February 28, 2014

Tennessee State University Now Requiring Students to Wear Badges With a Built-In "Proximity Chip" So Their Movements In and Out of Buildings Can Be Tracked on Campus 24/7
— Ace

Wow. But See Caveat/Caution, Below.

The reason offered is that there has been a "rash" of vandalism on campus, some break-ins, and a recent shooting on school grounds. (The victim was not himself a student.)

The chip, I think, will not actually track everyone at all times. That is, I don't think it contains a strong radio signal that would allow a general second-by-second tracking of movement. I think the idea of the "proximity chip" is that it will only register a signal when it's brought close to specific locations which will detect proximity. So I'm guessing that mostly it will track people coming in and out of buildings, and perhaps their presence in major outdoor locations like the middle of a quad.

Though one could, of course, build so many such proximity-detection stations as to achieve that moment-by-moment tracking. Thus, in principle, they've established the principle of second-by-second location tracking. The only thing restraining them is budget -- how many position locators can you afford?

This is creepy, and it seems once again to be government/institutional overreach. The school, being a state school, is part of the government. The "problem" being solved here is... vandalism, which is a crime, and destructive, and annoying, but does that justify second-by-second monitoring of every student, as if he were a prisoner?

The shooting seems to be a one-off thing -- their press release speaks of a "rash" of vandalism but just the one shooting. Break-ins are ominous, but... isn't that why dorms have locked doors?

Every creepy, monitoring, controlling move is and will be justified by "safety" and "health" concerns.

I'm very curious about how all this happened. I'm curious about how people just decided that this was a perfectly reasonable response to vandalism.

Caveat/Caution: Commenters question whether or not this is simply the well-known sort of swipe card -- or touch card -- that are in common and widespread use in office buildings.

The news release makes it sound like it's more than that -- but perhaps they want to make it sound like it's more than it is to show they're really doing everything possible to crack down on vandalism. Maybe they're using terms like "proximity chip" when they really should just say: "We've now got swipe card readers on all exterior doors."

I don't know. But commenters make a good case that I'm blowing this out of proportion without knowing what is actually going on.

More:


Okay, well, if that's true, I'm not sure what's left of this post. Wearing an ID badge on campus is annoying, and not usually done, but I'm not sure I can pitch a proper bitch about that.

Posted by: Ace at 06:44 AM | Comments (266)
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1 Guilty until proven innocent.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 28, 2014 06:46 AM (DOOp+)

2 Foist?

Posted by: JtotheD at February 28, 2014 06:46 AM (DZLYG)

3 I'm curious about the contract to provide these invasive monitoring measures, and how people just decided that this was a perfectly reasonable response to vandalism.

I'm curious how this can help them find a perp who is not a student or conveniently forgot to wear his tracking badge when he went out with his spray paint.

Posted by: HR at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (/kI1Q)

4 It's not so bad. My dog has one of those.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (XUKZU)

5 I wouldn't be able to withdraw and dis-enroll fast enough.

Posted by: Medieval Minstrel at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (gBnkX)

6 If I'm willing to shoot someone or commit vandalism, wouldn't I just not wear my badge?

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (t06LC)

7 It also slowly turns to a red color as you get closer to 30 years of age

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (3ZtZW)

8 I would definitely follow the money trail here.

Posted by: Mordineus at February 28, 2014 06:47 AM (DOz2Z)

9 No way anyone at the University would use this to stalk a hot chick. Never happen.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 06:48 AM (QB04Z)

10 lol

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at February 28, 2014 06:48 AM (8v/hq)

11 That its shaped like a yellow star is entirely coincidental.

Posted by: JtotheD at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (DZLYG)

12 In fact, if I hid my badge in my friend's backpack and then committed vandalism wouldn't I then have an alibi that would make it harder to stop vandalism?

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (t06LC)

13 TSU is an HBCU. Racism cries in 3, 2, 1.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (ZPrif)

14 I'm curious to see if the students are on board with this. Unfortunately, the answer we'd get from them is probably "Eh, who cares?"

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (fk1A8)

15 Your agonizer please.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (6bMeY)

16 Dangergirl!

Thank you very much!  I just got it.




Posted by: EC at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (GQ8sn)

17 What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (GjPnA)

18 I'm curious how this can help them find a perp who is not a student or conveniently forgot to wear his tracking badge when he went out with his spray paint. You mean you can sum up the fatal flaw in this plan with one sentence?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (gBnkX)

19 It's wrong because it's creepy, but the way to shut this down is to cry racism cause it's an HBCU.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (ZPrif)

20 In before 'IF you have nothing to hide ...'

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (uctT+)

21 If they're worried about vandalism inside buildings they could use RFID badges to control access.  No badge, you don't get in the building.

If they're worried about vandalism to the exterior part of the building they're delusional thinking this will do anything to prevent it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (YEelc)

22 Didn't they do this on MASH?

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 06:49 AM (QB04Z)

23 I was in high school when the Columbine shooting happened. To assure parents that something was being done to protect us, they issued photo ID badges to all of the students and faculty, to be worn around the neck by a lanyard at all times. Most of us wondered what this was supposed to accomplish. Their stated purpose at the time was that, in the event of an emergency, the badges would allow students to be identified. Yeah, creepy. They ended up discontinuing them after two years, because they spent a great deal of time disciplining students for not having/wearing the badges. Whatever benefit they might have had, they were an unnecessary source of grief all around.

Posted by: Hal at February 28, 2014 06:50 AM (MftY/)

24 Maybe they're monitoring them to see if the students are available for a little harmless BDSM.


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Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 28, 2014 06:50 AM (BZAd3)

25 Hillary has AIDS apparently.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 06:50 AM (6bMeY)

26 The Race Card can get this shut down in a way the Nazi Card might not. The Race Card will work faster.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:50 AM (ZPrif)

27 F%ck that shit.
It's none of their dang business where the students are located.
And how is that not a security risk for the students to have someone tracking --and storing-- their daily whereabouts?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 06:50 AM (aq/zi)

28 Another dumb idea, probably done by a lawyer. Think about this for one moment. If you are a vandal, you simply don't wear your badge when go to vandalize. I face this sort of stuff in my business, where instead of tracking down bad guys, they decide it would be easier for them to make all the good guys do onerous paperwork. Which the bad guys won't do of course - they can just lie on it after all. Lawyers, however, love a paper trail and believe documents don't lie.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (dZQh7)

29 I'll need a little more info before I can go rage stroke on this.

1st, RFID badges are used for building access all. the. time. and have been since the mid 90s.  It just so happens it logs who uses the badges, and at what door.  While technically this "tracks movement", it requires someone to take the logs and analyze them - it does not typically provide a real-time feed.

RFID badges, used in this way, are a perfectly acceptable solution for building access and vandalism prevention. The university would know who was in the building during the hours the vandalism occurred, and they could correlate with cameras and the like.

This is not freaking me out.

Now, on the other hand, if the RFID is extremely high gain and feeds into a real-time monitoring application, and the sensors aren't just at building entrances...

...well, then these fucks need a lesson in moderation.

Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (/29Nl)

30

What we used to call

Good clean fun... Youthful highjinks

Now "Vandalism"

Posted by: Haiku Guy at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (bIy5N)

31 1. Steal another students badge 2. ????? 3. Profit!! A lot of activities within those ? marks.

