March 31, 2007

Pretty Damn Good Amateur Film
— Ace

It's by the guys who did the awful Battle of Shakur Heights on the second season of Project Greenlight (I knew it was them the moment I saw a very effective car-run-down special effect, a gag they'd used to get the job on Greenlight).

Well, I guess that makes them semi-pro. Still, they're doing this on their own dime. It's pretty amazing what halfway competent guys can do with budget special effects programs.

They're Sam Raimi influenced comic/horror type guys, and just were all wrong for the Indie quirky drama/afterschool special Shakur Heights. This is definitely more their metier. Not especially innovative, just a mash-up of elements from Evil Dead 2 and the very underrated House 2: The Second Story (plus, I guess, a bit of low-rent The Beyond.)

There are three episodes posted so far out of four total. Each runs about 3:40.

Thanks to Asher, who I'm guessing enjoyed the Evil Dead homage.


House 2: Wow, YouTube has everything:

Posted by: Ace at 08:30 AM | Comments (123)
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1 Ace: What range of $$$ do you consider a film to be low budget? I ask because I've been watching these British crime films by Ritchee and Vaughn. I don't know how much L,S, & B cost, but Snatch and Layer Cake were both under 4 million pounds. Granted, it's been a few years since they were made (2000? 2004?) and  it's hard to figure out how much they grossed and how much profit they really need to  earn. I would think making films under $10 mil could be quite lucrative. So, why aren't more made?

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 09:04 AM (wnEdx)

2 Uh, did you give the title of the film?

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 09:05 AM (wnEdx)

3 "I've seen her before, she's a hemophiliac."

Hilarious.

Posted by: big al at March 31, 2007 09:44 AM (e8NRr)

4 House 2 was a horror-comedy in which the house in question opened up various gates into other time periods and dimensions.

There's a funny part where John "Cliffie" Ratzenberger shows up as an electrition to fix a short, and the guys are all worried about keeping him from discovering the house's weird secrets.

He calls them into a room where he's working on the electric lines, and shows them he's punched through a wall that looks out onto, say, an Aztec temple in the jungle around 1200 AD.  Very calmly he says, "See, your problem isn't electrical so much as you've got some sort of transdimensional gateway thing going on."

And then he becomes an Indiana Jones sort of guy, if Indiana Jones had been an electrician.

It's one of the few films that failed "movie star" Bill Maher was in (he really thinks he should be a star; comedy is a backup), and he's okay in it, since he plays a smug prick.  Really stretching those acting muscles.

It's not great, but it's got a few good ideas, and it's kinda fun.

Anyway, Hellholes seems to swipe that premise, where cupboards and refrigerators open up to reveal strange otherworlds.



Posted by: ace at March 31, 2007 10:24 AM (+u1X0)

5 I added a clip from House 2.  Again, not great.  Just surprisingly decent, especially for a sequel to a cheapie horror movie that wasn't very good in the first place.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2007 10:44 AM (+u1X0)

6 House 2? Whatever happened to House 1? Wendt rocked in that one too.

"Strange old bat lived in that house, craziest b*tch under the face of the sun"

"She was my aunt."

"Oh! heart of gold, though, heart of gold."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 31, 2007 11:02 AM (DQDJU)

7 This from an earlier thread:

Now is as good a time as any to ask - are you a chick OregonMuse?

Me? No, although I've been called a pussy many times.




Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2007 11:22 AM (2g3cv)

8 #9 was for Amish of the many names and random letters.


Posted by: OregonMuse at March 31, 2007 11:23 AM (2g3cv)

9 Ace-

Battle of Shakur Heights...

"Shakur Heights"?

I think you meant "Shaker Heights"

Tupak was nothing but a fakin' ass nigger that would have 'died anonymously young' twenty years ago at the hands of the "Short North Posse" or the "Ghetto Boys" if he had ever lived in Columbus...

His mama was a "socialist" black radical, and he was nothing more than a little punk.

Tupak-- Good riddance!




Posted by: Big E Little at March 31, 2007 01:17 PM (LuJdO)

10 While I agree with your sentiments that he was nothing but a thug, Ace doesn't want the "n word" used here, Big Little E.

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 01:46 PM (3gYuD)

11 Amish of the many names--

I thought I was the only person who saw "PW and the Avocado Jungle of Death"

I don't know how to react...  This movie was definitely among the "five dumbest" of all time-- but it did also have Shannon Tweed's 50 yr old titties---

(I was 15 in 1979---  Shannon Tweed was the "hot",  "MILFy", "tit show" bitch  in every B-  movie showed on Skinemax during my "puberty"...)

Of course, Mahre was probably just chasing some cheap black cocksucking 19 yr old 'ho' on the street corner at the time.

Posted by: Fletch at March 31, 2007 01:50 PM (LuJdO)

12 I'm on a Jason Statham kick. I wanted to get Crank but couldn't find it. So, I was all set to buy the two Transporter movies. I was reluctant since recently I saw it at the cheap dvd store for half price. I looked at it several times, but hadn't heard of  him before. No one likes to pay full price for what they could have paid half price for. Anyway, the guy at the counter told me if couldn't find Crank because it's in the new section. So, now I have three dvds for tonight. I could have put them on my Netflix queue and saved myself a whole lot of money.

Anybody seen these movies? People either love or hate Crank.

