December 30, 2011

Rick Santorum?
— Ace

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1 open door....... shut it.

Posted by: Racefan at December 30, 2011 11:56 AM (GfMOD)

2 Never trust anyone named Rick

Posted by: Daniel at December 30, 2011 11:56 AM (fPiSf)

3 Rick Santorum - the Milhouse of the GOP

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 30, 2011 11:57 AM (uhAkr)

4 Noooooo.....who will us lemmings turn to now??? Just goes to show, no candidate will be perfect.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 11:58 AM (nOFwj)

5

I don't think Santorum will endorse Spector again.

Will Romney support socialized medicine again?

Posted by: NCC at December 30, 2011 11:58 AM (lDsmT)

6 I'm afraid to watch.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 11:59 AM (mKMj1)

7

Only decent candidate in the race, and I've been saying it for some time. His endorsement of Specter was tactical, and in no way, shape, or form compares to Paul's insanity, Perry's stupidity, or Romney's brazen liberalism.

 

Posted by: Chris at December 30, 2011 12:00 PM (XGZYX)

8 RINO. Heard?

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 30, 2011 12:00 PM (dOsjQ)

9

Will Romney support socialized medicine again?

Posted by: NCC

Didn't he just do it a couple days ago?

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 12:00 PM (mKMj1)

10 lol way to go, me.  Whenever I decide to post something, it gets pushed down the page within minutes. 

Posted by: Truman North at December 30, 2011 12:02 PM (I2LwF)

11 I'm writing in Mike Pence for 2012

Posted by: chocolatepretzel at December 30, 2011 12:03 PM (u4NH1)

12 He did a pop cover of an old Sammy Hagar song. What an ass.

Posted by: David Lee Marvin at December 30, 2011 12:03 PM (E7yM+)

13 Here's what I think about Rick Santorum -

I'm not sure that I could vote for Rick Sanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What? Was I saying somezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 12:05 PM (tv/my)

14 I for one liked T North's piece.  And given how dead this thread is, everyone else is still reading it.

Posted by: pashmr10 at December 30, 2011 12:05 PM (C5QH2)

15 He should say that the endorsement was good on a state level, but not the national level.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 30, 2011 12:05 PM (XGZYX)

16

@7 - Listened to a political junkie once describe a brutal takedown of Santorum by a college kid at a forum in Georgia.  RS was going on ad nauseum about adhering to principles.  When Q&A time rolled around,  the kid stood up and asked why he supported Arlen the Spectre.

RS mumbled that he had to go along with it to toe the party line.

The kid then says, "So principles go out the window when the party says jump?

RS got quite red-faced and walked to the other end of the stage.  It was far from his best moment.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 30, 2011 12:06 PM (tQHzJ)

17 Where is General Patton when you need him....I live in Cali maybe I should try channeling the General..

Posted by: Flintstone at December 30, 2011 12:06 PM (+6LlM)

18 Actually Santorum has a very conservative record. More so than Newt and a shit load more so than Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 12:06 PM (YdQQY)

19 We wrote a song about people like Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney called "Wishy Washy Pussies, Go Ahead and Polish Our Balls!"

Posted by: Steel Panther at December 30, 2011 12:07 PM (wMsKw)

20 He still reminds me of John Cusack.

Posted by: Truman North at December 30, 2011 12:08 PM (I2LwF)

21 @20 Nah, Tom Hanks

Posted by: chocolatepretzel at December 30, 2011 12:09 PM (u4NH1)

22 The man always looks on the verge of tears. We just found out the wife's biopsy came back "benign." Thank God.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 12:10 PM (niZvt)

23 for Peaches .........our dear friend and loved one have a safe drive home

Posted by: Racefan at December 30, 2011 12:10 PM (GfMOD)

24 RS mumbled that he had to go along with it to toe the party line.

Yeah, but I'm sure Aaaaaaaarrrrrlen was very appreciative and sends Santorum a thankbyou note every year.  ..........

Bwaaaaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaa. 

OK, not really.

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2011 12:10 PM (6TB1Z)

25 Maybe Ron Paul is on to something, anybody see the pics of the Rusky subfire?

Posted by: Flintstone at December 30, 2011 12:12 PM (+6LlM)

26 @19
As a Romneybot, I take great offense at that vulgar, unnecessary *snicker* puerile display of infantile humor. 


OK, that was funny. 

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2011 12:13 PM (6TB1Z)

27

I find his rise in the polls disturbing, really guys? we wanna become that stereotypical angry middle age white guy who hates gays? THIS guy is polling better then Perry? in some polls better then Newt? really?

Id also add his part in the instalment of Medicare Part D and of course on the electability front, his loss in his home state to a guy who makes Mitt Romney look like the life of the party by a whopping 19 points in a state that McCain lost by 10 in an 08 Dem wave year.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:13 PM (uwppY)

28 he's so obviously a dick. i've lost a ton of respect for mark levin on this one.

Posted by: Morgan at December 30, 2011 12:15 PM (hqlrn)

29

Hey, I'm the only one who should be able to talk trash about Gays. I'm from Texas, damnit. You know, the state that had that court case about--derrr, umm, what was I talking about?

Oh yes, he doesn't have a heart if he doesn't support an endless supply of cheap labor for my donors.

Posted by: Rick Perry at December 30, 2011 12:15 PM (XGZYX)

30 lol way to go, me.  Whenever I decide to post something, it gets pushed down the page within minutes. 

Posted by: Truman North at December 30, 2011 05:02 PM (I2LwF)

Did it not occur to you that Ace has, in fact, NOT taken the day off?

Posted by: stuiec at December 30, 2011 12:17 PM (UTjQC)

31 he's not a free-marketer at all, he's more of a lou dobbs plus fervent anti-abortion. couldn't be more of a fossil in my opinion.

Posted by: Morgan at December 30, 2011 12:17 PM (hqlrn)

32 Anybody is Better than yo mama what are we discussing?
Later...

Posted by: Flintstone at December 30, 2011 12:17 PM (+6LlM)

33 What is it with ricks?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 30, 2011 12:18 PM (bAL0J)

34 I was volunteering for Toomey back then. What a stab in the back this was. This is why he lost by 19% in 2006. Not only was he hated by democrats, but a lot of us conservatives who backed toomey didn't vote for him.

Posted by: Ben at December 30, 2011 12:18 PM (wuv1c)

35 18 Actually Santorum has a very conservative record. More so than Newt and a shit load more so than Mutt.
Posted by: Vic

But his record seems to indicate he wants to legislate us into conservatism. I have issues with that - for one thing, how do we pay for it?

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 12:18 PM (mKMj1)

36 Actually he's the one who makes the clearest argument for conservative values. Don't think he stands a chance, though.

Posted by: Cricket at December 30, 2011 12:19 PM (ktqBU)

37 Cool

Posted by: phoenixgirl... all in for perry at December 30, 2011 12:20 PM (ynIQr)

38

I get the urge to slap him whenever he speaks during the debates. This upsets me because I am a nonviolent person. No rechecks of Santorum for me.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 30, 2011 12:20 PM (w3YD7)

39 Santorum needs to watch his behavior and his mouth. He could be the candidate of the future. But he isn't the man for the job this round.
Perry is.

Posted by: Pecos, at December 30, 2011 12:21 PM (2Gb0y)

40 >>We just found out the wife's biopsy came back "benign."

That's great!  Time to take your wife shopping for a new cleavage-revealing outfit so you can take the girls out for a spin!

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 12:21 PM (5H6zj)

41 we wanna become that stereotypical angry middle age white guy who hates gays? ----------------------------------- Post a quote where Santorum says he "hates" gays or STFU, Mendez.

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:22 PM (ucERL)

42 I took one of those online survey things (was it posted here?  Can't remember). Anyway you were supposed to answer a bunch of questions on the issues and then it showed you what candidate you most closely matched.  I answered the questions pretty carefully , and the candidate it matched me with was Rick Santorum.

I'm strongly pro-life but I don't even think that issues was on the survey.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:22 PM (P6QsQ)

43 He's an opportunist. He'll probably run again in 2016

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2011 12:23 PM (FKQng)

44 they all suck except mittens. go cocktail party.

Posted by: newrouter at December 30, 2011 12:23 PM (xD4bD)

45

I get the urge to slap him whenever he speaks during the debates. This upsets me because I am a nonviolent person. No rechecks of Santorum for me.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 30, 2011 05:20 PM (w3YD7)

he comes off to me like the guy you bring the party who says things you agree with but chooses to say them so offensively and angry that you decide to hide the fact thats the guy you brought with you to the party

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:23 PM (uwppY)

46 And I'm not  a middle aged white guy. I'm not even all that angry, and I don't hate gay people.  So there.


Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:23 PM (P6QsQ)

47

He looks like Chris Wallace.

 

 

Did it not occur to you that Ace has, in fact, NOT taken the day off?

 

Yeah, no kidding.  But that's his prerogative!  I'm not sore, just snakebit.

Posted by: Truman North at December 30, 2011 12:24 PM (I2LwF)

48 Post a quote where Santorum says he "hates" gays or STFU, Mendez.

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 05:22 PM (ucERL)

Im saying his image comes off that way, never said he actually said such a thing, but nice try

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:25 PM (uwppY)

49 I saw this schmuck give a speech live once. All he did was talk about how great he was. Now, of course, if you are going to be a politician, you have to give speeches that leave the audience thinking at the the end "this is a great guy." But you don't achieve that by directly saying, more or less, "I'm a great guy." That usually achieves just the opposite. Again, completely turned me off.

Posted by: chris at December 30, 2011 12:25 PM (dX5s2)

50 Last year, Santorum gave a speech at my university at which someone asked him about his endorsement of Specter over Toomy. Santorum explained that he endorsed Specter for one simple reason. Specter held a senior position on the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time. Since there was the potential for several key Supreme Court appointments--and as it turns out there were, namely Roberts and Alito--Santorum decided it was better to keep Specter because we would keep the key position on the Judiciary Committee. Santorum explained that he felt that the Bush administration could make Specter vote the party line on conservative appointments to SCOTUS. In virtue of his seniority and moderate image, Specter would be able to convince other moderate senators (*cough*Snowe*cough*Collins*cough*) to go along with Bush's appointments. He did not want to give up this chance by replacing Specter with a freshman senator who had no pull and no seniority on the Judiciary committee. And it turned out that, in respect to the judicial appointments, Santorum was right.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:26 PM (duihQ)

51 And I'm not a middle aged white guy. I'm not even all that angry, and I don't hate gay people. So there.


Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:23 PM (P6QsQ)

EXACTLY, and I dont look at most conservatives that way but when Santorum talks he comes off w/ that image

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:26 PM (uwppY)

52 Now, of course, if you are going to be a politician, you have to give speeches that leave the audience thinking at the the end "this is a great guy." But you don't achieve that by directly saying, more or less, "I'm a great guy."

