September 30, 2011

Palin: No Decision Coming; Maybe By The End of October
— Ace

As her self-imposed September decision deadline fast approaches, Palin says she won't be deciding, at least not in the next 24 hours.

“This is a serious decision, and I’ve engaged in serious deliberations. So within the next 24 hours don’t look for me to make a decision,” she said, according to excerpts of an interview on Fox Business Network set to air tonight.

Last week her PAC sent out fundraising letters stating that she's on the "verge" of making a decision.

The letter was written on Sept. 20 by Tim Crawford, the Treasurer of Palin's political fundraising committee, SarahPAC.

"As you may know, Gov. Palin is on the verge of making her decision of whether or not to run for office," Crawford writes. "It's one of the most difficult and important decisions of her life."

But apparently she wasn't as close to a decision as that letter suggested.

She actually telegraphed this on Hannity's tv show last week, in which, to a question by Hannity, she indicated that November was the new October. Or possibly even later.

he former Alaska governor appeared on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show on Tuesday, where she hinted ever so slightly that the current "unconventional" political landscape may allow for a later entry. (At the least, she has already proved that the current landscape has allowed would-be candidates to drag out their decisions much longer than one would expect.)

Here was her response to Hannity’s first question about whether she was ready to jump in the race: "There is still time, Sean, and I think on both sides of the aisle you’re going to see people coming and going in this race. … And I’m still one of those still considering the time factor."

Hannity responded by saying that Palin would need to decide by November in order to make it onto state ballots across the country, to which the former Alaska governor agreed. Kind of.

"You do, I mean legally you do because you have to start getting your ducks lined up to have your name on these ballots," she said. "But I do think, Sean, this is going to be such an unconventional election cycle because this has been such an unconventional administration that we are fighting so hard."

Whether the election will be "unconventional" or not, state election officials will probably take a very conventional approach to the subject of filing deadlines.

I'm not sure Palin actually intended to suggest she might skip the Florida primary (October 31st filing deadline) or was just speaking broadly. If she is considering skipping a crucial primary, then that might suggest she's considering running third party (as some of her most recent soundbites also suggest).

If she does, I really, sincerely hope that almost none of her supporters continue following her into that Hell. That would be gift-wrapping the election for "Mr. Obama there," as he's sometimes called.

There are a couple of theories on the reason for the delay. The first is the one favored by a lot of the people who are no longer fond of her -- she's continuing the tease, without any real intent to jump into the race, in order to keep her "relevance" and brand power. The moment she says no, she's just a political commentator with a large-ish audience, but she loses that which makes her truly important, the notion that she might do more than comment on policy. This theory casts her as self-serving and attention-needing.

Another theory, which I prefer, is that she feels she owes her supporters (who have cash-money supported her for years) the candidacy they have their hopes staked on, but doubts that such a run would be successful. So she has a bad decision ahead of her -- announce a candidacy which she would probably lose, or disappoint he supporters, who she doesn't wish to support. Given a bad decision on the horizon, she does what most people do-- she delays it.

The other theory, which I include for completeness, is that she's playing a game of 4th dimensional chess and every decision she makes is supremely well-calculated to put her in the optimal position to win the nomination and the White House. I include this because it seems very popular among her supporters.

There is some truth in it -- by avoiding the debates, she's allowed a chief rival on the right of the party to lose a great deal of his momentum, thus possibly clearing her path by doing exactly nothing.

On the other hand, she doesn't seem to be using this time outside the race to do any of the preparations necessary (or at least extremely helpful) for joining it. She seems to be doing the same basic schtick she's been doing for three years.


Posted by: Ace at 05:14 AM | Comments (367)
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1 The former Alaska governor appeared on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show on Tuesday, where she hinted ever so slightly that the current "unconventional" political landscape may allow for a later entry.

They played that interview the other day. It was virtually incoherent. She needs to STFU and go home. She is doing nobody any favors now and harming her own reputation.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:06 AM (M9Ie6)

2 Please, no...

Posted by: Truman North at September 30, 2011 05:07 AM (G5JPI)

3 Some have christened her campaign approach the "blue balls strategy," while others have called it "going full Kate Gosselin." We report, you decide.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:10 AM (AZGON)

4 I have been a huge supporter of SP since she came on the scene, but if she goes 3d party, she is dead to me.

MORTE.

Posted by: real joe at September 30, 2011 05:16 AM (xovnt)

5

At this point, who cares what she does?

 

Posted by: anthony at September 30, 2011 05:16 AM (HZcBT)

6 I've lost all respect for her.  She won't win the primary and now her endorsement is basically toxic. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:16 AM (5H6zj)

7 If she wants to keep soliciting donations and basically be a high-profile bundler, ultimately endorsing a candidate, that's one thing. Also, if she can find a way to keep drawing fire, that's not a bad thing. The thing is, I think the left is beginning to ignore her now. That diminishes her usability for the movement.

Posted by: tmi3rd at September 30, 2011 05:17 AM (WRtsc)

8 Both her and Christi can GFThemselves.

This cutesie bullshit has got to go.

She won't go third party. She's not that much of a megalomaniac.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (pLTLS)

9

Oct 31 is the cutoff date for many primaries, and it looks like Florida will move it's prmary up which will then force other states to move their primaries up.

So we might have the primaries start in early january with the race being decided by the end of the month.

If she doesn't get in now, she'll never get it. I think it's too late already. You can't put together a full functioning campaign and win in 3 months.

It's okay though, she'll be fine as a commentator and book writer.

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (wuv1c)

10 Someone should clue her in to the fact that decisiveness is a prerequisite for the job.

Posted by: Andy at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (5Rurq)

11 The Greta interview Tuesday night was like a parody of a Palin interview.  She's toast.  I'm done with her.  I hope she's not as stupid as her supporters who want her to go third party, but after Tuesday night I'm not so sure anymore.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (4zKCA)

12 yada, yada, yada.

In other news:
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A state lawmaker and a group of Democratic political donors with ties to Gov. Beverly Perdue are poised to sell land at a handsome profit for a tire plant that's being lured with $100 million in state and local incentives, according to public records reviewed by the AP.

Bev Purdue, where have I heard that name before.  (from story with link at drudge)

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 05:18 AM (jiVmv)

13 Frankly, as much of a Sarah fan as I am, this is starting to P!ss me off!

There's a name for a female who says all the right things and makes all the come on comments and is all touchy feely (but only in public). Who always seems to be making promises and pledging undying whatever.

Guys know what type of female I'm talking about.

The initials are CT.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 05:19 AM (cA6/i)

14 Yawn. When the 3 AM phone call comes for President Palin, she'll answer it in a week, or a month...or whenever.

Posted by: Avogadra at September 30, 2011 05:20 AM (dtIOD)

15 6 I've lost all respect for her.  She won't win the primary and now her endorsement is basically toxic.

My sentiments exactly. I liked her quite a bit way back when she first became Governor, but pretty much everything she's done since has completely flummoxed me. I've gone from defending her to whatever to WTF?

Go away, then come back in a few years and do infomercials.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at September 30, 2011 05:20 AM (MKxSB)

16 Now comes the Deluge.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:21 AM (GTbGH)

17 >>>Bev Purdue, where have I heard that name before. (from story with link at drudge) Speaking of Drudge, does anyone else get a vibe that Matt's a little gay for Pooty-Poot? He's got that shirtless fishing pic of him up again.

Posted by: nightwitch at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (11j7G)

18 Hey..  she's our little conservative Princess!  We'll just keep the primaries open for her. so whenever she feels she's ready, she can just waltz right in and take over..  what a honey, huh?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (f9c2L)

19 then that might suggest she's considering running third party (as some of her most recent soundbites also suggest).

She will not run 3rd Party. In fact, I still do not think she is going to run at all.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (M9Ie6)

20

Palin - please no. You are wonderful but the GOP field is too crowded and the polls tell all of us that you cannot win.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (0fzsA)

21

Sheesh Ace your candidate Perry is self destructing and you thought it was time to unload on Palin? Palin has done more to fight Obama than all of the rest of the candidates together and yet you and others like Allah just cannot lay off. Amazing shit...

Oh and it is NOT too late for Cristi to jump in but it is too late for Palin to jump in...I get it.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 05:22 AM (52h7T)

22 "There is still time, Sean, and I think on both sides of the aisle you’re going to see people coming and going in this race." I'm waiting for your list of Democrat challengers chomping at the bit, lady.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:23 AM (AZGON)

23 Oh and it is NOT too late for Cristi to jump in but it is too late for Palin to jump in...I get it.

It's too late for both.  For good or ill, this is our field.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:23 AM (GTbGH)

24

Oh and the primary's are where we decide who will be nominated...NOT FUCKING POLLS. If she wins the primaries then she is the strongest candidate to run if she does not win then she is not...but the fucking polls are simply bullshit.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (52h7T)

25

Also, people don't seem to realize that while a 3 party canididate can be appealing, like Perot was, that they can't govern.

A third party president would have no representatives in congress or the Senate. Do you think Republicans or Democrats would bend to the will of a third party president?

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (wuv1c)

26

Last week her PAC sent out fundraising letters stating that she's on the "verge" of making a decision.

I would contribute but BOA will hit me with a $5 fee.

<snarc>

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (M9Ie6)

27 I used to champion this woman, now I just can't stand to watch her anymore. I feel she is waiting to see how the Romney/Perry match up is going and who will drop out in the next few weeks or so. If Perry fades because the establishment insists on Romney, Palin will get in. If the establishment still pushes out all of the conservatives and goes with Romney, she will run third party,splitting the vote with Romney and allowing Obama to breeze in. IMHO, all of that changes should Perry do better in the next debate -she can't beat him and running third party against him would be all for naught as they have the same base. A LOT of people(conservatives) will vote third party for her because they can't stand Mitt- there is only one real answer to this and it is to coalesce around Perry, Cain might be another but it is doubtful he could get the nomination, all recent,fickle polling aside.

Posted by: concealed carrie at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (gCEs/)

28 Sheesh Ace your candidate Perry is self destructing and you thought it was time to unload on Palin?

What, exactly, do you see as "unloading?"  Even the last paragraph can hardly be called unloading. 


Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (5H6zj)

29 who are these "coming and going" people she's even talking about?!?!? that makes no sense. the only person who MIGHT drop out is Huntsman if he sucks ass in NH. even with that he might stay in for vanity's sake. yeah, sorry, she's living her own Reality Show now.

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (SB0V2)

30

She won't go third party. She's not that much of a megalomaniac.

 

'Sarah Palin's Alaska'

'The Undefeated'

...care to rethink that assertion?

 

Posted by: Skylined Caribou at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (vUc7F)

31 If Sarah Palin runs as a third-party candidate she will have proven what her critics say about her, namely, that it is and always has been "all about her."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:24 AM (sbV1u)

32 Oh and it is NOT too late for Cristi to jump in but it is too late for Palin to jump in...I get it.

Apparently you don't read this blog.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:25 AM (pLTLS)

33 PierreLegrand- geez.. talk about delusional...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:25 AM (f9c2L)

34

Why yes, being coy, is exactly what this country needs as it's being driven to it's knees. Hey, Lady Liberty, I know you're all f#cked up and shit, and the current administration is raping you daily BUT, hey I'm deciding to decide ok?

I am thinkin and thinkin and while I am not doing that, I'm takin shots at the R candidates and well, I'm busy. You know? Coy means I care, or it's a joke, or whatev.

Love ya,

SP

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at September 30, 2011 05:25 AM (ONGHB)

35 Gawd, I'm tired of her.

And her daughter getting into bar brawls doesn't help, no matter how offensive the jackass Bristol confronted was.

Just no.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:26 AM (UOM48)

36 Who the heck is Palin?  I haven't seen him at any of the debates.

Posted by: dogfish at September 30, 2011 05:26 AM (NuPNl)

37 Speaking of Drudge, does anyone else get a vibe that Matt's a little gay for Pooty-Poot?

I always assumed he did that to remind people what a wimp obama is.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 05:26 AM (jiVmv)

38 No third party. She would become toxic. And she should have jumped by now. Either somebody is telling her to get the donations while the getting is good or else she really doesn't understand how the Blue Balls Campaign is affecting people's opinion of her. Either way it doesn't look good.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (RD7QR)

39 27. I think "concealed carrie" is right on the money with that analysis. So she's just waiting to see if Perry craps out? Fabulous.

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (SB0V2)

40 As one of the resident Palinistas, I can say that I too am growing weary. Unless she has some super duper boffo plan that will change the entire narrative of Politics, The "choose the next progressive provided for you by your betters, R or D, narrative. I am afraid she is becoming irrelevant.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (ZDUD4)

41

So if this is our field that means we are going to nominate the same old same old...we will continue to do the same thing over and fucking over again always, like a bunch of fucking children, expecting a different result.

Romney is a ball-less pussy who says whatever he needs to say to get elected. The motherfucker did a mini fucking ObamaCare and we are REALLY going to nominate him?

Perry can't wait to amnesty 12 million illegals and add more crap onto the backs of all of us who pay the fucking bills.

Tar and motherfucking feathers onto the whole fucking lot.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (52h7T)

42 "You do, I mean legally you do because you have to start getting your ducks lined up to have your name on these ballots," she said. "But I do think, Sean, this is going to be such an unconventional election cycle because this has been such an unconventional administration that we are fighting so hard."

IOW, deadlines have no meaning when you're a mavericky outside-the-box rogueish maverick.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (16lYZ)

43 I seriously think that if she IS getting in, she's teased it too long.

She only looks ok now if she DOESN'T RUN. IMHO

Definitely past her sell by date.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 05:27 AM (cA6/i)

44 Palin has many of the conservative female bloggers in her court. They are blindly following another hope & changer like so many of the idiots that followed Obama. Many of these bloggers are damaging the conservative cause.

Posted by: izoneguy at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (i6Neb)

45 This is a loooong time to be on hold.

Posted by: That 3am Phone Call at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (TXKVh)

46

I see Palin still has no donor for her desperately needed spine transplant.

Her book, "How I Almost Ran for President" will be out by Christmas. Autographed copies for $100 will be available for gifts at C4P by then.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (kaOJx)

47

I've lost all respect for her. She won't win the primary and now her endorsement is basically toxic.

I think this is being overlooked. Her endorsement was highly sought after in 2010 and it still might be in conservative congressional districts in 2012, however I don't think any of the Republican candidates for President will want anything to do with her.

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (wuv1c)

48 Who the heck is Palin?  I haven't seen him at any of the debates.
Posted by: dogfish
..........
One of the guys in Monty Python

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (f9c2L)

49 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

At what point do we just label Mrs. Palin a "tease" and begin ignoring her flirtations?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (8y9MW)

50 OK, I will permit myself one friggin' bit of bitchy girliness and ask aloud, "Who the hell is taking care of Bristol's little boy?" Isn't she living with two guys (minor celebrities, iirc) now, far away from family?  She's starting to act like Casey Anthony.  If I were in her shoes I'd take the financial resources that dropped in my lap and use them to make a stable life for my kid. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (5H6zj)

51 Does McCain know how to pick 'em? You betcha.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:28 AM (AZGON)

52 >>>Sheesh Ace your candidate Perry is self destructing and you thought it was time to unload on Palin? Palin has done more to fight Obama than all of the rest of the candidates together and yet you and others like Allah just cannot lay off. Amazing shit... I unloaded? I thought I just fucking recapped the actual news. But of course in Palin-Land any statement which isn't reverential of our Governor and Savior is "unloading" on her. By the way, I have been sharply, sharply critical of Perry. Did you not notice that? I guess you didn't. You only care if your Fantasy Princess is discussed. Nothing Else Matters Except Sarah Palin (TM). >>>Oh and it is NOT too late for Cristi to jump in but it is too late for Palin to jump in...I get it. No, dude, the filing date of October 31st applies to everyone. But Christie does have an advantage Palin doesn't-- he wins in a two-man race against Obama, and he is actually also competitive in polls for the nomination, which Palin really isn't. Further, he hasn't been playing this game for three years, like Palin has. Since Palin, supposedly, quit her governorship *in order to pursue the presidency*, that's a long, long time for the thinkin' and the decidin'.

