May 30, 2016

Reviving Memorial Day Traditions [KT]
— Open Blogger

Further to the two moving post below,


6 Facts about the History of Memorial Day

There is a town in New Jersey that is bringing a Memorial Day tradition back to life, complete with a reading of the Gettysburg Address.

Interesting. I wonder if there are similar revivals in other places. Is your town or city doing anything special or different this year to make Memorial Day more meaningful? Either something new or something that hasn't been done for years?

Or, has your town or city maintained a meaningful ceremonial remembrance over the years? Do people still participate in such public commemorations where you live? I think we lose something important when these observances fade away.

Of course, for some, Memorial Day will always be personal.

Open Thread.

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1 Howdy all.

Posted by: Sixkiller at May 30, 2016 11:44 AM (pcyHg)

2 WTF?  I'm never even top 10.

Posted by: Sixkiller at May 30, 2016 11:45 AM (pcyHg)

3 Crap. Read both links, plus the post and still in the top ten. Good. Maybe Morons are remembering, not surfing.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at May 30, 2016 11:48 AM (cgH9o)

4 Was in a gas station earlier today.  Guy at the next pump, all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, says "Happy Memorial Day!" to me.  I couldn't help myself.  I replied, "This isn't a happy day, this isn't a day of celebration, this is a day of remembrance, for those whose untold sacrifices helped keep our country free."  Then I touched the brim of my hat and said, "Absent comrades."

He had no fucking idea what I was talking about.  Which pissed me off even more.  So I just fueled up and left.

Posted by: Sixkiller at May 30, 2016 11:48 AM (pcyHg)

5 My wife overheard the exchange I mentioned above.  I got back in the truck and she told me, "Not everyone understands what Memorial Day is all about.  If they didn't serve, didn't have parents or relatives that served, they don't know.  You probably didn't have to be a dick about it."

Me:  "I wasn't a dick about it.  I kept my voice level.  Besides, he wasn't bleeding was he?  How else will they learn if someone doesn't point it out to them?"

Posted by: Sixkiller at May 30, 2016 11:51 AM (pcyHg)

6 Picked up a friend from the hospital today.  His roommate was a veteran of WWII.  Former school superintendent, now legally blind.  Didn't want to talk about the war.  Memorial Day is personal for him, too. 

Posted by: KT at May 30, 2016 11:51 AM (qahv/)

7 Crap. The suspect in the Houston shooting has been identified and looks like a young veteran . If I had to guess some type of PSTD was triggered.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 11:52 AM (MNgU2)

8 willowed on the previous thread:

This isn't Enigma, but here's a poly-alphabetic cipher machine made from Lego pieces:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Poly-Alphabetic-Cipher-Machine/

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 11:54 AM (UHKOQ)

9 All my Jarhead friends that died: Donahue, Joyce, Leader, Milnes, Badeaux. Semper Fi brothers.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 30, 2016 11:54 AM (ob5xJ)

10 each year, there seems to be less flags put out on holidays such as this......if you don't keep the tradition alive, who will?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 30, 2016 11:55 AM (0O7c5)

11 My town does nothing but it's tiny. A slightly larger town nearby has a parade and and vets from here go over there to walk in it. It's like something out of the 1950's and very cool. Can't fly the flag today as it's

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 30, 2016 11:56 AM (3myMJ)

12 rainy.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 30, 2016 11:56 AM (3myMJ)

13 Bought some bourbon so I can raise a proper toast to the fallen later today.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 11:58 AM (MQEz6)

14 And of course I called my Dad the WWII vet. I just listen to him as he can't hear much of anything now even with hearing aids. He spent time in tanks, which didn't help.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 30, 2016 11:59 AM (3myMJ)

15 Went to a shortened Memorial ceremony only a minister, mayor and fire chief spoke. Around 50 people attended, my dad said last year with expanded ceremonies had a couple of hundred but the change was there wasn't a parade so many didn't know. I marched in it a couple of times as a kid, always got a ice cream cup afterward from factory who makes it in town.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 12:00 PM (3wHFl)

16 Me and the neighbor about three houses down were the only one fling the flag this weekend.  I am not flying it today because it has been raining all day.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at May 30, 2016 12:00 PM (vvmPQ)

17 16 Me and the neighbor about three houses down were the only one fling the flag this weekend. I am not flying it today because it has been raining all day.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 30, 2016 05:00 PM (vvmPQ)



Good news from CA: the house across the street, and the one next to it, are flying the flag, along with us, of course. Can't see the other houses all that well.

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at May 30, 2016 12:02 PM (oKE6c)

18 The rain which was predicted to be in inches blew away so that was why the parade was canceled.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 12:02 PM (3wHFl)

19 I've seen extra flags around the hood. We visited the cemetery at Ft Sam Saturday and saw all many thousands of little flags, one at each grave. USAA put up a display of 640,000 poppies in their HQ, one for each service member who's died since WW1. I think I saw that Ft Sam had to cancel the ceremony this morning due to the storm.

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 12:05 PM (ozZau)

20 Go to Gettysburg. Before the SJWs erase it. Go in the summer, when it's hot. Stand in the tree line and look across that field at The Angle. Then go around to The Angle and look back. If you know what happened that day in July, it's breathtaking to stand there and look at that incredibly small space and think of those young men, in wool coats both Blue and Grey. Of course, that battle had gone on for three days. Read Michael Shaara's Killer Angels, or if you are short on time, watch th miniseries Gettysburg done by Ted Turner. To read about the Devil's Den and Little Round Top and then see them.... Last full measure indeed.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 12:06 PM (2Ocf1)

21
By the flow of the inland river,
Whence the fleets of iron have fled,
Where the blades of the grave-grass quiver,
Asleep on the ranks of the dead;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Under the one, the Blue;
Under the other, the Gray.

These in the robings of glory,
Those in the gloom of defeat;
All with the battle-blood gory,
In the dusk of eternity meet;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Under the laurel, the Blue;
Under the willow, the Gray.

From the silence of sorrowful hours,
The desolate mourners go,
Lovingly laden with flowers,
Alike for the friend and the foe;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Under the roses, the Blue;
Under the lilies, the Gray.

So, with an equal splendor,
The morning sun-rays fall,
With a touch impartially tender,
On the blossoms blooming for all;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Broidered with gold, the Blue;
Mellowed with gold, the Gray.

So, when the summer calleth,
On forest and field of grain,
With an equal murmur falleth
The cooling drip of the rain;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Wet with the rain, the Blue;
Wet with the rain, the Gray.

Sadly, but not with upbraiding,
The generous deed was done;
In the storm of the years that are fading,
No braver battle was won;
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Under the blossoms, the Blue;
Under the garlands, the Gray.

No more shall the war-cry sever,
Or the winding rivers be red;
They banish our anger forever,
When they laurel the graves of our dead.
Under the sod and the dew,
Waiting the judgment day;
Love and tears for the Blue;
Tears and love for the Gray.



Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 12:06 PM (auUHv)

22 That second link made it all blurry in here.

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 12:09 PM (5DSEi)

23 I will try to watch "The War" this week. It was a yearly tradition with me, and I thought that as time went on and with each passing viewing I'd become use to it. Instead, I found myself sobbing harder and harder every year, so I skipped watching it the past few years. But, I'll watch again, to see how much was given, how much was lost and how much was gained. I'm starting to get a bit emotional right now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 30, 2016 12:11 PM (p4UlV)

24 Our rural area always has a service and has done so since the late 1860s. Reading the Gettysburg Address is, ahem, not a part of the service. But they honor the fallen with much gratitude and somberness every year and you will never see a more patriotic bunch, nor people who love their country more.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2016 12:12 PM (YHcVd)

25 I have posted a few wartime poems that have meaning for me at CJN. The link is in my nic, for those interested.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 30, 2016 12:12 PM (p4UlV)

26 That last link was awfully moving. I couldn't help but think of Mom. She buried not one, but two Veteran husbands. Dad at Arlington at a very young age - with 4 young kids in tow. Then again 30 years later, Dad #2. Yeah, Memorial Day is kind of personal around here.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 12:13 PM (JHTph)

27 That second link made it all blurry in here. Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 05:09 PM (5DSEi) Thanks for the tip, I hadn't clicked before but I am glad I did!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at May 30, 2016 12:16 PM (wYnyS)

28 Thanks to Chi for the correction, the 3rd linl.

Bless them all!

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 12:17 PM (5DSEi)

29 If you've lost someone in war, then Memorial Day truly is every day. I feel such a strong connection to an uncle I never knew and to all those of my dad's generation that didn't make it back. I can't explain it. Maybe in the hereafter, it will make sense.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 30, 2016 12:18 PM (p4UlV)

30 Arlington Cemetary was Robert E Lee's home. He obviously had to move away, what with leading the Army of the South and all. The US seized the property then just to show they meant business planted his son who had been killed in a battle in the front yard.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 12:21 PM (2Ocf1)

31
All our little 2x4 towns here have some sort of remembrance ceremony.  Some big, most small, but each is sincere.

  To me, this is an affirmation of my country.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 12:21 PM (X35Yt)

32 Here's some people who don't give a damn.  I linked to this from Fox a few days ago.  Its a story about assholes digging holes all over Petersburg Battlefeild in VA looking for relics.


http://nydn.us/22sr5L5

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at May 30, 2016 12:21 PM (vvmPQ)

33 Our town doesn't have a Memorial Day parade. Being this close to DC most local activities center around the monuments and memorials on the Mall and at Arlington Cemetery. However, Rolling Thunder does start out from the local Harley dealership. It is an impressive, and NOISY, assembly.

Posted by: JTB at May 30, 2016 12:21 PM (V+03K)

34 The Houston shooter was from San Bernadino. Was he going to attack Memorial Methodist Church? On Memorial Drive? Did Houston Good Samaritan stop the shooter from carrying out a Church massacre? What was in the military bag detonated by police? They seem to always time their attacks to coincide with some date of significance for their conquering cause. May 29 is the date Muslims captured the seat of Byzantine Christianity, Constantinople. The history books state they entered the city at 10:00 AM and began their slaughter. Yesterday was May 29. The shooter began his attack 10:00 AM. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this attack. I`ve attended services at that Church.

Posted by: Conjuring 2 at May 30, 2016 12:22 PM (PcHwJ)

35 Willowed: Mr Aspirin Factory: Thank you. Just waiting to hear the "word" from Mom that the end is near and then she wants me to travel. It's about 250 miles so she wants me to stay up in Seattle and work until we know for sure. Not sure I like that strategy for dealing with my Dad's death, but Mom is the boss so I will defer to her. NaCly Dog: Your cousin who died on picket duty counts in my book. Thanks for the website, JHW. That Park Service site I used does have unit info, so I will definitely use your link.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 30, 2016 12:23 PM (hUPKb)

36 Feck. Wrong sig. Spoonman here. Something is up in HTown. Tight lid on info. Wonder if they are looking for others in a cell.

Posted by: Spoonman at May 30, 2016 12:25 PM (PcHwJ)

37 Hey, Infidel. How've you been? Almost OT: Looking through TV guide for something to watch tonight, I see a movie called Memorial Day is coming on. IMDB reviews looked like it would be decent. Anyone seen it?

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 12:25 PM (JHTph)

38 Fortunate not to have lost any relations during active service, so far as I knew or knew of.  But in the extended family, those passed who served include my dad (2 wars), granddad (2 wars), father-in-law (2 wars), mother, and of course the families of them all who stood and waited.  To fallen heroes, all.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 30, 2016 12:30 PM (KMWZc)

39 Rob Lowe suggests 13 Hours as perfect Memorial Day movie.

Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 30, 2016 12:31 PM (qUNWi)

40
My maternal Grandmother, a deep south Texican, always called today Decoration Day, as learned from her grandparents.

My late father, filthy POS that he was, was the only male member of our family to not have served, back to the civil war.

Everyone of them made it back home, although Gramps damn near got whacked by Grandma when as a soon to be ex-Corporeal he got drunk, stole a Colonels government sedan, went joy riding around Ft. Riley, and wrecked it, lol.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 12:32 PM (KId5h)

41 Believe it or not you can find some pretty good ceremonies in Los Angeles.  We go every year to Forest Lawn Cemetary, Hollywood Hills.  I think all the Forest Lawn locations do something for Memorial Day.  At Hollywood Hills, they have color guards from a local JROTC and a local Boy Scout Troop (with buglers- yes multiple!) and the Police band with good vocalists, and a pipe and drum corp does Amazing Grace.  They honor the fallen, honor vets, have some pretty good speakers- this year was a Gold Star Mom who was trying to rebuild support for Wounded Warrior Project after the scandal about the former CEO and COO.  For years this was the City Council District of Tom LaBonge, who has been in L.A. politics forever, and is your traditional local gregarious gladhander politician.  He was always good for Veteran's Day, and always not reverent enough for Memorial Day and I Hated that they felt obliged to have him as speaker.  This year he retired and the new councilman is Paul Krekorian.  He's also a Democrat, but I have to say his speech was quite good, and he even put borrowed phrase from Reagan in it, so kudos to him for making it about the day and not him or politics.  This event draws about 3-400 people, and Forest Lawn gives out free cold water bottles and Ice Cream after the event.  You can't beat the location in their 'Court of Liberty' with the giant mosaic mural of scenes from the founding of our country on it as the backdrop.  After the ceremony, I drag the kids to the adjacent Lincoln courtyard and read them the Gettysburg Address- perhaps the greatest memorial words ever spoken.  Then we visit the grave of James E. Suh, Navy SEAL who was killed in the Helo shoot down in Operation Red Wings.  I do that to try to personalize it for the kids a little- that this is about real people who made real sacrifices and left loved ones behind.

After that, the day is free to make of it what we wish, and to appreciate the kind of life that others sacrificed so much to allow for us.

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at May 30, 2016 12:32 PM (98Feg)

42 Just pulled the flag in. It was out for maybe 5 hours, and now thunderstorms are rolling in. Got a picture of my daughter by the flag and sent it to the veterans in our family.

Posted by: pookysgirl at May 30, 2016 12:33 PM (K27gs)

43 All our little 2x4 towns here have some sort of remembrance ceremony.
Some big, most small, but each is sincere.

To me, this is an affirmation of my country.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 05:21 PM (X35Yt)


Glad to hear it. Public displays of unabashed patriotism are one thing the community-organizer-in-chief hasn't been able to prevent or ruin. I'll bet he hates them, though.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 12:34 PM (UHKOQ)

44 39 Rob Lowe suggests 13 Hours as perfect Memorial Day movie.

Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 30, 2016 05:31 PM (qUNWi)


I'll be watching that one, too, right after Midway.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 12:35 PM (UHKOQ)

45 Hi Chi.

Today is a solemn day for me.

Lots of changes at the salt mine.  Not sure how long I will be employed.

Getting ready to storm here, I hesitate to bring in the flag so early.

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 12:36 PM (5DSEi)

46 Posted by: Conjuring 2 at May 30, 2016 05:22 PM (PcHwJ) None of that is coincidental, and none of it will be brought up on the news.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2016 12:38 PM (YHcVd)

47 Our little town didn't have any organized services this year because the main road through town is undergoing a full reconstruction and the entire town is one big detour. What I did notice is that many more businesses are closed today to observe Memorial Day than in years past. It is progress.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 30, 2016 12:40 PM (Smc8E)

48 Those that win the wars write the history.


 
The FIRST Memorial Day?  1866 honoring Confederate dead.



Yankees liked the idea, so they stole it.  Not the first time this has happen. Glad this did, BUT give credit where it is due.




http://tinyurl.com/juljews

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 12:40 PM (S0Cig)

49 Amen, Nip.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2016 12:42 PM (YHcVd)

50 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2016 05:38 PM (YHcVd) Unless he got converted , he was a 25 year old Hispanic who had four tours in Afghanistan. Of course anything is possible. There was a similar incident in CA a few years ago where a similar profile ambushed law enforcement.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 12:43 PM (MNgU2)

51 When I first saw the title of this post from across the room, I thought it said "Revolving Memorial Day Traditions". Since that didn't make any sense, I thought it might be "Revolting Memorial Day Traditions" and growled at the thought of some new outrage from Progressives.... Now I'm off to see what it really meant....