Seems to be Obama's game plan, and he's in the White House.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:27 PM (P6QsQ)

53 Awesome news, CoolCzech! I am thrilled to hear it.

Is she gonna make you return your iPad? 

Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 30, 2011 12:27 PM (SsG4J)

54

Santorum scolded Bachmann, Paul, and the rest of the crowd at Ames for daring to give lip service to federalism.  Santorum expressly called for a national "morality" to trump state law.  He rejects the Tenth Amendment. This is the biggest cocksucker on the stage, and anyone who thinks Santorum is a "conservative" is a fucking idiot.  The guy is pro-life, and anti-SSM.  Woop-dee-fucking-doo. That does not make him "conservative" when he runs around giving the finger to the entire small government and federalist crowd.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:27 PM (vjyZP)

55 We are so boned..  We have the worst performing Democratic President in the history of this nation.. a cupcake could run this country better... and should be able to beat him.

But.. who do we get to oppose this SCOAMF?  Well, nobody.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 30, 2011 12:27 PM (UTq/I)

56 I recall when discussing the criminalization of sodomy and Lawrence vs. Texas, he didn't take the Justice Thomas route of "stupid law, but constitutional" but instead directly argued that it was a good idea for a state to stick people in jail for engaging in homosexual acts with other adults. Again, he argued that the specific law in question wasn't just constitutional, but also good policy. (And no I can't cite this. It's from memory.)

Posted by: chris at December 30, 2011 12:28 PM (dX5s2)

57

Santorum wants DC morality to trump states' rights.  He somehow thinks that DC morality can be brought in line with Christian values... which shows Santorum to be both naive as well as retarded.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:28 PM (vjyZP)

58 Im saying his image comes off that way, never said he actually said such a thing, but nice try. ----------------------------- Comes off that way to who? You? And if Santorum never said such a thing why would he have that image? You're not a Democrat in Congress, Mendez, where you can throw bombs and get no response from pussy Republicans afraid of their own shadows. If you make a claim here you should be ready to back it up.

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:29 PM (ucERL)

59 Go fish.

Posted by: Little Johnny at December 30, 2011 12:29 PM (E7yM+)

60 He rejects the Tenth Amendment.

Got a link for that?

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:30 PM (P6QsQ)

61 40 >>We just found out the wife's biopsy came back "benign." That's great!  Time to take your wife shopping for a new cleavage-revealing outfit so you can take the girls out for a spin! Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 05:21 PM (5H6zj) I'm thinking free-ranging boobies are in order

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 12:30 PM (niZvt)

62 mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:30 PM (P6QsQ) Exactly.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:31 PM (duihQ)

63 wooga at 54 for the win.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 12:31 PM (tv/my)

64 53 Awesome news, CoolCzech! I am thrilled to hear it. Is she gonna make you return your iPad?  Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 30, 2011 05:27 PM (SsG4J)

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 12:31 PM (niZvt)

65

Comes off that way to who? You? And if Santorum never said such a thing why would he have that image? 

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 05:29 PM (ucERL)

google Santorum buddy and then tell me that image is just for me

 

Santorum wants DC morality to trump states' rights. He somehow thinks that DC morality can be brought in line with Christian values... which shows Santorum to be both naive as well as retarded.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 05:28 PM (vjyZP)

+1

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:32 PM (uwppY)

66 56 I recall when discussing the criminalization of sodomy and Lawrence vs. Texas, he didn't take the Justice Thomas route of "stupid law, but constitutional" but instead directly argued that it was a good idea for a state to stick people in jail for engaging in homosexual acts with other adults.

Again, he argued that the specific law in question wasn't just constitutional, but also good policy.

(And no I can't cite this. It's from memory.)

Posted by: chris at December 30, 2011 05:28 PM (dX5s2)

If you want to get rid of sodomy, ban lube- cuz it's like toxic or kills bunnies.

Posted by: How a lib would do it at December 30, 2011 12:33 PM (E7yM+)

67 Great news, CoolCzech! 

Posted by: no good deed at December 30, 2011 12:33 PM (mjR67)

68 Gingrich is saying he wants Sarah Palin as his VP?   It'll be all over for everyone else then?

Heard this from some loud talking conservative palin bot on the train!

Posted by: dip theory ah at December 30, 2011 12:33 PM (oZfic)

69 Got a link for that?

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:30 PM (P6QsQ)

someone hasnt been watching the debates

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:33 PM (uwppY)

70 EXACTLY, and I dont look at most conservatives that way but when Santorum talks he comes off w/ that image

---

Fortunately, our presumptive nominee won't run into any blow-back from the gay rights crowd in the general.
/sarc

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 12:34 PM (5H6zj)

71 Oh just read your news, CC. That is great. Fantastic way for you both to start the new year!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 12:34 PM (tv/my)

72 Santorum reminds me of the kid in school who always raised his hand first for everything.  I hated that kid.

Posted by: mpfs at December 30, 2011 12:34 PM (iYbLN)

73 I'll get the link in a second

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:35 PM (vjyZP)

74 Ex-Ter-Minate  Ex-Ter-Minate  Ex-Ter-Minate

Posted by: Paulbot at December 30, 2011 12:36 PM (E7yM+)

75 "Watch the debates" is such a clear example. That is a KO punch.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:36 PM (duihQ)

76 55 We are so boned.. We have the worst performing Democratic President in the history of this nation.. a cupcake could run this country better... and should be able to beat him. --------------------------------- My God, we need to stop looking for saviors among thieves.

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:36 PM (ucERL)

77 Great news CC!!

I know the feeling of relief that washes through you when you get the news.  It buckles your knees.

Posted by: mpfs at December 30, 2011 12:36 PM (iYbLN)

Posted by: dip theory ah at December 30, 2011 12:37 PM (oZfic)

79 Fortunately, our presumptive nominee won't run into any blow-back from the gay rights crowd in the general.
/sarc

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 05:34 PM (5H6zj)

from idiots like GLADD and shit? of course but when he comes off as an evangelical w/ a vandetta to some independents that's where I worry. I dont' care to please GLADD types but I dont care to scare off indys either.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:38 PM (uwppY)

80 mpfs, as opposed to the slacker who became the SCOAMF? I'll take Mr. Hand raiser any day over someone who plays hookey from his job on the golf course.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:38 PM (duihQ)

81 Oh my god.  Goodbye ricky!

Arlen "I didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me"

You have to be fucking kidding me Rick.  FUCK YOU

Are we really this stupid?  Its becoming obvious the people 'at the top' are just careerists who are in it for the money.  They don't actually believe anything they say.  Its all a joke to them


Posted by: What a Jerk at December 30, 2011 12:38 PM (bcmD0)

82 @79
You didn't learn anything from the Prop 8 battle, did you? 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 12:39 PM (5H6zj)

83

Thank God.

Good belated Christmas gifts from the Big Guy are always welcome.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, PHD, CEO Curmudgeon Clinics of America at December 30, 2011 12:39 PM (d0Tfm)

84 mpfs, so true. So true!

Between him and Bachmann at the debates, they were by far the most whiny and pushy in the group.

I wanna talk - pick me! Pick meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 12:39 PM (tv/my)

85 "Watch the debates" is such a clear example. That is a KO punch.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 05:36 PM (duihQ)

you can find the debates on youtube in their entirety and in other media sites, you can make your decision when you watch him go off angry at how Perry wants to keep states from making their own decisions

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:39 PM (uwppY)

86 someone hasnt been watching the debates


If you're referring to his exchange with Bachman and Paul about states not having the right to pass laws that conflict with rights guaranteed under the Constituion, or prohibited by Federal law (such as polygamy or slavery) then I get your reference.  Are you saying that that states' rights trump federal law in those cases?  Because that is what I got from Santorum's answer.  I never heard him say that he rejects the 10th, only that the 10th is not untouchable or without limitation.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:39 PM (P6QsQ)

87 What a Jerk, see my explanation above. Don't know if you'll buy it, but it's a better explanation than I've heard him give elsewhere.

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:40 PM (duihQ)

88 Ace can't quit us.

Posted by: fearful moron at December 30, 2011 12:40 PM (0hwOL)

89

http://tinyurl.com/10thAmok
“This is the 10th Amendment run amuck,” Santorum said, “Michele Bachmann says that she would go in and fight health care being imposed by the states, but she wouldn't go in and fight marriage being imposed by the states. That would be OK. We have Ron Paul saying, whatever the states want to do under the 10th Amendment that's fine, so if states want to pass polygamy that's fine, if the states want to impose sterilization that's fine. We are a nation that was built on a moral enterprise and states don't have the right to tramp over those because of the 10th Amendment.”

 

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:40 PM (vjyZP)

90 Thanks for the kind words, everybody... I really appreciate it. You know, libs try to always act like breast cancer is a "women's issue," but I sure felt it was MY issue the last few days, worrying for her.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 12:40 PM (niZvt)

91 Santorum wants DC morality to trump states' rights. He somehow thinks that DC morality can be brought in line with Christian values... which shows Santorum to be both naive as well as retarded. Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 05:28 PM (vjyZP) ------------------------------------- Can i get an example?

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:41 PM (ucERL)

92 Sarah P for Veep?  OMG.. Newt is really getting fucking desperate now.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 30, 2011 12:41 PM (UTq/I)

93 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 05:10 PM (niZvt)

Congratulations. What a delightful way to start a new year!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 12:41 PM (nEUpB)

94 Yeah I'd vote for Santorum; he's better than president Obama. Wouldn't everyone else here? Seriously?

And Czech, great news and I'm so glad for you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 12:41 PM (r4wIV)

95 This is a waste of time.  We're debating someone's impression of Rick Santorum based on no evidence. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (5H6zj)

96 What is happening is that people like the car in the showroom but it has problems but do can be worked with it. So they went into the lot to see what else they like. Then when the new car has rust, next car has odd problems, then media created problems, big government problems or just being nuts problems. The mass of people who will back the car in the showroom but hope not to have to have found a new shinny car that they all mass to. But when it comes down to that the tanks is only 2 gallons big the car in showroom will take the mass and then hope who they can get as a free add on in VP that will make the deal even better.

Posted by: Tjexcite at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (sk1Ym)

97 Author sanatorium doesn't hate gays he's a catholic who is following his churches teachings that said I don't want him to be the president he'd make a great deacon though

Posted by: phoenixgirl... all in for perry at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (ynIQr)

98 So Santorum is a crazed tenth amendment hating, gay hating evil person and was a Senator of the United States. And no one can provide links to any of it. Incredible.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (hC5jI)

99 Glad for you and your wife coolczech.

Posted by: Dave at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (Xm1aB)

100

...RS got quite red-faced and walked to the other end of the stage. It was far from his best moment.

I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for that one.

Heh. Truth = Brutality, but only to a politician.

