October 31, 2011

Rick Perry, "Drunk," the Critics Claim
— Ace

At the Cornerstone speech in New Hampshire. I'm including two videos: The "highlights," as cut together by opponents, and the full speech. I think the full speech, while being boring (as it doesn't just focus on the alleged drunken moments), disproves the drunk claims.

He doesn't seem drunk to me. He never slurs, and he speaks coherently. What is odd is that he's a lot sillier than usual, indulging in a teasing sort of comedic delivery. A goofy delivery in patches. Very goofy.

For what it's worthy, I don't think he should do this, because people aren't taking him very seriously at the moment, and so he doesn't need to goof it up. Maybe Romney could benefit from that sort of thing. (It's useful to play against type, but not so useful to play into type.) But Perry can't.

But drunk? Nah, just being goofy, with a teasing sort of humor that is... alas, Bush squared.

One example of that is when he discusses his Cut, Balance, and Grow plan and begins making lurching, Frankenstein/Dumb Guy hand gestures. But what he's doing, obviously, is spoofing the idea that he must have a quick bumper-sticker brand name for his plan, and is "Cut, Balance, and Grow." He's kind of leveling with the audience in noting that such branding efforts are inherently dumb, and mocking himself for going along with the required dumbness.

Drunk? Doesn't seem like it to me.

One question, though, is why is he so goofy/frisky? Talking with Ben Domenech, who's seen him this way in Austin once, he's guessing he's just tired and overdoing the "show energy" thing. The "highlights:"

The full speech:

Posted by: Ace at 09:42 AM | Comments (317)
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1

O-ree-on? Is that correct?

Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 09:44 AM (4pSIn)

2 Oh, and Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 09:44 AM (4pSIn)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 09:44 AM (8y9MW)

4 HOLD  FAST

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 09:45 AM (GTbGH)

5

One question, though, is why is he so goofy/frisky?

Is it bad for candidates to have moods?

Posted by: Mama AJ at October 31, 2011 09:45 AM (XdlcF)

6 My thread. Mine.

Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 09:45 AM (4pSIn)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: YIKES! at October 31, 2011 09:45 AM (70TBD)

8 Ga! Can you find that video of Herman Cain singing his response at the National Press Club?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 09:46 AM (rJVPU)

9 It could have been the tranquilizer darts.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 09:46 AM (GTbGH)

10

I bet he's drunk from that foul working-class swill called beer, and not the elegant, sophisticated wine I'm drinking now, without any butter at all in it.

No, sir.  No butter in my wine.

Posted by: David Frum at October 31, 2011 09:46 AM (zgHLA)

11 Now will you take that God-awful picture of Chaz Bozo off the side of the main page. Yeesh!!!

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at October 31, 2011 09:46 AM (HpT9p)

12

That's not drunk. 

You wanna see drunk?

Posted by: Max Baucus at October 31, 2011 09:47 AM (5eVSI)

13 I didn't see, and I don't care.

I've said it before and will again: I'll do my judging based on record, among Cain/Perry/Romney only one has any resembling a consistent, conservative political/policy record.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 09:47 AM (8y9MW)

14 Basically, except for Romney, everyone in the GOP field is a mini-SCOAMGOPC

(C=candidate).

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 31, 2011 09:47 AM (dij/b)

15 I think it's my computer-nevermind-these vids aren't loading either.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 09:47 AM (rJVPU)

16 I'm not very Perry, and Mitt ain't the schizznit. I ain't on the Cain train. I'm pulling the Newt chute!

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (LEcV+)

17 My $$$ is on painkillers.

Dopey. Just dopey.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (pLTLS)

18 Does anybody seriously believe Perry was DRUNK?  I thought the charge was that he might be a little goofy from the painkillers used to treat his back ailments.

Either way, as silly as this speech was, it doesn't actually hurt my opinion of him.  Actually sorta made me like him a bit more.  But practically speaking I don't know it's the image he wants to be sending out right now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (hIWe1)

19 One question, though, is why is he so goofy/frisky?

Tired and on painkillers

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (d6QMz)

20 Rick, you could have slain the coyote of Obamaism; instead, you took pot shots at the stop sign of fame. Or something. Anyway, I'm resigning myself to the Mitterator.

Posted by: joncelli at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (RD7QR)

21

I'm pulling the Newt chute!

 

brb...

Posted by: Barney Frank at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (5eVSI)

22
We've entered the Shameless stage in our nation's history.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (sqkOB)

23 I ain't on the Cain train. I'm pulling the Newt chute!

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 02:48 PM (LEcV+)

From the front or the back?

Posted by: KG at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (LD21B)

24 Drunk? Doesn't seem like it to me.

I say this is a big question because I heard about this stuff a month ago, and I didn't hear about two incidences. I heard about many more.

I did not have detailed information, certainly nothing publishable. But I heard there was a long and numerous history here.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Breaker19 aka Rich Little at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (yRoVn)

25 It doesn't matter whether he was or not. It will become a "I can see Russia from my house" moment for the MFM.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (YdQQY)

26 Is he still taking pain killers for his back?

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 31, 2011 09:49 AM (K7Gb2)

27 Romney spiked his water.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 09:50 AM (IqM9e)

28 Sure, it's important that Perry be as humorless and staid as possible because that's what got him in the lead and kept...oops.

Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 09:50 AM (fecOD)

29 Call me when he breaks back into double digits.

Posted by: Truman North likes Cain more than he ever did at October 31, 2011 09:50 AM (I2LwF)

30 He's not drunk.  Looks more like he just found a leftover packet of coke under the seat of his campaign plane.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 09:50 AM (Xnw5y)

31 I can overlook the dumping his wife in the hospital, but I'll need a formal apology for his sharing the sofa with Nan.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 09:51 AM (LEcV+)

32 Tipsycanoe and Pizza too!

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at October 31, 2011 09:51 AM (w41GQ)

33 After seeing Perry in action in the debates, in the rest of his dealings with the media, the public ... I am sorry to the Perry supporters out there ... he's simply not "beat Obama" material. Honestly, this is what I care for right now more than anything else. While Obama is a SCOAMF, Perry doesn't come out even at that level. Yeah, he's got more executive experience than the teh One. But teh One's got the TPOTUS and other magical weapons that Perry can't match. And a media that will attack him as being the SCOAMF whilst the real SCOAMF laughs his way to re-election. Bachmann isn't it. Huntsman and Santorum aren't it. Crazy Uncle Ron ... not a chance. We have a limited range of realistic options. I am not convinced Newt is realistic. But he is fucking smart. I do not like Romney. But he looks like the best chance we have to get the SCOAMF out of office. I like Cain, but he keeps blowing off various limbs with his fuckups. He's got to gain control over himself. Its gonna be Romney or Cain likely as the nominee. Perry just doesn't have what we need. I am sorry. If he is nominee, I will support him, knowing full well that Obama will kick his ass. Lets lead with the best option to get the SCOAMF out of office before we insist on ideological purity ... PLEASE!!!

Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 09:51 AM (9NQ6I)

34
He's not drunk. That claim is absurd.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 09:51 AM (sqkOB)

35 I'm resigning myself to the Mitterator.

I'm seriously nearing the point where I'd just rather let it all burn.  I'm not there yet, but it's getting closer.  And, yes, I realize that's my problem- I'm not advocating it for anyone else, simply stating my position.
Not that my vote in Texas will mean much, anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 09:51 AM (8y9MW)

36 Are we surprised the the Obama sock-puppets are unhesitatingly entering the smear zone this early in the cycle?

Oh and where's the link to the critics' claim?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 31, 2011 09:52 AM (hW3KZ)

37 Very historical snark #32. Very good.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 09:52 AM (IqM9e)

38

>>>Call me when he breaks back into double digits

He's leading Obama in Wisconsin polling

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (wuv1c)

39 29 Call me when he breaks back into double digits.

Ah have a PLAN for doin' that, mishter.  Watch closely, ah dareya.

Oh bah the WAAAY, didja hear that Herman Cain boy ish a child moleshter?

*hic*

Posted by: Rick Perry at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (Xnw5y)

40 I'm sure the edited video was brought to you by Jen Rubin Productions

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (wuv1c)

41 It's because they WANT and NEED Romney to be the candidate.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (UK9cE)

42
I will explain exactly why Gov Perry is so animated in this speech.

He's addressing a small, friendly crowd. The setting is intimate and the atmosphere is light and informal.

Is this a fundraiser? Often times at these fundraisers the politicians are much less stiff in their speech because they're talking to a room full of friends.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (sqkOB)

43 You can't get drunk drinking human blood. Dumbasses.

Posted by: Count Chunkula at October 31, 2011 09:54 AM (bZ8J6)

44

>>Call me when he breaks back into double digits.

 

And give Cain another week. The flood gates might be opening fairly soon.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 09:54 AM (wuv1c)

45 That's funny, because I do remember when Kerry made a campaign speech while intoxicated.

He was responding to some Bush speech, and he made a rambling, slurred, incomprehensible response.

On the channel I was watching, the talking head quickly cut away saying something to the effect of, "Obviously Mr Kerry is tired after a long day of campaigning and  drinking  My Tays. "

Though I might be misremembering the second part.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 31, 2011 09:54 AM (3aXbg)

46 I'm seriously nearing the point where I'd just rather let it all burn.  I'm not there yet, but it's getting closer.  And, yes, I realize that's my problem- I'm not advocating it for anyone else, simply stating my position.

We've missed you, Allen.

Posted by: Debra Medina and Ron Paul at October 31, 2011 09:54 AM (Xnw5y)

47 Looks like the Romneybots are up and have their talking points finally coordinated.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 09:54 AM (coN0Z)

48 Oh for Gawd's sake.  He is obviously tired.  He or his handlers need to slow down the pace. This is a marathon not a sprint. 

Posted by: mpfs at October 31, 2011 09:55 AM (iYbLN)

49 Geez...resigning yourself to Romney. Might as well bring back zombie Rockefeller.

Posted by: Wodeshed at October 31, 2011 09:55 AM (LEcV+)

50

He has probably adopted a "What the hell" attitude. "I can't get back on top being serious. Everyone is piling on. Conventional wisdom says I am done. I don't want to look desperate (even though I am). I have the money to fuck around until Cain implodes and conservatives look to me again as an alternative to Romney.

Posted by: CJ at October 31, 2011 09:55 AM (9KqcB)

51 Let me fix that last post myself:

It will become a "I can see Russia from my house" moment for the MFM and the Romneyclowns.

(See, I didn't use the offensive term "Romneybot")

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 09:55 AM (YdQQY)

52 "aka Rich Little" Sorry I hear shit before you do, you fucking moron. I'm so fucking sick of the childish cunts who believe those who REPORT the news MAKE the news. Like I went fucking back in time and FORCED Cain to proposition dozens of women and have an affair. yeah, I said it, asshole. If you want to know what I'm hearing, there it is. Fucking lunatics.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 09:56 AM (nj1bB)

53

Oy vey~

"Give me Librium or give me meth"

Posted by: dblwmy at October 31, 2011 09:56 AM (BvTwT)

54

>>>Geez...resigning yourself to Romney. Might as well bring back zombie Rockefeller.

