January 30, 2013

Pushback: Conservatives Unite to Oppose Marco Rubio's Amnesty
— Ace

Thank goodness.

This whole play makes sense in only one scenario: That Marco Rubio is our candidate for President in 2016 and we need to give this to him to make him viable.

I'm not there yet. I'm not thinking like that. So I don't see the reason for it.

Quoting from National Review's editorial:

[B]roader reform measures must wait until credible enforcement mechanisms are in place. Those mechanisms include, at a minimum, a physically secured border and mandatory universal use of the E-Verify system, which confirms the legal status of new hires. We agree with Senator Rubio’s view that “we can’t be the only nation in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. . . . Modernization of the legal immigration system is impossible unless we first secure the border and implement an E-Verify system.” We very much doubt that Senator Rubio will achieve meaningful border security in cooperation with Senators Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, and Bennet. The less-of-the-same version being developed in the House with the support of John Boehner and Paul Ryan almost certainly will suffer from similar defects, since it appears to be based on the same premises…

Senator Rubio, an exemplary conservative leader, is correct that our immigration system is broken. And he is correct that, at some point, we are going to have to do something about the millions of illegals already here. But he is wrong about how to go about repairing our immigration system, and wrong to think that an amnesty-and-enforcement bill at this time will end up being anything other than the unbuttered side of a half-a-loaf deal. And there is no reason to make a bad deal for fear of losing a Latino vote Republicans never had.

Marco Rubio has the right take as far as process: He's actually trying to persuade conservatives rather than delivering unto them an ex cathedra declaration cooked up between John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

And that's nice. No, really.

But the substance is still unacceptable.

Posted by: Ace at 10:54 AM | Comments (300)
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1 YES!!!  Secure The Border First!

Posted by: Low Info Voter at January 30, 2013 10:55 AM (zLp5I)

2 No way.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 30, 2013 10:56 AM (1Y+hH)

3

Holy Frijole!

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 10:56 AM (52tY5)

4 Question:  What do you think it is about otherwise conservative Rubio that makes him flake on this issue.  Is it because he is hispanic himself?

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 10:56 AM (+xmn4)

5

 

We can't worry about this, we're giddy over Boy Scouts!

 

 

-NAMBLA

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 30, 2013 10:57 AM (1Y+hH)

6

Hey Marco,

 

FIX the Budget

Protect the 2nd Amendment

 

Then we can talk about Border Security

Posted by: Low Info Voter at January 30, 2013 10:57 AM (zLp5I)

7 Political cover for Rubio. Good cop, bad cop deal.

Posted by: nip at January 30, 2013 10:57 AM (11Tdq)

8 I would say that if it was late-2015 or early-2016, you could make the case that this helps Rubio's chances.  This far out, it's dangerous to do that.  Too many things that could happen that impact his chances or he might decide to not run at all.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 30, 2013 10:57 AM (Gkhxf)

9 Snap.

Posted by: gigg at January 30, 2013 10:58 AM (41VCE)

10 Marco Rubio and Rand Paul-- in the television age they just aren't going to happen. Too short. Hell one of them sounds like he's from Munchkin Land.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 10:58 AM (r2PLg)

11 Is it possible that Rubio is making such a big deal about this in order to get the "credit" and doesnt really have any intention to see it through? Its a risky but smart strategy if thats what he's doing.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 10:58 AM (CBCxo)

12 Barky said he would veto it anyway, so this is just Rubio kicking off his 2016 presidential campaign. (No, he's not doing it to appeal to conservatives.)

Posted by: joncelli at January 30, 2013 10:58 AM (RD7QR)

13 I really do believe that Rubio is shocked by the fact that conservatives are squinting at him and saying "Dude. I know what is going to happen to my mouth. No."

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 10:58 AM (VtjlW)

14 I'm guessing Marco sort of had a brain fart on this one.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2013 10:59 AM (bTPOR)

15 Reading the Real Clear Politics selections looks like this is diverting everyone from-- The Crap Obama Economy.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 10:59 AM (r2PLg)

16 Silly wingnutz. You think we're ever going to let you win another election now that we've had a taste of this kind of power? Go cling to your gunz...while we still let you have them.

Posted by: The MSM at January 30, 2013 10:59 AM (7ObY1)

17 13 LOL I have a bad taste in my mouth for sure.

Posted by: gigg at January 30, 2013 10:59 AM (41VCE)

18 Forget Rubio--CRUZ!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 30, 2013 11:00 AM (uhftQ)

19 Opening the doors to millions of unskilled workers into a shrinking economy that hasn't created a non government job since 2008 is a bad political move for a Conservative senator?

huh


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 30, 2013 11:00 AM (EZl54)

20 Well we know what his TruCon disqualifier is, now we just have to figure out everyone elses and ready ourselves for the internecine bloodbath.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:00 AM (CBCxo)

21 Can't these news outlets quell the presidential
talk for a couple years ?

We need to concentrate on 2014 and those races that could swing the senate in our favor...

Thus rendering O'bama totally useless to Libs...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 30, 2013 11:00 AM (trA4n)

22

I don't require a politician to agree with me 100% of the time.

 

What I would like to see is the response he is getting on this issue to cause him to rethink his position, and necessitate holding off on any "solutions" until after the current occupant of the White House is gone.

 

If he could do that, I  could see myself supporting him in '16. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 30, 2013 11:00 AM (TOk1P)

23 Not because he is Hispanic himself, but because he feels Hispanic first and Republican ... well, not Republican at all. Reckon he's set race relations back a few months. So we have that to thank him for, I guess.

Posted by: zimriel at January 30, 2013 11:01 AM (cG3pF)

24 Who cares about Rubio? Gomer Pyle just married a guy?

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:01 AM (Hz1zc)

25

Let's try not to shove him under the bus just yet.

 

Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 11:01 AM (ZDsRL)

26 >>Question: What do you think it is about otherwise conservative Rubio that makes him flake on this issue. Is it because he is hispanic himself?

Yes, but likely not because he has a "soft spot" for illegal immigrants.  My guess is that Rubio really wants to run in 2016, sees the Latino vote as crucial, and believes that if any Republican can get the Latino vote at all, it's him.

Posted by: angler at January 30, 2013 11:01 AM (SwjAj)

27 Sandoval actually has executive experience--hell I think he was a federal judge. Plus his wife isn''t an ex -cheerleader.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:01 AM (r2PLg)

28 "TruCon disqualifier" Fuck yourself.

Posted by: nip at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (11Tdq)

29 I don't think conservative pushback will make him change his mind, he will probably always hold this view that we should cate to illegals.

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (+xmn4)

30 I'm just saying. If I were an enterprising young ewok digging through someone's trash for love momentos, it might be Ted Cruz's.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (t06LC)

31 >And there is no reason to make a bad deal for fear of losing a Latino vote Republicans never had.


THIS ^

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (8sCoq)

32 I am an expert on cocksuckers.

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (EZl54)

33 Good, he shows enough class I'll stay open to backing him. McCain and my having to back him is still a source of rage.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (OCSDX)

34 24 Who cares about Rubio? Gomer Pyle just married a guy? Posted by: Jordan

 Gaaaaaaaawly

Posted by: American Dawg at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (trA4n)

35 Repubs would be labeled racist if each one of them invited 1000 illegals to live in their homes.


Dems live in gated communities and are supportive of people of color.


See how that works?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (Cnqmv)

36 Cruz on the other hand is awesome.

Posted by: zimriel at January 30, 2013 11:02 AM (cG3pF)

37 18: If Ted Cruz runs expect the media to become suddenly concerned by two very important issues: 1: The experience level of a freshman Senator and 2: The definition of "natural born citizen" /not a birther, I just think it will be funny

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (CBCxo)

38 Rubio has charisma. I think he is a great campaigner--but too short. Yes--America is that shallow.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (r2PLg)

39 As usual, Occam's razor applies.  Rubio did this because he's young and inexperienced.  He's a long way from proving that he's presidential timber, and the distance is increasing. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (YXmuI)

40 The Buchannan article re the late 2011 NATO fuck up seems to tie Rubio with McCain even back then. I am none too comfortable with what appears to be the trinity of ass, McCain, Graham, and Rubio.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (piMMO)

41

A  path  to  citizenship  already  exists.  Maybe  it's  not  fast enough  or  can't  currently  be  implemented  to  the  extent  that Rubio envisions.  But it's already here.

 

As the daughter of legal immigrants, I object to the way this debate is being characterized as either "pro-immigrant" or "anti-immigrant". No one is against legal immigration. Please don't lump all of us in the same group, and that includes you, Senator Rubio.

 

In  a  down  or  stagnant  economy,  even  LIVs  don't  like  the idea  of  competing  for  jobs  with  someone  who  has  jumped the  line.

Posted by: kallisto at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (jm/9g)

42

The first hint that Rubio  should  have taken that this wasn't going to fly was when McCain and Schumer started french kissing.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (+8acg)

43
back in 2006 the Republicans were on the verge of amnesty

then people started to mail bricks to congress-leeches

they got the message

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (9Q7Nu)

44 Not only no, but hell no. I went through so much hassle and money to bring my son here from Guatemala, I will be damned if the illegals get in for free. They are just more of the FSA, and crap on all of them.


I am forever reading sob stories of how families will be separated--NOT IF YOU ALL GO HOME TOGETHER!

Junior can return when he is of age and sponsor his parents, but not until he can be a productive member of society.


Why is this so hard for people to understand?

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (VLG62)

45 I recall that the last time McCain et al tried this the Capital phone lines were overwhelmed. I also remember a website was set up to send a brick (or more) to Congress to make the message clearer: build the darn border fence first!

So why are they pushing the same tired "solution" again?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (amaU1)

46  I'm a Marxist.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)

Posted by: JOrdaan [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2013 11:03 AM (xz0nG)

47 Lets face it, amnesty is just a bad idea.

I've got no problem with immigration reform, but it has to be done in a way that doesn't penalize those already legally waiting in line, and doesn't encourage more illegal immigration.

Unfortunately, nobody seems to be able to come up with a package that actually accomplishes these really simple things.

