April 30, 2015

Republicans: Block This Corker Bill Immediately
— Ace

Rubio's offering some bullshit amendments designed to make him appear Strong On Defense but he's just part of Failure Theater like the rest of them.

Without this bill, Obama needs 67 votes to approve the Iran treaty.

With the bill, the treaty is presumptively approved, and it takes 67 votes to disapprove of the treaty.

And this is Corker's way of showing he's "standing up to Obama."

How? By performing analingus on him?

This is just the latest insult from the Republican Party. All their bullshit is designed to trick conservatives into thinking they're taking a stance, when in fact they're voting with the Democrats.

If Corker has good reasons why this treaty should be passed -- and it's plain that he's a fan, because he's making up yet more Fake Opposition to pass it -- he should say so.

We could have an argument about it.

Maybe Corker has good reasons for wanting this treaty passed. Maybe, if I heard those reasons, I'd agree that it should be passed.

But Corker and McConnell fundamentally despise and disrespect Republican voters. That is why they never have an honest talk with us. They never explain "This is why we're retroactively approving Obama's executive amnesty. Do you agree with our reasons?"

No, they lie, they pretend they're opposed to it, and they stage productions of Failure Theater to trick conservatives into thinking they're opposing it -- but are just being outfoxed, by gum! -- when in fact they've voted in advance to lose on the issue.

They think conservatives are unreasonable, emotional, unthinking racist monsters, just like MSNBC does.

Because if they had the least respect for us, they'd explain their reasons for disagreeing with us, rather than tricking us, yet again, like we're a pack of unruly Retarded Children who must be tricked into going to the doctor.

Corker's bill does not impose limits on Obama; Corker's bill does not oppose the Iran treaty.

Corker's bill is a nasty trick to once again allow Republican officeholders pretend at opposing Obama, when they're just creating convoluted mechanisms to permit them to appear to be voting against him, when they're actually voting against him.

Without the Corker bill, Obama would need 67 Senate votes to pass his treaty. The treaty dies without the Corker bill.

With the Corker bill, Obama needs only 34 Senate votes to keep his treaty -- which is actually passed, beforehand, by the Corker bill.

The treaty passes into law with the Corker bill.

But Corker, McConnell, and the rest of the traitors will Lie To Your Fucking Face that they "did their best" when, once again, another Obama measure is passed by the Senate.

But by gum! They did their best. They fought so hard but they just couldn't do it.

Here's how you actually defeat Obama's treaty:

1. You scrap the Corker bill, which approves of the treaty, then requires a supermajority of 67 to block it it. (Something which will fail.)

2. Then, you vote against the treaty.

Simple, isn't it? You just vote against the treaty. You don't create a convoluted process where you first vote for the treaty and then later vote against it -- but oh darn! That first vote was the important one!

Failed again!

The fuck with these people.

They are lying to us, they are corrupt as the worst whores of hell, and they are leading this country into destruction.

Do not go gently on this Corker bill.

Raise Hell.

Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER.

Posted by: Ace at 09:48 AM | Comments (626)
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1 yeah right

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:50 AM (AkOaV)

2 oh, first for me. Not going to lie, didnt read it yet though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:50 AM (AkOaV)

3 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)

4 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 09:50 AM (kff5f)

5 How? By performing analingus on him? Well, he is sort of a monkey

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 09:51 AM (dJWs0)

6 I did read it.... and ace's use of the word "motherfuckers" as a noun is delicious.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 09:51 AM (fLKzW)

7 Fuck these Senators in particular.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (h4vJk)

8 So the GOPe is the same as a dem.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (uhftQ)

9 These clowns put so much effort into constructing elaborate Potemkin villages! And they are lies, all of them. Why, it's almost as if they know the voters would go batshit crazy so they do these pretzel logic kinds of deceptions to hide the truth.

Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (LISuA)

10 trick conservatives into thinking they're taking a stance, when in fact they're voting with the Democrats. Posted by: Ace at 02:48 PM Okay, read it. ace, do you really think we're the intended audience for their kabuki? Conservatives, that is? I mean, we seem to see right through their shit. I think this is more aimed at the establishment types, LIVs, and Fox News viewers. You know, the people who brought us Romney.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (AkOaV)

11

And this is Corker's way of showing he's "standing up to Obama."

How? By performing analingus on him?

Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (/eTPT)

12 and ace's use of the word "motherfuckers" as a noun is delicious. Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 02:51 PM (fLKzW) ...and nutritious.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 09:52 AM (dJWs0)

13 *types* *deletes* I like it here, I don't want to get banned.

Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (U8sWC)

14

These people make me seem sane.

Posted by: Bernie the Bolshie at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (Spluw)

15

And this is Corker's way of showing he's "standing up to Obama."

How? By performing analingus on him?

---

 

who could possibly be short enough to stand up and so that at the same time???

Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (/eTPT)

16 Keep voting rubes

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (SyKbw)

17 Seriously? So this crap of a treaty could pass? Well fuck that...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (Bn6aD)

18 Why do I feel the need to see Mr. Corker?

Posted by: George Michaels at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (uhftQ)

19 im not sure he stating how he really feels...i think he may be holding something back...

Posted by: sound awake at April 30, 2015 09:53 AM (X3/E7)

20 I like the way Ace has gone from a, "Hey, you guys lighten up and stop all the wingnut talk." guy to, "Yes we have petrol inside the walls but we will leave you to the Rovers unless you have skills or something to trade."

Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (NHtMs)

21 I feel the same way Ace. These ass clowns can all die in a fire for all I care.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (Xr3y2)

22 Fcuk the GOPe in particular.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (7ObY1)

23 They think conservatives are unreasonable, emotional, unthinking racist monsters Who you callin' "unthinking"???????

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (Txrlv)

24 I'll bet I could solve Rubio's pubes in under two minutes.

Posted by: Barney Frank at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (3F6F8)

25 At what point does the GOP become so disreputable that people no longer care?

Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (qYXyZ)

26 "Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER." They're politicians. I don't think they can comprehend a world without lies. It is past their understanding and is scary. Probably triggering.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 09:54 AM (hLRSq)

27 also, I cant' get the rage meter up any more. They've done this same. exact. shit. how many times now? How many times have they passed something, claiming it did the opposite of what it really did? Like that whole CRomnibus fiasco right after the elections (but before the new class was sworn in). That was supposed to set up the "defund Obama's executive amnesty" hill, which the R's promised during campaign season they were going to die on. Then, you know, a few months later... time to move on. Anyone paying attention sees what their doing, which is why they must either think we're really fucking dumb, or they are aiming their kabuki at another audience (like R LIVs and GOPe types)

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (AkOaV)

28 Shut up!

I have a really rough tongue, that analingus is going to hurt. Especially if Obama has hemoroids. I'm bringing the pain muthfuckas!

Posted by: Bob Corker at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (TV9BR)

29 Motherforking corksucker

Posted by: That Guy From Johnny Dangerously! at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (27KAF)

30 At what point does the GOP become so disreputable that people no longer care? Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (qYXyZ) January 20, 2009

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (dJWs0)

31 I met a Jebbie the other day. He was as insulated in his self-regard as any hardcore Socialist. They can all go to hell for all I care.

Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (mypP6)

32 I just can't give any fucks anymore.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (/5wbV)

33 Congressional pay raises. They used to have to vote for a pay raise for themselves. They changed it so the raises are automatic unless voted down. Now when they get a raise they can say, "Hey! I didn't vote for it!"

Posted by: davidt at April 30, 2015 09:55 AM (/+zDJ)

34 Yeah... Franken and Klobachar will listen.

Posted by: johnd01 at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (ukNFU)

35 I just can't give any fucks anymore. Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 02:55 PM (/5wbV) Whoa, let's not be too hasty here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (dJWs0)

36 Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER. ___________________ Amen.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (lmdHn)

37 Because of Bush's policies the earth is now confused from his man-made global warming that the earth is trying to reverse the Bush disaster by cooling itself. That makes sense to us in Brattleboro.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (Sd++4)

38 The Corker bill is unconstitutional. It is attempting to circumvent the Constitutional requirement that the Senate Ratify a treaty. This is not just failure theater, this is an active attempt to further degrade our Constitutional protections.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (kff5f)

39 I'd take the deal, then crawfish and drill President Boyfriend in the ass.

Posted by: Curly Bill at April 30, 2015 09:56 AM (5npD/)

40 who could possibly be short enough to stand up and so that at the same time??? Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (/eTPT) *types* *deletes*

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (2Ojst)

41 Anyone know the GPS coordinates for Galt's Gulch?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (7ObY1)

42 Oh, the Jebbie was a big, big fan of earmarks. Big spender. No difference between him and the Dems. None.

Posted by: Feh at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (mypP6)

43 Aren't we all glad that we worked so hard to send Rock Ribbed Conservative Firebrands to Congress. I am sure they will get around to cleaning up their mess..... Soon...... Hopefully....... really.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (fLKzW)

44 Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 02:54 PM (NHtMs) Yeah, I mean it wasn't that long ago that ace, most cobs, and a lot of commenters were calling me (well, people who think / vote the way I do, not me specifically) extremists and nutjobs and whatnot. Now ace is more to the "fuck the GOPe, the horse they road in on, and everyone who looks like them" side of things then I am. Which I didn't think was possible. But good for ace, I like it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (AkOaV)

45 Can someone explain to me why AIPAC is supporting this bill? Seriously, I don't get why the most vocal and powerful pro-Israel lobby would be for this bill. I must be missing something.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 09:57 AM (g1DWB)

46 Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1) I do, but I'm not going to tell you until you listen to a 47 hour monologue.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (AkOaV)

47 who could possibly be short enough to stand up and so that at the same time??? Posted by: donald trump at April 30, 2015 02:53 PM (/eTPT) *types* *deletes* Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (2Ojst) A wise choice.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (dJWs0)

48 I just can't give any fucks anymore.
Posted by: NCKate


If there's a Mr. NCKate, he's going to be disappointed.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (/Ho8c)

49

This kind of proves the stupid party label.

 

The   GOP must    really think we are    that stupid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (ZkzmI)

50 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (g1DW maybe they're the ones this kabuki is aimed at. good point.... the AIPAC / Adelson wing of the establishment... hmm....

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (AkOaV)

51 They think conservatives are unreasonable, emotional, unthinking racist monsters, just like MSNBC does. I think the Tad Cochran runoff bullshit supported by McConnell solidified this for me more than anything else in my lifetime.

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (AoLFQ)

52 Corker is and always has been a RINO.  His current rating is 64 which is firmly in RINO territory.  And the question is, how can they pass a treaty with less than 2/3 of the Senate voting for it?


Obama says he can do it as a deal between him and Iran.  Well, a few short years ago we called the "deals" treaties.  What I said originally on this happy horseshit was somebody need to present this directly to the Supreme Court under a writ of mandamus to force OBama to obey the law of the land and to define the difference between a "deal" and a "treaty".


But what really needs to happen is for Congress to impeach this lawless shitbag.  But that is "off the table".



We have no opposition party and Corker is just a glaring example of that.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at April 30, 2015 09:58 AM (wlDny)

53 >>And this is Corker's way of showing he's "standing up to Obama."

How? By performing analingus on him?

 

Well, I have to. Mitch is all over his dick and Boehner won't get Barry's balls out of his mouth.

Posted by: Sen Corker at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (b3p08)

54

The best Far Side cartoon ever:

Jeopardy game - contestants are Einstein, Edison, and Jones


Score: Einstein - 35000, Edison - 29500, Jones - negative 100


Jones: "I realize the game is almost over, but just for the record, I don't think my buzzer was working properly".

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (ZkzmI)

55 Oh FFS, there was even a bill that says "this deal will be considered an Article II treaty" (requiring the 67 votes) and the R's didn't pass that. What fuckups.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (HDwDg)

56 According to marinetraffic-dot-com Maersk Tigris is still at anchor.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (hLRSq)

57 AllenG pretty well covered it all at comment 4.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (/Ho8c)

58 46 Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 02:57 PM (7ObY1) I do, but I'm not going to tell you until you listen to a 47 hour monologue. Oh, man. I don't think I can do it. How about I promise to work for Rearden Steel instead?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (7ObY1)

59 Did someone say MANdamus?

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 30, 2015 09:59 AM (27KAF)

60 My New Handle is ????? An old regular? I am not around much anymore and I lose track of who's who.

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (fLKzW)

61

They're all about protecting themselves. Some of us realized that when we watched the GOP go batshit crazy in Delaware in 2010.

 

When the Stupid party adopted the exact same language as the MFM/Dems against the tea party.

 

When they rewarded Coke bear for rebelling against the primary result.

When they attacked their own voters to drag Thad Cochran over the line.

When they insisted that voters ignore the doctor in Kansas and instead protect the incumbent who didn't even bother to maintain a mailbox in the state he's supposedly representing.

 

And after all that, they're repeatedly throwing away the numerical advantage they were suppoedly working toward.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (Spluw)

62 Second question, given Obama's proclivity for doing things through Executive Orders and circumventing normal procedures, who really thinks Obama was going to present this to Congress as a treaty?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (g1DWB)

63 "they are corrupt as the worst whores of hell"

More corrupt than Nancy Pelosi?  The hell you say!

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (vg8iE)

64 I'm really enjoying the Otter legislature.

Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (l2max)

65 The GOP must really think we are that stupid.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 02:58 PM (ZkzmI)


they don't think, they know because people who vote GOP really are that fucking retarded

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 10:00 AM (SyKbw)

66 Lauren posted the Texas Declaration of Independence. I've been calling for secession a long time. But to follow the form why cannot Texas and 25-30 other states jointly bring a 10th Amendment suit on the Federales. Make SCOTUS make it official: We have no right to representative government. Fuck a bunch of senators.

Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 10:01 AM (U8sWC)

67 Are there any Senators standing up and calling a spade a spade?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (/eTPT)

68 I think the lack of an opposition party has really accelerated the insanity we see in modern culture. In some ways, culture responds to politics as much as politics responds to culture. With no politician defending conservative ideas, with the party having abandoned them, it's no wonder the culture has gone so far left and is continuing in that direction. Who is doing anything besides fundraising in the GOP?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (jD6zl)

69 Well, the citizens did elect a clusterfuck in chief 2 x,
So anything is possible..

Posted by: Mickey Lolich at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (/WmRg)

70 I'm not of the opinion that they won't give us their reasons because they think we are Retarded Children.  I believe they put on the puppet show because they know their real reasons are corrupt.

Posted by: WatingForMartel at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (BYSrJ)

71 Really, we have nothing to fear about Obama's agreement with Iran, because Iran isn't going to agree to anything Obama proposes.

Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (qYXyZ)

72 I'm a little surprised at the hate against Rubio. Especially since Allahdouchepit's rationale, if you can call it that. is that this is theater and destined to fail.

He really never misses an opportunity to embarrass himself.

Really? So Rubio's basically injecting some perspective, showing the hypocrisy, uncovering the ulterior motives at work and he get's the hate.

Got it.

Look, the buffoons at HA might have a hard on for Rubio-hate. But it's becoming a little tiresome to read bullshit in two places. 

Posted by: Marcus T at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (GGCsk)

73 This is not just failure theater, this is an active attempt to further degrade our Constitutional protections. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 02:56 PM (kff5f) "Deemed passed" is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (HDwDg)

74 My conservative friends, you have nothing to fear with a republican congress.

Posted by: John McCain, Card Carring Maverick at April 30, 2015 10:02 AM (TV9BR)

75 BUT TODD AKIN, YOU GUYS!!!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress[/i] [/b] at April 30, 2015 10:03 AM (KhFZp)

76 "they are corrupt as the worst whores of hell" "You'll be hearing from my lawyers, pal." - Lucifer

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:03 AM (hLRSq)

77 Who cares what Allahpander says. And that goes for Jazzhands Shaw as well.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 10:03 AM (7ObY1)

78 I guess the *F*bomb ban is officially over, eh?

Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 10:04 AM (/pOl7)

79 Remember when the GOP decided to passed a law ceding the power over the debt ceiling to Obama, but they retained the right to overturn it with a supermajority vote so they could all point to their meaningless votes against Obama and them irresponsible spendaholic Dems? When your aim is to support the Left, might as well go with what works.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 30, 2015 10:04 AM (D5hxK)

80 75 BUT TODD AKIN, YOU GUYS!!!!!! What Todd Akin said was far less repugnant than what the average tumblrite SJW says. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 10:04 AM (jD6zl)

81 *Googles "analingus"...*

...

Yup. That's the GOP, all right.

Posted by: Kensington at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (7Kbxu)

82 Eat my shorts, America.

Posted by: Sen. Bart Simpson (R) at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (MYPM9)

83 Remember Me?

Posted by: Comprehensive POS at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (NUCTk)

84 And you guys think I'm stupid.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (TV9BR)

85 They're politicians. I don't think they can comprehend a world without lies. It is past their understanding and is scary. I came from a political family. Looking me straight in the eyes and lying to my face was something my father did to me for 40 years until one of his lies cost me 150k and nearly my marriage and I finally said, 'Get the fuck out my house'. Last time I saw him alive. Didn't even go to his funeral. Politicians don't even see it as lying, but it's a serious pathology.

Posted by: Emotional Protestor [/i] at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (xQX/f)

86

Hey, I was told by my betters in the majority half of the bipartisan Party-In-Government that if we just sacrificed Zion, we would be killed last.

 

And in the meantime, we'll still get to go to the cool DC cocktail parties.

Posted by: The Dishonorable Sen. Bob Corker at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (cL79m)

87 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 03:02 PM (jD6zl) They (the GOP politicians and inside the beltway types) are not ideological. They are political.... but there's no "I want to go to DC because I believe in the Constitution, and I believe in liberty and " whatever fire in their belly. It's "which party can I run in, based on my current geographic location, that will give me the best shot of winning a seat in DC and getting to be the one filling the trough so that my cronies, donors, and family can get rich from my influence and I can stack up enough chips in the influence and power bank to get fabulously wealthy when I retire?" That's who they are. They don't give a fuck about their constituents beyond getting their votes and donations. DC isn't about "changing things" to them. Even the ones who may want to change things know they can't do shit. So they go to get rich and powerful off the backs of the taxpayers. Because fuck it, that's what everyone else in DC and the surrounding areas does, so why not?

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (AkOaV)

88 At least when you buy a Clinton, they stay bought.
 
Senate shitweasels, on the other hand...

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 30, 2015 10:05 AM (0DeYj)

89 In a sane world, the decision chart for these things should be:

Muslim Country -> Yes -> No Treaties, No 'Agreements'

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (27KAF)

90 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (TV9BR)

91 Forget it. Let's all just move to Costa Rica. We can become a cult. :0

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (iQIUe)

92 If Rubio or Cruz were of any value, they'd leave the GOP. It's just more theatre.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (jD6zl)

93 Bush lied to Iran for eight years and this is why they are doing it. Presdent Obama is trying cleanup the Bush mess and all you can do is call people names and lie. Bush lied and you never had a problem. Brattleboro is proud of our Presdent and Furst lady of Colora nd the Iran people know this and would not do anything to hurt our Presdent of Color. They don't want the world to perceive them in Iran as racists and bigots.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (Sd++4)

94 At what point does the GOP become so disreputable that people no longer care? For me it happened in 2006 when Liz Dole and the RNC pumped in millions to save Linc Chaffee's RINO turncoat arse.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (O7MnT)

95 Posted by: Emotional Protestor at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (xQX/f) yikes.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (AkOaV)

96 Posted by: Kensington at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (7Kbxu) Shot: *Googles "analingus"...* Chaser: http://tinyurl.com/7f324ta

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 10:06 AM (dJWs0)

97
Ron Johnsons amendment to have the Iran deal treated as a treaty for constitutional purposes, which would require two-thirds approval, just as Article II demands, failed miserably two days ago, 39/54.