Posted by: cthulhu at May 30, 2016 12:43 PM (EzgxV)

52 Those that win the wars write the history. Nip The exception that proves the rule - the Spanish Civil War

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 12:44 PM (MNgU2)

53 From the Flag Code; The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed. Not sure what constitute s an "all-weather" flag though...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 30, 2016 12:45 PM (4DCSq)

54 My Father, my Father-in-law and every one of my Uncles served....I am not worthy.

Posted by: Clarney at May 30, 2016 12:45 PM (dgO4h)

55 Born to booze with my cirrhosis sister Hillary! Woo! Party!

Posted by: Imbibing Biden at May 30, 2016 12:45 PM (gwG9s)

56 How are you Chi?

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 12:45 PM (5DSEi)

57 30 Arlington Cemetary was Robert E Lee's home. He obviously had to move away, what with leading the Army of the South and all. The US seized the property then just to show they meant business planted his son who had been killed in a battle in the front yard.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 05:21 PM (2Ocf1)


Yes AND  Lee's family had to sue the Yankees to pay for the 1,100 acres they confiscated.




http://tinyurl.com/j54khq8

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 12:45 PM (S0Cig)

58 I brought the flag in.  This has not been a good spring.

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 12:46 PM (5DSEi)

59 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 05:43 PM (MNgU2) I get what you're saying, but they're being awfully tight-lipped about the whole thing. He could certainly have just had a beef with the guy at the repair shop.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2016 12:49 PM (YHcVd)

60 Not sure what constitute s an "all-weather" flag though... Posted by: Spun and Murky ------------------ Nylon, not cotton. I fly one every day, with the exception of heavy winds of horrible storms.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 12:49 PM (JHTph)

61 32 Here's some people who don't give a damn. I linked to this from Fox a few days ago. Its a story about assholes digging holes all over Petersburg Battlefeild in VA looking for relics.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 30, 2016 05:21 PM (vvmPQ)

Ugh.  Here in L.A., vermin taggers painted over part of a POW/MIA memorial mural in Venice.

Good news is a bunch of people got right on fixing it back up.

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at May 30, 2016 12:51 PM (98Feg)

62 We went to the service at the Lexington (KY) National Cemetery. There was a great crowd as always, lots of kids this year which was heartening. The American Legion plays a big part, and this year they included the Camp Nelson Honor Guard with a caisson and riderless horse. They also do a rifle salute and cannon salute, sing the National Anthem, and lay a wreath. We go every year and it's so moving. The Cemetery itself is gorgeous, Henry Clay and John Hunt Morgan are interred there as well as hundreds of Civil War soldiers and many of Lexington's founding families. If you're ever in Lex in the spring it's a must-see.

Posted by: Shinypie at May 30, 2016 12:51 PM (3nZXa)

63 60
Not sure what constitute s an "all-weather" flag though...
Posted by: Spun and Murky
------------------
Nylon, not cotton.
I fly one every day, with the exception of heavy winds of horrible storms.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 05:49 PM (JHTph)


Yeah, nylon, but second that not if high winds.  A wet flag in heavy wind will get torn apart fast.

Posted by: Wysiwyg Mtwzzyzx at May 30, 2016 12:52 PM (98Feg)

64
  My flag flies 24/7/366.It is mounted to the side of the house and is displayed in accord with flag protocol.

  I will do this until I am no longer physically capable.

 It is the most appropriate way I can honor my country.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 12:53 PM (X35Yt)

65 My flag flies 24/7/366.It is mounted to the side of the house and is displayed in accord with flag protocol. We've have had a flag up continually since 911...

Posted by: donna at May 30, 2016 12:55 PM (O2RFr)

66 Amen Grampa

Posted by: Clarney at May 30, 2016 12:56 PM (dgO4h)

67 @60 *OR horrible storms. I'm doing OK, infidel. Just trying to maintain. Basically, SSDD. Last month or so, it seems like I should have been out there building an ark...

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 12:56 PM (JHTph)

68 @64

I am sure you keep it lit as required at night?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 12:57 PM (S0Cig)

69 Knowing Gettysburg as I do, I often wonder how they keep such a large area from souvenir hunters digging.  Of course in town you can buy minie balls almost anywhere real or not.  And of course quite a bit of the area is also private,  so I guess some dig in those spots.

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 12:57 PM (fxoKC)

70 my dad is a WW2 vet, His 90th birthday was yesterday. He won't watch the war movies anymore, all of his friends are gone now.

Posted by: Abby Coffey at May 30, 2016 12:58 PM (HBU7W)

71 Nylon, not cotton. Thanks, Chi. Mine is 70% polyester and 30% cotton. I wonder if that counts. No rain, but 99% humidity here. And it's flying...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 30, 2016 12:58 PM (4DCSq)

72 @  68

   Like I posted, in accord with flag protocol.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 12:59 PM (X35Yt)

73
  Something amusing to me about displaying the flag,we have been at this house for 6 years now,and the flag has  been out since we moved in.  At that time there was no one else displaying.

   Now, all 9 houses on our road have flags out.

   Makes me smile.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 01:04 PM (X35Yt)

74 I'm hoping that the excitement of the 100th running of the Indy 500 can bring it back as an American tradition. Why? because they do it right, right down to US Army Bugler playing taps during the televised pre-race ceremony.

Posted by: phreshone at May 30, 2016 01:06 PM (12kBq)

75 Man Red State has gone full tard.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 01:06 PM (g8Hfr)

76 Read an article today about the flag business is doing well this year.  Probably election year. Hillary doesn't inspire me to buy a flag (I have one on my flag pole anyway)  Maybe Trump, who knows.

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 01:07 PM (fxoKC)

77 That's awesome, irongranpa!

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 01:09 PM (5DSEi)

78 53 Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 30, 2016 05:45 PM (4DCSq) They are usually Nylon and designed not to run. They have individual stitches and are sewn on.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)

79 I did buy a couple of Nylon flags online last year,  got them, made in China....Went to Home Depot and bought a USA flag!

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 01:14 PM (fxoKC)

80 S and M, I would think a polyester flag is good to go. Maybe not a cotton blend, though. Irongrampa, sadly, with a few 100 homes in my neighborhood, I may be the only one that flies Old Glory daily. I do see barren old rusty flagpoles in some yards, though. Not judging, it's just something I notice. I've been flying the colors for as long as I can remember. Used to help raise her way back in elementary school. Phreshone, I'm not a NASCAR fan, but I got a chuckle out of the pic of the port-a-potties at Charlotte. See WZ from earlier today.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 01:14 PM (JHTph)

81 1800 today Pacific Coast time I will hoist a proper salute and toast those who gave all. I've served in three wars and only lost one man. I will honor him and then go about the evening in wonderment that our country can produce such outstanding men and women. I am blessed to have served with them.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 30, 2016 01:15 PM (08Znv)

82 so Red State has decided like Jeff B and others that winning is losing...

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 01:17 PM (g8Hfr)

83 My town has a parade ever year, after which there is a short ceremony at a local park, where there is a small cemetery and memorials to war veterans. Some of the last names on the WWI plaque are still to be found in our community.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at May 30, 2016 01:17 PM (FQKBL)

84 Bacon wrapped, cream cheese filled jalepeno pepper grilling up nicely now.  Schnitzengruben going on next.  Shiner Bock is ice cold.


HS graduating son is gonna sorely regret not helping me with yard work today, including taking care of newly widowed neighbor's yard. 

Them that don't work don't eat the goodies.  Starting my new righteous tradition today.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 30, 2016 01:17 PM (JO9+V)

85 2 things 1 still haven't figured how to hang my flag I got years ago while working at a local flag company,bad Skip. 2nd watching Band of Brothers Bastogne episode, this whole episode was filmed inside on a sound studio.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 01:19 PM (3wHFl)

86 Don't think it was dope or vengeance
he shot up cars going by and a gas station. Hit the people in the cars too.
Rifle bulletz just keep going.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 01:20 PM (auUHv)

87 "If you know what happened that day in July, it's breathtaking to stand there and look at that incredibly small space and think of those young men, in wool coats both Blue and Grey. " Gen. Lee should have read Sun Tzu. He did just about everything wrong that could be done wrong at Gettysburg.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 01:22 PM (w7KSn)

88 @72

Just checking.....


Illumination

The U.S. flag is traditionally flown from dawn to dusk so that it is always illuminated by the sun. It is allowed to be flown at night under certain guidelines, however. Since it must always be illuminated during the day, the same holds true for the night. A floodlight or spotlight must be shown on the flag. This is simple enough to do by placing a floodlight on the ground under the flagpole.


Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 01:22 PM (S0Cig)

89
Gen. Lee should have read Sun Tzu.
He did just about everything wrong that could be done wrong at Gettysburg.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 06:22 PM (w7KSn)


Your generals get lost, shit happens.


He should have NEVER gone North.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 01:23 PM (S0Cig)

90 He did just about everything wrong that could be done wrong at Gettysburg. - About 60 days after his greatest triumph at Chancellorville.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 01:24 PM (Nwg0u)

91 Justice for Harambe! Unarmed +17 = dead!

Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at May 30, 2016 01:25 PM (gwG9s)

92 "If you know what happened that day in July, it's breathtaking to stand there and look at that incredibly small space and think of those young men, in wool coats both Blue and Grey. "

Gen. Lee should have read Sun Tzu.
He did just about everything wrong that could be done wrong at Gettysburg.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 06:22 PM (w7KSn)


I'm sure you have seen the movie,  a real emotional thing to watch Picketts Charge..

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 01:25 PM (fxoKC)

93 Attacking your enemy from an enormous, open field while the enemy is behind barricades, with cannon. Pure slaughter.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 01:25 PM (w7KSn)

94 Gen. Lee should have read Sun Tzu.
He did just about everything wrong that could be done wrong at Gettysburg.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 06:22 PM (w7KSn)



He should have let me take my Texas troops further to the right around that hill.  At least it was my left arm that got useless, not my fapping arm?

Posted by: Gen. John Bell Hood at May 30, 2016 01:28 PM (JO9+V)

95 Justice for Harambe! Unarmed +17 = dead! - He was just turning his life around. I do feel sad and wonder whether that was the only good option but I wasn't there.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 01:29 PM (Nwg0u)

96 The confederate General that DID read Sun Tzu and consistently employed tactics described therein was Nathan Bedford Forrest. He consistently defeated superior forces.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 01:29 PM (w7KSn)

97 93 Attacking your enemy from an enormous, open field while the enemy is behind barricades, with cannon. Pure slaughter. Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 06:25 PM (w7KSn) Now you tell us.

Posted by: Every WWI General at May 30, 2016 01:30 PM (7qAYi)

98 Here is a willowed answer: \297 289 Jay Guevara NaCly Dog, is that correct? No. There were always some one to look at the patent to see if it made sense, even if the formal examination process was set up in 1836. The Patent Office was the only government building not to be burned by the British in 1814. The Superintendent of Patents , William Thornton, convinced the British to spare it. Thornton put himself before a gun aimed at the building, and exclaimed: "Are you Englishmen or only Goths and Vandals? This is the Patent Office, a depository of the ingenuity of the American nation, in which the whole civilized world is interested. Would you destroy it? If so, fire away, and let the charge pass through my body." Ironically, all those records and models were lost in the Patent Fire of 1836. It was deeply felt to be a great loss at the time, and efforts were made to recover some of the first 10,000 patents. Less than 3,000 patents were recovered. There was no backup system in place like there is now. Now an old mine in PA has the records, including the patent files, issued patents, and applications abandoned by their inventors without being issues (and some of those that never see the light of day are real doozies).

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 01:30 PM (u82oZ)

99 There's a bar in Gettysburg that features custom burgers named after Civil War generals - the General Meade, since he was from Philadelphia, is a burger topped with cheesesteak; the General Hood (from Texas) is topped with chili & jalepenos; the General Early is topped with a fried egg & bacon (Early = breakfast, get it?)

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 01:33 PM (7qAYi)

100 Attacking your enemy from an enormous, open field while the enemy is behind barricades, with cannon. Pure slaughter. - After Pickett's charge was bloodily repulsed, the Union troopers chanted, "Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg!" recalling when the tables had been turned about seven months earlier.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 01:33 PM (Nwg0u)

101 Okay, I been raging a lot today. Home Depot. BOA. DON'T TOUCH!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:34 PM (lOfno)

102 Sharkman Thank you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 01:35 PM (u82oZ)

103
   Need to go down to the fire pit and get it going, first marshmallow roast is on for tonite. THAT needs a good bed of coals. 

   Catch y'all later, I think.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2016 01:35 PM (X35Yt)

104 And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back.

Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2016 01:39 PM (o+SC1)

105 Man Red State has gone full tard. Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 06:06 PM (g8Hfr) Sure has. Mentioned that earlier. Kristol's supposed new candidate has them downright slobbering over the idea of stopping Trump, even if it means Hillary. As others have said here, if these idiots would put as much effort into stopping Obama & Hillary as they will Trump, there wouldn't be a Trump.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 01:42 PM (heN73)

106 I just returned from a Memorial Day service at the Kansas Veterans Cemetery. There were more people there today than in previous years. It is very sobering to see the tombstones and marked urn boxes. I see that your top military awards are placed on the headstone, as well as the campaigns that were going on during your service, even if you did not earn the campaign ribbon. In addition, I saw a lot of new symbols above the name, not just a cross. My wife thought it was good, but I noticed the speaches were more pro forma than in the past, and the three volley's had only one gun firing in the first volley. Clicks the rest of the time. I stood with an ex-paratrooper major / now pastor who's son was buried in the cemetery. They honored his grave properly. I honored his sacrifice, and those close to me, like my father, my wife's father, the EM2 who died next to me that awful day, and Carroll LeFon (Neptunus Lex).

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 01:43 PM (u82oZ)

107 105 Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 06:42 PM (heN73) I've been in political business with stupid retards. Seriously, they are dumber than stumps.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 01:44 PM (g8Hfr)

108 "I just returned from a Memorial Day service at the Kansas Veterans Cemetery. " Calming down. Serenity now. That's the reason for the holiday.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:46 PM (lOfno)

109 Sure has. Mentioned that earlier. Kristol's supposed new candidate has them downright slobbering over the idea of stopping Trump, even if it means Hillary. As others have said here, if these idiots would put as much effort into stopping Obama & Hillary as they will Trump, there wouldn't be a Trump. Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 06:42 PM (heN73) Trump has at least talked about stopping the flow of illegal mexicans. Hillory hasn't. Therefore, Trump is a greater threat to Gope. There is no god above the illegal mexican for Gope.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 01:47 PM (Dj0WE)

110 In our fair city, Veteran's Day is the big celebration, with a parade from downtown to the City Park to honor the Veterans. 3rd and 5th graders from every elementary school joins the parade. The 1st Infantry Division helps organize the entire parade, and is one of the key elements in it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 01:47 PM (u82oZ)

111 I get regular advertising-type e-mails from an online chess/game store, and this was the text of the one I received today:

This Memorial Day, instead of a sale we dedicate the day in memory of those dear ones you remember or those who have sacrificed all in honorable causes of preserving religious, economic, and political freedom.

I encourage you to cherish time with loved ones and friends as I am blessed to do today.


Not much I can add to that.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 01:47 PM (UHKOQ)

112 And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back. Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2016 06:39 PM (o+SC1) Hope I die before it gets finished.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 01:48 PM (Dj0WE)

113 And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back. Posted by: JEM Sounds like the upcoming election. The Punk Meets the Godmother

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 01:48 PM (k4M/B)

114 OM, barrel. You done fcuked up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:48 PM (lOfno)

115 Do cobs get a get-out-the-barrel-free card like Ace does?

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 01:49 PM (6IPEM)

116 #114: Oh yeah? Show me.   

