October 31, 2009

Priorities: Obama Administration Ensures That Young Children And Pregnant Women Gitmo Detainees Have Access To H1N1 Vaccine
— DrewM

To govern is to make choices and under the administration of Barack Obama, the choice is in favor of detained terrorists over the Americans those terrorists would like to kill.

Are the people who make this kind of decision the ones you making health care decisions for hundreds of millions of Americans?

Congressmen Mike Pence (R-IN) and Bart Stupack (D-MI) aren't amused.

"As long as Americans must wait to receive the vaccine, the detainees in Guantanamo Bay should not be given preferential treatment to receive the H1N1 vaccination," Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) wrote in a letter to Secretary of the Army John McHugh on Friday.

Pence, too, shared Stupak's concerns, but he also used his interview Friday to take a shot at Democrats -- and their handling of other healthcare crises -- in particular.

"I think this is exactly the kind of misadministration of healthcare, this and other aspects of the way this government is responding to the H1N1 virus, that ought to give the American people great pause about this massive government-run insurance plan that's been unveiled this week by House Democrats," Pence said.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this get mention two or three thousand times in the upcoming debate in the House and Senate. It should make for a wonderful TV commercial as well.

Fortunately for the Gitmo detainees they are protected from doctors who can only look longingly at their tonsils and feet. If not for the armed guards you just know those greedy MDs would be hacking away at them for the money and the fun of it.

Posted by: DrewM at 11:22 AM | Comments (103)
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1 snag

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 31, 2009 11:22 AM (Tsag4)

2 The title should end with "Too" not "To." Just sayin'.

Posted by: Al at October 31, 2009 11:23 AM (VtygY)

3 Those darned sockpuppets.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man In the World (rdb) at October 31, 2009 11:23 AM (Tsag4)

4 Heh, or nothing, that's fine too.

Posted by: Al at October 31, 2009 11:24 AM (VtygY)

5 They're not terrorists, they're undocumented catastrophe workers!

Posted by: Barry Obama at October 31, 2009 11:24 AM (QECjC)

6 Awesome, way to lead Pres'ent Toonces.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 31, 2009 11:25 AM (erIg9)

7 Alternative lifestyle man caused disaster adherents.

Posted by: rawmuse at October 31, 2009 11:28 AM (V/ZfA)

8 Let's just move them all into Frank Rich's apartment building.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2009 11:30 AM (ZzgoC)

9 If the injection is in the eye, I'm kinda cool with it.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2009 11:31 AM (ZzgoC)

10 If you look at this through the saying "take care of your friends and punish your enemies," it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: joncelli at October 31, 2009 11:31 AM (vPMF5)

11 Those who are kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind

--Talmud

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 31, 2009 11:33 AM (a6R93)

12 This is such bullshit.  I'm 7 1/2 months pregnant and teach at a university where 3 of my students have confirmed cases of H1N1, and I can't get the damn vaccine.  My doctor's staff haven't even received theirs yet because of the massive shortage.  Where the hell are the priorities of this administration? 

Posted by: Meezle at October 31, 2009 11:34 AM (KbkrN)

13
John McHugh?

Isn't that the rep formerly of NY-23? Yeah, good luck with that, Stupak. McHugh is now wrapped around Obama's finger, just like the rest of Obama's cabinet members.


Posted by: Dean Tweet at October 31, 2009 11:35 AM (z37MR)

14
כל מי שנעשה רחמן במקום אכזרי
סוף שנעשה אכזרי במקום רחמן    Kol mi shena`asa rahaman bimqom akhzari  Sof shena`asa akhzari bimqom rahaman    All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel  In the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 31, 2009 11:36 AM (ygZX7)

15

Fortunately for the Gitmo detainees they are protected from doctors who can only look longingly at their tonsils and feet. If not for the armed guards you just know those greedy MDs would be hacking away at them for the money and the fun of it.

The guards would look the other way, and you know it, Ace.

