May 30, 2013

RedEye Gang Not Sold on Outrage Over Adam Levine "I Hate This Country" Comment
— Ace

I'm skeptical myself, of this and the Lena Dunham outrage. And that's because I've seen this before, and I've seen this sort of ginned-up outrage directed at us, and it seems to me to be an unfair tactic.

Let's look at the left-wing version of faux outrage. The left is convinced that the right is racist. Every single person on the right is racist. They are convinced of this.

This is a conclusion which only needs to go looking for some evidence to support it. And it does go looking, and when evidence is constantly being sought, and the flimsiness of this evidence does not matter, it will be found.

So, for example -- but this could apply to any of ten thousand recent cases -- the left is convinced that Rick Perry is racist, because 1, he's from Texas, 2, he's white, and 3, he's Republican. The left knows he's racist. To make their belief a story, they need only strike upon some chintzy proof of it.

Lo and behold, they find that he once vacationed at a place which once, in its past (before Perry had vacationed there), had a rock on the property upon which was written a racial slur.

Now this becomes a Big Story. But note the actual story itself is ludicrous. The story itself is not a story. It's only pretended to be a story because the charge it supposedly proves-- Rick Perry is a kissing cousin of a Klansman -- would itself be a Big Story, were it proved.

I see the same thing going on with Adam Levine and Lena Dunham in their two recent gaffes. Levine said "I hate this country" after televoters watching his show voted against him; Lena Dunham tweeted some idiotic over-sharing posts about peeing in various Starbucks, and then added "Happy Memorial Day" to one.

The right believes Adam Levine is a lefty. They are right in that belief. The right also believes that Lena Dunham is a lefty, and, furthermore, over-praised and over-promoted because of her leftism as well as her political usefulness to the left (Girlz can be funny!!!11!). They are right about that.

Now, the right almost certainly further believes that Adam Levine is one of those lefties who is always willing to run down his country as a shibboleth which increases his own Social Worth among other leftists for whom running down America constitutes a Conspicuous Signifier of Value. The right is almost certainly right about this; if I were a betting man, and if this could be proved one way or the other, I'd bet a pretty good sum of money on the truth of this proposition.

And the right believes that Lena Dunham probably doesn't even know what Memorial Day is memorializing, and that she is probably one of those idiots who will say, with all sincerity, that the Courage of the Artist is greater than a soldier's courage (I mean, soldiers didn't even go to college, as John Carry could tell you). The right believes, as a general matter, that Lena Dunham's cultural loyalty is to the culture of transgression/tearing down traditional values.

And, again, were I a betting man, I would bet a large amount of money that the right is completely 100% right about this proposition.

Nevertheless, while I think the right's briefs on Dunham and Levine are completely accurate, the evidence that we're currently talking up to advance these briefs is pretty thin. We would almost certainly be annoyed if the left were to use evidence of such slender import to "prove" that someone on the right was racist, or anti-woman, or Islamophobic, or whatever else.

We would object, rightly, that such "evidence" is hardly evidence at all, and merely is a pretext to begin once again talking up long-held but thinly-evidenced conclusions about Mr. Such-and-Such's racism.

And that this sort of evidence is only being dignified with that descriptor because it fits what the left thinks it already knows about Mr. Such-and-Such. It's the sort of evidence that the Italian justice system would permit, calling it "not incompatible" with the theory to be proven, but few other first-world justice systems.

(Think about how weak and strange that formulation is: "Evidence" which is "not incompatible" with a theory can be admitted as evidence. Like, for example, a man's possession of pornographic magazines can be (and has been) introduced as evidence that he may be a serial killer targeting women, because possession of porno mags is "not incompatible" with the theory that he butchers women on dark nights.)

I do think that Adam Levine is probably just what those outraged about his comments think he is, but the evidence here that we're using to hang him is so weak I just wouldn't permit it at trial.

I should also say that since Obama has been elected -- twice -- my very own estimation of this country has declined. I imagine that's true for many of you, as well, so I'm not sure what we'd be proving here even were we to prove it.

And I do think that Lena Dunham is a soft-headed, morally stupid, unserious, over-promoted narcissist. I would be surprised if she knew the point of Memorial Day, apart from "free day off!" and "barbeque."

Nevertheless, I think it's an enormous leap to think that this woman actually intended to denigrate Memorial Day by mentioning it in a tweet that also mentioned her weak bladder and peeing at Starbucks. I think that she just doesn't really even know anything about the holiday, and, while I suppose some might assign some blame in that, I'd also have to say that in this regard she is scarcely different from 35-45% of the country. So I don't see the big deal.

Again, I do agree with the right's basic take on these individuals. But I think the evidence is being trumped-up and taken to mean much more than it actually does, just because we know these things about Levine and Dunham.

And since we know these things, who cares how thin the evidence is?

Well the difference is, it seems to me, that we could have said all these same things about Adam Levine and Lena Dunham last week, too, with just as much evidence. The "evidence" that offers a new opportunity to discuss this stuff isn't really evidence at all; it's just a fresh opportunity to say things we already believed.

It's a pretext for revising old briefs and cherished beliefs-- just as the left seized upon Rick Perry's ancient vacation records to talk up its "Racist Republican" talking point.

And so I think it's a bit dishonest. We're not really jumping on Dunham and Levine and these comments, per se; we're jumping on these comments because we already figured them out, and already didn't like 'em.

Just to prove that, and the insignificance of the comments themselves: Had the Voice's voters voted Levine's way, and had he said instead "I love this country," would we have taken that as a sign of patriotism?

No. It's an empty remark.

And if Dunham had simply posted "Happy Memorial Day" in a freestanding tweet, without any other statement, no mentions of peeing at Starbucks, would we have looked at that and said, "Why, she's much more patriotic than I ever imagined!"

No. Again, it would have just been a fairly empty statement telling us nothing much at all.

Although I think I'm right about all of this, I continue to wonder whether we should trouble ourselves to be honest in cases like this. We all know the left doesn't. We all know the left seizes upon every pretext and every meaningless thing to "prove" its theory of Hatred and Racism and Evil at the heart of every conservative.

They've set the rules -- and as they own the media, which provides the fields, the refs, the whole damn league in this game -- why should we hamper ourselves by playing by more stringent rules, more enlightened rules?

On the other hand, I think most people are turned off by this sort of hyperventilating over tiny nothings, and see the people frothing about such slender proofs as hyperpolitical, filled with agenda, and not to be trusted, so I'm not really sure what playing by the left's rules on this point actually wins us. That is to say, even if we have the moral right to use these shoddy, absurd rules for our own purposes, is it prudent to do so? Do we actually advance ourselves in this way?

Anyway, the RedEye guys were skeptical too.

Posted by: Ace at 08:05 AM | Comments (781)
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1 Fist of Fury?

Posted by: johnd01 at May 30, 2013 08:06 AM (r0+v0)

2 first?

Posted by: mallfly, at May 30, 2013 08:08 AM (bJm7W)

3 oh well.

seems piddling. How many times did you look at someone you adore and snap "I hate you"?

Posted by: mallfly, at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (bJm7W)

4 meh, make them suffer. Only then will they sue for detente.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (QxSug)

5 Skoar!!!11!


 Nice post Ace. What did it say?

Posted by: johnd01 at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (r0+v0)

6 so, on a scale 4 to 19 gerbils how many fish does this movie rate?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (QxSug)

7 I guess I should probably know who Adam Levine is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (irlNU)

8 I agree! (Gives self a pat on the back)

Posted by: Body Builder at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (DrC22)

9 Nice post Ace. What did it say? **** nope, we owe it to our prolix host to read his entire movie review and i am going back to the Lena Dunham part and going forward.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (QxSug)

10 Adam Levine and Lena Dunham? That must have been one shitty movie.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (W7ffl)

11 i hate Adam Levine because his music sucks

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (HEa5q)

12 >>> guess I should probably know who Adam Levine is. He's in a pop band called Maroon 5 and a celebrity judge on NBC's The Voice, an American Idol knock-off.

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Music Critic at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (LCRYB)

13 Who is Adam Levine and why did  need to you use all those words?

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (EgLEt)

14 I don't wish to be judged by the stupidest thing I ever said in a moment of disappointment so I don't judge people that way.  On the other hand Lena Dunham is Lena Dunham so fuck her.

P.S. 

From the sidebar.  That's not a rat on Mars.  That Valerie Jarrett.  But I understand how the mistake was made3.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (Hx5uv)

15 It's entirely possible that there's a non partisan hunger for honest argumentation. It's worth a try.

Posted by: phunctor at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (4wLfM)

16 I'm on the fence here.  I get entirely what you're saying, but I think the left continues to win the culture war because we're always playing by rules and they're doing whatever it takes.  Does that make sense?

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (+xmn4)

17 You can have my faux outrage when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (8ZskC)

18

Like I really give a rat's about Adam and Lena Whoever.

 

Com'on, Ace, give us some red meat here, not some bogus post about fake "famous" people.

 

Posted by: Arms Merchant at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (5RUlF)

19 Don't criticize leftie-twats. Ok got it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (ZIcZg)

20

I guess Ace was in a hurry and didn't have time to write a short post.

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (NUjTM)

21 You wasted how many thousand words on this drivel? Next time just say "I'm not willing to play by the left's rules" and that's that. Until you decide that you will in fact, give them their own medicine in every way possible, you're useless to the cause.

Posted by: trump at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (M7Awp)

22 I feel you Breitbart.

Posted by: X at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (KHo8t)

23 Yes, these "controversies" are silly. In general, we need to be on the lookout for the various squirrels the MSM and Obama will be presenting us and not take the bait (not that I think either of these are anything more than random idiots saying stupid stuff).

Posted by: Lizzy at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (NDNbv)

24 The only part of this movie I liked was when they sacrificed Lena Dunham into the volcano, thinking she was a virgin.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (SFs98)

25 Brevity.

Posted by: bigfakehand at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (HrQoQ)

26 To be fair I hate the way Americans vote too.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (wrS2o)

27 I love long blog posts on AOSHQ! I just peed on my iPad!

Posted by: MostlyRight Adam Dunham at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (w9AQ4)

28 >>>'m on the fence here. I get entirely what you're saying, but I think the left continues to win the culture war because we're always playing by rules and they're doing whatever it takes. Does that make sense? yeah I said that at the end, but I have to say, I don't see what this actually wins us. I don't think anyone outside our particular Culture cares about our shibboleths, and in fact thinks our dumber shibboleths are pretty stupid. Let me put it this way: When we're outraged by both Adam Levine and the IRS scandal, are we INCREASING the public's perception of the IRS scandal as truly outrageous, or are we telling them "Never mind us, we get our panties in a bunch over practically anything at all"?

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Sayer of Things at the End at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (LCRYB)

29 Who actually gives a flying "F" what this punk says anyway?

Posted by: Pipe Holder at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (VTeUD)

30 Evidence   schmevidence.



Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (KXm42)

31 Of course it's unfair. Have I ever told you what I think of fighting fair...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, totally not NSA at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (fMiHM)

32 Ace, Ace, Ace.......... What you are asking then is for us, on the right, to stop all these "faux" outrageous when a liberal says something stupid because...well....its dumb. And I suppose if we do that, the left will stop with its crap like, oh, the Rick Perry example you cited. Tell ya what, I am reasonable. When Al Sharpton pays off those judgments for his Tawana Brawley crap, I will agree to a cease fire. Until then.......fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (OWjjx)

33 You wasted how many thousand words on this drivel? Next time just say "I'm not willing to play by the left's rules" and that's that.

Until you decide that you will in fact, give them their own medicine in every way possible, you're useless to the cause.

Posted by: trump

 

Tru-CON!  Avenge him!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (SFs98)

34 I honestly don't know who Adam Levene is. 

Posted by: Bud Norton at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (6cOMd)

35 >>>Until you decide that you will in fact, give them their own medicine in every way possible, you're useless to the cause. RAH! RAH!!! FIGHT!!! ANYONE WHO DOESN'T *FIGHT* IS A TRAITOR!!! RAHHHH!!!

Posted by: Conservatively Correct Blog-Comments Warrior at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (LCRYB)

36 Even   when I have no idea what ace is talking about I just roll with it.


Is this penis pie guy? 

Stiffler's  mom!

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (KXm42)

37 Adam Levin is a no-talent hack.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (lZvxr)

38 Yeah, I didn't get the excoriation of Levine either. I thought he was just expressing disappointment with how viewers voted and didn't think much of it.

Dunham's tweet did come off as offensive to me because it seemed like she was going out of her way to showcase that she was ignoring why Memorial Day is Memorial Day and not just some random day off to visit Starbucks and lounge around.

But, again, I didn't spend a great deal of time dwelling on how offensive it was because I expect that kind of asinine disrespect for the military from the left. She has the right to say stupid things and exercises that right with great frequency.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (tWmgi)

39 MOAR WORD

Posted by: 2 x 4 at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (EgLEt)

40 Let me put it this way: When we're outraged by both Adam Levine and the IRS scandal, are we INCREASING the public's perception of the IRS scandal as truly outrageous, or are we telling them "Never mind us, we get our panties in a bunch over practically anything at all"? Alternately, they may be woven together into a wide-ranging, but unified, well, narrative: These people do not like you. They wish you ill. You should not trust or empower them. It has value, handled properly.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, totally not NSA at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (fMiHM)

41 ***I think most people are turned off by this sort of hyperventilating over tiny nothings, and see the people frothing about such slender proofs as hyperpolitical, filled with agenda, and not to be trusted, so I'm not really sure what playing by the left's rules on this point actually wins us.***** Sure sure, I think that unlike say a certain Senatorial candidate's musings on rape-bortions, these sort of outrages get real-world grass roots motion and aren't really pushed that hard by the right. You know? If some guy on the most popular show on TV says something that makes hoi polloi gasp, then what are we doing? "we" aren't even going after standard issue liberal lefty celebrity number 342 because sigh, who cares. But he is a celebrity and he has to deal with fans that might take offense at off hand remarks like that. So, I don't know, should we fire for effect on libs who are idiots? Or just let the fire self consume? I say we use our ammo wisely. We only get 3 hours every 4 years to make our case directly to the American people and right now we have a great opportunity to use this fucking guy's scandals to show how fucking awful he is. So, we need to fire for effect on the administration and ignore their idiot foot soldiers.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (QxSug)

42 Adam Levine sings like a girl who can't sing.

Posted by: MostlyRight at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (w9AQ4)

43 I'm outraged that so many on the right are watching such crap tv that they heard Adam Levine make his dumb statement.


OT: What ever happened with Benghazi? Seemed like the House was just about to crack that nut, now nothin. I assume it's all old news now?

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 08:17 AM (W7ffl)

44 Ah, Maroon 5. That's that group with the lead singer who sounds like a constipated Keebler elf, correct?

Posted by: Waterhouse, not narrowing things down at May 30, 2013 08:17 AM (irlNU)

45 >>>Until then.......fight fire with fire. I would agree with "fight fire with fire" if the fire was actually useful. I'm not sure this particular fire is useful at all. The Book on us -- propagated by the left -- is that we're dumb and just looking for things to be angry about. That's how the left marginalizes us, ghettoizes us, denormalizes us. I don't think we should play into that Book.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (LCRYB)

46 Adam Levine is a fag and his shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (8ZskC)

47 or are we telling them "Never mind us, we get our panties in a bunch over practically anything at all"?

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Sayer of Things at the End at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

 

This your first time here?

/

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (EgLEt)

48 >>>Adam Levine sings like a girl who can't sing. well played.

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Joke Admirer at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (LCRYB)

49  I agree to not be outraged by those that really don't affect myself , my children, or my future, that do not take power from me, and do not even know i exist .

is this the right response? because i don't really care .

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (nqBYe)

50 although, Lena Dunham, if I recall correctly, is motivated solely by the end-goal in life of attending her gay sister's wedding. Because mean republicans (and democrats never ever ever ever opposed gay marriage) want lena's gay sister to never find true love and break up with her current lover. So, if she has to get a show on HBO and show off her Mrs. PotatoHead body off to get her gay sister married with a lavish marriage ceremony, so be it.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (QxSug)

51 "... had a rock on the property upon which was written a racial slur."

A few years back I took my family to a steak house.  At a table within earshot, we could hear a patron complaining about his "FUCKING STEAK."  The patron was obviously drunk and just wasn't going to be reasoned with.  He eventually walked out to his car and drove away (drunk).

My family still goes to that steak house which we now lovingly call the "Fucking Steak House"

Posted by: Felix Frankfurter at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (e8kgV)

52 1) So, did the movie suck or not?

2) No. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

3) Fascists only know escalation; pissing them off over flimsy shit forces them to escalate.

4) Fuck no. Not one damned person on the left would ever consider extending the same courtesy. I don't give quarter to them's that hate me. I turn the other cheek to Christians and honorable men, not the worshipers of Molock. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (VjL9S)

53

This is a nothingburger.  "Hating America" was just shorthand for hating the people who voted 'wrong' in his stupid reality show. 

 

 

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (sOtz/)

54 Who's Adam Levine? Is BC around?

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (fWAjv)

55 Fuck them. They deserve all the shit we can muster mister, even if we don't take it seriously.

Posted by: Javems at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (nTgAI)

56 RAH! RAH!!! FIGHT!!! ANYONE WHO DOESN'T *FIGHT* IS A TRAITOR!!! RAHHHH!!! Posted by: Conservatively Correct Blog-Comments Warrior at May 30, 2013 01:16 PM (LCRYB) Sweet a noob. Listen, we all appreciate your enthusiasm, but lay off the caps. This is your one warning. The guy that runs this place, Ace, he can get his panties in a wad about things and then.....well, we all get yelled at and it's just a mess. So soldier on sir, but lay off the caps.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (da5Wo)

57 Awesome post, Ace. I vote against caring about this bullshit on the grounds that hyping it will turn the low-infos off because they're conditioned to believe that Republicans/Conservatives are already persnickety over-hypers who want to take away everyone's condoms and only get angry about that kind of stuff. In other words, the Right will never be able to gin up Total Moral Outrage (TMO) like the Left because the media has made all "right-wing" outrage about being white and being a sexual prude, whereas left-wing outrage is just caring and/or cool. Since most of the country doesn't give a shit about anything beyond the superficial, we need to constantly keep out cool, and instead shine a bright light on wacko Leftist, control freak outrage. It's a tall order, since there's a lot of outrageous crap going on, but we need to feign NOT being outraged. Look at Obama's and the rest of the Dems rhetorical strategy: They never define themselves; they just point us and say, hey, we're not like THEM. It's bullshit, but it works. And I despair of anything but bullshit working in this country for a long, long time...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (Y5I9o)

58 Adam Levine is a gigantic douche with bonus toolbox. Fuck him.

Posted by: Codec717 at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (5i/58)

59
Wait..... wut??

Lenham is funny???

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (nELVU)

60 Levine's was an exasperation borne of his view being overruled by the viewers.  Sort of like when morons say they hate people because there are so many stupid ones.

I saw Dunham's tweet.  I personally thought she was drunk.

I am not spending any more time on this issue.  These people are not worth the long essay post.  People are overthinking this.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (GoIUi)

61 #WAR

Posted by: Hanoverfist at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (HiKk0)

62 I hope we are separating  Politicians who  have a lot to do with invading our personal existences  and   these people that really  don't have power over me.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (nqBYe)

63 Who is Adam Levine? Never mind.., I don't care.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (aDwsi)

64 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)

65 OT: What ever happened with Benghazi? Seemed like the House was just about to crack that nut, now nothin. I assume it's all old news now? Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (W7ffl) They're in recess right now. If they don't pick it back up next week, then it is dead..again. I think they will though.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (fWAjv)

66 The proper response to these lefty pop culture bullshit outbursts is not political outrage but a pop culture response. And not just a satirical response but some kind of argument crafted in a pop cultural medium that would refute these two dweebs world view. Sadly, when the right abandoned pop culture it lost the ability to respond in kind to pop culture.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (qPCAa)

67 Am I supposed to know who Adam Levine is?

Posted by: rickl at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (zoehZ)

68

You know.

I said this when Liberty chick pointed it out: how many times have any of us said "I hate you" or "I hate X" when frustrated about something?

A lot.

It's meaningless frustration.  So Levine actually seems to care how well he does on this show.  And when handed the "fail" card he lashes out.  Big fucking deal.  It's a -1 on my shit 'o meter. I think it's really just false flag trolling by the left to get us to freak out over less than nothing.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (GaqMa)

69 I had no idea who this guy is.  I binged his music.  It blows.  Chunks.  Autotune is for people who cannot sing.

Posted by: huerfano at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (bAGA/)

70 Heard "Godzilla"  on the radio today for the first time in like 20 years.

What freaking awesome song.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (KXm42)

71 Posted by: Hanoverfist at May 30, 2013 01:21 PM (HiKk0)

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#WATERCOOLERWARZ


fify

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (nELVU)

72 58 Adam Levine is a gigantic douche with bonus toolbox. Fuck him.

Posted by: Codec717 at May 30, 2013 01:20 PM (5i/5


I don't support gay sex

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at May 30, 2013 08:22 AM (e8kgV)

73 I was unaware of these controversies. Hold on a sec... Nope, not registering on the rage-o-meter. Of course, that could be because they pale in comparison to Fast & Furious, the Benghazi situation, the AP scandal, and DHS now executing Law Enforcement duties.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (/PCJa)

74 They're obama supporters. 

That's all I need to know about them.  They can FOAD.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)

75

But... but... Mars Rover spotted Valerie Jarret... ON MARS!!!

 

(according to the sidebar)...

 

Obama to take credit for Secret Mars Mission in 3... 2... 1...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (lZBBB)

76 While I agree that this is pretty weak stuff I'm in the camp of never giving the left a pass on anything. Do unto them as they do to us. Childish? Maybe. Don't care. I'm tired of living by one set of rules while they live by another.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (g1DWB)

77 **he Book on us -- propagated by the left -- is that we're dumb and just looking for things to be angry about. That's how the left marginalizes us, ghettoizes us, denormalizes us. ** I think we need to unpack this more. I don't know if what they're selling is really being bought. They like to pretend their constituency are fabulous new yorkers. When in reality, it's the Wire. This image of us is sold to an increasingly smaller share of viewers of msnbc and other outlets. Of course, we lost but we lost because of demographics, and not voter fraud.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (QxSug)

78 Am I supposed to know who Adam Levine is?

Posted by: rickl


No, but, by God, don't you dare think of criticizing him.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (ZIcZg)

79 I need help to know what I'm outraged over here. Is this a politics post or a pop culture post? Whichever it is, ace needs to do more of the opposite.

Posted by: mugiwara, true con at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (W7ffl)

80 "That is to say, even if we have the moral right to use these shoddy, absurd rules for our own purposes, is it prudent to do so? Do we actually advance ourselves in this way?" We live in a nation that cares more for Honey Boo Boo than figuring out who the presidential candidates are. A nation so full of dumb that they elected this complete failure twice. All they care about in politics is cheep shots and 6-word soundbites. A celebrity saying "I hate america" is all their small brains can hold. Of course we have to use the tactic. The left uses it because it works. The left assumes their voters are complete idiots. We have to understand the same thing if we are going to move any of them back.

Posted by: mrshad at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (Xqfwb)

81 Ace, don't give the Voice any publicity. It needs to die silently behind a wall. The Voice, So you think you can shit your pants, BigBrother American Idol etc.. ALL of them are nothing more than tangible proof of our decline as a thinking nation. It's fucking sad as hell.

Posted by: Melodicmetal at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (QY9FJ)

82 >>>Sweet a noob. that was me.

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Me-Identifier at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (LCRYB)

83 And if Dunham had simply posted "Happy Memorial Day" in a freestanding tweet...

While your post is reasonable on the whole, I disagree here. If Dunham had not combined the two statements, I still wouldn't have approved of her but I would have given her a modicum of credit for recognizing a significant remembrance. To have made the statement the way she did seems less to me about being funny or inconsiderate or ignorant but more actually malicious. She would have been going out of her way to antagonize a memorial which actually does reenforce a perceived "hatred" of the country.

As for Levine, his offense was more spontaneous and seemed more silly-stupid. I can say that I've never hated my country but I'm right there with him on sometimes thinking, "Man, I hate some of the idiots in this sphere" which is sorta the same thing.

But this is way more than I should've said about this nonsense in that they remain utterly inconsequential. In fact forget I was here. They aren't worth the time.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (eHIJJ)

84 The Book on us -- propagated by the left -- is that we're dumb and just looking for things to be angry about. That's how the left marginalizes us, ghettoizes us, denormalizes us. I don't think we should play into that Book. But the problem here, Ace, is you presuppose that an act of good faith on our part will be reciprocated by an act of good faith on their end. It won't. Yea, I am not particularly pleased with being this cynical either.....but to date I see no evidence that giving Adam Levine a pass will allow us a pass in a future date. Before la affair Levine, the left was dismissive of the Benghazi scandal as just made up GOP witch hunting. Do you really expect Martin Brashir to announce Benghazi is a serious matter because "those conservatives held their fire on Adam Lavine?" And occassionally, good comes out of it. All the faux outrage over the Dixie Chicks resulted in us not having to hear their shitty music for the most part. I think I can manage if I never hear another Maroon 5 song again.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (OWjjx)

85 Don't care. If I thought there was any chance the Left would stop the unfair attacks if we did then I'd support that. But unilaterally disarming is for losers. Fuck em. I don't give a damn about these two losers or their dumb shows. But I have zero sympathy for them. Especially the Lena chick -- a smegmatic queef of a woman if there ever was one.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (ZPrif)

86 54 Who's Adam Levine? Is BC around? Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 01:20 PM (fWAjv) You rang?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (da5Wo)

87 I've grown a little tired of Red Eye but that segment was pretty damn funny.

Posted by: jgs at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (y7MHL)

88 yeah I said that at the end, but I have to say, I don't see what this actually wins us. I don't think anyone outside our particular Culture cares about our shibboleths, and in fact thinks our dumber shibboleths are pretty stupid.

Let me put it this way: When we're outraged by both Adam Levine and the IRS scandal, are we INCREASING the public's perception of the IRS scandal as truly outrageous, or are we telling them "Never mind us, we get our panties in a bunch over practically anything at all"?

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Sayer of Things at the End at May 30, 2013 01:14 PM (LCRYB)

lol, nice sock.  Like I said, I get what you're saying, and we do trivilize our position by going crazy over everything and therefore it can end up having the "cry wolf" effect. 

I find it difficult always being the adult in the room when dealing with the left, so sometimes it's nice to just go both barrels on them.  I guess it's too much to ask for them to have enough self awareness to realize "Oh, so this is what it feels like to be crucified over nothing!"

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (+xmn4)

89 You know.
I said this when Liberty chick pointed it out: how many times have any of us said "I hate you" or "I hate X" when frustrated about something?
A lot.


 
I hate people.


But  not  the  people  who made that kick-ass song "Godzilla".

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (KXm42)

90 Good for you, Ace. Just because the Left stoops to ginned-up garbage in support of its "faith-based slurs" is no reason for us to follow suit!

Posted by: Pops at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (QjFDb)

91 Rick Tempest can use the cap lock as much as he wants.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (8ZskC)

92 The only reason Gutfield is skeptical about severity of these comments is because he's been hankering for some of that sweet, sweet Amanda Byne crazy, and he doesn't want to play his hand too hard until he's tapped that shit.

Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (G9Mmf)

93 I didn't get the outrage over the chick's Tweet myself. I don't think she even remotely meant to equate peeing with Memorial Day. Ditto on Levine, and I have no idea who he is, other than he as some perfumes and I gather he is some sort of musician. He was just mad about the way some voting went.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (zrlmb)

94 16 I'm on the fence here. I get entirely what you're saying, but I think the left continues to win the culture war because we're always playing by rules and they're doing whatever it takes. Does that make sense? Posted by: Heralder
-------------

Yes..., yes it does. You have convinced me.
My Official statement now is: Adam Levine is an anti-American dickweed...., whoever he is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (aDwsi)

95 that was me. Posted by: Rick Tempest, Me-Identifier at May 30, 2013 01:24 PM (LCRYB) As opposed to it being you?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (da5Wo)

96

I read the whole post, and I never found out the title of the movie

Posted by: phreshone at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (Pr6hk)

97 Sound like the Lena chick meant it to be disrespectful. Counter-example. Hey, just took a giant shit and - oh - happy birthday to President Obama!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (ZPrif)

98

Well, hell. I vaguely recall muttering bourbonly "I hate this country" on election night.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (K+mtQ)

99 that was me.

You're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Shaggy at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (irlNU)

100

You're worried we're not being fair?

 

Should we be using tactics like this or should we be above it?

 

We're going to continue losing for a long, long time.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (u2a4R)

101 You're doing it wrong. Posted by: Shaggy at May 30, 2013 01:26 PM (irlNU) You're supposed to be doing it well.

Posted by: LL Cool J at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (da5Wo)

102 101st

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (tWmgi)

103 And like many suffering from the liberal pathology, idiot celebrities 1023 and 324 both live in their own self-reinforced sphere of stereotypes they live in perpetual fear of. Standard issue idiot celebrities 1023 and 324, like many other standard idiot liberals, live in fear of some sort of southern stereotype. fine. but for most people idiot celebrities 1023 and 324 are themselves basically stereotypes. mockable stereotypes. And we don't have to do nothing. That being said, we lack the ability of firing for effect. We never pile on the left and make Obama apologize for his idiotic foot soldiers, from "socialist with a beard" senators, the veep, or celebrities. On the other hand, Romney had to apologize for everything Rush ever said.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (QxSug)

104

OT: What ever happened with Benghazi? Seemed like the House was just about to crack that nut, now nothin. I assume it's all old news now?

 


Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 01:17 PM (W7ffl)

 

 

My Prediction?  Benghazi soon goes off the Radar..

 

I could not figure out WHY the Islamists would attack our Embassy, and the CIA annex... as they were buying guns to further the Syrian Rebels according to most reports...

 

But... wait... who would want to stop that??? Iran and Hezbolah??? who are on the opposite side?

 

And why would we NOT go after the capture, as the administration says they have suspects???

