Hildabeast, Mitt?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (8ZskC)

16 As long as Mitt is not involved in the Obamacare discussions or Court picks, I don't care what he does.

Posted by: SH at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (gmeXX)

17 Apologize?

I want to see some literal boot licking.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (P/kVC)

18 Nobody gives two shits what Mittens thinks or says. That guy has about much credibility as the MFM.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Teleprompter at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (LNoBv)

19 Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run? Keep this traitor out of SOS.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 01:32 PM (Tegl7)

20 I though we had the two-minute-hate thread this morning. Oh, there's more than one a day now. Got it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at November 30, 2016 01:33 PM (wB8Tg)

21 Romney After Trump Meeting: "I've Been Impressed by What I've Seen" You just haven't been around enough, Mormon-boy.

Posted by: Anthony Wiener at November 30, 2016 01:33 PM (8ZskC)

22 'Love in a Car Elevator Lovin' it up while I'm goin' down'

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (MQZBa)

23 There is some wisdom in trying to make a friend of an enemy, as long as you watch him.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (92kX2)

24 The phrase "I'd rather have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in" comes to mind. But not as Secretary of State. Give him something and you at least shut him the hell up when the important issues are being discussed.

Posted by: Crusader at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (ewSN2)

25 Did DT show Mitt his baby's hand holding a carrot?

Posted by: Carrot Man at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (BO/km)

26 Think the leftover turkey is still safe? I'm thinking turkey enchiladas to use it all up...

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (o2Gxg)

27 After Trump had "Goldman Sachs" painted as a villain in the campaign, he puts one of their guys in charge. Outside of some strict border enforcement and general populist trade policies, Trump will not uphold his campaign.

Posted by: wooga at November 30, 2016 01:34 PM (4dhU8)

28 If Mittens gets the nod, Trump will lose more support from his base than he will get from the establishment. And Mittens will end up being as highly respected as our current Secretary of State, the dishonorable John Effin Kerry.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2016 01:35 PM (DofIg)

29 There is some wisdom in trying to make a friend of an enemy, as long as you watch him. My father had a clever saying about this, but I forgot what it was.

Posted by: Michael Corleone at November 30, 2016 01:35 PM (8ZskC)

30 Mitt couldn't handle Candy Crowley. How the fuck do you make that pantywaist Sec of State?

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2016 01:35 PM (MQZBa)

31 Don't forget, Romney basically said Trump was courting the KKK. And then there's the very real ties he had to a 3rd party effort that had the goal of simply giving Hillary a safe Red State like Utah. I can overlook someone saying bad things about Trump, we all have, but Romney really went into some dark territory that you can't come back from. Trump would be wise to simply find someone else for whatever job Romney wants, it's not like failed Presidential candidates do amazing things in the Secretary of State job. The track record is pretty abysmal.

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:35 PM (g9iYn)

32 I have an idea Trump has to leave his business behind while he is in office, right? Maybe he is asking Romney to handle it for him. Romney holds no office, has high integrity, and is independent of Trump Fixes alot of problems

Posted by: ThunderB at November 30, 2016 01:35 PM (cy9sE)

33 Could Ace lend Trump the Barrel? I'm thinking that giving Mitt a glimpse of it while ominously muttering, "Soon..." might get that public apology out of him.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (BK3ZS)

34 I don't want Romney as SOS because I don't want Trump to lose any of his supporters over a cabinet pick. I think he would do an exceptional job but it ain't worth losing the Trump momentum.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (FOeaV)

35 26 Think the leftover turkey is still safe? I'm thinking turkey enchiladas to use it all up... Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 06:34 PM (o2Gxg) I ended up making Turkey soup. It was quite good.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (DofIg)

36 19 Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run? Keep this traitor out of SOS. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 06:32 PM (Tegl7) ...about as much as Trump? Oh, he did have that one aide who shut down the "what about your gaaaaaaffes" reporter at the Polish Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, that was pretty sweet.

Posted by: hogmartin at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (8nWyX)

37 I honestly think Rudy, known to be Trump's BFF, would be a better Sec State. Foreign leaders would know they had the ear of Trump, so to speak.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (Om16U)

38 11 Still not tired of winning. Posted by: Jake (not a guest) ----------------- You sound hideous.

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (o2Gxg)

39 After Trump had "Goldman Sachs" painted as a villain in the campaign, he puts one of their guys in charge. Outside of some strict border enforcement and general populist trade policies, Trump will not uphold his campaign. I don't care if he spends 4 (or years in office partying like its 1999, at least that evil bitch that ran against him won't be our President.

Posted by: Crusader at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (ewSN2)

40 20 I though we had the two-minute-hate thread this morning. Oh, there's more than one a day now. Got it. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 30, 2016 06:33 PM (wB8Tg) Every day's a primary day!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:36 PM (92kX2)

41 Like Romney is the Indispensable Man or something? Yeah, right.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:37 PM (8ZskC)

42 MITT!!! BOW DOWN BEFORE ME!!!

Posted by: President Elect The Donald at November 30, 2016 01:37 PM (qJhUV)

43 Sec of State has become a hollow Officer. ALL Foreign Policy is run from the White House. The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:37 PM (hN38n)

44 I don't want Romney as SOS because I don't want Trump to lose any of his supporters over a cabinet pick. I think he would do an exceptional job but it ain't worth losing the Trump momentum. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth I agree completely. For that reason alone, it makes sense to find someone else. I think Trump just wants to make sure Romney doesn't run against him in 2020, but Romney would be DOA if he tried that. Republicans know he is a choker.

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:38 PM (g9iYn)

45 37 I honestly think Rudy, known to be Trump's BFF, would be a better Sec State. Foreign leaders would know they had the ear of Trump, so to speak. Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 06:36 PM (Om16U) What mystifies me is that we have not heard anything about Rudy being considered for these positions. Maybe Trump is holding him for something else, or he does not want it (which I find hard to believe.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:38 PM (92kX2)

46 There are no red lines in Syria. Wonder how that happened?

Posted by: Carrot Man at November 30, 2016 01:38 PM (BO/km)

47 But not as Secretary of State. Give him something and you at least shut him the hell up when the important issues are being discussed. He stays out of the family business.

Posted by: Sonny Trumpino at November 30, 2016 01:38 PM (8ZskC)

48 26 Think the leftover turkey is still safe? I'm thinking turkey enchiladas to use it all up... Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 06:34 PM (o2Gxg) I ended up making Turkey soup. It was quite good. I made Turkey Pot Pie tonight!...yummy!

Posted by: KWDreaming at November 30, 2016 01:39 PM (AkcYt)

49 Let Romney run Trumps business interests

Posted by: ThunderB at November 30, 2016 01:39 PM (cy9sE)

50 I'm in the minority in that I like Romney. I think he is basically a decent guy. Sure he was a jerk in the election, but I kind of expect that from politicians. Romney at State wouldn't bother me, he has that smarminess I have come to expect from State folks. I liked the idea of having him fix the VA better though.

Posted by: Seldom at November 30, 2016 01:39 PM (o9Let)

51 What mystifies me is that we have not heard anything about Rudy being considered for these positions. Maybe Trump is holding him for something else, or he does not want it (which I find hard to believe.) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 06:38 PM (92kX2) Me too. Trump has said Rudy can have any job he wants. Makes me wonder if Rudy is sick.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 01:39 PM (Om16U)

52 26 Think the leftover turkey is still safe? I'm thinking turkey enchiladas to use it all up... Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 06:34 PM (o2Gxg) http://tinyurl.com/gvl7uvv doooooo iiiiiittttt...

Posted by: hogmartin at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (8nWyX)

53 10 I think Trump thinks he needs Mitt's faction to get stuff done. So he really wants him on board. Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 06:31 PM (Om16U) Is it really true, though? These people may be more trouble than they're worth.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (Xuv2G)

54 30 Mitt couldn't handle Candy Crowley. How the fuck do you make that pantywaist Sec of State? Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2016 06:35 PM (MQZBa) All you have to do is when you want him to play hardball is tell him the diplomats of the other country are Republicans.

Posted by: buzzion at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (z/Ubi)

55 Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 06:35 PM (g9iYn) Come on. Trump intimated that Cruz's dad was part of the Kennedy assassination. I understand though that It's not the awful things that were said but more when they were said.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (FOeaV)

56 I like MOST of the Sec State candidates....there's some things I'm not terribly thrilled about with Patreus. Sec State is still important, lots of bureaucracy and infrastructure under their control. Mitt could probably do the job, but maybe he does need to humble himself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (UHLlC)

57 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy

No, it's not! I do all kinds of important....stuff!

Posted by: Secretary of State John Fn Kerry at November 30, 2016 01:40 PM (qJhUV)

58 What mystifies me is that we have not heard anything about Rudy being considered for these positions. Maybe Trump is holding him for something else, or he does not want it (which I find hard to believe.) Posted by: Aetius451AD Because shit head Rand Paul announced like 48 hours after Election Day he would try and kill Giuliani's nomination. It doesn't take very many Republican defections to deny Trump's a Cabinet appointment.

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:41 PM (g9iYn)

59 1. Trump is dangling Romney in front of the eStatists to stunt them for a while. 2. Take a knee, Romney.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 01:41 PM (4ugnK)

60 No, it's not! I do all kinds of important....stuff! Posted by: Secretary of State John Fn Kerry at November 30, 2016 06:40 PM (qJhUV) Hey get your shine box and bring me the ketchup

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:41 PM (hN38n)

61 Palin is being considered for VA. What if Trump pulls a switcheroo and puts Mitt in VA & Palin in State? *dies laughing*

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 01:41 PM (Om16U)

62 What mystifies me is that we have not heard anything about Rudy being considered for these positions. Maybe Trump is holding him for something else, or he does not want it (which I find hard to believe.) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 06:38 PM (92kX2) ++++ The ferret-face Jarrett runs the show in the White House. What title does she hold, because that sort of position would fit the bill for Rudy.

Posted by: washrivergal at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (CFc5L)

63 Per WZ, Scott Brown, Pete Hegseth, and Sarah Palin (?!?) floated for VA secretary. Hegseth seems to be the most qualified. On the other two names, what the heck?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (92kX2)

64 Does anyone think Trump won't conduct his own foreign policy, and blow right past whoever is made Secretary of State? Look at everyone else involved in foreign policy, except for Nikki Haley they are all very not Romney. Romney will just run the bureaucracy, and that bureaucracy is probably going to be shrunk, for this task he is probably the most capable guy out there. And appointing him to this will reassure a lot of peripheral people in Washington along with the not very enthusiastic Republicans who have accepted Trump. Honestly I am far more worried about people like Mnuchin who exist to keep Goldman Schs on the gravy train.

Posted by: Roy CT at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (wdHQo)

65 56 I like MOST of the Sec State candidates....there's some things I'm not terribly thrilled about with Patreus. Sec State is still important, lots of bureaucracy and infrastructure under their control. Mitt could probably do the job, but maybe he does need to humble himself. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 06:40 PM (UHLlC) What's wrong with Patreus? The thing that brought him down was small potatoes compared to his skill set.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (Xuv2G)

66 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy The Secretary of State is a pimp. He could never have outfought Santino.

Posted by: Vito Corleone at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (8ZskC)

67 From the sidebar -- if chicks don't want to shave in November, too, then don't. Most SJWs seem not to want ro anyway. What's the big effin' deal?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (BK3ZS)

68 The whole Rudy thing confuses me as well. If not State or AG, what role is Rudy going to have in the admin? Maybe he just wants to be an adviser?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at November 30, 2016 01:42 PM (+AnUx)

69 Come on. Trump intimated that Cruz's dad was part of the Kennedy assassination. I understand though that It's not the awful things that were said but more when they were said. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth And Cruz said Trump was in the Mafia. I can overlook stupid insults during a primary, I can't over look someone helping a 3rd party to get Hillary elected President. Why reward that with what many would say is the best job you can land in the Administration?

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (g9iYn)

70 Palin is great at cleaning out rotten wood. She did it in Alaska.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (Om16U)

71 What title does she hold, because that sort of position would fit the bill for Rudy. Posted by: washrivergal at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (CFc5L) That is Bannon jobs....That and running Kellogg out of business

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (hN38n)

72 FINISH HIM!!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (3hIZX)

73 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 06:37 PM (hN38n) "An errand boy ... sent by grocery clerks"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (zc3Db)

74 When will Trump Opaligize to Hillary for lying and cheating. Trump also hates persons of color and lied just as bad as Bush did. bUSH AND tRUMP LIED AND PERSONS OF COLOR FREEDOM DIED !!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (Fbj4h)

75 What's wrong with Patreus? The thing that brought him down was small potatoes compared to his skill set. Petraeus seems to believe that citizens shouldn't own guns.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (8ZskC)

76 I thought my schadenboner would be uncomfortable by now.


It's not.