 

 

In the primaires I've voting Perry, and if he drops out by the time they get here then I'm voting for Ron Paul.

In the generals I will vote R, but I won't vote for Romney in the primaries under any circumstances.

If he gets foist upon us then fine, but I will have no part it in.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 09:56 AM (wuv1c)

55

Maybe he just said fuckitall, he's lost already, may as well go down in a ball of flame.

Which is sad. I wonder if he'd take back that "heartless" comment right about now? That's what killed his campaign, much like Neut's "right-wing social engineering" comment about the Ryan tax plan. Neut, despite being the GOP Peacemaker and trying to go after the SCOAMF's policies in the early debates, never recovered.

Elephants never forget.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2011 09:56 AM (d0Tfm)

56 If this is Rick Perry sober, then our real concern ought to be whether we want to risk everything on a giggling idiot who makes George W. Bush look like Cicero.

Holy fuck.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (Xnw5y)

57 11 Now will you take that God-awful picture of Chaz Bozo off the side of the main page. That's Chaz Bono!? I thought it was David Frum.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (rJVPU)

58 waaaah... waaaaah... PLEASE EMBARGO INFORMATION FROM US!!!!

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (nj1bB)

59 I no longer give a shit. I will not vote for Romney. If that's who is going to be force-fed down my throat then I will gladly allow the rest of you to wallow in your losses. You will deserve it.

Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (D0slu)

60 I'm pleased with the traction my plan for putting a brain in every pot is getting

Posted by: Zombie Rockefeller at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (bZ8J6)

61 This is the only the beginning of the palinization of all repub candidates.  And yet, we get crickets for obama selling murder weapons to murderous mexican drug cartels.  F & F will be buried, denied, obfuscated by the media until after the next election.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (JYheX)

62 >>>It will become a "I can see Russia from my house" moment for the MFM and the Romneyclowns.

Not this one.  I thought it was hilarious, but honestly it's a side of Perry (whether 'chemically-enhanced' or otherwise) that I liked seeing.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 09:57 AM (hIWe1)

63 He did take back his heartless comment.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 09:58 AM (rJVPU)

64

I don't think he's drunk.

Like I said on another thread, it's probably his pain meds for his back. Back surgery takes a while to recoop from....and he's been on the campaign trail instead of doing much of any down time.

His overall goofy, loopiness is what happens to me when I have to take a pill for back pain. Sometimes one pill is not enough.....and two is too many.  That goofy 'I love you man' attitude is what happens to me when I take more than one to kill the pain. [My prescription says 'take as needed'.]

He didn't waiver from his positions on any of the issues, did he? ....He didn't start spitting out toads of hatred towards anyone, did he?

If this is the worst that we can expect from Perry when he is a bit impaired from his pain meds.....then, I am not seeing the damage here.

 

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 09:58 AM (XkwIi)

65 he drops out by the time they get here then I'm voting for Ron Paul.

I'm not willing to go that far: Foreign Policy is still important, after all.  But Newt or Santorum?  I could go with either of those (if they're in the race).  Fact is, though, that by the time it gets to Texas it will probably all be over.  It usually is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (8y9MW)

66 Once, Rick Perry ordered a large pepperoni from us. He asked for a side of Night Train. I swear!

Posted by: Herman Cain at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (EL+OC)

67

Romneybots flock to this but not to the thread of their mancrush

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (yAor6)

68 Cain propositioned dozens of women and had an affair? You've got a scoop there!
Make the news with it.

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (yRoVn)

69 He hasn't been on pain-killers for a while and according to a Time story I just found (I know, just roll with it), he started running again two weeks ago.

I wonder if that stem-cell therapy he got for his back a few months ago helped any.  There was a paralyzed South Korean woman a few years ago who had her own stem cells injected into her spine and she got some mobility back, but then succumbed to an intense, agonizing back-pain. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (9hSKh)

70 >>>I'm so fucking sick of the childish cunts who believe those who REPORT the news MAKE the news. Like I went fucking back in time and FORCED Cain to proposition dozens of women and have an affair.

>>>yeah, I said it, asshole. If you want to know what I'm hearing, there it is.

Oh my.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (hIWe1)

71

he's not drunk, I agree w/ Jeff B the pills may have made him loopy

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:00 AM (yAor6)

72 This place is crawling with Utah Jihadis. Time to open the camps.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 10:00 AM (ieDPL)

73 Fucking lunatics.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB) 


He loves us....he really, really loves us.

Posted by: Tami-THE St. Louis Cardinals! at October 31, 2011 10:00 AM (X6akg)

74

he drops out by the time they get here then I'm voting for Ron Paul.

i'd vote for Huntsman before i'd vote for that kook!

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:00 AM (yAor6)

75

>>I'm not willing to go that far: Foreign Policy is still important, after all. But Newt or Santorum? I could go with either of those (if they're in the race). Fact is, though, that by the time it gets to Texas it will probably all be over. It usually is.

Newt and Santorum will be out well before Perry. They don't have any money. Perry will be the last to drop out, then it will be Paul and Romney til the convention.

I voted for Paul over McCain last time as the election was over by the time it got here.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM (wuv1c)

76 56 If this is Rick Perry sober, then our real concern ought to be whether we want to risk everything on a giggling idiot who makes George W. Bush look like Cicero.

Holy fuck.


I have never seen him like this.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM (d6QMz)

77 NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

Posted by: A Two-Hour Painkiller Lunch at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM (Xnw5y)

78 Mmph! Mmm! GLORP! Mmmmph! SLURP!

Posted by: Jeff Bee - Official Romney Knob Polisher at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM (B0LGd)

79 Palin would have never gotten away with saying_ I can see myself releasing all of the hostages(sic) of Guantanamo for one us hostage. Palin would not get away with hiring a campaign manager that makes a commercial mostly about himself-and that self has a resume that would make it hard to hire him as prison guard... Jeebus. Now imagine Sarah Palin singing Amazing Grace at the National PRess Club after going there to respond to charges she sexually harassed men at work. Gawd!

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM (rJVPU)

80 Way to go folks, ya'll done pissed the Ewok off. Fixing to be a large amount of feces hit the oscillator.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM (8O4/a)

81 fucking moron....childish cunts....asshole....Fucking lunatics....

Why so testy? It's just a comment.

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM (yRoVn)

82 Is it wrong for a man to take a wee nip of the Tardasil, now and again?

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (FabC8)

83 What, if any, prescription drugs does Perry take for his ailing back?

Posted by: OxyCon at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (ndJwD)

84

Watched the entire speech and ......

was he a little goofy - yea. Mainly it was the hands, they just never seemed to know where to land or what to do. And the waving hands create an impression of a guy who is off. And yea, the candidate impersionations was probably best left alone but no big offense, it is done in most campaigns.

But other than that - what the hell is everyone's problem. Its the type of speech you see on the campaign on more than the alleged rare occassion. A candidate gets in a smaller setting with a bunch of people he knows and does this type of speech. The real difference is the 24/7/365 video where everything said that isn't boring and stale gets blasted. And he actually does a pretty decent job of selling his tax plan  (best line: the death tax will expire before you do).

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (OWjjx)

85

Posted by: Jeff Bee - Official Romney Knob Polisher at October 31, 2011 03:02 PM (B0LGd)

considering Jeff said the speech made him like him a little more this sockpuppet makes no sense to me, i'd refer you to Polynikes or Reggie

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (yAor6)

86 >>>Romneybots flock to this but not to the thread of their mancrush

Why do you think that is, LMendez?  It's because it's obviously a losing proposition to try and fight against the rdbrewers of this blog.  Threads like that are designed as cybernetic, interactive Two Minutes' Hate for the anti-Romneyites of this community.  Trying to walk in there and argue is as useful as sending a "Jews for Jesus" acolyte into a synagogue looking for converts.  It has nothing to do with the 'facts' such as they were (mainly rdbrewer calling Romney a "weasel" and once again distorting an article about Romney hiring some ex-Bush aides to call him scum), and everything to do with me not wanting to get all ranty and shouty and waste my time and mental health on a rigged game. 

And for god's sake, he's not my "mancrush."

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (hIWe1)

87 And MFM was telling everyone that Reagan was in old-age dementia during the election against Carter.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (coN0Z)

88 Hey, True Conservative Message Discipline Enforcers? you are no longer welcome on the site. Hit the bricks. I'm tired of you.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (nj1bB)

89 >>>Cain to proposition dozens of women and have an affair. I'm not seeing the problem here...

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (tazG1)

90 This is weird..  he does seem a bit "loose" if you know what I mean.. he goes real fast.. then slows down..  then does voices.. yikes!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM (f9c2L)

91 Wow.....who pissed in Ace's Cheerios this morning?

Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 10:04 AM (UK9cE)

92
my spidey sense is telling me...

a bro is mad

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 10:04 AM (sqkOB)

93 Breaker, Banned. Go back to Hot Air or wherever.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:04 AM (nj1bB)

94 I don't think Palin got away with anything.  She didn't even get away with stuff she had nothing to do with.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 10:04 AM (JYheX)

95 >>>This place is crawling with Utah Jihadis. Time to open the camps.

You're a real piece of shit, you know that? 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (hIWe1)

96 I have never seen him like this.

Neither have I, frankly.  Which makes me think he probably did have one or two too many.

Maybe he just figured "fuck it, it's New Hampshire".

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (Xnw5y)

97 >>Romneybots flock to this but not to the thread of their mancrush Why would we? It's the second time it's been posted here and rdbrewer's bias is well known. He's all in for bashing away at Romney but God forbid he should mention that Perry was for ethanol before he flipped against it or ever bring up Perry's Texas Emerging Technology Fund and the eerie similarity to Obama's various Solyndra fuck ups. He puts a sombrero on Romney but won't put one on Perry for his love of the illegals. That's just heartless. The obvious bias for not-Romney candidates around here doesn't mean we have to jump into every thread. No need to pile on Perry here. I've been told repeatedly that Perry stinks at debates but wait till you see him give a speech! Now I've seen it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (TMB3S)

98 Which is sad. I wonder if he'd take back that "heartless" comment right about now?

He retracted that comment a long time ago.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (YdQQY)

99 I never backed Sarah Palin but what the SAM HELL is the double standard where Herman Cain gets away with this kind of stuff and Sarah Palin would have been.... I can't even think of the word for what the press would have done to Sarah Palin if she made those kind of errors....

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (rJVPU)

100 Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Rick James Perry at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (6BgmB)

101 Listen to the unedited speech with the browser minimized. He speaks clearly and without slurring. Now listen and watch at the same time. His gestures are a little jerky; that gives the impression of drunkenness. It's a non-issue.

Posted by: joncelli at October 31, 2011 10:05 AM (RD7QR)

102 94 Wow.....who pissed in Ace's Cheerios this morning?

Rick Perry's pit bull. I saw him.

Posted by: Herman Cain at October 31, 2011 10:06 AM (EL+OC)

103 Have a good one y'all.

Posted by: Breaker19 at October 31, 2011 10:06 AM (yRoVn)

104 And for god's sake, he's not my "mancrush."

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 03:03 PM (hIWe1)

your making the assumption I consider you a Romneybot, I dont. I dont see you as a huge fanatic that curses anyone who wont back their guy like polynikes and reggie or frankly like Vic w/ Perry.

and yes I know I am in the minority of sticking up for Jeff on this blog

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:06 AM (yAor6)

105 When he starts talking about 57 states with 2 to go, speaking Austrian and seeing dead 'corpsemen' in the audience, I'll be concerned.