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (fWAjv)

32 That said, I expect total surveillance on college campuses in the near future. I expect it mostly to be driven by fears of "Rape Culture".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (ZPrif)

33 How much $$ is being spent on cleaning up the vandalism vs. instituting this new technology?

Bet it's not about vandalism at all.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 06:51 AM (aq/zi)

34 To be fair, I'd elect to use a proximity bdafge to get in and out of building intead of having to hold it up to the sensor. But I'm lazy. Also, and OT, please unbann my IP address.. 173.226.71.34

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (BqGMB)

35 The White Zone is for Loading and Un-Loading ONLY.

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (QB04Z)

36

Yet another reason to go to college online, BTW.

 

I guess the only reason to go to a brick and mortar school is for certain degrees, like nursing, or some graduate schools, although I very well could be overstating it. If you're doing liberal arts or teaching or whatever, just do it on the computer and then do some practicums or internships, no?

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (3ZtZW)

37 Next up: tattooed barcodes on your arms. #IdiocracyAsAPlaybook

Posted by: Citizen X at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (7ObY1)

38 The University of Colorado Anchutz Medical Campus (where the Aurora theater shooter was a student) has a similar badging system for students, faculty and employees. It is not particularly new. They can generate a history of your times and locations. The clinical areas and research labs use them as limited access cards, which may help security. Not sure they are much of a deterrent as a pre-emptive measure against someone intent on doing harm. The illusion of security may be reassuring to some.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (g4TxM)

39 "RFID badges are used for building access all the time" You mean for restricted buildings, right, like maybe a lab? Or are we now locking down libraries and lecture halls too?

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (dZQh7)

40 That's silly.  We already have everything we want.

Posted by: NSA webcam monitors at February 28, 2014 06:52 AM (A0sHn)

41 Sure seems like over-reach. Here's their Board of Trustees: http://www.tnstate.edu/foundation/board.aspx It's a state school (and a land-grant), so the Governor should have some sort of oversight: http://www.tn.gov/governor/ And here's the link to the TN Higher Ed Commission: https://www.tn.gov/thec/Index/Institutions/PublicUniv.html

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (zDsvJ)

42 Many business already have active ID cards that track employees. This does seem inevitable for all colleges.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (ZPrif)

43 It's here it's here. The new Vikings is posted. http://tv-series.me/vikings-s2e1-brothers-war/

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (6bMeY)

44 Nobody told me that Ace would be writing before Noon. You are All Deceptive. *ear-stamp* Have some of that shit.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (lq3Ak)

45 I know!

Tape the badge to a cat.


Posted by: EC at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (GQ8sn)

46 More respect for the constitution by Democrats.

http://tinyurl.com/ltmbbth

I don't know why I even bother being outraged anymore.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (XUKZU)

47 14 I'm curious to see if the students are on board with this. Unfortunately, the answer we'd get from them is probably "Eh, who cares?" All the administration has to do is tell the students that this helps Obama. #ProblemSolved

Posted by: Citizen X at February 28, 2014 06:53 AM (7ObY1)

48

>>>If they're worried about vandalism to the exterior part of the building

 

plant ivy. nobody spraypaints ivy.

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 06:54 AM (3ZtZW)

49 How do they know the vandalism is even being committed by students?


Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 06:54 AM (aq/zi)

50 >>8 I would definitely follow the money trail here. Looks like President Lightworker has been an influence based on a quick perusal of the university's website.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 06:54 AM (zDsvJ)

51 Nancy Reagan was an idiot (astrology nut), but she had the best line ever. "Just say no!"

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 28, 2014 06:54 AM (LKJt3)

52 37 Next up: tattooed barcodes on your arms. #IdiocracyAsAPlaybook Posted by: Citizen X at February 28, 2014 11:52 AM (7ObY1) And the youth will lap it up. "Cool! What number did ya get!?!'

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (fWAjv)

53 13 TSU is an HBCU. Racism cries in 3, 2, 1. -- That'll be hard to sell given the composition of their leadership and BoT.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (zDsvJ)

54 Sounds like nothing more than the ProxiCard I use to get into my office, or that my 7th-grader uses to get into her school building. Doesn't sound like Minority Report just yet.

Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (s/Q41)

55 Some critics of this plan rightly point out that people who commit these crimes will be unlikely to follow the campus codes requiring them to wear their trackers. Therefore we're contracting with an additional company (at little additional cost to you) which is a pioneer in implant technology...

Posted by: Tennessee State U. at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (gBnkX)

56 College kids hardly remember to bath and change their underwear, so how are they going to remember to carry a badge? I'd tie my badge to my cat if I were there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (t3UFN)

57

These need to be fought all the way.  Same thing w/ "voluntary" GPS monitors from insurance companies. 

 

Monitor speed, safe driving, etc.   If we all don't stand up to this shit, it's coming.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (tVTLU)

58 This rash of vandalism means that the Citizens will no longer be permitted to leave their home Districts. You only did it to yourselves.

Posted by: The Capital at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (7ObY1)

59 The the geeks a few weeks and they will have the Dean at 8 places on campus, simultaneously.

Posted by: Waldo at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (e8kgV)

60 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag Ukraine Liveblog: Video shows 10 or 11 MI 28 attack helicopters, reportedly Russian, in Ukraine airspace today http://bit.ly/1mKIltY

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:55 AM (ZPrif)

61 "Iknow! Tape the badge to a cat." Posted by: EC I use staples, but tape is better.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 06:56 AM (lq3Ak)

62 "my 7th-grader uses to get into her school building." So I can look forward to many drives back to the house to pick up the card when my kid reaches 7th grade. Great.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (dZQh7)

63 Well, ok then. The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag Ukraine Liveblog: Russian FM downplays military movements in Crimea, says there's no emergency http://bit.ly/1mKJDoP

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (ZPrif)

64 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag
Ukraine Liveblog: Video shows 10 or 11 MI 28 attack helicopters, reportedly Russian, in Ukraine airspace today http://bit.ly/1mKIltY

Yeah, well, Obama shot under par on the third hole today.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (XUKZU)

65 Eli Lake : Putin’s Bluff: U.S. Spies Say Russia Won't Invade Ukraine

Reality : Russia admits it has moved troops in Ukraine

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (P1WNR)

66 An RFID badge on private property? PanicOutrage!!!11!!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (+lsX1)

67 Just wait until I put a chip in all of you everywhere. //Bronk O'bama America's Golf Pro and Amber Alert Guru

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (TE35l)

68 This has all got to be a way of making the next generation comfortable with the police state. I just can't think of any other logical reason for all the fakey-safety measures that people are subjected to on a daily basis.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (5npD/)

69 Tape the badge to a cat. Posted by: EC at February 28, 2014 11:53 AM (GQ8sn) *** Might leave a residue. (see earlier thread)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (g4TxM)

70 51 Nancy Reagan was an idiot (astrology nut), I see you're repeating the lying lies of the lying media about our former First Lady.

Posted by: Citizen X at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (7ObY1)

71 You mean for restricted buildings, right, like maybe a lab?

Or are we now locking down libraries and lecture halls too?