Posted by: ace at September 30, 2011 05:29 AM (nj1bB)

53 AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 30, 2011 05:29 AM (vUc7F)

54

They are blindly following another hope & changer like so many of the idiots that followed Obama. Many of these bloggers are damaging the conservative cause.

^^ THIS.  Bingo.

Do we need a repeat of that scenario to see how it plays out?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:30 AM (sbV1u)

55 however I don't think any of the Republican candidates for President will want anything to do with her

I *think* Michele Bachmann and perhaps Rick Santorum might still welcome it, but - yeah - none of the others strike me as that desperate. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:30 AM (5H6zj)

56 Ace,

Here's another way to think about this.  Let's suppose that Palin comes to the conclusion that the GOP candidate won't win in the general.  And let's further suppose that she finds the polls compelling enough to understand she can't win.

If, just for discussion, she has those conclusions as a basis, how does that change the dynamic of her running as a 3rd party?  Does such a run allow her the most opportunity to shape the discussion moving forward and show the R party they have drifted too far left. 

IOW, if she thinks Obama wins anyway, does the 3rd party run give her the best chance/platform to drag the R party to the right by demonstrating how many conservative voters feel the party is too squishy? 

Posted by: The Hammer at September 30, 2011 05:30 AM (dja/g)

57 My sentiments exactly. I liked her quite a bit way back when she first became Governor, but pretty much everything she's done since has completely flummoxed me. I've gone from defending her to whatever to WTF?

Fame and power are major aphrodisiacs.  I hate to say this about Palin, as I used to have a great deal of respect for her as well, but she's changed and not in a good way.  Success can cripple a person and change their personality in ways previously thought unimaginable. 

Perhaps I'm wrong...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2011 05:30 AM (9hSKh)

58 I'm so tired....

Posted by: Sarah "Lili Von Shtupp" Palin at September 30, 2011 05:30 AM (136wp)

59 She's starting to act like Casey Anthony

Woah....No one is like that vile creature.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (pLTLS)

60 My biggest concern for a 3rd party is NOT SP. It is the regional Tea Parties getting together if Romney gets the nod.

In fact, the way things are looking it would be more likely for Bachmann to run 3rd party with a nomination from a "Tea Party Convention" than Sarah Palin.

It appears that Bachmann really does only care for Bachmann.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (M9Ie6)

61 13

Guys know what type of female I'm talking about.

The initials are CT.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 10:19 AM (cA6/i)

...

"Ciphertext"? Sorry, I really don't see how cryptography relates to Palin.

Posted by: Big McLargeHuge (F/K/A Large McBigHuge) at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (tDuwb)

62 Cue the clowns.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (cA6/i)

63 I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but I'd unload on her.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (vUc7F)

64 Sarah is going full Bachmann overdrive.  Both are turning out nuts and their voices and kookiness are driving folks crazy.

Stick to reality TV Sarah and make your millions why you can. 

Leave the presidency to a conservative man who won't compromise with loser Dimocrats.

Thanks.

Posted by: TexBob at September 30, 2011 05:31 AM (7cXE7)

65

Perhaps I'm wrong...
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2011 10:30 AM (9hSKh)

Sometimes, yes.

But not in this case.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:32 AM (sbV1u)

66 56. How would that POSSIBLY work?!?! Are you high? If she capsizes our country with the third party run that gives Barry a re-elect, we are all fooked number one, and number two PLENTY of people are going to think "well if it weren't for those kookoo conservatives with boners for Palin we wouldn't be fooked." Jeebus Christmas! People! She is a reality star! We do not need another celeb-lite in politics!

Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at September 30, 2011 05:32 AM (SB0V2)

67 Sarah Palin run as a thrid party candidate??? Hahahahahahahahaha..

She can't even make up her mind to run as a Republican.. a party that does all the organizing and setting up primaries for you!

Who really thinks Palin has the follow-through to set up an organization big enough in 50 states to even get on the ballot?  Much less get enough backers and enough voters behind her to get into the debates, etc.?  ("Todd - could you set all that up for me please?  I have a pedicure appointment.")

The notion is laughable.. she's a flibbertigibbet..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:32 AM (f9c2L)

68  . . . running third party (as some of her most recent soundbites also suggest) . . .would be gift-wrapping the election for "Mr. Obama there," as he's sometimes called.

Unless, of course, she announces the run after Hillary (or someone else on the left) announces a third-party run on the left side.

Posted by: Roger at September 30, 2011 05:33 AM (tAwhy)

69 50 OK, I will permit myself one friggin' bit of bitchy girliness and ask aloud, "Who the hell is taking care of Bristol's little boy?" Isn't she living with two guys (minor celebrities, iirc) now, far away from family?  She's starting to act like Casey Anthony.  If I were in her shoes I'd take the financial resources that dropped in my lap and use them to make a stable life for my kid. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 10:28 AM (5H6zj)

Agreed.  Doing a reality show, while your child needs a full-time mother (because the baby-daddy is a piece of crap).  Get a job and raise your child. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:33 AM (UOM48)

70

>>Do we need a repeat of that scenario to see how it plays out

 

Don't worry, I'm sure they will be as effective as the PUMA's were in 2008

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:33 AM (wuv1c)

71 Here is a 5th theory: by not deciding she can continue to raise cash.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 05:33 AM (OWjjx)

72 >>>If, just for discussion, she has those conclusions as a basis, how does that change the dynamic of her running as a 3rd party? It would change the dynamic in the sense that it would out her as a megalomaniac. I don't imagine she'll do that, but this talk of an "unconventional" candidacy in which primary filing deadlines for critical states don't matter has me a little worried. Combine that with her new rap about the Republicans and Democrats essentially being indistinguishable, just the "political class" in two camps, and there is at least something to worry about here. I don't think that worry will amount to an actual threat. Still, it's kind of on the table.

Posted by: ace at September 30, 2011 05:33 AM (nj1bB)

73 hey for Romney gets the nomination i'm all for a Palin 3rd Party suicide run. Sure Obama wins then but in reality we've already lost the moment Mittens locks the nod up.

Posted by: bannor at September 30, 2011 05:34 AM (6AXh/)

74 She WILL run third party because she has said in the past that when there is little difference between the republican candidate and the democrat you have to have a hill to die on. Remember NY29- she endorsed the 3rd party candidate against the RINO establishment Scozzafava. Palin will run on a conservative party platform against a Romney and gamble that she can win with 34 percent of the vote. Whether or not that idea is based in reality or delusion remains to be seen, but some people are of the idea that if this country is going to go down anyway, it might as well be with a democrat at the helm to take the blame, rather than a democrat in fake conservative clothing that the media can point to and scream-"SEE, we tried it the conservative way- and look at what he's done!" This is not my frame of mind, but I am rapidly becoming alarmed at the number of older folks I talk to, who say they will not vote for Romney,just leave it blank or write in a name. The establishment had better face facts soon that Americans are tired of being told who they are approved to vote for, if they didn't get that impression in 2010 with some of their candidates, I don't know when they will.

Posted by: concealed carrie at September 30, 2011 05:34 AM (gCEs/)

75 "does the 3rd party run give her the best chance/platform to drag the R party to the right" Well, it would guarantee Obama wins. So she would have that going for her.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:34 AM (AZGON)

76

"She can't even make up her mind to run as a Republican"

Threadwinner

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 05:34 AM (kaOJx)

77 '
57
The Rock Star Syndrome.

In her case she has yet to release an album but keeps telling us it's COMING SOON.

MEH

and that hurts because of all the sneers and snarks I've thrown at those who sneered and snarked at her. now it seems they were mostly correct.

Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (cA6/i)

78

Stick to reality TV Sarah and make your millions why you can. 

Why do I see her ending up in two years looking a lot like a conservative Jimmy Swaggart doing 3 am TV shows from her home studio?

Or maybe she'll go full-on Alex Jones with that TV show.

 

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (sbV1u)

79 60 -- great, Vic, now you've given me a whole new thing to worry about.

Posted by: ace at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (nj1bB)

80 Tar and motherfucking feathers onto the whole fucking lot.

Enjoy your irrelevancy.  I prefer anyone on our bench to the SCoaMF.

Fuckin primaries!  How do they work?!

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (GTbGH)

81 73 hey for Romney gets the nomination i'm all for a Palin 3rd Party suicide run. Sure Obama wins then but in reality we've already lost the moment Mittens locks the nod up.

Posted by: bannor at September 30, 2011 10:34 AM (6AXh/)

Good gawd no!  Four more years of SCOAMF and what's left of this country will look like Greece.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (UOM48)

82 71 Here is a 5th theory: by not deciding she can continue to raise cash.

Same for Christie, it's a tease.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (136wp)

83 60 My biggest concern for a 3rd party is NOT SP. It is the regional Tea Parties getting together if Romney gets the nod
---

So I don't generally put a lot of weight on endorsements, but it will be interesting to see if Romney pulls any more of the TP types aside from Jason Chaffetz and... I would assume eventually because of the Utah angle... Mike Lee.  If Romney got Allen West and Marco Rubio to endorse him and picked up any of the really good governors, he might insulate himself a bit.  The TP activist types might still try to run someone against him, but I doubt they'd gain much traction from the less engaged TP crowd (ie: the vast majority). 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (5H6zj)

84

If, just for discussion, she has those conclusions as a basis, how does that change the dynamic of her running as a 3rd party?  Does such a run allow her the most opportunity to shape the discussion moving forward and show the R party they have drifted too far left. 

Oh....a third party run would allow her to shape the conversation going forward.

It would be shaped mostly in the forms of insults hurled at her....but yea, she would shape the conversation.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 05:35 AM (OWjjx)

85

I think it needs to be said that when McCain picked her in 2008, she was a good candidate. She was accomplished, self made, took on the Republican machine in Alaska and won. She gave a good speech at the Convention, did fairly well in the debates and was a good campaigner.

However, it's what she's done sine Nov 3 2008 that has made me like her considerably less.

 

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:36 AM (wuv1c)

86 66...there is no guarantee Obama doesn't win in 2012.  At this point there is plenty of reason to think he hangs on.  You honestly think he's scared of any of the current candidates?

My point was, if Palin believes Obama wins anyway, then there is no downside to a 3rd party run, because she's not giving him the election. 

Not saying I agree with it...just saying it's a way to rationalize a 3rd party run.

Posted by: The Hammer at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (dja/g)

87 Good gawd no!  Four more years of SCOAMF and what's left of this country will look like Greece.

Yeah, but I'm not convinced that after 4 years of SCOAMF followed by four years of Mittens that we don't look like Spain.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (8y9MW)

88 Hey now....this is just the kind of split-second decision making that we need in the Oval Office. ....You betcha!

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (7D6kL)

89 I think she is done with politics and is just squeezing those last few delicious dollars out of what political fame she has left.

Posted by: Dang at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (TXKVh)

90 she really needs to stop .

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (h+qn8)

91

<i>But Christie does have an advantage Palin doesn't-- he wins in a two-man race against Obama, and he is actually also competitive in polls for the nomination, which Palin really isn't.</i>

Well then why the fuck does anyone give a fuck about whether or not she runs if she is going to lose the nomination?

<i>Further, he hasn't been playing this game for three years, like Palin has. Since Palin, supposedly, quit her governorship *in order to pursue the presidency*, that's a long, long time for the thinkin' and the decidin'.</i>

Give me a fucking break...Palin has steadfastly been the most effective at attacking Obama. NO ONE else has been that effective...from her facebook page. ObamaCare is RADIOFUCKING ACTIVE largely because of her. All the other candidates had their fucking fingers in the air trying to gauge the political winds and she was calling it like it was..DEATH PANELS.

Having said all that I too wish she would say one way or the other...

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (52h7T)

92 Bright side of all this Palin-palooza of the past few years? By 2016 she'll be a non-factor and a political footnote. We'll be having internecine tussles over a whole new crop of politicos! And I say that as someone who really like her and was happy J-Mac picked her.

Posted by: nightwitch at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (11j7G)

93 Palin: No Decision Coming; Maybe By The End of October October 2012, she means??

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (niZvt)

94

56  There is no reason for Sarah Palin to consider a third party run except for her own ego.  The first and most important goal is to get Obama out of the White House.  Period.  There is no hope for this country if that doesn't happen.  Any 3rd party run by any quasi-Republican candidate will split the vote and is the only hope Obama has of getting re-elected.

Sarah Palin knew that a year ago.  The Tea Party knows it now.  Anyone with two brain cells knows it.  If she makes a third party run she will be personally responsible for destroying this country.  Let's hope her love of country, which is one of the big reasons I supported her, is stronger than whatever is making her play this game.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (4zKCA)

95

What bullshit this is.  The lamest strip tease I've ever seen.  I have no idea why she is taken seriously anymore.

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 05:37 AM (b68Df)

96 Guys know what type of female I'm talking about.

The initials are CT.
Posted by: New Sock same as the Old Sock at September 30, 2011 10:19 AM (cA6/i)


First name Molotov?

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 30, 2011 05:38 AM (pY3GI)

97 Vic @60

No one in our tea party cares for Bachmann at all.  

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 05:38 AM (UOM48)

98 Remember NY29- she endorsed the 3rd party candidate against the RINO establishment Scozzafava.

Not the same thing. A LOT of national Republican pols endorsed the "3rd party" candidate who was actually a Republican.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:38 AM (M9Ie6)

99

I am a former Palinista who has staunchly defended her on other forums and personally to friends and family.

My infatuation with her started to fade after she started this "gaming" of the primary process.

When she threw in with Bachman on the Guardasil thing it was the nail in the coffin.

Start a talk show or take Glenn's place on Fox, Sarah. Stay out of office. You've had your run there.

Posted by: Scott J at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (/bVuS)

100 I too have grown weary of this woman who I once supported strongly. She's over now as a serious candidate. But let us never forget what she did to dispirited conservative souls in August and September of 2008. She gave us a jolt of hope and I believe was a catalyst for the tea party to come. Like the character was is killed at the end of Act I thus driving the protagonist into action, Sarah Palin deserves our eulogies (good speaking), not our hate. But she does need to quit sticking her head out from behind the curtains and winking at the audience.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (deaac)

101

If Romney got Allen West and Marco Rubio to endorse him and picked up any of the really good governors, he might insulate himself a bit. 

I can see a Romney/McDonnell ticket.  In fact, I'd bet on that would be the way he goes.

But if Mitt is at the top, I'd MUCH rather see a Romney/Rubio ticket.

Of course, then Ace would be living in a cardboard box outside the Naval Observatory on Massachusetts Ave NW.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (sbV1u)

102

I think it needs to be said that when McCain picked her in 2008, she was a good candidate. She was accomplished, self made, took on the Republican machine in Alaska and won. She gave a good speech at the Convention, did fairly well in the debates and was a good campaigner.

However, it's what she's done sine Nov 3 2008 that has made me like her considerably less.

^This.

I thought she was an exciting Vice Presidential candidate.  She blew her opportunity when she resigned and didn't follow that resignation with a serious resume-building position.

