December 31, 2004

Re-Post: RAWMUSCLGLUTES Cruisin' for 3-Ways Profile
— Ace

A pathological liar simply cannot be trusted to tell the truth about herself, even on a subject as routine as a pregnancy and infant son. I can't believe I'm asking these questions either. But in the absence of any answers, what am I supposed to do?

I know this puts me out of the mainstream of acceptable Washington opinion. But let me just remind Alex that doubting the existence of Saddam's WMDs put some people out of the mainstream of acceptable Washington opinion.

Warning: Link below is very not safe for work.

If he can't lay off children, I'm afraid I'm going to have to re-link Sullivan's Very Not Safe For Work/Explicit Gay Sex Content Infamous Bareback City Anonymous Gay Sex Cruising Ad every day until the election.

Every. Fucking. Day.

Give It. A Fucking Rest. You Fucking. Child-Hating. Vagina-Envy. Brain-Detrioriated. Bi-Polar. Borderline Personality Disorder. Steroid-Raging. Degenerate. Psychopath.

Andrew Sulivan -- a very versatile commentator.

Actually, this is the first time I've posted this. I posted something like it once for an hour before having a change of heart. But technically, this is the first time.

But not the last.

P-Shop? Can someone clean that ad up, slightly, but ad in The Atlantic's masthead and connect it up with the Atlantic? Like "I dig 3-ways, I dig black guys, I dig making defamatory remarks about 17 year old girls"?

If you can, let me know. We'll knock it around, make it presentable for publication. Make it funny-- and deadly.

The Atlantic "apologizes" for the Greenberg pictures but keeps this insane, heterophobic professional homosexual on its site day after day. Day after day.

Any apologies for Sullivan, Bennet? No?



Posted by: Ace at 08:00 PM | Comments (128)
Post contains 290 words, total size 2 kb.

1 Why did you make me click that?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at September 17, 2008 04:13 PM (ImCxY)

2 Sounds like you're feeling better. Good.

Posted by: eman at September 17, 2008 04:14 PM (TE1SV)

3 Is there any way you can put a condom over this post?  And some blinds?

Posted by: David in San Diego at September 17, 2008 04:14 PM (TPWTR)

4 Open html tag!

Why is it that Sullivan has decided a 5-month-old Down Syndrome baby is the hill he is going to die on? It's insane.

Posted by: Jim62sch at September 17, 2008 04:16 PM (ubHgw)

5 Ew.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 04:16 PM (o/KrO)

6 What did he say about her kids this time?

Good to see Ace out of the garage, regardless.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 04:17 PM (3FVXC)

7 Damn.  Why do I always follow the link?  As a homo. . . Would. Not. Hit.

Posted by: Justin at September 17, 2008 04:17 PM (iH1PP)

8 Jeez, Ace...I said 'man up' but I sure didn't have this in mind!

Posted by: billygoat at September 17, 2008 04:18 PM (vlmzk)

9 Eh...I'm not going to fall for that link...that's a mugs game...

Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative Senior citizen at September 17, 2008 04:19 PM (vjqZl)

10 I'm late to this, how do you all know that's sullivan?

Posted by: lorien1973 at September 17, 2008 04:19 PM (fE4SP)

11 Warning needs to be stronger.
Sheesh.

Posted by: lauraw at September 17, 2008 04:20 PM (DbybK)

12 Having only recently found out about this aspect of sully's life, how was it confirmed that he made that profile? I know someone who had a fake profile made about them on a seeking sex site of some sort awhile back.

Posted by: Mark at September 17, 2008 04:20 PM (/9jiG)

13 Is that profile really Andy Sullivan's old one (for real) or is it a gag?

And by gag, I don't mean 8" of... oh nevermind.

So, is it real? The profile I mean.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:21 PM (hawOV)

14 I don't know if I can take clicking on it every day to remind me what a freak he is, but I will support your daily post of this piece of crap's profile.

Posted by: mare at September 17, 2008 04:22 PM (X1fsj)

15 Thanks, Ace... in the sense that I'm going to be sick. While laughing my virgin ass off!

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:24 PM (hawOV)

16 It's real, and he owned up to it being his at one point, though as dishonest as he's become I wouldn't be surprised if he denies it now.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 04:24 PM (3FVXC)

17 I opened that link and the first thing that caught my eye was HIV+

Posted by: Pam at September 17, 2008 04:24 PM (v+bWE)

18 OK - that was proof you can't unsee anything, because that was incredibly disturbing. Uck.

Posted by: BrackoBama at September 17, 2008 04:25 PM (GEVSM)

19 I need a Natalie Portman or Megan Fox fix about now.

Posted by: eman at September 17, 2008 04:26 PM (TE1SV)

20

No objection to every day, but perhaps just a link back to this post would make the point. Plus at the top of this post a stronger health warning and a 'Read Comments before deciding whether to click on the link".

That will get the point across and cut down on the number of people who click and regret.

PS andi is one evil c*nt.

Posted by: maxxman at September 17, 2008 04:26 PM (OYeDg)

21 To me the disturbing part is the wanton promiscuity, not the gayness part. I wonder if that and the "POZ" status are related?