Otherwise, this means nothing to me but fear tactics coming from the left to force the Romney semi-socialist train upon the nation.

Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 10:07 AM (UK9cE)

106 That earlier Romney thread was way old rancid bait... most Romney supporters were too smart to bite.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 10:07 AM (tazG1)

107 94Wow.....who pissed in Ace's Cheerios this morning?

Posted by: © Sponge at October 31, 2011 03:04 PM (UK9cE)

You didn't get the memo? Sorry, you missed out. Good times. Good times.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 31, 2011 10:08 AM (bZ8J6)

108 This post reminds me of something. Today is the last day of the month and we haven't had the "end of the month Gabe straw poll" yet.

Or have we had it and I missed it on one of my trips to "The City"?

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:08 AM (YdQQY)

109 He reminds me of a Rethugligan Mr. Rodgers in this video

Posted by: Sarah, of the Unwanted Occupation Of My Vagina Movement at October 31, 2011 10:08 AM (dagTu)

110 I totally get it ace. For some reason, this Monday really sucks more than usual.

Posted by: Nolan Ryan at October 31, 2011 10:09 AM (Xm1aB)

111 >>>But other than that - what the hell is everyone's problem. Its the type of speech you see on the campaign on more than the alleged rare occassion. A candidate gets in a smaller setting with a bunch of people he knows and does this type of speech. The real difference is the 24/7/365 video where everything said that isn't boring and stale gets blasted. And he actually does a pretty decent job of selling his tax plan  (best line: the death tax will expire before you do).

Yeah...I watched this again, and honestly the more I see it the more I like it.  It's the first time I've seen a side of Perry that wasn't gruff and humorless.  It genuinely made me feel positive towards him on a personal level.

I know I called the speech "fruity" in a previous thread (I saw the 'excerpted' version), but honestly even that's okay.  I guess it's not "Presidential" or whatever, then again are Herman Cain's fourteen different answers on abortion "Presidential?"  I'll take this any day. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:09 AM (hIWe1)

112 I really miss Johnny Coldcuts.

Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 10:09 AM (D0slu)

113

Is there an accompanying Obama coked-out speech?

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Racism Identifier at October 31, 2011 10:10 AM (tcSZb)

114

He retracted that comment a long time ago.

Thanks, Vic. Under the weather today, cognitition not at a very high level. Medicine head and all that...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 31, 2011 10:10 AM (d0Tfm)

115 I'm just sick of the fucking one-note partisan maniacs who attempt to fucking mau-mau the coverage of their current Flavor of the Month candidate. This is the story. Giving me shit about what CAIN did doesn't change what Cain did. I'm sick of magical thinking emotional assholes getting on MY ass like I had something to do with Cain's problems. It's always the same thing -- You can't SAY that, you can't WRITE that, because we have to Maintain Message Discipline. Well fuck you. I don't even like Cain. And unlike you I don't think that just because he's a Good Christian True Conservative he CAN'T have had behaved badly. I think most people have behaved badly, which is why no-previous-vetting people like Cain wig me out. We have no idea WHAT is in their past. We're going to find out with Cain. I know many don't like it. Tough shit. That's the reality. Screaming about it to any convenient scapegoat won't change that reality. And yeah, I'm just telling you what everyone in the media has already heard and is already working on. I'm not letting out secrets here-- except to you.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:10 AM (nj1bB)

116 your making the assumption I consider you a Romneybot, I dont. I dont see you as a huge fanatic that curses anyone who wont back their guy like polynikes and reggie or frankly like Vic w/ Perry.

I don't harp on people for not supporting Perry. In fact Cain is still on my short list, just not at the top. I do harp on people who call themselves "conservative" and support Romney.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:10 AM (YdQQY)

117 Where's a proud donkey when you need one?

Posted by: Braker 69 at October 31, 2011 10:11 AM (bZ8J6)

118 >>Monday really sucks more than usual.

This is why I host Billiards and Beer on Monday nights.

Posted by: sTevo at October 31, 2011 10:11 AM (0SI0v)

119

Ace and a lot of others have been getting a lot of stupid heat over just posting Cain and other GOPers' missteps.

 The kill the messenger mode is getting terrible in the GOP lately. We cant let ourselves get into Obama cult territory over any candidate.

Posted by: William Amos at October 31, 2011 10:11 AM (HcYmo)

120

 His gestures are a little jerky; that gives the impression of drunkenness.

Exactly - its the wild, jerky hand motions and the occassional odd grimmace that throws it off.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 10:11 AM (OWjjx)

121 Apparently some would rather be surprised, or don't want to know what the media's working on. Fine, go to some website that better cocoons you from information that might cause you a bummer.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:12 AM (nj1bB)

122 Put me in the "Perry letting his hair down at a fundraiser in a room full of supporters" category. 

Another big meh on the Perry scandal parade. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 10:12 AM (5H6zj)

123

77......I have never seen him like this.

I have seen him animated and friendly in some of his stump speech footage, when he is speaking to a crowd of R's-only. He seems to sort of  'drop his guard' when he's with a crowd of conservatives.

But this is moreso. .....This is loopier. .....What is interesting to note though, is that he is still making sense, and not waivering from his positions on...anything.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (XkwIi)

124 Well fuck you. I don't even like Cain. And unlike you I don't think that just because he's a Good Christian True Conservative he CAN'T have had behaved badly.


The HELL you say!?!

Posted by: Jim Bakker at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (UK9cE)

125

The kill the messenger mode is getting terrible in the GOP lately. We cant let ourselves get into Obama cult territory over any candidate.

Posted by: William Amos at October 31, 2011 03:11 PM (HcYmo)

And, this ass-flavored jerky is da bomb! Thanks for the rec'!

Posted by: Butt Smoocher at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (bZ8J6)

126 Everyday baby when the sun go down
I get with my friends an' I begin to clown
I don't care what the people are thinkin'
I ain't drunk I'm just drinkin'

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (/bVuS)

127 Ace; perhaps you could do the monthly straw poll. We need to see if the Romney hate is still running at 91% here.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (YdQQY)

128 >>> The kill the messenger mode is getting terrible in the GOP lately. We cant let ourselves get into Obama cult territory over any candidate. It's this insane Magical Thinking that apparently goes, "If we just remain silent about it on the conservative side of things, and enforce that silence through hectoring, *somehow the story goes away* and *reality itself is changed to conform with our wishes.*" Yeah, good luck with that, lunatics. Same thirty losers who screamed every time a poll was posted showing Sarah Palin with very underwater favorable figures.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (nj1bB)

129 The one thing I cling to reading this site and all the non-sense during this primariy season, is the knowledge that this site (as awesome as it is) is just one tiny slice of the conservative side of the political sphere. It helps to remember that. It is just one little place in a multitude of places but the major votes will come from people who are rarely even on the internet. So when I see people say they would rather stay home than vote for X, or would like to see The SCFOAMF get another term to "teach a lesson" to the R establishment (even though why Rino's deserve a lesson greater than the most radical president in history is beyond me) I just try to remember that it comes from a pretty small sample. I know this is slightly OT but it it helps, I don't think he is drunk here.  

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (Y5gTl)

130 Hey ace, good to see you out and about. Any movie reviews lately?

Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at October 31, 2011 10:15 AM (Xm1aB)

131 "I'm sick of magical thinking emotional assholes getting on MY ass like I had something to do with Cain's problems."

It's is a pretty phenomenal ass.



(Literally trying to make jokes and lighten the mood. DON'T HURT ME, PLEASE.)

Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 10:15 AM (D0slu)

132

Posted by: fluffy occupies his cubicle at October 31, 2011 02:44 PM (4pSIn)

fluffy, is this you?

Posted by: RushBabe, Rabid Teahadi at October 31, 2011 10:15 AM (tQHzJ)

133

I do harp on people who call themselves "conservative" and support Romney.

thanks for making my point

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:15 AM (yAor6)

134 I like Perry, I like Cain, and, yes, I even like Newt.  I would gladly vote for any one of these three come the day of the general election.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:16 AM (coN0Z)

135 >>I do harp on people who call themselves "conservative" and support Romney. Harp away. Some of have done our own research on the actual records the two leading candidates who actually have records and we've come to different conclusions.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:16 AM (TMB3S)

136 >>>Apparently some would rather be surprised, or don't want to know what the media's working on.

>>>Fine, go to some website that better cocoons you from information that might cause you a bummer.

I think the actual accusation is that you are "gleefully" (note scare-quotes) pouncing on this sort of information and pushing it because you dislike Cain and are trying to prop up Perry, who you go out of your way to defend in other posts. 

UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS AT ALL.  I'm just saying, this is the logic that the people attacking you subscribe to, even if only on a gut level.  There is a heavy streak of irrationality running throughout this entire primary discourse right now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:16 AM (hIWe1)

137 I thought we were not supposed to "sock" Breitbart since he actually posts here now.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:16 AM (YdQQY)

138

This is a big nothing burger.  He's acting friendly toward the crowd.  He doesn't slur any words, he could use some help on his gestures, but that is common to a lot of politicians. 

There's no there, there.

Posted by: boone at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (Jl3Mu)

139 OK To get to the subject matter- *If* Rick Perry was on Flexeril or any other kind of muscle relaxer-which is often prescribed for back pain and he took even the slightest sip of alcohol- the combination of that would be synergistic. It's like taking alcohol and upping the effect of an ounce to the 10th power.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (rJVPU)

140 @140: Maybe it's really him?

Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (D0slu)

141 Wow, I'm a pretty religious attendee at the Church of Ace, but I haven't noticed him going out of his way to prop up Perry. Some commenters for sure, but not ace.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (Xm1aB)

142

Harp away. Some of have done our own research on the actual records of the two Mitt Romneys leading candidates who actually have records and we've come to different conclusions.

FIFY

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (OWjjx)

143 My apologies, Ace. For my part, I was sorry the moment I hit post.  We should trust you can tell bullshit rumors from reliable stuff that just hasn't hit the streets yet, and we should appreciate the heads up on it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (f9c2L)

144

Posted by: Butt Smoocher at October 31, 2011 03:13 PM (bZ8J6)

 

 Baloney Isnt just Ace that gets heat. Should go on twitter and see the insanity thrown at every conservative who posts any story that is critical of someone's favor candidate.

 The deserve credit for vetting our candidates. That means no surprizes later when it counts.

 The world wont end if we lose in 2012 but turning a blind eye to our candidates faults will make it easier to lose in 2012.

 

Posted by: William Amos at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (HcYmo)

145 If you mean somebody sucked and swallowed, then- yes, I was drunk.

Posted by: Dick Parry at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (bZ8J6)

146 I think we can still sock Breitbart because all the socking is good-humored and largely complimentary, and he knows of it. When he posts himself he tends to link Big Government in his name-line.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (nj1bB)

147   what CAIN did doesn't change what Cain did.

That's where my problem lies, what exactly did Cain do or didn't do?

