June 30, 2016

Rasmussen: Trump 43, Clinton 39
— Ace

Outlier, or real?

Posted by: Ace at 07:25 AM | Comments (400)
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1 Outlier, probably.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 07:25 AM (CGjum)

2 Too soon to tell?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (NOIQH)

3 Nothing is real this time around. (Lucy in the sky, with diamonds...)

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (RD7QR)

4 Iranian plot.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (fC9RO)

5 Ast

Posted by: Hillary's Taint at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (gvF92)

6 Ready for wailing and gnashing...

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (NUqwG)

7 Actually, I think we're going to see this all the way up to election day. Wild swings back and forth.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (fC9RO)

8 It's a poll. Means nothing at this point.

Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 07:26 AM (6Xbsz)

9 Tersest post ever

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:27 AM (9mTYi)

10 Outlier.

Doesn't matter anyway. It's all going to come down to Florida.

Posted by: Brisco_County at June 30, 2016 07:28 AM (cxM9c)

11 RASMUSSEN! RASMUSSEN EATING MY FAAAAAACE!

Posted by: joncelli, Having a Bad Poll Trip at June 30, 2016 07:28 AM (RD7QR)

12 mutters to selfl: "Hide the vases and paper weights."

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 30, 2016 07:28 AM (SeD0w)

13 Is it real? Who knows? None of the old rules apply this cycle.

Posted by: Duke lowell at June 30, 2016 07:28 AM (kTF2Z)

14 Maybe like Brexit, there is massive lying to pollsters by Trump followers. However you feel about Trump it would be awesome to see all the pundits predicting a Hillary sweep and then see her eat it.

Posted by: peacelovewoodstock at June 30, 2016 07:29 AM (q+fVz)

15 OMG NO! That bastard is a liberal and will throw us in the camps. Only smart Hillary will Protect

Posted by: The One Shithead who Posts In The Thread at June 30, 2016 07:29 AM (gvF92)

16 Stop Obsessing With The Polls. Not you Ace.... but everybody looking too self validate their own predilections.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 07:29 AM (8XRCm)

17 Ace, I've been meaning to ask you, did you give Daredevil season 2 a chance? It got a lot better.

Posted by: Brisco_County at June 30, 2016 07:29 AM (cxM9c)

18 I can't believe Trump is not up by 20 points by now. Perhaps the convention should exercise 'conscience' and nominate Jeb! or French.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:30 AM (NUqwG)

19 I think there's a chance that what you said happened with the Brexit thing could happen with Trump. The media keeps saying if you support Trump you're an idiot. So people generally don't "admit" to supporting him. So polling shows his support as being lower than it actually is. Maybe.

Posted by: PBJ1515 at June 30, 2016 07:30 AM (r1du+)

20 Not you Ace.... but everybody looking too self validate their own predilections. Posted by: fixerupper -------------- 60% agree with you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:30 AM (9mTYi)

21 Real outlier

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2016 07:30 AM (jsWA8)

22 and then see her eat it. Posted by: peacelovewoodstock at June 30, 2016 12:29 PM (q+fVz) Dude.

Posted by: joncelli, Having a Bad Poll Trip at June 30, 2016 07:30 AM (RD7QR)

23 Hey Sweetie, I've got a poll I'd like you to take a look at.

Posted by: Bill Clinton, when Hillary's not around at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (57K5j)

24 Rasmussen outlier. Now it's Hillary's turn to say the polls are rigged.

Posted by: Hank at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (/vqyz)

25 As real as any other poll, bro.

Posted by: M Magoo at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (P60eK)

26 As it's the best (for Trump and genuine Americans), it's necessarily an outlier. Since the last week of polls range from Clinton +12 to Trump +4 a lot of them *must* be bullshit, though your guess is as good as mine as to which ones.

Could be all of them.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (3Liv/)

27 Text: "Huma, the big, gnarly, strap-on is missing from the 'toy chest'. You were warned."

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (SeD0w)

28 Trump is using my strategy.

Posted by: Cool Hand Luke at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (2Y1kI)

29 It's going our way, so let's call it real.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (pC96u)

30 I can't believe Trump is not up by 20 points by now. Perhaps the convention should exercise 'conscience' and nominate Jeb! or French. ROTFLMAO!! Thanks for that.

Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 07:31 AM (6Xbsz)

31 Rasmussen probably accidentally forgot to drastically oversample democrats. That's the type of thing that can lead to an outlier poll.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 07:32 AM (kfcYC)

32 how many times in past election years was the Dem well ahead of the Repub who won on election day? Too early to say, and imagine how Hillery will react when Trump starts trashing her at the debates.

Posted by: mallfly SuPreme at June 30, 2016 07:32 AM (qSIlh)

33 All polls are push polls.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 07:32 AM (Dxa+Y)

34 Outlier, or real?

Immaterial so long as we have forces inside the party willfully undermining the candidate.

Grammy H just tried to influence an active DoJ query and no democrat cares.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 07:32 AM (SzZnW)

35 "It's going our way, so let's call it real." Who's way. a good number of people here are for Hillary either directly or indirectly.

Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 07:33 AM (6Xbsz)

36 Only poll I'm interested in, is the one Trumps beats sHillery with. Metal or Wood?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 30, 2016 07:33 AM (jsWA8)

37 I can't believe Trump is not up by 20 points by now. Perhaps the convention should exercise 'conscience' and nominate Jeb! or French. Posted by: RioBravo ------------- What is surprising is with 99% of the media, all media, hyping Hillary and denigrating Trump, that Trump should even be a contender.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:33 AM (9mTYi)

38 It may be an outlier, but it's realistic.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 07:33 AM (pC96u)

39 Wasn't Rasmussen crazy inaccurate back in '08 ?

Either way, I agree with others that say to take these polls with a grain of salt.  First of all, it's still too early and secondly, I'm not sure all the old rules apply this time.  I think alot of people are voting for Trump who won't tell a soul that they are.

I know, I know....this has all been said before.  But I think there's something to it this time.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at June 30, 2016 07:33 AM (af1YM)

40 If Brexit can happen anything can happen.

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2016 07:34 AM (MJuTN)

41 Maryanne Longbows Civil War 9mm National polls are meaningless Ginger Crossbows War of Northern Aggression .45 acp National polls are predictive Discuss

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 07:34 AM (1xUj/)

42 Two of Hillary's biggest supporters were at a half-hour planning meeting together and couldn't be reached by the pollster, leading to the skewed poll results.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 07:34 AM (kfcYC)

43

it would be awesome to see all the pundits predicting a Hillary sweep and then see her eat it.

 

 

Remember when   the dog-eating crackhead took office and all of his felchers were screaming, "na, na, hey, hey, goodbye!" at Dubya  on inauguration day?

 

My dream is of Teh  Donald  announcing that Scankles has conceded, and the entire hall breaking out in a raucous chorus of "Ding, dong!  The witch is dead!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 07:34 AM (X6fMO)

44 "Rasmussen!? F*^K You You f*^king little worm! You DID not clear this through Communications! I will be eating your balls for breakfast! Sunny. Side. Up." *hic*

Posted by: H!RC at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (SeD0w)

45 Feels like an OC & Stiggs kind of weekend coming up to me. What says the Horde?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (x/D2W)

46 They were highly biased in the 2012 presidential election with R+4

fivethiryeight did an analysis of pollsters and found out of 25 they were 4th worst

So take that with a grain of salt.  I say outlier

Posted by: JeffreyL at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (mXv3y)

47 Well that's it. This is it. Trump's doomed now. He's imploding. It's over for Trump. No way he has any chance now. He's stepped in it now. Fini Over Done Toast History.

Posted by: Jerry Guiltless at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (byC4T)

48 1. National polls are meaningless, poll the swing states to get any useful information. 2. Polls in June for an election in November are not an accurate forecast. 3. Whichever of those two dishonest New York liberals wins, the country is doomed anyway. Man, I hate this election. I don't even like Gary Johnson . . . who am I gonna vote for?

Posted by: Kevin DuBrow at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (bMcUX)

49 and then see her eat it. Posted by: peacelovewoodstock Dude. Posted by: joncelli MY EYES!!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (mf0wg)

50 Much like our past polling, and the more recent Brexit polling, polls have been shown to be less and less predictive. Nothing matters but the ballot count.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (yiTg1)

51 Only poll I'm interested in, is the one Trumps beats sHillery with. Metal or Wood?
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I'm partial to wood with metal chain

Posted by: Negan at June 30, 2016 07:35 AM (3Liv/)

52 Polls have no credibility. Quit acting as if they do.

The only poll that matters is in November. I routinely ignore polls because they are not designed to give an accurate representative sample of what people actually think, they are designed to influence how people think and act.

The sheer fact that this poll is in Trump's favor given all of the opposition he faces leads me to believe it's real. But I don't rely upon it any more than I would rely upon polls that oppose him. Why waste the time?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (EStBa)

53 RINO Ryan: We will have a gun control vote next week. Why it's almost as if he's a Democrat or something. I used to think, well the GOPe is no different than the Dems, except on guns. So much for that. There is officially no difference any more.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (0LHZx)

54 Isn't it interesting how two polls with margins of error in the 3-5% range can show a different of 16%?

Someone is wrong...badly wrong...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (X7E8f)

55 Poll dance!

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (TMgNe)

56 Discuss

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 12:34 PM (1xUj/)

 

 

You forgot, "Morticia or Lily?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (X6fMO)

57 I think before Brexit people thought it wasnt possible to dump globalism after Brexit, they do

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (zOTsN)

58 Maryanne Crossbows War of Northern Aggression .45 ACP National polls are increasingly predictive the closer you get to election day, otherwise they're for entertainment value only

Posted by: joncelli, Having a Bad Poll Trip at June 30, 2016 07:36 AM (RD7QR)

59 From the sidebar I take it that Bill Kristol was in NYC yesterday.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (A/+my)

60 That's easy! A Ginger/MaryAnne sandwich. I'm the meat!

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (SeD0w)

61 23 Hey Sweetie, I've got a poll I'd like you to take a look at. ...actually it is the presidential clock. All it needs are two hands and a face

Posted by: Billy boy for u as first dude at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (c+7Ko)

62 I wouldn't admit to voting for Trump, even to myself. I just tell everyone I could never vote for hilll (or any democrat, unless it was someone local I knew personally and liked). Talking shinola about hill is all the campaigning I'm doing this cycle; it's enough.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (qG0hz)

63 What is surprising is with 99% of the media, all media, hyping Hillary and denigrating Trump, that Trump should even be a contender. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 12:33 PM (9mTYi) ----- Whats amazing is that there are ANY right of center people alive today. The left controls primary education, secondary education, the Media, pop culture, and most of the government. Can you imagine what this country would look like if the the Press just called things impartially down the middle and didnt carry water for the progressives?? Liberalism would be a back water political farce with fewer followers than the Libertarians.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (8XRCm)

64 Ace, please stop posting and looking at polls. They are notoriously bad (and wrong), and getting worse. Need proof? -Brexit -Romney That's enough evidence for me. Only one poll matters, and that's in November. Stay calm and don't worry about polls.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (ND7OQ)

65
Outlier, or real?



"Short answer, 'yes' with an 'if'; long answer, 'no' with a 'but' ".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (kdS6q)

66 I used to think, well the GOPe is no different than the Dems, except on guns. So much for that. There is officially no difference any more.
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Whether its bribery, black mail, or something else, virtually every Republicans eventually becomes a liberal. It is fascinating in a macabre way - like watching The Thing or Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (X7E8f)

67 Too terse; did not read.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (A/+my)

68 WOO-WOO!! WOO-WOO!! WOO-WOO!! WOO-WOO!! WOO-WOO!! WOO-WOO!!

Posted by: Trump Train - Now with Golden Poles of Classy Luxuriousness at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (10hEu)

69 The polls that don't have +12 Democrats have been ranging from -4 to -2 Trump for a while. This is an outlier but it's not completely crazy. BTW, Ace, if your eyes are feeling better you have a nice surprise waiting for you when you go back and take a look at yesterday's Quinnipiac poll.

Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at June 30, 2016 07:37 AM (1BdMd)

70 Can you imagine what this country would look like if the the Press just called things impartially down the middle and didnt carry water for the progressives??
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The analysis I've seen suggests that American politics would basically be where Texan politics is right now.


Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (X7E8f)

71 My dream is of Teh Donald announcing that Scankles has conceded, and the entire hall breaking out in a raucous chorus of "Ding, dong! The witch is dead!" Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 12:34 PM (X6fMO) ---------------------- From your keyboard to God's ears.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (805dc)

72 Well, Hillary! has been talking a lot.

Posted by: wth at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (HgMAr)

73 "Morticia or Lily?" Elvira, no contest

Posted by: Jerry Guiltless at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (byC4T)

74 Ignore this poll. Polls are everywhere. I wake up with a new pole in me every morning.

Posted by: Paul Ryan's Butt at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (10hEu)

75 They'll just find more misplaced boxes of uncounted ballots when the time comes.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2016 07:38 AM (/CXhS)

76 When Billy Jeff's and Loretta's paths just happened to cross in a private jet at the Phoenix airport they discussed this poll. Along with grandkids, yoga routines and future employment opportunities.

Posted by: Hank at June 30, 2016 07:39 AM (/vqyz)

77 Hillary with a 10-point lead was an outlier. I think this is closer to the truth. One poll will show Hillary up by a few, another will show Trump...until we really start getting into the election season and the debates begin.

Trump has only just started with his policy speeches. He's given 4 so far, with more to come. I have also seen less of the crazy tweeting like during the primary.

Look, Trump supporters will not move away from Trump if he tones it down.  They are already firmly in his camp. But if he tones it down (which I think he already has), he will start gathering steam with those who were uneasy about his over-the-top primary persona.

Just wait until the convention. Trump said at one point in his life, he wanted to work in Hollywood. That is very clear from some of his recent past: the Apprentice TV show and the Miss Universe pageant. He knows how to put on a show. The RNC convention is usually a boring affair for those who aren't political. Trump is going to make it more entertaining, and it will reach a MUCH wider audience this way.

By September, those 'close' polls will start to shake out with more positivity for Trump.

Posted by: K-E at June 30, 2016 07:39 AM (NmDhP)

78
Are these the same pollsters that tell us the JEF is currently enjoying 52% approval?

Posted by: Joe Mama at June 30, 2016 07:39 AM (TMgNe)

79 seinfield line "they're real, and they're spectacular"

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:39 AM (zOTsN)

80 RINO Ryan: We will have a gun control vote next week. ----- I would like to think hes playing 10 dimensional chess and setting up the Democrats as "gun control" has historically been a loser and you just know the fucckers will overreach. But.... Paul Ryan. So .... no.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 07:39 AM (8XRCm)

81 RINO Ryan: We will have a gun control vote next week. Why it's almost as if he's a Democrat or something. I used to think, well the GOPe is no different than the Dems, except on guns. So much for that. There is officially no difference any more. Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 12:36 PM (0LHZx) ------------- If there are no votes then there is no good way to get an A+ or F rating on an issue. Votes are only bad when you lose. And for ratings alone they are good whether you win or lose.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (NUqwG)

82 I like this poll, therefore I will chose to believe it.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (KUaJL)

83 Count the stars in the top and you will have a sore neck.

Posted by: Killerdog at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (9/6PQ)

84 Even if they pass a gun control law that doesn't have due process protections, the Supreme Court will just throw it out.









/s

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (CGjum)

85 A trend I think. Polls are not only about to lose their credibility, but their profit margins as well. They have to start calling it right.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (r65B3)

86 38 Posted by: Agent Cooper at June 30, 2016 12:33 PM (af1YM)

Scott refused to believe African-Americans would have 112% turnout....

so yeah he got smoked in 08...there was a putsch that forced Rasmussen himself out by leftoids back in '11 so it is now actively donkey agitprop.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (SzZnW)

87 45 Feels like an OC & Stiggs kind of weekend coming up to me. What says the Horde? Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 12:35 PM (x/D2W) I was thinking it looks like a couple of handles of Jameson's weekend. But to each, their own.

Posted by: The One Shithead who Posts In The Thread at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (gvF92)

88 Whether its bribery, black mail, or something else, virtually every Republicans eventually becomes a liberal.
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Seems to be the case in academia, CEOs, and the clergy.

Something about worldly power corrupts people.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 07:40 AM (3Liv/)

89 Along with grandkids, yoga routines and future employment opportunities. Posted by: Hank at June 30, 2016 12:39 PM (/vqyz) --------------------- You know, a lot of these Dem bigshots claim to do yoga but I'm not seeing the results.

Posted by: bluebell at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (805dc)

90 Answer, ace: both. Just like the reality the numbers reflect. The actual situation, which is an outlier, viewed from any sane perspective.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (QDnY+)

91 *cough-cough,,cough,cough,,cough-cough* I call bullshit ... *cough-cough,,cough,cough,,cough-cough* *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (HSmrB)

92 73 "Morticia or Lily?" Elvira, no contest Since she's a natural redhead.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (mf0wg)

93 The RNC convention is usually a boring affair for those who aren't political. -------------- In the past the dyslexia family kept it interesting but they won't be there this year.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (NUqwG)

94 they key is too not get too excited or too depressed. we control only ourselves and no one knows the future. its a poll, not a vote

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:41 AM (zOTsN)

95 With fewer land lines and many more cellular phones, polling is probably inherently less accurate nowadays....

Plus, people are now much more comfortable with ignoring or blocking unknown numbers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 30, 2016 07:42 AM (Zu3d9)

96 K-E, very sober analysis. I will stop any pantshitting I normally do.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 07:42 AM (dZQh7)

97 I wouldn't jump all over it...
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We should just ...
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Put it in the poll vault.
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Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at June 30, 2016 07:42 AM (p2X2f)

98 RINO Ryan: We will have a gun control vote next week. --- Man, I remember when I was excited that he was Romney's VP pick. It's kind of like meeting somebody you used to admire and it turns out that they're a huge douche.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 07:42 AM (KUaJL)

99 Watching 'The Virgin Spring' just now. The scene where Max von Sydow, after thrashing himself with birch branches, emerges from the bath and takes the butcher's knife from the servant girl. He's wearing an apron over his clothes.... Nothing says, 'I'm going to kill you, and it's gonna be messy' quite like that.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at June 30, 2016 07:42 AM (87W5a)

100 This is probably the effects of the Orlando shootings finally sinking in, plus Brexit. A double shot of reality unmissable by anyone not committed heart and soul to the Dims. I meet a lot of people who, if they talk politics at all, go on and on and on about how horrible Trump is...yet...maybe..they kinda...sorta...possibly....maybe... *squinching crouch* ...might possibly....uh....well...vote for Trump. *more squinting crouching* When I tell them I'm voting for Trump, without all the preliminary whatevers, they loosen up and then talk about how they like him, not that he's perfect, but they think he's the best choice this cycle. I suspect there's a large number of these types out there, and we'll see wildly swinging polls depending on where it's conducted and who's doing the polling.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 30, 2016 07:43 AM (0cMkb)

101 I never talk to pollsters and I would certainly never tell someone I do not know over that phone that I am voting for Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:43 AM (zOTsN)

102 Elvira's also near naked on the cover of Tom Wait's album Small Change. Now those are real and fabulous.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 07:43 AM (CGjum)

103 Totally off topic but can we have a Game of Thrones Season 6 Roundup analysis, ace? Especially since Jon Snow's ancestry has been confirmed? Would that be so much nicer than talking about Trump all day?

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (x/D2W)

104 I would like to think hes playing 10 dimensional chess and setting up the Democrats as "gun control" has historically been a loser and you just know the fucckers will overreach.

But.... Paul Ryan.

So .... no.
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Yeah, because he'll pass something in order to have an issue in November, which will fly through the senate and be signed into law forever.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (3Liv/)

105
The Donald Trump campaign is vetting New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) as a potential running mate for the presumptive presidential nominee, according to multiple reports.

Those with knowledge of the process told The New York Times on Thursday that Christie is among those being vetted as a possible vice presidential pick for Trump. And an unnamed source told CNN the governor has received the official paperwork for the vetting process.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNT-sc1ymEM

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (kdS6q)

106 This got willowed, but I'm going to repost because it is important. It will never see the light of day in the media, though. ------------- I saw a speech that the guy who put those records into the CT database in the first place made at the National Press Club about those records being deleted. There is some significant BS going on with this one. When San Benadino happened, this guy was able to piece together ties back to a Muslim Brotherhood ongoing recruitment operation through mosques. He did the same thing with the Mateen in Orlando. And he was able to do it with public records. Bottom line is there is an underground effort being funded to build radicalism and support for Sharia within the US web of mosques, and there are people inside the administration that are actively covering it up.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (at/3h)

107 1 Outlier, probably. Posted by: Chupacabra I agree. The true numbers are probably more like Trump 52 - Clinton 38.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (jBuUi)

108 My answers to any poll question: Will you support Trump: nope Do you own a gun: nope Do you agree with Trump when he said blah blah blah: nope Do you think Islam is a religion of peace: yep Of course that would require answering the phone. Which I don't. For anyone.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (Dxa+Y)

109 >>>80 I would like to think hes playing 10 dimensional chess and setting up the Democrats as "gun control" has historically been a loser and you just know the fucckers will overreach. But.... Paul Ryan. So .... no. Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 12:39 PM (8XRCm) ___________________ In total fairness, I thought "gun control" referred to keeping the Dems "long guns" outside of me. But sadly, it seems the rest of Mr.Ryan likes the abuse. Weep for me.

Posted by: Paul Ryan's Butt at June 30, 2016 07:44 AM (10hEu)

110 What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids? That is not to imply any connection to Lynch's upcoming decision not to indict Hillary for breaches of National security and Bill & Hillary for public corruption using the Clinton Foundation. If you infer a connection that's your problem, but don't be concerned, you'll have plenty of other things to worry about.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 07:45 AM (kfcYC)

111 Too terse; did not read. Posted by: andycanuck -------- Thus a new meme is born: TT R Perhaps we class-up TL R to TV R Too Verbose, Didn't Read.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:45 AM (9mTYi)

112 So it seems to me that Ace's thinking might be something like this: Any poll that shows Trump in the lead is most likely an outlier and must be questioned for its validity. Any poll showing Hillary in the lead is absolutely correct and must be accepted as gospel that Trump is awful, and we are doomed, and I told you so. Stop me when I'm getting warm.

Posted by: Wishy Washy at June 30, 2016 07:45 AM (fu53r)

113 >>>98 It's kind of like meeting somebody you used to admire and it turns out that they're a huge douche. Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 12:42 PM (KUaJL) ___________________ HI!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU MET ME AGAIN RECENTLY!!!!!!

Posted by: Glenn Beck & Brad Thor at June 30, 2016 07:45 AM (10hEu)

114 111 Well, that didn't work out very well.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:46 AM (9mTYi)

115 I don't know which poll is right, but I suggest we all slit our wrists anyway. It's important.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 07:46 AM (v9gSJ)

116 The majority of Donks want a third term for His Assholiness. While this could be a reason to weep for your country, it's also an indication that the don'tworker bees of the Donks aren't highly motivated to put the bong down and go vote for Hillz.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 07:46 AM (Nwg0u)

117 Rasmussen: Trump 43, Clinton 39


As said before, I place little credence in polls nowadays, even ones I'd like to believe.