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (5H6zj)

103 I wonder if she is 'thinking about' how much money she could make now....from the Candidates paying her to not endorse them.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (7D6kL)

104 Good gawd no! Four more years of SCOAMF and what's left of this country will look like Greece. Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 10:35 AM (UOM4 yeah and do you think Mittens corrects our problems or simply fights a delaying action? we won't be greece in 4 years under him we'll just end up being the 2nd wave of euro collapse. like Ireland or Italy

Posted by: bannor at September 30, 2011 05:39 AM (6AXh/)

105 If she capsizes our country with the third party run that gives Barry a re-elect, we are all fooked number one, and number two PLENTY of people are going to think "well if it weren't for those kookoo conservatives with boners for Palin we wouldn't be fooked."

In 1992, Ross Perot receive 18.9% of the vote, and gave Clinton the Presidency.  In 1996, he received 8%.

People aren't very forgiving.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (GTbGH)

106

. It is the regional Tea Parties getting together if Romney gets the nod.

While highly effective at a micro-level, the Tea Party doesn't seem to have it together at a marco level.

Running for President is a little more difficult than,...say.....running for Congress. At a congressional level, a few hundered pissed off and motivated people can have a very positive effect. At the national level, eh.

And there doesn't appear to be one national Tea Party organization. So, as far as Vic's concern goes, its a 2 on a scale of 10. Could some disgruntled Tea Party regional outfit muster up enough signatures to get a candidate on the ballot in a few states....sure. But in the end, most voters would understand that its a wasted vote. If you really dislike the SCOAMF, you are not likely to throw your vote away on Alan Keyes, Ron Paul or Bob Barr because you aren't a fan of Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (OWjjx)

107 First name Molotov?

Ah, yes, a "Venture Bros" fan...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (136wp)

108 "it's what she's done sine Nov 3 2008" I was told there would be no trigonometry.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (AZGON)

109 87 Good gawd no! Four more years of SCOAMF and what's left of this country will look like Greece. Yeah, but I'm not convinced that after 4 years of SCOAMF followed by four years of Mittens that we don't look like Spain. Exactly, I don't see A Romney Administration pulling us out of the shit. He is a two faced n/e RINO fuck, just like his fat brother Chris.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (ZDUD4)

110 I think she should covene a Death Panel to decide whether to run or not.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (Cs6bg)

111 58 I'm so tired.... Posted by: Sarah "Lili Von Shtupp" Palin at September 30, 2011 10:30 AM (136wp) Well, at least we got the obligitory Blazing Saddles reference in.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at September 30, 2011 05:40 AM (vc6c9)

112 we will continue to do the same thing over and fucking over again always, like a bunch of fucking children, expecting a different result.

Romney is a ball-less pussy who says whatever he needs to say to get elected. The motherfucker did a mini fucking ObamaCare and we are REALLY going to nominate him?

Perry can't wait to amnesty 12 million illegals and add more crap onto the backs of all of us who pay the fucking bills.

I love the attitude here: "how dare you mildly criticize Palin!  Now, pardon me whilst I shit upon the rest of the field (i.e. the real candidates)."

Posted by: Slublog at September 30, 2011 05:41 AM (0nqdj)

113 No one in our tea party cares for Bachmann at all. 

But what would happen if a lot of the regional groups got together and held a national convention to nominate a candidate?

They would want someone with name recognition and with "conservative chops". The question would be how "tainted" they though Bachmann was.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:41 AM (M9Ie6)

114 I'm getting pretty tired of Sarah Palin's antics.

She should either campaign for the candidate of her choice, or STFU and sit quiet until the general election.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2011 05:41 AM (czcue)

115 Ah, yes, a "Venture Bros" fan...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 10:40 AM (136wp)



Yep.

And my new love, Archer.

Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 30, 2011 05:41 AM (pY3GI)

116

"it's what she's done sine Nov 3 2008"

>>I was told there would be no trigonometry.

 

heh

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:42 AM (wuv1c)

117 So, how long before the Palinistas go full Paulian?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:42 AM (136wp)

118 Isn't Ace up and about at an unusual hour?

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:42 AM (GTbGH)

119

Her shot at the Presidency ended the moment she resigned as governor to make serious cash.

 

I feel bad for a lot of the Palinistas.  They worshipped her like a god.  Me and my friends refer to her as "Sancte Sarah of Wasilla"

Only problem was eventually she would be exposed.  And now her former worshippers aren't just disappointed, they feel outright betrayed.

So maybe we should go easy on the Palinistas, as some of them are going to need serious therapy.  (Absurd as it sounds, I'm really not joking.)

Posted by: ktierney at September 30, 2011 05:42 AM (xhZSJ)

120 Can we go ahead and say it now...?

The high profile women of the GOP have turned out to be a colossal disappointment.

At this point I only seem to think Nikki Haley is worth her salt. All the rest can just go ahead and get bent. Dare I call them...selfish bitches.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:42 AM (pLTLS)

121 Give me a fucking break...Palin has steadfastly been the most effective at attacking Obama. NO ONE else has been that effective...from her facebook page.

And yet it still became the law of the land, didn't it?  Funny, how those sold to us as Fighty McFightersons always seem to lead the losing battles.

Posted by: Slublog at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (0nqdj)

122

So, how long before the Palinistas go full Paulian?

You mean they're not already there?

God help us, then.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (sbV1u)

123 89 I think she is done with politics and is just squeezing those last few delicious dollars out of what political fame she has left. Posted by: Dang at September 30, 2011 10:37 AM (TXKVh) This. I think this is the best-case scenario: She's getting some startup cash for her next career move and the best way to do this is to tease a run. When she hits her goal, she'll regretfully bow out of a run as a favor to the party.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (RD7QR)

124 Hurry, hurry and send in money before ummm this ummm new deadline. It's for "teh crony capitalism!"

Posted by: sarahspurse at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (MOHSR)

125 @110 - LOL

I love the attitude here: "how dare you mildly criticize Palin!  Now, pardon me whilst I shit upon the rest of the field (i.e. the real candidates)."

More accurately: "how dare you mildly criticize Palin!  Now, pardon me whilst I grossly distort the positions of the the rest of the field."

But what would happen if a lot of the regional groups got together and held a national convention to nominate a candidate?

Nothing in time to do anything.  The Tea Parties (when they try to act collectively) are about as organized as a Jackson Pollock painting.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:43 AM (8y9MW)

126 I agree with concealed carrie @27 above. She's not gonna jump in unless and until she sees the field collapsing. She wants to be the Conservative Savior. If Cain really takes off, or Perry gets his front runner mojo back, she's not in.

Basically she wants to run against Mitt. There's no point running against Perry (who has virtually the same platform as Palin) or Cain (who is much more conservative and much more charismatic). Against either one of them she's far from a lock, and would at this point probably lose. Against Romney she's golden and probably 60% of the morons here would wind up voting for her.

And the only people talking about a 3rd party run are GOP moderates like Ace and Allah. I haven't seen any instance where Palin herself has so much as hinted at such a thing.

Oh, and Reagan held off until October too, so it's really not too late yet

Posted by: Pistol Packin Papa at September 30, 2011 05:44 AM (W1YUK)

127 Palin haters hate Palin. Shocker.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 30, 2011 05:44 AM (bAL0J)

128 Teh Sarah is now Teh Fail. Piss or get off the bidet Gov Palin.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 30, 2011 05:44 AM (m2IXm)

129 I still fear she's going Bull Moose.  But yeah, I'm starting to suspect the second option here.

Of course, we could all be wrong, and two years from now we'll be seeing how it all played out and going, "Didn't see that coming."

But not likely.

Posted by: DarkLord sez Always Look On the Bright Side of Life! at September 30, 2011 05:44 AM (GBXon)

130

>>>And yet it still became the law of the land, didn't it? Funny, how those sold to us as Fighty McFightersons always seem to lead the losing battles.

So Palin is essentially George McClellen?

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:44 AM (wuv1c)

131 She's become a buffoon- this little fan dance reinforces every negative about her- shallow, vain and a diva. Go Away!

Posted by: jjshaka at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (l53fx)

132 At this point I only seem to think Nikki Haley is worth her salt.

Nikki Haley and, for other purposes, Condeleeza Rice seem like our two best women.  And, isn't there a Lt. Gov. in New Mexico or someplace? 

I can't recall if Jan Brewer had some major missteps...

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (5H6zj)

133 So, how long before the Palinistas go full Paulian?

You mean they haven't already?  It'll get worse?

Oh, Lord.  I need to build a bomb shelter, it seems.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (8y9MW)

134 118 Isn't Ace up and about at an unusual hour?

You are assuming he went to bed last night.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (136wp)

135

Do the right thing Sarah.

Retreat from the public eye for a while and go take care of your man.

Posted by: Spiker at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (gh6F5)

136 Palin haters hate Palin. Shocker.

Palin supporters, like me, aren't too happy either. 

Do, or do not.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:45 AM (GTbGH)

137 Palin's entry into the fray comes with a huge advantage--the lack of necessity to be vetted. There is no facet of her personal and political life that hasn't been examined in excruciating detail. No surprises can be forthcoming.

  This allows all you detractors free to rebut any principle or position that she holds. I'd be very interested to see just where y'all disagree  with her stance.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (SAMxH)

138 At this point, If it's not Cain I'm denouncing my citizenship and moving to Costa Rica. If Perry gets in, I'll come back as an illegal and be treated like a king.

Posted by: Barbarian at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (EL+OC)

139 Nope, too late, way too late for Palin to get in. Christie, however...









Fucking horseshit.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (STdkO)

140 Yes, Ed Morrissey called that one right. He thought she sunk a knife in her career when she quit office.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (AZGON)

141

"and Reagan "

Sarah Palin is not Ronald Reagan. Neither is Mitt Romney. Or Rick Perry.

Let the man rest in peace.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 05:46 AM (kaOJx)

142 She's done a lot of good for the Conservative message.  Unfortunately now she is doing more harm than good.I agree the field is pretty much set.We are going to have to accept that.

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 30, 2011 05:47 AM (5Wl/f)

143

But what would happen if a lot of the regional groups got together and held a national convention to nominate a candidate?

First, you would have to get all of the regional Tea Parties to get together and actually agree to that. Again, it just hasn't shown that type of macro level organization yet. How many "national" Tea Parties are there? How often do these "national" Tea Parties taking contrary positions with other so called "national" Tea Parties.

Second, you would have to find a legitimate candidate willing to basically role the dice that somehow, someway, they can either A) win or B) have the ability to grow this coalition of regional groups into one viable party, all the while willing to be the John C. Freemont of their time. You can't run a viable third party without a real candidate. So far, there are only 2 names that I truly believe would 1) jump from the GOP to do this and 2) would be viable enough to do it: Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin. I don't see DeMint doing it.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 05:47 AM (OWjjx)

144 So Palin is essentially George McClellen?

In defense of McClellen, he won most of his battles.  He just wouldn't follow up to win the campaigns.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:47 AM (GTbGH)

145 I can't recall if Jan Brewer had some major missteps...

I'm trying to remember. She had one big faux pas. I don't think it was Obamacare as AZ joined suit. Can't be *that bad* if I can't even remember it now.

Okay, so yes, I'll add her in I suppose.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:47 AM (pLTLS)

146 One more theory occurs to me: write-in but still Republican. If she wants to pursue some other timetable, she might think that she can be competitive as a write-in with the primaries that have a too-early filing deadline.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (SSR0O)

147 By the way Look at the Drudge headline... Obama 44 Christie 43....

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (5Wl/f)

148   This allows all you detractors free to rebut any principle or position that she holds. I'd be very interested to see just where y'all disagree  with her stance.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 30, 2011 10:46 AM (SAMxH)

You're missing the point.  I don't disagree with her policies or positions it's the constant drama of "will she or won't she" that _she_ encourages that wears me out.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (m2IXm)

149 OT, but is anyone else watching this PETA c**t on FNC?

Posted by: As If! at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (piMMO)

150 Doubt she's running.  If she is it certainly won't be third party.  Despite the perception of her, she's not stupid.

Posted by: Tyler at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (zJDIJ)

151 I don't see DeMint doing it either. Although he has said he will not seek another term as Senator.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (M9Ie6)

152

# 126

Reagan declared in November but that doesn't apply to today because it's a different calendar and campaign law has changed since then.  I read the other day that Reagan's "kitchen cabinet" would be illegal today.

If you want to read how adamant the Palinista's are about a 3rd party run go read C4P.  They're delusional. 

Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (4zKCA)

153

Palin entering would take a shitload of pressure off of Perry and Romney. Heck, the debates would be nothing but questions about Palin's record

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 05:48 AM (wuv1c)

154 147 By the way Look at the Drudge headline... Obama 44 Christie 43....

I think that poll was weighted.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (136wp)

155

Run Sarah, run

Run Chris, Run

Run Jeb, run.

Run Marco, run

step up and do what needs to be done to defeat the SCoaMF

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (08Pe8)

156 Book sales must be lagging a bit...time to string the rubes along a little longer.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (ED4oz)

157 I tuned Palin out and wrote her off long ago.  She has been marginalized by the media and has done nothing of substance to regain her credibility with the voting public.  If not for her looks and her somewhat charismatic nature, nobody would have every given a shit about her in the first place.

In terms of her knowledge on the issues and her ability to convey conservative principles, there are 100's of people on the right that do that better than her, although admittedly they are not running for office.  She should just admit she is not in this race and do what she does best which is speak at rallies and raise funds for legitimate candidates.

If she wants to continue in elected office, perhaps a senate bid would be more appropriate. 

Posted by: Ken Royall at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (9zzk+)

158 " Isn't Ace up and about at an unusual hour? -- You are assuming he went to bed last night." Ace doesn't sleep, he merely rests in a coffin on a bed of earth. Partly explains his eternal youth and ability to cloud the minds of hapless hoboes.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (AZGON)

159

I don't see DeMint doing it either. Although he has said he will not seek another term as Senator.

I think he wants to be Romney's VP. Which would probably forestall your third party scenerio.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 05:49 AM (OWjjx)

160 "Who the hell is taking care of Bristol's little boy?"

Well that is a very question. Last week I was caught a few minutes of one those entertainment news shows. There is a clip of Bristol riding a mechanical bull in some bar. From what I understand she is in a reality tv show now. Being this a bar with mechanical bull some of the patrons start heckling her and her mother. Does Bristol ignore the taunts? No, she gets all up in the guys face. The clip I saw I thought she may deck him. Now that makes good reality TV but does the country really need this shit right now. I know some will reply, thats Bristol not Sarah but it seems every time I happen on one of these shows Sarah is mentioned. The Palin family has become the Kardashians of American politics.

Posted by: Long Island at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (TiURi)

161 25

Also, people don't seem to realize that while a 3 party canididate can be appealing, like Perot was, that they can't govern.

A third party president would have no representatives in congress or the Senate. Do you think Republicans or Democrats would bend to the will of a third party president?

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2011 10:24 AM (wuv1c)


I disagree.  There would be several House members who would gladly support her efforts to move the country right, end crony capitalism, venture socialism, and all kinds of other isms.

Again, not saying it's going to happen or that I want her to run, but there is a big hunger for leadership from the right and lots of the newer members of Congress would back her, if she would somehow win as a 3rd.  



Anyone who thinks Obama is losing regardless of the R candidate is wishcasting, IMO.  I'm not voting for Romney and I suspect there are a lot of conservatives who won't.  Skewer me all you want, but I will no longer enable this R party to essential be demo-light.  Romney is everything we don't need...he just happens to have an R next to his name.  He's no more a conservative than any of the blue dog demos. 

