October 31, 2011

Politico Report: Herman Cain Accused Of Sexual Harassment While He Ran National Restaurant Association
— DrewM

The Cain campaign is getting a crash course in being the frontrunner today.

During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.

The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures.

In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Cain and his campaign repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the restaurant association. They have also declined to address questions about specific reporting confirming that there were financial settlements in two cases in which women leveled complaints.

POLITICO has confirmed the identities of the two female restaurant association employees who complained about Cain but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.

Cain's camp has denied the allegations.

“Fearing the message of Herman Cain who is shaking up the political landscape in Washington, Inside the Beltway media have begun to launch unsubstantiated personal attacks on Cain,” J.D. Gordon said in an e-mail message Sunday night. “Dredging up thinly sourced allegations stemming from Mr. Cain’s tenure as the Chief Executive Officer at the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, political trade press are now casting aspersions on his character and spreading rumors that never stood up to the facts.”

Mark Block, Cain's campaign manager, was just on MSNBC and he echoed the original denial.

Cain is in DC today doing events at AEI and the National Press Club. He'll no doubt be addressing the allegations at some point today.

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1 name the nameless women........

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 04:22 AM (SH3gZ)

2

The Cain campaign is getting a crash course in being the frontrunner today.

And it should be more telling how they handle then the substance of the allegations. Cain's first response "you ever been sued for sexual harrassment" was not the best response (hint....Herman.....say "there is no substance to the claim and we will discuss it in greater detail shortly")

The test today is on Cain's staff.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 04:24 AM (OWjjx)

3 sexual harassment is a pretty icky issue...as you really can't prove your innocence in those situations

Posted by: proudonkey at October 31, 2011 04:24 AM (NadeK)

4 Clarence Thomas part 2?

Posted by: rjs3455 at October 31, 2011 04:26 AM (xF2yI)

5 You know who this helps?

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 04:27 AM (wuv1c)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 04:27 AM (8y9MW)

7 Gordon calling into Geraldo didn't help much.

See how it plays out.

Posted by: workingclass artist at October 31, 2011 04:27 AM (tBMfq)

8 "Leftwing newspaper issues sourceless smear of GOP candidate."

Doesn't sound very newsworthy when you say it like that.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 04:28 AM (FkKjr)

9 As I said earlier, because Cain has no actual record his evaluation depended entirely on his rhetoric and how well you can trust him on his word. I said in his eval that since he had been married for 40+ years and no hint of scandal that his word was good.

If people believe this BS it will hurt him bad. Too bad it is impossible to sue a damn news outfit since NYT vs Sullivan.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 04:29 AM (YdQQY)

10 Folks will get their panties in a wad about this for a few days. In the end, those that would vote for a conservative candidate will see it for what it is, Palinization. The MSM exposed themselves for what they are. They don't even attempt to hide it anymore. Of course most here know that already but more and more people learn everyday.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 04:29 AM (ZDUD4)

11 Well, we do know that Obama didn't sexually harass any women.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:29 AM (7enUC)

12 "Sexual Harassment" is one of the most vile accusations which can be leveled against someone (usually a man).  It's made all the worse by the "eye of the beholder" standard US Jurisprudence seems to have adopted (that is: if someone is offended by it, it's offensive- even if everyone else involved knew that it was a joke/misstatement/whatever), that means no proof of harassment is needed, just the accusation.

As such, I've gotten to a point where I dismiss these kinds of things out-of-hand unless there is some compelling reason to believe otherwise (say, for example: the accused is a Clinton).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 04:29 AM (8y9MW)

13 dagny, what are you implying?

Posted by: proudonkey at October 31, 2011 04:30 AM (NadeK)

14 I didn't notice the level of Geraldo's accent until he was screaching on the phone to Cain's campaign guy. Shudder.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:30 AM (7enUC)

15

My first reaction to the Cain story was that the establishment Republicans were trying to kneecap Cain because he's getting some traction against their hand-picked boy Mittens.

After thinking about it a little longer I started wondering if Cain's people leaked this themselves in order to deal with it at a time of their own choosing. If you know that the story's going to come out eventually, why not leak it when it does the least amount of damage? Also, by leaking it yourself you also control the response because you know it's coming and you can blame it on the Republican establishment, which would be devoured by a large number of primary voters.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 04:31 AM (JxMoP)

16

I see Romney has enlisted Politico to take out the conservative competition, much like they did w. Fred Thompson in 2008.  An attack by politico on Cain is no more credible than an attack by politico on anyone else, unless for some reason one has a vested interest in depicting cain in the worst light possible.

"Allegations" of "sexually suggestive" behavior that makes someone "angry and uncomfortable" is the thinnest of gruel.  Anyone who has worked in the corporate world knows there is no standard of proof or evidentiary requirement for such allegations.  AND, there is no proof that these allegations did not arise until after the accusers' departures were a foregone conclusion / fait accompli. 

Also, the arrangements that Politico tries to make sound so suspicious ("signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association.") are entirely consistent with non-disclosure / severance arrangements for a laid off employee.  The provision barring them from discussing details of their departure are fairly standard across the corporate world.  If you look closely, there isn't even a contention in the politico story that these agreements are substantively linked to the allegations.

But...let's not let a lack of facts get in the way of the cain hate.

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 04:31 AM (YQ4mh)

17 as you really can't prove your innocence in those situations

Proudonkey says something intelligent?  Now that's newsworthy.

Really, though, this is part of the problem: Herman Cain shouldn't have to "prove his innocence" (he does anyway), the accusers should have to prove their allegations.  Why is it only in "harassment" that accusation = proof?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 04:32 AM (8y9MW)

18 I started wondering if Cain's people leaked this themselves in order to deal with it at a time of their own choosing. If you know that the story's going to come out eventually, why not leak it when it does the least amount of damage? Also, by leaking it yourself you also control the response because you know it's coming and you can blame it on the Republican establishment, which would be devoured by a large number of primary voters. Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 09:31 AM (JxMoP) I was just thinking the same thing

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 04:32 AM (i6RpT)

19 Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 09:31 AM I don't think Cains campaign is that cunning. The clumsy response to Gerry Rivers should put your theory to rest.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 04:33 AM (ZDUD4)

20

Why is it only in "harassment" that accusation = proof?

Because he's a Republican.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:33 AM (sbV1u)

21 I have read this statement over and over, and I don't see a denial here. I see a statement that the allegations are thinly sourced. The closest to a denial is "the allegations never stood up to the facts," but that at best is an awkward way of putting "nothing of this sort happened.". It could just as easily mean, something happened, but not as much as is alleged. Indeed, on Geraldo last night, the Cain spokesman repeatedly deflected the question "Are you denying the charges against Herman Cain?" on multiple occasions. If he can't deny this, he needs to explain it, rather than attacking the source and hoping it goes away.

Posted by: Boone at October 31, 2011 04:34 AM (Jl3Mu)

22 So it's Herm's day in the JournoList barrel.

Posted by: toby928 Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 04:34 AM (IfkGz)

23 I said this in the last post, but I will say it again. My dad was in this association, and also sued. If after Cain was sued he retained his position, he was/is innocent. The association does settle, but if the person who was sued is guilty, they are asked to resign. There is a very good chance that Cain does not know much about the lawsuit. Usually the whole matter is turned over to the attorneys, and the settlement is never discussed.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 04:34 AM (6IV8T)

24 I smell the Palin treatment here, and not just by the left.  It won't be long before the wise sages on the right sigh, "It may not be fair, but unfortunately Cain's brand has been so damaged by this, it's now impossible for him to be elected president.  And so, we must regretfully turn our eyes to (insert favorite RINO candidate here)..."

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 31, 2011 04:35 AM (2kVso)

25 Let's ask Obama's old girlfriends what he was like back then.Wait! What? He didn't have any old girlfriends? No dates at all? How odd! Not a single female has ever come forward and said she went out with him, screwed him, kissed him, dated him? Really? Not ONE? How extraordinary! Hmmm. I wonder why? Let's ask the Pakistani boy he was living with and see if he knows.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:35 AM (7enUC)

26

Geraldo asked his campaign man multiple times to deny that this happened. The guy would not do it. He just kept repeating his points about a poorly sourced attack.

It was very alarming to me that his campaign guy refused to simply say it was not true.

I think we are going to have to face the troubling fact that it may be true that two women were paid off because of their accusations. That doesn't mean their accusations were true but I do think that this happened.

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 04:36 AM (xeVap)

27

It could just as easily mean, something happened, but not as much as is alleged.

It could also just as easily mean "They're golddiggers who saw an opportunity, so I saved myself 5 years in court and endless legal fees and I paid them off.  Oh, and note the low settlement figure [< 6 figures] which implies something about the merits of their case."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:36 AM (sbV1u)

28 I said this in the last post, but I will say it again. My dad was in this association, and also sued. If after Cain was sued he retained his position, he was/is innocent. The association does settle, but if the person who was sued is guilty, they are asked to resign. There is a very good chance that Cain does not know much about the lawsuit. Usually the whole matter is turned over to the attorneys, and the settlement is never discussed. Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 09:34 AM (6IV8T) That's all fine and dandy, but I am 57 and I never had a sexual suit or allegations brought against me.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 04:36 AM (i6RpT)

29 I'm still waitng for Politicola and the rest ofthe pro-dem media to tell me about John Edwards(D) corruption.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 31, 2011 04:37 AM (O7ksG)

30 Sexual harassment is one of the few legal structures in which one is guilty until proven innocent.  It is totally subjective and based on the perception of the accuser.  Most are total bullshit, but unfortunately the stigma remains regardless of the outcome.

Posted by: Libra at October 31, 2011 04:37 AM (kd8U8)

31 I don't know.  If I was the media I'd be really wary of this story.  Cause I don't know, I wouldn't put it past the Cain camp to be setting them up.  link

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 04:38 AM (k1rwm)

32

Let's ask the Pakistani boy he was living with and see if he knows.

While we're add it let's ask Obama's dealer how bad his cocaine habit was.

Wait!  What am I saying?!?!?!  He's a Democrat?  We can't do that!

It says so right here in paragraph 5.5 of the New York Times Ethics Guide.

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:38 AM (sbV1u)

33 These accusations were apparently documented when they occured, which lend them far more credibility than the Anita Hill accusations. We don't know if the accusatioons themselves are true or not, but the fact that they occured is pretty likely considering how long Politico has been working on the story (three weeks) and the number of people they have interviewed for it( at least six). If it turns out the Politico is making this up out of whole cloth, they will be grossly discredited. But if Herman Cain is lying about whether or not this settlement exists, his campaign is over.

Posted by: Recluse spider at October 31, 2011 04:38 AM (eScuN)

34

I think the idea that Cain settled with these women out of court and had the settlement sealed reflects badly.  He was most likely following the advice of a scum sucking lawyer in doing this, but I think not fighting charges like this gives an appearance of some level of guilt.  It puts him in a no win situation in trying to explain it.  I don't think this will hurt him much, however, because these kinds of charges have been way over-played in the past several years.  We shall see.

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 04:39 AM (sFD5n)

35 It was bound to happen.  If Perry ever regains the lead, expect the rumours about him being a Texas Woodsprite to start popping up again.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at October 31, 2011 04:39 AM (+inic)

36 I started wondering if Cain's people leaked this themselves in order to deal with it at a time of their own choosing. Have you heretofore noticed the Cain campaign being well-organized and masterful? The candidate himself is great, but the campaign? Yikes. Of course, in 2008 our media proudly cited Barack Obama's stewardship of successful primary and presidential campaigns as proof positive Barry was sure to be the best President evar.

Posted by: Brendon Carr at October 31, 2011 04:39 AM (97Y1f)

37

That's all fine and dandy, but I am 57 and I never had a sexual suit or allegations brought against me.

Have you ever been the CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:39 AM (sbV1u)

38

I think we are going to have to face the troubling fact that it may be true that two women were paid off because of their accusations. That doesn't mean their accusations were true but I do think that this happened.

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 09:36 AM (xeVap)

What's troubling about that?  This happens in any large organization where some ditzy skeezer gets paid off because of some bullshit claim is easier to make go away by paying her some small amount than the expense of a prolonged trial where nothing can be proved. 

Prove to me that El JEFe didn't suck Larry Sinclair's cock for blow.  Can you prove that didn't happen?  That's what this is.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 04:40 AM (G6SvX)

39 haha dagny.... didn't that guy turn up dead?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 04:40 AM (SH3gZ)

40

It could also just as easily mean "They're golddiggers who saw an opportunity, so I saved myself 5 years in court and endless legal fees and I paid them off.  Oh, and note the low settlement figure [< 6 figures] which implies something about the merits of their case."

Yeah, when I heard the reported amount I started questioning it as well.

A woman at a place I used to work openly bragged about a settlement that she had squeezed out of a former employer (not for sexual harassment, I think it was a BS injury claim). It wasn't a big settlement either, $25K or something like that, but boy was she proud of it.

For some reason, no one trusted her.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 04:40 AM (JxMoP)

41 Vetting!...it's only for Rethuglican, erah, Republican candidates!

Posted by: Main Stream Media at October 31, 2011 04:41 AM (R3k3C)

42 So we can assume that the Bill Clinton standard applies to all politicians, right? Cain gets to ignore the allegations for decades before they are ultimately swept under the rug and forgotten. Unless the MSM is racist, of course...

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 31, 2011 04:42 AM (Qjh0I)

43

LYNCH.

This is soooooo predictable. I'm still pissed at Cain for responding to the racist rock, however, the idea that some waitress probably accused the powerful black man of sexual harassement and was paid to stfu would be conspicuous if this were absent.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:44 AM (7enUC)

44

“…so I saved myself 5 years in court and endless legal fees and I paid them off.”

 

That type of thinking doesn’t wash here.  According the AoS theory, anyone seeking public office should fight every legal battle to the bitter end even if it bankrupts you, your family, your employees and ruins everything you’ve ever worked for.