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 07:46 AM (oKE6c)

118 I think a lot of voters are on the "down low" and not sharing their opinions. Like the Brexit voters

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:46 AM (zOTsN)

119 Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 12:44 PM (x/D2W) Last two episodes were awesome, marred only because it shouldn't take a tactical genius to utilize a giant in a better manner than they did during the battle.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (KUaJL)

120 Ryan pitching gun control in hunter populated Wisconsin during an election year when he's facing a concerted effort to primary his squishy ass out of office.

Pure Genius.

But then again, it depends upon his district, not the whole state.

Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (XVTvT)

121
I meet a lot of people who, if they talk politics at all, go on and on and on about how horrible Trump is...yet...maybe..they kinda...sorta...possibly....maybe...
***
My take on Trump is rather similar to Churchill's take on democracy.

Trump is the worst candidate of the lot...except for all the others.

I think one thing Trump needs to do is really focus on hammering Hillary. The State Media will try to make her appealing and not only is she an outright fascist, she is a terrible, horrible person. 

If the time for representative government is over, at least support a Julius Caesar LIVs - Hillary is a low brow Nero.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (X7E8f)

122 Well, how does it compare to every other poll released by reputable organizations since the beginning of the national nightmare? There's your answer.

Posted by: Crom's Dirty Underpants at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (xudgf)

123 What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids? ------------ A contribution to The Lynch Foundation?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (9mTYi)

124 Too Verbose, Didn't Read. Too intellectual; went right over my head. Didn't understand a word of it.

Posted by: Jerry Guiltless at June 30, 2016 07:47 AM (byC4T)

125 "73 "Morticia or Lily?" Beverley Owens or Pat Priest?

Posted by: Benji Carver at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (OD2ni)

126 HAVE YOU MET ME AGAIN RECENTLY!!!!!! Posted by: Glenn Beck & Brad Thor at June 30, 2016 12:45 PM (10hEu) I said douche, not mentally ill.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (KUaJL)

127 95 With fewer land lines and many more cellular phones, polling is probably inherently less accurate nowadays....

Plus, people are now much more comfortable with ignoring or blocking unknown numbers.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 30, 2016 12:42 PM (Zu3d9)


And this is exactly what I keep asking myself when I read stories like this.  Precisely WHO the heck is answering these polling people?  I literally haven't answered a single call from a strange number since the invention of call ID.

Who is sitting on the phone with a stranger for 20 minutes during a weekday answering a bunch of questions?

I don't get it.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (af1YM)

128 In an age when the IRS is weaponized and the government want to monitor your on line activity why on earth would anybody talk to a pollster

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (zOTsN)

129 Up front, I am not a big fan of polls.

That said, Rasmussen is generally a reliable barometer who uses decent sampling.

Plus I think the polling in general for Trump is under reported. Even worse, my family has some Obama voters who are telling me they won't show up for The Hag. That's bad, as some of them are hardcore.

I think the mood is changing and while people might not be thrilled with Trump, they want someone who is not the same old Washington Insider who lies, cheats and steals their way to election, then dick punches the country when they get there.

I think that provide Trump the edge, and he's really settled down as of late so people can see his real nature.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (O0lVq)

130 I support this poll because douchetools like Hector won't pop in being douchetools with numbers like that.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 07:48 AM (v9gSJ)

131 ... too early to mean anything polls are increasingly irrelevant and very wrong even poll advocates admit polls are trash until late in the election did I miss anything? I love the big push about Nate Silver saying Hillary wins. He made like 8 previous predictions about how Trump will lose, its like astrology. Sure, it was crap the last, 8 times but he was right once about how I would eat a sandwich that day!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (39g3+)

132 115 I don't know which poll is right, but I suggest we all slit our wrists anyway. It's important. Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 12:46 PM (v9gSJ) Up the highway, friends, not across the road.

Posted by: joncelli, Having a Bad Poll Trip at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (RD7QR)

133 Seriously, it isn't good for your stress levels and blood pressure. Polls up! Polls down! Sample's good! Sample's whack! Swing state swing state swing state WAAAUUUGGGHHH! It feels like 2012 with worse hair around here...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (9krrF)

134 If there are no votes then there is no good way to get an A+ or F rating on an issue. Votes are only bad when you lose. And for ratings alone they are good whether you win or lose. Posted by: RioBravo I disagree. The MFM would love nothing better than to show rethuglicakkkkkkkans voting against gun control measures, with a backdrop of corpses. The left knows that it can't win. But it can troll for images.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (326rv)

135

Elvira, no contest

 

 

No love for Vampira?

 

Anyway, here's Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson in civvies:

 

http://goo.gl/2xy2jY

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (X6fMO)

136 Now those are real and fabulous. That's what I said to the cops in Times Square!

Posted by: billy kristol #nevertrump at June 30, 2016 07:49 AM (A/+my)

137 >>What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids?

I think ThunderB got it: pardon negotiations

Sure sounds like *Bill* is now being investigated by the FBI, too. They're getting into the foundation business, where Bill was equal partner in the pay-to-play scam.

They need to save both their a$$es at this point.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 07:50 AM (NOIQH)

138 Good try, Mike.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 07:50 AM (A/+my)

139 We've had now 3 polls that show Trump down 1, down 2, and now up 4, so I think the polls are all basically saying it's a tied ball game. Writing the race off has been premature, my biggest worry though is if Trump has the organization to get the job done. A political machine is important to actually get your support to the ballot box.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 07:50 AM (8SBq4)

140 The majority of Donks want a third term for His Assholiness. October surprise- float rumor HARD that the JEF is running for third term. Mass chaos ensues.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 07:50 AM (mf0wg)

141 Ace...please tell Ed of Hot Air Manor that something earth shaking did happen in the last two weeks that might help Trump. Hint: It happened in the UK. Seriously Morrissey actually used the argument that a lack "earth-shattering" events these last two weeks to prove this poll is bogus. It might be bogus...but I can tell it was not for a lack of big news these last two weeks. I hope he is being sarcastic, or something.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 30, 2016 07:50 AM (KhJh8)

142 64 Ace, please stop posting and looking at polls. They are notoriously bad (and wrong), and getting worse. Need proof? -Brexit -Romney That's enough evidence for me. Only one poll matters, and that's in November. Stay calm and don't worry about polls. Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone Like it or not, polls are part of what drives the narrative and can have a self-fulfilling prophecy effect. Therefore, it is quite rational to trumpet the polls you or your candidate are up in, and downplay or explain away the others. It can have an impact on voters and volunteers action or non-action.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (kfcYC)

143 As always, national polls don't matter. What does matter to me is that I am living in a battleground state in which Clinton is dumping ad money. Fuck me running.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (mf5HN)

144 Sometimes you see a post, and just know it's gonna be a banning.

You can actually feel your hair start to tingle with the coming lightening strike.

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (CGjum)

145 Poll?  Poll?  What is poll?

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (JO9+V)

146 After T.Rump rightfully hammers Hillary the MFM will join in chorus, telling everyone what a big bully he is.

Posted by: Hank at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (/vqyz)

147 The entire polling industry is utterly discredited int he wake of the Brexit vote. The final poll, which was a massive nationwide in-person poll, taken the day before the vote, had "Remain" leading by TEN POINTS, 55%-45%. And then 18 hours later, it lost by four points. That's a 14-point error. An error that large means the poll is essentially meaningless. How could they get it so wrong? All sorts of reason, which pundits have already analyzed to death. But my theory is this: -- Polling companies are staffed at the bottom level -- the level of the people actually knocking on doors or making the calls -- by people in their early 20s, because it is basically a minimum wage job, for people just entering the job market. -- Young people generally lean much further left than the rest of society. -- They also pretty unskilled at hiding their feelings. -- Most people know that young people are brainwashed lefties who tut tut their disapproval at anyone who violated the leftist Hive Mind. -- So when a young person knocks on your door or calls you and asks you a specific question about a hot-button left/right issue, you are going to hesitate to tell them the truth that you prefer the right side. -- End result: poll skewed.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (jBuUi)

148
I disagree. The MFM would love nothing better than to show rethuglicakkkkkkkans voting against gun control measures, with a backdrop of corpses. The left knows that it can't win. But it can troll for images.
***
Speaking of which, if we had an opposition party, wouldn't they be impeaching Jeh Johnson right now over his failure to stop an ISIS attack in Orlando?

That would force the issue away from gun restrictions to the real issues...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (X7E8f)

149 Something about worldly power corrupts people. Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 12:40 PM (3Liv/) ------------------- Truer word etc. The Founders knew it.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (pC96u)

150 130 I support this poll because douchetools like Hector won't pop in being douchetools with numbers like that. Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 12:48 PM (v9gSJ) If the GOP had passed immigration reform in '04 my wombat wouldn't be rabid, you stupid non-Serbian types!

Posted by: Harsh Reality Hector at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (RD7QR)

151 It's too early for any of it to be real, but this is not an outlier, most polling has Hillary up by 4-6%, and after Orlando and Brexit it makes sense it might have closed a bit. Long way to go. Haven't even had the conventions, yet.

Posted by: mhj at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (FZdvr)

152 "Man, I hate this election. I don't even like Gary Johnson . . . who am I gonna vote for?"

I will dutifully work and vote against the Democrat. As I did back in 1988 and have done every four years since then.

Keeping Hillary out. That's really all it comes down to. Focus!

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 07:51 AM (noWW6)

153 the judge is starting to dig into the foundation donations and the pay for play aspect so we will see if Obama will push her out with the promise of a pardon

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:52 AM (zOTsN)

154

It's kind of like meeting somebody you used to admire and it turns out that they're a huge douche.

 

 

You've met me before, I see.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 07:52 AM (X6fMO)

155 117 Rasmussen: Trump 43, Clinton 39 As said before, I place little credence in polls nowadays, even ones I'd like to believe. Posted by: Jay Guevara It actually hurts the effort when we talk down the polls we like.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 07:52 AM (kfcYC)

156 The poll that matters to me is the one that says I'll crawl through a mile of broken glass with two broken legs and a splinted dick to vote against the treasonous vile Hag of Benghazi.

Posted by: Taqyia2Me at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (sJuKe)

157 All polls are average joe

Posted by: X at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (nFwvY)

158 Polls up! Polls down! Sample's good! Sample's whack! Swing state swing state swing state WAAAUUUGGGHHH! Tommy Dorsey could put that to big band music.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (mf0wg)

159 Ok..... probably not fair.... but.... fuckit. "Paging Joe Hallenbeck, Chi Town Jerry, and Nevertrumpers everywhere. Please report to the front office. Joe Hallenbeck, Chi Town Jerry and Nevertrumpers everywhere to the front office please."

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (8XRCm)

160 "Man, I hate this election. I don't even like Gary Johnson . . . who am I gonna vote for?"
***
Gary Johnson is nothing more then a hard core leftist with a pot fetish.

If you can't vote for Trump find someone better then Johnson.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (X7E8f)

161 I disagree. The MFM would love nothing better than to show rethuglicakkkkkkkans voting against gun control measures, with a backdrop of corpses. The left knows that it can't win. But it can troll for images. Posted by: Blue Hen at June 30, 2016 12:49 PM (326rv) ----------- Those the MSM support have been doing that for 30 years and other than for tax rates on the rich it is the only issue they have consistently lost on in the political arena.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:53 AM (NUqwG)

162 Not worried about my honey. Call me when I get competitive.

Posted by: California, with 55 electoral votes at June 30, 2016 07:54 AM (+fNrM)

163 -- End result: poll skewed. Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 12:51 PM (jBuUi) I'd like to think that's true, but we got burned so badly back in 2012 with Romney when everybody was saying the polls are skewed that I won't let myself believe it until they're proven wrong.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 30, 2016 07:54 AM (KUaJL)

164 October surprise- float rumor HARD that the JEF is running for third term.

Mass chaos ensues.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 12:50 PM (mf0wg)


As a write-in.


