November 29, 2005
— Ace I missed the whole controversy.
A poster kinda-sorta erred by posting a picture of a troll and his family. I say "kinda-sorta," because the guy had it up on a website (assuming it was him at all). Still, he didn't offer that connection to his personal life himself, and it's not cool to post stuff like that.
I was just on a site -- I don't think I'll bother to say which one, because I don't want to give them traffic* -- where the proprietors or someone involved began researching the IP's of conservative interlopers and outing the place of work they were posting from.
It's not really such horribly damaging information, but it's creepy and threatening. I don't know what someone could do with such information to really harm you, but the implied statement is "I can get to you personally. I can do things to screw up your life."
Empty threat? I don't know. I know it's possible to find the exact location someone's posting from with the right software. And with that-- who knows?
Monty and others were wise to caution against this, the guy who posted it manned up and confessed error and asked to have the information edited out of the post, and Laura did the right thing by honoring the request. Thanks, all.
And to the poster whose picture may (or may not) have been linked-- I apologize for that. You're annoying as hell, and you evade any point you don't have a glib answer for, but we deal in arguments (and insults) here, not in the public revelation of private information with the nasty insinuation that more might be coming.
As Monty (I think) said, "That's the way we don't roll."
Again, sorry I missed this controversy, and good on Laura for fixing it. And yes, Laura, I trust your judgement on these things and I don't think it's likely you're ever going to do something that makes me recoil in horror.
* I also wouldn't want you going there because they'd just start posting your IP address and getting your place of employment. And, who knows, making phone calls to your bosses. They also hack posts they don't like by taking all the vowels out of them -- a cute practice they call "disenvowelment" which they maintain, quite straight-facedly, has nothing at all to do with the censoring of points of view they don't like -- so you wouldn't have any fun there anyhow.
Edited: I took out the name of the poster who put the link up, because people thought I was picking on him, which wasn't my intention at all. It wasn't the worst thing ever done, he decided it was wrong, he asked for it to be edited out.
Guy posts provocative diatribes and family pictures under the same unusual moniker, and several somebodys Google it. That isn't even in the same universe as, say, posting an invisible IP sniffer in a thread, following the dotted quad upstream, discovering the attached employer and narking to the boss.
But, you know. Whatever.
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 29, 2005 03:41 PM (6ed4W)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 03:42 PM (qZ770)
Posted by: at November 29, 2005 03:44 PM (Ad7hS)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 03:48 PM (0AD+O)
By the way, I know I make some over-the-top statements at times to push my point across. 90% of what I say is tongue-in-cheek. 9% is serious and thoughtful. The last 1% is my over-use of hyphenated words.
What I mean to say is don't take everything I write so literally (except for the stuff about homos).
See? I can't help it.
P.S. Tubino is still a piece of shit, though. And thanks to geoff, I now know where he lives.
It's a joke.
Posted by: Bart at November 29, 2005 03:51 PM (C6Mf1)
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 03:52 PM (M7kiy)
No, it's not the same, but it's the same kind of idea.
And if you re-read what I wrote, I think you'll see I didn't exactly take Geoff out to the woodshed. I said he kinda-sorta erred, and I said he manned up, and I also noted, as you did, that the guy had the picture up himself.
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 03:57 PM (hBAty)
Posted by: Lipstick at November 29, 2005 03:58 PM (uXjP7)
There's a long and fruitful topic for discussion on the whole topic of privacy in the digital (and nano-tech) age. Is it a right or a privilege? Are there rules of etiquette? What are they?
We are writing history right now, and it pleases me that we are trying to do it right. Attaboys all around, geoff included.
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 04:01 PM (djE5R)
That's a link for an easy to use html anonymizer. Pop in the address and you're fine.
For a better solution, google "anonymous + public + proxy + server", find a list and start popping different server addresses into your browser's connection settings. In Firefox, Tools > Options > General > Connection settings > Manual Proxy Configuration. Once you put in those settings, just turn them on anytime you think someone might fuck with you.
They'll get an IP but it will be to some random server in Mexico City, Seoul or Milwaukee.