 

Cain obviously isn’t qualified for the office.

Posted by: jwest at October 31, 2011 04:44 AM (qeYI9)

45 Well, since Rove has already come out "not to bury Cain, but to praise him"--in other word, to bury him, I think my suspicions that Romney or Rove or the establishment Repubs are behind this are closer to being confirmed. I want Perry to win, but I don't dislike Cain. Too bad I can' t say the same about Romney and the forces trying so hard to push him to the front of the line.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 04:44 AM (6IV8T)

46 8 years of Obama thanks a lot jerkoffs

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:44 AM (052zE)

47 That's all fine and dandy, but I am 57 and I never had a sexual suit or allegations brought against me. Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 09:36 AM Then drop to your knees and thank the ultimate causal power of your choice. Whomever started this is banking on the ignorance of the masses when it comes to Human Resource policy in large organizations. Paying off litigious employees has been common place for a few decades. This includes confidentiality agreements. If these suppose aggrieved individuals violated these agreements that should tell you who and what you are dealing with.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 04:45 AM (ZDUD4)

48

What's troubling about that?  This happens in any large organization where some ditzy skeezer gets paid off because of some bullshit claim is easier to make go away by paying her some small amount than the expense of a prolonged trial where nothing can be proved. 

 

Whats troubling is that there were two women involved.

Also, it's not the crime it's the coverup that always gets you. His guy should have said yes it happened and explained it or no it didn't happen. The fact that he avoided answering the question is what will cause people to believe it. And I am talking about John Q. Public, not those of us who are more involved politically.

If this happened, even if it was bs and the payoff was easier and he wasn't guilty.....his campaign is over if he denies that it happened.

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 04:45 AM (xeVap)

49 That's all fine and dandy, but I am 57 and I never had a sexual suit or allegations brought against me. Have you ever been the CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation? Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 09:39 AM (sbV1u) Nope, but I've had many many females working for me in close contact and I've worked with many many females in the Navy also in close contact. And I am not buying that argument that his happens to everyone. Now so far these charges are unproven. But from what I have read, it is troubling

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 04:46 AM (i6RpT)

50

Cain obviously isn’t qualified for the office.

I know that's snark, but that happens to be my position.

But that doesn't mean he's guilty as charged.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:46 AM (sbV1u)

51 Yawn.  Nontrovery.

Posted by: dogfish at October 31, 2011 04:46 AM (N2yhW)

52 I did not have sex with those women.

Posted by: Salami Layer at October 31, 2011 04:46 AM (EL+OC)

53 And what's this "1990's" shit? This is journalism? Cannot even tell us the exact year it happened?

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (j7IJ7)

54 That's all fine and dandy, but I am 57 and I never had a sexual suit or allegations brought against me.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 09:36 AM (i6RpT)

Nor have I. But the way the laws are written, and the difficulty of disproving the charge, make it very easy for a woman to ruin an innocent man with little more than the will to do it. The laws are shit, for the most part, and little more than an invitation for false accusation from someone with an agenda.

Posted by: maddogg at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (OlN4e)

55

Have you heretofore noticed the Cain campaign being well-organized and masterful? The candidate himself is great, but the campaign? Yikes.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

Again, I question the timing. This could have been leaked by the DC Republican establishment, but why do it this far out? Why not wait until a couple of weeks before Iowa or in between Iowa and NH, or even hold it in reserve until you really need to play it?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (JxMoP)

56 13 dagny, what are you implying?

Posted by: proudonkey at October 31, 2011 09:30 AM (NadeK)

 

Yes Dagny, leave Obama alone!!! 

Posted by: Kal Penn, Larry Sinclair and that crying guy at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (fYOZx)

57 I even misspell made up words.  Nontroversy.

Posted by: dogfish at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (N2yhW)

58 If it turns out the Politico is making this up out of whole cloth, they will be grossly discredited. But if Herman Cain is lying about whether or not this settlement exists, his campaign is over.

These sentences are both based on false premises.

First: Politico has already been "grossly discredited" in regards to reporting scandals about Conservatives (and Republicans more generally).

Second: Herman Cain (and his campaign) are not denying the settlement exists (which would be super stupid, since it's a matter of record), they're saying that the facts don't support the allegations.  The "allegations" are of sexual harassment.  Indeed, they are allegations that are themselves so non-specific as to be pointless.

I'm going to agree here: he was a well positioned, relatively rich man: that makes the chances of "gold digging" much greater.  I recall in the Cowboys scandals of the mid-90's (when so many of them got busted for drugs and such) that a few women showed up, made very specific allegations, and then disappeared once they were paid off.  In at least one of those (and I think all of them) the allegations were all eventually proven false- or at least proven not to be "harassment" in the sense that any normal human would accept.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 04:47 AM (8y9MW)

59

Nope, but I've had many many females working for me in close contact and I've worked with many many females in the Navy also in close contact.

Money does strange things to people.  You can't even remotely compare your experience to his.  Apples and oranges.

People see a deep wallet and they lose whatever little morals they had.  While I have no idea  for sure - and neother do you - odds are that's what happened here.

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:48 AM (sbV1u)

60 Intentional? Sunday night was a piss-poor "convenient" time to break the story, as was their "well-planned" response to La Rivera. Cripes, I thought we'd be talking about his comments on Margaret Sanger today, and I was tickled... So I do NOT think this was a "self-leak."

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 31, 2011 04:48 AM (PYxvn)

61 nevergiveup, you must be a RINO!

Posted by: proudonkey at October 31, 2011 04:48 AM (NadeK)

62 Herman Cain. He'll rape your women and say stupid shit while doing so.

Herman Cain. Wrong for Women. Wrong for America.

Posted by: Paid for by Romney for POTUS at October 31, 2011 04:48 AM (40Wzt)

63 39 haha dagny....


didn't that guy turn up dead?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 09:40 AM (SH3gZ)

Really? I don't know. He was arkansided? Or he just disappeared into Pokiston.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:49 AM (7enUC)

64 didn't that guy turn up dead?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 09:40 AM (SH3gZ)

I didn't think Barry's wealthy Pakistani benefactor died. 

There was a rumor that many men of a suspected proclivity from Rev. Wright's church started dying around the time Barry was running for office.  Poorly sourced, of course, but then it passes Politico muster.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 04:49 AM (FkKjr)

65 Also, it should be noted that even if the allegations were leveled at Cain, they were in his capacity as CEO and any legal decision regarding the claim would be that of the corporation/corporate counsel NOT Cain personally. Thus, those above who use the settlement or claims of lack of knowledge on the part of Cain as a means to attack his character are either being disingenuous or misinformed about how these matters are resolved.  It could very well be true that Cain was named in these allegations (as the CEO of NRA) and not been personally involved in the litigation/settlement of the matter, as it is counsels' job to handle these legal matters on behalf of the corporation, not on behalf of Cain himself. 

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 04:49 AM (YQ4mh)

66 Oh, come on. For many black men, there is no possible social situation in which it would be inappropriate to hit on a woman. Fortunately, Herman Cain is not "many black men." Raise your hand, ladies, if you've never had a black man say, "Hey girl, hey girl, HEY GIRL! Come holla at a brotha." Contest not open to residents of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Iowa, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, Montana and Rhode Island.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 04:50 AM (vzFJV)

67

I can't wait for NOW to come to Cain's defense like they did Clinton's.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 04:50 AM (fYOZx)

68 Why not wait until a couple of weeks before Iowa or in between Iowa and NH, or even hold it in reserve until you really need to play it?

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 09:47 AM (JxMoP)


The obvious answer is that they are saving the "really bad stuff".  

This would be a good bet, is it the dems? the libs? the republicans?  the people in the agencies Cain wants to dismantle?  "journolists like geraldo" who only want ratings and admit they wouldn't run for public office themselves because of how cheesy their profession is.

If the foreign press passed on this one, makes you wonder.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 04:50 AM (k1rwm)

69 And I am not buying that argument that his happens to everyone.

Not, it doesn't happen to everyone.  But it does happen with a disturbing frequency to those who are rich and have a great deal (even beyond money) to lose if the allegations prove true.

It was US Courts that set the standard: if they complain, it was obviously harassment.  That means for the rich, it often makes sense just to make a pay-off to make it go away.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 04:51 AM (8y9MW)

70

Raise your hand, ladies, if you've never had a black man say, "Hey girl, hey girl, HEY GIRL! Come holla at a brotha."

This is why you're a Great American, Jeff.

Truth hurts.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:51 AM (sbV1u)

71 1. They are trying to Anita Hill his campaign.
2. 2 "nameless" women. Right.
3. Show us the legal complaint.
4. This reminds me of that DC piece on Bachmann and her headaches that turned out to but utter BS.

Posted by: LadyLiberty1885 at October 31, 2011 04:51 AM (4FAf8)

72 The whole point of these settlements is to seal the records. Someone broke the contract and that someone needs toface the consequences.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:52 AM (dVBif)

73 Nope, but I've had many many females working for me in close contact and I've worked with many many females in the Navy also in close contact

I have worked in the Navy and I have worked in corporate America. They are not the same.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 04:52 AM (YdQQY)

74  Hey good looking, we'll be back to pick you up later.

Posted by: Herman Cain gets a Mr. Microphone at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (N2yhW)

75 One of my employees filed a harassment claim against me with HR because she overheard me and two of my other female employees discussing a bit from that mornings Howard Stern show involving shaving private parts. In my business I've also investigated many sexual harassment claims. I found that most were shakedowns or overblown. Not that there are not legitimate claims but they become suspect because of all the bogus ones.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (IqM9e)

76 I have worked in the Navy and I have worked in corporate America. They are not the same. Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 09:52 AM Ditto, the Girls are way hotter in corporate America.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (ZDUD4)

77 61 nevergiveup, you must be a RINO!

Posted by: proudonkey at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (NadeK)

...and you are a dipshit.

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (R3k3C)

78 You cannot forego your day in court, take the money, and then later sing like a bird.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (KwX0v)

79 Yeah, notice no one accused Clinton either until he was Governor. I think the idea is that the man is just a boor until he had money and then becomes a harasser. Really, if some guy grabs your ass you're better off settling it yourself and not becoming a pariah in your industry unless there is some actual money on the line.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (7enUC)

80

THIS is why he is going to be in trouble:

"Cain spox calls Geraldo but won't deny Politico allegations"   His guy should not have called if unless he was going to either explain or deny the allegations. It's ALWAYS the coverup! Or the appearance of one.

 

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (xeVap)

81 I'm incredulous that so many people here are giving this credence.  No wonder we're in the fucking shitter with a bunch of metro twatstains getting the vapours due to a Politico hit job.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 04:53 AM (G6SvX)

82 What people don't seem to understand is that ANYTHING can be construed as harassment. calling a woman "sweetie", asking for coffee, saying she looks nice--who can say what offends somebody? And, when the accused finds out there is a lawsuit, they are often shocked, because it was a nonevent to them. These lawsuits happen.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 04:54 AM (6IV8T)

83

The reason they can't identify the exact year, is likely because they want the reader to be under the misapprehension that the allegations of these two women happened so closely in time that it lends credibility to their story.  In all likelihood, these allegations were years apart and the two women no relation to each other, and these two women represent a very tiny proportion of all people dismissed by the organization. 

Of course, even though these bints have violated their non-disclosure obligations as to the existence of the allegations, any effort to glean additional facts will be stymied at their behest by the politico as an effort to respect the terms of their agreements and/or journalistic "integrity". 

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 04:54 AM (YQ4mh)

84

I'm incredulous that so many people here are giving this credence. 

Most of us aren't.

But he'll still have to deal with low-information voters in the general, so better to vet this now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:55 AM (sbV1u)

85 Dont forget: DSK is absolutely innocent according to this same media.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:55 AM (Y4TdB)

86 4 Clarence Thomas part 2?

Posted by: rjs3455 at October 31, 2011 09:26 AM (xF2yI)

My first thought, exactly. Democrats, ever the protector of minorities from the predations of those horrible bigoted conservatives, cook up a "likely" stereotypical accusation to serve up against a minority who disdains their idea of protection.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (2Oas0)

87 Once the media are done vetting Cain, maybe they'll finally get around to vetting Obama.

Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (VndSC)

88 72 The whole point of these settlements is to seal the records.

Someone broke the contract and that someone needs toface the consequences.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 09:52 AM (dVBif)

 

My first thoughts too.  If it was a confidential settlement, why the fuck are they coming forward 'anonymously' now and how can they do so without breaking the terms of the settlement?  They should be sued for the amount of the settlement, interest and more for breach of contract.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (fYOZx)

89 But he'll still have to deal with low-information voters in the general, so better to vet this now. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 09:55 AM Isn't that like 52% of them? Scary stuff.

Posted by: oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (ZDUD4)

90 My sister is a military officer. She has to deal with sexual harrassment cases. She knows for a fact that some of these women are liars. She also knows many of them have issues and should not be in the military.

Posted by: maddogg at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (OlN4e)

91

What people don't seem to understand is that ANYTHING can be construed as harassment. calling a woman "sweetie",

Wait?  calling someone "sweetie" is sexual harassment?

Axelrod?  Why didn't you tell me!??!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 04:56 AM (sbV1u)

92

Most of us aren't.

But he'll still have to deal with low-information voters in the general, so better to vet this now.

 

Precisely!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 04:57 AM (xeVap)

93 81 I'm incredulous that so many people here are giving this credence.  No wonder we're in the fucking shitter with a bunch of metro twatstains getting the vapours due to a Politico hit job.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (G6SvX)

...especially after SCOAMF's (LOL) vetting...

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 04:57 AM (R3k3C)

94 72 The whole point of these settlements is to seal the records.

Someone broke the contract and that someone needs toface the consequences.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 09:52 AM (dVBif)


Meh. Paying off a five figure settlement and then some - chicken feed. Wait for the front page expose.