Nah, couldn't be.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:27 PM (hawOV)

22 You should tag it with a "Crackup Count-up" so we'll have a record of the number of days from the first post to Sully's inevitable psychological collapse.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 04:27 PM (o/KrO)

23 Boy, he's got a gut!  In fact, he sort of looks knocked up.

Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 04:28 PM (r0DWc)

24 "I need a Natalie Portman or Megan Fox fix about now."

From the front, dude, from the front... just so they're no lingering flashbacks.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:28 PM (hawOV)

25 "...so we'll have a record of the number of days from the first post to Sully's inevitable psychological collapse."

Come and gone, my friend, come and gone.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 04:29 PM (3FVXC)

26 "Boy, he's got a gut!  In fact, he sort of looks knocked up."

Holy shit, you're right.  You don't think... hey... it could be true...

My God!  Andrew Sullivan is Trig Palin's mother, and all his attacks have been a ruse to distract everyone from his shame!

Hey.  I'm just asking questions.  His medical records should clear it up quickly, so why not?

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at September 17, 2008 04:30 PM (3FVXC)

27

Blech...what a disgusting perv Andrew Sullivan is.

Deeeeesgusting. I had no idea where "power glutes" and "milky loads" came from until now.

Ugh....

 

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 17, 2008 04:31 PM (wQHd0)

28 "Not Chem Friendly." That dude's tight-assed. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Posted by: Libertine Libertarian at September 17, 2008 04:31 PM (0iXnN)

29 No Qwinn, I'm talking about the day he gets institutionalized or is found dead, naked in the snow with his dick in a frozen beagle.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 04:31 PM (o/KrO)

30

PS andi is one evil diseased c*nt

That's better.

Posted by: maxxman at September 17, 2008 04:31 PM (OYeDg)

31

Good Lord.

I guess it's not a question as to how he got AIDS.

But sure, he wants to get married and shit...sure.

Fuckin douchebag.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at September 17, 2008 04:32 PM (vFeQi)

32 Just checked The Gay Gossip Site & Anti-Semitic Newsletter. My what a pathological shit.  He's fucking obsesses with her children. The secret service are going to have to keep tabs on him. It wouldn't surprise me if he goes off his rocker and does something. If he got told to knock it off before, not sure why he is getting away with it now.

Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 04:33 PM (r0DWc)

33 Sorry, can't be Sullivan. Dude says his name is "Joe." And Sulli has principles. He doesn't lie. He's out and proud.

Posted by: notropis at September 17, 2008 04:34 PM (0iXnN)

34

If that is really her ad, then she lied about her age.

This is the other thing that caught my eye: turn ons: black men. I never would have guessed.

Posted by: The Pancake at September 17, 2008 04:34 PM (T0BOJ)

35

Way to punish the man - making sure his personal ad gets more views than Drudge.

Your Habitrail or mine?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 17, 2008 04:34 PM (4ZOxD)

36 His mother must be so proud....

Posted by: Bugler at September 17, 2008 04:35 PM (YCVBL)

37 Ace, how do you know it's him?

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 17, 2008 04:36 PM (wQHd0)

38 "how many combined abortions the Obama daughters will have by age 18?" Just suggest it to InTrade, then walk away from it.

Posted by: notropis at September 17, 2008 04:37 PM (0iXnN)

39 That really is Sullivan's ad. He's publicaly admitted it.

Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 04:37 PM (r0DWc)

40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_dementia_complex

Posted by: RedFox84 at September 17, 2008 04:38 PM (vs8h/)

41 I won't go to Sullivan's site. What is he obsessing on now?

Posted by: mare at September 17, 2008 04:38 PM (X1fsj)

42

Question: Should I put up a poll asking -- given the values the Obamas and their spiritual mentor Jeremy Wright have taught -- how many combined abortions the Obama daughters will have by age 18?

Is this an ugly question? Over the line?

Naw, let's just have a betting pool for the date Andrew Sullivan dies of AIDS.

Gawd, he's creepy, going after her kids like that.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 17, 2008 04:38 PM (kP7wk)

43 I won't go to Sullivan's site. What is he obsessing on now?

What else? Sarah Palin's kids.

Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 04:40 PM (r0DWc)

44 "He picked up a lot of guys with this ad and some squealed." Like pigs?

Posted by: Bugler at September 17, 2008 04:41 PM (YCVBL)

45 How old are the obama girls? I admit the little one looks sort of slutty.

Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 04:41 PM (r0DWc)

46 Yes, but what exactly is he saying. (Is it wrong to even bring it up here and that's why Ace wasn't specific?)

Posted by: mare at September 17, 2008 04:42 PM (X1fsj)

47 "How old are the obama girls? I admit the little one looks sort of slutty."

Way over the line and beneath contempt.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:44 PM (hawOV)

48 Got it.

Posted by: mare at September 17, 2008 04:44 PM (X1fsj)

49 Dementia is no excuse for attacking children.

Posted by: RedFox84 at September 17, 2008 04:45 PM (vs8h/)

50

Butt, butt... HE'S MARRIED!!!!!!