We are so boned...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, PHD, CEO Curmudgeon Clinics of America at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (d0Tfm)

101 You didn't learn anything from the Prop 8 battle, did you?

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 05:39 PM (5H6zj)

yeah I did, I learned that while I agreed w/ the rejection of prop 8 the fact a bunch of pussies like GLADD and other extremists decided to get in a hissy fit that they lost and blame it on christians instead of the fact the whole state (including Dems) said no shows that a majority of gay rights groups are douchebags. My worry is that Santorum, while any other nominee will deal with the gay rights folks' BS, will add more fuel to the fire then any other nominee and cost us chances to win in good looking states for us like NH where there's more of a liberterian bent there.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:42 PM (uwppY)

102 google Santorum buddy and then tell me that image is just fSadlor me

...a professional bully (and admitted committer of vote fraud) smears a man with a vulgarity, and that's proof the man is evil?

Sadly, your mindless ignorance is all to representative of the electorate.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 12:43 PM (hO8IJ)

103 Santorum:  Brag, brag, whine, whine, whine, brag, make a tough comment that makes no sense, whine, brag, brag, whine, talk tough about terrorism, brag, whine, whine....

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 30, 2011 12:43 PM (GoIUi)

104 If you're referring to his exchange with Bachman and Paul about states not having the right to pass laws that conflict with rights guaranteed under the Constituion, or prohibited by Federal law (such as polygamy or slavery) then I get your reference.  Are you saying that that states' rights trump federal law in those cases?  Because that is what I got from Santorum's answer.  I never heard him say that he rejects the 10th, only that the 10th is not untouchable or without limitation.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:39 PM (P6QsQ)

1. Slavery is prohibited by the 13th Amendment.  So, anyone who argues that Paul (or Perry/Bachmann/ZombieReagan) would allow states to reintroduce slavery is Constitutionally-illterate.

2.Where in the Constitution does it authorize the feds to prohibit states from enacting their own marriage laws?  Santorum says that exists in the mystical "national morality" clause. Which, of course, doesn't really exist.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:44 PM (vjyZP)

105

Posted by: phoenixgirl... all in for perry at December 30, 2011 05:42 PM (ynIQr)

again I dont believe he hates gays, he's been on record bashing Iran for their treatment of gays which I give him kudos for, my point is that the image of his, whether wrong or right, is as a anti-gays bigot. I cant even google the man's name w/o disgusting gay propoganda hitting me in the face from the 1st page.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:44 PM (uwppY)

106 Anyone want to bet that Rick Santorum is a big Steel Panther fan?

(Seriously, Ace -- thank you so fucking much for turning me on to Steel Panther.  May actually be BETTER than Spinal Tap.  "Weenie Ride" is a goddamn classic.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 30, 2011 12:44 PM (D9z3D)

107 CoolCzech - Good news! The Lord is listening to moron prayers this week... 

well.. for some things.. we still got Newt and Romney and Paul.. *sigh*

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 30, 2011 12:45 PM (UTq/I)

108 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 05:40 PM (niZvt) ------------------------------ God bless you and the wifey, CoolCzech. It's close calls like the one you had that lead to a deeper appreciation of what you have. Glad everything worked out.

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:45 PM (ucERL)

109 "We have Ron Paul saying, whatever the states want to do under the 10th Amendment that's fine, so if states want to pass polygamy that's fine, if the states want to impose sterilization that's fine. We are a nation that was built on a moral enterprise and states don't have the right to tramp over those because of the 10th Amendment.”



I'm not having much of  a problem with that statement.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:45 PM (P6QsQ)

110 Santorum thinks Federal and Constitutional Law is more powerful than state law. Man, that guy is crazy.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 12:46 PM (hC5jI)

111

Bachmann

Perry

Cain

Gingrich

Santorum

Heh, my time to shine, rubes.

Posted by: Jon "Next In Anti-Mitt Line" Huntsman at December 30, 2011 12:47 PM (l3r0k)

112 ...a professional bully (and admitted committer of vote fraud) smears a man with a vulgarity, and that's proof the man is evil?

Sadly, your mindless ignorance is all to representative of the electorate.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 05:43 PM (hO8IJ)

wait, when again did I call the man evil? Im making statements of my worry of the image he has not the man's personal chracter. really Heather? 1st you got in a hissy fit ages ago because I said I liked rock music like Shinedown and now your saying that im calling a man evil because I worry of the unfair image portrayed on him? really?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Voting In A Month at December 30, 2011 12:47 PM (uwppY)

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:48 PM (vjyZP)

114 Santorum supported Specter in 2004? Wasn't Specter a Republican back then?

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 30, 2011 12:49 PM (lVGED)

115 @111 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.....

Posted by: darii at December 30, 2011 12:50 PM (duihQ)

116 113 What part of his legislative record shows he is some sort of moral legislating nut. Oh that's right, none of it.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 12:50 PM (hC5jI)

117 I'm not having much of  a problem with that statement.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:45 PM (P6QsQ)

Where in the Constitution does it allow the feds to ban polygamy? The reason the US required Utah to renounce polygamy BEFORE gaining admission to the Union is because the feds had no ability to ban it afterwards.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:50 PM (vjyZP)

118 Obama, because Santorum is too much/ too little conservative Libertarians can go to hell and suck themselves off as the "anti social con" version of the ABO group Losers all. . . .

Posted by: TRexByTor at December 30, 2011 12:51 PM (kFgth)

119 It's nearly 6pm EST on Friday before the holiday -- everyone -- have a drink. Or twelve.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 12:51 PM (tv/my)

120 80 mpfs, as opposed to the slacker who became the SCOAMF? I'll take Mr. Hand raiser any day over someone who plays hookey from his job on the golf course. Posted by: darii

I didn't say I wouldn't vote for him as the nominee I just didn't like the type in school.

Posted by: mpfs at December 30, 2011 12:51 PM (iYbLN)

121 117 So you advocate the reversal of the restriction on polygamy?

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 12:52 PM (hC5jI)

122 Wow wooga.  Even CS Lewis has warned us all against Rick Santorum.  I guess that shuts me up for good then.  You've really convinced me there - gotta hand it to you.  From now on I will make sure that any person I vote for has no moral conscience or underpinnings that might reach out from under the bed and grab me and drag me into tyranny. That would be tragic for sure.

OBAMA '12!!!  I'm in!

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 12:52 PM (P6QsQ)

123 I learned that while I agreed w/ the rejection of prop 8 the fact a bunch of pussies like GLADD and other extremists decided to get in a hissy fit that they lost and blame it on christians instead of the fact the whole state (including Dems) said no shows that a majority of gay rights groups are douchebags. -------------------------------- Really, that was your take on Prop 8 ? That gay rights groups are douchebags? Shouldn't your take be that, even in the liberal state of California, the gay agenda is REJECTED by the majority of Americans? That EVERY TIME the gay agenda is put on a ballot it fails?

Posted by: Truth Serum at December 30, 2011 12:53 PM (ucERL)

124 again I dont believe he hates gays, he's been on record bashing Iran for their treatment of gays which I give him kudos for, my point is that the image of his, whether wrong or right, is as a anti-gays bigot.

Image in whose mind?  Honestly, you may as well start citing your circle of NYC friends at this point, because you're basically in cat pee territory. 

You have this impression of him.  So what? 

If Romney is the nominee the same folks who were motivated to attack the LDS church over the Prop 8 thing will mobilize against Mitt. 

At some point you have to just accept that anything other than the full Progressive view of How the World Should Be will result in a media onslaught and not worry abou tit. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 12:54 PM (5H6zj)

125 121 117 So you advocate the reversal of the restriction on polygamy? Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 05:52 PM (hC5jI) Don't laugh. I've come across a number of "big L" Libertarians that think it should be legal. This was back in ye olde college times when I was a registered libertarian and hung with that crowd. But yeah, there were definitely folks arguing for it.

Posted by: Mandy P. is hoping for a Texas miracle at December 30, 2011 12:56 PM (qFpRI)

126 Rick Santorum is Michael Scott without the social acumen.  He's a non-factor this nomination cycle and will remain one for at least another 8 years. In the meantime he might want to get himself  back into Congress.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 30, 2011 12:57 PM (Qjh0I)

127 I think Santorum is a whiny bitch. He's not the first guy I'd pick to have a beer. But damn if he isn't top tier in the current field as far as conservatism goes.

Posted by: Dave at December 30, 2011 12:57 PM (Xm1aB)

128 So Rick Santorum is a good Catholic with a moral compass and that makes him unfit for political office. Let's vote for Mitt Romney. Now that man is a staunch conservative.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 12:57 PM (hC5jI)

129

116 113
What part of his legislative record shows he is some sort of moral legislating nut.
Oh that's right, none of it.
Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 05:50 PM (hC5jI)

1. When has Santorum had the ability to legislate jack squat?  He's like Ron Paul, in that all of his craziness are in his words, not legislative action.

2. Most laws are a form of legislating morality. Santorum (correctly, IMO) agrees (ChristiantyToday magazine):

Q: How do you respond to those who might accuse you of attempting to legislate your morality on others?
A: I would say that everyone does. The idea that when you make decisions that have moral implications, you're not legislating morality! When you're going to allocate funds for contraceptive services, are you legislating morality? Of course you are. Now the question is, what moral code are you applying, or what values or virtues are you applying to the situation? What worldview do you see?

3. Santorum's spokesman, when attacking Perry for saying states should be able to legalize drugs or SSM -- unless an SSM amendment was passed (which Perry backs) -- said the following to the WashingtonExaminer:

"states do not have the right to legalize moral wrongs"

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 12:58 PM (vjyZP)

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 12:58 PM (YdQQY)

131 Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 05:51 PM (tv/my)

Why? Do you think I'm a drunk? What...I need booze to function!


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 12:59 PM (nEUpB)

132 119 It's nearly 6pm EST on Friday before the holiday -- everyone -- have a drink. Or twelve.
Posted by: laceyunderalls

A positively brilliant idea!

I'll have to walk dogs first, but I'll belly up to the bar beside you as soon as that's done.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:00 PM (mKMj1)

133 CoolCzech -- much relieved for you and the missus, especially the missus.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 30, 2011 01:01 PM (tQHzJ)

134 Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 05:58 PM (YdQQY)

Clearly all the people who support polygamy aren't married. I have a tough enough time with one wife; why the fuck would I want another one?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 01:01 PM (nEUpB)

135 128 So Rick Santorum is a good Catholic with a moral compass and that makes him unfit for political office.


Let's vote for Mitt Romney. Now that man is a staunch conservative.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 05:57 PM (hC5jI)

Fuck you.  Just accuse all of his who oppose him of only doing so out of anti-Catholic bias.  Just like fucknuts accuse us of opposing Romney out of anti-Mormon bias, and you fuckers accused us of opposing Huckabee out of anti-fat-christian bias.  Hey fucker, I'm a believing protestant, and I think Newt's Catholic conversion is a positive attribute. I don't oppose anyone for holding Christian beliefs.