Folks have already seen #President4Life floating around twitter.


They'd believe it.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 07:54 AM (3Liv/)

165 Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 12:53 PM (8XRCm) ------------ Paging not needed. Just paste.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (NUqwG)

166 Fuck me running. Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 12:51 PM (mf5HN) ----- The flood of mental images. Boggles the mind....

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (8XRCm)

167 Even though polls can be wrong, I think they are still useful. Honestly, if I didn't see the polls, I would be convinced Trump is losing by 10-20 points. So showing it's a "tied" game means our side doesn't write the election off and not participate. My fear is though that the MSM will skew the polls as the election gets close to the point where it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (8SBq4)

168 Istanbul airport bombers came to Turkey through Syria Chechens

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (zOTsN)

169 Considering the hostility if not the out and out violence directed towards anyone who is not a lefty twat, I would refuse to participate in a poll. Also, polling companies are corrupt. Why do a poll that is heavily weighted to one side? The results will not be accurate and few if any people look at the methodology. The only reason I can come up with why they do this is bc it is a business. They sell these poll results to thousands of media outlets. Give the suckers what they want! Make Mo' Money!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (iQIUe)

170 Keeping the Clinton Crime Family out of office is all that matters. Trump is the only way to do that.

Posted by: MTF at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (LISuA)

171 my theory is this: --------------------- Not a bad theory. Since so many energetic retirees seem to be heading back to low-level jobs these days to occupy themselves (cf. Wal-mart greeters, Disneyland ticket-takers, volunteers at your local theater, etc), polling firms might try dangling some easy phone work at seniors.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 07:55 AM (pC96u)

172 Fuck me running. Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 12:51 PM

*types All The Things*

*deletes All The Things*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (bzd8I)

173 I thought 50% of the Sanders supporters weren't going to vote for the Hag?!? 

Posted by: scrood at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (3b9U4)

174 Sure sounds like *Bill* is now being investigated by the FBI, too. They're getting into the foundation business, where Bill was equal partner in the pay-to-play scam.

They need to save both their a$$es at this point.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 12:50 PM
++++

Oh yeah. And Chelsea's ample a$$ too, I think.  It is a highly complex case (using multiple corps, partnerships etc. in different countries), obviously global in scope and executed by pros.  A bona fide investigation cannot  be concluded before Obama leaves office, in my estimation. 

As to the Rassmussen poll, good but whatevs.  They mean little right now.

Posted by: oddnot frets not but sighs at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (g1MTt)

175 so Chechens who fought in Syria no doubt, and then up into Turkey

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (zOTsN)

176 Fuck me running. Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair --------- Bend over and I'll drive you home! [Makes Groucho Marx eyebrow roll here]

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (A/+my)

177 *holds polls in hand, turning it over and over*  *shouts*  Polls is pee-pull!

Posted by: Zombie Charlton Heston at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (JO9+V)

178 This isn't hard to understand folks. This Rasmussen poll is of Likely Voters and so it makes some attempt to adjust for turnout. The other recent national polls from the likes of NBC and ABC were of Registered Voters -- so no adjustment for turnout -- where the pollsters went even further and put their fingers on the scale by oversampling registered Democratic voter. This was done on purpose, to generate headline ledes to show Hillary crushing Trump, and so drive Those Who Doubt Trump into hysterics, Ace included. Notably the Rasmussen poll shows a big swing to Trump from its prior poll, even while Trump was getting beat on by most of MSM and criticized for not raising a billion to make it rain for the Beltway Class. Changes over time in a repeated poll can give an accurate assessment of momentum, even if the poll has some flaws. Once again, turnout will be the key to this election and it's highly likely to be very different from 2008 and 2012, and hence hard to poll for.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (r1fLd)

179 My maverick is like a pole, sort of kinda in a way.

Posted by: John, my maverick is showing, McCain at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (9/6PQ)

180 Mass chaos ensues. Requires an unexpected, world shattering surprise event.

Posted by: Jerry Guiltless at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (byC4T)

181 Bottom line is there is an underground effort being funded to build radicalism and support for Sharia within the US web of mosques, and there are people inside the administration that are actively covering it up. encouraging and funding it. Fixed.

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 30, 2016 07:56 AM (SeD0w)

182 One more thing consistent in most polls not orchestrated by the Amazon Post...Hillary's numbers are below 45% and in some cases below 40% too. This is what a gutter fight election is supposed to look like. It was the only way this election would play out no matter who the nominee was because that is how Team Clinton rolls. People obsess on Trump's negatives, but ignore the positives: He is a great gutter fighter, and he threatens Hillary's flank in a way no Republican ever has. She is now the defender of "rich people"...not an easy task as the GOP can attest in the last two Presidential elections.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 30, 2016 07:57 AM (KhJh8)

183 I'd rather have a thread about pole dancing.

Posted by: rickl at June 30, 2016 07:57 AM (zoehZ)

184 Since we have a poll thread, a repost of my comments from earlier today... --------------- Good morning Horde! In polling news today, the Fox release their poll for the month of June. This poll is not good for Trump and shows a steep slide during the month. The results of the poll are Clinton 44% and Trump 38%. This is an 8 point shift in the poll series in the last month. In May this poll was Clinton 42 and Trump 44. Clinton's support remained about the same, but Trump dropped significantly. I does show that Trump failed to capitalize on the terrorism in Orlando. Overall the RCP average remains about the same, with Clinton leading by an average of 6.1%. RCP did not include those weird battleground polls in their state polling averages. If I were them, I wouldn't since they are an unknown firm with no track record. ------------------------ Hey, we had all that discussion of polls in the headline thread and we missed one. PPP also released a new poll today, and this one looks pretty good for Trump too. The result is Clinton 48 - Trump 44. But the last time they ran the poll the result was Clinton 47 - Trump 41. So summary of this week's polls so far: Q - from 45-41 to 42-40 - 2 point shift toward Trump Fox - from 42-45 to 44-38 - 9 point shift toward Clinton PPP - from 47-41 to 48-44 - 2 point shift toward Trump Ras - from 44-39 to 39-43 - 9 point shift toward Trump Buckle your seat belts indeed.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 07:57 AM (at/3h)

185 Lord, who knows. The polls will start settling down after the conventions. One commenter at Althouse theorized that the Republican primary isn't really over so long as #NeverTrump is still running around and I think he may have a point.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 30, 2016 07:57 AM (hLRSq)

186 De perv-socked

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (SeD0w)

187 Pipedream, I'll have a hit or 4

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (voOPb)

188 The answer to your question, Ace, is it real or not, no. It's not real. The extent to which ANY poll resembles real or not is a different question. And I do happen to think the distinction is important. I think some people are very emotionally invested in poll results, and I cannot imagine it's good for one's overall mental health.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (TOk1P)

189 ISIS foreign fighters who came up from Syria to plot their attack in Turkey that could never happen here

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (zOTsN)

190 I want to believe this poll but it's so far off the others....makes me wonder. Fox News released one last night showing The Beast +6.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (0LHZx)

191 What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids? Its pretty simple: they're setting up Lynch's future and the payments when Hillary wins. Push the investigation or indict, she has no future. She was negotiating her cut from the Clinton Foundation and where she'll be in the Hillary administration.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (39g3+)

192 Bought 3 bricks of primers yesterday, probably be stocking up from now through the election. You morons that enjoy shooting should seriously consider stocking up with components in the calibers you shoot; it's an enjoyable rainy day activity and you can save big bucks (especially if you cast your own bullets). I really believe ammunition is what they will eventually curtail, and I would not doubt they try to ban assembling your own ammo in the near future. For a number of calibers I shoot, the only component that is not replaceable is the primer. you would be surprised at the number of cartridges can use black powder, which anyone with a little chemistry sense can make in a SHTF scenario.

Posted by: JT at June 30, 2016 07:58 AM (qG0hz)

193 People obsess on Trump's negatives, but ignore the positives: He is a great gutter fighter, and he threatens Hillary's flank in a way no Republican ever has. --------------------- Can you imagine another Republican candidate with an official website called Lying Crooked Hillary?

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (NUqwG)

194

Polls up! Polls down! Sample's good! Sample's whack! Swing state swing state swing state WAAAUUUGGGHHH!



Tommy Dorsey could put that to big band music.

 

 

Misspell a few words and it could be a Cher tweet.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (X6fMO)

195 I think Trump's support was artificially depressed by the general revulsion to his "Mexican judge" comments. After people got over that, the poll reflects his steady climb. For most normal people, Trump is terrible. But with time, they realize Hillary is worse, and her evil runs deeper (as opposed to Trump who is uncouth, but ultimately endearing)

Posted by: wooga at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (AAUWU)

196 I think this election is going to break all the models. People who have not showed up in years to vote for the Republican ticket. The one giant clue is what happened in the primaries. Trump won historically, and with demographics that we have not seen in awhile.

So with that, throw out any modeling that's trying to make this look like 2008 or 2012.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (O0lVq)

197 "Whether its bribery, black mail, or something else, virtually every Republicans eventually becomes a liberal.
---
Seems to be the case in academia, CEOs, and the clergy."

Robert Conquest, who studied the leftist butchery of the Russian people, came up with three laws of politics.

One of these laws is:
"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing."

Posted by: Grad School Fool at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (swEzU)

198 >>What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids?

More likely that Bill was fishing for info while the obama toady keeps the cards to the vest to maintain options.

Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (XVTvT)

199 My fear is though that the MSM will skew the polls as the election gets close to the point where it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Posted by: Maritime Uhhh -- that's the entire purpose of producing skewed polls. To produce the feeling of inevitability. I wrote a massive essay back in 2008 debunking this. I think it has the opposite effect -- a skewed poll will make the artificially inflated side feel complacent, while the artificially depressed side will redouble their efforts. I think the practice of skewing polls backfires every time. I've never seen any proof that people "give up" when their side is shown to be behind in a close race.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 07:59 AM (jBuUi)

200 Summertime and the polls are lyin'. Catfish jumpin' and the anger is high. Oh your daddy's rich and your ma is good lookin' So hush little baby don't you cry

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 08:00 AM (Nwg0u)

201 That said, Rasmussen is generally a reliable barometer who uses decent sampling. Their final poll just before the 2012 election had Romney+1, margin of error 3; results were Obama+4.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 08:00 AM (2lndx)

202 I love the big push about Nate Silver saying Hillary wins. He made like 8 previous predictions about how Trump will lose, its like astrology. Sure, it was crap the last, 8 times but he was right once about how I would eat a sandwich that day! Posted by: Christopher Taylor **** He predicted and got 51/51 right in 2012 as to how a state would vote in the presidential election. He was 50/51 in 2008. This is why he's rather confidant.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 08:00 AM (8marX)

203 Bill insisting on meeting with her might have been an attempt on his part to force her to recuse herself

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:00 AM (zOTsN)

204 Istanbul airport bombers came to Turkey through Syria Chechens Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 12:55 PM (zOTsN) --------------------- So whom would Putin rather work with? A puppet who has no choice but to take orders from him on pain of blackmail A tough-talking guy who agrees with him on Islamic radicalism I can see the case for both.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (pC96u)

205 One commenter at Althouse theorized that the Republican primary isn't really over so long as #NeverTrump is still running around and I think he may have a point. Other way around. The "Nevertrump" types will never settle down until the convention is over. They are clinging to this moronic fantasy of Cruz somehow being selected to run instead. The GOPe would rather cut off one of their own testicles than choose Ted Cruz for anything.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (39g3+)

206 14 Maybe like Brexit, there is massive lying to pollsters by Trump followers. However you feel about Trump it would be awesome to see all the pundits predicting a Hillary sweep and then see her eat it.
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Ah, to hear on the morning of Nov. 9 that she's "gone into seclusion" (permanently).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (txdEq)

207 Outliars or outoftheirfuckingminds?

Posted by: Glass of Water at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (TatMH)

208 He predicted and got 51/51 right in 2012 as to how a state would vote in the presidential election. He was 50/51 in 2008. This is why he's rather confidant. Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 01:00 PM (8marX) he has been terrible this election season

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (zOTsN)

209 I'd like to think that's true, but we got burned so badly back in 2012 with Romney when everybody was saying the polls are skewed that I won't let myself believe it until they're proven wrong. Posted by: joe, living dangerously Less people turned out for Romney in 2012 than Bush in 2004. Just to put that in perspective, Bush SR in 1988 got millions of more votes than Reagan did in 1980. You would think a campaign could get the same level of support that the GOP nominee got 8 years ago. I think the deciding factor was Obama's political machine simply did a better job at the margins. But he still was down HEAVILY from 4 years ago.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (8SBq4)

210 Put not your faith in pollsters: who does not vote, cannot save.

Posted by: HiHo at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (CPk08)

211 My friends, you have nothing to fear from my pole like maverick.

Posted by: John, my maverick is showing, McCain at June 30, 2016 08:01 AM (9/6PQ)

212 >>Ah, to hear on the morning of Nov. 9 that she's "gone into seclusion" (permanently).