Posted by: RickZ at October 31, 2009 11:37 AM (is97c)

16 Sorry, Drew.

Posted by: RickZ at October 31, 2009 11:38 AM (is97c)

17 Strong. Smart.


Nuance.

Posted by: Some Guy at October 31, 2009 11:38 AM (Gsep6)

18
Isn't it time to dig up the newspaper archives in which Democrats blasted the Bush admin for failing to properly administer the annual flu shots to people?

Every single year, like clockwork, the Democrats criticized Bush about the flu shots. Obama has no excuse; the Swine flu didn't just appear on the radar screen last week. The Swine Flu has been around for several months!

Posted by: Dean Tweet at October 31, 2009 11:39 AM (z37MR)

19 Bizarro world.

Posted by: Buffalobob at October 31, 2009 11:39 AM (S3mpA)

20

As we discuss vaccine problems, let not anyone forget who screwed up the whole vaccine industry, and while trying to do what, exactly ...

From the WSJ (http://tinyurl.com/ybctgs3):

Hillary's Vaccine Shortage

By The Wall Street Journal  August 15, 2003

Everyone knows America's vaccine industry is in serious trouble, with an ever dwindling number of producers and recent severe vaccine shortages. What everyone also should know is that the National Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine has now pinned much of the blame on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Well, not in so many words. The panel of doctors and economists issuing a report on vaccines last week was too polite to mention the former First Lady by name. But they identify as a fundamental cause of the problem the fact that the government purchases 55% of the childhood vaccine market at forced discount prices. The result has been "declining financial incentives to develop and produce vaccines."

The root of this government role goes back to August 1993, when Congress passed Mrs. Clinton's Vaccines for Children program. A dream of Hillary's friends at the Children's Defense Fund, her vaccines plan was to use federal power to ensure universal immunization. So the government agreed to purchase a third of the national vaccine supply (the Clintons had pushed for 100%) at a forced discount of half price, then distribute it to doctors to deliver to the poor and the un- and under-insured.

The result is a cautionary tale for anyone who favors national health care. Already very high in 1993, childhood vaccination rates barely budged. A General Accounting Office report at the time noted that "vaccines are already free" for the truly needy through programs like Medicaid. Meanwhile, however, the Hillary project dealt the vaccine industry another financial body blow.

Thirty years ago, the Institute report notes, 25 companies produced vaccines for the U.S. market. Today only five remain, and a number of critical shots have only one producer. Recent years have brought shortages of numerous vaccines, including those for whooping cough, diphtheria and chicken pox.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at October 31, 2009 11:44 AM (A46hP)

21 The bitch-slap that karma is going to lay on Precedent 0bama I wouldn't wish on a horsefly.

Posted by: sifty at October 31, 2009 11:44 AM (wr1Lf)

22 Just wonderful.  If I told them that my three year old is a terrorist, do you think they might manage to get him immunized?

(Feel for ya, Meezle.  I'm 22 weeks and asthmatic, and was lucky to get one before my provider ran out.  Hope you get a shot soon.) 


Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at October 31, 2009 11:44 AM (KWhJd)

23 I'm 7 1/2 months pregnant and teach at a university where 3 of my students have confirmed cases of H1N1, and I can't get the damn vaccine.
Posted by: Meezle at October 31, 2009 04:34 PM (KbkrN)

Clearly you need to become a Muslim terrorist. That will catapult you to the top of the list.

Seriously though, stay well and congratulations!

Posted by: DrewM. at October 31, 2009 11:46 AM (ur6Ar)

24 Cannot post from a blackberry

Posted by: dananjcon at October 31, 2009 11:47 AM (bjayh)

25 "As long as Americans must wait to receive the vaccine, the detainees in Guantanamo Bay should not be given preferential treatment to receive the H1N1 vaccination," Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) wrote in a letter to Secretary of the Army John McHugh on Friday.