Interesting that Ace stumbled on to this. Hobo target aquisition research?

Posted by: Spartan Fan at September 17, 2008 04:46 PM (7365r)

51

According to Sullivan, Trig Palin = WMD:

A pathological liar simply cannot be trusted to tell the truth about herself, even on a subject as routine as a pregnancy and infant son. I can't believe I'm asking these questions either. But in the absence of any answers, what am I supposed to do?

I know this puts me out of the mainstream of acceptable Washington opinion. But let me just remind Alex that doubting the existence of Saddam's WMDs put some people out of the mainstream of acceptable Washington opinion.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 17, 2008 04:46 PM (uOvAE)

52 so now we know where you got the nickname RAWMUSCLGLUTES. Hilarious

Posted by: tomosexual at September 17, 2008 04:48 PM (aRRWd)

53 "If the Palins' kids are game, so are the Obama's.  OPEN FUCKING SEASON."

Screw you, Ace. That's totally fucked up.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:49 PM (hawOV)

54 oh and i see where his 8% body fat or whatever is located in his massive chin. gooble gooble motherfucker.

Posted by: tomosexual at September 17, 2008 04:50 PM (aRRWd)

55 Seriously, AIDS-induced dementia is no excuse for attacking children.  But even if it was, we wouldn't have it, so let's not travel down the well-worn path of Sullivan's ass.

Posted by: RedFox84 at September 17, 2008 04:51 PM (vs8h/)

56  I. Hate. You. So .Much. Right .Now.
 Now I am having to feel around blindly for a spoon to scoop my eyes out with...
 Oh blech blech blech......
I cannot un-see it...damn you Ace.
A pox on your house and all that.....

On a side note....HIV positive? Why ,oh why am I not surprised.

Posted by: christmasghost at September 17, 2008 04:51 PM (aUut1)

57 Ace, Maybe we should not cross that line,thats what they do. just my two cents. Tony South Haven,MI

Posted by: Tony LaVanway at September 17, 2008 04:52 PM (aHH1C)

58 Is this an ugly question? Over the line?

Yes, it is. As to why you shouldn't post the Obama girls poll, the reason is that reminding the world of what a sick perv Sullivan is, is one thing. A poll like you're talking about is quite another.

Posted by: Greg Griffith at September 17, 2008 04:53 PM (6cvPQ)

59 Of course, morality of attacking children aside, those photoshop ideas definitely need to be acted upon.

Posted by: RedFox84 at September 17, 2008 04:54 PM (vs8h/)

60 P.S. - From "Give It" to "Psychopath," though, I'm in complete agreement.

Posted by: Greg Griffith at September 17, 2008 04:54 PM (6cvPQ)

61 I have wood... and I'm voting Palin!

Is that wrong?

Posted by: dc at September 17, 2008 04:54 PM (H7r5N)

62 Let me put this in plain English.

In the unlikely situation that you or I were there and in a position to do something, I'd like to think any decent person reading this thread would move Hell and Earth to protect either of the two Obama girls if they were in danger regardless of what we may think of their father, and we would not even so much as cuss at them.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 04:56 PM (hawOV)

63

There are some things we should always be above doing, as conservatives. 

Besides, what would attacking peoples' kids get us? Nothing but the contempt and scorn we would deserve.

 

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 17, 2008 04:57 PM (wQHd0)

64 Milkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: BabaChewy at September 17, 2008 04:58 PM (UUwxQ)

65

Screw you, Ace. That's totally fucked up.

Sorry, Christoph, but the scumbuckets of the Left play no-holds-barred. Why do you insist that we have to adhere to the Maquis of Queensberry rules?

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 17, 2008 04:58 PM (kP7wk)

66 Does it seem the liberal homosexuals/bisexuals are the most extreme in their hatred, fear, and/or loathing of Palin? The reason they will say is irrelevant. It's the extreme hysterical hatred of her. Like Sullivan, Pink, Lindsay Lohan, Matt Damon, Michael Kinsley, and Rosie O'Donnell.

Rosie O'Donnell has this on her site:
I believe that the McCain/Palin ticket is one of the most dangerous choices of my lifetime, and should this country chose those candidates the fall-out may be so great, the destruction so vast in so many areas that America may never recover. But what is equally disturbing is the impact that duo would have on the rest of the world.

After claiming that Bush was the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th coming of Satan, she thinks that America might never recover from McCain/Palin? After rambling on the view about how Bush destroyed the country, there is still something here to destroy?

Posted by: liontooth at September 17, 2008 04:59 PM (n3pxb)

67 That said, I'm still in favor of an AIDS watch on Andi Sullivan. Attack the attacker of the kids, rather than drag Obama's kids into it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 17, 2008 05:00 PM (kP7wk)

68 Don't mess with the Obama kids. That's just silly and you know it.

But lets try to make the Atlantic as embarrassed as possible and lets harangue Sully so much that he commits suicide.

Cuz you know that's how he's gonna go out. Let's just try to help him along.

Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 05:01 PM (o/KrO)

69 I know this puts me out of the mainstream of acceptable Washington opinion.

Actually, out of the mainstream of 99.999% of humanity.  This deranged fucktard is at least 7 standard deviations beyond the mean. 

Hannibal Lechter is more freaking mainstream that Sullivan these days and he feeds  people their own brains while they're still alive.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 17, 2008 05:03 PM (6L459)

70 I'm surprised at reading these comments.  Don't you people know who Sullivan is?  Always know your enemy.  This stuff has been common knowledge for years: his gay sex promiscuity, his HIV+, his hate of children, his fake Catholicism, etc.  Sullivan is about as counter-cultural as you can get.  He is an enemy of everyday America through and through.

Yes, ace should directly link to this every single day.  Not by linking to this post.  By directly linking to that website.  He can warn people about it, in the same warning he used here.  Every time we talk about the election, post it.  Every. Single. Time.

People have to know how demented Sullivan is.  If he weren't a complete coward, and showed any tendencies at all towards actually "fighting" physically, he'd be in a mental institution by now. 

Posted by: Sydney Carton at September 17, 2008 05:03 PM (6N71/)

71 How old are the obama girls? I admit the little one looks sort of slutty."
Way over the line and beneath contempt.
Posted by: Cbristoph

Really? Then let me post it again just for you:  How old are the obama girls? I admit the little one looks sort of slutty.



Posted by: Boobenfloppinschtoppin at September 17, 2008 05:05 PM (r0DWc)

72 No on attacking the Obama kids.

Are we better than the left, or do we just pretend to be?

Posted by: a4g at September 17, 2008 05:05 PM (YGPTF)

73 I noticed that Sullivan is going to be on Bill Maher's show this week.  I wonder if Maher will bill him as the conservative on his panel?

Posted by: Kensington at September 17, 2008 05:06 PM (xFNQx)

74 I noticed that Sullivan is going to be on Bill Maher's show this week.
Where is a suicide bomber when you REALLY need one?

Posted by: liontooth at September 17, 2008 05:09 PM (n3pxb)

75 As a life long christian milky load, I am concerned.
I will now go cut out my eyes after clicking on that link.

Posted by: Ben at September 17, 2008 05:09 PM (GGeqy)

76 If the Palins' kids are game, so are the Obama's.  OPEN FUCKING SEASON."

No NO NO! Dragging innocent children through the muck just to get back at that perverted old bitch Andi Sullivan is wrong, wrong WRONG.

Yes, by all means, display Sullivan's perverse, disgusting "everybody come to my house and fuck me" ad. He deserves no less. But leave the kids alone!!!

Please.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 17, 2008 05:10 PM (/GQkp)

77 Alright, this site sucks. Yeah the proprietor is often witty.

But when push comes to shove, shove being in the form of insane nastiness from someone who he acknowledges is both nasty and insane, Ace calls attacks on Obama's very young children in bounds and fair game.

Most people here disagree with him and that's to their credit. Ace should get over whatever meds he's on, get well from whatever sickness he has, and come back to his senses before he tars himself as a total sick asshole.

Posted by: Cbristoph at September 17, 2008 05:10 PM (hawOV)

78

His shenanigans may drive traffic now, but ultimately it diminishes both the Atlantic and what little reputation he had left.

You know what they say about crawling in the mud with a pig.  If you believe families are truly off-limits you can't go down that road regardless of the depths to which your foes may plumb.  But I can't see that there's anything wrong with asking questions about the sources.  I'm sure he's a very bitter man, what with the cards he's drawn for himself, and takes great solace in nitpicking the happiness of people who have chosen more wisely.  The Palins seem to have a very happy, dedicated, and proud family life - something that must gnaw at the very core of a man who trolls for anonymous gay sex.

I mean, when he dies what is he going to leave behind?  Another generation to build on America's great traditions and success?  Real political reform?  A plaque or statue on anything but a bath house or hole in the wall inside some seedy disco?

Nope, just bile-soaked ramblings about the children of a politician he hated.

I'd be bitter too.  And probably angry at God.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 17, 2008 05:12 PM (4ZOxD)

79 Chill out Christoph. Ace hasn't done anything.

Posted by: Bugler at September 17, 2008 05:13 PM (YCVBL)

80 Leave Obama's cute kids out of it.  I want to know how many abortions Beau Biden has had.

Posted by: Bel Aire at September 17, 2008 05:14 PM (xU01p)

81 I'm sure he's a very bitter man, what with the cards he's drawn for himself, and takes great solace in nitpicking the happiness of people who have chosen more wisely.  The Palins seem to have a very happy, dedicated, and proud family life - something that must gnaw at the very core of a man who trolls for anonymous gay sex.

Bingo. Thread winner.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 17, 2008 05:15 PM (/GQkp)

82 Ace calls attacks on Obama's very young children in bounds and fair game.

Is he really proposing this? Or is Ace, 'the enlightened one®',attempting to teach us that by forcing us to reject this vileness, we will attain enlightment on how utterly vile Sullivan, DailyKos, and the rest are?