 

Its because it would be a smoking gun ACT OF WAR 'if' they were directed by Iran... which would destroy the Administrations Meme that Iran is NOT 'really' our Enemy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (lZBBB)

105 Just wait till Michelle finds out what Barack was up to with Tiger Woods when she was off vacationing elsewhere.

Maybe a little sex scandal will spice things up.

Posted by: Denis McD at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (e8kgV)

106 "I'm skeptical myself, of this and the Lena Dunham outrage. And that's because I've seen this before, and I've seen this sort of ginned-up outrage directed at us, and it seems to me to be an unfair tactic."

And they will never stop directing it at us, so why should we unilaterally disarm in the face of it? No mercy for any of these goddamned Obuttfuck-worshiping shitstains. Let them reap what they sow a thousandfold. Because fuck them.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (KSjsb)

107 They're obama supporters.

That's all I need to know about them. They can FOAD.

Posted by: EC

 

 

Classic RINO talk.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (SFs98)

108 Aaaah!

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (tWmgi)

109

Frankly, when I heard about Adam Levine's nonsense, I thought of an old Simpsons episode (before they jumped the shark, slapped on the kneepads and guzzled the kool-aid straight from the tap), when Mayor Quimby is being badgered:

 

HELEN LOVEJOY:  We demand that you do something!

 

MAYOR QUIMBY:  Demand?  Who are you to demand anything?  You're just a bunch of low-income nobodies!

 

AIDE (whispering):  Election in November. . .election in November. . .

 

MAYOR QUIMBY:  Again?  This stupid country!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (zF6Iw)

110 But... but... Mars Rover spotted Valerie Jarret... ON MARS!!!

***

Then she said, "Take me to your leader" and the rest is history.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (Hx5uv)

111 You may think people don't fall for arguments like these.  But the low info voters DO fall for these sort of tricks when the Ds pull em.  Just watch.  They slowly reshape the battlespace, setting the boundary markers between what is acceptable and unacceptable.  Even as everyone rolls their eyes and says how stupid it is, it still works.

Look at the last few months and how many kids have been scarred for life over being caught with 'guns.'  Everyone laughs but it becomes the new norm anyway.  A lego part is now something that requires everyone who saw it to get counseling to deal with the trauma.

If they can score points on something that stupid, why shouldn't we weave "I hate this country." into a larger narrative and more importantly, start pushing back on what is acceptable.  Until their team fears a career ending event from a misstatement there is no incentive for them to agree with us that perhaps this hypersensitivity regarding off the cuff remarks and social media might be a bad idea.  So long as it is only us who live in fear, why wouldn't they love it?

#WAR!

Posted by: John Morris at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (sCRhB)

112 RE: Greg Gutfeld's wardrobe


Nice sweater, Greg.  Did you make it yourself?

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (UypUQ)

113 You rang? Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 01:24 PM (da5Wo) Just messin' with ya since that seems to be your evening viewing pleasure lately.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (fWAjv)

114 If the partisan tactic involves just saying mean, but possibly unfair, things about some left-winger -- then there's not much that would outrage me. Goose, gander, sauce, good for. Know who never unilaterally disarms themselves? Closers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (ZPrif)

115 Lena Dunham launching Tridents at Starbucks? you can't buy that kind of publicity!

Posted by: the rich aroma at May 30, 2013 08:29 AM (KHo8t)

116 Sweet a noob.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 01:20 PM (da5Wo)

Awesome, ace gets called a noob on his own blog.

 

 

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:29 AM (+xmn4)

117

Ace, your (and the RedEye gang's) position is morally upstanding.

 

Too bad we don't live in a morally upstanding political environment.

 

Make them live by their own standards.  Isn't that the credo of their hero Alinsky?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (#teamletitburn) at May 30, 2013 08:29 AM (WDCYi)

118 Classic RINO talk.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (SFs9



Damn straight!

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (GQ8sn)

119 On November 7th a large amount of people hated this country. They don't hate this country the same way the Islamic Jihad do, just the way it voted.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (CdeLs)

120 Country means nothing to the global-minded left.  He was hatin' on country music.

Posted by: Bleak Shetland at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (2iU3x)

121 Nice sweater, Greg. Did you make it yourself? Posted by: Serious Cat at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (UypUQ) Probably mom. When he was Editor at Maxim he would have publish letters from his mom all the time.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (fWAjv)

122 I think we need to unpack this more. I don't know if what they're selling is really being bought. Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 01:23 PM (QxSug) That's exactly the point. It's not that people ACTIVELY buy the message; it's that that's the only message that's on sale and being advertised 24/7. Like Bud Light. No one likes it, but it's name recognition, and you've heard it for long enough that it just seems acceptable. Same with conservatism. The average person knows shit about what politics is about; they just have these caricatures that collapse when challenged. But the catch is that if you challenge them, they don't say, "oh, you're right. I'll change my mind to conform with the facts". No, they get mad at YOU for shattering their comfortable illusion of "knowing what's going on". So we have to get under the Left's advertising, not by showing directly how it's bullshit--everyone knows bud light is shit, and they get annoyed if you're the prick who keeps yammering about it. We need to just deliver a better product.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (Y5I9o)

123 Gotta be honest here, I took a piss several times during Memorial Day.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (W7ffl)

124 There's too much horrible truth out there to be sidetracked or discredited by faked-up outrage.

Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (vtiE6)

125 How about if we just make fun of her fat ass? Here are some Daily Mail pics of her in denim shorts and a lesbo shirt saying "I'm With Her ------>"
 
http://tinyurl.com/ppd5ngl (warning -- fugliness alert)
 
And if what she said this time isn't enough to slam her for, don't worry. She is bound to come with even more insipid stupidness; she can't help it, she's a liberal.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (ccXZP)

126 Anybody in TV and movies who gets rewarded for being outrageously right-wing and transgressive and shit?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (ZPrif)

127 Jedediah Bielat looked downright fappable last night.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (EgLEt)

128 Those of you who date to the 50's may remember the Merry Minuet. Made semi-popular by the Kingston Trio: You can hear it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6dsKleGpU

They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain
the Whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like Anybody very much.

But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
For man's been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
And we know for certain that some lucky day
Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away

They're rioting in Africa
There's strife in Iran
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow Man

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (aDwsi)

129 Fuck it.  It works for the left, it will work for us.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (sxq57)

130 >>>I think we need to unpack this more. I don't know if what they're selling is really being bought. They like to pretend their constituency are fabulous new yorkers. When in reality, it's the Wire. I think we'd win most elections if upper-income white suburban voters went for us by large margins. As it stands, I think we win, but not by much. Part of this is due to our capacity to turn off such voters in a specific way. Upper-income white suburban voters pride themselves on being sophisticated and smart. After all, they are upper income. They're not dummies. All people define themselves by what they are NOT. And people are aspirational. By which I mean, people tend to select their friends or what groups or cliques they will join according to aspirational criteria -- they admire people they wish to be more like, they befriend people they think also aspire to similar things, they join clubs on the premise that the club will give them Social Cachet among the sort of people they aspire to rub elbows with. People do not voluntarily associate with those they feel have a lower social status. A lot of what the right does, in my opinion (humility optional), is almost proudly dumb. It's like we're going out of our way to tell those Upper Income White Suburban voters (the ones who are not self-identifying cons, as we are) "We reject your culture and look down upon it, and to demonstrate this, we're going to sort of do exactly what you wish us not to do. We're sort of going to go out of our way to insult your pieties." It occurs to me more and more that politics is almost entirely cultural flattery. What if the shit we say matters -- policies, outcomes-- matters hardly a whit in elections? What if the real key to politics is flattering the cultural outlook 51% of the voters so that they think well of you (and thereby think well of themselves)?

Posted by: Rick Tempest, Master of Demographics at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (LCRYB)

131

Bila, not Bielat...don't want to get Ace all conflicted, again.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (EgLEt)

132 It's a testament to how far Malkin has fallen that she's the one really promoting this "Levin is an American-hating leftist" crap.

Posted by: Vyceroy at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (naXng)

133 Umm, do you mean JIM Carry or John KERRY?

Posted by: NJRob at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (lWIZE)

134 I don't think you're wrong, Ace. But treating the Left the way they treat the Right is just sauce for the goose. Use their weapons against them, if they want to demagogue and denigrate us to the LIV, let's do the same to them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (3Znbm)

135 Feel free to post my comment, but keep it off the record.

Posted by: t-bird at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (FcR7P)

136 What's that Alinsky rule -- the best tactics are the ones your people enjoy. It's fun to shit on pop culture celebutards. Why take away the fun? We aren't some army taking orders and all focused on the Benghazi talking points of the day.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (ZPrif)

137 Benghazi Docs have been demanded by Issa to appear by June 7th. We shall see if "Executive Privilege" comes into play after that. They will delay delay delay until they have their stories straight, the docs shredded, and plenty of 'outrage'.

Posted by: Melodicmetal at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (QY9FJ)

138 Poof? Who needs poof! We have our beliefs, we the superior man, the enlightened man, the educated man with credentials and the approval of our peers KNOW the truth that the world will be a better place when all you white christian conservative capitalism republicans have been exterminated!

I want off this rock!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (f7M0I)

139 Okay, having bothered to look into these for about 10 seconds... I think the Adam Levine thing is a big nothing-burger. People say stupid, over-reaching stuff all the time. It makes them dicks, it does not "prove" they are anti-American. Laugh at him, then move on. The Lena Dunham thing, though, I think is a bigger deal. As someone pointed out, let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say it was someone like Dennis Miller saying "Oh, man, I've been hitting the restrooms at soooo many gas stations!" "Oh, I just hit another one- oh, btw: Happy Birthday Mr. Obama!" Would anyone read anything other than (at least) dismissal and derision toward the president in such a statement? What if we even make it something less personal: "... oh, btw: Happy May Day!" No, at the very least she was being deliberately dismissive of the holiday. At worst, she was (euphemistically) sh*tting on the troops.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (/PCJa)

140 Just messin' with ya since that seems to be your evening viewing pleasure lately. Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 01:28 PM (fWAjv) Lol. Yeah, I'm sure Levine is a douche, I don't like Maroon 5's music, but he appears to be a pretty good judge of talent and the show is actually pretty decent. Especially compared to AI. And The Voice has this..... http://tinyurl.com/ls3r6bw

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (da5Wo)

141 123 Gotta be honest here, I took a piss several times during Memorial Day.
Posted by: mugiwara
----------------
I do not have a clear recollection, but it is possible that I pissed *on* a Starbucks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (aDwsi)

142 Then I guess my question is, how important is The Culture then? This is one of those battles on the Culture Front. Approximately how much outrage was generated over this? I didn't hear too much about it, but I'm not too plugged-in to these cultural outlets? Were people really making a big deal about this? I think these little episodes should be met with the mockery and ridicule they deserve. Those are powerful weapons the left has been wielding successfully for decades. The left also uses attrition in these cases - constant flooding of the zone. They flood it with the most inane shit imaginable. Seems to be working. They then target the LIVs whose opinions they have influenced with trainloads of complete horseshit...and win elections with it. So again, do we then cede the cultural battle to their never ending human waves? Is our position here better than I think it is?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (NcPjb)

143 I think the left continues to win the culture war because we're always playing by rules and they're doing whatever it takes.
========
Americans love a winner. And increasingly, they don't care if they lie, cheat and steal to win--as long as they win.

That's why I say "go after them full force on stupid shit like this and make up more." Because it pisses them off, throws them off their game. Fascist only know escalation.

And the more they escalate, the less effective they become, exposing ever more ugliness.

It's also the "cry wolf" gambit. By forcing them to issue ever more flimsy excuses/justifications, ever more phony "I'm sorry you're offended" apologies over stupider and stupider shit, it weakens them for next round. 

Meanwhile, each time we accuse them of something, it's the accusation that sticks, tarring their name with the association with the LIV.

That's why the leftist play up every Republican scandal--to create the impression _every_ Republican is evil.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (VjL9S)

144

7I guess I should probably know who Adam Levine is.

---

I'm certain i should know who the girl was on Redeye panel. In the biblical sense.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (SO2Q8)

145 127 Jedediah Bielat looked downright fappable last night.** Concur. I luv the leg chair. I need to start going to bed earlier.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (QxSug)

146 Also, ace, consider that we don't necessarily have to knee-jerk our way through this.  Instead of getting ginned up and rioting over Adam Levine saying he's anti-American, instead you laugh at him and him being a sore loser to the degree where he says he's hates the country for voting against him.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (+xmn4)

147 And I do think that Lena Dunham is a soft-headed, morally stupid, unserious, over-promoted narcissist. I would be surprised if she knew the point of Memorial Day, apart from "free day off!" and "barbeque."

_______________________________

She's the one that does that sketch comedy show in which she's often in one of those fat suits without any clothes on top, which is in itself a hilarious form of physical comedy, correct?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 08:34 AM (nnkXw)

148 I don't hate Adam Levine I do find him completely obnoxious... He's on a show judging talent making a gianormous salary... & the people get to vote or not vote... & he's mad that they don't vote the way he wants them to...what a pussy I do hate Dunham.... If her parents weren't famous she'd be a barista cleaning the Starbucks toilets

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 08:34 AM (tliFw)

149 Ace, Anyone who has raised a toddler should recognize Levine's little temper-tantrum. He didn't get his cookie. So. like an emotional toddler, he blurts out that he hates mommy or daddy. In his mind, "this country" deprived him of his cookie. Whether he loves or hates this country may be complicated, but his tantrum wasn't.

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 08:34 AM (VIaw0)

150

Frankly, I'm more offended by     the fact that Adam Levine makes shitty music     and thinks it's GOOD than the fact that he said he hates this country.   I know he hates this country;   he's more or less announced that on several occasions.   

 

Don't get pissed at Levine's comment -- laugh at him.    Mock him, because he's    completely out of touch.      See,     the reason Adam Levine hates this       country is     because he's an idiot who thinks that a person's future is made or broken   SOLELY     by the     votes    they receive     on    a fucking TV show.    In Adam Levine's fucked up world, talent has nothing to do with it.   

 

He's   got a point, actually, since he's a talentless lickspittle dickcheese who's somehow managed to make a career of whining into a microphone, but I digress.   

 

But what Levine doesn't understand, and what we do,   is that the great thing about America is that if someone is talented enough, and they've had a chance to show off that talent on a huge stage like "The Voice," then they're going to    do just fine.    Adam Levine is too much of a commie leftwing dickwidget to understand that very basic concept.

 

As for Lena Dunham?  Meh.  She's a has-been who never was as far as I'm concerned.   She probably only posted the Memorial Day tweet because someone mentioned it to her and she figured, "Do as the Romans do,"    Because she's a trend-follower, and she wants to be one of   the Cool Kids, which is why she's such a pathetic little twat.   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:34 AM (4df7R)

151 129 Fuck it. It works for the left, it will work for us. Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 01:31 PM (sxq57) No, it won't. The only constituency the Right has that functions like the Left's groupthink elements is the Evangelical Religious Right. But even they aren't anywhere near as mindlessly homogenized into a solid identity bloc as would be useful for us. Besides, the media neutralizes any advantage we might get from ginning them up.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (Y5I9o)

152

Adam Levine?

 

I hit that.

Posted by: Will Folks at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (EgLEt)

153
What if the real key to politics is flattering the cultural outlook 51% of the voters so that they think well of you (and thereby think well of themselves)?


----


EBT card.   Check

Obamaphone.  Check


Say whatever you want to say.... winger.

Posted by: 51% of the voters at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (nELVU)

154 Awesome, ace gets called a noob on his own blog.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 01:29 PM (+xmn4)

 

Why not?  It isn't like he ever reads the thing.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (zF6Iw)

155 MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A Wisconsin appeals court says a law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls is constitutional.

Republicans passed a law in 2011 requiring voters to show photo identification, saying the mandate would help fight election fraud. The League of Women Voters filed a lawsuit in Dane County Circuit Court in October 2011 challenging the law. Judge Richard Niess ruled the law was unconstitutional in March 2012, saying it would abridge the right to vote.

The 4th District Court of Appeals reversed Niess on Thursday, saying the league failed to prove that the law is unconstitutional.

Posted by: The Count of Monte Cristo at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (e8kgV)

156 Approximately how much outrage was generated over this? I didn't hear too much about it, but I'm not too plugged-in to these cultural outlets? Were people really making a big deal about this?

Posted by: Burn the Witch


No, no one was outraged but apparently spending 3 seconds on a twitter comment pointing out either tartlet's boo-boo is OMG THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!!!

Or it just blog filler. Either or.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (ZIcZg)

157 It's a testament to how far Malkin has fallen that she's the one really promoting this "Levin is an American-hating leftist" crap.

Posted by: Vyceroy at May 30, 2013 01:32 PM (naXng)

 

She hasn't fallen anywhere. Malkin gets it wrong sometimes but she hits more than she misses.

Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (vtiE6)

158 ***Upper-income white suburban voters pride themselves on being sophisticated and smart. After all, they are upper income. They're not dummies. *** yeah, I think the ghey thing is something that they can sink their teeth in. That's what maybe cost us 1% of the white vote. Not because 1% of the white population is ghey, it's because there are some cracker who really really really care about this small group of people. And they recoil from things like patriotism or religion. so, again, what are we going to offer them? Oh right. That our ideas work and we aren't bankrupting the country with chicago style cronyism.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (QxSug)

159 Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 01:33 PM (VjL9S)

Everything this guy just said.  X1000

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (sxq57)

160 >>>No, no one was outraged but apparently spending 3 seconds on a twitter comment pointing out either tartlet's boo-boo is OMG THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!!! it was a segment on Hannity last night.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (LCRYB)

161

I dunno, just saying "Happy Memorial Day" seems awfully ignorant to me, given what the day is supposed to be Memorializing.

 

So honestly, if Dunham had tweeted just "Happy Memorial Day" I'd still think she's a stupid scrunt.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (tVWQB)

162 Had a relative who normally is not into politics specifically bring up the Levine thing cause it pissed her off. Millions heard it live clear as day. Some added context -- the American public has voted and winnowed the voice contestants down to be more white country singers than in the past. The implication was that he hates a country that keeps voting for this whitebread, redneck country music shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (ZPrif)

163 It's a testament to how far Malkin has fallen that she's the one really promoting this "Levin is an American-hating leftist" crap.


What did Mark Levin say?

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (GQ8sn)

164 I was not aware of the levine thing until my non-political relative brought it up.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:38 AM (ZPrif)

165 At first I was thinking,no we need to take everything to the basket, but, upon further reflection, we shouldn't go aft every picayune thing, we should make up wildassed stories ad go from there. Because that works.

Posted by: Jesse Jackson at May 30, 2013 08:38 AM (N5ZQC)

166 it was a segment on Hannity last night. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (LCRYB) Aaaannnndddd Ace releases the Hate Hannity crowd. Hey! You've got the same hash as that noob! Man, you are really in for it. That Ace guy HATES when people sock him.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:38 AM (da5Wo)

167 Malkin hasn't fallen. Malkin is awesome and can kick your fucking ass any day of the week. And she's making money. Good for her.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (ZPrif)

168 Anybody who hates Malkin is a soulless gutterworm fuckweasel.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (ZPrif)

169

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 01:35 PM (Y5I9o)

 

You clearly don't know much about evangelical Christians. Try herding those cats in any single direction and then come back and talk to me about 'groupthink elements'.

Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (vtiE6)

170 No, it won't.

Sure it will.  We don't need the right to care about any of this stuff.  We need the LIVs to hear it and just have the accusations stick.  THAT'S what works for the left.  You can "apologize" for the comments later.  But you get the accusation out there.  Let the LIVS hear how shitty the lefties are, even if you have to MAKE STUFF UP.  It's fine.  The left is playing to win (and almost has) and we're sitting here arguing about whether it's right to fight dirty.  Such bullshit.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (sxq57)

171 151 129 Fuck it. It works for the left, it will work for us. We should focus on highlighting the real stupidity. There's enough of it and we struggle with doing that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (+NYjg)

172 People do not voluntarily associate with those they feel have a lower social status. A lot of what the right does, in my opinion (humility optional), is almost proudly dumb. It's like we're going out of our way to tell those Upper Income White Suburban voters (the ones who are not self-identifying cons, as we are) "We reject your culture and look down upon it, and to demonstrate this, we're going to sort of do exactly what you wish us not to do. We're sort of going to go out of our way to insult your pieties." -------------- I'm not saying this post is an example of it, but you do give off the impression at times that you're pretty disgusted with the opinions and/or beliefs of the majority of your readers. It's nice that you can ignore it most of the time, just as we return here without holding a grudge. I doubt the Democrats tolerate dissension in their ranks. Dick.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (NfGzw)

173 it was a segment on Hannity last night.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

You're a great American, Ace. 

...and don't forget to tune in three hours a day!

Posted by: Sean Hannity at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (EgLEt)

174 "Levin is an American-hating leftist" *** He's a squeaky douche but he's OUR squeaky douche!

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at May 30, 2013 08:39 AM (MhA4j)

175 Most especially, in the last 2 Presidential elections, we've had candidates that not only refused to suggest a negative upon the JEF but insanely went so far as to make sure anyone even close to the GOP laid off.

Bush--tame as he was--didn't stop the Swiftboat Veterans. McCain went out of his way to denounce outside groups. Romney strangled attack ads in the crib.

Look, our leaders and candidates can lay of, play by the rules: What's killing us is they are imposing the same rules on the foot soldiers and special forces--while the other side brags about funding the guerrillas and mercenaries!

Which then leads me to that depressing question: If the GOP in Washington DC weren't happy with the current size, scope and reach of the federal government, what would they be doing differently? 

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (VjL9S)

176 Ace, you are way over-thinking this one. People who love this country don't say "I hate this country," regardless of how offhand the comment. If they say "I hate this country," it is because that sentiment resonates in their heart. They hate this country. Similarly when someone says "I love this country" (especially in an unscripted, meant to be off-mic comment), it is a real expression of feeling. This isn't like using a cuss word by accident. It's like calling black people ni&&ers. I don't know anything else about Levine, but from this one comment, I know he is a worthless flaming a-hole.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (kTTUz)

177 But again, once we merge with Mexico in a few weeks, these sort of discussions will be a thing of the past. The demographics vote for Trojan Horse Liberals no matter what. You know, sort of like how Obama ran for reelection based on his "100,000 teachers and getting the rich to pay some taxes, their fair share really" jobs bill that is currently....not being pushed as far as I can tell, so that he can work on Trojan Horse Issues he really cares about gun grabbing and wiping out america's demographic history with absorbing as much of the 3rd world as possible.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (QxSug)

178 The implication was that he hates a country that keeps voting for this whitebread, redneck country music shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (ZPrif)


----


THIS!!!

The head of the nail isn't he hates this country. 


He hates that "we" are in it.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (nELVU)

179 Twit for twat.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (AWmfW)

180 Malkin is brave as hell. And she's a good musician. Hannity hate I understand. Though it's kinda like hating a retarded kid for being retarded.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (ZPrif)

181
it was a segment on Hannity last night.

Posted by: ace


Was he outraged?  Did he get on top of the desk and rend his garments? Did he hunch his shoulders and declare that he's mad as hell and not going to take it anymore?

No one was outraged. Put the strawman back in the closet next to Susie Suckyou.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (ZIcZg)

182 We Will Have Their Heads For This!

Posted by: Lutherans at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (tWmgi)

183 Gotta be honest here, I took a piss several times during Memorial Day.

***

I did nothing wrong but I am refusing to answer any questions as to whether or not I pissed on Memorial Day pursuant to the fifth amendment.

Posted by: Lois Lerner at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (Hx5uv)

184 >>Part of this is due to our capacity to turn off such voters in a specific way. I don't buy this premise, not entirely. In fact, I think it is the tactics that the left uses to define us that turn people off. The left, and that of course includes the msm, almost universally paints a picture of the Tea Party as racist, nihilistic, stupid, haters, for example. Of course this is wrong but we are put in the position of defense from the jump and it works. The Tea Party has very poor approval ratings and for many people it isn't a personal observation its "what I've heard." This is the exact tactic that you are suggesting we not use. Sure, you can always overplay your hand but you can do that with really outrageous things too. I don't think this is a nuclear case but it definitely deserves a fark you and derision from the right. Low information voters are by definition low information, they learn a good deal of their beliefs from what they hear somewhere. We don't have much of a megaphone, certainly not like the left does, and we should not surrender opportunities to point out just exactly who and what the left is all about. If we don't do it, nobody will.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (g1DWB)

185 So honestly, if Dunham had tweeted just "Happy Memorial Day" I'd still think she's a stupid scrunt.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 01:37 PM (tVWQB)

 

This actually brings up a question     that I don't know the answer to: what IS the proper way to address Memorial Day?   "Happy Memorial Day" is kind of the default, but obviously it's not a happy day; it's a solemn one.  Yes it's used by many as a chance to get together with friends and family for barbecues and the like, but at its heart it's a somber day of remembrance.  So what's an appropriate adjective?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (4df7R)

186 164 I was not aware of the levine thing until my non-political relative brought it up. Posted by: Flatbush Joe ********* Exactly, Levine pissed on himself and made apolitical folks mad. We can fire for effect, just for practice. But we have bigger eggs to fry right now.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (QxSug)

187

Anybody who hates Malkin is a soulless gutterworm fuckweasel.

 

 

He's a stud, no doubt.   But Crosby is a better all around player.

Posted by: Barry Melrose at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (EgLEt)

188

The only way we're going to start winning elections is to convince blacks and hispanics (especially women) that the democrats have been playing them for chumps.

 

Hard hitting ads that show the right is for vouchers in "educationally challenged zones" (read inner-cities) so that their children can learn to read, write and make change for a dollar is the way to go. 

 

Be breathlessly over the top describing how  elite democrats think the minority kids are genetically inferior to their own.  Exaggerate, rant, rave and come right out and say that democrats don't think the majority of black and hispanic kids are worth trying to educate.

 

Shoot for sea change in minority woman voting patterns.  What the fuck do we have to lose?

 

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (u2a4R)

189 "The 4th District Court of Appeals reversed Niess on Thursday, saying the league failed to prove that the law is unconstitutional. Posted by: The Count of Monte Cristo at May 30, 2013 01:36 PM (e8kgV)" Come to Papa!

Posted by: John Roberts at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (NcPjb)

190 I don't think the remarks by Levine, whoever the fuck he is, and Dunham, warrant outrage. My response? "Meh, what do you expect from a pig, but a grunt?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (fNpC1)

191

When I hear these little shitweazels' remarks, I usually don't focus on the  individual  remarks.  I focus  (or just add)  on the preponderance of the remarks given by the whole population of  shitweazels just like them.  Then I make my decision on who they are and the meaning of it all.

 

I've come to this conclusion.  30 - 40% of the population of this country have turned their backs on Constitutional freedom.  They want to be ruled.

 

I don't want them around me.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (UTrUJ)

192

You know what I really hate?

 

 

Christina's fumunda butter.

Posted by: Adam Levine at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (i7B17)

193 Nicely put eoj this is why I have your name in hearts all over my peechee

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (tliFw)

194 Posted by: Barry Melrose at May 30, 2013 01:41 PM (EgLEt)

----

**golf clap**

... well played, sir.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 08:43 AM (nELVU)

195 Look, our leaders and candidates can lay of, play by the rules: What's killing us is they are imposing the same rules on the foot soldiers and special forces--while the other side brags about funding the guerrillas and mercenaries!

Which then leads me to that depressing question: If the GOP in Washington DC weren't happy with the current size, scope and reach of the federal government, what would they be doing differently?

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 01:40 PM (VjL9S)


Yes yes. The liv's need to be fed this shit to at least become neutral in an election.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 30, 2013 08:43 AM (AWmfW)

196 >>>Aaaannnndddd Ace releases the Hate Hannity crowd. no I'm just sayin', weft-cut loop is offering the claim "No one's actually talking about this, you're making it all up." So, *no.* Factually incorrect. It's actually A Thing. Not the biggest thing, but yes, it's A Thing. I think weft-cut loop demonstrates my point about cultural flattery. He takes this post as a denigration of his culture and therefore seeks to defend. Completely reasonable! I understand that. But then we've got to consider the effect of almost going out of our way to annoy the Upper Income White Suburban voters with conspicuous shows of rah-rah patriotism (and, more importantly, attacks on those deemed insufficiently patriotic). To them it seems dumb and contrived and ginned-up anger. This is really my larger point: People WILL have their way, as far as having the culture politically flattered. If Obama's flattering them, and we're not, they WILL make their preference for being flattered known at the ballot box. Like Adam Levine, I think this country is rather stupid. I think they are vapid and superficial and maleducated. I think they vote on dumb shit like this. So I do think it has an impact. In these cases I think it has an impact quite the opposite of what we desire (that is, it pushes people towards the left rather than pull them towards us).

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:43 AM (LCRYB)

197 Malkin and Coulter (Hannity and O'Reilly too) seem to generate a good deal of angst among some conservatives. I do not understand it. I served with guys who were not the best shots, but they were on my team, and I was a hell of a lot better off with them than without them., and I sure as hell would not have taken shots at *them*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (aDwsi)

198 Hannity hate I understand. Though it's kinda like hating a retarded kid for being retarded.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 01:40 PM (ZPrif)

A retarded kid that asks you a question then loudly interrupts your answer after three words every.fucking.time.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (+xmn4)

199 Be breathlessly over the top describing how elite democrats think the minority kids are genetically inferior to their own. Exaggerate, rant, rave and come right out and say that democrats don't think the majority of black and hispanic kids are worth trying to educate.

Shoot for sea change in minority woman voting patterns. What the fuck do we have to lose?


Ah hell, I'm agreeing with jwest on something.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (sxq57)

200 We can also win elections by running up the white vote. That's how Repubs win in the South you know. If Dems won the same % of the white vote in the South that they do nationally -- they'd win in the South. Because the South is 1/3rd black and they vote 95% Dem. Most Southern whites believe, correctly, that Democrats hate Southern whites -- so they vote Republican.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (ZPrif)

201 I dared to say on twitter that the right was making too much of Dunham's tweets and was immediately castigated for saying that we should applaud such commentary in order to be seen as understanding pop culture. WHICH! I said no such thing! I said folks were making too much of it. So, not only were folks ginned up against Dunham, they launched into anyone who dared suggest it wasn't as big a deal as it was being made out to be.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (DPdf7)

202 Yeah, I'm sure Levine is a douche, I don't like Maroon 5's music, but he appears to be a pretty good judge of talent and the show is actually pretty decent. Especially compared to AI.