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 01:50 PM (UHKOQ)

117 OM, you erase all that?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:50 PM (lOfno)

118 That was pretty impressive, OM.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 01:51 PM (9naWy)

119 #114: Oh yeah? Show me. Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 06:50 PM (UHKOQ) Cheater!

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 01:51 PM (Dj0WE)

120 Do cobs get a get-out-the-barrel-free card like Ace does? Posted by: L, Elle Obviously, the answer is YES!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 01:51 PM (k4M/B)

121 96 The confederate General that DID read Sun Tzu and consistently employed tactics described therein was Nathan Bedford Forrest.
He consistently defeated superior forces.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 06:29 PM (w7KSn)


Don't mention that cracker's name!



http://tinyurl.com/omgb8vh

Posted by: Memphis City Council at May 30, 2016 01:52 PM (S0Cig)

122 117 OM, you erase all that?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 06:50 PM (lOfno)


Yeah, I can use my blog super powers to cheat the Barrel.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 01:52 PM (UHKOQ)

123 OregonMuse was merely demonstrating what *not* to do, much like the firearm instructor shooting himself in the foot. :-D Right, OM?

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 30, 2016 01:52 PM (GG9V6)

124 Oh, I see how this works. You just delete the comment like it never happened. We saw what you did!

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 01:52 PM (6IPEM)

125 "Oh yeah? Show me. " I must have been mistaken.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:53 PM (lOfno)

126 Missed it I did, went to make a hamburger and missed it.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 01:54 PM (3wHFl)

127 "Yeah, I can use my blog super powers to cheat the Barrel." I won't say nothing.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:54 PM (lOfno)

128 Yeah, I can use my blog super powers to cheat the Barrel. Posted by: OregonMuse --------------- At least you haven't banned yourself. Yet.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 01:55 PM (9naWy)

129 It is a nice day today here in CA.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 01:55 PM (MQEz6)

130 And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back. Posted by: JEM Still the only CD I keep in my car. "I'm wet and I'm cold, but thank God I ain't old."

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 01:56 PM (heN73)

131 I've been at SC beach with Bonnie!  Unfortunately, not this Bonnie.....




http://tinyurl.com/mm7v9k5

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 01:57 PM (S0Cig)

132 Maybe, one day, if make a little mess, you can remember Bros.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:58 PM (lOfno)

133 125 "Oh yeah? Show me. "
I must have been mistaken.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 06:53 PM (lOfno)


"This isn't the poorly-formatted comment you're looking for."

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 01:58 PM (UHKOQ)

134 Appropriate for such a rainy day: Love, Reign O'er Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KutWuAggUzQ

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at May 30, 2016 01:59 PM (jR7Wy)

135 " It is a nice day today here in CA. " Where in?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 01:59 PM (lOfno)

136 At least you haven't banned yourself.

Yet.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 06:55 PM (9naWy)


I'm not an actual cob (just an "Open" Blogger) so I do not have access to the mighty Banhammer. Which is probably a good thing, because I'd probably do something goofy like ban everybody.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:01 PM (UHKOQ)

137 Someone hijacked my steam account. Ran virus (nothing) anti-malware (like 7 things.) Have been rerunning them like a monkey with a cocaine button. Also changed my email and amazon passwords (the only other place I used my credit card.) Also, after running the virus and malware scans, checked my bank account and found no new suspicious charges to the card. So I got that going for me. A beautiful day here in Lexington, Ky though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2016 02:02 PM (3ZoRf)

138 >>And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back. Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2016 06:39 PM (o+SC1) Hope I die before it gets finished. Posted by: BurtTC --------------- Half the people in it probably will.

Posted by: Aviator at May 30, 2016 02:02 PM (c7vUv)

139 135 " It is a nice day today here in CA. " Where in? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 06:59 PM (lOfno) Bay Area.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:02 PM (MQEz6)

140 124 Oh, I see how this works. You just delete the comment like it never happened. We saw what you did!

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 06:52 PM (6IPEM)


Actually, I didn't delete the entire comment, I just cleaned out all of the html formatting garbage, and now it looks like I originally wanted it to.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:03 PM (UHKOQ)

141 Hope y'all are having a great and reflective Memorial Day. Also to share, just posted at Twitter... Ingredients for a fantastic summer weekend: - barbecuing some delicious smoky ribs - great blues music on the stereo - friends and loved ones

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:03 PM (ntObR)

142 Next up, apple turnovers.

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 02:03 PM (5DSEi)

143 38 >>And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back.
Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2016 06:39 PM (o+SC1)


Uh, why?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:03 PM (UHKOQ)

144 "because I'd probably do something goofy like ban everybody." That'd be funny. A thread with like no comments for 6 hours. Everybody wondering WTF.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:04 PM (lOfno)

145 Quadrophenia was when The Who officially jumped the shark, right? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:05 PM (ntObR)

146 "Bay Area." What the Hell you doing out there?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:05 PM (lOfno)

147 Interesting day. Long story short, I got to speak to Christopher Buckley, in person, on the phone, today. He's trying to arrange a meetup of his FB fans in SoCal soon. Say what you will about him, but rest assured: he is in no way whatsoever a fan of Obama or the GOPe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:07 PM (ntObR)

148 Ricardo, some people like to live dangerously. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:07 PM (ntObR)

149 "Posted by: L, Elle" Lady Elle, we keep our lips closed, but we know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:07 PM (lOfno)

150 >>>> That'd be funny. A thread with like no comments for 6 hours. Everybody wondering WTF. ------- Ace already did that once. It really wasn't that funny. Ace banning himself and asking us for help to get him unbanned, hilarious. It's one of the endearing things about Ace. He always admits his mistakes even if they are embarrassing and apologizes when he thinks he has been in the wrong.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 02:09 PM (6IPEM)

151 146 "Bay Area." What the Hell you doing out there? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:05 PM (lOfno) This is where my job is.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:09 PM (MQEz6)

152 "This is where my job is." You in the tech biz?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:10 PM (lOfno)

153 The guy who shot up Houston was a four tour Afghanastan vet with PTSD according to his father. Said the US was about to collapse and he had to get to Texas.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:11 PM (zOTsN)

154 123 OregonMuse was merely demonstrating what *not* to do, much like the firearm instructor shooting himself in the foot. :-D Right, OM?

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at May 30, 2016 06:52 PM (GG9V6)


Yeah. Yeah, that's the ticket. I'll have to ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild...

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:11 PM (UHKOQ)

155 I just read that Marvel Comics has decided to reveal in an upcoming issue that Captain America has been working for Hydra all along. Why not just put cat shit in Big Macs because it's organic.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:11 PM (MQEz6)

156 Band of Brothers marathon on HBO.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

157 152 "This is where my job is." You in the tech biz? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:10 PM (lOfno) Chemist in the pharma biz.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:12 PM (MQEz6)

158 Didn't Jimmy Fallon have a cameo in Band of Brothers, like he did in Saving Private Ryan?

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:12 PM (ntObR)

159 Where did you see that Thunderb?

Posted by: freaked at May 30, 2016 02:12 PM (BO/km)

160 156 Band of Brothers marathon on HBO. Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 07:12 PM (zOTsN) I liked some of the Band of Brothers show, but it never really grabbed me as it did for many others. I thought it was well done however.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 30, 2016 02:13 PM (3ZoRf)

161 I am also in SF. Hi Eman! Yes, very nice day here. I just got done with some gardening. Got to be careful lest I break out in a freckle.

Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 02:13 PM (w7KSn)

162 "I'll have to ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild..." That's pretty hot.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:13 PM (lOfno)

163 "Chemist in the pharma biz." Oh.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:15 PM (lOfno)

164 161 I am also in SF. Hi Eman! Yes, very nice day here. I just got done with some gardening. Got to be careful lest I break out in a freckle. Posted by: navybrat at May 30, 2016 07:13 PM (w7KSn) I see. Hi right back at ya. I'm down in San Mateo.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:15 PM (MQEz6)

165 A good day to look at some of the war history websites.  Looking at all the young men and what they did back in WW2.  Remembering that the ones still alive were once young and full of life for a war that most of us can't imagining even being in.  I'm a veteran of a later time, (Vietman) but seeing the destruction of Europe in the pictures, and the Nazi life I don't even understand.

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 02:16 PM (fxoKC)

166 163 "Chemist in the pharma biz." Oh. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:15 PM (lOfno) I know. Exciting, right?

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:17 PM (MQEz6)

167 Abc13 has the info on the houston shooter. They found his duffle bag the next day and pointed it out to police. They have interviewed his father

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:17 PM (zOTsN)

168 Say what you will about him, but rest assured: he is in no way whatsoever a fan of Obama or the GOPe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 07:07 PM (ntObR)


OK, but it's going to have to take a lot of convincing. I started to read an anti-Trump piece Buckley wrote for the (U.K.) Spectator and he had all of that infuriating rich boy snobbery and superciliousness (that Iowahawk parodied so brilliantly with his Reginald Van Voerhees VII) dialed up to 11 and I couldn't finish reading it.

And it was not for nothing that his own father's magazine threw his ass under the bus.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:18 PM (UHKOQ)

169 "Chemist in the pharma biz." Oh. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:15 PM (lOfno) I know. Exciting, right? Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:17 PM (MQEz6) I knew it! You're Chemjeff! There was always a certain similarity to your comments.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 02:18 PM (Dj0WE)

170 Band of Brothers was amazingly well done (duh). Always have wondered whether the actor cast to play Guarniere ("Gonorrhea") was discovered early in the casting process. He is a dead-ringer for the real guy - and he sounds exactly like him, too. Can't recall another actor so perfectly looking/sounding like a real person he was portraying. Now that I'm a Garand owner I enjoy watching the little details in some scenes. Sad that Winters passed last year. Don't know if any of them are still alive.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:19 PM (QDnY+)

171 Oregon, fair enough. I'd bet he'll get numerous questions about his issues with Trump at the meetup. At least I hope so.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:19 PM (ntObR)

172 "I know. Exciting, right?" You do realize I'm pitchitng you shit?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:19 PM (lOfno)

173 169 "Chemist in the pharma biz." Oh. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:15 PM (lOfno) I know. Exciting, right? Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:17 PM (MQEz6) I knew it! You're Chemjeff! There was always a certain similarity to your comments. Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 07:18 PM (Dj0WE) I am not, but he and I have met. He lives in the Midwest.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:19 PM (MQEz6)

174 153 Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 07:11 PM (zOTsN) Well newsflash to the deceased, "Houston is in Texas champ."

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 02:20 PM (g8Hfr)

175 I'm down in San Mateo.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:15 PM (MQEz6)


Heh. I grew up in Millbrae/San Bruno. Big sister went to Mercy High School.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:20 PM (UHKOQ)

176 172 "I know. Exciting, right?" You do realize I'm pitchitng you shit? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:19 PM (lOfno) Of course.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:20 PM (MQEz6)

177 I knew it! You're Chemjeff! There was always a certain similarity to your comments. Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 07:18 PM (Dj0WE) I am not, but he and I have met. He lives in the Midwest. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:19 PM (MQEz6) That was supposed to be a joke.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 02:21 PM (Dj0WE)

178 "I knew it! You're Chemjeff! There was always a "similarity to your comments." Oh, damn, he done gone off of yo ass

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:21 PM (lOfno)

179 http://abc13.com/news/gunman-in-west-houston-mass-shooting-ided/1362286/

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 02:22 PM (g8Hfr)

180 175 I'm down in San Mateo. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:15 PM (MQEz6) Heh. I grew up in Millbrae/San Bruno. Big sister went to Mercy High School. Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 07:20 PM (UHKOQ) Cool. I grew up in MA and came here in '08. Do not miss snow and ice, yo.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:22 PM (MQEz6)

181 He recently arrived in Texas from San Bernardino CA

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:23 PM (zOTsN)

182 "Of course. "

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:23 PM (lOfno)

183 Heartbreak Ridge on AMC

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 02:23 PM (7qAYi)

184 Took the family to Jefferson Barracks this a.m. JB is the largest military cemetery west of Arlington. We've done it every year for the last 10 years. Very nice, low key event. Too many single women w/child/children walking around. Yup. Freedom isn't free. My girls asked about my service: I was in '82-86. NOTHING was happening then. The world was too afraid of Ronnie at that point. I have this odd jealousy of servicemen who actually got to go into battle. Fighting my way out of a bar in Juarez doesn't count.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 30, 2016 02:23 PM (SeD0w)

185 It seems that the Bay Area, CA & NC could compete for the "most Morons" award. Maybe NoVa.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 02:23 PM (9naWy)

186 181 Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 07:23 PM (zOTsN) It was deadpan, I'm pretty sure he could have just as easily went batshit crazy in California as Texas. Cue up the media "this too is George W Bush's fault" meme generator.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 02:24 PM (g8Hfr)

187 http://tinypic.com/r/2ypbzhl/9 playing around with the Pulp O Mizer test

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 30, 2016 02:25 PM (Cq0oW)

188 I can't even imagine the beaches of Normandy. If I saw that from one of those boats I don't know what I would have done. My husband told me I would have gotten out or gotten shot by my CO. The bravery of those men amaze me every time. We were at Gettysburg and saw the field for Pickett's charge or Little Round Top and I'm in awe.

Posted by: abby coffey at May 30, 2016 02:25 PM (HBU7W)

189 Us boys have been rough-housing. Pardon us.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:25 PM (lOfno)

190 "The Pacific" was doomed to be what it was because it followed 3 different story lines, unlike BoB which of course followed one unit and a few people through a year of "marquee" battles in all of which they (incredibly) participated. But now that I've read a bit more on the general topic, I am even more disappointed in the whole episode they basically wasted in Australia. Yeah yeah I know it was just following Leckie's book, but would have been interesting to convey some of the more interesting aspects of that period. The war fear/panic in Australia (real, reasonable, Japanese invasion) and the "Battle of Brisbane" riot between locals and US service men. Guadalcanal vet I know was really looking forward to "The Pacific", yet stopped watching it about 3 episodes in. I understand that, though being a junkie I of course watched it all.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:25 PM (QDnY+)

191 Do not miss snow and ice, yo.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:22 PM (MQEz6)


Word. I could never live in a cold-weather region.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:27 PM (UHKOQ)

192 177 I knew it! You're Chemjeff! There was always a certain similarity to your comments. Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 07:18 PM (Dj0WE) I am not, but he and I have met. He lives in the Midwest. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:19 PM (MQEz6) That was supposed to be a joke. Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 07:21 PM (Dj0WE) Yeah, sorry, brain is slower than usual today.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:27 PM (MQEz6)

193 As promised, turning one up. 1LT Donaldson P. Tillar. KIA, Iraq, 1991. Shot down piloting a Blackhawk the last day of Desert Storm. May it be said "Well Done." Be thou at peace.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 02:28 PM (2Ocf1)

194 >>>> Oregon, fair enough. I'd bet he'll get numerous questions about his issues with Trump at the meetup. At least I hope so. Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 07:19 PM ----- Well, I hope so too. IIRC, he was swooning over Obama in 2008 in the same way that Brooks was with the creased pants love and Noonan was. I'm pretty sure he voted for Obama bc Sarah Palin was too icky and stupid and beneath him to vote for. I'm sure his criticisms of Trump sound just like his criticisms of Palin.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 02:28 PM (6IPEM)

195 191 Do not miss snow and ice, yo. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:22 PM (MQEz6) Word. I could never live in a cold-weather region. Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 07:27 PM (UHKOQ) You don't realize how sucky it can be until you escape from it.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:28 PM (MQEz6)

196 http://abc13.com/news/gunman-in-west-houston-mass-shooting-ided/1362286/ Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 07:22 PM (g8Hfr) Uh oh, I see a white Hispanic.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:29 PM (heN73)

197 of course sigh

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at May 30, 2016 02:29 PM (Cq0oW)

198 L Elle, I'll definitely let you all know. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:29 PM (ntObR)

199

Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 30, 2016 05:31 PM (qUNWi)

that's what we're going to watch tonight

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 30, 2016 02:31 PM (0O7c5)

200 Jefferson Barracks. I believe, as an infant, I lived there for a short time (or my parents, before I was born). Also, oldest friend's dad enlisted there in 1942 (he was from MO). He ended up flying L-4 artillery observation planes, saw 1 day of action (Saipan) before a concussion forced him off flight duty. Spent the rest of the war doing admin. work in New Caledonia (almost the only truly nice South Pacific location of the tropical variety where our guys spent time). He was in Manila doing out-processing admin work and ended up attending a few days of the war crimes trial for Gen. Yamashita (the trial was done there, and pronto, was not part of the Far Eastern Military Tribunal later in Tokyo, where Tojo and the big shots got theirs).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:32 PM (QDnY+)

201 I watched Thank You For Smoking which was a pretty good movie I wonder how close it was to the book. Chris Buckley thought Obama was first class temperament because he was an author. I know other people like that, I ask them if they know how many books Trump has authored....