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 11:52 AM (dZQh7)


Sure.  And lots of businesses have them.

Quite frankly, they have a right to know who is in their buildings, especially if assholes are stealing equipment from them or vandalizing. If nothing else, knowing who is in the building helps you determine if anyone could have witnessed it.

It's actually quite irresponsible of them to not attempt some sort of access monitoring.  This costs the taxpayers every time some douchebag fucks up the inside of a building.

If this is the policy they want to set, the students can either live with it or go elsewhere.

But, like I said, if this is real-time monitoring, and not just a logged access record to be referred to after the fact - *that's* where this becomes unreasonable.



Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 06:57 AM (/29Nl)

72 Yeah, well, Obama shot under par on the third hole today.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 11:57 AM (XUKZU)



AND we have hungry children in Amerikkka.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (o3MSL)

73 Amphibian, meet slowly boiling water.

Posted by: Ribbit at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (/cUUk)

74

If I'm a vandal what does me some vandalizin from time to time and I feel like doing a little vandalizin tonight, I might leave my badge with the secret tracking device at home.

 

I might do that.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (WvXvd)

75 Next up: tattooed barcodes on your arms.

Tried that.

Worked for a while, but then everybody got lazy.

Posted by: A. Hitler at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (DOOp+)

76

>>>I use staples, but tape is better.

 

Cats lick the tape alla time and its just thk thk thk thk thk all day long I can't stand it

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (3ZtZW)

77 *(see earlier thread)* Posted by: Seamus Muldoon Nobody even does that.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 06:58 AM (lq3Ak)

78 Unless you have to have your badge to access dorms after hours, I predict a lot of them getting tossed in the microwave for a bit, then folks just going through doors in crowds. A lot of expense for no gain. Typical.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (naUcP)

79 Those guys need some ground to air missiles and a few legions of Al Qaeda Rebels. Time to airlift them out of Syria and into Crimea.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (6bMeY)

80 As others have noted, the report doesn't indicate that these are anything more than access badges used to regulate entry into buildings.  I use one on my current job and have with just about every job I've held since the mid-1990s.  You have to hold the card within a few inches of a reader for it to register.  Now if the cards could be read from a distance of several feet I might get a little creeped out but nothing in the story tells me this is the case.  I think this is just a case of people not using enough skepticism when reading a sloppily-written news story.

Posted by: Bill at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (xTgfn)

81 25 Boss Moss, No no sheeats aides for fuck's sakes... //Hummer Wienah

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (TE35l)

82 Well, at least the chips aren't being implanted.

Posted by: School officials at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (/cUUk)

83 "I'm very curious about how all this happened. I'm curious about how people just decided that this was a perfectly reasonable response to vandalism."

These measures aren't free, either. Public money is going to some private company who is charging for the security. How much vandalism was caused versus the cost of issuing tracking chips to everyone? How much vandalism will be prevented?

Now if they can only get vandals to wear the badges....


Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (ysUZg)

84

>>>U.S. Spies Say Russia Won't Invade Ukraine

 

Flashback: US Spies say Iran has cancelled Nuke program

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (3ZtZW)

85

What I wonder is when, like with the red light cameras, it will be pulled when it really doesn't work.

 

Such as when the first chip is stolen or lost, and something happens and the student claims "Hey, it wasn't me, I lost that thing/had it stolen."

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (hLRSq)

86 Mark of the beast!!!!!

Posted by: Alex Jones at February 28, 2014 06:59 AM (qhyLr)

87 I'm looking pretty good right now, aren't I?

Posted by: That Sailboat at the End of Every Zombie Movie at February 28, 2014 07:00 AM (/mQMC)

88 This is simply unacceptable. I would not stand for it. The students need to protest and raise hell. Maybe burn some people in effigy.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2014 07:00 AM (xWW96)

89 When it's clear that this project doesn't work, they'll try something more invasive.

Posted by: baldilocks filipova at February 28, 2014 07:00 AM (36Rjy)

90 Testing testing one two three. Ok great your new baby is completely safe now with our new updated chip installed. It's completely harmless and all newborns are required to have one.

Posted by: Google - Division of Citizenry Safety and Control at February 28, 2014 07:00 AM (IvKTt)

91 If you just use the numbers on your credit card can you disable the chip. Microwave? Big ass magnet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:01 AM (6bMeY)

92 Tn State is a "historically" Black university. Perhaps some of the local thugs are slipping on to campus. Most Universities now have swipe cards for keys to dorms, so they know when you come and go. This is just one more step to "protect" the students.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 07:01 AM (0FSuD)

93 Bill, true, except if there is GPS in the system.  If there is, that's a problem, if not then it's not really a concern, unless you're trying to sneak out of a dorm...

Posted by: prescient11 at February 28, 2014 07:01 AM (tVTLU)

94 When it's clear that this project doesn't work, they'll try something more invasive expensive and pointless. FIFY.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at February 28, 2014 07:01 AM (naUcP)

95 "Hillary has AIDS apparently." Well, I bet she didn't get it from Bill. At least her Cankles will shrink...

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (aA2hG)

96 >>Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 11:57 AM Good points. I think the hackles go up with the wearing part. That just has a Logan's Run feel to it. I also wonder if all visitors on campus are issued one of these things. Somehow I doubt that. And so in terms of addressing theft and vandalism, I'm not so sure how helpful this is as opposed to just having key card access to the buildings. Campus security and safety is a nightmare. No two ways about it. Especially at a public institution.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (zDsvJ)

97 I'm very curious about how all this happened. I'm curious about how people just decided that this was a perfectly reasonable response to vandalism. Age. 20 somethings don't know what the world was like before constant connection to the world.

Posted by: dogfish at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (nsOJa)

98 NEW!
ID Cards for Vandals!
From the good folks who brought you Gun Free Zones and Voting Without ID!

Posted by: B at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (Pson9)

99

>>>It's completely harmless and all newborns are required to have one.

 

Except for Mexicans

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (3ZtZW)

100 56 GRISTLE Encased He'd, That accom0plishes swet fuc all at great cost...? Oh right you're the guy who wants to nuke the military with no cuts elewhere required... My bad.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:02 AM (TE35l)

101 They've been doing this to wildlife on the Discovery channel for years.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (6bMeY)

102 They shouldn't make them "wear" them. They should implant them in their heads. For "the children"...

Posted by: tu3031 at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (yv+63)

103 Why don't they just post a 'Vandalism Free Zone' sign?

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (fWAjv)

104 One wonders also how they are ding this to track several thousand students at a time?


1984 alright

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (T2V/1)

105 Lie back and think of England, student.

All this surveillance AND you get to pay $25k per year.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (XV3x4)

106 "Hillary has AIDS apparently."

Well, I bet she didn't get it from Bill. At least her Cankles will shrink...

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at February 28, 2014 12:02 PM (aA2hG)

 

Everyone has AIDS!!

Posted by: Gary Johnston at February 28, 2014 07:03 AM (DrWcr)

107 "Why don't they just post a 'Vandalism Free Zone' sign?" Posted by: RWC Thread Win.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (lq3Ak)

108 "students and staff at Tennessee State University will be required to present identification badges at any time that can also track their movements in and out of buildings..."