Posted by: National Enquirer at October 31, 2011 04:57 AM (EL+OC)

95 87 Once the media are done vetting Cain, maybe they'll finally get around to vetting Obama.

Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2011 09:56 AM (VndSC)

Vetting Obama?...never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 31, 2011 04:58 AM (R3k3C)

96

Worst part is Cain has that guy who smokes working for him. That's unhealthy.

Posted by: Obama's ashtray at October 31, 2011 04:58 AM (VndSC)

97 This is part of the play book when dealing with black conservatives. First is to accuse them of being some sort of Uncle Tom. Following that is the attack by unnamed women from the far distant past regarding sexual harassment.

Posted by: Greg in NC at October 31, 2011 04:58 AM (x7byD)

98

This would be a good bet, is it the dems? the libs? the republicans?  the people in the agencies Cain wants to dismantle?  "journolists like geraldo" who only want ratings and admit they wouldn't run for public office themselves because of how cheesy their profession is.

It would have to be the Republicans. It doesn't seem to me that there would be any need for the Democrats to run with this now. They don't need to sow any dissent, there's already plenty to go around without them having to lift a finger, and for the Democrats to leak this now runs the risk of inoculating him against it in the future.

The real question is which Republicans leaked it. DC/Romney are the easiest and safest choices, but leaking it now instead of right before the first primaries allows him time to recover. It also allows time for a non-Romney candidate to capitalize on a poor Cain response, which could mean that someone other than the establishment leaked the story.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 04:58 AM (JxMoP)

99 81 I'm incredulous that so many people here are giving this credence.  No wonder we're in the fucking shitter with a bunch of metro twatstains getting the vapours due to a Politico hit job.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM (G6SvX)

 

THIS

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (fYOZx)

100 Money does strange things to people. You can't even remotely compare your experience to his. Apples and oranges. People see a deep wallet and they lose whatever little morals they had. While I have no idea for sure - and neother do you - odds are that's what happened here. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 09:48 AM (sbV1u) Yes I am sure money has alot to do with it. But I live by one set of values and morals even if Democrats don't. Now I am not saying Cain is guilty of anything yet, but it does not sound good. And from what his campaign is saying and not saying, there seems to be some kernels of truth here. And as I have said over and over and over again this is the kid of shit that happens and will happen when you run for the Highest Office in the Land having never been vetted before ( yeah I know obama was never vetted by the MSM and still isn't but that is a nother argument for another day). The ONLY thing I care about is getting rid of obama in 2012. Anything that makes that less certain is a problem for me and should be for people here also.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (i6RpT)

101 This is a smear. Cain is defense-less. We lost the sanctity of the contract in this country.

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (dVBif)

102

Isn't that like 52% of them? Scary stuff.

Yes, unfortunately.  And I am all for a reading comprehension test as well as a 20-question civics exam before you're allowed in the voting booth.

But then again, I have standards.  Or I am a racist.  I forget which.

Which reminds me, I need to call MSNBC today and ask them which one I am.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (sbV1u)

103 Financial payouts for the women bringing the complaints?  Sounds to me like a couple of "workers" just wanted a financial windfall, and given the insanity of our culture and legal system now, knew just how to go about it.

Posted by: Benzadmiral at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (WuRdj)

104 So the story was being shopped?   Cause the europeans passed on it so it seems they got first crack at it?

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (k1rwm)

105 When I first got out of college I had a job where I had to go to these big conferences and defend technical writing comments. The contractor would almost always say, "Look honey, ....(or sweetie, or whatever). I eventually got a little tired of it and started replying, "Well I'm sorry you think so Sugarplum candy britches but....." All his peers would laugh at him and that would be the end of it for that conference. Pretty soon I became legend and it stopped entirely, nobody go hurt, and I had gravitas.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 04:59 AM (7enUC)

106 He didn't harass-harass anyone.

Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (VndSC)

107 If telling a woman "I want to pour milk all over that ass and make it part of my complete breakfast" is harassment, then fine, technically I'm a "harasser." I guess the bar is set so low we can call anything harassment these days.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (0yt4x)

108 Something happened in the 1990's!!!

Posted by: s at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (8dspl)

109 Calling a female "sweetie" was enough in my old company to get a black letter in your file on its own. Coupled with other incidents it was enough to get you fired.

What I saw was generally complaints being filed when a female employee was about to be disciplined for non-performance. (female employees were NEVER fired for non-performance.)

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (YdQQY)

110

Now I am not saying Cain is guilty of anything yet, but it does not sound good.

No, you didn't say he was "guilty of anything yet."

You implied it.

The ONLY thing I care about is getting rid of obama in 2012. Anything that makes that less certain is a problem for me and should be for people here also.

Same with all of us, so we're all on the same sheet of music.  So you don't have to help the MSM with any additional speculation, they've already got top men working on demonizing Republicans. 

Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (sbV1u)

111 dagny, not the pakistani "pokieman"......the guy that ended up dead was a professional.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (SH3gZ)

112 Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM

you now owe me a new monitor. Hopefully the keyboard will survive.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:01 AM (40Wzt)

113 Sealed records don't mean anything to the SCoaMF; he got sealed divorced records opened up on his way up.  Laws aren't for the cocksucker in chief.

Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 05:02 AM (G6SvX)

114 How many versions of the tale will they tell today?

I'll go with four.

They bumblefucked around this last night and it was painful to watch.

Herb Cain is a goddamn train wreck.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:02 AM (pLTLS)

115 "they've already got top men working on demonizing Republicans. "

I knew Romney was a man, but didn't know about Bachman til now. Thanks.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:02 AM (40Wzt)

116 Well hell, I get all Obama's boy toys and pokistani mules mixed up. They all look alike.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 05:03 AM (7enUC)

117 if the person who was sued is guilty, they are asked to resign

What is true for the National Restaurant Association is not a universal truth IYKWIMAITYD,  not that it has any bearing on Cain's innocence.

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 31, 2011 05:03 AM (SDkq3)

118

If telling a woman "I want to pour milk all over that ass and make it part of my complete breakfast" is harassment, then fine, technically I'm a "harasser."

I wonder if my wife would appreciate that line.

Hmmmmm....decisions, decisions.

Honey?!?!?

Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 05:03 AM (sbV1u)

119 You implied it. The ONLY thing I care about is getting rid of obama in 2012. Anything that makes that less certain is a problem for me and should be for people here also. Same with all of us, so we're all on the same sheet of music. So you don't have to help the MSM with any additional speculation, they've already got top men working on demonizing Republicans. Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM (sbV1u) I am not helping anyone and I never implied anything. I have NOT noticed Cain or the Cain Campaign denying this?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (i6RpT)

120 Well hell, I get all Obama's boy toys and pokistani mules mixed up. They all look alike. Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 10:03 AM Not from behind.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (ZDUD4)

121 didn't the send the scoamf's girlfriend to some island?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (SH3gZ)

122 I'm guessing the Cain campaign knew this was coming. It probably would have been better to dump all this stuff themselves back when he was int he 3rd tier. Then he could use the, "It's old news" excuse.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (wuv1c)

123 MFM: Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jonathan Edwards - ignore
Herman Cain and any Republican - front page news!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (1Jaio)

124

I knew Romney was a man, but didn't know about Bachman til now. Thanks.

Oh, I'm sure she's at least got a little role play goin' on with Marcus.

I keed!  I keed!  I'm a kidder!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Serial Sexual Harasser at October 31, 2011 05:04 AM (sbV1u)

125 Herb Cain is a goddamn train wreck.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM (pLTLS)


THIS. Inevitable.

Posted by: Barbarian at October 31, 2011 05:05 AM (EL+OC)

126 108 If telling a woman "I want to pour milk all over that ass and make it part of my complete breakfast" is harassment, then fine, technically I'm a "harasser."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM (0yt4x)

 

I've long thought you remind me of my husband but now it's starting to get creepy how much.   And it's 'her-ass-er'.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 05:05 AM (fYOZx)

127 From Insty:

ROGER SIMON: Politico And Cain: The Return Of The High-Tech Lynching. “It took the mainstream media nearly a year to catch up with the John Edwards Affair, but only weeks into Herman Cain’s narrow frontrunner status for the GOP nomination, the goodfellas at Politico are letting the uppity black conservative have it.” Ouch. But let’s correct the record: They weren’t slow to cover the John Edwards story. They covered up the John Edwards story. Keep rockin’!

UPDATE: Four reporters, zero specifics.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 05:05 AM (7+pP9)

128 Interesting. For whatever reason we're blocked from typing V era Baker on this website.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 05:06 AM (wuv1c)

129 Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 09:59 AM (i6RpT)

See, I think we have two arguments going here.  On one of them, I'm on your side: Herman Cain is such an unknown quantity, that we have to take this into consideration.  That is: while we may not believe it, neither can we dismiss it out of hand.  Add to that the (apparently: I didn't even know about it until this morning, so I haven't seen any interviews or anything) amateurish way in which this has been handled, and it leaves questions.  This has nothing to do with whether or not he's actually guilty (at least: not more than tangentially), and more to do with whether or not he's "qualified" to be our candidate.

The second is whether or not he's guilty, or this is just a smear.  And I tend to believe "smear."  In that sense, he deserves our defense, because these kinds of things are so pernicious and vile, that it can ruin his life (forget his career).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 05:06 AM (8y9MW)

130 The campaign is not a train wreck.  And, don't you think people are noticing that the guy is taking his measly amount of donation money and making it work way better than the candidates with the millions.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:07 AM (k1rwm)

131

UPDATE: Four reporters, zero specifics.

Dude!  It's the MSM, specifics not required!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:07 AM (sbV1u)

132 The second is whether or not he's guilty, or this is just a smear. And I tend to believe "smear." In that sense, he deserves our defense, because these kinds of things are so pernicious and vile, that it can ruin his life (forget his career). Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:06 AM (8y9MW) It may well be a smear, HOWEVER, if there is a legal settlement on file and so far He and his Campaign has not denied it, it is a problem

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:08 AM (i6RpT)

133 133 caniac oh lookie it's the idiot!!!!!! curious is back......did you get kicked out of the encampment on wall street?

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 05:08 AM (SH3gZ)

134 didn't we have a story last week about one of ours..it was reported He said something, but a significant  meaningful to the story portion had been left out.. and we all gasped in angst for a day?

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 05:08 AM (h+qn8)

135 I'm guessing the Cain campaign knew this was coming

Uh, they should have. He alluded it to personal baggage with some strange comments he made earlier in the year.

But did you hear that interview one of this people gave to Geraldo? They called in last night and stammered around for a few minutes but never denying it. And then they came out after the fact and denied it.

It was one of the most painful things I've ever heard.  (insert obligatory Perry debate performance jokes here)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:09 AM (pLTLS)

136 It may well be a smear, HOWEVER, if there is a legal settlement on file and so far He and his Campaign has not denied it, it is a problem

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 10:08 AM (i6RpT)

Karl, it's only a problem cause the guy is a conservative.  Funny how it's not a problem for dems or RINOS

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:09 AM (k1rwm)

137 The denial was weak.  When Cain says "bring me the evidence and let me face my accusers" he is obviously bullshitting around.  He knows they singed NDA's to get the money so they can't confront him without violating the agreements. The original charges may have been blown out of proportion but there must be something to this story.

As I have said a million times, get used to Romney being the candidate.  Perry is a weak debater and is not good on immigration.  Romney has been vetted pretty thoroughly and has the electability to beat Obama.  RomneyCare is a bitch but it can be finessed.

Posted by: Ken Royall at October 31, 2011 05:09 AM (9zzk+)

138 Herb Cain is a goddamn train wreck. Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 10:02 AM I respectfully disagree. The real train wreck is the polished proper filthy rich one that can't get above twenty five percent.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 05:09 AM (ZDUD4)

139

I see some folks are blaming Romney's people for this. Admittedly, Mitt prefers the indirect approach when putting the knife to his political opponents, but this doesn't feel like a Romney hit. For one thing, no Republican primary voter would believe any of it after Clarence Thomas' ordeal. Besides, the details are too vague. The supposedly injured parties are unnamed and legally restrained from going on record. No specifics were brought out.  Cain and his people should be able to weather this easily if they handle it correctly. The only way this kind of pseudo-scandal can truly hurt Cain would be in the general election if he wins the nomination, where sexual harrassment associations would have an influence on independent voters.

To me, this feels more like the MSM ramping up its GOP character assassination  efforts for what will almost certainly be the most acrimonious political campaign on record. Witness the Washington Post's attacks on Marco Rubio, which--by all appearances--its editorial staff undertook on its own initiative. Any GOP politician viewed as a real threat to Obama's reelection chances will be subjected to the same treatment.

I'm sure the MSM has dirt on Romney, for that matter, but is holding back until the general election campaign. They view Romney as the presumptive winner of the nomination, true or not. If they go after him with whatever dirt they have on him now, the risk will be the electorate will forget about it--whatever it is--by election day. Remember Bush's DUI released just prior to the election? I'm sure the MSM knew about W's misdeanor conviction and held it close like the most precious treasure in the kingdom until the moment when its impact would be greatest.

Posted by: troyriser at October 31, 2011 05:09 AM (vtiE6)

140 THIS. Inevitable.

Thank God someone else will admit to it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:10 AM (pLTLS)

141 oh lookie it's the idiot!!!!!! curious is back......did you get kicked out of the encampment on wall street?

It is Halloween, the time of year when unpleasant things that were thought gone come back to beset the living and sane. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 31, 2011 05:10 AM (9hSKh)

142 If you have ever slept with Janet Napolitano, we want to hear from you! Our organization will pay $10,000 to anyone who has had sexual relations with the Homeland Security Director! Contact Us Now!