Posted by: The Hammer at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (dja/g)

162 147, That's before they find out he appointed a muzztard Judge to the bench and he's a gun grabber and a AGW defender and and and.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (ZDUD4)

163 I don't see DeMint doing it either. Although he has said he will not seek another term as Senator.

Is there a back story to his retiring?  I hate, hate, hate to lose one of our good Senators.

Did I mention that I hate this?

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (GTbGH)

164 I tuned Palin out and wrote her off long ago.

Her "Herb" Cain statement the other day just floored me.

Posted by: As If! at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (piMMO)

165

In defense of McClellen, he won most of his battles.  He just wouldn't follow up to win the campaigns.

Please stop with the Palin-McClellan comparisons.  They're giving me vertigo.

Mostly because McClellan ran as a presidential candidate in 1864.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (sbV1u)

166 Oh, and, lest we forget the most important message of the day:
Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

btw, ace: when are we going to get another Gunwalker post?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:50 AM (8y9MW)

167 So when does Fox News tell her to make a decision already, like they did Huckabee MONTHS ago?


Posted by: changer1701 at September 30, 2011 05:51 AM (xktXL)

168

If you want to read how adamant the Palinista's are about a 3rd party run go read C4P.  They're delusional. 

I hear they're going to change their name to "Cult 4 Palin"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (sbV1u)

169 #137 Palin has only been vetted tabloid style. The wonkish vetting has been absent. For example, you know she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against right? I don't dislike Palin. I think she could have had a long career as a very good Senator. I just don't think she is Presidential material.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (Cs6bg)

170 Mostly because McClellan ran as a presidential candidate in 1864.

That was on the Long Bow ticket, wasn't it?

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (GTbGH)

171 I think he wants to be Romney's VP. Which would probably forestall your third party scenerio

Well, he defended Perry, by name, when Romney went after him for the "Ponzi scheme" remark.  And he is comfortable tagging Obama with the socialist label that Romney finds offensive.  So I dunno about that. 


It did occur to me, after refreshing my mind about Mitt's resume, that the reason he's so hung up in semantics is that he was an English major as an undergrad. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (5H6zj)

172 The Rock Star Syndrome.

In her case she has yet to release an album but keeps telling us it's COMING SOON.

Sara Palin is Chinese Democracy?

Posted by: taylork at September 30, 2011 05:52 AM (5wsU9)

173 "Her "Herb" Cain statement the other day just floored me." I forgot there was a dead newspaper columnist running for the GOP slot.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (AZGON)

174
Chris Christie, the Weight-Watchers™ challenged John McCain clone aisle crosser absent the mega hooter liberal daughter. Unless his Meggy is living in his pouch?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (Lt/Za)

175 I think she has information that we don't. Bannon the creator of "The Undefeated" talked about an upcoming work of his that will be a bombshell. Something that could massively change the political landscape. He said this information will be released one month before the Iowa Caucus.

If you had inside info that the others didn't have and you knew this information would greatly change the road you needed to take you would not be on the same road as all the other candidates.

I think when she says unconventional she means it. She's running and she will win.



Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (Uf7hZ)

176

Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 10:50 AM

That will leave a mark.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (kaOJx)

177 167 So when does Fox News tell her to make a decision already, like they did Huckabee MONTHS ago?

This picture of SP explains it:

http://tinyurl.com/62flu9k

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:53 AM (136wp)

178 The notion is laughable.. she's a flibbertigibbet..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 10:32 AM (f9c2L)

The notion of a proven economic retard like you making fun of anybody is hilarious.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 05:54 AM (OGZqf)

179 @Vic, I agree with the NY29 analysis you gave, I was repeating VERBATIM what I heard two days ago at church. Palin is rapidly becoming  a Pandora's box of problems. If she gets in now, it further upsets the conservative side of the aisle and they will all commence in bloodying each other, leaving Mitt off hidden in the corner as usual,creating soundbite after soundbite for the DNC and allowing the media to make all conservatives look crazy. That leaves us with Mitt, who ain't a conservative, or IMHO even a republican. Palin seems hell bent on revenge to the media and people who said she couldn't win and denigrated her. It would appear that she has convinced herself that by running as a third party candidate she is saving her country. I damn well don't agree with that, but people become deluded so easily in politics,believe their own press and bathe in the glow from their fans. If she really was interested in putting country first she would stay out of it,realizing she can't win, and become a fundraiser and campaigner for conservatives. I have a foreboding feeling she will not do this , but will go down the path to pergatory and  her and her fans will take all of us with them.

Posted by: concealed carrie at September 30, 2011 05:54 AM (gCEs/)

180 She's running and she will win.

She not, and so she won't.

Posted by: toby928 can also idly spectulate at September 30, 2011 05:54 AM (GTbGH)

181 Basically she wants to run against Mitt. There's no point running against Perry (who has virtually the same platform as Palin)

Posted by: Pistol Packin Papa
...........
Would you mind telling me where Romney's platform is different from Perry's?  links, please...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (f9c2L)

182 by avoiding the debates, she's allowed a chief rival on the right of the party to lose a great deal of his momentum, thus possibly clearing her path by doing exactly nothing.

And that's a good thing, for her or anyone else?

I know the Palinoids' response at Tepid Air is always "The CUDA (eleventy!!11!!) Has A Strategy," but in the meantime the poor bastards who have actually, you know, DECLARED are out there, for better or worse, putting themselves on the line and being anal-yzed. We can form opinions of them based on what they SAY, not what they post on Facebook.

I for one am sick of the Divine Sarah's act. If she had the integrity to get out there and let voters inspect the goods, I could work up some enthusiasm for her if, by some miracle, she won the nomination. But someone who plays peek-a-boo and fiddlefarts around is not worthy of consideration.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (YjjrR)

183 >>>Give me a fucking break...Palin has steadfastly been the most effective at attacking Obama. NO ONE else has been that effective...from her facebook page. ObamaCare is RADIOFUCKING ACTIVE largely because of her. All the other candidates had their fucking fingers in the air trying to gauge the political winds and she was calling it like it was..DEATH PANELS. Oh? Oh really? Wow.

Posted by: ace at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (nj1bB)

184

That was on the Long Bow ticket, wasn't it?
Posted by: toby928© at September 30, 2011 10:52 AM (GTbGH)

It was actually on the Democratic ticket.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (sbV1u)

185 Every day she messes with the MSM is another day they don't go full out anti the other candidates.

Posted by: kansas at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (mka2b)

186 Whatever her perceived strengths or weaknesses as a non-candidate (so far) Palin still draws far more scrutiny and vitriol than Preznit Useful Idjit.

Sarah and her emails were a better story than Fast and Furious?
....or now Solyndra?
....or taxpayer funded campaign travel?

I wonder why. 

Posted by: ontherocks at September 30, 2011 05:55 AM (HBqDo)

187 If there's anyone who I can't stand, it's someone who can't make a decision.

Posted by: Brett Favre at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (GBXon)

188 Maybe we should be a poll up to figure what she is doing:
1. Keeping a Presidential run alive
2. Raising money for a Senate run in AZ
3. Feeding her ego
4. Attention whore
5. ...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (136wp)

189

The notion of a proven economic retard like you making fun of anybody is hilarious.

Posted by: Captain Hate
...........
Yeah, ok.. wake me up when she's got her organization set up.. so far, she's got Todd and a bus...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (f9c2L)

190 I just don't think she is Presidential material.

I don't think she is, but I think she could have been.  I supported her resignation- it made sense on a lot of levels.  At first, I was happy with her outspoken stance against the SCOAMF.

But too many here are right: she hasn't actually done anything to help her resume.  Instead of a couple of personal books, couldn't one have been a policy book?  Instead of a reality TV show and all the drama, could she not have joined a think-tank of some kind?  There are things she could have done, but she chose not to.

She may call it "unconventional" and "being a maverick," but what she (and others) seems to have forgotten is that the "tried-and-true" methods are, well, tried and true.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (8y9MW)

191 Notice the C4P tards just say the same thing over and over.

Palin For the Win!

Palin - she's running and she'll win. WIN!!!1!!1!

These people remind me of the Heaven's Gate freaks. If she told them to put on a purple cloak, some Reebok's and go get some quarters and eat some applesauce, they'd fucking do it.

They're worse than liberals.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (pLTLS)

192 6 I've lost all respect for her. She won't win the primary and now her endorsement is basically toxic. Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 10:16 AM (5H6zj) She hasn't cared about the Presidency for years now. She cares about book sales & TV shows. I really hates it when our political leadership confirms some of the crap that comes out of Chris Matthews's mouth.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 05:56 AM (niZvt)

193 I think she has information that we don't. Bannon the creator of "The Undefeated" talked about an upcoming work of his that will be a bombshell. Something that could massively change the political landscape. He said this information will be released one month before the Iowa Caucus.
If you had inside info that the others didn't have and you knew this information would greatly change the road you needed to take you would not be on the same road as all the other candidates.
I think when she says unconventional she means it. She's running and she will win.

One word. Just one.

Decaf.

Posted by: Slublog at September 30, 2011 05:57 AM (0nqdj)

194

Mostly because McClellan ran as a presidential candidate in 1864.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 10:50 AM

I guaran-damn-tee you Sarah Palin will NOT run as a candidate in 1864.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 30, 2011 05:57 AM (YjjrR)

195

 She's running and she will win.

She's running and she will doom us to another 4 years of the SCoaMF.

Thanks Sarah!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:57 AM (sbV1u)

196

Not only has Gov. Brewer not lifted a finger about the murderous Pima County SWAT debacle she also is interviewing one of the Gunwalker conspirators for a judgeship: http://tinyurl.com/4yyhs4g

 

Posted by: Scott J at September 30, 2011 05:57 AM (/bVuS)

197 Hmmm... a black helicopter is in the process of making the its third 360 above my house right at this moment... Have the Paulbots finally tracked me down??

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 05:57 AM (niZvt)

198

I guaran-damn-tee you Sarah Palin will NOT run as a candidate in 1864.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 30, 2011 10:57 AM (YjjrR)

See, I know you're right.  But over at C4P, they think she could win that race too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 05:58 AM (sbV1u)

199 I guaran-damn-tee you Sarah Palin will NOT run as a candidate in 1864.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Posted by: time traveling neutrino at September 30, 2011 05:58 AM (GTbGH)

200 @197
It's probably just an ex-girlfriend.  ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 05:58 AM (5H6zj)

201 193 I think she has information that we don't. What's her source, Ouija board? I suspect her only Secret Information is that Bristol skipped her last two periods...

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 05:59 AM (niZvt)

202 Instead of a couple of personal books, couldn't one have been a policy book? That Policy book think hasn't worked to well for Perry or Romney. Unless you count using them as night sticks at the debates.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 30, 2011 05:59 AM (ZDUD4)

203 She really should not be doing this. She owes her supporters, which im one of , an announcement.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 30, 2011 05:59 AM (QaVqq)

204 This disagreement over Palin's role reminds me of the disagreement we had over the debt ceiling.  Broadly speaking, there were two camps then: 1) The system is so broken that we're all fucked anyway, so why bother with all this stopgap, can-kicking?  2) The system can be fixed if we get enough right now to hold out for 2012.

I think the divide over Sarah falls along the same lines: 1) People who are convinced the system is fucking broken, so why try to finesse anything?  2) People who still think we have a shot at winning the game if we continue to play (however loosely) by the rules.

Clearly, in both situations people in camp 1 are going to call camp 2  delusional RINOs, and people in camp 2 are going to call camp 1 myopic, self-absorbed world-burners.

Even though I always liked Palin, she is now starting to grate on me terribly.  But at the same time, I really do appreciate that someone is out there making the case that the system sucks, since, you know, it does.  I mean, even though I'd love it if all conservatives were like Krauthammer, I still have to admit that it was Sarah who made news with the Death Panels issue and got liberals to inadvertently talk openly about what they were actually trying to do.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at September 30, 2011 05:59 AM (Y5I9o)

205

O/T.....AllenG,

I took your advice and watched the 2 hour Terra Nova pilot last night. ....Loved it. Thanks. ....Was prepared for it to suck. It didn't. The lib dogma about communal living, etc. was sort of grounded in the story line of being 140 years in the future, so it wasn't so bad. ....Good underlying suspense line with the petroglyphs and "who to trust". ....Good special effects. ....I'm looking forward to other episodes.

If anyone is interested......they are re-running the 2 hour pilot tomorrow night. ....I caught it on NatGeo channel last night, strangely enough....don't know why it was on that channel.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 05:59 AM (7D6kL)

206 The main page has gone all slanty!

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 06:00 AM (5H6zj)

207 She should delay her decision until November 8, 2012

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 06:00 AM (ItDg4)

208 Bannon the creator of "The Undefeated"
........
Is that the movie about Sarah Palin that like 12 people nationally paid to see?  Yeah.. I'm waiting with bated breath on words of wisdom from that jagdork..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 06:01 AM (f9c2L)

209 Knock it off with the woman-hating misogynistic posts, ace. I don't feel like listening to these bitches complain all day.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2011 06:02 AM (z/Mo8)

210

Gov. Palin:

I think you'd be a great President, but it's time to shit or get off the pot. You're starting to loose support and credibility with your constant hedging on the issue.

It's enough

 

Posted by: martha at September 30, 2011 06:03 AM (BXwnD)

211

 I think she has information that we don't

What? Seriously WTF does Sarah know that the rest of us don't? That SCOAMF is unpopular....nope, that one is out of the bag. That a sizeable chunk of the GOP voting base is less than happy with the current field....nope, we managed to figure that one out too. That the economy is going to hell, that our foreign policy is a disaster, that there is voter unrest out there....no, we managed to figure that out.

So, WTF does she know that we don't...that the Rapture is coming and running is irrelevant.

This is the conspiracy type crap that is utterly stupid. I have secret knowledge that you don't...therefore I have a vision of the future much clearer than yours.

Hey, your vision in the future is so much clearer, give me so winning lottery numbers first and then I will follow you.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 06:03 AM (OWjjx)

212 Did I mention that I hate this?

Posted by: toby928© at September 30, 2011 10:50 AM (GTbGH)

Yeah, I hate it too. He has said that he wants to return to private life. His life in Washington is a constant fight with the leadership and I am sure that gets old after a while.

But I do NOT think he will go for Romney VP. In fact, I don't think he will even endorse Romney this time. The field is vastly different than it was in 2008.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 06:03 AM (M9Ie6)

213

ONE WORD: COCKTEASE.

Posted by: Cocktease at September 30, 2011 06:03 AM (6T8Ay)

214 I took your advice and watched the 2 hour Terra Nova pilot last night. ....Loved it.

Glad you liked it.  I hope I didn't seem too down on it in my mini-review.  Mostly, I just realize this is a Spielberg production, and so could turn too preachy if he's not careful.  But the first was good enough for me to give it a second chance.

I felt the same way (for different reasons) about Unforgettable.  The pilot episode was kind of broiler-plate meh, but it was just interesting enough for me to stick with it for a second week.  They tightened up some things in the second week, and it will probably go on my DVR list, now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)

215 Palin has done a lot of good as a pundit.  But the idea only Palin has done a lot of good is pretty absurd.

Some people were active governors AND active Obama critics, showing up to Tea Parties and using their official capacities as governor to challenge this administration on policy screw ups.

Palin did some good, and is one of the good guys, but a few of her supporters are pretending she ALONE was effective.  This is absurd, and I think it's forced, because these people know if they give everyone a fair shot, Palin probably isn't even in first place.

If she's not running, what's the harm done here?  I see none.  The democrats have a harder time figuring out who to start demonizing as our primary draws out.  I don't mind if the primary lasts a long long time, so long as Tax and Spend pro-choice Romney (pretending to be fiscally conservative pro life Romney) isn't the winner.