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 01:54 PM (3gYuD)

13

John over at Average Gay Joe (but I thought his name was John?  I'll figure that out one day)


Has some cool fan lightsaber battles.  No reall sets or anything but the choreography and audio is pretty wicked.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 02:05 PM (QTv8u)

14

Red, I have both of the Transporter flicks - 1st one was pretty darn good IMO (for a semi-mindless action flick), but it's been a while since I've seen them. IIRC, I was disappointed in the 2nd, but a second viewing may be in order... maybe that's what I'll watch tonight? I was just trying to convince myself not to watch Kill Bill 1 & 2 again, anyway.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 02:28 PM (Q8tsb)

15 Thanks, Frank. The guy at the store said 1 was riveting but 2 had alot more action. I'll go watch 1 now.

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 02:48 PM (3gYuD)

16

This is good, no doubt about it.  Is it Evil Dead Good?  No.


But I'm a Sam Raimi guy all the way.  The Evil Dead Trilogy is infallible.  There is not a single wrong thing about it.  Even the naked girls being led around in chains by skeletons in Army of Darkness rules.  Ash rules.  Nothing can touch the immortal greatness that is that trilogy.  Even comparing other movies to them is an insult.  Other great horror movies abound.  Other great comedic horror movies exist (Shaun of the Dead).  But nothing comes close to the perfect greatness that Sam Raimi, Rob Tapert, and Bruce Campbell achieved.  Those movies can not, and never will be, topped.  Do not use them to describe something else or any other movie.  It is a disservice.  When you're discussing great martial arts movies, you don't mention Enter The Dragon, because to do so would be a disservice to the greatness that is Teh Bruce.  Some movies transcend; they exist on a higher plane, and you have to just appreciate what they are.


Posted by: otcconan at March 31, 2007 03:06 PM (o4y5x)

17 especially for a sequel to a cheapie horror movie that wasn't very good in the first place.
You didn't like the original House Ace? It's one of my all time favorites. Granted, it never delivers the knockout punch or makes that leap from good to great, but it's a genuinely scary movie with a few good laughs. The Vietnam Vet stuff does come close to being great.

Posted by: forged rite at March 31, 2007 03:09 PM (0B8Rq)

18 Of course this is one of my all time favorites too, so........

Posted by: forged rite at March 31, 2007 03:16 PM (0B8Rq)

19 Red-

The "n" word?  Really?

Would it have been any different if I said "Niggah"? 

Or, perhaps you favor the old-fashioned "Knee-grow"?   

I've always thought that-

1)Ace decides what is appropriate on his blog.
2)If Ace doesn't like anything in my post, he can 'delete' at will(and advise me of such- and/or block me-etc.).
3)And...  you are not Ace.

So, tell me again why I should care what you think?

(BTW, assmunch, the name was "Big E Little"-- a bit of a 'play on words' concerning the rumors of the East coast/West coast "rap feuds" that implicated Tupak in Big E Small's murder, and also "explained" the subsequent 'retaliation' hit on Tupak...)










Posted by: Fletch at March 31, 2007 03:28 PM (WC32X)

20

Cuz even assholes like me, tend to be respectful, unless we are in one of our retarded cycles fletch.


I don't disagree at all, but really, why pick a fight with a fellow commenter?  Just ignore him, and move on if you are that confident in what you say.


Reds not a bad guy, he just voiced his cringe factor.  Don't shit on the guy, it's a reasonable degree of cringe.


No reason to be as big of a dick as I sometimes am.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 04:21 PM (QTv8u)

21 Here's some House 2 trivia: The tipsy girl in the French maid costume is played by Jayne Modean. She also played the Olsen twins' character as a grownup on Full House.

Compare the French maid in House 2 to the actual grownup Olsens, and I think you'll agree we got robbed.


Posted by: Bob Hawkins at March 31, 2007 04:26 PM (pnBkj)

22

internet movies/film seems to be the basics, of the post.


I finaly decided to watch "outfoxed" on google video.


Really, really retarded, only one I can see who has any value is jeff cohen who used to hold neil gablers seat.  I see that as a validation rather than a conflict.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 04:42 PM (QTv8u)

23 Wicked- The latest Penn & Teller Bullshit episode was about Wal Mart and they actually defended Wal Mart. The Bonus was that they shit all over the guy who made OutFoxed because he also made an anti-Wal Mart movie.

Posted by: forged rite at March 31, 2007 04:57 PM (0B8Rq)

24

Forged,


One of the things I think is absolutely fucking AWESOME about Penn and Teller's Bullsh!t series, and Southpark, is that, they really are in general supporters of the lefty philosophy. 


However, they oppose the desire of certain lefties to make it a mandatory agenda, it's the most true form of "civics" in the entertainment media.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:01 PM (QTv8u)

25 We danced to this.

Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 05:04 PM (dsK4l)

26

I don't know about Penn & Teller, but for Parker and Stone I'd say at least one of them has to be a legitimate 3rd party type, if not libertarian-conservative leaning.


If they were both conventional moonbats they wouldn't be capable of seeing things the way their take so frequently is.


I can similarly be certain they aren't both right leaning either.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 05:08 PM (Uh5fR)

27 So, tell me again why I should care what you think?

You shouldn't. Just like I don't give a shit what you think. I did extend you the courtesy of warning that Ace has made it known just last week that he disapproves of the use of that particular racial slur and will ban people who persist in using it. But, just to prove that 'I'm not the boss of you,'  please use it  frequently.