It's "present them at any time" part that makes one wonder if it is more than just simple building access control cards that a lot of us use at the office. My office doesn't track me 24x7, just while on their property.

They're required to have it with them at all times, presumably so that they can present it if asked (where's a Lefty to do the scary "OMG, show me your papers you guys" comment when you need them?).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (aq/zi)

109 Real Americans don't let themselves get tagged like dogs for ANY reason.

Posted by: Fred at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (/mQMC)

110 103Why don't they just post a 'Vandalism Free Zone' sign?

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 12:03 PM (fWAjv)

 

 

 

 

Yes, that is the obvious solution, isn't it?

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (xWW96)

111 AP in Crimea spots convoy of Russian armored personnel carriers en route to capital
http://tinyurl.com/ny6hozj

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (P1WNR)

112 With this kind of technology, we might have saved the Reichstag from burning.

Posted by: Heinrich Himmler at February 28, 2014 07:04 AM (RwPqC)

113 Why don't they just post a 'Vandalism Free Zone' sign? It was the first thing they vandalized...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (naUcP)

114 103Why don't they just post a 'Vandalism Free Zone' sign?Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 12:03 PM (fWAjv) Yes, that is the obvious solution, isn't it?

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2014 12:04 PM (xWW96)

 

That and strict spray paint control laws.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (DrWcr)

115 No ID to vote, but you must have tracking collar to attend University?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (6bMeY)

116 Since all these kids have those fancy schmancy cell phones with gps. Wouldn't it be easier to just track them that way?

That's how the catch the bad guys on CSI.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (wrS2o)

117 As a way to track attendance or facility use, or even fairly standard measures for restricting access, this isn't a big deal. As a way to prevent vandalism? Fucking laughable. Great way to get an alibi though. "Dude, take my ID with you to the library. I got some other shit to do."

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (gBnkX)

118 I wonder how the contractor for this system is related to the administration? Sounds like a bit of crony socialism to me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (0HooB)

119 You all know this would be very easy to do if all the students were "given" iphones with the stipulation that the university must be listed as a friend on the find your friends app. Then the University would know where you are ALL the time you had your phone on. For your "protection".

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 07:05 AM (0FSuD)

120 Cameras are far more effective for tracking access, but it doesn't give you id.  Combine cameras in entryways with RFID, then you have a chance of identifying who it is.  And if they should leave their badge behind, or are from off campus, they'll have to coast in behind someone with a card, which means there is a witness.

As opposed to just leaving the doors wide open and unprotected.

Why is use of RFID technology acceptable in a place of business, but not in an educational facility with similar assets to protect?


Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (/29Nl)

121 I'm very curious about how all this happened. I'm curious about how people just decided that this was a perfectly reasonable response to vandalism. Because we are subjects, not citizens. Because why do you care if they track you if you don't have anything to hide? Because hey it's a public institution and if you want to use that facility you have to play by the government's rules. Because Safety and Security and For The Children Who Are In This Case Legal Adults But Whatevs. I mean, it's completely and totally and utterly crazypants to assume that some Pervy McPerverson will use such an ability to stalk whomever said perv choose. That's crazy.pants. Hmmm. I wonder if sovereign immunity is waived when that ability is hacked and someone uses the technology to break the restraining order and track his/her ex. To reiterate, it is insane that I am a loner, Dottie, a rebel for wanting to be left the hell alone.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (VtjlW)

122 The wife and I were startled by the security in our stepson's dorm at Pitt. You need to check in with a guard at the front desk, you need a badge, yadda yadda. At Virginia Tech in the mid-'80s I came and went pretty much at will, any time of the day or night. Granted that Pitt is an urban campus, it still seems like overkill and excessively paternalistic to boot.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (RD7QR)

123 111 Dr. Spank, Ivan is prety good at the headshot to start these things. Their 'ghani start was a masterpiece. Go Putin show the world how tough Lil Barry Prison Bitch is.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (TE35l)

124 A century from now, "it's for the chirruns" will fill historians with a vague yet foreboding sense of horror.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (Dwehj)

125 Sales of key chain size Faraday cages soar.

Posted by: AE at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (sSKe8)

126 I work at a california university where all the ID badges contain an RF ID "chip", but they're used to swipe swipe the readers that open doors (inside and out) of many buildings on campus. I'm not so sure this is solely for tracking. I figure tracking is one of the fringe benefits of using this technology to secure entrances, in the same way the use of proxy servers allow administrators to monitor web traffic.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (9eDbm)

127 I sure hope they don't start putting trackers on little boys!

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (tv7DV)

128 Pooty Poot is getting the band back together.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:06 AM (6bMeY)

129 OK, after reading all the links, I'm less bothered by this. They have clip on ID badges -- presumably with picture, name, and title/status (ie: student, staff, visitor) -- that they're required to wear. Not just little RFID tags. So it's an attempt to make it easy to tell who is authorized to be on campus and who isn't. So my outrage meter has drifted back down to pretty much zero.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:07 AM (zDsvJ)

130

 Bill, true, except if there is GPS in the system. If there is, that's a problem, if not then it's not really a concern, unless you're trying to sneak out of a dorm...

Not sure I get your reference to GPS.  In a typical access control system, card readers are placed at fixed locations; e.g., building entrances.  Authorized persons hold their badges within a few inches of the reader to unlock the door.  The system keeps track of which card unlocks which door at what time.  Processes like this are used at thousands of businesses, schools, government facilities, etc. across America.

Nothing in this story indicates that there is anything unique or sinister about the system used at TSU.

Posted by: Bill at February 28, 2014 07:07 AM (xTgfn)

131 Worst thing about CNN turning into MSNBC-lite? 10 years ago CNN would be covering a little thing like Russian invading Ukraine -- instead of a Kennedy getting a DUI. CNN used to be where I turned for international crisis news cause they actually did a better job than Fox. Now nobody on cable news covers stuff like this.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (ZPrif)

132 It does look like regular old HID chips for access control after looking at the vendor site.

The Uni could easily dispel concerns by setting up a data management plan that includes deleting the data after 60/90 days and include verification in their current auditing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (uctT+)

133 Security Theater

Posted by: Gmac at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (4pjhs)

134 Maybe the students should file a Federal lawsuit against them. 

I mean, getting a student badge is time consuming and many won't know how to do it.  They may lack basic transportation or live in an area with substandard public transport services.  Besides, some of them come from a background that traditionally doesn't use ID cards (i.e. Dem voters)

Posted by: B at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (Pson9)

135 "So I can look forward to many drives back to the house to pick up the card when my kid reaches 7th grade. Great." ----- No, they just wait by the door until one of their friends comes along, and they tailgate their way in

Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (s/Q41)

136 94 When it's clear that this project doesn't work, they'll try something more invasive expensive and pointless. FIFY. Posted by: Brother Cavil, future overlord of the winter wastes at February 28, 2014 12:01 PM (naUcP) Not mutually exclusive. And there will be a point; one that we won't like.