NAYs

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Capito (R-WV)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Ernst (R-IA)
Flake (R-AZ)
Hatch (R-UT)
Isakson (R-GA)
McCain (R-AZ)
Perdue (R-GA)

Not Voting

Cruz (R-LCF)
Graham (R-SC)
Rubio (R-FL)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2015 10:07 AM (kdS6q)

98 >>Miss me yet?

Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid

 

No.

Posted by: Little Tommy at April 30, 2015 10:07 AM (b3p08)

99 Forget it. Let's all just move to Costa Rica. We can become a cult. :0 Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 03:06 PM (iQIUe) Note to self: Go long on Kool-Aid futures

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 10:07 AM (dJWs0)

100 Not . The hill.

You know the rest.

Posted by: GOP/e [/i] [/b] at April 30, 2015 10:07 AM (NUCTk)

101 Hey, remember in 2010 when the GOP promised to cut 100 billion from the budget? Lol!

Posted by: DangerGirl at April 30, 2015 10:08 AM (AoLFQ)

102 Upside, the Senate or Congress can't vote away Senate's treaty power. Downside. No one will have standing to sue. Sad Trombone: Nuked Israel will be blamed on GOP anyway.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 10:08 AM (qyobn)

103 Every time I go work on my local Congressman's campaign staff computers, they are watching CNN. I was in there one day when Rick Perry was on and the head of staff shouted "I'd wish he'd just shut up." My donations to him stopped after that. I really think they believe they are better than the rest of us. I wonder if Cornyn feels any responsibility for his confirmation vote for Hillary. Those people don't give a shit about us. They'll string the Hillary dog and pony show along so they can send out more "Stop Hillary" emails and donation requests.

Posted by: ryukyu at April 30, 2015 10:08 AM (j29PP)

104 Exactly - why can't everyone simply read the treaty (has anyone read the Iran deal?) and then vote yay or nay?  This is why people hate Washington and it makes it so much easier for people to blame republicans when we can't just do things in a normal fashion. 

I am convinced all of these republican senators have been shown their NSA file and told to get in line.  Otherwise, I cannot imagine the rationale for what they are currently doing.


Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 10:08 AM (a+WIL)

105 >>Miss me yet?

Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid

 

Me neither.

Posted by: Little Tommy's Anus at April 30, 2015 10:09 AM (b3p08)

106 Do we have any Nancy Pelosi quotes about the troubles in Baltimore?

Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 10:09 AM (qYXyZ)

107 What Todd Akin said was far less repugnant than what the average tumblrite SJW says. Let that sink in. Todd Akin, as a sitting congressman, was also the GOP Establishment candidate in the primary. The two people he defeated both were supported by Tea Party factions, but not Akin. The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 10:09 AM (O7MnT)

108 > "You'll be hearing from my lawyers, pal." - Lucifer

And believe me, he's got 'em all!

Posted by: WatingForMartel at April 30, 2015 10:09 AM (BYSrJ)

109 the behavior of GOP leadership is puzzling. Life lesson any GOP leader should know by now: The MSM4DNC fucking hates you. Embrace the hate and do the right thing. You will not make friends.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 10:09 AM (qyobn)

110 Do we have any Nancy Pelosi quotes about the troubles in Baltimore? Booooooooossshhh!!!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (dJWs0)

111 Republican voters: BOHICA!

Posted by: GOP Leadership at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (Lqb+9)

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (dJWs0)

113 Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 03:04 PM (/pOl7) No, as ace said from the beginning, f words are okay, but only when not used superfluously. Of which I am guilty. Dropping those f bombs like it's 1999. Working on it though.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (AkOaV)

114 Baltimore was created by Bush and his policies towards persons of color and persons of some color by persons of no color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (Sd++4)

115 Roh roh

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (dJWs0)

116

At least when you buy a Clinton, they stay bought.

 

Senate shitweasels, on the other hand...

 

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 30, 2015 03:05 PM (0DeYj)

 

Really?

Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown at April 30, 2015 10:10 AM (cL79m)

117 I'm pretty sure that as a binding treaty, they still need a 2/3rd majority, under the Constitution. Otherwise, I don't see any reason that the people have to consider it "duly ratified".

Posted by: Axeman at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (2mC6G)

118 Ernst (R-IA) That didn't take long for her to go native.

Posted by: @JohnTant` at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (eytER)

119 We are to the point now where 100 Billion is now a rounding error. I remember when 100 Bill was REAL money

Posted by: Truck Monkey is a Mime..... Serious at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (fLKzW)

120 O/T. From the willow end of last thread. Because I'm a giver. http://bit.ly/1biTQEu

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (Wv9Ra)

121 Coming pretty close to a Logan Act violation there, old boy.

Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (5npD/)

122 >>> Cruz (R-LCF) What's that?

Posted by: Dave, pantless in Texas at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (U8sWC)

123 I've got nothing on Pelosi's after-spunk.

Posted by: The Barrel at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (cL79m)

124

Miss me yet?
Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid

----

nope

Posted by: elastic exercise band at April 30, 2015 10:11 AM (/eTPT)

125

The GOP as a party looks to hold majorities only to the extent that it    gives them committee chairs who attract larger checks from lobbyists.  The GOP as individual members merely look for the greatest number of bribes they can collect.  Actual legislation or constitutional rights are meaningless to them unless there is a payoff to their bank account involved.

 

Am I saying that virtually every member of congress is accepting bribes?  Damn right I am - that is their whole purpose in    being in DC.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (ZkzmI)

126 >>Exactly - why can't everyone simply read the treaty (has anyone read the Iran deal?) and then vote yay or nay? This is why people hate Washington and it makes it so much easier for people to blame republicans when we can't just do things in a normal fashion I know I'm going to get heat for this but Team Obama stated loudly and repeatedly around the beginning of the year that this was NOT a treaty and he therefore did not need Congressional review. I ask again, given Obama's track record, why would anyone think he would go to Congress with this instead of just signing an EO?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (g1DWB)

127 The GOPe making me look good.

Posted by: Explosive Diarrhea at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (TV9BR)

128 "Shot: *Googles "analingus"...*

Chaser: http://tinyurl.com/7f324ta"

-----

And there's our nominee...

Posted by: Kensington at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (7Kbxu)

129 Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (qyobn) Do they though? I mean, they pretend to hate each other, yet they all sit around drinking cocktails at the same WH correspondents dinner after parties. And "charity" events. And "small intimate gatherings". And then we have Boehner and co coming out saying, "hey guys... Clintons are good people." I'm just saying, I think the media and Dem hate for the GOPe is... exaggerated for effect. Just like the GOPe's dislike for Obama and his policies is much more... words then actions

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (AkOaV)

130 No, as ace said from the beginning, f words are okay, but only when not used superfluously.

Of which I am guilty. Dropping those f bombs like it's 1999.

Working on it though.

I thought it had something to do with attracting classier advertisers, or some such thing.  Oh well, bombs away!

Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (/pOl7)

131 I just got back, so after skimming the article I'm pissed and want to march against the republicans in office. Only I want to break shit and steal big screen TV's and tennis shoes too. I'm going to check that family tree thing one more time to see if this isn't hereditary.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (9ZZd+)

132 When the media really hates someone, they Sarah Palin them. They don't do that to the GOPe.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (AkOaV)

133

Ron Johnsons amendment to have the Iran deal treated as a treaty for constitutional purposes, which would require two-thirds approval, just as Article II demands, failed miserably two days ago, 39/54.

----

And Ron Johnson is right

 

Posted by: Howard Johnson at April 30, 2015 10:12 AM (/eTPT)

134 > "You'll be hearing from my lawyers, pal." - Lucifer And believe me, he's got 'em all! ------ I knew an honest lawyer. He quit the lawyerin' this year and now works as a roofer. He's much happier.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (MYPM9)

135

I don't think I've ever seen an Iranian panhandler.

Posted by: Sen Ted Cruz (R-LCF)

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (kdS6q)

136 OK, what the f*'ng f*k does superfluously mean?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (TPjwz)

137 Guys vote for me, that way you know I'm lying, not a part timer like those R's....

Posted by: The Hillary at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (W6iIX)

138 That's what makes it all the more insane, JackStraw.

Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (5npD/)

139

 

hillary clinton is very beatable and republicans will fuck it up with this shit.if they don't defeat this i will vote a straight democratic ticket for in the next election.

Posted by: kj at April 30, 2015 10:13 AM (lKyWE)

140

Todd Akin, as a sitting congressman, was also the GOP Establishment candidate in the primary. The two people he defeated both were supported by Tea Party factions, but not Akin.

 

The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot."

 

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (O7MnT)

 

Ahem - Akin was the third wheel, supported by Huck-and-Shuck. The Missouri GOP establishment wanted him out at least as badly as the Palin wing.

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (cL79m)

141 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (ZkzmI) Correct. Dem and GOP pols only go to DC to get rich. Call it bribes, or "favors" or um... whatever. But that's the point of becoming a politician.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (AkOaV)

142 A tech question perhaps someone could help me with. I removed the hard drive from my home server, then inadvertently ran over it with a large armored plated vehicle, then tried to open it up to check if it was okay, and all I could find was a ball peen hammer. Is the data recoverable?

Posted by: HRC [/i] at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (xQX/f)

143 the behavior of GOP leadership is puzzling.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (qyobn)


it's not puzzling, they know that people are too stupid to change their voting habits no matter how many times they fall for lip service

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (SyKbw)

144 How? By performing analingus on him? Hey, it's not just for breakfast anymore!

Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (FcR7P)

145 When the media really hates someone, they Sarah Palin them.

They don't do that to the GOPe.

Posted by: mynewhandle

 

Until they run against a dem, like McCain in 2008. he was their darling maverick rethuglickkkkkkkkan before that.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (Spluw)

146 Wasn't Ernst supposed to be the big tea-party hope in Iowa? And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 10:14 AM (Rxqe9)

147 Tiger  on the loose  in  OKC zoo.  Hope  he eats a few of those fucking monkeys.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (/HX7u)

148 I want to thank Presdent Obama for keeping this mess straight and for dealing with the difficult problems unlike that idiot Bush !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (Sd++4)

149 Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 03:13 PM (TPjwz) it's like when you get a really bad cold. Super Flu ously.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (AkOaV)

150 http://tinyurl.com/8rn8jzu SFW

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (sgrzZ)

151 Tiger on the loose in OKC zoo. Hope he eats a few of those fucking monkeys. Who is fvcking monkeys at the zoo?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (Wv9Ra)

152 What are you gonna do? Throw your vote away?

Posted by: Chupacabras at April 30, 2015 10:15 AM (5npD/)

153 Posted by: HRC at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (xQX/f) Definitely. Just be sure to run it by a few big magnets first. Helps with the hard drives chakra. Ask AlGore, he can explain how that works.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (AkOaV)

154 A tech question perhaps someone could help me with. I removed the hard drive from my home server, then inadvertently ran over it with a large armored plated vehicle, then tried to open it up to check if it was okay, and all I could find was a ball peen hammer.

Is the data recoverable?

Sorry Dear, you need a big fucking magnet to remove that data.  It's still there.  Tell you what, bring it on over and we'll take care of it for you.

Posted by: Wind Breaker at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (/pOl7)

155 Someone's going to do a caricature of Cruz and Rubio dressed up like janitors sleeping in the House stairwell. It will be extremely racist (apologies in advance to our 'Moronos'). And funny, and true.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (Rxqe9)

156

Wasn't Ernst supposed to be the big tea-party hope in Iowa?

 

And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular.

 

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Rxqe9)

 

IIRC, Ernst was Establishment all the way.

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (cL79m)

157

Do you want to know why the GOP never actually follows through with their campaign promises?  There's no    financial     payoff for them.

 

The dems campaign on handing out more taxpayer dollars to every constituent group, then get kickbacks from the groups and a couple of family members or legacies on the payroll.  All the GOP    can do is cut taxes,  if there are actual spending cuts, their bribe channels are narrowed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (ZkzmI)

158 OK, calm down, HRC, you say you opened your hard drive and there was a ball peen hammer inside? Did you really say "peen?"

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 10:16 AM (TPjwz)

159 superfluously "Superfluous" unnecessary, especially through being more than enough "-ly" is a suffix which changes an adjective to an adverb.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (kff5f)

160 That lovely little beach cottage in Peruvia is starting to look really good about now. This place's center is not holding.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (NHtMs)

161 I ask again, given Obama's track record, why would anyone think he would go to Congress with this instead of just signing an EO? Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (g1DWB) Oh sure, try using that Jedi mind-stuff! Well let me tell you that it doesn't work on me!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (hLRSq)

162

Tiger on the loose in OKC zoo.

 

 

Whoopsie   daisies.

Posted by: eleven at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (IPzoI)

163 So wait wait wait - what you are saying is that if you want to do a thing, you just do that thing, and then its done?

Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (kGsA2)

164 Five reasons why the senate is explicitly banned from reviewing treaties made by our first black president....

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at April 30, 2015 10:17 AM (TV9BR)

165 So wait wait wait - what you are saying is that if you want to do a thing, you just do that thing, and then its done? Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 03:17 PM (kGsA2) Or you can "deem" it done.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:18 AM (dJWs0)

166 Ahem. This is something about which I (and BC) rant in our latest podcast. Ahem. Stop. Fucking. Lying. To. My. Face. And. Then. Get. Mad. When. I. Point. That. Out. Seriously. No, seriously. It's SJW levels of pathetic bitchery to tell me that I'm the one who is a childish and just doesn't understand how things work when I get righteously furious about the face lying. Yeah. Because, you know, nothing says mature, reasonable adult like supporting the utter abdication of Constitutional checks and balances on the Executive. So adult. Much mature.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:18 AM (mf5HN)

167 I deem my taxes paid for 2015.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 10:18 AM (MYPM9)

168 There's no financial payoff for them. There could be, if they just un-strangle business and energy in this country.

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2015 10:18 AM (FcR7P)

169 Posted by: Howard Johnson at April 30, 2015 03:12 PM (/eTPT) You don't need to pass a law to tell Congress and the President to follow the supreme law of the land. The constitution says you need 2/3s of the senate for any treaty. Obama said "f that." No senate resolution is going to change that. Obama announced his plan to ignore the constitution. If the R's were as upset as they pretend to be, they'd say "fine, do whatever you want Obama. But this is not a treaty, its not worth the paper its (not) written on, you are not negotiating in good faith on behalf of the American people, and we will shut down the government for the next year and a half if you try to illegal unilaterally lift sanctions that Congress instituted." But they're not, so they just pretend.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:19 AM (AkOaV)

170 Five reasons why the senate is explicitly banned from reviewing treaties made by our first black president.... Posted by: Matt Yglesias Speaking of which.... As often as Klein and Yglesias are embarrassingly wrong - and yet keep writing - does anyone know the name of the drug they take that removes all sense of shame? Gotta get me summa dat

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:19 AM (dJWs0)

171 Thanks AllenG but changing adjectives to adverbs is just .... not right.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at April 30, 2015 10:19 AM (TPjwz)

172 Corker's deal is what you get when you're too embarrassed to elect people like Palin to office.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (9ZZd+)

173

I deem my taxes paid for 2015.

 

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (MYPM9)

 

We deem you haven't, and our guns are bigger and more numerous than yours.

Posted by: The IRS at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (cL79m)

174

OK, what the f*'ng f*k does superfluously mean?

----

Just keep it out of my drinking water

Posted by: Gen J. RIpper at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (/eTPT)

175

I deem my taxes paid for 2015.

 

 

Mmmm......the  Snipes   Gambit.

 

It could work.....

Posted by: eleven at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (IPzoI)

176 Super Floss? Is this a call back to the earlier food blog thread?

Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (NHtMs)

177 Dear XXX,

Speaker Boehner and House Republicans are suing President Obama for his unconstitutional overreach and abuse of power.

This Imperial President's unprecedented disregard for the Constitution and desire for more power has reached a new low.

Obama has ignored and selectively enforced the law. And he has repeatedly created new laws unilaterally. It's unconstitutional - it must be stopped.

President Obama has:

    Unconstitutionally made radical changes to ObamaCare
    Unconstitutionally forced through job killing new EPA regulations on the American people
    Unconstitutionally increased what taxpayers pay to federal contractors
    Unconstitutionally waived the statutory work requirements for welfare
    Unconstitutionally created bureaucratic programs not authorized by Congress

It's time we stand up to President Obama-and it's time we stop his total disregard for the Constitution and rule of law.

The U.S. Constitution outright declares that the President "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Yet, President Obama has not.

That is why House Republicans are launching a lawsuit against President Obama. And we need you by our side.

Add your name today in support of House Republicans' lawsuit against President Obama.

Thank you,

Chuck DeFeo
RNC Deputy Chief of Staff

Posted by: real emails from your GOP at April 30, 2015 10:20 AM (NUCTk)

178

See, that's some fundamental tranformation right there.

 

bite me you 'clingers

Posted by: BHO at April 30, 2015 10:21 AM (W6iIX)

179

Just keep it out of my drinking water

 

Posted by: Gen J. RIpper at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (/eTPT)

 

And get me some grain alcohol.

Posted by: Gen. Jack D. Ripper at April 30, 2015 10:21 AM (cL79m)

180 Or you can "deem" it done. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (dJWs0) Cool, I deem my dissertation done. Maybe then I can get my happy life back

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:21 AM (HDwDg)

181

This place's center is not holding.

---

it's right over here now

 

Posted by: The Left at April 30, 2015 10:21 AM (/eTPT)

182 It's time we stand up to President Obama-and it's time we stop his total disregard for the Constitution and rule of law. Chuck DeFeo RNC Deputy Chief of Staff Sure is, Chuck. What's stopping you?

Posted by: The Entire Moron Horde [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:22 AM (dJWs0)

183 As often as Klein and Yglesias are embarrassingly wrong - and yet keep writing - does anyone know the name of the drug they take that removes all sense of shame? Tequila.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 10:22 AM (Wv9Ra)

184 Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 03:15 PM (/HX7u) So theres a Tiger on the lam(b)? Heh.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:22 AM (AkOaV)

185 As often as Klein and Yglesias are embarrassingly wrong - and yet keep writing - does anyone know the name of the drug they take that removes all sense of shame? Power

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:22 AM (sgrzZ)

186

Tiger on the loose in OKC zoo.

---

he must have really shanked the drive

Posted by: The Left at April 30, 2015 10:22 AM (/eTPT)

187 Cool, I deem my dissertation done. Maybe then I can get my happy life back Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:21 PM (HDwDg) I deem your wife a Burkean conservative. ::: looks around ::: Nope. Didn't work.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (dJWs0)

188

Sure is, Chuck.

 

What's stopping you?

 

Posted by: The Entire Moron Horde at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (dJWs0)

 

On behalf of the Horde, I'm dropping the mic.

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (cL79m)

189 You check Corker's saliva and you will find Huseins sperm.

Posted by: The roost aint what it used to be at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (7GI9v)

190 >126 I ask again, given Obama's track record, why would anyone think he would go to Congress with this instead of just signing an EO?