Politico reporter Jonathan Martin, who co-wrote their article on Herman Cain, told MSNBC this morning that he just isn't "going to get into the details" of what Cain allegedly said, did or "gestured." Martin cites an incident that may or may not have happened where Cain may or may not have invited a woman up to his hotel room.

As for Perry, drunk or not, he beats the SCOAMF

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (JYheX)

148 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 03:17 PM (OWjjx)

LOL, "research" post 2007 rhetoric only.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (YdQQY)

149 Actually I think I inverted that-alchohol increases the side effects of flexural- What should I avoid while taking Flexeril? Flexeril can cause side effects that may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be awake and alert. Avoid drinking alcohol, which can increase some of the side effects of Flexeril.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:19 AM (rJVPU)

150 Hey, could we have a thread about Mitt Romney's appearance on Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, and Face the Nation now, please? 
Fair is fair.  Equal time and all that.
/s

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (5H6zj)

151 >>>Wow, I'm a pretty religious attendee at the Church of Ace, but I haven't noticed him going out of his way to prop up Perry.

Oh, me neither.  But if you've read the comments then surely you've seen the accusations.

The thing is, the simple fact that Ace prefers Perry to Cain makes him AUTOMATICALLY suspect in the eyes of these sorts of people.  Anyone not "on-side" is by definition presumed to be an enemy.  And then merely covering the news (and there's no question that this is Big News) is taken as evidence of guilt.

It's a shitty, irrational "thought" process (again, note scare-quotes).  But it's plain for all to see.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (hIWe1)

152

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 03:07 PM (tazG1)

so let me get this straight

- cant defend my guy who's in the top tier

- can dance on a backbenchers grave

Romneybots amaze me

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (yAor6)

153 Chi-Town, Bear in mind I heard this a month ago and said nothing, to anyone. Now this comes out. So... well, I do have additional trust in the rumors. Even if I don't believe the rumors-- I know THIS happened. At least, I know the charges were made, by two women.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (nj1bB)

154 I could use some alcohol and flexeril about now.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (Xm1aB)

155

The flip flopping clusterfuck of a misreable rino!! Mittens its your only choice for 2012.

 

Now the question is, will mittens start dousing the fire or add more gasoline to it?

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (wY55N)

156 Hannity's ham-handed defense of Herman Cain will have him charged with rape before the day is done. Geez Hannity, with friends like you.......

Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 10:20 AM (dagTu)

157 Times like these make me glad I'll be doing the OTHER primary You rethugiKKKants are nuts!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 10:21 AM (A1uUz)

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at October 31, 2011 10:21 AM (Xnw5y)

159 Harp away. Some of have done our own research on the actual records the two leading candidates who actually have records and we've come to different conclusions.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:16 PM (TMB3S)

 

And the conclusions come to this:  Romney will not be the repub nominee.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:21 AM (coN0Z)

160 We sure dodged a bullet with that Palin chick.

Posted by: RushBabe, Rabid Teahadi at October 31, 2011 10:21 AM (tQHzJ)

161

Perry attacks Mitt Romney on hiring illegals:  "Perry comes off as too mean."

Perry has fun in front of an audience who seems receptive (he gets a standing ovation at the end): Perry is too goofy.

What exactly is it that you want the man to do?

Posted by: boone at October 31, 2011 10:22 AM (Jl3Mu)

162 I could use some alcohol and flexeril about now. Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 03:20 PM

Picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue?

Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 10:22 AM (fecOD)

163

What exactly is it that you want the man to do?

Leave the race and endorse the only Republican who can win!

Posted by: Romneybot #45122 at October 31, 2011 10:23 AM (OWjjx)

164 After the speech two women contacted Jonathan Martin at Politico and said Perry's jestures made them uncomfortable.

Posted by: robtr at October 31, 2011 10:23 AM (MtwBb)

165 So just to remind you all what I'm facing next November, I am expected to vote for:
Mitt Romney
Orrin Hatch, and
Jason "Spineless" Chaffetz

And I'm supposed to like it.  Geez louise. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 10:23 AM (5H6zj)

166 123 >His gestures are a little jerky; that gives the impression of drunkenness.

Exactly - its the wild, jerky hand motions and the occassional odd grimmace that throws it off.


Occasionally the voice too, but I definitely see what you mean. The speech leaves a different impression when you just listen to it.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 10:23 AM (d6QMz)

167 Juggle five running chainsaws while singing "yellow rose of texas" would be a start.

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (wY55N)

168 By the way, if some of you are going crazy-pants because you see each candidate being disqualified in turn, leaving only Romney, who you don't want... ...join the club. I don't want him either. I'm not fucking happy about this either. But venting at me over bad facts will not change those bad facts.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (nj1bB)

169

Now the question is, will mittens start dousing the fire or add more gasoline to it?

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 03:20 PM

Ethanol, but with or without subsidies?

Posted by: huerfano at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (fecOD)

170 Anyone But Obamney!

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (qndXR)

171 Yeah.. I understand.  I think this was all a bit of a shock to people this morning.  Then to hear there's even more crap waiting in the wings.. it's like a win for the libtards, ya know?  And that is hard to take sometimes, especially for strong Cain supporters (which I am not - I like him but never thought he had much of a chance)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (f9c2L)

172 Well there are multiple ways to write story on a negative subject about a Republican candidate. You can write it like a liberal would write it or you could write it in an unbiased tone with both sides accounts or you can write it as an apologist. Unfortunately I've seen more of the first than of the last by your co bloggers.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (IqM9e)

173 @168 Sniffing glue? Never tried it, but with my luck, I'd glue my nostrils shut and get a piece of ice lodged in my throat.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM (Xm1aB)

174

Occasionally the voice too, but I definitely see what you mean. The speech leaves a different impression when you just listen to it.

Exactly. It gave me an odd reminder of what people thought of the first Nixon v. JFK debate. If you watched it on television, you thought JFK won. However, if you listened to it on the radio, you swore Nixon won.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM (OWjjx)

175 No, but we feel like getting drunk just watching him...

Posted by: Cricket at October 31, 2011 10:26 AM (DrC22)

176 I had two female employees file complaints against a supervisor- not because he did anything, but because they're bitches. We spent $20K defending him (and the company), then I fired them.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 31, 2011 10:26 AM (bZ8J6)

177

Ethanol, but with or without subsidies?

Does it matter?

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:26 AM (wY55N)

178 167

Perry attacks Mitt Romney on hiring illegals:  "Perry comes off as too mean."

Perry has fun in front of an audience who seems receptive (he gets a standing ovation at the end): Perry is too goofy.

What exactly is it that you want the man to do?


It would be nice if he could simply come off as steady, sober, confident and competent, for starters.  Nothing more exotic than that.

You know, kind of like Mitt Romney's been doing.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:26 AM (Xnw5y)

179 Remember that Hee-Haw song "Gloom, despair, and agony....?" Running through my mind.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:27 AM (Xm1aB)

180

Doesn't have to be alcohol. ....Even a food interaction with a pain med can make you loopy. ....It's different from person to person.

Whatever this is......I think it is safe to say that Perry didn't get this way on purpose. So, I seriously doubt that he would have taken a drink of an alcoholic beverage if he had also taken a pain pill.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 10:27 AM (XkwIi)

181 125 Put me in the "Perry letting his hair down at a fundraiser in a room full of supporters" category. 

Another big meh on the Perry scandal parade. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 03:12 PM (5H6zj)

And probably a little bit of, "Why don't you try this?" from his advisers.

Perry has a bit of the "mean guy" meme to work off.

As somebody who frequently teaches large-lecture calculus classes, I can tell you that sometimes you just get goofy.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:28 AM (T0NGe)

182 So since everyone is mad about each others candidate, I have a great idea MONEYBOMB for my senate run!!!! Woohoo...

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 10:28 AM (A1uUz)

183 They seem to be focusing on a lot of non stories today.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 10:28 AM (ieDPL)

184 Since when is skirt-chasing a disqualifier?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (Xm1aB)

185 >>> Well there are multiple ways to write story on a negative subject about a Republican candidate. You can write it like a liberal would write it or you could write it in an unbiased tone with both sides accounts or you can write it as an apologist. Unfortunately I've seen more of the first than of the last by your co bloggers. I'm not making up spin I don't believe so I can spare your butthurt. What, should I go full clinton apologist?

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (nj1bB)

186 The reason why Darth Flip Flop hasn't said anything is because there is video out there of him saying the exact opposite.

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (wY55N)

187 We spent $20K defending him (and the company), then I fired them.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at October 31, 2011 03:26 PM (bZ8J6)

LOL, stand by for visit from the EEOC.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (YdQQY)

188 177 Yeah.. I understand.  I think this was all a bit of a shock to people this morning.  Then to hear there's even more crap waiting in the wings.. it's like a win for the libtards, ya know?  And that is hard to take sometimes, especially for strong Cain supporters (which I am not - I like him but never thought he had much of a chance)

Oh, Cain never did have a chance.  He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.

But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (Xnw5y)

189

Ace @118, the saddest part of it is that the non-stop "gotcha" mode the MFM has put politics into prevents there ever being any truly good candidates.

As you said we've all screwed up.

I'm actually pretty boring but I'd never run for office lest some of my drunken college antics get spun into something much worse than they were.

Anyone actually willing to go into such a buzzsaw has to be a bit off hence the flawed personalities we see running.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (/bVuS)

190 174 By the way, if some of you are going crazy-pants because you see each candidate being disqualified in turn, leaving only Romney, who you don't want...

...join the club. I don't want him either. I'm not fucking happy about this either.

--

I guess my only frustration is that it seems like Romney has been playing the lay low "front runner" game for months and months now, including when he wasn't even leading, and he's getting away with it.  Personally, I had no idea how bad a flip-flopper he really was until I started to actually dig through his record.  The problem is, if he doesn't attend things like that Iowa forum the other week and he skips Sunday talk shows and no one actually goes after him in debates (except Perry), when does he get vetted again?  That's my frustration.  Very few bloggers are actually vetting Romney.  Very few are actually challenging his claims.  And we're told his flaws are "baked in the cake" and he's the most electable. 

Now, if I had your job I'd write whatever I damned well felt like writing, so I'm certainly not criticizing you.  But it is frustrating that these turds get dangled in the media about all of the other candidates except Romney and most of the turds wind up being much ado about nothing or have nothing to do with issues.  (Personally, the Cain story bothers me and reinforces for me what I see as a major flaw in his personality, but I'd still rather be discussing issues.)

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 10:30 AM (5H6zj)

191

You know, kind of like Mitt Romney's been doing.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:26 PM (Xnw5y)

 

Or like the SCOAMF.  And we all know how much we like to listen to him.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:30 AM (coN0Z)

192 SCoaMF lite is good enough for you.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 10:31 AM (ieDPL)

193 And for god's sakes the facts will come out in a week, anyway. What you want, polynikes, is for me to make up clever spin (which I don't believe, by the way) in order to buy us... three days or a week. In a week, we will know more. This will be in one of three categories: Proven and bad; disproven (mostly) and not so bad; or unknown. Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It? Why? Is it so critical I put up a post I don't believe to spare some people the horror of considering maybe Cain isn't Mr. Perfect?