And The Voice has this..... http://tinyurl.com/ls3r6bw


Yes, yes, and yes.  And Michelle Chamuel had better win or I'm going to become a Democrat.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (B/VB5)

203 193 Nicely put eoj this is why I have your name in hearts all over my peechee Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 01:42 PM (tliFw) That's a euphemism if I've ever heard one.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (da5Wo)

204 Simple question you already know the answer to but would never occur to silly people and leftists ..

What if Lena the Hogger had Tweeted that for Martin Luther King Day?

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (mCvL4)

205

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 01:41 PM (u2a4R)

 

No... the only way we win elections is to get past the Race stuff... get over the Racial Guilt card played by the left... and put forth an agenda of Racial EQUALITY....

 

including for us Single White Heterosexual Guys...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (lZBBB)

206 Can't we all just agree that Maroon 5 is fucking awful?

Posted by: Witchfinder at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (E1Cat)

207 All I know is that scag, Lena, is a tattooed slut

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (CKNcG)

208 Dialing up the outrage over either of these things is retarded. Especially over Dunham, who's just trying desperately to hold on to her 15th minute of fame.

Posted by: Andy at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (1X0uE)

209 Levine? Never heard of him... Dunham is just plain repulsive so I don't give a rats patootie what she says...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 30, 2013 08:46 AM (9+ccr)

210 "Anybody who hates Malkin is a soulless gutterworm fuckweasel."

I heard that souless gutterworm fuckweasel want to vaccinate our children.  The bastards!

Posted by: Shoot Me at May 30, 2013 08:46 AM (qiXMt)

211 Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:43 PM (LCRYB) Holy shit. I was just cracking a joke about Hannity. Well, really about the Horde.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:46 AM (da5Wo)

212 ***The only way we're going to start winning elections is to convince blacks and hispanics (especially women) that the democrats have been playing them for chumps.** exactly. One donkey tactic from 2012 was the extremely low cost ad buy. You know, late night ads on low quality WB network stuff. We should do that. Get adam corrolla or dennis miller or if we can find a black guy, him. Another thing, those funny looking newspapers in ethnic restaurants? The source of news for a lot of the new demographics? completely bat shit liberal insane. We need to enter the free funny colored newspaper business, just like we should buy Cosmo or the LA Times. Finally, maybe figure out if there any you know, wedge issues these communities may like (aside from more immigration which we only think they like). 1. how anti-catholic the democrats are. This is something that WE know but the donkies get no flack for. 2. affirmative action? Doesn't it hurt asians? 3. gheys? blacks? come on. 4. etc.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:46 AM (QxSug)

213 Yes, yes, and yes. And Michelle Chamuel had better win or I'm going to become a Democrat. *** That gal's version of True Colors might have been better than the original.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (DPdf7)

214 Nicely put eoj this is why I have your name in hearts all over my peechee Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 01:42 PM (tliFw) ------------- I can eat a peechee for hours.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (NfGzw)

215 I don't hate the United States, but I certainly am growing to hate the political class and their enablers in the voting public.

Who knows?  Maybe in a decade or so it will be a blanket hate.

I do know I am going to start looking at citizenship options, because as bad as things are up here in Canada, they are a far cry better than the blatant totalitarianism on the march in the United States of America.


Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (/29Nl)

216 >>Dialing up the outrage over either of these things is retarded. Binders full of women. Retarded works when a large segment of the voting public is retarded.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (g1DWB)

217 >>>I'm not saying this post is an example of it, but you do give off the impression at times that you're pretty disgusted with the opinions and/or beliefs of the majority of your readers. how do you know you're the majority? furthermore, when I say "the right" how do you personalize this into me saying it about you, or any reader, in particular? Are you claiming the right is completely smart and always right on every single matter, such that the offering of any criticism (over tactics!) is tantamount to disloyalty? Jeff, no offense, but take your loyalty oaths and shove them up your ass sideways.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (LCRYB)

218 yep Took a massive piss at McDs -- btw, Happy MLK Day!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (ZPrif)

219 Maroon  5?


that's so 2006

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (KXm42)

220

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 01:44 PM (ZPrif)

 

Yup... to win the Election.. McCain would have to have won something like 70% of the Hispanic vote...

 

But would have only needed to increase his White vote by 3 or 4 percentage points... or should I call it... the non Ethnic Vote? (to be PC?)

 

Numbers... something the GOP does not seem to understand...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (lZBBB)

221 So the blog has been quiet all damn day and now the thread about Levine and Dunham explodes. I hate this country.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (da5Wo)

222

Until you decide that you will in fact, give them their own medicine in every way possible, you're useless to the cause. Posted by: trump at May 30, 2013 01:12 PM (M7Awp)

 

Yeah, Ace is useless.  Tough guy  comment posturing  is much more useful.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 08:48 AM (9KqcB)

223 I couldn't read the whole post and I haven't read the comments but in my opinion, there are way more fucking things to get outraged about these days than dumbtwats Lena Dunham and Adam Levine running their stupid traps. They just don't even make a blip on my outrage meter. Sometimes we're just as bad as the left with our histrionics.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 08:48 AM (B2fm1)

224 What if Lena the Hogger had Tweeted that for Martin Luther King Day? Nobody would have cared. It's twitter. All people do is talk about how often they eat, poop, and do various other mundane functions.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 08:49 AM (+NYjg)

225 >>>So, not only were folks ginned up against Dunham, they launched into anyone who dared suggest it wasn't as big a deal as it was being made out to be. I'm glad there's no groupthink on the right, nor any sort of orthodoxy-enforcement mechanisms.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:49 AM (LCRYB)

226 So here's a question, when the Left does dumb shit like this, why doesn't that repel people from them?

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 08:49 AM (N5ZQC)

227 Jeff, no offense, but take your loyalty oaths and shove them up your ass sideways. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:47 PM (LCRYB) Oh. Sweet.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:49 AM (da5Wo)

228

The only way we're going to start winning elections is to convince blacks and hispanics (especially women) that the democrats have been playing them for chumps.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 01:41 PM (u2a4R)

That isn't the only way but would serve as one part of a broad, all-encompassing offensive composed of many different messaging strategies tailored to many different groups. I happen to think most voting blocs of whatever stripe would find the truth appealing. I could be wrong. 

Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (vtiE6)

229

Jeff, no offense, but take your loyalty oaths and shove them up your ass sideways.

 

Posted by: ace


Lots of fucking RINO talk on this thread.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (SFs98)

230 I hate the country quite often nowadays. Or at least 51% of it. And I expect I'll probably hate it more often in the future. And probably a larger share.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (ZPrif)

231 So here's a question, when the Left does dumb shit like this, why doesn't that repel people from them? *** Do you know any lefty who is capable of reasoned thought?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (DPdf7)

232 In an attempt to be above the fray, you will lose. The fray is where the action is.

Posted by: nip at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (lGVXf)

233 Maroon 5 had that video  with  Kelly Preston in it.


I'll give them that.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (KXm42)

234 I give Levin a pass, I hate half the mofo's in this country too. But to mention peeing in the same breath as remembering our fallen heroes is beyond just being a dopey actress. She knows what the day means to decent people in this country. Whats worse is she knows she can get a pass on stupid shit said from at least half the country.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (jvd3N)

235 so patriotism is bad now? Dear God .... Lena Dunham links memorial say with peeing in Starbucks and thinks we should all have a happy one! First of all it's a solemn say of reflection not a happy day of defication but don't get incensed when someone who should know better tweets that comment... what ever....let it slide because we've let this whole fucking country slide so long there's nothing fucking left to do!!!!! God I miss dagny!!!!! Fuck fuck fuck

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (tliFw)

236 I have no problem demanding faux apologies.  The left does it all the time.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (giblS)

237 Oh. Sweet. *** This made me laugh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (DPdf7)

238

Let me put it this way: When we're outraged by both Adam Levine and the IRS scandal, are we INCREASING the public's perception of the IRS scandal as truly outrageous, or are we telling them "Never mind us, we get our panties in a bunch over practically anything at all"?

 

IMO, they're two separate things.

 

The IRSS scandal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What  happened is inexcusable, a gross misuse of power, and in a perfect world, would result in a new national election and   many in TFG's regime in jail.

 

Levine's problem is psychological in nature:  that  he bitches  and vents on   the country instead of the voters on his little TV show is indicative of a child-like frustration at not being big enough  to reach the cookie jar.  His inflated ego makes him think the whole country is against his superior judgment. He's a  whiny child, and should be treated   as such, preferably with a spanking.

 

In public.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (0HooB)

239 **Upper Income White Suburban voters with conspicuous shows of rah-rah patriotism (and, more importantly, attacks on those deemed insufficiently patriotic).** gee, maybe these crackers like lower taxes, better schools, less affirmative action keeping their precious crap weasels from getting into good colleges. and you know, again, the left isn't made up of fabulous gheys having perfect families and hair in NYC, it's the Wire. And the union thugs. In NYC, aren't the high income whites voting republican? Even if they have to hold their nose about the idea that somewhere out there, a republican voter may watch Nascar and go to church? There was a breakdown of who votes what way in NYC. Its economy is very much dependent on union city workers living off the taxes off of 40,000 people. Those workers and the demographics vote donkey. Everyone else is gop. It's complicated, and I think we're being sold a bill of goods.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (QxSug)

240 Dunham was intentionally dismissive of Memorial Day, but she gets off on being "provocative." This is shy she's constantly naked in her show and why she does stuff like intentionally wear outfits to red carpet events that don't work on her pudgy body. She wants people to call her ugly so she can complain about all this unfair female body judgement, blah, blah, blah.
In this case, why feed the beast (pun intended) by getting outraged, especially when she can't be bothered to be particularly clever or funny when sending "controversial" tweets.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (NDNbv)

241 Dunham is a weasel, which triggers the 'Goggles do Nothin' response, they oversold her as much as the upcoming season of News Room, yes there is an upcoming season of NewsRoom,

Posted by: Dolphins Amalgated Local 220 at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (Jsiw/)

242 Jeff, no offense, but take your loyalty oaths and shove them up your ass sideways. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:47 PM (LCRYB) Oh, and hey, if the bloggers can insult us, does that mean we can insult the bloggers now? Cause I got a serious issue with fucking Andy guy. And don't even get me started on Mr. Star Gazer.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (da5Wo)

243 >>>in an attempt to be above the fray, you will lose. Actually I'm joining the fray -- I'm telling you you're wrong.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (LCRYB)

244 Is this a movie review?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (f9c2L)

245 Ah hell, I'm agreeing with jwest on something.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 01:44 PM (sxq57)

 

That means you're gaining wisdom.  This is a good thing.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (u2a4R)

246 Oh. Sweet.

Jiffy Pop  anyone?

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (KXm42)

247 waiting...

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (i7B17)

248 Ace, you are way over-thinking this one. People who love this country don't say "I hate this country," regardless of how offhand the comment. If they say "I hate this country," it is because that sentiment resonates in their heart. They hate this country. Similarly when someone says "I love this country" (especially in an unscripted, meant to be off-mic comment), it is a real expression of feeling.

__________________________________

Eh, he hates this Country because he's from Southern California that sort of defines itself for the past thirty years as its own country loosely affiliated with the U.S. and he's been to the Disney-small world facade part of Europe. 

He's not unlike the liberal arts dopes who do a "semester in Europe" (by which is meant a federally financed semester in the safe, cosmopolitan parts of European capitols without need for a job, spending the majority of every day and night at leisure visiting museums, restaurants, bars, and clubs) who feel the need to proclaim for months if not years afterwards that the "quality of life" is so superior in Europe - viz, lounging about in the dessicated bones of former colonial empires without a care for financial self-sufficiency or a critical eye to the long term sustainability of said "quality of life."  (nor, even, for what dirty business was engaged to produce such wonderful art and architecture by any given former colonial power).




Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (nnkXw)

249 I think you have to understand where Hannity and O'Reilly are coming from.  They both have TV shows that they want to keep.  That means they can't trash many of the politicians or else they won't come on their shows.  O'Reilly in particular sees himself as a full-fledged member of the New York media - on equal terms with guys like Bob Sheiffer.  Therefore, you will never see him criticize those guys. 

Once you understand where they are coming from then you can understand why they do or don't do whatever they do or don't do.

Posted by: Not an Artist at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (uRumV)

250

Ace-  good points all. 

 

I don't know who Adam Levine is, but his comment sounds innocuous.

Same with that doughy actress.

 

Posted by: LASue at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (pWeX5)

251 So when we say something stupid -- we get hammered and lose. When the Left says something stupid and we respond -- we get hammered and lose. It's like the game is rigged or something.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (ZPrif)

252 Well, despite the disagreements, I think we can all agree that Dunham's persona resembles a nearly transparent, largely shapeless blob of fish guts left out in the sun for a day.  Also, ignorant.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (+xmn4)

253 Jiffy Pop anyone? Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 01:52 PM (KXm42) Please. And I've got some cool Shaker toppings for popcorn. Ranch, Nacho Cheese, Jalapeno.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (da5Wo)

254 You know, we have some reason to expect that Google is sharing data with the Democrats.  Not really any proof of it, but reasons. 

BUT LET'S WASTE ENERGY PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT THE GOOGLE FRONT PICTURE!  RAWR!

Posted by: Shoot Me at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (qiXMt)

255

The only way we're going to start winning elections is to convince blacks and hispanics (especially women) that the democrats have been playing them for chumps.

 

Then what?

 

What do we have to offer? Less government? Is that appealing  to  such voters?

 

I agree we  need direct outreach,  and hit back hard on every single accusation of racism,  but in the end we have to sell a small government message.


 

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (9KqcB)

256 Okay, so maybe this post IS one of those examples. As far as loyalty oaths go, I took what seemed to be a very unpopular position yesterday as to why Jan Brewer wasnt necessarily the liberal devil Drew made her out to be. But I wouldn't expect you to know that. I would however, expect you to pick up my point, which is that our party contains a wider spectrum of opinion than the Dems.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (NfGzw)

257 Everybody's somebody's noob

Posted by: DAve at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (albkL)

258 People who love this country don't say "I hate this country," regardless of how offhand the comment. If they say "I hate this country," it is because that sentiment resonates in their heart.

Nonsense.  As Greg Gutfeld said, it's the equivalent of seeing your neighborhood pub replaced with an Applebees or something and saying "I hate this country".  Nothing is "resonating in your heart", except possibly the empty space where some good whisky used to be.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (B/VB5)

259 No faux anger here.

I think  Adam Levine is a left wing douchebag that actually does hate this country.  He wants to destroy it.  He was so in the tank for Owebama, he truly thinks this country is the most evil thing on the planet and needs to be "fundamentally transformed."

Fuck him.  At no time ever in the history of anything have I ever uttered the words "I hate this country" when I've felt frustration, anger, defeat, humiliation or regret (and that was only on line at the DMV!).

He's a self-important asshole who knows MORE than you because he's RICH and FAMOUS.

No faux here.........

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (xmcEQ)

260 Levine and Dunham are squirrels.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (5fSr7)

261 235 so patriotism is bad now? Dear God .... Lena Dunham links memorial say with peeing in Starbucks and thinks we should all have a happy one! How does this at all diminish patriotism? If I tweeted, 'Merry Christmas! I just spent four hours taking a dump.' Nobody would accuse me of being anti-Christian.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (+NYjg)

262 >>It occurs to me more and more that politics is almost entirely cultural flattery. What if the shit we say matters -- policies, outcomes-- matters hardly a whit in elections? What if the real key to politics is flattering the cultural outlook 51% of the voters so that they think well of you (and thereby think well of themselves)?
=========

Which gets me to the leaders of both parties. If you're looking for someone like you or like what you want to be, which party has the goods?

You got the Dems doing damned near anything they want and the Reps mostly in a "don't hit me again" cower. Hell, fuckoffs like Peter King, John McCain, Charlie Christ, Crisie Cristi out and tell the world, "Yeah, I'm a Republican and even I hate Republicans."

But, it gets better. Go to your next, local Republican County Executive Committee meeting.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (VjL9S)

263

Another way I look at this is these people have no moral or philosophical compass.  They're vacuous.  I refuse to waste  my time on quantifying a vacuum. 

 

Unless they hold positions of power.  Then they become dangerous.

 

I've come to accept Rush's premise on this country.   The US can survive this onslaught of government lawlessness.  What it can't survive is a majority of people that keep giving it power.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (UTrUJ)

264 245Ah hell, I'm agreeing with jwest on something.
Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 01:44 PM (sxq57) That means you're gaining wisdom. This is a good thing.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 01:52 PM (u2a4R)

You had to go and fuck it up didn't you.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (+xmn4)

265 I am serious with my question. We are warned off of tactics all the time because they will drive people away. Yet the Left does it all the time, and I don't know if you're keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked back there. It's like all the civility talk, it is meant to silence. It is like Lee Atwater died in vain, Take a wedge issue, stick the pointy end in, and hit the hell out of it. There is some value in making tastemakers distasteful. Lena Dunham I think was just being a smart ass. She gets lots of positive feedback for being that, so she should appear as she is. If she's a tasteless twat, then maybe all that Obama love is less appealing. It doesn't have to be a huge thing, but make it a thing. And keep piling them up.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (N5ZQC)

266 Everyone must coordinate their outrage for the cause!!! Cause that's so fun. You there! You are outraged about the wrong thing at the wrong time. Report here tomorrow and we'll tell you what to be outraged about!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (ZPrif)

267 Then again, where I live, it's so blue, you'd think we're living in Pandora. Of course, I live in the Wire. I don't know how much of it is boutique white person problem issues like ghey marriage or the fear that someone somewhere is going to church and watching Nascar. It could be that what happened to California, happened to Maryland and is now happening to Virginia.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (QxSug)

268 Typing on an iPhone sucks!!!!! Say equals day

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (tliFw)

269 I took what seemed to be a very unpopular position yesterday as to why Jan Brewer wasnt necessarily the liberal devil Drew made her out to be. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 01:54 PM (NfGzw) Whoa, easy there Mr. Broad Brush. Some of us were on board.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (da5Wo)

270 Same with that doughy actress.

I think the Style Guide demands a "FUPA" reference here.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (B/VB5)

271 I know Stanley Dunham is barky's momma, but who is Levine? Don't really matter. He ain't on Duck Dynasty so he ain't shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (YIZv0)

272 Can't we all just agree that Maroon 5 is fucking awful? Yeah, I know, seriously...

Posted by: Nickelback at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (fMiHM)

273 I'm Adam's hot model girlfriend and I can't decide which I love more...Adam or those tasty lil' hamburgers at Hardees...pfffffft...I have one about as often as the other...don't cha know...

Posted by: Nina Agdel at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (ED/BE)

274 The fray is where the action is.

Posted by: nip at May 30, 2013 01:51 PM (lGVXf)


---


Screw the fray.   The administration is torpedoed over Benghazi....  The IRS is in a clusterfuck over targeting and the damn is about to break.... Holder IS going to answer for perjury and the MFM has turned against the administration.....


.... and we're biting each others backs over The Voice and Lena Dunham????


.... focus people!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (nELVU)

275 Cause I got a serious issue with fucking Andy guy. And don't even get me started on Mr. Star Gazer. At least CAC has moved on from the Wisconsin recall

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (+NYjg)

276 I will admit it.... on election night, whilst helping CAC with his vote count thingy, and seeing that good folks were going down.... I said: I hate this country. Did I mean I hate this country? No. It meant I hate the assholes who are ruining it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (DPdf7)

277 If she's a tasteless twat
___________________

Eh, that's not what I'm imagining.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (nnkXw)

278 I like CAC's astronomy posts.  Gives the place some much-needed class.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (B/VB5)

279 There is some value in making tastemakers distasteful.
and
It doesn't have to be a huge thing, but make it a thing. And keep piling them up.

Are exactly right.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (sxq57)

280 "no I'm just sayin', weft-cut loop is offering the claim "No one's actually talking about this, you're making it all up." So, *no.* Factually incorrect. It's actually A Thing. Not the biggest thing, but yes, it's A Thing." And when a pol tweets a dick pic, it gets wall to wall coverage and heavy weekend work on some blogs. Not really buying into the outrage about the outrage.

Posted by: John Roberts at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (NcPjb)

281

I just heard yesterday that the Chinese bought Smithfield Foods, meaning I'm getting ham from the ChiComs now.

 

I hate that country. 

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (tVWQB)

282 So, I take it that the movie sucked?

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (96M6e)

283 Wait a sec.. what about all the bitchin right here about how this country has gone to shit?  I see it all the time. "I hate what this country has become."

Isn't that what this Levine guy is doing?

Not that I really give a rat's ass.. but people take comments waaaay too fucking seriously.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (f9c2L)

284 and I know plenty of swells who say things like they hate this country. One, it's a fear that someone out there may be watching nascar or going to church. Two, it's a general feeling that we make crap here, eat crap food, and get way too fat. Three, there's the fear that some rich liberal college professor in France or Europe in general might look down their nose at us. That is, American hoi polloi need to be punished for their aesthetic sins. Nonetheless, they can still be tricked into holding their noses and voting for the GOP. It's happened before.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (QxSug)

285 Ham is the new pork.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (ZPrif)

286 You had to go and fuck it up didn't you.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 01:55 PM (+xmn4)

 

 

You prolly should take a shower, just to be safe.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (i7B17)

287 >>>so patriotism is bad now? Dear God .... no. But it's not 2004 anymore. Playing the Patriotism Card with wild abandon, I think, hurts. I think it hurts because it appears to be a transparent attempt at politicking. I get annoyed when Liberals attempt to put us on the wrong foot by asking us stupid questions like "But you do agree that racism is bad, right?" That's not really a question; it's an insult passively-aggressively disguised as a question. That question is designed to suggest that maybe we don't think that (thus denormalizing us). It's also designed to get us constantly swearing fealty to the current regime of political correctness. If one of us appeared on David Gregory's show, for example, he'd have us swearing allegiance to a dozen children's-book Liberal Morals rather than let us discuss our actual beliefs. I don't really think the right's version of it, demanding that people frequently re-affirm their love of country, is much better. And I do think at one point it was politically *helpful.* But those days are long, long gone. Further, again, I have to say that I think Obama set out to prove that America is not an exceptional country, and his re-election did in fact mostly prove that. It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (LCRYB)

288 And when a pol tweets a dick pic, it gets wall to wall coverage and heavy weekend work on some blogs.


Not really buying into the outrage about the outrage.

Posted by: John Roberts at May 30, 2013 01:57 PM (NcPjb)


I stay away from those blogs...

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (AWmfW)

289 Not really buying into the outrage about the outrage. It's outrageous, all this outrage about outrage regarding outrage...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (fMiHM)

290 >> Dunham was intentionally dismissive of Memorial Day, but she gets off on being "provocative." This is shy she's constantly naked in her show and why she does stuff like intentionally wear outfits to red carpet events that don't work on her pudgy body. She wants people to call her ugly so she can complain about all this unfair female body judgement, blah, blah, blah. In this case, why feed the beast (pun intended) by getting outraged, especially when she can't be bothered to be particularly clever or funny when sending "controversial" tweets. Bingo. She trolled the hell out of Twitter, and we (well some of us) fell for it hook, line and sinker. Giving her the reaction she sought simply reinforces the behavior.

Posted by: Andy at May 30, 2013 09:00 AM (M+8O9)

291 282 So, I take it that the movie sucked? Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 01:58 PM (96M6e) The movie sucked. However, the Easter Egg at the end is apparently a shooting war between Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:00 AM (da5Wo)

292 Think your day is going bad? What kind of shit did you do in your last life to be killed by a frickin' beaver. http://tinyurl.com/k5trfam The fisherman wanted his photo shot with a beaver. The beaver had other ideas: It attacked the 60-year-old man with razor-sharp teeth, slicing an artery and causing him to bleed to death. It was the most serious in a string of beaver attacks on humans in Belarus, as the rodents have turned increasingly aggressive when confronted by humans after wandering near homes, shops and schools.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 09:01 AM (fWAjv)

293 >>I am serious with my question. We are warned off of tactics all the time because they will drive people away. Yet the Left does it all the time, and I don't know if you're keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked back there. Frankly, I don't think we show enough outrage. We let little shit go, stuff the left turns into the cause of the day, and save all our outrage for big stuff like the IRS trampling all over the Constitution. We should be outraged about that but we can also be outraged "light" on the little shit as well. People do not like Obama's policies, poll after poll shows this. But his personal popularity is still high enough to get him elected and re-elected. Chip away at his personal approval and approval of the left as a whole and they got squat.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:01 AM (g1DWB)

294 224 What if Lena the Hogger had Tweeted that for Martin Luther King Day?

Nobody would have cared.

It's twitter. All people do is talk about how often they eat, poop, and do various other mundane functions. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 01:49 PM

Au Contraire. She would have had her publicist release a statement about how sorry she is to have offended anyone because MLK is her hero and she loves all black people.


Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 09:01 AM (mCvL4)

295 If I tweeted, 'Merry Christmas! I just spent four hours taking a dump.' Nobody would accuse me of being anti-Christian.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 01:55 PM (+NYjg)



You might wanna see a doctor about that.

Posted by: Bob Dole at May 30, 2013 09:01 AM (W7ffl)

296

255The only way we're going to start winning elections is to convince blacks and hispanics (especially women) that the democrats have been playing them for chumps.

Then what?

What do we have to offer? Less government? Is that appealing to such voters?

I agree we need direct outreach, and hit back hard on every single accusation of racism, but in the end we have to sell a small government message.

 

Then what?  We eliminate the public school systems in all under-performing cities and "give" them a free-market based, voucher paid educational system. 

 

In doing so, we continuously remind them that for generations their kids, husbands, fathers and grandfathers were passed from grade to grade uneducated because the democrats traded their future for union votes.

 

Instead of trying to answer accusations of racism, turn the tables and show how the true racists have been the democrats and their hate for minority school kids all along.  Tie it all to money, power and votes. 

 

Make is so that child molesters look down on democrats.  That's how to win.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (u2a4R)

297 This post reminds me of this scene:


http://youtu.be/G5GJHYXrjhY



Whee!!!  What a predicament.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (GQ8sn)

298 Seriously give this pair a break - it is not as though they were dog eating Marxists who were trying to fundamentally change the greatest country in the history of the World into the sort of third world shithole they were familiar with so they could feel more at home in it.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (ylhEn)

299 I've also felt that words have meaning. I don't buy into the "I said it, but I didn't mean it." defense.

Posted by: brando at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (IPGju)

300 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.

That's not what the "outrage" is about.  The "outrage" is meant to make these douchebags look like douchebags.  Levine could have said *anything* that makes him look like the shitweasel he is, and it should garner the same response.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (sxq57)

301

The reason that the left gets away with faux outrage is that the MSM and Hollywood is always there to cover for the offender. They will breathlessly explain the nuance of the statement, and then state that those of us on the right are just too stoopid to understand what the offender meant.

 

Having said that, I wonder what the spin on Natalie Maines's comments would be if they were made today.

Posted by: Needs a nic at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (tl7W6)

302

Why bother playing fair with these assholes? What's it gotten us?

Barack Obama twice.

Sorry, time to fight fire with fire. Smear them every chance you get.

Posted by: Ed at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (YQqq9)

303 However, the Easter Egg at the end is apparently a shooting war between Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. *fast forwards VCR*

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (96M6e)

304 Ace: "Like Adam Levine, I think this country is rather stupid. I think they are vapid and superficial and maleducated."

And this is important to note. That is not hyperbole or understatement.

When I was getting my six months of chemo, I was in a clinic with lots of regular folks (LIVs) for several hours each treatment and stuck watching the consensus pick on the idiot boxes. It was stupefyingly asinine moronitude from daily TV. I mean seriously brain-sucking rot (e.g.Ricky Lake). Guess what pretty much every show had as an undercurrent at some point in the daily discussion? Bash the conservative. Not once was there a critique or off-handed remark about the Obama administration. Get that? Not. One. Instance. for six months from the middle to the end of last year -- an election year. But cheap, ignorant shots at the Right were simply routine and reflex.

So, yeah, it actually does matter whether or not we engage on these trivial events. By abandoning the field, the opposing side is gaining territory. The milieu of life is being flooded with pro-Progressive, anti-Conservative chatter and is setting the behavioral baseline. The last reelection of Obama proved it.

The "trivial" matters much as we might wish it didn't.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (eHIJJ)

305 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.
_________________________

Ironically, I think the only thing mitigating this for me is the thoughts that 1) the electorate simply isn't that informed, and certainly not as to the most nefarious and negative aspects of Obama; and 2) much of the reason he was elected twice is a (misapplied) American virtue of fairness.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (nnkXw)

306 So a "similar" letter to the ones that were sent to Bloomberg got sent to Obama. Is any of this shit really dangerous/ricin? Is it a real attack or not? Sucks being unable to trust the principals of the story or the press covering it.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (ZshNr)

307 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.


Right?  I never thought I'd feel this way.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (KXm42)

308

Adam Levine's comment is directly related to the people who voted his people off the show.  The 'country'  votes people on and off the show.   Maybe a bad choice of word but I knew exactly what he meant.

 

On the other hand, the chunky chick is just a liberal retard who deserves all the scorn that can be heaped on her.  People like her are the reason are country is going to hell in a handbasket.   And ace wants us not to get outraged when our culture is the least ethical with  the least morals  its ever  been  ever. 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (m2CN7)

309 Ace is right, people have other issues to think about then a badly considered joke. The voters laugh off any party that tries to turn it into a months long issue

Posted by: El Rushbo at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (mCvL4)

310 >>>I would however, expect you to pick up my point, which is that our party contains a wider spectrum of opinion than the Dems. If that was the point, I missed it, it went over my head. The point I took was that I was doing something wrong by expressing beliefs which were contrary to what a claimed "majority" of readers believed.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (LCRYB)

311 "44 Ah, Maroon 5. That's that group with the lead singer who sounds like a constipated Keebler elf, correct? Posted by: Waterhouse, not narrowing things down" Exactly.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (X7MMs)

312


The fisherman wanted his photo shot with a beaver. The beaver had other ideas: It attacked the 60-year-old man with razor-sharp teeth, slicing an artery and causing him to bleed to death.