If you want a guy with (1) a good moral compass, but (2) no respect for the limits of government and (3) no recognition that the inherent evil of man cautions against over reliance on cetralized government planning... well then you should have backed Huckabee.  At least Huckabee wasn't a douchebag.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 01:02 PM (vjyZP)

136

I collect a lot of things...never once would I consider building a harem, though.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2011 01:03 PM (0hwOL)

137 129 1. He was a Senator. In. The. United. States. Congress. 2. He advocates for stopping funding for abortion clinics. Woah he's way outside of mainstream Republican thought. 3. Yeah let's legalize drugs!!

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 01:04 PM (hC5jI)

138

"states do not have the right to legalize moral wrongs"

Posted by: wooga

A nice sentiment, but untrue, as any casual survey of history will demonstrate. States have upheld moral wrongs for millenia.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:04 PM (mKMj1)

139 A positively brilliant idea!

Sometimes I'm occasionally right and/or helpful in some capacity

You guys enjoy the drinks. I'll join you later. I'm itching for a nap. It's the last day of my vaca. Boo.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 30, 2011 01:04 PM (tv/my)

140

Perry, Gingrich, Romney, Bachmann and Paul's flaws are all built in. They are known figures now.

That doesn't mean Paul's support is real, just that it isn't ignorant. Paul's real base - of which, each being one or more of truther/racist/bircher/teenager make up 75% - in the GOP is about 9%. That is what Paul pulls, that's what he always pulls. That's for being Paul.

When you see him riding 23%, that's 9% to him for being Paul, and 14% to him for being not any of those other fucking republicans.

Not that those people are leftists mind you. They'd have no use for Paul if they had any tolerance for democrats.

Santorum still hasn't really faced a 'vetting', which he is getting up the ass right now. Most people will be suprised by his negatives, and it will eat into his support.

Polling numbers for the other goobers are, IMO, more realistic in terms of what support they actually have. Numbers for Santorum right now are reflecting the latest (and last) new flavor of the month.

Doesn't mean he'll go away when people do hear his flaws. Does mean his bump doesn't mean anything until after we all know he rapes children and prays to Gozer the Gozarian and has previously supported banning all forms of urination.

Things are just getting started.  

What Iowa does is irrelevant. Always has been. Huntsman is right, they pick corn in Iowa. Individual states do not pick presidents. Thanks to it's freakshow caucii, Iowa almost never nominates the winner.

Very plausible Santorum wins it, and winds up cratering and withdrawing in 2 months, and when that happens, everyone will say "Now it's a 3 man race" and somehow, someway, they'll probably still be fucking wrong.

Posted by: Entropy, and if you disagree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 30, 2011 01:05 PM (TLNYf)

141 So you advocate the reversal of the restriction on polygamy?
Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 05:52 PM (hC5jI)

I think it should be illegal. And guess what? I also do not advocate legalisation of bestiality or murder. But there shouldn't be FEDERAL laws against those things.  STATE laws do just fine.  Oh, the horrors we've endured because we haven't had a federal anti-murder or anti-dogfucking law in place for the past 200+ years!!!

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 01:06 PM (vjyZP)

142 "At least Huckabee wasn't a douchebag." Ooh, no. Huckabee was definitely a douchebag. I was a baptist at the time and my entire congregation was walking around with Huckabee shirts and bumper stickers and I still thought he was a douchebag.

Posted by: Mandy P. is hoping for a Texas miracle at December 30, 2011 01:06 PM (qFpRI)

143

"Rick Santorum?"

Pass.

Posted by: Pennsylvania voters at December 30, 2011 01:06 PM (jAqTK)

144 135 I don't give a rats ass whether he's Catholic or Mormon or Pastafarian(look it up). He's got a moral compass something sorely lacking in many politicians. His legislative record shows no signs of tyrannically imposing his own morals on the country.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 30, 2011 01:08 PM (hC5jI)

145 It's nearly 6pm EST on Friday before the holiday -- everyone -- have a drink. Or twelve.
I'd love to, but I'm stuck at work for another hour.

Posted by: Julie at December 30, 2011 01:08 PM (O/fK8)

146 Actually in Reynolds vs United States the supreme court ruled laws against polygamy were constitutional

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 05:58 PM (YdQQY)

Come on Vic, you know that Scalia already identified that Reynolds was bad law after Lawrence v Texas rejected the Bowers sodomy law ("State laws against bigamy, same sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers' validation of laws based on moral choices.")

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 01:09 PM (vjyZP)

147 Don't you all understand that ALL of legislation is to regulate behavior? Jeesh. . . . Reagan 2012

Posted by: TRexByTor at December 30, 2011 01:09 PM (kFgth)

148 damn sock..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 30, 2011 01:10 PM (UTq/I)

149 Alright, I have to get some work done. My (unattractive) secretary just left and I have to get things out before 5pm.  No more procrastinating.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 01:11 PM (vjyZP)

150 Saw someone online who described Santorum as "Angry Seinfeld." 

Any Iowa morons here?  I'm hearing that Perry is drawing large crowds at his stops, and the most recent polls suggest some momentum for him. 

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at December 30, 2011 01:11 PM (l57Cl)

151

@41: "Post a quote where Santorum says he "hates" gays or STFU, Mendez."

"I" "hate" "gays" "."

-Rick Santorum

Or did you mean all at once?

Posted by: The Media at December 30, 2011 01:12 PM (jAqTK)

152

 My (unattractive) secretary just left...

 

Your interview process needs amending.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2011 01:13 PM (0hwOL)

153 "State laws against bigamy, same sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers' validation of laws based on moral choices."

Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron with his hands full at December 30, 2011 01:14 PM (Lpgtj)

154 We just found out the wife's biopsy came back "benign."


Thank God.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 05:10 PM (niZvt)

I suspect neither you or your wife realized how much you were worrying until you found out you didn't have too.

Hold her close, life is too short to do anything else.


Posted by: An Observation at December 30, 2011 01:14 PM (ylhEn)

155 I'm not having much of a problem with that statement.

Me either. he's not arguing that the constitution has ome "morality clause" but that the basic founding principles of the nation preclude certain things. He's not arguing for a legal ban, but a moralone. He's saying its wrong.

And yes, Lawrence vs Texas requires legalizing polygamy, among other behaviors presently considered horrible and reprehensible. They just haven't been challenged yet.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 01:15 PM (r4wIV)

156 Clearly all the people who support polygamy aren't married. I have a tough enough time with one wife; why the fuck would I want another one?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 06:01 PM (nEUpB)


I think the game plan is to play them against each other.


Posted by: An Observation at December 30, 2011 01:15 PM (ylhEn)

157 I'm with Shrimp -- still hoping and praying for a Perry resurgence.  However, I am becoming more and more convinced that we will have Willard crammed down our throats come November.  Ugh.

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 01:15 PM (F8cIU)

158 Santorum f#cked up on this one. We all knew it at the time, too. It doesn't take away from his solid policy ideas and credentials.

Rick Santorum!


P.S. He only got trounced in his last Senate run because half of Pennsylvania thought they were voting for Casey's father - the one who got incredibly "lucky" and had a heart/lung replacement set quickly found ... in the back of a closet under some newspapers, evidently.

Posted by: really ... at December 30, 2011 01:16 PM (X3lox)

159 I think the game plan is to play them against each other.

Good luck with that. Even if somehow you managed to doit, all you get is a house full of angry, frustrated women. That's not going to be very fun for you. Remember Jeff Foxworthy: If she's not happy... you're not happy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 01:16 PM (r4wIV)

160 OBAMA '12!!!  I'm in!

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 05:52 PM (P6QsQ)

Okay, last comment. You certainly admire Obama's use of the strawman.  Just because I oppose Santorum does not mean I am against candidates having a moral compass.  You do realize that people can be strong, moral Christians without mandating a strong centralized government, right?  Do you think Rick Perry, for example, is a moral degenirate? What about Bachmann, or Paul (ignoring his crazy)?  Are they not as moral as Santorum?  Are they any less pro-life? Are they any less pro-marriage?  Does their willingness to pursue pro-life and pro-marriage laws through the Constitutional process, rather than a Santorum's Obama-style nationilzation bullshit fiat, make them less conservative in your mind?

BTW, I'm supporting whoever actually wrote Perry's book "Fed Up!"

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 01:17 PM (vjyZP)

161 CoolCzech, what wonderful news!  So happy for that.

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 01:17 PM (F8cIU)

162 I like Perry , but those Texans add too much Cumin to there Chili

Posted by: Jackmehoff at December 30, 2011 01:18 PM (+6LlM)

163

BTW, I'm supporting whoever actually wrote Perry's book "Fed Up!"

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 06:17 PM (vjyZP)


Fed Down!!

Posted by: Ron Paul at December 30, 2011 01:19 PM (X3lox)

164

@81: "Are we really this stupid?  Its becoming obvious the people 'at the top' are just careerists who are in it for the money.  They don't actually believe anything they say.  Its all a joke to them."

They are also statists looking to amass more power, too.  The palaver that they throw to the voters about conservative values, limited government, fiscal responsibility - yeah, they think that is a joke.  They are deadly serious when talking about expanding the reach and control of the gummint, though.  They're just collectivists who believe in a less-unbalanced budget than the Democrats.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 30, 2011 01:20 PM (jAqTK)

165 I don't give a crap about Santorum's social-con posture. All I care about is that he lost his last election by almost 20 points. I realize the ABR wing is running out of candidates to lurch to, but come on.

Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2011 01:21 PM (DsHk0)

166 Allow me to make a mild, half-hearted, grudging, unenthusiastic defense of Rick Santorum. He is smart, he is a genuine foreign policy wonk, he is a staunch Catholic (I'm not a Catholic but I admire his consistency), and he is usually quick on his feet. Santorum's problem is that he's that kid in high school you just wanted to smack upside the head because he was such a freakin' prissy-assed teacher's pet. Compared to the SCAOMF he's Abraham Freakin' Lincoln, but he's definitely not a guy you would have a beer with.

Posted by: joncelli at December 30, 2011 01:22 PM (+MbqG)

167 @162: thanks, Peaches! I can't describe the feeling of relief.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 01:23 PM (niZvt)

168

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 05:40 PM (niZvt)

Great to hear!

Posted by: ErikW at December 30, 2011 01:23 PM (Qc5SU)

169 168 Wow,good news.God Bless,CC.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2011 01:24 PM (7WJOC)

170 Great news CoolCzech!

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 30, 2011 01:25 PM (h6mPj)

171 he's that kid in high school you just wanted to smack upside the head

That.

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 01:25 PM (F8cIU)

172

Compared to the SCAOMF he's George Washington Abraham Freakin' Lincoln, but he's definitely not a guy you would have a beer with.

fixed by a lunatic

Posted by: Glen Beck at December 30, 2011 01:25 PM (0hwOL)

173 So redstate and AoS put me some ed-jew-k-shun. I denounce any support I gave to Rick Santorum. I still think he's more pro life than the next guy. But, he's hardly an outsider. He begins to smell like a split the vote gingrich ploy from '94.