Why should they be given any treatment at all? They're not citizens of the U.S., nor are they legal aliens.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 31, 2009 11:49 AM (jV9DU)

26

the message from the Congressmen is too high-brow.  I have a law degree & can read (sometimes) more mumbo jumbo than many others.  but why don't these men just say it PLAIN:

"hey, the vaccines for your children, your elderly parents & your doctors & teachers are all going down to GITMO so the terrorists can get the shot.  Because Obama doesn't want the terrorists to get sick."

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 31, 2009 11:49 AM (TEIZr)

27
Spent the afternoon reviewing Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, and no mention of a Marxist president choosing prisoner's dedicated to killing American's as having precedent over their captors. 

Looks as if Obama is rewriting Alinsky's rules for the benefit of all his friends who consider Fascism the new American standard.  Fuck The Wookie, Orca, and the jug-eared prick who occupies the people's house. 

Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2009 11:50 AM (6mfq0)

28 Fish, give Rahm credit.  He is adding to Alinksky's rules.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 31, 2009 11:51 AM (TEIZr)

29 Outrageous. Not surprising, though.

Posted by: Darcy at October 31, 2009 11:53 AM (cnJcX)

30 Owe-bama seems loves everyone BUT Americans. Gosh, I dislike this guy.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at October 31, 2009 11:55 AM (B5cM9)

31 Why not?  When they're finally freed, they're sure to life-long Democratic voters.

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2009 11:55 AM (cxW4X)

32 The Gitmo Guests already gets tons of medical care and that is ok as long as we are keeping them prisoner. The priority is the issue, not the vaccination.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2009 11:56 AM (ZzgoC)

33 Don't think of the terrorists as receiving preferential treatment, so much as being used as test subjects.  No, wait... that's not right, they've already started vaccinating US citizens with the stuff.  Okay, I got nothin'.  Although I think we can all agree that we narrowly dodged a sternly worded letter from Amnesty International over our torture of these prisoners by not providing preferential health care for them.  Ugh.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at October 31, 2009 11:58 AM (pZEar)

34 This really pisses me off. I'm 27 weeks pregnant and have a toddler. We both need to get this vaccine and the shortage is so bad that there have been zero clinics held in my county.

My OB is finally getting some, but the health dept. is only allotting him 40 doses at a time and demand is so high that the only fair way he's come up with to distribute it is for his pregnant patients to just keep their next appointments and if he has any vaccine at the time, he'll administer it. I don't go back for three weeks, so who knows if he'll even have any then.

And in the mean time, I can't get any for my kid. That those scumbags being held at GITMO have immediate access to it while I can't get any for myself or my young son, who are both in the "at risk" categories, is total horse shit.

Posted by: Mandy P. at October 31, 2009 11:58 AM (MK6Kx)

35

They talked about this this morning on F&F and he rationale was that it was needed to protect the troops. So I gave it a semi-pass.

 

The problem is that the Dems ruined the inoculation industry and they can’t make enough of the shit.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2009 11:59 AM (CDUiN)

36 hey remember when the LEFTWING MEDIA were hypervenilating about an upcoming flu vaccine SHORTAGE and then when flu season hit, there was no vaccine shortage?  good times, right?

Posted by: somewing guv'nor at October 31, 2009 12:02 PM (Gsep6)

37 The odds of them catching H1N1 are what, exactly? Nil? Negative nil? The same as the odds of Pelosi or Reid being right about something?

Assuming I even cared about the welfare of terrorists who were... you know I cannot even finish the sentence. I wish we'd actually inject them with H1N1. Still, those are some of the most protected and pampered individuals on the planet. Not luxurious, but pampered, especially given their histories. How many people are they running in to that will pass on this over-hyped flu? Kids in school are infinitely more vulnerable and have higher odds of dying. Yet the wisdom of our "leaders" decides that that's how we'll mete out care.

You said it, DrewM.

Yet again we see evidence of the ugly side of health care control rearing its head. We've said it before and we need to keep saying it again - Obamacare has nothing to do with heath and everything to do with control.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 31, 2009 12:02 PM (C3uAX)

38 They talked about this this morning on F&F and he rationale was that it was needed to protect the troops. So I gave it a semi-pass.