I do beg Palin not to run unless she figures a way to keep Romney from beating a divided right.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 06:04 AM (fF625)

216 A brief list of Palin's big decisions as of late:

1) I'm gonna quite being governor
2) Facebook over Myspace
3) Reality TV over no reality TV show
4)Christine O'Donnell over Mike Castle
...
...
...
Yep, these are the types of judgements we need out of our President.

Posted by: taylork at September 30, 2011 06:05 AM (5wsU9)

217 204...well put and I'm in the "this is the hill to die on" camp.  It's really a mystery to me that in this environment, Mittsy is a serious candidate.  That's the best we can do?  That the conservative bench is unable to produce a real, principled, staunch, conservative is frustrating.

Perry is ok, and I may be able to pull the lever for him (although the immigration questions have me second-guessing).  Cain would get my vote at this point, but I won't vote for Mittsy or Missy.

And this election, more than any recent ones, is begging for a real conservative to step in and win.

Posted by: The Hammer at September 30, 2011 06:06 AM (dja/g)

218 @216

#4b: But a few months later COD was too toxic to be at the same rally

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 06:07 AM (5H6zj)

219 206 The main page has gone all slanty! Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 11:00 AM (5H6zj) Chinese?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:07 AM (niZvt)

220

I'm losing my "fire in the belly" for her as well.

 

Perry/Rice 2012

Posted by: Andrew at September 30, 2011 06:08 AM (qdB/X)

221

Oh? Oh really?
Wow.  Posted by: ace at September 30, 2011 10:55 AM (nj1bB)

Oh you mean that someone else coined the term? You mean that the Democrats are going to be running on "Hey Look At Us We Passed Obama Care?" is that what you mean? Or do you mean that Mittens was out there slamming Obamacare? Or perhaps that Perry was leading the charge against Obamacare...links? Exactly what do you mean Ace...

And to the rest of the Morons...yea cute compare Sarah Palin to McClelland...perfect. So in your eyes it is better to shut up if you are not absolutely sure you are going to win? Well then the current crop of candidates must have you jerking off to pictures of them.

I want someone attacking that motherfucking asshole in the White House 24/7 and I don't want someone who takes a fucking poll to find out if attacking the Marxist Clown In Chief is wise or not.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 06:08 AM (52h7T)

222 Isn't one sign of a potentially good President decisiveness?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:09 AM (niZvt)

223 She cant do this for any much longer anyhow. There is a carve in the field with perry imploding but she is really grating supporters. I wont vote for mitt.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 30, 2011 06:10 AM (QaVqq)

224
  Lots of sound and fury, but damn little genuine dissection of the lady's stance and position on issues.

  Not inspiring.

  Y'all could have gone to Vic's evals and worked from there. All I see is a shitload of misogny, and it makes me sick.

   Have a good day, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 30, 2011 06:11 AM (SAMxH)

225 Look you can all have hysterical posts about Palin you want but that doesn't change the fact the she running and she will win.






 

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:12 AM (Uf7hZ)

226 Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 11:08 AM (52h7T) Remember you told me to tell you when you were acting rudely and insensitively? Remember that? You're doing it right now.

Posted by: Jim Sting at September 30, 2011 06:12 AM (z/Mo8)

227 224 Lots of sound and fury, but damn little genuine dissection of the lady's stance and position on issues. Posted by: irongrampa at September 30, 2011 11:11 AM (SAMxH) Oh, well then why don't you help us out there, irongramps? What's her considered opinion of the best way to counter the rise China and protect our strategic interests in the Pacific Rim?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:13 AM (niZvt)

228 226 Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 11:08 AM (52h7T) Remember you told me to tell you when you were acting rudely and insensitively? Remember that? You're doing it right now. Posted by: Jim Sting at September 30, 2011 11:12 AM (z/Mo Meh, its the internet. Who gives a shit

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 30, 2011 06:13 AM (QaVqq)

229 214....AllenG....I guess what I liked the most was the family theme. This couple who went against the population control law and didn't abort their 3rd baby....the guy is a cop, and went to jail for hitting an asshole cop who was threatening their 3rd baby. ...Then how she risked everything to get him out of jail, and what he went through....good stuff. ...A love story + family survival story. ....I'm a sucker for that.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 06:14 AM (7D6kL)

230 167 So when does Fox News tell her to make a decision already, like they did Huckabee MONTHS ago?


Posted by: changer1701 at September 30, 2011 10:51 AM (xktXL)

Maybe she did give her answer and it was no. If she's not running it helps Fox with the ratings for people to speculate endlessly. The only way it would have to be made public is if she were planning a run.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 30, 2011 06:14 AM (NCw5u)

231 Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 10:18 AM (pLTLS)

Christie isn't being cute. He said no. Not his fault that people don't wanna believe him.

Posted by: KG at September 30, 2011 06:14 AM (LD21B)

232

Oh you mean that someone else coined the term? You mean that the Democrats are going to be running on "Hey Look At Us We Passed Obama Care?" is that what you mean? Or do you mean that Mittens was out there slamming Obamacare? Or perhaps that Perry was leading the charge against Obamacare...links? Exactly what do you mean Ace...

Your right...it was just Sarah and her facebook page. Jim DeMint wasn't out there fighting. Perry didn't get scorned by the media for suggesting that Obamacare was so bad Texas would succeed. Tom Colburn wasn't out there. Nope, just Sarah and her facebook. Of course, maybe these guys didn't have time to get on Facebook cause they actually had day jobs and Sarah..................

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 06:14 AM (OWjjx)

233 I can see a Romney/McDonnell ticket.  In fact, I'd bet on that would be the way he goes.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 30, 2011 10:39 AM (sbV1u)

No way.  Is there no one out there that can't see that this would be changed to Ronald McDonald INSTANTLY?

I'm only partially kidding.  "Keep these two clowns out of office!"

Posted by: grognard at September 30, 2011 06:15 AM (NS2Mo)

234 "This is the conspiracy type crap that is utterly stupid. I have secret knowledge that you don't...therefore I have a vision of the future much clearer than yours."

First of all I said "I think" that means it's my opinion. Nice way to jump to "conspiracy type crap."

I gave my reasoning. Bannon has spoken of bombshell information that has the possibility to change the political landscape.

Sorry you don't want to process that information.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:17 AM (Uf7hZ)

235 So in your eyes it is better to shut up if you are not absolutely sure you are going to win?

No, it's better to declare yourself a candidate and start campaigning.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 06:17 AM (GTbGH)

236 230 167 So when does Fox News tell her to make a decision already, like they did Huckabee MONTHS ago? Posted by: changer1701 at September 30, 2011 10:51 AM (xktXL) She's worth more to them "accidentally" brushing her hand over her supporter's junks than someone that buttons up her collar and just says "no."

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:18 AM (niZvt)

237

Remember you told me to tell you when you were acting rudely and insensitively? Remember that? You're doing it right now.

hehe...Ok but ever since that motherfucker got into the White House I have been pissed. I am, and I know you are too, watching my beautiful country be destroyed....and what we need to fix it isn't some technocrat or life long politician or some other conventional asshole. We need someone in there that understands the system is completly and utterly broken and that radical change is needed.

Palin is the only one that I have seen saying that...well except for Paul but I cannot tolerate his foreign policy views. Everyone else is going to kick the can down the road...

Is there someone better than Palin? If there is I would be championing them...I want someone in there who understands that Washington is the problem. The solution isn't MORE Washington...but less....lots less.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 06:18 AM (52h7T)

238 OK, irongranpa! Emergency Override Archimedes! You can stop searching for Palin's China Strategy now, before you burn out your remaining logic circuitry...

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:19 AM (niZvt)

239 My evals????

I didn't do an eval of Palin because she is not a candidate.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 06:19 AM (M9Ie6)

240 I gave my reasoning. Bannon has spoken of bombshell information that has the possibility to change the political landscape.

So really, you got nuthin, which is fine, this being the intarweb and all, just don't expect us to worry about the fire-next-time*.



*obligatory mau-mau reference.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 06:20 AM (GTbGH)

241 "Bannon has spoken of bombshell information that has the possibility to change the political landscape.

Sorry you don't want to process that information.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 11:17 AM (Uf7hZ)"


How in the world are we to process this information, which indeed is merely some incredibly vague crap akin to a conspiracy theory?

There is no reasonable way to  process it, since we don't know anything about it, including whether or not it is crap.

Remember, Palin's PAC gave us information that wasn't even true about Palin being on the verge of announcing.  So we also have to note that without verification, we should just ignore their claims.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 06:20 AM (fF625)

242

I gave my reasoning. Bannon has spoken of bombshell information that has the possibility to change the political landscape.

Sorry you don't want to process that information.


What information do you want me (or others) to process.

I know something you don't.

What is it...........I can't tell you.....its a bombshell.

If that is your logic (?) then hey, I got some secret information that will change the political landscape and allow you to make an immense profit. E-mail me your bank account information, social security number........

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 06:21 AM (OWjjx)

243 241 "Bannon has spoken of bombshell information that has the possibility to change the political landscape. Sorry you don't want to process that information. Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 11:17 AM (Uf7hZ)" You mean Trig's real Mom is Mitt Romney?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:22 AM (niZvt)

244 There is something about Palin that turns posters here into shrieking thirteen year old girls.

She's on our side. She's a conservative.

Why don't you just admit you  bash her because you are republican establishment supporters.

She is in a guerrilla war with the establishment and the media. You all are just to stupid to see it.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:22 AM (Uf7hZ)

245 But a few months later COD was too toxic to be at the same rally

Posted by: Y-not at September 30, 2011 11:07 AM (5H6zj)

Palin didn't want to be on the same stage as COD - too many people would start seeing connections.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 06:23 AM (ItDg4)

246

There is something about Palin that turns posters here into shrieking thirteen year old girls.

No....there is something about Palin supporters who post stuff about "bombshells" with nothing else to support it that turn us into skeptics about those around Palin.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 06:23 AM (OWjjx)

247 She is in a guerrilla war with the establishment and the media. with her supporters to con them into buying more of her books, contributing money to her bullshit PAC, and watching her TV shows. You all are just to stupid to see it. Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 11:22 AM (Uf7hZ) FTFY!

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:24 AM (niZvt)

248 Why don't you just admit you  bash her because you are republican establishment supporters.


I'm complaining because she won't get in the fight.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 06:24 AM (GTbGH)

249 We have to have ab alternative to romney though. He is a fucking asshole whom id never vote for. He and Obama are cut from the same cloth of narcissim

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 30, 2011 06:25 AM (QaVqq)

250 She may be waiting for the field to be set, and wants to be the last one to announce. The Christie thing might have been a curveball that has delayed things.

If she thinks being the last one in gives her the best chance to win, people really have a problem with that? The fact that she might be trying to win...?

And by the way, I like Palin a lot, and would never under any circumstances support her in a third party run in 2012.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 30, 2011 06:26 AM (stEuz)

251 I mean really, how hard is it to say  I proudly announce my candidacy for my party's nomination to the Presidency of the United States.

Posted by: toby928 at September 30, 2011 06:26 AM (GTbGH)

252 250 She may be waiting for the field to be set, and wants to be the last one to announce. The Christie thing might have been a curveball that has delayed things. Or maybe it was that Saturn is rising in Aquarius this month. Or, it could just be that it's the Year of the Pig, and she's allergic to pork. Who knows?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 06:28 AM (niZvt)

253 "What information do you want me (or others) to process."

How would I know. I am reporting that there is information out there that neither you and I have that is specifically related to the upcoming political landscape. That is no conspiracy theory that's a fact. Bannon has said he has some information "he considers" to be a bombshell.

After reporting that "fact" I am speculating that that information is something that Palin knows about and may be a factor in the timing of her announcement.

Good lord get a grip.



Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:28 AM (Uf7hZ)

254 On the "Terra Nova" off-topic: I watched it too. I'm going to give it a chance that it hopefully won't go all lefty preacy. I sort of like that the family central to the story so far was bucking the population control policy.

Posted by: Scott J at September 30, 2011 06:29 AM (/bVuS)

255 Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 11:28 AM (niZvt)

Hmm, I never considered the pork thing.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 30, 2011 06:29 AM (stEuz)

256 She's getting some startup cash for her next career move and the best way to do this is to tease a run. When she hits her goal, she'll regretfully bow out of a run as a favor to the party.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 10:43 AM (RD7QR)

Is that even legal? Campaign contributions can't be used for just whatever...

Posted by: KG at September 30, 2011 06:29 AM (LD21B)

257

"There is some truth in it -- by avoiding the debates, she's allowed a chief rival on the right of the party to lose a great deal of his momentum, thus possibly clearing her path by doing exactly nothing."   ~ Posted by Ace, in the header

--------

Yeah see.....that is what has been bugging me, Mr. Ace. ....She has gone into 'unforgiveable things' territory with doing this. ....This is selfish and self-serving.

I am one of those suckers who has donated to her....defended her.....bought into the excuses, etc. ....When she did those pin-up-girl posed pictures for that Newsweek spread a few months back, I winced at that because she was playing the Girl Card there, and that was unseemly IMO for a potential presidential candidate to do such a thing. ....But I kept quiet about it.

It's this 'burn the house down' stuff that Palin started doing about the time of the Iowa Straw Poll that finally burst my bubble. ....It was then that I started looking back at a lot of things with clearer eyes.  ...Her pro-unionism, her coyness in avoiding any venue where she could get asked any tough policy questions.....the fact that she has never really been 'vetted' by conservatives the way that the declared candidates are being vetted.  ...It all added up to a picture that I had not wanted to see.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 06:29 AM (7D6kL)

258 Remember that "important" announcement she gave a few weeks ago?  What was that about again?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 06:33 AM (b68Df)

259

"She is in a guerrilla war with the establishment "

No killings, massacres, or changes to the establishment. When does the war start, I need to buy some popcorn for the people's courts and mass executions.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 06:33 AM (kaOJx)

260

Good lord get a grip.

Get a clue. Right now, there are 9 declared candidates. If and when Sarah decides to venture into the field, then we will all be waiting with baited breath for the bombshell. Until then you sound like the National Enquirer trying to pimp sales.

Look at your statement. You are "reporting" that there is information out there that neither you nor I know about that is specifically related to the political landscape.

Uh, in a word....WTF?

So you admit 1) you have no knowledge of anything and 2) there may not even be anything but 3) based on 1 and 2, "She's running and she will win."

OK......don't quit your day job.


Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 06:33 AM (OWjjx)

261

 Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 11:33 AM

You missed it Reggie. She put out a statement to send her more money as it was time to go rogue some more.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 06:34 AM (kaOJx)

262 >>>There is something about Palin that turns posters here into shrieking thirteen year old girls.

>>>She's on our side. She's a conservative.

I don't think she's on our side at all, in large part because I'm increasingly convinced she's not really a conservative.  

She is a fame-whore.  Honestly, if liberalism and moderate-squishness were selling like hotcakes, I'm pretty sure she'd be the next Mike Castle if she thought it would bring her big bucks and high ratings.  I don't even need to speculate about it because...guess what?  That's how she governed in Alaska -- as a populist moderate.  Something which the 'Nistas just wave away while shrieking "NO FAIR LOOKING INTO HER RECORD!  ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT!  ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT!"

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 06:37 AM (kRtDX)

263 She needs to shit or get off the pot.. Enough is enough, calculation is good but at this point I am tired of it. I will vote for her is she runs but I am tired of talking about this crap.. I think her window was about 4 or 5 days ago. Now its just meh......