Posted by: baldilocks filipova at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (36Rjy)

137 51 Nancy Reagan was an idiot (astrology nut), but she had the best line ever. "Just say no!" Posted by: ExSnipe at February 28, 2014 11:54 AM (LKJt3) ---------------- LOL! But as an aside, Nancy Reagan was of course NOT an idiot. She graduated cum laude from Smith back when it was academically sound and challenging, when they had real grades. So she was a smart woman who nevertheless had an idiotic belief ... or two.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2014 07:08 AM (dfYL9)

138 Does that Aluma Wallet block those things?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:09 AM (6bMeY)

139 @120 Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 12:06 PM (/29Nl) Yeah, I'm with you now that I've taken the time to read it. I wonder how this even turned into a news story, frankly.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:09 AM (zDsvJ)

140 129 Y-not, My sense of horror is predicated on their pretending it fixes anything. Anyway I just woke up after passing out after the UltraSounds. Good news no tears just muscle distress, bad news that means it is either massive anxiety or a cardiac event.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (TE35l)

141 So my outrage meter has drifted back down to pretty much zero.

See? Sen. Juan McCain was right! You have nothing to fear!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (Dwehj)

142 Law of Intended Consequences: 

Depending on Tennessee's Freedom of Information Act, TSU might have to produce the movement records on request.

Posted by: Herm at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (Xv7f/)

143

Anybody remember those old PSA ads where the guy would come on and say "Its 11pm - do you know where your children are?"

 

This way the guy can come on and everybody will be required to look em up online and post it to wheremykidsare.gov they'll only take the kids half the time so no big deal.

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (3ZtZW)

144 *dances on the bar, on his toes* He-heaugh! *Tequila*

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (lq3Ak)

145 instead of a Kennedy getting a DUI.
-
Did she get convicted?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 07:10 AM (XUKZU)

146 @130 I agree this is much to do about little. However, I'm so used to my own outrage meter being pegged that I can understand how things like this can appear sinister prior to further examination.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (9eDbm)

147 This is an all black university and as we know forcing minorities to have photo ID is racist.

Posted by: JWF at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (1l37M)

148 Why is use of RFID technology acceptable in a place of business, but not in an educational facility with similar assets to protect? Posted by: grognard at February 28, 2014 12:06 PM (/29Nl)
Please, please, please tell me you comprehend the difference between a private business and a state entity. Please. Lie if you must.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (VtjlW)

149 Now nobody on cable news covers stuff like this. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 12:08 PM (ZPrif) Why? Because it might make Obama's leading from behind look stupid. Thank God we "reset" our relationship with Russia. Imagine what would be happening if we hadn't

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (0FSuD)

150 133 GMAC, YUp, "wht you want us to actually do something that'd be waciss..." //Campus Cop

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (TE35l)

151 I will say this, if you have ever been vandalized, you start wanting video cameras and implant chips in everyone, because the cops don't care and its a major pain. The vandals often strike more than once, and it really sucks. However, if this is happening on campus, we need to remember they have their own campus police who can stake out areas, do a bait situation, investigate, etc. Instead, law enforcement often wants the new tech that gives them a new budget and allows them to sit at a PC monitoring stuff and red tube instead of doing the hard work. Sure, if these are merely electronic key cards for certain buildings then maybe I can accept them, but if they are going to be for every building, it starts to be way more intrusive to simply stop a vandal. Also, this is a public space, not a private business.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (dZQh7)

152 Maybe they're monitoring them to see if the students are available for a little harmless BDSM.


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Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 28, 2014 11:50 AM (BZAd3)


Y'know, my first impulse is always "I am not going to pray for those reprobates ever again." 


It's a bad impulse, and I must fight it, but damn if they don't tempt me every single time...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (9LuAk)

153 Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at February 28, 2014 12:08 PM (s/Q41)

Of course, unless they spend big bucks on real controlled access, which they will not do.

This theater.

And...love the nic!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (QFxY5)

154 Depending on Tennessee's Freedom of Information Act, TSU might have to produce the movement records on request. --- Except that they would probably not be allowed to produce student data tracking under educational privacy laws.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:11 AM (zDsvJ)

155 Did she get convicted? Kennedy is Latin for 'Innocent on all counts'.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 07:12 AM (QB04Z)

156 Doesn't a tracking chip make it easier for thieves to find your credit card if they have a card reader?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:12 AM (6bMeY)

157 @138 in most cases, yes.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 07:12 AM (9eDbm)

158 It's like a slow motion invasion, while Russia insists they would never, ever do such a thing. It's like guys robbing your house casually, one item at a time, all while insisting they would never, ever rob you and really are just looking around to find these robbers you keep hysterically whining about. The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag Ukraine Liveblog: Black Sea spokesperson says Russian troops not engaged in Crimea... against evidence to contrary http://bit.ly/1mKKB4D

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 07:12 AM (ZPrif)

159 148 AlexTheChick, Maybe after Kelo folks can't tell anymore. Fact is it fels like we merely rent the land we "own"...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:12 AM (TE35l)

160 147 This is an all black university and as we know forcing minorities to have photo ID is racist. Posted by: JWF at February 28, 2014 12:11 PM (1l37M) Funny, I think they could use a college ID as and ID to vote in most states.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 07:13 AM (0FSuD)

161 Podcast goes up, podcast goes down

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at February 28, 2014 07:13 AM (uctT+)

162 Y'know, my first impulse is always "I am not going to pray for those reprobates ever again."


It's a bad impulse, and I must fight it, but damn if they don't tempt me every single time...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 28, 2014 12:11 PM (9LuAk)

 

There's always imprecatory prayer...

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2014 07:13 AM (DrWcr)

163 Video cameras in public don't depend on the perp obeying the rules designed to deter him. And they're cheap now. Not that I love being filmed 24/7, but I'm used to it (in public, not thrilled about hacked webcams and the like). Are they going to check at every door 27-7 to make sure all the students are carrying their RFID device? That's cost prohibitive.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 07:13 AM (sOtz/)

164 Someone give AtC some reality. QUICKLY! *You*, over there?!? It faded.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:13 AM (lq3Ak)

165 Tennessee is going to make black students wear E shackles.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (6bMeY)

166 You can always tell a building that's having its security overhauled. It's the one with all the doors propped open.

I have some experience with these. They don't control access unless you also have a bunch of architecturally integrated anti-access barriers, usually bronze-anodized aluminum square section fencing with anti-climb features, scattered through your previously wide open campus vistas. The fences are expensive, and accident-prone.

Those who have forgotten their prox cards bunch up close to the choke-points, and take turns following a carded person through. Actual security consists of students, or contract guards, surveying those clutches of suspects for someone wo doesn't look like he belongs. 

OK in low-stress situations. It would keep Greenpeace out of the Air Force Academy (although it hasn't yet worked on Mikey Weinstein; one can only attribute this to the zoomie muckety-mucks' refusal to commit to CAS since the Key West Agreement, fuck you pace Sefton), and it will keep soulless gingers out of TSU. Also, leads to those noises the pod-people make in the 1978 Body Snatchers.

In case of rave-up or flash mob, the whole system packs it in. Not that tis would ever happen at TSU. It does get you used to living in the City of The Future though. And the Camps. The Middle Class Camps. 


Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (xq1UY)

167

>>>It's like a slow motion invasion, while Russia insists they would never, ever do such a thing.

 

A "just the tip" invasion

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (3ZtZW)

168 Please. Lie if you must.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 28, 2014 12:11 PM (VtjlW)

Uh...a state entity like a courthouse?