Posted by: Red at March 31, 2007 05:12 PM (3gYuD)

28

I just meant the small l liberal philosophy entropy.


not full on moonbatism where everyone else is mccarthy, and being citizens who aggree with the basic philosophy, they are offended by the political maneuvering and minimilization of the philosophy in the name of political power.


Thats the sense I get from them.


Truth be told, thats how I am.  If Democrats knew how to defend the nation without destroying half of the nations will, I might be a democrat, but it's been 44 years almost, since the last Dem had the balls to do that.


I would like for JFK to be reincarnated, and elected president again.  The left would shit it's pants.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:13 PM (QTv8u)

29

Dear god,


I love this as one of my stupid 80's songs that everyone should recognize.


But it's clear that paul lekakis is about as gay as an alaskan day is long.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:17 PM (QTv8u)

30 joke would have been better with "an alaskan solstice." or something, but really, I was caught offguard by just how gay he was.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:20 PM (QTv8u)

31

Dorks are funny!


Curse whoever's fault it is for making me look for this shit.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:22 PM (QTv8u)

32 Penn and Teller are definitely Libertarians and i always hear that one of the South Park guys is Libertarian. Here's a song that always makes me think of the 80's.

Posted by: forged rite at March 31, 2007 05:25 PM (0B8Rq)

33

Wicked, I think you may very well be a Classical Liberal, in the Tammy Bruce vein. I never got the liberal slant from P&T, but then again, I've never had tons of exposure to them.


Red, how's Transporter so far? or did you decide against it for now? In the "It's a small world" category, Escape From new York came on a local independant channel, so I'm sitting here enjoying Snake Plissken & some extra spicy Kung Po shrimp.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 05:29 PM (Q8tsb)

34

If you watch the RARE interviews with Penn, or listen to his radio program (I think it's once a week for one hour) you pick up a more than little nihilistic attitude.  It might be an exaggeration of his libertarian point of view cuz he's a quintilionare who doesn't fucking care, but there is always a truth that underlies the humor and farce.


Max who begs for change on the corner SAID THAT!


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:32 PM (QTv8u)

35

Finally!


I just rememered that song that I was confusing Skid Row with.


This song was played eighty-kajillion times in 1992.


They look like Skid Row -- skinny, long hair, etc.


Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 05:33 PM (dsK4l)

36

Frankly,


Actually, even when I was wrong, I rarely got fucked with, cuz I was wrong in a way that people would agree with.  (part of the reason I'm crazy)


I basicaly think that people should be left alone until they fuck up, and then they should be told that they fucked up and then be punished.


I don't know whats right and wrong, I know what I've learned is right and wrong, but the degree of governance over the right and wrong things that are done should be limited.  I didn't really have to be told not to stab someone, or to rape someone or to run over the crippled kid who gets to the crossing guard too late.    That shit is natural if you have a proper upbringing, hell, even if you have a shitty one, with failed parents who try, but always fail, despite the fact that they love you.


I have a lot of friends who fall into the category's of failed humans that "true" conservatives pander to.


Thats why I have the opinion that I do.  Abortion?  Yeah, it's a shitty shitty fucking thing, but doesn't she and he have a responsibility to learn that for themselves?


Shit like that.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:38 PM (QTv8u)

37 heh, Amish... no, but now that you brought it up, I'll have to make another phone call

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 05:40 PM (Q8tsb)

38

Another song I like, with a couple of people doing an actual performance rather than that gay ass technoraveboy or whatever his name is.


"Decepticon" as envisioned by UPS.


Mild Content warning, the word FUCK is used in the song, I hope noone is offended.  


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:43 PM (QTv8u)

39

And the song that was linked that forced me to out my full and complete name.


I don't know why, is it the exaggerated NY accent? is it the retarded teens?  I don't know. but I love thise fucking song.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:45 PM (QTv8u)

40

"Penn and Teller Get Killed?"


is that the one?


Yeah I saw it, it was sophia copella only with entertaining people, and a plot that wasn't so confusingly inane.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:47 PM (QTv8u)

41

WP, you were caught offguard? That dood is queerer than a $3 bill. It's hard to forget that level of queerness.


forged rite, good pick. That first song that it reminded of was Obsession by Animotion.


This is a newer better version with hot chicks who come in three flavors -- vanilla, chocolate, and coffee.


Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 05:48 PM (dsK4l)

42

I never understood taking a libertarian stance on abortion.


Either it is murder or it isn't. If it isn't, why is it so shitty? Who cares? Abort your heart out.


If it is murder, HELL NO people don't have a right to choose, or a right to learn mistakes the hard way!


People who think it's bad, but should still be allowed....I don't get.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 05:50 PM (Uh5fR)

43

My attention was diverted by Jermaine Stewart!


Really, with Jermaine Stewart in your face, you suddenly get a case of cold sores, even though you don't, just to get him to leave as fast as possible, while you tell the girl you are near, that you agree with his basic attitudes. . . . .unless you really want to?  Do you?  NO really, do you? Oh you do disagree? so you wanna fuck? cool.


THANK you Jermaine Stewart!


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 05:51 PM (QTv8u)

44

I basicaly think that people should be left alone until they fuck up, and then they should be told that they fucked up and then be punished. I'm 100% in agreement with you so far. 