It's glorious.

Posted by: MacGruber at November 30, 2016 01:43 PM (sWgE+)

77 The ferret-face Jarrett runs the show in the White House. What title does she hold, because that sort of position would fit the bill for Rudy. Posted by: washrivergal at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (CFc5L) Senior adviser? Something like that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:44 PM (92kX2)

78 >>I don't want Romney as SOS because I don't want Trump to lose any of his supporters over a cabinet pick. I think he would do an exceptional job but it ain't worth losing the Trump momentum I agree he would do an excellent job but I really don't care. Not a single real Trump supporter would leave over Romney but let's move on already.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 01:44 PM (/tuJf)

79 Romney will just run the bureaucracy, and that bureaucracy is probably going to be shrunk, for this task he is probably the most capable guy out there. And appointing him to this will reassure a lot of peripheral people in Washington along with the not very enthusiastic Republicans who have accepted Trump. So basically he'll have Romney visiting the same chicken farms in Africa that Obama sent Hillary to?

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:44 PM (Xuv2G)

80 The Secretary of State is a pimp. He could never have outfought Santino. Posted by: Vito Corleone at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (8ZskC) Maybe we could get Ace's Penis. He has the hat.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:44 PM (92kX2)

81 What's wrong with Patreus? The thing that brought him down was small potatoes compared to his skill set. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (Xuv2G) Actually no it's not. He violated a host of secrecy laws and committed adultery which is taken pretty seriously in the Military. HE should have known better.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:45 PM (hN38n)

82 And I am going to stop using that joke.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:45 PM (92kX2)

83 "Will Trump take Romney's plain contradiction of his past claims as a de facto apology, or is going to insist on the 'I apologize' formulation?" Lyndon Johnson used to say about one of his political associates that if LBJ demanded this fellow kiss LBJ's bare ass in Macy's window at high noon in front of a crowd and then declare it to smell like chocolate, the guy would do it. Perhaps Trump should dust off that precedent, except do it at high noon at Trump Tower. Or, more pertinently, Trump should dump both Romney and Petraeus as SecState candidates, and get someone who isn't a stealth liberal squish, as both of these are.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 01:45 PM (noWW6)

84 36 19 Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run? Keep this traitor out of SOS. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 06:32 PM (Tegl7) ...about as much as Trump? Oh, he did have that one aide who shut down the "what about your gaaaaaaffes" reporter at the Polish Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, that was pretty sweet. Posted by: hogmartin at November 30, 2016 06:36 PM (8nWyX) Trump won the election defeating decades of Globalist interests of which Romney was a card carrying member. I fail to see how Romney aligns with the platform that Trump won the election on. In fact he is gong to alienate the people who voted for him and volunteered working for him. After everything Hillary has done while SOS and how feckless Kerry has been, this would be a knife in the back to millions if not 10s of millions of his supporters.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 01:45 PM (Tegl7)

85 I'm with @Seldom Mittens is a very good man and a great organizer, just not a hardball politician. Which is why we had 8 years of Barry instead of the 4 he should have had. Is he the best choice? Maybe not but he's not incompetent and he's not a worthless fundraiser to be rewarded. I suspect he and Patreaus both have competencies that Trump would like to exploit. And it probably comes down to who Trump thinks he can work with.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (UHLlC)

86 Job description: President's delivery boy. If you have a weak president it is only necessary to have a weak delivery boy. A strong president needs a strong person to deliver his message.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (4ugnK)

87 The guy that invented the Big Mac just died at 98. What if they were to find out the secret to longevity is a Big Mac a week?

Posted by: Carrot Man at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (BO/km)

88 OK - I just started my third drink, so I guess I'm walking up to Food Lion in a bit... http://tinyurl.com/gvl7uvv doooooo iiiiiittttt... Posted by: hogmartin THAT looks perfect for tonight. I already have everything but the cheese. Exactly what I was thinking, thanks.

Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (o2Gxg)

89 What I don;t understand is, who are the people that think Romney is indispensable? Because he ran the Olympic in Utah? Because he speaks French? Why is this something Trump needs to do?

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (g9iYn)

90 I've lost (not all, but more) respect for Willard over the years because he hasn't changed his shape-shifting flip-flopping ways. But ultimately if chosen for State, Mitt's lack of a spine is a good thing for a Trump Administration as long as Mitt has a strong hand to guide him. Be the diplomat you've always wanted to be, big guy!

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (6uMKl)

91 Petraeus is a gun control guy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (IqV8l)

92 <i>The thing that brought him down was small potatoes compared to his skill set.
Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (Xuv2G)</i>


He broke the secrecy laws that Hillary did.  Not small potatoes at all.  Only difference - he got prosecuted.

Posted by: MacGruber at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (sWgE+)

93 From the sidebar, the SJWs whining about no-shave November and Movember can kiss my ass. Breast cancer gets more funding than any other cancer, so fuck you for bitching about funding for prostate cancer, you man-hating cocksuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (0mRoj)

94 Re: the sidebar article about no-shave November, and changing "November" to "Brovember" My offering of new month names Manuary Repruary Harsh Rapril Splaypril Weigh Poon Tooly Hogust Reptember Rocktober Blowvember (or Brovember( Hecember

Posted by: bob at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (ixM4j)

95 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Gob-Smacked Rage Monkeys (Suck It, NR!) at November 30, 2016 06:42 PM (BK3ZS) That no shave November thing drives me crazy. The young dudes I know that don't shave I always ask, what have you accomplished? The reply is always I'm raising awareness. The facial equivalent of a ribbon.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (Q5Ymk)

96 Petraeus went along with the Benghazi cover up for a while IIRC

Posted by: ThunderB at November 30, 2016 01:46 PM (cy9sE)

97 I'LL NEVER TAKE A JOB IN THAT CON ARTIST'S ADMINISTRATION!! *Trump wins* *Romney angles for a job in Trump's administration* Seriously? Fuck this guy. If anyone has exhibited the traits of a con artist, it's Romney. Say anything to get what he wants. Fuck this guy and his magic underoos.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 01:47 PM (4ErVI)

98 I got to get rid of this root sock.

Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2016 01:47 PM (BO/km)

99 I'd be willing to bet now that Mittens has made the "I'm impressed" statement, Trump is gonna tell Mittens and his minions put down some cold, hard cash to prove their penitence. Pay to play you back-stabbing dirt bags, or remain irrelevant.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Teleprompter at November 30, 2016 01:48 PM (LNoBv)

100 What's wrong with Patreus? he was a Barky-loving douchebag who ran interference for Barky and Shrillary on Benghazi - in addition to having been a shit on a bunch of other issues with his asinine "hearts and minds" BS.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 01:48 PM (zc3Db)

101 If you have a weak president it is only necessary to have a weak delivery boy. A strong president needs a strong person to deliver his message. Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 06:46 PM (4ugnK) In recent times, the President's National Security Council has taken over many of those roles. Remember that is were Kissinger started and he was only a "Strong" Sec of State because of that...and Nixon's pre-occupation with that watergate thing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:48 PM (hN38n)

102

 

Trump has said Rudy can have any job he wants.
Makes me wonder if Rudy is sick.

Posted by: Deplorable votermom @vm on Gab at November 30, 2016 06:39 PM (Om16U)

 

 

Rudy has a successful security consulting firm going.He may not want the job.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 30, 2016 01:49 PM (lKyWE)

103 @91 Yep, that's one of my BIG problems with him. I'd rather have someone else in the admin than him, but credit where it's due, Patreus has some skills.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 01:49 PM (UHLlC)

104 Petraeus covered for Hillary and Obama over Benghazi Fuck Him

Posted by: ThunderB at November 30, 2016 01:49 PM (cy9sE)

105 What's wrong with Patreus? http://tinyurl.com/zutwhre

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:49 PM (8ZskC)

106 Posted by: Insomniac at November 30, 2016 06:46 PM (0mRoj) I agree with you on the funding but the dudes that don't shave are virtue signaling to their stupid friends on facebook and insta. They don't accomplish jack, their time would be better spent raising funds instead of awareness.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 01:49 PM (Q5Ymk)

107 Posted by: Crusader at November 30, 2016 06:34 PM (ewSN2) Only if its something somewhat degrading. Put him in charge of fixing all of the supply and sewer lines in the country or whatever Trump was babbling about. Call him the "shit czar." I can get on board with Romney being our first shit czar.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (cJrMO)

108 Trump needs to have some flaming ghey as SOS - and expose the lefties and muzzies for what they are

Posted by: batterup at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (mtGE/)

109 >>Trump won the election defeating decades of Globalist interests of which Romney was a card carrying member That is absolute horseshoe. These dumb labels are just that, dumb.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (/tuJf)

110 And then there's the very real ties he had to a 3rd party effort that had the goal of simply giving Hillary a safe Red State like Utah. -------- With the verified fact that he did turn over Minnesota to Hillary.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (BS8yt)

111 Actually no it's not. He violated a host of secrecy laws and committed adultery which is taken pretty seriously in the Military. HE should have known better. He wasn't in the military at the time, IIRC, which makes the adultery nobody's business but his wife's. Adulterers in Washington are pretty thick on the ground. And while he did violate secrecy laws, I'm not sure it was a "host". He gave some classified information to his biographer/lover as background.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (Xuv2G)

112 103 @91 Yep, that's one of my BIG problems with him. I'd rather have someone else in the admin than him, but credit where it's due, Patreus has some skills. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 06:49 PM (UHLlC) at losing wars and getting his dick wet maybe.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (cJrMO)

113 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 06:47 PM (4ErVI) Had to put in that last shot against his religion why?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 01:50 PM (FOeaV)

114 106 Posted by: Insomniac at November 30, 2016 06:46 PM (0mRoj) I agree with you on the funding but the dudes that don't shave are virtue signaling to their stupid friends on facebook and insta. They don't accomplish jack, their time would be better spent raising funds instead of awareness. Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 06:49 PM (Q5Ymk) I know people who specifically raise funds through this and I have personally donated.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (0mRoj)

115 Let Romney fix the VA...actually that is the perfect position for him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (hN38n)

116 I want new guys. Young, new guys. Young, unknown outsider guys who have not spent a lifetime in politics and have a lifetime of debts, favors, and obligations to pay back. Young apprentice guys who have a history of getting things done.

Posted by: Bry Tellmore at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (79vDN)

117 I have less issues with Petraeus than I do Romney, but he also pissed me off when he went out of his way to defend Hillary with the whole email server thing, despite getting way harsher punishment for a much smaller offense. The he started that whole "let's take guns away from Veterans" political action committe. He really has no balls or scruples.

Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (g9iYn)

118 >>>Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run?<<< Perspective: Hillary Clinton. John Fucking Kerry. Low bar, I know, but Jesus!

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (6uMKl)

119 I shave twice a year if needed. Fuck em.

Posted by: USNtakim with a glorious beard at November 30, 2016 01:51 PM (hMqvx)

120 Is there any evidence that Romney knows anything about foreign policy?

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (sdi6R)

121 Mittens is a very good man and a great organizer, just not a hardball politician. Which is why we had 8 years of Barry instead of the 4 he should have had. Is he the best choice? Maybe not but he's not incompetent and he's not a worthless fundraiser to be rewarded. I suspect he and Patreaus both have competencies that Trump would like to exploit. And it probably comes down to who Trump thinks he can work with. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 06:46 PM (UHLlC) no? He seemed to know how to play hardball politics during the primaries in '08 and '12...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (cJrMO)

122 Trump could appoint Romney to Chief Asswiper.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (BS8yt)

123 Trump won the election defeating decades of Globalist interests of which Romney was a card carrying member. I fail to see how Romney aligns with the platform that Trump won the election on. In fact he is gong to alienate the people who voted for him and volunteered working for him. After everything Hillary has done while SOS and how feckless Kerry has been, this would be a knife in the back to millions if not 10s of millions of his supporters. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 06:45 PM (Tegl7) I'm not pitching him for SoS, just pointing out that if you're going to ask what foreign policy credentials he has, the answer is, "as much as any other person who has never been in the military nor worked in government but who does international business, one of whom comes to mind".

Posted by: hogmartin at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (8nWyX)

124 Why are all yall second guessing DT already? He knows what he wants to do and is going to do it. Some things we'll like and some we won't. At least give him a break and a chance. Geeez. Also I voted for TC so don't blame me.

Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (BO/km)

125 He wasn't in the military at the time, IIRC, which makes the adultery nobody's business but his wife's. Adulterers in Washington are pretty thick on the ground. And while he did violate secrecy laws, I'm not sure it was a "host". He gave some classified information to his biographer/lover as background. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:50 PM (Xuv2G) Oh contrer... he was involved with her when he was in the Military and gave her secret docs then also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:52 PM (hN38n)

126 He wasn't in the military at the time, IIRC, which makes the adultery nobody's business but his wife's. Adulterers in Washington are pretty thick on the ground. And while he did violate secrecy laws, I'm not sure it was a "host". He gave some classified information to his biographer/lover as background. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:50 PM (Xuv2G) Still kind of playing fast and loose with morals there. After the last couple of SoSs, it would be better to try to get a person of unimpeachable character in there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 01:53 PM (92kX2)

127 Posted by: Insomniac at November 30, 2016 06:51 PM (0mRoj) The dummies I know don't accomplish anything. Shave, don't shave just raise money.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 01:53 PM (Q5Ymk)

128 @Harry I'm pretty sure you can't put losing Iraq on Patreus. The man oversaw one of the bigger successes we had there (not saying he was the architect, but he didn't fuck up the Surge and the Anbar 'Awakening'). Can't say I blame him for getting it wet with whats-her-name. I've seen his wife. And it's not like Donald is a monk. Anyway, he's not my first choice but he might work.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 01:53 PM (UHLlC)

129 "Petraeus is a gun control guy." Petraeus is a gun control guy like Anthony Weiner enjoys sexting. That is, Petraeus has signed on with the most extreme anti-gun-rights crap anyone could possibly imagine. To the level of endorsing the ratification of international treaties, binding on the USA, prohibiting private gun ownership except under the most impossibly restrictive terms. No. Just no. Plus, if Hillary Clinton's spillage of classified information via e-mail is disqualifying for the top government position, the similar actions by Petraeus ought to be just as damning and equally disqualifying for Cabinet rank postings.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 01:53 PM (noWW6)

130 >>Is there any evidence that Romney knows anything about foreign policy? Aside from everything he said in 2012 coming true you mean?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 01:54 PM (/tuJf)

131 115 Let Romney fix the VA...actually that is the perfect position for him Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 06:51 PM (hN38n) Agreed. He seems to have a talent for getting bureaucracies to perform, and Lord knows the VA needs it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:54 PM (Xuv2G)

132 Woolrich, the oldest maker of outdoor wear in America, just went European. Coincidence or clever planning for the future? How is Trump gonna stop thousands of other US companies from doing the same?

Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 01:54 PM (UlJ8y)

133 I have less issues with Petraeus than I do Romney, but he also pissed me off when he went out of his way to defend Hillary with the whole email server thing, despite getting way harsher punishment for a much smaller offense. The he started that whole "let's take guns away from Veterans" political action committe. He really has no balls or scruples. Posted by: Maritime at November 30, 2016 06:51 PM (g9iYn) Mike McCaul for Homeland Security, that's a winner.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 01:55 PM (4ugnK)

134 No to Petraeus because he is the Talibans speech enforcer. Not who we need at State. Romney is not an appeaser at least. Wouldn't be my pick I would lead him on then ask how my ass tastes but that is probably why I am not President Elect.

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2016 01:55 PM (zcT9k)

135 How is Trump gonna stop thousands of other US companies from doing the same? Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (UlJ8y) Is Hillary doing okay these days? We're worried.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 01:55 PM (8ZskC)

136 Agreed. He seems to have a talent for getting bureaucracies to perform, and Lord knows the VA needs it. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (Xuv2G) And then if does a great job there, President Trump can consider him for a higher profile Yob

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:56 PM (hN38n)

137 97 Seriously? Fuck this guy. If anyone has exhibited the traits of a con artist, it's Romney. Say anything to get what he wants. Fuck this guy and his magic underoos. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 06:47 PM (4ErVI) That's for sure. Don't even get me started on his space policy speech during the 2012 primaries. I lost any respect I had for him after that.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 30, 2016 01:56 PM (sdi6R)

138 I s'pose though there aint no harm in spectulating.

Posted by: f'd at November 30, 2016 01:56 PM (BO/km)

139 Who will Tucker beat up tonight?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (IqV8l)

140 27 After Trump had "Goldman Sachs" painted as a villain in the campaign, he puts one of their guys in charge. Outside of some strict border enforcement and general populist trade policies, Trump will not uphold his campaign. Posted by: wooga Ex-Goldman Sachs, and only because the purist choice--the guy who works at the car wash-- wasn't available so Trump had to go with someone who knows something about the economy.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (iWW0H)

141 "Is there any evidence that Romney knows anything about foreign policy?" Well, he was briefly the governor of Massachusetts. And there are _municipalities_ in MA which have their own intricately detailed takes on foreign policy. The sanitary sewer oversight board in Cambridge probably has a policy paper on the West Bank and Gaza.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (noWW6)

142 Well, having Romney in his administration would surely put the kaboosh on 2020 shenanigans. I don't particularly care for Romney but if he is the SoS, he would be a sight better than Hills and Kerry.

Posted by: IC at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (a0IVu)

143 More important what the fuck is holding up Mattis for Sec of Def?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (hN38n)

144 129 "Petraeus is a gun control guy." Petraeus is a gun control guy like Anthony Weiner enjoys sexting. That is, Petraeus has signed on with the most extreme anti-gun-rights crap anyone could possibly imagine. To the level of endorsing the ratification of international treaties, binding on the USA, prohibiting private gun ownership except under the most impossibly restrictive terms. Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 06:53 PM (noWW6) If that's true then I agree, he ought to be dropped from consideration for any cabinet position.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (Xuv2G)

145 Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (UlJ8y) You're funny. Like a clown.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (3hIZX)

146 Petraeus is a gun control guy like Anthony Weiner enjoys sexting. That is, Petraeus has signed on with the most extreme anti-gun-rights crap anyone could possibly imagine. To the level of endorsing the ratification of international treaties, binding on the USA, prohibiting private gun ownership except under the most impossibly restrictive terms. In short, he is exactly the kind of person that the 2nd Amendment was put in place in the first place, sounds like. And to think that I once contemplated making a commemorative powderhorn and sending it to him...

Posted by: Grey Fox, now with added assault weaponry! at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (bZ7mE)

147 109 >>Trump won the election defeating decades of Globalist interests of which Romney was a card carrying member That is absolute horseshoe. These dumb labels are just that, dumb. Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 06:50 PM (/tuJf) Globalism is taught and has been taught in colleges in Poly ScI and Inetnational Relations departments for the last 2 decades as how we interact in the world. Interconnected and all..... Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 01:57 PM (Tegl7)

148 I'm pretty sure you can't put losing Iraq on Patreus. The man oversaw one of the bigger successes we had there (not saying he was the architect, but he didn't fuck up the Surge and the Anbar 'Awakening'). Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 06:53 PM (UHLlC) "he wasnt entirely responsible for losing a war against a country without an organized army" is hardly any better

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 01:58 PM (cJrMO)

149 Let Romney fix the VA...actually that is the perfect position for him Drudge has Palin moving that way.

Posted by: dartist at November 30, 2016 01:59 PM (ce4zT)

150 Trump should bring in Egg McMuffin for an interview, too.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2016 01:59 PM (3hIZX)

151 Stop fighting over stuff that hasn't even happened.I sentence you all to watch the Netflix series "Barry".

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2016 01:59 PM (r/0kC)

152 Let Romney fix the VA...actually that is the perfect position for him Drudge has Palin moving that way. Posted by: dartist at November 30, 2016 06:59 PM (ce4zT) Sigh. I don't see that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 01:59 PM (hN38n)

153 97 Seriously? Fuck this guy. If anyone has exhibited the traits of a con artist, it's Romney. Say anything to get what he wants. Fuck this guy and his magic underoos. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 06:47 PM (4ErVI) I'll be shocked if he doesn't fit right in at a Trump administration.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 02:00 PM (Xuv2G)

154 "Ex-Goldman Sachs, and only because the purist choice--the guy who works at the car wash-- wasn't available so Trump had to go with someone who knows something about the economy." The last Goldman Sachs guy picked by a Republican, who was highly touted as someone who "knows something about the economy", was Hank Paulson, appointed by George W. Bush. That worked out great, didn't it? Ruined the public reputation of the Republican Party for fiscal competence for years, and guaranteed an easy win in 2008 for Barack H. Obama. Paulson, meanwhile, bailed out his own failing firm with a tidal wave of public money, and he's a billionaire today.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 02:00 PM (noWW6)

155 Romney worked with the IOC and lived in France in addition to his international business contacts. He has a familiarity with the world outside of the USA which is a very important intangible for the SOS.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:00 PM (FOeaV)

156 My offering of new month names Manuary Repruary Harsh Rapril Splaypril Weigh Poon Tooly Hogust Reptember Rocktober Blowvember (or Brovember( Hecember Posted by: bob at November 30, 2016 06:46 PM (ixM4j) You have to leave room for Vajanuary.

Posted by: Stump-toothed Cousin Humpers at November 30, 2016 02:00 PM (rB/gm)

157 152 Stop fighting over stuff that hasn't even happened.I sentence you all to watch the Netflix series "Barry". Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2016 06:59 PM (r/0kC) Please tell me it is about Barry Goldwater.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 02:00 PM (92kX2)

158 I've been rehabilitated. Didn't take long. Good to be home.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2016 02:01 PM (yEAdf)

159 Petraeus is a gun control guy. If that's true then I agree, ---------------------------------- He signed on with the astronaut (Mike Kelly) husband of Gabrielle Giffords, the house member who was shot in the head at a campaign rally.

Posted by: Bry Tellmore at November 30, 2016 02:01 PM (79vDN)

160 159 I've been rehabilitated. Didn't take long. Good to be home. Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2016 07:01 PM (yEAdf) Who is that you're texting?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 02:01 PM (92kX2)

161 >>Globalism is taught and has been taught in colleges in Poly ScI and Inetnational Relations departments for the last 2 decades as how we interact in the world. Interconnected and all..... What the fact does that have to do with anything? Trump and Romney are the same age, are they both globalists? Romney ran on many of the exact same positions regarding loving America, growing American business, strong foreign affairs (which he has been proven to be right on over and over) and most importantly a very strong position on illegal which Trump originally called "crazy" before flip flopping and adopting as his own. Of the two, only Trump has offshored his personal business like clothes making overseas. Romney is no more a globalist than Trump. >>Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not. Not.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (/tuJf)

162 I'm pretty sure you can't put losing Iraq on Patreus. You can't put "losing Iraq" on anybody, because it didn't happen. The government we put there is still there.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (Xuv2G)

163 If I recall the "secret docs" Petraus gave his paramour/biographer was his notebook. The type of thing that someone would give to a person writing one's biography. Not saying its right, but the difference between what Petraus didn't get away with and what Clinton did get away with is striking.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (BS8yt)

164 Put losing Iraq up to Bush in bed with the bureaucrats. The burrowcrats lost Iraq. After the military victory responsibility of pacifying Iraq should have been left up to the military.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (4ugnK)

165 I've been rehabilitated. Didn't take long. Good to be home. Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2016 07:01 PM (yEAdf) Play a lot of pocket billiards while you were rehabing?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (hN38n)

166 This has likely been mentioned a hundred times already but the dinosaur media's use of Trump's "electoral victory" as opposed to simply "victory" is SO snarky and infantile.  In other words - Wednesday.

Posted by: MSTisdale at November 30, 2016 02:02 PM (g9d8D)

167 Sigh. I don't see that I don't know. Son-in-law Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor? Could be good.

Posted by: dartist at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (ce4zT)

168 144 More important what the fuck is holding up Mattis for Sec of Def? Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 06:57 PM (hN38n) A Congressional waiver. Mattis retired 3 years ago, and for that position the minimum is technically 7 years. Oddly enough, McCain is working on a bill.

Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (DofIg)

169 If that's true then I agree, he ought to be dropped from consideration for any cabinet position. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 06:57 PM (Xuv2G) It's true. He signed on with Gifford's hubby, Mark Kelly's anti-gun group. http://tinyurl.com/zutwhre on Brietbart. I am done with him. He is fit for nothing.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, who is now @SMcEvil on GAB at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (kXoT0)

170 Globalism is taught and has been taught in colleges in Poly ScI and Inetnational Relations departments for the last 2 decades as how we interact in the world. Interconnected and all..... Don't know if you were being sarcastic or not. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist **** He wasn't.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (hVdx9)

171 You can't put "losing Iraq" on anybody, because it didn't happen. The government we put there is still there. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 07:02 PM (Xuv2G) Success?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (cJrMO)

172 Off, stump tooth cousin humpin sock.

Posted by: Halfwise at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (rB/gm)

173 @Harry Organized armies we can beat pretty well. Insurgencies are tough nuts to crack. He did pretty well fighting in the unstructured mess of Iraq. His gun control positions and the cover he gave the current admin are bigger arguments against him for me. I'd prefer Mittens to Patraeus. But the ability to run large organizations isn't common. I wonder how good a job he did at CIA. I'd want to look at that more closely if I was vetting him.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (UHLlC)

174 159 I've been rehabilitated. Didn't take long. Good to be home. Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2016 07:01 PM (yEAdf) HQ rules, no pictures it didn't happen.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 02:03 PM (4ugnK)

175 165 Put losing Iraq up to Bush in bed with the bureaucrats. The burrowcrats lost Iraq. After the military victory responsibility of pacifying Iraq should have been left up to the military. Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 07:02 PM (4ugnK) Iraq wasn't lost when Bush left office.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:04 PM (FOeaV)

176 Organized armies we can beat pretty well. Insurgencies are tough nuts to crack. He did pretty well fighting in the unstructured mess of Iraq. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 07:03 PM (UHLlC) Don't have a great track record there, either. If you haven't noticed, we haven't really, um, won a war since WWII.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:04 PM (cJrMO)

177 The lead singer for Increasingly Unhinged Special Snowflakes promised he was going to moved to Canada if Trump won, and now he isn't.

Can you imagine that?

Posted by: Kim Jong Un and Only at November 30, 2016 02:04 PM (GdgAM)

178 Oddly enough, McCain is working on a bill. Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2016 07:03 PM (DofIg) Blind squirrel finding a nut or broken clock?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 02:05 PM (92kX2)

179 I realize that Kevin Williamson is persona non grata (persona au gratin?) around here, but today he has an excellent column up about Texas' new law requiring proper handling of human remains: My favorite paragraph: "The abortion ethic is based on a lie: that the procedure involves nothing more than the elimination of a meaningless clump of cells. That lie is bound up in a nest of lies of which it is one particularly poisonous constituent, all of which are aimed at denying the relationship between sex and procreation or at denying the deep and wide-ranging consequences of attempting to disrupt that relationship. And that larger tangle of lies is itself only a constituent of an even more sprawling mess of confusion and deceit holding that men and women are interchangeable social units, that motherhood and fatherhood are social fictions that were dreamt up rather than evolved, and that you, Sunshine, and your desires are the very center of this universe." And the final paragraph: "But our children are not garbage. Not the living ones, and not the dead, as resolute as their parents may be in treating them as though they were. Reality will not be denied. Not for very long. Not in Texas. Not anywhere." Link: http://tinyurl.com/Williamson-on-Texas-Corpse-Law

Posted by: Sharkman at November 30, 2016 02:05 PM (CS7jF)

180 133 Woolrich, the oldest maker of outdoor wear in America, just went European. Coincidence or clever planning for the future? How is Trump gonna stop thousands of other US companies from doing the same? Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (UlJ8y) ------ Maybe he could crib some ideas from Glorious Leader, or possibly from Her Awesome Vaginaness. What exactly were those ideas again?

Posted by: The guy with the hair at November 30, 2016 02:05 PM (hk1x8)

181 A Congressional waiver. Mattis retired 3 years ago, and for that position the minimum is technically 7 years. Oddly enough, McCain is working on a bill. Posted by: jwb7605 at November 30, 2016 07:03 PM (DofIg) Yeah I get that, but "we" control Congress and The Military is 100% on board so what's the hold up? I need another adrenaline rush

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:05 PM (hN38n)

182 Iraq wasn't lost when Bush left office. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 07:04 PM (FOeaV) well, it wasn't won either.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:05 PM (cJrMO)

183 Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (UlJ8y) The company that was headquartered in Clinton County, PA merged with its sister company in Europe, HQ'd in London. The CEO says they plan to expand the mill in PA and add jobs stateside.

Posted by: kallisto at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (jkmtt)

184 151 Trump should bring in Egg McMuffin for an interview, too. Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2016 06:59 PM (3hIZX) Yes for a breakfast meeting. He should serve various Egg Macmuffins for breakfast and eat one. Have pictured taken and post one on Twitter. Should have done the same thing with Romney the first meeting. Get a photo op of him eating a saugage or bacon egg and cheese Macmuffin while meeting with Romney and post it on Twitter. Fuck Romney. Why is Dana Rohrabacher not the SOS pick? Or in the top picks?

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (Tegl7)

185 175 159 I've been rehabilitated. Didn't take long. Good to be home. Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2016 07:01 PM (yEAdf) HQ rules, no pictures it didn't happen. Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 07:03 PM (4ugnK) He's kidding, Tony. We don't really want to see pictures.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (sdi6R)

186 A Congressional waiver. Mattis retired 3 years ago, and for that position the minimum is technically 7 years. Why bother with a law/rule if you can simply waiver around it?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (IqV8l)

187 >>well, it wasn't won either. Yea, it actually was.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (/tuJf)

188 Iraq wasn't lost when Bush left office. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 07:04 PM (FOeaV) Iraq was a crap sandwich when Bush left office. If he had put the military in charge it would have been the jewel of the ME when he left office.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (4ugnK)

189 He signed on with the astronaut (Mike Kelly) husband of Gabrielle Giffords, the house member who was shot in the head at a campaign rally. Posted by: Bry Tellmore

 - - - - - -

Ah yes, drooling Gabby.  What happened to her and her dufus hubby?   Funny how the libs will kick to the curb even a sadly disabled half-wit once she's served her purpose.  (This is not an insensitive post.  Rep. Giffords was a shit-for-brains BEFORE she was shot.  That's the one I'm referring to here.)

Posted by: MSTisdale at November 30, 2016 02:06 PM (g9d8D)

190 I'd rather see Rhonda Rousey as SOS, she will just put the pussiest she is negotiating with in an arm bar until they agree.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 30, 2016 02:07 PM (6Ll1u)

191 188 >>well, it wasn't won either. Yea, it actually was. Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 07:06 PM (/tuJf) I think we have very different definitions of "winning."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:07 PM (cJrMO)

192 "If I recall the 'secret docs' Petraus gave his paramour/biographer was his notebook. The type of thing that someone would give to a person writing one's biography." Actually, what the two of them were doing was leaving one another adulterous love letters in the "Drafts" folder of Petraeus's official government e-mail account, to which he'd given her the password. When PFC Snuffy does that, he ends up in the stockade and his career is ended abruptly, painfully, and permanently.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 02:07 PM (noWW6)

193 Why bother with a law/rule if you can simply waiver around it? Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 07:06 PM (IqV8l) What's your problem bub?

Posted by: George Marshall at November 30, 2016 02:07 PM (hN38n)

194 172 You can't put "losing Iraq" on anybody, because it didn't happen. The government we put there is still there. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 07:02 PM (Xuv2G) Success? Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 07:03 PM (cJrMO) How would you define success if that wasn't it? Saddam Hussein and the Baathists are gone, Iraq has a democracy that isn't hostile to the US. They don't always do what we'd like, but if they did it would be more of a puppet government than an actual democracy. Personally I'm not a fan of nation building, but I'm also not a fan of defining "winning" such that it can never actually be achieved.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 02:08 PM (Xuv2G)

195 I'm in the minority in that I like Romney. I think he is basically a decent guy. Sure he was a jerk in the election, but I kind of expect that from politicians. Posted by: Seldom at November 30, 2016 06:39 PM (o9Let) fnord (o9Let) Oh my GOD. This was the jerkest election in the history of jerkness. People have been *shot* in less angry and contentious elections. If this is your standard, time to get a robe and head for a mountaintop.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at November 30, 2016 02:08 PM (wB8Tg)

196 >>I think we have very different definitions of "winning." Apparently. I call defeating the enemy, controlling the country while stamping out small pockets of resistance while a new government is formed and free and fair elections are held while business and normal life have returned pretty damn successful. Obama tossed it all away.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:08 PM (/tuJf)

197 As a former CEO Hank Paulson was part of the Inner Inner Party at Goldman. Once in that circle, you're never out. Bannon and Mnuchin weren't. Bannon is a professed apostate as to Wall Street. John Thain was part of the Inner Inner Party at Goldman before he became CEO of Merrill Lynch. I have theory that Thain pushed over the dominoes that became the mortgage collapse accidentally on purpose while at Merrill by selling a big portfolio of MBS which forced other banks to write down the value of their holdings even if they planned to hold them, and that Goldman profited from this from 2007 to 2008, until the wold came to Goldman's door, whereupon Goldman got a bailout on terms not given to Bear Stearns or Lehman.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 30, 2016 02:09 PM (SIY7D)

198

 

"I've Been Impressed by What I've Seen"

 

 

 

That comes off as condescending to me.Thats a statement that Trump should be making about Romney not the other way around.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 30, 2016 02:09 PM (lKyWE)

199 133 Woolrich, the oldest maker of outdoor wear in America, just went European. Coincidence or clever planning for the future? How is Trump gonna stop thousands of other US companies from doing the same? Posted by: Bill Wynn at November 30, 2016 06:54 PM (UlJ8y) I think he's going to start by winning the election on November 8. That would be step 1.

Posted by: Halfwise at November 30, 2016 02:09 PM (rB/gm)

200 If Romney does not apologize he looks weak. If Romney does apologize he looks weak. Simpatico.

Posted by: !Deplorable Lives Matter! at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (oBuXO)

201 Why is getting an apology from Romney such a big deal? If there's that much water under the bridge they should go their separate ways. I'm missing something.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (nIGPZ)

202 Ace has been en fuego today.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (q6C1L)

203 Apparently. I call defeating the enemy, controlling the country while stamping out small pockets of resistance while a new government is formed and free and fair elections are held while business and normal life have returned pretty damn successful. Obama tossed it all away. Posted by: JackStraw **** I believe we agree in that whatever we had achieved in Iraq, Obama sharted it away, but with less forethought than a shart.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (hVdx9)

204 How would you define success if that wasn't it? Saddam Hussein and the Baathists are gone, Iraq has a democracy that isn't hostile to the US. They don't always do what we'd like, but if they did it would be more of a puppet government than an actual democracy. Personally I'm not a fan of nation building, but I'm also not a fan of defining "winning" such that it can never actually be achieved. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 07:08 PM (Xuv2G) Iraq doesn't even have a country. We "pacified" Baghdad, replaced a Sunni dictator with a Shia kleptocratic government who answers to Shia Iran. The Sunni parts of the country are openly in revolt as we speak (or quietly allowing ISIS to march in) and the country, despite being pumped with billions of USDs and having ungodly amounts of oil, is as poor and shitty as ever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (cJrMO)

205 By the way Mnunchin's wife is smoking hot.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:10 PM (FOeaV)

206 When PFC Snuffy does that, he ends up in the stockade and his career is ended abruptly, painfully, and permanently. When Hillary does that she runs for POTUS!

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (+/zXg)

207 You can't put "losing Iraq" on anybody, because it didn't happen. The government we put there is still there. By Middle East standards it is a resounding success. Like being the straightest man at a Ricky Martin concert.

Posted by: wooga at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (4dhU8)

208 Will Trump take Romney's plain contradiction of his past claims as a de facto apology, or is going to insist on the "I apologize" formulation?

If that's what he wants, he'll be disappointed.  Romney doesn't need the job that badly.  He may offer an "I was wrong"  or "I've been very pleasantly surprised"formulation, but lots of people have already said that without losing dignity.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (LAe3v)

209 Would you sell your soul for power and control?

Posted by: steve walsh at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (fFfzk)

210 I've called Romney a cunt of the first order, but if he begs forgiveness enough he could make an interesting choice. Get out those Gucci knee pads, Mitt!

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (SIY7D)

211 19 Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run? Keep this traitor out of SOS. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist I think calling Romney a traitor is a bit overboard considering Hillary sold out the country on uranium to the Russians. Does what he did rise to that level? Even close?

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 30, 2016 02:11 PM (iWW0H)

212 FTSB - Democrats to Provide Lawyers to Defend "Faithless Electors" Violating State Law By Casting Votes Out of Alignment With State Vote Tally Electors are the last bastion against some weird potential tyranny so they have the faithless power. Conversely, they can't expect not to be murdered should they use it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:12 PM (CCjuM)

213 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 07:10 PM (cJrM So you're talking about what progressed as a result of Obama's policies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:12 PM (FOeaV)

214 Watching Lou Dobbs while I wait for Hockey to start up... Congressman Jim Jordan (R) - His hair doesn't look half as serious as he does.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2016 02:12 PM (MQZBa)

215 >>>Like being the straightest man at a Ricky Martin concert. Which means you are still gay.