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:31 AM (nj1bB)

194 Oh, Cain never did have a chance.  He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.

But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)

This.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:31 AM (T0NGe)

195 Any drunk republican, or hell a drunk bear, would make better decisions than OdipO.  I don't think he is drunk, but do not care.  If the voters want to commit national suicide and continue with the marxist in chief over accusations or facts against a prez who hates this country and our constitution, then so be it.  I would literally vote to not have a president at all over scoamf.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 10:31 AM (JYheX)

196 Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It? Why? Is it so critical I put up a post I don't believe to spare some people the horror of considering maybe Cain isn't Mr. Perfect?

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 03:31 PM (nj1bB)

Good.  I don't like my name being dragged through the mud.

Posted by: And that's DOCTOR Perfect to you, buddy at October 31, 2011 10:33 AM (T0NGe)

197 Here was my previous take: Unknown. But look out for it. Now that this has come out, here's my take: Tending to believe previous rumors. So, that's what I actually believe. Should I make some shit up? To advance a candidate I don't even like?

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:33 AM (nj1bB)

198 I do care ( a little ) who opposes SCOAMF ... I want them to have a fucking fighting chance of beating teh One. Some of these "candidates" don't have a snowballs chance in hell of doing that. Santorum, Paul, Bachmann come to mind. Perry looks like he likes to hand his enemies ammunition. Real fucking smart. Cain occasionaly takes aim at a toe or finger and blows it off. Romney sucks. Hate the guy. He is SCOAMF-lite. But thats still miles better than teh One. Right now I'd settle for getting back into the frying pan having been in the fire. Yeah, not a clue why we don't have a collection of good to great candidates. We have a choice of evils, and the most evil is SCOAMF. We have to minimize evil even if this means holding our nose and ideology when we vote. This country cannot take another 4 years of teh One. The world cannot take another 4 years of him. We have to send him out to retirement. But lets not hand him a victory by putting a very weak candidate in front of him so his media can take target practice. Yeah this means compromise. We gotta do it. Perry may not be electable, and the sooner we put him in the same category as Bachmann, Santorum, and Crazy Uncle Ron, the better.

Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 10:33 AM (9NQ6I)

199 Or like the SCOAMF. And we all know how much we like to listen to him.
Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 03:30 PM (coN0Z)

Oh wow.  You think that Barack Obama comes off as "steady, sober, confident and competent"?!

Just damn, man. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:34 AM (Xnw5y)

200

Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It?

 

That's coming close to trademark territory, there, bud.

Posted by: NY Lotto at October 31, 2011 10:34 AM (5eVSI)

201 >>>And for god's sakes the facts will come out in a week, anyway.

>>>What you want, polynikes, is for me to make up clever spin (which I don't believe, by the way) in order to buy us... three days or a week.

>>>In a week, we will know more. This will be in one of three categories: Proven and bad; disproven (mostly) and not so bad; or unknown.

>>>Why the fuck should I join Team Spin It To Win It? Why? Is it so critical I put up a post I don't believe to spare some people the horror of considering maybe Cain isn't Mr. Perfect?

Um...Ace, I'm think you've misunderstood Polynikes here. I think he wasn't talking about Herman Cain, he was talking about Romney-bashing by Perry supporters on the blog.  It's part of the sidebar conversation I started at #139 and #155. 

I think.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:35 AM (hIWe1)

202 Should I make some shit up? To advance a candidate I don't even like?

You are supposed to toe the party line and vote for whoever we tell you to.

Posted by: Reince Priebus at October 31, 2011 10:35 AM (wY55N)

203 Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 03:17 PM (OWjjx) This is the kind of thing that's not very convincing. I'm well aware that Romney said he was personally pro-life but as long as Roe v Wade was the law of the land he would support it but once in office he refused to sign anti-life legislation. He became more conservative. You know what Jim DeMint had to say about that? He said he was glad that Romney changed on that, that it showed he could research an issue and change and he welcomed more people doing the same thing. But what does DeMint know, he's a RINO> I'm aware that he changed other positions too. Do you think Perry hasn't changed any positons? Did you know that he was pro-ethanol before he wasn't? How about mandating vaccines, thats a pretty obvious flip. And do you think all the positions he took in Texas were super duper conservative? Have you even looked into the corruption issues because I assure you the other side of the aisle has. Hell, it was Perry who was primaried by a Tea Partier for not being conservative enough. Pick who you want, but saying Perry is the super conservative simply because he says so is laughable.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:35 AM (TMB3S)

204 Matt Damon!

Posted by: Matt Damon at October 31, 2011 10:35 AM (5eVSI)

205 Hang in there ace. Ya we have a candidate that seems to be making a mockery of the Republican primary electorate-maybe some of them think they are "in" on the joke... Hopefully they'll wake up. Herman Cain said essentially on "principle" he could not support Perry-today-as the nominee. So he's all for sitting out elections-if he does somehow manage to get the damn nomination.... His words will come back top haunt him.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (rJVPU)

206 >>>I've noticed that about myself, too. There's something about talking for long periods of time that must upset normal breathing rhythms or something. I get punchy as hell. It feels like the equivalent of downing a couple of drinks in a short time span. I do this too. I don't do much public speaking but sometimes when I do I really overdo the "personable and energetic" thing (which is totally not me in the first place, nevermind my social embarrassment issues). I kind of start playing a role, of The Guy Who Would Be Comfortable Doing This Sort of Thing, and I guess what That Guy would do.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (nj1bB)

207 >>>Oh, Cain never did have a chance.  He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.

>>>But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.

Bears repeating. 

If the stuff Ace is talking about surfaces, then he's going to be destroyed.  Which is disgusting.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (hIWe1)

208 If I may and I brought this up before the 2008 election btw If jugears wins we'll survive as a country since the repubs will more likely than not control the congress But.... You want to know why the left wants him in office so bad? Ready? Supreme court picks We can get rid of the other clowns every few years, a SCJ is for life

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 10:38 AM (A1uUz)

209 I guess the most disheartening thing about this race is that following the WAAAVE of 2010 this looks like the worst fucking thing ever.

I'm agreeing with Will on this one. Has conservatism gone so far only to settle for....THIS (Romney).

Posted by: Aurvant at October 31, 2011 10:39 AM (D0slu)

210 Not a big Perry fan anymore, but they're gonna' have to do better if they want to create a "scandal." This "drunk" thing is stupid.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:39 AM (Xm1aB)

211 In a week, we will know more. This will be in one of three categories: Proven and bad; disproven (mostly) and not so bad; or unknown. The problem is that you’ve also said that you recognize how the media works: by presenting lies and pushing the lies so that the lies are believed after they’re disproven. In this particular case, from an outsider’s perspective, the story is laughable and worth mocking: Cain has done something, we’re not going to say what, to people, we’re not going to say who, and we heard this from sources, we’re not going to name. Now, if you are certain that the allegations are in fact true, okay. Say so while you’re reporting on it, and your reputation will hinge on how often you do this and you turn out to be correct. If, on the other hand, all you’re hearing are rumors you’re unsure of and you do believe that this has a positive chance of ending up in the disproven or unknown categories, then you are in fact helping the media set this meme up, so that they can do what they often do: 1) report something that's not true 2) “discover” that it’s not true a few days or weeks later, and 3) allow other pundits to continue referring back to the untrue allegations as if they were true.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 31, 2011 10:39 AM (QF8uk)

212 His words will come back ^to^ haunt him. **** Man it's like some crazy movie-unreal...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 10:39 AM (rJVPU)

213 Supreme court picks
Please look at Darth Flip Flops picks for judges in mass. Then issue a guarentee that he won't do the same as potus

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:40 AM (wY55N)

214 Oh, Cain never did have a chance.  He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.

But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)

 

Did I miss the news that Cain is dropping out of the race?  Didn't think so.  It seems he's doing pretty well last time I looked.  And I think most people will recognize this latest MFM smear as exactly that; an MFM smear. 

 

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:41 AM (coN0Z)

215 Hell, it was Perry who was primaried by a Tea Partier for not being conservative enough.

At least one of Perry's biggest boosters on this site actually voted for said Tea Partier against him in the primary last year, for exactly that reason.

Of course, she was a Truther, and the booster in question has admitted she's crazy, which makes one wonder what about Perry was so unacceptable that even she was considered to be a better option.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:41 AM (Xnw5y)

216

Rick Perry?

 

(Mika Brzezinskii eye roll)

 

Hey, I love Rick Perry.  But in my totally unbiased opinion based solely on the polls, Perry simply is unelectable.

 

(exasperated sigh)

 

MittÂ’s a liberal, Cain couldnÂ’t win in a general and the others are not even in the running.

 

WeÂ’re fucked.

Posted by: jwest at October 31, 2011 10:41 AM (qeYI9)

217 >>Please look at Darth Flip Flops picks for judges in mass. Then issue a guarentee that he won't do the same as potus Have you ever heard of the Massachusetts Governors Council? If not, you should look into. And remember when you do, MA had less than 13% registered Republicans when Romney was in office.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:42 AM (TMB3S)

218 We get it Straw, Romney is Ronald Reagan the 2nd, and the only true voice of Conservatism in the GOP. He is also the proponent of socialized medicine with a individual mandate that allows illegal aliens to get free healthcare, but that is another subject I guess.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:42 AM (8O4/a)

219 You know, if, and I emphasize if, Cain sexually harassed females who were employed by him, then yeah, that's a big deal and he would go to the bottom of my list next to Newt, just above Obama.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:42 AM (Xm1aB)

220 220 The same as Obama would pick? Guarantee it You dumbass rethugiKKKants never ever see the big picture!!! Give me the supreme court and you can have congress and the POTUS and I would win every single time!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (A1uUz)

221 This is the kind of thing that's not very convincing. I'm well aware that Romney said he was personally pro-life but as long as Roe v Wade was the law of the land he would support it but once in office he refused to sign anti-life legislation. He became more conservative.

And his timing couldn't have been more convenient.  He went from John Kerry's position to saying he was the "True Conservative" in four years.

I'm aware that he changed other positions too. Do you think Perry hasn't changed any positons? Did you know that he was pro-ethanol before he wasn't? How about mandating vaccines, thats a pretty obvious flip.

He has changed some positions, but not all of them.  Mitt has changed his position on Guns, Abortion, Immigration, Mandates, Stimulus spending, Ethanol...

Hell, it was Perry who was primaried by a Tea Partier for not being conservative enough.

Seeing as Mitt only won one election and then left after it was clear he wouldn't win again, he never had the opportunity to be primaried by a TEA partier.

Pick who you want, but saying Perry is the super conservative simply because he says so is laughable.

As opposed to Mitt, who we should have believed when he said that in 2007.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (FkKjr)

222 Come to think of it, if Obama continues to slide in the polls, the conservative wing of the Supreme Court might want to beef up their personal security.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (Xm1aB)

223 >>>In this particular case, from an outsiderÂ’s perspective, the story is laughable and worth mocking: Cain has done something, weÂ’re not going to say what, to people, weÂ’re not going to say who, and we heard this from sources, weÂ’re not going to name. We know for a fact that he was accused by two women (so far), don't we? Or are you taking the position that we don't know if this happened? One might be a misunderstanding or a vengeful employee. Even two might be. We'll see over the course of the week if it remains at two.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (nj1bB)

224 You want to know why the left wants him in office so bad?

Ready?