It was the most serious in a string of beaver attacks on humans in Belarus, as the rodents have turned increasingly aggressive when confronted by humans after wandering near homes, shops and schools.

 

RWC at May 30, 2013 02:01 PM (fWAjv)

 

------------------

 

I TOLD you those small furry land rodents are fucking dangerous!

Posted by: Jimmah Carter at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (tVWQB)

313 Given enough reading material, four hours is really not all that long...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (f9c2L)

314 Couple thoughts: 1. I do not for a second believe that every single person on the left actually believes that every single person on the right is raaaaacist. They pretend they believe it, and they use if for political expediency. It's pretend ignorance, the same pretend ignorance as MSNBC hosts equating Tea Party rhetoric of "return to Constitutionality" meaning the Tea Party wants to go back to enslaving blacks. It's still vile. Actually more vile since the Left knows damn well they're playing dumb. But they do not really believe we're all raaaaacist. They're just happy to pretend they believe it. 2. The Dunham and Levine kerfuffles were ridiculous and I am glad I posted no hatred towards those two on any sites. Levine could just as well as said "I hate my life." Maybe he should have. Either way, it's an expression, not a fact. And those on the right who were wishing cancer on Dunham over her Tweets deserve all the scorn they received for it. Twitchy is an entertaining site but they are starting to encourage this crap.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (7ObY1)

315 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:59 PM (LCRYB)



Well, there's something to that.  I am ashamed of my country because of the last 2 elections and the direction Americans are trying to take it.  But I love it nonetheless, as much as I ever have.

I guess pride means different things to different people.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (xmcEQ)

316

I have no problem demanding faux apologies. The left does it all the time. Posted by: @PurpAv at May 30, 2013 01:51 PM (giblS)

 

So  we've joined the Politics as Theater  Lunch Table?  Pass.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (9KqcB)

317 Screw the fray. The administration is torpedoed over Benghazi.... The IRS is in a clusterfuck over targeting and the damn is about to break.... Holder IS going to answer for perjury and the MFM has turned against the administration..... .... and we're biting each others backs over The Voice and Lena Dunham???? .... focus people!!! Chinese Proverb: When a finger points at the moon, the imbecile looks at the finger.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (U2UQk)

318

Who the F&ck is Adam Levine ?

 

Please don't promote him by quoting stupid shit he said 

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (nTgAI)

319 Au Contraire. She would have had her publicist release a statement about how sorry she is to have offended anyone because MLK is her hero and she loves all black people. Nope. People wouldn't have cared. I (a commenter on AoS) guarantee it with absolute metaphysical certitude.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (+NYjg)

320 a. a lot of the outrage these two are feeling is genuine from their fans/critics. not from gop leadership. right? b. gop leadership has their hands full with real stuff right now.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (QxSug)

321

Like Adam Levine, I think this country is rather stupid. I think they are vapid and superficial and maleducated."

Do you know Adam Levine?  Pretty bold outrageous statement you're making.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (m2CN7)

322 Ace is right, people have other issues to think about then a badly considered joke. The voters laugh off any party that tries to turn it into a months long issue

Posted by: Mitt Romney's Binders at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (mCvL4)

323 >>> Right? I never thought I'd feel this way. I mean part of what I'm trying to say is that I think a LOT of us here feel this way, so there's a certain amount of dishonesty (or selective acknowledgement) going on when we claim that this sentiment, offered by a liberal, is bad in and of itself (that is, that one should never utter such a sentiment, ever, no matter what the country might be up to).

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (LCRYB)

324 FWIW, before the Levine story hit the right-wing news this was the top trend on yahoo for a good part of the morning yesterday. Yahoo is certainly not littered with REICH-WINGERS!!! but people were interested in this story.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (pLTLS)

325 Obama won the last election with bullshit fake outrage stories like this -- aka War on Women. The Left loves to call Repubs racist. The Dems never discourage it. Why would they? It works. Alinsky again. The best tactics are the ones your people enjoy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (ZPrif)

326

# 318  I'm with you.  Who? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (wbmaj)

327 I agree with Levine's sentiment. After electing an inexperienced commie to be President twice, I have a serious loathing for about 1/2 our country, many of them are probably his show's viewers.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (UU0OF)

328 Ace - there is a very vocal minority here that shouts down dissenting opinions.  I'm not sure you could even attempt to pin down what a "majority" of readers thinks.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (f9c2L)

329 Hate the game, not the playah. Wait. Strike that. Reverse it.

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (96M6e)

330 Dunham thing was right wing news. Levine thing was mainstream cause he did it live on a hit fucking TV show. Voice is beating American Idol now, right? #1 talent show on TV.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (ZPrif)

331 Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:59 PM (LCRYB) But it's not 2004 anymore. Playing the Patriotism Card with wild abandon, I think, hurts. I think it hurts because it appears to be a transparent attempt at politicking. I agree with this ace. As a former lefty, i can say this is the way the typical foot skier liberal sees the insistence on vocal patriotism by the right. I hadn't realized it before.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (qPCAa)

332 Twitchy is an entertaining site but they are starting to encourage this crap.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 02:03 PM (7ObY1)

 

Sometimes you fight fire with fire.

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (nTgAI)

333 Adam Levine's comment is directly related to the people who voted his people off the show. The 'country' votes people on and off the show. Maybe a bad choice of word but I knew exactly what he meant.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 02:03 PM (m2CN7) 


So, why wouldn't you say "I hate these voters" then?  I hate this country?!?!?

Seriously?

Just a brush off?  Well, fun.  Trah lah lah lu lah......

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (xmcEQ)

334 >>>Like Adam Levine, I think this country is rather stupid. I think they are vapid and superficial and maleducated." pretty sure he thinks that. All liberals do. They pride themselves on being "above" the masses. I think that way now because of similar, and yet opposite, reasons. I guess I too now pride myself on being "above" the masses, who voted for Obama not once but twice.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (LCRYB)

335

"Ace is right, people have other issues to think about then a badly considered joke. The voters laugh off any party that tries to turn it into a months long issue."

 

Just like they did Mitt Romney's dog.

Posted by: Ed at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (YQqq9)

336

It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the
country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the
emotion I once had.

 

And with immigration and family breakdown, such elections become more likely  each time.  Getting past denial is the first step.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (9KqcB)

337 Gentlemen and Gentlewomen:  I had another XXX dream about Catherine Herridge.  Does that me a bad person or just really really old? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (wbmaj)

338 MWR - @150

Hawt.  I heart you.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (/29Nl)

339 The fisherman wanted his photo shot with a beaver. The beaver had other ideas: It attacked the 60-year-old man with razor-sharp teeth, slicing an artery and causing him to bleed to death.

It was the most serious in a string of beaver attacks on humans in Belarus, as the rodents have turned increasingly aggressive when confronted by humans after wandering near homes, shops and schools.



Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 02:01 PM (fWAjv)

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

The moral of the story:  Don't be picking up strange beaver.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (UTrUJ)

340 #337  uh---"make" me a bad person

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (wbmaj)

341 Ace - there is a very vocal minority here that shouts down dissenting opinions. I'm not sure you could even attempt to pin down what a "majority" of readers thinks.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 02:05 PM (f9c2L)

 

You are wrong. SILENCE,YOU HERETIC !

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 09:07 AM (nTgAI)

342 >>>Ace - there is a very vocal minority here that shouts down dissenting opinions. I'm not sure you could even attempt to pin down what a "majority" of readers thinks. well I didn't mean to imply that MY thoughts reflected majority opinion, either. I meant to say that EoJ couldn't know that. I can't know it either. I have no idea what the "majority" thinks. Given that there would be a spectrum of takes, with lots of variations, I'm not sure how you could even ascertain what the "majority" thought.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:07 AM (LCRYB)

343 So we've joined the Politics as Theater Lunch Table? Pass.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 02:03 PM (9KqcB)



Sometimes, to defeat an enemy (that's what they are, right?  Owebama said so), you have to get in their heads and swim around awhile.  Think like they do.  Act like they do.

They're winning and killing us off along the way, if you haven't noticed.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (xmcEQ)

344 If Chris Christie were to explode, would FEMA have to be called in to clean up the mess?  I just don't think ServPro could handle it. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (wbmaj)

345 yeah.. that's what I said..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (f9c2L)

346 And I've got some cool Shaker toppings for popcorn. Ranch, Nacho Cheese, Jalapeno. Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 01:54 PM (da5Wo) *sits next to BC* Beer?

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (0MVzQ)

347 So we've joined the Politics as Theater Lunch Table?

That's how the left scores points.  Not my rules.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (giblS)

348 I have bad news and good news ...

A private jet has crashed killing everyone on board

The good news is those one board were Justin Bieber, Lena Dunham, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ed Schultz, and Toure


Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (mCvL4)

349 The fisherman wanted his photo shot with a beaver. The beaver had other ideas: It attacked the 60-year-old man with razor-sharp teeth, slicing an artery and causing him to bleed to death. It was the most serious in a string of beaver attacks on humans in Belarus, as the rodents have turned increasingly aggressive when confronted by humans after wandering near homes, shops and schools. Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 02:01 PM (fWAjv) Obligatory YouTubeage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWmvL6b5G6k

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (fNpC1)

350 As a former lefty...

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 02:05 PM (qPCAa)




Welcome to the party!

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (GQ8sn)

351 I am disturbed that we are discussing Lena Dunham and aggressive beavers in the same thread. Focus people, focus!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (aDwsi)

352 I am disturbed that we are discussing Lena Dunham and aggressive beavers in the same thread. Focus people, focus! Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 02:09 PM (aDwsi)
Well, now I regret checking in.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (VtjlW)

353
Haven't read the comments, so I'm going to open my big mouth anyway.

I see the point about the weakness of the "evidence", and it's a fair argument. Yet we should consider that the "outrage" is making these two leftist Suckers Of Cock extremely uncomfortable, a worthwhile goal in the ongoing Culture War. I honestly don't care if it's a fair tactic or not. No matter how honorably we fight, the leftists will gleefully embrace the most cocksuckerish of cocksucker moves as long as it's effective.

Just as a side note, an interesting question to ponder: Which leftist Sucker Of Cock has actually sucked more real, in-the-flesh cock? Adam Levine or Lena Dunham?


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 30, 2013 09:09 AM (TIIx5)

354 >>>Just like they did Mitt Romney's dog. I think you're missing an important point I made at the end of the post. If you are saying you have the MORAL RIGHT to use this tactic, because the left uses it against you -- I AGREE, and explicitly said so. We have the right to play tit-for-tat according to the rules set by those who dominate the rules-making committee (the left). But just because I have the right to use a tactic doesn't mean that I will profit from doing so. In fact, sometimes the tactic may backfire on me. Say, for example, if the refs were all bought-and-paid-for by the other team. But of course that's crazy. That would never happen.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (LCRYB)

355 "Actually I'm joining the fray -- I'm telling you you're wrong. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 01:51 PM (LCRYB)" Oh well hell, why bother with a comments section then? You just fucking deem it so. I guess it turns out EoJ was right.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (NcPjb)

356 I mean part of what I'm trying to say is that I think a LOT of us here feel this way, so there's a certain amount of dishonesty (or selective acknowledgement) going on when we claim that this sentiment, offered by a liberal, is bad in and of itself (that is, that one should never utter such a sentiment, ever, no matter what the country might be up to).

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:04 PM (LCRYB)

No, but I do believe he should be mocked and mercilessly derided by the right because he is an unrepentant leftist and demonstrated that he cried like a girl with a skinned knee when he lost.

Posted by: Heralder at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (+xmn4)

357 Au Contraire. She would have had her publicist release a statement about how sorry she is to have offended anyone because MLK is her hero and she loves all black people. Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:01 PM (mCvL4) And then there would be a 'special edition' Girls episode where she confronts her African American lesbian gal-pals tormentors who are Conservatives.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (fWAjv)

358
brb, commencin to readin

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (vanqS)

359 With a special prosecutor, the probe would immediately move to the shadows, and the Administration and the IRS would use it as an excuse to limit its cooperation with Congress. Special prosecutors aren't famous for their speed, and a decision on indictments would extend well past the 2014 election. If there were no indictments, whatever the prosecutor has discovered would stay secret. And even if specific criminal charges were filed, the facts of an indictment couldn't stray far from the four corners of the violated statute.

So with a special prosecutor we will only find out bits of what happened, years from now. What is Obama waiting for?

Posted by: Team Xerox at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (e8kgV)

360 "I should also say that since Obama has been elected -- twice -- my very own estimation of this country has declined. I imagine that's true for many of you, as well, so I'm not sure what we'd be proving here even were we to prove it."


That was initially true but the revelations of the extent to which Barack Obama and his minions broke the law in order to harass and suppress Tea Party organizations and Republican grass roots organizers in order to scare them off from participating in the 2012 election has substantially changed my estimation.


Try this analogy on for size.  You find out that your wife has recently had sex with someone else.  Does it affect your opinion of her if she chose to do this because she thinks he is hot and she does not care about you or would you feel differently if you found out that he slipped roofies into her drink and screwed her while she was unconscious?  I mean you still have to live with the STD that he gave her that got passed on to you, but perhaps the negative feelings that you initially felt for her might be transferred to him?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (31Nrp)

361 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had. You have to seperate the twatwaffles from the country. They are not representative of what this country is about or why it was founded. They are invaders. And we have not yet begun to fight.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (YIZv0)

362 I mean part of what I'm trying to say is that I think a LOT of us here feel this way, so there's a certain amount of dishonesty (or selective acknowledgement) going on when we claim that this sentiment, offered by a liberal, is bad in and of itself (that is, that one should never utter such a sentiment, ever, no matter what the country might be up to). Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:04 PM (LCRYB) That's not entirely true. The person uttering the phrase gives that phrase at least some of it's context. Person you like walks up to you "Hey motherfucker!" Person you hate walks up "Hey motherfucker!" Two identical statements, but the person making those statements changes the meaning utterly.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (da5Wo)

363 it is funny, then, that the left was smearing the tea party by calling them anti-government forces

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (QxSug)

364 If that was the point, I missed it, it went over my head. The point I took was that I was doing something wrong by expressing beliefs which were contrary to what a claimed "majority" of readers believed. ------------------ Didn't say you were doing anything "wrong," just different. As far as what makes me think some of my views are in the majority, two of them come to mind: abortion and faith. The majority of this country, sheer numbers I mean, identify as belonging to a monotheistic religion, which you don't. Same with abortion - the country has now tipped back (very slightly) into a majority anti-abortion crowd.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (NfGzw)

365 The "trivial" matters much as we might wish it didn't. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 30, 2013 02:02 PM (eHIJJ) I agree completely with your diagnosis (and great example of the mindless, mouth-breathing drumbeat of "bash the conservative, haw haw haw") But the problem is that conservative policy, as undergirded by conservative philosophy & psychology, runs totally against doing what the Left does. In other words, there's a degree to which the FORM of the tactic is itself the CONTENT. Rhetorical cheap-shots and groupthink point-and-laugh-for-solidarity is a great strategy for the Left because their policies actually require people to act like juvenile sheep. The tactics encourage the desired thought & behavior patterns for their policies to have any appeal. Conservative policies, on the other hand, require and appeal to thinking adults, and you can't build a consensus of thinking adults by using tactics that encourage the opposite behaviors. That's why we can't successfully use the Left's playbook, tempting as it may be.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (Y5I9o)

366 The point is that "ginned up outrage" works for the left and continually marinates the public consciousness in their memes and talking points until they become accepted as valid ideas and arguments.

It works.
So, GIN UP!! and let them have it.
Screw this "true to thine own self" political etiquette
.
This
Is.
War.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at May 30, 2013 09:12 AM (jfWE9)

367 Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 02:11 PM (da5Wo) Must. Not. Type. It. Must. Resist.
Arrrrggghhhhh *twitches on floor*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:12 AM (VtjlW)

368 I have bad news and good news ...

A private jet has crashed killing everyone on board

The good news is those one board were Justin Bieber, Lena Dunham, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ed Schultz, and Toure


Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:09 PM (mCvL4)

 

You forgot Geraldo

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 09:12 AM (nTgAI)

369 I have a funny feeling this post will end up as the ONT tonight.




Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:12 AM (GQ8sn)

370 Is there a new post up yet?

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (IEgq0)

371
okay, I thought this was about Andy Levine..

brb, readin more

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (FC8Yl)

372 pretty sure he thinks that. All liberals do. They pride themselves on being "above" the masses.

______________________________


I think the problem is that leftists identify with this idea, and lots of the mush on in the middle sort of aspire to be "above" the average, and therefore adopt leftist tropes in public in order to identify with the sophisticates.

The patriotism thing circa 2001-2004 really pissed off the leftists because this didn't work quite so well, particularly in the context of foreign and military policy, with spillover into the "diversity" ethos.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (nnkXw)

373 Interesting day for this study to get released. Being confident and loud is the best way to win an argument - even if you are wrong, a new study suggests. >>Researchers from Washington State University drew this conclusion after studying the activity of Twitter users. The more opinionated they were, the more influential and trustworthy they were perceived to be. http://tinyurl.com/pmlyuwt

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (g1DWB)

374 look, the white people we didn't get to vote for us in 2012 were either very very concerned with the boutique white person problems that the democrats cater to or they were union members. Off hand, the % of whites that Romney got was very high. And Romney got a lot of independent endorsements. He also skull fucked obama in the first debate. Oh yeah, plus every college grad in the country has moved back in with their families. If there was distaste about rah rah southerners going to church and waiving flags at nascar events, I'd say it was subdued. Of course, demographics don't care about any of that. for some reason.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (QxSug)

375 So, why wouldn't you say "I hate these voters" then? I hate this country?!?!?Seriously?Just a brush off? Well, fun. Trah lah lah lu lah......

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 02:05 PM (xmcEQ)

 

Because  they refer to the country voting , audience voting across the country, viewers across the country, etc  all the time.    He has never said anything in the past to indicate the the meaning others are giving to it. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (m2CN7)

376 Make is so that child molesters look down on democrats. That's how to win.


You mean use the truth against the Democrats?

Wouldn't the Republicans have to abandon the Gentleman's club in the Senate?   NOOOO not that - where would John McCain live in that world?
 

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (ylhEn)

377 So here's a question, when the Left does dumb shit like this, why doesn't that repel people from them?
==========
Because Americans love a winner. And lately, they don't care how they win, they just want to latch onto the winning team.

Let's look at sports, the worst of the worst "professional" sports: The NBA. In about two weeks, some major city is going to suffer the "winners riot." And the rampant cheating, the flops, the clear massaging of the outcome by the refs won't matter a whit: They supported a winner and that makes them a winner and "let me violently show the world how awesome I am because I am a fan of the winning team."

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 09:13 AM (VjL9S)

378 Interesting day for this study to get released.

Being confident and loud is the best way to win an argument - even if you are wrong, a new study suggests.

>>Researchers from Washington State University drew this conclusion after studying the activity of Twitter users. The more opinionated they were, the more influential and trustworthy they were perceived to be.

http://tinyurl.com/pmlyuwt

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 02:13 PM (g1DWB)



Now I understand why global warming has taken over so many weak minds.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:14 AM (GQ8sn)

379 *sits next to BC* Beer? Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 02:08 PM (0MVzQ) Sure. Tap, bottle or can?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:14 AM (da5Wo)

380 72.6 million on Medicare. Nearly 11 million on SS Disability. These two celebutwats are not what is putting us at risk for anything.

Posted by: jakeman at May 30, 2013 09:14 AM (96M6e)

381 366 The point is that "ginned up outrage" works for the left and continually marinates the public consciousness in their memes and talking points until they become accepted as valid ideas and arguments. If half the country yawned at Gosnell, how do you plan to gin up outrage over this?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (+NYjg)

382 Yet we should consider that the "outrage" is making these two leftist Suckers Of Cock extremely uncomfortable, a worthwhile goal in the ongoing Culture War.

Yep.  Its all about collecting scalps and counting coup with the left.  This shit maybe stupid and trivial, but it bugs the crap out of them.

If you're lucky, you can get others chiming in in their defense to say something even juicier and get a feedback loop going that'll produce a genuinely telling blow at some point.


Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (giblS)

383 Did I see laceyunderalls  just streak through the post?

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (IEgq0)

384 Must. Not. Type. It. Must. Resist. Arrrrggghhhhh *twitches on floor* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:12 PM (VtjlW) Oh go ahead. We're pretty close to weapons free in this thread anyway.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (da5Wo)

385 348 I have bad news and good news ... A private jet has crashed killing everyone on board The good news is those one board were Justin Bieber, Lena Dunham, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ed Schultz, and Toure Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:09 PM (mCvL4) Oh no. Prayers sent. for Michael Moore's pallbearers.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (fWAjv)

386

*twitches on floor*

 

 

I just make your point, BC.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (i7B17)

387

Then what? We eliminate the public school systems in all under-performing cities..

 

Meaning, in all cities period. How the hell will we ever been in a position to eliminate public  schools? That will get us a smattering of applause at the Libertarian  convention at the Holiday Inn.

 

In doing so, we continuously remind them that for generations their kids, husbands, fathers and grandfathers were passed from grade to grade uneducated because the democrats traded their future for union votes.

 

Fathers?  That's the #1 reason  schools in black communities suck - there are no fathers. Unions rank a distant second.

 

Instead of trying to answer accusations of racism, turn the tables and show how the true racists have been the democrats and their hate for minority school kids all along.

 

That's what the school choice movement  has tried  since 2000. Didn't work.  Black  Americans are not going to be convinced that Democrats are anti-black racists. But we can convince  white Americans and open-minded minorities that Democrats  are the only party to practice overt racial politics.

 

I think that to win the minority vote, we simply have to go to the communities and sell the conservative message, and if we can covert 25%, we'll take it.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (9KqcB)

388 >>>Yet we should consider that the "outrage" is making these two leftist Suckers Of Cock extremely uncomfortable, a worthwhile goal in the ongoing Culture War Is it? let me suggest that people who want to do a certain thing will tend to find evidence of the efficacy of doing that certain thing. I see no evidence that Levine is bothered by this. His reactions to it were snarky, dismissive, and free of any hurt or concern. I don't know what Dunham said but I doubt she's losing sleep over having provoked (accidentally, I think) the people she hates and thinks ought to be provoked. I do not know what victories you imagine are being won in the wider cultural war. I think all people, myself included, tend to universalize out from their own interior. So someone who thinks "Gee this pisses me off" will imagine that there must be lots of other people whom this pisses off. But apart from the people who are usually pissed off by this sort of thing, I don't see any evidence of traction or gaining ground in the race. I don't see anyone saying their beliefs about Obama, democracy, politics, etc., have been swayed by this to our advantage. (Well, one commenter above said a "non -political person" was turned off by levine; I'll note that as an anecdote, but not signs of some greater traction.) I suppose there's some usefulness in this as far as group solidarity but... I don't know. Given the Obama scandals I don't really see group solidarity in opposition to leftism as beign much of a concern for us at the moment!!!

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (LCRYB)

389 >>If half the country yawned at Gosnell, how do you plan to gin up outrage over this? Well over half the country never even heard of Gosnell. Which is the point.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (g1DWB)

390

**Upper Income White Suburban voters with conspicuous shows of rah-rah patriotism (and, more importantly, attacks on those deemed insufficiently patriotic).**

 

Perhaps the problem is with the UIWSV who is embarrassed by "rah-rah patriotism" rather than the one indulging in it.  Who do you think those people identify with - Bill Ayers walking over the flag or a Marine saluting the flag?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:16 AM (zF6Iw)

391 Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:09 PM (mCvL4) Oh no. Prayers sent. for Michael Moore's pallbearers. Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 02:16 PM (fWAjv) I am hysterical over here....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2013 09:18 AM (zrlmb)

392 > Sure it will. We don't need the right to care about any of this stuff. We need the LIVs to hear it and just have the accusations stick. THAT'S what works for the left. You can "apologize" for the comments later. Mr. Holder, why are you and your boss a pair of dirty, crooked, lying, cheating, gun smuggling, citizen harassing, race baiting, union goon loving suckers of the cock?" "Objection!" "Sorry your Honor, I withdraw the question."

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 30, 2013 09:19 AM (ZWvOb)

393 Ted Cruz on with Megyn Kelly

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 09:19 AM (DPdf7)

394 Well over half the country never even heard of Gosnell. Which is the point. So our outrage ginning machine obviously is defective. The solution isn't to feed it weak stuff.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 09:19 AM (+NYjg)

395 **Upper Income White Suburban voters with conspicuous shows of rah-rah patriotism (and, more importantly, attacks on those deemed insufficiently patriotic).** nah, they either are into boutique white person problems or are in a union. And I don't think Romney2012 was that rah rah, he was fucking Mitt Romney, you know.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:20 AM (QxSug)

396 Person you like walks up to you "Hey motherfucker!"
Person you hate walks up "Hey motherfucker!"
Two identical statements, but the person making those statements changes the meaning utterly. Posted by: BCochran1981
---------------------
Context is everything. I recall in "No Easy Day" where the SEAL's on one helicopter and Delta Force guys on another helicopter were giving each other the bird as they flew out on the mission to get OBL. 

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 09:20 AM (aDwsi)

397
What if it's even more sinister than you think?

What if the Left is practicing an elaborate Rorschach-esque type of operation on us in which they're training the Dumb People to automatically associate objects with negative out-group descriptors.

Example: Rick Perry is White, Republican, from the South....[processing conclusion]...therefore Racist.

Example: the mention of Fox News...Bush...endless wars...economic depression...Lies!

Example: Rush Limbaugh....Hater!

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:20 AM (052zE)

398 All this twitter drama just proves its gay. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (m2CN7)

399 Yep. Its all about collecting scalps and counting coup with the left. But mostly collecting leftist scalps.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (YIZv0)

400 It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.


I love what it *was*.  I weep for what it *was*.

It is no longer what it was.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (/29Nl)

401 >>>in an attempt to be above the fray, I would simply fart in all your general direction and go about my day.



Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (jvd3N)

402 Daily attacks, daily smears work. Drip, drip, drip. Big ones, little ones. Drip, drip, drip. Make the word Democrat lower than monkeyshit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (ZPrif)

403 I get upset when the flag is mishandled too I'm just a scold

Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (tliFw)

404 Did I see laceyunderalls just streak through the post? *** Why yes, yes you did*! (*although streak was your term; not mine!) Hi all.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (pLTLS)

405

I like my default  response to any of the Leftarded Twatwaffles inane babblings:

 

"Who?"

 

Uttered with the right amount of condescension,  it dissolves what little consequence any slight may have had. And it drives the other LT's  insane. Should they come back with their own, "You don't  know who that is? You're so out of it,"   I always retort, "Oh, I know who they are, I just don't care."

 

With the shallow, their adoration of  alleged   "stars" is grounded in Fame by Association. Just knowing about their idol's every move makes them feel  famous themselves,  something normal people outgrow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (0HooB)

406 >>>erhaps the problem is with the UIWSV who is embarrassed by "rah-rah patriotism" rather than the one indulging in it. this is exactly wrong. Yes you're right, or at least I think you're right, that the UIWSV have their heads up their asses and are voting on ridiculous, trivial, childish Flatter My Cultural Cohort grounds rather than on anything important (such as returning to the American Way of Life that brought us greatness in previous years). But hear me now: You cannot change their minds. You cannot just keep saying "Well they have the problem, not I." Their problem is your problem, if you actually want to get these boobs to vote the right way. They are stupid about these things. I think we can agree on that. But if your plan is to get them to completely change the entire structure of their belief system for an election, your plan is too ambitious and doomed to certain failure. You cannot remake a person and his entire worldview and the huge structure of assumptions and superstitions and anxieties and desires for social acceptance that undergirds it. You can only persuade him to cast a vote for you in an action that takes 20 minutes at the local firehouse. The latter is our mission, not the former. The former is a nice dream but it's entirely unattainable.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (LCRYB)

407 I don't see anyone saying their beliefs about Obama, democracy, politics, etc., have been swayed by this to our advantage. (Well, one commenter above said a "non -political person" was turned off by levine; I'll note that as an anecdote, but not signs of some greater traction.) Here. I'll use me as my data point (solipsism ftmfw!) I think Adam Levine should be punched in his crap weasel face for this. Of course, I think Adam Levine should be punched in his crap weasel face for breathing so, you know, I might not be the best possible person to analyze this matter. It doesn't take much for me to think that Adam Levine is a talentless pathetic hack, what with him being a talentless pathetic hack. I do think there's some worth to pointing out the double standard even without engaging in it. Maybe one person out of twenty will be willing to rethink things but at least that's a start.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:22 AM (VtjlW)

408

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 02:08 PM (xmcEQ)

 

So, of all the tactics we can steal from the Left, the  "OMG! DID YOU HEAR  WHAT THEY SAID??"  seems like the winner?

 

1. It doesn't  help us convert voters.  2. It requires all of us pretend and lie. A lot.  We don't need to  lie to win.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:22 AM (9KqcB)

409

Personally, I hope  like this Levine douche and the Dunham whore keep talking.  It's one of the  the nice things about free speech.  We now know exactly who these people are.  I say, let them keep talking.

 

I think the hang-up most of us on the right have is the fact that they (the left) can do this.  We, on the other hand, through the efforts of the MFM  and other forms of discourse,  have allowed ourselves to be threatened  and silenced by political correctness. 

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 09:22 AM (UTrUJ)

410 Lacy!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 09:22 AM (0HooB)

411 Because they refer to the country voting , audience voting across the country, viewers across the country, etc all the time. He has never said anything in the past to indicate the the meaning others are giving to it.

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 02:13 PM (m2CN7)



So, him saying that he would go "ape shit" if Obama wasn't re-elected has no bearing on his "hatred of this country," being all in for a "fundamental transformation" of it.