JackStraw: Of course he would just issue an EO and I guess that's my point:  We can't stop him from stupid and harmful executive orders (with these congress critters, anyway), but we sure as damn hell don't have to help him do it by taking some shit-show, smoke screen vote that just convolutes the issue and gives him cover without forcing him to use an EO on his own and without having an up/down vote on the "treaty".

Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (a+WIL)

191 What this country needs is more loose Tigers, and bears, and lions.

Posted by: Lyle Doughton at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (qYXyZ)

192 superfluously "Superfluous" unnecessary, especially through being more than enough "-ly" is a suffix which changes an adjective to an adverb. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon So in other words, the construction of "superfluously" is, inf act, superfluous?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (DT3rQ)

193 Republicans appear to care only about one thing:  how they appear on television.  Their strategy is to look good on MSNBC.

They are terrified, terrified beyond reason, of being called "racist."

That's why they never stand up to Obama.  "Why, why, he's black!!!  Can't you see that?  We cannot vote against a black man!!!"

They'll lose, and lose big, in 2016.  Won't get fooled again.

Posted by: Null at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (xjpRj)

194 140 Todd Akin, as a sitting congressman, was also the GOP Establishment candidate in the primary. The two people he defeated both were supported by Tea Party factions, but not Akin. The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot." Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 30, 2015 03:09 PM (O7MnT) Ahem - Akin was the third wheel, supported by Huck-and-Shuck. The Missouri GOP establishment wanted him out at least as badly as the Palin wing. Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (cL79m) There is truth in that. But notice how often he gets painted as a tea party candidate and never questioned. Oh but once you call him an establishment stooge they are very quick to play the "well he wasn't really either" game. And then the next day they'll be back to calling him tea party.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (z/Ubi)

195 >>That's what makes it all the more insane, JackStraw. With all due respect to ace, it's really not that insane. This bill, which is really the Menendez/Corker bill, was designed to force Obama to bring any proposed Iran deal to Congress because Obama had said he wouldn't. Now is this a good bill? Doesn't appear to be from what I've seen but if Obama does sign it then he will at least have to go to Congress with the deal. And if you don't think he would have just done it unilaterally without being forced then I've got some immigration and education laws to sell you.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:23 AM (g1DWB)

196 Tequila. Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:22 PM (Wv9Ra) Gotta get me summa dat. Which reminds me....the in-laws are coming in tomorrow for a week. Moar tequila!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:24 AM (dJWs0)

197 146 And there go Rubio and Cruz not showing up for important votes again. Fuck those two guys in particular. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 30, 2015 03:14 PM (Rxqe9) I am really starting to think that we are being played by Cruz.

Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 10:24 AM (zoehZ)

198 Could you not use the term "whores of hell"? I find it harsh and hurtful....

Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 10:24 AM (msAGT)

199 Posted by: real emails from your GOP at April 30, 2015 03:20 PM (NUCTk) oh, please. "launching a lawsuit." yeah. what ever happened to that lawsuit Boehner was super cereal about launching a year ago? The house as two remedies: impeachment controlling the purse strings (so, likely, government shutdown). Anything else is a lie to get your money and votes. And we know both those options are off the table. So stop insulting us.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:24 AM (AkOaV)

200 I deem my taxes paid for 2015. Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:18 PM (MYPM9) We deem you haven't, and our guns are bigger and more numerous than yours. Posted by: The IRS ------ We deem you have illegally stripped our client of due process and are investigating him solely based on his political activities. Let us now both rob our client blind and then, in two years, declare him innocent of all wrongdoing.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Tax Lawyers at April 30, 2015 10:24 AM (MYPM9)

201 Which reminds me....the in-laws are coming in tomorrow for a week. Moar tequila!!! Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (dJWs0) There is never enough for that.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (sgrzZ)

202 MoarMas tequila!!! Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (dJWs0) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQrbd0VWxBU

Posted by: Insomniac at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (2Ojst)

203 Posted by: rickl at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (zoehZ) I've felt that way about Cruz for a little while. He seems a little... I don't know. I can't put my finger on it. But I know there are people I respect who are all on board the Cruz train, so... I guess we'll have to see.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (AkOaV)

204 There is never enough for that. Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (sgrzZ) My MIL is a gem. My FIL....small doses are best, shall we say.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (dJWs0)

205 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:23 PM (dJWs0) I've gotten her to "I'm glad we go Sophie Baptized" and "Why the fuck would I vote for a Clinton?" I'll take that as a sign of progress

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (HDwDg)

206

As often as Klein and Yglesias are embarrassingly wrong - and yet keep writing - does anyone know the name of the drug they take that removes all sense of shame?

---

socialism, the opiate of the elitists

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2015 10:25 AM (/eTPT)

207 Honestly, I am more annoyed by Cruz's statement that there wasn't anything that he disagreed with more than the 47% comment.

How? HOW? The last election confirmed the 47% statement. He was dead on the money. He's into analytics. He's a numbers guy. He knows where the meat is on the bone and where it isn't.

My only disagreement is that the number is so low. I wouldn't say 47. I'd say 55.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at April 30, 2015 10:26 AM (RLFFI)

208 If the R's were as upset as they pretend to be, they'd say "fine, do whatever you want Obama. But this is not a treaty, its not worth the paper its (not) written on, you are not negotiating in good faith on behalf of the American people, and we will shut down the government for the next year and a half if you try to illegal unilaterally lift sanctions that Congress instituted."

But they're not, so they just pretend.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

I going to be bold as to say that this agreement (treaty?) isn't worth the paper it's printed on no matter what the congress or the preezy do.

 

Iran is the strong horse.  They'll do what they want.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 10:26 AM (/HX7u)

209 I've gotten her to "I'm glad we go Sophie Baptized" and "Why the fuck would I vote for a Clinton?" I'll take that as a sign of progress Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (HDwDg) Well, as long as she doesn't "debate" like dKos, that's also a good thing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:26 AM (dJWs0)

210 I am convinced all of these republican senators have been shown their NSA file and told to get in line. Otherwise, I cannot imagine the rationale for what they are currently doing. Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 03:08 PM (a+WIL) Because they are on that side and are just lying about it.

Posted by: Occam's Razor at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (Lqb+9)

211 Or you can "deem" it done. I remember when Dean and I were done. What a magnificent young boy. Oh, you said "deem''. Eyes aren't what they used to be. Damn Dean's father exercise band.

Posted by: Hairy Reid [/i] at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (xQX/f)

212 You know what we need? We need a man with the stiffness of a Boehner right here in the Senate.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (8ZskC)

213 I just sent Cornyn a nice but firm message that this type capitulation and manipulation of his constituents won't be tolerated.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (dBm7S)

214 Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER.
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[b[Hey guys, remember how you got all mad about Obamacare and then voted for Mitt Romney in 2012?

Yeah, we don't believe you.[/b]

Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (78TbK)

215 Fuck the GOPe...superfluously.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 10:27 AM (7ObY1)

216 My MIL is a gem. My FIL....small doses are best, shall we say. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:25 PM (dJWs0) Lol, my MIL last time she was here asked my why in the world I put up with my wife's (HER daughter) shit.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:28 AM (sgrzZ)

217 *raises hand* Polly would like a tiger.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:28 AM (mf5HN)

218 I just sent Cornyn a nice but firm message that this type capitulation and manipulation of his constituents won't be tolerated. Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:27 PM (dBm7S) Get your form letter back yet?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 10:28 AM (dJWs0)

219 Iran is the strong horse. ----- *tosses head* I thought that was me!

Posted by: John Kerry at April 30, 2015 10:28 AM (MYPM9)

220 Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (AkOaV) All of this. Sorry, JackStraw, I disagree with you. This bill is not merely "superfluous" (which has apparently become the Word Of The Day), it is actively damaging to the Constitution. If Obama issues an EO, it has no force once he's out of office. Which is exactly what Republicans said weeks ago. If the Republicans are really upset about it, they can shut the f*cker down because they control the purse strings. No money is spent and no taxes are raised without their say-so. If they're really *really* upset, they can impeach him. But this is bukkake theater. The point is not to stop Obama from doing a damn thing, it's to pretend they tried. Fuck that. Either oppose him, or support him. But be honest about it so I can make an honest decision about opposing or supporting *you.*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 10:28 AM (kff5f)

221 Did you guys ever hear the phrase, "Money Talks"? Well, think about it.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (8ZskC)

222 Maybe all of those conservatives/evangelicals/whatever that "sat out the election" just had their fill of it all. They're not coming back with a new candidate and a new favor of bs.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (63yKp)

223 I used to play guitar in Whores From Hell. I quit when they wanted me to switch to bass. I didn't have the calluses.

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (7ObY1)

224 Polly would like a tiger. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN) For Polly http://tinyurl.com/8rn8jzu

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (sgrzZ)

225 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 03:26 PM (dJWs0) She's firmly in two overlapping camps right now: 1) Why do I give a damn 2) Why isn't your dissertation done, get your ass back up stairs now before I start screaming and get the fuck to work.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (HDwDg)

226 Posted by: Tickled Pink at April 30, 2015 03:26 PM (RLFFI) 47% was the number of people in 2012 who were not paying income taxes. Not to beat this dead horse anymore, but all Romney said was "we're not going to sell a message of tax cuts to the 47% of the country who do not pay income taxes. They are takers, not makers, when its to be tax season." Which is inarguably true. His phrasing (I paraphrased, it was more awkward then that) was a little shitty, but mittbott 2012 and his "severely conservative" programming often had awkward rhetorical missteps. Not a big deal. Media made it a narrative.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:29 AM (AkOaV)

227 >>JackStraw: Of course he would just issue an EO and I guess that's my point: We can't stop him from stupid and harmful executive orders (with these congress critters, anyway), but we sure as damn hell don't have to help him do it by taking some shit-show, smoke screen vote that just convolutes the issue and gives him cover without forcing him to use an EO on his own and without having an up/down vote on the "treaty". That's valid. But I'm not nearly as convinced as some that if Obama comes back with a really shitty deal, he will, that a lot of Dems won't object. Menendez is the most vocal but not the only Dem who doesn't like this deal. And at least there is a shot this way. Otherwise, we were guaranteed to have Obama give Iran whatever they wanted.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:30 AM (g1DWB)

228 Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER. Posted by: Ace at 02:48 PM Uhh....Yeah we will. Why is this time any different? Is this the time we march on DC with arms? If not, then we will by all means continue to be lied to. Because there is absolutely nothing short of bearing arms against them and physically throwing them out of power that will cause these people to stop lying to us.

Posted by: Sambo at April 30, 2015 10:30 AM (OBy6g)

229 Next time you want to allow a post using Reagan's 11th commandment think about these ass holes in the Senate who call themselves Republicans.  It seems to me that in order to get rid of ass holes they must first be identified.  I do not know how to do that without calling them ass holes.

Posted by: Rich at April 30, 2015 10:30 AM (BcWH9)

230

We deem you have illegally stripped our client of due process and are investigating him solely based on his political activities.

 

Let us now both rob our client blind and then, in two years, declare him innocent of all wrongdoing.

 

Posted by: Turd Ferguson's Tax Lawyers at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (MYPM9)

 

We'll give you 40% and Mr. Ferguson will get a suspended felony conviction so he doesn't have to spend any time in Club Fed but can't ever be armed again.

Posted by: The IRS at April 30, 2015 10:31 AM (cL79m)

231 controlling the purse strings (so, likely, government shutdown).
***
Exhibit 1A on how the Republicans don't want to control Obama - no separate spending bills.

It is so farking simple. But together non-controversial spending bills for the departments you want to fund.

Work on them sequentially.

Then at the end you get to where you disagree with Obama - let him veto a spending bill for HUD or HHS. Ok fine, instead of some money you get no money. Have a nice year.


Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 10:31 AM (78TbK)

232 >>>> Now is this a good bill? Doesn't appear to be from what I've seen but if Obama does sign it then he will at least have to go to Congress with the deal. -------- Why? Because he's shown such respect for congress and the law previously?

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 10:31 AM (z/Ubi)

233 *raises hand* Polly would like a tiger. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN) *rummages* Lemme see....lemme see... Tern, white-winged Tern, white-winged black Thirteen-lined squirrel Thomson's gazelle Thrasher, curve-billed Three-banded plover Tiger cat Tiger snake Timber wolf Ah! There it is! Tiger, Bengal Here you go, my queen.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:31 AM (dJWs0)

234 Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (63yKp) ::raises hand:: that describes me in 2014. I sat out 2008, because fuck mccain (well, not entirely accurate. I voted downticket, then voted for bob barr or whoever the libertarian was as a throwaway vote). I donated, volunteered, worked my ass off, and voted in 2010. Was backstabbed. I gritted my teeth and voted for Romney the ass hat in 2012. And I did absolutely nothing for 2014, because fuck the GOP. And it felt great to sit it out. Because I'm done with being played like a fool.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:32 AM (AkOaV)

235 Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 03:24 PM (msAGT) Perhaps...triggering? Maybe bad memories? Pre-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder? Please fill out the investigation forms, and we'll have the Department of Kulakization see to this "Ace" character.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:32 AM (hLRSq)

236 Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (78TbK) The Omnibus budget was probably the last nail in the coffin of this country.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:32 AM (HDwDg)

237 Note to self, never open a link from wrg500. Also, use the MOAB next time. Anything smaller leaves survivors.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 10:32 AM (DT3rQ)

238 Hmmm, we need a way to point out to the masses that our elected representatives routinely lie to us.... This is a job for PANDER BEAR POWER.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 10:32 AM (MYPM9)

239 My MIL is a gem. My FIL....small doses are best, shall we say. I'm blessed. Both are +10.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (Wv9Ra)

240 Corker sucks! They are all enablers of zero! 12 Rs voted Tuesday to further decrease Senate power- Ernst was a surprise & so was Purdue. Rest were usual suspects, including Corker. Ace, Levin named them on show & it was on The Right Scoop yesterday & I put on Twitter & they held another vote yesterday & 8 republicans voted for it. Levin also named & I put on Twitter yesterday. Senate is acting like Reid is running it & not that jerk,McConnell! I was livid last night!

Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (sj3Ax)

241 I'm sure Senators Warner and Kaine are eagerly awaiting my call.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (l3vZN)

242 They're not coming back with a new candidate and a new favor of bs.
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I didn't vote for Mitt Ronmneycare and I won't vote for another member of the GOPe.

If the GOP wants my vote they are going to have to earn it.

Because I don't give a fark if the choice is a corporatist Bush vs a corporatist Clinton.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (78TbK)

243 Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 03:31 PM (78TbK) They certainly COULD do that, but why WOULD they? They don't give a shit what Obama does as long as their personal little fiefdoms of power, corruption and money don't get interrupted.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (AkOaV)

244

Polly would like a tiger.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN)

 

Tiger would like a Polly.

Posted by: The OKC Tiger at April 30, 2015 10:33 AM (cL79m)

245 Well?

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at April 30, 2015 10:34 AM (LISuA)

246 Thank you, Bannion. Now if you would be so kind as to beset the Ravage on wrg500 for whatever that link is because there is no way I am clicking that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:34 AM (mf5HN)

247 BALTIMORE, Md. (WJLA) -- An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources. The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report tuned over to prosecutors on Thursday as well as preliminary findings made by the medical examiner's office. Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van. Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was result of some other action. http://goo.gl/WQtPy3

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 10:34 AM (iQIUe)

248 She's firmly in two overlapping camps right now: 1) Why do I give a damn 2) Why isn't your dissertation done, get your ass back up stairs now before I start screaming and get the fuck to work. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:29 PM (HDwDg) *fist bump* I am so glad those days are done. Wife passed the EPPP exam last Tuesday night. That was the last hurdle. She got the PhD last August, but couldn't walk across the stage until the Spring. I'm making her go to the ceremony next Saturday. I earned that much.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:34 AM (dJWs0)

249 Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER. *pinches cheek* You're so adorable..

Posted by: The MFM[/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 30, 2015 10:34 AM (0HooB)

250 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (mf5HN) LOL, chicken.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (sgrzZ)

251 Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (Wv9Ra) Yeah, my in laws are like second parents to me, I get along with them great. Even if they are liberals. (well, not legally in laws. But my girlfriend of 5+ years' parents).

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (AkOaV)

252 Gee, I hope that guy from this morning doesnt come back and yell at me.

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (iQIUe)

253 You know what this thread needs? Bewbs. And besides, she makes some good, um, points: http://tinyurl.com/p3e7dgx

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (7ObY1)

254 >>If Obama issues an EO, it has no force once he's out of office. Which is exactly what Republicans said weeks ago. Allen- Virtually every projection I have seen says Iran is less than 1 year from break out. Obama won't be out of office for 20 months. It will be pointless to cancel the EO after the nuclear horse has left the barn. We all know they aren't going to impeach Obama. There is no money to cut off on this one. I don't like the looks of this particular deal but maybe, maybe, they will be able to kill this thing now that Obama has admitted he needs Congressional review. If not, we not only get a nuclear Iran we get an arms race in the middle east.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (g1DWB)

255 The only one that seems to have balls is Tom Cotton. Ben Sasse has been good too. Joni Ernst sucks.

Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 10:35 AM (sj3Ax)

256 when the first Iranian nuke goes off, i hope it's in DC...

but why would they nuke their best allies?

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 10:36 AM (044Yr)

257 I'm blessed. Both are +10. Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (Wv9Ra) I'm training him. I now got him to the point where there are no "ha! ha!" passive-agressive gibes coming my way. "Lemme tell ya Dad. If you want to say something to me, be a fucking man. Say it to my face and then mean it." So....that went well last Thanksgiving. He's better now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:36 AM (dJWs0)

258 @247

Let the games begin.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at April 30, 2015 10:36 AM (RLFFI)

259 Called McCornyn's office to express my distaste for the Corker bill. The Asshat is a co-sponsor.

Posted by: DanMan at April 30, 2015 10:36 AM (RusNE)

260 Polly would like a tiger. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN) Would you like a case of tiger chow? I can have it sent express at no extra charge.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

261 Joni Ernst sucks. ---- I'm listening....

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (MYPM9)

262 Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:34 PM (dJWs0)[/I] I have an ultimatum from her: "Substantial progress by the end of the year of leave the program." (Somewhat ironically "get a job" is not in that ultimatum because: Stay at home dad for now.) I took this ultimatum to my mentor who said "yeah, sounds about right, get me a draft of the dissertation by the end of the year or you should probably find other things to do." So now I work furiously on pumping out as much as possible as fast as possible to get to my mentor. (Today is a lit search day.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (HDwDg)

263 Who spiders this is?

Posted by: Eli Cash at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (a+WIL)

264 Here are 8: http://tinyurl.com/l7eg596

Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (sj3Ax)

265 Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER. ----------------------------------------------------- I expect secession would be more likely to succeed than thinking Repubs could by any means be made to stop lying to us.

Posted by: Sunni LeBeouf at April 30, 2015 10:37 AM (xkSSa)

266

Virtually every projection I have seen says Iran is less than 1 year from break out. Obama won't be out of office for 20 months.

 

It will be pointless to cancel the EO after the nuclear horse has left the barn.

 

We all know they aren't going to impeach Obama. There is no money to cut off on this one. I don't like the looks of this particular deal but maybe, maybe, they will be able to kill this thing now that Obama has admitted he needs Congressional review.

 

If not, we not only get a nuclear Iran we get an arms race in the middle east.

 

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB)

 

Not to mention the current US intel community assessment is break-out in 2-3 months.  Given there aren't inspections going on while the talks are continuing, I somehow suspect that the June 30 agreement itself will be too late.