Word to the wise, if you're doing this from work, this won't keep your internal admin from seeing what you're doing.
Posted by: 1234 at November 29, 2005 04:02 PM (/HCUh)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 04:03 PM (0AD+O)
Yeah. In the same way Abu Ghraib and Auschwitz are the same kind of idea. In an idiotically superficial way.
But, hey, I've been doing this online thing since 1985. What do I know? I'll just go over there and put some panties on my head in penance, shall I?
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 29, 2005 04:04 PM (6ed4W)
I agree. I don't think what Geoff did was so horrid to begin with, and I thought it was classy to say he erred (even to the extent he did). That's why I didn't really think I was beating up on Geoff in the first place.
Still, while this wasn't so bad, I wanted to make my preference about this clear.
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 04:05 PM (hBAty)
I guess this is when I, too, say "Whatever." I've more or less agreed with you in broad terms but unless I agree to your precise phraseology, I'm an asshole.
As you say, "Whatever."
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 04:08 PM (hBAty)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 04:12 PM (qZ770)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 04:15 PM (0AD+O)
I'm afraid in the next year that politics may turn into violence like it did in the 60's.
Posted by: adolfo velasquez at November 29, 2005 04:21 PM (BMr8I)
Monty, while you're on your pedestal, could you explain the origins of Kwanza to us?
Posted by: Bart at November 29, 2005 04:22 PM (C6Mf1)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 04:24 PM (0AD+O)
Or do I have to go ahead with my plan of drawing a stick figure labeled "Melissa Theuriau" giving a hand job to another stick figure named "Ted" while the latter points his enormous wang toward an American flag?
That's the kind of dissent I like to call the deepest form of patriotism.
Posted by: Ted Rall at November 29, 2005 04:27 PM (BPhem)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 04:27 PM (0AD+O)
I could, but why should I? What's the benefit to me? Who'll be paying me my honorarium? And of course I'll require a limo, bottled water, and various fresh fruits in my dressing room. My people will contact your people with full details, along with the names of my business manager and entourage.
(Don't try to out-wise-ass the Master, sonny. I was crackin wise to the Man when you were still a warm ooze in your momma's buttcrack.)
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 04:31 PM (djE5R)
Posted by: at November 29, 2005 04:34 PM (Ad7hS)
Posted by: Bart at November 29, 2005 04:35 PM (C6Mf1)
Made you look.
Posted by: Guy T. at November 29, 2005 04:38 PM (MLU9k)
Posted by: spurwind plover at November 29, 2005 04:40 PM (C6Mf1)
Posted by: BrewFan at November 29, 2005 04:41 PM (0AD+O)
two consecutive minutes?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 04:45 PM (qZ770)
Posted by: Iblis at November 29, 2005 04:45 PM (PzxDB)
Posted by: Sortelli at November 29, 2005 04:49 PM (Bjdtq)
Curious, I checked some other lengthy, long dead threads, and you kept showing up as a commenter two or three days after the thread had expired.
What's up with that? Do you save your best stuff for when nobody is listening?
C'mon, Mom. Break out of your shell.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 05:00 PM (pRtzm)
But I'd like to think that some good could come from this, so . . . perhaps this thread could be turned into a flamethread?
Posted by: geoff at November 29, 2005 05:04 PM (f+QmI)
oh now it's "hurt me, hurt me" is it?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 05:08 PM (qZ770)
Doesn't have to be me in particular, of course. In fact I encourage you to explore the space. Guitar-humping Christmas fag.
Posted by: geoff at November 29, 2005 05:12 PM (f+QmI)
Did it ever occur to you that, instead of having your bizarre tacky tradition pooped upon, you may have been lucky enough to have married a classy dame?
Maybe this should have crossed your mind when she threw away all your waistbands-and-shreds you used to call 'underwear,' dressed you correctly, took down the Abba posters, put up curtains, tossed your parachute pants, and taught you how to clean the crust out of your eyes before you left the house.
I'm just posing an inquiry here. This is not a flame.
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 05:25 PM (6krEN)
You take that, snuggling, talking, and all the whining and bitching around your periods (what do they last now? Three weeks straight?), and it's no wonder we love you so.