Posted by: National Organization 4 People Who Can't Stand Ringing Telephones. at October 31, 2011 05:10 AM (ucERL)

143 Posted by: Captain Hate at October 31, 2011 09:53 AM

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

From "Poppin' Fresh" giving this shit the full "in fairness..." treatment at Tepid Air to the commenters here, I'm getting more disgusted by the moment that conservatives -- or at least those who profess to be conservatives -- will jump on the bandwagon to give credence to amorphous, decades-old "accusations" by people who don't have the guts or decency to put their names behind what they're saying.

We're getting so hung up on our dislike for any candidates who aren't our preferred darling that we will smear indiscriminately as the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure does?

Even if you don't like Cain, he deserves to be considered innocent of this unsubstantiated accusation until credible evidence comes out.

This doesn't hurt Cain only; it hurts every damn person who is running against Osama Obama.

Thanks to that attitude, we're almost certain to be stuck with the Traitor-in-Chief for another four years. I guess that'll make Ed Morrissey happy, 'cos he'll get to keep doing the "Obamateurism of the Day," while putting out the mildest criticisms of the felonies committed by President Historic First©.

I hope Ace doesn't jump on the bandwagon and continue his crusade to discredit Cain using this bogus crap (and it IS bogus until facts and names come out).

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:10 AM (YjjrR)

144

"The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association. The agreements also included language that bars the women from talking about their departures"

So many things wrong with this...So it was "suggestive" which could mean anything from a hug to a wink, etc.  They were paid, which means nothing until we see the actual agreements.  Plenty of people are paid when they leave a company.  And they just broke the agreements by talking about it. 

Posted by: Deanna at October 31, 2011 05:10 AM (t8h5T)

145 Bera Vaker was a cover for the gay stories.  Look at SCOAMF and tell me he's ever been into chicks.  The flip side to that is no self-respecting gay man would ever be caught dead in mom jeans. 

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 05:11 AM (fYOZx)

146 So these delicate flowers accusing Cain of impropriety were so traumatically victimized by the big bad stereotypical Black man that they were given a settlement?

Those poor, poor dears. 

(Usually the women who refuse me just slap my face, -- go figure.)

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2011 05:11 AM (/ZZCn)

147

It may well be a smear, HOWEVER, if there is a legal settlement on file and so far He and his Campaign has not denied it, it is a problem

Again, a legal settlement is not proof of guilt.  Period.  End of conversation.

IMHO Herman Cain is not qualified to be President.  I'm not carrying his water.  But can we stop jumping to conclusions?  That's the MFM's job.

Cain has 2 speeches scheduled today in DC.  One is goin on right now (AEI I think), I am sure there is a SRO crowd for what normally would be a pedestrian speech. 

Why don't we give it 3 hours to hear what he has to say?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:11 AM (sbV1u)

148 " If you have ever slept with Janet Napolitano,"

Pretty sure your money is safe with this bet.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:12 AM (40Wzt)

149 Karl, it's only a problem cause the guy is a conservative. Funny how it's not a problem for dems or RINOS Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 10:09 AM (k1rwm) I don't what your reference to Karl means, but I don't follow the lead of Dems or Rhinos. I have my own set of morals and values and I apply them across the board no matter who is involved. And if your accusing me of being a Rhino go fuck yourself

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:12 AM (i6RpT)

150 "The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association..

maybe He said, hey sweetie go make me a sammich?

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (h+qn8)

151 It may well be a smear, HOWEVER, if there is a legal settlement on file and so far He and his Campaign has not denied it, it is a problem

The quote I heard today (remember: I've only had a few hours of even knowing about this story) is was that "The allegations never stood up to the facts" or something like that.  That is: they did not deny the settlement (how could they?) but they are claiming the allegations are bogus.

And, since the allegations are so nebulous (something about: made them angry and uncomfortable?  WTF?  Did he insult their favorite sports franchise right after an embarrassment of a 34 - 7 Loss?), a specific denial would actually be worse than what he's done so far.  Indeed, I suspect the Politico is hoping that he'll make a specific denial, "No, I never called her a ...," so they can jump in with: well, if you didn't say it, how come you're denying it? 

Which is juvenile and stupid- but effective.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (8y9MW)

152 Where are the charges of Racism against Politico?? How come Bill Clinton is revered by the democrats for lying about actually having relations in the Oral Office?? Some shitbag of a universe heh??

Posted by: izoneguy at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (i6Neb)

153 136 didn't we have a story last week about one of ours..it was reported He said something, but a significant  meaningful to the story portion had been left out.. and we all gasped in angst for a day?

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 10:08 AM (h+qn

 

I think that's a weekly thing now.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (fYOZx)

154 RomneyCare is a bitch but it can be finessed.

Posted by: Ken Royall at October 31, 2011 10:09 AM (9zzk+)

Finesse huh?...give me a frickin break.

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (R3k3C)

155 When I heard Rove saying this a.m. That he "hopes" there is nothing to this story, I remembered Cain saying a few weeks ago that Rove was trying to destroy him. Sadly, I think Cain was right. BTW, I sincerely hope the general public is not as unaware of the common occurrence of harassment lawsuits as some people on this blog are.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 05:13 AM (6IV8T)

156 Ms. Choksondik, Really? Try this out - actual conversation I had this morning at breakfast. Wife: "You woke me up this morning when you yelled 'Ha! Fuck You!' In your sleep." Me: "Yeah. I woke myself up, too." Wife: "What were you dreaming about?" Me: "I was dreaming I saw a raccoon get run over by a truck." Wife: "So... You're the same person in your dreams as you are when you're awake." Me: "Yeah. I guess so. Want to know what we were doing together earlier in that dream?" Wife: "No."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 05:14 AM (l9zgN)

157 154 "The women complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Cain that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the restaurant group that gave them financial payouts to leave the association.. maybe He said, hey sweetie go make me a sammich? No it was probably more like "Would you like to suck on this black candy Cain?"

Posted by: izoneguy at October 31, 2011 05:15 AM (i6Neb)

158

Regarding those who criticize the wording of the email from last night ("rumors that did not stand up to the facts"), how would you have preferred it to be worded.  If Cain campaign unequivocally states:  "This did not happen", they will be called out as liars.  Why?  Because that denial could be peeled so many ways to reflect poorly on the denier due to the nature of the allegations.  For example: "Cain is claiming these allegations were never made, but they are documented, so he is lying"; "Cain is saying he never said anything that made these women 'feel uncomfortable', but they did feel uncomfortable, so he is lying". 

How does one successfully argue that comments one made that elicit a FEELING in another did not elicit such feeling, particularly when there is no objective standard by which the conduct that gave rise to the feeling must be evaluated? 

 

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 05:15 AM (YQ4mh)

159

I think that's a weekly thing now.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (fYOZx)

i guess this is vetting, but srsly, I'm  left to wonder how we ever win.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 05:16 AM (h+qn8)

160 161 151 " If you have ever slept with Janet Napolitano,"

Pretty sure your money is safe with this bet.

Bitch had bad breath and farted.  I gave her  up.

Posted by: Ellen DeGeneres at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (hXJOG)

TOTALLY GNARLY!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at October 31, 2011 05:16 AM (R3k3C)

161 Indeed, I suspect the Politico is hoping that he'll make a specific denial, "No, I never called her a ...," so they can jump in with: well, if you didn't say it, how come you're denying it? Which is juvenile and stupid- but effective. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM (8y9MW) If I were a betting man, I'd bet the allegations are not all that serious just like you said. HOWEVER having said that, it is real unfortunate but preditable that shit like this would surface during a Presidential Campaign and distract from the real goal. Getting rid of obama.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:16 AM (i6RpT)

162

I'm guessing the Cain campaign knew this was coming

Uh, they should have. He alluded it to personal baggage with some strange comments he made earlier in the year.

On the drive in this morning I heard Mark Plotkin the local "political analyst" on WTOP in Washington (Gawd, I hate that guy) say that Cain's campaign knew about this, and knew they would be asked about it, but didn't think they would be asked about it publically.

If that's true, it sure as hell comports with what we know about the Cain campaign staff so far.

Rank amateurs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (sbV1u)

163 He knows they singed NDA's to get the money so they can't confront him without violating the agreements. The original charges may have been blown out of proportion but there must be something to this story.

If they signed NDA's, they already violated their agreements when they talked to Politico.  Of course, now they want to hide behind those same NDAs they just violated to claim that Herman Cain is picking on them.

No, that doesn't wash. 

And, no, there doesn't have to be "something to this story," except the accusation itself.  Seriously, go to any modern (since the early 90's, really) anti-harassment class at any corporation in America.  They will tell you, straight out, that accusation = proof (more or less), and that goes doubly if you're a guy, and double that if you're a white guy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (8y9MW)

164 Newt did it.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (MPtFW)

165 The only thing more inevitable than these charges against Cain being a huge hit with the MSM was the response by the "Romney-as-Darth Vader" crowd accusing Mitt's campaign of being involved. Herman Cain could take a huge steaming shit on the stage of the Nat'l Press Club and the same people would swear that they saw Romney force feeding him Taco Bell before the speech.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (Qjh0I)

166 ......and, and, and then........then he said......omg...i haven't thought about this in a long time.....he said......"do you want some cheese on that pizza?" it was horrible......i just...omg.....i'm sorry.....i can't talk about this....i just can't

Posted by: victim#1 at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (SH3gZ)

167

The Left is unraveling and the Right has an opportunity to install anyone they want. It took the lunacy of Jimmah Cahter to set the stage for the brilliance of Ronald Reagan. O blah-blah has presented the right with an entire populace willing to vote for "anyone but Obama"....and all we can put on stage is a rotation of clowns past and clowns present and let the leftist media control and destroy any leadership they could bring to the discussion.

I'm not a big fan of Cain's but if he is the best we can put up then I'll vote for him. In the meantime the Right desperately needs to take control of the conversation and start neutering the authority of the MBM to spin any conversation anyway they want. For me yesterdays' sidebar post about Obama's "Scandel Free White House" was just the icing on the cake wherein the media continues to reinforce the fantasies of these uber-idiots who believe in their "people's cause" and their "ends justify's the means" mentality.

I'm not a big fan of George W.'s either but with 20/20 hindsite the entire media railed against him for 8+ years (starting BEFORE he was actually elected with their media caused "Florida vote count debacle"). Looking back now I don't think anyone ever made any legitimate claims stick and he looks absolutely statuesque compared to this administration. Abu Ghraib was stupidity by the military. I can't remember a single other "scandel" that was proven true.

My point, folks is simply this: Fox News isn't nearly enough. If we don't get a more active Conservative counterpoint to the leftist MBM they are going to continue to control the conversation, control the dialogue, control the minds of the uninformed, neuter any Conservative leadership offered, and then set the stage for Obama 2.0 within 4 years.

Posted by: MrObvious at October 31, 2011 05:17 AM (2uovW)

168 File this under "Things Herman Cain will get back to you about after he is elected President and has access to all the information to which Presidents have access."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 31, 2011 05:18 AM (E6FoU)

169 Poshitco's next bomb to drop: "...and the women were White!"

Posted by: sootsayerrrr at October 31, 2011 05:18 AM (Ba6aP)

170 How come Bill Clinton is revered by the democrats for lying about actually having relations in the Oral Office?? Some shitbag of a universe heh?? Posted by: izoneguy at October 31, 2011 10:13 AM

Of course the accusations against Bubba Clinton came from actual, real women whose names were known. They provided testimony as to specific incidents, too.

That wasn't enough to shake the libs' religious Clinton-fervor. But they learned a lesson, and made sure SCoaMF's bad past shit never got out.

Both Clinton and the Chicago Jesus had millions of Democrats and the media guarding their backs. Cain has a few conservatives standing up for him, while many more seem to be going full-Democrat on him.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:18 AM (YjjrR)

171

POLITICO has confirmed the identities of the two female restaurant association employees who complained about Cain but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.

Privacy concerns.  Sure.  Privacy concerns and not the penalty clause for releasing the information in the NDAs (I do presume those exist for purposes of this discussion).  It's because Politico is such a nice organization and all, not that those women don't want to lose their money. 

My apologies to those women if they didn't leak and they are now stuck in the middle of this. 

 

 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 05:18 AM (VtjlW)

172 What are you lookin at Sugartits?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 31, 2011 05:19 AM (WvXvd)

173

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:14 AM (l9zgN)

 

I was right there with you up until the "No" at the end.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at October 31, 2011 05:19 AM (fYOZx)

174 Obama admitted to abusing drugs.  Nobody knows how long that went on, but one would have thought there would have been a minor amount of curiosity on the part of the media.  No curiosity whatsoever about SCOAMF's past, anything related to academics, scrutiny of his friends and associates, what caused him to be perpetually absent in voting in his microscopically short political career - not a fucking thing.  For all America knows, in addition to being a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, he could have been a serial murderer and nobody who votes would have ever been the wiser. 

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 31, 2011 05:19 AM (jx2j9)

175 it is real unfortunate but preditable that shit like this would surface during a Presidential Campaign and distract from the real goal. Getting rid of obama.

So, then, it's our duty as Conservatives to ignore this and go on.

Of course, we won't.  We'll whine and moan (about the quality of our candidates, the 'unfair' coverage, or both) probably for a week or so.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 05:19 AM (8y9MW)

176

My apologies to those women if they didn't leak and they are now stuck in the middle of this. 

 Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM (VtjlW)

Didn't leak??  Unlikely in the extreme.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:20 AM (sbV1u)

177 " Cain has a few conservatives standing up for him, while many more seem to be going full-Democrat on him."

Sort of like what happened to Perry with the racist rock. Except Cain shit on Perry for the hell of it then. I haven't seen Perry comment yet on this, but I bet he takes the high road. Unlike Cain did.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:20 AM (40Wzt)

178 90's? That's the decade feminist groups and MSM were pushing "abuse of power" in sexual harassment. Until Clinton blew up in Monica's face (literally). Then they became all "privacy of consenting adults".