Posted by: TheGarbone at September 30, 2011 06:41 AM (wNGJu)

264 Posted by: Palin Speculator

You do know that you're in the slimest of slim minority here right? And by here I don't mean AoS -- I mean in the conservative movement.

Conservatives do not want her to run. Try reading a poll sometime.

Oh right, I forgot. Those are for strippers.

'Atta girl!

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 06:41 AM (pLTLS)

265 You are more interested in trying to score points in some kind of anti-Palin battle.

I have no more knowledge about Palin or Bannon or anyone else. I posted some information about Bannon and my opinion thereafter.

Carry your screed-on. Don't let me interrupt.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:42 AM (Uf7hZ)

266

I am surprised no one has figured this out yet.  Sarah Palin is an intelligent woman.  She can read polls.  She knows that she has no chance of becoming President of the United States, and that if she somehow wins the primary, Barack Obama will gain another term.

Sarah Palin is a serious woman.  She was serious as a governor, before the left made it impossible for her to govern.  She has principles, ideas, and goals, and a firm belief in the greatness of this country, and in how to make it great again.  She is not playing around out of some air-headed narcissistic need for attention and a paycheck.  Leave that to Obama.

Sarah Palin is a vengeful woman.  She has enemies, and she likes to take them out.  She relishes making fools out of her detractors.

Sarah Palin has one goal in 2012 - to defeat Barack Obama, and by proxy the dolts and dunderheads in the punditocracy that made his Presidency possible. 

The only Republican candidate with a chance in hell of beating Obama is Mitt Romney.  Sarah knows it.  She also knows, as Mitt knows, that he has a problem - the base distrusts him at best and despises him at worst.  He's John McCain without the madness.  And like McCain, he's going to need help with the base. 

At some point, Sarah will endorse Romney.  She'll announce that, after careful deliberation, she's decided not to run, and that Mitt is the man for her.  She will have no official role in Romney's campaign that will cause damage in the general, but her words will help, immeasurably.

Sarah is smart enough to know that she will be accused of betraying conservative principles by endorsing a RINO.  That is why she is waiting.  As the conservative "flavors of the month" soil themselves and self implode, her endorsement of Romney will look less like a conservative betrayal and more like smart politics.  Bachmann is finished and Perry is damaged goods.  Cain will do something stupid soon.  It's a no brainer.

Also, by keeping in the news and staying relevent, Sarah's "decision" will have a much greater impact.

In the end, she wins.  And so does the country.   

Posted by: Dick Morris at September 30, 2011 06:43 AM (dzjuy)

267 She better not run as a third party. That will really make me mad. You don't want to see me when I am mad. Or hear me. My voice is screechier than either her OR Michelle Bachmann...

Posted by: Janetoo at September 30, 2011 06:46 AM (R+fMx)

268 "Conservatives do not want her to run."

Ok. Then she's Tea Party. She's on our side. That better?

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:47 AM (Uf7hZ)

269

262....I don't think she's on our side at all, in large part because I'm increasingly convinced she's not really a conservative.

I agree, Jeff B. ....I think Donald Trump is more conservative than Sarah Palin.

It pains me to say that actually.....because I was a fool for a long time and didn't see it. ....But it fits the beauty queen - media background - victimhood - reality show - thing.......that I refused to look at with clear eyes.

With this recent shift toward the Left that is going on at Fox News......for all we know, Palin is a part of some sort of preferrence from the Fox camp to try to keep Obama in office. ....Obama has been good for ratings and has been a cash cow for Palin to bash.

I don't want to think that. But it is part of my new 'eyes open' policy.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 06:48 AM (7D6kL)

270 Ok. Then she's Tea Party. She's on our side. That better?

Huh? Tea partiers aren't conservative? You've lot your shit. Seriously, go back and fap at the C4P site. You're not a serious individual.

ps...people like you do her more harm than good. Maybe someday y'all will figure that out.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 06:50 AM (pLTLS)

271 Comment #262 sums up my feeling exactly.

Posted by: brak at September 30, 2011 06:51 AM (nIoiW)

272 "Its her minions on blogs that are freaking me out... they have trashed the candidates so bad that we will be stuck with Mitt Romney."

Hey, Perry trashed himself. Illegal immigration is tied up with every single major issue regarding our nation.

From jobs to the economy, the debt, national security, voting demographics, the rule of law...etc.

I can't think of one serious topic that illegal immigration hasn't been a factor.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 06:53 AM (Uf7hZ)

273 I don't think she's on our side at all, in large part because I'm increasingly convinced she's not really a conservative.  

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 11:37 AM (kRtDX)

What's this "our side" you're talking about?  It sure as fuck isn't conservative.  Shouldn't you be getting drunk-by-Noonan her arthritis cure like a good cabana boy?

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 06:55 AM (OGZqf)

274 Another lame hit-whoring post that enables people who say they don't care about Sarah Palin to show just how much they do care about Sarah Palin.

If the current declared candidates were so bleeding awesome nobody would be talking about Chris Christie or Sarah Palin or any other currently-undeclared candidate.  They obviously aren't awesome.  And that includes Rick Perry and Mitt Romney.

She'll make her announcement when she makes her announcement.  Grow a pair and deal with it.




Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:00 AM (dcoFe)

275

I have no more knowledge about Palin or Bannon or anyone else anything.

FIFY

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 07:02 AM (OWjjx)

276

OMG!!!11!!! THIS IS THE MOST BRILLIANT STRATEGERY EVAH!11!1!1

she has all you haters in teh palm of her hand and she hasnt even announced yet!! she is WINNING!!! she's a full on warlock w/ tiger blood beeches!!

 

Posted by: chas at September 30, 2011 07:03 AM (TKF1Y)

277 @50 RE: Bristol and the baby - I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!!! Some great example she turned out to be

Posted by: Janetoo at September 30, 2011 07:03 AM (R+fMx)

278

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 12:00 PM (dcoFe)

 

how sad, you dont realize your being mocked. oh well, youll get better one day.

Posted by: chas at September 30, 2011 07:04 AM (TKF1Y)

279 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO

Hi!! I haven't seen you around in forever -- how are you!!

It's lacey btw

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:04 AM (pLTLS)

280 >>>What's this "our side" you're talking about?  It sure as fuck isn't conservative.  Shouldn't you be getting drunk-by-Noonan her arthritis cure like a good cabana boy?

You have no right be reading *anyone* out of the conservative movement given your big-government lib "compassionate conservative" support for Sarah Palin.  Aren't there some eeeevil oil companies that need to be taxed, Captain Hate?  Hey, it's the PEOPLE'S oil, after all -- they're entitled to all those profits, not the company that pays for the permits, builds the infrastructure, drills for the resource and transports it to market!

Seriously: you're basically a bizarro-image DKos liberal.  You mistake "rage" and "heated invective" for being authentically conservative. 

But we don't.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 07:05 AM (kRtDX)

281

269 "Conservatives do not want her to run."

Ok. Then she's Tea Party. She's on our side. That better?

------------

Palin's union "brothers and sisters" are attacking the Tea Party......the Postal Union is attacking the Tea Party right now by using their post office jobs to barrage them with juck mail. .....Where is Palin on this?

Palin is a squish on Immigration and has put out the same party line as McCain. ....She has never even had to deal with it like Perry has.

If you go down Palin's list of what constitutes a "true conservative"....Rick Perry fits that list to a Tee. ....The fact that she didn't immediately endorse him when he got in the race (like she did last year)......and instead chose to snark him from the sidelines, is one of the things that made me start to look at Her more clearly.

I don't know if Palin is on some sort of personal vengeful jihad against the Republican party or what. .....But she is intellgent enough to realize how much her indecisiveness has damaged her more than anything, as far as qualifying her for being a good president.  ....It is her diehard fans who are refusing to see this and are still clinging to the scraps she is tossing out, that are doing harm to the real candidates, and our chances of defeating Obama.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 07:07 AM (7D6kL)

282

Hi!! I haven't seen you around in forever -- how are you!!

It's lacey btw

Doing well. Work has been a pain. Got the oldest off to college a month ago. And, on Wednesday, I celebrated my 20th wedding anniversary to Mrs. Mallamutt.

And how are you and why the new handle?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 07:07 AM (OWjjx)

283

And meanwhile, the declared field (with the possible exception of Herman Cain) has been underwhelming. I guess that's Palin's and her supporters' fault too.

Posted by: Rich Fader at September 30, 2011 07:08 AM (SF/wy)

284 I love listening to the cogent political analysis of folks who thought Fred Thompson was the savior of the conservative movement.

I know vaginas are scary to some of you and having patience to see events play out seems dumb to others of you, but sometimes the wisdom of message-board patrons isn't the end-all, be-all of strategic thinking.

You can go back to masturbating to pictures of Rick Perry now.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:09 AM (dcoFe)

285

"I guess that's Palin's and her supporters' fault too."

Nope. She isn't running, and would quit if she did, so she has nothing to do with the race. Except to sit on the sidelines and throw bombs at other GOPers who are running.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 07:09 AM (kaOJx)

286 And, on Wednesday, I celebrated my 20th wedding anniversary to Mrs. Mallamutt

Steak and BJ day - woot woot

Well it's attached to my twitter feed. Seemed a little um, stupid. I actually always hated that damn name & was looking for *any* excuse to chuck it.

Doin' mighty fine, thanks for asking!

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:11 AM (pLTLS)

287

"You can go back to masturbating to pictures of Rick Perry now."

I'm frightened to find out what you, that picture of Sarah, and that blow up doll thing are doing.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 07:11 AM (kaOJx)

288

Posted by: Rich Fader at September 30, 2011 12:08 PM (SF/wy)

 

she brings nothing to field to make it anymore exciting. there is nothing new or revolutionary about any of her "ideas". just a small rabid bunch of paulbots who would rather chase skirt than blimp.

Posted by: chas at September 30, 2011 07:11 AM (TKF1Y)

289 I know vaginas are scary to some of you

And yet you continue to discount that many of her biggest critics here have...wait for it....lady bits.

You fail, my friend. You fail hard,

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:12 AM (pLTLS)

290 The biggest critics of successful women generally are other women.  Psychologists have many theories as to why.

Most dudes aren't threatened by other successful dudes.  Women seem to be. 

YMMV.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:14 AM (dcoFe)

291 "I have no more knowledge about Palin or Bannon or anyone else anything."

You are a shoot the messenger type guy. Haha.

Oh well. The message remains.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 07:16 AM (Uf7hZ)

292 Most dudes aren't threatened by other successful dudes.  Women seem to be. 

Yes, I let you walk right into that.

Because you see, if we don't like her, or have become disappointed in her shenanigans, it must be because we're (a) fugly or (b) dumpy.

You know what they say when you assume, don't you...?

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:18 AM (pLTLS)

293

Oh well. The message remains.

Yes....here is your message:

I know nothing but Sarah Palin will run and win.

This is the type of message that built Las Vegas.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 07:18 AM (OWjjx)

294 Because you see, if we don't like her, or have become disappointed in her shenanigans, it must be because we're (a) fugly or (b) dumpy.

or your a RINO....................

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at September 30, 2011 07:19 AM (OWjjx)

295

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 12:14 PM (dcoFe)

 

exactly!! women who dont worship sarah like you, its because she 's a woman. not because they have listned to and considered her positions and found themselves in disagreement with them.

 

when you start using the same arguments the libs use (you dont like obama cause he's black) you've gone to the dark side. take a deep breath and move towards the light.

Posted by: chas at September 30, 2011 07:19 AM (TKF1Y)

296 >>>The biggest critics of successful women generally are other women.  Psychologists have many theories as to why.

>>>Most dudes aren't threatened by other successful dudes.  Women seem to be. 

>>>YMMV.

Oh I get it.  Women who dislike Sarah Palin dislike her merely because she's such a shining example of unfettered success and they're jealous.  NOT, say, because she is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure who is thoroughly unqualified for the Presidency, seems to have several key deficiencies of character, and isn't all that bright to boot. 

Yes, it's just catty bitches trying to drag a good woman down.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 07:20 AM (kRtDX)

297 Wow.

Lots of bitterness, vitriol, and frustration over someone who is "irrelevant."

How do filing deadlines, campaigns, and elections work again?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:27 AM (dcoFe)

298

"How do filing deadlines, campaigns, and elections work again?"

Ask your messiah. Those things are only for the little people who are actually running for POTUS.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 07:28 AM (kaOJx)

299 Can't really disagree with the general sentiment here.  But I'm pondering so lemme throw another log on this fire.

I figure she wants to run but can't figure an angle.  Right now we have seven conservatives/libertarians splitting the non-Romney vote.  Romney has 100% of the Country Club Republicans, 100% of the RINOs and 100% of the Establishment Republicans.  The rest of the field is fighting over the rest.  The Media tried to ram T-Paw in as a 'conservative', tried to get Daniels to do likewise but those efforts failed.  So we have a good four (plus Bachman) viable conservatives fighting for the conservatives, add Palin and she just splits it again.  Christie, like Perry before, would be able argue their entry would totally realign the race but Palin probably can't at this point and we saw how that worked out for Perry.

And by waiting she is avoiding the debates.  I suspect with her in every debate would be the Palin show.  Argue all you want whether she would be encouraging it or not, the media (Fox included) could not help themselves.  And watching her in action a while now I suspect she wouldn't fare terribly well in a long string of debates.  She handled Biden well enough but he is Biden after all.

As for a third party run, that is where my money is at.  I suspect she is bright enough to realize we are walking into a trap anyway.  The 2012 race won't go according to plan anyway, because the whole Democrat Party goes down in flames if that happens, so it won't.  We will nominate Romney and then the campaign won't be on economics.  Yes Palin on third party means Obama wins, but that fate is sealed the second Romney cinches the nomination.  But Palin running means we might get enough of our side to turn out to dominate the Senate and I suspect that will be her short term plan.  A solid R House & Senate would mean four years of gridlock and a government that does nothing is probably the best we can expect.  Longer term I suspect she would try to use the fiasco to end the Republican Party.  Can't say that would be a bad thing, whether it is good would depend on how the fragments realigned.

Posted by: John Morris at September 30, 2011 07:30 AM (sCRhB)

300

Governor Nicki Haley, CongressWoman Kristi Noem, Governor Mary Fallin......these are all strong conservative women in politics today. 

These are examples of good and beautiful women who are working hard at their jobs to fix the mess that we are in. ....And I support them as conservatives, and admire them as women. ...These ladies are in the trenches every day.....not sniping from the sidelines.

This crap about "women just don't like Sarah Palin" is total bullshit.

I take a dim view of any female who plays the 'Girl Card' like Palin has been doing.......whether it is in business or in politics. .....Pitting people against each other is a juvenile, school girl ploy that has no place in politics.....and is downright dangerous in today's toxic political arena.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 07:31 AM (7D6kL)

301 So what did we learn today class??

The AoS 'ettes are jealous and fugly.

The AoS 'rons are bitter and frustrated.

If only we were delusional enough to believe that *one* candidate would save us. Save us from ourselves. Excuse me, I think I have a shrine to erect.

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:31 AM (pLTLS)

302 This is all such stupid-on-stupid. She CAN'T run, for a whole bunch of reasons, quite apart from the main ones: a) Ailes made it quite clear he won't allow Fox News to be audited by national elections officials, which is INEVITABLE one she failed or declined to do what Newt Gingrich did in choosing to get out before the law required such audits, and b) is she runs, she loses - bad - & that just blows up the whole 'run indefinitely' thing. But then, she also can't NOT run - not after her behavior this year. I suppose some will argue she's staying out now to make sure she stands the best chance of being labelled a quitter TWICE - but others will argue she's actually REFINED the Quitting Game but an entire standard deviation, in not even bothering to run before quitting. And so she runs, & - well see above. It's over for her. She's going to have to find something else to do; maybe start a foundation to study stuff and such.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 30, 2011 07:31 AM (vahvH)

303 Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter

Shut up, stupid bint! You'z iz jealouz!!!!!!!!