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 05:28 PM (hBAty)
It sounds like cranberry juice night at the old folks home.
Nothing but pissin' and moanin'.
Way too serious.
Posted by: harrison at November 29, 2005 05:29 PM (ZBys+)
I thought about that for a few minutes. Then I dismissed it completely. She's just a snob.
Still, that's good for me.
that crap about cars and boys and college made you cry, didn't it?
It's ok toots. Our little secret.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 05:30 PM (qZ770)
Hey, AoSHQCQCD! Has anybody ever told you that you are not, in fact, particularly funny?
Yes, Weasel, I have been told that many times, but I don't care, because, frankly, I crack myself up all the time.
Has anyone told you that you are not, in fact, a particularly good cocksucker?
To quote Laura: I'm just posing an inquiry here. This is not a flame.
Posted by: AOSHQ Comment Quality Control Department at November 29, 2005 05:33 PM (pRtzm)
From the rumours I've heard about you, I wouldn't talk about "exploring" any type of "space", Semen-slurping ass-bandit.
With Love, hot kisses and copious back-scrubbing...
Posted by: cheshirecat at November 29, 2005 05:40 PM (l4nlN)
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 05:44 PM (6krEN)
Actually, that's what Mrs. Michael does. Except for the Batman suit (which she doesn't know about).
So, I can't go to work with crust in my eyes. Does that make me a faggot?
Living with a woman is really complicated.
Thank God the pool boy gives me some time to myself.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 05:44 PM (pRtzm)
Uh, what were we talking about?
Posted by: geoff at November 29, 2005 05:46 PM (f+QmI)
I realize that women aren't really people in the strictest sense of the word, but we sort of have to be nice to them or they won't put out. The key is to find a stupid chick who has lots of tattoos and low self-esteem. And big hooters.
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 05:48 PM (djE5R)
Yes, we call these men "Homosexuals."
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 05:48 PM (hBAty)
No, it's not that.
geoff, you have made an impression tonight!
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 05:50 PM (qZ770)
Posted by: cheshirecat at November 29, 2005 05:51 PM (l4nlN)
I miss the classic trolls.
Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at November 29, 2005 05:54 PM (ipjUv)
Yes, we have to "be nice to them" of course, and really listen, and by "listen," I mean ignore them, but simply wait for "response cues" (when their incessant high-pitched nonsensical babbling ends for three seconds) to offer an appropriate answer:
1. "Yes, everyone at your workplace sucks. You're much better than they are."
2. "You're right, she shouldn't have said that. She's a bitch. Actually, she should be slapped around like the dirty whore she is."
3. "Do those pants make your ass look fat? Hah-- fat like a fox!"
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 05:57 PM (hBAty)
I do this by using little terms of endearment like this: "Why, no, your astonishing weight gain does not make you less attractive to me! I like a woman with some meat on her bones! Now roll your ginormous keister into the kitchen and make me a sammy, Sasquatch."
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 06:05 PM (djE5R)
against counsel's advice, I'm sure.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 06:16 PM (qZ770)
I miss the classic trolls.
Hah! I was right!
BRING BACK CEDARFORD!
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 06:17 PM (pRtzm)
Posted by: Roy at November 29, 2005 06:21 PM (6krEN)
Apparently, there's some "mental anguish" clause in the divorce statutes which stipulates that calling one's spouse "Sasquatch" entitles that spouse to your entire DVD collection. It was an expensive lesson, but a good one to take into my next disaster...ah, relationship.
How hard can it be to find a gorgeous yet dumb woman with DD pontoons who is willing to subject herself to the filthiest acts imaginable in the privacy of the bedchamber and yet will retain a maidenly modesty while in public? Is that so much to ask? I mean, it's not like women are precisely people, but even so, you'd think there'd be one or two of these creatures roaming about!
Pfft. You see how sensitive I am! And my ex told me I lacked empathy and never paid enough attention to her. Or something like that; I wasn't really listening.