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at October 31, 2011 05:20 AM (cs819)

179 I don't know, if I were the MFM and politico I would be wondering now.  I mean if you put the commercial that went viral together with Cain's recent comments and you start looking at it objectively, you might be wishing right now you hadn't opened up this pandora's bos.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:20 AM (k1rwm)

180

My point, folks is simply this: Fox News isn't nearly enough. If we don't get a more active Conservative counterpoint to the leftist MBM they are going to continue to control the conversation, control the dialogue, control the minds of the uninformed, neuter any Conservative leadership offered, and then set the stage for Obama 2.0 within 4 years.

Posted by: MrObvious at October 31, 2011 10:17 AM (2uovW)

Ta Da

amen.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 05:21 AM (h+qn8)

181 I think there were two women who made complaints that were serious enough to warrant a settlement.  Not all complaints lead to settlements and not all complaints are bogus. 

In my experience, bosses who conduct themselves in a highly professional manner at work, including keeping copious personnel records and maintaining a certain formality with all employees, are able to swat these sorts of allegations aside.  Given what I've seen of Cain's personality, he doesn't strike me as that sort of boss, so I guess it would not surprise me if he was vulnerable to these sorts of allegations. 

Like others, I read the Cain "denials" as "prove it," not as denials about the basics of the story.  I am bothered by the way they've handled this story so far, particularly given Cain's eagerness to jump all over the racist rock story.  RS McCain's article really doesn't disprove the allegations.  It's just a bunch of statements from character witnesses. 

I have no idea if this will damage his campaign, but I think it hurts him that he does not have his wife by his side on the trail as the wife is often part of the defense team.

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:21 AM (5H6zj)

182 Well here's the meltdown from last night's Geraldo show.

I linked it on the ONT and was taken to task for linking Geraldo.

Doesn't negate the fact that his handlers are a bunch of dumb fucks.

Seriously, this was bad.

And now it seems they're walking back the settlement stuff.

WTF?

I guess I should have picked the over on four. By the time this day is over there will be at least 11 different versions of this story apparently.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:21 AM (pLTLS)

183 What? Trying to take down a prominent, successful black man by ginning up years-old claims of sexual harassment?  Unheard of! Oh, wait....

Posted by: DRH at October 31, 2011 05:21 AM (agus9)

184

They will tell you, straight out, that accusation = proof (more or less), and that goes doubly if you're a guy, and double that if you're a white guy.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! 

Didn't leak??  Unlikely in the extreme.

Just doing some CYA, it is at least theoretically possible that its not them.  I don't actually believe that, but I will acknowledge the possibility.  Or maybe it's one and not the other, there's that as well. 

 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 05:21 AM (VtjlW)

185 I have only three thoughts on this 1. After tail hook broke in the 90's, a ton of these lawsuits broke out because some people saw it as easy money and it was near impossible to defend against 2. It's times like these shock makes it so much easier to be a democrat....true quotes from a conversation I had with a friend and a hooker a couple weeks ago: Hooker: you're running for the senate and you're checking out a midget hooker? Me: I'm a democrat Hooker: it worked for Clinton I guess 3. I wish I was a hot chick, I would have made tons with these stupid suits

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 05:22 AM (A1uUz)

186 Waiter, there's a pubic hair in my pizza.  ba-doom-bang!

Posted by: Spiked Mulligan at October 31, 2011 05:22 AM (m8ARs)

187 Sort of like what happened to Perry with the racist rock.

And the Repulsive Reverend. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:22 AM (5H6zj)

188 Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM

Only Herman Cain is denied the right to confront his "accusers," eh?

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:23 AM (YjjrR)

189 Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone write a book recently, with named sources and specific charges, about a hostile work environment for women in the Obama White House?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 31, 2011 05:23 AM (PLvLS)

190 Is Cain really a frontrunner or is the Blood Libel Media jerking our chain?

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 31, 2011 05:23 AM (SDkq3)

191 Like I said, the Republicans are running against the press.

Posted by: Voluble at October 31, 2011 05:24 AM (JKX4x)

192

Just doing some CYA, it is at least theoretically possible that its not them.

Play the odds, alex.  Let your freak flag fly.  No more CYA, just bare it.

It's theoretically possible that Obama isn't a SCOAMF, but that's what the odds say.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:24 AM (sbV1u)

193 "Only Herman Cain is denied the right to confront his "accusers," eh?"

Apparently he did and settled with them.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:24 AM (40Wzt)

194 Captain Hate, the ones who are responsible for giving credence to this story are Herman "have YOU ever been accused of sexual harassment?" Cain and his spokesman, JD "Let me call Geraldo to respond, but then refuse to deny the allegations" Gordon. Case study in how not to respond to allegations.

Posted by: Boone at October 31, 2011 05:25 AM (Jl3Mu)

195 Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:24 AM (40Wzt)

Let's wait and see how this "plays out".

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:25 AM (k1rwm)

196 Only Herman Cain is denied the right to confront his "accusers," eh?

Taking the story on its face, he had that opportunity but turned it down.  He could have gone to court and faced them.  Instead he (well, the organization of which he was President) settled. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:25 AM (5H6zj)

197 You want names of people who were sexually assaulted I mean harrassed?  You want names? How about Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Willey?

Jeebus these MSM fuquas can sure dig up shit on the Republican front runner while Jon Alternate says Obama's big miracle is that there are no scandals, cough, cough, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, fill in the blank.

Posted by: kansas at October 31, 2011 05:25 AM (mka2b)

198

Herm baby ... here is the answer for all the questions ...

FYNQ!!!!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:25 AM (GvYeG)

199 OMG!

Posted by: victim#1 at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (SH3gZ)

200

2. It's times like these shock makes it so much easier to be a democrat....true quotes from a conversation I had with a friend and a hooker a couple weeks ago:
Hooker: you're running for the senate and you're checking out a midget hooker?
Me: I'm a democrat
Hooker: it worked for Clinton I guess

See, that's the real deal right there.

Everyone expects Democrats to be scumbags, so no one is surprised when it's (yet again) shown to be true.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (sbV1u)

201 Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 10:18 AM

Only Herman Cain is denied the right to confront his "accusers," eh?
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 10:23 AM

Damnit, that came out wrong in one respect: I wasn't dissing you, alexthechick. I'm just getting angrier by the moment that it appears a decent man is getting destroyed here, and some of the rocks being hurled at him are coming from our side.

Sorry.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (YjjrR)

202 As I said in the ONT: Cain sexually harassed those women just like Palin said, "I can see Russia from my house."

This is all a result of letting a thousand smears over the years remain unanswered. That's why the left always, always, rallies behind one of theirs--even if it is true--because one smear not defended smears everyone. Better to be wrong defending a smear than to be smeared.

Posted by: Jimmuy at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (hROVJ)

203

OMG!

Posted by: victim#1 at October 31, 2011 10:26 AM (SH3gZ)

Please say it's not true.

....

Dammit, it's true.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (sbV1u)

204 i forgot......he put "sausage" on the pizza too!

Posted by: victim#1 at October 31, 2011 05:26 AM (SH3gZ)

205

Fuck Anita Hill and the horse she rode in on. .....This is her legacy. Fuck her.

I predicted that someone would eventually dig up some disgruntled employees to 'tell their stories' about Herman Cain.....but I figured it would be in the general, if Cain got the nomination.

Here's the thing.....in corporate world, this is what happens. The lawyers always want to settle. ....But that's corporate world. Not political world.

In politics it's better to fight a harrasment suit out till the end.....because paying a 'settlement' implies guilt and hush money.

This was apparently settled for a "five-figure amount" with each of the women. ....That is really not that much, which implies that it was not a big smoking gun sort of thing.

I hate this. I'm a Perry supporter. But I hate seeing Herman Cain get shot at like this. I hope Perry keeps his mouth shut about it.

Cain has a great sense of humor....he probably just told some joke that these two women decided to cash in on. 

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 05:27 AM (XkwIi)

206

Regardless of who the nominee is we’re going to spend the next year defending one accusation after another, instead of focusing the campaign against Obama.  It was crystal clear from the beginning that democrats were going to run a slash and burn strategy.

 

It would be nice if all republicans and right leaning independents immediately denounced the tactics, hypocrisy and unfairness of an attack like this, but judging from the treatment Palin received, shortsightedness is a trait many have.

Posted by: jwest at October 31, 2011 05:27 AM (qeYI9)

207

And again I say ... FYNQ!!!!!!!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:27 AM (GvYeG)

208 I expected this of Cain and said so 3 months ago. Well, I alluded to it. And yes, it IS because he is a black man, and I base that on observations and experiences I have had for years now. Black men are ALWAYS on the make. It is 24/7/365. It is at work, at play, and at family reunions. I only say that to say this: What of Barack Obama? What is troubling about him is that not only has he not been caught with some fresh, but you really don't expect, and cannot even imagine, him even chasing any fresh! That is really bizarre. This guy is either asexual or homosexual in my opinion.

Posted by: Spiker at October 31, 2011 05:27 AM (ucERL)

209 sean it's true and after a month at ows......it smells worse than ever!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (SH3gZ)

210 My Directv imploded and I have been watching over the air broadcasts. Obama is really cool, the economy is grand, and unemployment rates have unexpectedly gone down while the GDP has unexpectedly gone up, there is no Solyndra, no Fast and Furious, and if it weren't for the Republicans blocking everything President Wonderful does, we would be in much better shape.

Posted by: kansas at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (mka2b)

211 Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM (k1rwm)

This THING is a TROLL. Let's just let it talk to itself.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (pLTLS)

212 I predicted that someone would eventually dig up some disgruntled employees to 'tell their stories' about Herman Cain

I'm still waiting for Muslims who were denied promotions to come out of the woodwork. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (5H6zj)

213 cainiac at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM

Cain settled a sexual harrassment claim.

What is left to play out? The election? Call me in 65 days or so when Iowa goes off and we will see how that works.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (40Wzt)

214

it's true and after a month at ows......it smells worse than ever!!!!!

If the coffee stain does not come out, you owe me a new pair of pants.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 05:28 AM (sbV1u)

215 i'm waiting for the MSM to dig up Romney's 2nd and 3rd wives. that should be fun.

Posted by: bannor at October 31, 2011 05:29 AM (6AXh/)

216 Cain Campaign Manager: Not Aware Of Cash Settlement Relating To Harassment Chargeslacey's link

guess we'll wait and see.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 05:29 AM (h+qn8)

217 It doesn't matter who you support ... this is BS ... total BS. I like Cain, he's not my first choice, but I like him.

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:29 AM (GvYeG)

218 I hate this. I'm a Perry supporter. But I hate seeing Herman Cain get shot at like this. I hope Perry keeps his mouth shut about it.

It may have been Perry's camp that dug it up. Speculation at this point but it's a distinct possibility.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:29 AM (pLTLS)

219 221 cainiac at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM

Cain settled a sexual harrassment claim.

What is left to play out? The election? Call me in 65 days or so when Iowa goes off and we will see how that works.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:28 AM (40Wzt)

You're making a lot of assumptions there.  Let's see how this plays out.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:30 AM (k1rwm)

220 Taking the story on its face, he had that opportunity but turned it down.  He could have gone to court and faced them.  Instead he (well, the organization of which he was President) settled. 
Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 10:25 AM

If the story is based on ANY facts, that is. We don't know, because it's all innuendo and anonymous sources.

I'm not even that upset with the Cain campaign's "mishandling" of it so far. If they had done what I'd advocate and went into full "FYNQ" mode, people would be slamming them for it.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:30 AM (YjjrR)

221 It doesn't matter who you support ... this is BS ... total BS. I like Cain, he's not my first choice, but I like him. Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 10:29 AM (GvYeG) How do you know it is bullshit? I like Cain also, but I don't think and have never thought he is ready for prime time and a run at the White House.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:31 AM (i6RpT)

222 This is off topic.  But wow Jon just wow.  MF Global has retained Skadden for a bankruptcy filing. (per CNBC)

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 05:32 AM (k1rwm)

223 "It may have been Perry's camp that dug it up."

Since Perry views Romney as his main opponent, I seriously doubt it. Sounds like Romney is getting worried about Cain being the national front runner.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:32 AM (40Wzt)

224 All the media has to do is find the court records indicating a sealed settlement agreement. After that, they can make up whatever shit they want.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick getyourpawsofoffmeyoudamndirtyape Perry at October 31, 2011 05:32 AM (K7Gb2)

225 Well, I'll tell you what this is going to do. This will get Herm a heck of a lot more viewers of his press club speech.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 05:32 AM (ZDUD4)

226 OT: The Washington Times just skewered FLOTUS. It's on Drudge.

A fun read.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:33 AM (pLTLS)

227 "Calling a female "sweetie" was enough in my old company to get a black letter in your file on its own. Coupled with other incidents it was enough to get you fired.

What I saw was generally complaints being filed when a female employee was about to be disciplined for non-performance. (female employees were NEVER fired for non-performance.)

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 10:01 AM"

This.  Every company I ever worked for treated any sexual harassment complaint as golden.  They were so worried about law suits they always took the low road and defended the accuser.  And if the accused was fired they seldom sued because even a hint of such an accusation was enough to keep you from getting hired elsewhere.

Posted by: Deanna at October 31, 2011 05:34 AM (t8h5T)

228 Sounds like Romney is getting worried about Cain being the national front runner.

Yeah, this has the smell of Romney background staff to it. I recall they went after Palin as well when they thought she may be a long term threat.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 05:34 AM (YdQQY)

229 I like Cain also, but I don't think and have never thought he is ready for prime time and a run at the White House. Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 10:31 AM

The one has nothing to do with the other, unless you want it to.

You don't like Cain as president? Fine. But it could be your preferred candidates who gets the Bullshitico treatment next.