Or a stroke from the shock of losing....

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (NOIQH)

213 "The Donald Trump campaign is vetting New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) as a potential running mate for the presumptive presidential nominee, according to multiple reports."

And here I was wondering when I got up this morning whether I should go out to the garage in my bathrobe and bash myself in the forehead with a claw hammer a couple of times.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (noWW6)

214 Istanbul airport bombers came to Turkey through Syria Chechens Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 12:55 PM (zOTsN) So Presbyterians then.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (TOk1P)

215
12 mutters to selfl: "Hide the vases and paper weights."

Posted by: Billy Jeff at June 30, 2016 12:28 PM (SeD0w)

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A better solution, BJ: arrange to be in some other state, or even country, the entire month of November.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (txdEq)

216 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Opinions?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (1xUj/)

217 WZ has Trump vetting Christie for VP. We'll see how the polls do after that goat rope.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (+fNrM)

218 I dont think Putin gives a shit what we do. We are irrelevant to him amazing isn't it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:02 AM (zOTsN)

219 Every election cycle has a pollster wunderkind. Remember John Zogby? Heard of him lately?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (v9gSJ)

220 Requires an unexpected, world shattering surprise event. Posted by: Jerry Guiltless at June 30, 2016 12:56 PM (byC4T) I don't swear for an entire day?

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (mf5HN)

221 He predicted and got 51/51 right in 2012 as to how a state would vote in the presidential election. He was 50/51 in 2008. This is why he's rather confidant. Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 01:00 PM (8marX) ___ Put that's kind of misleading. I can tell you with 100% condifence how 40/51 states will vote in 2016. I can tell you with 90% confifence how 45/51. And then the last 6 it's a toss up. So yeah he got 6 of the 6, but even those 6 were pretty known...the only real toss up states in 2012 were NC and FL, the rest you could feel would go one way or the other.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (0LHZx)

222 It don't mean a thing if the state ain't a swing. Doo wah doo wah doo wah doo wah. - Duke Ellington

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (Nwg0u)

223 >>WZ has Trump vetting Christie for VP. We'll see how the polls do after that goat rope.


Ugh.
Just no.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (NOIQH)

224 two east coast big mouths (Trump/Christie) against two other east coast big mouths (Clinton/Warren) man anything can happen this year

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:03 AM (zOTsN)

225 Less people turned out for Romney in 2012 than Bush in 2004. Why do people keep repeating this myth? Voter turnout was higher in 2012 than 2004 for both parties. Same for 2008. The "people stayed home" is a lie people tell themselves so they don't have to face how much their country has left them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:04 AM (39g3+)

226 Bill insisting on meeting with her might have been an attempt on his part to force her to recuse herself
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Or blow him.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apparently nonvoting democrat at June 30, 2016 08:04 AM (3Liv/)

227 We should cancel this stooped 2016 presidential election between Hillary Clinton and that idiot Danny Trump and keeps Presdent Obama as Presdent because he has done such a grate job and the world loves our Presdent of Color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at June 30, 2016 08:04 AM (NuElX)

228 He predicted and got 51/51 right in 2012 as to how a state would vote in the presidential election. He was 50/51 in 2008. This is why he's rather confidant. Posted by: Tilikum KAW Nate Silver also said Trump had a 95% to lose the GOP nomination. In 2008 and 2012, he was largely "right" because the Obama campaign gave him their internal polls which are usually FAR more expensive and thorough than MSM polling. Millions and millions are spent on these polls and are usually kept secret. But RealClearPolitics correctly called 49 out of 50 states by simply averaging the published state polls into a single figure.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (8SBq4)

229 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Opinions? Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 01:02 PM (1xUj/) ----- Hed make a better AG or even CHief of Staff. Two perceived RINOs at the head of the ticket??? Nope. Newt or Cotton for VP to sew up the conservatives. I

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (8XRCm)

230 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Opinions? - Invest heavily in doughnuts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (Nwg0u)

231 Now Romney is pimping his wife as an alternative to Trump.
http://tinyurl.com/z4rvdtp

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (R+30W)

232 123 What are the chances that Bill Clinton paid AG Loretta Lynch $10 million for a half hour airplane speech on golf and grandkids?
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A contribution to The Lynch Foundation?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 12:47 PM (9mTYi)



"How about if my foundation contributes to your foundation?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (oKE6c)

233 He predicted and got 51/51 right in 2012 as to how a state uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, 54/54.

Posted by: Braka at June 30, 2016 08:05 AM (SeD0w)

234 Trump needs a surrogate to help him pummel Clinton. Christie was supposed to be that guy, but he's been invisible lately. I don't see him as VP. It's not like he'll bring Trump Jersey.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (O0lVq)

235 Bill insisting on meeting with her might have been an attempt on his part to force her to recuse herself Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:00 PM (zOTsN) --------------------- I heard Rush, too. Plausible. If there's sweet-talking and process-tampering to be done, Bill's the most likely pick for the job.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (pC96u)

236 Real. Not to go all Pauline Kael on you, but I only know of one person who is gonna vote for Granny. And I still believe that all polls are lying propaganda.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez_[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (gUoN4)

237 Until I see more data, I'm skeptical of the Turkish Government's story on the airport bombers. It could very well be true, but I believe little if anything that government says.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (39g3+)

238 Why do people keep repeating this myth? That particular one isn't a myth. GWB got 62,040,610 votes in 2004; Romney got 60,933,500 in 2012.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (2lndx)

239 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP.


Let's await confirmation from a more reliable source. What does Pravda say?

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (oKE6c)

240 I notice they arent talking about Juian Castro as a Clinton veep anymore which surprises me must have found something they didnt like

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:06 AM (zOTsN)

241 Why doesn't that ididiot Trump pick Presdent Obama as his running mate because Trump hates persons of color and this will continue to helps persons of color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (NuElX)

242 real

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (yrohn)

243 I will eat my hat if Warren is Hillaries VP. Too much grrrrrl pwr will likely alienate idependents. Hillary is NOT going to be sharing her Historic First limelight with any other ....... ladies.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (8XRCm)

244 My poll rises whenever I got to a cub scout meeting.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (OD2ni)

245 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Opinions? Instead of Warren? Yes.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (v9gSJ)

246 >>>CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP.

Going through the notions to placate the fat man.

Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (XVTvT)

247 216 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Opinions? Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 01:02 PM (1xUj/) Disaster. Two abrasive Northeastern windbags on one ticket. I stand by my "Nikki Haley and a bodyguard of Sikhs" solution to the VP pick.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (RD7QR)

248 Why do people keep repeating this myth? Voter turnout was higher in 2012 than 2004 for both parties. Same for 2008. The "people stayed home" is a lie people tell themselves so they don't have to face how much their country has left them. Posted by: Christopher Taylor No it wasn't. Quit lying about this. Show me the total number of people that voted for Bush in 2004 and then show me the total number that voted for Romney in 2012.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (8SBq4)

249 205 The GOPe would rather cut off one of their own testicles than choose Ted Cruz for anything. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:01 PM (39g3+) Um, how many testicles does the GOPe have between them?

Posted by: rickl at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (zoehZ)

250 Poll shows that Morons respond to the word "Poll".

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 08:07 AM (9mTYi)

251 There, it all depends upon that article whether we do the business or not. Give me enough of it and I am sure. -- Duke of Wellington pointing at a LIV.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (A/+my)

252 People would be wise to remember the old phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Sometimes we seem to be chasing our own tail, trying to figure out if it's the People's Isis Front or the Isis People's Front or this brand of Islamic terrorist or that. It doesn't matter. None of it matters. Allah wants you dead. That's what they all believe. It's time to get over trying to discern the unit patches they wear, or who they swore Earthly loyalty to.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (TOk1P)

253 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:01 PM (39g3+) I think we agree. The convention is the decisive battle, it will be a Waterloo for somebody.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (hLRSq)

254 Imagine the screams about democracy and how its all broken if Trump actually wins somehow? Suddenly the entire concept of voting will be flawed and dangerous, and they'll throw out a host of fake stats about old white people ruining everything.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (39g3+)

255 Less people turned out for Romney in 2012 than Bush in 2004. Why do people keep repeating this myth? - Yeah, if you can count them it's "fewer".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (Nwg0u)

256 >>Now Romney is pimping his wife as an alternative to Trump


Cute.
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Jerk.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (NOIQH)

257 Going through the notions to placate the fat man. Christie's not that fat.

Posted by: Billy Joel at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (2lndx)

258 If its real, Hillary will be indicted.

Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (9221z)

259 The GOPe would rather cut off one of their own testicles than choose Ted Cruz for anything. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:01 PM

Objection.  Assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at June 30, 2016 08:08 AM (bzd8I)

260 So, what's up with the Times Square Naked Guy? Is he just a typical New Yorker? Anybody see Sefton recently???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (iQIUe)

261 Trump/Christie vs Clinton/Warren A "brass balls versus sandy vagina" bonanza.

Posted by: wooga at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (AAUWU)

262 Remember John Zogby? Heard of him lately? --------------- I actually have, he is somehow embroiled in raising the stature of Muslim in the Obama administration.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (at/3h)

263 Re: The Rasmussen Poll. How many times have I read the word "bloodbath" on this site?

Posted by: Pastorius at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (lHAc1)

264 Less people turned out for Romney in 2012 than Bush in 2004. Why do people keep repeating this myth? Voter turnout was higher in 2012 than 2004 for both parties. Same for 2008. The "people stayed home" is a lie people tell themselves so they don't have to face how much their country has left them. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:04 PM (39g3+) ----- ??? Bush 2004: 61,837 (1,000) Romney 2012: 60,588 (1,000)

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (NUqwG)

265 I used to think, well the GOPe is no different than the Dems, except on guns. So much for that. There is officially no difference any more. -- One's mask has slipped. The other hasn't come off yet.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 30, 2016 08:09 AM (+FSld)

266 Plus there is the Zogby link that is permanently on the sidebar.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (at/3h)

267 I stand by my "Nikki Haley and a bodyguard of Sikhs" solution to the VP pick. ---- No. Not anymore. She's dead to me. She is well down down the path of "Paul Ryan Conservatism".