Posted by: looking closely at January 30, 2013 11:04 AM (PwGfd)

48 As to Rand Paul being too short, he gives me kind of a smart man's Andrew Jackson vibe.  IOW, he'll explain things to you, but don't cross him.  Perhaps the country will be ready for that in 4 years.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 11:04 AM (YXmuI)

49 I've heard for years from some of these same republicans border control first.  Yet here we are.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2013 11:04 AM (p/cQy)

50 It's --The Economy--Schumer.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:04 AM (r2PLg)

51 Wonder Twin powers: activate!



Shape of a circular firing squad!

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2013 11:04 AM (KXm42)

52 48 As to Rand Paul being too short, he gives me kind of a smart man's Andrew Jackson vibe. IOW, he'll explain things to you, but don't cross him. Perhaps the country will be ready for that in 4 years. Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 04:04 PM (YXmuI) __________________ Well add to that the Munchkin Land voice--gawd.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:05 AM (r2PLg)

53 So why are they pushing the same tired "solution" again?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 30, 2013 04:03 PM (amaU1)



Because they expect you to be watching "Girls" and not notice what they are doing to the country to stay in power!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2013 11:05 AM (Cnqmv)

54 #24

What, he was gay all along?

Who knew

Posted by: ricky martin sitting in liberace's living room at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (PwGfd)

55 "Gaaaaaaaawly" Made me laugh.

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (Hz1zc)

56

>>>This whole play makes sense in only one scenario: That Marco Rubio is our candidate for President in 2016 and we need to give this to him to make him viable.

 

You know what? If thats the only way to make him viable, he's toast anyway. I don't want him.

Posted by: Bigby's Down Twinkles at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (3ZtZW)

57 @47
and yet he IRS manages to process how many hundred million tax returns every single year?

funny that.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (EZl54)

58 As to Rand Paul being too short, he gives me kind of a smart man's Andrew Jackson vibe. IOW, he'll explain things to you, but don't cross him. Perhaps the country will be ready for that in 4 years. **** And I could give one rat's fuck about how tall he is. In my eyes, he stands head and shoulders above the pack.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (piMMO)

59 economy contracts further in 2013 Q1; old white Republican meanies to blame

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (60GaT)

60 I think furry things digging thru a Texan's trash run the risk of getting shot, so he should admire from a safe distance. Maybe 700yards.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (0cUd9)

61 41A path to citizenship already exists. / I object to the way this debate is being characterized as either "pro-immigrant" or "anti-immigrant". No one is against legal immigration. /

In a down or stagnant economy, even LIVs don't like the idea of competing for jobs with someone who has jumped the line.

Posted by: kallisto at January 30, 2013 04:03 PM (jm/9g)

Perfectly said. 

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (+xmn4)

62 I'd really like Congress, the administration, and state/local police to be made to obey the current immigration laws for a certai amount of time (10 years?)before they could even consider "reform." There's a reason we now have 11 million illegals in our country - and it has to do with sactuary cities, granting benefits & drivers licenses to illegals, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 30, 2013 11:06 AM (amaU1)

63 Representing the lolipop guild is more than enough qualification for president nowdays.

Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (KXm42)

64 My guess is that Rubio really wants to run in 2016, sees the Latino vote as crucial, and believes that if any Republican can get the Latino vote at all, it's him.

Good point.  But what it also says is that he's willing to embrace something with horrible consequences for the nation if it helps his campaign.  No thanks.

So why are they pushing the same tired "solution" again?]

Because, elections and mandates!

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (YXmuI)

65

Reagan signed the amnssty bill. The percetage of Lationos voting GOP has gone down since.

They don't have Conservative values.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (uhftQ)

66 the most interesting thing about the Third Reich ...

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (EZl54)

67 Question: What do you think it is about otherwise conservative Rubio that makes him flake on this issue. Is it because he is hispanic himself?

No, I don't think so.

Look at a map.  Find on that map the states / districts they represent.  Then look up the states with high populations of illegals and latinos.

You may note a pattern there.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (SY2Kh)

68 As to Rand Paul being too short, he gives me kind of a smart man's Andrew Jackson vibe. IOW, he'll explain things to you, but don't cross him. Perhaps the country will be ready for that in 4 years.

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 04:04 PM (YXmuI)

 

What the fuck do you mean to imply by "smart man's" Andrew Jackson? I'll see you outside for a duel in 5 minutes after I have my way with your wife and mother.

Posted by: Andrew Jackson at January 30, 2013 11:07 AM (t06LC)

69 I prefer a 'Path to Deportation'.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (52tY5)

70
yes, the last thing we want to do is alienate voters who will never vote for Republicans


Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (9Q7Nu)

71 i'd be for limiting legal immigration if it increased our ability to assimilate current immigrants.

but yeah it seems taboo to talk about.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (60GaT)

72 These idiots keep trying to foist this shit on us.

We have been to this dance before and it always ends the same.

Amnesty now, enforcement later that never comes.

It happened in '65, '86, '90, '96


STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS!

THEY'RE TRYING BAMBOOZLE US AGAIN!

Fuck That Shit!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (RrD4h)

73 Ace loves Marco!

Posted by: The Clinton family at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (I2LwF)

74 63 Representing the lolipop guild is more than enough qualification for president nowdays. Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2013 04:07 PM (KXm42) ______________ Unfortunately that only works for Democrats.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (r2PLg)

75 The idea that this must be done now is just a panic move in reaction to the conventional wisdom explanations for Romney's loss.

Hey Marco, here's a hint, if the commies want it it's prolly not good for the country or your party. The illegals that are advantaged WILL NOT vote GOP.

But if you are this much of a pawn, I guess it's better to know earlier than later.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (aZ6ew)

76 Reagan signed the amnssty bill. The percetage of Lationos voting GOP has gone down since.
They don't have Conservative values.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale

----------------

Same thing with Latinos

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 30, 2013 11:08 AM (uhftQ)

77 Monday Night's RedEye had Gavin McInnis and he emphatically made the claim that all we need to do is tweak hiring in the US to make it slightly harder to hire illegal-residents and we'd see millions and millions return to their home nation.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 30, 2013 11:09 AM (UypUQ)

78
you know what else makes a great presidential candidate?

one who bends over backwards for illegals


Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:09 AM (9Q7Nu)

79 Just look at how well Wisconsin's lax and generous benefits rules have worked out--we got all the gangbangers we want from Chicago moving here and shooting the place up.


Expand that to CA offering every possible benefit to illegals and, wow, who would have thought it would bring in all the illegals.


Knock that shit off, and they will go.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2013 11:09 AM (VLG62)

80 Does Juan McCain still have a case of the red ass over being called "The Gang of 8" instead of "Great Americans"? Eff 'im. My preferred term is "Insufferable Assholes"...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 30, 2013 11:09 AM (Jcd0S)

81 Marco

Posted by: Polo at January 30, 2013 11:09 AM (BVkEs)

82

If true, this strategery is too clever by half and will not end well.  It never does. 

Posted by: Jaws at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (4I3Uo)

83 Let's try not to shove him under the bus just yet.
Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 04:01 PM


Since Rubio shoved himself under the bus, all the Political Experts and D.C. Mavens around here can STFU as far as I'm concerned and stop the rationalizing, strategizing and general bullshit they lay on in their attempt to make the GOP all touchy-feely and Democrat-like.

Enough of the "in fairness" crap. It's about time to look for a candidate that is solid on the basics and never mind the demographic shit. That way, we might be able to pick up a few of the pieces when Choom Boy topples.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (XScks)

84
these idiots can't hold the goddamm line for 2 years until Obama is a lame duck??

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (9Q7Nu)

85
Rubio is being played by Schumer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (p/cQy)

86

Look, before everyone gets the long knives out for Rubio, it might be a good idea to sit back for a few days until all the nuances of the positions are understood.

 

You're not going to believe it, but I've seen reasonably intellegent conservatives turn on people just because they misunderstood certain aspects of their leaving a job early.  Hard to imagine, but once certain people get something in their heads, it's hard to explain the facts to them.

 

So let's put the charcoal and lighter fluid away for now.  There's always time to burn him at the stake later.  If we keep going with these knee-jerk witch burnings, we're going to run out of candidates.

Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (ZDsRL)

87 A sh*t sandwich is still a sh*t sandwich even if it has parsley on the plate next to it.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (71LDo)

88 Lucy!!!

Posted by: Dang at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (R18D0)

89 Rubio is being played by Schumer. **** Rubio is being played by McCain

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:10 AM (piMMO)

90 I'm glad Marco has dq himself this early.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2013 11:11 AM (0cUd9)

91 Just let me put it in, then I'll put on the rubber.

Posted by: Rubio at January 30, 2013 11:11 AM (MMC8r)

92

"The Gang of 8"

 

Brian Dennehey was unforgetable as McCain's goiter in that.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 11:11 AM (52tY5)

93 54 #24 What, he was gay all along? Who knew --- "Gomer Pyle discharged from USMC due to Don't Ask Don't Tell"

Posted by: Rock Hudson at January 30, 2013 11:11 AM (e0xKF)

94 Yes, but likely not because he has a "soft spot" for illegal immigrants. My guess is that Rubio really wants to run in 2016, sees the Latino vote as crucial, and believes that if any Republican can get the Latino vote at all, it's him. ------------------------------------ This. Its the only thing that actually makes sense. At some point the GOP needs to figure out what to do about the demographic shift. Amnesty isnt the answer, but then again, I have no answer either. I do know we can't just whistle past the graveyard forever.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:11 AM (CBCxo)

95 If you think about it, we could have a cleaner environment after a few bouts of genocide...

Posted by: JOrdaan [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (xz0nG)

96 Andy and Opie flaming leftards, Gomer just plain flaming...Mayberry wasn't what we thought it was now, was it?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (7ObY1)

97 Shirt.

Posted by: Polo at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (p/cQy)

98 these idiots can't hold the goddamm line for 2 years until Obama is a lame duck?? **** They couldn't hold it until a certain Constitutional issue was resolved? they couldn't hold it until Benghazi was resolved? They are a distraction from more important issues at this moment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (piMMO)

99 I'm OK with "fixing" immigration, as long as everyone who is a beneficiary is forced to work only in U.S. ammunition or firearms factories. This stuff just isn't getting made fast enough.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (PtwCa)

100 Great, so the little faggot who played Gomer Pyle got to marry his butt buddy of all these years. This is news? Who cares what they do to each other--but it ain't a marriage and will never be.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (VLG62)

101 Marco Rubio- proof of the innate racism of the conservative version of philosophy. Only by becoming a conservitard could a Hispanic man become racist.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (jCQ+I)

102
here's the plan if we didn't live in Bizzarro Universe:

1. Hold the line
2. Win the Senate in 2014
3. Tell Obama to go "horsefuck" for the last 2 years of his term

But noooooooooooooooooooo, we're too stupid to do that. We have to "fix" all these "problems" the Democrats keep sticking in our faces.