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 02:32 PM (2Ocf1)

202 President Obama's 2008 campaign pledge to improve the image of the United States around the world hasn't worked in Russia where a decade low of just 1 percent approve of American leadership, according to Gallup.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 30, 2016 02:32 PM (e8kgV)

203 "Posted by: eleven -- u" eleven around? He's generally pretty lazy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:33 PM (lOfno)

204 Do not miss snow and ice, yo. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:22 PM (MQEz6) My kids would really like me to move back to Michigan, especially my daughter. I think about it once in a while, but soon as the first frost would hit, I know what my reaction would be. "Aw hell, I made a mistake."

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:33 PM (heN73)

205 My girls asked about my service: I was in '82-86. NOTHING was happening then. Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 30, 2016 07:23 PM (SeD0w) Well there was Granada & Beirut. And the raid on Libya.

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 02:34 PM (7qAYi)

206 He was 24. He did four tours in Afghanistan and got out in 2014. His father is some sort of missionary. He has no criminal record. It feels like shit

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:34 PM (zOTsN)

207 By that I mean that it feels terrible

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:35 PM (zOTsN)

208 I do miss snow on Christmas Eve. Here we might get rain. And crow poop.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:35 PM (MQEz6)

209 My Uncle Pete was a Navy pilot. He crashed his jet and died in Korea during the war. I was a baby then and I never had the chance to know him. My father always spoke highly of him. He's buried at Arlington and I've made the trip across the country to honor him and the sacrifice he made for our country. My father was career Air Force and did his tour in Vietnam, as did I. I put a flag on his grave today to honor him and his years of service to our country.

Posted by: Hank at May 30, 2016 02:35 PM (2YVzk)

210 Posted by: Hank at May 30, 2016 07:35 PM (2YVzk) Well done.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 02:36 PM (MQEz6)

211 20 Go to Gettysburg. Before the SJWs erase it. Go in the summer, when it's hot. Stand in the tree line and look across that field at The Angle. Then go around to The Angle and look back. If you know what happened that day in July, it's breathtaking to stand there and look at that incredibly small space and think of those young men, in wool coats both Blue and Grey. Of course, that battle had gone on for three days. Read Michael Shaara's Killer Angels, or if you are short on time, watch th miniseries Gettysburg done by Ted Turner. To read about the Devil's Den and Little Round Top and then see them.... Last full measure indeed. Posted by: blaster
I did just that back in the Summer of 99 with my sister. Hot, steamy, summer day. Very moving experience. Had a great great great grandfather die there. He was in one of the Pennsylvania regiments. Killer Angels was fantastic and the movie Gettysburg was fantastic.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 02:36 PM (20X6f)

212 It sounds like he was a good guy who lost his mind

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:37 PM (zOTsN)

213 Blano, where you be tomorrow?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:37 PM (lOfno)

214 I suppose that there's nothing to do but wait for the shooter's writings/social media posts/reputation among peers, etc. to be revealed. See what the major malfunction was.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 30, 2016 02:38 PM (2cS/G)

215 169 BurtTC "Chemist in the pharma biz." Lots of chemists post on this blog.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 02:38 PM (u82oZ)

216 As much I like the classics like "Midway" with the great iconic actors, I've long wished a non-cheesy, more intense treatment were done of those events. The real-world drama, importance, insanely improbable course of events, valor, etc. really deserve a serious treatment. If you weave all the elements together - from the impact of the Doolittle Raid to the amazing sleuthing and brain-work of Station Hypo on code-breaking to the amazing coincidences and "breaks" that led to the spectacular victory - it's far superior to any fictional screenplay I can think of.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:39 PM (QDnY+)

217 Blano, where you be tomorrow? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:37 PM (lOfno) At work, as usual. Friday is my only day off.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:40 PM (heN73)

218 According to his father, he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas. Not kidding

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 02:40 PM (zOTsN)

219 Well there was Granada & Beirut. And the raid on Libya. Granada: Spec Ops liberated under qualified med students. Yeah, I "missed" that.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 30, 2016 02:40 PM (SeD0w)

220 218 According to his father, he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas. Not kidding Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 07:40 PM (zOTsN) Sounds like a Glenn Beck fan.

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 02:41 PM (7qAYi)

221 143 38 >>And for everyone of a certain age, they're apparently remaking Quadrophenia, and bringing all the old folks back. Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2016 06:39 PM (o+SC1) Uh, why? Posted by: OregonMuse
Heh! That was my response when I heard they were remaking Ben Hur.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 02:42 PM (20X6f)

222 "At work, as usual. Friday is my only day off" Well, that settles that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:42 PM (lOfno)

223 When my son was about 12 we went to Gettysburg. He'd been reading about the Civil War, and particularly wanted to see where Pickett's charge had happened. He just stood there, staring at the field--all he could say was that "It's so small." I could see him overlaying what he'd read on the space and it shocked him.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 30, 2016 02:42 PM (WY8ka)

224 According to his father, he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas. Not kidding Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 07:40 PM (zOTsN) Well the thinking isn't so bad, it's his solution that sucks. Bah, got an email from an old girlfriend today, my one and only one in Texas. Hadn't been in touch for about a year and a half. She still has an effect on me.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:43 PM (heN73)

225 I'm watching BOB again for the umpteenth time, watched 8 Pacific episodes yesterday for the 3rd time. In Bastogne episode read recently Doc Roe can't be verified to have much interactions with the Belgian nurse. There are a few things not accurate in these.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 02:43 PM (3wHFl)

226 #194 

I'm pretty sure he voted for Obama bc Sarah Palin was too icky and stupid and beneath him to vote for. I'm sure his criticisms of Trump sound just like his criticisms of Palin.
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Trump endorsed McCain in 2008 and was very pleased with Sarah Palin

LINK (CNN):   http://preview.tinyurl.com/5ys7dr

And then there was the May, 2011 Trump-Palin "Pizza Summit" in NYC

LINK (CNN): 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/h9xnd23

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 02:44 PM (JBggj)

227 @218, Oh, cripes, this is going to be a shitshow in the media, isn't it? There has got to be dozens of regular posters here who feel the same way about gold/Texas. I expect it was mental illness, whether combat-related or not. Shooting up a street and a gas station does nothing to advance his goal. With the scant facts I have, for once I feel sympathy for the shooter as well as the victims.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 30, 2016 02:44 PM (2cS/G)

228 Lirio100- I thought the same thing, but if you were one of the men, it would seem so large. I was amazed that they thought of it at all.

Posted by: abby coffey at May 30, 2016 02:44 PM (HBU7W)

229 Well, that settles that. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:42 PM (lOfno) Well there's another day when you have time. Except this Friday, I'm having a colonoscopy done.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:45 PM (heN73)

230 218 According to his father, he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas. Not kidding Posted by: ThunderB --------------- Not to make light of this, but that makes me wonder what handle he used posting here. His history suggests that was was a solid guy. Hell, a hero. It IS all very sad.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 02:45 PM (IBdeT)

231 Skip, I always figured that part (Belgian nurse in Bastogne) was at the least wildly exaggerated. I've never understood the compulsion to insert romantic elements into perfectly good, true, overwhelmingly vivid stories. There are one trillion movies, and a trillion more on the way. I can't recall a romance flick that somehow felt the need to insert fictional military combat scenes - the reverse makes no more sense. Not every one has to have fictional romance included to be good, or successful.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:46 PM (QDnY+)

232 Going to Gettysburg as a kid probably was one of the things that started me on military history.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 02:46 PM (3wHFl)

233 @231 because they want women to watch. Not snark. The truth.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 02:48 PM (2Ocf1)

234 Mental illness, PTSD, needs more attention than we are giving. All mental illness is difficult for everyone. I know as a survivor of a mother with mental illness.

Posted by: abby coffey at May 30, 2016 02:48 PM (HBU7W)

235 "Except this Friday, I'm having a colonoscopy done." Well, I wouldn't want to interrupt that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 02:49 PM (lOfno)

236 I can't recall a romance flick that somehow felt the need to insert fictional military combat scenes - the reverse makes no more sense. Posted by: rhomboid ----------------- Hey! I made that Pearl Harbor movie, ya know.

Posted by: Ben Afflict at May 30, 2016 02:50 PM (IBdeT)

237 blaster, I agree - that that is the rationale. I seriously, seriously doubt that rationale holds up when actual experience is consulted. In any case, BoB is 98% real and exclusively military history - the tiny little element stuck into the Bastogne episode doesn't make sense even if one stipulates the very dubious rationale you correctly identify.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:50 PM (QDnY+)

238 That feel good story at the top of the sidebar got to me. May God Bless the anonymous soul who did that.

Posted by: tmitsss at May 30, 2016 02:50 PM (sUvQQ)

239 Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 07:07 PM (ntObR) steve, my husband by chance had breakfast with him years ago at a writers' thing, and he said Buckley was very nice and down to earth. Have fun at the meet up!

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 02:51 PM (ozZau)

240 232 He'd just started reading about the Civil War that year (we live in northern VA and he'd finally noticed the CW sites here), but I suspect his ideas about battlefields had come from movies--the big panoramas, etc. I could almost see him literally trying to make the pieces fit, what he'd been thinking and what he was seeing. He kept up that interest in mil history too.

Posted by: Lirio100 at May 30, 2016 02:52 PM (WY8ka)

241 I remember many decades ago, looking at my uncle's photographs (some of them were in color) taken during his service as a Coast Guard deck gunner on the Murmansk Run.  Lots of snow and ice.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 02:52 PM (JBggj)

242 You don't realize how sucky it can be until you escape from it.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 07:28 PM (MQEz6)


My mother grew up in Nebraska. One time I asked her if she missed it, and she just laughed and said, no way, she had her fill of those bitterly cold winters.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 30, 2016 02:53 PM (UHKOQ)

243 Except this Friday, I'm having a colonoscopy done."

Well, I wouldn't want to interrupt that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 30, 2016 07:49 PM (lOfno)


Its always exciting when they show you the pictures, while your still waking up....

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 02:53 PM (fxoKC)

244 216 rhomboid Heartily agree. The A gang Officer on the IJN cruiser Tone, with a better parts inventory, could have changed history. One of Tone's search planes, delayed by a catapult problem, was assigned to search where the two US task forces were hiding. That battle is very hard, if not impossible, to duplicate with naval warfare simulations. The Japanese win almost all the time. Per the previous thread, USS Nautilus (SS-16 hit the stricken IJN carrier Akagi with a torpedo, which was a dud. The air flask of the torpedo supported several Japanese sailors as a life preserver.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 02:53 PM (u82oZ)

245 Well normally I'd lay on a heavy disclaimer about the pros knowing their own business, but in feature film production that clearly is difficult to do, given the duds and failures and crap they increasingly turn out. But if there's a business/marketing model to make chick flicks successful, and comic-book/action hero movies successful, and comedies - and on and on - then there's one for a serious historical movie (esp. when the true story is better than 99% of the crap Hollywood can dream up). Private Ryan has zero romance. Lawrence of Arabia (original release) I believe did not depict a single human female. Those two seemed to do OK.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:54 PM (QDnY+)

246 stace, thanks. I think I will. :-) CB sent out the invite and despite my social anxieties, I decided to respond. Was shocked when he called me personally earlier today. It would be nice to finally get to meet somebody I respect. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 30, 2016 02:54 PM (ntObR)

247 Oh yay, pictures too. Nice.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 02:54 PM (heN73)

248 @rhomboid I bet JJ Sefton would tell us. I know a writer of military fiction and he said he put the romance and/or strong female characters in to get women readers. He did screenplays, too. Same thing. Yeah, it shouldn't happen. It does.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 02:55 PM (2Ocf1)

249 218:he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas.
It probably will but I have no desire to go bug fuck crazy and kill people. Mental illness is a terrible thing that is rarely treated properly or even diagnosed.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 02:55 PM (20X6f)

250 I've never understood the compulsion to insert romantic elements into perfectly good, true, overwhelmingly vivid stories. There are one trillion movies, and a trillion more on the way. I can't recall a romance flick that somehow felt the need to insert fictional military combat scenes - the reverse makes no more sense. .... I was thinking the same thing today watching Midway today, but then OTH, I used to watch a lot of old WW2 movies, filmed during or just after the war, and many if not most had some kind of love story. Some had the two buddies in love with the same girl plot line. A lot of those movies were made to boost morale and support the war effort. I guess maybe they wanted to help keep the home fires burning, and show the boys what they were fighting for.

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 02:56 PM (ozZau)

251 Asked asked earlier, but I'll ask again - Anyone seen the movie Memorial Day? Opinions? It's only a couple years old. Here's the synopsis from IMDB: Memorial Day, 1993. When 13-year-old Kyle Vogel discovers the World War II footlocker belonging to his grandfather, Bud, everyone tells Kyle to put it back. Luckily, he ignores them. Although Bud has never talked about the war, he finds himself striking a deal with his grandson: Kyle can pick any three souvenirs, and Bud will tell him the stories behind each one. Memorial Day not only takes us on a journey into Bud's complicated wartime past, but also into Kyle's wartime future. As the two men share parallel experiences in combat, they come to realize how that magical day on the porch shaped of their lives

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 02:57 PM (IBdeT)

252 NaCly Dog, right you are - the Tone's search float-plane with a late start and abbreviated search was a one-in-a-million thing that was precisely the thing needed for things to go the way they went. And the accidental timing of the arrival of the various squadrons over the Japanese fleet - and the order of those accidental timings. And the fact that one key squadron very very nearly didn't get there at all, and wouldn't have, save for that one Jap destroyer moving at high speed, and one experienced squadron leader's intuition about that mundane fact. Like I said, Midway in its full glory makes implausible fiction, and spectacular truth.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 02:58 PM (QDnY+)

253 Boy, Caleb Howe has lost his mind.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 02:58 PM (iQIUe)

254 Watched "The Victors" this afternoon for the first time since high school in the early 70s. It's what made me like George Peppard originally and I haven't liked much, if anything of his since then. I really liked how the movie showed the actors with an extra stripe or one missing as they moved through Europe. And Eli Wallach.

Posted by: dartist at May 30, 2016 02:59 PM (qmou8)

255 Where Eagles Dare is starting on TCM...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 30, 2016 03:00 PM (4DCSq)

256 Anyone seen the movie Memorial Day? Opinions?
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I have.  Very good and respectful.  I'm pretty sure it was on our local PBS station.  In NC, with its strong military and veteran presence, we get some pretty decent programming.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:00 PM (JBggj)

257 196 Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 07:29 PM (heN73) He was afraid the Estados Unitados was falling apart.... ie the media pushed the kid over the edge with Trump hysteria. Good work media.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 03:00 PM (g8Hfr)

258 Was reading a blog complaining about Barak groveling about Hiroshima and followed a link about Japanese atrocities and now have a new book about some of those.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:00 PM (3wHFl)

259 I couldn't do it, too much a creature of habit, but this would be a great year to decide to simply ignore and forget about politics, the state of the Nation and world, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 30, 2016 03:02 PM (2cS/G)

260 Saw it last year, but the movie Taking Chance (2009) with Keven Bacon might be the most touching movie I ever saw.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:03 PM (3wHFl)

261 Speaking of military fiction, I was deeply moved by Herman Wouk's Midway chapter in his book "War And Remembrance".  Actually, I wept.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:03 PM (JBggj)

262 As a history buff in high school, I read as many books from the library about
WW2 as I could find.  I remember a lot of what I read...I wonder if school library's still have war books.