If it is, I'm not gonna say "I don't think he/she/it is ready for prime time, so I'm going to let these accusations slide."

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:35 AM (YjjrR)

230

My apologies to those women if they didn't leak and they are now stuck in the middle of this. 

The article claims that they got their information from multiple sources and I don't think it mentions anything about discussing it withe the women themselves.

It also mentions having seen documentation describing the alleged events but there don't appear to be a whole lot of tawdry details, which makes me even more skeptical.  We get vague descriptions of suggestive behavior and gestures that may not necessarily have been sexual in nature but could have been considered inappropriate. If the documents had claimed something really bad, such as groping or threats or attempted coercion, there is no doubt in my mind that those specific allegations would have been included in the story.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 05:35 AM (JxMoP)

231 >>I'm not even that upset with the Cain campaign's "mishandling" of it so far.

I guess to me he could have issued a flat denial instead being cute and saying "Have you ever been accused of sexual harassment?" and then challenging the interviewer to prove it. 

Look, I appreciate that many of these allegations are bogus, but this particular story strikes me as significantly more specific than Anita Hill's.  In addition, we aren't talking about some mid-level manager here. He was the most powerful person in the organization and certainly had the resources to challenge the accusers. 

It seems to me he could have said that there was a personnel issue fifteen years ago which was resolved out of court, but he's not free to discuss it.  Then he could trundle out the many supporters who say he was a good, above board boss.

Or, I suppose there might be some legal avenue he could pursue to get permission to disclose some sort of redacted documents about it.

And the protestations about Republicans attacking other Republicans that I'm reading after the shit Perry went through over the rock and the Repulsive Reverend's comments ring a little hollow.  Sorry. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:36 AM (5H6zj)

232 "But it could be your preferred candidates who gets the Bullshitico treatment next."

Were you this upset when it happened to Perry?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:36 AM (40Wzt)

233

220 I predicted that someone would eventually dig up some disgruntled employees to 'tell their stories' about Herman Cain

I'm still waiting for Muslims who were denied promotions to come out of the woodwork.
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Yeah Y-not....I was expecting something like that, but not this. This sucks.

Sexual harrassment has become a cash cow for a lot of unscrupulous females. I'd like to punch them in the face....the ones who just make shit up, or get all butt hurt over a dirty joke.

I had a boss throw me on his couch and tell me to take it or clean out my desk. .....I cleaned out my desk and never looked back. .....That was sexual harrassment. It happens. All these hysterical made up cases are bullshit.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 05:36 AM (XkwIi)

234 Posted by: Zombie Jackie Gingrich

I'm still alive, you know.

Posted by: Jackie Gingrich at October 31, 2011 05:36 AM (IfkGz)

Posted by: john at October 31, 2011 05:37 AM (nV/nk)

236 Lacey, your "Come here Rick Perry" underalls are showing. Good grief, you're being paid by the day, not the post, so give it a rest, ok?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 31, 2011 05:37 AM (PYxvn)

237 The one has nothing to do with the other, unless you want it to. You don't like Cain as president? Fine. But it could be your preferred candidates who gets the Bullshitico treatment next. If it is, I'm not gonna say "I don't think he/she/it is ready for prime time, so I'm going to let these accusations slide." Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 10:35 AM (YjjrR) Because this is EXACTLY what happens when you try to run for the highest office in the land without ever having run for any other office before. This is EXACTLY what happens when you run of the highest office in the land without ever having been vetted before ( and I don't want to hear about obama not being vetted, he wasn't and will never be by this MSM, but that is a whole other argument).

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:37 AM (i6RpT)

238 I dare any of the women I work with to file a harassment complaint. It's Halloween. So far, we've got 2 Slutty Cops, a Slutty Dorothy, Slutty Red Riding Hood, Slutty Cat, Slutty Referee and a Slutty Zombie. No Slutty French Maid. Kids these days have no respect for the classics. Disappointing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 05:37 AM (0yt4x)

239 A fun read.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 10:33 AM (pLTLS)

Confirming what I already knew...the FLOTUS is a real twit!

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 05:38 AM (R3k3C)

240

Damnit, that came out wrong in one respect: I wasn't dissing you, alexthechick. I'm just getting angrier by the moment that it appears a decent man is getting destroyed here, and some of the rocks being hurled at him are coming from our side.

Sorry.

Apology accepted but not needed, I didn't take it that way.  I actually agree that it is complete and utter total bullshit that these accusations can be hurled about with no names attached. 

Hell, I can go on (and on and on) about the problems with sexual harassment claims in general regarding burdens of proof and rights to confront and all that good stuff. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2011 05:38 AM (VtjlW)

241 Look, I appreciate that many of these allegations are bogus, but this particular story strikes me as significantly more specific than Anita Hill's.

I disagree. All I've heard is hearsay about unnamed accusers and undisclosed settlements from unnamed sources.  Until people start making with actual evidence, this is a he said/? said.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 05:39 AM (FkKjr)

242 Good grief, you're being paid by the day, not the post, so give it a rest, ok?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (PYxvn)

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Who the fuck are you? 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:39 AM (5H6zj)

243

At least someone is skewering Flotus.

 

 

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 05:40 AM (7enUC)

244 Good grief, you're being paid by the day, not the post, so give it a rest, ok?

Cute.

Sorry your candidate's a fuck-up.

I've been hearing it about mine for quite some time now. Your turn.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:40 AM (pLTLS)

245 229 I mean the whole "gottcha" thing about people running for office ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:41 AM (GvYeG)

246

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (0yt4x)

Not even a Slutty Pirate?  I thought that set-up would be universal for Halloween.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 31, 2011 05:41 AM (9hSKh)

247 I don't even talk to women at work.

Posted by: dick cheese at October 31, 2011 05:43 AM (IfkGz)

248 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:37 AM (0yt4x)

...and where is your office located?

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 05:43 AM (R3k3C)

249 I'm a slutty "Tallahassee" from Zombieland ... totally hawt!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:43 AM (GvYeG)

250 I don't even talk to women at work.

Smart, smart move.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 05:43 AM (pLTLS)

251
If telling a woman "I want to pour milk all over that ass and make it part of my complete breakfast" is harassment, then fine, technically I'm a "harasser."
Posted by: Empire of Jeff






However, many did praise your creatively for discovering such an innovative use for a Winnie-the-Pooh spoon-sitter...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 31, 2011 05:44 AM (oBrVT)

252

Good grief, you're being paid by the day, not the post, so give it a rest, ok?

i'd focus on Romney not Perry if I was Cainiac

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Cardinals Tonight at October 31, 2011 05:44 AM (yAor6)

253

When Perry got blasted because of a damn rock, I saw a lot of R's rushing to condemn him.

Cain is not responding in a professional manner.

Just address this and move on.

It's the only way to recover from it.

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 05:44 AM (xeVap)

254 I disagree. All I've heard is hearsay about unnamed accusers and undisclosed settlements from unnamed sources.

What I mean is that Anita's allegations were never pursued.  Her evidence was conversations she had with third parties.  The incident(s) itself (hair in Coke, long dong silver) was trivial enough that the principle party involved could reasonably have forgotten it even if it had occurred. 

The story here is much more specific and verifiable: that two specific women made allegations that resulted in settlements. 

So, yes, I agree with you that so far it's unnamed people and unnamed sources, but the ability to deny it is greater in the sense that official channels were involved. 

I just think if you are going to make something up, you'd make up something more vague and subject to interpretation like Anita Hill's allegations, not something that would have HR records, settlement payments, etc.

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:44 AM (5H6zj)

255 I don't even talk to women at work. You sir are a smart person. Unfortunatly it's the only way. Unless of course you have elevator eyes.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 05:44 AM (ZDUD4)

256 well slutty in a male slut sort of way ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 05:45 AM (GvYeG)

257 oops, forgot to change my nic

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 31, 2011 05:45 AM (yAor6)

258 Not even a Slutty Pirate?  I thought that set-up would be universal for Halloween. It's likely there's one on the next floor - there's about 100 more employees over there, but I can be bothered to go look. Chair is comfy. And waiting for this Access query to finish running is fucking riveting.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 05:45 AM (XE2Oo)

259 There are so many things wrong with this story.  Let me just put it in capsule form:  I don't care.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 05:45 AM (G5JPI)

260 Were you this upset when it happened to Perry?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:36 AM

Which "happened to Perry" do you mean? You talking about Tardisil? The Magic Rock?

As it happens, I consider both to be far less disgusting than the Bullshitico hit on Cain, if only because they had some demonstrable connection to reality.

If you mean "did it take Perry off the top spot on my list for the nomination?" the answer is no, it didn't.

Unsubstantiated attacks against anyone make me angry. Even against Mutt Romney or Ron Paul.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 31, 2011 05:46 AM (YjjrR)

261 Heh.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at October 31, 2011 05:46 AM (vbh31)

262

I don't even talk to women at work.

who says that'll stop them?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 31, 2011 05:46 AM (yAor6)

263 The test today is on Cain's staff. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 09:24 AM (OWjjx) ******* Haven't they already-essentially failed the test? Mark Block makes a commercial that is almost all about- Mark Block. Herman Cain said the one thing to recommend him as President is that-as a CEO-he knows how to hire the right people. Mark Block has some resume.... And, the commercial he made didn't give you too many reasons to vote for Herman Cain -but it sure brought Mark Block-front and center. Just imagine what the media would do to Sarah Palin had she made a hire like that...! What is going on with the media?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 05:46 AM (rJVPU)

264 250. Really, is your place of business hiring?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 05:46 AM (A1uUz)

265 Fuck them. When they explain to me why Obama has no past then I'll bite.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 05:47 AM (7enUC)

266 Speaking about how little attention is given to Obama's history, yesterday I pointed out that Mondo from the blog Double plus undead, had an article at American Thinker about various "holes" in Obamas past . Yet, there is no curiosity about Obama. I agree that vetting our candidates is important, but I do not agree that we should assume anything written about our candidates in Politico is necessarily true. As I said, when I heard Rove say he "hopes" there is nothing to this story, it confirmed my feelings about Rove--and who he is pushing on us. Romney.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 05:47 AM (6IV8T)

267

Herman Cain sexually harassed two women. Period.

 

As we’ve been taught here, it doesn’t matter what the facts are, if anything ever happened at all or who is responsible for bringing this story up.  The great unwashed now have this in their mind and it can’t be erased.

 

Even if a comedian had made this up as part of a SNL skit, it’s still reason to totally reject Cain as a viable nominee.

 

So it is written.

Posted by: jwest at October 31, 2011 05:48 AM (qeYI9)

268 Hell imagine if Sarah Palin had said she could picture herself trading all of the hostages (sic) of Guantanamo for one US service member... What the hell is going on with the media?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 05:48 AM (rJVPU)

269

Butter is so too a food group!

OM NOM NOM

Even better with maple syrup.

Posted by: David Frum, OT-ing from the sidebar at October 31, 2011 05:48 AM (zgHLA)

270

As I said, when I heard Rove say he "hopes" there is nothing to this story, it confirmed my feelings about Rove--and who he is pushing on us. Romney.

oh shit, you just gave the call for the Romneybots to descend...

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 31, 2011 05:48 AM (yAor6)

271 who says that'll stop them?

Sadly, this is true, too:

"He hates women.  He won't talk to us beyond the minimum required to do his job.  It makes me uncomfortable to have such a misogynist in the unit."

Yes, I've been in a group where one of the guys had sexual harassment charges filed against him specifically because of that.

Like I said: for some reason, harassment is the only part of law where the perception of the accuser is the most important thing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 05:49 AM (8y9MW)

272 You guys ran curious off so fast we didn't get to hear how many of her friends were sexually harassed by Herman Cain.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 05:49 AM (7enUC)

273 Can any of our legal eagles opine on whether or not Human Resources or the Association's legal counsel would be able to issue a flat denial about there ever being employees who complained and received a settlement?  If the women are made up, then they don't need to be protected so I would think that the Restaurant Association could issue a statement to that effect. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:49 AM (5H6zj)

274 billygoat at October 31, 2011 10:43 AM

No shit. I'll even drive.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 05:50 AM (40Wzt)

275 "He hates women.  He won't talk to us beyond the minimum required to do his job.  It makes me uncomfortable to have such a misogynist in the unit."

Thought you were talking about Barry there for a second.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 31, 2011 05:50 AM (FkKjr)

276 i just hope moving a

Posted by: mayella ewell at October 31, 2011 05:52 AM (SH3gZ)

277 It is odd how the MFM has no interest in the first gay President.

Posted by: dick cheese at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (IfkGz)

278 Can any of our legal eagles opine on whether or not Human Resources or the Association's legal counsel would be able to issue a flat denial about there ever being employees who complained and received a settlement? Shoot wasn't there a case where they did do some go around like that... Ga-can't remember....

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (rJVPU)

279 chifferobe wasn't involved....we all know how that will turn out

Posted by: mayella ewell at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (SH3gZ)

280

Can any of our legal eagles opine on whether or not Human Resources or the Association's legal counsel would be able to issue a flat denial about there ever being employees who complained and received a settlement?  If the women are made up, then they don't need to be protected so I would think that the Restaurant Association could issue a statement to that effect.

The guy from the Association stated in the article that they never discuss personnel issues.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (JxMoP)

281 "Sorry your candidate's a fuck-up. I've been hearing it about mine for quite some time now." Not from me. I'm the one who trademarked the phrase: "Rick Perry is never as strong as he seems. Rick Perry is never as weak as he seems." But you've taken the gold medal in # of posts using the term "train-wreck" in one day. But, hey, if you prefer repetitiveness over creativity & insight, more power to you.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (PYxvn)

282 Um.....Restaurant Association. Restaurants have a lot of SEIU people working for them. Don't they?

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (XkwIi)

283   280

Herman Cain sexually harassed two women. Period.