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 06:25 PM (djE5R)
oh preachin to the choir brother, preachin to the choir.
personally I think it takes a hell of a lot of money.
call it a working theory.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2005 06:29 PM (qZ770)
Uh, no. I hope they bury him with his face under Pat Buchanan's asscrack, as Seedy's last will and testament dictates.
Posted by: Sue Dohnim at November 29, 2005 06:30 PM (tnsUn)
When did he become profound?
Posted by: VRWC Agent at November 29, 2005 06:30 PM (Acw5e)
I'm putting you rat-bastards in the newsletter. You know we women have one, right?
All your gonads are gonna be in drydock for the next six months.
Buy stock in any company that sells lotion.
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 06:30 PM (6krEN)
All your gonads are gonna be in drydock for the next six months.
You think that's a threat to this crew?
Cheese it, copper. We can do six months standin' on our heads.
Posted by: ace at November 29, 2005 06:32 PM (hBAty)
No, no, no, Ace. There's more to it.
You have to make and hold eye contact, for long periods of time (up to 20 seconds) while you're pretending to be interested. And you have to control your blink rate. It takes practice.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 06:33 PM (pRtzm)
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at November 29, 2005 06:33 PM (kc9zT)
Wait...you're saying that women read? I thought you were a guy! Who taught you? Are you like some freak of nature, or can just any woman read? And does your little newsletter have actual "news", or does it just have stuff about celebrities and dieting and how to please a man (i.e., a real person) in the sack?
See, this is just strange to me. It's like finding out your dog can talk, or something. Say something else! This is kind of cool, in a freaky way!
Posted by: Monty at November 29, 2005 06:41 PM (djE5R)
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 06:45 PM (6krEN)
Stop! Please, Monty, stop! If I don't stop laughing uncontrollably, Mrs. Michael is going to come into the smoke-infested den and want to know what's so funny.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 06:58 PM (pRtzm)
Put out at least once a day and they are pliable, happy puppies who will do whatever you want.
That is your free peek into the newsletter.
Posted by: Lipstick at November 29, 2005 07:04 PM (uXjP7)
Um, I have repeatedly referred to Lipstick as a "Sasquatch".
I have an extensive DVD collection.
Lipstick, honey, I just don't think we are right for each other. I hereby withdraw my proposal.
Maybe I should have mentioned that I'm already married to Mrs. Michael. If I forgot this, I'm sorry.
We will always have the memory of those two nights in Reno!
Posted by: at November 29, 2005 07:23 PM (pRtzm)
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 07:24 PM (pRtzm)
Before that I was with my first love for nine years.
In between them was a year of searching (and some near-misses thank goodness).
But I digress.
What I meant to say was, SHUT YOUR FACE.
Posted by: lauraw at November 29, 2005 07:27 PM (M7kiy)
And Michael, was that you crying outside my hotel room in Reno? Sorry that security got a little nasty and called you a sissy and laughed at your batman suit.
Posted by: Lipstick at November 29, 2005 07:34 PM (uXjP7)
Posted by: Bart at November 29, 2005 07:37 PM (09lEt)
Posted by: Not A Vegas Whore at November 29, 2005 07:48 PM (a/IZU)
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 08:21 PM (pRtzm)
Posted by: sandy burger at November 29, 2005 08:29 PM (iGWFT)
Oh. Like we don't know the Feminine Control Techniques?
Like we men are just ignorant clueless schmucks who cannot figure out the immutable fact that if you women put out once a day, we will be "pliable happy puppies"?
Actually, we know. And we're OK with that. No kidding. We are actually the shallow pigs you think we are, and we're OK with that.
And we are constantly amused and entertained by the feminine delusion that you can change us.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 08:52 PM (pRtzm)
He talks pretty brave when Mrs. Michael is out of town, doesn't he?
Posted by: sandy burger at November 29, 2005 09:20 PM (iGWFT)
Posted by: Not A Vegas Whore at November 29, 2005 09:26 PM (a/IZU)
Posted by: zqqz at November 29, 2005 09:38 PM (OAmuf)
I am an Upper-Middle-Class-Businessman. As such, I can offer some advice.