Supreme court picks

We can get rid of the other clowns every few years, a SCJ is for life Posted by: Navycopjoe
............
That is VERY important, yeah.

But 2 other things...

Bush tax cuts sunset.  We all get a really big tax increase without any legislation.  A Repub Senate and House can pass a bill to extend them, but ODumbo can simply veto it.. and he doesn't have to worry about re-election anymore.

Next - Obamacare.  It is the law.  It cannot be repealed without a Repub president.  Obama would never sign a repeal, so it goes active in 2014.  Either pray for a SCOTUS smack down or pray for any Republican to win the presidency.

Both of those items together will crush this country and any chances of getting out of this crappy economy.

That's why Romney's ok in my book. He ain't  perfect, but it sure beats hell out of another 4 years of SCOAMF.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (f9c2L)

225

Yeah I have heard of them. Even when Mittens could do something he wouldn't.

13% Well lordy be. Look at at that another excuse by an establishment repub. What is that number 1000, 1001?

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (wY55N)

226 @jwest #223 ... Yeah, unless we hold our noses and vote for a liberal (assume he gets the nod). I hate to say it, but it could be far worse. Far ... far worse. 1st get teh One out. 2nd demand ideological purity. If you can't get these in the right order, you will not accomplish the primary goal.

Posted by: John Galt at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (9NQ6I)

227 Oh wow.  You think that Barack Obama comes off as "steady, sober, confident and competent"?!

Just damn, man. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:34 PM (Xnw5y)

 

So I guess the "52%ers" is just a myth.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (coN0Z)

228 Monday really sucks more than usual.

Are you ready for some FOOTBALL!?!?

Posted by: The Faceless Hank at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (GTbGH)

229 Oh and I should have added, Romney has released a list of judicial advisors. Prominent on that list is Robert Bork? Is he not conservative enough for you? And Romney already praised Bush for his choices of Roberts and Alito saying those are exactly the type of people he wants to see on the SC. Not conservative enough?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (TMB3S)

230

Time to deploy the Newt chute.

Posted by: Hidajunshin at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (MVVJU)

231 And remember when you do, MA had less than 13% registered Republicans when Romney was in office.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:42 PM (TMB3S)

In 2006.  The number had been higher in 2002 when Mitt took office.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (FkKjr)

232 #208 JeffB not exactly but I was talking about the cobloggers more than ace. There are hit pieces and then there are reports of a negative issue. Its really simple to see the difference.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (IqM9e)

233 Mitt is probably less liberal domestically than Nixon was, and I supported Nixon.  I'm just not thrilled about it.

Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (GTbGH)

234 Been lurking here since 2009 and only recently commenting regularly.

Ace and the co-bloggers have done reporting and opinion on all of the candidates. Frankly, I may disagree with their opinions on these candidates at times but it's not like they're pushing one candidate or else.

I agree with Ace: if you don't like it here, get lost. You can always start your own blog or find another where its authors will tongue punch your political fart-boxes.

Posted by: Baroque at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (B0LGd)

235 >>He has changed some positions, but not all of them. Mitt has changed his position on Guns, Abortion, Immigration, Mandates, Stimulus spending, Ethanol... No he hasn't. But you keep on saying it if it makes you fell better.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (TMB3S)

236 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 31, 2011 03:39 PM (QF8uk)

Excellent.  damn you for saying what I thinking but couldn't say because I was drunk and have quirky mannerisms.

I was having a conversation with my wife about a month ago about a poll on some enviro topic that we both knew couldn't be true (and later confirmed bs), and I told her at the time the sole purpose of the poll was to give libs something to claim on tv.  Not an hour later we saw a dem interviewed doing exactly that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (JYheX)

237 >>>We get it Straw, Romney is Ronald Reagan the 2nd, and the only true voice of Conservatism in the GOP. He is also the proponent of socialized medicine with a individual mandate that allows illegal aliens to get free healthcare, but that is another subject I guess.

This is completely non-responsive to his point.  And it's frustrating.  A specific charge was leveled: Romney's judicial appointments in MA indicate that he's untrustworthy, a liberal, etc.  JackStraw responded with a specific refutation, and one that is actually extremely convincing: the MA Governor's Council makes it impossible for any Governor to appoint judges without them approving first and then sending them on the legislature for a vote, and that panel is entirely composed of liberal Democrats.  It was, in fact, put in place by the MA Democratic legislature for precisely that purpose -- to prevent the long string of GOP governors from putting conservatives on the court.  Therefore this "claim" that is being cited to prove that Romney is a secret liberal actually proves no such thing. 

And you respond with subject-changing snark.  This always seems to be the tactic of anti-Romney folks around here: when the facts are inconvenient, you wave them away with snarky generalities, the thrust of which is always "of COURSE Romney is an untrustworthy squish!  Don't confuse me with facts!"

And people wonder why Romney supporters stay out of the rdbrewer threads?

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (hIWe1)

238 "And Romney already praised Bush for his choices of Roberts and Alito saying those are exactly the type of people he wants to see on the SC."

Yet Romney didn't support the Bush Tax Cuts that lead to record revenues. Sounds like Mittens liked those higher tax rates. Of course, since he raised fees and taxes in Mass. while he was in office we can assume he does.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (8O4/a)

239 Oh, for the record, in the general ill be voting all republican with pretty much one exception of course

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (A1uUz)

240 No he hasn't. But you keep on saying it if it makes you fell better.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 03:47 PM (TMB3S)

So he still supports the assault rifle ban he signed?  He still 'likes mandates' and think they work?  He still believes stimulus spending can be helpful?  He is still an ardent defender of a woman's right to choose?  He still supports Ethanol subsidies?

Great conservative you've got there.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (FkKjr)

241 Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 03:48 PM

Actually Jeff, my comment should ring a bell w Straw, as over the last several days he has been comparing Romney to Reagan.

Your superior intellect you like to brag on must have missed that.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (8O4/a)

242 >>Yeah I have heard of them. Even when Mittens could do something he wouldn't. >>13% Well lordy be. Look at at that another excuse by an establishment repub. What is that number 1000, 1001? Then if you've heard of them you know it was absolutely impossible to get conservative judges appointed in MA. Not difficult, impossible. So how exactly is that Romney's fault and how would some True Conservative have done better?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (TMB3S)

243 We know for a fact that he was accused by two women (so far), don't we? I donÂ’t think we do (again, IÂ’m saying this as a person whose sole knowledge is from reading the news stories such as PoliticoÂ’s and NBCÂ’s First Read). Politico claims two unnamed women; NBC claims one unnamed woman. Neither name any sources or even acts. ThereÂ’s nothing in either story that allows me to evaluate the claims.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM (QF8uk)

244

Okay.

I say we get all the candidates 'impaired' in an equal fashion....so they're all 'letting their hair down' so to speak. As impaired as Perry was in this NH speech.

Then we line them all up and have a debate.

Now that would be worth watching!

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (XkwIi)

245

It's sad that so many people on AoSHQ are falling for the MFM's Palinization of our candidates.  Whoever gets the nomination, I'm sure by many of the people who comment here, will be declared unelectable by the time the general election comes around. 

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (coN0Z)

246 Accusations equal guilt.

Posted by: Crystal Mangum at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (JYheX)

247 Yet Romney didn't support the Bush Tax Cuts that lead to record revenues. Sounds like Mittens liked those higher tax rates. Of course, since he raised fees and taxes in Mass. while he was in office we can assume he does.
Posted by: Dick Nixon
...........
and record deficits.. that is until the SCOAMF got in and showed Bush to be a piker as far as deficits go.

I love all you guys who defend Bush's tax cuts, but rail on and on about how bad deficit spending is.  Bush started 2 wars with no funding and borrowed to pay for them.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (f9c2L)

248 Bevel- You seem to be all about 10th Amendment solutions when talking about Perry and his illegal alien stuff. Is Massachusetts not a state entitled to the same privilege? As to the mandate, you should really give that a rest. It was considered a very conservative position right up until Obamacare. Newt was all for it. Lots of conservatives were. Now, it's a liberal position. It's like cap and trade. I bet most don't even know who came up with the concept.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (TMB3S)

249 I love all you guys who defend Bush's tax cuts, but rail on and on about how bad deficit spending is.  Bush started 2 wars with no funding and borrowed to pay for them.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 03:53 PM (f9c2L)

Jerry, you should look up the "Laffer curve".

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (FkKjr)

250 "and record deficits.."

Yeah, I miss those $400 billion deficits. Then January 2007 rolled around and we saw what happens when liberals start spending money.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (8O4/a)

251 @81
Now imagine Sarah Palin ... sexually harassed men at work.

Look out bunk, here I come!

Posted by: sum(random) at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (mkBiv)

252 >>>It's sad that so many people on AoSHQ are falling for the MFM's Palinization of our candidates.  Whoever gets the nomination, I'm sure by many of the people who comment here, will be declared unelectable by the time the general election comes around.

If Cain actually DOES have a string of sexual propositions, inappropriate advances, and affairs in his past, as Ace has said he's heard rumors of, then it's not Palinization.  It's actually, you know, a problem.

That said, we don't know shit about dick w/r/t that right now.  But we do know that there were two actual payouts.  And we have Cain making the groan-inducingly implausible statement that he was never even aware that any settlement was reached in either situation.  (Unless I'm missing something obvious this has to be impossible because if Cain was subject to the terms of an NDA he would OBVIOUSLY have to have been informed about it.  And that's leaving aside the fact that, as CEO, he'd know about this stuff regardless.) 

I suspect we'll know a good deal more in the near future.  This story is not going away. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (hIWe1)

253 " I bet most don't even know who came up with the concept."

I know who supports it on a global scale. His name rhymes with kittens.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (8O4/a)

254 Yeah, I miss those $400 billion deficits. Then January 2007 rolled around and we saw what happens when liberals start spending money.
Posted by: Dick Nixon
........
*sigh*

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (f9c2L)

255 Unnamed sources told me a few months ago that Perry never does comedy routines with his wife in the room and that she's pissed at him over this and that's why we've only seen her publicly defend him once.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (OKhgI)

256 Bush didn't start any wars jack ass.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (IqM9e)

257 Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 03:56 PM

Sigh all you want. And send your money to Romney for POTUS. It's ok, it is your money.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (8O4/a)

258 I don't recall anyone here saying Perry was a "super conservative". Hell he got negatives in two of the six categories, one of them being the "small government category".  Bachmann, Santorum, and Paul all came out more conservative than him. If she had not gone off the deep end with the Gardacil thing I might still be supporting Bachmann.

But not very many people left on here than supports anyone of those three.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM (YdQQY)

259 >>>I love all you guys who defend Bush's tax cuts, but rail on and on about how bad deficit spending is.  Bush started 2 wars with no funding and borrowed to pay for them.

Hey, are we finally allowed to admit that McCain actually was RIGHT in opposing Bush's tax cuts back in the day?  He was against them because they weren't paid for with any spending cuts.  He said they would make our debt load even worse.

Guess what?  He was right.  I mean, lower taxes are great, but we're all bullshitting ourselves by pretending they didn't make things worse when passed without any spending cuts...and indeed massive spending INCREASES.