Posted by: C4P tard at September 30, 2011 07:34 AM (pLTLS)

304 The general election isn't for another 13 months+.  The first filing deadline isn't for another 2 weeks.

Romney is blowing through money like Charlie Sheen in a Bangkok coke den.

Perry has managed to simultaneously piss off the conservative base while reminding moderates of all the bad parts of GWB.  That's a hell of a two-fer, BTW.

With Herman Cain, we're now on Conservative Fringe Candidate flavor-of-the-month number three or four thus far.

And the R establishment is trying desperately to convince Great Moderate Hope number three (or is it four?), Chris Christie to make the jump in.

But Sarah Palin is an idiot/tease for letting events play themselves out.

Jeez, you guys sure have the wisdom of Sun Tzu or von Clausewitz.  Maybe some of you could help the game theorists up at MIT work out some models.


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:40 AM (dcoFe)

305 Posted by: trumpetdaddy

I refudiate every part of this post

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:42 AM (pLTLS)

306

"Jeez, you guys sure have the wisdom of Sun Tzu or von Clausewitz"

I do remember Sun Tzu saying "To win, you must first quit".

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 07:43 AM (kaOJx)

307

303......I am waiting for her to say that she is "Not for Sale" and doesn't want to be "shackled with a Title"....so that she can continue to 'go rogue' and fight those 'crony capitalists'.

This would be in keeping with the meme she has been formulating since her speech on Sept 3rd in the drizzling rain.

I just wish that someone would clue her in about that term 'crony capitalism'.....it is an old liberal phrase that was coined to demonize capitalism. ....Or maybe Sarah has a problem with capitalism as a concept. At this point I don't know.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 07:43 AM (7D6kL)

308 How about the obvious answer:  She hasn't made up her mind yet.  That's what she says.  

Everything she says about this is 1,000 times more honest than the Cowboy Rick flip flop of  There is no way I will ever run.  I'm not running.  I'm not running.  No, I'm not running.   No, no never.   Oh wait, I have seen the money light and now I am called to run.   

We will soon hear the same Barbara Streisand from his New Jerseyness.  Just before the Beltway RINOs proclaim him to be the one true savior.  

As for Palin running third party.  I hope she does if for no other reason but to put the final nail in the Whigs that now call themselves Republicans.  But,  she has said many times that she will not do that. 


Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 30, 2011 07:46 AM (+g/Xl)

309 As for Palin running third party.  I hope she does if

Thanks in advance for giving us four more years of the Marxist twat. Give yourself a BIG round of applause!

Posted by: lu at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (pLTLS)

310 @308 Perhaps you might consider that using the language of the enemy against them is consistent with good tactics.  Somewhere I recall someone said something about holding the enemy to their own rules.  Who could that have been? 

I wonder...Did his name start with an "A?"

Hmmm....

I also remember someone saying something about controlling the language controlling the terms of debate.  Hmmm....

Never mind, she's a quitter/idiot/tease/snowbilly/hick who doesn't read, can't speak, has redneck kids, and who can see Russia from her house.


Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (dcoFe)

311 Maybe she wants to be the last one in, but Christie is waiting to jump in if she jumps in. If so we have a standoff that will go on a bit longer.

Suppose she declares on October 15. By November 15 will anyone care that she delayed until the middle of October to jump in? The vast majority of people do not want to think about a presidential election yet. It is still over 13 month off and the situation in the U.S. and the world will be very different by that time.

Posted by: nohype at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (9yfLe)

312 "Christie is waiting to jump in if she jumps in."

Um, no.  Christie isn't running.  He's not waiting and he's not running.  He's not teasing.  He's just not running.

He is completing a highly successful term of office because he knows that's a better way to become successful as a politician, and it's also his mission in life right now.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 07:55 AM (fF625)

313 As long as a lying thieving Wall Street hustling scum bag like TheeRomney is anyone's serious choice, this party and this country are for the high jump. 

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 30, 2011 07:55 AM (+g/Xl)

314 @312  It is a bit of a Mexican standoff, isn't it?

I still hold to the view that the race is now, has been, and will continue to be Romney vs. Palin.  All the rest is white noise.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 07:55 AM (dcoFe)

315 "I hope she does if for no other reason but to put the final nail in the Whigs that now call themselves Republicans.  But,  she has said many times that she will not do that. 


Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 30, 2011 12:46 PM (+g/X"

No, you need more than that to create a conservative political party.

Ross Perot threw elections too.  Didn't help reform or eliminate the GOP... it simply paved the way for Bill Clinton and all that means with regard to foreign policy (9/11, imo).

Not his fault, but let's be  clear: Palin is too patriotic to let Obama win another term if she can help it.  Her supporters may not get it, but she does.  She will stump for the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 07:57 AM (fF625)

316 What all of you anti-Palin "screeders" refuse to take note of is that Palin has repeatedly, and vociferously said ANYBODY BUT OBAMA.

She is not going to run third party.

Get over it.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (Uf7hZ)

317

311 Trumpetdaddy

Your circular logic is operating under the premiss that Palin is a genius.....and therefore anything she does is brilliant.

So far, the only thing I can see that Palin has done that is 'brilliant' is the way that she continues to play people......and it is very similar to the way that the SCoaMF plays people.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (7D6kL)

318 My inexpert political opinion: She has heard that Christie will get in if she gets in (which actually sounds right to me, given the obvious disdain he has for her).  She is now sand-bagging him, and the mixed signals she is giving are designed to confuse and distract.  Or not. 

Posted by: speculation at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (Gzb30)

319

She is not going to run third party.

FIFY

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 08:12 AM (kaOJx)

320

As a longtime Palin supporter/defender, I am totally sure that she would not even consider a third party run. 

 

What I can’t get over is this breathless need for her to jump into the race immediately.  If I were advising her campaign, I would keep her out as long as possible so that the events playing out right now have time to develop.  The “flavor of the month” is a great analogy.  First Bachmann, then Perry, now Cain and some even still hold the torch for Christie – who is may seem conservative for New Jersey but not to rest of the country. 

 

Let each one have their day in the sun and flame out as they have. 

 

She’s still the only potential candidate that is fully vetted, so the campaign could focus on destroying Obama.  Nothing to pop up at the last minute, which is the left’s only hope.

Posted by: jwest at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (qeYI9)

321 @318  No.  I'm operating on the premise of what seems patently freaking obvious.

I've said it before in other threads.  Romney has money but average general public name recognition.  Palin has 100% name recognition but not Romney's money.  They are both playing the game as one would expect given those realities.

Romney has been officially in from the beginning and wants to be the last man standing, an advantage his money gives him the patience to pursue.  In the course of being a long-declared candidate he becomes an inevitability as others fade.

Palin doesn't need to build name recognition, she needs to conserve money and hit hard and fast taking advantage of free media. So, she delays until the last minute, sucks up attention in the free media, and then makes a big splash entry right before the final primary debates.  This puts tremendous pressure on her to do well in the debates because everybody will be watching, but this is a make-or-break strategy from the get-go, anyway.

This isn't rocket science.  Palin isn't a genius.  You don't have to be to play this game.  You just have to be able to game out scenarios and assess risk/reward calculations accurately.

You know, exactly the kind of skill-set a nationally successful politician should have.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 08:25 AM (dcoFe)

322

What I can’t get over is this breathless need for her to jump into the race immediately.  If I were advising her campaign, I would keep her out as long as possible so that the events playing out right now have time to develop.  The “flavor of the month” is a great analogy.  First Bachmann, then Perry, now Cain and some even still hold the torch for Christie – who is may seem conservative for New Jersey but not to rest of the country. 

In other words avoid as much heavy lifting as you can by getting in as late as you can.  Swoop in to fill the gap left by the departed candidates who invested their time and efforts for months while you sat in the comfort of a Fox News Studio.

 I'm seriously not impressed.

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 08:26 AM (b68Df)

323 "In other words avoid as much heavy lifting as you can by getting in as late as you can.  Swoop in to fill the gap left by the departed candidates who invested their time and efforts for months while you sat in the comfort of a Fox News Studio."

Wow. That's just plain weird. She's suppose to help her competitors beat her?

It's not fair Sarah didn't sabotage herself for all the competitors who couldn't make it on their own. Wahwahwah.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 08:35 AM (Uf7hZ)

324 @323  Exactly.  This is about winning.  WINNING.

No candidate is under any obligation to make it easy for the competition.  You play the hand you have to play.  If the other candidates can't win against her, they don't deserve to.

It is just too damn bad that the other candidates don't have her advantages.  They also don't have her disadvantages.  It all evens out.

It isn't her job to win their elections for them.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 08:36 AM (dcoFe)

325 I will be very surprised if she runs.  I've been convinced for a long time that she has no intention of running had has been using the tease simply to remain highly relevant and keep herself in the discussion.

And, I like and support Palin.  I'm not saying that as a "hater" as everyone will likely jump on and call me. 

Plenty of other political / pundit types have played the "will they / won't they" game with elections for this very reason.  It is a time-honored strategy.  Hell, some people even jump in campaigns with no belief they can and no intention of trying to win just to keep themselves in the spotlight (Paul, Gingrich, Santorum - I'm looking at you).  So, I don't have a major problem with her doing this - although it is frustrating b/c it keeps her die-hard supporters from focusing on the available candidates and causes a lot of thread wars.

As an aside, who is giving these 3rd tier candidates money?  I mean, I understand Paul - all the potheads send him money.  But who exactly is throwing money away on a Gingrich or Santorum campaign?  Do the donors really think these guys have a chance?  And if they don't, why are they donating money to them?  I understand if people donate money to a sitting governor or Senator's campaign for president b/c they are still buying some access to that person in the office they are in, even if they don't believe the candidate has any shot to win the nomination.  But what do donors get out of donating to Gingrich or Santorum?  neither is in office or is likely to hold significant office again in the near future.  Neither has a shot in hell of winning the nomination.  What is the point?

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 30, 2011 08:39 AM (sOx93)

326 trumpetdaddy 's post at 322 nails it.


Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 08:39 AM (Uf7hZ)

327

@275

 

Actually, people aren't pining for a Christie candidacy outside the offices of the Weekly Standard and Ann Coulter's fantasies about some plus sized lovin.

There is no groundswell for Chris Christie.  Just as there isn't for Palin.  There wasn't any for Paul Ryan either.  The only one who had serious momentum was Mitch Daniels, until he decided the brilliant strategy of "hey, let's tell half the GOP to STFU!"

Republicans like Christ Christie as the governor of NJ.  They like Paul Ryan as the rising star who will shape policy for hopefully decades to come in the House.  They just don't like the idea of them being President and basically the head of the Republican Party.

Contrast this to Palin.  Outside of a few Palinolatry people at C4P, everyone else has moved on.  We all knew she wasn't running.  But we are also getting sick of her taking up space and time that should be focused on something relevant, like winning the next election.

True irony that she will be defeated not by the left, but by the adult conservatives who finally got sick of her act.

Posted by: ktierney at September 30, 2011 08:44 AM (b1xzA)

328

One other thing I have trouble understanding is what Ace’s (or anyone else who holds her resignation against her) plan was for Palin to continue in the governorship of Alaska. 

 

I remember someone saying she could have “worked with the Alaska legislature” to change the exceptional laws that allowed the suits and prevented her from accepting any help in paying for the defense, but apparently whoever suggested this wasn’t thinking about how she had alienated a lot of her own party fighting corruption.  It certainly didn’t seem possible that they would go out of their way to change the rules to help her at that time.

 

I would be interested in anyone laying out a plausible way she could have continued.

Posted by: jwest at September 30, 2011 08:56 AM (qeYI9)

329

Wow. That's just plain weird. She's suppose to help her competitors beat her?

It's not fair Sarah didn't sabotage herself for all the competitors who couldn't make it on their own. Wahwahwah.

Let me get this straight.  For Sarah to have joined the campaign at the point everyone else did would be self-sabotage?  Why exactly?

Oh, because the longer a person is in a campaign, the more conspicuous their flaws become.  Better just to sit back and let everyone else do all that hard stuff like debating. 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 08:58 AM (b68Df)

330 I would be interested in anyone laying out a plausible way she could have continued.

The electorate (primary and general) will determine the nominee and the general winner.  2012 will be a revolutionary election and the voters sense this. None of the announced candidates are revolutionariy and  Christie sure as hell is not.

Sarah Palin is a revolutionary and she has the guts, the moral stamina, and the stated goals that match the public temper.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2011 09:02 AM (HjPtV)

331

Palin has done more to fight Obama than all of the rest of the candidates together

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 10:22 AM (52h7T)

Not even remotely true, and it's assinine hyperbole like this which has led me to despise the diehard Palinistas.

Posted by: Vyceroy at September 30, 2011 09:05 AM (mqy6N)

332 "

I want someone attacking that motherfucking asshole in the White House 24/7 and I don't want someone who takes a fucking poll to find out if attacking the Marxist Clown In Chief is wise or not.

Posted by: PierreLegrand at September 30, 2011 11:08 AM (52h7T) "

Attacking SCOAMF - then why the heck did she tag team Perry with Bachmann for Guardasil?

Face it, ur a Palinista and will spin anything for St. Sarah.

Furthermore, Palinistas have done more damage to Sarah than DWTS Bristol.  Attacking fellow conservatives because we don't kiss her ass has gained her ZERO new  voters.  All C4P has done is to drive away past supporters and rake in cash for the Palins from the hardcore cultists.

Posted by: God Bless Mrs. Walker at September 30, 2011 09:08 AM (VxqUc)

333 "Sarah Palin is a revolutionary and she has the guts, the moral stamina, and the stated goals that match the public temper.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2011 02:02 PM (HjPtV) "

Dude, she can't even make a decision.  Not exactly "public temper."

Posted by: Nora at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (VxqUc)

334 "For Sarah to have joined the campaign at the point everyone else did would be self-sabotage?"

Way to twist my words.

You want her to do what YOU WANT.  She owes you nothing.

She gets in the race when she wants to and the voters either vote for her or they don't. She wins or she loses. End of story.

She's was under no obligation to get into the race "when everyone else did."

Shouldn't Perry be penalized since he didn't start back in May? Oh gosh he only got in three weeks ago. Wahaha that's not fair.

There are only two reasons to enter early. Name recognition and locking up big money donors. She has name recognition off the charts. The establishment is not going to fund her.

She's playing to her strengths. How dare she.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 09:13 AM (Uf7hZ)

335 Don't worry, if Sarah runs third party I'll drop her like a hot potato.

In fact, if she waits too much longer I might get really used to the idea of Herman Cain.

Posted by: arhooley at September 30, 2011 09:16 AM (ymPoE)

336

How dare the organizers of the debates want to give voters lots of opportunity to see candidates debate.  They didn't consult with Sarah about her schedule, because it really is about her and not the taxpayers, because they are misongystic pigs.

/sarc

Posted by: Nora at September 30, 2011 09:19 AM (VxqUc)

337

Perry can't wait to amnesty 12 million illegals and add more crap onto the backs of all of us who pay the fucking bills.

12,000,000 illegals that don't pay taxes now are 12,000,000 citizens that pay taxes after amnesty, aren't they?

Posted by: ASS at September 30, 2011 09:19 AM (nBE5A)

338 "Don't worry, if Sarah runs third party I'll drop her like a hot potato."