Give the troops the vaccine and screw the detainees.

Posted by: Mandy P. at October 31, 2009 12:02 PM (MK6Kx)

39

If I was president, I would also make sure that the Gitmo terrorists had H1N1.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at October 31, 2009 12:04 PM (f4sLg)

40 It's ticking me off why nobody is asking why we don't have vaccines.  Hillary Clinton destroyed the vaccine industry in the United States.  They passed the Child Vaccination Act of 1993 which, among other things, forced vaccine manufacturers to sell 1/3 of their product to the government at 50% of the cost.  Twenty of 25 promptly went out of business.

Bush got crucified later in 2004.  He was 'warned' by "experts" in 2001 of the lack of manufacturing capability.  Apparently it wasn't a problem when the Clintons were in office.  At that time we were down to two manufacturers and one went of out of business (Chiron in England).  All of the four current flu vaccine manufacturers are foreign and only one operates a plant in Maryland.   How is that for vulnerability?

Posted by: Belasarius at October 31, 2009 12:06 PM (0mP6v)

41 I'll be coming out with a vicious rant against this later today, tomorrow at the latest. Cuda out.

Posted by: The Cuda at October 31, 2009 12:09 PM (muUqs)

42 If Conservatives are smart in the 2010 race, they should show the numbers of dead from H1N1 and then parallel that with who got the flu shot in Gitmo. People will understand that kind of incompetence.
And you know what?
I think Conservatives WILL be smart in 2010. Because Conservatives, unlike the other parties, don't have to spew all kinds of BS to get elected - just state what they believe.
God
Guns
American Oil
Strong Defense
No Illegal Immigration
Less Government
Less Taxes
Less Abortion

Posted by: Def Leppard at October 31, 2009 12:09 PM (hIOnV)

43
The Gitmo Guests already gets tons of medical care and that is ok as long as we are keeping them prisoner.

The priority is the issue, not the vaccination.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2009 04:56 PM (ZzgoC)

But it can be maddening.  Awoke in the Field Hospital in Long Binh, Vietnam after emergency surgery to find a prisoner on the ward being treated for a gunshot. 

Trying to figure a way to zap the guy through a morphine haze wasn't my finest hour, but he was moved from the ward after a lot of bitchin'.

Posted by: Fish at October 31, 2009 12:11 PM (6mfq0)

44 #36,
Someone posted Lurch's comments about that from a couple elections ago. You are dead on - Lurch was going nuts about how people were dying and Bush was incompetent, blah blah.
Meanwhile, our children die for want of a flu shot - a shot we've been demanding for about ten months.
But hey, have you seen MEchelle's toned arms?
And how about Barack's awesome golf swing!

Posted by: Def Leppard at October 31, 2009 12:12 PM (hIOnV)

45 Seriously, how likely is it that Gitmo detainees would get swine flu in the first place? They're a small population confined to an island in a controlled and secure place.

Anyhow, it's all Obama can do now to bring up Gitmo occasionally without doing anything meaningful to close it. He's had top men working on Gitmo policy for months and they haven't cracked the case. Luckily the trend, politically speaking, is not Obama's friend. He will only cock up the war more and more and closing Gitmo will be more unpopular as a result. That is, until we miss one of the ever-increasing number of terrorism plots being busted on our soil. Before then he'll limp along and officially creep out ~20,000 US citizens every day. He'll either totally freeze in the headlights or nuke Pakistan, give 90% of Americans the shivering existential douchechills and it's a new ballgame after that.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at October 31, 2009 12:13 PM (YRjsF)

46 They talked about this this morning on F&F and he rationale was that it was needed to protect the troops. So I gave it a semi-pass.

Meh.

First of all, if the detainees are going to get it will be from the guards or outsiders who show up (people the guards will be in contact with any way).