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (9Q7Nu)

103 "The percetage of Lationos voting GOP has gone down since. They don't have Conservative values."

well this isn't the best argument i think. lots of old immigrant groups, Catholics, back in the day, used to vote Democratic for example, until they broke with them on select issues. it's conceivable that the same could happen with Latinos at some point in the future, though i don't know what said wedge issue would be.

politics aside it's just bad policy.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (60GaT)

104 Assholes.  We don't need new legislation if the executive branch doesn't enforce the existing laws.

Posted by: Fritz at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (/ZZCn)

105

I do wonder if some of you people would allow Rubio to "evolve" on this issue,  or if  you'd only support somebody who always held the orthodox position for his/her entire political career.

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (TOk1P)

106 That is a lie about Jim Nabors.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (uhftQ)

107 There's always time to burn him at the stake later. If we keep going with these knee-jerk witch burnings, we're going to run out of candidates.

Actually, there isn't.  If this thing gets any traction, it'll happen, just like O-Care.  And then what?

As to knee-jerk reactions, I've been posting here for the better part of a year saying that Rubio was untested and not ready for prime time, much less a presidential run. 

Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 11:12 AM (YXmuI)

108 Yes, but likely not because he has a "soft spot" for illegal immigrants. My guess is that Rubio really wants to run in 2016, sees the Latino vote as crucial, and believes that if any Republican can get the Latino vote at all, it's him. *** Too damned bad he didn't help delver them for Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (piMMO)

109

Where's the Border Security bill?

 

That  needed to be introduced yesterday. Even if we block amnesty now, but don't  control the border, we lose. The clock is ticking. Dems  know  it. As long as they keep the  border open, it's  a mater  of time before they get whatever  they want.  We have a closing window of time to stop the stream of illegals.  Act with a sense of urgency, conservatives,  like your future depends  on it. Because it does.

 

Rubio: “we can’t be the only nation in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. . . . Modernization of the legal immigration system is impossible unless we first secure the border and implement an E-Verify system.”

 

Do it. Two bills. Border security first. Dealing with existing illegals second.

Posted by: CJ at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (9KqcB)

110 What is it about securing our sovereignty that these fuckers in DC don't get?   It's their fucking job!  They took an oath.  I wish Rush would have  mentioned that yesterday.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (+8acg)

111 Rubio would need to carry Florida. Florida with the social security third rail and immigration might be gone forever. Without Florida...Republicans winning the Executive might be--over.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (r2PLg)

112 >Rubio is being played by Schumer.



Ron Paul will be played by Brian Dennehy

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (8sCoq)

Posted by: BR5-49 at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (52tY5)

114 Rubio is being played by Schumer.

****

Rubio is being played by McCain

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 04:10 PM (piMMO)


McCain-Rubio-Schumer.

We talking centipede here?

Posted by: YIKES! at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (mETGQ)

115 As to knee-jerk reactions, I've been posting here for the better part of a year saying that Rubio was untested and not ready for prime time, much less a presidential run. Posted by: pep at January 30, 2013 04:12 PM (YXmuI) Not that I'm a Rubio backer, but I don't think episode makes him look untested at all. If he reacts and doesn't try to ram it down our throats, it's a plus in my book.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (qV8Rx)

116 Representing the lolipop guild is more than enough qualification for president nowdays.
Posted by: eleven at January 30, 2013 04:07 PM (KXm42)


And here I didn't even know that Alexthechick was going to run.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2013 11:13 AM (SY2Kh)

117
God help me.

I live in a universe that has Gomer Pyle "married" to a man.

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (9Q7Nu)

118 84
Rubio is being played by Schumer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2013 04:10 PM (p/cQy)


No, they look nothing like one another.

Posted by: joncelli at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (RD7QR)

119 I'm betting Rubio is pushing this in behalf of his hispanic donors.

Posted by: votermom at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (wOIt+)

120 The Senate bill will deem the border to be secure

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (8sCoq)

121 "97 Andy and Opie flaming leftards, Gomer just plain flaming...Mayberry wasn't what we thought it was now, was it? " The seamy underbelly of rural America! Mayberry is sounding more and more like a Flannery O'Connor story. All it needs is a Bible salesman molesting an amputee.

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (Hz1zc)

122 Yes, it's the 1986 amnesty all over again. Child of legal immigrants myself, I also wonder why I rarely hear about the identity fraud involved in every case of an illegal alien who is "law-abiding."

Posted by: Mike at January 30, 2013 11:14 AM (IShFQ)

123 We could build Hoover Dam, but not a fence? We could chase the Taliban out of Iraq, etc, but not build a fence? We could.... oh, hell, give me that post-hole digger and a bag of cement and let's get this thing going.

Posted by: tcn at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (VLG62)

124 Not that I'm a Rubio backer, but I don't think episode makes him look untested at all. If he reacts and doesn't try to ram it down our throats, it's a plus in my book. *** Then how about him trying to pit us against Russia in support of Georgia's admission to NATO?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (piMMO)

125 Fox is finally covering the Menendez sex scandal.  But in typical Sheppy fashion, Shepster failed to mention the "underage" part of Hookergate.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (UOM48)

126

I like Rubio, but on this topic: Fuck him.

 

Posted by: maddogg at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (OlN4e)

127

 

Suddenly the trolls appear. Imagine that. Where were you all earlier?

 

 

Didn't care for the "poised" thread?

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (1Y+hH)

128 The seamy underbelly of rural America! Mayberry is sounding more and more like a Flannery O'Connor story. All it needs is a Bible salesman molesting an amputee. If we find out next that Aunt Bea loved her some womyn, I'm done.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (7ObY1)

129

A big part of courting Hispanics (I'm really not sure what a Latino is) is engagement. FUck all this shit. The truth is we haven't really even been trying to explain our positions to them.

If I'm an average hispanic person watching the Republican debates, hell yes I would probably think republicans were racist. Why? Because the media casts it to unflattering terms for us and then on top of that you had canidates trying to out right Perry on an issue (this one) and be as hard assed as possible. On top of that, you have Obamanos telling you republicans are racist and from our end silencio.

Most agree enforcement first. You might have some movement with some non-citizen permanent resident guest worker shit. I don't know, but the rhetoric is a problem.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2013 11:15 AM (t06LC)

130 Dfbaskwill, that's arugula plebe

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (DZ9ke)

131 117
God help me.

I live in a universe that has Gomer Pyle "married" to a man.

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 04:14 PM (9Q7Nu)


I knew he was a queen when he turned me down for a quicky. Hmph.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (RD7QR)

132 Btw no matter what happens from here on in, I won't be supportin Rubio in his future endeavors in politics.

Posted by: The Clinton family at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (I2LwF)

133 No, they look nothing like one another.

Its a think piece.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (p/cQy)

134 28: I apologize. My "TruCon disqualifier" comment was wayyyy out of line. It was an exaggeration, no one here actually thinks that way. -------------------------------------------------------- 90 I'm glad Marco has dq himself this early. --------------------------------------------------------- Oh.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (CBCxo)

135 Bush received 44% of the Latino vote in 2004. Up from 200 for some reason. McCain--38% IIRC. I think Romney--28% really not sure. One thing not to do--treat them as a monolithic voting block. I get that polling does that. I've always hated polling by demographic groups--it aides the Dems in their resentment games and pitting one plurality against the other.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:16 AM (r2PLg)

136

Its the only thing that actually makes sense.

At some point the GOP needs to figure out what to do about the demographic shift. Amnesty isnt the answer, but then again, I have no answer either. I do know we can't just whistle past the graveyard forever.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 04:11 PM (CBCxo)


If he runs on immigration reform boning in 16, why does he think they'd prefer him over the Democrat who is also running on that, that they were going to vote for anyway? Lose/Lose.

 

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (+xmn4)

137 I'm OK with "fixing" immigration, as long as everyone who is a beneficiary is forced to work only in U.S. ammunition or firearms factories.

This stuff just isn't getting made fast enough.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 04:12 PM (PtwCa)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

This!  $1.35/round for .223?  Give me a fucking break.

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (+8acg)

138 Just askin; is the status-quo acceptable for at least the next four years. Because Obama's made it pretty clear he won't be enforcing the current law and making shit up like a de facto Dream Act in the process.

Plus, he's doubled down already with his Munich Immigration Address in Nevada yesterday.

The only time anyone will get serious about the border is when the next September 11th hits us. Then this administration will pull a Benghazi (now a verb) and bury us in meaningless political investigations, obfuscation, outright mendacity and, shock, demagoguery.

And while the bodies aren't even cold we'll get the Full Monte of political finger-pointing and recriminations.  