Me too. This whole cultist meme is ridiculous.






Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 09:22 AM (Uf7hZ)

339

Way to twist my words.

You want her to do what YOU WANT.  She owes you nothing.

Yeah and I can compliment or criticize, support or oppose anyone I WANT, in the way that I WANT.  You Palinistas act like the woman is beyond reproach.  She's not.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 09:27 AM (b68Df)

340

She's playing to her strengths. How dare she.

Avoiding debates and the rigors of campaigning is a sign of weakness, not strength.


 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 30, 2011 09:30 AM (b68Df)

341 I see it as shrewd. I like my leaders to be shrewd.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 09:35 AM (Uf7hZ)

342 "Perry can't wait to amnesty 12 million illegals and add more crap onto the backs of all of us who pay the fucking bills."


He has specifically rejected amnesty.  And it's Rick Perry, the guy who is willing to stand up for his honest views even if it brings him under heavy fire.  He's not a flip flopper like Mitt Romney, who has signed his name to tax increases and spending increases and repeatedly promised never to waver from supporting Roe V Wade, but now does all he can to explain why that shouldn't be held against him because hey, it was MA.  Perry's word that he rejects Amnesty is credible.  If you reject him for the views he actually has, such as his tuition policy, that's fair, but he doesn't support amnesty.

I suspect Mitt Romney does support amnesty.  Remember Mitt Romney was caught employing illegals multiple times, from the same agency he knew employed illegals in the past. 

The only guy who is stalwart on this issue is Herman Cain.



Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 09:40 AM (fF625)

343 " I see it as shrewd. I like my leaders to be shrewd.

Posted by: Palin Speculator"

But it's turning off a lot of people Palin would need in order to win.

You want shrewd, vote Romney.  You want sincere conservative, vote Perry or Cain.

Palin isn't even running, anyway. 

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 09:41 AM (fF625)

344 who are these "coming and going" people she's even talking about?!?!? Bachmann and Santorum. McCotter already dropped out and endorsed Romney, though nobody noticed. Maybe Gary Johnson.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 30, 2011 09:47 AM (lNGfM)

345 who are these "coming and going" people she's even talking about?!?!?

Huckabee is reconsidering.

Giuliani has staff in NH and is asking former supporters to wait until he makes final decision.

And now Christie's reconsidering. Again.

So.

Palin's correct again.

Ace and the morons hardest hit.

Where's your post, Ace, all about how Palin has never said she wasn't running?

Like Perry did? Like Christie did? Like Huckabee did?

Which is worse in your book?

To come out unequivocally and say you're not running? And then change your mind and run?

Or to say all along, "I'm still considering it?"

Posted by: hrh at September 30, 2011 10:07 AM (DcLWZ)

346 @344  No, it isn't.  It pisses off partisans of other candidates who are frustrated that their chosen champion hasn't gained enough traction to separate himself from the pack of wannabes. 

At the end of the day, you have to win votes to win the election.  The fact that this has to be stated is sad.  It should be obvious.

Each candidate will pursue the strategy that his/her team thinks puts them in the best position to get more votes than the other guys/gals.  When the voting is done, we'll see who had the best strategy.

There is no such thing as "unfair" in politics, only that which is legal and that which is illegal.  If a candidate takes full advantage of every legal move available to him/her and wins, it is just too fucking bad for the other candidates that didn't do so. 

"Fair" ain't got nothing to do with it.

At the end of the day, there isn't a single conservative in this country (that isn't mentally ill) that will vote for Barack Obama over any of the Republican candidates in the general election, and that includes if Sarah Palin is the nominee.  Especially if she picks a running mate like Rob Portman, who hits all the right R establishment hot buttons for all the right reasons, as I suggested on another thread.

Anybody who says he won't vote for fill-in-the-blank-R-that-isn't-my-candidate against Obama is just pissing and moaning because his candidate isn't doing as well as he would like currently.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 10:12 AM (dcoFe)

347 Ponder the fact that there are only three people in America who could be on the final ballot next November who have had people in every county in every state in America pull a lever for them before.

Those three people are Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Sarah Palin.  Mitt Romney is the only other serious candidate who has come close.  No, Ron Paul is not a serious candidate.

You cannot underestimate the value of having run in a national campaign before, even one as dysfunctional as the McCain/Palin 2008 campaign.  Only Romney has come close before.  This is why only Romney and Palin are playing a long game.  Because they've both been there before.  Everybody else is amateurs at this game by definition, including Perry and Christie.

I'm not saying it is Romney vs. Palin because I'm talking out of my ass.  I'm saying it because that is the dynamic, has been all along, and unless Sarah definitively says "no," will be until the nomination race is over.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 30, 2011 10:26 AM (dcoFe)

348 12,000,000 illegals that don't pay taxes now are 12,000,000 citizens that pay taxes after amnesty, aren't they?

I don't buy that Perry is looking to immediately amnesty illegals - although he seems to swing that way.

but the above claim is silly.  do you really think that the illegals that are working under the table now are at jobs where the employer is suddenly going to want to incur the costs of a) workers comp insurance; b) payroll taxes and c) minimum wage plus overtime requirements?

What makes you believe this?  Instead, if the newly minted legal residents demand those things, instead those employers are going to look to NEW illegals to hire and all you have accomplished is making 12 million people eligible to remain here legally and obtain welfare benefits while enticing millions more people to cross the border illegally as soon as possible.

Or, if your argument is that these suddenly legalized people will now be able to get better jobs, what makes you believe that?  We do have 9% or higher unemployment and these individuals are most likely not the best educated or most skilled workers available. 

So on what planet will the 12 million people suddenly granted amnesty be paying taxes?  I don't understand the tortured reasoning some people have when it comes to illegal immigration.  they believe one or more of a bunch of nonsensical things:  1) we have a moral obligation to allow whoever wants to become a resident/citizen do so (this is the only way a moral obligation to legalize illegals makes sense); 2) the illegals will "come out of the shadows" and somehow enrich us.  Neither of these arguments has any basis in reality.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 30, 2011 10:27 AM (sOx93)

349 @349 Exactly. Plus you'll get 12 million new democrat voters. Better learn Spanish.

No Thanks.

Posted by: Palin Speculator at September 30, 2011 10:33 AM (Uf7hZ)

350

"Where's your post, Ace, all about how Palin has never said she wasn't running?"

 

I can find you a few about her quitting 1/2 way thru her one term as a governor. Romney finished his term and Perry is in office after being re elected multiple times.



 

Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 11:10 AM (kaOJx)

351 Obama might acquiesce to requests from the Democratic leadership in Congress and bow out of the 2012 race, leaving the door open for him to return sometime in the future. cns news reports Dick Morris statement

Palin said she could beat Obama. But if he "acquiesces" she knows better than to presume she wouldn't end up against a rock and a hard spot.

Procrastinating her announcement fizzled whatever credibility she thought she has. Pathetic, truly. Along with Christie, Palin personifies no fire in the potus belly stove '12. This drama with Huckster wobbling into the race really is insulting to the public. I was for running before I was against it before I was for it.

Posted by: didn't take long at September 30, 2011 11:14 AM (lpWVn)

352 Well Perry still tops the national polls except for FOX which has gone full blown Romney centrist for the election.

Palin is playing games...old and stupid games but a sucker is born every minute I guess.  Bhopal Coale (Greta's Hubby) is running the show for her, her superpac,contracts and media tours. Palin sold out to a former trial lawyer who is in bed with democrats dating back to the Clintons. Bhopal Coal has it in for Gov. Perry over Tort reform in Texas.

Done with Palin!

Posted by: workingclass artist at September 30, 2011 11:19 AM (tBMfq)

353 quitting 1/2 way thru her one term as a governor. ... Perry is in office after being re elected multiple times. -- Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 30, 2011 04:10 PM (kaOJx)

Perry lied. When he campaigned for a third guber-term, he promised that he would complete it, swearing absolutely that he would not run for potus '12. Now he's too busy campaigning for potus to be Governor, leaving the state at taxpayer expense, claiming he's doing Texas a big favor by abandoning responsibilities. Maybe he's right about that. At least Palin's rationale for resigning was to save her State taxpayer funds from being squandered defending Palin's political career. In that, it was a selfless act--opposite Perry's over indulgence. Come to think of it, despite all the hate towards Palin, no arsonist destroyed the Alaska governor's mansion. Perry's is still vacated, work to restore it waiting two years to begin. There are more good reasons why politicians shouldn't perpetually stay in office than the excuse that they're so "popular" the public just couldn't survive without them. Besides, in order to win his recent (3rd) term, having sunk in popularity, Perry had to smear his opponents.

Posted by: didn't take long at September 30, 2011 11:34 AM (lpWVn)

354 Bhopal Coale (Greta's Hubby) is running the show for her...

Hm.

Posted by: didn't take long at September 30, 2011 11:35 AM (lpWVn)

355 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 11:43 AM (fyOgS)

356

I think we are all missing Sarah's real mission, to piss Ace off.

Who exactly is she hurting by her "tease" as you all call it?

No one.  Let her tease if it keeps the Fox checks coming.

Look at the carnage already in the campaign.   Pawlenty beaten in a useless  straw poll and immediately drops out six months before a real (sorta) vote is cast..  Bachmann crashing onto the deck of the USS Perry, killing herself and badly hurting Perry.  Perry flaming like a meteor but one that seems to be crashing, not soaring.  A nice old man who has to study every issue before he has an opinion seems to be the only Great White Hope (so to speak) standing to beat Romney who  is poison to 1/2 the party.  Leaving the current fad for a fat, gun grabbing, global warming believing, amnesty loving, Muslim appointing (half term) goverrnor.

She should wait out the clown show that we are seeing.

 

 

 

  

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 30, 2011 11:48 AM (ROFkf)

357

#357 Agree. I think this is a pathetic display of pure emotional "hate" towards Palin from our side. So much for thinking rather than emoting. Compare the length and the emotion towards Palin and Christie. I hope that the people who are pisted towards Palin are even more pisted @ Christie. He is definitely teasing us after emphatically saying no. He played above the fray while undermining our candidates. He is playing hard to get! Since everyone seems to want a pissing match, let 's have it then. I don't want to vote for Romney and Christie in the primary. Christie is now an establishment candidate for me. After what the Rep establishment has done to our candidates (compared to their treatment of Obama), I won't trust them anymore.

Posted by: LAI at September 30, 2011 12:26 PM (nLTW4)

358 Seriously: you're basically a bizarro___ DKos liberal.  You mistake "rage" and "heated invective" for being authentically conservative. 

But we don't.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 30, 2011 12:05 PM (kRtDX)

Quit using the word "serious" because that doesn't describe you at all.  You're just a pathetic ace suckup; no different from proudonkey other than being slightly less ignorant.  Plus you're a complete asshole that never convinces anybody of the validity of your jackoff position.  I think you have some grandiose image of yourself as a co-blogger which, if ace has any fucking sense he has a good laugh over; because all you do is rag on other posters here about how fucking brilliant you are, which is a complete crock.  If I thought I was the only person you tried to belittle I might think that maybe I'd erred in something or other.  But fuck that shit; you're just an ambulatory vagina on a perpetually windy beach.  If you had any introspective ability you'd see that; but you don't and have to have it pointed out for you.  You and curious would make a cute couple; for a serial killer.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 12:51 PM (OGZqf)

359 Finally, a Palin post by Ace with which I can agree! ;-)

Posted by: Jon at September 30, 2011 01:37 PM (VAOLm)

360 First, I have not read the post nor a single comment as of yet.

Second, I have become convinced that Governor Palin will continue to model her meteoric political career on Ronald Wilson Reagan. (I pray she escapes the clutches of the alzheimers)

I will not stoop to broad brush generalities. Nor am I going to ignore that the web did not exist in 1979.

Here's two facts for you to reflect on, if you're a mind.

First, Governor Sarah Palin is a diehard Reagan FAN.

Second, President Reagan announced his candidacy in November 1979.

Sorry to tell the nay sayers - it's really just that simple.

btw: I'll stick with Sarah!

Posted by: Blacksmith8✡ at September 30, 2011 01:48 PM (Q1qy3)

361 I'm done with Sarah. All this crap she's doin is like waiting for the hot cheerleader to call you back … to let you know if she wants to hang out on a Friday night … and it's now 5pm and she still hasn't called.

Posted by: Lucas at September 30, 2011 02:57 PM (JE52o)

362 Okay, now I have finally concluded that ACE is a bit of a ***. He writes..."She seems to be doing the same basic schtick she's been doing for three years."

WTF is with ACE? Is he telling us to ignore that she ran as the V/P for the Republican Party in 2008 and gave McCain at least some chance of winning? Is ACE asking us to ignore that she  gave the Tea Party a boost of legitimacy back in 2009 by speaking at that first convention when the jerk offs (ACE?) were laughing at it and downplaying it? Is ACE asking us to ignore that Sarah Palin has been going after Obama continuously since 2008 with more gusto than the pussies in the Party and Establishment that ACE loves so much and coined "death panels" which helped focus everyone to how bad Obamacare really was by making it a nationally recognized phrase? Is ACE asking us to ignore that Sarah Palin campaigned for and championed Conservative candidates and helped raise large amounts of money for Conservatives in the 2010 election cycle? (by the way, just how much money did ACE raise for the various races in 2010... I'll tell you ... essentially fk all.)

So, ACE....  promote your guy Perry. And watch him implode before 2012 and then we will watch you scramble to look for another GREAT Conservative candidate that you can champion for the Establishment. Maybe you can jump on the Christie bandwagon. Then we can look forward to another crap candidate for 2012 who will end up looking like all the other mediocre Republican candidates and who, if they manage to win, will give us the same crappy government that it has had for years. You and Erick Erickson are birds of a feather.... in the tank for the same old same old crap. Good luck with that. It suits both of you.

Posted by: PhilipJames at September 30, 2011 03:45 PM (G9AXq)

363 363 

Sweet talking points, bro.

Totally new ones, too.


I mean, I don't know why Ace gets annoyed when people avoid his points.  Must be because he's a dern ESTABLISHMENT!!! liker.

Posted by: Anony at September 30, 2011 04:37 PM (Yigvc)

364

#366, all ACE 's points apply equally to Christie. You are not happy with Palin, that 's fine. Christie is doing exactly the same thing. It is worse because he emphatically said no. Palin wants to keep it open for her. That 's her choice. The downside is that other people can move on to other candidates. However, it is ridiculous to be so upset about Palin, yet giving Christie a pass. We should dump on Christie even more.

 

Posted by: LAI at September 30, 2011 05:00 PM (iVem0)

365 You made a few good points there. I did a search on the matter and found a good number of people will agree with your blog.

Posted by: Helter Skelter AudioBook at September 30, 2011 05:38 PM (nUd+7)

366

63I wouldn't vote for her in a primary, but I'd unload on her.

 

Here's why the pricks are flaccid, go on your fucking vacation and stay there yanking your limp dick.  Fucking losers

Posted by: Ace's Ass is a Tribe full of shit at September 30, 2011 07:01 PM (FgWb7)

367

"If she does, I really, sincerely hope that almost none of her supporters continue following her into that Hell. That would be gift-wrapping the election for "Mr. Obama there," as he's sometimes called."

Obviously, with Cain rising, the base is not going for the moderate Democrat or the moderate Republican.

QED,  a third party run will crush the GOP with Romamba as the flag bearer.  NH, UT, ID, maybe NV and AZ with an outside shot at PA do not spell Electoral College victory.

Engorged adipose tissue is all Ace has.

Posted by: icepick at October 03, 2011 05:59 AM (o0Uno)

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