Posted by: Colin at May 30, 2016 03:04 PM (fxoKC)

263 And NaCly Dog, I just stepped away earlier today when some of the comments in that thread became more and more off-base on WWII history. Bad to let myths start/continue, but deference to seniority has its place even on an anonymous comment thread I guess.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 03:04 PM (QDnY+)

264 We live outside Portland Oregon and a few years ago we found out that our little suburb was built on some land owned by a local Japanese-American family. They had a berry farm and were relocated to a camp in Idaho during the war (when they came back, I don't think they could make the farm a going concern which is a pity because they would have made a killing on the land). Anyway, they had a son who enlisted and was sent to France as part of the 442 Infantry. He was killed in action in the Voges mountains just a few months after being sent over. We take the five kids and they tumble about the old German immigrant headstones and then we clean up "our" veteran's headstone and leave flowers. My 7-year-old had a real moment today. "He must have been a good man." Yes he was, kiddo.

Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at May 30, 2016 03:07 PM (YJJZG)

265 Chi- that sounds like a good movie.

Posted by: Infidel at May 30, 2016 03:08 PM (5DSEi)

266 21 Love and tears for the Blue; Tears and love for the Gray. Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 05:06 PM (auUHv) That is beautiful. Who wrote it? I have mentioned before that at the small rural cemetery in Maryland where my parents are buried, there can be seen both U.S. and Confederate flags.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 03:08 PM (sdi6R)

267 OK, Skip - give it up (book title). Was mildly surprised to read this week about cannibalism on the Kokoda Track in New Guinea (guess who engaged in it, and you only get one guess). The lengths to which people will go to manufacture moral equivalence really does seem to lie more in the social and psychological realm of pathologies than the intellectual. I told this one once before on some thread, but at one point a BBC reporter "came out" to me - very discreetly, literally looking around before he started in - about how appalled he was at the press's moral inversion during one of our recent wars. He noted our enemies were as vile as any vanquished in WWII, while US/allied ways of war were of course vastly more discriminate and careful - yet the two sides were being treated as equals.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 03:10 PM (QDnY+)

268 Never saw the Memorial Day movie, will look for it.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:11 PM (3wHFl)

269 Never saw the Memorial Day movie, will look for it.
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Warning!  There are women in it

Wife, mother, sister.  A good watch for the entire family.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:13 PM (JBggj)

270 On Kindle Unlimited Living Hell, A True Account of Woman POW'S Under Japanese Control by Celia Lucas Was looking for another but was unavailable

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (3wHFl)

271 My mistake. It was IJN CV Kaga that was hit with one torpedo by the USS Nautilus (SS-168 ).

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (u82oZ)

272 I have mentioned before that at the small rural cemetery in Maryland where my parents are buried, there can be seen both U.S. and Confederate flags. Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 08:08 PM (sdi6R) I know one in rural Texas that is the same. Nobody there thinks a thing about it.

Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (3myMJ)

273 Oh, no...shooter was a vet.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (iQIUe)

274 Like I said, Midway in its full glory makes implausible fiction, and spectacular truth. Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 07:58 PM (QDnY+) Yup....how we won was truly an act of God. And training. But mostly the Big Man upstairs. Like Winston Churchill said.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (ej1L0)

275 I saw on TCM last year? The Best Years of Our Lives. It was on TCM last night, so I recorded it. I never watched Sgt. York & recorded that too. Comcast has sucked with putting TCM movies on demand.

Posted by: Carol at May 30, 2016 03:15 PM (sj3Ax)

276 Dionisio Garza III from San Bernardino County, California, has been named as the man behind the gun attack that left two people dead and six wounded. He served four tours of duty in Afghanistan and was discharged from active duty in 2014, and doesn't appear to have a criminal history.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 03:16 PM (iQIUe)

277 Your generals get lost, shit happens. He should have NEVER gone North. Posted by: Nip Sip
Up to that point, Gen. Lee had whooped every General the Army of the Potomac threw at him. Even the greatest minds can fall into arrogance.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 03:16 PM (20X6f)

278 I am at a loss for words, as my birth date finds itself upon a date that traditionally earns our respect and honor for those we've lost in battle. As a civilian peon, I have made it a point to make dinner for my Parents. For my birthday. ...they buy the sweet, sweet Porterhouse steaks and I grill them. I've been acknowledging Our Lord on no fewer than two occasions, today. My gift of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness has been made all-the-greater by those who have come before me. ...defended those rights for me. ...died to preserve these rights. Perhaps I am not at a loss for words today. Perhaps God has allowed me to express the Grace I've been given in the exact manner intended. He always seems to come through like that. --Thanks To Our Founders and Those Who Never Came Home. ...continued blessings to The Horde. --I thank you, as well.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:17 PM (OQ9R7)

279 As a young 2LT in EOD school I saw Gardens of Stone on HBO. Bawled my eyes out.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 03:18 PM (2Ocf1)

280 >>Lots of chemists post on this blog. Some are professionals, some are hobbyists.

Posted by: Aviator at May 30, 2016 03:18 PM (c7vUv)

281 I have. Very good and respectful. I'm pretty sure it was on our local PBS station. In NC, with its strong military and veteran presence, we get some pretty decent programming. Posted by: mrp ---------------- This is on CW. Don't know where you are in the Tarheel State, but hello, neighbor. I'm just across your northern border, almost on the ocean. If I ever put a decent antenna in the attic I can get some NC stations (wsky?). It's a good movie so far. I really like James Cromwell as an actor, but would probably punch him if I ever met him IRL. Lefty knowitall.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 03:19 PM (IBdeT)

282 There were lots of very sound reasons Lee invaded the north, Gettysburg a Study in Command by Edwin Coddington (hope I got that right) is a very good book on the whole campaign

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:20 PM (3wHFl)

283 >>According to his father, he thought the US and the currency was going to collapse and everyone should buy gold and move to Texas. Not kidding Posted by: ThunderB Well, what's weird about that?

Posted by: William Devane at May 30, 2016 03:21 PM (c7vUv)

284 255
Where Eagles Dare is starting on TCM...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 30, 2016 08:00 PM (4DCSq)


A quasi non fiction flick.  A lot of liberties are taken, but still worth the watch.  



Best Years of our Life won SEVEN Academy Awards.  Think that would happen today?



http://tinyurl.com/zzwjav3

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 03:21 PM (S0Cig)

285 Up to that point, Gen. Lee had whooped every General the Army of the Potomac threw at him. Even the greatest minds can fall into arrogance.
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And luck.  Lee's did his planning figuring that he'd be up against Hooker for a repeat engagement and the war would end with a Chancellorsville II.  Hooker, pushed to the wall by his corps commanders, made his last stand in command by sending a letter of resignation to Lincoln.  Lincoln accepted Fighting Joe's letter and appointed Pennsylvanian George Meade and in doing so, wrong-footed Lee.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:23 PM (JBggj)

286 Anna's picture this morning of the cross, with the soldier known only to G-d, was so moving. Our town does lots of flags So sorry this is lost on the next generation. My prayer- G-d please take me before no one remembers.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 30, 2016 03:23 PM (iLyBM)

287 Turn, the series on AMC looks good but have only caught a episode here and there and it's hard to follow as such.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:24 PM (3wHFl)

288 Sounds like a Glenn Beck fan. Or Alex Jones. Those two lovebirds really should film a porno together.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 03:25 PM (6FqZa)

289 Lee knew he could not defend his way to victory. He hoped to invade the North, threaten Washington, and sue for peace. It was a calculated risk. Gettysburg was, well, a mystery to me. So many bad choices by someone not noted for such. The notion that he just didn't have all the information he needed seems true but not sufficient to explain it. I wonder if he just wasn't tired of it all.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 03:26 PM (2Ocf1)

290 rhomboid Always glad to see your comments. I'll ease up on Vic. He is SOPA here, right? The entire war in the Pacific has a surreal quality to it. The Japanese leadership knew they would lose, before they started the first attack. The weekend before December 7th, there was a full alert practice for all ships and planes in Hawaii. An attack would have been repulsed with minor damage. The US Fleet responded pretty fast for peacetime at Pearl. It was an absolute blessing the BBs were lost in port, not at sea like in Kimmel's plan. His very detailed plans were ignorant of the quality, range, and number of the IJN naval aircraft. We would have got stomped. And yes, I've run that simulation.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 03:27 PM (u82oZ)

291 Even loosing Lee took a lot loot back with him from Gettysburg, the wagon train stretched for miles.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:28 PM (3wHFl)

292 "Sounds like a Glenn Beck fan." ..."Or Alex Jones. Those two lovebirds really should film a porno together." -Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 08:25 PM (6FqZa) Reeeally? *looks down* Reeeally? *walks away* *kicks a small rock into a Ford Pinto* *leaves a note* *sigh*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:29 PM (OQ9R7)

293 Here's an interesting vet story. Thunderbirds pilot died in training accident. Was college roommate of George Stienbrenner. Was under consideration as candidate for Mercury program. Was recruited by three NFL teams, turned them down to join USAF and fight in Korea. http://ephsports.williams.edu/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20121105jeu3v9

Posted by: WTP at May 30, 2016 03:31 PM (0LeIk)

294 Ugh I feel horrible. I got sunburnt and I think it's triggered an autoimmune / allergic response.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 03:32 PM (6FqZa)

295 http://tinyurl.com/js2jdpp This is from Conservative Review. I'm not one to cry, but some of these clips 8 almost made me.

Posted by: Carol at May 30, 2016 03:32 PM (sj3Ax)

296 The true blessing is that none of our carriers were parked in Pearl Harbor during the attack.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:33 PM (JBggj)

297 Even loosing Lee took a lot loot back with him from Gettysburg, the wagon train stretched for miles. Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 08:28 PM (3wHFl) Didn't one of the CSA units stumble into Gettysburg looking for boots/shoes in the first place?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 30, 2016 03:33 PM (ej1L0)

298
ONE TIME AT CAMP IDI AND I DISCOVERED OUR TOOTHBRUSH WAS MISSING.

ASKING AROUND WE DISCOVERED GLEN BECK HAD IT UP ALEX JONES' POOP CHUTE.

WE ASKED WHY AND AFTER A LOT OF HEMMING AND HAWING THEY ADMITTED THEIR TOOTHBRUSH WAS STUCK UP THERE WITH A AN AVOCADO PIT AND  A COUPLE MATCHBOX CARS AND THEY WERE TRYING TO ALEX TO POOP 'EM OUT.

THATS THE LAST VACATION ON A CUBAN HOMO FARM FOR US, I CAN TELL YOU!

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE DUMPSTER FIRE at May 30, 2016 03:34 PM (KId5h)

299 Cabot: yeah, I know, I was trying to make a joke.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 03:34 PM (6FqZa)

300 "Cabot: yeah, I know, I was trying to make a joke." -Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 08:34 PM (6FqZa) Meanwhile, you gave Non-Mormon Beck listeners a "Wet Willie". *shakes fist at cloud*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:35 PM (OQ9R7)

301 It was an absolute blessing the BBs were lost in port, not at sea like in Kimmel's plan. His very detailed plans were ignorant of the quality, range, and number of the IJN naval aircraft. We would have got stomped. And yes, I've run that simulation.
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One of the problems facing Kimmel was the severe lack of search aircraft based in Hawaii.  The War Department was sending every B-17 to the Philippines and the Navy didn't have near enough Catalinas for 360 degree coverage.

How did Kimmel's plan account for that?

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:38 PM (JBggj)

302 Comcast has sucked with putting TCM movies on demand. Posted by: Carol at May 30, 2016 08:15 PM (sj3Ax) Crookcast sucks with everything. They are charging for just about everything now On Demand

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2016 03:39 PM (45oDG)

303 >>> 287 Turn, the series on AMC looks good but have only caught a episode here and there and it's hard to follow as such. Netflix is streaming seasons 1 & 2.

Posted by: fluffy at May 30, 2016 03:39 PM (2hcmo)

304 *shakes fist at cloud* Posted by: Slapweasel ---------------------- Heh. I think you just came up with your Honorary Indian Name. Are you running for congress?

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 03:40 PM (IBdeT)

305 Didn't one of the CSA units stumble into Gettysburg looking for boots/shoes in the first place?
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I swear, I thought they were bluebelly militia!

Posted by: Harry Heath at May 30, 2016 03:41 PM (JBggj)

306 "Heh. I think you just came up with your Honorary Indian Name. Are you running for congress?" -Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 08:40 PM (IBdeT) *HAH!* ...not anymore.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:41 PM (OQ9R7)

307 Gettysburg was, well, a mystery to me. So many bad choices by someone not noted for such. The notion that he just didn't have all the information he needed seems true but not sufficient to explain it. Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 08:26 PM (2Ocf1) Gettysburg isn't really a mystery. Lee was just out of his depth, and it showed. He was tactically adept, but not a great general...lucky (up to a point) in the generals that opposed him. McClellan, Pope, McClellan again, Burnside and Hooker. And then Meade, who was tactically competent and fought him to better than a draw, and finally Grant, at which point the whole house of cards came tumbling down.

Posted by: HTL at May 30, 2016 03:43 PM (hhBXE)

308 297 The true blessing is that none of our carriers were parked in Pearl Harbor during the attack. Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 08:33 PM (JBggj) Yeah, my dad's carrier was out delivering a squadron of planes to Midway Island. He said he saw Pearl Harbor a week before and a week after the attack.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 03:44 PM (sdi6R)

309 Well, I have been trying to think of words to post here today that would be adequate, but have come up short. I have no one in my own family that has ever served and I only have one friend IRL who has and he was a mechanic for the Army. Thankfully, so many of you here have served along with, in many cases, a long line of family members who have served who have provided the right words and stories of their bravery, grit, and love of country. So many have given their lives bc that's what love of country asked them to do, and they did it willingly, selflessly, and unflinchingly. All I can say is Thank You.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 03:45 PM (6IPEM)

310 OT: Pittsburgh Penguins 2, San Jose Sharks 0 This is your Stanley Cup report. GO PENS!!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 03:45 PM (20X6f)

311 ..."All I can say is Thank You." -Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 08:45 PM (6IPEM) That was pretty good, ma'am.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:47 PM (OQ9R7)

312 Concerning the Houston shooter...My prayers and condolences go out to all involved. But, until it is proven otherwise, I can only find fault with the current CinC. PTSD is real, and it is my belief that the VA should have beefed properly to address this along with a host of other issues our current crop of veterans are dealing with. My apologies for letting politics get the better of me today of all days. God Bless the Corps!

Posted by: Tantorius Maximus at May 30, 2016 03:50 PM (5M4vc)

313 297 The true blessing is that none of our carriers were parked in Pearl Harbor during the attack.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 08:33 PM (JBggj)


I believe Nimitz was responsible for that.  More of a miracle is the fact the Japs cancelled the third wave and didn't destroy the fuel tanks above Pearl.



No fuel?  We would have been totally fcked for a long time.  We would have lost Midway.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 03:50 PM (S0Cig)

314 I think the shoe search has been discounted, the area was cleaned out earlier and one doesn't take a division on a foraging expedition. Lee had his junior commanders make decisions he didn't want. But his cavalry was missing and was blind on the Union Army's wearabouts. The whole thing reads like a lot of novels that you think you would need to make up things to fit.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:53 PM (3wHFl)

315 -Posted by: L, Elle --- That was pretty good, ma'am. Posted by: Slapweasel ------------- Yeah, I'd say she hit that one out of the park.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 03:53 PM (IBdeT)

316 Unless he got converted , he was a 25 year old Hispanic who had four tours in Afghanistan. Of course anything is possible. There was a similar incident in CA a few years ago where a similar profile ambushed law enforcement. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 05:43 PM (MNgU2) I would think that a person with PTSD would be at risk for being sucked into islam (or any other cult) as are jailbirds.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2016 03:55 PM (PkM9+)

317 Why is hockey being played after Memorial Day? But on the other hand always thought baseball playoffs should be done within the first a week of October.