Posted by: Marcus at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (GGCsk)

139 OK, it's past 100 comments, so I can go O/T.
Plus, it's about vaginas, so it's all good.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ad9o559

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (bTPOR)

140 The insiders have always been on the side of amnesty, no matter how much the base opposes it. At some point you just have to realize you're not being represented. Anyway, I'm always kind of horrified every time someone brings up ethnic voting blocks. So, that whole individualism and equality as Americans thing, not worth having then? Just piss it down your leg, split up into groups and seek rent based on your appearance or language or love of pokemon or whatever. Having tens of millions of "americans" who don't see themselves as Americans helps somebody, but it ain't us and it ain't America.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (bxiXv)

141 And here I didn't even know that Alexthechick was going to run. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2013 04:13 PM (SY2Kh) *climbs to top of step ladder* *kicks you in the shin*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (VtjlW)

142 Ah, yes.  A troll ridiculing rural America.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (UOM48)

143 The only way this makes sense is if Rubio is a bizarro Democrat. Meaning he will continue to sound "moderate" and talk about a "balanced approach", all the while he is fucking up the process behind the scenes so when it blows up he can point his finger at the other guy and blame him. Then as an added benefit he can say "Oh my this President and his party are so extreme they want no border security at all" and paint them as fucking nutcases "beholden to their radical pro illegal immigrant base". I can dream can't I?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (++kZl)

144 Hey I sent at brick last time, can I throw it this time.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2013 11:17 AM (DZ9ke)

145 Didn't care for the "poised" thread? Heh. All those Obama-voting True FisCons, you know.

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (MMC8r)

146 Bush received 44% of the Latino vote in 2004. Up from *2000* for some reason. ____________

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (r2PLg)

147 I can't believe Rubio doesn't see the trap here. He said it himself on Rush's show - if Border Security isnt a main part of the bill he won't vote for it. He's being used right now, with a steak dangled in front of him. Once the necessary pressure is put on republicans, the democrats will change the bill, force Rubio to vote no - then bash republicans over the head with it. Every single republican for the past 3 years should have diverted every question asked about abortion, immigration, gay rights straight to the debt. What do you think about abortion? "Well if we don't get our debt under control, it won't matter." Sir do you think gays should marry? "If we continue this kind of spending, it won't matter of gay marriage is legal or not"

Posted by: Reality Man at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (obXkJ)

148 Not that I'm a Rubio backer, but I don't think episode makes him look untested at all. If he reacts and doesn't try to ram it down our throats, it's a plus in my book. Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at January 30, 2013 04:13 PM (qV8Rx) Yea but what about his comments during the whole Arizona thing? The way he landed a sucker punch on them while they were dealing with the Feds...

Posted by: KG at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (p7BzH)

149 I'm cool with undocumented workers. I eat beans at least once a week in solidarity with my little brown brothers.

Posted by: JOrdaan [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (xz0nG)

150 Btw no matter what happens from here on in, I won't be enthusiastically supporting Rubio in his future endeavors in politics.

Posted by: Truman North, FUPA TROOPA at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (YkKrZ)

151 Child of legal immigrants myself, I also wonder why I rarely hear about the identity fraud involved in every case of an illegal alien who is "law-abiding."

Probably because identity fraud is only a crime if you're a citizen.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (ZKzrr)

152 I am pretty sure "secure the border" was one of the last battle cries heard at the Alamo.

Or was it Custer's Last Stand?

Posted by: Marcus at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (GGCsk)

153 "No one is against legal immigration." I am. Teenage unemployment 20%+. Plenty of American engineers need work, etc. We are going to layoff Marines, and you want to bring more people in. You sound reasonable on the net though.

Posted by: nip at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (11Tdq)

154 In other news, Grandpa Walton was a bisexual communist. Really.

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:18 AM (MMC8r)

155 The seamy underbelly of rural America! Mayberry is sounding more and more like a Flannery O'Connor story. All it needs is a Bible salesman molesting an amputee. --- Try to find the SNL skit "Opie's Back!" from the Eddie Murphy days. Highlights include Otis The Drunk as a junkie, Floyd The Barber as a black man who spent years in whiteface thanks to Sheriff Andy, Aunt Bea as a madam, and Gomer as a leatherboy hitting on Sheriff Opie.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 30, 2013 11:19 AM (e0xKF)

156
Mel Cooley (the bald producer) from the Dick Van Dyke show was an h-mo, too.
Everyone knew at the time and he was flamboyant. After the show ended, he went really gay and used his gayness to sell cookbooks and stuff.


Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:19 AM (9Q7Nu)

157 Hey Pedo-Harry, vote on one of our budgets first, then maybe I'll consider a vote on your shamnesty bill.

Posted by: Bizzaro Boehner at January 30, 2013 11:19 AM (W7ffl)

158 Do it. Two bills. Border security first. Dealing with existing illegals second.

Posted by: CJ at January 30, 2013 04:13 PM (9KqcB)


You obviously don't understand nuanced multi-cultural political strategy.  If we flood the country with illegals, they will all immediately become assimilated socially and fiscally conservative Republican Voters (Reagano Democrats if you will).  What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Karl Rover at January 30, 2013 11:19 AM (Cnqmv)

159 "
Every single republican for the past 3 years should have diverted every question asked about abortion, immigration, gay rights straight to the debt."

this is a dumb tactic in general

"why are you talking about this? There are children starving in Ethiopia!!"

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:19 AM (60GaT)

160 Child of legal immigrants myself, I also wonder why I rarely hear about the identity fraud involved in every case of an illegal alien who is "law-abiding." Probably because identity fraud is only a crime if you're a citizen. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 30, 2013 04:18 PM (ZKzrr) I'm a fan of the whole "borrowing" Social Security numbers framing. Ahhh, yes, borrowing. That's it. Because I know if I borrow someone else's SSN, nothing bad will ever happen to me at all.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:20 AM (VtjlW)

161 This! $1.35/round for .223? Give me a fucking break. So you agree, my solution is workable. National ammo and firearm backlog cleared, lefty heads explode, heavily armed populace. It's a win!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 11:20 AM (PtwCa)

162 If he runs on immigration reform boning in 16, why does he think they'd prefer him over the Democrat who is also running on that, that they were going to vote for anyway? Lose/Lose. ------------------------------------------ The idea is that some latinos are "single issue" on this one issue and would be persuadable if it was off the table. Smells a little bullshitty to me, but thats probably where he's coming from

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:20 AM (CBCxo)

163

>>>Probably because identity fraud is only a crime if you're a citizen. <<<

 

No shit.

I wish we'd talk openly  about how many people they kill every year on our highways, as well as how much they cost us in 'uninsured driver/vehicle' fees.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (52tY5)

164
I'm a fan of the whole "borrowing" Social Security numbers framing. Ahhh, yes, borrowing. That's it. Because I know if I borrow someone else's SSN, nothing bad will ever happen to me at all.



Word.

Posted by: Preezy Skeeter at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (UOM48)

165 Jack Larson, who played Jimmy Olsen, too. But let's not let True-Fiscon Obama Voter Jordan threadjack.

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (MMC8r)

166 Mel Cooley (the bald producer) from the Dick Van Dyke show was an h-mo, too.
Everyone knew at the time and he was flamboyant. After the show ended, he went really gay and used his gayness to sell cookbooks and stuff.


Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 04:19 PM (9Q7Nu)

 

Tis true. Mel really liked Dick. No word on Dykes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (t06LC)

167 At some point the GOP needs to figure out what to do about the demographic shift. We need to explain to people that we aren't the KKK. Because that's the current pop culture understanding of the GOP, conservatives, and the TEA party. The media has slimed us for years, and it's stuck in the minds of youth and minorities. We keep thinking we can disprove this through policy, but it's a messaging problem.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (tmzN0)

168 I wish we'd talk openly about how many people they kill every year on our highways, as well as how much they cost us in 'uninsured driver/vehicle' fees. --- Druncle Onyango says "Hi!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 30, 2013 11:21 AM (e0xKF)

169

BTW to Hell with amnesty. Fuck that shit. No rewards for crime. How about we give all the rapists and murderers amnesty while we are at it? Not the same you say? They are all crimes. Check out how the Mexicans deal with illegals that slip into Mexico illegally. Not nice. They certainly don't treat it like they don't care. Why should we?

Solution? For every Mexican that comes across the border illegally, we ship a fucking coastal imbecile leftard to Mexico. The collective IQ of both countries will go up.

Posted by: maddogg at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (OlN4e)

170 I am pretty sure "secure the border" was one of the last battle cries heard at the Alamo. Or was it Custer's Last Stand? Alamo. At Custer's Last Stand, the indians, (Casino, not 7-11), were yelling, "We ARE securing the border".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (GFM2b)

171 BTW Marco Rubio is naive, and when he was interviewed by Rush I love the 5 second pause after Rush asked what he would do when the President just played politics with the issue and wasn't trying to seriously work the issue. The fact they view the Democrats and the President as rational actors in this out for anything other than gaining votes and playing politics with the issue should scare all of us to death. They have learned fucking nothing from the past 12 years.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (++kZl)

172 4 Question: What do you think it is about otherwise conservative Rubio that makes him flake on this issue. Is it because he is hispanic himself? Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 03:56 PM (+xmn4) No idea - he is the son of Cuban immigrants who fled Cuba. You'd think if anyone understood the rule of law, he would.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (x7g7t)

173 For every Mexican that comes across the border illegally, we ship a fucking coastal imbecile leftard to Mexico. The collective IQ of both countries will go up. --- Make sure to drop them off in downtown Ciudad Juarez without papers to get back across the border.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (e0xKF)

174 We could build Hoover Dam, but not a fence?

It's been a couple decades since we could build another Hoover Dam. After decades of ecofascist lawsuits (funded by the EPA, of course), everyone on the planning committee will be dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 30, 2013 11:22 AM (ZKzrr)

175 Probably because identity fraud is only a crime if you're a citizen.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 30, 2013 04:18 PM (ZKzrr)



Ah, the wonders of selective enforcement of existing black-letter law.  Interesting how that only works if it is a commie/liberal/Dem doing it though!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2013 11:23 AM (Cnqmv)

176 Plus I am a bit unclear how the appearance of intransigence helps our or Rubio's case.  Democrats have already falsely painted Republican's and xenophobes. And their base of lemmings incorrectly believe it.

I frankly believe it is a great move. It makes our position clearly known- even if Rubio walks away. He can say I was there with The Grinch (AKA Schumer) on a bipartisan basis and President Skeets kicked the dog.

If Rubio didn't do this it maintains the false narrative. Advantage Rubio.

Posted by: Marcus at January 30, 2013 11:23 AM (GGCsk)

177 DEPORT RUBIO!

Seriously.

