May 31, 2015

Overnight Open Thread (5-31-2015)
— Maetenloch

Quote of the Day I

Privilege is not the same thing as "entitlement." Entitlement means taking one's advantages in life for granted, as if they are part of the normal order of things, and not realizing where they came from or what made them possible. Which usually means frittering away all of those advantages by failing to take the initiative to accomplish anything of your own.

In fact, one of the most important advantages you can give your kids is a lack of entitlement, the ethos of knowing that he has to work for what he wants in life. One of the great secrets of the middle class strivers is that they realize lack of entitlement is a "privilege" that will give their children a leg up on the spoiled rich kids.

-- Robert Tracinski in Privilege Comes Dressed in Overalls and Looks Like Work

Quote of the Day II

Look, many have been angry at me because I refuse to be angry, bitter, or full of grievances, and some will be angry at you for not becoming agents in their most recent cynical causes. Don't worry about it. No monuments are ever built to cynics. Associate with people who add to your lives, not subtract; people you are comfortable introducing to the best people in your lives-your parents, your family, your friends, your mentors, your ministers.

-- Justice Clarence Thomas to the 2008 graduating class of the University of Georgia

Rand Paul: 'ISIS Exists Because of the Hawks in Our Party'

And so Rand manages to disqualify himself from the nomination nearly a year before the first vote is ever cast. This is from his Wednesday appearance on MSNBC's Morning Joe.

"I would say it's exactly the opposite. ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately, and most of those arms were snatched up by ISIS," said Paul. "These hawks also wanted to bomb Assad, which would have made ISIS's job even easier. They created these people."

Why is this disqualifying?

1. He's simply wrong. The US did not create ISIS. At worst you could point to certain opposition groups and their US-arranged arms falling under the control of ISIS but that is NOT creation in any sense. And whatever blame for the marginal impact this might have had on ISIS's strength falls on the Obama administration rather than the GOP members of congress that Rand disagrees with.

2. It's a revealing sign that Rand does buy into the world-view of his father - which has always been my concern about him. Here I'll note that his comment reveals a 'Blame America First' attitude that you'd expect to see coming from another party's candidate. This is also why when it comes to foreign foreign policy the Left and the Libertarian party's point of view are functionally equivalent. It's the narcissism of seeing America as first causes of everything bad in the world.

3. He handed a sound-bite weapon to the Democrats for no good reason. Part of being a qualified candidate is discipline and the ability to keep from being trolled by the media, the opposition, and even by your own self. Rand failed.

I've allowed Rand and his campaign a few days to 'correct' these statements or just admit he goofed and retract them but so far nothing. Plus you also have the fact that his PAC just released a Birther attack on Ted Cruz.

So I'm done with Rand Paul for president. That doesn't mean that there's not a place for him in the GOP and politics - but clearly that place should not be the White House.

Feminist Pundit: Why I Make Men Pay For Dates

Could it be because she accepts heteronormative  gender roles of courtship or perhaps just wants a man who can treat her nice? Nope - you see it's all a form of reparations for male privilege.

In other words, a man who pays for a date is merely compensating for society's imbalance and inequality. He is restoring equality. This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color.

I have a feeling that paying for dates would only be the first of many, many reparations that a boyfriend of Ms. Drayton would be on the hook for.

Connecticut Legislature Working on Bill to Control the Sexual Mating Sequence Among Young People

Amherst Sued for Expelling an Innocent Man Over Rape Claim

And with all the usual aspects - charges filed a year later, exculpatory texts ignored, no due process - that we've come to expect of campus witch hunts.

Hillary's Old Friend, Sid Vicious

I've heard it said that Blumenthal's legendary viciousness was a response to attacks against the Clintons during the 1990s - "the Clinton Wars," as he calls them - which featured some pretty wild conspiracy allegations against the First Couple. Don't believe it.

During the 1980s, Blumenthal became alarmed by the rise of conservatism as an intellectual-political movement. As a reporter for the Washington Post, he attacked those whom he viewed as in the vanguard of that movement, especially, it seemed, if they happened to be Jewish. Among his targets were Elliott Abrams (who, Blumenthal thought, didn't take John Lennon's death seriously enough), Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, and David Horowitz, who writes about Sid's viciousness here.

...Blumenthal's vehicle for attacking the Ledeens, and many other conservatives, was a lawsuit he filed against Matt Drudge, who had accused Sid of beating his wife (Drudge would retract the accusation). Blumenthal had his lawyer subpoena for deposition Michael and Barbara Ledeen and approximately two dozen other critics of the Clintons. He also subpoened the records of the Independent Women's Forum.

Blumenthal's purposes were two-fold. First, he wanted to harass the Clintons' critics. Second, he wanted to conduct a fishing expedition into "the vast right wing conspiracy" that he and Hillary had invented.

The fact that Hillary kept Blumenthal on the Clinton payroll all the way to the present tells you exactly what kind of person she is and what a Hillary presidency would be like.

sidvicious23

AR-15 Potato Cannon, Because, Why Not?