Rick are you and newty still best of buds?


Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at December 30, 2011 01:25 PM (Q1qy3)

Posted by: CAIR at December 30, 2011 01:26 PM (jAqTK)

175 I wish this was the ONT so I could make some real Santorum observations.  Like possible running mates and such.  Another S word comes to mind.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at December 30, 2011 01:27 PM (dTtwh)

176 Again, thank you ALL for the kind words; you guys are great.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 01:27 PM (niZvt)

177 Pennsylvania Voter here - After Rick Santorum went with the Specter endorsement, he became dead to me politically. Sure, he's a better hunter than Kerry. Sure, Rick drives a pick-em up truck. Sure, Rick would drive the Left until they were santoruming at the mouth. BUT ... he endorsed Arlen. . Pass.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 30, 2011 01:28 PM (h6mPj)

178

@137: "1. He was a Senator. In. The. United. States. Congress."

And while in Congress, he won the not-quite-coveted "No Rocket Scientist" Award, meaning that he was a stand-out ignoramus amid 535 half-wits.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 30, 2011 01:28 PM (jAqTK)

179 Santorum is conservative enough but he is a boring uberwimp who got thrown out of the senate.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2011 01:28 PM (7WJOC)

180 We just found out the wife's biopsy came back "benign."


Thank God.
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 05:10 PM (niZvt)

Like everyone else, I am so very, very happy for you!

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:29 PM (mKMj1)

181

CC give her a big motorboat hug from the morons.

submitted for approval

 

 

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2011 01:31 PM (0hwOL)

182 Let's not get Rick Rolled, shall we?

CoolCzech, happy, happy news! You and your wife must be so relieved.

Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 30, 2011 01:32 PM (7GfKM)

183 CC that is great news.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 01:32 PM (YdQQY)

184 Ace, you're getting nearly as lazy as our Presidint. Two-word posts?...Cheeky monkey.

Posted by: Fortunata at December 30, 2011 01:33 PM (90H1N)

185 After Rick Santorum went with the Specter endorsement, he became dead to me politically. Does this really sum up why people don't like Santorum? I never considered him because I didn't figure him to be a viable candidate, always polling at like, one percent all the time, so I'm not overly familiar with his policy stances and record.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Supports Rick Perry's Hair for President at December 30, 2011 01:34 PM (3tRAa)

186 Oh please!  Nominate that Wahhabi Christian Santorum!

You know he the most Christ like of the GOP candidates!

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 01:34 PM (z0HdK)

187 Excellent CC

Posted by: sickinmass at December 30, 2011 01:34 PM (1rflU)

188

The problem isn't solved by choosing any of these Rino's over another, its solved by hiring in legislatures that won't send him shit sandwiches for lunch. Santrum would be better than SCOAMF. And he puts a serious hurt on SCOAMF when he critiques his presidency.

Posted by: Jimmah at December 30, 2011 01:35 PM (TMeYE)

189 Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 06:34 PM (z0HdK)

Interesting comment...in a "I like to throw out half-baked shit because I think it makes me sound clever" way.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 01:36 PM (nEUpB)

190 Clarence is here?  I don't like Clarence.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 01:37 PM (P6QsQ)

191 People are shooting off fireworks tonight early. Ans some of them are damned loud so they aren't legal fireworks.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 01:37 PM (YdQQY)

192 Ace: I'm on vacation.

From Ace's Dictionary of What I Really Mean When I Say...: No 3,000 word movie reviews for you, today!

'Rons and 'Ronettes: Hooray!

Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 30, 2011 01:37 PM (7GfKM)

193

Is this really supposed to be any worse than Perry's "heartless" comment?

 

Posted by: Nate at December 30, 2011 01:38 PM (BBlzg)

194 Oh please!  Nominate that Wahhabi Christian Santorum!

You know he the most Christ like of the GOP candidates!

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 06:34 PM (z0HdK)

I haven't been around much today but I'm guessing that was the stupidest comment so far.

Posted by: ErikW at December 30, 2011 01:39 PM (Qc5SU)

195 194 People are shooting off fireworks tonight early. Ans some of them are damned loud so they aren't legal fireworks.
Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 06:37 PM (YdQQY)

I thought SC had an "anything goes" policy toward fireworks. After all, what else would draw people to visit South of the Border?

Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 30, 2011 01:39 PM (7GfKM)

196 I don't like Clarence.

Nobody does.  However, much like our team mascot, the esteemed honey badger, Clarence doesn't seem to give a shit.

And, yeah, didn't Ace tell us last night that he was taking today off?  Apparently he loves us and can't stand to be away from all our juicy goodness.

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 01:40 PM (F8cIU)

197 Any Iowa morons here?  I'm hearing that Perry is drawing large crowds at his stops, and the most recent polls suggest some momentum for him.

He ain't out of it yet.

Posted by: Samuel Adams, pimping for Perry. at December 30, 2011 01:41 PM (yGl9Q)

198 After all, what else would draw people to visit South of the Border?

Posted by: Jeremiad was a Bullfrog at December 30, 2011 06:39 PM (7GfKM)

No there are some State laws as well as federal laws. Federal law actually banned the old cherry bombs and M-80s. 

Another one of those "do-gooder" nanny things not covered by the Constitution.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 01:42 PM (YdQQY)

199 I like the Clarence guy in "It's a Wonderful Life", but I don't think this one is him.  If we could arrange a trade, I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 01:42 PM (P6QsQ)

200 Oh, you guys love me!

I am the secular liberal Buffett type capitalist you love to hate!

and I will answer your questions honestly.

Huntsman scares me - he is pro-science, worldly, a free trader and has a picture perfect family.

Do NOT nominate Jon Huntsman!

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 01:42 PM (z0HdK)

201

Good luck with that. Even if somehow you managed to doit, all you get is a house full of angry, frustrated women. That's not going to be very fun for you. Remember Jeff Foxworthy: If she's not happy... you're not happy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 06:16 PM (r4wIV)

I believe the harem game plan is to keep them angry at each other - not at you. Pimps seem to be really good at that. Of course if you are anything other than purely evil it is not going to work out - but there are a lot of things in life that are that way. For example nobody here could be Eric Holder; our hands would involuntarily strangle our own throats out of revulsion if we even tried.


Posted by: An Observation at December 30, 2011 01:43 PM (ylhEn)

202 good news Cool Czech! Glad to hear it!

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 01:44 PM (nOFwj)

203 Would you vote for Huntsman, Clarence?

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 01:45 PM (P6QsQ)

204 Rick Santorum?

WTF is with you Perry and Gingrich supporters lately? There's nothing worse in that commericial then what comes out of both Perry and Gingrich's mouth damn near on a weekly basis. Yet Santorum and Bachmann, neither of whom will win the nomination, seem to fair game for ridicule. I don't get it.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 01:46 PM (GZitp)

205 Huntsman scares me - he is pro-science, worldly, a free trader and has a picture perfect family.

Do NOT nominate Jon Huntsman!

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 06:42 PM (z0HdK)


Huntsman won't get within a pubic hair of 1 % of the vote for the rest of the primary season. We know Huntsman, he's a fucking plant by the Dems. Run along Clarice or Clarence or whatever the fuck your name is.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 30, 2011 01:47 PM (yGl9Q)

206 I just checked in over at The Other McCain's - he's got pictures of Santorum drowning in a sea of press, but there's a good picture of a champion dog, so I guess it all works out.

Yes, it's a breed I'd never heard of, the Treeing Walker Coondog. I'm reading about it on the AKC site.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:47 PM (mKMj1)

207 he is pro-science

I never know what to make of that statement.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 01:47 PM (P6QsQ)

208 Treeing Walker Coondog


Beautiful dog.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 01:48 PM (P6QsQ)

209 #163 - Better Cumin than cinnamon. Had a Midwestern friend make me chili one year. Called it "Cinncinati Chili" and it had cinnamon in it!! Yuck!

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 01:49 PM (nOFwj)

210 re: Clarence.. Are you Morons being punked by undead? Ummmmm..

Posted by: sickinmass at December 30, 2011 01:49 PM (1rflU)

211

Everyone outside of Texas:  Rick Santorum, yeah he's pretty conservative relative the rest of the bunch.

Texans:  Rick Santorum is threatening the coronation of Rick Perry therefore he is a liberal.

GOP establishment:  Rick Santorum might hurt Mitt Romney therefore we better start digging stuff up in his past to start making his numbers go down.

Posted by: doug at December 30, 2011 01:50 PM (gUGI6)

212 #196: People choose what upsets them beyond bearing and what they can put up with. Santorum has the unfortunate position of being a social conservative and some, particularly libertarians, cannot abide that, no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 01:50 PM (r4wIV)

213
212

Oh, lord, you just reminded me of the time some hapless grad student's wife  had us all over for lasagna.  Yup, her "secret ingredient" was cinnamon.  Much eye-rolling ensued . . .

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 01:50 PM (F8cIU)

214 I hope Perry wins it. He has a big organization. Praying. I want to vote for president next year with the family. We cant if romney's the nominee.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2011 01:52 PM (FKQng)

215 I don't find an endorsement, even one as crappy as this one was, disqualifying in and of itself.  But I don't see a positive case being made for a Rick Santorum presidency from his supporters.  If you have one, state it. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 01:52 PM (5H6zj)

216 Cincinatti Chili has chocolate in it too. They put freakin' spaghetti into it in some places. May as well take a giant crap in the pot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 01:52 PM (r4wIV)

217 211 Treeing Walker Coondog


Beautiful dog.
Posted by: mama winger

Definitely.

I'm not big on hounds - they don't really suit my life, and I can't give them the running they need - but that's a fine looking animal.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:52 PM (mKMj1)

218

@214

The thing is that he does have flaws, but they are pretty darn similar to any of the other candidates in the field. So why the pile on in comparison to someone like Huntsman or Bachmann?

Posted by: Nate at December 30, 2011 01:52 PM (BBlzg)

219

Doesn't matter.  Using the new 'Perry Rule' that we can only blame candidates for doing dumb things if we don't do dumb stuff occasionally ourselves, Santorum is flawless.

---

The truth is that Santorum has no experience running anything, which should disqualify him to be President of the frickin' US of A.

Of the three guys that do have experience running big stuff, one acts like he doesn't want to be President and the other two act like they don't want to be Republicans.  So, yeah.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 01:53 PM (epBek)

220 >>Again, thank you ALL for the kind words; you guys are great.Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 06:27 PM (niZvt)

I flunked out of Kind Words. 

Good News OTOH, feel free to keep hittin' me bruddah.

I could get enthusiastically into a remedial course in that stuff. It's been awhile.....

Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2011 01:55 PM (HBqDo)

221 CoolCzech, great news!

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 01:55 PM (s7mIC)

222 Oh, lord, you just reminded me of the time some hapless grad student's wife  had us all over for lasagna.  Yup, her "secret ingredient" was cinnamon.

OK, I think I can beat that one.

When I was in grad school my advisor carried on an affair with his (also married) Chinese postdoc.  She was pretty clueless about American things, including in the kitchen.  I guess he had raved about some sweet bread that contained raisins and nuts (slivered almonds), but failed to mention to her the key ingredients so when she went to replicate it as a special treat for him (and the lab, regrettably) she used raisins, but substituted the almonds for what she thought was in the bread (based on what it looked like) -- garlic cloves!

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 01:55 PM (5H6zj)

223 is that true?

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at December 30, 2011 06:53 PM (qjUnn)

You bet it is! -LSM

Romneys in for it.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2011 01:56 PM (FKQng)

224 Ha! The Treeing Walker Coonhound is clearly a boyscout among dogs! From the breed standard:

The Treeing Walker coonhound is alert, intelligent, active, courteous, and courageous with extreme endurance and the desire to perform.


Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 01:57 PM (mKMj1)

225 That little "which candidate do you match up with" quiz that got posted here a couple weeks ago. I got Santorum as my guy. So why don't I support Santorum for President? Because he's a weasel, that's why. So not just no, but heck no! (I almost used a bad word on the internet there)

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 01:57 PM (Gc/Qi)

226 222 Just read somewhere else that there is polygamy in Romney's family..

is that true?
  Uhm, duh.  I'm pretty sure either his granddad or great-granddad would have been a cohab.   Just looked it up.  It was his great-grandfather and 2-greats-grandfather.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 01:57 PM (epBek)

227 Posted by: ErikW at December 30, 2011 06:39 PM (Qc5SU)

Well, you had a doozy last night...


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at December 30, 2011 01:58 PM (nEUpB)

228 @222
Yes.

He is also cousin to Jon Huntsman. 

There's a site (I think put together by some LDS group) that does a genealogy report of all of the candidates.  Gives you some insight into the culture.  It's also sort of funny how they handled Cain's genealogy. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 01:59 PM (5H6zj)

229 ClarenceSantorum's problem is that he's that kid in high school you just wanted to smack upside the head because he was such a freakin' prissy-assed teacher's pet.

Fixed that for myself.

Posted by: joncelli at December 30, 2011 02:00 PM (+MbqG)

230

I guess it's because I can be pretty ascerbic and stand my ground in the face of popular opinion on issues I care about in the face of popular opposition (more so than is usual): I like Santorum's personality. Always have.

I think he's a smart, sincere man, hardworking, etc.

I DON'T like his religious fundementalism, which far excedes Rick Perry's. But overall I'd be happier with Santorum than Bachman or Romney, and I think people make too much of Santorum losing in PA during a horrible year for Republicans (2006).

So my feelings on Santorum are mixed, yet I always thought he should be considered a credible candidate even though I was apparently near alone in this.

Posted by: Random at December 30, 2011 02:00 PM (YiE0S)

231 222 Just read somewhere else that there is polygamy in Romney's family..

is that true? Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp

Probably. The family's been Mormon for quite a long time, and polygamy wasn't eschewed by the main LDS church until about 1890 or so.

There's whole fascinating books about how the state of Utah managed the records of polygamous births and marriages in the aftermath - it was a beautiful example of the state compassionately ignoring anything but the support and care of families.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 02:01 PM (mKMj1)

232

(what a horrible opening sentence: should proofread: oh well)

Posted by: Random at December 30, 2011 02:01 PM (YiE0S)

233 Actually, why not legalize polygamy?  What is the argument for keeping it illegal?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:01 PM (s7mIC)

234 someway, they'll probably still be fucking wrong.

And that's the truth, pffffffft.

Posted by: Zombie FDR at December 30, 2011 02:02 PM (8YoL4)

235 Gee, Ace, I'm for Perry too, but do you sincerely think this is relevant to now? We're going to trash Santorum for being a good soldier in a context wholly different from today's?

Yes, his having endorsed Specter was irksome then, as it is now. But are you going to disqualify him for it? I mean geez, you were railing against "purity Republicans" not so long ago.

Santorum had his strategic reasons for doing this, as explained in the comments above; you can agree or disagree with them, but you should at least bring them up. Otherwise, it's just a cheap shot.

At a certain point, we have to stop throwing feces at the other candidates and start advocating for our choices positively. At this rate, whoever does win is going to be so muddied-up that he will have little chance of winning.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at December 30, 2011 02:03 PM (fjoLg)

236 off sock~!

Posted by: jeanne, sockette at December 30, 2011 02:03 PM (8YoL4)

237 I like Perry , but those Texans add too much Cumin to there Chili

It's almost impossible to add too much cumin to chili.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 30, 2011 02:03 PM (SY2Kh)

238 238 Actually, why not legalize polygamy?  What is the argument for keeping it illegal?
Posted by: chemjeff

Generally? The problem has always been that it means young girls with no control over their lives being sold to older men.

Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 02:04 PM (mKMj1)

239 238 Actually, why not legalize polygamy?  What is the argument for keeping it illegal?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 07:01 PM (s7mIC)


Yeah, so you have a bunch of proponents for same sex marriage going to try and use polygamy as a club against Romney. Figure that one out.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 02:05 PM (GZitp)

240 The Brits are having a devil of a time with their welfare system and the polygamous marriages of their Muslims.  I think it's bankrupting the system (further).  (Too lazy to re-find the links, but you should be able to find articles about this at pretty neutral sites.)

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 02:05 PM (5H6zj)

241 It's almost impossible to add too much cumin to chili.

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at December 30, 2011 02:06 PM (fjoLg)

242 Hey I freely admit, as a Canuck just visiting, that I have no horse in the US PERPETUAL election machine. But golly folks, are you not all completely depressed at this point with the awful choices that the Republicans are offering up here ? President Obama should be all historical measurements be done like dinner at this stage. He has run an awful administration, even if you might happen to agree with some of his policies. But I sincerely feel that in 2012, somehow the Republicans are going to be completely capable of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. You can't beat something with nothing and nothing is a kind description of the current goods on offer. Not one of them can likely beat this guy. What does that say about the state of the alternative to Obama in America ? I don't think it says much good.

Posted by: Dougf at December 30, 2011 02:07 PM (kF9Hy)

243 130 Where in the Constitution does it allow the feds to ban polygamy?

Actually in Reynolds vs United States the supreme court ruled laws against polygamy were constitutional
They ruled that laws against polygamy don't violate the First Amendment.  They never ruled that the Constitution grants Congress some kind of power to regulate polygamy in general.  The law at issue in Reynolds only applied to the territories, not to the states.  Under the Constitution, Congress has authority to pass laws for the territories.   Congress can legally say that polygamous marriages aren't eligible for marriage tax credits or, for federal employees, spousal benefits, but I doubt Congress could legally ban polygamy throughout the US.  That's up to the states.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:07 PM (epBek)

244 It's almost impossible to add too much cumin to chili.

Posted by: Hollowpoint

 

Because if you're sane, you don't add any.

Pinto beans, meat, onions, green chile, red chile, salt.  Done.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:08 PM (epBek)

245 Please nominate Santorum!

He brought his wife's dead fetus home to "meet" the other siblings.

Of course you right-wing Wahhibists love that kind of shit.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:09 PM (z0HdK)

246

@240

I think the bigger thing about this is that can Ace really say with a straight face that he thinks anyone else in the field if they were in Santorum's shoes would have endorsed Arlen over Toomey? Would Toomey have even endorsed a GOP challenger over an incumbent if Toomey was a sitting US Senator?

Posted by: Nate at December 30, 2011 02:09 PM (BBlzg)

247

@251

You obviously know nothing about grieving over a stillbirth or miscarriage.

Posted by: Nate at December 30, 2011 02:10 PM (BBlzg)

248 Having long ago abandoned their credibility, the anti-Romney hysterics are now jettisoning their dignity with "polygamy by proxy" garbage. Character always shows itself.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 30, 2011 02:10 PM (hiMsy)

249 And yes, Lawrence vs Texas requires legalizing polygamy, among other behaviors presently considered horrible and reprehensible. They just haven't been challenged yet. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 06:15 PM Exactly. That was the main point of Justice Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v Texas. The decision was based on essentially striking down Bowers v Hardwick. He noted that there are many laws on the books which were/are based on the decision in Bowers. The decision in Lawrence set the precedent to strike down plenty of other laws based on the Bowers decision. So, as many social conservatives stated at the time, the Lawrence decision was the beginning of the slippery slope. Once Lawrence was decided, that opened up every other law to be challenged, beginning with same-sex marriage and DADT. The GLBT crowd at the time (2003) scoffed at that 'slippery slope' argument and called Scalia and social conservatives paranoid. But, since then, social conservatives and Justice Scalia have been proven correct.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2011 02:11 PM (vUK/h)

250 Actually, why not legalize polygamy?  What is the argument for keeping it illegal?

Posted by: chemjeff

We prefer men to settle down and get married, even if they aren't rich.  A society where the rich and powerful have several wives and the young and mediocre are left out in the cold isn't all that stable or awesome.  At least not if the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa that I know is the same one you are familiar with.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:12 PM (epBek)

251 Why don't you run Ace? Christ Almighty, Jerry Seinfeld was less picky about girlfriends than you are about candidates.

Posted by: Malcolm_Tent at December 30, 2011 02:12 PM (2A3EB)

252 I think the challenge is that our founding fathers actually believed some things were self-evident.  They did not anticipate the attack on common sense that we have today.  For example, if they met Chastity Bono they would think she was a woman.  It would never occur to them that she could have a medical procedure done and be declared a man.

BTW, when that happens, what does it do to blood testing that happens at crime scenes?  If someone is genetically female (XX) but declared by a court to be a male (XY) does that  mean she can never be a suspect if the blood at a crime scene is XX? 

Anyway, I don't think they ever thought there would be a time that moral conventions would shift to such an extent that polygamy or gay marriage or mercy killings were even an option.  So I am not too hot and bothered by the idea of constitutional amendments to put down on paper what I think our society has already defined to be true.  It's stupid we have to do it, but that's where we are. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 02:12 PM (5H6zj)

253 Please nominate Santorum!

He brought his wife's dead fetus home to "meet" the other siblings.

Of course you right-wing Wahhibists love that kind of shit.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 07:09 PM (z0HdK)


Clarence wants to live in a state where it's legal for him to get his ass fucked by a male horse. Gee, sodomy and bestiality in one state, how Progressive.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 30, 2011 02:13 PM (yGl9Q)

254 257 Why don't you run Ace? Christ Almighty, Jerry Seinfeld was less picky about girlfriends than you are about candidates.