I don't know whats right and wrong, I know what I've learned... Sounds to me like you know exactly what is right and wrong. Now, the question is whether that is actually "learned" that as you first stated... I noticed you mention that it's natural "if you have a proper upbringing... or a shitty one." I would posit that it's ingrained in any non-evil person from birth. An instinct, if you will (the basis of humanity?).


Abortion - This isn't the time or place to get into a theological deiscussion, I suppose, but I think even the most liberal of the nutroots know what is right or wrong, but have a hard time dealing with the reality of life, hence the justifications and rationalizations of their immoral actions. Me? - wrong as anything on earth, but not the govt's place, blah, blah, blah.


Sounding pretty Conservative (with strong Libertarian leanings) to me. A Classical Democrat, if I'm not mistaken.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 05:57 PM (Q8tsb)

45

Entropy,


Either it is murder or it isn't. If it isn't, why is it so shitty? Who cares? Abort your heart out.


I think there are degree's, I know it's seemingly hypocrytical, however, until "the breath of life" I can forgive a retarded person who is frightened.  Just like I can forgive a retarded conscript in the iranian army for shooting, because they are frightenend.


Non-sequitor, I know.  But, I think the goal is to help the young people who seek abortion, and to help them even if they accept it.


They fucked up, and for the most part there is no reason to punish them (unless they are lefty indoctrinated retards who see children as a cash cow) because they will likely punish themselves.


I remember in '98, or '99 there was a woman and in fact family, in southern california who promised to adopt the child of any homeless woman seeking a state funded abortion (yes, the left lies, there are a LOT of state funded abortions in the nation) she will be given a temporary home while carrying the child, she would be given access to educational assistance (not offered by the particular woman or family) and the child would be given a home, and, depending the "mother"/baby factory, might be allowed to visit the child.


All she had to do, was take the norplant (is that what it's called?"  the chopstick embedded with hormones so that women don't get pregnant for 4 years) and she will also recieve some sort of stipend.


LAWSUIT!!!!!!


LAWSUIT!!!!!!


LAWSUIT!!!!!!


The mother/family retracted the offer to the woman, and said she can raise it herself.


LAWSUIT!!!! <small>retracted</small>


LAWSUIT!!! <tiny> retracted</tiny>


I understand and I empathize entropy, but sometimes, sometimes, it's not as wrong as murder.  It's just wrong.


I MISS MY FUCKING PREVIEW!


Comments classic is far superior.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:00 PM (QTv8u)

46

FUCKING NEW COMMENTS!!!


If this is pixy's creation, why can he include tags on his doohickey but not on ours.


*pout*


SEE?! I'm reverting to GAY ASS AOL/chatroom emotificationalism!


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:04 PM (QTv8u)

47

So Frankly,


On abortion, you are a "government get your hands off their womb" kinda person?


I am, however I'm also a "you stupid slut! What were you thinking?!" kinda guy too.


I could expound, but it would be in violation of the "wickedpinto should be R rated" sorta thing.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:05 PM (QTv8u)

48

back to "video"


Quad City DJ's, flogging OWNED the clubs in 95 and 96.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:07 PM (QTv8u)

49

I am responsible for no children!


In fact in my MC days, all of the brothers except for one (lots of brothers, did you know black people could have positions in one of the Marine Corps's most exclusive MOS's at such I high quantity?  I bet you didn't know that SHARPTON! or MURTHA! (fucking retards))


Anyways, there were 5 brothers in my platoon, they all had children out of wedlock.  I one time was surprised when one of them was worried about something (never you mind) and mentioned his son back home. 


"you have a kid?"


"yeah"


"I never knew."


"I didn't till a few months ago."


"You are a fuck up, and they say white boys don't have rhythm."


(I had a reputation)


he was pissed for a minute, then he realized I wasn't kidding.


"don't launch until you have a clear view, I say the right nipple."


then it became a joke.


White boys might not dance, but we don't tend to do too bad when it comes to the rhythms that keep our wallets and souls mostly whole.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:18 PM (QTv8u)

50

Yes, WP. both. but I prefer the term Skank.


I tell anyone that is asks that I am very Pro-Choice. You don't want to get pregnant or deal with the consequences? CHOOSE to keep your fucking legs together. Choose not to knock boots with every dude that looks in your direction. Perhaps, realize that if you had an education and a little head start in life, not to mention a stable 2 parent household, it might be fair for any child coming into this brutal world if you were ready for him/her.


Or - choose to take it in the pooter just to be safe.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 06:19 PM (Q8tsb)

51

Amish?


Enough of this Faggot disco shit!


FUNNY!


 


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:19 PM (QTv8u)

52

Fuck this subdued homo-erotic expressionism through excessive masculinity, and discuss a valid philosophical argument about basic social oppression from a more male perspective!


Amish is a homophobe!


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:23 PM (QTv8u)

53

forged rite #36   Holy Crap! did that bring back some bad/good memories... I immediately thought of this.


Then there's always this guy... I'm the Man & Look Sharp are 2 of my all time favorite albums.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 06:30 PM (Q8tsb)

54

Or - choose to take it in the pooter just to be safe.


The pooter is the pooty, the cooter, the cooty, the missy, the meat curtains, the panty bacon, the "fly swatter" (I don't know why thats a nickname, but had a friend who called it that) the slit the gash the cooze.