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Well I For One Welcome the New RoboWarg Overlords

California OSHA to Require Goggles on Porn Stars

Last week, California's Division of Occupational Safety and Health Standards (OSHA) proposed a new raft of safety standards for porn production sets in the state, raising ire and eyebrows in the process. The standards, which have yet to be finalized, fill 21 pages and detail a wide range of new safety protocols actors and their employers would have to abide by on set. Nestled among them is a provision about "eye protection." That's right, goggles. Goggles, to be worn by porn actors, in porn films.

Well I guess the goggle fetishists are gonna happy about this.

porngoggles34

The MacGyver Husband of the Year Award Goes to This Guy

Wife's engagement ring goes down a vent so what to do?

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Anheuser-Busch Cans Drinking Water for TX, OK Flood Victims

I remember the local Anheuser-Busch brewery doing this during the 1994 Northridge earthquake and having their supply trucks drive through the San Fernando valley handing out cans. In fact I actually got a couple when they came by where I was living at the time. Well it turns out that this is a long-standing tradition for the company.

This is not the first time Anheuser-Busch has come to the aid of disaster-affected areas. After Hurricane Sandy, the beer company produced a whopping 44,000 cases of water for victims.

According to an ABC News report, Anheuser-Busch has been mass producing drinking water for disaster relief since the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 and has donated over 70 million cans of water since 1988.

abwattercans

Weekly Commenter Standings

Top 10 commenters:
1 [448 comments] 'Vic  We Have No Party' [62.90 posts/day]
2 [444 comments] 'Mike Hammer, etc., etc.'
3 [347 comments] 'Thunderb'
4 [306 comments] 'Ricardo Kill'
5 [288 comments] 'SMFH at it all'
6 [273 comments] 'Nevergiveup'
7 [270 comments] 'rickb223 Straight, Conservative Clinger'
8 [262 comments] 'Lizzy'
9 [258 comments] 'Nip Sip'
10 [257 comments] 'Anna Puma (+SmuD)'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [52 names] 'Cicero (@cicero)' [7.30 unique names/day]
2 [44 names] 'Fa Cube Itches'
3 [40 names] 'I am become death, the destroyer of UNIX systems'
4 [39 names] 'Mike Hammer, etc., etc.'
5 [39 names] 'some random meathead'
6 [38 names] 'Prince Ludwig the Indestructible'
7 [37 names] 'Turd Ferguson'
8 [35 names] 'Count de Monet'
9 [35 names] 'Hollyweird'
10 [34 names] 'Ready For Hillary!!11!!'

The group. Banned on 12 universities.

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1 finally

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2015 06:18 PM (0O7c5)

2 Yes!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 06:18 PM (XrHO0)

3 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:19 PM (UVfht)

4 @1 Seriously, phoenixgirl!

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 06:19 PM (VJnHJ)

5 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=9181

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 31, 2015 06:19 PM (7YlUk)

6 you know who you are....where ever you are....you are loved and missed...good night

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2015 06:20 PM (0O7c5)

7 Howdy, y'all!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 06:20 PM (T1005)

8 I don't know about you, but I'm not wearing no goggles.

Posted by: Fareed Zakaria at May 31, 2015 06:21 PM (2AlPN)

9 Evening morons, how fares the horde? 4th night in a row of waging war with Darwin. Hoping to be able to hang out some. Ohio morons, don't forget the Amazon sales tax goes into effect at midnight, so stock up now!

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 06:22 PM (b2cFu)

10 A dry week of weather ahead predicted for SE Texas.  Whew!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 06:23 PM (JO9+V)

11 Hi all, time to take the garbage out.

Posted by: Farmer at May 31, 2015 06:23 PM (o/90i)

12 no gogles required here

Posted by: Madonna at May 31, 2015 06:24 PM (D0Tns)

13 Greetings fellow commenters.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:24 PM (VdVvm)

14 Hawks created ISIS. What astounding stupidity and profound ignorance of the Middle East.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 31, 2015 06:24 PM (08Znv)

15 FUN FACT: Spud cannons were first used against the Spaniards by the Incas. Unfortunately, getting pelted by potatoes didn't slow down Pizarro.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 31, 2015 06:26 PM (2AlPN)

16 Paying for dates? heh.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 31, 2015 06:26 PM (YEqE0)

17 *checks the wall of shame*

Damn.  It's been such a long time avoiding that.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 06:26 PM (JO9+V)

18 I fuck goggle to goggle all the time, It is hot in a weed wacker sort of way

Posted by: Madonna at May 31, 2015 06:26 PM (D0Tns)

19 Are you saying that it is not my purse, or that I do know you?
I'm afraid, sir, that we must disagree.

Posted by: Bobby at May 31, 2015 06:26 PM (DtNNC)