And "Lie if you must" reminds me of the poem "Barbara Frietchie."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (QFxY5)

169 It's like a slow motion invasion, while Russia insists they would never, ever do such a thing. Ukraine : Are you wearing something? Russia : I'm wearing you.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (QB04Z)

170 32 That said, I expect total surveillance on college campuses in the near future. I expect it mostly to be driven by fears of "Rape Culture".Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 11:51 AM (ZPrif)

I know a university student advisor, one of her students was raped within the last month at school...by the security guard who monitors her building. Who watches the watchmen? Students are not the only perpetrators of crime.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (BF+2f)

171 >>> 145 instead of a Kennedy getting a DUI.
-
Did she get convicted?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 12:10 PM (XUKZU)

...........

She's a Kennedy dude, they learn how to get away with DUIs before they start elementary school.

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (9qDRl)

172 If you want to track people traffic in and out of buildings all you need are magnetic locks and card access readers. 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (WvXvd)

173 Of course, unless they spend big bucks on real controlled access, which they will not do. This theater. --- I don't think that's quite fair. They are basically requiring everyone to visually display an ID badge on their person to demonstrate that they are authorized to be on campus. So whatever their current security is on campus - people or cameras or both - will be more effective at spotting who may not be authorized to be on the property. Those badges also happen to have electronic tags that the "smart" buildings can pick up, but really that seems to be secondary. Bad press release by the university or bad public information work seems to have led this into being A Thing, when it really isn't.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:14 AM (zDsvJ)

174 Tennessee is going to make black students wear E shackles.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 12:14 PM (6bMeY)

 

I told you, they gonna put y'all back in chains!

Posted by: Joey Biden at February 28, 2014 07:15 AM (DrWcr)

175 Er, on my other planet the day is 27 hours.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 07:15 AM (sOtz/)

176 Whoever thought this was a good idea evidently doesn't know many college students.
Which, admittedly, *does* sound a great deal like college administration.

We'd have had way too much with this, back in the day.

Posted by: Luke at February 28, 2014 07:15 AM (32FX2)

177 172 If you want to track people traffic in and out of buildings all you need are magnetic locks and card access readers. --- Hard to do when classes are going in and out of session though. So many people go through those double doors at once.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:15 AM (zDsvJ)

178 Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 12:12 PM (QB04Z)

The judge did tell her to shut the fuck up with the blather about her sainted father.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2014 07:15 AM (QFxY5)

179 Oh, and all this Russia stuff is impossible, the US "intelligence" apparatus is never wrong.

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2014 07:16 AM (9qDRl)

180 Maybe I am just behind the times, and everyone used key cards for everything. I work at home and my daughter's school does not have this yet. So, I should expect this soon? After Newtown, we have to wear visitor badges when visiting the school...really not useful and a waste of time. The schools other actions: lock a rear gate except at start and end of day. close a front gate with a lock that is actually open but appears shut. Those seemed very reasonable.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 07:16 AM (dZQh7)

181

>>>Tennessee is going to make black students wear E shackles.

 

12 Years a Student, after medical school, etc

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 07:17 AM (3ZtZW)

182 Couldn't we at least invade Venezuela?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:17 AM (6bMeY)

183 Kennedies have carte blanche to straight-up murder people in the country and people seriously think one might be convicted on a DUI? Please.

Posted by: Paul at February 28, 2014 07:17 AM (9qDRl)

184 Those seemed very reasonable.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 12:16 PM (dZQh7)

 

They forgot the moat, razor wire, watch towers and murderholes.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2014 07:17 AM (DrWcr)

185 "The judge did tell her to shut the fuck up with the blather about her sainted father".... Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo You'll find that on just about any street-corner, nowadays.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:18 AM (lq3Ak)

186 179 Paul, The Soviet economy is on the verge of a great economy... //Super Sekrit Agent Krugaton aka Special K in 1989

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:18 AM (TE35l)

187
It can be confidently said that the recipe for boiling frogs is among the information stored on School ID cards and movement trackers:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests...people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...WE DIDN'T LOVE FREEDOM ENOUGH. AND EVEN MORE – WE HAD NO AWARENESS OF THE REAL SITUATION.... WE PURELY AND SIMPLY DESERVED EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AFTERWARD.” -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: The State Chef at February 28, 2014 07:18 AM (Xv7f/)

188 Access is controlled or restricted to public facilities of every type and description. And, as grognard pointed out, protecting publicly funded assets is certainly within the charge of the institution.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (zDsvJ)

189 Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 12:14 PM (zDsvJ)

The reality is that without controlled access that checks the photo ID against the bearer, this is another way to avoid doing anything substantive.

You and I have been on enough college campuses to know what will happen.

30 seconds after this is implemented every third door will be propped open.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (QFxY5)

190 BARRELL!!!

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (lq3Ak)

191

Posted by: The State Chef at February 28, 2014 12:18 PM (Xv7f/)

 

Sweet!  Now I have a live-in chef!

Posted by: The Barrel at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (DrWcr)

192 RFID chips have been read out to a distance of 69 feet.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (6bMeY)

193 Barrel for Xv7f/

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (zDsvJ)

194 Sorry.  I denounce myself.  (What'd I do?)

Posted by: The State Chef at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (Xv7f/)

195 "They are basically requiring everyone to visually display an ID badge on their person to demonstrate that they are authorized to be on campus. So whatever their current security is on campus - people or cameras or both - will be more effective at spotting who may not be authorized to be on the property." Yeah, no one will forget their badge. The false positive rate will make this worthless. Hassle everyone for the sake of a few. How about the campus cops patrol more or stake out areas?

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (dZQh7)

196 I see that The State Chef will be serving up today's Barrel Scrapings.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (QB04Z)

197 Chef. Barrel.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (L8r/r)

198 Rollin' rollin' rollin', get that barrel rollin'...

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 07:19 AM (BF+2f)

199 I hope you like emulsions.

Posted by: Barrel at February 28, 2014 07:20 AM (QB04Z)

200 Posted by: The State Chef at February 28, 2014 12:18 PM (Xv7f/)

Barrel. And be sure to wash your hands before touching any food.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2014 07:20 AM (RD7QR)

201 @182 Or a few nice Caribbean islands. The troops deserve a break.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 07:20 AM (sOtz/)

202 A major European country is being invaded by Russia as we speak and the UN is in emergency session ... and cable news seems not to care. We have 3 24/7 news channels -- maybe one of them could cover this?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (ZPrif)

203 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2014 12:19 PM (QFxY5)


And within a week some enterprising student will have a cottage industry providing programmed cards.  With slightly altered birthday data, of course.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (L8r/r)

204 I don't know why I even bother being outraged anymore.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 11:53 AM (XUKZU)


Damn.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (BZAd3)

205 Sounds like the "Magic Band" from Disney world. On the one hand its cool to have one thing be your ticket, room key and credit card. On the other hand its pretty creepy how they track you around.

Posted by: Iblis at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (U0ndG)

206 Maybe it's time to incorporate something about not copy/pasting from Word into the masthead.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (gBnkX)

207 Damn that was a long comment.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:22 AM (6bMeY)

208 202 A major European country is being invaded by Russia as we speak and the UN is in emergency session ... and cable news seems not to care.