The pooter is not the "chocolate star" the "throbbing apple," (I know what that means and it's disturbing that I knew someone who would say it with affection) the Hershey Starfish (I thought that was kinda witty)


Now, I agree with you.


Take it or don't.  In fact, I had a girlfriend (the first one I didn't excercise the "rythm" system with) and she slapped me.  Why? Oh, she was protected, but she was reacting based on ingrem? is that it? ingrem? an ingrained reaction, thats called and ingrem right?


Anyways, I was like "whats that for" "sorry, I'm not used to that" "well you to. . . ." "I know shut up, now clean yourself, we have to be to work tomorrow" or some shit like that.


Now thats a woman I can love, in fact did.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:30 PM (QTv8u)

55 Frankly, the fist pump about 1:50 into the first link is funny.  "I look gayer than Oscar Wilde, but I'm still tough" sort of thing.   That was funny.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:33 PM (QTv8u)

56

The second one?


Sounded like Elvis costello, but looked like Devo, after they woke up with a hangover from having gay sex with "sound of noise"


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:35 PM (QTv8u)

57 Rainn Wilson (Dwight from the Offce) is on SNL tonight - might be worth watching...

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 06:36 PM (Q8tsb)

58

second one - I couldn't quickly find a clip of Look Sharp or Fools in Love... do you know Jackson? Good post-punk movement shit.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 06:37 PM (Q8tsb)

59

I'm looking into if it is live, or if it is a re-broadcast.


he was on not that long ago, is it still live frankly?


Kinda sad that SNL is so isolated that they have to dip into the same pool twice this quickly.


the headline for my life?


It's raining, HARD! and I likes me some rain, waiting for the lightning.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:38 PM (QTv8u)

60 Rehashed pop punk.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:38 PM (QTv8u)

61

yeah re-run.


Not horrible.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:42 PM (QTv8u)

62 engram  –noun



1) a presumed encoding in neural tissue that provides a physical basis for the persistence of memory; a memory trace.
2) A physical alteration thought to occur in living neural tissue in response to stimuli, posited as an explanation for memory.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 06:43 PM (Q8tsb)

63

Thanks Frankly, that was the only two syllable word my wrestling coach ever spoke.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:45 PM (QTv8u)

64 I gotta go take care of bidness, but before i go.......

I know what you're thinking.
You're thinking......Abba's great, but they're just not gay enough.
What can be done about this you ask?
Well my friends......your dreams have come true.


Since i can't go out like that, here's a soothing little lullaby for this saturday night.

Posted by: forged rite at March 31, 2007 06:46 PM (0B8Rq)

65

I'm out, have to cook some asparagus, and then rack.


(thats so gay)


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 06:53 PM (QTv8u)

66

A Classical Democrat, if I'm not mistaken.


sigh...


You are mistaken...and so is WP....because small 'l' liberalism is not the core philosophy of the left. THey're marxists.


It's classical liberal not classical democrat. The democrat party was actually _never_ the liberal party, at least not since they stopped being the Democratic Republican party (aka the Republican party, aka Jeffersonians). And that was quite a bit before Lincoln's Republican party existed back then the Whigs were still in vogue.


The republicans were the small l liberals in 1840, and they are the small l liberals (or the closest you will get to them) today as well. And all the time in between.


One  


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:00 PM (Uh5fR)

67

A Classical Democrat, if I'm not mistaken.


sigh...


You are mistaken...and so is WP....because small 'l' liberalism is not the core philosophy of the left. THey're marxists.


It's classical liberal not classical democrat. The democrat party was actually _never_ the liberal party, at least not since they stopped being the Democratic Republican party (aka the Republican party, aka Jeffersonians). And that was quite a bit before Lincoln's Republican party existed back then the Whigs were still in vogue.


The republicans were the small l liberals in 1840, and they are the small l liberals (or the closest you will get to them) today as well. And all the time in between.


One of  


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:00 PM (Uh5fR)

68

A Classical Democrat, if I'm not mistaken.


sigh...


You are mistaken...and so is WP....because small 'l' liberalism is not the core philosophy of the left. THey're marxists.


It's classical liberal not classical democrat. The democrat party was actually _never_ the liberal party, at least not since they stopped being the Democratic Republican party (aka the Republican party, aka Jeffersonians). And that was quite a bit before Lincoln's Republican party existed back then the Whigs were still in vogue.


The republicans were the small l liberals in 1840, and they are the small l liberals (or the closest you will get to them) today as well. And all the time in between.


One of my  


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:00 PM (Uh5fR)

69

son of bitch new comments....


I don't know how the fuck that happened. Sorry.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:00 PM (Uh5fR)

70

What's with all the Metalheads? Do metal & BSG / scifi geeks necessarily go hand in hand? No homo reference intentionally implied there, but I guess it does make sense.


You all would stand youselves in good stead to turn on to some Gov't Mule,  (Thorazine Shuffle for you bass players) or maybe some good old Duane Allman.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:10 PM (Q8tsb)

71

They fucked up, and for the most part there is no reason to punish them (unless they are lefty indoctrinated retards who see children as a cash cow) because they will likely punish themselves


Um...but if you think abortion is murder, yes there is. They killed somebody for chrissakes.


And you don't let them go around murdering people in order to learn a lesson. Or help them figgure out it's wrong through councilling.


If someone murders your brother, you're going to want them jailed (at the least) or even friggin executed.