He is aiding and abetting the Democrats in converting illegals to Democrat Voters.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 11:23 AM (+OTLF)

178 167 At some point the GOP needs to figure out what to do about the demographic shift.

We need to explain to people that we aren't the KKK.

Because that's the current pop culture understanding of the GOP, conservatives, and the TEA party.

The media has slimed us for years, and it's stuck in the minds of youth and minorities. We keep thinking we can disprove this through policy, but it's a messaging problem.

****

How about we dress John McCain and Mitt Romney in hoodies and gold chains and make rap video?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 30, 2013 11:23 AM (SkyIE)

179 "McCain and my having to back him is still a source of rage." That pedestal...just took a hit. Damn.

Posted by: nip at January 30, 2013 11:23 AM (11Tdq)

180 There are no 'law-abiding' ILLEGALs, by definition. That's why they want to call them 'undocumented.'

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (MMC8r)

181 "No idea - he is the son of Cuban immigrants who fled Cuba. You'd think if anyone understood the rule of law, he would." You'd think if anyone understood the cruel impracticality of a touch back policy it would be him.

Posted by: Jordan at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (Hz1zc)

182 174 We could build Hoover Dam, but not a fence?

It's been a couple decades since we could build another Hoover Dam. After decades of ecofascist lawsuits (funded by the EPA, of course), everyone on the planning committee will be dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 30, 2013 04:22 PM (ZKzrr)


Fuck fence.  MOAT - with Sharks and Crocs

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (+OTLF)

183 167: Very true. Pretty much all our problems are caused by the MFM/Generalized-leftist-pop-culture. I guess the only real answer is engagement and coalition building.

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (CBCxo)

184 Just hairballin' here, but it could be he's emulating the TFG's 'lead from behind' strategy here. You know, voting present while gasbagging all the way that 'we must DO something'. Having that adult conservation while setting the conditions for his support to Condition Red.
 
Or, he could be watching some internal polls that tell him to drag his position waaaay right or kiss 2016 buh bye.
 
Either way, without his support illegal alien amnesty is looking mighty ill.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (ccXZP)

185 I get "The Conversation" now...it's a blog where Ace has to actually read it to avoid double-posting.

Posted by: Johnny I at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (YyKGS)

186 How about we dress John McCain and Mitt Romney in hoodies and gold chains and make rap video? Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 30, 2013 04:23 PM (SkyIE) Arrrrrrggggghhhhh!!! There's an image I don't need. Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (VtjlW)

187 OT it was inevitable.The ewok double posted on The Conversation.LOL.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (9XBK2)

188 How about we dress John McCain and Mitt Romney in hoodies and gold chains and make rap video? --- Pimp Daddy Rumsfeld on line 1. Link in name.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 30, 2013 11:24 AM (e0xKF)

189

That's it, Rubio, get out there now so the enemedia can start bayonet practice.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (QLJPW)

190

I'm sorry, but anyone who takes potshots at Rubio and his plan really needs to propose an alternative.  Anf if "nothing" is your alternative, explain why it is Conservative to allow 11 million people to stay in the USA, depress wages, give a giant subsidy to big business in the form of those depressed wages, not pay taxes, and many of them with criminal records that won't pass a background check. 

 

I get it that you don't trust Democrats on this issue.  But we have to start somewhere to lay down some markers for a reform package we WILL support.  You can't just say "Fuck You Rubio You Damn Dirty RINO" without explaining how we keep from getting our heads bashed in over this in the next 50 election cycles.

 

And it is naive in the extreme to think a Republican minoriy in the Senate can get a bill that only includes border control and enforcement, and sometime down the road come back and do something about the people who are already here.  That simply will not fly, especially as long as Barack Obama is in the White House.

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (aBlZ1)

191

I'm going to stick with Rubio.  In my opinion, he's not someone easily "played" and I believe he's smart enough to hold his own in the company he's in.

 

I don't have the time, nor am I close enough to all the facts and figures, to lay out the perfect immigration plan.  In a representative republic, I depend on the people we choose to do it right.  Rubio has my proxy to handle this situation.

 

Where's the confidence in our team members?

Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (ZDsRL)

192 176 Plus I am a bit unclear how the appearance of intransigence helps our or Rubio's case. Democrats have already falsely painted Republican's and xenophobes. And their base of lemmings incorrectly believe it. I frankly believe it is a great move. It makes our position clearly known- even if Rubio walks away. He can say I was there with The Grinch (AKA Schumer) on a bipartisan basis and President Skeets kicked the dog. If Rubio didn't do this it maintains the false narrative. Advantage Rubio. Posted by: Marcus at January 30, 2013 04:23 PM (GGCsk) ______________ It does need to get the hell off the table. It divides our side and distracts everyone from the Democrat Depression.

Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (r2PLg)

193 186 The poor girl would smash her face to a pulp.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (9XBK2)

194 When I was in college, I took this "History of Technology" course. Part of the course dealt with the efforts to make a "tomato picker." They tried and tried to carefully and softly pick the tomatoes from the plants, but alas, they destroyed too many. So they took another approach .. make a tougher tomato.  Those tough thicker tomatoes that you buy in the stores that have little to no taste .. yeah, it's them.

What we need is legislation to make human being tougher, more resistant to bullets, knives, land mines and missiles (and it should help make football safer).
For everybody else, we will need armed protection.

Posted by: Gale Sayers at January 30, 2013 11:25 AM (e8kgV)

195 Where's the confidence in our team members? Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 04:25 PM (ZDsRL) Probably because we've seen this movie so many times even Ace's review wouldn't help.

Posted by: KG at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (p7BzH)

196 We're poised to enforce the border...

Posted by: Jay Carney at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (FcR7P)

197 187 Already???? I thought I was being novel...

Posted by: Johnny I at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (YyKGS)

198 Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline.


brb

Posted by: EC at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (GQ8sn)

199 Fence is for RINOs, a true Conservatives wants landmines.

Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (DZ9ke)

200 Rubio is getting played by some of the Senate's slimiest dirtbags.  I can't believe he doesn't see this.  The GOP are mucho stupido.

O/T, but I know why America is so, so eff'd.  Because there are actually people posting to FB the following comment about gun control:

  "nobody needs to arm themselves. There are ways to protect yourself WITHOUT weapons! are people that dumb?

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (ATdet)

201 197 Yeah,first day.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2013 11:26 AM (9XBK2)

202 My guess is that he has correctly observed that immigration reform is going nowhere. Why not seem rational to LIVs when there is no risk that it will actually happen?

Posted by: MJ at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (vl5mg)

203 Dear God Ace.

You have enough trouble posting here on a regular basis. Before Noon.

Now you are moonlighting?

Posted by: Marcus at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (GGCsk)

204

kateuptondancing . com

 

still dancing...

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (52tY5)

205 it's conceivable that the same could happen with Latinos at some point in the future, though i don't know what said wedge issue would be. politics aside it's just bad policy. Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 04:12 PM (60GaT) It's also conceivable that in another part of the universe, a complete Corvette was spontaneously created. It's conceivable that I might start shitting out gold. Give me a fucking break. 'Latinos' like them some free shit. That's why they stay.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (x7g7t)

206 Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline. Kate Upton on a trampoline. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 04:24 PM (VtjlW) Now there's a platform we can both get behind. Well, sit in front of. Have some Timbits.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (bxiXv)

207 178 167
At some point the GOP needs to figure out what to do about the demographic shift.



We need to explain to people that we aren't the KKK.



Because that's the current pop culture understanding of the GOP, conservatives, and the TEA party.



The media has slimed us for years, and it's stuck in the minds of
youth and minorities. We keep thinking we can disprove this through
policy, but it's a messaging problem.

****

How about we dress John McCain and Mitt Romney in hoodies and gold chains and make rap video?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 30, 2013 04:23 PM (SkyIE)


How about we get the rich republicans to buy up the media, fire cunts like Soledad Obamablowjob, and replace them with actual unbiased investigate journalists and professional non agenda driven news people...


well...


it was a great idea until we got to the unbiased investigate journalists and professional non agenda driven news people part...thats like digging in a pile of horseshit to find that birthday pony

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (+OTLF)

208 Anf if "nothing" is your alternative, explain why it is Conservative to allow 11 million people to stay in the USA, depress wages, give a giant subsidy to big business in the form of those depressed wages, not pay taxes, and many of them with criminal records that won't pass a background check. I don't want nothing to be done. I want the current laws to be enforced. *taps chin* Last I knew, the Rule of Law was a core conservative value.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (VtjlW)

209 these idiots can't hold the goddamm line for 2 years until Obama is a lame duck??

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 04:10 PM (9Q7Nu)

 

I see your point in re pathetic quisling GOP politicians, but President Obama isn't going to be your typical lame duck president. For one thing, President Obama is the first black president and controls--and will continue to control--97% of the black voting bloc for as long as he's alive, which means he will still command an immense amount of political power even after he's left office. Neutralizing President Obama in the last two years of his term means either the Republicans hold the House and take the Senate in 2014 or a Democratic Senator would be willing to cross both the President and every Dem-leaning black voter in his state. Good luck with that.

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 11:27 AM (vtiE6)

210 MOAT - with Sharks and Crocs

Yeah, that's not going to engender a zillion eco-fascist lawsuits.  By time it gets approved, it'll be a petting tank full of nurse sharks and the anchor babies' grandchildren will be taking their grandchildren to see it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 30, 2013 11:28 AM (ZKzrr)

211 It's also conceivable that in another part of the universe, a complete Corvette was spontaneously created. It's conceivable that I might start shitting out gold. -- I think there may be a better chance of spontaneously turning some SAMs into a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias in midair.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 30, 2013 11:28 AM (e0xKF)

212
nood

Posted by: soothie at January 30, 2013 11:28 AM (9Q7Nu)

213 We could build Hoover Dam, but not a fence? A fence will not hold water!

Posted by: Whoever the Guam idiot was at January 30, 2013 11:28 AM (FcR7P)

214 Have some Timbits. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 30, 2013 04:27 PM (bxiXv) Thank you! You may have a pallet to sleep on.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (VtjlW)

215 I guess the only real answer is engagement and coalition building. Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 30, 2013 04:24 PM (CBCxo) There are other ways. Ask the Muzzies.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (x7g7t)

216 200 Well that genius might be unaware that carrying a pocket knife with a blade longer than 2 1/3 inches(it may be even smaller now) is also illegal in NYC and probably many other places run by the retarded left. Illegal also in many government buildings and on planes etc. 