Second, I bet most otherwise healthy servicemen and women would gladly take the relatively small risk of catching the flu (which isn't a big deal for the overwhelming majority of adults) so that people in the high risk groups (kids and pregnant women) can have a shot. They take far greater risks every day.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 31, 2009 12:15 PM (ur6Ar)

47 The other sick thing about detainees getting shots is, given a choice, the detainees would likely refuse the shot!

Posted by: CharlieDontSurf at October 31, 2009 12:31 PM (0Xpf6)

48 There is NO reason that they even need the vaccination.  While in Gitmo, they are effectively in quarantine.

Posted by: Bender at October 31, 2009 12:39 PM (FDZUn)

49 And there are huge line-ups (for the first-priority, at-risk groups and not even including the general public) and shortages here in government-run healthcare land too. And some provinces are already giving shots to convicts (but not prison guards) at the same time as line-ups are ongoing. BTW, a liberal Liberal MP wanted MPs to go to the head of the line for the shots because keeping government running (even though she's in the Opposition) is the most important thing in the world.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2009 12:40 PM (2qU2d)

50 I say Hell No! For at least this reason: Think of the IRONY of extremist muslims contracting "swine flu".

Posted by: Zombie Rodney Dangerfield at October 31, 2009 12:42 PM (2LsNk)

51 /sockpuppet off

Posted by: cheshirecat at October 31, 2009 12:43 PM (2LsNk)

52 BREAKING: Gitmo Detainees Tortured with Syringes Full of Biological Agents

Posted by: Jim Treacher at October 31, 2009 12:45 PM (cvmgB)

53 "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others   ...especially foreign terrorist animals."  -Teh One

Posted by: dogfish at October 31, 2009 12:53 PM (sGaoh)

54


Well, if they were POWs, we would be required to feed and care for them at the same level as our troops; which would mean innoculation.

Since they don't have too many visitors and influenza is easily controlled by sanitation, OH YEAH, AND THEY ARE TERRORISTS, let 'em sneeze.

Posted by: Gus Bailey at October 31, 2009 01:07 PM (vnjKF)

55 Just got my "free" H1N1 pamphlet in the mail from the Canadian Government this week.  It lists as one of the groups of people more at risk those with neurological disorders. 

Ergo those weird, wild, wacky twisted, delusional folks being detained in Gitmo are definitely at the top of the list then.


Posted by: Russtovich at October 31, 2009 01:09 PM (ZXGQD)

56 Generally speaking its a good idea to innoculate prisoners and clusters of close-living people before the general public. I might or might not get the flu, but if Prisoner 1923871 does, then the whole damn population probably will.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2009 02:21 PM (PQY7w)

57

Help put a Conservative/pitbull in Pelosi's back yard.

Harmerforcongress.com

He can win the special election in California's 10th district.  Not much time left.  Throw him a bone.

Posted by: mghorning at October 31, 2009 02:26 PM (UPjva)

58 This needs a flaming skull.

It is going to highlight the complete failure of the federal government to ensure that there is enough vaccine.  Given the health care debate and the 1900 page bill, this cuts though all the confusing BS and shows just how government health care is going to be run.

Posted by: snookered at October 31, 2009 02:40 PM (h3PdB)

59 Christopher Taylor@56,

All the more reason to shift the resources to the most aerosol-, saliva-, and phlegm- exchanging individuals around: school kids -- who, BTW, happen to be much more vulnerable to the virus and who haven't actually plotted against the nation to destroy it. As far as we know, the little dickens.

I added that last part as a Coulter-ish jab. Funny but with a realistic bite. I know you're not advocating for terrorists, just stating fact. Nonetheless, this is one of those cases where the counterfact must be emphasized.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 31, 2009 02:50 PM (C3uAX)

60   #56
Generally speaking its a good idea to inoculate prisoners and clusters of close-living people before the general public

That probably is true, however we're no where near having enough vaccine to start jabbing the general public.  Heck, I'm a health care provider - who has asthma - which theoretically puts me in 2 high risk groups,  and our facility doesn't have enough doses (or know when we're getting them) to vaccinate us yet. 