To allow abortion of any sort - UNLESS you are the sort who would also allow infanticide and even murder, there are some goof balls - then it can only be because you do not think abortion is murder, and you do not think a fetus is a person.


If so...someone who has an abortion, how have they 'fucked up'?


I know you don't beleive in abstinence until marriage. And if a fetus isn't a person, who cares? Abort em all and god will know his own. There's no problem here. It's not even a bad thing. It's a nifty convienence. Better to abort in many circumstances even.


Why is it bad at all, if it is not murder? Who cares?


I think...and this is just me...but I think most people - even pro-choice people - tend to see abortion as being "bad" because on some subconcious level they know damn well it is murder. There is a natural revulsion to it because of what it really is. But conciously they decide it's something less then that.


I'm pro-choice myself....under 6 weeks. Which, you know...6 weeks...basically I'm pro-morning after pill but that's about it.


And if you take the morning after pill, I don't think you "fucked up". Or should be "helped". I don't care. You go girl.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:12 PM (Uh5fR)

72

cook some asparagus


Is that what you kids are calling it these days?


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:12 PM (Q8tsb)

73

heheh Amish I was going to conclude with "One of my pet peeves" and end it there.


But then new commenty thing freaked out and went Rosie one me.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:14 PM (Uh5fR)

74

I stand corrected Entropy - classical liberal is exactly what I meant. But I certainly wasn't trying to compare the differences in the parties of 150+ years ago.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:20 PM (Q8tsb)

75

Yah frankly, I know...Like I said it's just a peeve of mine...alot of people (incorrectly if you ask me) conflate the two so I run around demanding clear differentiations.


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 07:28 PM (Uh5fR)

76 Actually, Ent, I scrolled back up & see that I actually said he may be a CL in my first post on the topic. I guess in modern times, the words Liberal and Democrat are (rightly or wrongly) pretty much synonymous, so I mistakenly used that term. Still, I appreciate the lesson and, for some strange reason, look forward to more. Preesh.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:40 PM (Q8tsb)

77 Colin Powell

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:41 PM (Q8tsb)

78

my point entropy is I don't know how to know how I feel.


Which is worse than not knowing.


I need to go launch a torpedoe, and then piss some smelly urine (I really ate about a pound of asparagus.)


My piss is so gonna stink.


FUCK you tasty and texturely pleasent asparagus! for the stanky bathroom that follows.


ARGH!


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 07:42 PM (QTv8u)

79

Willie Nelson


Here's one for you: HINT - she's now a talk show host/truther.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:50 PM (Q8tsb)

80

Entropy:  under 6 weeks


The wording of your your post makes me think that is not an arbitrary number for you. Where does 'six weeks' come from? Does that mean you don't believe that life begins at conception? If so, seems al ittle contradictory to your argument.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 07:58 PM (Q8tsb)

81 that last one is just a frog - try again.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:02 PM (Q8tsb)

82 Bo Derek

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:04 PM (Q8tsb)

83 Ursula Andress?

Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 08:14 PM (HA9eK)

84

Really? I may not know the difference between the whigs, the federalists or the tories, but I know my pop culture,dammit!


Those eyes said Bo - let me look again


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:15 PM (Q8tsb)

85 maybe Linda Evans? That would be mean, simply because of the obscurity

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:19 PM (Q8tsb)

86

The wording of your your post makes me think that is not an arbitrary number for you.


It's not.


Where does 'six weeks' come from?


Well, (for a start) that is when it becomes a fetus. Before that it is a "zygote" or an "embryo". If you didn't know, embryo is actually Latin, it literally means something like "precursor". Fetus is also latin, and it it literally means "offspring", child, baby.


At 6 weeks (roughly) when it becomes a fetus, it has all the parts. Not all fully developed and working, granted (some won't start working or be fully developed for a decade...maybe two and half) but they're all there.


At 12 weeks, the brain patterns in the fetus (as well as the behavior in the womb, sucking the thumb, ect) are virtually identical to a newborn. And this, the brainscan, is what makes it a "person". I don't fret over "pulling the plug" on people who had their brainstems blown off because they are dead. But I (like most people) am against killing infants. My starting point is that infanticide is clearly morally wrong and I'm opposed to it. Now...an 8 month 20 day old 'fetus' is obviously not meaningful different then a 2 day old baby! Nothing terribly special happens when it pops out. So killing it at 8 months and 20 days is the same as throwing a 2 week old in a trashbin. It's murder. I then work backword, to when the fetus is no longer comparable to an infant.


I don't know and can't say exactly when life begins, but that doesn't mean I can't ballpark it any better then 9 months! I say it's somewhere around 6-12 weeks on average.


Does that mean you don't believe that life begins at conception?


Life does....yes. "Personhood" does not, no. It's not possible. It has no damn brain. It has no nervous system at conception. It's too small and too simple. It's just a clump of cells.


Again, I'm not opposed to 'pulling the plug' on braindead people.


Is it alive? Oh yes. Simple biology. IT IS. Is it a unique being? Oh yes. It is NOT an appendage. This is 5th grade biology. Is it human? Well it sure as fuck isn't a hamster.


But so is a brain dead vegetable. It is alive and it is human and it is a unique being, not an appendage.


But is it a PERSON? A vegetable is not. It is technically alive...but I don't see it as murder to pull the plug on a totally brain dead person. Nor do most people. And I say, an embryo is not a person.