Ok.

I guess I need to start using your plastic wrap then.  I take people at their word and too seriously, then.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 09:22 AM (xmcEQ)

412 Well I guess we're back to Let It Burn then. I'm ok with that.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (NcPjb)

413 And I don't want to live in a world where people get a pass on their idiocy. I believe in the power of shaming so count me on the opposite side of the table as ace and Gutfeld on this one.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (pLTLS)

414 Person you like walks up to you "Hey motherfucker!"
Person you hate walks up "Hey motherfucker!"
Two identical statements, but the person making those statements changes the meaning utterly.
Posted by: BCochran1981




How so? Either way I still fucked your mom.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (W7ffl)

415 I don't see any evidence of traction or gaining ground in the race.

You cannot "gain ground in the race" unless you actually run it.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (sxq57)

416 I am hysterical over here.... Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 30, 2013 02:18 PM (zrlmb) Hysterically funny? Hysterically laughing? Or hysterical like the bugs are crawling all over your skin and you had to take your clothes off? *please be 3, please be 3*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (da5Wo)

417 I hate conservatives. I hate them as a group, I hate the way they think.
 
Now don't get me wrong, I know several quite decent conservatives. Some of my best friends are conservative and we go out to lunch and stuff. So I'm no bigot.
 
But you get a group of those mouth breathing rednecks together and a riot happens every single time.

Posted by: Typical LIV Dem at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (ccXZP)

418 Watch out Cochran.  This  one might be dangerous.


Like Belorussian beaver dangerous.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (KXm42)

419 If I say I want to hate fuck Lena Dunham, the left will have a tizzy. So can I say that I hope that Adam Levine wants to hate fuck Lena Dunham? or maybe that Lena Dunham wants to hate fuck Adam Levine??

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (1hM1d)

420 1. It doesn't help us convert voters. 2. It requires all of us pretend and lie. A lot. We don't need to lie to win.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 02:22 PM (9KqcB)



Taking people at their word is lying now?

Holy shit. 

New thread, please.  This train needs to stop for de-boarding.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (xmcEQ)

421 >>So our outrage ginning machine obviously is defective. The solution isn't to feed it weak stuff. The solution is to feed it with all kinds of stuff. Do you think binders full of women is strong stuff or weak stuff? The left made that stupid, misrepresented comment a very big issue during the election. And it worked. Now I consider that so weak as to be non-existent but lots and lots and lots of people were OUTRAGED!!! The simple fact is a very large percentage of this country is dumber than dirt. They respond to bright shiny objects. It's not my job to decide which objects they will respond too but I have no problem expressing my disgust on issues that disgust me with the proper level of disgust.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (g1DWB)

422 Democrat=scum Liberal=fascist A good propaganda technique is to use words associated with disease, vermin, and insects. Things people find naturally gross. Listeners and readers can't help but form negative associations. The cockroach Democrats. Leftist weasels. Liberal rats. That's why the Left calls us racists and deniers and bigots so often. It works. Smear, smear, smear. Drip, drip, drip.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (ZPrif)

423 12 >>> guess I should probably know who Adam Levine is. He's in a pop band called Maroon 5 and a celebrity judge on NBC's The Voice, an American Idol knock-off. one stars in an american idol knock off; the other stars in a porn knock off

Posted by: Nino at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (eyuLr)

424 @nypost
Rihanna fan claims she got herpes from the singer's lipstick http://nyp.st/135OmVq

I AM OUTRAGED!!! OoooAAAAAAGGG!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (ZIcZg)

425 We know what Adam Levine really meant.  He hates people like me.  He hates it that we exist in his perfectly blue world.

Posted by: Hamilton Burger at May 30, 2013 09:24 AM (qYtnu)

426 George W. Bush has been blamed by the left for everything from hurricanes to the IRS targeting conservative non-profits. But now, it turns out that former Democratic National Committee head and current Virginia gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe blames Bush for his dad dying. Really. In an interview in May 2001, McAuliffe said that his father, Jack, died because “he could not go into a new year knowing that a Republican was actually moving into the White House.”

.. I blame Al Gore

Posted by: Katherine Harris at May 30, 2013 09:25 AM (e8kgV)

427

I just  assumed you weren't wearing pants...

**Waves to Lacey**

Hi, lady.

 

 

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:25 AM (IEgq0)

428 Only slightly OT. Republicans have a new video in which they try to hijack the "Yes" from yes we can away from the Dems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I6_7Z5o765M

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 09:25 AM (VIaw0)

429 So, of all the tactics we can steal from the Left, the "OMG! DID YOU HEAR WHAT THEY SAID??" seems like the winner?

1. It doesn't help us convert voters. 2. It requires all of us pretend and lie. A lot. We don't need to lie to win.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 02:22 PM (9KqcB)


You have to start somewhere.  Plus, who said it's the only tactic.  We should use as many of them as we need to.  This is just an easy one.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:25 AM (sxq57)

430

387Then what? We eliminate the public school systems in all under-performing cities..

Meaning, in all cities period. How the hell will we ever been in a position to eliminate public schools? That will get us a smattering of applause at the Libertarian convention at the Holiday Inn.

 

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 02:16 PM (9KqcB)

 

Let the inner-city dwellers know that instead of public school that hasn't taught any of their kids how to read, they will be getting a voucher for $25,000 each year to spend with whatever private school they want.

 

Schools will be redefined overnight.  It will be hard to imagine a school with over 12 students and more than a block away from their homes.  Trust the free market, and trust the greed and backlash of the black community when they learn they could have been getting this all along.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (u2a4R)

431 Oh yeah, plus every college grad in the country has moved back in with their families.

_____________________________________


I think this is the way out of our current conundrum, at least for a while.

I'm thinking that Obama and his economic approach - and therefore leftism - will be fully discredited by 2016.  Hilary will have to run on a platform that largely repudiates Obama's economic approach while re-affirming the decidedly more pro-business Clinton era (at least a post-1994 DLC influenced approach).  The countervailing wind, however, is the willingness of the leftists to cause people to find other villains responsible for their plight. 


Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (nnkXw)

432 No one smear or attack has a measurable effect. It's a cumulative business. Drip, drip, drip.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (ZPrif)

433 But you get a group of those mouth breathing rednecks together and a riot happens every single time. Posted by: Typical LIV Dem at May 30, 2013 02:23 PM (ccXZP) Oh hey, speaking of riots, I see by the sign up sheet that we have 17 jell-o and cottage cheese salads, 14 tater tot casseroles and 6 dozen rolls but no one is bringing butter. Come on, people, let's not have a repeat of the great Butter Disaster of Ought Twelve again.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (VtjlW)

434 The latter is our mission, not the former. The former is a nice dream but it's entirely unattainable. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB) Then we might as well pack up and call it a day. The changing of hearts, minds, structures, etc should be the Long Term Goal. Getting the vote in the next election should be the Short Term Goal. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (da5Wo)

435 Not one person here has said 'Lena Dunham' is funny. Not one. Just heard Talking Heads 'Psycho Killer' on the radio. Now that's a good song, even if part of it is in French and I don't know what the hell he's talking about.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (XvrTA)

436 Step 1 to convincing a LIV of your political viewpoint: don't tell them you are a Republican.

Step 2 is to ask them questions in a genuinely curious manner (even though you know the answer - they are a stupid superficial fuck).

Step 3 is to agree with them on something small and inconsequential.

Step 4 is not to fucking forget Step 1.

Repeat.  In a couple years you might have them.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (/29Nl)

437 >>It is difficult for me, personally, to look at this
government, and the country that elected it (twice), and say "I LOVE
AMERICA!" with the emotion I once had.
=======
"Enjoy the Decline" puts it this way: The America you knew and loved has died. It was like a dear family member and it's damned hard to let go of someone you loved so much.

But this country voted for this. And as wrong as you think it is for them to force this on you, it's the same wrong to force what they don't want on them.

I sad . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (VjL9S)

438 404 Did I see laceyunderalls just streak through the post?

***

Why yes, yes you did*!
(*although streak was your term; not mine!)

Hi all.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 30, 2013 02:21 PM (pLTLS)

 

Were you wearing a Nixon mask?

Posted by: buzzion at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (LI48c)

439 Also I don't just want to eek out a majority occasionally. I want our Repub base to be rock-solid. Hate unifies.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (ZPrif)

440 **UIWSV have their heads up their asses and are voting on ridiculous, trivial, childish Flatter My Cultural Cohort grounds rather than on anything important (such as returning to the American Way of Life that brought us greatness in previous years). ** you heard that guy on Corolla who called the first debate a curb stomping of Obama. That. That had the ability to wake up the USWSV about obama...pure incompetence on display. Moar of that would have helped them wake up. Luckily for Obama, his codebate partners didn't allow for any more displays like that. The question is, were there white people who voted for O in 2012 not because of boutique white person problems (i.e., head up assitis) or union membership?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (QxSug)

441 Dude! I was framed!

Posted by: The Racist Rock at May 30, 2013 09:27 AM (rjJ3s)

442 Do you think binders full of women is strong stuff or weak stuff? The left made that stupid, misrepresented comment a very big issue during the election. And it worked. Binders full of women didn't matter. It was goofy and dumb. 47% mattered. But let's not pretend it wasn't shitty Republican GOTV and organization that killed us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 09:28 AM (+NYjg)

443 You cannot "gain ground in the race" unless you actually run it.

and further, the race isn't a sprint, it's a marathon.  You need to *keep* running, even if it looks like you aren't gaining, you might be, but just won't see it for a bit.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:28 AM (sxq57)

444 The Left always hides from their extremists -- it's not like we have open socialists and communists marching in the street. Oh wait. never mind.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:28 AM (ZPrif)

445 Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 02:27 PM (/29Nl) I did this with a former employee of mine. Works like a fucking charm.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:29 AM (NcPjb)

446 Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8

Posted by: Jodi Arias at May 30, 2013 09:29 AM (e8kgV)

447 I know a UISWV chick who honestly believes Affirmative Action is no longer practiced and here white kids won't be discriminated against. She honestly thought that ended in the 90s.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:29 AM (ZPrif)

448 Come on, people, let's not have a repeat of the great Butter Disaster of Ought Twelve again.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:26 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

It'll be like the Pancake Breakfast all over again!

 

Come to think of it, I never did find out what happened to all of that Margarine...

Posted by: St. Alphonso at May 30, 2013 09:29 AM (IEgq0)

449 The simple fact is a very large percentage of this country is dumber than dirt. They respond to bright shiny objects. Spinner baits?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:29 AM (YIZv0)

450 I like CAC's astronomy posts. Gives the place some much-needed class.

 

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 01:57 PM (B/VB5)

 

Are you kidding?  We've got class coming out the squeakhole here.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (zF6Iw)

451
yep, George Bush has even been associated with frikkin accidents!

As in some idiot accidentally crashing into a bridging which lead to its collapse. Bush did it.

Bush did it. Just like that Mark Levin radio promo -- Bush, Bush, Bush, ...Bush did it.

After a while, associating your political enemies with every single negative thing in the world has its toll, or, rather, pays dividends.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (ZgBZU)

452 oh right. another thing. Obama's first action in office in 2009? Shutting down the DC voucher program. Gee, are there any constituencies out there that would have been persuaded by playing up this fact? Or the Waiting For Superman effect? steadfast democrat black voters (SDBV) and UIWSV could've been moved by that. That, and their kids are living in their basements because there are no jobs.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (QxSug)

453

If I say I want to hate fuck Lena Dunham, the left will have a tizzy.

---------------------------

 

Sounds like you're just hate-fucking yourself.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (CJjw5)

454 A lot of y'all are comparing these two dumbass remarks to "binders full of women" and I think that's a mistake. It's one thing get outrageously outraged over a dumb turn of phrase from a politician, but these two aren't politicians. We aren't winning culture wars this way, either. We just look (to LIVs) like we're picking on artists (I know...).

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (GmTxn)

455

I'll admit that I watch "The Voice," and I saw that episode, and I do not blame Adam Levine one bit for what he said.  He was REALLY pissed.  Visibly angry.  I would have been pissed too.  His two very talented and multidimensional rock/soul singers - one was considered a strong favorite to win the whole thing early on - got booted, while his country girl was saved and so were all three of Blake Shelton's country kids - two of whom are mediocre at best.  So 4 of the 6 finalists on the show are country singers (5 of 7, actually, since one act is a duo of brothers)  Adam doesn't much like country music and he hasn't made that a big secret.  It seems the country music fans have taken over the vocal shows this year, and are voting for the country artists, over more talented singers in other genres.  We already had the blah Kree Harrison almost win American Idol. 

"I hate this country" was just an inelegant way to say that he was pissed at America for voting off his singers and keeping a couple of mediocre country singers. 

Posted by: rockmom at May 30, 2013 09:30 AM (aBlZ1)

456 Step 1 to convincing a LIV of your political viewpoint: don't tell them you are a Republican. easy-peasy lemon-squeezy

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at May 30, 2013 09:31 AM (XvrTA)

457 "Although I think I'm right about all of this, I continue to wonder whether we should trouble ourselves to be honest in cases like this." Answer: no. This is why we lose elections. We refuse to stoop to their level. They sling rhetorical fallacies left and right, and we're busy calling out the fallacies. What we should be doing is slinging them right back, with identical (and actually accurate) accusations. Racism, cronyism, corruption, greed.

Posted by: Tacky at May 30, 2013 09:31 AM (7Myr5)

458

So, him saying that he would go "ape shit" if Obama wasn't re-elected has no bearing on his "hatred of this country," being all in for a "fundamental transformation" of it.

Obama was relected so why would he be referring to anything other than his disdain for the people that voted his singers off the show?   Now if Obama lost , and he said that at that time, then you would have a point.   But you would have to include many on the right who said similar things when Obama was elected. 

 

I'm not defending Levine as a lefty,  I just make it a point to be consistent about what I believe to be valid outrage based on context.   The left doesn't care about consistency but I don't want to be like the left. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:31 AM (m2CN7)

459 Fuckin' formating.

Posted by: St. Alphonso at May 30, 2013 09:31 AM (IEgq0)

460


I did this with a former employee of mine.


Works like a fucking charm.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 02:29 PM (NcPjb)

It sure does.  Unfortunately, one at a time, and slowly.

The key is making them think you are a good guy, then not allowing labels.  Because if they *know* you're not racist before you say something conservative, you've got them.  They can't use that reflexive indoctrination.   It no longer *fits*, and it's their own mind telling them that.

That's why it works.  That's also why it is too damn slow to really matter.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (/29Nl)

461 Come to think of it, I never did find out what happened to all of that Margarine... You don't want to know...

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (YIZv0)

462 I thought my admission of having blurted out "I hate this country" would have garnered a admonition or two. Did it not because you know those words did not actually mean I hate my country?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (DPdf7)

463 >>Binders full of women didn't matter Google Romney binders full of women. Then take the next few days reviewing all the hits. It mattered a great deal and the Dems used it as evidence of Republicans war on women, another wholly made up piece of outrage. Politics is as much about emotions as it is facts for many people. If you want to reach them you reach them emotionally. If you don't want to reach them we should just keep doing what we're doing cause its working spectacularly.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (g1DWB)

464

Taking people at their word is lying now?

 

Pretend outrage is a lie. And pretending that pretending to be outraged over lack of patriotism is going to do anything other than appeal to fellow conservatives is plain silly.  Pretty  sure we've got their vote.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (9KqcB)

465 Proud Democrats vs Don'tTellThemYou'reARepublicans. Easy to predict who will win. Strong horse.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (ZPrif)

466 Waves at EC.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:32 AM (qPCAa)

467 Politics is not about policy. Never has been. Never will be.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:33 AM (ZPrif)

468 and the Boooosh thing. I've said since 2008 that the whole "who farted" approach to Bush that the GOP adopted was suicidal. It's buying into the DNC wish narrative. Sort of like how we let them trump up Clinton by ignoring that it was Gingrich's policies that gave Clinton any success in his last 6 years. I think that by acting like boosh shit the bed is one thing that might have cost us white voters who aren't in unions and don't care about boutique white person problems.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:33 AM (QxSug)

469 >>>So, of all the tactics we can steal from the Left, the "OMG! DID YOU HEAR WHAT THEY SAID??" seems like the winner? yeah I just think that anyone not In The Cult (in the particular belief system) sees all this HE SAID A DIRTY WORD! crap as nonsense. It works more for the left because they have the media and tastemakers insisting This Is A Real Issue. I mean, Limbaugh made a silly joke about Sandra Fluke being a slut. That's A Real Issue, Serious You Guys. I think some people seem to wish to ignore this fact away, as if not acknowledging it to be fact somehow weakens it. (A sort of "If you can visualize it, you can achieve" idea.)

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:33 AM (LCRYB)

470

This is why we lose elections. We refuse to stoop to their level.

 

FYI this is exactly what Democrats say when they lose elections.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:33 AM (9KqcB)

471 Waves at EC.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 02:32 PM (qPCAa)


*waves back*

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:33 AM (GQ8sn)

472 Binders full of women didn't matter. It was goofy and dumb. 47% mattered.

___________________________________

Eh - what matters is that they can target "binders full of women" at precisely whom it would enrage, while not turning off the other people who would think it is silly and an obvious distraction.  47% mattered, yes, because it led the morning "news" shows for over a week if not more.  There were plenty of things said by Obama and Biden which could have had a corresponding effect but they get buried.  The media nationalizing the Akin campaign mattered as well.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (nnkXw)

473 I've quit trying to be nice to the leftist trash.  I tell  each one that I hate them and everything they stand for.  I then advise them to never find themselves in the middle of my sight picture.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (UTrUJ)

474 I agree, this is faux outrage.  The entire premise is preposterous. 

Posted by: David Duke at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (PFg5i)

475 If your response to someone attacking you with a baseball bat is to offer up a good game of chess, you're probably going to end up bleeding in the gutter.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (NcPjb)

476 People mainly vote to raise the status of themselves and their allies and to lower the status of their enemies. People like Us are Good, people like Them are Bad.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

477 Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic candidate for governor of Virginia, once blamed his father’s death on President George W. Bush’s election in 2000. In a May 2001 interview with C-SPAN, titled the “Life and Career of Terry McAuliffe,” the former Democratic National Committee chairman says one of the “reasons” his father, Jack, died was “he could not go into a new year knowing that a Republican was actually moving into the White House.” While his father was in the hospital, McAuliffe’s mother “went and came back in five minutes later, and he had passed away. And I told the story, you know, I gave at the eulogy at his funeral, and there are many reasons why people thought Jack had died,” McAuliffe told C-SPAN. “He was 83 years old. And I said the main reason is that he could not go into a new year knowing that a Republican was actually moving into the White House. I just don’t think he could’ve handled that.” Are all democrats low life cock suckers? Yeah Yeah, that was rhetorical.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 09:35 AM (9Bj8R)

478 I would contend that women affected by Binders are boutique white person problem voters that the donkeys have tied up. I would further contend that Romney agreeing to feminist propaganda effectively cut the rug out from GOP moral position on this matter. The correct approach would have been to point out. 1. that's a lie. check your numbers. 2. moar women than men go to college etc. 3. fed government gives women owned (and minority owned) businesses a significant edge in getting government contracts already.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:35 AM (QxSug)

479 FYI this is exactly what Democrats say when they lose elections. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (YIZv0)

480 >>>This is why we lose elections. We refuse to stoop to their level. They sling rhetorical fallacies left and right, and we're busy calling out the fallacies. What we should be doing is slinging them right back, with identical (and actually accurate) accusations. Racism, cronyism, corruption, greed. again you seem to ignore what I said at the end of the post. I agree we have the RIGHT to play tit-for-tat. We have the right. No one can knock us for using their tactics against them. I am questioning the value of doing so in specific cases -- not because I want to be faaaaair You Guys to them, but because I think that in many cases it actually backfires and makes us look crude and low, which then becomes the reason for the Upper Income White Suburban Voters to vote against us (despite our being objectively right about the substance of policy under debate).

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (LCRYB)

481 Proud Democrats vs Don'tTellThemYou'reARepublicans.
Easy to predict who will win.
Strong horse.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 02:32 PM (ZPrif)


When the brand is damaged (and it is, probably irrevocably), ditch the brand.  It only represents another obstacle to the message.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (/29Nl)

482 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:26 PM (VtjlW) As long as Jane doh is coming with the strawberry pretzel salad, I think well be okay.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (qPCAa)

483 Google Romney binders full of women. Then take the next few days reviewing all the hits. It mattered a great deal and the Dems used it as evidence of Republicans war on women, another wholly made up piece of outrage. And you can find lots of people mocking it as stupid. Nobody voted against Mitt because of binders full of women. They were already committed if that swayed them. Because their side won doesn't mean they didn't do anything stupid. They also claimed Mitt was gonna kill Elmo. It was ridiculous desperation. But they had a ground game that put ours to shame.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (Zx2Zj)

484 I've quit trying to be nice to the leftist trash. I tell each one that I hate them and everything they stand for. I then advise them to never find themselves in the middle of my sight picture.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 02:34 PM (UTrUJ)


This

Posted by: Berserker at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (FMbng)

485 Never bring Jacks to a Quoits fight.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (ZshNr)

Posted by: The Cult at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (IEgq0)

487 The leftist control of the media means we have to attack more often, not less. It takes more to break through.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (ZPrif)

488 I clicked on 'continue reading' that's a lot of reading

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (8sCoq)

489 It works more for the left because they have the media and tastemakers insisting This Is A Real Issue.

You have to start somewhere.  You'll get no-where if you don't pick someplace to start with.  I think getting these things out there is less difficult than you must, because apparently this was enough of  "a thing" for you to make a front page post about it...right?

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:37 AM (sxq57)

490

yeah I just think that anyone not In The Cult (in the particular belief system) sees all this HE SAID A DIRTY WORD! crap as nonsense. It works more for the left because they have the media and tastemakers insisting This Is A Real Issue.

 

Sucks, but we have to acknowledge this reality. Everything we do must be toward coverting votes to our side. Preaching to the choir  feels  good (and represents 47% of the Internet) but if we ain't convertin' we're...something something pervertin'.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:37 AM (9KqcB)

491

Do you think binders full of women is strong stuff or weak stuff? The left made that stupid, misrepresented comment a very big issue during the election. And it worked.

Now I consider that so weak as to be non-existent but lots and lots and lots of people were OUTRAGED!!! 

 

What Mitt could've done was say, "WTF? Are you people nuts?"

 

But he didn't. Not countering the Leftard's stupidity when they put it on display is one reason why he   (and we)  lost. I blame W for a lot of this. He refused to counter the Left's lies about him for some inexplicable reason.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 09:37 AM (0HooB)

492 **I mean, Limbaugh made a silly joke about Sandra Fluke being a slut. That's A Real Issue, Serious You Guys. ** a. Rush fucked up by apologizing. b. That was complete dirty pool by the media that team Romney and Senate Race2012 was unable to deal with. c. It seems that Fluke was a Kobayashi Maru

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:38 AM (QxSug)

493 whatever, I'm getting ignored, and people are continuing to say the same stupid-ass shit, "You just want to be nice to the liberals" and "You can't win if you don't fight" and all the rest of the stupid crap. I'm out. I'll do a new post as people, as they have from the earliest days of mankind, are just going to reflexively babble the same dumb nonresponsive platitudes and Basic Slogans over and over again.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:38 AM (LCRYB)

494 ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin’s cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn’t properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that werenÂ’t turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George ZimmermanÂ’s second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

... time to end this farce

Posted by: Leopold "Butters" Stotch at May 30, 2013 09:38 AM (e8kgV)

495
I don't think any of you appreciate the beauty and efficiency of the attack. It's a double edge sword.

Example: Death threats and racism.

There are 2 reasons the Left, when in a pinch, pull the death threat or racism cards.

1.  To, naturally, influence dumb people.
2. To drive away Republican/conservative support -- no one wants to be associated with a group who sends death threats, right? Or a group filled with racists, right?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:40 AM (xIzGn)

496 Consider how many celebrities are out there that we *think* might be conservative, but we don't know for sure.

Are they hiding the full truth because they are scared of being blackballed?

Or are they, as entertainers, particularly skilled at convincing people, and know that the instant they "come out" is the instant that their little drops of wisdom have no audience?

A little of both?

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:40 AM (/29Nl)

497 We should be bating Dems into turning on Weiner. Provoke them. We should make brand damage our goal. Yes, reveal the tastemakers as tasteless when possible, but always smear the other brand. Why we didn't make Weiner and Tony the Tiger the faces of the Democrats in that cycle is beyond me.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 09:40 AM (N5ZQC)

498 What Mitt could've done was say, "WTF? Are you people nuts?"

But he didn't. Not countering the Leftard's stupidity when they put it on display is one reason why he (and we) lost. I blame W for a lot of this. He refused to counter the Left's lies about him for some inexplicable reason.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 02:37 PM (0HooB)


Very true here, Bush sat back and let the left shit all over him. It all started there.

Posted by: Berserker at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (FMbng)

499 they are afraid of getting blackballed.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (ZPrif)

500 You can't win if you don't fight" and all the rest of the stupid crap.

Not too sure how that's "stupid crap".  It happens to fucking be true.  We should be using *every* weapon we can find.  And people are wanting to throw some away because they might be difficult to employ, or might not work 100% effectively.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (sxq57)

501

I'm out. I'll do a new post as people, as they have from the earliest days of mankind, are just going to reflexively babble the same dumb nonresponsive platitudes and Basic Slogans over and over again.

 

 

 

Maybe throw  a little Cake Girl in there, too?

 

 

 

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (IEgq0)

502 One donkey tactic from 2012 was the extremely low cost ad buy. You know, late night ads on low quality WB network stuff. We should do that. Get adam corrolla or dennis miller or if we can find a black guy, him.

'Zo from PJMedia would be perfect.  He's young, personable, and speaks well.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (B/VB5)

503 It seems that Fluke was a Kobayashi Maru slut. Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (YIZv0)

504 Tornado warning for northern OKC metro.  Another supercell further west heading in my direction again.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (UTrUJ)

505 Conservatives may drum up phony outrage just like the left does, but when they do it, it's all-aboard, whereas pretty much only the mouth-breathers get involved on the right.

Posted by: Rub A Dub Dub at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (E55AK)

506

The Right  is constantly outraged but its mostly against other persons on the Right.  

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (m2CN7)

507 456 Step 1 to convincing a LIV of your political viewpoint: don't tell them you are a Republican.
--------------

That's easy..., I'm not. In fact I point out (to them)  that I am an Independent, and do not carry anyone's water. I am free to criticize anyone, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to defend anyone. That generally cuts off the usual Blame Bush rhetoric, moreover, one assumes the status of a neutral observer, which generally stymies the Lefties, as they are placed in a position of defending their positions (and people) without using attacks on others as a basis. 

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 09:41 AM (aDwsi)

508 It works more for the left because they have the media and tastemakers insisting This Is A Real Issue. I mean, Limbaugh made a silly joke about Sandra Fluke being a slut. That's A Real Issue, Serious You Guys Ace, It's more than that though. The left traffics in policing language. And the words you will or wont say are the marker of inclusion in the right kind of society (the liberal kind). For them words are deeds, calling Sandra fluke a slut is the very act of misigynistic patriarchy they want to claim the right engages in all the time. For the right actions speak louder than words so anger over words just doesn't have the same kind of urgency. We actually do have to "gin up" outrage over words. Every single properly indoctrinated lefty "was" outraged to their core that Limbaugh said that.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:42 AM (qPCAa)

509

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 02:41 PM (UTrUJ)

 

Keep your head down and be safe, Soona.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:42 AM (IEgq0)

510 Tornado warning for northern OKC metro. Another supercell further west heading in my direction again. *** Hunker down and say safe, Soona.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 09:42 AM (DPdf7)

511
Ace:

u mad, broseph?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (yhYn1)

512 Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:38 PM (LCRYB) What an ass.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (NcPjb)

513 >>He refused to counter the Left's lies about him for some inexplicable reason. He should have and Romney should have responded stronger. But you don't win many wars strictly on defense. Do you know why the left follows Alinsky tactics? They work. And they will work for us as well.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (g1DWB)

514

We have the right. No one can knock us for using their tactics against them.



I am questioning the value of doing so in specific cases -- not because I want to be faaaaair You Guys to them, but because I think that in many cases it actually backfires and makes us look crude and low, which then becomes the reason for the Upper Income White Suburban Voters to vote against us (despite our being objectively right about the substance of policy under debate).

 

---------------------------

 

I think by now,  the brands  of the  both parties are pretty well established, and people of voting age already  know what brand they identify with.

 

Therefore,  if you make  a big deal out of this Dunham/Levine thing, I don't think it does any harm - it just confirms their brand identity.  If  you remain  silent, it's a non-event.  Still no harm.

 

Ultimately, it's a stylistic  choice.  I really  don't believe you're going to sway anyone away  from their brand choice.  That's pretty much  settled by the time they get  to eighteen years old.  Something personal has to happen  to cause a philosophical shift.  You can't game that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (CJjw5)

515 I'm out. I'll do a new post as people, as they have from the earliest days of mankind, are just going to reflexively babble the same dumb nonresponsive platitudes and Basic Slogans over and over again. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:38 PM (LCRYB) Ahhhh, Angry Dismissive Ace. My favorite.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (da5Wo)

516 Posted by: Leopold "Butters" Stotch at May 30, 2013 02:38 PM (e8kgV)

...

Step N:  Turn the "justice" system into a tool of the statist regime's ideology!

...


Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 30, 2013 09:43 AM (Cnqmv)

517 I mean, Limbaugh made a silly joke about Sandra Fluke being a slut. That's A Real Issue, Serious You Guys.

Rush was wrong. She wasn't a slut. She was a filthy communist whore - just like Obama's mother.

Posted by: A Racist Rock in Texas at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (rjJ3s)

518 Funny how MSNBC saw things ...

ZimmermanÂ’s team put an outside lawyer on the stand, Wesley White, who testified that photos from MartinÂ’s cellphone were never shared with them. White, who resigned as a state prosecutor in December and is now in private practice, represents the state attorneyÂ’s officeÂ’s information-technology director, Ben Kruidbos, who will be called to testify June 6 about the allegedly withheld images.