 

The poor, poor things will get over it.  Really, they WILL.  Trust me.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2011 05:53 AM (Iaxlk)

284 Late to the ball this morning and haven't read all the above to see if it's already linked, but here's Cain analysis from a conservative source: the Other McCain.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 31, 2011 05:54 AM (OKhgI)

285 250. Really, is your place of business hiring? Yes. And the HR guy seems to like tall girls with big tits and long hair. So, try to be one of those, I guess. And to the guy whose strategy is not to talk to women at work: Now you're "The Creepy Guy Who Never Talks." So every time you DO look at the women in your office, it's a creepy look. Anything you do can be construed as harassment, cock-man-oppressor. Embrace it. Love it. Cup one of its ass-cheeks and stick your tongue in its ear. You're employed at the whim of the gal in your office who likes you the least. Happy Monday!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 05:54 AM (l9zgN)

286 290 It is odd how the MFM has no interest in the first gay President.

Posted by: dick cheese at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (IfkGz)

You'd think they'd be all into the first muslim president too, right?

Posted by: Imam Obama at October 31, 2011 05:54 AM (hGb5f)

287

Bill Clinton groped at least one woman,  raped another, and used his position as a Powerful Man to get BJ's from a third.  Period.

Liberals simply don't care.  Period.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (Iaxlk)

288 And waiting for this Access query to finish running is fucking riveting.

Sounds like a runaway Cartesian.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (vbh31)

289 Funny how the same assholes that supported Bill Clinton all of a sudden have a problem with sexual harrasment...its also funny to me that Obama has admitted to snorting coke, living in Indonesia half his life and waking up to the call to prayer, and yet no anonymos source has been found that saw him snort it or saw him bow to meccah.

Posted by: Mr Pink at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (zV70x)

290 Look I've heard of cases where a guy has been fired and still goes to court and gets found innocent...yet the company still fired him. One thing in Herman Cain's favor is the National Restaurant Association did not fire Herman Cain. So even though there might have been a settlement -it seems they believed Herman Cain.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (rJVPU)

291 The guy from the Association stated in the article that they never discuss personnel issues

But if the personnel (the unnamed women) are made up out of whole cloth, why can't they discuss that?  Do you see what I mean? 

It just seems to me they could issue a one line denial that said: "During his tenure as CEO/President of the National Restaurant Association, Mr. Cain was never the subject of complaints about his behavior that led to severance payouts" (or whatever the HR-speak for that would be). 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (5H6zj)

292 Um.....Restaurant Association. Restaurants have a lot of SEIU people working for them. Don't they? Hmm, damn fine point. You need to get that one to the masses. If rush reads our posts as much as I think he does, look for that little tid bit on his show.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (ZDUD4)

293 Tony LaRussa is retiring? Way to go I guess

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (i6RpT)

294 A good friend of mine is a supervisor in a government agency. After a month in that position the Friday before the Thanksgiving holiday he made the comment to a few of his staff, "Hope everyone has good a weekend and I guess we will come back a little plumper on Monday." A female staffer complained to the E.O.O. about the comment. She was disgruntled and the complaint didn't go anywhere but he still had to answer his superiors about his intent.

I always I think of this incident when I hear about these accusations. There is a lot of lunatics out there with an ax to grind.

Posted by: Long Island at October 31, 2011 05:55 AM (TiURi)

295 I'm relieved he's hetero. That whole girls' bike and pokistani boy toy thing makes the US look bad overseas.

Posted by: dagny at October 31, 2011 05:56 AM (7enUC)

296 303 Look I've heard of cases where a guy has been fired and still goes to court and gets found innocent...yet the company still fired him.

Yeah, I understand that.  He was the top guy, though. 

I've seen the "CEO" get away with all sorts of HR shit that would lead to discipline or firing of lower-ranked employees. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 05:57 AM (5H6zj)

297 Darn the sock and damn my attention span.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 31, 2011 05:57 AM (ZDUD4)

298

Apparently, those women have no right to complain.  Cain had a sign clearly posted in his office that read:

"WARNING - Sexual harassment in this area will NOT be reported.  It will, however, be graded."

Posted by: bernverdnardo at October 31, 2011 05:57 AM (xXhWA)

299 Um.....Restaurant Association. Restaurants have a lot of SEIU people working for them. Don't they? Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 ******* Probably- particularly at that level.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 05:58 AM (rJVPU)

300
While Cain was being framed the JEF was getting BJ's  form his boyfriend. Funny how we don't hear much about the JEF's sexcapades.

Posted by: Theorist at October 31, 2011 05:58 AM (JOOIE)

301 In the movies, they always use a wooden mallet to pound in the stake. These guys are using heavy duty electric tools. In this case, there probably isn't going to be one of those scenes where the monster's eyes pop open and it yanks the spike out of it's chest.

Posted by: Errol at October 31, 2011 05:58 AM (vewos)

302 287 billygoat at October 31, 2011 10:43 AM

No shit. I'll even drive.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (40Wzt)

ROAD TRIP!!!

Posted by: billygoat at October 31, 2011 05:59 AM (R3k3C)

303

>> And waiting for this Access query to finish running is fucking riveting.

You know, if you'd just upgrade to SQL Server 2010 and our SQL Server Management Suite, we could probably cut that query response time in half.

 

Posted by: Bill Gates in Texas at October 31, 2011 05:59 AM (WvXvd)

304 298 250. Really, is your place of business hiring?
Yes. And the HR guy seems to like tall girls with big tits and long hair. So, try to be one of those, I guess.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

Posted by: Corky the Retard at October 31, 2011 06:00 AM (R3k3C)

305

Back in the '90's companies were not as employee-centric as today.  Today, Cain would have been fired or asked to leave by the second complaint (if not the first), regardless of whether any of it was true or not.

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at October 31, 2011 06:00 AM (8DdAv)

306 And I'm sure your boy Perry had nothing to do with pushing this story Drew. Fuck you.

Posted by: motionview at October 31, 2011 06:01 AM (zRbkQ)

307 But you've taken the gold medal in # of posts using the term "train-wreck" in one day. But, hey, if you prefer repetitiveness over creativity & insight, more power to you.

I used it once. Sorry counting is hard for you.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 06:01 AM (pLTLS)

308 If we are talking about pure politics, Cain or his staff dropped the ball on this one. Every good campaign manager has a come to Jesus sit down with the candidate to flesh out the most minute negative events or actions that have occurred in their life. They then construct a credible defense response for each one. It's apparent they didn't do that in this matter.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 31, 2011 06:02 AM (IqM9e)

309

Drew. 

You seem unhappy with cain's successes.

How come?

Nobody's really adequately explained to me why this guy isn't acceptable.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 06:02 AM (G5JPI)

310 Now you're "The Creepy Guy Who Never Talks." So every time you DO look at the women in your office, it's a creepy look.

Yup.  Women hate not getting attention from men even more than they hate "inappropriate" attention.  The Left picked well when they chose feminism as the vehicle to destroy Western civilization.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2011 06:03 AM (tqwMN)

311

i'd focus on Romney not Perry if I was Cainiac

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Cardinals Tonight at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (yAor6)


If I were Cainiac Curious, I'd focus on getting a job and a life and getting out of my parents' basement.

Posted by: NC Ref at October 31, 2011 06:03 AM (GrCp5)

312 Two words: Move On.

Posted by: sexypig at October 31, 2011 06:03 AM (UspyQ)

313 But if the personnel (the unnamed women) are made up out of whole cloth, why can't they discuss that?  Do you see what I mean?

Because policy never takes reality into account.  Yes, really.

Working for BCBSTX, I sometimes had to help gather information for various legal purposes.  BlueCross's policy was never to grant ANY KIND of documentation (for legal inquiries) without a warrant or subpoena.  That meant even a denial that we had the documents.

Yes, you read that right: a warrant or subpoena had to come through requesting specific documents for us to say, "We never had those, we can find no proof that so-and-so was ever an employee (or customer, or contracting provider, or whatever).

It wouldn't surprise me if the Natn'l Restaurant Association had a similar policy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)

314 Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (i6RpT)

He knows that it's only a matter of time before he gets busted for being an HGH and steroid enabler. Quit while you're ahead!

Prick.

I can't stand him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 06:04 AM (3vSLn)

315 Nobody's really adequately explained to me why this guy isn't acceptable.

Are you serious?

He has no experience in running a successful campaign and is running for the highest land in office and the most precarious time in our nation's history and you need an explanation as to why he scares the snot out of us?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 06:04 AM (pLTLS)

316 Isn't Polutico the organ of record that broke the John Edwards story/
No? NYT? Post? Tribune?
 Ah lets see a Democrat Presidential candidate impregnates GF and hides her at taxpayer expense providing hush money from his campaign and ah no worries, but a black man maybe tells a joke about sex getting some uber libs panties in a knot and IMPEACH!
Did ya hear anything about the pot smoking, non writing, disbarred head of the Harvard Review when the kING ran fo Pres?
Crickets,
Cain vs. Unable 2012

Posted by: Conceakled Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 06:04 AM (vXqv3)

317 i want the record...... train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck, train wreck......

Posted by: phoenixgirl ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at October 31, 2011 06:04 AM (SH3gZ)

318 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (l9zgN)

Yup. The power of the vagina and uterus is immense.

Treat us the same...except when we want to be treated differently!

The war against boys and men has not ended.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 06:05 AM (3vSLn)

319 You know, if you'd just upgrade to SQL Server 2010 and our SQL Server Management Suite, we could probably cut that query response time in half.

Yes, at an average of only $49.95 per query!

Posted by: The Marketing Department at October 31, 2011 06:06 AM (vbh31)

320 You know, if you'd just upgrade to SQL Server 2010 and our SQL Server Management Suite, we could probably cut that query response time in half. The problem is that my instance of Windows Server 2003 is running on the same server on which the live SQL database resides. Anytime you run a query over half a million records is a good time to take a nap. I'm supposed to get my own server, but I'm still waiting.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 06:06 AM (XE2Oo)

321

But if the personnel (the unnamed women) are made up out of whole cloth, why can't they discuss that?  Do you see what I mean? 

I suppose so but the authors of the article claim to have seen documentation regarding the allegations from the investigation and settlement. If this were fake then the documents would also have to have been faked and in this case I could see the Association making the type of statement you suggest. They haven't, which leads me to believe that something did occur and was investigated.

On the other hand, the apparent settlement "in the five figures" leads me to believe that the whole thing was likely BS and that the association paid them to go away. Truly damning behavior would be worth a whole lot more than "in the five figures" and given that the article doesn't even describe how high in the five figures makes me think it was really small potatoes.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 06:07 AM (JxMoP)

322 Fair enough, Lacey.  But I don't see what he's done wrong so far.  It's been a brilliant insurgent campaign.  The only people who are upset about what he's done are people who won't vote for him anyway.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 06:07 AM (G5JPI)

323 New post.

One wherein we can concentrate on the real enemy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 06:08 AM (8y9MW)

324 Fox says they will have Cain on at 12:20 to answer the "allegations".

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:10 AM (YdQQY)

325 Thanks for reading my incoherent run-on sentence, Truman

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 06:10 AM (pLTLS)

326 You know, if you'd just upgrade to SQL Server 2010 and our SQL Server Management Suite, we could probably cut that query response time in half.

Posted by: The Marketing Department at October 31
Yes, at an average of only $49.95 per query!

Careful analysis of this entire thread indicates that these two comments are the most sensible and relevant to date.
We declare this thread winners.

Posted by: Engineering Department at October 31, 2011 06:10 AM (Qxe/p)

327 just to clarify, "sexual harassment" can be anything, and does not necessarily mean sexual. it could easily mean that the women involved were not given a promotion they thought they deserved. It could also mean that Herman used words they took offense at, such as sweetie. Due to his age, he would not feel those words were offensive. So let's not all convict him, alright? any settlement was done by his company, not him. He may have been barely aware of offending these women until the lawsuit.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 31, 2011 06:11 AM (6IV8T)

328

So he made an "inappropriate gesture(s)" which "made two women uncomfortable"?  That's what I read somewhere. 

Meanwhile, over at OWS...  soliciting prostitution of a minor kidnapped at rally...  saved by undercover cop "john" and her family finding her picture on the Internet.  First customer was to be "Mad Mike."    

Posted by: Beagle at October 31, 2011 06:11 AM (sOtz/)

329 It appears the Perrywinkles (and Mittbots) have decided with the cowboy stuck in single digits they will bash the leader in hopes of elevating their pathetic inarticulate version of Bush II.
I seem to remember something similar re: Sarah Palin and Tuscon when all the Repugs hid while she was bashed unmercifully and without reason.
Your man is going nowhere kids his solydra type payments to green energy firms and his illegal alien outreach have doomed him Sorry to break the news but that's the way Rick Rolls.

Posted by: Conceakled Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 06:11 AM (vXqv3)

330 337 Fox says they will have Cain on at 12:20 to answer the "allegations".
Thanks Vic. ....I hope you're feeling okay today.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 06:12 AM (XkwIi)

331 *If* there never was a settlement involving Herman Cain then there is nothing constraining The National Restaurant Association form saying that-specifically.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 06:12 AM (rJVPU)

332 I love you, Lacey.  Even when we disagree.  Especially when we disagree.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 06:13 AM (G5JPI)

333 "And I'm sure your boy Perry had nothing to do with pushing this story Drew. Fuck you."

politico is a liberal website
Romeny is the most liberal GOP candidate.

Do the math.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:13 AM (40Wzt)

334 151 " If you have ever slept with Janet Napolitano," Pretty sure your money is safe with this bet. Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:12 AM (40Wzt) I f can find a man to sleep with, anyone can.