Posted by: Malcolm_Tent

 

He supports Perry.  I wouldn't call Ace picky.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:14 PM (epBek)

255 Oh yeah - Lawrence vs. Texas.

People have no right to engage in free personal sexual conduct in their own home.  That is why you right-wing nutjobs will lose in the long run.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:15 PM (z0HdK)

256 254 Having long ago abandoned their credibility, the anti-Romney hysterics are now jettisoning their dignity with "polygamy by proxy" garbage. Character always shows itself.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 30, 2011 07:10 PM (hiMsy)

----

Where do you see that?  All I saw was a question asked and answered. 


Incidentally, the Mormons I know are quite open about their polygamous ancestors.  And obviously Mitt isn't ashamed of it.  So why are you? 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 02:15 PM (5H6zj)

257 Have I mentioned that I love cock?

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:16 PM (/0HuL)

258 Still hoping Perry can get some traction. I hate that the nation might let a few hack TV comedians dictate that any GOP candidate is "too dumb" It doesn't get any dumber than 57 states, "I don't speak Austrian", ..... I don't know if the MFM gets giddy at Romeny poll gains because they think he'll find a way to pay for the crap the P/R/O team shoved down our throats or because they figure they can get Barry a 2nd term against Mitt but either way, --if the MFM wants him I dont. I know they are the enemy.

Posted by: palerider at December 30, 2011 02:17 PM (dkExz)

259 I've had lots of personal sexual contact with cock.  But it's Ronald Reagan's fault I have AIDS.

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:17 PM (/0HuL)

260

Yeah, the fact that Romney had a polyg great-Granddad won't and shouldn't matter to anybody.

Everybody has polygamists in their family tree.  Some of just know their names and dates is all.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:18 PM (epBek)

261 People have no right to engage in free personal sexual conduct in their own home.  That is why you right-wing nutjobs will lose in the long run.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 07:15 PM (z0HdK)


Hey Clarice, I'm heterosexual, married, and very conservative. My wife and I do engage in sodomy in the privacy of our own bedroom and I have never complained yet.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 30, 2011 02:18 PM (yGl9Q)

262 My family tree doesn't branch.

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:18 PM (/0HuL)

263

Because if you're sane, you don't add any.

Pinto beans, meat, onions, green chile, red chile, salt.  Done.

Wow, that's a highly idiosyncratic view of chili. For one thing, mixing red and green chiles is like wearing brown shoes with a blue suit. For another thing, beans are optional, and prepared separately.

Perhaps your tastes are dictated by a very specific local tradition?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at December 30, 2011 02:19 PM (fjoLg)

264 "Take it like a man Clarence, quit squealing like a bitch!"

Posted by: The Horse at December 30, 2011 02:20 PM (yGl9Q)

265 I'm not "ashamed" of anything. I just call lowball garbage as I see it. Did you know Rick Perry is white and white people once owned slaves? It's about as relevant.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 30, 2011 02:20 PM (uIz80)

266 Well, my formatting went all to Hell there.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at December 30, 2011 02:20 PM (fjoLg)

267 My tastes are dictated by dick.

See what I did there?

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:20 PM (/0HuL)

268 They never ruled that the Constitution grants Congress some kind of power to regulate polygamy in general.

I did not say that it did. I said that they ruled laws against polygamy were Constitutional. In fact, that case specifically stated that all the States at the time had some kind of law against it.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 02:20 PM (YdQQY)

269 C'mon, you nutjobs talk about freedom all the time.

Why is freedom restricted to just marital missionary style sex?

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:21 PM (z0HdK)

270 @266
Family trees are a big thing in LDS culture.  Every third person we meet here wants to do our family tree for us. 

It's not my favorite aspect of the culture because it feels sort of like a fixation of royal lineages that seems European to me, but I guess it's really not much different than the fixation many New Englanders have with who came over on the Mayflower or some Southerners have to tracing their lineage to a famous Confederate general. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 02:22 PM (5H6zj)

271 If I want to have sex with random men through a glory hole, and you know I do, that's my right!

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:22 PM (/0HuL)

272 I got a burrito once that apparently had been filled with Dinty Moore Stew. I about threw up after the first bite.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 02:23 PM (r4wIV)

273 261 Oh yeah - Lawrence vs. Texas. People have no right to engage in free personal sexual conduct in their own home.  That is why you right-wing nutjobs will lose in the long run. ---------------------------- That's fine Clarence, but why do so many gay men choose to have sex in public places?

Posted by: Brian Fantana at December 30, 2011 02:23 PM (+o7Q1)

274 271 I'm not "ashamed" of anything. I just call lowball garbage as I see it. Did you know Rick Perry is white and white people once owned slaves? It's about as relevant.
-------
I reject your premise that there was hate-filled ranting against Romney over the polygamy thing, but your analogy is not very strong.  If Texas still had communities that practiced slavery, the way Utah has (and tolerates) polygamous communities, then maybe I'd buy it. 

Posted by: Y-not at December 30, 2011 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

275 @252

Good point. The thing is that the situation has changed drastically since then, and if we're going to judge everyone against today's standards without context we will eliminate virtually all electable candidates.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at December 30, 2011 02:25 PM (fjoLg)

276 279 ??????

Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2011 02:26 PM (HBqDo)

277 Can I just say, as a Perry supporter, whenever the question gets asked: Santorum? Romney? Cain? Bachmann? And so on and so forth, every time I answer "no," people seem to take that as meaning I'm being unreasonable or critical of your guy/gal (or in case of Romney, whichever suits him/her best at that given moment)... oops, that was probably not nice. Sorry. I'd vote for Santorum in the general, I've even committed to holding my nose and voting for the unvetted Romney, but until he's not there anymore, I'm sticking with Perry. If you think he's dumb and/or I'm dumb for supporting him, I really don't care.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 02:26 PM (Gc/Qi)

278 The thing is that the situation has changed drastically since then, and if we're going to judge everyone against today's standards without context we will eliminate virtually all electable candidates.

Does that mean I have a chance of running again?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 30, 2011 02:27 PM (yGl9Q)

279 244 238 Actually, why not legalize polygamy? What is the argument for keeping it illegal? Posted by: chemjeff Generally? The problem has always been that it means young girls with no control over their lives being sold to older men. Posted by: Dianna at December 30, 2011 07:04 PM I have also read the argument based on the Muslim nations example: when you have many women with one man, that leaves many men without a partner. And when you have a society of lots of men without marriage or dating partners, it leads to bad things... lack of sex, jealousy, resentment, anger, etc. And then that leads to those men experiencing those bad emotions to be taken advantage of by those wanting to use them to do bad things. In the case of Muslim countries, it's terrorism. In the case of bringing polygamy to America, I'm not sure what it would be. But I know I don't want to find out, considering the bad track record other places.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2011 02:27 PM (vUK/h)

280  <I>  That's fine Clarence, but why do so many gay men choose to have sex in public places?  <I/>

There are laws against public sex - hetero or homo.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:28 PM (z0HdK)

281 Y-not ancestry search is part of the Mormon religion because of certain covenants regarding baptismal records etc.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 02:30 PM (YdQQY)

282 Y-not, no one mentioned "hate filled rantings" at all. Not me, not anyone. Not on this thread or any other I can remember. Take a break from the voices in your head.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 30, 2011 02:31 PM (hiMsy)

283 @266
Family trees are a big thing in LDS culture.  Every third person we meet here wants to do our family tree for us. 

It's not my favorite aspect of the culture because it feels sort of like a fixation of royal lineages that seems European to me, but I guess it's really not much different than the fixation many New Englanders have with who came over on the Mayflower or some Southerners have to tracing their lineage to a famous Confederate general. 

Posted by: Y-not

 

That's not why Mormons do genealogy.  I think you'll find that Mormons are pretty proud of all their ancestors, not just the illustrious ones.  Most of us don't have illustrious ancestors, frankly.  Most of mine were Scotch-Irish brawling ne'er-do-wells.  And polygamists, of course.

 

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:31 PM (epBek)

284 The voices in my head love cock too.

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 02:31 PM (/0HuL)

285 Clarence, what hours do you work on your paid Astroturf job? Does Axelrod offer more than minimum wage? Does he pay workers comp in case you get cramps or carpel tunnel from typing? Does he give out daily talking points or is it only weekly?

Thanks for posting - I don't think that I have said how grateful I am for people who are less intelligent than I am; if it weren't for people like you I would be the stupidest person on the planet. Thank you for saving me from that.

 

Posted by: An Observation at December 30, 2011 02:33 PM (ylhEn)

286 There are laws against public sex - hetero or homo.
Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 07:28 PM


Is that what you got arrested for last time, or was it that other thing again?

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 02:33 PM (P6QsQ)

287 Did you know Rick Perry is white and white people once owned slaves? It's about as relevant.
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I reject your premise that there was hate-filled ranting against Romney over the polygamy thing, but your analogy is not very strong.  If Texas still had communities that practiced slavery, the way Utah has (and tolerates) polygamous communities, then maybe I'd buy it. 

Posted by: Y-not

 

Of course its strong.  The fact that Perry may (or may not) have had slaveholding ancestors a few generations back has no bearing on Perry.  The fact that Romney had polygamist ancestors has no bearing on Romney.  The end.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 30, 2011 02:33 PM (epBek)

288 The fact that my ancestors were heavily into potatoes and whiskey has, I must admit......

Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2011 02:38 PM (HBqDo)

289 Why does the right love dictating what others should and should not do?

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 02:38 PM (E8wxM)

290 Why does the right love dictating what others should and should not do?

You mean like what kind of light bulbs I have to buy and how much salt I eat?  Or whether  I can have a Happy Meal with a toy in it? Or order French Fries for my granddaughter?  Or whether or not I can smoke in the park? Or  how much tax money I have to give to Planned Parenthood? Or whether my nephew's team can pray before a football game? 

I dunno.  Good question.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 02:43 PM (P6QsQ)

291 I say most of the right are in the deep throes of repression, hence the need for God and a way, not very effective I might add, to wash away the self imposed guilt. Grow up.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 02:44 PM (E8wxM)

292 I dunno.  Good question.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 07:43 PM (P6QsQ)

Heh, well played, mama! 

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2011 02:47 PM (F8cIU)

293 "297 Why does the right love dictating what others should and should not do?

You mean like what kind of light bulbs I have to buy and how much salt I eat?  Or whether  I can have a Happy Meal with a toy in it? Or order French Fries for my granddaughter?  Or whether or not I can smoke in the park? Or  how much tax money I have to give to Planned Parenthood? Or whether my nephew's team can pray before a football game? 

I dunno.  Good question."

Stupids, once again comparing grenades to atom bombs.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 02:47 PM (E8wxM)

294 Comparing light bulbs to sex rights?

And it was during the Bushpig's years the light bulb ban was signed.  Good ole Dumbya - the PATRIOT spy on America Act, NCLB, Medicare Welfare for Pharma, and the Home Downpayment Welfare Act.