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (8XRCm)

268 I really thought my rage meter was completely, permanently pegged. That airplane meeting re-calibrated it, I just cannot believe anyone who cares a tiny bit about their country can watch this shit happen. They weren't even trying to hide it.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (SeD0w)

269 I will eat my hat if Warren is Hillaries VP. I think it's the most likely scenario. Warren has Bernie's base, heck she basically invented the OWS movement. Bernie people hate, loathe, despise, and don't very much like Hillary. Warren makes it easy for them to reconcile themselves. Two girls is a super duper historic first on a scale that's more than twice as large as a one-girl historic first.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (1xUj/)

270 Now Romney is pimping his wife as an alternative to Trump. Well, he's got the other ones to fall back on to make sammiches and do laundry.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (A/+my)

271 Yeah, if you can count them it's "fewer". That, too

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:10 AM (39g3+)

272 "254 Imagine the screams about democracy and how its all broken if Trump actually wins somehow?" It is such a happy fantasy that I can almost see myself voting for Trump just to fulfill it.

Posted by: HiHo at June 30, 2016 08:11 AM (CPk08)

273 must have found something they didnt like A rapidly receding hairline.

Posted by: wooga at June 30, 2016 08:11 AM (AAUWU)

274 Winner take all College World Series Game 3 just starting. Coastal Carolina vs. Arizona, on ESPNU and available to follow "Stattracker"-style a bunch of places.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2016 08:11 AM (2cS/G)

275 Two girls is a super duper historic first on a scale that's more than twice as large as a one-girl historic first. Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 01:10 PM (1xUj/) As every guy in a threesome will attest.

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 08:12 AM (7HtZB)

276 The "Nevertrump" types will never settle down until the convention is over. They are clinging to this moronic fantasy of Cruz somehow being selected to run instead. I am #NeverTrump and I have no such fantasy. I simply believe can't in good conscience vote for someone like Trump, and am resigned to a Hillary presidency.

Posted by: V the K at June 30, 2016 08:12 AM (O7MnT)

277 Why do people keep repeating this myth? Voter turnout was higher in 2012 than 2004 for both parties. Same for 2008. The "people stayed home" is a lie people tell themselves so they don't have to face how much their country has left them. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:04 PM (39g3+) ----- ??? Bush 2004: 61,837 (1,000) Romney 2012: 60,588 (1,000) Posted by: RioBravo ________ Paging Christopher Taylor Any answer?

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:12 AM (8SBq4)

278 Bernie people hate, loathe, despise, and don't very much like Hillary. Warren makes it easy for them to reconcile themselves. I think Warren is a likely choice, too, but this is not something Democrats have to worry about. Democrats will vote Democrat regardless of what they think of the candidate. It's their main advantage. Even having the press in their pocket is a result of the press being made up mostly of democrats, and democrats supporting even bad democrats.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 08:12 AM (2lndx)

279 It was sad to see the photos and read the backgrounds of the people murdered in Instanbul. So, is ISIS still taking credit? Read that there was a suicide attack in Afghanistan by the Taliban. Hate all these muslim shitheads.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (iQIUe)

280 Why would AG Lynch meet with Bill Clinton privately when they "accidentally" crossed paths on a tarmac in Phoenix? Now add another data point: Hillary still hasn't had her cup of coffee with FBI head Comey, which was supposed to be the last step before the FBI wrapped up its investigation. This is way overdue which suggests that Hillary is delaying it in hopes that if she gets past the Convention Comey won't have the balls to make a criminal referral. Now it'd be really stupid for Lynch to meet with Bill privately like she just did to tell him the fix was in. There are other simpler ways to send that message. Hillary doesn't need more bad optics that she's getting a pass on Obama's orders. So I conclude that Lynch was delivering a real message, the kind you can' deliver in an e-mail or even a phone call: Lynch was telling Bill that an FBI criminal referral is coming, because Comey won't wait on Hillary's having a cup of coffee with him any longer. This will hit soon, and certainly before the D's convention. Obama is scheduled to campaign with Hillary next week in NC. I want to see their body language.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (r1fLd)

281 I wants to invite everyone that loves are Presdent of Color to join us all at the Rainbow Family of Living Light for the 4th of Jully. It will be such a beautiful and loving event with everyone releasing their inner hate for the liar George U. Bush. bush lied and Americca died !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (NuElX)

282 Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (zOTsN)

283 Nothing that happens prior to October 15 is worth paying the slightest attention to. Polls up, polls down, it's all meaningless. Because in those last 2-and-a-half weeks, there will be a series of October Surprises, both real and hoax, that will keep everyone's heads spinning til election day. The numbers will seesaw wildly as each candidate is spectacularly discredited over and over 7 times per 24-hour news cycle. Where it all ends up on election day would be like predicting where the ball lands on a roulette wheel.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (jBuUi)

284 it will be a Waterloo for somebody An under-appreciated ABBA song ... pretty catchy earworm too. Sure, it's no Knowing Me and Knowing You or SOS - but a fine effort all the same.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (RKJF2)

285 I stand by my "Nikki Haley and a bodyguard of Sikhs" solution to the VP pick. -- Let's just say Nikki Haley wouldn't pee on Trump if he were on fire. She would not accept such an offer. And quite frankly, she's completely lost her luster with me. And this is coming from someone who lives in SC and had voted for and supported her strongly. I don't anymore. Nonetheless, she'd never, ever want to be Trump's VP.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (+FSld)

286 I hope she does it

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:13 AM (zOTsN)

287 Yeah, if you can count them it's "fewer". -------------- That, too Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:10 PM (39g3+) Unless we're talking about gross tonnage, in which case, yeah. Prolly was more in '12.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (TOk1P)

288 If you can't vote for Trump find someone better then Johnson. Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2016 12:53 PM (X7E8f) ______________________ Here I am!! *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (HSmrB)

289 You wd think one iman in the religion of peace would proclaim loudly that these actions result in the people involved going to hell and leaves forever a stain on Islam.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (iQIUe)

290 Obama is scheduled to campaign with Hillary next week in NC. I want to see their body language. Eeeew.....

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (O2RFr)

291 Poll shows that Morons respond to the word "Poll". As long as it's followed by "dance".

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (mf0wg)

292 Somebody forgot to take out the trash.

Posted by: Brian J. at June 30, 2016 08:14 AM (WepEx)

293 Bush 2004 - 62,040,610 McCain 2008 - 59,948,323 Romney 2012 - 60,933,500 Make of it what you will.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (at/3h)

294 Hillary will not share her ticket with Warren or any other woman.

There can be only one queen.

Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (XVTvT)

295 Can you imagine another Republican candidate with an official website called Lying Crooked Hillary? Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 12:59 PM (NUqwG) ------------------------------------------------------------- This describes his gutter fighting abilities and cannot beat the Clintons without going into that gutter. Also Republican insiders freaked out over Trump bashing trade, etc., but that is direct threat to Hillary in places like Pennsylvania. That is why Obama was going on about how "populist" he was this week. The Democrats depend on loyal, unified union voters and volunteers in places like Pennsylvania. Any significant division could turn Pennsylvania red.

Posted by: William Eaton at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (KhJh8)

296 Yeah, if you can count them it's "fewer".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 01:08 PM (Nwg0u)


My man.

"Fewer" for discrete variables, "less" for continuous ones.

Similar to "number" and "amount."

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (oKE6c)

297 So I conclude that Lynch was delivering a real message, the kind you can' deliver in an e-mail or even a phone call: Lynch was telling Bill that an FBI criminal referral is coming, because Comey won't wait on Hillary's having a cup of coffee with him any longer. This will hit soon, and certainly before the D's convention. Obama is scheduled to campaign with Hillary next week in NC. I want to see their body language. Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 01:13 PM (r1fLd) stop teasing me you scamp

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (zOTsN)

298 Of course, Lynch could've been wearing a wire in hopes of bagging two Clintons....

Posted by: scrood at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (3b9U4)

299 "I stand by my 'Nikki Haley and a bodyguard of Sikhs' solution to the VP pick."

Haley over Christie. Substituting a southeastern RINO squish for a northeastern RINO squish. I guess I better have another go at my forehead with that hammer.

And Haley has said a bunch of things about Trump that would be awfully hard to plausibly walk back.

If only my presidential campaign had gotten traction. Bodyguard of Sikhs? Impressive, but... now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational bodyguard of Gurkhas in armored exoskeletons! Size small armored exoskeletons.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 08:15 AM (noWW6)

300 Hillary will stab Obama in the back and be committed. Bidden will take over as President and will be the new nominee.

Posted by: conspiracy! at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (rnH8X)

301 Nonetheless, she'd never, ever want to be Trump's VP. Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at June 30, 2016 01:13 PM (+FSld) Mindreading is a terrible disease. She's a politician. It's a promotion. She would do it. They all would.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (TOk1P)

302 -Brexit -Romney -Bromney

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (IqV8l)

303 [Blind Gossip] This woman may be the daughter of a famous politician, but you definitely know her name as well. Her marriage with her husband may not be as solid as it appears. He cheats on her. But only when she's pregnant. =========== Ivanka or Chelsea? I say Chelsea's husband.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (iQIUe)

304 Unless we're talking about gross tonnage, Posted by: BurtTC at June 30, 2016 01:14 PM (TOk1P) Yes?

Posted by: Trigglypuff at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (7HtZB)

305 Re: The Rasmussen Poll. How many times have I read the word "bloodbath" on this site? Posted by: Pastorius ------------ Wait... is this a poll? 'Cause I'm gonna have to think about whether I'm in favor of a bloodbath, or not. *ponders Thomas Jefferson*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (9mTYi)

306 294 Hillary will not share her ticket with Warren or any other woman.
There can be only one queen.
Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 01:15 PM (XVTvT)



I suspect (but obviously don't know) you're right, and there's no love lost between them.

Two women, one kitchen, writ large.

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (oKE6c)

307 289 You wd think one iman in the religion of peace would proclaim loudly that these actions result in the people involved going to hell and leaves forever a stain on Islam. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 01:14 PM (iQIUe) Not if he values his life. The rest of the imams don't take kindly to blasphemy.

Posted by: rickl at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (zoehZ)

308 I hope she does it Pees on Trump if he's on fire???

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (A/+my)

309 In 2008 and 2012, he was largely "right" because the Obama campaign gave him their internal polls which are usually FAR more expensive and thorough than MSM polling. Millions and millions are spent on these polls and are usually kept secret. But RealClearPolitics correctly called 49 out of 50 states by simply averaging the published state polls into a single figure. Posted by: Maritime **** That explains a lot. I wasn't saying he was some genius, just pointing out why he loved himself so much.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (8marX)

310 it will be a Waterloo for somebody An under-appreciated ABBA song ... pretty catchy earworm too. Sure, it's no Knowing Me and Knowing You or SOS - but a fine effort all the same. Hey!

Posted by: Fernando at June 30, 2016 08:16 AM (1xUj/)

311 Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 08:17 AM (SeD0w)

312 IF all those renegade RINO/Establishment assholes got on board and from the get go, Trump would be ahead on all polls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 08:17 AM (zp+j1)

313 the Dems will nto win with anybody else at this point. FBI will close its investigation and DOJ has to charge, or not they will not Bill was just making sure they have a POTUS pardon set up in any event

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:17 AM (zOTsN)

314 >>Two girls is a super duper historic first on a scale that's more than twice as large as a one-girl historic first.