If so, seems al ittle contradictory to your argument.


Not, I think, once you here me make a distinction between "alive" and "a person".


Posted by: Entropy at March 31, 2007 08:19 PM (Uh5fR)

87 Cheryl Tiegs?

Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 08:30 PM (h61SF)

88 Cybil Shepard?

Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 08:31 PM (h61SF)

89 Mouthy Brown?

Posted by: 11 years ago at March 31, 2007 08:33 PM (h61SF)

90 Candice Bergen?

Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 08:34 PM (h61SF)

91

I'm not looking at the answer yet, so don't give it up! Good guesses, 11 - I was trying to think of Cybils's name when he said bitch. I think the clue that I need to focus on is "her father... partner was a dummy"


NEXT!


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:37 PM (Q8tsb)

92 Frances Farmer?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 08:40 PM (QTv8u)

93

Saw a boomer special on PBS Wed nite.  They had a boomer band, with Tony Snow on flute. 


They sucked.


Now, I like Tony Snow, and I grieve for him for his health problems (I myself had a third of my colon removed recently, for $40,000, no insurance; so yes, I sympathize.)


You just can't get good music out of a band of sober middle-aged successful corporate executives.  They play all of the notes precisely, and have a righteous attitude, but they. just. don't. rock.


You need musicians who are young, extremely stupid and naive, wrecked-on-some-drug, to get good music, most of the time.  There are exceptions, but ...


 


Posted by: gp at March 31, 2007 08:40 PM (F0Wjj)

94 WE ARE THE PRESIDENT!

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:48 PM (Q8tsb)

95

Well, I insisted that I live thru the procedure.  That was a deal-breaker.


Surgeon $3500.


Anesthetist $2500.


Pathology $1000.


Gastreoenteroetcetera $1500.


Rust-Belt Hospital (seven days) $30,000(!)


I'm now researching medical-tourism.


 


Posted by: gp at March 31, 2007 08:52 PM (F0Wjj)

96

Again, Thanks, Entropy for the thoughtful response. Whooda thunk I could learn something at this here moronblog?


Now... I still can't help but think that if one is SO opposed to abortion, then one MUST(?) be opposed at any stage. What about that potential life? I should call that the potential HUMAN life.


Maybe that ambiguity is because the average woman might not know until she's close to your 6 wk cutoff point. I certainly understand your scientific/biological reasoning, but I guess abortion is such an emotional issue for most, that I can't help but wonder... I've really only been exposed to the black/white of the debate, no grey area (or grey matter, as you posit).


What about 5 1/2 wks? 6 1/2? AHH - silly questions, I suppose. Where's RWS when you need her?


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 08:53 PM (Q8tsb)

97

Murphy Brown was in Carnal Knowledge.


Ann Margaret was also in Carnal Knowledge.


Ann Margaret should have got naked a lot more when she was young. She was born 30 years too late. If she had been born in 70's, we would have seen a whole lot more of Ann Margaret, if you know what I mean.


Re: the pic


That's president #42 and #44.


 


Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 08:56 PM (h61SF)

98 As to older folks and their ability to rock: I will defer to my earlier post and direct you all to check out Gov't Mule. Absolutely the best jam band around. Phuck Phish and all their patchoulie oil wearing phreaks. The Deepest End may well be the best live album ever recorded. Period.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 09:01 PM (Q8tsb)

99

Yeah, on the wall at the hospital waiting-room, they have a sign that says $750/day.  (actually worked out to $4200/day.) And my gastroenteroloetceteraist said it would cost $8K-$10K total.


Now I know I should have got the itemized bill and disputed the helloutofit.


They saw I was uninsured, saw my Bush-boom wealth gains, and hyper-hosed me.  Next time, I go to India.  Medical Tourism Rocks!


 


Posted by: gp at March 31, 2007 09:05 PM (F0Wjj)

100

Is she doable?
In that photo, she's bangin'. Like a storm door during Hurricane Katrina. But, I'll bet it's Helen Thomas or Madeline Notallthatbright or something, based on your qualifiers.


Give me a minute...


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 09:06 PM (Q8tsb)

101 Barbara Bush?

Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 09:07 PM (h61SF)

102 Yeah, but the important thing is that you'll be alive for Hillary's presidency.

Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 09:09 PM (h61SF)

103 Bart took the words out of my mouth! I think it's the eyes.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 09:10 PM (Q8tsb)

104

Even if HillDog is elected in 2008, I definitely want to be alive.


I vote TO BE ALIVE in 2009.  Even if HillDog is elected.  Beats the alternative.  Besides, it looks like we're going to have universal healthcare no matter what.  So thank all of you, ahead of time, for paying to keep me alive, if it comes to that.


I look forward to the day when Universal Health Care keeps us all alive forever.


 


Posted by: gp at March 31, 2007 09:17 PM (F0Wjj)

105

Oh, an yeah, I'd bone her.


Even now.


Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 09:18 PM (h61SF)

106

AoSHQ Intermission


Feel free to turn up the volume.


Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 09:20 PM (Q8tsb)

107

Why do all the funny fat ones die so young?


Dom Deluise is still alive. Roseanne is still alive. Rosie is still alive.


But John Candy had to die young. Why?


 


Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 09:32 PM (h61SF)

108

My stupid computer keeps fucking with the clock.