At $2,500, Civetta (a/k/a Not A Vegas Whore) is severely overpriced. That's why she has so much time to cruise the internet.
On the basis of extensive market research, I'm confident that Civetta should be in the $140 - $160 price range, consistent with her aging competitors.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 10:07 PM (pRtzm)
Sandy, this whole conversartion started with the ethics of personal privacy on the internet, right?
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 10:16 PM (pRtzm)
(Oops, gotta run, here comes the missus. I'll make fun of you later, Michael.)
Posted by: sandy burger at November 29, 2005 10:29 PM (iGWFT)
I have run Vegas escorts in the past and what you want is referred to as "Earth, Wind and Lava". Perhaps you want more wind, but that depends on the escort's diet.
I'd say maybe you leave Civetta alone because you are a problem client.
Posted by: zqqz at November 29, 2005 10:39 PM (OAmuf)
Actually, I have not really succeeded at being a "client" yet. We're talking about the cost of airfare to Vegas, and so forth.
But your advice is well taken. Thanks.
Posted by: Michael at November 29, 2005 10:53 PM (pRtzm)
If I could think of something bad enough to shock you all, I would. But you all are light years ahead of me there.
On a serious note ( and I'm NOT kidding here) I think the problem with men and women is that in past generations we all looked pretty good young and by the time we were tired of our mate, we looked like hell anyway. So you made the best of it. But now, with modern whatever, we still look pretty good when we get tired of our mate, hence...fooling around. Which clearly ends up ticking EVERYONE off.
This is early morning rambling. Forgive me.
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at November 29, 2005 11:46 PM (OSolv)
Posted by: Cowtipper at November 30, 2005 03:12 AM (Twrzr)
And all you men who live with women and think you're independent macho he-men? We've tagged you like the animals on Wild Kingdom. And you actually believed those unmatched socks were due to laundry incompetence! HA!
Posted by: Sue Dohnim at November 30, 2005 04:33 AM (rE+jU)
damn. more true than we'd care to admit.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 30, 2005 04:43 AM (pzen5)
Sue, that sock reference is from Married With Children.
Posted by: lauraw at November 30, 2005 05:27 AM (CAzC7)
I thought that mole on my ass looked strange.
Posted by: Michael at November 30, 2005 06:26 AM (ycKg/)
So the tag sticking out of it doesn't bother you?
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at November 30, 2005 06:34 AM (OSolv)
Posted by: JFH at November 30, 2005 06:49 AM (ZTnC9)
Yes, it does. The bar code makes it unsightly.
Posted by: Michael at November 30, 2005 07:14 AM (ycKg/)
Oh, that's not your barcode. That's your sin-o-meter.
How do you think we women know a lil something about everything you do?
Surely you have noticed the numbers changing even as you type here?
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at November 30, 2005 07:24 AM (OSolv)
Let me guess, the buzzing noise awakens Mr. Sparkle until he's in REM sleep, right?
Posted by: spongeworthy at November 30, 2005 08:21 AM (uSomN)
Heh. What can I say? I couldn't sleep. And he may be a Mr. but he sure as hell doesn't sparkle.
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at November 30, 2005 10:14 AM (OSolv)
I'm lame, sue me. All of us aren't comedic geniuses who post pictures of Caucasian sumo wrestlers and big-boobed nerd women on popular blogs.
Posted by: Sue Dohnim at November 30, 2005 11:03 AM (rE+jU)
I just realized I remembered that, and it surprised me.
OK? So don't be that way.
I'm very sensitive.
Posted by: lauraw at November 30, 2005 12:53 PM (CAzC7)
Posted by: bbeck's boobs at November 30, 2005 12:59 PM (zg9BE)
Yup, that's right, his own cookbook. It's called "There's Only One Way to Wok".
Probably an Oriental kind of thing.
O - kaaaaay...
Posted by: Dogstar at November 30, 2005 07:19 PM (KgeNY)
I was talking about the gamer girl, not bbeck.
And I'm sorry Laura, I didn't mean to get catty. I guess l'm still on edge from the mother-in-law this past Turkey Day. Grrrrrrr.
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