Posted by: Skip at May 30, 2016 03:56 PM (3wHFl)

318 Thanks, Slapweasel. I hope the birthday weekend and festivities left you uplifted.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 03:56 PM (6IPEM)

319 @308 Lee of course not the only General on the battlefield. Don't know that I buy that he wasn't very good just blessed with weak adversaries. There were lots of good Northern generals even if they weren't the overall commanders. Still if you take him to be at least a good tactician he failed to take advantage of terrain. He did not take Seminary Ridge when he could have. He let the Union troops have the high ground then rather than seeking to fight on other ground of their choosing, he decided to go all in in a situation he had to know was to the South's disadvantage even if he did not know the full disposition of Union troops. He attacked up Little Round Top. He authorized Pickett's charge. Those are not mere out of depth failures.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 03:57 PM (2Ocf1)

320 One of the great ironies is that in April-May 1863, Joe Hooker sent 10,000 of his AoP cavalry under George Stoneman in the direction of Richmond, hoping that the distraction would compel Lee to send JEB Stuart and the ANV after Stoneman.  Lee kept Stuart with the infantry and Stuart's horsemen played a pivotal role in Jackson's brilliant turning movement.

Two months later, during the Gettysburg campaign, Lee issued ambiguous orders to Stuart, and Stuart ran his cavalry right off the map, depriving Lee of his eyes and ears while the Army of Northern Virginia marchedblindly into the heart of Yankeedom.

What happened, I think, is that the Union command structure, proto-modern in development, suddenly displayed its superiority over the old Napoleonic model embraced by Lee. Lee couldn't afford to make a single mistake, and he made one.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 03:57 PM (JBggj)

321 Why assume it was ptsd? He was never diagnosed. It could have been straight forward paranoid schiz.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 03:57 PM (iQIUe)

322 "Thanks, Slapweasel. I hope the birthday weekend and festivities left you uplifted." -Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 08:56 PM (6IPEM) You're quite welcome. I have stories to tell at a later date... lol.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 03:58 PM (OQ9R7)

323 Yeah, my dad's carrier was out delivering a squadron of planes to Midway Island. He said he saw Pearl Harbor a week before and a week after the attack. Posted by: rickl -------------------- My God, what those men must have see... and done! I cannot fathom it. I moved in next to Rocky a good 15 years before I learned that he was there on June 6th. On the beach. I knew he was a vet, but he was so healthy & active, I figured Korea. Anyway, I went straight over to talk to him. "Rocky, you never told me you were at Normandy..." He just looked off into the distance for a minute. Didn't say one word. Then he turned around and walked back inside. I never brought it up again.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 04:00 PM (IBdeT)

324 Thanks Chi. You sound great lately btw. I was worried that the election infighting and all the 24/7 Trump was going to drive you to leave the blog at one point. I'm glad you're still here and calm and strong.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 04:00 PM (6IPEM)

325 just had the most underrated pie for dessert.....STRAWBERRY RHUBARB!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 30, 2016 04:01 PM (0O7c5)

326 302 mrp Kimmel avoided that by being at sea. The Pacific Fleet was rarely in port in November and December 1941. He worked the fleet hard. His plan was to use the US CVs for launching carrier aircraft as scouts, with a submarine outer screen. He figured either the aircraft or submarines would give him enough warning. He also expected patrol squadron help from the Philippines (PAT WING 10) with some possibility of scouting from Guam and Wake for early IJN sortie warning. His battle plan was a carefully choreographed BB surface action around the Marshal Islands. We had superiority in BB gunnery, but we had no idea how skilled the IJN was at night-fighting and how incredible their torpedoes were. We got lucky. The best source for this is War Plan Orange by Miller.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 04:01 PM (u82oZ)

327 Nip, I don't think Nimitz was yet in a position to have affected Pearl's dispositions in December '41. Third wave not happening probably rightly blamed on Nagumo - precisely because whereabouts of US carriers was unknown. If they'd been caught/hit dockside, third wave would probably have hit - and as you say, if the fuel farm were included in the target list, whoa. Actually for all the brilliance of their naval air arm, and even of the overall use of naval forces in the first six months of the war, the IJN repeatedly suffered major missed opportunities due to caution or lack of aggressive spirit by senior admirals. From the Pearl Harbor attack to Leyte Gulf, at key moments there was a failure to reap maximum rewards from generally successful engagements.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 04:01 PM (QDnY+)

328
Ahhh, another measles outbreak.

In Arizona.

At a detention center.

Whose workers then went to a HS graduation, church, supermarket and a few other places.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 04:02 PM (KId5h)

329 Why do we only have one Houston shooter name? I'm going with 3 day rule before I buy in to the oh hell BO's regime finally has an actual dangerous veteran.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 30, 2016 04:03 PM (wYRTH)

330 @321 he made more than one. i think he was tired. He invaded the North to end the war. He saw Gettysburg as an opportunity to do it, and he went all in. Perhaps it was peak blindness, where he could only see the goal and couldn't see the problems. Or he saw the problems and went all in anyway.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 04:03 PM (2Ocf1)

331 I'm off to watch the NBA Western Conference Finals. Thank God and these great United States of America for that freedom. *click*

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2016 04:04 PM (OQ9R7)

332 Posted by: PaleRider ------------- Just curious, Rider - do you go by a similar name over at WZ?

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 04:06 PM (IBdeT)

333 "where eagles dare" is on! tcm.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:06 PM (WTSFk)

334 >>> You're quite welcome. I have stories to tell at a later date... lol. Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at May 30, 2016 08:58 ----- By "uplifted" I didn't mean that I hope you got drunk. I meant left you in good spirits. Oh. Wait. That doesn't work either. You spent the whole weekend drunk, didn't you? I meant I hope it left you happy and time was spent with good friends and family. Sounds like you managed to accomplish that. You can fill us all in on the sordid details later.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 04:07 PM (6IPEM)

335 "Pearl Harbor" is a crappy romance, but the battle scenes are pretty good.

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 04:07 PM (7qAYi)

336 NaCly Dog, thanks - one more for the book list. And Skip, thanks for that other title - yet another one for the list. Speaking of which, I'm gonna force myself through the last 100 pages of Ghost Mountain Boys some time in the next few days, but I've cheated and started Silent Victory (Pacific submarine campaign) early and am already well into it.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 04:07 PM (QDnY+)

337 Posted by: PaleRider at May 30, 2016 09:03 PM (wYRTH) Because there was only one. The other 'shooter' was a Good Samaritan neighbor who tried to intervene with his own gun and got shot multiple times.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 04:07 PM (MNgU2)

338 Gettysburg was, well, a mystery to me. So many bad choices by someone not noted for such. The notion that he just didn't have all the information he needed seems true but not sufficient to explain it. - Lee's plan included J.E.B. Stuart's sabers charging the Union line from the rear as Pickett's charge reached the stone wall. Had that happened, the Confederates might well have not only breached the Union line but created a panic and rout back to D.C. Lee might well have won the war. The reason Stuart did not attack is that a then unknown George Armstrong Custer prevented him from getting to the Union rear. The next year, troopers under Custer killed Stuart at Yellow Tavern. It is interesting to note that Lee's celebrated flanking attack (led by Stonewall Jackson who was wounded and died of his wounds) was an audacious gamble since he violated a basic principle by sitting his force in the face of a superior enemy. He won that gamble but the somewhat similar Stuart attack plan, equally audacious, was not met with success.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:08 PM (Nwg0u)

339 What happened, I think, is that the Union command structure, proto-modern in development, suddenly displayed its superiority over the old Napoleonic model embraced by Lee. Lee couldn't afford to make a single mistake, and he made one.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 08:57 PM (JBggj)


Please. Let's NOT bring it up any more.


Wonder if our Yankee friends are glad they won now?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 04:08 PM (S0Cig)

340 ... i love the score. one long crescendo. there have been concerts in england conducted by the composer, ron goodwin.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:09 PM (WTSFk)

341 ,,, the english have a tradition of running this movie on christmas on the tv...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:11 PM (WTSFk)

342 It could have been straight forward paranoid schiz. You'd think the Army would know to section 8 those guys before the fourth tour of duty.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 04:12 PM (6FqZa)

343 Ahhh, another measles outbreak. In Arizona. At a detention center. - Check Drudge. Hundreds of thousands in the Middle East, particularly in the refugee camps, are disfigured from flesh eating bacteria. Coming to a theater near you!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:12 PM (Nwg0u)

344 ... i love "where eagles dare" because it's based on a true story.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:12 PM (WTSFk)

345 Just finished watching "Saving Private Ryan". been a long time, forgot how moving it was. Now Jules wants to watch the new "Roots". I doubt it's anymore truthful than the first version, we shall see.

Posted by: Farmer at May 30, 2016 04:13 PM (o/90i)

346 330 Why do we only have one Houston shooter name? I'm going with 3 day rule before I buy in to the oh hell BO's regime finally has an actual dangerous veteran. Posted by: PaleRider at May 30, 2016 09:03 PM (wYRTH) ========= There was only one shooter. The other guy was a good Samaritan who tried to stop but was shot.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 04:14 PM (iQIUe)

347 My grandpa was a tail gunner on a B-24 during WWII, flew the China-Burma Hump. (Look it up, kiddos, I know they don't teach this stuff in school anymore...) He was a bit old to be joining up, over 30, and he left my grandma and dad safely tucked away in Georgia, in a hastily renovated chicken coop that served as married living quarters. He won some medals, left a ton of pictures that I only got hold of when my grandma passed away. So many pictures of him with his buddies in China had "died in plane crash" or "died in aircraft fire" written on the back. I have no idea who these guys were, just that they were my grandpa's friends and they died. I bring this up to make a simple request. If you have a family member or friend who served in WWII, or Korea, or Vietnam, or anywhere really, find out all you can about their experiences. Ask them. If they're not comfortable talking about what they saw and did, drop the subject, but if they'll tell you the stories - LISTEN. These guys (and gals) won't be with us forever, and when they're all gone, there won't be anyone left to tell the stories of our heroes.

Posted by: antisocialist at May 30, 2016 04:14 PM (9n14Y)

348 Kimmel avoided that by being at sea. The Pacific Fleet was rarely in port in November and December 1941. He worked the fleet hard.
============

Thanks, NaCly.  I remember that the planners were expecting the Japanese to advance from Jaluit, and most air/sub search units were deployed on that approach axis.  The IJN, of course, took the northerly route from the Kuriles and Hokkaido.

The Japanese were really good with the set-piece attack.  Port Arthur and Tsushima for instance, were daring and well-executed.

Kudos to Kimmel for working up the Pacific Fleet's readiness.  That paid off in the Coral Sea.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 04:14 PM (JBggj)

349 326 just had the most underrated pie for dessert.....STRAWBERRY RHUBARB!!!! Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 30, 2016 09:01 PM (0O7c5) ---------- Pie?!?! Lucky!

Posted by: weasel at May 30, 2016 04:15 PM (e3bId)

350 I like pie.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:17 PM (Nwg0u)

351 Only commies and japs don't like pie.

Posted by: weasel at May 30, 2016 04:19 PM (e3bId)

352 I see that others more knowledgeable than I am have already commented, but I always thought that Gettysburg was out of character for Lee. He won his earlier battles by maneuver and surprise attacks, not direct frontal assaults. I suppose the loss of Jackson and Stuart being missing from the scene played a role.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 04:20 PM (sdi6R)

353 Let me thank antisocialist for his comment and add to it. Those with friends/relatives etc. who are vets (of any war), look into the Veterans' History Project of the Library of Congress (loc.gov/vets). A way to document the stories/experiences of vets and even civilians directly involved in America's wars. I've done several WWII vets. Of course I can't enough of this stuff, it's fun for me. But everyone with a vet in their circle should consider it. Obviously WWII first, due to the calendar.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 30, 2016 04:20 PM (QDnY+)

354 You'd think the Army would know to section 8 those guys before the fourth tour of duty. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 09:12 PM (6FqZa) Or maybe sending guys into combat zones four times will be a precipitating factor to going a bit insane.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 30, 2016 04:21 PM (Dj0WE)

355 Check WZ. Elderly man falls asleep at Memorial Day ceremony.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:21 PM (Nwg0u)

356 Check WZ. Elderly man falls asleep at Memorial Day ceremony. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks I was just resting my eyes.

Posted by: Uncle Bernie at May 30, 2016 04:23 PM (k4M/B)

357 Of maybe that poor guy's fourth mission should have been to seize the mai tai stand on the beach of Guam. Four is a lot for someone who might be a bit "off".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 04:25 PM (6FqZa)

358 i love the score. one long crescendo. there have been concerts in england conducted by the composer, ron goodwin. - WED is like sex. It starts out good, gets better and better, then explosive climaxes all over the mountain.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:25 PM (Nwg0u)

359 I suppose the loss of Jackson and Stuart being missing from the scene played a role. Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 09:20 PM (sdi6R) The loss of Jackson forced a lot of changes. He realized it but it was a process of gaining experience with the new structure and in the heat of battle isn't the best time. Yes, we Yankees are happy we won. Maybe if the South hadn't acted like petulant children. Anyways, the real changes didn't happen until TR, Wilson, and FDR.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 30, 2016 04:26 PM (Ee2nz)

360 Check WZ. Elderly man falls asleep at Memorial Day ceremony. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 09:21 PM (Nwg0u) If it was the Red Army, Comrade Bernie would have been standing at attention and saluting them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2016 04:26 PM (45oDG)

361 339 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 09:08 PM (Nwg0u) J.E.B. Stuart got caught with his duck in a door jam. The thing that had gained him fame was what kept him out of the line for Moss Robbitt impetuousness to the edge of insubordination. If the Army of Nothren Vaginia had been 1/2 as worried about battle as looting they'd have fared better.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 04:26 PM (g8Hfr)

362 Quaaaack!!

Posted by: J.E.B. Stuart's duck at May 30, 2016 04:27 PM (6FqZa)

363 @339 not so sure that's exactly the case, Stuart's attack on the left had already failed by the time of Pickett's charge.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 04:28 PM (2Ocf1)

364 Feel the Berzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:28 PM (Nwg0u)

365 365 Feel the Berzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . . Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 09:28 PM (Nwg0u) He is like a Communist Grandpa Simpson, isn't he?

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 04:30 PM (7qAYi)

366 I was talking with an older relative in the South about Memorial Day, and he said it wasn't really observed there until the 1960s. Before that they observed Confederate Memorial Day, which was June 3 (Jeff Davis's birthday, of all things).

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 30, 2016 04:30 PM (kQw7Y)

367 353 Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 09:20 PM (sdi6R) Pete Longstreet was a great general, and for defensive war perhaps better than Stonewall. I find JEB to be held in far higher esteem than his latter war efforts merited. If I were making an All-Star team from the Union AND Confederate ranks JEB would not be one of my top three Cav commanders. I'd place Sheridan, Forrest, and Buford ahead of him... Custer is a peer.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 04:30 PM (g8Hfr)

368 @367 people get all upset that some places still do Confederate Veterans Day.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 04:31 PM (2Ocf1)

369
Pooped 'Em!

snnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Gramps Bernie at May 30, 2016 04:31 PM (KId5h)

370 and now...Heck on Wheels or "Bohanon relives his first season over and over and over"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 30, 2016 04:32 PM (g8Hfr)

371 337 rhomboid Another great book is Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions by Alan Zimm. It's an OR analysis of the IJN attack plan. I only disagree with one of his conclusions. He says that bad stuffing tubes found in BB zone inspections were a minor problem. He felt this would not impearl the BBs if they were caught in deep water. He was not a DCA, and I believe this a major problem if you have flooding from torpedo hits. It takes a concerted team effort to be ready for battle damage. The USN took a while to ramp up to the DC heroics of 1944 and 1945. There is not an American counterpart to the magisterial Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully. For example, where were the USS Hornet's dive bombers? That was covered up a tad. The CAG was not rewarded like the other, although he did get command of an escort carrier later in the war, and eventually made Vice Admiral.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at May 30, 2016 04:32 PM (u82oZ)

372 I was describing Where Eagles Dare to a friend who hasn't seen it: "Clint Eastwood shoots every German in Germany, and Richard Burton reveals the plot within the plot within the plot within the plot."