Posted by: wooga at November 30, 2016 02:12 PM (4dhU8)

216 I've called Romney a cunt of the first order, but if he begs forgiveness enough he could make an interesting choice. Get out those Gucci knee pads, Mitt! Posted by: Ignoramus **** Then he

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 02:12 PM (hVdx9)

217  If there's that much water under the bridge they should go their separate ways. I'm missing something. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

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We are talking about Trump aren't we......?

Posted by: Titicutt's Folly at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (g9d8D)

218 Romney needs to pay a steep fucking price for bringing out Egg McMuffin as a spoiler. The Mormon wing of the GOPe would never have pulled that stunt without Mitt's go ahead. Might not have been his idea, but he definitely authorized it. Treason has a cost, Romney.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (YZchG)

219 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (hN38n)

220 Would you sell your soul for power and control? Hillary recently learned that there's a "no refund" clause

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (8ZskC)

221 So you're talking about what progressed as a result of Obama's policies. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 07:12 PM (FOeaV) blame whoever you want, I'm saying Iraq is now in the same or worse condition then when we first invaded, but we're billions poorer and lost thousands of lives. Over jackshit.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (cJrMO)

222 Michael Savage suggests Trump made a deal with RNC to get them back on board with his campaign back when they were having issues, so Priebus and his gang are making some picks. 

Romney has no special abilities for SoS, Rohrabacker has experience.  But hard to say what deals have been made, are being made.  Someone with a history of opposing any amnesty would be helpful.

Romney might be able to finally make Romneycare work if we gave him a chance ... at the VA.  That's a place where government is already supposed to be funding the care.  Let Mitt prove his acumen there.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (pS/eA)

223 I've called Romney a cunt of the first order, but if he begs forgiveness enough he could make an interesting choice. Get out those Gucci knee pads, Mitt! Posted by: Ignoramus **** Then he'd be a c*nt of the second order, but still a c*nt.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (hVdx9)

224 Big fan of the Big Mac. Hat tip to Jim Delligatti.

Posted by: Golfman at November 30, 2016 02:13 PM (48QDY)

225 Treason has a cost, Romney. Treason?

Posted by: eleven at November 30, 2016 02:14 PM (qUNWi)

226 Did the demand for an apology from Romney come from Trump or staff, or was it made up by the media. I can see Trump meeting with Romney (that is what politicians do, that is what politics is all about) to get some ideas, get some names, not necessarily to offer him a job in the administration. Could be a lot of reasons why the two would meet. Romney could be offering up names of people he (Romney) would like to see in a Trump administration, who would then owe a favor to Romney for the opportunity.

Posted by: Bry Tellmore at November 30, 2016 02:14 PM (79vDN)

227 I need another adrenaline rush Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 07:05 PM (hN38n) Congress wants oversight, and they are rapidly being bypassed by Trump, so any time they can stick their dicks in an administration process they are going to. Congress will be your new Fredo soon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 02:14 PM (42Mgr)

228 191 I'd rather see Rhonda Rousey as SOS, she will just put the pussiest she is negotiating with in an arm bar until they agree. Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 30, 2016 07:07 PM (6Ll1u) She has a weak chin. She's a glass jaw.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:14 PM (Tegl7)

229 Ah...an open thread. Let's talk about the chances of non-citizens voting in our national elections. below is a story from Baltimore. Can anyone spot the hidden issue? http://tinyurl.com/h3dssc2

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice [/i] [/s] [/b] at November 30, 2016 02:14 PM (J+eG2)

230 Title of the vid sez "I've been impressed..."
 
So, Mr. Romney, are you claiming that Trump has sold you into slavery? Becuz that is one of the meanings of the word impressed.
 
NYT headline -- Trump re-institutes slavery for the first time in 150 years.

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (oZEJt)

231 Congress will be your new Fredo soon. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 07:14 PM (42Mgr) Sigh. Yeah I hear ya And fuck is it hot down here in Portsmouth.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (hN38n)

232 >>I believe we agree in that whatever we had achieved in Iraq, Obama sharted it away, but with less forethought than a shart. I sometimes wonder if people actually look at what's going on or just go with the conventional wisdom. It's beyond absurd to say we hadn't won in Iraq and equally absurd to not see the chaos that has followed is all on Obama. Germany is a model we could have followed in Iraq for the Middle East. I think Obama knowingly threw it away because he didn't want us to be successful there.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (/tuJf)

233 Romney could be offering up names of people he (Romney) would like to see in a Trump administration, who would then owe a favor to Romney for the opportunity. How is it that I understand each word but this sentence makes no sense?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (8ZskC)

234 210 Would you sell your soul for power and control? Posted by: steve walsh at November 30, 2016 07:11 PM (fFfzk) +++ No way. About that money and anonymity...

Posted by: washrivergal at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (CFc5L)

235 A Congressional waiver. Mattis retired 3 years ago, and for that position the minimum is technically 7 years. Phone and a pen my friend. Make their heads explode.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Teleprompter at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (LNoBv)

236 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 07:13 PM (cJrMO) How old were you in 2001? And 1993?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:15 PM (FOeaV)

237 We "pacified" Baghdad, replaced a Sunni dictator with a Shia kleptocratic government who answers to Shia Iran. The Sunni parts of the country are openly in revolt as we speak (or quietly allowing ISIS to march in) and the country, despite being pumped with billions of USDs and having ungodly amounts of oil, is as poor and shitty as ever. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 07:10 PM (cJrMO) The government's in no actual danger of falling, and they'll retake the ISIS held areas within a year or so. Maybe sooner. Yeah, Iraq isn't perfect. Perfect was never the goal, though.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 02:16 PM (Xuv2G)

238 Then he'd be a c*nt of the second order, but still a c*nt. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 07:13 PM (hVdx9) So, the derivative of a first-order cvnt is a second-order cvnt? Or is the integral of a first-order cvnt a second-order cvnt? I hate math!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 02:16 PM (42Mgr)

239 206 By the way Mnunchin's wife is smoking hot. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Reasonably attractive, maybe.  Smoking, hardly.  I'm not into social x-rays.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 02:16 PM (LAe3v)

240 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 30, 2016 07:14 PM (J+eG2) He's been receiving voter cards for 16 years? Interesting...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (cJrMO)

241 "Mnuchin's" You mis-spelled "Munchkin" /asshole pedant off

Posted by: Sharkman at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (CS7jF)

242 So, the derivative of a first-order cvnt is a second-order cvnt? Or is the integral of a first-order cvnt a second-order cvnt? I hate math! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 07:16 PM (42Mgr) I'm calling in Venn diagrams.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (8ZskC)

243 If this is your standard, time to get a robe and head for a mountaintop. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith

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It isn't Seldom's standard as much as it is the "standard" set by Trump himself.  He likely sees Romney's comments as nothing more than what he (Trump) himself would level against Mittens.

Posted by: Titicutt's Folly at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (g9d8D)

244 Iraq was not ready for self-government. Certainly not with Iran on their border.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (CCjuM)

245 I love a good fight about Iraq but fuck I got at at 2 AM today to drive down here and I just ain't up to it. So how about them Knicks?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (hN38n)

246 How old were you in 2001? And 1993? Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 07:15 PM (FOeaV) ::shifty eyes::

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2016 02:17 PM (cJrMO)

247 I don't know if any of you listen to the John Batchelor podcasts, they are usually pretty good. Last night he had Larry Kudlow on, and some other economist who was explaining how Obamacare's medicare provision was projected to be $42B over budget but instead was $68B over budget. Larry was howling with laughter because it all came from Jonathan Gruber. I was dying.

Posted by: navybrat at November 30, 2016 02:18 PM (w7KSn)

248 246 Iraq was not ready for self-government.

Neither were we.  I'm still kind of glad we made the effort.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (LAe3v)

249 Romney could be offering up names of people he (Romney) would like to see in a Trump administration, who would then owe a favor to Romney for the opportunity. How is it that I understand each word but this sentence makes no sense? Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 07:15 PM (8ZskC) Politics logrolling scratch my back and I'll scratch yours deals made, promises made, favors owed.

Posted by: Bry Tellmore at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (79vDN)

250 Iraq was a crap sandwich when Bush left office. If he had put the military in charge it would have been the jewel of the ME when he left office. Posted by: gNewt Is "jewel" of the ME sort of like the tallest midget?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (IqV8l)

251 @Harry Well we haven't declared a war since WW 2, either. But stand up fights against conventional troops? Haven't lost many of those fights. The Thunder Run was damn fine work. Shocked the shit out of the world's professionals.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (UHLlC)

252 212 19 Can anybody name one thing on the international stage that Romney has accomplished or been involved with the past 5 years. What about 8 years? Since he ran for his failed presidential run? Keep this traitor out of SOS. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist I think calling Romney a traitor is a bit overboard considering Hillary sold out the country on uranium to the Russians. Does what he did rise to that level? Even close? Posted by: Dirks Strewn at November 30, 2016 07:11 PM (iWW0H) He tried to get Hillary elected. He has moved against American interests the entire election. Oh and he tried to get Hillary elected. Traitor to the American People and a Traitor for supporting Hillary.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (Tegl7)

253 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 07:16 PM (42Mgr) An integral right? Add one to the exponent and blah blah blah.... I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Teleprompter at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (LNoBv)

254 Mnuchin's "domestic partner." http://tinyurl.com/z7zj3br NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 02:19 PM (42Mgr)

255 By the way Mnunchin's wife is smoking hot. Really? A billionaire? Who woulda thought?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 30, 2016 02:20 PM (3hIZX)

256 "Those dumb labels are just that, dumb." Actually dumb is sticking your head in the want and not recognizing what has been going on since before either of us was born. League of nations? An effort to bring in a one world govt. United Nations? The same. GHWB and the rest of his CFR cronies? The same. That's just crazy talk? Barry Goldwater and Joe McCarthy would like to have a word with you. You don't like the word globalist? Fine. Try uniparty.

Posted by: teej at November 30, 2016 02:20 PM (JEx0Z)

257 Sorry, his fiancée is hot.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:20 PM (FOeaV)

258 225 Big fan of the Big Mac. Hat tip to Jim Delligatti. Posted by: Golfman at November 30, 2016 07:13 PM (48QDY) Yes, this. RIP, sir.

Posted by: rickl - THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU at November 30, 2016 02:20 PM (sdi6R)

259 ..."It's beyond absurd to say we hadn't won in Iraq and equally absurd to not see the chaos that has followed is all on Obama. Germany is a model we could have followed in Iraq for the Middle East. I think Obama knowingly threw it away because he didn't want us to be successful there. Posted by: JackStraw " Word. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 02:21 PM (UHLlC)

260 >>Traitor to the American People and a Traitor for supporting Hillary. Can you name me all the things Romney did once Trump won the nomination? And don't bring up the dork from Utah because he had nothing to do with him.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:21 PM (/tuJf)

261 By the way Mnunchin's wife is smoking hot. Really? A billionaire? Who woulda thought? ============================= a billion dollars doesn't buy what it used to

Posted by: Bry Tellmore at November 30, 2016 02:22 PM (79vDN)

262 Neither were we. Ha ha, no. All the colonies already had their own legislative bodies.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:22 PM (0F67M)

263 "I've Been Impressed by What I've Seen" That comes off as condescending to me.Thats a statement that Trump should be making about Romney not the other way around. Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at November 30, 2016 07:09 PM (lKyWE)

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 02:22 PM (4ugnK)

264 Surprised myself with dad's old model 94 Winchester 30-30 today. Took it along when accompanying a friend up to his hunting ranch out on the eastern plains, in the valley of the North Platte. He was there to sight in his scoped 30-06 in prep for day one of deer season. I had seven rounds that were probably new 30 years ago. Shot first round at 50 yards, 1/2" from center. Shot all remaining from 100 yards, got two in the ten ring, the rest within 3.5". The old gun can still shoot. It's rutting season, and a young buck scampered through the brush right behind the bank into which we were shooting. Pretty sight.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 30, 2016 02:22 PM (U6f54)

265 Trump has kicked ass with a lot of picks. Sessions, DeVos and Price specifically. If he picks Mittens it will suck, but I'd be willing to forgive that sins for all the others.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (1JAxC)

266 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy. An errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

Posted by: zombie colonel kurtz at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (JF8tR)

267 "I love a good fight about Iraq but fuck I got at at 2 AM today to drive down here and I just ain't up to it. So how about them Knicks?" When you get to the Bier Garden, ask them if a former regular who recently moved to South Carolina stopped in Saturday night in his Jaguar convertible. Maybe even got slightly over served with another regular named Mike. And that's how close you got to running into the original Village Idiot, who I apprenticed under.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice [/i] [/s] [/b] at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (J+eG2)

268 "The Thunder Run was damn fine work. Shocked the shit out of the world's professionals." Unfortunately, "Shock And Awe" produced anything but. It was meant to convey the message to Iraqis that the USA had awesome firepower but meant to use it in limited, controlled ways for the sake of mercy and humanity. In Muslim Arab cultures, what that instead means is: these people aren't actually very tough despite their awesome firepower. When Muslim Arabs themselves have awesome firepower advantages, they promptly kill all their opponents within reach. They think anyone who wouldn't do this is stupid and weak. They drew conclusions about Americans accordingly.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (noWW6)

269 Names In Running For VA Sec- Scott Brown, Pete Hegseth And Sarah Palin Weasel Zippers I like Hegseth a lot

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (hN38n)

270 Here's the thing, tho: Romney ain't worth this much trouble.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 02:23 PM (LWYzG)

271 VIA: I can see a lot of tolerant, immigrant-loving leftists rage-crying a complaint to pay back the Trump voter. Nice of the paper to point this out to the vindictive mobs. In addition, Motor-Voter is D supported fraud, straight-up, in the end anyways.