Bush was a fucking Marxist like no other.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:51 PM (z0HdK)

295 "I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

- Barry motherfucking Goldwater

So in answer to your question: No.

Posted by: kartoffel at December 30, 2011 02:52 PM (OgNv0)

296 Stupids, once again comparing grenades to atom bombs


I see.  You get to micro-manage every inch of my life but I get to keep my mouth shut when it comes to yours.  Seems fair.

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 02:52 PM (P6QsQ)

297 Stupids, once again comparing grenades to atom bombs.

I love how people like you refuse to study history of society and culture, on what works and what doesn't. You only base your beliefs of how you "feel" at the moment and then declare others stupid. Liberalism in a nutshell.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 02:52 PM (GZitp)

298 I like Clarence, I think, from the few posts I have read. A few decent anti parrots are good for business.

They can only handle one condescending voice at a time C, one of us is sure to go...

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 02:55 PM (E8wxM)

299 This makes me sick ---

"High downpayment and closing costs represent the most significant barrier to homeownership for first-time homebuyers. The American Dream Downpayment Act will provide a maximum downpayment assistance grant of either $10,000 or six percent of the purchase price of the home, whichever is greater. In addition, the Bush Administration is committed to reforming the homebuying process that would lower closing costs by approximately $700 per loan, further stimulating homeownership for all Americans."

Bush - the Welfare Asshole like no other.

Posted by: Clarence at December 30, 2011 02:58 PM (z0HdK)

300 The right would outlaw all precepts of immorality if they could, including women with uncovered heads. God help us all.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:00 PM (E8wxM)

301 "You only base your beliefs of how you "feel" at the moment and then declare others stupid. Liberalism in a nutshell."

What about your moronic sense of "propriety"?

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:01 PM (E8wxM)

302 "307 This makes me sick ---"

JHC Clarence, its some kind of auto bot. Ignore it

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:03 PM (E8wxM)

303 What about your moronic sense of "propriety"?

Propriety is moronic? Just because you got caught whacking off in the school bathroom to a David Lee Roth picture when you were sixteen and your mommy said it was all right doesn't mean it is.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 03:07 PM (GZitp)

304 Every reduction in liberty is a loss of freedom, whether its what light bulb you can use or how much water your shower can put out, or where you can stick your wiener. The only question is where we allow government to do it and why.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 03:08 PM (r4wIV)

305 In any case the left has the lock on morality right now: its immoral to drive an SUV, its immoral to say "herd of water buffalos" its immoral to question anything a black president says or does. They're trying to run our lives, they're the new stiff-necked, grim, humorlous school marms trying to tell us every single thing we do with our lives, how we should eat, what to say, and where to go. No thanks.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 03:11 PM (r4wIV)

306 They can only handle one condescending voice at a time C, one of us is sure to go...

Let's hope.  Incidentally, I can only assume you don't know what "condescending" actually means.   But it does describe you both, as well as every other leftist, to a tee.

Posted by: Clarense at December 30, 2011 03:12 PM (/0HuL)

307 Grr.  Damn sock.

Posted by: meekrob at December 30, 2011 03:12 PM (/0HuL)

308 "Propriety is moronic?"

Yes, my two female dogs hump each other at least 2 times a day (3 to 1). Both spayed. I think its a sign of dominion of one over the other. Why isn't God (Dog, spelled backwards) cracking down on them? Am I the Dogs God and should be punishing them?

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:15 PM (E8wxM)

309 Hey Lick, animals eat their young, rape immature females, and screw everything that moves.

Does that mean we should, too? I mean, if you're going to argue that if your dogs do something that makes it okay....

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 30, 2011 03:20 PM (r4wIV)

310 Lick has got to be a sock, nobody is that dumb to argue that the mating habits of canines is comparable to human propriety.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 03:23 PM (GZitp)

311 Lickspittle formerly posted as 'Herman Cain' and rambled about how idiotic religious people are poorer and less successful than he is (the irony of posting with the name of a successful businessman of faith never penetrated the self-satisfaction).

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:27 PM (MMC8r)

312

Yeah, so you have a bunch of proponents for same sex marriage going to try and use polygamy as a club against Romney. Figure that one out.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 07:05 PM (GZitp)


B Hussein is the one whose DIRECT family was polygamous.  He's got half-brothers and half-sisters living in cardboard boxes all over the world.  That would be a cool debate ... if any of the conservatives had the guts to even mention Barky's polygamous muslim family ...

Of course, seeing how not one person has ever seen fit to even mention this truly weird fact until now doesn't nurture much hope ...

Posted by: really ... at December 30, 2011 03:29 PM (X3lox)

313 "rape immature females"

Rape? So animals can only screw legal age females that consent?

What do you think your ancestors were doing 50 thousand+- years ago?


Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:30 PM (E8wxM)

314 Stupid, stupid, stupid inbreds.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:32 PM (E8wxM)

315

Why is that whenever a thread degenerates into talk of sodomy and bestiality, the old "butt weld pipe" spambot shows up? 

It's like the "butt weld pipe" spambot and the "lace wigs" spambot are the arbiters of good-gay versus bad-gay.

Posted by: wooga at December 30, 2011 03:32 PM (vjyZP)

316
What do you think your ancestors were doing 50 thousand+- years ago?

Probably what yours are doing right now.

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:32 PM (MMC8r)

317 Rape? So animals can only screw legal age females that consent?

What do you think your ancestors were doing 50 thousand+- years ago?


Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 08:30 PM (E8wxM)

The word "No" hadn't been invented, yet, nor the concept of numeric age, so they were perfectly legal couplings.

Posted by: really ... at December 30, 2011 03:32 PM (X3lox)

318

I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.

Posted by: ebook downloads to ipad at December 30, 2011 03:35 PM (aLZ4U)

319 "The word "No" hadn't been invented, yet, nor the concept of numeric age, so they were perfectly legal couplings."

Times change. Maybe the right should change with them.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:36 PM (E8wxM)

320 Lick has got to be a sock, nobody is that dumb to argue that the mating habits of canines is comparable to human propriety.

Have you learned nothing about leftists in the last 3 years?  Or the last 40, for that matter?

Posted by: meekrob at December 30, 2011 03:38 PM (/0HuL)

321 Times change. Maybe the right should change with them.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 08:36 PM (E8wxM)

Maybe the left should just take their self-loathing, loony, nihilism to some other country (as just about every nation on Earth is closer to the left's ideal than the US - which is, of course, why the US was the greatest nation to have ever existed)?  

Why is that your problems with your father have to be expressed as hate towards everything that reminds you of him, including yourself?  That's kind of pathetic, you know ... which is exactly how you folks are going to be recordd in history - as the most pathetic generation to have ever existed on Earth.  Thanks for dragging us down with you.

Posted by: really ... at December 30, 2011 03:42 PM (X3lox)

322 Times change. Maybe the right should change with them.

Still longing for the lifestyle of feral pre-civilization tribal neanderthals who lived and rutted like dogs.  Seems you are the one who hasn't changed.  Or "evolved".

Posted by: mama winger at December 30, 2011 03:43 PM (P6QsQ)

323 "330 Times change. Maybe the right should change with them.

Still longing for the lifestyle of feral pre-civilization tribal neanderthals who lived and rutted like dogs.  Seems you are the one who hasn't changed.  Or "evolved"."

Neanderthals died out as they did not progress. Stupid conservatives are a dying breed also.

Posted by: Lick at December 30, 2011 03:45 PM (E8wxM)

324 Clarence is my butt buddy.

Posted by: Lick Cock at December 30, 2011 03:47 PM (/0HuL)

325 Stupid conservatives are a dying breed also.

Alas, there are more and more stupid leftists all the time.  Of course, there's no other kind.

Posted by: Lick Cock at December 30, 2011 03:49 PM (/0HuL)

326 Conservatives as a group give birth to multiple children and grow their families.  Leftists as a group either abort theirs, delay conception until much later ages and have fewer live births, or are in homosexual relationships that do not produce offspring,

So we'll see who's left standing at the end.  Best of luck to you.

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328 Homo relationships do produce babies. Evidence: Clarence, Lick and Obama.

Posted by: Ronster at December 30, 2011 03:52 PM (JGYCE)

329 Leftists as a group either abort theirs, delay conception until much later ages and have fewer live births, or are in homosexual relationships that do not produce offspring,

Even while the foundation of their domestic policies are based on having a growing population of people paying in to support their welfare state.  The dissonance is deafening.

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:52 PM (MMC8r)

330 DNA has made evolution self evident.

Authentic frontier gibberish.  That's like saying 'My car proves the existence of the interstate highway system.

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:53 PM (MMC8r)

331 *yawn*

Poking this troll with sharp sticks no longer amuses me. 

Next.

Posted by: meekrob at December 30, 2011 03:54 PM (/0HuL)

332 That's like saying 'My car proves the existence of the interstate highway system.

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 08:53 PM (MMC8r)


Does your car disprove the existnce of the interstate highway system?  I think not.  THerefore it proves the existence of the interstellar highway system.  Q.D.E.

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Ummm ... you ever hear of the Old Testament of the Bible? The Talmud for Jews? The Book of Mormon for Mormons? The Qu'ran for Muslims? The fact most human societies have been polygamous according to anthropologists -- and they had religions of various types?

Yes, the Pagan Romans had legal monogamy, and conquered the Jews, imposing their will and culture on "God's chosen people" by force of arms and laws for 100s of years, but seriously, you're not on sound religious ground here.

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Posted by: kadin at December 30, 2011 06:12 PM (X29+i)

347 @354  Actually in the Book of Mormon there is only one part that talks about polygamy and God was condemning its practice because the people were abusing it.  Doctrine and Covenents is where polygamy is discussed doctrinally and why it was instituted in the Old Testament.  Also honorable mention to the Hindus - they too were practitioners of polygamy.  You are spot on with the Romans - marriage had become a state issue do to the way inheritance worked amongst its citizens.  Roman influence is the main reason that we view monogamy as the norm.

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Posted by: Evan at December 30, 2011 06:21 PM (KiQ0c)

348 Rick Santorum is out of it for me because he did not get on the VA ballot.   This shows incompetence on a big level.  Running for President, you would think that you would pay attention to these not so little details.

To Rick's defense, at least he has company.  All of the "not Romneys" are also "not registered".

Posted by: Evan at December 30, 2011 06:24 PM (KiQ0c)

349 Of course, Rick Perry used to be Al Gore's Presidential campaign chairman in Texas.  I find that to be far more troubling than Santorum endorsing his fellow REPUBLICAN Senator in a primary.

Posted by: Get Real at December 30, 2011 06:51 PM (XDRsa)

350

Rick Santorum endorsing Arlen Spector? Death.

Rick Perry supporting Al Gore? WHO CARES??!!! EVERYONE DOES THAT IN THE SOUTH!!!

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