Posted by: liontooth at September 17, 2008 05:16 PM (n3pxb)

83 Ummm.....I'm a boy.  Now.

Posted by: Beau Biden at September 17, 2008 05:16 PM (xU01p)

84 OT: That Lynn Rothschild is kind of a MILF

Posted by: runninrebel at September 17, 2008 05:18 PM (o/KrO)

85 Why do you insist that we have to adhere to the Maquis of Queensberry rules?

Reposting that diseased old cunt's sleazy and disgusting "come over and fuck me in the butt" personal ad is scarcely Marquis of Queensbury.

But I think we can leave the kids out of it and still make the filthy bitch pay.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 17, 2008 05:19 PM (/GQkp)

86 Let's not attack Obama's children.  They are innocent. 

Let's not drive Sullivan to suicide.  He is an old, fat, unattractive, terrified man who has chosen a lifestyle where youth and beauty are all that matters.  He has his own tortures.  Rejoice in that if you are into schadenfreude.

He wants attention, and, like Michael Moore, will go to any length to get it.  Stop feeding the beast that keeps him going.  He is completely irrelevant.

Posted by: Pavel at September 17, 2008 05:22 PM (/jsnH)

87

Although I do think Obama's decision to send his children to an exclusive private school is a legitimate issue.  He's supposedly been involved in public education in Chicago as a community organizer, through the CAC, and as a state senator yet he decided Chicago's public schools weren't capable of educating his children.

What the fuck was he doing for Chicagos' public schools and why the fuck are they still so bad after 10+ years of Obama's attention that he's paying $20,000+ annually to keep his daughters as far away from public school?

Should every parent have that option?  Why do you oppose school vouchers?  Are your children better than all the other children in Chicago?  Why shouldn't every child be allowed to avoid your personal and public schools' (in many cases) failures in Chicago?

Is there any task in a community as important as educating its children?

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 17, 2008 05:22 PM (4ZOxD)

88 I am sorry to have to do this but somebody must.

Please consider the possibility that your are as deranged as (or more deranged than) about Sullivan as Sullivan is about Palin.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at September 17, 2008 05:22 PM (OmeRL)

89

46 "He picked up a lot of guys with this ad and some squealed."

Like pigs?

Haw-haw; now yore makin me hawt!

Posted by: Slackjawed Yokel at September 17, 2008 05:22 PM (vlmzk)

90

Thanks Ace. Against my better judgement I clinked the link and it loaded just as the wife walked into the room.

Awkward doesn't begin to describe the start of that conversation. At least she reads this site enough to now believe Nixon is not, in fact, fixing to hop out of the closet on her.

 

 

Posted by: DIck Nixon at September 17, 2008 05:24 PM (9oN4M)

91 But let me just remind Alex

Dude, leave me out of this. 

Going after Obama's children is out of bounds.  We are above that.  I do get the point that Ace is making, I do.  But I really don't want Sullivan, of all people, to drag us down to that level.

Yes, posting the ad on a daily basis is totally fair game.  Sullivan is, purportedly, an adult.  He deserves this scorn.  But children are out of bounds or should be in a decent society.  This election is dragging discourse to depths I never thought possible.  At some point we have to stand athwart screaming stop.


Posted by: alexthechick at September 17, 2008 05:25 PM (yUzb2)

92 Here's Sullivan sporting some sort of advanced semen delivery device.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 17, 2008 05:26 PM (uOvAE)

93 ace isn't derranged, and he's not going to do anything about Obama's kids.  Ace is mad and I completely understand where he's coming from.  He's venting.  The enemy is Obama and Sullivan.  But Obama's kids don't have to be involved, and they won't be.  So anyone thinking that ace has crossed the line is just wrong about it.

Look, the first reaction is to fight fire with fire.  Any red blooded American man understands that.  And if necessary, in a total war, it will come to that.  But until Obama starts using the law to crack down on bloggers, it hasn't come to that yet.  Right now, we can fight back by going after Sullivan.

Sullivan has to pay and the answer is to publish his insane ad throughout the world, to show people how demented he is.  The idea about photoshopping the ad is a great start.

Posted by: Sydney Carton at September 17, 2008 05:28 PM (6N71/)

94 Christoph, I don't know how long you've been reading this site but there is about a 0% chance that Ace is actually going to take any shots at Obama's kids.

Posted by: Hit the easy targets hardest at September 17, 2008 05:28 PM (8/0ME)

95

But of course. Asking questions about Saddam's WMD program is analogous to our heroic Andrew Sullivan asking questions (remember, he's just asking questions) about a fucking 4-month old baby.

No, a thousand nos: Leave Obama's kids out of this. If it's wrong to attack a candidate's children, it's simply wrong period. No matter who's children.

Do you think that the left will stop this if we respond? For what good?

The best revenge against Sullivan is to totally reject him. And what he does.

 

 

Posted by: EricH at September 17, 2008 05:29 PM (PmSoD)

96 Please consider the possibility that your are as deranged as (or more deranged than) about Sullivan as Sullivan is about Palin.