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (9XBK2)

217 roader reform measures must wait until credible enforcement mechanisms are in place.

Hugh Hewitt hardest hit.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (kqqGm)

218 Because there are actually people posting to FB the following comment about gun control

Do they have any nice jewelery or electronics at their house? V-Day's coming up, I could treat myself.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (ZKzrr)

219 So you agree, my solution is workable. National ammo and firearm backlog cleared, lefty heads explode, heavily armed populace.

It's a win!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 04:20 PM (PtwCa)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

I'm in!  *heading to the Wal-Mart parking lot as I type*

Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (+8acg)

220 190

how is this going to be prevent there from being a repeat 20 years in the future.

that's the main question.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:29 AM (60GaT)

221 Thank you! You may have a pallet to sleep on. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 04:29 PM (VtjlW) WTF is "sleep?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (bxiXv)

222

How about we dress John McCain and Mitt Romney in hoodies and gold chains and make rap video?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 30, 2013 04:23 PM (SkyIE)

 

For starters, we get those guys off the damn stage and start showcasing younger and more diverse people like Rubio, Cruz, Martinez, Tim Scott, Kelly Ayotte, etc. 

 

The great thing about this Rubio Moment is that the only Republican in the news right now is Marco Rubio.  He is the Big Story here, even to the MFM.  That is a net plus for the GOP regardless of how the policy turns out.  The sooner we get focusing on the next generation of Republicans, the better.

 

You can tell how skeered the MFM is of Rubio by reading Dana Milbank's column today in the WaPo.  The MFM is now actively concern-trolling the Right trying to gin up hate for him.

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (aBlZ1)

223 I see Martin Bashir was too embarrassed to host his show today, in the wake of MSNBC's dispicable editing.

Posted by: jwest at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (ZDsRL)

224 how is this going to be prevent there from being a repeat 20 years in the future. that's the main question. Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 04:29 PM (60GaT) It won't. That was the plan with all of the other amnestys. And Rockmom...doing NOTHING is better than doing the wrong thing, and the wrong thing is to grant amnesty.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (x7g7t)

225

A big part of courting Hispanics (I'm really not sure what a Latino is) is engagement. FUck all this shit. The truth is we haven't really even been trying to explain our positions to them.

 

"Senator McWhitey (R-Utah), what does the GOP possibly have to offer Hispanics?"

 

"The same thing offered to white voters: a choice."

Posted by: CJ at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (9KqcB)

226 How about we get the rich republicans to buy up the media Unfortunately they don't seem to be out there. I think we almost need some kind of grassroots movement to buy news media outlets I sure as hell ain't smart enough to organize that though.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2013 11:31 AM (BNuW6)

227

Thank you! You may have a pallet to sleep on.

 

Damn.  You're giving out pallets, now?  

I'm still waiting for permission to use my cloak as a blanket.

Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 11:32 AM (52tY5)

228 and start showcasing younger and more diverse people like Rubio, Cruz, Martinez, Tim Scott, Kelly Ayotte, etc.

Shameful parade of tokens, you mean.

Posted by: MFM at January 30, 2013 11:32 AM (ZKzrr)

229 That needed to be introduced yesterday. Even if we block amnesty now, but don't control the border, we lose. The clock is ticking. Dems know it. As long as they keep the border open, it's a mater of time before they get whatever they want. We have a closing window of time to stop the stream of illegals. Act with a sense of urgency, conservatives, like your future depends on it. Because it does. 2002 just called and wants their future back.

Posted by: Truman North, FUPA TROOPA at January 30, 2013 11:32 AM (YkKrZ)

230 *taps chin* Last I knew, the Rule of Law was a core conservative value. mPosted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 04:27 PM (VtjlW) And it Alextopia it's a way of life....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 11:32 AM (PtwCa)

231 190I'm sorry, but anyone who takes potshots at Rubio and his plan really needs to propose an alternative. Anf if "nothing" is your alternative, explain why it is Conservative to allow 11 million people to stay in the USA, depress wages, give a giant subsidy to big business in the form of those depressed wages, not pay taxes, and many of them with criminal records that won't pass a background check.

Wait, who is saying they want nothing to be done about illegals? 

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 11:33 AM (+xmn4)

232 I also recall that the last time "comprehensive immigration reform" came up it was pointed out that this country has managed to build many more miles of highway fencing (those brick barriers) in the time that we haven't managed to build the US/Mexico border fence.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 30, 2013 11:33 AM (amaU1)

233 The irony here of course is that Mexico's economy is growing faster than ours is. I better watch it or I might end up as an english speaking yardman

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2013 11:33 AM (t06LC)

234 227 I didn't get a pallet but I will get to sleep indoors.

Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2013 11:33 AM (9XBK2)

235 190 I'm sorry, but anyone who takes potshots at Rubio and his plan really needs to propose an alternative.Anf if "nothing" is your alternative, explain why it is Conservative to allow 11 million people to stay in the USA, depress wages, give a giant subsidy to big business in the form of those depressed wages, not pay taxes, and many of them with criminal records that won't pass a background check.

I get it that you don't trust Democrats on this issue. But we have to start somewhere to lay down some markers for a reform package we WILL support. You can't just say "Fuck You Rubio You Damn Dirty RINO" without explaining how we keep from getting our heads bashed in over this in the next50 election cycles.

And it is naive in the extreme to think a Republican minoriy in the Senate can get a bill that only includes border control and enforcement, and sometime down the road come back and do something about the people who are already here. That simply will not fly, especially as long as Barack Obama is in the White House.

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 04:25 PM (aBlZ1)


Deport all of them.

And anyone who complains about deporting them.

Any democrat that bitches put in internment camps for re-education.

Bring back gladiator games for any one who breaks the law and crosses the border illegally after...blood sport collesium with lions and bears and crocs.

Broadcast it after american idol weekly.

Stop pussyfooting around aobut how these poor criminals are going to suffer if we uproot them.

Does the fucking robber suffer if we stop him from robbing our house?  Sure..but tuff shit its illegal.

FUCKING MASS DEPORTATION IS THE ANSWER!

If we accidentally round out a few 30 or 40 million leftwing socialist assholes including college professors like BIll ayers with the deportation sweep too....well colateral damage sucks but  its inevitable.

Once we have the country secure again we can talk about the new immigration policy called...GET IN FUCKING LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

If you have no skills that make you valuable other than living off the public tit...too fucking bad...we dont want you.


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 11:33 AM (+OTLF)

236 Damn. You're giving out pallets, now? I'm still waiting for permission to use my cloak as a blanket. Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2013 04:32 PM (52tY5) My apologies, your petition must have been misplaced. You may use your cloak as a blanket. Bannion, turn the hose on the Court Jester as a lesson to whoever it is that lost the petition.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 30, 2013 11:35 AM (VtjlW)

237

We need to explain to people that we aren't the KKK.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 30, 2013 04:23 PM (SkyIE)

Telling people you aren't something; e.g., 'I am not a crook', 'I am not a witch', 'we are not the KKK', typically causes people to associate you with that something: crook, witch, KKK. You damage the brand and allow your opponents to frame and freeze you.

 

So what to do? For one thing, we could start by calling out national-level Democrats and their media cronies as the godless fucking fellow-traveling Mao-loving socialist weasels they are. Communism and socialism still carry negative connotations in this country with the majority of Americans. We should use it. 

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 11:37 AM (vtiE6)

238 i gotta stick up for the old white guys here. no not McCain. but i could see a "boring white guy" do well next presidential election if he doesn't have some of the Romney baggage.

plus presenting pretty much the exact same ideology in a "younger, hipper" candidate only goes so far.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:38 AM (60GaT)

239 Asset forfeiture.

Posted by: J. at January 30, 2013 11:39 AM (TCPNe)

240 . Bannion, turn the hose on the Court Jester as a lesson to whoever it is that lost the petition This should be fun. Yesterday we figured out how to cross the streams. It improves flaying time by 457%!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2013 11:39 AM (PtwCa)

241 I'm still waiting for permission to use my cloak as a blanket. Luxury.

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:39 AM (MMC8r)

242 "You can't just say "Fuck You Rubio You Damn Dirty RINO" " After 2012? Yes we can. YOUR DUMB STRATEGIC SHIT DIDN'T WORK. YOU MOVED LEFT. YOU LOST SEATS. YOU LOST SUPPORT. YOU ENCOURAGED FURTHER AGGRESSION FROM THE LEFT. YOU WON NOTHING. So, Fuck You You Damn Dirty RINO. With bells on.

Posted by: Cackfinger at January 30, 2013 11:39 AM (CCHli)

243 235

k

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:40 AM (60GaT)

244

How are we supposed to prove that we are not racist? By giving away the store like the Democrats?

Rational discourse sounds good, but when does this actually happen?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 30, 2013 11:40 AM (YmPwQ)

245

#208 What does that mean anymore?  Enforce the laws we have?  Does that mean deporting 11 million people?  Employing a massive ICE force to raid businesses and inspect the papers of all their workers to make sure they are legal?  What do you do with the anchor babies?  If you remove 2 million people from California's workforce, do you seriously think unemployed white people with families in North and South Carolina are going to magically appear to fill those jobs?  So what happens to those businesses?  "I don't care" really isn't a good answer.

 

I'm not trying to be a dick here, I am really trying to find out what conservatives think a real, practical solution is to this problem if it isn't along the lines of what Rubio has worked out here. 

 

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 11:41 AM (aBlZ1)

246 242

this is false, Romney ran ahead of almost every Republican candidate (Tea Party conservative, establishment conservative, etc.) except Scott Brown in MA for obvious reasons.

sometimes i wish we'd just gone kamikaze with one of the "true conservatives" (based on what, i wasn't always sure) in the primary lineup to dead this endless argument.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:42 AM (60GaT)

247 re: 'The idea is that some latinos are "single issue" on this one issue and would be persuadable if it was off the table. Smells a little bullshitty to me, but thats probably where he's coming from.'