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:38 AM (cL79m)

267 You know what this thread needs? Bewbs. And besides, she makes some good, um, points: See #120.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 10:38 AM (Wv9Ra)

268 1. We demand an inquiry or we're gonna riot! 2. We don't accept the findings of the inquiry so we're gonna riot! 3. You know what, we just wanna riot and steal free stuff. Fuck you, racist.

Posted by: Protesters Everywhere at April 30, 2015 10:38 AM (7ObY1)

269 When does the "treaty" come up for a vote? I thought mr executive action could do what he wanted and say it wasn't a treaty? Then what?

Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 10:38 AM (4lR8S)

270 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB) Please. He wouldn't agree to this unless Reid and McConnell promised him he'd have the votes to pass it. Clearly the two of them couldnt get 67 votes, which is why they did this kabuki ridicuousness. So they've promised to give Obama a fig leaf on Iran by coming up with 34 votes. That's already signed sealed and delivered. If for some reason they can't get the 34 votes, Obama will simply "deem" it as passed, and we shall move on. This R bill is designed to give Obama COVER not to challenge him at all. Probably payback for amnesty -- Obama gave the R's cover by not forcing them to vote for (what the donors want) or against (what the voters want) amnesty by just EO'ing it in to place. Now, Congress will help O out of a tough situation.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:39 AM (AkOaV)

271

When does the "treaty" come up for a vote? I thought mr executive action could do what he wanted and say it wasn't a treaty? Then what?

 

Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 03:38 PM (4lR8S)

 

The 98th of Never.

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:39 AM (cL79m)

272 I have a solution: 1. slip multiple Beach Body ads into the bill 2. demand the bill not be passed because it is full of sexism! Bonus move if get SJW attack dogs to take the bait and go nuts on Twitter 3. sit back and watch GOP crumble because the #2 goal of the GOP (after preserving their power at #1) is to not allow the GOP to have a hint of ever resembling a bad guy, ever. Aka, Profit! You're welcome, no need to thank me.

Posted by: LizLem at April 30, 2015 10:39 AM (yRwC8)

273 >>Not to mention the current US intel community assessment is break-out in 2-3 months. Given there aren't inspections going on while the talks are continuing, I somehow suspect that the June 30 agreement itself will be too late. Wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:39 AM (g1DWB)

274 Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It's also unclear whether Gray's head injury was voluntary or was result of some other action. Allow me to direct attention to Andrew Branca's article today over on Legal Insurrection: http://tinyurl.com/jvns6hz Short version: A grave spinal injury could well have been unintentionally inflicted during the arrest, which went undetected until it started causing spasms and seizures in the van, thus accounting for the other passenger's account of what happened. Which is still potentially civilly liable even if the arrest was righteous.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 10:39 AM (DT3rQ)

275 Here are 12 from Tuesday: http://tinyurl.com/m5buhm3

Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 10:40 AM (sj3Ax)

276 Beach body beach body there on the sand From July till the end of September

Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 10:40 AM (7ObY1)

277 ...its not a treaty. I don't mean this in a funny Kindergarden Cop kind of vibe, but seriously, all it does is change the sanctions as I understand it. Which, as I further understand it, is not legal since the law requires sanctions. So basically congress doesn't have to do anything to block this except insist the president obey the law. Am I missing something, here?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 30, 2015 10:40 AM (39g3+)

278 Posted by: Citizen X at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (7ObY1) You are a great American. Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:35 PM (g1DWB) It's failure theater. You can rationalize it all you want, but that's all it is. Let's say this bill passes. What happens next? Does TFG sign it? No. So now they have to override the veto. Good f*cking luck. Or he does sign it. Do you think there *won't* be 34 votes to block the Senate's block? So, if Iran is only 12 mos away from a nuke, we're screwed anyway (unless Israel does something). Nothing is going to change that. Not this bill. Not 1,000 bills. It's not my fault the Republicans took impeachment off the table. It's not my fault they won't play hard-ball with the budget (there is always money involved, if nothing else the Republicans could threaten something the Democrats want). But once they have taken those off the table, they don't get to tell me how they're really, really angry that the SCOAMT is running roughshod over the Constitution.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 10:41 AM (kff5f)

279 Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:36 PM (dJWs0[/I] Could you train my inlaws to act less like teenagers and more like adults? I'd settle for my FIL realizing that he doesn't always have to a) be right or b) rub into his wife with the Traumatic brain injury and memory problems that he was right.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:41 AM (HDwDg)

280 Obama's legacy will be a flood of bloodletting throughout the middle east and all Muslim lands. *ponders* Not that it is something difficult to achieve with that crew, mind you.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:42 AM (hLRSq)

281 Ow my balls! Seriously, be more gentle, Barack. Work the shaft. That's better.

Posted by: Iran at April 30, 2015 10:43 AM (MYPM9)

282 Could you train my inlaws to act less like teenagers and more like adults? Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:41 PM (HDwDg) My FIL has the Peter Pan Syndrome. Or, as Dr Bannion has informed me, "Learned helplessness."

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:43 AM (dJWs0)

283 69 Well, the citizens did elect a clusterfuck in chief 2 x, So anything is possible.. Posted by: Mickey Lolich _____________________ Hi Mickey.

Posted by: Bill Freehan at April 30, 2015 10:43 AM (UlJ3l)

284 i can't seriously give a fuck what this clown show does anymore. They are all assholes. I am about to make some interesting purchases soon, the burning times be comin. They hate us.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 10:43 AM (ucDmr)

285 This is all about money. Billions of dollars in Iranian assets will be freed up. Maybe hundreds of billions. GOP beaks are ready to dip in to those, the same as the Dems. It is nothing but treachery.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 10:43 AM (JgC5a)

286 Obama's legacy will be a flood of bloodletting throughout the middle east and all Muslim lands. *ponders* Not that it is something difficult to achieve with that crew, mind you. Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 03:42 PM (hLRSq) I'm not so sure at the moment that his legacy won't be a flood of blood letting in the U.S.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 10:44 AM (sgrzZ)

287 I also sent Cruz an email reading him the riot act on his voting attendance. Don't make me change my nic.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 10:44 AM (dBm7S)

288 I can give this post, Ace, an amen. Burn, baby, burn!

Posted by: goon at April 30, 2015 10:44 AM (A53Jp)

289 >>He wouldn't agree to this unless Reid and McConnell promised him he'd have the votes to pass it. So why is Tom Cotton supporting it? Did he become an Obama lapdog overnight?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:44 AM (g1DWB)

290 Dare I? Oh, you bet. Ace, first off, might want to proof read that, again. "...when they're actually voting againstfor" is I think what you wanted. The "Dare I" part. It sounds like they are conspiring against US. You do everything but come right out and say it. I guess because only mentally deficient idiots who have to find someone else to blame for their lack of success ever buy into any conspiracies. Right?

Posted by: teej at April 30, 2015 10:45 AM (IF7/S)

291 I'm not so sure at the moment that his legacy won't be a flood of blood letting in the U.S.
___
I'm so proud of my student.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at April 30, 2015 10:45 AM (78TbK)

292 I'm not so sure at the moment that his legacy won't be a flood of blood letting in the U.S. Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (sgrzZ) That's possible, but I am going with the stuff that is definite.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:45 AM (hLRSq)

293 I want a liger.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 10:45 AM (MYPM9)

294 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:37 PM (HDwDg) well go work on your nerd stuff, then. dont let us keep you from doing important shit.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (AkOaV)

295 Or, as Dr Bannion has informed me, "Learned helplessness." Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (dJWs0) [/I] Yeah we have to occasionally take calls to mediate fights between them. I don't necessarily hold MIL responsible (she is, officially speaking, crazy. I do not use that term loosely, shrinks, meds, etc.) FIL needs to drop his need to rub in the mistakes.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (HDwDg)

296 @235 Please fill out the investigation forms, and we'll have the Department of Kulakization see to this "Ace" character. The "whores of hell" just called, also. They wish to file a defamation lawsuit. They despise being compared to Congressmen.

Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (msAGT)

297 Now, back to work. Love each other...

Posted by: teej at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (IF7/S)

298
Can't even count on the conservatives we do have in the House to stop it because its a senate thing.

Its a Senate Thing - Screwing the Conservatives Up the Cornhole Since Ever (tm)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (ODxAs)

299 my in-laws are dead...

in fact, my FiL is in a box in the front room.  :-)

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 10:46 AM (044Yr)

300 It sounds like they are conspiring against US.
___
Bah, that's not it at all.

We are conspiring for our personal financial benefit. Acting against the American interest isn't the intent at all...its just a bonus.

Posted by: The GOPe at April 30, 2015 10:47 AM (78TbK)

301 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (g1DWB) I have no idea why he's supporting it. Ask him. Probably offered him a highway with his name on it. Maybe a post office.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:47 AM (AkOaV)

302 I want a liger. Posted by: Turd Ferguson at April 30, 2015 03:45 PM (MYPM9) Submit the Alextopia Standard Form 2765-69 and in Block 11 cross out "Pizza" and write in "liger"

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:47 AM (dJWs0)

303 well go work on your nerd stuff, then. dont let us keep you from doing important shit. Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (AkOaV) I've automated some of the lit search actions. I drop in between articles to keep myself awake.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:47 AM (HDwDg)

304 Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (dJWs0)[/I] I have used that MASH reference before.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:48 AM (HDwDg)

305 287 I also sent Cruz an email reading him the riot act on his voting attendance. Don't make me change my nic. Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 03:44 PM (dBm7S) Thank you for expressing your concern. I agree that the Constitution should be upheld. I will continue to strive to defend that fine instrument of the Repulic. Thanks again for your support.

Posted by: Generic Congresscritter Reply Email at April 30, 2015 10:48 AM (48QDY)

306 Further proof, as if we needed any, that we have the exact wrong people in DC. #WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this sh1t [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 30, 2015 10:48 AM (0HooB)

307 How? By performing analingus on him? And then...the oral sex!

Posted by: The GOPe of Castle Anthrax at April 30, 2015 10:48 AM (FcR7P)

308 I have used that MASH reference before. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at April 30, 2015 03:48 PM (HDwDg) On MASH it's "Block J"

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:48 AM (dJWs0)

309 Not to mention the current US intel community assessment is break-out in 2-3 months. Given there aren't inspections going on while the talks are continuing, I somehow suspect that the June 30 agreement itself will be too late.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: JackStraw

 

no one wants to do what's required to stop iran. obama is smart enough, and the MFM is craven enough, to create and float a POS. If the Stupid party stops it, or even delays it, there's the chance that when ( not if) Iran goes nuclear, the blame is on the GOP for preventing dear leader from working his magic.

 

If the POS passes, then the GOP voted in favor of it.

 

In a very sad way, we'd be better off with the EO/deal/pen and a phone horseshit.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 10:49 AM (Spluw)

310 Does anyone know what Presdent obama is going to do to surprise Michealle for Mother's Day? We would like to know and pass it on to all our citizens of our grate community.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at April 30, 2015 10:49 AM (Sd++4)

311 The Republicans can't stop Obama lifting sanctions against Iran for the rest of his Presidency. PERIOD. They don't have the votes, though I wish they did. The Corker-Menendez bill allows Congress to actually SEE the agreement and pause it's implementation for 30 days, 82 days at most. If a few Democrat Senators hate the agreement after they read it... TA-DA, there's the veto-proof majority to forbid the agreement in a separate bill. This bill also forces the White House to report on compliance every 90 days. This bill gives an outside chance, but without it, we get a secret, terrible agreement between Obama and Iran.

Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 10:49 AM (hbAdE)

312 Submit the Alextopia Standard Form 2765-69 and in Block 11 cross out "Pizza" and write in "liger" Posted by: Sean Bannion What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 10:49 AM (MYPM9)

313 Oh hey random question is there anything in writing with Iran yet? Just, you know, askin'.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:49 AM (mf5HN)

314 I still don't get what the endgame is for the GOP. I get amnesty, they want to keep the chamber of commerce happy. But aside from Dearborn, MI, who the fuck is happy that Iran gets nukes?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (0LHZx)

315

Can't even count on the conservatives we do have in the House to stop it because its a senate thing.

 

Its a Senate Thing - Screwing the Conservatives Up the Cornhole Since Ever (tm)

 

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 03:46 PM (ODxAs)

 

You give us too little credit.  For us, it's about taking some faux power where the Constitution decrees we don't have even that.

Posted by: House PRL at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (cL79m)

316 #310: he's going to serve her one of her mandated school lunches

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (044Yr)

317 What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one. Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9) Careful, the RPs are out in force tonight. They're like MPs only....worse.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (dJWs0)

318 Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12 at April 30, 2015 03:39 PM (DT3rQ) Could be. Or he didnt realize he was injured and was flailing around to be a jackass, like half the suspects on Cops do. There's a reason they immobilize neck injuries and tell you not to move someone who has a neck injury. Sometimes no one can tell theres an injury until a minor injury turns in to a major injury by moving the neck and snapping shit (ugh gross)

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (AkOaV)

319 Does anyone know what Presdent obama is going to do to surprise Michealle for Mother's Day? Well...does she know about the estrogen treatments yet?

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (FcR7P)

320 >>I have no idea why he's supporting it. Ask him. >>Probably offered him a highway with his name on it. Maybe a post office. Right. The guy who authored the letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran telling him that Obama couldn't go it alone changed his mind over a highway naming. As it happens, I don't have to ask him because he has already said. It's not much of a deal but its better than nothing. Sure, they could have written a tougher bill and Obama would have vetoed it and done it on his own. Now that is failure theater. If the alternative is Obama doing a deal with zero Congressional input I'll take this bill as shitty as it may be.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 10:50 AM (g1DWB)

321

Oh hey random question is there anything in writing with Iran yet?

 

Just, you know, askin'.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

 

In visible or invisible ink?

Posted by: steveegg at April 30, 2015 10:51 AM (cL79m)

322 Rubio's offering some bullshit... SHit blogMan, that's all you Had to SAY. In fact you could say it for any politician.

Posted by: Julius with brains in his Fro at April 30, 2015 10:51 AM (JOFI1)

323 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (0LHZx) foreign policy "experts" probably have them convinced its not a bad move on Obamas part, but they don't want to deal with trying to convince the base. And again, I don't think they give a shit at the end of the day. "Does Iran getting nukes effect my little fiefdom of power, money, corruption, donors, cronies, etc.? No? Okay, then why am I supposed to give a shit?"

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (AkOaV)

324 The GOP is not what it says it is. Your eyes and ears are not lying to you. The GOP is lying to you.

Posted by: eman at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (HtP73)

325 What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one. Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9) The proper phrase is "moonlight requisition".

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (hLRSq)

326 Ace - sorry, but I don't get it.. (nothing new)

Obama says he doesn't need Congress.  That this "treaty" falls under the UN anti-proliferation treaty already in place.

So, he's gonna tell Congress to go fuck themselves anyway.

Doesn't Congress need a bill saying - "oh no you don't, Barack.. you need to get it approved here first!"  ???

And when you say "2. Then, you vote against the treaty."

Ok.  But doesn't Obama get to veto that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (so+oy)

327

 

i'm guessing they know iran already has a bomb

Posted by: kj at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (lKyWE)

328 What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one. Posted by: Turd Ferguson, heading to Baltimore at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MYPM9) Sure, you do that. There's no possible way that can go wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (mf5HN)

329 What's infuriating is that it's a habit with these guys. Amnesty I get. They've got a lot of donors who want their labor at slave wages. But they just do it on bullshit stuff to avoid being obstructionist. Obstructionist on a stupid Iran treaty? Trust me, even the liberals won't give you a hard time on this one. The only motivation I can get is that they don't want mean things said about them in the New York Times.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2015 10:52 AM (L2xDv)

330 If only the RNC had supported Gillespie, I'd have a real Republican Senator to complain to. Instead they (Reince Imma looking at you and your vile DC Establishment cronies) gifted Virginia and Virginia's corrupt PoS Senator with a second term.

Posted by: Hrothgar [/u][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 10:53 AM (ftVQq)

331 This bill also forces the White House to report on compliance every 90 days. Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (hbAdE) _________ Oh good. A report. Phew, and here I was worried.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:53 AM (0LHZx)

332 Not to mention the current US intel community assessment is break-out in 2-3 months

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Posted by: Mossad at April 30, 2015 10:53 AM (NUCTk)

333 Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2015 03:33 PM (78TbK) Boy you showed them.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (dBm7S)

334 "Vile motherfuckers"? Oww. That hurts.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, Conservative Superhero With Mad Politickin' Skillz at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (8ZskC)

335 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (g1DWB) The guy who posted an open letter on a senate webpage you mean. A meaningless gesture that probably took his staff a few hours to put together. To get some leverage. And pretend to be "standing tough" for the stupid voters back at home in the hinterlands.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (AkOaV)

336 "They are lying to us, they are corrupt as the worst whores of hell, and they are leading this country into destruction." not much I can add

Posted by: some guy at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (q177U)

337 Sure, you do that. There's no possible way that can go wrong. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (mf5HN) If you get enough 'guests' you won't have to buy any tiger chow.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet validates insecurities, hang-ups, neuroses, and parking! at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (hLRSq)

338 And in my opinion, Cruz is no better. He's just got better timing and he can say whatever he wants and then they're helping him make is vote look better than what it really is.

Dondi is also still playing the same deal.

Walker's already been gotten too. They're reframing the demand that illegal immigration be stopped by securing the border by calling for security for workers's wages. Not stopping illegals but somehow making them not affect worker's wages.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Meanwhile they'll still be coming across the border and all the protections in the world aren't going to stop them from depressing the wages offered.

It's how the economy works.

But Walker already found out he can't say that if he wants to get anywhere so he's hiding his true plans behind b.s.

They're all not worth a fart in an aqua lung.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (zRby/)

339 What's this 'triplicate' shit? I'm just going to steal one. Posted by: Turd Ferguson Pick me up an ocelot!

Posted by: Sterling Archer at April 30, 2015 10:54 AM (MYPM9)

340 Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (L2xDv) I think they just don't give a shit and look at it as a distraction from their real mission in DC, which is to get rich and powerful.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:55 AM (AkOaV)

341 Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 03:47 PM (dJWs0)[/I] Also it's "cross out machine gun" which makes it better. OK baby feeding time.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst[/i] [/b] [/s] at April 30, 2015 10:55 AM (HDwDg)

342 I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any longer than they make me.

Posted by: Blah oh at April 30, 2015 10:55 AM (4lR8S)

343 Give the Democrats their due. The don't try ot deceive their own base. When they say they are against gay marriage, the base knows they are lying. When they say programs will be revenue neutral, the base knows they are lying.They are really only deceiving everyone else who might vote for them. The Republicans only try to deceive their own base, which is, frankly, worse in my opinion. Maybe its time to have a second look at these Democrats. /sarc

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at April 30, 2015 10:55 AM (QCm6g)

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 10:56 AM (nb5QL)

345 "Analingus." The official airline of Irish Homos? If only we could raise Hell like the THUGS in Baltimore do. Oh well. At least with Schumer and Gillibrand, I know what I got straight up. But Tennessee? What gives, people?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 10:56 AM (St6BJ)

346 Brattleboro's citizens heads are so far up Obama's ASS that when you look down his throat you see all of their faces !!!!!