White told NBC News that Kruidbos was placed on administrative leave Tuesday and considers himself a “whistleblower” under Florida law. Kruidbos was grilled by staff in the state attorney’s office twice, either to learn what he planned to testify about or possibly to “bully him,” White told NBC.

Posted by: Leopold "Butters" Stotch at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (e8kgV)

519 368 I have bad news and good news ...A private jet has crashed killing everyone on boardThe good news is those one board were Justin Bieber, Lena Dunham, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ed Schultz, and Toure
Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:09 PM (mCvL4)

You forgot Geraldo Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 02:12 PM

Geraldo was filming a special on Al Capone's walk-in meat freezer when somehow the door slammed shut and the lock mysteriously jammed

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (mCvL4)

520

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:21 PM (LCRYB)

 

OK, Ace, I see your point.  But I can't say I fully agree with it.  Certainly there are many occasions when I think "rah-rah patriotism" is a bit uncomfortable (for example, must we have the national anthum sung at the frigging opening of an envelope?), but if one is consistently uncomfortable with overt signs of patriotism, then I suggest the problem is with that person and their worldview.

 

But I'm just about to go to a meeting, so I can't expand on this.  Still, in the main, ace, I do agree.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (zF6Iw)

521
That's easy..., I'm not. In fact I point out (to them) that I am an Independent, and do not carry anyone's water. I am free to criticize anyone, and feel no compulsion whatsoever to defend anyone. That generally cuts off the usual Blame Bush rhetoric, moreover, one assumes the status of a neutral observer, which generally stymies the Lefties, as they are placed in a position of defending their positions (and people) without using attacks on others as a basis.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 02:41 PM (aDwsi)


It completely neutralizes that line of easy attack, and there's nothing more effective at doing that then saying you're not a Republican.

If you add a bad word against your RINO of choice, then you're also getting the "agree with them on something" out of the way early.

Suddenly, miraculously, what you are saying seems reasonable to them.


Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (/29Nl)

522 >>>Not too sure how that's "stupid crap". It happens to fucking be true. We should be using *every* weapon we can find. ah so you're saying we should Fight? Thank you, I didn't know that. I'm so glad I wrote a post explaining my thinking in detail so I could receive the New Strategic Thinking that We Should Fight.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:44 AM (LCRYB)

523 look, make the left own their own bad apples. Why was Weiner not mentioned in 2012 election over and over again but that ghey ass republican from Florida was the only story in 2006? we do not control the narrative. period. We do have, through no fault of our own, a fucking 3 on 5 power play over the democrats right now with the IRS scandal. We need to focus on that.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:45 AM (QxSug)

524 Oh, I think a few people may have voted against Romney at least a little because of binders full of women. What I don't find at all likely is that anyone's vote will be swayed by the idea that *celebrities* who aren't technically political aren't patriotic. I think some votes are swayed in the long term, through the drip-drip-drip of culture, when the right makes a big deal out of exposing or expressing outrage for celebrities lack of patriotism. I think we also need to differentiate between political-talk celebrities and entertainment-celebrities who are political. It's silly to compare the outrage over Limbaugh calling a slut a slut to Adam Levine. LIVs know Adam Levine from the Voice, he's a singer primarily. Hannity and Limbaugh are for better or worse just political.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 30, 2013 09:45 AM (GmTxn)

525 it does suck letting ace down, you guys. Try harder.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:45 AM (QxSug)

526 Keep your ass low to the ground Soona.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:45 AM (da5Wo)

527 I didn't know we should Fight. Thank you for updating me.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:45 AM (LCRYB)

528 I see Ace's point. And I totally get why Ace himself wouldn't be part of these particular outrage attacks. Ace is above that. And it's not his value-add, as they say. But it's good that there are others who aren't above it. We don't need everybody to say the same thing and parrot the same attack lines. Ace can write what about what bugs him and others can write about what bugs them. And if the Levine or Dunham thing bugged you, then go for it, bitch about it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:46 AM (ZPrif)

529 ah so you're saying we should Fight?

I'm saying that you're being a pansy and wanting to throw away perfectly good weapons because they make you uncomfortable.  I'm saying you don't seem to want to win.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:46 AM (sxq57)

530 Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:44 PM (LCRYB) Ace ignore them, read what I said. I'm engaging.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:47 AM (qPCAa)

531 Geraldo was filming a special on Al Capone's walk-in meat freezer when somehow the door slammed shut and the lock mysteriously jammed *** that'll work!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 09:47 AM (DPdf7)

532 Bush didn't counter the left's lies on the advice of that political "genius" Karl Rove.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 09:47 AM (lZvxr)

533 see I didn't realize my post, apparently, said "Don't Fight," albeit in 3000 words. I thought my post was about fighting effectively. I thought it was about how to fight to win. But I talk like a fag and my shit's all retarded. So now I know, the key -- and the only thing ever worth saying, ever -- is that We Should Fight.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:47 AM (LCRYB)

Posted by: Public Enemy at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (IEgq0)

535 >>>I'm saying that you're being a pansy and wanting to throw away perfectly good weapons because they make you uncomfortable. I'm saying you don't seem to want to win. yes exactly, I'm sure it would seem that way to you.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (LCRYB)

536 ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin’s cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn’t properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday. I was once involved in a case where, very very very long story short, the other side didn't turn over documents that had been requested quite specifically, right down to the color of the sheets of paper. Five days before trial, these documents magically appear. Cue all kinds of drama and hearings and what was supposed to be a half hour hearing turning into a nine and a half hour hearing that ended with the judge red faced screaming at the counsel whose client had pulled this crap. Some lawyers very nearly lost their licenses, the judge made a formal complaint to the Department of Health concerning the record keeping at the facility and further nastiness ensued. All of that was for what was a fairly run of the mill civil matter. In a criminal case such as this? There needs to be jail time for those who did this pour encourager les autres that you can't do this shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (VtjlW)

537 Who would have guessed that this guy Levine and Dunham could have stirred this much dissension? It's like a microcosm of what has happened in the GOP...
Not.Good.
 

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (aDwsi)

538 Your political insight into this matter is as superior as your political insight on preference cascades, polling, and Sean Bialat. Your flawless track record justifies your dismissive and arrogant attitude.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (NcPjb)

539

The left traffics in policing language.

 

Actually, the ARE the police.  Who decides language?  Media  & Academia.

 

As a result, our ginned up outrage appeals only to the voters who already support us.  I'd prefer to pick only those real outrages that can break through to new voters.  

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:48 AM (9KqcB)

540 Geraldo was filming a special on Al Capone's walk-in meat freezer when somehow the door slammed shut and the lock mysteriously jammed Buahahahahaha

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:49 AM (da5Wo)

541 wait what? fight? That's what's driving the moderates away from the GOP, you guys. You know, it's radical republicans like you that make today's GOP a place where NOT EVEN REAGAN would get nominated. I mean, come on, we put up soooper right winger Mitt Romney. What did we expect would happen????????

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:49 AM (QxSug)

542 Apparently your snark is interfering with your reading comprehension.  It's not that we should fight, it's that we should use whatever weapons and opportunities we have.  But you know...whatever floats your boat I guess.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 09:49 AM (sxq57)

Posted by: Living Colour at May 30, 2013 09:49 AM (IEgq0)

544 >>>Your political insight into this matter is as superior as your political insight on preference cascades, polling, and Sean Bialat. >>>Your flawless track record justifies your dismissive and arrogant attitude. So... Fight, then? I'm so surprised to hear Burn the Witch offer a completely unexpected thought like We Should Fight. He's done a complete 180 from his previous thinking on the matter.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:50 AM (LCRYB)

545

If you want the Guilt-Ridden Upper Income Suburban Vote, you have to show you're fighting for the inner-city utes.

 

If you're fighting for someone, that means your fighting against some enemy.  Who is the enemy?

 

If it's not the greedy, vote-selling, racist democrat/union machine, we lose.

 

How simple does something need to get?

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 09:50 AM (u2a4R)

546 FIGHT



FINISH HIM!



FATALITY!!!!

Posted by: Mortal Kombat Guy at May 30, 2013 09:51 AM (W7ffl)

547

>>>I'm saying that you're being a pansy and wanting to throw away perfectly good weapons because they make you uncomfortable. I'm saying you don't seem to want to win.

 



yes exactly, I'm sure it would seem that way to you.



 

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:48 PM (LCRYB)

 

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Seriously?  He gets mild sarcasm and I get "shove it up your ass"?

 

That's some racist BULLSHIT.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:51 AM (CJjw5)

548 who is ace responding to, I am lol'd. The we should fight crowd should realize that even as the network news crowd dies, and fox news is ascendant, there seems to be times at which WE CANNOT move the narrative an inch. Right now, we got the IRS scandal. It's an open net situation. Anything happening with celebrity twits is self made. unless ace saw hannity making this his cause of the day. In which case, hannity shut up. Focus on the thing that is war. the war that obama declared on the gop.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:51 AM (QxSug)

549 Certainly there are many occasions when I think "rah-rah patriotism" is a bit uncomfortable (for example, must we have the national anthum sung at the frigging opening of an envelope?), but if one is consistentlyuncomfortable with overt signs of patriotism, then I suggest the problem is with that person and their worldview.

But I'm just about to go to a meeting, so I can't expand on this. Still, in the main, ace, I do agree.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 02:44 PM (zF6Iw)

 

I never thought you could be too patriotic.  I loved every rah rah patriotic symbolism you could think of .  There was never a time I didn't get chills when the Star Spangle Banner was played.     Part of being patriotic without negative feedback though is not  to  disdain others for not showing the same level as you.    

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:51 AM (m2CN7)

550 Who cares? Both of them are pieces of shit. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 30, 2013 09:52 AM (V1ZIU)

551

I'm saying that you're being a pansy and wanting to throw away perfectly good weapons because they make you uncomfortable. I'm saying you don't seem to want to win.Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 02:46 PM (sxq57)

 

Of course. They guy who puts more work and money into this effort is the pansy who doesn't want to win.  The folks posturing in the comments section are the real go-getters.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:52 AM (9KqcB)

552 Seriously? He gets mild sarcasm and I get "shove it up your ass"? That's some racist BULLSHIT. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 02:51 PM (CJjw5) It's cause you talk like a fag and your shit is all retarded.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:52 AM (da5Wo)

553 **** If you want the Guilt-Ridden Upper Income Suburban Vote, you have to show you're fighting for the inner-city utes. **** hmm, who said: Obama's first action in office in 2009? Shutting down the DC voucher program. Gee, are there any constituencies out there that would have been persuaded by playing up this fact? Or the Waiting For Superman effect? steadfast democrat black voters (SDBV) and UIWSV could've been moved by that. That, and their kids are living in their basements because there are no jobs. *** and it seems that we carried major fights in Wisconsin based on Walker taking on these same unions. But Romney didn't.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (QxSug)

554
What we all need, apparently, is a primer in recognizing and utilizing political value.
The entire Right wouldn't know political value if it bit them on their asses.

Step 2 is to create a counter-media apparatus.

Step 3? Victory.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (39q3n)

555 Ace, to this day I'm still at a loss as to what you expect to gain by attempting to police the behavior of the Right online.

What will this schoolmarm stuff accomplish?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (ZIcZg)

556 Actually the "Fighting Democrat" is one of the two standard campaign themes the Left has used for decades. It works. People want to see leaders who will fight for them and against their enemies. I've heard several Dem strategists/campaign operatives say that over the years. Unfortunately I can't remember what the other one was.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (ZPrif)

557 >>>If you want the Guilt-Ridden Upper Income Suburban Vote, you have to show you're fighting for the inner-city utes. I don't disagree with you entirely but I think you miss something more important in their voting decisions. Their votes are not primarily animated by Guilt, but by Vanity. Think about it. "Guilt" is just a byproduct. They wish to be thought of as the sort of people who worry about the utes. That is to say, it is Vanity which animates the desire to appear Filled with Guilt. It's not that I disagree with your particular, it's that I think there is a more Global principle animating all this that you're missing.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (LCRYB)

558 WHO? WHO. WON'T. WEAR. DA RIBBON! actually, leave for a smoke and don't know what the hell is going on here.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (fWAjv)

559 The key to convincing anyone of anything political is to make them think you are apolitical.

Think of Luntz's undecided fucking idiot crew.

These people thought it was highminded and intelligent to have such fucking ignorance they couldn't make up their mind.

So to convince them, you have to pretend to be so highminded and intelligent, that you feel the same....BUT....did you hear about X, Y, or Z?

People are stupid.  Use psychology against them.  Starting harassment campaigns on Twitter may be gratifying but it doesn't work to get votes from anyone.

Which would be great advice if votes actually mattered, still.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (/29Nl)

560 It's cause you talk like a fag and your shit is all retarded.

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 02:52 PM (da5Wo)

 

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Oh, right.  Thanks.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (CJjw5)

561 I was once involved in a case where, very very very long story short, the other side didn't turn over documents that had been requested quite specifically


It's called 'discovery'!


*files nails*

Posted by: Mona Lisa Vito at May 30, 2013 09:53 AM (GQ8sn)

562 I'm so surprised to hear Burn the Witch offer a completely unexpected thought like We Should Fight. He's done a complete 180 from his previous thinking on the matter. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:50 PM (LCRYB) Since you seem to have missed the two hundred times its been said due to the scintillating brilliance of your own insight, read #542 a few times. You don't even have to digest the several other, more nuanced points about upper income white suburban voters, or effectiveness of tactics. Just keep offering up your suggestion of passivity again. It's provided such great results. 180 degrees and all that

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:54 AM (NcPjb)

563 552 Seriously? He gets mild sarcasm and I get "shove it up your ass"? That's some racist BULLSHIT. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 02:51 PM (CJjw5) It's cause you talk like a fag and your shit is all retarded. Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 02:52 PM (da5Wo) I was going to say its because he likes you better.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:54 AM (qPCAa)

564 It's more than that though. The left traffics in policing language. And the words you will or wont say are the marker of inclusion in the right kind of society (the liberal kind). For them words are deeds, calling Sandra fluke a slut is the very act of misigynistic patriarchy they want to claim the right engages in all the time. For the right actions speak louder than words so anger over words just doesn't have the same kind of urgency. We actually do have to "gin up" outrage over words. Every single properly indoctrinated lefty "was" outraged to their core that Limbaugh said that. Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 02:42 PM (qPCAa) I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 09:54 AM (VtjlW)

565 Apparently your snark is interfering with your reading comprehension. It's not that we should fight, it's that we should use whatever weapons and opportunities we have. But you know...whatever floats your boat I guess.

Posted by: GMan at May 30, 2013 02:49 PM (sxq57)

 

This is where I differ.   Are Alinsky tatics the only successful tactics?  Do we have to become like the left to defeat the left or can we think of tactics to counteract them without losing that which makes us conservatives? 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 09:54 AM (m2CN7)

566 We can talk about more than one thing at a time. We can both talk about the IRS, and mock some celebutards. And the mocking is more fun for most people.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:55 AM (ZPrif)

567 Burn the Witch *** can we do that? The GOP does not have to appeal to people's patriotism. and mitt romney wasn't doing that anyway. and true, with bureaucrat ninjas using militarized SWAT teams against farmers and small business owners for minor infractions, it's kinda hard to get all weepy eyed. But the question is, once we merge with mexico, do we still have to be patriotic?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 09:55 AM (QxSug)

568 So now I know, the key -- and the only thing ever worth saying, ever -- is that We Should Fight.

_____________________________


I'm not sure how I come down on this one way or the other on this particular set of facts.  If you're saying this isn't the battle to fight because any victory would be pyrrhic if not a total loss, then if factually true I agree with your judgment. 

If you're urging that this isn't a tactic to use because it is dishonest even though we're taking faux outrage hits constantly from our political enemies, then I say fuck that. 

I'm long past the point of elevating discourse and "sticking to the issues" and pretending we're all WFB and losing elections with a sense of moral superiority.  That's no different than those who call for purity oaths and produce dead losers from GOP primaries.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 09:55 AM (nnkXw)

569

If you want the Guilt-Ridden Upper Income Suburban Vote, you have to show you're fighting for the inner-city utes.

 

Agreed. But the second you say "Let's shut down the public schools!" you're done.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (9KqcB)

570 I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:54 PM (VtjlW) That's a lot of syllables for the Horde to parse.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (da5Wo)

571 I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:54 PM (VtjlW) Yes. The signifiers are all that's left. There is nothing they are pointing to but themselves. Trust me, it is bat shit crazy to live like this. You missed a discussion of f whedon last night on the ONT.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (qPCAa)

572 I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified.

Insty linked a *wonderful* Dilbert cartoon on that very subject this morning.  Highly recommended.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (B/VB5)

573 Sorry Cochran, got called away by work. Now try some of this Stoudt's Scarlet Lady in a bottle and pass the popcorn.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (osdNx)

574 >>>The key to convincing anyone of anything political is to make them think you are apolitical. Going even higher in altitude about this: The key to convincing anyone of anything political is to convince them that by agreeing with you they demonstrate that they thereby increase their Social Worth.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (LCRYB)

575 I was going to say it's because he likes you better. --- Of course. Sodomy references are the ultimate expression of affection between Ewoks and theater majors.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 30, 2013 09:56 AM (GmTxn)

576 And the m socking is more fun for most people.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (IEgq0)

577 If you kids don't stop bickering, I'll turn this Internet around!

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (ZshNr)

578 Unfortunately I can't remember what the other one was.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 02:53 PM (ZPrif)

=========

Free Sh*t!

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (OtQXp)

579 ace, I'm on your side on this. As a former liberal, what really kept me from investigating conservatism earlier was the exaggerated outrage on dumb issues like with Levine's obviously dumb attempt at humor or Dunham's peeing statement.

Save your fire, people, and your credibility.

Leftism is destroying itself now with the help of the White House and DOJ. Don't interrupt them!

Posted by: PJ at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (ZWaLo)

580 Al-Qaeda Training Camp In Syria Trains Teenagers To Wage Jihad, Swear Allegiance To Ayman Al-ZawahiriÂ… Weasel Zippers: Hey I got an idea, lets have McCain visit them and hand out candy and bullets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (9Bj8R)

581 You missed a discussion of f whedon last night on the ONT.


Yes, a lot of discussion was simply deferred to atc because...well...you know.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (GQ8sn)

582 Oh, right. Thanks. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 02:53 PM (CJjw5) No prob. I'm not just about cracking jokes and linking to hot womynz. I occasionally provide cutting edge analysis and commentary as well.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:57 AM (da5Wo)

583 Bush didn't counter the left's lies on the advice of that political "genius" Karl Rove.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 02:47 PM (lZvxr)


And I think that same Rovian miasma retarded Romney's judgement so that "Do Not Respond!" stayed on as the R modus operandi!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (Cnqmv)

584 Step 1A. Get leaders with balls. Hurt feelings. People see all politicians the same. They Say fuck it and see what they can get for themselves. Why work? Why strive to be better? A real leader would remove the carrot. Tough decisions and all.

Posted by: Golfman In NC at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (tAa9K)

585 >>>If you're urging that this isn't a tactic to use because it is dishonest even though we're taking faux outrage hits constantly from our political enemies, then I say fuck that. I don't know how many times I can say the opposite. I said it once in the post and three times in the comments. Ah well. I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (LCRYB)

586 So I just spent 3 hours (working on 4, now, actually) on a SQL query where the fix was "production data is corrupt" and that was the *good* answer. Sometimes I wish I drank. On a completely unrelated note- would any of the catholic morons (yeah, it pretty well needs to be them) be willing to read my novel?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (/PCJa)

587

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:54 PM (VtjlW)

 

Speaking of that AtC.

Had my "exit report" today. Lasted about 15 minutes, they had a 2 page document typed up to hand me.

Looks like you were close to the mark.  They didn't like my "analytical mind" and how it "went into too much detail prolonging projects" (strangely, months ago when I asked about output speed it was just fine!  I even slowed down because they couldn't give me tasks fast enough.)

It's all confusing until you get to the end where they do comment that my drilling down "found many problems in current processes that otherwise would have been missed." (may not be an exact quote.)

Ah I see. I signified a threat to the order of things.  Cant' have that.  Must fire.

Yay!

But I got bagels and a thankyou card.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (GaqMa)

588 Geraldo was filming a special on Al Capone's walk-in meat freezer when somehow the door slammed shut and the lock mysteriously jammed

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 02:44 PM (mCvL4)


and 1000 years from now some alien archaeologist will crack it open on intergalactic television while claiming he's found the biggest douche in the galaxy.

Posted by: Berserker at May 30, 2013 09:58 AM (FMbng)

589

Doesn't matter.  I've already put all my chips on "It Will Burn"

 

The rest  is just dick jokes and time-fillers until the Burning Times.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (CJjw5)

590 I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 02:54 PM (VtjlW) Kinda like the group in my office that have meetings all. day. long. Do they actually produce anything tangible? No. To them the process is what's important. Having a meeting counts on the metrics. And in the law enforcement/national security arena, that mentality irks me.

Posted by: Mainah at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (659DL)

591 The left are masters at controlling the narrative. Hollywood. Network television. MSM. Then throw in some free stuff. Blogger/twitchy outrage over Adam Levine doesn't even move the needle.

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (VIaw0)

592 Ace, it is hard to predict your reaction. It's not like you don't often reach for extremely low-brow attacks. Yet other times you seem to get annoyed at us and other righties who do the same thing. And it seems your encouragement or disdain for a low brow attack can change from day to day depending on your mood. This confuses us.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (ZPrif)

593 Now try some of this Stoudt's Scarlet Lady in a bottle and pass the popcorn. Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 02:56 PM (osdNx) Craft beer? I thought you were in texas?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (da5Wo)

594 550 Who cares? Both of them are pieces of shit. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 30, 2013 02:52 PM (V1ZIU)
Only if they were in a Starbucks.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (RwHQb)

595 That was shove it up your ass  *sideways*   BTW.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (KXm42)

596 The LIV sees a celebrity as "someone who is in my living room every night" or "sings songs just to ME"

You should see all the tweets of support that Justin Bieber gets although it's funny seeing the black community say "Keyshawn should have beat his bitch ass"

Remember his Anne Frank tweet? It was more stupid than offensive, but the left made sure he felt the wrath

As far as his driving 90 mph through residential streets in Calabassas, his fanboyz and fangirlz have this as a typical sentiment;

"He's rich and young, let him have some fun!! Y R U H8n on Justin!!!!"

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 09:59 AM (mCvL4)

597

"Think about it. "Guilt" is just a byproduct. They wish to be thought of as the sort of people who worry about the utes. That is to say, it is Vanity which animates the desire to appear Filled with Guilt."

 

Agreed.  "Guilt" was a shortcut and Vanity is a better explanation - or even Fashionable. 

 

They want to be on the side of goodness.  Not badness.  But more importantly, they want other people to see them on the side of goodness.

 

Seizing education is the pathway to turn around the racist stigma and bring the elite on board.

 


 

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (u2a4R)

598 I occasionally provide cutting edge analysis and commentary as well. Really? When?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (/PCJa)

599 I don't know how many times I can say the opposite. I said it once in the post and three times in the comments.

Ah well. I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.



To be fair, there's a lot of comments to read through.  Maybe if you update your position in the main thread.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (GQ8sn)

600 I can't wait for the Burning Times, but I am worried that there won't be enough drink tickets.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (V1ZIU)

601

The key to convincing anyone of anything political is to make them think you are apolitical.

 

Yes.  Idea:  let's stop having our candidates and groups scream about how "conservative" they are and how their "conservative" group advocates  "conservative conservatism in a very conservative manner."

 

Democrats never use the  word liberal and rarely use "progressive" (which, although it's old, has much fewer  preconceived  notions about it than "conservative.")

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (9KqcB)

602 On a completely unrelated note- would any of the catholic morons (yeah, it pretty well needs to be them) be willing to read my novel?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 02:58 PM (/PCJa)

 

Uhh...if you're trying to recreate "A Canticle for Liebowitz" I would caution you that the author committed suicide trying to write the sequel to that because he couldn't top the original.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 10:00 AM (GaqMa)

603 If you're going to put up a new post, can it be about the theory that Mad Men's Megan Draper is Sharon Tate, and will suffer a similar fate?

It's interesting in that to understand it you must gaze upon on a picture of Sharon Tate in a wet T-shirt.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 30, 2013 10:01 AM (irlNU)

604

  I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.

 

 

 

We can't quit you, Ace. 

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 10:01 AM (IEgq0)

605 Just wanted to add that I hadn't heard a thing about these Levine and Dunham controversies until this post. I'm outraged.

Posted by: mugiwara at May 30, 2013 10:01 AM (W7ffl)

606 The GOP does not have to appeal to people's patriotism. and mitt romney wasn't doing that anyway. and true, with bureaucrat ninjas using militarized SWAT teams against farmers and small business owners for minor infractions, it's kinda hard to get all weepy eyed. But the question is, once we merge with mexico, do we still have to be patriotic? I'm not saying we have to appeal to people's patriotism. I think that just isn't going to get much play anymore because the left has poisoned that well from about four different directions. What will get play is mockery. Relentless, brutal, heartless mockery. Obama won an election that should have been extremely unfavorable to him by targeting LIVs. One way the left got those LIVs was to make them antipathetic (I'm too lazy to see if that's a word) toward Republicans through culture.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 10:01 AM (NcPjb)

607 When? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 03:00 PM (/PCJa) When you're not around. Can't be wasting the good shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (da5Wo)

608
I don't know how many times I can say the opposite. I said it once in the post and three times in the comments.

_____________________________

It's wasn't very clear how you conclude - at least not from your post itself.

I take this to mean you don't disagree with the tactic, just its application in the wrong battle?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (nnkXw)

609 I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.


Blog Of The Year has it's consequences.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (GQ8sn)

610 in the lefty pathology, reacting to their own prejudices and all that, they think that all the GOP offers is some sort of oil company owned and operated happy fun Jayzus filled patriot day gun-a-thon. fine. But that's not really what we served up in 2012. We got owned. Our grass roots groups were harassed to the point of being zero effect. Our big guns couldn't get out the vote (while at the same time bellowing it was a broken glass election). Our leaders couldn't out soundbite a 32 year old fat law students asking for free rubbers. Our candidate seemed unable to criticize that fucking guy so that most conservative positions were known only to me and a few bloggers at Heritage. I don't know. But right now, we have the IRS scandal. We should focus on that. If we ever develop a media apparatus that allows the GOP to communicate with the population as a whole, then we can start daily mocking campaigns. Making obama apologize for Weiner, having people laugh at the latest thing Pelosi or Biden said. But now, no.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (QxSug)

611 blogger/twitchy crap does move the needle. Just not that much. But every bit helps. And it moves the needle on our side. Echo chambers help strengthen resolve. Makes our side more confident. Confidence wins. The smug moral superiority of the Left is a vote winner.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (ZPrif)

612 Uhh...if you're trying to recreate "A Canticle for Liebowitz" I would caution you that the author committed suicide trying to write the sequel to that because he couldn't top the original. Don't worry. Nothing so high-brow.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (/PCJa)

613 >>>ace, I'm on your side on this. As a former liberal, what really kept me from investigating conservatism earlier was the exaggerated outrage on dumb issues like with Levine's obviously dumb attempt at humor or Dunham's peeing statement. what keeps liberals liberal is the belief, endlessly reinforced by the media, that being liberal makes one have higher Social Value. You ever read magazine covers where they say "You can lose 40 pounds just by exercising 15 minutes per week" or whatever? yeah they sell. Because they promise a large reward for a minimal effort. It's a lie, of course, but that's irrelevant. 40 pounds of weight loss for 15 minutes a week? Count me in! Most people are soft-liberal in basic wiring. This is not because they agree with liberal politics. It's because they have been told that being liberal -- just mouthing the occasional platitude, saying things like "I hate Rush Limbaugh," and voting liberal every four years will increase their Social Value. It will make them smarter, more accomplished, cooler. People have to realize that most voters do not give a shit about policy and are going to yank the lever for whichever party promises them the ability to think better of themselves and which offers greater Social Value (losing 40 lbs) for a trivial effort (vote for the D's).

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:02 AM (LCRYB)

614 Wait a minute now. We're supposed to provide cutting edge analysis on this here blog? I'm too drunk for that by far.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 30, 2013 10:03 AM (V1ZIU)

615

That was shove it up your ass *sideways* BTW.


 

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 02:59 PM (KXm42)

 

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Shh.  Don't "help."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 10:03 AM (CJjw5)

616
Going even higher in altitude about this: The key to convincing anyone of anything political is to convince them that by agreeing with you they demonstrate that they thereby increase their Social Worth.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:56 PM (LCRYB)


In my best Lucy Van Pelt imitation....

THAT'S IT!!!!!


Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 10:03 AM (/29Nl)

617 Good gravy, it's like there's this idea, we can't walk and chew gum at the same time, like we can't press IRS/Benghazi/AP/whatevs properly while still maintaining pressure delegitimizing them on the cultural front. Which is farthest from true--we should be able to have them wither under snipers on the flanks while we push up the center, as it were. We keep bemoaning being a herd of cats, while refusing to take advantage of it. No wonder we lose.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 10:03 AM (fMiHM)

618
Leftism is destroying itself now with the help of the White House and DOJ. Don't interrupt them!

As much as I'd like to believe, I can not. If you track Obama's approvals before, during, and after the scandals broke, you'd see that none of it had an impact.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 10:03 AM (BUcLz)

619 I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.




That's what Andrew liked best. 

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 10:04 AM (X6akg)

620 You missed a discussion of f whedon last night on the ONT. Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 02:56 PM (qPCAa) Oh thank God. I needed sleep, not the burning rage of ragey Whedon hate. This confuses us. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 02:59 PM (ZPrif) To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:04 AM (VtjlW)

621 I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.



fluffs hair,  is Breitbart watching us?(i kid) 

maybe i should run?