There's really no way around the fact that Bush was an economic disaster in every imaginable way. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (hIWe1)

260 There is this footnote- *The nominating commission screens applicants for the supreme judicial court at the governor's discretion. The governor's council, also referred to as the executive council, is a constitutionally authorized body that advises the governor on Massachusetts affairs. The eight-member council is elected annually by the general court, Massachusetts' legislature. From this website- www.judicialselection.us

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (rJVPU)

261 >>I know who supports it on a global scale. His name rhymes with kittens. See what I mean? You guys just say shit that isn't true but if anyone refutes you, they are a Romneybot. It was Ronald Reagan's EPA that came up with the cap and trade idea to get rid of leaded gasoline. That's right, arch liberal Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (TMB3S)

262 But we do know that there were two actual payouts.
Do we?

And we have Cain making the groan-inducingly implausible statement that he was never even aware that any settlement was reached in either situation.

Not necessarily.  Many companies take the accused totally out of the picture if they choose to settle and won't disclose to the accused the outcome.  Its weird, but its true.

Posted by: Crystal Mangum at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (JYheX)

263 #261 Dick Nixon really? Do yourself a favor and stick to accusing everyone of conspiring to elect Romney.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (IqM9e)

264 damn sock.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (JYheX)

265 Ace...began reading your site quite some time ago.  I like it and I like you.  Big Perry fan here.  I just don't have any solid comforts about any others at this point.  They are all imperfect and even though he doesn't express himself perfectly in a "crowd", he cares about America and ALL the people.  Make fun of me if any of you will but that's just how it is...I knew the Cain thing was coming...just a matter of time.

Posted by: ReadyorNot at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (ErUlJ)

266
You seem to be all about 10th Amendment solutions when talking about Perry and his illegal alien stuff. Is Massachusetts not a state entitled to the same privilege?

I'm all about that am I?  Any other positions I hold?

Bear in mind, I live in Massachusetts and hate Mittcare.  So this tenth amendment shit he throws out there just pisses me off.

As to the mandate, you should really give that a rest. It was considered a very conservative position right up until Obamacare. Newt was all for it. Lots of conservatives were. Now, it's a liberal position.

Hey, Teddy Roosevelt was a trust buster.  I guess I better join Occupy Wall Street.

Seeing as people hate ObamaCare - the thing Mittens pledged to repeal - because of its mandates, I think his position on them is relevant.  And Important.  I think mandates suck, since I've lived under them.

Still no word on the assault weapon ban I see.  That's a tough circle to square.



Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (FkKjr)

267 >>>Jerry, you should look up the "Laffer curve".

You know, Art Laffer was wrong back in the Reagan days, and he's wrong now. 

Laffer is often cited for the proposition that tax cuts lead to higher government revenues, but that's neither necessarily true (it CAN be true -- in a boom economy and only during one), nor anything but a moral hazard in the form of a further excuse for growing government spending.  Deficit spending isn't anything we should be applauding as conservative orthodoxy, and yet there are still people (not serious conservative economists -- just as Greg Mankiw what he thinks of Laffer) who hold Laffer up as some sort of genius rather than one of the great architects of our national destruction.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (hIWe1)

268 They forced Mitt Romney to elect 26 out of 32 Democrat judges-passing over Republicans by Mitt Romney's own discretion? And they "advised" the hell out of him? Right into a pretzel?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (rJVPU)

269

I will vote for Perry in the primary.  I will gladly vote for Perry, Cain, or Newt in the general.  I will vote while I'm gagging if the nominee is Romney.

With Romney, we'll get the status quo.  I'm sure he and Boehner will become best buds.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (coN0Z)

270 #267 yeah those 24 straight quarters of positive growth in spite of 9/11 and Katrina was really a disaster.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (IqM9e)

271 Granted I have to go read the damn by laws, and research more-so you guys could be right.... But-that leaps out right off the bat...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (rJVPU)

272 So polynikes you are saying Romney is not for global Cap and Trade? Funny, he said he did support it globally.

http://tinyurl.com/5sera85.

Maybe he flipped on the issue?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (8O4/a)

273 It was Ronald Reagan's EPA that came up with the cap and trade idea to get rid of leaded gasoline.

That's right, arch liberal Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 04:00 PM (TMB3S)

Pointing out liberal failings in Ronald Reagan is an odd strategy to try to convince us Mitt is conservative.  Maybe we could focus on the challenging the Soviet Union comparisons?

Oh yeah, Mitt didn't do anything like that.  Your strategy is to say, "Well, Reagan had this problem which Mitt had.  HE'S REAGAN!"

Obama supports cap and trade JUST LIKE REAGAN.  Obama bailed out auto companies JUST LIKE REAGAN bailed out Harley Davidson.  Obama increased spending JUST LIKE REAGAN.

Therefore, Obama is an arch-conservative, more conservative than Mitt.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (FkKjr)

274 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 04:03 PM (hIWe1)

What the hell are you talking about?  The Laffer Curve concerns govt revenue only.  And its damn simple.  Reducing tax rates at the top of the curve increases tax revenues. In the bottom its the opposite.  That's why its curved.

Laffer is not for deficit spending.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (JYheX)

275 JackStraw at October 31, 2011 04:00 PM (

And Romney supports Global Cap and Trade.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (8O4/a)

276 Goddamnit, why won't Paul Ryan run?  Is this the best the entire country can come up with?

Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (AyzfE)

277 Bevel according to the Romney supporters Mittens is Reagan on Steroids.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (8O4/a)

278 >>>*The nominating commission screens applicants for the supreme judicial court at the governor's discretion. The governor's council, also referred to as the executive council, is a constitutionally authorized body that advises the governor on Massachusetts affairs. The eight-member council is elected annually by the general court, Massachusetts' legislature.

And this disproves JackStraw's point how?  I hope you understand that the key verbiage in this passage isn't the "that advises" that you bolded. (That pertains only to "Massachusetts affairs" and is a function the Council serves INDEPENDENT of their judicial one -- you did realize that, didn't you?)  It's "The nominating commission SCREENS applicants for the supreme judicial court."  That's "screens" as in "decides whether the candidate will be passed onto the legislature."

And, as stated in the passage, all eight members of the council are selected by the 85% liberal Democratic legislature.

You do realize that you have utterly proved our point about how Romney's judicial appointments were completely constrained by this Governor's Council, right?  Did you think you were undermining our claims by posting that? 

Talk about an own-goal!

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (hIWe1)

279 I really do not want to vote for Willard.  It's like McCain deja' vu all over again.  Goddamnit.

Posted by: Cornfused Yet Again at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (AyzfE)

280 Bevel according to the Romney supporters Mittens is Reagan on Steroids.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 04:08 PM (8O4/a)

Yes, it's a tautology for them.  It's built into their logic.  If they can shit on another candidate, the *only* logical conclusion is that you must support Mitt. 

Jack did it with Perry where he's talking about how *I* love Perry's immigration stance.  I don't love it.  But he doesn't understand that someone can assess candidates for their sins in a comprehensive manner and come out with the conclusion that Mitt sucks compared to that candidate.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (FkKjr)

281 >>Still no word on the assault weapon ban I see. That's a tough circle to square. Not tough at all. Again, if you lived in MA when it was all the rage you know that it was heavily supported by law enforcement all across the state. It was very actively supported by the people of the state. Romney was the governor of the state. He did the bidding of his citizenry. Governors in different states have different challenges. In northern states with large urban centers guns and gangs have always been a problem. Chrisite is for gun control. Rudy was all about gun control for NYC. It's not at all inconsistent for Romney to be for allowing each state to place the gun restrictions they deem appropriate for their state. That's what the 10th Amendment is all about. It can't only work for other candidates. As to the stimulus, Romney was for a gov't stimulus. He was never for the one Obama did. Not inconsistent with conservative orthodoxy at all. Reagan had an enormous stimulus to go along with his tax cuts. He spent like crazy on defense. Even if he didn't expressly call it a stimulus that's exactly what it was. Romney has also called for boosting defense spending. Another bogus talking point going around by the anyone but Romney crowd is that he was for bailing out the auto industry. In fact, he came out with the exact same position. The left knows this. They have already been hammering him for "wanting to let Detroit go bankrupt". But people here keep saying he wanted to bail them out so it must be true!

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (TMB3S)

282 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 04:12 PM (FkKjr)

+100

Posted by: Baroque at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (B0LGd)

283

Say Ace - are there any in-the-know, unreportable stories on the Obamas? I'm not asking what the stories are, just is there anything circulating out there substantially different from what we've already heard through alternative media, that is reasonably credible?

My guess would be not. Because, the publicly-available information about the Obamas was bad enough, and yet simply did not matter.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (w41GQ)

284 I hear one of the candidates likes boned chicken. He likes to bone them him self. SQUAWK!!!

Posted by: Colonel Sanders at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (9NQ6I)

285 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (fyOgS)

286

No they aren't the best.

You have people like me. But the thing is, I couldn't get elected without being killed by the MSM. I have been divorced, I am a conservative woman and I fooled around a bit with the maryjane in my youth.

So even though I am qualified, I would be portrayed as a pothead slut who couldn't even keep a husband LOL.

I would NEVER put my young daughter through the spotlight. Unlike others, my mouth would NOT stay shut if they dared to say something bad about her!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (xeVap)

287 Not tough at all. Again, if you lived in MA when it was all the rage you know that it was heavily supported by law enforcement all across the state. It was very actively supported by the people of the state. Romney was the governor of the state. He did the bidding of his citizenry.

I lived here during its signing and hated it.  And since I still live in the state >now<, I know what a silly law it is.  This doesn't convince me he's a principled conservative.  All it convinces me is that if something a conservative finds abhorrent is popular, Mitt will support it.  Not convincing me to make him the guy carrying our standard.

I'll point out also guns aren't a tenth amendment issue.  They're a second amendment issue.

Another bogus talking point going around by the anyone but Romney crowd is that he was for bailing out the auto industry. In fact, he came out with the exact same position.

Mitt wanted to give them 16 billion dollars in research and development funding in 2007.  He did this while he was touring Michigan for the primary.

Stimulus spending doesn't work, but Mitt thinks it does.  That frightens me.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (FkKjr)

288

Funny. I've never seen Chaz Bono and David Frum in the same place at the same time.

And yes, Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, who snorts coke and has sex with dudes.