Posted by: Frogger McGhee at April 30, 2015 10:56 AM (tDemh)

347 Walker's already been gotten too. They're reframing the demand that illegal immigration be stopped by securing the border by calling for security for workers's wages. Not stopping illegals but somehow making them not affect worker's wages. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 03:54 PM (zRby/) ___________ Afterwards, they will also try their best to stop the affect of gravity on heavy objects.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:56 AM (0LHZx)

348 * effect

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (0LHZx)

349
"Does Iran getting nukes effect my little fiefdom of power, money, corruption, donors, cronies, etc.? No? Okay, then why am I supposed to give a shit?"

Posted by: mynewhandle

 

This.

Doing the right thing has terrible downsides, and no reward. And they are craven. And most of the LIVs don't know, care, or care to know.

 

We'd be bombing sites for months, with scant way of verifying what we're doing, while every asshole is howling about orphanges or whatever. We eould need to seucre every area and inspect and probably seize everything.

 

This was done in Iraq, and look at what was required to do that. Kaddafi actually coughed up his program, to avoid tjust that.

 

No one believes that we'll do it again. As I predicted, JEF fucked up Libya. And it was far weaker and easier.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (Spluw)

350 346 Brattleboro's citizens heads are so far up Obama's ASS that when you look down his throat you see all of their faces !!!!! Posted by: Frogger McGhee at April 30, 2015 03:56 PM (tDemh) Faces, Feces. Meh, same difference.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (St6BJ)

351 Nothing like being in a Dem House district with two Dem senators. No representation (or at least no sane representation).

So who do I complain to? Governor Moonbeam?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (nb5QL)

352 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 30, 2015 03:52 PM (so+oy) The constitution says any treaty requires the President signature and 2/3 of the Senate. This "bill" they're passing flips that on its head. Now they need the presidents signature and 2/3 of the senate to DISAPPROVE of the bill. So if they had done NOTHING, they'd be all set legally. Also, I don't think its constitutional to do what they are doing by flipping the requirements for a treaty but who gives a shit. Its also not constitutional to outsource one of their 22 enumerated powers (money supply) to the federal reserve, but no one seems to care about that either.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (AkOaV)

353 Mary from wherever the fuck, why would he get her anything, she aint no mother. And he aint no father, those two changelings are props.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 10:57 AM (ucDmr)

354 But Tennessee? What gives, people?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Hey, I did my part.  I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though.

Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 10:58 AM (/Ho8c)

355 This is all about money. Billions of dollars in Iranian assets will be freed up. Maybe hundreds of billions. GOP beaks are ready to dip in to those, the same as the Dems.

It is nothing but treachery.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at April 30, 2015 03:43 PM (JgC5a)


Sure glad we have those insider trading protections built into the yellowcake, so to speak!

Posted by: Congressional Scum [/u][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 10:58 AM (ftVQq)

356 How does this Iran nuclear treaty bullshit get me PAID?

Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 10:58 AM (NUCTk)

357 oops! *giggle*

Did I say that out loud?

Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 10:59 AM (NUCTk)

358 356 How does this Iran nuclear treaty bullshit get me PAID? Posted by: Your GOP on truth serum at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (NUCTk) Unfreezing of billions in Farsi cash and easing of business restrictions. In other words, the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 10:59 AM (St6BJ)

359 If I could get Swiss citizenship right now, I would take it. I'm transitioning from saying "Boy, I really don't like the way things have been going but if we just do X, Y, and Z we can turn it around" to "The country is lost. I simply don't like it or its people anymore. And I don't owe it an effort to improve things."

Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 10:59 AM (YhayY)

360 And at least there is a shot this way. Otherwise, we were guaranteed to have Obama give Iran whatever they wanted. Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 03:30 PM (g1DWB) Inverting the Constitutional order for a one-off political gag is stupid. There are a laundry list of legitimate options that are not being used. Stop making excuses, please.

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 10:59 AM (0Owun)

361

OT: The Krauts have cancelled a 5,000 person bicycle race due to fears of a terrorist attack.

 

Upside, they arrested a couple of incipient terrorists unrelated to this and called them presumed "Islamic inspired terrorists".  Actually used the "I" word.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 11:00 AM (JtwS4)

362 We call this a False Dichotomy.

The choice is not 67 votes to ratify versus 67 to disapprove.  Obama has said since before negotiations began a couple years ago that he had no intention of submitting it to the Senate at all.  So there was NEVER going to be any ratification vote.

So the only way to give the Congress any voice at all - besides lifting sanctions, which is meaningless if Europe does since we do no business with Iran anyway - is to have a veto-proof majority to demand it.  And you can't get Democrats on board for the demand for full treaty ratification.  PERIOD.

If you don't think this is the best we could do, NAME the Democrats who would go along with something stronger.  BUT don't act like an ignoramus by claiming we could have forced "2/3 ratification" when that was never in the cards.  Nothing says the President has to submit all agreements as treaties, and in fact 90% of our international agreements in the last 30 years have been executive agreements not submitted as treaties.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 11:00 AM (QIQ6j)

363 354 But Tennessee? What gives, people? Posted by: J.J. Sefton Hey, I did my part. I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though. Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (/Ho8c) Don't forget about us. We're catching up.

Posted by: North Carolina at April 30, 2015 11:00 AM (48QDY)

364 352 Also, I don't think its constitutional to do what they are doing by flipping the requirements for a treaty but who gives a shit. Its also not constitutional to outsource one of their 22 enumerated powers (money supply) to the federal reserve, but no one seems to care about that either. Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 03:57 PM (AkOaV) And, what is this "Constitution" you speak of?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:00 AM (St6BJ)

365 There was a talking voice on Bennett the other day saying the base is always upset but they'll come around come the election. Bennett was saying this time it is different, the voters are mad. We may well be seeing the death of the Republican Party.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 11:00 AM (LImiJ)

366
I didn't watch the video cause I can't stand Oblahblah's voice, but this kid will never get a job with the MFM:

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=27182

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 11:01 AM (ODxAs)

367 314 I still don't get what the endgame is for the GOP. I get amnesty, they want to keep the chamber of commerce happy. But aside from Dearborn, MI, who the fuck is happy that Iran gets nukes? Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at April 30, 2015 03:50 PM (0LHZx) These are the people that you want in power you pathetically vile amoral fuckface.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 11:02 AM (z/Ubi)

368 361 Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (JtwS4) Saying something is "inspired" by Islam is an epic fail, as it implies Islam is not this peaceful religion that everyone is trying to claim it is. Ha.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:02 AM (St6BJ)

369 "The country is lost. I simply don't like it or its people anymore. And I don't owe it an effort to improve things."

Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 03:59 PM (YhayY)


I'm not sure if it's really lost, or if it's just the fact that the loudest minorities have the megaphones. 52% voting to re-elect Obama is not a good sign, however.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 11:02 AM (nb5QL)

370 Seriously, this is all a waste of time and breath. The only thing that would be of any use is direct action people power on the steps of the capital with the implied threat that at any moment in a fit of rage we are going to storm the Bastille so to speak and not metaphorically. Anything less is masturbation. We are literally losing our country before our very eyes. Yelling on the internets is not going to stop it. I got 21 ppt days left this year anybody want to organize a road trip? I'm up for that.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 11:03 AM (M+ldm)

371 Why block it? Sounds like it's a corker of a bill!

Posted by: Fauous Englishman at April 30, 2015 11:03 AM (xkSSa)

372 >>>But Tennessee? What gives, people?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Hey, I did my part. I can't 'splain how we elected a pair a sh*tweasels, though.
Posted by: Moderate Salami at April 30, 2015 03:58 PM (/Ho8c)

Don't forget about us. We're catching up.
Posted by: North Carolina at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (48QDY)<<<




**sneaks out of thread slowly**

Posted by: Arizona at April 30, 2015 11:03 AM (1FyZ2)

373 Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (QIQ6j) The constitution says 2/3s. Let Obama ignore it. Fine. He said he would. It's not a legally binding treaty, the Senate and the rest of us can ignore it just like they ignored Wilson and his stupid League of Nations. Why is the GOPe giving him a fig leaf? Now they're working with him to retroactively make his "treaty" legal. This doesn't give anyone a voice, it just offers Obama some political cover. Congress instituted the sanctions, Obama cannot lift them on his own.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:03 AM (AkOaV)

374 Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (QIQ6j) Troll.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 11:03 AM (z/Ubi)

375 That's it. Ace, I'm getting an Ewok tat on my forehead. The pushback is going to come, not from the halls of gubmint, but by a motley collection of Bartertown residents, led by a furry woodland uh, person.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (sdxPm)

376 And in fact Obama has made fewer executive agreements than any President since Reagan. 

This isn't rocket science.  It doesn't take a lot of research to learn.

But it does take a willingness not to parrot the chants from the ignorant and stupid as if they were true.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (QIQ6j)

377 This bill also forces the White House to report on compliance every 90 days. This bill gives an outside chance, but without it, we get a secret, terrible agreement between Obama and Iran. Posted by: theCork at April 30, 2015 03:49 PM (hbAdE) WOW. The GOP is forcing the the administration to submit more phony, incomplete paperwork - probably for things that are already required to be submitted. Genius! How do they come up with this stuff!?

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (0Owun)

378 One of the usual suspects in Ferguson said as to Gray's had injury: Blacks Dont Crack!

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (iQIUe)

379 365 We may well be seeing the death of the Republican Party. Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (LImiJ) If it removes the bastards from DC - even at the cost of permanent Democrat rule - so be it. Hell, we're almost there anyway so let McConnell Boehner and the rest go to Hell. Punishment for them would be identity thieves and hackers stealing every penny they have.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (St6BJ)

380 I'm gonna give Iran $50B. --Obama Make sure you keep the receipts --GOP

Posted by: Mostly Peaceful Commenter at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (0Owun)

381 The choice is not 67 votes to ratify versus 67 to disapprove. Obama has said since before negotiations began a couple years ago that he had no intention of submitting it to the Senate at all. So there was NEVER going to be any ratification vote. And the correct answer was to impeach him immediately and/or shut down the government. Seriously, the United States Constitution has two solutions to executive overreach. 1- Congress controls the purse-strings. 2- Impeachment. Anything that is *not* one of those two remedies is unconstitutional, and nothing more than theater. But, of course, politicians (heck, most citizens) don't actually give a rip about the Constitution except as a set of general guidelines. We've been worse about following the Constitution than Captain Barbosa and the Pirate's Code. And don't give me any lip about "elections." Electing Republicans isn't helping anyway. There is right, and there is wrong, and the Republican Party is currently supporting "wrong."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:04 AM (kff5f)

382 I don't understand all the hand-wringing. A guy named Hussein told you what he was going to do in 2007.

Posted by: Juan McCain at April 30, 2015 11:05 AM (48QDY)

383 Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (M+ldm)

Agree. Mass assembly in D.C. by about half the population of the country is the only thing that will get their attention.


Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 11:05 AM (nb5QL)

384 Is the corker bill even constitutional? Article 2 section 2 explicitly lays out the 2/3 majority of the senate for treaties. Is this thing not a treaty now? God I hate these fucks.

Posted by: SteveF at April 30, 2015 11:05 AM (2mEUK)

385 378 One of the usual suspects in Ferguson said as to Gray's had injury: Blacks Dont Crack! Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (iQIUe) Thick homo-erectus neanderthal skulls.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:05 AM (St6BJ)

386 Epic, Ace! Yet another reason why I return again and again to this award-winning, smart military blog. Let us consider 3 words: 'taqiyya' is what they're doing 'kabuki' is what they think they're doing 'porn' is what we're going to do to them if they don't cut this s**t out.

Posted by: Steve White, eater of the cheese popcorn at April 30, 2015 11:06 AM (M/v8Y)

387 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:00 PM (St6BJ) Right. We're all just standing here with our dicks in our hands trying to do things legally while the DC types have long since decided to say "fuck it" to the constitution. If the constitution is our "social compact" and its no longer operative, where does that leave us as a country? Really, I want to know. With what authority are these jackasses ruling over us?

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:06 AM (AkOaV)

388 Car chase! http://goo.gl/RvXjXO

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 11:06 AM (iQIUe)

389 384 Is the corker bill even constitutional? Article 2 section 2 explicitly lays out the 2/3 majority of the senate for treaties. Is this thing not a treaty now? God I hate these fucks. Posted by: SteveF at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (2mEUK) I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Constitution has been shredded.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:06 AM (St6BJ)

390  the only way to give the Congress any voice at all - besides lifting sanctions, which is meaningless if Europe does since we do no business with Iran anyway - is to have a veto-proof majority to demand it. And you can't get Democrats on board for the demand for full treaty ratification. PERIOD.

If you don't think this is the best we could do, NAME the Democrats who would go along with something stronger.

Posted by: Adjoran

 

A voice saying one thing while meaning the exact opposite is worse than useless.

 

If JEF wants to pretend that a piece of paper will stop Iran, then he'll think that. If you think that "a congressional voice" wiil matter to JEF you're delusional.

he will point to their votes if and when this fails. Chamberlain became the scapegoat after 1938, even though he wasn't the only person that didn't want to go to war to protect the Sudetenland. Leave it to the stupid party to half-ass it yet again.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 11:06 AM (Spluw)

391 Troll. Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (z/Ubi) Yes, but did you note for the record his "concern"?

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [/s][/u][ at April 30, 2015 11:07 AM (dJWs0)

392 Once again.  Iran is going to do as it wants to do, no matter if there are  sanctions or not, a signed "treaty" or not.  They have the upper hand.  The US is the weak element in these  talks and everyone in the world knows it.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2015 11:07 AM (/HX7u)

393 Billions of dollars in Iranian assets will be freed up. Maybe hundreds of billions.

Pfffft.

Moo Moo made that on his first summer job.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at April 30, 2015 11:07 AM (oVJmc)

394 I wrote my Senators - Cruz and Cornyn and told them to vote NO on Corker.
Told them to go all HOBO on Corker's ass.

Posted by: Rob in TX at April 30, 2015 11:07 AM (D1Wja)

395 If the constitution is our "social compact" and its no longer operative, where does that leave us as a country? Really, I want to know. Unbound by the ties that bound us. Secession is just a statement at this point. The contract has been broken.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i] at April 30, 2015 11:08 AM (Wv9Ra)

396 387 Really, I want to know. With what authority are these jackasses ruling over us? Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:06 PM (AkOaV) The ONLY thing standing between us and them is the general civility and decency of most American people. But when the crash and/or nuke attack or sanctioned "wilding" in the streets comes and the civil society is gone, then all bets are off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:08 AM (St6BJ)

397

If an Iranian nuke goes off in DC should we go to war with them?

 

I'm not willing to waste my blood or my children's blood over it.

Posted by: Ken at April 30, 2015 11:08 AM (LXJ1e)

398 Obama 2016!

Posted by: half of the American Electorate at April 30, 2015 11:08 AM (NUCTk)

399 the republicans are all spineless assholes. why vote anymore? nothing changes. it sucks.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 11:08 AM (ucDmr)

400 But Ace, there is a lot of money to be made selling stuff to the Iranians if the sanctions are lifted.  The people who plan to make a lot of money selling stuff to the Iranians are willing to pay lobbyists and make big contributions to Senators of either party to get those sanctions lifted.


Are you saying that Senators, lobbyists and people trying to sell stuff to Iran should not make loads of money?  What are you, some kind of communist?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 11:09 AM (KDbAT)

401 Posted by: SteveF at April 30, 2015 04:05 PM (2mEUK) No its not, but they're playing semantics with us on what is a treaty and what is not. Which is great. Because I love how the lawyerly weasels in DC can use word games to weasel out of all kind of shit, but try to get out of a traffic ticket or IRS audit or anything else with word games and semantics and see what happens. IN FACT, this just went to the NC supreme court I believe. A driver was pulled over for a burned out tail light, cops searched found drugs, arrested him. Turns out NC has no law that specifies you need all 3 tail lights (both sides and the one in the back windshield) operational. just 'a light'. Guy fought it to the nc supreme court, thinking he found a technicality. Court said, "nah, the cop was operating in good faith. his search was legal. doesnt matter what the letter of the law says, we need to follow the intent." Which is the same argument for OCare subsidies. So sometimes semantics matter, other times they dont.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:09 AM (AkOaV)

402 At what point does the GOP become so disreputable that people no longer care?

1998?

Posted by: Paladin at April 30, 2015 11:09 AM (DPvCq)

403 This is about the only legal recourse left when the "opposition party" won't oppose any more.

http://www.conventionofstates.com/

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 11:09 AM (nb5QL)

404 Maybe Corker has good reasons for wanting this treaty passed. Atomic DC suicide? We're pissed enough at the Saudis we'll let Teheran have em? Repressed Mojel Resentment Syndrome?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:10 AM (DL2i+)

405 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (St6BJ) Well, I was thinking "force" and "threat of force" but yeah, civility too I guess. Although I'd say our founding fathers generation was pretty fucking civil too...

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:10 AM (AkOaV)

406 "397 If an Iranian nuke goes off in DC should we go to war with them?

I'm not willing to waste my blood or my children's blood over it.

Posted by: Ken at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (LXJ1e)"



And today is the 40th anniversary of why you are correct.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 11:10 AM (KDbAT)

407 The only real dispute in Washington DC is which wing of the Uniparty gets to be on top.

Posted by: Buster Hyman at April 30, 2015 11:11 AM (5fSr7)

408 391 Troll. Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 04:03 PM (z/Ubi) Yes, but did you note for the record his "concern"? Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, People's Despotic Republic of Alextopia [ at April 30, 2015 04:07 PM (dJWs0) He's not even a concern troll he's a cowardly little bitch that comments and flees. He won't stick around to actually engage because he has to run off to his room and make sure Ted Cruz isn't under his bed and is gonna get him when he sleeps.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 11:11 AM (z/Ubi)

409 399 the republicans are all spineless assholes. why vote anymore? nothing changes. it sucks. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (ucDmr) So if they did a Freddie Gray, nothing would happen?

Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 11:11 AM (48QDY)

410 Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van. - What's black and blue and Gray all over?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 11:11 AM (LImiJ)

411 Doesn't Congress have to approve lifting of the sanctions and any money transfer to Iran?

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:12 AM (dBm7S)

412 You'd think that as a matter of random chance, that one time, JUST ONE FUCKING TIME, we would want to achieve an actual victory.

I mean, sure we'll lie and say we've won a major battle when we've completely rolled over and let our opponents shit on us for all the world to see... but as a matter of fucking pride, to prove we're not totally worthless zeta-male eunuchs, you'd think we'd actually like to achieve a real victory.

You'd think that... but apparently you are dead wrong.

Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 11:12 AM (1FyZ2)

413 403 This is about the only legal recourse left when the "opposition party" won't oppose any more. http://www.conventionofstates.com/ Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 04:09 PM (nb5QL) I'm all in favor of the process. My only concerns are a) getting the full range of amendments like the ones Levin spells out in his book, not just balanced budget b) Time - it takes time to get this going c) Even if we pass every amendment we want, what's to prevent the bastards in DC from ignoring them or having the courts - by then fully packed with Stalinists - overturn it all And if "C" happens, then all is really lost and the shooting will commence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:13 AM (St6BJ)

414 Posted by: Adjoran at April 30, 2015 04:04 PM (QIQ6j) Oh boy. I love that one. We're not worried about EOs declaring national holidays or EOs declaring flags go to half staff on a day, or even EOs renaming post offices and such. Which is 99% of EOs. We're just worried about the unconstitutional ones. Read through some EOs, they're all online. You'll see what we mean. Also, fuck off.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:13 AM (AkOaV)

415 Seems irrelevant given that the Israelis and he Arab coalition will be attacking Iran soon enough. Yemen is a practice run for the Arabs. There have been some reports that either the Saudis or even Israelis have been testing a natively-built bunker busters against the Houthis. Some of that footage is pretty compelling. It means they don't need Washington's bunker busters to get the job done.

Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 11:13 AM (YhayY)

416 410 What's black and blue and Gray all over? Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (LImiJ) A Roswell alien, post autopsy?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:14 AM (St6BJ)

417 Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:11 PM (LImiJ)

A Baltimore Policed Van?

That's gray all over the inside.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 11:14 AM (zRby/)

418 399 the republicans are all spineless assholes. why vote anymore? nothing changes. it sucks. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 04:08 PM (ucDmr) In a real sense, not much at all. Nationally. (Enter the ...but...but... JUDGES!! crowd.) Looking around, the the judges go Left no matter who appoints them. Go figure. The voting action seems like all on the State level. Where shit can still get done. There will come a day when State governments will tell the Feds to get fucked. Can't wait.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:15 AM (sdxPm)

419 Cheese-eating surrender monkeys - that's the GOP.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at April 30, 2015 11:15 AM (2TN4k)

420 I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but the Constitution has been shredded. Posted by: J.J. Sefton -------- Indeed. Remember the establishment of the Consumer Board? Paid directly from the Fed, appointed members, can sift through anyone's financial records at will, proposes laws that take effect unless 2/3rd majority of legislature votes it down. Completely unaccountable. Juuuuuuuuust a bit outside.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 11:16 AM (NHtMs)

421 409: nope nothing would happen and, nobody would miss em.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 11:16 AM (ucDmr)

422 Hmm, Israel vs. Iran. Sounds like....Armageddon?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at April 30, 2015 11:16 AM (nb5QL)

423 Analingus-that's gotta be Gaelic.

Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 11:16 AM (RJMhd)

424 415 Posted by: Naes at April 30, 2015 04:13 PM (YhayY) Ooh, those crafty hook-nosed semites! And where can we see this footage of Joo bunker-busters? BTW, my feeling is that there are Sayerit Matkal and Mossad forces already in country. Perhaps even arming some of the friendlier natives?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:16 AM (St6BJ)

425 Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:15 PM (sdxPm) Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:17 AM (AkOaV)

426

The debate over treaty vs. int'l exec. agreement is an old one - and for once, NOT an area where the current administration is really plowing new ground of extra- or un-constitutional behavior.

 

So there's a real, pre-existing quandary facing the GOP and (the few) sane-about-Iran Dems here.  Many robust opponents of this whole collapse on Iran policy have had concerns about the Corker-Menendez approach (or anything similar) in that it might end of lending validity to any agreement.

 

Both Adjoran and AllenG have key bits right here - exec. agreements like this are not new or facially unconstitutional, and the real power of Congress continues to lie in control of $$$ and - in this case, as important - any *legislated* elements of sanctions where the president has not been given discretionary waiver authority.

 

I have not been able to find out if the key parts of the US sanctions are in fact legislated (they should be, as implementing legislation, but could be covered by agency actions or other exec. orders).  So Congress can get a bite at the Iran apple, but it probably wouldn't involve any specific action WRT any exec. agreement. 

 

None of which, sadly, really addresses the *underlying* truth of ace's rant.  He might be off on the mechanics here, but there is no real reason to believe that the GOP would ever take a risk or break a sweat to do the right thing on any important issue.  And just to save time, no, actually winning a vote in either House or a veto over-ride fight is *not* the only way to "win", or more importantly to win over time and alter the public framework of debate. 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2015 11:17 AM (afQnV)

427 Adjoran is not a troll. He has commented here several times. He just has decided opinions which may not agree with that of others here. He is a regular poster on "The Other McCain" website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 11:17 AM (DXzRD)

428 423 Analingus-that's gotta be Gaelic. Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (RJMhd) Gay Lick?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:17 AM (St6BJ)

429 For me to vote for someone in '16, they'd have to walk in and takeover via a military coup. (oh wait then I won't have to vote)

Anyway. Only a strong President is going to do anything and what that is will depend on how they got there.

Good luck to you bitches in the future years. I figure when my medicare gets canceled, I'll be dead in 6 months so have a nice revolution.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 11:18 AM (zRby/)

430 Posted by: Daybrother at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (NHtMs) Yeah, that one took balls. Lots of balls.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:18 AM (AkOaV)

431 Does a ding-a-lingus perform that?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 30, 2015 11:19 AM (W5DcG)

432 You socons are against this bill because you are Islamophobic bigots. This is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 11:19 AM (xkSSa)

433 WANTED: Some dumb-a$$ chucklehead who will be willing to cover the taxes I currently provide to the US Gov't, since I'm leaving this country for good in about 2-3 months.  Should be Hardworking, Employed, Drug/Alcohol-free, Married with children or planning family, and Able to endure years of mindless denigration and physical abuse.  Send resume & work-history to: Mickey Shwarma, 1262 MoPac Hwy, Austin, TX

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 11:19 AM (8E9QA)

434 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (DXzRD) ...Okay... He's still dead wrong.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:19 AM (AkOaV)

435 Corker..., Corker...., where have I heard that name before? Oh yes...., he is one of the Republicans who voted to end the debate on Loretta Lynch's confirmation, thus insuring her confirmation. Because personal political expediency trumps the well-being of the Republic, and the faith of your constituency.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, disgustedly at April 30, 2015 11:19 AM (n6Nt0)

436 >>The debate over treaty vs. int'l exec. agreement is an old one - and for once, NOT an area where the current administration is really plowing new ground of extra- or un-constitutional behavior. >>So there's a real, pre-existing quandary facing the GOP and (the few) sane-about-Iran Dems here. Many robust opponents of this whole collapse on Iran policy have had concerns about the Corker-Menendez approach (or anything similar) in that it might end of lending validity to any agreement. Since 1939, the US has entered into over 17,000 Executive Agreements with foreign nations, and roughly 1000 treaties. Executive Agreements have been around pretty much since the founding of the nation and there is a fuzzy line dividing the two. It absolutely isn't clear that Congress would prevail that this Iran deal which is to remove sanctions in exchange for them stopping work on WMDs would qualify as a treaty and no doubt that Obama would declare this an EA. In fact, he already did.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 11:21 AM (g1DWB)

437 Every time the GOP does this bukkake theater I always say that it proves they are in collusion with the Left. But this one is so obvious as to leave no doubt at all. The GOP doesn't have to lift a finger and yet puts their advise and consent power on its head. They want those frozen billions as much as the leftists and don't care if we and the world go up in flames. This is the bitter end with the GOP, for me. I mean, the fucking end.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:21 AM (St6BJ)

438 427 Adjoran is not a troll. He has commented here several times. He just has decided opinions which may not agree with that of others here. He is a regular poster on "The Other McCain" website. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (DXzRD) He is a troll. And a little bitch.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 11:21 AM (z/Ubi)

439 425 Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 04:15 PM (sdxPm) Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one. Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (AkOaV) Probably right. Just wanting it. Too much feeding at the Washington trough, no doubt. I'm past the point of being ready to fight back, with the necessity of a certain win to come. I'm all in on just fighting back.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:21 AM (sdxPm)

440 JJ, have you been to/stayed at The 3 West Club? I have a conference there next month. I usually stay at the Waldorf.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 11:21 AM (yZqW5)

441 We're pretty much the equivalent of the stud varsity high school QB getting his ass handed to him everyday in the cafeteria, for his lunch money, by the 98 pound chess club, pocket protector wearing, Urkel-esque weakling.

Are the special interest bribes so good that it's worth bending over, time and time again, without lube, to the Dems?

Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 11:22 AM (1FyZ2)

442 440 JJ, have you been to/stayed at The 3 West Club? I have a conference there next month. I usually stay at the Waldorf. Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (yZqW5) Have no idea where/what it is. Let me Bing it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:22 AM (St6BJ)

443 351 Nothing like being in a Dem House district with two Dem senators. No representation (or at least no sane representation).

So who do I complain to? Governor Moonbeam?

me too... i suppose i could contact Mayor Garcetti....

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 11:22 AM (yi8ar)

444 "Are the special interest bribes so good that it's worth bending over, time and time again, without lube, to the Dems?

Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at April 30, 2015 04:22 PM (1FyZ2)"



I am willing to entertain other theories but for now, that is the one I am going with.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 30, 2015 11:23 AM (KDbAT)

445 Hmm, Israel vs. Iran. Sounds like....Armageddon? Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh -------- Shouldn't there be some Assyrians in the mix? Oh..., wait...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 30, 2015 11:23 AM (n6Nt0)

446 Wow the Horde is slipping...  no one linked the Howard Beale speech?

https://youtu.be/WINDtlPXmmE

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:23 AM (CwVOr)

447 Wow. It looks really nice. Right in the heart of Midtown. Will our paths be crossing, peut-etre?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:24 AM (St6BJ)

448 WNRC, National Women's Republican Club.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 11:24 AM (yZqW5)

449 You socons are against this bill because you are Islamophobic bigots. This is not the hill to die on. Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (xkSSa) Moo Moo wasn't available for this post?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:24 AM (dJWs0)

450 Double your IQ or NO money back!!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (l3vZN)

451 No less an intellectual light than Jennifer Rubin says we need this bill because: "Obama claims it is not a treaty and was not planning on submitting the deal at all but rather was aiming to unilaterally waive sanctions." I see. Might I suggest a course of action? Let him try and then f*ck his sh*t up. Then when the media says you're nasty-wasty bigots, explain to them that you are grown-ups and you don't have the luxury of worrying about name calling. Have Rand Paul ask them why they want Iran to have a nuke. Ask them if they really want to see Israel destroyed so much. Hell, tell them if they think American Fundamentalists are just the same as Iranian Fundamentalists, that they should be okay with us giving nuclear weapons to Fred Phelps.

Posted by: Glen at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (1x4u/)

452 The problem with Tennessee is open primaries. We end up with 2-3 strong conservatives, a moderate, and a left-moderate running for the Republican nomination. On the D side, it's a left-moderate versus a more-left-moderate. The democrat party discovered about 20 years ago that it can get it's people to vote in the republican primary and set up a win-win situation for them. That's how a guy who was in Mayors Against Illegal Guns was able to defeat *all* the pro-gun candidates in the republican gubernatorial primary in 2010. The state republican party leadership has *also* figured this out....and that's how they got in to office in the first place. So even here, in deep red Tennessee...we don't have conservatives running things.

Posted by: wizardpc at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (ovrZB)

453 Don't you understand? Congress isn't there for YOU, they aren't even there for the party.They're there to get what they can and get out without a subpoena or investigation happening.

To do that, they have to scratch a lot of backs, suck a bit of cock (or lick a little) and generally make themselves more trouble to go after than not by the guys on the big committees.

You all are a distant noise that has NO effect upon them or their decisions.

So lighten up, sit back and watch them blow us all to hell.

Ain't nothing you can do about it. 'cept to hope you can pick up the pieces afterwards and make some sort of living out of it.

The country's dead, this is just the rigor mortis setting in. the body moans and groans, the limbs move jerkily and maggots and worms crawl in and out of it.

It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (zRby/)

454 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (dJWs0) I believe oLHZx is the ugly bag-dress's hash.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (kff5f)

455 449 Moo Moo wasn't available for this post Did you use the Enigma machine to encode his handle?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:25 AM (St6BJ)

456
Good car chase.  Turned out it was a chick.  rare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2015 11:26 AM (ODxAs)

457 Conference is last week of May. My husband is co-chairing so I'm tagging along for support. There could be a moron meet.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 11:26 AM (yZqW5)

458 We only punch you because of love, baby.

Posted by: Your drunk GOP/e wearing a wife beater [/i] [/b] at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (NUCTk)

459 I believe oLHZx is the ugly bag-dress's hash. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (kff5f) I know. I just have a reflexive tic that whenever I see the term "SoCons" my derision gene kicks in

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (dJWs0)

460 Sefton, the non-sacred bovine uses a decoder ring he got out a box of Cracker Jacks thirty years ago.  He's too cheap to buy an Enigma machine since he is paying more taxes than anyone else on the planet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (CwVOr)

461 I didn't really think Oshithead could destroy this country. But, then again I had no idea he would have so many enablers. The only time the repubs fight is when they wanna ass fuck us first. They are all scumbags and thieves. The mafia couldn't do it this good.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (ucDmr)

462 Adjoran is not a troll. He has commented here several times. He just has decided opinions which may not agree with that of others here. He is a regular poster on "The Other McCain" website.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:17 PM (DXzRD)


He is a troll. And a little bitch.

Posted by: Buzzion

 

A big ole bitch. The clue was the gag line about "Congress having a voice". The only way sanctions come off legally is if Congress says so. They'd be giving that away. There will be no inspections. it should have been a dead letter then. Anyone who lived through the 70s and "trust but verify" recognizes this.

 

jef wants this farce AS Saudi Arabia and other nations are fighting Iranian proxies.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (Spluw)

463 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (g1DWB) How does that change anything? I'm not going to look up the 17,000 executive agreements, but I doubt they were anything like this. But even if they were, they were all unconstitutional. The constitution does not provide a framework for "executive agreements" It uses a word -- "treaty" -- which is pretty well understood by everyone who speaks English as a first, second, or third language.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (AkOaV)

464 I just have a reflexive tic that whenever I see the term "SoCons" my derision gene kicks in Fair enough.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:27 AM (kff5f)

465 Did you use the Enigma machine to encode his handle? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:25 PM (St6BJ) We only use that for pros. Amateurs get the Red Rider Secret Decoder Ring

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (dJWs0)

466 457 Conference is last week of May. My husband is co-chairing so I'm tagging along for support. There could be a moron meet. Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:26 PM (yZqW5) If it's the GOP, can I come in and yell obscenities at them? Seriously, maybe a mini-meet up can be arranged. I know CBD is planning a big one for late summer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (St6BJ)

467 449 You socons are against this bill because you are Islamophobic bigots. This is not the hill to die on. Posted by: Mr. 0LHZx 0LHZx at April 30, 2015 04:19 PM (xkSSa) Moo Moo wasn't available for this post? Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:24 PM (dJWs0) He's posting now as huck/akin 2016. You know as a way to insult all us huckabee and akin lovers here.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (z/Ubi)

468 465 Amateurs get the Red Rider Secret Decoder Ring Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (dJWs0) You'll put your eye out.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (St6BJ)

469 OT kinda: Washington (CNN)CNN has learned that U.S. Navy warships will now accompany every U.S.-flagged commercial vessel that passes through the Strait of Hormuz due to concerns that ships from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps navy could try to seize a U.S. cargo ship.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (LImiJ)

470 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (g1DWB He may have but does that give him the power to lift sanctions and transfer money to Iran? It was my understanding he does not have that power.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:28 AM (dBm7S)

471 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:21 PM (g1DWB) This is how they win. Step by step they set precedents, and every future president expands on those precedents and before you know it a President says "I can unilaterally lift sanctions against an enemy country who my predecessor called a member of the 'axis of evil', who has demonstrated time and again that they fund and work with terrorists, whose national motto is 'death to america, death to the jews' and who want a nuclear bomb." and people AGREE with him.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:29 AM (AkOaV)

472 Ha!! It's an investment banking thing. I'm gonna heckle. More the merrier.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 11:29 AM (yZqW5)

473 The Straits of Whore Moo Moo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:29 AM (St6BJ)

474 Fair enough. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:27 PM (kff5f) You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history on Twitter the other day though. That was...interesting.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:30 AM (dJWs0)

475 472 Ha!! It's an investment banking thing. I'm gonna heckle. More the merrier. Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 04:29 PM (yZqW5) Please ask all attendees to send $10000US via Western Union to cover all modalities. And . . . Remain Blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:30 AM (St6BJ)

476 Well that's nice, escorting ships.  But what will the ROE be?  Talk to the Iranians? Or more serious like Reagan's efforts?

Gyah where is Jerry Ford and his merchant ship rescue? 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:30 AM (CwVOr)

477 You'll put your eye out. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (St6BJ) Hey....drink more Ovaltine.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (dJWs0)

478 You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history on Twitter the other day though. That was...interesting. LOLWUT?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (kff5f)

479 I see Al has joined the fray in Baltimore...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (Bn6aD)

480 Seriously, NCKate. If you need any recommendations on places to eat or things off the beaten path (assuming you have time) let me know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (St6BJ)

481 If SoCons is so offensive, let's change it to ChakaCons? Chaka, Chaka, Chaka ChakaCons ChakaCons ChakaCons ChakaCons ChakaCons Let me rock you Let me rock you ChakaCons Let me rock you

Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (iQIUe)

482 LOLWUT? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (kff5f) *headdesk*

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:31 AM (dJWs0)

483 I see Al has joined the fray in Baltimore... Oh. Good. Things weren't burning fast enough.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (kff5f)

484 Good car chaser. Turned out it was a chick. rare. - Any car chase that ends and you can still identify the race or sex of the perp is not a good car chase.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (LImiJ)

485 If SoCons is so offensive, let's change it to ChakaCons? Chaka, Chaka, Chaka ChakaCons ChakaCons ChakaCons ChakaCons Posted by: Bruce J. at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (iQIUe) This is change I can believe in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (dJWs0)

486 Washington (CNN)CNN has learned that U.S. Navy warships will now accompany every U.S.-flagged commercial vessel that passes through the Strait of Hormuz due to concerns that ships from Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps navy could try to seize a U.S. cargo ship. Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:28 PM (LImiJ) How about just go get the one the Iranians already have?

Posted by: Golfman at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (48QDY)

487 479: He'll tell us what to do. More race baiting and tax evasion. Fuckin alien.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (ucDmr)

488 469:    so the Iranians can seize *both* vessels? because you know Obola won't let the USN hurt his pals...


Posted by: redc1c4 at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (yi8ar)

489 482 *headdesk* Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (dJWs0) Is that a Freddie Gray impersonation?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:32 AM (St6BJ)

490 479 I see Al has joined the fray in Baltimore... Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (Bn6aD That damned Franken oughta stay in Minnesota.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:33 AM (sdxPm)

491 OK...time to board the plane home. Be excellent to each other.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 30, 2015 11:33 AM (dJWs0)

492 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (dJWs0) Party on, dude.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:33 AM (kff5f)

493 Remember to keep flapping your arms there Sean.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:33 AM (CwVOr)

494 drudge has a headline that sharpton got in a physical altercation with a fox news reporter. ha.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (AkOaV)

495 Thanks, JJ, I will. Had the date wrong. Conference is in June.

Posted by: NCKate at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (yZqW5)

496 @410 - Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van. I saw a Baltimore native told this in an interview. She said she does not believe it. I suspect this will be the general reaction...not sure if this will cause a new round of riots or not....

Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (msAGT)

497 Posted by: The Great White Snark at April 30, 2015 04:32 PM (LImiJ) Car chases are the one time I would legally allow a one minute beat down of the perp after it ends.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (dBm7S)

498

Amateurs get the Red Rider Secret Decoder Ring

 

Mine must be broken.  No matter what I put in what comes out is "bewbs".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (JtwS4)

499

>>> Let these vile motherfuckers know WE WILL NOT BE LIED TO ANY LONGER.