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:04 AM (nqBYe)

622 People have to realize that most voters do not give a shit about policy and are going to yank the lever for whichever party promises them the ability to think better of themselves and which offers greater Social Value


This is why we're fucked.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 10:04 AM (GQ8sn)

623 To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy. Now you're just *trying* to confuse people, aren't you?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (/PCJa)

624 Blog Of The Year has it's consequences. Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 03:02 PM (GQ8sn) BOTY was a result of commenters (at least in part), not the other way around.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (da5Wo)

625 Don't worry. Nothing so high-brow.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 03:02 PM (/PCJa)

 

You know where to find me.

Although I'm a bit busy right now with the job search (but that comes in spurts.)

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (GaqMa)

626 Right, that's why it's important to constantly tear down that social value. Constantly demean and smear the Democrat/Liberal/Progressive brand. It's an uphill battle, but every bit helps.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (ZPrif)

627 To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 03:04 PM (VtjlW)


Huh?


tea.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (nqBYe)

628 609 I guess I just have to accept that some commenters are here to comment.
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Uneasy lies the blog that wears the crown...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (aDwsi)

629 How do you 'misinterpret' "I hate this country"??? If someone said, "I hate Jesus" or "I hate Muhammad" would there be ANY room for misinterpretation? How plain does speech have to be?

How do you 'misinterpret' in the conciseness imposed by a tweet, the juxtaposition of, urinating and 'Happy' Memorial Day...
That she mentioned that she urinated twice indicates it was not accidental. Memorial's are occasions that elicit solemnity and in this case, gratitude. There's nothing to be 'happy' about.

Occam's razor applies. Dunham knew exactly what she was implying and it was entirely intentional. Dunham is a leftist who subscribes to the meme that America is the fount of evil in the world and that its military is the means used to maintain and extend that evil. There's nothing nuanced about her.

Posted by: Geoffrey Britain at May 30, 2013 10:05 AM (ZndZX)

630

This thread is still going on?

 

Have we decided anything?

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 10:06 AM (tVWQB)

631 I can't wait for the Burning Times, but I am worried that there won't be enough drink tickets. I'm bringing my own. At that point, screw the rules.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 10:06 AM (YIZv0)

632 To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 03:04 PM (VtjlW)

1. Female orgasm
2.????

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 30, 2013 10:06 AM (O6Tmi)

633 >>>Ace, it is hard to predict your reaction. It's not like you don't often reach for extremely low-brow attacks. Yet other times you seem to get annoyed at us and other righties who do the same thing. And it seems your encouragement or disdain for a low brow attack can change from day to day depending on your mood. the answer is very simple: Hypocrisy. I'm not really annoyed by anyone for disagreeing with me. I'm annoyed by people who play the same "You don't want to fiiiiight, you're a big chicken" or "You're not Truuue Con" card over and over again, like they're Big Fucking Heroes for posting in comments. You have to understand, this is an insulting tactic. The tactic is not designed to prove to someone that he is wrong: It is designed to announce to someone that there is a Social Penalty to be paid for disagreement. I fucking hate that. It's maddening. It's taken as an insult because it IS an insult. (And no I'm not saying you did this-- but GMMan and Burn the Witch and the other Fight-Fight-Fight Rah-Rah men are playing those cards, as usual.)

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:06 AM (LCRYB)

634 John Tant, i dunno, i forgot what everyone was discussing.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:06 AM (nqBYe)

635 Woah now. Are you saying I can lose 40 lbs just by voting Democrat? Go on...

Posted by: LIV at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (W7ffl)

636 To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 03:04 PM (VtjlW) No, it's a pretty easy distinction. Does it fall under What Is Best In Life, boobs or booze? No? Then...confusing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (da5Wo)

637 OT/ I used too much toilet paper in the bathroom at work. Stuck standing around the bowl watching and waiting for the eater level to drop so that I can try and flush agian.

Posted by: Headline News at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (LnQr8)

638 Were these two capable of shame, I would say shame them. The evidence says they are not, so throat punch them. Like the stubborn mule and the muleteer wielding the 2x4, sometimes you have to get their attention.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (wXcOC)

639 Pro tip>>>Questioning someone's patriotism or love of country is rarely a winning argument.

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (VIaw0)

640 I can't speak for Ace but the reason I won't seize on these kinds of issues is because if I don't have my intellectual honesty, what DO I have?

A severe lack of intellectual honesty is a hallmark of leftist tactics and I simply refuse to make that a trait I share with them.

That said, no one is saying that we shouldn't fight back. NO ONE. In fact, I don't think anyone is saying that we shouldn't use their tactics against them. I'd just prefer to take intellectually dishonest faux-outrage off the table.

What I DO encourage us to do is make them live up to their own rulebook just as they have done to us. A Democrat with no Family Values isn't a huge deal but a Conservative Christian lacking Family Values is a massive ordeal. I propose we do our best to Akin-ize their candidates.

It's tough without the media, but we need to get them on the record regarding anything stupid anyone on their side has said. Make them either defend or condemn their compatriots dumb/offensive comments. We can do that without the intellectually dishonest faux-outrage.

Ace is right. There are issues and then there are non-issues. Just because I don't jump up and down about the left's equivalent of 'Big Bird' and 'Binders Full of Women' doesn't mean I'm unwilling to pursue the issues the matter and the GOP largely passed up when they should have been capitalizing (Wright, Ayers, Benghazi, etc.).

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 30, 2013 10:07 AM (tWmgi)

641 Now you're just *trying* to confuse people, aren't you? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 03:05 PM (/PCJa) I look askance upon your assertion, though it may, perhaps, be based upon a factual foundation, that I would, given any even arguably reasonable opportunity, partake in the effort to present my position in a manner which cannot be classified as direct and forthright. Effort is bad.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (VtjlW)

642 Have we decided anything?

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 03:06 PM (tVWQB)


----


EoJ's sphincter needs stretching.


Other than that???  Samo Samo.....


Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (nELVU)

643

Ace, I would bet that a good block of your readers, probably a majority, agree with the basic thesis of this post.

You often get dragged into arguments with some of the commenters here who dismiss your thoughts as not being sufficiently conservative.  Unfortunately, some of the most vocal commenters here are also some of the least insightful.  (SOME, NOT ALL).  I just hope that you realize that these are not the majority of your readers, who are either lurkers or rare-commenters.  Sometimes I think you would be better off just ignoring the trolls and moving on to another post.

Posted by: dan-O at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (D0bIN)

644

So in summation : We need to fight.

Is that what we all agreed on?

I wasn't paying attention...still distracted by the thought of Lacey streaking the place.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (IEgq0)

645 How do you 'misinterpret' "I hate this country"??? If someone said, "I hate Jesus" or "I hate Muhammad" would there be ANY room for misinterpretation? How plain does speech have to be? When you assume it means more than it does. For instance, many of us here on the blog have said some variant of "I hate this country." Do you believe that we actually hate the United States? Seriously? Using myself as an anecdote: I quite frequently say (usually in despair), "I hate people." It's hyperbole- overstatement for the purpose of highlighting some other point (or humor, or both). The Adam Levine statement is a stupid one to harp on. I'm still not convinced the same is true of the Lena Dunham one, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (/PCJa)

646 BOTY was a result of commenters (at least in part), not the other way around. To be fair, I'm sure Ace and the Cobs had something to do with that, too...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 10:08 AM (fMiHM)

647 EoJ's sphincter needs stretching.


EoJ is getting an episiotomy.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 10:09 AM (GQ8sn)

648 anyway perhaps it comes down to something simple.

You feel like rhetorically smacking a person on the other team , if it floats your boat , alright.

but it might not mean anything in the scheme of things.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:09 AM (nqBYe)

649 No, it's a pretty easy distinction. Does it fall under What Is Best In Life, boobs or booze? No? Then...confusing. Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 03:07 PM (da5Wo) A distinction is not a list.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:09 AM (VtjlW)

650 Are you saying I can lose 40 lbs just by voting Democrat?

After the Death Panel pulls the plug and you shuffle off this mortal coil, weight loss proceeds rapidly.

Posted by: Waterhouse re-writes an old Mad magazine joke at May 30, 2013 10:09 AM (irlNU)

651 >>>Have we decided anything?

I believe we've proven that the Infinite Monkey Theorem is false.

Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2013 10:09 AM (UzPAd)

652
Have we decided anything?

No, but the jig is up. Ace is on to us.
He knows we're here to comment!

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (NLH1M)

653 "I don't know. But right now, we have the IRS scandal. We should focus on that." No argument from me. But see, apparently we can't beat on that drum too much, or we alienate voters. We apparently can't talk too much about dumb celebrities either, lest we scare away voters. At least Anthony Weiner is on the radar again, so now we can talk about what's really important.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (NcPjb)

654 When you assume it means more than it does. Or perhaps if you assume it means less, which is foolish by far...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (fMiHM)

655 Goose gander deal. Until we fight as dirty as the fascists of the left we will lose our country and freedom.

Posted by: jukin at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (WGm5T)

656 To me there's an ecosystem. Some people are good at some things, others at others. I think it's good that there are some on our side who are good at the daily leftist celebutard outrage crap. It doesn't motivate me. I couldn't do it. But I think it helps overall and I'm glad somebody is doing it. But I don't believe the cat herd needs to be herded. Everybody should write and bitch and complain about what bothers them. There are lefty blog that are just daily Repubs are racist scum. Most smart lefties probably couldn't read or write that daily crap, but it helps their side that somebody does.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (ZPrif)

657 To be fair, the list of what confuses the Horde isn't precisely non-lengthy. Posted by: alexthechick
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Alex-- Actually it is  precise..., I have it right here..., too large to post though, several MB. And, BTW, it got longer today...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (aDwsi)

658 >>>I take this to mean you don't disagree with the tactic, just its application in the wrong battle? I'm not against low tactics that can work. I am not so proud or as high-minded to sneer at a low, base, crude tactic that could actually work. In some cases I say Game On. Sauce for the Goose, etc. But yeah, sometimes we get kind of nutty about this like the *goal* of the game is to simply be as awful as the left. That's not the goal -- that's merely an acceptable MEANS to the goal. The goal is to win. To gain political power so that we can make America America again. Sometimes stooping to their level will help us achieve that goal; often (more often, I think) it will not. In these cases, I just have to think the stakes are so trivial (we're going to take down Levine and Dunham?) and the tactic so crude that it discredits us and makes us look bad, and thus takes us further from the actual goal, not closer to it.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (LCRYB)

659 You clearly don't know much about evangelical Christians. Try herding those cats in any single direction and then come back and talk to me about 'groupthink elements'. Posted by: troyriser at May 30, 2013 01:39 PM (vtiE6) Notice that I wrote: "But even they aren't anywhere near as mindlessly homogenized into a solid identity bloc as would be useful for us." Anyway, I thought I might've been a bit flippant at characterizing evangelicals. My point is that I gather there's a lot more principle-based voting among evangelical constituencies than among Democrat identity blocs, and that makes it harder to "herd the cats", as it were. Sorry it sounded like I was saying evangelicals are mindless. I don't think that.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (Y5I9o)

660 Local radio news update has established that anti-gun control agenda was the motive for the ricin letters. Still haven't figured out Ft. Hood, though.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (ZshNr)

661

I repeat: Welcome to the post-modern society where all that matters are the signifiers rather than what is being signified.

 

Post-Modernism is a societal construct forced upon us by a retrograde patriarchal group of  psychologically stunted adolescents who can't understand the inherent absurdity  of saying "Forward" when what they advocate  actually   leads us back to a past  where political dominance was the norm  and individuality and freedom was the exception.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (0HooB)

662 I look askance upon your assertion, though it may, perhaps, be based upon a factual foundation, that I would, given any even arguably reasonable opportunity, partake in the effort to present my position in a manner which cannot be classified as direct and forthright. The words!!! THE! WORDS!!!! So you're saying it comes naturally, then?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (/PCJa)

663 A distinction is not a list. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 03:09 PM (VtjlW) But a rose is still a rose.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (da5Wo)

664 although smacking  around weiner's  weiner, Was rather fun. if silly.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (nqBYe)

665 In other news, FNC has the live helicopter shots up as storms unfold in OK.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (DPdf7)

666 Ok, I'm confused.  Are we supposed to engage in the popular culture because that's what wags politics vs the reverse or not? 

If so are we as conservatives going to play by some enlightened Marquess of Queensberry rules as libs keep expecting us to rather than Alinsky's rules because libs may also use Alinsky's rules to paint us as ever angry, anti sex, drugs, and rock & roll or some other such similar nonsense?

Posted by: LT at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (M8Ufj)

667

EoJ is getting an episiotomy.

 

If a stitch in time saves nine...

what does a stitch in taint save?

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (IEgq0)

668

Ace,

 

You're social worth theory is interesting.

Part of this comes from this strange (presumably postmodern) idea that government can represent morality.  As such the liberals have convinced people that voting for them is good because their the more "moral" because they want to "help" people.

If that supposition is correct then the fix would be (theoretically) to convince people that individual freedom is the ultimate height of moral government and therefore people need to vote conservative.

 

I think you're right that this sort of thing is tricky, choosing when to fight and went to take a pass. The Levine thing seems to slippery to grab a hold of and I think Dunham is equally problematic because the whole "anti-war" crowd has been shitting on the respect for soldiers for decades without any backlash significant enough to shake them from it.  In that respect, it'll be hard to rile up the LIVs to see that the leftism is not the "moral" choice by using these.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (GaqMa)

669 Wow.  I walk away for an hour or so and this thread is still going strong?  Someone grab the Glade air freshener!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 10:11 AM (4df7R)

670 Have we decided anything? ---- I've decided that Adam Levine is pretty, and people who pick on him are big meanies.

Posted by: LIV at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (GmTxn)

671 Can I start an Apple vs. Droid deathmatch? I'm thinking of dropping my HTC evo (a few years old now) for an iphone 4S. Sprint has it for 100. The iphone 5 is 200, but I just don't think there's anything special about the 5 that I must have when compared to the 4S. Plus, the 4S is smaller (in length) than the 5 and smaller than my current phone. I'm pretty much set to pull the trigger unless I'm missing some huge reason not to.

Posted by: Mainah at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (659DL)

672 You feel like rhetorically smacking a person on the other team , if it floats your boat , alright. but it might not mean anything in the scheme of things. Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 03:09 PM (nqBYe) I see someone didn't actually watch the movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (VtjlW)

673 alex, is being tough on this  BCochran, just say she  won, and hand her a nice iced tea.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (nqBYe)

674 The day I give a shit what Adam Levine thinks is the day I castrate myself with a salad fork.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (o5R8U)

675 of course, the fucking lefties love to question our patriotism. Or maybe you haven't heard because that bullshit is never replayed and never subject to the "didja hear what Obama" said game. I think we're falling into the trap of accepting the democrat's premises. McCain and Romney went out of their way to "not question" that fucking guy's patriotism while that fucking guy's supporters sure as hell will call your beliefs treasonous. Notice also, that Kerry showed up at the DNC 2004 convention, ready for duty, you betcha, saluting the crowd after storming the shore from a swiftboat. Yet, here we are, reacting to some lefty shrieking "don't question my patriotism" as if that's all we have to offer. Of course, the boutique white person problems voter will vote democrat because lena dunham's sister wants to have a wedding party or something. What can you do?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (QxSug)

676 Lost in all the shuffle here is the fact that 95% of the voters always vote for the same Party.  The key is generating the enthusiasm for your Party's people to get to the polls.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 10:12 AM (lZvxr)

677

How do you 'misinterpret' "I hate this country"??? If someone said, "I hate Jesus" or "I hate Muhammad" would there be ANY room for misinterpretation? How plain does speech have to be?

Who hates Jesus Ortiz and Muhammad Ali?   Bastards. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (m2CN7)

678 Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 03:06 PM (LCRYB)

I have no idea why this post has elicited such a reaction. You can be cryptic and a bit convoluted, but not this time.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (O6Tmi)

679 Levine's comment? Meh. Think he meant mostly, "I hate the audience" with a little "Screw those redneck country loving hicks" ala carte. Dunham? She was talking about shitting on some dead troops. The cow says Moo.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (ZWvOb)

680 There was once an episode on the X Files where the Cigarette Man explains how he can do what he does with the blessing of the people ...

Smith: "My justice is not for you to mete out. You may have reasons, you have no right, you have no means."

Cancer Man: "You presume to dictate duty to *me*? Have you any idea what the cost of your action is? What their affect might be? Who are you to give them hope?"

Smith: "What do you give them?"

Cancer Man: "We give them happiness, and they give us authority."

Smith: "The authority to take away their freedom in the guise of democracy."

Cancer Man: "Men can never be free, because they're weak, corrupt, worthless and restless. The people believe in authority, they've grown tired of waiting for miracle or mystery. Science is their religion, no greater explanation exists for them. They must never believe any differently if the project is to go forward."



Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (mCvL4)

681 In other news, FNC has the live helicopter shots up as storms unfold in OK. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 03:11 PM

KOCO meteorologist reporting on CNN call-in that today could be the one they look back on as the worst.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (2iU3x)

682 "(And no I'm not saying you did this-- but GMMan and Burn the Witch and the other Fight-Fight-Fight Rah-Rah men are playing those cards, as usual.)" ace, I fucking dare you to show me where I said you were "chicken" or not a "true con". Or perhaps where I've ever said that to you. I don't happen to agree with you on this, but I've never said that bullshit. Now you're just being an asshole.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 10:13 AM (NcPjb)

683

When was the last time Ace used 'shibboleth' in a post? 

 

I feel like it's been a bit longer than usual.

Posted by: garrett at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (IEgq0)

684 Since this post is going to end up as the ONT, let's just get on with the boobehs and Joss Whedon discussions.

Posted by: EC at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (GQ8sn)

685 alex,

lol what movie !?

giggling. I'm  just walking in from perspiring my rear off,  digging holes for a few new rosebushes.

You expect me to Read   everything before i comment?

fgtyuiop

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (nqBYe)

686

Mainah at May 30, 2013 03:12 PM (659DL)

 

Lot of value in a $100 iPhone 4S.  I think it's a reasonable choice.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (tVWQB)

687 ***No argument from me. But see, apparently we can't beat on that drum too much, or we alienate voters. We apparently can't talk too much about dumb celebrities either, lest we scare away voters. ** yeah, those who say that are bullshit. IRS scandal is fire and forget, this is war, the public supports us, we keep digging until we get Obama to give a speech about how much he loves his dog. and then we make him resign in disgrace.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (QxSug)

688 "The implication was that he hates a country that keeps voting for this whitebread, redneck country music shit." But he didn't say "I hate these country music voters," he said "I hate this country." You don't say that unless you have hatred for this country in your heart. "Nonsense. As Greg Gutfeld said, it's the equivalent of seeing your neighborhood pub replaced with an Applebees or something and saying "I hate this country". Nothing is "resonating in your heart", except possibly the empty space where some good whisky used to be." Sorry, but a person's response to dis-preferred economic change is not "I hate this country" unless hatred for this country resonates in their heart. I have seen lots of idiotic developments that I do indeed hate, like the greens forcing massive dense development along El Camino in my Bay Area neighborhood in anticipation of a high speed train to nowhere. Worst traffic planning ever, going to be ruinous, but no, it does not even cross my mind to say "I hate this country." I hate the F-ing greens and that's what I say. The only way I'd say I hated this country would be if I hated this country.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 30, 2013 10:14 AM (kTTUz)

689 In these cases, I just have to think the stakes are so trivial (we're going to take down Levine and Dunham?) and the tactic so crude that it discredits us and makes us look bad, and thus takes us further from the actual goal, not closer to it. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 03:10 PM (LCRYB) Here's the thing Ace, when you are constantly, every single second of the day, berated, otherized, called immoral and corrupt and racist and sexist and homophobic and grandma killer and all that other shit, when that is constantly happening....eventually you say "FUCK IT. I'm going to punch you in the fucking face every chance I get, no matter how big or small." It's a purely emotional reaction to being told you're a shithead constantly. "Well then, game on bitch." Now, I'm not saying it's the right reaction or the wrong reaction. I think the circumstance determines the appropriate response. But do I understand the sentiment? Oh. Fuck. Yes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 10:15 AM (da5Wo)

690 (i did make your  iced tea, it's beside your gun)

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 10:15 AM (nqBYe)

691 Well said Ace.

Posted by: Liontooth at May 30, 2013 10:15 AM (xk0Xg)

692 193 Nicely put eoj this is why I have your name in hearts all over my peechee Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 01:42 PM (tliFw) What a coincidence! So do I.

Posted by: baldilocks at May 30, 2013 10:15 AM (Su0W2)

693 The words!!! THE! WORDS!!!! So you're saying it comes naturally, then? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 03:10 PM (/PCJa) Pretty much. A lot of it stems from spending several years trying to find court appropriate ways to say various things. It is frowned upon to actually put "Dude. They suck out loud." in a court brief.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:15 AM (VtjlW)

694 Now you're just being an asshole.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 03:13 PM (NcPjb)

 

In fairness that's pretty much his default.  It wouldn't be the first time Ace has "hyperbolized" something a commenter has said to hit them with it.

I've ratcheted down accordingly.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 10:16 AM (GaqMa)

695 > Can I start an Apple vs. Droid deathmatch? I'm thinking of dropping my HTC evo (a few years old now) for an iphone 4S. Sprint has it for 100. The iphone 5 is 200, but I just don't think there's anything special about the 5 that I must have when compared to the 4S. Plus, the 4S is smaller (in length) than the 5 and smaller than my current phone. I'm pretty much set to pull the trigger unless I'm missing some huge reason not to. Huge gotcha with iPhone's (4s and 5) on Sprint. You can't be on a voice call and use the data connection at the same time, so no talking to someone who you're supposed to meet with while using the GPS. Ask me how I found out that little tidbit. I wish I would have waited for a new Blackberry.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 30, 2013 10:16 AM (ZWvOb)

696 Or perhaps if you assume it means less, which is foolish by far... Why, other than as possible political fodder, does Adam Levine's love or hate for this country matter? What's he going to do about it? The answers are: "it doesn't" and "nothing." Then, given that it's such picayune bs, why waste our own time with it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:16 AM (/PCJa)

697

667
EoJ is getting an episiotomy.

 

I knew if I stuck it in all at once, there would be some ripping.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 10:16 AM (u2a4R)

698 The only way I'd say I hated this country would be if I hated this country. Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 30, 2013 03:14 PM (kTTUz) It would be nice if everyone followed your rules about the exact concordance between the words you utter and their most literal meaning. But it doesn't work that way.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 10:17 AM (Y5I9o)

699 Thank you, willow. *sips* But a rose is still a rose. Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 03:10 PM (da5Wo) *slides over a cigar*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies. at May 30, 2013 10:17 AM (VtjlW)

700 Craft beer? I thought you were in texas? Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 02:59 PM (da5Wo) I am but I'm a Pennsy girl originally. Went to Stoudt's microbrew fest basically every year from the ages 21-32. They make gooooood beer.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 30, 2013 10:17 AM (B2fm1)

701 finally a new one

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 10:17 AM (lZvxr)

702
Hell..... be a damn shame if THIS thread gets a 1K post count.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 30, 2013 10:17 AM (nELVU)

703 The only way I'd say I hated this country would be if I hated this country. Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 30, 2013 03:14 PM (kTTUz) I hate irony.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 10:18 AM (Y5I9o)

704 you can't dismiss the fight fight rah rah commentators here because Boooooshhhh won in 2004 with: superb GOTV that Kerry soundbite. wedges galore. Mackerel 2008 and Mitt Resume 2012 ran softer, gentler campaigns with almost no GOTV, no blithering idiot Obama sound bite. And no wedges. add to that: 1. the media. holy fucking shit did they lay down for obama. The GOP was powerless. 2. The demographics. If we hadn't agreed to full scale importation of about 40 million new americans over past 2 decades (with our proposed merging with mexico to be completed asap), Obama would have lost worse than mondale. You put those points in a blender, it's no wonder that we're all confused. On the one hand, it's the message, on the other hand, the message doesn't matter. On the other other hand, we fucked up giving the message that didn't matter anyway.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:18 AM (QxSug)

705

193 Nicely put eoj this is why I have your name in hearts all over my peechee
Posted by: phoenixgirl....in Maui phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at May 30, 2013 01:42 PM (tliFw)



What a coincidence! So do I.

 

Posted by: baldilocks at May 30, 2013 03:15 PM (Su0W2)

 

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Pleasure Battalion... ASSEMBLE!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 30, 2013 10:18 AM (CJjw5)

706 KOCO meteorologist reporting on CNN call-in that today could be the one they look back on as the worst. *** I hope not. Those folks in OK have had it bad enough to last a lifetime.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 10:18 AM (DPdf7)

707 Ace, Because you are reading comments, can I make a humble observation: Your work on twitter is politically powerful. It is an effective bully pulpit with politicians (ex. Weiner) and the press. Please keep it up. This blog is great fun, but I think your twittering directly impacts political dialogue.

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 10:19 AM (VIaw0)

708 703 The only way I'd say I hated this country would be if I hated this country. Posted by: Alec Rawls at May 30, 2013 03:14 PM (kTTUz) I hate irony. Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 03:18 PM (Y5I9o) ...and sarcasm. I really hate sarcasm.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 10:19 AM (Y5I9o)

709 and it seems that we carried major fights in Wisconsin based on Walker taking on these same unions.
But Romney didn't.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 02:53 PM (QxSug)

 

 

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Romney was a nice guy.  That was our problem.   He could never use the MAJOR weapon that the right had at that time which was Ocare  because  he had absolutely no moral authority to  run against it.

 

As for the lesser weapons, he listened to the likes of Rove and Co.  

 

A close 2nd is still  not winning.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 10:20 AM (UTrUJ)

710

I'll agree with Ace that using liberal tactics on low priority targets is a waste of time and a distraction.

 

However, I maintain that going after the minority vote in a game changing, table turning way by using education as the gateway to switch generations of blacks and hispanics over to the GOP is well worth it.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 10:20 AM (u2a4R)

711 Id defend Levine on this. I have said i hated my country several times since Obama has been elected. Also in reference to the horrors of Gosnell.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 30, 2013 10:20 AM (o5R8U)

712

In these cases, I just have to think the stakes are so trivial (we're going to take down Levine and Dunham?)

 

I think it's less about "taking down" levine and Dunham -- they're nobody's, so    what good would that do in the scheme of things? -- so much as it's about removing their celebrity gloss.   LIVs like to    follow the pretty people, who they view as infallible.  Well tough shit.  The LIVs need to wake up and realize that the pretty people in their cosmetic    coffee klatches     are not perfect. 

 

Frankly the majority of    LIVs and FSAs    won't care one way or the other what either side has to say, so I don't think it's much worth arguing about.   Have at it if you want to sling arrows at    these two putrid pustules, but if not, no harm, no foul.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 10:21 AM (4df7R)

713 It is frowned upon to actually put "Dude. They suck out loud." in a court brief. Only because they didn't let me write the rules.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:21 AM (/PCJa)

714
How about a post that kicks around ideas on how we blew it with the scandals so it never happens again?

One reason we blew it with Benghazi was because we didn't personalize it. The mothers of the victms should've been called to testify.

Do you think that's low? You're an idiot if you do. But explain why, anyway.

Posted by: Soothsayer at May 30, 2013 10:22 AM (Y4TdB)

715 The answers are: "it doesn't" and "nothing." In and of itself, no, but it's like an individual tile in a mosaic. By itself, it's just an insignificant tile...but it's what you use it for that gives it value. Drip, drip, drip. Levine's hot mic...Beyonce and Jay-Z in Cuba...Roseanne opens her mouth...bit by bit, you draw the picture: These people don't like you. They don't care. They take your money and treat you like crap. Drip. Drip. Drip. Just like they did to us, still do.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 30, 2013 10:22 AM (fMiHM)

716 706 KOCO meteorologist reporting on CNN call-in that today could be the one they look back on as the worst.

***

I hope not. Those folks in OK have had it bad enough to last a lifetime. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 30, 2013 03:18 PM

Some leftist celebtard will tweet "they deserve it for voting against Sandy aid"

Anyone who lashes back at said celebtard will be hurting the cause and turning off celebrity worshiping LIVs who could be swayed to our side

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 10:24 AM (mCvL4)

717 I heard that Levine actually said "I hate these fags." I think the press should ask Jay Carney to get him to apologize to That basketball guy.

Posted by: blaster at May 30, 2013 10:24 AM (N5ZQC)

718 Romney was a nice guy. That was our problem. He could never use the MAJOR weapon that the right had at that time which was Ocare because he had absolutely no moral authority to run against it. *********** I don't know about that. Ocare was passed by Pelosi who famously had no idea what was in it and Obama's strategy was "just bribe everyone and get me something I could sign". That's not exactly a strong position. Also, Romney could say, well we learned lessons from Romneycare. Lessons that you ignored in your haste to sign a bill you hadn't read.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:24 AM (QxSug)

719 Drip, drip, drip. Levine's hot mic...Beyonce and Jay-Z in Cuba...Roseanne opens her mouth...bit by bit, you draw the picture: These people don't like you. They don't care. They take your money and treat you like crap. Meh. Beyonce & Jay-Z in Cuba, any time Roseanne opens her pie-hole, those are probably worth something, because they're saying "I'm better than you." You can use those. Levine's comment? I don't think you're going to get traction. And, given that this isn't something actually important to the country like Benghazi or the IRS scandal, or tax policy, or immigration policy, or... whatever- pick your battles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 10:25 AM (/PCJa)

720 Frankly the majority of LIVs and FSAs won't care one way or the other what either side has to say, so I don't think it's much worth arguing about. Have at it if you want to sling arrows at these two putrid pustules, but if not, no harm, no foul.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 03:21 PM (4df7R)

 

 

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Agree.  It's hard to dispense ideas when so many are too stupid, disengaged, or have their faces buried in the governments tits.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 10:26 AM (UTrUJ)

721 >>In these cases, I just have to think the stakes are so trivial (we're going to take down Levine and Dunham?) and the tactic so crude that it discredits us and makes us look bad, and thus takes us further from the actual goal, not closer to it I'm not interested in taking down Levine or Dunham. Their existence doesn't even move my give a shit meter. What I am interested in doing is using the tactics the left has used against us for years. Use every slight, perceived or real, as an opportunity to point out to people what the left is really all about. It doesn't have to be all out war with a twit of an "actress". Just use her as an example and keep using people like her as examples. Sure, the IRS, Benghazi, Rosen all of these are real scandals and deserve full power. But we are trying to get the undecideds to see things our way. It would help if they see what our way is and what the left's way is.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 30, 2013 10:27 AM (g1DWB)

722
   Just call them both idiot assholes (the truth) and be done with it.

    Now wait for another one to do the same thing to.