Posted by: dIb at November 30, 2016 02:24 PM (VJOLZ)

272 Ah...an open thread. Let's talk about the chances of non-citizens voting in our national elections. below is a story from Baltimore. Can anyone spot the hidden issue? http://tinyurl.com/h3dssc2 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 30, The magic over motor voter..

Posted by: The guy with the hair at November 30, 2016 02:24 PM (hk1x8)

273 Is "jewel" of the ME sort of like the tallest midget? Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 07:19 PM (IqV8l) Defined as: "The person in any Arab crowd not currently butt-fucking a sheep or other pastoral ruminant, or being butt-fucked by his father". It's a low bar.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 30, 2016 02:24 PM (CS7jF)

274 264 Neither were we.
Ha ha, no. All the colonies already had their own legislative bodies. Posted by: Grump928(C)


Yes, and we had some pretty hard times, including the Whiskey Rebellion and the failure of the Articles of Confederation.  Also, there was the Hamilton/Burr unpleasantness.


Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 02:24 PM (LAe3v)

275 When you get to the Bier Garden, ask them if a former regular who recently moved to South Carolina stopped in Saturday night in his Jaguar convertible. Maybe even got slightly over served with another regular named Mike. And that's how close you got to running into the original Village Idiot, who I apprenticed under. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 30, 2016 07:23 PM (J+eG2) LOL. Will do. Maybe I will go there to dinner tomorrow.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2016 02:25 PM (hN38n)

276 "Surprised myself with dad's old model 94 Winchester 30-30 today. Took it along when accompanying a friend up to his hunting ranch out on the eastern plains, in the valley of the North Platte." I have my fathers, from around 1952 down in the safe. I remember shooting it as a kid, but I bet it hasn't been shot in 40 years.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice [/i] [/s] [/b] at November 30, 2016 02:25 PM (J+eG2)

277 "Yeah, Iraq isn't perfect. Perfect was never the goal, though." Oh FFS. I said in 2003 that the long-term result would be that we'd embolden Iran and that Iraq would break up -- most likely into three pieces -- and that it would be a worse outcome than leaving Saddam (or his sons) in power. ISIS was over the horizon. SO was the destabilizing mass migration of refugees.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 30, 2016 02:25 PM (SIY7D)

278 re: hot fiance of Mnuchin....she's soooo contoversial cuz...well cuz RACIST!! "His fiancee, Scottish actress Louise Linton, was the target of criticism this year, after her controversial memoir about her time in Zambia was ridiculed for its cliched depictions of poverty and danger, and Linton's portrayal of herself there. After an except appeared in the Telegraph, criticism was so strong that the self-published book was withdrawn from Amazon, and the excerpt taken off the newspaper's website."

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (1JAxC)

279 Romney ain't worth this much trouble. Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 07:23 PM (LWYzG) This is a good point, which means something else is going on.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (42Mgr)

280 Yes, and we had some pretty hard times, including the Whiskey Rebellion and the failure of the Articles of Confederation. Also, there was the Hamilton/Burr unpleasantness. I can't imagine where you are going with this but by all means, keep digging.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (0F67M)

281 234 >>I believe we agree in that whatever we had achieved in Iraq, Obama sharted it away, but with less forethought than a shart. I sometimes wonder if people actually look at what's going on or just go with the conventional wisdom. It's beyond absurd to say we hadn't won in Iraq and equally absurd to not see the chaos that has followed is all on Obama. Germany is a model we could have followed in Iraq for the Middle East. I think Obama knowingly threw it away because he didn't want us to be successful there. Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 07:15 PM (/ What about the Japan Model? The psychologically destroyed their culture so it could be molded into a Western Style Democracy. Obama/Hillary/Soros fucked Iraq by setting the ME on fire and funding and arming ISIS and Muslim Brotherhood. They also missed a chance in Iran in 2009 (IICR) to back the people there who rose up and were begging us to support them in overthrowning the government and forming a Western Style Democracy in Teheran.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (Tegl7)

282 Is "jewel" of the ME sort of like the tallest midget? Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 30, 2016 07:19 PM (IqV8l) It's the politically correct way of saying when the earth gets an enema, it goes in there.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick's Rogue Teleprompter at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (LNoBv)

283 Anyone else notice the one person Trump hasn't reached out to is... John Kasich?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (LWYzG)

284 Mnuchin's "domestic partner." http://tinyurl.com/z7zj3br NSFW Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo **** No. Not smoking hot. Skinny is not attractive to me. Note: Skinny is not the same as fit or average in my book.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (hVdx9)

285 268 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy.

Yes, but one with many, many frequent flier miles.  I have it on good authority from Hillary that that is important.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 02:26 PM (LAe3v)

286 Posted by: pep at November 30, 2016 07:24 PM (LAe3v) Interesting bit of history to look up is The State Of Franklin. I think it's part of TN today.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:27 PM (FOeaV)

287 Well hell, the playoffs for the World Chess Championship were quite entertaining. Best game (they played 4) was #2 with a shock defensive brilliant ending. The last move of the match was probably the best last move of any world championship. All Hail King Carlsen

Posted by: ArthurK at November 30, 2016 02:27 PM (h53OH)

288 75 What's wrong with Patreus? The thing that brought him down was small potatoes compared to his skill set. ------------------------- Petraeus seems to believe that citizens shouldn't own guns. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2016 06:43 PM (8ZskC) ------------------------------- I don't like the smell of telling private citizens not to mock the Koran either.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 30, 2016 02:27 PM (Nox3c)

289 #262, no way. Romney had to have known and not put the kibosh on it.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at November 30, 2016 02:27 PM (YZchG)

290 Romney ain't worth this much trouble. Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 07:23 PM (LWYzG) This is a good point, which means something else is going on. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo Trump you magnificent bastard! You read Alinsky's book!

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (+/zXg)

291 I don't like the smell of telling private citizens not to mock the Koran either. Yeah, that bothered me a lot.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (0F67M)

292 Anyone else notice the one person Trump hasn't reached out to is... John Kasich? Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 07:26 PM (LWYzG) Ah, Kasich- always the bridesmaid (or postman) never the bride.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (92kX2)

293 News one up

Posted by: madamemayhem (goddess of brownies) at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (yTnCT)

294 @the littl shyning man Nice! A good lever action is a fine gun for hunting. I have a '94 myself, groups well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (UHLlC)

295 You can't blame Obama for the state of the ME today. They've been killing each other there for 1000+ years. Bush was naive in thinking he could tame the savages.

Posted by: #neverskankles at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (1JAxC)

296 How would you define success if that wasn't it? Saddam Hussein and the Baathists are gone, Iraq has a democracy that isn't hostile to the US. They don't always do what we'd like, but if they did it would be more of a puppet government than an actual democracy. Posted by: Ace's liver at November 30, 2016 07:08 PM (Xuv2G) I would call a puppet government a success.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 02:28 PM (zc3Db)

297 >>When Muslim Arabs themselves have awesome firepower advantages, they promptly kill all their opponents within reach. They think anyone who wouldn't do this is stupid and weak. They drew conclusions about Americans accordingly. You should read the article about Khalid Sheik Mohammed regarding their reaction to the attack on Afghanistan. In short, he completely disagrees with your assessment and goes so far as to say that his "ferocious" response was completely unexpected, they expected us to respond as we did when the Marine barracks where blown up and do nothing, and most importantly the response prevented them from launching further attacks. Don't expect this article to show up anywhere other than fake news sites. http://tinyurl.com/jo8s8zu

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:29 PM (/tuJf)

298 262 >>Traitor to the American People and a Traitor for supporting Hillary. Can you name me all the things Romney did once Trump won the nomination? And don't bring up the dork from Utah because he had nothing to do with him. Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 07:21 PM (/tuJf) He had everything to do with Romney. Romney was Never and Anti-Trump until Novemeber 9th. Also the lack of actions is just as bad.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:30 PM (Tegl7)

299 The Sec of State is really nothing more than a delivery boy. I thought, from what was described in an earlier thread, that's all they are supposed to be. Carrying out the president's wishes?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 30, 2016 02:30 PM (+/zXg)

300 He's a weasel.  I wonder how many times he had to rinse out his mouth to get the taste of Donald's dick out?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2016 02:31 PM (NbJXF)

301 >>>Like being the straightest man at a Ricky Martin concert. Which means you are still gay. Posted by: wooga at November 30, 2016 07:12 PM (4dhU That's funny because even the straightest guy at a Ricky Martin concert is still gay. And he's the straightest. Still gay. See?

Posted by: Ben Roethlisberger at November 30, 2016 02:31 PM (zc3Db)

302 Regarding no-shave month "Movember"


"Movember irritates me because it's not so much about cancer awareness as masculinity awareness...Movember says that we protect men by celebrating masculinity.  And that's ridiculous."

Well, given that many feminists would be happy if most men died horrible, painful deaths, this doesn't surprise me.  And because feminists are so utterly clueless about the real world, of course they wouldn't understand how demonizing the true male nature can be harmful to all men.  They may think they want pajama boys, but IMHO that's a cop-out because they can't deal with real men, and certainly doesn't lead to happiness. 


While I prefer the clean-shaven guy, far be it from me to tell any guy what he can and can't do.  And yeah, I celebrate masculinity.  As a real woman, how could I not?!

Since today is the last day of November, are there any 'rons who will be shaving tomorrow?

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the DSR at November 30, 2016 02:31 PM (tHwdc)

303 Oh FFS. I said in 2003 that the long-term result would be that we'd embolden Iran and that Iraq would break up -- most likely into three pieces -- and that it would be a worse outcome than leaving Saddam (or his sons) in power. ISIS was over the horizon. SO was the destabilizing mass migration of refugees. Posted by: Ignoramus Yeah, but the real tragedy is that it didn't HAVE to work out that way. Iraq needed to be a real investment in time and treasure to turn around. Maybe it wasn't worth it, dunno, I remember 2003 and there were good arguments for hitting one of the main state sponsors of terror. Iraq was the 'easiest' compared to Iran and South Korea. Barry threw away all our efforts there. Bush didn't, Patreus didn't. Lots to criticize about both of them, not that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 02:32 PM (UHLlC)

304 I had to shoot that pussy, Hamilton, after he gave me a public dressing-down after a play we'd gone to together.

Posted by: zombie aaron burr at November 30, 2016 02:32 PM (JF8tR)

305 302 He's a weasel. I wonder how many times he had to rinse out his mouth to get the taste of Donald's dick out? Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2016 07:31 PM (NbJXF) Man that's a change. I remember when you used to call Trump a weasel.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 02:33 PM (FOeaV)

306 Hey, folks, would ya'll like to know how to make your Democrat party look attractive to the youth movement of the twenty-first century? Appoint Nancy Pelosi as your party leader, because a desiccated whore with a penchant for bukkake will lead you to the promised land.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2016 02:33 PM (6uMKl)

307 285 Anyone else notice the one person Trump hasn't reached out to is... John Kasich? Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 07:26 PM (LWYzG) He sent him some Domino's Pizza coupons.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 02:34 PM (4ErVI)

308 Is "jewel" of the ME sort of like the tallest midget? No. Jewel is like a well financed, well oiled, machine operating under the rule of law with good schools and medical facilities administrated by the United States Armed Forces. It's like F Iran, Pak-n-all-the-stans, Syria and Turkey too.