The Nanny Grannie ticket!!
IIRC, Warren is only a year younger than the old battleaxe Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:17 AM (NOIQH)

315 278 Bernie people hate, loathe, despise, and don't very much like Hillary. Warren makes it easy for them to reconcile themselves. I think Warren is a likely choice, too, but this is not something Democrats have to worry about. Democrats will vote Democrat regardless of what they think of the candidate. It's their main advantage. Even having the press in their pocket is a result of the press being made up mostly of democrats, and democrats supporting even bad democrats. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 01:12 PM (2lndx The bright side is that they are past that time of the month thing. Imagine both of them being on the rag at the same time? Eeh gadz. Now, they will just be on the Depends cycle.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 08:17 AM (voOPb)

316 Make of it what you will. Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 01:15 PM (at/3h) I can make a hat, a pterodactyl,...

Posted by: Johnny at June 30, 2016 08:18 AM (7HtZB)

317 I say Chelsea's husband. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 01:16 PM (iQIUe) definitely

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:18 AM (zOTsN)

318 She's a politician. It's a promotion. She would do it. They all would. Trump needs a veep so far to the right that no Democrat will assassinate him.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 08:18 AM (2lndx)

319 312 IF all those renegade RINO/Establishment assholes got on board and from the get go, Trump would be ahead on all polls Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:17 PM (zp+j1 I do believe you are correct good Dr.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 08:18 AM (voOPb)

320 270 Now Romney is pimping his wife as an alternative to Trump. Well, he's got the other ones to fall back on to make sammiches and do laundry. Posted by: andycanuck at June 30, 2016 01:10 PM (A/+my) If it's good enough for Joseph Smith....

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (RD7QR)

321 Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely Posted by: Brave Sir Robin ------------ A lot you know.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (9mTYi)

322 vanka or Chelsea? Should be Chelsea.... They didn't even live together for a while... He was off in Europe bumming around... Then people began to talk and home He came....Of course dirt on Trump is more likely...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (O2RFr)

323 Fox TalkingHeads say Tim Kaine will be HillzVP

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (IqV8l)

324 Really, is Trump worse than McCain?

Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (CGjum)

325 >>Her marriage with her husband may not be as solid as it appears.
He cheats on her. But only when she's pregnant.

Chelsea.
She and hubby were living apart not long after they got married. Started getting mention in the gossip pages. Then she got the job at the foundation, the $10 million condo, fixed up the image....

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (NOIQH)

326 Am I unique in thinking Trump will have the harder time finding a VP? I can't imagine too many Republicans want to be tied to that boat anchor.

Posted by: V the K at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (O7MnT)

327 Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely Posted by: Brave Sir Robin ------------ A lot you know. Posted by: Pajama Boy

Posted by: Pajama Boy at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (9mTYi)

328 Nikki Haley WOULD have been a good pick but she clearly decided she was going to be a NeverTrumper. Trump needs to have a minority or female on the ticket just for the optics. A VP's only purpose is to garner votes, as long as they do that, I'm fine with whoever. If Christie could deliver New Jersey, it would be a no brainer as it would be impossible for Hillary to win the White House. It would almost be like a Democrat winning Texas. but he doesn't have the same popularity there anymore.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:19 AM (8SBq4)

329 the FBI does not prosecute, it investigates. They do not make the charging decision the DOJ does

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:20 AM (zOTsN)

330 How about some Valu-Rite, Johnny?

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:20 AM (A/+my)

331 >>Fox TalkingHeads say Tim Kaine will be HillzVP


Serious idiot.
Quale and Palin are smarter than that guy.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 08:20 AM (NOIQH)

332 Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 01:13 PM (zOTsN) _______________________ Meh,, I don't need 'em. Nobody has a job anyway... *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 30, 2016 08:20 AM (HSmrB)

333 Ah, to hear on the morning of Nov. 9 that she's "gone into seclusion" (permanently). It'll be nothing but lawsuits for months on end.

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2016 08:20 AM (MJuTN)

334 IF all those renegade RINO/Establishment assholes got on board and from the get go, Trump would be ahead on all polls Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:17 PM (zp+j1 I do believe you are correct good Dr. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian -------------- True.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (9mTYi)

335 IIRC, Warren is only a year younger than the old battleaxe Hillary. It rounds closer to two years than one, but yeah, she's old. The only candidate older is Donald Trump.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (2lndx)

336 Fox TalkingHeads say Tim Kaine will be HillzVP What a slimy little weasel.... Perfect...

Posted by: donna at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (O2RFr)

337 Tim Kaine? so they are worried about VA? wow

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (zOTsN)

338 IF all those renegade RINO/Establishment assholes got on board and from the get go, Trump would be ahead on all polls Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:17 PM (zp+j1 --------- But the French Crystal wing may be gone for good.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (NUqwG)

339 A lot you know. Posted by: Pajama Boy at June 30, 2016 01:19 PM (9mTYi) I was referring to "men" in its finite, non-expansive form.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (SeD0w)

340 I saw some site saying Hillary was likely to pick Tim Kaine as her VP. Castro was in 3rd place.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (8marX)

341 The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday. The 10 crew members, captured at gunpoint in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 12 by Irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, improperly revealed passwords for laptops and cellphones and even sensitive technical details about their two ships, including their top speed, capabilities and missions, the report said. THAT is because instead of taking training to prevent that and teach them over and over and over what to do in that situation, they only take courses on how to treat gay and transexuals. And I am 100% FUCKIN NOT KIDDING. WHAT THESE FUCKS ARE DOING TO OUR MILITARY IS TREASON

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (zp+j1)

342 Nood GOP gun control.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (A/+my)

343 It's like I never existed ...

Posted by: Take a Chance On Me at June 30, 2016 08:21 AM (RKJF2)

344 If Christie could deliver New Jersey, it would be a no brainer as it would be impossible for Hillary to win the White House. NPR just had a news report saying Christie has an email problem relating to BridgeGate. He failed to report a personal email relating to the matter.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (IqV8l)

345 Still bein' fart-raped here.


Can I start carrying a giant pair of human buttocks on my back around campus?

Posted by: Steve Kerr's Chair at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (ZQXwG)

346 America is ready to be lectured to by two nattering geriatric grandmas. Historic first

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (MJuTN)

347 Why would AG Lynch meet with Bill Clinton privately when they "accidentally" crossed paths on a tarmac in Phoenix? How does one 'accidentally' run across someone across a tarmac, hidden inside a plane?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (v9gSJ)

348 This Trump poll is the beginning of the change.

4 months is a long time, it is a marathon, not a sprint.


Posted by: Just an American Citizen at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (UsCnO)

349 "Clinton/Warren ticket will alienate working class men entirely" Paleface Hillary drink all my fire water.

Posted by: Elizabeth "woo woo" Warren at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (OD2ni)

350 I don't care about the Christie vetting.  Christie endorsed Trump fairly early in the game.  And it's smart politics to at least consider people from every faction of the party, including the demographic and geographic splits.

My thinking on polls at this point in time is if they are trending up for Trump, that's good, but the numbers themselves don't mean much.

My guess on T.'s VP pick is that he will pick someone who can guarantee free airtime at every venue she attends.

Posted by: mrp at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (JBggj)

351 284 it will be a Waterloo for somebody An under-appreciated ABBA song ... pretty catchy earworm too. Sure, it's no Knowing Me and Knowing You or SOS - but a fine effort all the same. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 30, 2016 01:13 PM (RKJF2) Actually, that's the song that won the Eurovision Song Contest and put them on the map. Many years ago I heard a history of the Eurovision Song Contest on PBS. It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

Posted by: rickl at June 30, 2016 08:22 AM (zoehZ)

352 I say Chelsea's husband. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 01:16 PM (iQIUe) definitely -------- Besides, Ivanka is worth waiting a few months for, Chelsea isn't worth waiting 10 seconds for.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 30, 2016 08:23 AM (at/3h)

353 I was referring to "men" in its finite, non-expansive form. That sentence is literally mansplaining!

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 08:23 AM (A/+my)

354 Warren would be a disaster for Hillary. A female I know was making the comment that is actually such an extreme pander to the female vote to have both that she thinks it would actually turn a lot of women voters off. Not sure about that, but Warren has some pretty heavy baggage and is a terrible retail politician.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:23 AM (8SBq4)

355
241 Why doesn't that ididiot Trump pick Presdent Obama as his running mate because Trump hates persons of color and this will continue to helps persons of color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, Vt at June 30, 2016 01:07 PM (NuElX)

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Mary, I thought you Noo Englanders got better edumacation, including spelling, than us proles, and that was why you are all soooo smart?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 30, 2016 08:23 AM (txdEq)

356 340 I saw some site saying Hillary was likely to pick Tim Kaine as her VP. Castro was in 3rd place. Posted by: Tilikum KAW at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (8marX) Fidel Castro? because I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 08:23 AM (7HtZB)

357 "Chelsea. She and hubby were living apart not long after they got married. Started getting mention in the gossip pages. Then she got the job at the foundation, the $10 million condo, fixed up the image...."

$11M and change.

Which the Crown Princess paid in cash up front.

Shortly thereafter, she gave an interview in which she thoughtfully mused that she is "not really motivated by money".

Not making this up. You couldn't make this stuff up.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 08:24 AM (noWW6)

358 nothing says outsider than picking a veep from the state that is the seat of a huge chunk of the federal government

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:24 AM (zOTsN)

359 OT

NeverGiveUp, thought you'd find this of interest, from a great site on Iwo Jima, where both our fathers were:

"Three US Army amphibious truck companies - the 471st, 473rd and 476th - were assigned to the V Amphibious Corps at Iwo, one to each assault division."

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/Spotlight4_photos.htm

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:24 AM (oKE6c)

360 [Blind Gossip] This woman may be the daughter of a famous politician, but you definitely know her name as well.
Her marriage with her husband may not be as solid as it appears.
He cheats on her. But only when she's pregnant.

Palin?

Posted by: davidt at June 30, 2016 08:24 AM (XVTvT)

361 If it's Sarah Palin Trump is done.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at June 30, 2016 08:25 AM (RD7QR)

362 The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday. MILITARY IS TREASON Posted by: Nevergiveup What is the punishment in a case like that? It's definitely a different generation. And it's not like they were tortured. What did Iran do, take their internet away for 12 hours?

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:26 AM (8SBq4)

363 341 The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday.

The 10 crew members, captured at gunpoint in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 12 by Irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, improperly revealed passwords for laptops and cellphones and even sensitive technical details about their two ships, including their top speed, capabilities and missions, the report said.

THAT is because instead of taking training to prevent that and teach them over and over and over what to do in that situation, they only take courses on how to treat gay and transexuals. And I am 100% FUCKIN NOT KIDDING. WHAT THESE FUCKS ARE DOING TO OUR MILITARY IS TREASON

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (zp+j1)

^^^^^^^^
THIS

And it is going to take 2 generations at least to flush this shit out  -if ever.

God help the US of A if we have to go to war

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 08:26 AM (jxbfJ)

364 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (zp+j1) ------------ A few random related comments: Sigh (/) According to NPR (yeah yeah) this morning, there are 15,000 transexuals in the services. Soon we can form the first joint trans division. On the other hand I am not sure how much about those ships/boats could actually be "sensitive technical details"

Posted by: RioBravo at June 30, 2016 08:26 AM (NUqwG)

365

Newt or Cotton for VP to sew up the conservatives.

 

 Screw   Newt.  He's as bad as any GOPe nickelfucker.

 

Allen West.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 08:26 AM (X6fMO)

366 51 of 51 in 2012? Impressive. But when in 2012? June?

Posted by: X at June 30, 2016 08:26 AM (nFwvY)

367 294 Hillary will not share her ticket with Warren or any other woman.