Why can't Windows leave my shit alone?


Fuck you, Bill Gates, and stop fucking with my settings.


 


Posted by: Bart at March 31, 2007 09:36 PM (h61SF)

109 Face facts, Bart - it's the Joos.

Posted by: Frankly at March 31, 2007 09:38 PM (Q8tsb)

110

Thats Babsy bush amish?


Man, I'd prolly hit gramma harder than the grankid babs, but I think that babs the grandaughter would be better in bed.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 09:45 PM (QTv8u)

111 Bill Hicks was pretty funny, when he was being funny.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 31, 2007 09:46 PM (QTv8u)

112 This is what you get for stealing the washroom key.  Karma baby, karma.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 01, 2007 02:02 AM (yikpN)

113 I loved House 2 (Devin DeVasquez is worth the price of admission), but off topic: someone hacked Right Wing News.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2007 06:08 AM (wmgz8)

114 Is it a hack, or an april fool's gag?

Posted by: Slublog at April 01, 2007 06:20 AM (6WBr3)

115

I still can't help but think that if one is SO opposed to abortion, then one MUST(?) be opposed at any stage.


I don't understand why. Like I said, after 12 weeks for certain, I beleive you are actually commiting an act of infanticide. So I am SO opposed to that. In fact, I'd say premeditated murder for the doctor and accessory to murder/conspiracy to murder for the mother.


Before 6 weeks (before maybe, 5 weeks to allow for different rates of development) I do not beleive it is murder, any more then it is murder if one twin embryo absorbs another inside the womb. (they can actually do stuff like this at this stage..that's how characteristically not a baby they are). So why would I be against it? Not only do I not think it's murder, I don't even think it's a marginally bad thing to do. No more "wrong" then a game of ping-pong is wrong. Totally morally neutral.


What about 5 1/2 wks? 6 1/2?


Well, it is my understanding that it is not precisely 6 weeks because every fetus develops slightly differently. For one particular fetus, it might be classified as a "fetus" at only 5 1/2 weeks. So that is a hairy issue.


The way I feel about it is, as I said, 6-12 weeks is the area. So 6 weeks is at the very start of that window, it is the cautious side. So I can live with that, begrudgingly, because even with a quickly developing fetus he's not going to be 12 weeks developed at only 5 weeks 6 days. And it may or may not be murder at that stage. I'm not sure.


If you want to move it back another two weeks to create a safe buffer zone, I think that is a prudent idea. I'm very happy saying 4 weeks.


The problem, of course, is you don't even know you're pregnant at 4 weeks. Maybe not even 6 weeks. I can't help that...I didn't come up with this time with the goal of making it too early to act on. I'm just looking at the biology.


So basically again, I'm for the morning after pill but not much more.


As far as the 'potential human' and all that...meh. It's not a baby. The fact that it will become a baby is fine and dandy, it's still not a baby yet. A sperm cell is a potential baby too....and some people might argue masturbation is wrong because you're killing sperm.


Posted by: Entropy at April 01, 2007 07:18 AM (Uh5fR)

116 Finaly, the moment AoS readers have been waiting for (at least the ones voting in the strw poll)

Tommy Thompson is in!!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070401/ap_on_el_pr/thompson2008

Posted by: corn at April 01, 2007 07:27 AM (yHvEo)

117

I guess that kinda fits into it.


You might look at a zygote and say "That's a potential human".


But it's also potentially 2 humans. Or 4 humans. Or .5 humans. 1 zygote might end up producing 2 kids or 2 zygotes might end up producing 1.


It's not a kid. It's a percursor to a kid.


Posted by: Entropy at April 01, 2007 07:28 AM (Uh5fR)

118 forged rite's things to do list-

1. Mow lawn

2. Kill Osama Bin Laden

3. Spank it to Barbara Bush

Posted by: forged rite at April 01, 2007 08:09 AM (rwjVb)

119

Finally!


I just rememered that song that I was confusing Skid Row with.


This song was played eighty-kajillion times in 1992.


They look like Skid Row -- skinny, long hair, etc.


The main difference is that Mr. Big was comprised of damn good musicians.  Billy Sheehan played with David Lee Roth and in Talas.  Paul Gilbert was in Racer X and is generally regarded as one of the best alternate pickers in rock.  He is touring this year with Joe Satriani and Steve Vai (who actually played with Billy Sheehan with DLR) on G3.


Ignore that song (To Be With You).  Check out "Green-Tinted Sixties Mind" instead.  Badass.


Posted by: otcconan at April 01, 2007 08:57 AM (08VEp)

120

And...


Nobody really knows where Matt Stone sits.  Trey Parker comes off as a Libertarian to me.  They told stories in a recent Rolling Stone feature about going to Hollywood parties and telling the other guests that George W. Bush is "a great man."  In truth, though, Stone and Parker are anti-whatever it is popular to be.  And they did say something to the effect that it takes more balls to be conservative in Hollywood these days.


Posted by: otcconan at April 01, 2007 08:59 AM (08VEp)

121

Amish,


That  video of JC's last performance is awesome.


Posted by: mesablue at April 01, 2007 10:23 AM (DzeyU)

122 Is it a hack, or an april fool's gag?


Might be yeah, I hadn't considered the date. That would fit John's sense of humor for certain. Protein Wisdom being down a couple days made me wonder though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2007 03:44 PM (wmgz8)

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