No, it's called accountability.  Sullivan is the one posting about this.  Sullivan is the one who is so far across the line of decency that he can't see it from where he is.  Consequences must be had for that.  There is nothing deranged about being infuriated about such insanity.  Ace is posting to actual, admitted, documented facts.  Sullivan is insane about Palin's children.  There is an enormous difference. 

Posted by: alexthechick at September 17, 2008 05:29 PM (yUzb2)

97

Keep it up.

Posted by: Ralph at September 17, 2008 05:29 PM (QZjCr)

98

I shouldn't even have to say this:  No on the kids.  A thousand times no.  No fucking way.  Sullivan's the problem, the cowering shemale oversight at the Atlantic is the problem--not the Obama kids.  Family life is the one thing I unreservedly admire about Barry O, actually.

Focus.  Sullivan and the Atlantic.

Don't become what you (rightfully) hate.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at September 17, 2008 05:31 PM (RtiIQ)

99 Ah--I see the update--good call, Ace.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at September 17, 2008 05:31 PM (RtiIQ)

100 I'm a licensed civil engineer. I've seen several Sullivan-like offspring. They're call turds. I hate sewer work

Posted by: Frank G at September 17, 2008 05:34 PM (P0rQD)

101 Must.....hold back......boner.....

Posted by: tomosexual at September 17, 2008 05:35 PM (aRRWd)

102 I know it freaks women out when guys get super pissed and want to kill, kill, kill like this but it's encoded in male DNA.  Fuck with our (not sexist "our" but "our" group our) women or our children and there's gonna be some bloodlust.

We chill out after awhile but frankly having a certain visceral reaction to evil committed against our own is one for the pro column not the con column.


Posted by: Hit the easy targets hardest at September 17, 2008 05:39 PM (8/0ME)

103 I don't think we should cross the line. First, because it's WRONG. Second, let the extreme on the left stand out by their own actions, rather than have it ignored because some of us acted the same way.

Posted by: Mark at September 17, 2008 05:39 PM (/9jiG)

104 Remember that Ace is under the weather and that, although NyQuil is medicine, that does not mean its alcohol content cancels out the alcohol content of Valu-Rite vodka. Conservatism and Christianity alike agree that there are some means that no end can justify. Let the New Left have its fun. The American people will pass their judgment soon enough. Regarding Excitable Andi, I can only refer you all to the fine old poem: She Is More to Be Pitied Than Censured 1898 by Wm. B. Gray At the old concert hall on the Bow'ry, 'Round a table were seated, one night, A crowd of young fellows carousing, With them life seemed cheerful and bright, At the very next table, was seated A girl who had fallen to shame, All the young fellows jeered at her weakness, 'Till they heard an old woman exclaim: CHORUS She is more to be pitied than censured, She is more to be helped than despised, She is only a lassie who ventured, On life's stormy path, ill advised. Do not scorn her with words fierce and bitter, Do not laugh at her shame and downfall, For a moment just stop and consider, That a man was the cause of it all. There's an old fashioned church round the corner, Where the neighbors all gathered one day, While the parson was preaching a sermon, O'er a soul that had just passed away. 'Twas this same wayward girl from the Bow'ry, Who a life of adventure had led, Did the clergyman jeer at her downfall? No, he asked for God's Mercy and said, ( chorus again )

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 17, 2008 05:41 PM (Za4hQ)

105

Anonymous hacked into my private e-mail account and found that I'd sent this to a friend:

>>ace always makes me cringe a little when he lets sullivan into his kitchen and starts to vent, but when he vents it's the purest expression of spleen or bile or other obscure internal organ known to the blogosphere.
 
you just have to stand back in awe and hope nothing gets on your shoes.<<

 

Posted by: Prufrock at September 17, 2008 05:41 PM (vISQb)

106 Ace,

Yup, again.

Each and every day. More of the same and worse.

My real objection to George Walker Bush is that he never really was the fascist BusHitler that he was accused of being.

Every book store, and so-called comedian, and countless articles, and news stories about how "evil" and "corrupt" he and his administration were, and yet he never really fought back.

For a being the "world's worst person since Hitler" I think he did a pretty poor job of it.

Maybe if he had Michael Moore arrested, tortured, executed, along with most of Hollywood, the NYTimes, Time, Newsweek, WaPo, then we would be on to something.

In the end, Bush just didn't have the heart to fight. I don't know why but he didn't.

I get it Ace. You're fed up. You're enraged. I get it.

Me too, then.