There can be only one queen
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I think you misspelled "Apache princess."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 30, 2016 08:27 AM (txdEq)

368 If it's real, a lot of people are going to sh¡t a jeezley.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 30, 2016 08:27 AM (rJOC2)

369 this tells me she need Kaine to deliver VA which is funny

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 08:27 AM (zOTsN)

370 CNN just said that Trump is vetting Christie for VP. Let's await confirmation from a more reliable source. What does Pravda say? Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 30, 2016 01:06 PM (oKE6c) ------------------- I'd steal this, but I've been banned from all the other forums I used to comment at.

Posted by: iforgot at June 30, 2016 08:28 AM (pC96u)

371 Anyway, here's Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson in civvies: http://goo.gl/2xy2jY Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 12:49 PM (X6fMO) Ooooh, and a ginger to boot. Back later.

Posted by: Blano at June 30, 2016 08:28 AM (oO+cT)

372 Newt or Cotton for VP to sew up the conservatives.


This is why we lose. To hell with the conservatives: we need a VP candidate who will appeal to independents, and perhaps deliver a swing state.

Posted by: Jay Guevara [/i][/s][/b] at June 30, 2016 08:29 AM (oKE6c)

373 "Warren would be a disaster for Hillary." Agreed. Hillary's Man Gap is bigger than Trump's Woman Gap and has been growing. Suboptimal to double down on estrogen. Warren would also outshine Hillary on the trail. The Mexican Chipmunk Twin is also a suboptimal choice.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 08:29 AM (r1fLd)

374 Nood

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas at June 30, 2016 08:29 AM (jxbfJ)

375 Regarding polls: "It's beyond the pale! Whenever one of our popular pals pulls a new poll, a pall falls over people who are bipolar, compelling them to rush pell mell to pull out a pallet of little blue pills in order to politely imperil an otherwise unpalatable pullet." TL R version: Keep effin' that chicken.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 08:31 AM (NeFrd)

376

it will be a Waterloo for somebody

 

An under-appreciated ABBA song ... pretty catchy earworm too. Sure, it's no Knowing Me and Knowing You or SOS - but a fine effort all the same.

 

 

I was always fond of Ring, Ring myself.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 30, 2016 08:31 AM (X6fMO)

377 "Comey won't have the balls to make a criminal referral..."

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 01:13 PM (r1fLd)

I've read up on Comey. 'Balls' have nothing to do with anything here. Everything points to a principled, honest, incorruptable lawman being put in an impossible position.  If the evidence warrants it, Comey will almost certainly make the referral and then stand helplessly by as his boss refuses to go forward, as we all know she will.  If the evidence doesn't warrant it, he won't.  Either way, the fact that he's pursued this investigation at all means he'll be forced to resign at some point no matter the outcome.

The only reason Comey still has his job is because the optics of his resignation in the middle of this investigation would look terrible for the Administration right now.

Posted by: troyriser at June 30, 2016 08:32 AM (cCEFD)

378 Now Romney is pimping his wife as an alternative to Trump Cute. . . . Jerk. Posted by: Lizzy he said that he wouldn't go back to her..*sniff*.. I did things for him...e said that I was special..*sob*

Posted by: The Honorable John Katshit at June 30, 2016 08:32 AM (326rv)

379 Nood ***** Well, of course.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 30, 2016 08:32 AM (NeFrd)

380

 

Code of Conduct Article V

 

 

V. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at June 30, 2016 08:33 AM (lKyWE)

381 When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, That depends on what the definition of "war" is.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at June 30, 2016 08:35 AM (IqV8l)

382 I think Comey will do the right thing. If he was a "company man" the investigation would have been killed early on. He's already "betrayed" Hillary by taking it this far, his career is over if she wins. The real question will be how Obama plays defense for Hillary, my guess is he'll let Lynch take the heat for not prosecuting rather than him issuing a formal pardon.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:36 AM (8SBq4)

383 "If the evidence warrants it, Comeywill almost certainlymake the referral and then stand helplesslybyas his boss refuses to go forward, as we all know she will." Did Comey look into Clinton Cash Corruption with the benefit of recovered e-mails? There's certainly grounds for a criminal referral over intentional security breaches, but Clinton Cash Corruption charges will end Hillary's campaign. When there is a criminal referral, will it leak?

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 08:38 AM (r1fLd)

384 I insisted that Bush got fewer popular votes than Romney, and while I remember the numbers being different in 2012, according to Wikipedia, Romney got fewer total votes than Bush. So I was wrong and I apologize.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 08:40 AM (39g3+)

385 Did Comey look into Clinton Cash Corruption with the benefit of recovered e-mails? There's certainly grounds for a criminal referral over intentional security breaches, but Clinton Cash Corruption charges will end Hillary's campaign. When there is a criminal referral, will it leak? Posted by: Ignoramus To me, the pay for play stuff is FAR more damning than the email stuff, but proving bribery is very difficult as we saw with McDonell (VA Governor) There's no question there was bribery going on but still the charges were hard to prove.

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:40 AM (8SBq4)

386 I insisted that Bush got fewer popular votes than Romney, and while I remember the numbers being different in 2012, according to Wikipedia, Romney got fewer total votes than Bush. So I was wrong and I apologize. Posted by: Christopher Taylor Thank you, it's all good

Posted by: Maritime at June 30, 2016 08:43 AM (8SBq4)

387 To be consistent it the horse race numbers don't matter at this point. What does matter, and has all along, is that Clinton is a de facto incumbent and always polls below 50 percent. If she were a senator up for re-election, the DNC would be getting ready to shift resources away from her. People don't want to hear it, but Trump was/is the only Republican who could win this cycle. If he pulls it out, Trump definitely needs to cut the #nevertrump-trash adrift. They are cancer, and had been cancer, on the party and had been for decades.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 30, 2016 08:47 AM (GfUUJ)

388 "but proving bribery is very difficult as we saw with McDonell" Agreed. Also hard to get a jury conviction, because of politics. This may never get to an indictment. But a leak of a criminal referral is enough to torpedo an already listing ship.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 08:49 AM (r1fLd)

389 " 388 "but proving bribery is very difficult as we saw with McDonell" Agreed. Also hard to get a jury conviction, because of politics. This may never get to an indictment. But a leak of a criminal referral is enough to torpedo an already listing ship." Clinton also is under investigation for violations of the public records act and the Espionage Act. There is sufficient evidence now to prove those crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. Comey is just compiling a mountain of evidence to slam on Lynch's desk to embarrass her when she doesn't prosecute.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 30, 2016 08:55 AM (GfUUJ)

390 225 Less people turned out for Romney in 2012 than Bush in 2004. Why do people keep repeating this myth? Voter turnout was higher in 2012 than 2004 for both parties. Same for 2008. The "people stayed home" is a lie people tell themselves so they don't have to face how much their country has left them. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 01:04 PM (39g3+) ___ More people voted for Obama in 2012 than Bush in 2004. And people interpret this as "people stayed home". But really it means some Bush voters voted for Obama.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at June 30, 2016 08:59 AM (0LHZx)

391 "Clinton also is under investigation for violations of the public records act and the Espionage Act. There is sufficient evidence now to prove those crimes beyond a reasonable doubt." Agreed. This is the minimum. The holdup is Hillary's not meeting with Comey. This isn't required. It's a courtesy in white collar cases to give the target the opportunity to refute findings. If target lies it a 1001 violation, another felony. Comey can now say "I've given her six weeks." Time to move on. Bill would want to know that a criminal referral is happening. Even if Lynch says she won't indict, Hillary has a big exposure if there's a leak.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 30, 2016 09:02 AM (r1fLd)

392 Posted by: The One Shithead who Posts In The Thread at June 30, 2016 12:29 PM (gvF92) Wait there's only one?????

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2016 09:05 AM (hvf9s)

393 363 341 The US sailors who were detained by the Iranian navy last winter provided their name, rank and serial numbers and pretty much everything else their captors demanded, the US Navy said in a blistering report Thursday. The 10 crew members, captured at gunpoint in the Persian Gulf on Jan. 12 by Irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, improperly revealed passwords for laptops and cellphones and even sensitive technical details about their two ships, including their top speed, capabilities and missions, the report said. THAT is because instead of taking training to prevent that and teach them over and over and over what to do in that situation, they only take courses on how to treat gay and transexuals. And I am 100% FUCKIN NOT KIDDING. WHAT THESE FUCKS ARE DOING TO OUR MILITARY IS TREASON Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2016 01:21 PM (zp+j1) ^^^^^^^^ THIS And it is going to take 2 generations at least to flush this shit out -if ever.God help the US of A if we have to go to war Posted by: Our Country is Screwed - PROUD LGBT - Loves Guns, Beer and Tatas The Iranians, Russians, and/or Chinese will flush it for you.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at June 30, 2016 09:13 AM (kfcYC)

394 "391 "Clinton also is under investigation for violations of the public records act and the Espionage Act. There is sufficient evidence now to prove those crimes beyond a reasonable doubt." Agreed. This is the minimum. The holdup is Hillary's not meeting with Comey. This isn't required. It's a courtesy in white collar cases to give the target the opportunity to refute findings. If target lies it a 1001 violation, another felony. Comey can now say "I've given her six weeks." Time to move on. Bill would want to know that a criminal referral is happening. Even if Lynch says she won't indict, Hillary has a big exposure if there's a leak." I have no doubt there will be a leak. Given how risky and politically damaging this meeting was, my guess is Bill wanted Lynch to hold off until after the convention telling Comey she won't indict. This is about to explode, in all likelihood, since this meeting involved more risks than the Clintons normally take politically. You are right about the target not having to cooperate, but Hillary's attorney may have strung out the never-gonna-happen interview terms. All elections are event-driven but this one is jaw-dropping in that regard.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at June 30, 2016 09:14 AM (GfUUJ)

395 24 Rasmussen outlier. Now it's Hillary's turn to say the polls are rigged. Posted by: Hank at June 30, 2016 12:31 PM (/vqyz) Or she would if she took questions from the media.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 30, 2016 09:28 AM (VdICR)

396 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: 0302 at June 30, 2016 09:30 AM (wx6iv)

397 polls are meaningless this far out. It's great PR for Trump and quiets all the doomsayers. As all polls show there is a ton of voters still out there that hasn't made a decision. tons of voters still up for grabs. I would imagine once all the dumptrump crap is done with after the convention his numbers will go up. Same with Hillary was the sanders supporters feel the burn of defeat at the convention. Then maybe the polls will mean something. Regardless of how accurate the poll is and I think if you take this poll and the last couple the answer is somewhere in the middle or that its a neck and neck race. Unlike the McCain's and Mitt's who could never go higher in polls I think Trump has a lot of room to move up as he shows himself to the people and they understand he really isn't this racist, nutjob that the media has shown. As the remainders in the UK found out once the voters find out there isn't anything to fear but fear itself and the fear stories don't match the truth then it all starts to unravel.

Posted by: unseen at June 30, 2016 12:39 PM (6ez2Z)

398 Testing...

Posted by: speedster1 at June 30, 2016 02:47 PM (vUcdz)

399 Same pollster had Hillary up by 4 last time around, and up by 5 the time before.

Posted by: Aarradin at June 30, 2016 10:14 PM (+7Wfv)

400 One of the commenters on the bad polls which didn't predict success of Brexit contemplates the effect of the "Remain" folks demonizing the "Leave" folks, who, in turn, simply lied to pollsters (it being easier to lie about one's hard choices rather than subject oneself to slander) ...

Our difficulty in knowing the real state of the race is complicated by the demonization of Trump by the Left Gangster Squad made up of DNC, media and academia.

There may be a lot more support out there than the polls can discover in the present environment.

Posted by: Carlos at July 01, 2016 10:23 AM (yE4Vk)

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