 

 

I just think its funny how Libs then look at that kind of comment and have the gall to point and laugh

Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (3ZtZW)

500 I see Al has joined the fray in Baltimore... Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:31 PM (Bn6aD That damned Franken oughta stay in Minnesota. Roker will just dump on the place.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (sgrzZ)

501 493 Remember to keep flapping your arms there Sean. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:33 PM (CwVOr) Meh. Another washout. Later. Time to feed the kitties.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (St6BJ)

502 Because caring giver. http://www.kellybrook.com/gallery/calendar/466

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:34 AM (kff5f)

503 oh nevermind, i probably would have pushed the fox reporter too if he kept sticking his massive microphone in my face while im trying to look cool walking out of the building escorting the mayor and acting like her spokesman

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)

504 Are the special interest bribes so good that it's worth bending over, time and time again, without lube, to the Dems? Hey, we keep it on the down low, so we're totes not gay!

Posted by: Turtle and Boner at April 30, 2015 11:36 AM (vNzbV)

505 >>The constitution does not provide a framework for "executive agreements" >>It uses a word -- "treaty" -- which is pretty well understood by everyone who speaks English as a first, second, or third language. And I just noted that EAs have been around since the beginning of the Republic. If you have a complaint about them you've had over 200 years to make it. Obama stated earlier this year that he did his legal team did not consider this a treaty. He was going to go this alone. Is he a scumbag who loves to twist the law? Of course. Would he use any trick to try and get his way? When hasn't he. The proscribed route for deciding whether this is a treaty or an EA is the courts. Yea, goodie. The Senate has no ability on their own to declare this a treaty. What Obama proposed doing is a judgement of the executive branch, he wouldn't technically be breaking the law. So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 11:36 AM (g1DWB)

506 You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history on Twitter the other day though. That was...interesting.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 30, 2015 04:30 PM (dJWs0)


Good times, good times!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/u][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:36 AM (ftVQq)

507 I saw a Baltimore native told this in an interview. She said she does not believe it. I suspect this will be the general reaction...not sure if this will cause a new round of riots or not.... Posted by: Jen at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (msAGT) Bitter clingers - clinging to their EBT's and Obamaphones.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:37 AM (sdxPm)

508 Supposedly Grey didn't get injured during the arrest. His head injuries match the bolt on the door of the vehicle

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 11:37 AM (Bn6aD)

509 Submit the Alextopia Standard Form 2765-69 and in Block 11 cross out "Pizza" and write in "liger" Don't answer the door without a tranq gun.

Posted by: Papa Johns[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:37 AM (DL2i+)

510 You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history.. That sounds like fun, Bannion. ;^) What was he schooling you about?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 11:38 AM (DXzRD)

511 MOAR Caring Giver. Might be NSFW depending on your office. http://www.kellybrook.com/gallery/calendar/455

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:38 AM (kff5f)

512 http://www.kellybrook.com/gallery/calendar/466 This makes me feel sexually inadequate. Time to start a change.org petition outlawing calendars. #FUPAsupreme

Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2015 11:39 AM (vNzbV)

513 http://www.honolulustreetpulse.com/hottie-week-maryssa-briggs/#19288

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:40 AM (CwVOr)

514 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB) Jack, you *seem* to be missing the point. If Obama just unilaterally declared this an EA or whatever bullshit with his pen and phone, it would be easy and safe to ignore it. And it would put everything on him. What the Senate did was say, "hey Obama, we know we can't get 67 votes to ratify your treaty (I'm sorry, executive action), but we *can* get you 34. So what we'll do is pass a bill flipping the requirement. Deal?" And he said "okay, sounds good. Thanks for the fig leaf, dudes! Catch you on the golf course!" So instead of Congress saying, "fine, we wash our hands of this. Go ahead and act lawlessly, there's nothing we can do about it" they said "finne, we'll go along with this and give you cover. But we need to do it in a way to trick our dumbfuck base in to thinking we didnt fold for you. We'll pull some trickery in the Senate to make sure we get your treaty approved and make sure its binding."

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:40 AM (AkOaV)

515 Oh hey random question is there anything in writing with Iran yet? Is there even ONE (1) instance of anything working for US re: Iran since the IR other than blowing their shit up. Any deals, talks, etc.

Posted by: Papa Johns[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:40 AM (DL2i+)

516 510 You missed Ace schooling me on Catholic history.. That sounds like fun, Bannion. ;^) What was he schooling you about? Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 3 I believe it was some Pope they dug up after he was dead, and tried him for something, and killed him again. Back in the day. Probably.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:40 AM (sdxPm)

517

>>>> If an Iranian nuke goes off in DC should we go to war with them?

   I'm not willing to waste my blood or my children's blood over it.

 

 

This is the "inside out" part of the Dem/Radical strategy. Hollow out all nationally held values so nobody moves to stop the destruction.

 

No, they don't want a nuke in DC, but they do want their little revolution and they're well-nigh accomplishing that. I mean look, the silent majority sleeping bear should've woke up and ripped their faces off a couple years back but its all been neutered and rendered inert.

 

 

Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 11:40 AM (3ZtZW)

518 Mine must be broken. No matter what I put in what comes out is "bewbs". Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 30, 2015 04:34 PM (JtwS4) Funny, mine keeps giving me this: https://youtu.be/1H6W_z2XQq0

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 30, 2015 11:41 AM (mf5HN)

519 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (CwVOr) See, this is the kind of competition this blog needs.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - TrueCon at April 30, 2015 11:41 AM (kff5f)

520 So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it?

Posted by: JackStraw

 

Because it's a POS.

Because he will NOT take any changes.

Because he would gladly share the blame when the POS fails.

 

If Chicago jesus wants to do the Chicago way with a state sponsor of terrorism, then he's going to do that.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 11:41 AM (Spluw)

521 http://www.kellybrook.com/gallery/calendar/455 This is not Water Wise, and violates Jerry Brown's mandatory 25% water reduction order.

Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2015 11:42 AM (vNzbV)

522 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 04:40 PM (CwVOr) The tat is a deal breaker

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 11:42 AM (sgrzZ)

523 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB) Oh, and Congress won't be approving shit. What will happen is 35 Democrats will vote for it, the rest of the Senate will vote against it, then they'll go home and say "geez guys, we tried to stop it but we couldn't. Vote for us so we can stop things like this in the future!" And if its true that 200 years of presidents have made treaties without 2/3s of the Senates approval, then they're all null and void and should be revisited in the future. Because the President does not have the authority in the constitution to unilaterally create treaties with foreign countries. Namely because that binds future presidents and congresses with treaties that could drag us in to a war, and that were never approved of by the people. Thus the 2/3s requirement.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (AkOaV)

524 Damn, my hash is just - one- letter off from being - perfect.

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (sdxPm)

525 If the alternative is Obama doing a deal with zero Congressional The alternative is what has ALWAYS been the only solution. Congress Declares War + ends the IR.

Posted by: Papa Johns[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (DL2i+)

526 Well, I like Ace and I think he's quite clever and a very smart man, but I wouldn't take as absolute gospel the views of Catholicism by a man who thinks the word is "rosemary" beads instead of rosary beads, and I sure you don't either, Bannion.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (DXzRD)

527 @505 He can call it a potatoe for all I care. Sanctions were put in place by the legislative branch the executive has no authority or power to lift sanctions. Only congress can do that. Why are we even having this fucking circle jerk? It's all just so fucking pointless!

Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (M+ldm)

528 socialism, the opiate of the elitists asses Fixed.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 11:43 AM (kivUY)

529 Like many others here, I am not a Republican. But I tend to root for them over the Democrats because, hey, two party system and they are the "smaller government" wing. Now under this "leadership" the political part of Lincoln, the Grand Old Party made to abolish slavery will cease to exist. When a third party comes around that people will take seriously (remember Ross Perot?) and it stick around for a while the Republicans will have only fellow Republicans to blame. Sad.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 30, 2015 11:44 AM (XMX7O)

530 So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it? Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB) Because Obama can't get his deal with the Iranians unless Congress agrees to lift the sanctions and transfer money. If he wants that done he's going to have to show Congress whats in his EA bill or no bill.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:45 AM (dBm7S)

531 Please, let's not turn this thread into one revolving around Galileo. (See what I did there?)

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 11:45 AM (kivUY)

532 Winston is going to have a fine career.  Mariotta is going to be a bust.

There, I said it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

533 I still think this all a big Kabuki dance to distance ourselves from Israel, because we know Bibi is going to hit them. I don't believe it will work, as the Arabs will still burn shit in the streets and blame us.

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 11:46 AM (ztOda)

534 334, I'm glad you said it, I thought it!

Posted by: Carol at April 30, 2015 11:46 AM (sj3Ax)

535 The one thing the Constitution definitely did not provide for (though some of the Framers anticipated it), were leaders with neither scruples nor character to honor the oath they swore. But then again, we do have the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:47 AM (St6BJ)

536 Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (TOk1P) Winston will be in jail before Mariotta is out of the league.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 11:47 AM (sgrzZ)

537 531 Please, let's not turn this thread into one revolving around Galileo. (See what I did there?) Posted by: andycanuck at April 3 "Galileo,Galileo, Galileo, Figaro..."

Posted by: Kraken at April 30, 2015 11:47 AM (sdxPm)

538 AndyCanuck, a bit too Galileocentric there.  You mean Copernicus don't you?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:47 AM (CwVOr)

539

>>>> c) Even if we pass every amendment we want, what's to prevent the bastards in DC from ignoring them or having the courts - by then fully packed with Stalinists - overturn it all

 

Its a fools errand to begin with but to answer: NOTHING.

 

Yeah Levin's a "great one" and successfully sells a lot of books but he's wrong. Read up his critics  and start with Publius Hulda. He's flacking for the same crap the Leftists are and his proposed Amendments legalise all the graft and corruption he says he is fighting. We'd become fully and legally serfs under his proposals.

Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 11:47 AM (3ZtZW)

540 >>If Obama just unilaterally declared this an EA or whatever bullshit with his pen and phone, it would be easy and safe to ignore it. And it would put everything on him. No, actually I think you are missing the point. I'm interested in keeping Iran from getting a nuke, scoring points off Obama is a distant second issue on this topic. Nobody was going to ignore it, the Iranians would have gotten their sanctions relief and kept the centrifuges spinning. Have you noticed that we seem to have a president who with his phone and his pen ripped up our immigration laws? You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Congress will pass any bullshit deal that Kerry and Obama cook up. I don't think its quite that clear and I'm willing to see if Congress can derail it by making the most problematic parts of it public. Yes, I wish the bill had more teeth but Obama would have just vetoed it and continued on his merry way. The very worst outcome with this bill is every Republican votes against it, which they will if it is bad, and Obama gets the same bill. It was never going to be considered a treaty so stop pretending it was and talking about the Constitution and 67 votes. That shipped sailed months ago while hardly anyone was paying attention.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 11:48 AM (g1DWB)

541 533 I still think this all a big Kabuki dance to distance ourselves from Israel, because we know Bibi is going to hit them. I don't believe it will work, as the Arabs will still burn shit in the streets and blame us. Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (ztOda) What if Israel doesn't bomb Iran? At least at first. What if Israel is busy smuggling in arms, ammunition and stores to equip enough Iranians to raise hell with the Ayatollah's forces before bombing or setting off a few EMP's? Just a thought.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:49 AM (St6BJ)

542 I'm willing to stipulate that the Corker bill is mostly counterproductive, because it requires 67 votes to stop the treaty instead of requiring 67 to pass it.

But how can we say that "Without the Corker bill, Obama would need 67 Senate votes to pass his treaty"? Obama wouldn't even try to submit the Iran agreement to the Senate if he needed 67 votes to pass it. He'd just implement it as an executive agreement and say that Senate approval was unnecessary.

So I would say that the Corker bill means that the Iran agreement can be stopped with 67 votes in the Senate, whereas without the Corker bill, not even 100 votes in the Senate would be enough to stop the agreement.

Posted by: Joshua at April 30, 2015 11:49 AM (oCZ4e)

543 Is this art? Or is this fantasy?

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Eric-Yahnker-8.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:50 AM (CwVOr)

544 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB) How in the fuck is this bill going to help stop Iran from getting a nuke?

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:50 AM (dBm7S)

545 #538 Ace was attacking Catholics for defending the Church over Galileo on Twitter where someone (I don't think Ace) had been drawing analogies to Francis supporting the CAGW crap. Thus the Galileo reference.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 11:51 AM (kivUY)

546 539 Posted by: Bigby's Bad Manicure at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (3ZtZW) Disagree with you on your last point. It would take a majority of state legislatures to do what you say and it ain't gonna happen. I'm more concerned with the dissolution of our society from within that is happening at a pretty good clip. Fast enough to make Article V all but moot at this point.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 30, 2015 11:51 AM (St6BJ)

547 So when faced with those facts why wouldn't you try to get something, anything, that would get Obama to show the deal to Congress and have them review it?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:36 PM (g1DWB)
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Because you don't concede to what "he" decides to "call it".  Congress disagrees, calls it a "treaty", votes on it as a treaty and shoots it down. He bitches and hine "EA", and Congress says, "nah, treaty". Christ, that's POLITICS.  And if necessary, you take it to the courts.  Perhaps an injunction, maybe, in the interim? Sure the courts are lousy with lefties, and iran keeps on a pluggin' to da bomb. But so what?  You STILL fight his action, you don't roll over for it.  Your position is begging for scraps from his plate, which you still won't get - but he does appreciate the begging.

Posted by: Saltyron at April 30, 2015 11:53 AM (i6shs)

548

No, actually I think you are missing the point. I'm interested in keeping Iran from getting a nuke, scoring points off Obama is a distant second issue on this topic. Nobody was going to ignore it, the Iranians would have gotten their sanctions relief and kept the centrifuges spinning. Have you noticed that we seem to have a president who with his phone and his pen ripped up our immigration laws?

This POS will NOT stop Iran from obtaining nukes. And you just argued against yourself. JEF isn't going to deal with Congress or take their input.


You seem to think it is a forgone conclusion that Congress will pass any bullshit deal that Kerry and Obama cook up. I don't think its quite that clear and I'm willing to see if Congress can derail it by making the most problematic parts of it public.

Ya, we do. Kinda like how we just watched the funding bills and the latest confirmation hearing.

Yes, I wish the bill had more teeth but Obama would have just vetoed it and continued on his merry way. The very worst outcome with this bill is every Republican votes against it, which they will if it is bad, and Obama gets the same bill.

 

The worst outcome is that obama gets the same bill, and the stupid party is seen as being a party to it. We've seen repteadly that some of the RINOs will vote for JEFs shit.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 11:53 AM (Spluw)

549 Posted by: Joshua at April 30, 2015 04:49 PM (oC Again, Obama can't implement the two crucial parts of his proposed agreement with Iran without Congress's approval. EA or not.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 11:53 AM (dBm7S)

550 Because Joshua, Obama can't end the sanction regime by EA, it's law. Only Congress can. This bill surrenders that Hill, unfought.

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 11:54 AM (ztOda)

551 Is Ace out having a twitter war?

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 11:55 AM (Bn6aD)

552 Again, Obama can't implement the two crucial parts of his proposed agreement with Iran without Congress's approval. EA or not.

Posted by: Cruzinator

 

This. Right. Here.

 

obama has only a POS like all of his budgets or his first obamacare bill. Everything he's submitted has been juvenile trash. The only way this works is if Congress cedes what little authority it has left.

 

But these vermin would rather be the EU Congress in Brussels.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 30, 2015 11:56 AM (Spluw)

553 >>How in the fuck is this bill going to help stop Iran from getting a nuke? By cratering this bullshit deal and going the other direction with crushing sanctions and demands that Iran stop sponsoring terrorism which is exactly what was being pushed in Congress. That was the whole reason for Netanyahu's speech to Congress. The odds are probably not in our favor but some chance is better than no chance which is what Obama was threatening.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 11:57 AM (g1DWB)

554 Thanks for the info re. Ace and fights over religion It seems to me from the reading I have done about it, that people who aren't RC and aren't even religious at all just get major facts wrong about Galileo and the church response to him. They see it as simply black and white when it was not He was always a faithful member of the church and his daughter was a nun. Perhaps some RCs don't even know it: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-galileo-controversy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 11:57 AM (DXzRD)

555 AndyCanuck -  Did anyone ask Cromwell's head on a pike about it?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 11:57 AM (CwVOr)

556 No, actually I think you are missing the point. I'm interested in keeping Iran from getting a nuke, scoring points off Obama is a distant second issue on this topic.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB)
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No, YOU are certainly missing the point, which is - its too late for that now.  2008 and 2012 were the best chances to stop it. Barry's in, and he does as he pleases. And the Repubs pretend to oppose it.  Don't like it? Get used to radioactivity.

Posted by: Saltyron at April 30, 2015 11:57 AM (i6shs)

557 I am not aware of any f-bomb ban.

Ace does not like us to use "c--t" and the n-word WILL get you banned.

Funny.  In films, violence is OK is Spain but not sex.  In Sweden, sex is OK, but not violence.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 11:58 AM (V70Uh)

558 You know any Senator can read the text of the "agreement" into the record, call it a treaty and schedule a vote. A vote Obama will lose. Which is probably why there isn't anything written down.

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2015 11:58 AM (ztOda)

559 Adjoran is not a troll. He always breaks the 3 strikes rule. 1. He's wrong. 2. He's insulting. 3. And worst HE ISN'T FUNNY. ignore_user()

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 11:58 AM (DL2i+)

560

@433 Mickey Shwarma

 

"..since I'm leaving this country for good in about 2-3 months."

 

Welcome to the club.  We got jackets.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 30, 2015 11:59 AM (5Gy2K)

561 551 Is Ace out having a twitter war? Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 04:55 PM (Bn6aD) He's working on getting beach body ready. London Boys World Tour this summer.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at April 30, 2015 11:59 AM (vgIRn)

562 @550 Jean actually a lot of the sanctions the President can waiver. Not even an executive order. The authority is in the legislation. But some he can't. And the UN ones need a UNSC resolution.

Posted by: blaster at April 30, 2015 11:59 AM (kGsA2)

563 One possibility is it is a delay tactic. The Intel community thinks Iran could acquire capabilities in three months, congress debating the "bill" would at least leave the current sanctions in place for the duration of the debate. That a president can unilaterally lift the sanctions and usurp the will of congress probably falls under the protection of the non ruling of the Supreme Court excuse book- the old political question tap dance.

Posted by: Hillary's talking pant suit at April 30, 2015 12:00 PM (RJMhd)

564 Is Ace out having a twitter war? No. It was just four or so tweets yesterday or earlier this morning. I'm also guessing that's what Bannion was referring to; I didn't note any twitter handles related to the spat.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 12:00 PM (kivUY)

565 I am so glad that (at least so far) I have not developed an addiction to Twitter-or even know how to use it. Other aspects of my participation on the internet are addictive enough, but 140 character arguments with various loons on Twitter would be even worse.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 12:00 PM (DXzRD)

566 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (DXzRD)

"Eppur si muove!"

Posted by: Hrothgar [/u][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 12:00 PM (ftVQq)

567 >>Again, Obama can't implement the two crucial parts of his proposed agreement with Iran without Congress's approval. EA or not. You might want to check with the Congressional Research Service. They don't agree with you.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 12:01 PM (g1DWB)

568 Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 04:46 PM (TOk1P)

Winston will be in jail before Mariotta is out of the league.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 04:47 PM (sgrzZ)



Nah, he's really not a bad kid.  All that nonsense was less than it was made out to be.  All year long people  kept saying that, and I didn't believe it,  but the more you see of him, and if anyone is paying attention to this draft nonsense, you can't help but see a ton of him, he's alright.  Maybe a bit immature, but he's got a real sharp football mind.  That  may  sound like it's not a compliment, but really it is. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 12:01 PM (TOk1P)

569 3. And worst HE ISN'T FUNNY. ignore_user() Posted by: DaveA at April 30, 2015 04:58 PM (DL2i+) I was told there would be no humor on this blog...