Posted by: gNewt at November 30, 2016 02:34 PM (4ugnK)

309 Anyone else notice the one person Trump hasn't reached out to is... John Kasich? It got lost in the mail

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at November 30, 2016 02:34 PM (JF8tR)

310 If Mittens gets it, then I suspect Trump is already making deals with the Restablishment. He needs them to prevent the various Gang of 6, 7 and 8s from thwarting the agenda. I don't trust the GOPe but they have to be played with.

Posted by: Mega at November 30, 2016 02:35 PM (EdXI9)

311 >>>Anyone else notice the one person Trump hasn't reached out to is... >>>John Kasich? >>>Posted by: Soothsayer at November 30, 2016 07:26 PM (LWYzG) He sent him some Domino's Pizza coupons. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2016 07:34 PM (4ErVI) Screw that. Send him the bill.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 02:35 PM (zc3Db)

312 Remember that picture of San Fran Nan that Drudge put up yesterday, and a commenter said it looked like her "O" face riding a Sybian? Well, I'm sure she's riding that Sybian wild now. Ride 'em cowgirl.

     Now, I'm going to be sick.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at November 30, 2016 02:36 PM (DW+jj)

313 >>If Mittens gets it, then I suspect Trump is already making deals with the Restablishment. Better get used to it, Trump IS the establishment now. He is the de facto leader of the Party. He's no longer outside throwing rocks. What happens now is his, for better or worse.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:36 PM (/tuJf)

314 I think Romney is going to be the new RNC Chair, taking over for Preibus.

Posted by: Tracy Coyle at November 30, 2016 02:37 PM (tdyh1)

315 Think the leftover turkey is still safe? I'm thinking turkey enchiladas to use it all up... Posted by: Chi - #FreeCthulhu at November 30, 2016 06:34 PM Let us know how that goes. Seriously I ate some leftovers last night, just fine. I figure if it passes the smell test it's OK.

Posted by: Farmer at November 30, 2016 02:37 PM (o/90i)

316 Not sure when Winchester stopped putting the saddle ring on the lever-action 94, but Dad's gun sports one. I should say it sports one NOW, because Dad hacksawed it off right where the stud exits the case, first time he took it deer hunting. It clinked. I had the stud replaced and a new ring put on a few years ago.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 30, 2016 02:38 PM (U6f54)

317 While I prefer the clean-shaven guy, far be it from me to tell any guy what he can and can't do. And yeah, I celebrate masculinity. As a real woman, how could I not?! I don't celebrate it...just what exactly are you implying?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 30, 2016 02:38 PM (nIGPZ)

318 Interesting bit of history to look up is The State Of Franklin. I think it's part of TN today. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 07:27 PM (FOeaV) ----- Alright, alright, alright. Free State of Jones has pillaging and and whatnot

Posted by: The guy with the hair at November 30, 2016 02:38 PM (hk1x8)

319 OT the guy that works here just called me, he caught a sparrow hawk. I went outside and petted it. He's dr Doolittle.

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 02:38 PM (Q5Ymk)

320 Hey John Mohammed Brennan! STFU!

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 30, 2016 02:39 PM (U6f54)

321 I think Romney is going to be the new RNC Chair, taking over for Preibus. That's interesting. But I'd rather Ken Blackwell get the chance he was denied in 2009, if he's interested.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 02:41 PM (0F67M)

322 The only reasoning for this that I can think of is to place Mittens under a huge microscope in the eyes of the voters/public to use a leverage to make sure Mittens serves American Interests first and foremost. If he is picked ALL EYES will be on him and stepping out of line and going rogue would be punishable by a very public humiliating firing from SOS.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:41 PM (Tegl7)

323 321 Here's a pic. http://tinypic.com/r/2hgz7rl/9

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 30, 2016 02:42 PM (Q5Ymk)

324 Screw that. Send him the bill. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 07:35 PM (zc3Db) ---- He may be actually be the Bill. Bill Wynn Both incredibly obtuse Both eat recycled paste And I've never seen them together

Posted by: The guy with the hair at November 30, 2016 02:44 PM (hk1x8)

325 323 I think Romney is going to be the new RNC Chair, taking over for Preibus. That's interesting. But I'd rather Ken Blackwell get the chance he was denied in 2009, if he's interested. Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 30, 2016 07:41 PM (0F67M) I love his Worst-Dressed list. He's such a bitch!

Posted by: josephistan at November 30, 2016 02:46 PM (7qAYi)

326 I think Romney would always be pro American and not have some stupid idea that it is in Americas best interest to be like France.

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2016 02:47 PM (zcT9k)

327 If Trump is looking for a SOS with diplomatic skills, it ain't Romney. I get that some people didn't like or support Trump but if you are of the same party and a known figure, you DIPLOMATICALLY say "I can't support him but wish him well". You don't repeatedly go out of your way to personally attack him. That is a total lack of class and diplomacy.

Posted by: areswoman at November 30, 2016 02:47 PM (Rx2dv)

328 Shannon Bream is just so cute. I almost feel guilty about the dirty thoughts I'm having.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2016 02:47 PM (/tuJf)

329 Maybe it wasn't worth it, dunno, I remember 2003 and there were good arguments for hitting one of the main state sponsors of terror. Iraq was the 'easiest' compared to Iran and South Korea.

Barry threw away all our efforts there. Bush didn't, Patreus didn't. Lots to criticize about both of them, not that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 30, 2016 07:32 PM (UHLlC)


1. If you assume that we're ultimately going to have to kill tens of thousands of young men who are radicalized, it makes a lot more sense to kill them there than to let them kill us here and in Europe.


2. If you've read The Killer Angels, Longstreet argued for digging in at Gettysburg and letting the Army of the Potomac die trying to attack the Confederate defenses. Planting the flag in Iraq was a strategic version of the Longstreet strategy. By the end of the surge, we had won.


3. Having US allies and bases in Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kurdistan, cooperative relations with Russia, and a modicum of cooperation with Syria, the Bush Administration had encircled Iran. Sanctions were in place and the nuclear program was struggling. Valerie Jarrett and the JEF completely threw that advantage away.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 30, 2016 02:51 PM (jK8Z7)

330 I don't celebrate it...just what exactly are you implying?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 30, 2016 07:38 PM (nIGPZ)


Poor Bruce, just can't get down with the way God made you.

Posted by: Miley, Duchess of the DSR at November 30, 2016 02:51 PM (tHwdc)

331 316--- I think Romney is going to be the new RNC Chair, taking over for Preibus. Posted by: Tracy Coyle at November 30, 2016 07:37 PM (tdyh1) -------------------------------- Terrible choice. His political instincts are not good and he has no idea where to take the party.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 30, 2016 02:57 PM (Nox3c)

332 3. Having US allies and bases in Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kurdistan, cooperative relations with Russia, and a modicum of cooperation with Syria, the Bush Administration had encircled Iran. Sanctions were in place and the nuclear program was struggling. Valerie Jarrett and the JEF completely threw that advantage away. Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 30, 2016 07:51 PM (jK8Z7) They intentionally destroyed what was accomplished. Again why did we support every Arab Spring EXCEPT IRAN, and thus destabilizing the entire ME and North Africa? The opposite should have been done. Support Iran. And never allow Obama/Clinton/Soros to call for the Arab Spring and support them.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 02:57 PM (Tegl7)

333 I don't trust the GOPe but they have to be played with. Posted by: Mega at November 30, 2016 07:35 PM (EdXI9) Which is one of the reasons, besides previous experience, that Elaine Chao was picked as Labor Secretary. When McConnell starts to waiver, Trump will call Chao and tell her: "Elaine, I'm coming over to dinner tonight, so please let Mitch know. Attire for the male hosts is . . . ass-less chaps and a 'poet's shirt'".

Posted by: Sharkman at November 30, 2016 02:58 PM (CS7jF)

334 Again why did we support every Arab Spring EXCEPT IRAN, and thus destabilizing the entire ME and North Africa? Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 07:57 PM (Tegl7) Because Barky's main goals in the ME were: 1) Let Iran get nukes, and 2) Have pan-islamism take over the arab world. What do I win?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 03:00 PM (zc3Db)

335 Assless chaps are always thrilling.

Posted by: Hope's Rolo at November 30, 2016 03:04 PM (Tyii7)

336 336 Again why did we support every Arab Spring EXCEPT IRAN, and thus destabilizing the entire ME and North Africa? Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 07:57 PM (Tegl7) Because Barky's main goals in the ME were: 1) Let Iran get nukes, and 2) Have pan-islamism take over the arab world. What do I win? Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 08:00 PM (zc3Db) I'd call those Saudi/Muslim Brotherhood along with Soros/Val Jar/Clinton goals. Barky was just the face and along for the ride.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 03:05 PM (Tegl7)

337 I'd call those Saudi/Muslim Brotherhood along with Soros/Val Jar/Clinton goals. Barky was just the face and along for the ride. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 08:05 PM (Tegl7) I am in serious disagreement with that. Barky wasn't the face for anything. The stuff he cared about he took no counsel and no advice on. He did exactly what he wanted on those issues, everyone else be damned. Two of those issues included what I wrote above. For the stuff that Barky didn't give a shit about (which was a lot) he let others do whatever they wanted (so long as they didn't seriously break with his basic attitude), but he wasn't being run by Soros or anyone. Not at all.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 03:11 PM (zc3Db)

338 339 I'd call those Saudi/Muslim Brotherhood along with Soros/Val Jar/Clinton goals. Barky was just the face and along for the ride. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 08:05 PM (Tegl7) I am in serious disagreement with that. Barky wasn't the face for anything. The stuff he cared about he took no counsel and no advice on. He did exactly what he wanted on those issues, everyone else be damned. Two of those issues included what I wrote above. For the stuff that Barky didn't give a shit about (which was a lot) he let others do whatever they wanted (so long as they didn't seriously break with his basic attitude), but he wasn't being run by Soros or anyone. Not at all. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 08:11 PM ( Barky was the face for the Islamic movement in the ME and North Africa. None of it gets accomplished without his Muslims roots. The wars were all Clinton and Soros. I'm only going by what sites like Btietbart and The Conservative Tree House have reported via leaked emails and scources in the Administration. We will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 03:19 PM (Tegl7)

339 Barky was the face for the Islamic movement in the ME and North Africa. None of it gets accomplished without his Muslims roots. Posted by: Pepe, Proud American Nationalist at November 30, 2016 08:19 PM (Tegl7) That's not what being "the face" for something - rather than being the power behind the actions - means. Of course it was Barky's deep muslim roots that played into his attitude. That is not a question. But he was not acting on others' orders. He was doing what he wanted to do. He wasn't "the face". He was the power behind the policy, and it was his policy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 30, 2016 03:23 PM (zc3Db)

340 Mance Rayder kneels to no man. Well then, whose up for a weenie roast?

Posted by: Charley Horse at November 30, 2016 03:25 PM (+kahX)

341 There goes the small hands theory.

Posted by: exhelodrvr at November 30, 2016 03:30 PM (jo8t2)

342 I don't get the upside here. Mitt sucks, in general. There are plenty of other people he could pick that would be throwing a bone to the establishment, and Mitt is an old white rich guy that relates to no one, so he doesn't expand the party(as Haley does, whether or not you like identity politics). So what is the upside here? Mitt sucks.

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at November 30, 2016 03:33 PM (ABWXA)

343 John Bolton: "The Secretariat building in New York has 38 stories. If it lost ten stories, it wouldn't make a bit of difference." Romney could do the diplomacy. But Bolton could do the diplomacy and not get captured by the PermaBlob at State.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at November 30, 2016 04:15 PM (Ndje9)

344 How about a simple "Boy, oh boy was I wrong about this guy!"

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at November 30, 2016 04:19 PM (VnNi7)

345 34 I don't want Romney as SOS because I don't want Trump to lose any of his supporters over a cabinet pick. I think he would do an exceptional job but it ain't worth losing the Trump momentum.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at November 30, 2016 06:36 PM (FOeaV)



I think this is a mis-reading of Trump's victory. The one professor with the reliable model for predicting the winner of presidential elections, who was insisting way ahead of anyone sane that Trump would definitely win, uses a model that is candidate agnostic. His model is just a short list of true/false questions on things like economic indicators, which party is in power, which party won the preceding mid-terms, things like that. By his model (and there's plenty of proxy evidence to give credence to it, like the Republican sweep in 2014, the solid and frequently superior performance of RINO/GOPe/squish candidates in regions Trump won in both the primaries and the general, the fact that Trump didn't improve on Romney's popular vote numbers, even if he did disproportionately improve in the rust belt swing states). Look through the electoral maps for past presidential elections and you can see it's pretty rare for any party in this country to hold the presidency for more than 2 terms and almost never for more than 3 (the 3 exceptions to the latter all correlate with very significant historical events: the initial founding era of the country, the Civil War, and WWII). The only surprising thing about Trump's wave is that he ultimately got treated by the electorate like a normal presidential candidate (at least, when contrasted with HRC), and so the conventional pendulum swing pattern of the executive branch still applied. And polling was showing from at least around the time he got the primary nomination that, statistically speaking, at least Republican voters were treating him like any other candidate Romney had the highest percentage of Republican voter support in polling, but Trump was second and the gap between them was statistically insignificant).