We have 3 24/7 news channels -- maybe one of them could cover this?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)


Their viewers don't care. The nets are just giving people what they want: Kardashians and Kennedys.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2014 07:22 AM (RD7QR)

209 You probably tried to post something copied from "word". Pixy says, "You can't do that." Eat barrell.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:22 AM (lq3Ak)

210 Funny, I think they could use a college ID as and ID to vote in most states. Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 12:13 PM (0FSuD) Obviously, but that logic would remove the race-baiting issue.

Posted by: JWF at February 28, 2014 07:22 AM (1l37M)

211 Why stop with the Ukraine? Take Poland and East Germany.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:23 AM (6bMeY)

212 202 Flatbush Joe, For real? Look King Cluserfuck can't do shit about it. It can't be spun that Mitt was not right when Barry blew him off. They want defense cuts, that's a hard sale in a disrupted world. Welcome to the USSA comrade.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:23 AM (TE35l)

213 Ugh. Even his silly ass jogging pisses me off. From TFG and Choo Choo....Let's Move! http://tinyurl.com/kx3sw4l

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 07:23 AM (fWAjv)

214

I have one of those thingies on my ID badge at work.

But, they pay me lots of money to wear it. I'm not paying them lots of money for the opportunity to wear it, like these student are.

A bright student could easily figure out how to make one of the badges "stop working".

Posted by: Roy at February 28, 2014 07:24 AM (VndSC)

215 IBM laying off up to 25 percent of its hardware division. Recovery Winter!

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2014 07:24 AM (RD7QR)

216 Wait, the Ukraine is being invaded? I was assured by the Daily Beast from the Dump thread that that wasn't going to happen. If you can't trust the Daily Beast, who can you trust?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 28, 2014 07:24 AM (gBnkX)

217 Funny, I think they could use a college ID as and ID to vote in most states.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2014 12:13 PM (0FSuD)



It would have to somehow show whether the student was a resident of the state or not.  Which would, of course, be discriminatory.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 07:24 AM (L8r/r)

218 Chef, Barrel. And let that be a lesson to never cut and paste from a Word document.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (0HooB)

219 Maybe it's time to incorporate something about not copy/pasting from Word into the masthead. Then what would we feed the barrel?

Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (4+AaH)

220 Sorry. I denounce myself.

And you think that will suffice?

Posted by: The Barrel at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (Dwehj)

221 You and I have been on enough college campuses to know what will happen. -- There are a lot of factors at play. I think the sinister nature of this has been eliminated upon further reflection. What they're doing is SOP in many private and public institutions. The effectiveness is another thing. It's a little hard to judge without knowing what they'd been doing previously. And universities are under a lot of scrutiny from well-meaning (but not necessarily well-informed) legislators, parents, and the public over safety. So if they hadn't been doing much of anything, this may be a required step. But certainly if they've had a problem with people roaming around campus up to no good, an ID badge is a good step. And they are within their rights to require students, staff, and visitors to wear them, just like hospitals do.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (zDsvJ)

222


>>>Look King Cluserfuck can't do shit about it.

 

Correct. And, boiled down, all the MSM cares about are domestic issues anyway. Leftards are extremely provincial.

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (3ZtZW)

223 Then what would we feed the barrel?

Posted by: blaster

Virgins.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at February 28, 2014 07:25 AM (fk1A8)

224 Rolll out the barrel. We've got a barrel of fun...

Posted by: We've got the blues on the run at February 28, 2014 07:26 AM (/cUUk)

225 RFID chips are not hammer friendly.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 07:26 AM (6bMeY)

226 @203 the only thing stored on a typical RFID strip in a badge is a single number that means nothing until it is mapped to an actual person ID in a database. It is not the actual ID of the person, nor is any personal identifier stored on it such as a name or DOB.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 07:26 AM (9eDbm)

227 (meanwhile, in the dean's office of Triskelion state U)


"I bet 500 quatloos they are untrainable and need to be destroyed"

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (FMbng)

228 Why don't we just start micro-chipping people?

Posted by: --- at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (MMC8r)

229 On this date in 1836 the forces of General Santa Anna arrived in Bexar (San Antonio) to confront the rebellious Texans. And so begins the thirteen day siege of the Alamo.

Posted by: The Texans at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (/9JFE)

230 But, they pay me lots of money to wear it. I'm not paying them lots of money for the opportunity to wear it, like these student are. --- You have the option not to apply to and enroll in the university.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (zDsvJ)

231 >>I have one of those thingies on my ID badge at work.
But, they pay me lots of money to wear it. I'm not paying them lots of money for the opportunity to wear it, like these student are.

Also, you're not required to have it on you 24x7. They;re not tracking you non-work activities/locations.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (aq/zi)

232 Fuck the barrel. Give him the hogshead.

Posted by: And pour me a flagon of mead. at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (/cUUk)

233 That's not paste.

Posted by: Barrel at February 28, 2014 07:28 AM (QB04Z)

234 Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR Ukrtelecom lost communication with its #Crimean branch.The reason: communication nodes were blocked by unknown - crimeaSOS|PR News #Ukraine

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 07:28 AM (ZPrif)

235 @170 Liz, not trying to one-up you, but at "our" local campus, a co-ed (remember those?) was raped and murdered by a campus security guard. And, sorry, but points off for not using "selfsame" to describe "guardians."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 28, 2014 07:29 AM (xq1UY)

236 Do they get dip with those chips?

Posted by: Just askin' at February 28, 2014 07:29 AM (/cUUk)

237 Hey! There's a beverage involved, here. You know? There are certain things that have "come-to-light" here, man. *sips caucasian* There are things, here. You know. You've got to Feed the Monkey, man. Certain Things Have Come to Light. She's probably...you know...kidnapping herself, man.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:29 AM (lq3Ak)

238 Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 12:26 PM (9eDbm)


True, but there are cases where PII data is in mechanically readable form, either in the RFID chip or in a mag strip.  I've seen nightclubs that actually run your DL through a reader and check the data against what's printed on the card to ensure that it matches, rather than really on the bouncer/doorman's judgement.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 07:30 AM (L8r/r)

239 222 Bigby's Hangnail, Quite and they really are quite retarded as regards foreign affairs contrary to their delusions. CNN won't report when the first US city gets nuked either. Well unlss Jeb is PotUS then it'll matter..... The media Jedi Hand-waved away Clinton being POTUS during the planning and infiltration for 9/11.... It's a con...the M$M is a long con grift

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:30 AM (TE35l)

240 205 Sounds like the "Magic Band" from Disney world. On the one hand its cool to have one thing be your ticket, room key and credit card. On the other hand its pretty creepy how they track you around. Posted by: Iblis at February 28, 2014 12:21 PM (U0ndG)

It's a small world after all...