     You can have hours of good clean fun doing this.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2013 10:27 AM (SAMxH)

723

Romney was a nice guy. That was our problem. He could never use the MAJOR weapon that the right had at that time which was Ocare because he had absolutely no moral authority to run against it.

 

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I don't know about his niceness.  He was a merciless close-quarter  political   knifefighting son of a bitch in the primaries, and in the general he turned soft. 

 

Still trying to figure that out.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 10:27 AM (tVWQB)

724 >>>Here's the thing Ace, when you are constantly, every single second of the day, berated, otherized, called immoral and corrupt and racist and sexist and homophobic and grandma killer and all that other shit, when that is constantly happening....eventually you say "FUCK IT. I'm going to punch you in the fucking face every chance I get, no matter how big or small." It's a purely emotional reaction to being told you're a shithead constantly. "Well then, game on bitch." I don't know how many times I can affirm and re-affirm that I find no moral fault in this. I'm questioning the efficacy. Look, either agree with this or don't: The goal is to APPEAR to be all fair-minded and reasonable and Loves Science and shit. Note I say "Appear." You may remember my many, many tributes to the power of Just Plain Old Lying in the past. I'm angry. I'm angry all the time. If I'm being honest, I'm angry. If I'm being honest, I hate Obama. Yes... hate. That word. here's my question, though: Is this level of candor -- declaring that I hate Obama -- useful? Well... it's honest. And it sure feels good to say I hate him. But in public discourse, will I win or lose by confessing this? I tend to think we'd do better to lie and say we don't hate him. Yeah I said it, lie.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:28 AM (LCRYB)

725 Lot of value in a $100 iPhone 4S. I think it's a reasonable choice. Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 03:14 PM (tVWQB) Yeah, if it was 150 I would think a little harder about it. You can't be on a voice call and use the data connection at the same time, so no talking to someone who you're supposed to meet with while using the GPS. Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 30, 2013 03:16 PM (ZWvOb) Ha! Really? Kinda dumb. I will say though, Apple does a friggen brilliant job convincing people that it's so easy and convenient to have your ipod, phone, tablet, pc, all sync'd up. I'll admit I've bought into it.

Posted by: Mainah at May 30, 2013 10:29 AM (659DL)

726 People have to realize that most voters do not give a shit about policy and are going to yank the lever for whichever party promises them the ability to think better of themselves and which offers greater Social Value (losing 40 lbs) for a trivial effort (vote for the D's). When it comes to Presidential elections I actually think people vote for whoever has a more interesting/compelling 'story' to tell. The Dems are masters at this, especially at conventions. I heard a 'forensic' psychiatric on NPR talk a couple of days ago. He was involved in a murder investigation where six witnesses were involved. Long story short (LSS) he was able to recreate the lighting conditions at the time of the murder and prove to a judge that it was impossible for the six witnesses to even see the shooters face. Yet they all identified the same person when give a photo array. LSS the judge ordered a new trial, defendant walked, police found the actual shooter and driver who confessed. That's the background. What I found interesting was that he referred to our retelling of our memories as a 'story' we tell. Think about telling two people about an event you remember. One is rushed for time and you omit most details, one is sitting around casually and you can spend time delving into every possible detail you can recall, making the 'story' as interesting as possible. Which is the more compelling 'story'? Which is more believable? Think about the rich amount of details you personally know about Obama's 'story'. I'll bet you know his place of birth, about his alcoholic fathers death, his mother, his grandparents, the schools he attended, countries he visited. Think you could answer the same questions about McCain or Obama? I think Ted Cruz has one helluva story to tell. You heard it here first.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 10:30 AM (U2UQk)

727 I guess I didn't get it 'till now 'cause I'm dumb:

But isn't Ace--the guy who helped take down Weiner with dick jokes--wondering out loud here whether low-brow attacks are effective?

I get he's saying we should fight and fight dirty but I don't see any results to back up his "maybe fightin' dirty isn't the best tactic all the time?"

Which is to say, I could be persuaded if there were examples of us winning voters by being the good guys all the time.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 10:30 AM (VjL9S)

728

But yeah, sometimes we get kind of nutty about this like the *goal* of the game is to simply be as awful as the left.

 

Maybe the schism  is between those who  were once a Democrat/grew up with Democrats  and those who don't know any decent Democrats  and never have.

 

A lot folks  see  no value in persuasion or converting.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:31 AM (9KqcB)

729

Posted by: kbdabear at May 30, 2013 03:24 PM (mCvL4)

 

 

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So far the winds aren't there to trip the trigger.  Wall clouds spin up, and then fall apart.  Still.......

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 10:31 AM (UTrUJ)

730 Also, Romney could say, well we learned lessons from Romneycare. Lessons that you ignored in your haste to sign a bill you hadn't read.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 03:24 PM (QxSug)

 

Romney defended his healthcare plan many times but was shouted down and bashed by the same people who say he couldn't bring it up against Obama.  It was a self fufilling prophecy. 

 

On another  note  about  defending against attacks and responding to lies.   I'm sure the 25 states Romney won and the 25 states Romney lost pretty much received the same news, TV Channels and AP reports.    Why was one state able to see it one way and the other a different way?   The problem is with the electorate and the fraud. 

Posted by: polynikes at May 30, 2013 10:31 AM (m2CN7)

731 > Ha! Really? Kinda dumb. This limitation is on Sprint and Verizon. ATT doesn't have the issue. Has to do with differing technology and the fact that the iPhone only has 2 antennas or somethin. But yeah, true.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 30, 2013 10:31 AM (ZWvOb)

732 >>>I fucking dare you to show me where I said you were "chicken" or not a "true con". Or perhaps where I've ever said that to you. I don't happen to agree with you on this, but I've never said that bullshit. BtW, no you didn't say that, but you endorsed GMMan's post #542, which he subsequently clarified as meaning that I'm a pansy who shirks a fight. Now, maybe you didn't catch what he was implying earlier, but I did. And he subsequently confirmed that yes, that was exactly what he meant. If you didn't mean to endorse that, fine, sorry to say you did. But you have to understand the context. GMMan most definitely was saying that (as he subsequently made explicit, for those missing the implicit message), and you agreed.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:32 AM (LCRYB)

733 >>> Which is to say, I could be persuaded if there were examples of us winning voters by being the good guys all the time. I think it's important to APPEAR to be the good guys. some attacks are just, to me, so transparent that they don't allow that appearance.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:33 AM (LCRYB)

734 of course not. Voter fraud is an embarrassing issue and harping on it will only drive moderates from the GOP to the democrats. I mean, except for when it did happen. But those occurrences simply mean we should stop looking.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:34 AM (QxSug)

735 I tend to think we'd do better to lie and say we don't hate him.

Yeah I said it, lie.



We're up against a massive amount of people who not only believe the lies of the enemy, they have internalized them.

Far be it for me to encourage "bearing false witness", but they are in a completely different plane of existence, and to have any chance of getting them back, we have to go into that plane to get them.

One of the most powerful arguments you can make is "do you honestly think I would believe that if I thought it would hurt people?"  The problem is, you have to be in a pretty damn solid and trusted position to use that, and you just aren't going to get in that position until you play the game.

It's distasteful, but it's true.  To win, we'll need to pretend to be who we're not until we've established ourselves and we don't need to pretend anymore.

In other words, exactly what the Communists have done in the United States.

Posted by: grognard at May 30, 2013 10:34 AM (/29Nl)

736 If you want to employ leftist low-blow tactics, why not try their "zerg comment sections of popular websites and talk about Romney wanting to ban tampons" strategy. Because they orchestrated it and that shit worked.

Posted by: JohnE. at May 30, 2013 10:35 AM (nRTou)

737

But isn't Ace--the guy who helped take down Weiner with dick jokes--wondering out loud here whether low-brow attacks are effective?

 

That was a genuine  scandal, involving an actual officeholder. Quite different from jumping up and down desperately trying to get people worked up over lesser targets.

 

I get he's saying we should fight and fight dirty but I don't see any results to back up his "maybe fightin' dirty isn't the best tactic all the time?"

 

Fighting dirty and fighting stupid  are not the same.  If swing  voters are starting to pay attention to the Right's message on the IRS story, injecting another Right story about this crap is not  the best tactic.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:35 AM (9KqcB)

738 Royal Oil, ace is wondering if lowbrow attacks on celebrities work. Even if the country agreed, and Adam Levine were booed as Not Patriotic Enough For Television, would it really help? Weiner had a D behind his name when he put his D on twitter, but dems can easily join the booing of Adam Levine, because he's not an official democrat politician. We're comparing apples and bananas.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 30, 2013 10:36 AM (GmTxn)

739 Yeah I said it, lie. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 03:28 PM (LCRYB) I agree with you about efficacy. But we need at least TWO kinds of efficacy: 1)With the public & 2)With our own movement. The problem with using blatant lies (and other Leftist, Alinskyite tactics) is that while they work with #1, they fail miserably for conservatives with #2, as this thread clearly shows. The Left does not have this problem (cf. current media scandal protection, etc.). That's why they win with it, and that's why we can't.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at May 30, 2013 10:37 AM (Y5I9o)

740 I don't know, ace. I've said embrace the evil for a long time. Acting embarrassed about shit we believe in and know to be true isn't really making us pass the smell test. If we said "yes we loves loves loves us big business, but at least we won't be giving waivers to Mattel while driving small business owners out of existence and yup we don't like pollution either," some people may have nodded their heads. Again. it's no wonder that we're all confused. On the one hand, it's the message, on the other hand, the message doesn't matter. On the other other hand, we fucked up giving the message that didn't matter anyway. I assume the deeper thing here is what do we learn, how do we act? It's hard to say, we got gamed so bad last 2 elections, what with tea party groups being given anal exams by the IRS and Fluke controlling the narrative and not Benghazi or the economy. The soul searching continues.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:38 AM (QxSug)

741 In these cases, I just have to think the stakes are so trivial (we're going to take down Levine and Dunham?) and the tactic so crude that it discredits us and makes us look bad, and thus takes us further from the actual goal, not closer to it.

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Fair enough, but IIRC they've both been known to make pseudo-political comments either directly through their work or as a consequence of the platform that they enjoy because of their work.  They're not civilians.  Maybe this gets Levine booted (or, non-renewed) from "the Voice," and in a few years he'll be as relevant as a guy from Blind Mellon or Duncan Sheik.  Maybe taking this shot at Dunham makes Moms in flyover country scrutinize the content of her show such that less 14 year old girls get to watch it and absorb her brand of dumb knee-jerk leftism, and as a consequence less grow up with the dream to live in a walk-up in Brooklyn working as a barista. 

I don't have any easy answers, probably because there aren't any.  At least there aren't any until long after it has either worked or failed.  Maybe we win three and two think it is dumb and are less likely to vote for team R but it isn't entirely disposative. 

I think EOJ's and other's suspicions of you and the right side's intellectual/writer class is that you don't want to have to defend these faux outrages at parties with the right sorts of people.  And I don't necessarily mean the caviar and champagne set - there are all sorts of in-groups where the expectation is that everyone is sort of generally liberal, including the few token Republicans who are allowed to participate as long as they behave.  I don't know that this describes you and it's not fair to you to assume it does, but from reading EOJ's comments for quite some time I think that is at least the suspicion, probably due to your interest in cultural things which are a sort of badge of frivolity and novelty that have come to be associated with leftists (i.e., Scifi, fantasy).  In candor, I'm into big game fishing which is no less frivolous but sort of carries the opposite political connotations, though I suppose there could be liberals whose dream vacation is to spend five days looking out of the ass end of a boat making big loops at eight knots.

Admittedly, EOJ et al. probably don't have to have as much occasion for that sort of awkward party experience, but it's not a reason to take the tactic off out of the arsenal if that is in fact the reason. (Once again, I'm inferring that this is his suspicion, not assigning it to you as fact).

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 10:38 AM (nnkXw)

742 see? this thread can go on all day long. Even ace has returned.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:39 AM (QxSug)

743 I tend to think we'd do better to lie and say we don't hate him.

Yeah I said it, lie.


Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 03:28 PM (LCRYB)

 

 

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There's reality and then reality.  Again I ask  why we constantly have to contain our ideas in  the the box  of political correctness that the left has built  ONLY for us.  If we persist  in  accepting  that they can say  anything they wish while we have to curb our tone, then  we'll never convince anyone that we're the stronger dog.

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 10:40 AM (UTrUJ)

744

We have proven that Adam Levine and Lena Dunham are vapid self-centered people.

 

General Francisco Franco remains dead.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 30, 2013 10:40 AM (hLRSq)

745 because I tend to think we're being bamboozled. We lost because of some major structural fuckups and changes, and the democrats love to tell us we lost because of what we believe. you can't say that mitt ran a firebreathing rah rah campaign when he got a lot of independent endorsements. so you can't say that white fuckers didn't vote for him because they were scared that someone somewhere was going to church or to a nascar event.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:41 AM (QxSug)

746 I am questioning the value of doing so in specific cases -- not because I want to be faaaaair You Guys to them, but because I think that in many cases it actually backfires and makes us look crude and low, which then becomes the reason for the Upper Income White Suburban Voters to vote against us (despite our being objectively right about the substance of policy under debate). Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 02:36 PM (LCRYB) I agree this is such a case, because the outcome is inconsequential and the offense was mild. Why doesn't it make them look crude and low? Either the LIV doesn't recognize this form of discourse, or we're not doing it right. I think it's the latter.

Posted by: Tacky at May 30, 2013 10:41 AM (7Myr5)

747 >>>In other words, exactly what the Communists have done in the United States. what I don't get is people who say "Let's use Alinsky's tactics!" or "Let's do what the Left does!" but then, you know, don't. The left lies routinely about its actual goals. The left routinely casts itself as the fuzzy middle, not the extreme pole, of political thought. You don't hear their Public Faces often mentioning their plan to turn America into a socialist state run by a technocratic "enlightened" vanguard, do you? The left constantly lies to make it seem as if Large Decisions are really No Decisions At All, So Small Are They. We sort of do the opposite-- while the left is busy casting its revolutionary agenda as "just common sense and totally apolitical," we cast fairly common sense solutions as radical and intensely political. We should learn from them.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 10:42 AM (LCRYB)

748

Voter fraud is an embarrassing issue and harping on it will only drive moderates from the GOP to the democrats. I mean, except for when it did happen. But those occurrences simply mean we should stop looking. Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 03:34 PM (QxSug)

 

Alls I know is that in PA, our attempt to impose Voter ID energized  their  base and cost us more votes than actual fraud.  

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:42 AM (9KqcB)

749 Maybe the schism is between those who were once a Democrat/grew up with Democrats and those who don't know any decent Democrats and never have.
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As someone who grew up in Philadelphia in a family of Union Democrats, I see these two data points as opportunities to divide Democrats - the people they say they represent (the Biden character) from the people who despise the people they say they represent (the Obama character).

There is sort of an Appollonian/Dionysian divide in the Democratic party that should be irritated and exploited.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 10:42 AM (nnkXw)

750

"19 Don't criticize leftie-twats. Ok got it."

 

 

No - don't elevate them beyond what they are actually worth.  These two are barely worth mentioning except as "Typical self-centered entertainment lefties."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 30, 2013 10:43 AM (hLRSq)

751 "I think it's important to APPEAR to be the good guys. some attacks are just, to me, so transparent that they don't allow that appearance. Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 03:33 PM (LCRYB)" That's the problem though, I think, with your argument - when will the media allow the perception of us being "good guys"? Obviously they won't. So I don't really get what you're suggesting. You seem to be saying to take a more passive role (granted, mocking these two tards isn't really high politicking) in the cultural war. This has clearly not worked. You can't argue the result. The left just constantly attacks the same points over and over and over until they finally win. What some of us are saying is not simply "rah rah fight!", but that perhaps we should adopt some of the successful tactics of the left on the fronts of the war that they're fighting. (Something we have NOT done.)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 10:45 AM (NcPjb)

752
    Jesus, chew this to pieces.  Wind yourselves into knots about it.

     I'll pass, thanks.  These shits are garbage from the start, and at long last I have no problem telling them so.  Don't wish to be their friend, or associate with the left in ANY manner.

     Too nice a day to waste an eyeball on this anyway.

 
       Have a good afternoon, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 30, 2013 10:45 AM (SAMxH)

753

I find Ace's argument to be convincing, but not in the way that he thinks.

Adam Levine hates this country because:

1) He's a lefty.

2) He's a pop singer, and an occasional actor, and he's a product of that culture.

3) Most of all, he's a lefty.

So, as a lefty pop singer/sometime actor, he KNOWS that America deserves his contempt, so he needs only strike upon some chintzy proof of it to confirm what he already KNOWS.  What was the proof this time?   Two members of his team were eliminated on the Voice.

I think this was a gaffe on his part in that he revealed what he actually thinks and believes, and now regrets his accidental candor.

Posted by: Brent at May 30, 2013 10:45 AM (OJn3e)

754 Alls I know is that in PA, our attempt to impose Voter ID energized their base and cost us more votes than actual fraud. Wait a minute. A judge kicked Voter ID down the road until after the past November election. Next election, it's in full force. Yeah, it sucks that it wasn't in time, but the judges decision was kinda last minute. Every state should push for this, as soon as possible.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at May 30, 2013 10:46 AM (U2UQk)

755

As someone who grew up in Philadelphia in a family of Union Democrats,

 

That's me.

 

My theory is, we go after these people....the ones who live like Republicans but vote like Democrats.  Get just a fraction of them and we win a lot.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:47 AM (9KqcB)

756 Which is to say, I could be persuaded if there were examples of us winning voters by being the good guys all the time.

I think it's important to APPEAR to be the good guys.

some attacks are just, to me, so transparent that they don't allow that appearance.
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Agree.

Which is why I said earlier: It's cool for our political leaders to act all above it and high-minded. What's killing us is the last 9 years of our political leaders attacking and tamping down those who've no problem playing dirty. That wouldn't be so bad if the left didn't openly brag about funding, supporting and encouraging their guerrillas, saboteurs and muckrakers.


Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 10:48 AM (VjL9S)

757

Wait a minute. A judge kicked Voter ID down the road until after the past November election. Next election, it's in full force.

 

The May 21 primary was "the next election" but it wasn't enforced.  Anyway, I was talking about the poltical result: it cost us more votes than illegal votes cast.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 10:50 AM (9KqcB)

758 The left constantly lies to make it seem as if Large Decisions are really No Decisions At All, So Small Are They. ************ ummm, I would say that they do the whole Liberal Trojan Horse Switcheroo. Obama ran to the right of McCain on certain things like cutting the deficit, bombing the shit out of scary brown men, transparency, and generally taking advantage of the Booosh/McCain tacit surrender on the crisis of 2008. Basically, promising to govern smarter, better because we all know democrats are smart, better. Then, whooops, he went full retard on socialized medicine and stimulus (i.e., union payoff) spending. gosh. And you may recall the "100,000 teachers and getting the rich to pay some taxes" jobs bill that he scribbled on the back of a napkin on the 10th hole, right before showing up at the first debate. What's become of that audacious promise? Oh right, gun grabbing and stuff instead.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:52 AM (QxSug)

759 I would say the "base" was energized in Pa because there were no id laws around to make sure the "base" played by the rules.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:52 AM (QxSug)

760 ace is wondering if lowbrow attacks on celebrities work.
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Yes.

Kill the soldier, wound the general.

If they supported the JEF--especially as he did openly--taking him down is a win.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 10:54 AM (VjL9S)

761 We take crap from the left all the time.  Why can't we go overboard once in a while?

Posted by: d_fitz at May 30, 2013 10:55 AM (AC4Bh)

762 well, I don't think the GOP sold anything to the rust belt persuadable union types this time around. or maybe they did. And there were just too many new Somalians and Guatemalans there to matter. I think that most blue states are just smaller examples of what happened to California. Because demographic shifting immigration is awesome. And pointing it out is only driving the moderates away from the GOP, were the GOP to point this out.* * of course, the opposite is true. I would think an open and honest "please stop" movement from the GOP would be the type of wedge issue that would get the blacks and unionistas to vote GOP, since we know how unpopular flood gate immigration is. But for some reason, it's a hate crime to admit this.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 10:57 AM (QxSug)

763

  We need to play "Pretend Story" too. Seems to me that it breaks through the LIV brainfreeze. I`ve beat on `em with facts and data to no avail. I`m now at the point of BOO did I scare you.

Posted by: Augustus McCrea (aim low boys, they lookin up at snakebelly) at May 30, 2013 10:58 AM (uOxBm)

764 >>>We take crap from the left all the time. Why can't we go overboard once in a while? I'm overstating the harm that will come from this. Still, I guess I'm talking about Fox. I'd like Fox (or any other right-leaning media outfit) to step up and become an "apolitical" opinion leader -- like the media pretends it is. It's impossible for this to happen with Hannity and other people on fox plainly playing to an obviously-very-partisan/ideological conservative wing. it's "good for ratings," i suppose, if your goal is simply to be a money-making alternative ghettoized media. But there'd be even bigger ratings if Fox were to become the nation's (including broadcast) 2nd biggest, or even biggest, news provider. If fox's goal is to beat MSNBC and CNN, fine. If it's goal is to displace ABC and NBC and CBS, it has to go about it in a different way.

Posted by: ace at May 30, 2013 11:00 AM (LCRYB)

765  I would say the "base" was energized in Pa because there were no id laws around to make sure the "base" played by the rules.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 03:52 PM (QxSug)

 

 

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Please.  Let's not talk about voter fraud.  It just makes us look like sore losers.

 

Again, it's the left that tells us what and who we can talk about.  So, to appear nice, we do it.  And if we don't, we're ostracized, harangued, and called bad names as well as not being invited to the cool parties.

 

There seems to be an idea on our side that to change the direction this country is taking we shouldn't have to make any  sacrifices.  Sorry, people.   It doesn't work that way. 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at May 30, 2013 11:01 AM (UTrUJ)

766 I'm just excited to see the words "fag" and "retarded shit" being used in the same sentence.  I didn't think it was possible.  Learn something new everyday here at HQ.

Posted by: David Duke at May 30, 2013 11:02 AM (PFg5i)

767 Well, I'm glad we got that all cleared up.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 11:07 AM (u2a4R)

768 *If it's goal is to displace ABC and NBC and CBS, it has to go about it in a different way. ** that is the problem. Fox network TV needs a nightly news cast. It is so weird how lame and unpopular network news is and yet observe how powerful it was in shaping the 2012 election.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 11:08 AM (QxSug)

769 **Please. Let's not talk about voter fraud. It just makes us look like sore losers.** I know, right? And prosecuting those who break voter laws and prosecuting those who harassed the tea party by breaking other laws will just look vindictive. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to be satisfied that justice will (I hope) be served. That's the problem with threads like this, we seem to sometimes seriously consider the bandaids that the left is selling us. "oh you lost an election due to voter fraud and massive GOTV failures, then really it's your core beliefs that are at fault. You should surrender the narrative to us." And try this, when they accuse us of being some sort of weird hybrid southerner worshipping snakes, CEO poisioning the water, you can just say it's bs and to try and deal with the real questions.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 11:12 AM (QxSug)

770 It is so weird how lame and unpopular network news is and yet observe how powerful it was in shaping the 2012 election.

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Dude, I think it is the one-two punch of the morning variety shows that dabble in news and then the nightly news.  They can construct a narrative in a way that is near impossible to refute.  The questions are raised in the morning, and then the LIVs get the idea that something has happened during the day when the nightly news tells them so.  The effect is the belief that "everyone is talking about X so it must be important" while at the same time they flood the zone and can craft the perception that one of Romney's comments damaging to his campaign is "news" for seven straight days.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 30, 2013 11:13 AM (nnkXw)

771

Please. Let's not talk about voter fraud. It just makes us look like sore losers.

 

 And also makes us lose. That too.

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 11:22 AM (9KqcB)

772

On the thread subject, I caught the Red Eye piece, and it's refreshing whenever we don't decide to hop onboard the same hysterical Crazy Train and the crazies on the left. Thumbs up, Ace!

 

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 11:30 AM (Mxt9o)

773 Re the Social Value Theory, ace. You are correct, at least up until now. I was an art student and everyone there was cool, ironic, attractive, funny. As a kid, I wanted to go there! Aspirational politics. Everybody else was like the father in Footloose. I wouldn't be caught dead voting for an R! Alt media changed that and is changing that.

As I got older, I realized their economic plan didn't work. After 9/11 I realized their foreign policy didn't either.

There is soooo much wrong about liberalism (and Obamaism) that artists and writers and humorists and filmmakers could have a field day mocking it. So do it, like this smart military blog does! Romney could have won if he critiqued liberalism itself and not Teh One. Scandalmania could not be a bigger gift to the right.

AoS is cool. And it's conservative. Don't get sidetracked on non-issues. It smells desperate.

soothsayer, this is a long game. Wait a few years. After the Great Depression II.

Posted by: PJ at May 30, 2013 11:36 AM (ZWaLo)

774 In Philly, they didn't just "not enforce" voter ID, they physically removed Republican poll watchers from certain polling places. One GOP state rep complained, he was drowned out in "racism" catcalls, and the issue was buried. Everything reset, next election, the Dems will be bleating that "no voter fraud ever happened so voter ID is racist". Again. Rinse and repeat. It's not sore losing, it''s just losing.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at May 30, 2013 11:38 AM (YmPwQ)

775

On the voter fraud thing, it's kind of like the Hitler thing. It's easy to throw superlatives, and so people do, and so when you do it becomes a good indication that you don't have an argument. It's "crying wolf".

 

The problem is, what do you THEN do, when a REAL wolf comes along? Obama for example, DOES share some significant common traits with Hitler. And so the "crying wolf" stuff has left us disarmed from crying out a warning when there is an actual wolf to be concerned about.

 

Voter fraud? When the Left says "it doesn't exist" (based on a lack of near-impossible prosecutions), that's an absurd claim on it's face. It was hilarious when, after my libtard brother asserted that very claim, that about a week later a Democrat IN HIS OWN AREA was caught on tape explaining exactly how it's done! The fact that "True the Vote" came under a multi-pronged attack from the Obama administration should tell you that the consider it to be a significant tool protecting their power.

 

True to Obama's form, they don't even try to hide it! There were significant districts that were 100% Obama. We're supposed to believe that out of thousands, that not one single (black) person voted for Romney - not even by MISTAKE, not even to be a WISE-GUY! Even stranger, was seeing Megan Kelly (who I wonder about) climbing on board that Crazy Train, saying "nothing to see here!"

 

I'm not sure if voter fraud made the difference (probably at least in a state or two, but not enough to change the result), but I have to wonder whether the one-two punch of that PLUS Tea Party suppression did the trick. I also kind of wonder whether Romney's GOTV was sabotaged, but the sad thing is that it's just as easy to believe that the GOP was simply incompetent.

 

 

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 11:43 AM (Mxt9o)

776

"773 ...  There is soooo much wrong about liberalism (and Obamaism) that artists and writers and humorists and filmmakers could have a field day mocking it. ...



AoS is cool. And it's conservative. Don't get sidetracked on non-issues. It smells desperate."

 

 

Long ago in here I suggested that someone could make a fortune out of a TV series that made fun of the Obama White House. There are just so many outrageous things that have always gone on, there would be plenty of material to work with. FINALLY, somebody else see it ...

Posted by: Optimizer at May 30, 2013 11:47 AM (Mxt9o)

777 Pj as a fellow former lib, I greet you. Welcome to the HQ.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the phone at May 30, 2013 11:59 AM (74zsR)

778

I think the Levine thing has been blown out of porportion on the  Right, BUT, b/c the Left (and Levine is sadly Left) does this to *us*, I like seeing them get a taste of their own medicine.  Faux outrage works both ways.

 

I watch The Voice (even tho I'm supposed to be boycotting NBC) because I love Blake Shelton. Adam makes me laugh most of the time, too.  He was being an immature child (makes sense since all Leftists are   emotionally under developed) throwing a tantrum with his remark, but he wasn't  being unpatriotic.

 

I am actually annoyed by his remark for a whole other reason: it was a slap in the face to his remaining contestant, Amber. She is country-pop and he seemed annoyed that she was all he has left (he made his remark AFTER she was voted safe).

 

On a related note: I love Blake more than ever  this season. He seems to be really throwing it in NBC's face  that he's country and  Christian. His  singers have done "How Great Thou Art",  "Jesus Take the Wheel", and the Judds "Grandpa" (about the good ole days of praying and the lyrics totally diss  progressives, even using the word "progress"). 

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at May 30, 2013 12:57 PM (KL49F)

779 You know why people like Levine and Niki Minaj are on these shows? Because nobody is buying their damn music, so they're introducing themselves to, begging really, all the people who love God and Country and country music to please let them stay famous.

So fight smart. Vote for the country singers if you vote on these shows.

Posted by: PJ at May 30, 2013 02:54 PM (ZWaLo)

780 ah bullshit. Hit the left with everything we can because that's what they do, and frankly, it works. The right is smeared as racist, Bible-thumping, reactionary, fascist etc. The brand is so damaged we couldn't even win any Senate seats, let alone the presidency last time out. One of our weapons is the fact the left hates America, which they do. So every time we get a chance to thump that drum, I say beat it like a dead pony.

Posted by: docweasel at May 30, 2013 04:13 PM (SW8nO)

781

 Heh. It's a part of the sociopathy in our political system.

 

 Both sides try to use every little thing the other says or does as a reason to prove that their opponents aren't really human beings in any sense, shape or form. Once you've done that, anything you do to them can be justified.

 

 Which means that until and unless our behvaior as Americans (and as human beings) changes? We're in for a very dark ride.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at May 31, 2013 03:29 AM (klGLB)

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