Polls that Rubio has access to show that self-identifying Hispanics consider immigration-related stuff no more important than anybody else does, and it's not their "single issue." General expansion of state power is. They're for it, all of it.

So "reform" doesn't specifically appeal to Hispanics, but in theory it could work as a backdoor appeal to voters to whom seeming not racist is very important. But that theory is wrong and dumb. Those people are unpersuadable.

Rubio's personal interest in the issue is either because he's a truly dedicated establishment tool, a fucking idiot, or deeply personally invested in alienating "the base," because fuck those crackaz. There's evidence for all those things.

Posted by: oblig. at January 30, 2013 11:42 AM (cePv8)

248 I was always suspicious of this guy. His natural spanish constituency, the Cubans are conservative anyway and don't need pandering to.

His family story sounds nice but does not crossover to illegal Mexicans. They send their bucks back home, and don't like or want to assimilate with gringos.
You have to be a simp to equate the two.

After this idea I'm wanting Moe Howard to be hauling him up by the back of his collar with a GETOUTTAHEAYA.

I have no clue what Rush's play in this meant in the last 2 days, but it's troubling to say the least. 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2013 11:44 AM (aZ6ew)

249

What about making taxpayers living on our soil out of people not currently paying taxes while living on our soil?

Does it make sense to continue to allow them to break the law anyway and not get a damned dime out of  a huge portion of them?

 

We may as well start adding to the coffers,  and the sooner the better.

Posted by: i like anchors at January 30, 2013 11:45 AM (gMONh)

250 245

something that doesn't result in a continuous cycle of amnesties.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:46 AM (60GaT)

251 I'm not sure that Rubio is a natural born citizen. I'm interested in how he can be a legal candidate for president. or does the constitution only matter *sometimes*?

Posted by: mark at January 30, 2013 11:46 AM (8oXI6)

252 Wait, who is saying they want nothing to be done about illegals?

Posted by: Heralder at January 30, 2013 04:33 PM (+xmn4)

 

Pretty much everyone, seems to me.  "Deport them all" ain't happening.  Enforcing the law against hiring illegals is a great idea, but how many Immigration Police do you want to pay for and have harrassing every business in America to accomplish that?  How do they detect the fake Social Security cards and other documents that are held by millions now? 

 

You have to hold out some carrot to get these folks to declare themselves.  The stick is not working.

Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 11:46 AM (aBlZ1)

253 Amnesty is still coming. The pushback is not coming from inside the House or Senate.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at January 30, 2013 11:48 AM (oyQVv)

254

It  would  help  if our conservative  politicians  would  simply  do conservative things from the get go.  But the next best thing  is  to show that you can at  least  learn  from  them.  Rick  Perry  made mistakes with Gardasail  and the Trans  Texas  Corridor.  But  he was  smart enough  to run  from  them  when  they  provoked a  conservative  backlash.  THis is what  Milton  Friedman  had in mind when he  said you don't need new  politicians, just make it economical  for  a politician  to vote your way.

 

Rubio  may  have  learned   a   big  lesson here.  And wouldn't you rather  have  him  do it  now  rather  than  when  he is President  (if  he ever  is). 

Posted by: SH at January 30, 2013 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

255 "I'm not there yet. I'm not thinking like that"

I agree. I think he and Jindal have hired campaign advisers and are now spewing forth all the accepted wisdom in preparation for a run. It's all boilerplate crap.

Yeah, that will work.  Worked with Romney!

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2013 11:51 AM (ZWaLo)

256 I have no clue what Rush's play in this meant in the last 2 days, but it's troubling to say the least.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2013 04:44 PM (aZ6ew)

 

Limbaugh was courteous and respectful to a highly regarded, conservative Republican US Senator who will be one of the leading contenders for the GOP nomination in 2016. He did what Rubio asked, which was simply to hear him out on the immigration issue. Why do you find that troubling? Did you want or expect Limbaugh to tear into him? What, exactly, would've been gained by such an attack? Does the GOP need even more acrimony and division?

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 11:51 AM (vtiE6)

257

You mean blantantly 'lie to Conservatives.'

 

Some progress.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 11:52 AM (Axing)

258 254 It would help if our conservative politicians would simply do conservative things from the get go.

Posted by: SH at January 30, 2013 04:49 PM (gmeXX)


Yeah thats the rub when you elect a conservative thats actually a democrat in a plaid shirt and jeans pretending to be all you know conservative.


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 11:52 AM (+OTLF)

259 All is going according to plan.

Posted by: Francis Fox Piven at January 30, 2013 11:52 AM (P4cxa)

260

But, I forget, he, Marcus Rubio the Great, is going to be able to personally sway 'Hispanics' to the Conservative cause, per his own words.


Again, this guy is the GOP's Obama, arrogance included.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 11:53 AM (Axing)

261 @190

Please explain why anything other than enforcing our existing laws has to be done?

A great many people have bought on to the notion that something has to be done.

And also please explain when the American people decided that they would be responsible for the welfare of Mexico's surplus population?


I don't recall our "leaders" ever having this conversation with the American people.


I do remember all of the other immigration deals we did have that promised this time will be different but they always somehow never got around to the enforcement part.


YOUR BEING BAMBOOZLED!


Posted by: General Woundwort at January 30, 2013 11:53 AM (RrD4h)

262 There is no flood going on right now.
If anything they are self deporting at the same or greater rate than those coming north.

The Left just wants to reaffirm the antagonistic rep of the Right to this subject by offering it up as straw dog analysis for GOP's failed election results.

Go ahead GOP and chase your tails over this instead of grooming more media savvy candidates, and strengthening anti vote fraud protections.

Yup, Stupid Party 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2013 11:54 AM (aZ6ew)

263 258

well i don't think anyone can out-conservative you. though i dunno that "deranged rants" and "conservatism" are the same thing

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:54 AM (60GaT)

264 Rock Hudson didn't have many friends, but he had Nabors up the wazoo.

Posted by: Surprise, Surprise, Surprise at January 30, 2013 11:54 AM (iBbpm)

265 If amnesty is gonna get us the hispanic vote, why didn't they vote for Juan McCain in 2008?

Posted by: zsasz at January 30, 2013 11:55 AM (MMC8r)

266 262

is the economy always going to suck?

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 11:55 AM (60GaT)

267 >>Did you want or expect Limbaugh to tear into him? What, exactly, would've been gained by such an attack? Does the GOP need even more acrimony and division?
Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 04:51 PM (vtiE6)



How about some plain old fashioned schooling him, without hedging.Maybe you're more comfortable with politeness.

For me, the time for that is past. But Rush knows his audience I'd guess.

Prolly a good thing I'm going back on nights, he's not getting it done for me anymore as a voice or wise council. Seems content to take care of business.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 30, 2013 12:01 PM (aZ6ew)

268 Again, this guy is the GOP's Obama, arrogance included.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 04:53 PM (Axing)

 

That's just bullshit. Nothing--and I mean nothing--Rubio has done has shown any kind of character flaws like arrogance or narcissism--unless, of course, you actually have evidence of him evincing such behaviors. Otherwise, you're just pulling it out of your ass for reasons of your own.

 

Go after Rubio on policy, sure. Go after Rand Paul too while you're at it. Since they (and Ryan) are the presumptive frontrunners, they need to be looked over and vetted beforehand. But calling Rubio 'the GOP's Obama'? Where the hell did that come from?

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 12:02 PM (vtiE6)

269 You have to hold out some carrot to get these folks to declare themselves. The stick is not working.

Why?  Why is it that we must Do Something for illegals?  To add millions more Dem voters?

More specifically, in what way is Rubio's proposal a solution?  Sure, millions of illegals "come out of the shadows", but what then?  Millions more take their place?

As has been suggested, start with mandatory E-Verify (or it's equivalent) to weed out those with a fake or duplicate SSN.  Would it be a burden?  Maybe a little, but very little considering that they're already required to check and keep record of their employees documents.

If a gun dealer can make a call to perform a background check for every gun he sells, an employer can do the same upon hiring.

As to the farmers who can't find legal workers to pick their fields, that can easily be dealt with using work permits- the mechanism is already in place, if need of improvement.  If there was better border security and employment enforcement, there'd be little opposition.

We can discuss a "pathway to citizenship" after- and only after- serious border security and employment verification / enforcement actions are given time to take effect.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 30, 2013 12:02 PM (SY2Kh)

270 For Rubio, the tribe comes first.

Posted by: Bros First at January 30, 2013 12:04 PM (P4cxa)

271 263 258

well i don't think anyone can out-conservative you. though i dunno that "deranged rants" and "conservatism" are the same thing

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 04:54 PM (60GaT)

Dont worry, I tone it down for talk radio and leave the internment re-education camps so the sponsors don't panic.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 12:05 PM (+OTLF)

272 Cruz  is  much  better.  And  maybe  this  is  a  good  thing  now.  I suspect  many  think the nomination is Rubio's  for the taking  (and maybe  it  is).   But  these  kind  of  bills  may  provoke  a  bashlash  against him and cause  conservatives  to start looking  elsewhere.   Fine  with me.  I hope to  see  a  wide  open  2016  field  with Rubio, Paul, Ryan, Jindal, and  Walker  all  vying  for the top spot. 

Posted by: SH at January 30, 2013 12:05 PM (gmeXX)

273 And why don't we just show them how it's done? Proposals to make owning guns illegal? Show up as a consolidated group from every state in the nation proving that WE still believe in the Constitution. We will have legions returning from Afghanistan. How about some enterprising R. submit a bill re-assigning them to the border? How about we join them with our post hole diggers. We have to frame and change the narrative to show that it isn't the lib idiots and NYT, WP crowd who ARE this nation. Our inability to show OUR force is killing this country.

Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at January 30, 2013 12:09 PM (OA4k9)

274 You have to hold out some carrot to get these folks to declare themselves. The stick is not working. Posted by: rockmom at January 30, 2013 04:46 PM (aBlZ1) What stick are we using? They don't get deported They get welfare They get foodstamps Their kids get free schooling Those who do work don't pay taxes on the income They get pandered to by politicians I'm not seeing a stick. Fact is we could crack down on businesses hiring illegals and we COULD make things so uncomfortable that they LEAVE. You act like we don't know where most of them are. Let me give you a hint: Start looking at construction sites. That's where you'll find them. And THEY lead back to all of their illegal buddies. This is an easily solvable problem with the political WILL. But there is none. Instead the discussion is 'they should be legalized'. Which does what, exactly? It entrenches PERMANENTLY, with no hope of removal, a permanent base of more people who like FREE SHIT and will gladly vote for anyone who gives it to them, which happens to be Democrats.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 12:09 PM (x7g7t)

275 Celebrate Conservatives, you have signed your political death. That 70% of Hispanics that went Democrat in 2012 will be 90% against now in 2016.

The Marxists are right, Republicans are racist. Rubio was trying to get this issue off the table. But no, can't have these Mexicans get working papers. But you are cool with ending Americans to die for Muslims.

The Republican Party will be shrinking and continue to lose elections. The Marxist Democrats will rule this nation with an iron grip and destroy it. Thanks alot bigots!

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:15 PM (pAfpG)

276 @ 274 blindside
White people don't want free shit, right? Your bigotry is why the Republicans will continue to lose. I am going to enjoy your party's destruiction in 2016.

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:17 PM (pAfpG)

277 @265 zsasz
Bush got 44% in 2004. The reason McCain did poorly was the GOP's hostility dragged him down.

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:18 PM (pAfpG)

278 Deportation works.

Operation Wetback: look it up.

Posted by: Dwight D. at January 30, 2013 12:18 PM (P4cxa)

279 @ 254 SH
What Rubio learned was that Republicans are racists.

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:19 PM (pAfpG)

280 But calling Rubio 'the GOP's Obama'? Where the hell did that come from?

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 05:02 PM (vtiE6)

 

An underaccomplished and arrogant smooth-talker who got to the top based on the fact he fit the right ethnic group.

 

Yep, GOP's Obama.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 12:20 PM (Axing)

281 @ 278 Dwight D
How are going to determine who is legal or not? Round people up and put them in detention centers? The Republican Party is the Nazis Party now.

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:20 PM (pAfpG)

282 @ 280 MlR
If he was Irish, you would be cool with it? Please!

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 12:20 PM (pAfpG)

283 How are going to determine who is legal or not?

IDs?

Posted by: Dwight D. at January 30, 2013 12:22 PM (P4cxa)

284 New troll in town?

Posted by: Dwight D. at January 30, 2013 12:23 PM (P4cxa)

285 Bush got 44% in 2004. The reason McCain did poorly was the GOP's hostility dragged him down.

Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 05:18 PM (pAfpG)

Actually Bush got 40% (the original estimate of 44% was revised down), and Cubans were a larger % of the Hispanic population then. 

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 30, 2013 12:24 PM (2g9rv)

286

Exhibit A is the longstanding swooning over someone who's barely accomplished anything insofar as promoting Conservative policies, aside from giving cover to Obama's foreign policy failures.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 12:24 PM (Axing)

287 283 How are going to determine who is legal or not?

IDs?

Posted by: Dwight D. at January 30, 2013 05:22 PM (P4cxa)

Pop quiz on the bill of rights and the constitution if they dont want to present an ID.

Could get rid of a lot of liberals that way too...WIN WIN

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 30, 2013 12:24 PM (+OTLF)

288 276 @ 274 blindside White people don't want free shit, right? Your bigotry is why the Republicans will continue to lose. I am going to enjoy your party's destruiction in 2016. Posted by: GOP is RIP at January 30, 2013 05:17 PM (pAfpG) Who was talking about white people douche. I was simply stating the reason that 'Latinos' largely vote Democrat. Which happens to be the reason that MOST people who vote for Democrats VOTE for DEMOCRATS. It is what it is fool. And I can't wait until the entire thing comes crashing down and you come looking to one of us for food or shelter or help. The look on your face as we kick you in your teeth to starve or be raped and killed by the FSA will be priceless. Too bad there may not be cameras to capture it.

Posted by: blindside at January 30, 2013 12:25 PM (x7g7t)

289 It seems that after "turning" Christie the puppetmasters are now turning Rubio.

I'd like to hear what Ted Cruz has to say about all this.

Posted by: Tanguera at January 30, 2013 12:33 PM (QjqVJ)

290 Dems don't think the GOP is racist. They're just using that as a wedge. Don't worry--they will find another one as soon as Amnestia gets passed.

The GOP is racist cuz they won't let green carders vote!
The GOP is racist cuz they want background checks on green carders!

You get the picture.

I still can't figure out what the GOP gets out of the deal.

Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2013 12:34 PM (ZWaLo)

291 GOP is RIP is that Hector guy i think

hard-hitting Nazi Republicans vs. Marxist Democrats analysis here though.

Posted by: JDP at January 30, 2013 12:36 PM (60GaT)

292 underaccomplished and arrogant smooth-talker who got to the top based on thefact he fit the right ethnic group.Yep, GOP's Obama.

Posted by: MlR at January 30, 2013 05:20 PM (Axing)

 

'Under-accomplished'? By what measure? Rubio was elected Senator of Florida. Maybe you're not aware, but Florida happens to be home state to lots of people whose surnames end in vowels, so there was no tokenism going on when he attained that office. Rubio has risen to the top; rather, has achieved prominence in part because of his rhetorical skills, in part because he's a capable legislator, and in part because he's an unabashed conservative on most issues. Rubio has also been willing to take an unpopular position and make his case to the base, which takes a certain amount of political courage--a quality of character in short supply among GOP politicians these days.

 

You don't have a clue.

Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2013 12:48 PM (vtiE6)

293 I like Rubio, but if he decides to die on this hill, I'm going to look for other candidates as I would rather LOSE the 2016 Presidential election than have amnesty.  There, I said it. 

No matter what Democrats do in the coming years in power with the White House would be dwarfed a thousand times over by legalizing 20 million illegal aliens.  It really is game over at that point, I'd rather have more Solyndras and ethanol subsidies than a Permanent Parasite Majority.

The rationale for Rubio being our nominee is simple.  He's Latino, and many minorities vote on skin color.  I hate to play this game, but we live in a stupid country.

If Rubio were politically savvy, he'd be a border hawk.  he'd have the GOP nomination wrapped up in a bow and midwestern industrial states would swoon in a general election.  How popular do you really think Amnesty is in states like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc?


Posted by: McAdams at January 30, 2013 12:55 PM (EU2BU)

294 "...between John McCain and Lindsey Graham."

And what's usually between those two is smelly, steamy shit, as in a shit sandwich.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 30, 2013 01:00 PM (vd7A8)

295 He needs to walk away. He can do the "Obama moved the goal-posts" line to save face, but this is a bad idea he should run from.

Never make a decision while your panicing

Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2013 03:31 PM (9221z)

296 Rubio isn't pro mass immigration because he is Hispanic; he defines himself as Hispanic because he wants to be on the side of the bullies. White people in America are being crushed by mass immigration and forced integration and assimilation. Anti-white laws and policies like affirmative action, disparate impact, quotas, set-asides and political correctness means non-whites are advantaged. As the winners, favored by the law, non-whites get forced respect, and whites as group that is declining under the pressure of these measures get bullied. Rubio wants to be on the side of the bullies. He wants to tell the winners, "I'm one of you. I'm Hispanic too." And he wants to add his little kick to the faces of the losers. It's a simple attitude you can see on the playground, no deep strategy or theories required.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 31, 2013 01:10 AM (wJe8F)

297 284 Dems don't think the GOP is racist. They're just using that as a wedge. Don't worry--they will find another one as soon as Amnestia gets passed. - The Democrats are the non-white party. They get 80% of the votes of non-whites. The Republican party is the white party. It gets 90% of its votes from whites. That's why the Democrats consider Republicans as racist and always will. Republicans can't get that label off, except by driving off all their white voters. The Democrats strive to increase the numbers of non-whites by mass immigration and forced integration and assimilation, which in time will make America a non-white country, and a single party country, in effect, they hope. That's why they do what they do. The prize is permanent total power. (Power in a country that will have been reduced to Northern Mexico at best - but better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.) Elite Republicans are fine with that, even though in the long run it means genocide for their white supporters. Elite Republicans are always cultivating total fantasies about how Hispanics are natural Republicans, Blacks being not on board with the gay agenda means they are naturally conservative, and so on. They're willing to let whites be beaten into the ground and eliminated. They want power for themselves as individuals. And they want it from a better class of voter. The mass media makes working class whites stink, and the anti-white laws make them losers. Elite Republicans like Rubio don't want be on the side of stinky losers, they want to be on the side of glamorized winners. They want to be on the side of the bullies. It's that simple. It's that shallow. It's that despicable. If regular working class white conservatives trust leaders like Rubio and vote for them, they're voting for their own elimination in the long run. Millions and millions more non-white voters means a Democrat hegemony. That's why the Democrats want it. Anti-white hegemony plus chronic mass immigration plus forced integration and assimilation (that is, the whites are forced to assimilate while the non-whites can continue to play "us vs. them" ethnic games) eventually means no whites. It's obvious and inevitable.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 31, 2013 02:49 AM (wJe8F)

298

Faction building means more "punish our enemies" speeches for Enlightened Lightbearers, Champions of Tolerance.

By the way, let's start calling   them out on Political Bigotry. Don't they discriminate by creed on a daily basis?

Posted by: i like anchors at January 31, 2013 04:14 AM (nBE5A)

299 They say RACIST!!!, we say POLITICAL BIGOT!!!!

Posted by: i like anchors at January 31, 2013 04:15 AM (nBE5A)

300 The Democrats in the "gang of 8" have already admitted there is NOT going to be any enforcement, but Rubio seems to be brain dead.

Posted by: burt at January 31, 2013 07:33 AM (8kEad)

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