I realize it's just a couple of hundred doses we're talking about at GITMO but we should prioritize giving the vaccine to actual US citizens first. 

And I shouldn't even have to say -  If this happened and Bush was still in charge we'd see bold headlines and stories leading the evening news....  

Posted by: some wench at October 31, 2009 03:03 PM (uJBct)

61 This is a judgment call and at the risk of being called a terrorist-lover I'm going to have to say this is a good call.

Prison inmates get dibs on vaccinations during epidemics because:

1) they live in an enclosed and crowed environment where diseases can easily spread. They may be essentially in quarantine, but the guards are not and one sick guard could cause an entire prison to get infected.

and

2) their health is the responsibility of the government and if any of them get sick and/or die lawsuits are guaranteed.

But just because we have to vaccinate these bastards doesn't mean we can't have some fun. We should take the prisoner out of his cell in the middle of the night without warning or explanation, take him to an empty room, strap him down to a table, have some doctor that looks like that guy from "Cannonball Run" administer the vaccination, and have him silently stare at the prisoner for an hour while writing things down on a notebook. Just imagine the size of the bricks he'll be shitting.

Posted by: Aaron at October 31, 2009 03:42 PM (pVvKc)

62 Why immunize them against swine flu anyway? Aren't Muslims adverse to contact with swine anyway?

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 31, 2009 03:55 PM (L5Mim)

63 Also, isn't this the Michael Moore argument, the "why do Gitmo prisoners get free government health care when nobody else does" ?

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at October 31, 2009 03:57 PM (L5Mim)

64 The prisoners don't need to be immunized, just the guards and other staff.  Though I quite like Aaron's idea.

Posted by: Some Guy at October 31, 2009 04:06 PM (Gsep6)

65 As long as they are getting it with an added little happy air bubble i'm 100% fine with it...

Posted by: Bowhunter at October 31, 2009 04:32 PM (UmOcE)

66 Something like about 10,.000 us citizens died from the flue last year, and how many have H1N1 people confirmed people have died in the USA so far. 500 -1,000. Obama has been real quick to declare this a major outbreak of the flue.good for his health care program. He lies as usual.

Posted by: mystry at October 31, 2009 04:36 PM (kmgIE)

67 Gitmo, what......is Gitmo still open?

Posted by: Boglee at October 31, 2009 08:10 PM (EQ7xK)

Posted by: tim at November 01, 2009 03:28 AM (Popjn)

69

Swine Flu= Part of the democrat plan to reduce the population by killing off the very young and very old.

"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die."  (Quote by liberal former Labor Secretary Robert Reich who is now an economics adviser for Barack Obama.)

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Posted by: Buffalobob at November 01, 2009 07:20 AM (S3mpA)

71

In order to contract "Swine Flu" (or any air-borne virus, for that matter) one must be in contact with others, including defense lawyers. Were it not for the Obama administration's relaxation of Bush restrictions, the Gitmo prisoners would be safe from H1NI.

 

 

Posted by: SENECA at November 02, 2009 05:19 PM (GkYyh)

72 Yeah...the government has decided to reserve 200 vaccines for prisoners that supposedly have valuable information (information worth torturing for), ergo this is a reason to not support public health insurance.
 
The real reason to not support public health insurance is that both parties will seek to earn votes by subsidizing it, which adds to the longer term fiscal liabilities we have. The Democrats made Medicare and Medicaid, and Bush and the Republicans added hundreds of billions of dollars to Medicare spending by creating the new prescription drug benefit (Medicare Plan D).  It doesn't matter who you vote for: government will spend more on healthcare.

This episode, however, has absolutely nothing to do with public health insurance.

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Wall Street & not-Federal no-Reserve.  
Israel-first dual-national AIPAC.  
Mossad media megaphone.  
Official 9/11 propaganda.  
Anthrax intimidation.  
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