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 30, 2016 04:33 PM (kQw7Y)

373 I was describing Where Eagles Dare to a friend who hasn't seen it: "Clint Eastwood shoots every German in Germany, and Richard Burton reveals the plot within the plot within the plot within the plot." The thing that always confused me about that flick is why they cast a German officer that looks like Burton's blonde twin.

Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 30, 2016 04:37 PM (qUNWi)

374 356 Check WZ. Elderly man falls asleep at Memorial Day ceremony. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 09:21 PM (Nwg0u) Speaking of Weasel Zippers, check this out: https://tinyurl.com/zgo82r4

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 04:38 PM (sdi6R)

375 >>He is like a Communist Grandpa Simpson, isn't he? Posted by: Josephistan So you like the onion on my belt? Fashionable in my day.

Posted by: Bernie at May 30, 2016 04:38 PM (c7vUv)

376 373 I was describing Where Eagles Dare to a friend who hasn't seen it: "Clint Eastwood shoots every German in Germany, and Richard Burton reveals the plot within the plot within the plot within the plot."
Don't forget Mary Ure and Ingrid Pitt looking smoking hot!

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 04:38 PM (20X6f)

377 Speaking of Weasel Zippers, check this out: https://tinyurl.com/zgo82r4 Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 09:38 PM (sdi6R) That was awesome. There's still some good folks left.

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 04:40 PM (7qAYi)

378 I always thought that Gettysburg was out of character for Lee. He won his earlier battles by maneuver and surprise attacks, not direct frontal assaults. I suppose the loss of Jackson and Stuart being missing from the scene played a role. Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 09:20 PM (sdi6R) Not really. Fair Oaks/Seven Pines was just a sequential pounding match, which McClellan lost by being ready to retreat at the drop of a hat. Second Bull Run was lost by Pope simply leaving his left flank wide open. Antietam was an uncoordinated series of attacks by the Union, fended off by Lee but involving no maneuver or surprise. Fredericksburg could have been won by a big rock, considering how determined Burnside was to run into the defenses at full speed. And Chancellorsville...well, Lee had lost that battle, repeatedly, until Hooker saved it for him on two separate occasions. At Gettysburg Lee was clearly expecting the same quality of opposition and assumed his characteristically reckless posture, until the Union Army handed him his head (despite Sickles' best efforts to screw things up). And once he faced an opponent who wouldn't panic and understood strategy and logistics to boot, he was simply out of his depth.

Posted by: HTL at May 30, 2016 04:41 PM (hhBXE)

379 I'm rooting for Bernie. I want him to beat Hills.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 30, 2016 04:42 PM (iQIUe)

380 eh, my only problem with "where eagles dare" is the time dilation. the rescue plane takes off after danny boy has heard from broadsword and makes what should be at least a 4 hour flight from england to bavaria in about 1/2 hour. otherwise, it's very realistic.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:42 PM (WTSFk)

381 Speaking of Weasel Zippers, check this out: https://tinyurl.com/zgo82r4 Posted by: rickl '----------------- That is all kinds of awesome. Thank you for that

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 04:43 PM (rOuxT)

382 Speaking of Weasel Zippers, check this out: https://tinyurl.com/zgo82r4 Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 09:38 PM (sdi6R) What a terrific story. Well done to whoever did that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2016 04:43 PM (45oDG)

383 otherwise, it's very realistic.
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Snowplow vs. Luftwaffe?  Snowplow wins!

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 04:48 PM (JBggj)

384 Because there was only one. The other 'shooter' was a Good Samaritan neighbor who tried to intervene with his own gun and got shot multiple times. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at May 30, 2016 09:07 PM (MNgU2) That's two Good Samaritans recently here in Texas who tried to intervene and ended up getting shot up. The other one died right in front of his wife. Makes me wonder how much training they had.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 04:49 PM (heN73)

385 Clint just threw a potato masher back at the Germans. The number of the counting shall be three.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 04:50 PM (k4M/B)

386 of course, it's based on a true story...

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:50 PM (WTSFk)

387 Aww come on, Bernie wasn't napping. He was just praying. (With his eyes closed. And a bit of drool.) Anyway those z's you heard were probably ancient Sumerian chants

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 04:50 PM (6FqZa)

388 Where Eagles Dare does suffer from the problem that the heroes seem to have read the script in advance, so they know exactly what the Germans are going to do at every point.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 30, 2016 04:50 PM (kQw7Y)

389 And once he faced an opponent who wouldn't panic and understood strategy and logistics to boot, he was simply out of his depth.
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Robert E. Lee was a pretty good general.  He wasn't out of his depth, he was out of Confederates.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 04:50 PM (JBggj)

390 ... just a li'l ol' thing called world war II!

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 04:51 PM (WTSFk)

391
WED, Ice Station Zebra, Guns of Navarrone... three of the most pure entertaining movies ever made. All adapted from Alister MacLean novels.

All three are locked in the vault of my underground Fortress of Doom, for the Burning Times.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 04:51 PM (KId5h)

392 Where Eagles Dare does suffer from the problem that the heroes seem to have read the script in advance, so they know exactly what the Germans are going to do at every point. Posted by: Trimegistus The Spaceballs method.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 04:51 PM (k4M/B)

393 322>>Why assume it was ptsd? He was never diagnosed. It could have been straight forward paranoid schiz. Admittedly, I am assuming by choice. And, I am choosing to think his peers, those with whom he deployed, would have noticed something before he received a second star. Islam...this guy isn't a Bergdahl type I don't believe. Sorry, but I think this administration is at fault. Enough is known on PTSD, to at the very least, conclude that more info is needed. Is that happening? Or is it only being used to deny the 2nd to a few people?

Posted by: Tantorius Maximus at May 30, 2016 04:53 PM (5M4vc)

394 390 mrp,

He lost 'em at a pretty good clip...even in victory.

Posted by: Sven10077 at May 30, 2016 04:54 PM (g8Hfr)

395 WED, Ice Station Zebra, Guns of Navarrone... three of the most pure entertaining movies ever made. - GoN has enough plot for about a dozen movies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 04:55 PM (Nwg0u)

396 My small town has a National Cemetary because it was the site of a Connfederate POW camp. I try to remember those Union Soldiers buried nameless in mass graves now joined by the somber tombstones of sons and daughters of the South that march across the fields.

Posted by: tmitsss at May 30, 2016 04:55 PM (sUvQQ)

397 @394 lots of people have been through traumatic experiences. Not lots of people go off the rails afterward. And some people are just off. I know one or two people that if they showed up on TV as mass shooters I would not be surprised. But that's not enough to incarcerate them or deny them rights.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 04:56 PM (2Ocf1)

398 WED, Ice Station Zebra, Guns of Navarrone... three of the most pure entertaining movies ever made. All adapted from Alister MacLean novels.
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I remember reading Force 10 From Navarone and thinking that it was even better than Guns.  When the Force 10 movie was released, I couldn't wait to see it. ARRRRGGGHHH.  Bad.  Bad, bad, movie.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 04:56 PM (JBggj)

399 Talking about veterans that we know, Bud Day was a good friend of my BIL. He was not only a great hero, but also a very humble, decent guy. Donald J Trump said he didn't like the ones who got caught. I know it's not the place for politics here, but the more I think about Bud today, the more I HATE Trump. I do not him or Hillary for CinC. neither qualify.

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 04:57 PM (ozZau)

400 Turn

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 04:57 PM (yqOhE)

401 http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261874/remaking-alex-haleys-fake-roots-jack-kerwick Alex Haley's original Roots was based on lies and remake is also. Beware of Hollywood lies.

Posted by: Farmer at May 30, 2016 04:59 PM (o/90i)

402 Please. Let's NOT bring it up any more. Wonder if our Yankee friends are glad they won now? Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 09:08 PM (S0Cig) ***** Very few people care anymore, Nip.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 30, 2016 05:01 PM (YLidQ)

403 Amazing that Snoop Dogg got out there first telling the bruthas not to watch Roots. Snopp. Dogg.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 05:02 PM (6FqZa)

404 The problem with The Guns of Navarone is the ending. I don't like seeing those two phallic symbols break off and fall into the ocean.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 30, 2016 05:03 PM (Nwg0u)

405 Hrothgar here by any chance?

Posted by: L, Elle at May 30, 2016 05:06 PM (6IPEM)

406 The problem with The Guns of Navarone is the ending. I don't like seeing those two phallic symbols break off and fall into the ocean. And then all the British ships be like...woot...woot...woot.

Posted by: eleven -- unenthused trumpchump at May 30, 2016 05:06 PM (qUNWi)

407 The makers of Roots can't be happy by being stomped on by the NBA game seven. Karma's a bitch.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 30, 2016 05:06 PM (bQxkN)

408 @404. To be fair I am pretty sure he as high.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 05:07 PM (2Ocf1)

409 408 ignoramus

Karma beeyotcez

Posted by: Sven10077 at May 30, 2016 05:08 PM (g8Hfr)

410 Get Snoop a big bag of weed and the keys to the Oval Office. He can't be worse than what's in there now

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 30, 2016 05:09 PM (6FqZa)

411 Our 9 year-old grandson likes everything about airplanes, so I thought I would let him watch the segment of Band of Brothers where they go in via planes and chutes in pre-dawn D-Day. Bad idea, mine. Way too violent. Was regretting it when planes were going down with all aboard, stayed with it while the troops grouped up on the ground, but when they ambushed a cadre of Germans and even killed their horses. I pulled the plug. War is hell.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 30, 2016 05:10 PM (yjweH)

412 both g.o.n. and w.e.d. have germans bashing on steel doors with sledge hammers. never noticed that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 05:10 PM (WTSFk)

413 Force 10 from Nav was the only sequel he wrote.

He wroted WED (novel) and (screenplay) at the same time, on commission from Richard Burton. Interestingly he is buried a couple of plots over from Burton, in Switzerland.

WED has Eastwood's highest body county of any of his films.

The last couple of AM books were really stinkeros. He was deep in ETOH dementia at that point (I mean, more than us Morons) and claimed he had been captured and tortured by the Japs (he served in both Euro and IndoChina theaters) among other silliness.

Breakheart Pass, #4 on my favorites list, the mountain train scenes were filmed here where I live and the house Charles Bronson and Jill Ireland (rrrrrrrrrow!) lived in is up for sale, if you have an interest!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 05:10 PM (KId5h)

414 Test

Posted by: Ray B at May 30, 2016 05:15 PM (wOKJp)

415 400 Talking about veterans that we know, Bud Day was a good friend of my BIL. He was not only a great hero, but also a very humble, decent guy. ------------- Stace, Dad was good friends with Carlos Hathcock. I guess I met him as a very young kid, but didn't know it. Probably on the boat or at the Bait Barn. I still have a copy of Marine Sniper paperback that he signed - with his business card for a bookmark.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 05:15 PM (rOuxT)

416 Dad was good friends with Carlos Hathcock.
I guess I met him as a very young kid, but didn't know it. Probably on the boat or at the Bait Barn.
I still have a copy of Marine Sniper paperback that he signed - with his business card for a bookmark.
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That's great.  I met Carlos Hathcock at the Sir Walter Gun Club many years back. A quiet, very observant guy.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 05:18 PM (JBggj)

417 >>The makers of Roots can't be happy by being stomped on by the NBA game seven. Karma's a bitch.

Oh my! Well, they can't cry racism. And it's kinda poetics that a rehashing of African-American abuse tales loses its audience to current-day success of (mostly) African-Americans in an meritocracy. Success over victimization.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at May 30, 2016 05:19 PM (NOIQH)

418 I am not going to watch the Roots remake, but wonder if they have the scene where Kunta Kinte yells- Kill the white man! Because that is just what this racially polarized country needs now.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at May 30, 2016 05:21 PM (Bp1zC)

419 the house Charles Bronson and Jill Ireland (rrrrrrrrrow!) lived in is up for sale, if you have an interest!)))

Only $19.75 million I think I might be a little short.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ne5djq6

Posted by: Willy J. at May 30, 2016 05:24 PM (LncQn)

420 'but wonder if they have the scene where Kunta Kinte yells- Kill the white man!'

No, but they DO have Levar Burton in a cocktail dress and combat boots standing on the porch of a southern mansion shouting 'As God is my witness I will never be poor again!' while farting Yankee Doodle Dandy out of his colostomy bag...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 05:25 PM (KId5h)

421 The makers of Roots can't be happy by being stomped on by the NBA game seven. Not to worry. It will be replayed. And replayed. And replayed......

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 05:25 PM (k4M/B)

422 Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 10:15 PM (roux) Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 10:18 PM (JBggj) Hathcock--wow. that would be amazing to have known him.

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 05:26 PM (ozZau)

423 Robert E. Lee was a pretty good general. He wasn't out of his depth, he was out of Confederates. Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 09:50 PM (JBggj) OK. That may not be right, but it's definitely funny.

Posted by: HTL at May 30, 2016 05:26 PM (hhBXE)

424 For the movie "Gods and Generals", Bob Dylan wrote a song that was played over the closing credits. He also made it into a music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw8YjVrRNRU There is also an eight-minute version of this song on one of his CDs, with lots of additional verses. It's magnificent. Apparently he really is a Civil War buff. He once wrote that when he first arrived in New York City in 1961, he spent hours in the library poring over Civil War era newspapers on microfilm.

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2016 05:28 PM (sdi6R)

425 When Roots came out in the 70s (the first one), there were only 3 Networks and PBS. Now?? Nobody is going to watch this version. Too many choices now. Game 7 NBA, Game 1 Stanley Cup (2-2 score at the moment), MLB, and whatever reality show is popular at the moment (I don't watch them but lots of people do). Its on the "History" Channel for a reason.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 05:29 PM (20X6f)

426 "Too many choices now." Peaky Blinders Season 3 on Netflix tomorrow. All six episodes. Narcos Season 2 coming soon

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 30, 2016 05:31 PM (bQxkN)

427
Since the 'History' channel mostly puts on shows about space aliens implanting chips into Pres Lincoln's ball sack in order to make him become Hitlers secret inspiration for landscape paintings, it really isn't a 'playa' in the BET watching demographic...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at May 30, 2016 05:33 PM (KId5h)

428 >>Not to worry. It will be replayed. And replayed. And replayed.....


Yeah, bet that they distributed dvds of the series to public schools all over the country to ensure all our kids really know how evil Americans are.

A dvd set that *should* be made available to public school students is "Band of Brothers" (or the book). Saw a few episodes again today and it just so good.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at May 30, 2016 05:34 PM (NOIQH)

429 @397

Salisbury, NC?



http://tinyurl.com/gsytano

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 30, 2016 05:34 PM (S0Cig)

430 Pretty special day. If you use a magnifying glass, we have noted it on our home page.

Posted by: Google.com at May 30, 2016 05:37 PM (ANVXm)

431
The Blue and the Gray
Francis Miles Finch

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 05:38 PM (yqOhE)

432 The original "Roots" was an Event. It was a huge deal. It was Black People History, and I think it did a lot of good when it came out. Black Americans claiming a place in American history is a good thing. But somewhere it all went sour. Reclaiming black history has turned into erasing white history -- as if history is a zero-sum game.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 30, 2016 05:38 PM (kQw7Y)

433 Hathcock--wow. that would be amazing to have known him.
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I was at the club for a pistol competition (NRA bullseye).  While putting away my kit, I looked over at the next range, and an acquaintance waved me over and introduced me to him.  He wore some loose shooting clothes and smiled a bit, but those eyes were the eyes of a man for whom situational awareness was second nature.