Posted by: That's DOCTOR Christina Romer to you, bitch!1!!1! at October 31, 2011 06:14 AM (le5qc)

335 334 Yep.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 06:14 AM (rJVPU)

336 345 I'll dial back the eleventy!!!1!1!!! when Mittens is our nominee. Everything inside me will feel dead so I'm getting it all out now!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 06:14 AM (pLTLS)

337 "It appears the Perrywinkles (and Mittbots) have decided with the cowboy stuck in single digits they will bash the leader in hopes of elevating their pathetic inarticulate version of Bush II."

So Romney supporters are helping Perry?

Sort of early in the day to be high, isn't it?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:15 AM (40Wzt)

338 LOL, we'll get the truth now. Fox is interviewing The Hill reporters now.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:15 AM (YdQQY)

339 Treat us the same...except when we want to be treated differently!

If I may interject, the guys who are saying they speak only bare minimum with women at work are apparently (by qualifying their comment with women) treating women differently

My husband is formal with all of his employees.  It sucks, but that's just the way it has to be.  Frankly, when he was in California and there were a lot of homosexuals in his workplace, it really paid off as a general policy.  He just kept his distance with all of them.

I know it sucks, but there are bad bosses out there, so this is not just a matter of women as a class taking advantage of a situation.  Sometimes the allegations are true. 

As for Cain, my money is on that he was sloppy at work so there were a couple of incidents that were borderline enough to result in some action.  I also suspect the reason Politico put this story out is to try to fish for other women who did not file complaints to come out of the woodwork.  That would be par for the course for Politico. 

Posted by: Y-not at October 31, 2011 06:15 AM (5H6zj)

340

Jwest (#44) responds to: “…so I saved myself 5 years in court and endless legal fees and I paid them off.”

Jwest says: "That type of thinking doesn’t wash here.  According the AoS theory, anyone seeking public office should fight every legal battle to the bitter end even if it bankrupts you, your family, your employees and ruins everything you’ve ever worked for. Cain obviously isn’t qualified for the office."

So, Jwest, tells us what public office Cain was seeking when this scandal went down, in the 1990's:

Posted by: Ed at October 31, 2011 06:16 AM (ywLUS)

341 @346: Romney's the only GOP candidate even in the ballpark of clever enough to be pulling this.  Perry and Cain are in a contest to run the most inept campaign ever: one by commission, one by omission.

That said, I think this is simply the MFM defending their dreamy boyfriend Barack.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2011 06:17 AM (tqwMN)

342 Thanks Vic. ....I hope you're feeling okay today.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (XkwIi)

Feeling good, thanks.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:17 AM (YdQQY)

343  I need a new bullshit meter, mine isn't heavy duty enough. You best show me names, dates, and places.  Plus the ultimate disposition of the cases. And, if applicable, the suit for breaking confidentiality.

  Lacking that, nice try, scum who tried this.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 31, 2011 06:18 AM (SAMxH)

344 Fox news guy just admitted it! They broke the story of Bush DUI charge in the "waning days"of Bush-Gore campaign. They openly admit an Oct surprise.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:18 AM (YdQQY)

345 I'll dial back the eleventy!!!1!1!!! when Mittens is our nominee. Everything inside me will feel dead so I'm getting it all out now!

Does vomiting all over the ballot invalidate it?  I may need to not eat anything for 24 hours in advance of election day if Mittens gets the nod.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2011 06:19 AM (tqwMN)

346 My husband is formal with all of his employees.  It sucks, but that's just the way it has to be.

Someone asked about books for supervisors the other day after being promoted to a supervisor slot. My response , among a lot of others, was a supervisor has no "friends".

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:21 AM (YdQQY)

347 Well its 12:22 and no Cain???

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:22 AM (YdQQY)

348 OK he's on now.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:23 AM (YdQQY)

349 @360: It's 11:22?  Unless my entire company missed a daylight savings change

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2011 06:24 AM (tqwMN)

350 My brother was fasely accused of molestation.  I am VERY skeptical of all claims.  Our court system is a joke and feminists who cry allegations but defende Clinton can fu(k off.

Posted by: Skeptical at October 31, 2011 06:25 AM (VxqUc)

351 He's says he was falsely accused and investigation showed that it was baseless.

Says any settlement by the Restaurant Association was done outside of his purview and he had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:25 AM (YdQQY)

352 Does vomiting all over the ballot invalidate it?

I'm close enough to my polling place that I can walk. I'll have to walk as I'll be lit if I have to pull the lever for him.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 06:25 AM (pLTLS)

353 So Cain is denying there was a settlement involving him over a false sexual harrassment accusation.

Denying a settlement occurred or did I misunderstand what he said?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:25 AM (40Wzt)

354 The sad thing; a lot of Perry supporters are going "yessss" in private.

1. This is a from a third party who supposedly worked for the NRA at the time.
2. There were agreements signed to keep the settlement and the complaint private.
3. As the Head of the Association, Cain would be still bound by that settlement to keep quiet. Unless one of the principals broke their silence.
4. Given all that, there's no way of knowing whether their complaints were justified as no other complaints have surfaced (yet).

Did anyone really expect the Dems (or the elitist Reps) to let a chance like this go by?

Sarah Palin gets thousands of individuals vetting her. Cain is just starting to get the media colonoscopy. Meanwhile the MFM can't find ONE fellow student at any of the schools Obama attended. Nor his grades, nor his "accomplishments" etc. etc.

The candidates better get their minds right and understand they're not running just against Obama, they're also running against the MFM.

Posted by: Valar Morghulis at October 31, 2011 06:26 AM (EntKW)

355 " I need a new bullshit meter, mine isn't heavy duty enough. You best show me names, dates, and places. Plus the ultimate disposition of the cases. And, if applicable, the suit for breaking confidentiality.

Lacking that, nice try, scum who tried this.

Posted by: irongrampa at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM"

So nice it needs to be said twice.

Posted by: Nora at October 31, 2011 06:27 AM (VxqUc)

356 "a lot of Perry  Romney supporters"

FIFY

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:27 AM (40Wzt)

357

Remember sexual harassment back then?  Every boss was Dabney Coleman in 9 to 5 (allegedly) and dirty jokes were suddenly actionable.  It was a bit like the satanic sexual abuse thing a few years before, hysteria followed by reflection. 

Settling a case for "nuisance value" makes a lot of sense in a (then) new area of law which brings a lot of negative publicity.  

Until you run for president. 

Posted by: Beagle at October 31, 2011 06:27 AM (sOtz/)

358 Denying a settlement occurred or did I misunderstand what he said?

He says "he" made no settlement. He says "if" the R.A. made a settlement it was outside of his knowledge and control.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 06:27 AM (YdQQY)

359

It sure doesn't take much to get named as an oppressor  in a sex harassment  investigation.   As a supervisor I got nailed because a woman working for me said she did not feel that she could report a claimed instance of sexual harassment by another male to me.

Considering that the woman was on her way out the door for general incompetence, and that the alleged instance of harassment would have  required the harasser to have arms 8 feet long, she was probably right.

Until someone comes up with photographic evidence of Herman Cain's hands on the nubile backside of his secretary, I ain't buying.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at October 31, 2011 06:28 AM (3ESDJ)

360

Jwest says: "That type of thinking doesn’t wash here.  According the AoS theory, anyone seeking public office should fight every legal battle to the bitter end even if it bankrupts you, your family, your employees and ruins everything you’ve ever worked for. Cain obviously isn’t qualified for the office."

I think Jwest sums things up nicely. And I do believe I detect just a bit of sarcasm in his last sentence.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 06:28 AM (7+pP9)

361

But...let's not let a lack of facts get in the way of the cain hate.

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 09:31 AM (YQ4mh)

I agree with that.

Proof? Aside from Politico's own reputable problems, that this attack comes from Carl Cameron specifically leaves it as likely his own fabrication as anything else. Cameron's the fraud who quotes himself on his own opinions as an unnamed Congressional spokesman. Now, though the smear would, if proven true which is highly not likely to happen, eventually help Mitt's campaign, Cain just beat Perry in Texas' poll. And Perry has big bucks to spend, and given his low level of popular appeal as potus, Perry has limited time to spend his war chest towards promoting himself becoming potus. If this story comes from a Republican opponent, it follows the campaign tactics of Perry as well as of Romney. If Romney plays this, he'll frame Perry for the leak to wipe both candidates off the campaign trail and clear the deck with smears.

Though it's not impossible to deny the strategy alleged by Lee Atwater's Ghost as a possibility, I doubt it happened that way. First, I doubt the story. Besides, no Republican in their right mind would entrust the likes of Carl Cameron or Politico to properly handle one's demise. "Here, Carl. Take this knife, cut off my nuts and hang them to dry for public exhibition." 

--

Also, by leaking it yourself you also control the response because you know it's coming and you can blame it on the Republican establishment, which would be devoured by a large number of primary voters.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 31, 2011 09:31 AM (JxMoP)

I was just thinking the same thing

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 31, 2011 09:32 AM (i6RpT)

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 06:29 AM (lpWVn)

362 So is he spinning it into he doesn't know if there was a settlement made?


Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:29 AM (40Wzt)

363 Maybe Herman was discussing the Starr Report (it was during the 90's) and the women were upset over him reading what Clintern was doing with cigars.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The at October 31, 2011 06:29 AM (UU0OF)

364 Mr. Cain, when exactly did you stop beating your wife, according to our unnamed sources?

Posted by: Politico / NYSlimes / Wapo / TheHill / RollCall at October 31, 2011 06:29 AM (VxqUc)

365
I'm in the top post talking to myself about this topic because lower posts are for losers.

That's how I roll.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 06:30 AM (sqkOB)

366 Radio news, Restaurant Assoc. Board members deny the story's validity.

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 06:32 AM (lpWVn)

367 Why are the Romney supporters trying to blame this on Perry? Perry is dead in the water per both the Romney fans and Cain supporters. Cain and Romney are the frontrunners, seems to me that Romney has the most to gain, since he is losing in the national polling to Cain.

Pretty desperate move by the mittens fans if you ask me.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:35 AM (40Wzt)

368 The MFM outrage against Cain "promoting" smoking (crucify the chief of staff) is layered with an unnamed source smear of sexual NUANCE, coming from Carl Cameron--not credible.

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 06:37 AM (lpWVn)

369

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 10:07 AM (k1rwm)

come back more abuse or are you blackmailing again bitch?

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of Curious at October 31, 2011 06:37 AM (yAor6)

370 i'll fix my nic better since curious hides behind diff nics

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 06:38 AM (yAor6)

371

Pretty desperate move by the mittens fans if you ask me.

the Romneybots rather dance on Perry's grave then pay attention to the guy who's beating their mancrush right now

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 06:39 AM (yAor6)

372

Really Palinistas?  Really?  Why isn't the grizzly princess in the race if she is so superior to Cain and Perry?

#thebutthurtohthebutthurt 

Posted by: Nora at October 31, 2011 06:45 AM (VxqUc)

373 Cain denies having EVER sexually harassed anyone.

Mitt's '08 campaign spread shit on opponents hoping it would stick. Perry's '10 primary campaign relied on smearing his opponents. Obama would never have won any election were it not for releasing legally sealed information against his opponent.

It's one thing for Cain to discount the smear. Another to prove it's a smear by exposing the fraud. Quite another to prove who leaked on Cameron if it wasn't hack Cameron tinkling down his own leg onto pathetic Politico to seem relevant.

Until the story is proven valid, names exposed, board votes and checks cashed, whoever leaked it has that much time to fabricate the so-called substantiation.


Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 06:49 AM (lpWVn)

374

  Seen the Lefty hit on Walid Phares, smart guy and Romney advisor?  He's being guilt-by-associationed for the Lebanese civil war and being a Christian.  It's all amazingly slanderous trying to link him to war crimes when he was writing scholarly books and articles.  Next up, Will Romney marry a second wife while in White House?, NYT Headline on 12/13/11.

It makes more sense for the Left to be smearing Cain than Romney imo.  They are all class warfare and scorched earth this year.   Romney just needs to continue to screw up less and sound presidential.  His worse 'gaffe' was being honest about the housing market.    

 

 

Posted by: Beagle at October 31, 2011 06:49 AM (sOtz/)

375 "Perry's '10 primary campaign relied on smearing his opponents."

Sure it did.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 06:50 AM (40Wzt)

376 Hope none of that "special sauce" ended up on someone's pizza.

Posted by: Chuckit at October 31, 2011 06:52 AM (tNRS0)

377 So is he spinning it into he doesn't know if there was a settlement made?

Cain denies having EVER sexually harassed anyone.

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 06:53 AM (lpWVn)

378 Nameless women? Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: And, SCOAMF, and stuff at October 31, 2011 07:08 AM (idLY2)

379 Employment Practices Liability Insurance.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 07:56 AM (rJVPU)

380

It's not so much that he's getting a taste of being the frontrunner, it's that he's getting a taste of being the REPUBLICAN frontrunner.

I've been away from the house, how many morning shows did Anita Hill do?

Posted by: Stephen at October 31, 2011 08:18 AM (wkR3c)

381 Raise your hand, ladies, if you've never had a black man say, "Hey girl, hey girl, HEY GIRL! Come holla at a brotha."

--Empire of Jeff


I've never had a black man who was my boss or in  my chain of command in the AF say this.  :::rolls eyes:::

Posted by: baldilocks at October 31, 2011 08:27 AM (T2/zQ)

382 *yikes* Scary sexual black man!!!! *runz in Progressively smaller circles*

Posted by: Running Hobo at October 31, 2011 08:44 AM (l1oyw)

383 Anyone wonder what happened to all the MSM scrutiny that Obie managed not to get when he was running for office?

They saved it for Cain.


Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at October 31, 2011 08:45 AM (1rHeD)

384 This is typical stuff and Cain knew it was coming...Cain may be a novice politician but he has addressed it succinctly..."charges are baseless...and false...". At the same time he has been on message at both the AEI forum on the 999 plan, with Rich Lowerie and hit a grand slam at the National Press Club. econus.blogspot.com

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