Posted by: Barry H Obeyme at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (3oPjL)

289 Jeff B. >*The nominating commission screens applicants for the supreme judicial court at the governor's discretion. Now explain that part of it. Try top be succinct-I know you are a lawyer and that you can... . . . . type. Also see if you can avoid the all caps. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (rJVPU)

290 >>Jack did it with Perry where he's talking about how *I* love Perry's immigration stance. I don't love it. But he doesn't understand that someone can assess candidates for their sins in a comprehensive manner and come out with the conclusion that Mitt sucks compared to that candidate. Oh horse shit. Another one of your typical strawmen. Anybody who supports Romney must support everything he's ever done. I don't. I've stated over and over that I don't like the MA healtcare plan. Not because it affected me, it doesn't. I have healthcare through my company as to the overwhelming number of people in MA. My costs haven't gone up anymore than they were every year with the crazy way the cost of healthcare is going up. Nor have my wait times gone up. But I knew that the liberals would take it and layer on all sorts of dumb shit to make this thing into a Frankenstein over time and they have. Romney wanted a simple catastrophic insurance plan that would have been cheap and allowed people to cover the huge costs they might incur in case of an emergency. Previously, it had been us taxpayer. How my paying for someone else's healthcare is a conservative position has never been explained to me. But I also can look at the totality of a candidate and decide for myself who would be 1) best to go up against Obama 2) be a strong fiscal conservative and 3) do the least dumb things. If you can look at the other candidates and say there is someone who hits those targets better for you then go for it. For me, at least so far, it's Romney and frankly it isn't even close. If you think Perry has a chance to stand on a stage and go toe to toe with Obama let alone has demonstrated the energy for a grueling year long+ campaign then you are seeing something I'm not. You not Romney's are such delicate flowers. Butch up.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (TMB3S)

291 Try ^to^ be succinct... You can do it!!!! (Waterboy 2012)

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (rJVPU)

292 I don't know who was or wasn't drunk, Cain or Perry or whoever, but I know the current GOP field makes me want to stay drunk for at least the next 4 years. Jeez. I hope Perry didn't pay anyone for the advice to do a speech like this.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (haFNK)

293 >>*The nominating commission screens applicants for the supreme judicial court at the governor's discretion. >>Now explain that part of it. Pretty simple actually. The MA Governors Council is not as it might appear appointed by the governor. There are 8 of them and they are elected by the people on a regional basis much like state reps. In reality, these are often ex-reps and other government hacks that move on to this cooshy job that really doesn't do much but pays pretty good. If you look at the make up of state reps in MA, they are overwhelmingly liberal dems in the Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, John Kerry mold. So are the members of the Gov Council for the same reason. No judge gets appointed in this state without going through this council. That's the way it works. Romney could appoint the most conservative judge in the world ... and the council could just say no. That's the reality. So Romney appointed the most conservative judges he could get through the system. Most were ex-prosecutors and law and order types. But he was never going to get a movement conservative judge appointed. Not possible.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (TMB3S)

294 Lets stop the debates for Rick Perry's sake.. Lets stop having speeches for Rick Perry's sake. Hell, lets just stop having campaigns for Rick Perry's sake

Posted by: Winning at October 31, 2011 11:51 AM (80nuu)

295 JackStraw I have to go follow up on various links at the sight I mentioned plus read I think it's State Law 500 blah,blah, blah...don't have the site pulled up right now... but- to me when something says that it is at the Governor's discretion it sounds like the Governor just might have a choice in the matter...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:57 AM (rJVPU)

296 Most were ex-prosecutors and law and order types. OK I hear you here.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:57 AM (rJVPU)

297 >>>to me when something says that it is at the Governor's discretion it sounds like the Governor just might have a choice in the matter...

The language about "at the Governor's discretion" merely means that the governor chooses which candidates to send to the Council for approval.  It doesn't mean that the governor can decide whether to use the Council or not, as he sees fit.  ALL higher court appointees have get screened through the Council. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 31, 2011 12:02 PM (hIWe1)

298 Oh horse shit. Another one of your typical strawmen. Anybody who supports Romney must support everything he's ever done. I don't.

 I have never seen you say Mitt was wrong on anything.

I've stated over and over that I don't like the MA healtcare plan.


This is news to me.  I will say from personal experience that the mandate portion sucks.  If you ever don't get that form from your company (or companies), have fun.

But I also can look at the totality of a candidate and decide for myself who would be 1) best to go up against Obama 2) be a strong fiscal conservative and 3) do the least dumb things. If you can look at the other candidates and say there is someone who hits those targets better for you then go for it. For me, at least so far, it's Romney and frankly it isn't even close.

Rick Perry will reform entitlements.  He touched the third rail.  He can't walk back calling SS a "Ponzi scheme".  Mitt's not even willing to speak against it.  Is he really going to expend political capital - and risk electoral defeat - to reform entitlements?  Cause we need somebody willing to do that.  Fixing America will require putting your own political career on the line.  Rick Perry went there, and Romney engaged in juvenile word games to scaremonger seniors when he did.

You not Romney's are such delicate flowers. Butch up.

This doesn't even mean anything.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 12:06 PM (FkKjr)

299 Ok went back to another page on that site; Judicial Selection in the States: Massachusetts JUDICIAL MERIT SELECTION: CURRENT STATUS The Massachusetts judiciary is composed of the supreme judicial court, the appeals court, and the trial court. Seven departments make up the trial court: the superior court, the district court, the Boston Municipal Court, the juvenile court, the housing court, the land court, and the probate and family court. Since 1780, Massachusetts judges have been appointed for life by the governor with the consent of the governor's council. Since 1975, Massachusetts governors have created nominating commissions by executive order to advise them in making judicial appointments. There is also this: Methods of Judicial Selection: Massachusetts Judicial Nominating Commissions In 1975, Governor Dukakis adopted an executive order establishing a judicial nominating commission to screen candidates for judicial vacancies. Since that time, each of Massachusetts' governors has utilized a nominating commission to appoint judges. Under Executive Order 500, the judicial nominating commission advises the governor regarding appointments to the appeals court and trial court departments. The commission screens applicants for the supreme judicial court at the governor's discretion. The commission's twenty-one members are appointed by the governor and serve one-year terms at the governor's pleasure. The commission screens applicants and submits a list of three to six candidates to governor. The governor may decline to nominate one of these candidates, request further recommendations from the commission, or request that the application process be reopened.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:08 PM (rJVPU)

300 Jeff B. It doesn't mean that the governor can decide whether to use the Council or not, as he sees fit. OK I see that. But why couldn't Romney undo what Dukakis did-*if* Dukakis did that by Executive Order? (And it's Executive Order 500 that I have to read up on...) Plus the rest of that language that I highlighted in the last quote still seems to me like Romney had more of a choice in the matter... But as I said I need to get more up to speed on it.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:11 PM (rJVPU)

301 Jeebus and the site seems to conflict what they wrote here in a footnote: The governor's council, also referred to as the executive council, is a constitutionally authorized body that advises the governor on Massachusetts affairs. The eight-member council is elected annually by the general court, Massachusetts' legislature. So that goes to the legislature using this as a block... That supports what you guys are saying. oy.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:14 PM (rJVPU)

302 "Drunk? Doesn't seem like it to me."

Not plastered stumbling falling down stoned out of his gourd drunk...just punch drunk "Goofy" --dirt by degree.

Allowances for what qualifies as "drunk" from ace...same leniency given Carl Cameron's habitual quoting himself as an anonymous Congressional insider for a story...but no wiggle room at Ace's inn for Cain?

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 12:25 PM (lpWVn)

303 Members of the MA Governor's Council are elected. To get a grip of the legal fight in MA, just look at Deval's SJC picks. Romney had none. Radicals saw an opportunity to push Barbara Lenk, lesbian radical, who once ruled that filial sodomy of a young boy is exempt from incest laws because anal sex does not result in procreation. He also nominates Fernande Duffly, radical Indonesian-American. Promoted Roderick Ireland to Chief, radical African-American. Nominated Margot Botsford , radical feminist. He also nominated a token white boy radical, Gants. What many people dont realize is that there is a line of Democrats in MA that is more conservative than the old line Republicans, especially on law and order and social issues. Its not the 'R' or the 'D' that is the fight in MA, its the fight to keep radicals out of power, much like the Brown/Warren race. Even though they are still scumbags a lot of the Dems from the old Irish-Catholic mold usually make decent picks for judicial appointments.

Posted by: Winning at October 31, 2011 12:42 PM (80nuu)

304 I think most people have behaved badly, which is why no-previous-vetting people like Cain wig me out. We have no idea WHAT is in their past.

We're going to find out with Cain. I know many don't like it. Tough shit. That's the reality. Screaming about it to any convenient scapegoat won't change that reality.

Exactly, just what the hell do the Cain supporters think is buried in those hundreds of hours of old radio shows? Discussions about Aunt Bea's recipes? Local weather? Restaurant ratings? It was a political radio show and Cain has already shown he'll jump on anything without thinking when he knew everybody was listening; what he spitballed and threw out there years ago is guaranteed to be worse.

Also, you all haven't even heard of the stack of fired employees who will be willing to dish all sorts of dirt--true or not--about Cain.

Not Cain, not this time, not at this hour--we need someone who has been in politics, who knows what the hell they are doing. Not a fancy speech and slickness.

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 31, 2011 12:43 PM (hROVJ)

305 Winning Thanks for the details. So basically the Irish Catholic types in Massachusetts are sort of Reagan Democrats...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 12:56 PM (rJVPU)

306 >>You not Romney's are such delicate flowers. Butch up. >>This doesn't even mean anything. Sure it does. There are like 4 of us here that support or at least defend Romney against all the bloggers and the vast majority of commenters. Nothing, and I mean nothing, negative ever gets posted about Perry and there is tons of it out there. It makes it seem like Perry is Mr. Perfect Conservative. Some of you guys take this like its a religious war. It's not. Simply a difference of opinion as to who would make a better candidate and President.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2011 01:26 PM (TMB3S)

307 I'm a Perry supporter, but for what it's worth Perry has been drunk off his ass every single time I've met him in person (3 times over the last 5 years or so). I think all politicians are--people offer them drinks and they just take them. Still better than the crack addict we have in office right now.

Posted by: ScottDog at October 31, 2011 01:32 PM (wqHFe)

308 Thanks for being the only blogger to point out that it was cleverly edited by his opponents.  It was put out to make him look bad.  Once again most of the right followed right along. 

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 01:56 PM (FGq5b)

309 I guess I missed the 7 thousand plus people waiting all day in the cold rain just to hear Perry or Cain or Romney or whoever and yell run Rick run. I guessed I missed every other candidate, pundit, and hack repeating now familiar mantras such as crony capitalism, drill here drill now, etc. etc. I guess I missed the part where the wacko left media accused her of being drunk during a speech or whatever. But, she is a woman and therefore by Ace of Spuds standard, not really serious candidate. Oh, and per the spud standard, Rick Perry is. Thank-you and good night.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at October 31, 2011 02:29 PM (wht0o)

310

Oh, Cain never did have a chance.  He was going to be out of this thing sooner or later.

But that doesn't mean he needed to be personally destroyed via what is pretty obviously another high-tech lynching.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 03:29 PM (Xnw5y)


Damn, that is righteous right there, especially coming from you.

Flat out hilarious actually.    Don't even see it, do you?

Posted by: Steph at October 31, 2011 02:29 PM (Lo/pm)

311 Just checked. Yep Romney still sux.

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at October 31, 2011 03:03 PM (RW+8z)

312 52 "aka Rich Little"

Sorry I hear shit before you do, you fucking moron.

I'm so fucking sick of the childish cunts who believe those who REPORT the news MAKE the news. Like I went fucking back in time and FORCED Cain to proposition dozens of women and have an affair.

yeah, I said it, asshole. If you want to know what I'm hearing, there it is.

Fucking lunatics.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 02:56 PM (nj1bB)

Wow.  Mad bro?

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