Posted by: MeTooThen at September 17, 2008 05:42 PM (O0Kyl)

107 I clicked.. and threw up in my mouth..

Posted by: The Other Dave C at September 17, 2008 05:47 PM (9g9g8)

108 I've linked to it at least a couple times before, but it needs repeating: In 2005, Andrew Sullivan publicly declared in a national gay publication that: HIV transformed my life, made me a better and braver writer, prompted me to write the first big book pushing marriage rights, got me to take better care of my health, improved my sex life, and deepened my spirituality. As if complacency about HIV and the exploding new popularity of "bareback anal" weren't already enough of a problem in current gay culture, he repeats the "HIV makes sex better!" line in the next graf: Yes, I take testosterone and human growth hormone, and I now weigh 190 pounds. I discovered a couple of abs in my midsection the other day. I’ll try to disguise them. Do they sell burkas online? I’ve even enjoyed sex more since I became positive—more depth, more intimacy, more appreciation of life itself. Sorry. Still later, he apparently forgets that he mentioned the testosterone and HGH therapy, because he claims: Five pills once a day. No side effects to speak of. But why are testosterone and HGH prescribed to some HIV patients? Answer: to help counteract side-effects of the anti-HIV drugs. So what he should've written is "no side effects to speak of from the five-pill antiviral regimen, if you don't count the side effects that OTHER DRUGS are helping to keep in check." And finally: he bottom line is that HIV is fast becoming another diabetes. A few years ago, I lost my favorite aunt to pancreatic cancer -- a complication of the diabetes that she'd had since adolescence. Needless to say, I think he's 180 lbs. of pig shit stuffed into an inflatable male love doll.

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 05:52 PM (soVlK)

109 > I am, however, going down a different road, 'raising questions' about Barack and Michelle Obama's combined number of abortions. Commendably adaptive. As the recently-popular saying goes: Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act. Or is it Orient, then Observe? Oh, and isn't "Orient" considered racist nowadays? Maybe it should be Observe, Asia, Decide, and Act.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 17, 2008 05:54 PM (Za4hQ)

110

"Warning: Link below is very not safe for work."

*sob*  i'll never doubt you again.  i'll be hiding under my bed if anyone needs me.

Posted by: Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg at September 17, 2008 05:58 PM (ysCm3)

111 The only thing about this post that's disappointing is that I know at least some of the top 100 righty blogs/sites won't link to it.  Daily.

They should, you know.  I'd say 5 days of everyone spreading this & his true legacy would be cemented.

Don't.
Let.
Up.

Posted by: RW at September 17, 2008 06:00 PM (IirzJ)

112 Oh, and some high-profile homo commenters, to their credit, tore Andi a new mangina for this -- most notably the leftwing Michelangelo Signorile, in one of those once-in-a-blue-moon cases where I actually agreed with him. For some reason, Signorile's response does not seem to be currently available on his own site, but here it is in its full venom on (sorry) AmericaBlog. Quoth Michelangelo: I just read your latest column ... in which you ... extol the virtues of having HIV and the wonders of being positive. I must say: Very effective. It was enough to make any young gay man declare, “I gotta go get some of that hot poz seed!” [...] Now honestly, Andrew, what is the purpose of this column - beyond you masturbating on your testosterone-fueled self? ... [This] is an angry rant in which you’re speaking not to positives but to negatives, about whom you have enormous contempt for what seems like one simple reason: They are still negative.

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 06:02 PM (soVlK)

113 Yo, Throbert.  Glad you resurfaced.  Wanted to give mad props for your courage in the Scott Thomas thing.  Hope you landed well.

Posted by: Prufrock at September 17, 2008 06:16 PM (vISQb)

114

Boy, are we full of concern trolls about Obama's kids??? I seem to recall both of them up there on that fake Greek temple stage in front of 80,000 people.  Barack and Michelle could have waited until they were older to run for co-Presidents, but they didn't, did they? 

 

Posted by: rockmom at September 17, 2008 06:22 PM (iZqUY)

115 Ace. There will come a time,in the future,you will say to yourself."I made the right decision,im glad that i did'nt go there." Thank you, Tony South Haven,MI

Posted by: Tony LaVanway at September 17, 2008 06:25 PM (aHH1C)

116 I think Prufrock may have a little Sullivan in him. Maybe as much as 3 times a week!

Posted by: tomosexual at September 17, 2008 06:32 PM (aRRWd)

117 And here's Sullivan in a C-Span interview, circa 2006, dancing around the question of how much it's costing other people to subsidize the meds for a disease that he almost certainly caught by voluntarily taking another dude's jizz up his ass a decade after everyone already knew that Anal Jizz Injections probably account for 99% of gay AIDS transmissions. (As early as the mid '80s, it was already becoming clear that guys who were highly promiscuous cocksuckers but never got buttfucked almost never turned up with AIDS, even though they commonly had gonorrhea or syphilis localized to the mouth/throat from all that cocksucking.) Mind you, I'm not saying that insurers should not cover HIV treatment, even in the case of morons like Sullivan who had absolutely no excuse for becoming HIV+. I do think that he should have the common decency to be grateful that his decision to express his homosexuality by becoming a reckless bug-chasing faggot did not bring him to total financial ruin, thanks to other people's money, and that he ought to shout from the rooftops, "Hey, guys, don't do what I did!"

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 06:37 PM (soVlK)

118 Thanks, Prufrock. Yeah, I'm doing okay.

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 06:38 PM (soVlK)

119

Excuse me, dickwad.  "Throbert" risked and I believe lost his job in the course of outing Scott Thomas Beauchamp as the fabricator of the TNR Iraq Diaries.

It happened here.  I'm giving the guy props.