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 07:31 AM (BF+2f)

241 And keeping, you know... rodents. ...within City Limits. That's. You know. That's probably not legal, either.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:31 AM (lq3Ak)

242 Gah!  Really = Rely

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 07:31 AM (L8r/r)

243 Access is controlled or restricted to public facilities of every type and description. And, as grognard pointed out, protecting publicly funded assets is certainly within the charge of the institution. Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2014 12:19 PM (zDsvJ) I think we (by which I mean I) are talking past each other. There's a difference in kind between controlled access, i.e., I must show ID of some type to access a building and logged and monitored accounts of my movements the entire time I am at a facility. I have no problems with controlled access. That is fine. I do have a problem with a public entity demanding that it have the capability to track me in real or near real time via a chip which I must keep on my person at all times. I do not trust that public entity not to abuse that. Not to mention the whole open access law issue. Look, a private company can put into place whatever rules it wants. Why? Because that private entity does not have the power of the state behind it and I can sue the ever living motherfuck out that private entity when Pervy McPerverson does what we all know will happen. I can't do that to a state actor, or, to the extent that I can, such action is likely to be highly curtailed. I wonder if some of the cross talk isn't because there are those looking at this from the perspective of the physical plant vs. those of us looking at it from the perspective of tracking of individuals. Of course any entity has a right to protect its physical plant. The issue is that I do not trust a state actor to use a system that also has the ability to track individuals not turn around and focus on secondary abilities over primary function.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 28, 2014 07:32 AM (VtjlW)

244 That's, you know... ...probably not Legal, either.

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 28, 2014 07:33 AM (lq3Ak)

245 Nood.

Posted by: Vladimir Pooty Poot at February 28, 2014 07:33 AM (tv7DV)

246 >>Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 28, 2014 12:32 PM (VtjlW)

Exactly!!!!

And how long do they store their location data, in addition to who has access to it?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2014 07:37 AM (aq/zi)

247 There's so much doubt about my original interpretation i've retracted this story.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2014 07:38 AM (/FnUH)

248 sorry all.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2014 07:38 AM (/FnUH)

249 I think it will turn out Russia invaded before the DB said they would not.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 07:39 AM (sOtz/)

250 It's completely harmless and all newborns are required to have one.

Except for Mexicans illegal aliens.

Posted by: Bigby's Hangnail at February 28, 2014 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)

Posted by: E Holder at February 28, 2014 07:40 AM (o3MSL)

251 This is also a great way to get the young people used to carrying ID at all times, and getting used to being tracked. I know, I know "they are just key cards." And I remember the Patriot Act just monitoring foreign phone calls. Oh, and now they have the meta data. You know, just in case.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 07:40 AM (dZQh7)

252 Sorry. I denounce myself. (What'd I do?)

Posted by: The State Chef at February 28, 2014 12:19 PM (Xv7f/) ]/i]

I see lots of people have told you what the problem was, but not how to fix it.  When quoting from a Word document (or even from other comments on this website) the way to avoid carrying over a lot of extraneous formatting instructions is to copy the information into Notepad first, and then to copy and paste from there into the comments box here.  Then you can add formatting instructions as you like, using BB code (not html).

Hope this helps.

Posted by: CQD at February 28, 2014 07:41 AM (L9te5)

253 I'm actually not totally against this idea. I just want to kvetch.

Posted by: sexypig at February 28, 2014 07:41 AM (dZQh7)

254 The media Jedi Hand-waved away Clinton being POTUS during the planning and infiltration for 9/11....

It's a con...the M$M is a long con grift

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 12:30 PM (TE35l)


And their hands are still waving frantically!

Posted by: E Holder at February 28, 2014 07:41 AM (o3MSL)

255 Probably some student group suggested Concealed Carry as a security enhancer. That really brings out the creative alternatives. And you know, a UNCF institution is about the last place the establishment would want students to have a gun. Pretty much how modern gun control got rolling.

Little story. It was 1969, and a blowhard high-school civics teacher set aside his class plan to blow V8 on the anti-war movement.  Guy I knew was in the class, and "protested" (get it?) that it would only be fair to bring in a representative of the other side, to tell the class the other side of the story and what they hoped to accomplish. Said he knew people in the movement at the local college, and was sure he could come up with a proper representative, maybe even a prof.

Teacher immediately took this to Higher Command, presenting it as an SDS plan to Occupy The School. A few days later, admin issued a directive. All panic-bar doors were chained shut from the inside, and designated teachers had a key to the padlock.

And once that complete security program had been implemented, some wag pulled a fire alarm. If the SDS "or whoever" had wanted to dry-run how to terrorize a school, they'd have had it for free that day. That and the latest skirt-length negotiations kept the Mothers Club busy for the rest of the school year.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 28, 2014 07:42 AM (xq1UY)

256   And there I have committed another error )the incorrectly closed formatting tag), thus relieving you of your time in the barrel.  Of course, I only did that to show you how it works...

Posted by: CQD at February 28, 2014 07:42 AM (L9te5)

257 202 A major European country is being invaded by Russia as we speak and the UN is in emergency session ... and cable news seems not to care.

We have 3 24/7 news channels -- maybe one of them could cover this?
***

Hey, Zero and Biden just made a video for Moochell's Let's Move campaign.

What more must he do for you?

Posted by: B at February 28, 2014 07:47 AM (Pson9)

258 First they came for the first graders, and I did nothing
Then they came for the middle school kids, and I did nothing,
And all the rest.

So,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw

Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 07:48 AM (JBggj)

259 219 Maybe it's time to incorporate something about not copy/pasting from Word into the masthead.
Then what would we feed the barrel?
Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2014 12:25 PM (4+AaH)


Italians.  Underlined, bold italians

I'm taking quite a risk here.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at February 28, 2014 07:49 AM (ZALPg)

260 The chip is carried by the student, apparently on a volunteer basis. Is carrying it required for access? That is, can the student get in and out without it? Are records kept at each entrance? At every bottleneck the student must walk through to get access?
Are the records kept confidential? Are they limited to active investigations? Are the records shared with police agencies?
This is vague. But if you require a magnetic strip to open doors, just as intrusive a database can be kept.

Fascism is independent of the technology used.

Posted by: applebutter at February 28, 2014 07:51 AM (z3+Ae)

261 IIRC, in certain large rich important Dem-dominated PopuCentres a couple of decades back, it got hard as hell to buy cheap spray paint cans. Just saying.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 28, 2014 07:55 AM (xq1UY)

262 Just like all good mass murderers leave their guns behind when entering a "No Guns Allowed" area, any good vandal will remember to carry their proximity card.

Posted by: John T at February 28, 2014 08:07 AM (R2NDF)

263 Many hospitals have patients and doctors/nurses wear these, and everyones' whereabouts can be instantly seen on screens throughout the hospital. That's fine and all, but does this school think that anyone up to no good is going to keep this tracking device on their person when they commit said offense?

Posted by: beest at February 28, 2014 08:14 AM (MFuKa)

264 If it sounds like more than it is, remember that ProxiCards are usually tagged with the user's identity. Every time you swipe it to get through a door, a timestamp is recorded in a database with your name and the door you went through.

Posted by: Shane McGowan's Liver at February 28, 2014 08:18 AM (s/Q41)

265 I use a ProxiCard every day to access my office and use the elevator to get to my floor. When I was at the University of Georgia (Go DAWGS) we used bio-metrics to access all kinds of fun stuff (Been to Disney lately?). This kind of thing is old news/old tech.

Posted by: Eric at February 28, 2014 08:42 AM (HTTkX)

266 A little Irish democracy:  Everyone start trading their cards.

Posted by: GlobalTrvlr at March 01, 2014 03:29 AM (wnMm5)

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