I was pretty wrong about Trump's viability in a general election (though I did think he'd win a few more states than Romney had, and I knew of plenty of other countries that were prone to voting for Trump-like leaders including borderline first-world places like Italy). But I was also pretty fucking dead on before anyone else about the supposed leftist shift in this country's politics during the Obama era being entirely smoke and mirrors. Anyone can look at history and see that pattern of back and forth between right and left parties in democratic countries (even Sweden has this). There's no reading any precision into when exactly such a shift will break in the other direction, but the mechanisms driving it are fairly obvious: a party spending 8-12 years as the focal point of power creates a lot of negative press for that party and perception of responsibility for inevitable bad news, millions of older voters die off between such periods of time while millions of young ones come of age in the media environment of that era or mature to a portion of their lives (entering old or middle age, entering into marriage and family life, entering entrepreneurship or home ownership, or getting to financially stable points in their careers) where they're naturally more disposed to conservatism. We probably see the effect of this more dramatically in a country where people are strongly shoe-horned into one of two parties, but it's an obvious outcome of democratic politics over time when you consider people's lives over long periods of time. Obviously there are big regional bases that our more steady, but those more dynamic elements of the population are what drive the actual shifts. People who argued for Trump on the grounds that he represented the last chance to save America from a permanently leftist electorate were as wrong about the electorate as those of us who expected him to face too much bipartisan rejection to win a general election.


Nixon and Reagan had the most impressive electoral college victories in history (worth noting that their popular vote victories look far less impressive than their electoral maps, and this is even more true for Trump, who won swing states in numbers small enough to fit into large stadiums together). Yet Republicans winning the South ultimately cost them most of what had been reliable Republican states since Lincoln. These coalitions are very impermanent (Nate Silver kept reminding people who were talking about the Democrats' "Blue Wall" in the electoral college that Trump would have to face, that such walls don't exist, and that there was a perceived impenetrable Republican electoral college wall not that long ago until Bill Clinton completely smashed it), and entered into on countless different pretenses, frequently fickle and frequently entirely inconceivable outside of the mind of the particular voter in question.


If Obama's full coalition from either 2008 or 2012 had just showed up to vote for Hillary in 2016, they had the numbers to beat Trump this year in the electoral college and none of Trump's alleged "great instincts" or the FBI's timely releases of politically volatile information could do a damn thing about it. Effectively, "Trump-mentum" was just holding the Romney coalition together despite the Right's Lena Dunham being at the top of the Republican ticket. Sure, a Republican winning Pennsylvania and Minnesota is a big deal after the last few presidential elections, but not out of the ordinary in the historical context of electoral college shifts, following a 2014 Republican mid-term sweep that Trump had nothing to do with. Not saying an electorally important or even critical Trump-ist coalition doesn't exist, but there's more evidence for this being a historically typical Republican swing year, with the only novelty being a breakdown of preconceptions of what's electable in an executive level candidate (And we still don't have any reason to believe the Trump exemption from the conventional wisdom applies to a non-celebrity candidate, California and Minnesota returned to business as usual after Schwarzenegger and Ventura won them in opposition party dominated states. Or to believe that the noisy "Trump or I leave the party" crowd is any more electorally significant than NeverTrump, and that larger number among his primary voters wouldn't have fallen in line as easily as most of the anti-Trump holdouts eventually did if the RNC had replaced him with a more anodyne candidate).


Republicans jumped to a lot of conclusions about how the country was changing after Obama's 2012 victory that have clearly been shown to be premature, paranoid fantasies in 2016, un-mored from the reality of the electorate and their (very often non-ideological) reasons for supporting Obama. With so many factors at play in 2016 (Scalia's death, Trump's running against a candidate with an unusually widespread and negative image among the Republican leaning electorate, the capitalization on over 2 decades of near constant oppo news on the Clinton's piped directly to anyone in loose engagement with conservative social and media spheres, the energization of the partisan electorate that comes with having the opposition party in power for more than half a decade and the corresponding dampened energy of the opposition, Trump's not having a public sector record to judge him by, the serendipity of the break out developments of Hillary's most mass media digestible scandal -- you don't even have to understand specifics, you can just understand that she was being investigated by the FBI and be up to speed enough to swing an undecided low info voter -- coinciding the contest between her and Trump and with her highest ever media profile due to that contest, Hillary's criminal scandals dominating news about her alongside Trump's social faux pas scandals dominating news about him even though scouring biographical information on Trump can find you a wealth of criminal scandal largely ignored in 2016, and once again voter momentum towards Republicans well preceding Trump's entering into the Republican primaries, etc., etc., etc.), it seems to me like attributing very much to forces linked specifically to Trump and Trump alone at this point in time seems like a great way to find yourself in 4-12 years where Democrats are right now.

Posted by: reform highlander at November 30, 2016 08:27 PM (xf3KI)

346 344 I don't get the upside here. Mitt sucks, in general. There are plenty of other people he could pick that would be throwing a bone to the establishment, and Mitt is an old white rich guy that relates to no one, so he doesn't expand the party(as Haley does, whether or not you like identity politics).

So what is the upside here? Mitt sucks.

Posted by: Biscuits Mahoney at November 30, 2016 08:33 PM (ABWXA)


This thinking seems to be rooted in the notion that the upside from Trump's POV is the same as it would be for the rank and file Ace commenter. I'm not sure how this was ever anyone's read on Trump, but how is it still? The man is hard to read in so many ways, I grant, but he leaves plenty of evidence lying around for people to work with, and this conception of Trump seems based on none of it.

We have him on record telling the NY Times in 1999 that Pat Buchannan and his supporters are "beyond far right" and "wacko", we have him quoted in NewsMax in 2012 complaining that Romney lost the Hispanic vote due to MITT ROMNEY being "maniacal" on immigration enforcement and chastising the GOP for being "mean-spirited" on the issue. We have him on video raving about how awesome Hillary Clinton is and what a terrific president she'd be to FOX News in 2012  (he made similar statements about her during the 2008 primary, but I don't recall the source). We have him again on video raving to NY-1 in 2008 about how awesome Obama is and will be as president (obviously he's been especially bipolar on this one, but Obama seems to have since won him over nicely just by acting gracious and respectful in the transition period), and in the same interview calling George W. Bush evil.

The quote about Buchanan can potentially be dismissed on the grounds that Trump was running against him for the Reform party nomination at the time, and apparently Trump is allowed to lie to voters about his political beliefs because we know in our hearts he's really with us. But that's a generous assumption to grant and the other statements all seem like much more valuable insights into the man's beliefs (to the extent he has persistent beliefs).  By contrast, I've asked commenters on this blog at least twice in the past few months to provide me with evidence of Trump expressing immigration hawk views prior to the 2015 primaries and I've yet to get a response. I've searched on my own (a small fraction of the vast amount of recordings of and reporting on Trump in the public record, certainly, but enough that I would reasonably expect to catch something). It sure as hell looks to me like a facade. A facade which was made to look plausible to people who won't follow up on Lexis Nexus, due to very superficial proxy observations like his trade protectionism, Reform Party affiliations, his reputation as an avatar of the corporate world hated by (yet most vigorously engaged in by) leftists, his being seemingly into the idea of his country being the best and smartest just like how he's the best and smartest, his Birther-ism, and a CPAC speech during one of his fleeting anti-Obama phases. I will grant, I assumed Trump to be a standard Buchanan-style paleo-conservative based on such things, back when I had the blessed luxury of paying him almost no mind. But when you're gambling the future of the party that millions of us have, in our blue pill naivete, pinned our hopes of the future to, some due diligence would be appreciated.

I think it's fair to say about Trump that the man loves TV and radio, and the personalities who inhibit that sphere, he whole-heartedly loves interacting (on his own terms) with major players in the corporate, media, and political worlds, especially if he personally recognizes them from TV. Not a leap to think he has a higher esteem for Romney than he's ever had for anyone sporting a MAGA hat for any purpose other than profiting off their sale. He recognizes Romney as one of the biggest political figures in the public eye of the last decade, Romney's as much of a celebrity as the party had pre-Trump, Trump's been personally emotionally invested in Romney in the past as evidenced by his tweets during the 2012 election, and whatever bad blood may have arisen between them in 2016 is easily made up for (to Trump, at least) by putting Romney in a subservient job position and relishing in winning the office that Romney pursued and failed to obtain for himself. Trump's done fine for himself ignoring every admonition thrown at him about presidential politics, why should the admonitions from Coulter and Limbaugh be any different? Should he want to run in 2020, the party is stuck with him now regardless of how that makes his primary supporters feel.

Not gonna bother making any predictions about how conservative-friendly or antagonistic the Trump administration will be, it's completely unknowable (I sure didn't expect Romney as a likely cabinet pick). A problem with any candidate, but especially one who won't (in earnest or in deceit) align himself with a publicly articulated set of consistent principles and values you can use to contrast his efforts against. But I will speculate on one thing, for whatever it's worth (not much, based on the reaction to most of my Trump comments on this blog): To the GOPe/RNC, Trump represents a perfect Thomas Crown Affair-style coup against whatever's left of the Cruz wing of the GOP and any other anti-establishment factions. They've got a candidate whose ear they clearly have, whose disinterest in most matters of importance to them grants them a lot of leeway, and who snatches away a healthy-sized chunk of the base of support for an outsider/activist candidate that could have went to an actual ideological conservative that was interested in fighting the GOPe for the party. In return, Trump gets the motherload of narcissist supply.

Posted by: reform highlander at November 30, 2016 10:44 PM (xf3KI)

347 Posted by: reform highlander at December 01, 2016 03:44 AM (xf3KI) Nice copypasta you have there, Bill "Sparky" Kristol. W'be too bad if anything bad happens to it. Also, you MAY want to change all instances of "candidate" to "president elect" for it to sound a bit more current. I'll show you the search and replace function in msword if you want to.

Posted by: Juicer at December 01, 2016 12:02 AM (Y1uYP)

348 Posted by: Juicer at December 01, 2016 05:02 AM (Y1uYP)

It's not copy/paste, it's stream of consciousness rambling, and frequently lazy editing. I can't prove a negative, so I don't know how to respond to these types of accusations in response to my Trump posts except to say I promise I'm not. I'm willing to provide evidence that I've been following Ace's blog since at least 2012 and hungrily consuming his podcast for the last year or so of its output (I still haven't forgotten that Ace promised us Andrew W.K. as podcast guest and failed to deliver). Even during the last few months, where Ace's content has obviously (hopefully temporarily) declined in appeal for me, I've switched over to his podcast co-hosts twitter accounts for his blog for my main hub for politics news. The comments section I've rarely followed in the past, but I can track down an old, time-stamped comment of mine from the rare posts I did going back before the Trump schism. I just can't dig this stuff up every thread I feel like posting in.

This stuff I post about Trump and the culture, that's my honest read of it all, and I would happily argue it in good faith with someone interested in that discussion. I don't get it. From the perspective of someone who has never thought of myself as a party-line guy but has voted party-line Republican in every election I've voted in until last month, this feels more like the killing blow to ideological conservatism to me than anything that happened in the Obama administration. And I think if I'm truly wrong someone should be able to coherently explain that to me, and not just give me platitudes that are meaningless to me like "you just don't get it" and "we gotta give tit for tat". Hopefully at least the moderators recognize me as not a troll or spam-bot.

Additionally, my most humble of apologies to President Elect Donald Trump, First of His Name, King of the RINOs and the Alt-Right, Lord of the Great American Nation, and Protector of the Realm, for my slow adjustment to the formalities of the new conservatism.

Posted by: reform highlander at December 01, 2016 02:57 PM (xf3KI)

349 I thought this was a conservative blog. The Trump ass kissing is embarrassing

Posted by: Adam at December 04, 2016 07:42 PM (Z5nM2)

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