Posted by: the person who usually thinks there is no math on this blog at April 30, 2015 12:01 PM (yRwC8)

570 Did anyone ask Cromwell's head on a pike about it? Thomas or Oliver, Anna?

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 12:02 PM (kivUY)

571 More like a Twitter "border incursion" or a Twitter "police action."


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 12:02 PM (V70Uh)

572 I see mickey mooore is calling for the dis-banding of all Police... That should work out well...

Posted by: hello, it's Me Donna ....again at April 30, 2015 12:02 PM (Bn6aD)

573 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:57 PM (g1DWB I would agree with you if this bill would crater Obama's proposed EA but unless I'm missing something they could have cratered it by simply not voting to lift the sanctions or make any money transfer, which is solely Congress's power. Did we not have the votes to maintain the sanctions?

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:02 PM (dBm7S)

574 Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (TOk1P) A bit immature? Give him a ton of money and the insuring "posse" and wait.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 12:03 PM (sgrzZ)

575 Fenelonspoke, its all about the narrative of the Roman Catholic Church is a big scary nefarious entity that must be destroyed.  Far too many have bought into it and thus cling to the notions like a child does to a favourite toy.

Galileo or the Crusades, anything that can be distorted and lied about to diminish the authority of what is considered an enemy is totes Tayiqaa.  While ignoring the tidal wave of ignorance that has followed Islam everywhere save briefly in Andalusia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 12:04 PM (CwVOr)

576 >>I would agree with you if this bill would crater Obama's proposed EA but unless I'm missing something they could have cratered it by simply not voting to lift the sanctions or make any money transfer, which is solely Congress's power. Did we not have the votes to maintain the sanctions? Have you ever read the language in the sanctions bills? Each and every one has language which allows Obama to suspend the sanctions for up to 6 months at a time. He can wave the sanctions at any time.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 12:05 PM (g1DWB)

577 Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 05:02 PM (dBm7S)

It's cute that you still think the best professional politicians money can buy will try to retain Congress' Constitutionally mandated power, when they can make a lot more money by simply not doing their jobs!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/u][/i][/b][/s] at April 30, 2015 12:05 PM (ftVQq)

578 Need don't need much police in the civilized neighborhoods.  Without the police, the barbarian neighborhoods would be up in flames.

Oh.  There I go again with those racist white cis-normative Western values.




Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 12:05 PM (V70Uh)

579 Marches starting in Baltimore and Philly... I'm no fan of police brutality, but the one thing I know for sure is that if I were a cop, there is no way I could put up with what these guys do without beating on some thug. Some punk throws a brick at me and a few minutes later I've got by the neck - time to have a body camera malfunction.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2015 12:06 PM (9ZZd+)

580 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (g1DWB You're telling me that the CRC says Obama can unilaterally lift the Sanctions on Iran?

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:06 PM (dBm7S)

581 I agree with you, AnnaPuma, but you said it much better than I would have..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 30, 2015 12:06 PM (DXzRD)

582 I was speaking of Ol' Oliver.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2015 12:06 PM (CwVOr)

583 Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 05:01 PM (TOk1P)

A bit immature? Give him a ton of money and the insuring "posse" and wait.

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 05:03 PM (sgrzZ)



I don't think so.  He loves football too much.  Again, that may sound stupid, but I really think he's got whatever drive one needs to excel.  Honestly, he gets beat by  Mariotta in  the physical department, but Mariotta is a robot.  Winston  looks like a good combination of skill, talent, and game knowledge. 



We shall see. 

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 12:07 PM (TOk1P)

584 Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2015 05:07 PM (TOk1P) Some said the same about Johnny Football

Posted by: wrg500 at April 30, 2015 12:08 PM (sgrzZ)

585 Can I say something here (I really should do it at the guilty sites but usually I don't want to bother signing up just for one post that essentially calls them adolescents) but anyone who operates a blog or site of any kind at all that uses a black background is showing themselves to be a retard on so many levels.

1) I guess they think it's cool because the "establishment always shows stuff in black on white.
2) Sometimes they won't even use white foreground but some OTHER dark color making their site unintelligible.
3) Maybe they're doing this to screen out old foagies like me?
4) Programmers do this a lot also and most of them are young
5) Gamers also do this a lot

It's like if you want to stick it to the man, that's fine but why make the words and work you spent time putting together almost impossible for anyone to read clearly without a headache? (see #3)

So all I have to say to those of you who use a black background and a white or some other crappy color for the letters, FCUK YOU AND YOUR STUPID GIMMICK! It look juvenile, looks like you're making some nasty point by dissing anyone who tries to read what you've written. (and I wonder sometimes why I do and sometimes I do just cut it off)

guess what kiddies, I just click on view->page style-> no style and all your effort to obfuscate or coolinize your site goes poof and you now have an old man reading your juvenile thoughts wondering why he bothered.

/black background rant off

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 30, 2015 12:08 PM (zRby/)

586 >>You're telling me that the CRC says Obama can unilaterally lift the Sanctions on Iran? Yes, thats exactly what I'm telling you. Read for yourself, particularly Section 2 C. The section titled Waiver. http://tinyurl.com/o8sukgg

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 12:09 PM (g1DWB)

587 Ryan Leaf comes to mind.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 30, 2015 12:09 PM (V70Uh)

588 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:05 PM (g1DWB No I have not read the sanction bills and if that is accurate then my point is moot and Congress is dumber than I thought they were if that's possible.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:09 PM (dBm7S)

589 Nam Nood

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2015 12:09 PM (pMGkg)

590 Nood and very, very tiny print re. the Fall of Saigon.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 30, 2015 12:09 PM (kivUY)

591 >>No I have not read the sanction bills and if that is accurate then my point is moot and Congress is dumber than I thought they were if that's possible. Possibly. But this sanction passed Congress in 1996.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 12:11 PM (g1DWB)

592 I know theres a nood but... Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 04:48 PM (g1DWB) We shall see. I guarantee you that this will pass, without any oversight whatsoever, and that McConnell and Reid already know who they're going to make / allow vote for and who they will let vote against it. This was never an effort to stop Iran from getting a nuke, this was the Senate giving O their blessing to allow the Iranians to nuke up. Watch it play out. Trust me.

Posted by: mynewhandle at April 30, 2015 12:12 PM (AkOaV)

593 Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 05:11 PM (g1DWB I don't care which Congress passed it, to shift your powers to another branch is foolhardy.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:15 PM (dBm7S)

594 Ace is out storming the castle.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2015 12:16 PM (uhftQ)

595 @Buckeye Abroad

"Welcome to the club. We got jackets."

Excellent! If they're stretchable, I'll take a medium!

Posted by: Mickey Shwarma at April 30, 2015 12:17 PM (8E9QA)

596 They get worse and worse. For two cycles I have voted for the moderate R under the philosophy that to stay home is basically handing a liberal Democrat a free vote. And who would you rather have picking supreme court justices, and all that. I did decide a few years ago that I flat out would not support anyone pro-amnesty the next time around, no matter the ramifications. That is rapidly changing to not supporting anyone who has that RINO stench. Nobody cares what I do, but I have a sense that there could be many, many out there who are just about burnt krispy with the concept of having no real option other than holding your nose and voting for the R.

Posted by: RM at April 30, 2015 12:18 PM (fRppw)

597 " it would be easy and safe to ignore it." *ctrl-f 'Security Council'* *Not found* Here's the point: 1. American sanctions on Iran aren't the important ones. The UN ones are. We didn't do much business with Iran anyway. Restricting Europe, Russia, and China from doing it was always the bigger deal. Bush worked his ass off to get them to agree to THAT much. 2. Without the Corker Bill, Obama would claim this is an EA- and then, would go to the Security Council, and get them to revoke the sanctions. And there's no politically viable way to stop him. Someone would raise the motion, even if we physically barred the US representative from getting in the door. Unless we somehow compelled Obama to veto the resolution, it would pass. 3. The Security Council will revoke the sanctions if any deal is reached. 4. Once revoked, they can't be imposed again, because Russia and China, despite Obama's dick-waving about snap-back. 5. Once gone from the Security Council, the sanctions are gone for good. We can impose all the sanctions we like unilaterally but it will have no impact. 6. So the Republican would get elected, revoke the EA, and the US would be alone in imposing sanctions. Iran would lose very little and claim we violated the deal so they would throw out the inspectors with a pretense rather than without a pretense (which makes it much harder for us to declare war on them, in the screwed-up world the Europeans like to live in.) 7. Therefore, the Corker Bill- although it sucks- is the only chance we have of keeping sanctions in place. Corker said it himself- that what mattered was stopping the president from reaching the U.N. with this deal. He can bypass congress if they stand still, because they're not united enough to force him back. Time is too limited to build a consensus to do anything more than the Corker bill- it would require 67% of the vote, and Corker was barely able to get them to agree to his bill. Either way, because he's not submitting it as a treaty, the next president can STILL undo it- but by that point, it's too late. The deal can't be undone unilaterally once done. But we have small chance to PREVENT it from ever being done with the Corker bill- versus a ZERO percent chance to prevent it from being done. Can Obama still bypass Congress and go to the U.N. if Congress disapproves the Corker bill? Yes. But there's a chance he won't do that- because it would destroy the Democratic Party, particularly Hillary, and even democrats would begin considering impeachment at that point. It would produce a backlash against the U.N., and Democrats know how much they need the U.N. if they want to keep backdooring their agenda into place. Supporting the Corker bill guarantees we have at least a chance to win the war here, and gives us a few battles we're almost sure to win on the path to a possible victory in stopping the Iran deal. Oppossing the Corker bill guarantees a loss in the war to stop the Iran deal, because Obama in the Imperial Presidency, holds all the cards. Constitutionally, he shouldn't, but we don't have the time to build a consensus or the legal standing to hold him accountable for it.

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 12:20 PM (Qerbt)

598 I've read the link now and I believe its subject to dispute to just how much unilateral power and scope the President has in regard to waiving the Sanctions against Iran. That the CRC has made their interpretation is just another unfortunate political game.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:21 PM (dBm7S)

599 Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 05:20 PM (Qerbt) The second prong to that agreement is a big chunk of money which the United States is the big player.

Posted by: Cruzinator at April 30, 2015 12:24 PM (dBm7S)

600 Cruzinator: Understood, but economic growth from sanctions relief would eclipse that very quickly. In 2000 and in non-oil-boom years, they grew at about 5% per year; right now they're shrinking at 6% per year. GDP right now is 389 billion, rounded. Even ignoring their GDP shrinking right now, if it goes from 0-5%, the $50 billion they WOULD get from us gets outmatched in 3 years by the economic growth from sanctions relief. Keeping the sanctions in place is the big part. The money is big, yes. It's massive for them, yes, but nowhere NEAR as big as the sanctions. It's the difference between the Hiroshima bomb and a hydrogen bomb; a complete difference in scope and scale.

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 12:37 PM (Qerbt)

601 Six hundred one. I wonder if that's even close to the record.

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at April 30, 2015 12:47 PM (XMX7O)

602 Iran has scores of billions in frozen assets. Donors have been promised a cut once the assets are unfrozen. Obama is probably hooking a few of the Repubiks with the donors. That is why the Repubik leadership is in on the deal--they need donor money in the primaries to beat the rubes that make up their base.

Posted by: Scoob at April 30, 2015 12:48 PM (BFk4h)

603 Best Far Side ever - the lemming with the inner tube.

Posted by: AnthonyB at April 30, 2015 12:57 PM (C8Q5F)

604 @598 There is no dispute, he doesn't have any unilateral power. And anyone who reads the waiver sections and thinks that the SCOAMF can just waive it all away is a mendacious lick spittle. This is all absurd anyway that we are at this moment.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 30, 2015 12:57 PM (M+ldm)

605 "Because if they had the least respect for us, they'd explain their reasons for disagreeing with us, rather than tricking us, yet again, like we're a pack of unruly Retarded Children who must be tricked into going to the doctor."

Actually, we just like lying to you peasants, and you are so fun - and easy - to trick.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at April 30, 2015 12:58 PM (amQXf)

606 >>And anyone who reads the waiver sections and thinks that the SCOAMF can just waive it all away is a mendacious lick spittle. You do realize he's already done it, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 01:01 PM (g1DWB)

607

An earlier commenter asked, and it still has not been answered:

Why is AIPAC supporting this?

My understanding is that something is better than nothing. At least, this would give Congress a chance to comment, and then Obama would be forced to veto Congress.

The alternative is not Congress doing nothing and thereby blocking Obama. The alternative is Congress doing nothing and then Obama saying this is not a treaty and then doing whatever the heck he pleases.

If Obama were a president that would respect this as a treaty, the argument works. But he is not that president.

 

Posted by: Dan at April 30, 2015 01:16 PM (WxnAZ)

608 "And anyone who reads the waiver sections and thinks that the SCOAMF can just waive it all away is a mendacious lick spittle. " When he says he does, and goes to the UN security council and passes the deal there, destroying the international sanctions that are doing 95% of the damage to Iran's economy right now, who's going to stop him, and how?

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 01:31 PM (Qerbt)

609 The only answer we have right now is 'the corker bill'. It sucks, it's a bad option, we shouldn't be forced into settling for that little and he's way out of line, yes. But the will to stop him doesn't exist right now in the country and we don't have time to build it before Iran gets irrevocably on the path to the bomb.

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 01:32 PM (Qerbt)

610 >>When he says he does, and goes to the UN security council and passes the deal there, destroying the international sanctions that are doing 95% of the damage to Iran's economy right now, who's going to stop him, and how? He's already given them about $9 billion since 2013 so the idea that he can't or won't unilaterally release frozen assets is just wrong.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 01:35 PM (g1DWB)

611 "He's already given them about $9 billion since 2013 so the idea that he can't or won't unilaterally release frozen assets is just wrong. " The frozen assets are irrelevant. $50 billion would be eclipsed by the economic growth from the release of the international sanctions very quickly. Pre the current bush-imposed sanctions, Iran's economy grew at ~5% per year. Right now it's shrinking at 6% per year. Even ignoring the shrinkage currently, going from 0 to 5% means at 389 billion GDP they'll earn $50 billion from THAT in 3 years; and ~$200 billion over 10 years. The sanctions matter a LOT more than the frozen assets. He might be able to release the assets unilaterally, but he can't go to the U.N. unless a deal is struck and he can (at least temporarily) waive sanctions. If he can't even temporarily waive sanctions (because Congress has stopped him) then he can't declare the deal complete and struck and get the sanctions lifted. He COULD go to the U.N. unilaterally, but as I said above, that'd destroy the credibility and tolerance of the U.N. in the U.S., and the Dems know they need that for backdooring in their pet projects.

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 01:42 PM (Qerbt)

612 Anyone who lies for political reasons is automatically suspect thereafter. Gosh, it's a good thing Ace has never lied for political reasons.

Posted by: Ace's Brain Tumor at April 30, 2015 01:42 PM (kNw9i)

613 >>The frozen assets are irrelevant. Not really. They were part of an easing of certain sanctions.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 30, 2015 01:46 PM (g1DWB)

614

Israel could stop the Corker bill any time through AIPAC, right? The fact that they aren't says something. If AIPAC went against it, the Corker bill would be done.

If Obama just announced one day that sanctions are off, would/could the Repubs do anything?

"Doesn't count" they would say to an empty room because the media is in the bag for Obama.

Soft diplomacy is the all the right actually has, since they aren't willing to shut down the government.

I think the right needs to admit total and utter defeat. From this will flow actual power for the first time.

How? Freed from any notions that they hold partial power, they can speak the black truths on topics such as race, gender, demographic trends and much else, destroying American optimism and moving the Overton window sharply. Black pessimism is the starting point. From there moderate Democrats themselves will implement conservative policies. Democrat mayors cracked down on crime in the 1990s as their cities lay in ruins.

Nigel Farage has been arguably more powerful in the UK than any conservative on the right in America, even though Nigel Farage has no official power.

 

Posted by: Dan at April 30, 2015 01:46 PM (WxnAZ)

615 "Not really. They were part of an easing of certain sanctions" I meant, they don't matter in the long run. What matters is: if you stop the waiving of the sanctions, you stop the end of the international sanctions. If you stop the end of the international sanctions, you kill the deal. Releasing assets is bundled in with waiving sanctions, but it doesn't matter on its own; even if he did it individually, it wouldn't put the deal forward. All of the other sanctions have to be waived to kill the international sanctions. And releasing the assets doesn't help or stop him doing that.

Posted by: Zack at April 30, 2015 01:51 PM (Qerbt)

616 I think you mean to say "actually voting with him" You said, "...permit them to appear to be voting against him, when they're actually voting against him."

Posted by: bour3 at April 30, 2015 02:06 PM (5x3+2)

617 I'd call my senators, but I know Scott won't vote for the POS. However, Ms. Graham will and it's no use in talking to the broad.

Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 02:34 PM (SNY8a)

618 An idea -- instead of talking it to death, how about we form ANOTHER PARTY? No more talking, I hereby form the ITOTS party. As in I'm Tired of This S---t party. How's about it?

Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 02:37 PM (SNY8a)

619 I loathe the establishment republicans. They're as disgusting as the progressives.

Posted by: KR1 at April 30, 2015 02:38 PM (SNY8a)

620 I'm a fairly cynical person, but I can't get over my shock at how quickly the GOP has devolved into the Fascist Too party. I don't know what's to become of us.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at April 30, 2015 02:51 PM (8W5zZ)

621 "The Republicans can advance a false narrative just as easily as the left. "Akin was a Tea Party candidate" is as accurate as "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot.""

Akin was the fault of Anti-Establishments who insisted that he could still win after he opened his mouth but was stabbed in the back by the Establishment.  You better support him!, they cried, while smarter people saw the trainwreck.  You know, cause Hill to Die On or something.  They're the same people who insist that O'Donnell was stabbed in the back, (and hey, her failed candidacy actually helped others somehow!)

Seriously can't wait until the New Party forms.  It'll be pretty funny when old habits start accusing people of being Establishment in a newly created party.

I don't even know why we're talking about old Tea Party vs Establishment Republicans thing anymore.  Who are these Tea Party Republicans we should support?  Apparently no one, so whatever.  Leadership sucks but I'm not hearing any up-and-comer who's shaking things up.

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 30, 2015 04:16 PM (EQcfE)

622 None of the shitheads will take emails from anyone outside their voting areas.

Posted by: torabora at April 30, 2015 06:53 PM (62AK9)

623 Shithead = United States Senator

Posted by: torabora at April 30, 2015 06:54 PM (62AK9)

624 Who said shithead? hic!

Posted by: Shithead Boehner at April 30, 2015 06:55 PM (62AK9)

625 Hell yes! Preach it, brother, and yes, I am communicating that to my two NC senators regularly!

Posted by: bworei at April 30, 2015 07:33 PM (zZNYZ)

626 Used to exist a site (couple actually 2+) who would email a personalized message to all congressmen, for a reasonable price. Anyone know a site like this?

Posted by: chillguy33 at May 02, 2015 09:12 AM (WtlR0)

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