I'll care about what you think about who I fuck or whom Iwant to fuck someday around...oh, the 12th after never.  Shithead.

Posted by: Prufrock at September 17, 2008 06:42 PM (vISQb)

120 To me the disturbing part is the wanton promiscuity, not the gayness part. I wonder if that and the "POZ" status are related? Yes, there is a subculture-within-a-subculture of HIV+ gay men who actively celebrate and promote the specific high-risk sexual behaviors that got them infected. As a reminder, HIV is a not-very-contagious STD that can usually be avoided by the simple expedient of not having types of sex that make you bleed internally. Yet there are gay-owned porn distributors that make videos depicting rough anal penetration without a condom, along with "bareback gang bangs" that are entirely about some guy letting two or three dozen other guys ejaculate in his rectum. And then there's -- I kid you not -- "double fisting." If you have a strong stomach and aren't on a work computer, Google for "Treasure Island Media" or "Dick Wadd" -- two of the high-profile bareback studios that I'm aware of. (There are innumerable small studios doing the same shit.) And I don't have the smallest shred of doubt that Sullivan finds that kind of ultra-high-risk, ultra-promiscuous sex to be erotically appealing. I'd also be willing to bet that in private, if not in print, he refers to people who still insist on safer sex as "condom Nazis."

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 07:02 PM (soVlK)

121 I clicked that link, Ace. My dick thinks you have some kind of grudge against him, and I can't say I disagree. We're waiting for an apology.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 17, 2008 07:02 PM (bu0Ek)

122 What. The. Fuck. That freak gets paid to write for what was once was a respectable magazine. One wonders how far, exactly, deviancy can be downwardly defined. And some people wonder why promiscous buggerers gross people out.

Posted by: bbudd at September 17, 2008 07:11 PM (JDwxl)

123 You give me way too much credit for my very small part in that Beauchamp thing, Prufrock, but again, thanks. To this day, I feel bad about having "betrayed" Elizabeth Sheldon -- the publisher of TNR, who had no control whatsoever over the editorial content, and the person for whom I was actually working while I was there. Earlier in the summer, as the first anniversary of that whole mess was approaching, I thought about sending her flowers or maybe some sort of decorative terrarium that I'd made myself, as an apologetic gesture to her personally. (I had a homemade terrarium on my desk when I was her assistant, and she always complimented me on how attractive it was.) But I was scared that it would somehow backfire or be misinterpreted, so I didn't.

Posted by: Throbert McGee at September 17, 2008 07:21 PM (soVlK)

124

Sullivan is the original concern troll.

Claims to be Christian, check. Claims to be conservative/libertarian, check.

Frequently refers to this, then adds a BUT..

...and then parrots left-wing talking points non-stop - check. In fact s/he generates much of the left wing's talking points. So double-check.

The concern troll kids these days have Andi to thank for inventing their formula.

Their milky, milky formula.

Posted by: DJ Douche at September 17, 2008 07:21 PM (QKrrS)

125 Got to respect your honesty, Throbert. Very glad to hear you're doing OK.

The world is strange enough that there are probably plenty of Sullivans. (I know - one is plenty. But you know what I mean.) What's hard to figure is why any significant number of people would give him the time of day. Then again, I have trouble figuring that out about a more than a few people so I must be missing something.

By all means, ridicule the douche. Make him pay for taking shots at kids. Go over the line to stop the abuse if that's what it takes. But it's sobering to see at least some of us here would seriously consider hurting other kids to do this. All of us know better than that.

Posted by: VRWC Agent at September 17, 2008 07:45 PM (o2slJ)

126 Sulli disgusts me. He his doing a huge disservice to the gay community. I am a man who happens to be gay. more importantly i am a devout republican/neocon. I don't believe in gay marriage, am pro-life and tried to join the LCR but they were not conservative enough for my liking. in Sulli's article he pronounces AIDs as the new diabetes. I have heard this before in recent years by more then one AIDs activist. Well, i am HIV negative and intend to stay that way, BUT, i know many men who are not. And putting aside the wasting away like holocaust victims, chronic diareaha, countless medical procedures and weekly trips to the doctor and overnight hospital stays and a life expectancy into the mid 40's then hell yeah it's just like having diabetes. Sulli disgusts me. Don't believe this PC bullshit about HIV being a managable disorder. It is a deadly and ravaging killer! Nothing has changed. Sulli is just lucky his body is reacting well to the meds. His luck will run out.

Posted by: mark at September 17, 2008 08:05 PM (bqTyW)

127 Throbert, yeah, good to see you about.  It's great to know that all gays aren't mincing, slutty cowards who go after children (god I hate Andi), and that some have real spine.  Kudos on Beauchamp.

Ace, good call on keeping the kids out of it, the anger is understandable, but as with all things, men must control emotions, not let emotions control them.

Andi's not exactly a man, see, he's a little bitch, and that's why you can't fight him on his level.

Posted by: it's full of stars at September 17, 2008 08:18 PM (OeLz9)

128 Andrew who now?

Posted by: hhuummbbeerrtt at September 18, 2008 11:23 AM (ukuxx)

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