Posted by: mrp at May 30, 2016 05:39 PM (JBggj)

434 "Too many choices now." Including the internet. I'm following the Warriors and listening to the Sharks while getting a lot of reading done.

Posted by: t-bird at May 30, 2016 05:39 PM (ANVXm)

435 Roots is also being shown on the LMN channel.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 05:39 PM (k4M/B)

436 >>>Oh my! Well, they can't cry racism. And it's kinda poetics that a rehashing of African-American abuse tales loses its audience to current-day success of (mostly) African-Americans in an meritocracy. Success over victimization. Posted by: Lizzy at May 30, 2016 10:19 PM (NOIQH)<<< Check yo' White Privilege, Honky, we'd just as much slaves for White America as my brutha Kunta wuz......

Posted by: Racially aggrieved NBA Gazillionaire at May 30, 2016 05:41 PM (hbjKv)

437 In reading local history in the form of news reports and journals, it is amazing that so many 4th of July celebrations in Oregon's history were celebrated by the Declaration of Independence being read by some local luminary or elected official, and other public celebrations included some speech or another, usually the Gettysburg address.


Posted by: Kindltot at May 30, 2016 05:41 PM (ry34m)

438 Pretty special day. If you use a magnifying glass, we have noted it on our home page. Posted by: Google.com at May 30, 2016 10:37 PM (ANVXm) Yeah I wondered if anybody else noticed that. Funny how diversity celebration goes up top the bar you type in, but today you can barely see the flag. Pathetic. Wonder if anyone will call them out on it?

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 05:41 PM (heN73)

439 435 "Too many choices now." Including the internet. I'm following the Warriors and listening to the Sharks while getting a lot of reading done.
Watching the NBA Game 7 and following the SC (GO PENS!!) online (I'm at work). I should probably get some work in while I'm here.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 05:43 PM (20X6f)

440 I had the opportunity to attend the Memorial Day Services today with my wife and children in Roswell,Georgia, the largest in Georgia and possibly the whole Southeast. Incredible ceremony with many speakers with tales of pride,sadness, heroism and inspiration.  The rendition of God Bless America, Laying of the Wreath, Taps and so many other items brought tears to my eyes and many thousands of others in  the crowd. It was by by far the laregest, most moving event of the type I have ever attended. It was a great reminder of the sacrifices made on our behalf and how blessed this nation is.  If you live anywhere in the Atlanta area you should make an effort to attend in the future. 

Posted by: Ripley at May 30, 2016 05:45 PM (0vsws)

441 >>>But somewhere it all went sour. Reclaiming black history has turned into erasing white history -- as if history is a zero-sum game. Posted by: Trimegistus at May 30, 2016 10:38 PM (kQw7Y)<<< What a coincidence! We find that we must do the same thing with all that "fake" Jewi-.....ugh, I meant ZIONIST history......Addy Hilter was 100% about what he never did to the Zionists, you know.

Posted by: "Palestinian" History Major at May 30, 2016 05:45 PM (hbjKv)

442 439:Wonder if anyone will call them out on it?
They've been called out on it several times. They just don't care. They hate us, they really really hate us!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 05:45 PM (20X6f)

443 Fuck Ben Moronowickz for diminishing Kelly's Heroes by comparing it to Three Kings

Posted by: derit at May 30, 2016 05:47 PM (OC+TJ)

444 OT: WOOT!! 3-2 PENS!! Still a couple of minutes.

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 05:47 PM (20X6f)

445 To LT Les Tomlinson, 12 Aero Squadron France, 1918. I was just a kid when we met but you taught me so much.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 30, 2016 05:47 PM (08Znv)

446 I went to a Memorial Day parade in DC a few years ago. Pretty big parade as to be expected. It was sunny I didn't bring a hat so I bought a cameo boonie hat from a street vendor. Tag in it said made in Vietnam.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2016 05:47 PM (2Ocf1)

447 I have posted these names on Memorial Day before. There's a simple reason. I haven't forgotten, and never will. Classmates, friends, Comrades-in-Arms. I still see them as not much more than boys, because that's what they were. Young men doing a man's job. JOE WOFFORD EUBANKS CAPT - O3 - Army - Regular 1st AVN BDE His tour began on Nov 13, 1971 Casualty was on Jun 2, 1972 In PLEIKU, SOUTH VIETNAM HOSTILE, HELICOPTER - CREW AIR LOSS, CRASH ON LAND Body was recovered -------------------------------- GLENN BRANSON HAINES JR PFC - E3 - Army - Selective Service 18th Eng Bde Length of service 0 years His tour began on Nov 26, 1968 Casualty was on Mar 6, 1969 In , SOUTH VIETNAM Non-Hostile, died of illness/injury, GROUND CASUALTY ACCIDENTAL SELF-DESTRUCTION Body was recovered ----------- CRAIG PHILIP AVERILL CPL - E4 - Army - Regular 101st Airborne Division Length of service 1 years His tour began on Jun 12, 1967 Casualty was on Mar 26, 1968 In THUA THIEN, SOUTH VIETNAM Hostile, died of wounds, GROUND CASUALTY MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS Body was recovered ---------------- RICHARD MICHAEL CAMPBELL SGT - E5 - Army - Selective Service 9th Infantry Division Length of service 1 years His tour began on Apr 2, 1968 Casualty was on May 7, 1968 In GIA DINH, SOUTH VIETNAM HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY DROWNED, SUFFOCATED Body was recovered ----------- LLOYD WHITFIELD MOORE HN - E3 - Navy - Regular Length of service 1 years His tour began on Jan 15, 1968 Casualty was on Feb 25, 1968 In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY GUN, SMALL ARMS FIRE Body was recovered --------------------------------- ROBERT NELSON MORDEN PFC - E2 - Marine Corps - Regular Length of service 0 years His tour began on Dec 19, 1967 Casualty was on Feb 8, 1968 In QUANG TRI, SOUTH VIETNAM HOSTILE, GROUND CASUALTY MULTIPLE FRAGMENTATION WOUNDS Body was recovered

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 30, 2016 05:48 PM (9mTYi)

448 Roots spread the lie that Blacks were taken into slavery via kidnapping by Whites. Nope. Whites went there and bought slaves. African slaves of African masters.

Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 05:49 PM (MQEz6)

449 444 Fuck Ben Moronowickz for diminishing Kelly's Heroes by comparing it to Three Kings Posted by: derit at May 30, 2016 10:47 PM (OC+TJ) You had me at "Fuck Ben Moronwickz"

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 05:50 PM (7qAYi)

450 OT: WOOT WOOT!!! Pens take Game 1!! 3 more to go boys!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 30, 2016 05:51 PM (20X6f)

451 someone way up thread was upset about being told "Happy Memorial Day"...

i beg do differ (from my FB):

years ago back when i was young and had a future, and Usenet was the k3wl place to be on line, i caught a load of crap from one of the resident trolls on a mil news group. (likely UMA)

how dare i say "Happy Memorial Day"?

to quote George:

It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.

George S. Patton

so, Happy Memorial Day to my fellow vets, and to those of you who have lost loved ones in the service of our country. i believe we are blessed to have known and to have served with those that would give all in our name.

may we be always worthy of their sacrifice.

see also http://weaponsman.com/?p=32303


Posted by: redc1c4 at May 30, 2016 05:52 PM (qeqxZ)

452 Outflanked, outnumbered, out of ammunition. Fix Bayonets. Charge!

Posted by: Joshua Chamberlain and the Bangor Tigers, Little Round Top at May 30, 2016 05:54 PM (v9gSJ)

453 Last two minutes of that Penguins game was a thrill, eh?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 30, 2016 05:55 PM (yjweH)

454 Fuck Ben Moronowickz for diminishing Kelly's Heroes by comparing it to Three Kings Posted by: derit Did he find some way to bring up the "black list?"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 06:00 PM (k4M/B)

455 Houston shooter Here is what I can glean from different reports from local tv stations Shooter goes to detailing shop and shoots and kills 50 year old man who had just pulled up for service Then he starts shooting people going by, cops, helicopters, what have you. Shoots three civilians and two cops. Young father has his gun and shoots the shooter dead Swat arrives and shoots the young father, thinking he is the shooter. Young father gets taken to the hospital, and they question him FBI, local cops and swat search the shooters car and detonate something in it. They do not see the shooters military duffle bag near by. Tv crew sees the bag the next day and tells the cops. Inside the bag is all the shooters info, including his birth certificate What a fucked up memorial weekend

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:01 PM (zOTsN)

456 Posted by: Google.com at May 30, 2016 10:37 PM (ANVXm)

Bing is better anyway, and they have an awesome wallpaper today.  I stopped using Google last year and don't miss it.

Posted by: DJ at May 30, 2016 06:01 PM (+2t20)

457 Check the Daily Mail for the info on the young father

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:02 PM (zOTsN)

458 "Fix Bayonets. Charge!" After Little Round Top on the second day, they put Josh Chamberlain and the 20th Maine in a Safe Place on the third day. They wound up fighting some of Pickett's men who had incredibly crossed a mile and a half of open ground under artillery barrage.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 30, 2016 06:02 PM (bQxkN)

459 Thank you Mike Hammer for naming names and places. God bless our soldiers who fell to free foreign nations.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 30, 2016 06:02 PM (EZebt)

460 Did he find some way to bring up the "black list?" I'm sure he'll find a way in his closing remarks. It won't be long before TCM completely deep-sixes war movies that don't fit the Party Line.

Posted by: derit at May 30, 2016 06:05 PM (OC+TJ)

461 Nip, not Salsbury http://1.usa.gov/1XKGUvP

Posted by: tmitsss at May 30, 2016 06:07 PM (sUvQQ)

462 Outflanked,
outnumbered,
out of ammunition.

Fix Bayonets.

Charge!
---
the best defense is a good offense.

IIRC, he was just a natural leader, not a professional officer.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 30, 2016 06:08 PM (qeqxZ)

463 Tank Commander US Army Reino Marttila 1909-2001 RIP Ded and thank you and your brothers

Posted by: FCF at May 30, 2016 06:08 PM (kejii)

464 Young father has his gun and shoots the shooter dead Swat arrives and shoots the young father, thinking he is the shooter. Young father gets taken to the hospital, and they question him This will be used by the media to crusade against private firearm ownership.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2016 06:08 PM (k4M/B)

465 My brother, James G. Aubrey USAF, and eighteen of his brothers (it was a C130 crash) are buried at Jefferson Barracks. Next to them is a grave for six Marines. Given that they're buried together and given the rank spread, I figured it was a CAP that got overrun. I knew my bro was a quality guy, but what I've heard from his buddies and classmates and so forth is astounding. Makes me wonder, for the millionth time, how much potential is buried under those innumerable modest heaadstones.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at May 30, 2016 06:09 PM (lePNR)

466 449 Roots spread the lie that Blacks were taken into slavery via kidnapping by Whites. Nope. Whites went there and bought slaves. African slaves of African masters. Posted by: eman at May 30, 2016 10:49 PM (MQEz6) Yeah, something to do with that "rich Muslim contribution to our country's history from its very beginning" that Preznint FourPutt is always running his mouth about.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 30, 2016 06:09 PM (fOgSR)

467 IIRC, Lee got no help and interference from Davis.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 06:09 PM (yqOhE)

468 Sheesh didn't realize Good Samaritan was shot by SWAT. Lucky he's still alive.

Posted by: Blano at May 30, 2016 06:10 PM (heN73)

469 Evenin' horde. *scrollin up. I have no idea what is going on in the world.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 30, 2016 06:10 PM (hlMPp)

470 When this was originally reported, police said one shooter shot the other shooter dead and then swat shot that shooter. Which if true meant they shot the Good Samaritan. Of course now they aren't reporting exactly who shot the shooter and who shot the Good Samaritan. I think they won't be reporting that anymore

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:10 PM (zOTsN)

471 Is Memorial Day the time to honor the spies & operatives who lost their lives in service to our country?

Posted by: Josephistan at May 30, 2016 06:11 PM (7qAYi)

472 Two Chick-Fil-A's in Gardendale and Fultondale AL did something special and touching for MIA soldiers http://tinyurl.com/zyqt5os Yet idiot councilmen, mayors, and college campuses fight tooth and nail to keep Chick-Fil-A out of their domains

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2016 06:13 PM (fnmIE)

473 @470 don't feel bad RWC, most of us don't

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 30, 2016 06:13 PM (voOPb)

474 I swear I've seen that barn before somewhere.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 30, 2016 06:13 PM (Xo1Rt)

475 IIRC, he was just a natural leader, not a professional officer." Professor at Bowdoin College, before and after the Civil War, mostly rhetoric. Also Governor of Maine.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 30, 2016 06:14 PM (bQxkN)

476 Well now, that second story just about breaks me. It's damn lucky that I no longer have a heart, nor more tears to render. But I'll join with her, and say once more, Thank You.

Posted by: goon at May 30, 2016 06:14 PM (WCaSy)

477 Good Samaritan shot in both legs and his shoulder. He has had several surgeries and blood transfusions already

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:15 PM (zOTsN)

478 mead and his lieutenants deployed very well throughout the battle (with the exception of sickles - although the argument can be made he prevented the rebs rolling up the union line). one of the great stories of gettysburg was the great improvement in the professionalism and skill of the union officer corps. the confederates' were degraded and couldn't replace their losses.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 30, 2016 06:17 PM (WTSFk)

479 470 Evenin' horde. *scrollin up. I have no idea what is going on in the world. Posted by: RWC ----------------' Neither do I. But, around here, some good peeps are just reflecting and being appreciative of the good things we still have because of those that gave everything. I'll take that.

Posted by: Chi at May 30, 2016 06:18 PM (OPUoa)

480 And this is what the wife of the Good Samaritan said today, even while her husband is being operated on A veteran. A nice looking guy," she said. "I mean, what are we doing? What are we doing for our veterans? They, too, have families. They're hurting and we have got to listen. We have to listen.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:20 PM (zOTsN)

481 Of course now they aren't reporting exactly who shot the shooter and who shot the Good Samaritan. I think they won't be reporting that anymore Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 11:10 PM (zOTsN) This whole thing is weird, with the backpack the cops left behind, and even one of the tv news stations said online (it's gone now I think) the police were being too cagey with the info. Thanks for posting the updates

Posted by: stace at May 30, 2016 06:21 PM (ozZau)

482 The documents in his military duffle are as follows The documents included a copy of Garza's birth certificate, showing he was born in San Bernardino County, California. A copy of his military discharge record was also among the papers. That document shows he achieved the rank of sergeant after four years as an infantryman. He also received several awards, including the Afghanistan Campaign Medal with two campaign stars and the Army Achievement Medal, among others. Help me army dudes Campaign medal with two stars. Is that two tours or three? I think it's three

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:24 PM (zOTsN)

483 Nope. Two stars means two tours Two not four.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 06:27 PM (zOTsN)

484 Good Samaritan shot in both legs and his shoulder. He has had several surgeries and blood transfusions already Posted by: ThunderB at May 30, 2016 11:15 PM (zOTsN) Good Samaritan should lawyer up and sue. Sue the police department, each member of the SWAT team, the people who trained them, their superiors, the police chief, the police Commission, and the City of Houston. He should wind up being the owner of Houston.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2016 06:35 PM (Lj21F)

485 don't feel bad RWC, most of us don't Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 30, 2016 11:13 PM (voOPb) I don't feel bad . Feel liberated I'll catch up tomorrow on how were being screwed.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 30, 2016 06:35 PM (hlMPp)

486 I want to wish Presdent Obama a Happy Memerioal Day and we be so proud of you and whats you did today to help the families that lost their husband because of Bush's illegal wars.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 30, 2016 06:44 PM (Fbj4h)

487 Mother of Samaritan says why aren't they helping our vets.

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at May 30, 2016 06:45 PM (yqOhE)

488 campaign ribbon is first award..

each cluster is an additional, unless you get to where they give you a single one for 5 tours.

ribbon and two clusters is 3 tours, last time i looked

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 30, 2016 09:53 PM (VY58g)

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