20 Saw Gutfeld's new show. Liked it. It was going for purposefully awkward comedy. Alternative comedy stuff. Some bits were funny, like closing Lou Dobbs bit. And, yeah, Rand was Rand. Ugh.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 31, 2015 06:27 PM (ZPrif)

21 California.  Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:27 PM (VdVvm)

22 Hey, cth, farmer, crank, hat, RK, MWNP, Blanco...

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 06:27 PM (mq0SJ)

23 Evening all.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 31, 2015 06:28 PM (Wo9OY)

24 In other words, a man who pays for a date is merely compensating for society's imbalance and inequality. He is restoring equality. This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color. *head ----->drywall* *head ----->drywall* *head ----->drywall* *head ----->drywall*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 31, 2015 06:29 PM (mmlFU)

25 Evening Chi and all.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 06:29 PM (XrHO0)

26 [Looks at flag] BWAAA-AAA-AAAAH!

Posted by: Hank Hill at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (7P0BI)

27 22 California. Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have. -------- In 20013 CA led the nation in creampie production,

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (2AlPN)

28 "cth, farmer, crank, hat, RK, MWNP, Blanco..."




Veritable list of usual suspects. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (VdVvm)

29 Gutfeld slipped in a Gay Shep joke in his Greg on Greg interview bit.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (ZPrif)

30 Shit. How the hell did I make the top ten?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (OsWis)

31 wait! the government is trying to contol porn? ??

Posted by: Madonna at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (D0Tns)

32 Finally, all is right with the world.  I can relax and let the alcohol make the day go away.

Posted by: irright at May 31, 2015 06:30 PM (DtNNC)

33 "In 20013 CA led the nation in creampie production,"

*snort*



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:31 PM (VdVvm)

34 (((chi)))

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:31 PM (OsWis)

35 In other words, a man who pays for a date is merely compensating for society's imbalance and inequality. He is restoring equality. This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color. All this is exactly what is wrong with identity politics. They view and judge people as members of some group rather than as individuals. Some women make more than many men. People's income tends to be based on: level of education or job training, years of experience, level of effort put into the career, hours worked per week, luck, people you know, affirmative action policies, having parents who own a business, personality. I know of people from prominent families who are failures. One guy in particular that I'm thinking of is white, has a law degree, and a father who was a U. S. congressman. He had difficulty making a decent living as a lawyer. I know another white male who had a father who was a high level General Motors executive. He also had a law degree, and ended up running for some low level political office because he couldn't earn a living as a lawyer.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:31 PM (d21//)

36 Hey to everyone else.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:31 PM (OsWis)

37 From the last post...
727 Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at May 31, 2015 11:15 PM (zauWW)

Thanks for that link.

He complains about American women. I think the complaint could be extended to all of Western society.


I'm reading some more of his posts. He REALLY hates American women.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 06:31 PM (AC0lD)

38 Finally, all is right with the world. I can relax and let the alcohol make the day go away.

I usually use the earth's rotation for that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:32 PM (UVfht)

39 In 20013 CA led the nation in creampie production, Posted by: Cicero **** And pearl necklace production.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 06:32 PM (F0Cog)

40 The quoted feminist just likes having someone else pay the bill, and uses feminist bullshit to justify it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:32 PM (d21//)

41 Shit. How the hell did I make the top ten? Posted by: SMFH ---------------------------- I'd blame it on Cap't Morgan...

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (/gGRS)

42 Best laff of the day from the comments:
 
John Kerry is reported to be in stable condition.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (CUfQt)

43 In other words, a man who pays for a date is merely compensating for society's imbalance and inequality. He is restoring equality. This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color. **** Well, sheesh. If only I had been given this kinda sage advice 25 years ago, I would have stayed with leasing rather than committing to buying a Cash Hoover.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (XrHO0)

44 The googles, they do nothing!!

Posted by: Peter North's Acting Partners at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (JO9+V)

45 I was iffy with GG's new show. I admit that some of the jokes were lost on me, inside baseball stuff.

Posted by: logprof at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (hdy+0)

46 "How the hell did I make the top ten?"



Pregnant hands?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:33 PM (VdVvm)

47 heh chi... Besides that.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:34 PM (OsWis)

48 I usually use the earth's rotation for that.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 11:32 PM
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Luddite.

Posted by: irright at May 31, 2015 06:34 PM (DtNNC)

49 I was in serious need of a pep talk and those quotes helped a lot. Thank, Maet.

Posted by: Retread at May 31, 2015 06:34 PM (WfHs6)

50 Rand Paul: 'ISIS Exists Because of the Hawks in Our Party' That's...backward. We decided not to do anything about the Baathist dictator in Syria, even when he was working with the Jihadis fighting us in Iraq. But it turns out that Islam eventually tires of fascism and an Islamist insurgency he couldn't quell popped up. In Syria. The country we did not attack. Hell, one can make a pretty strong argument that had we not toppled Saddam that ISIS would control much more of Iraq now as well... But either way it is specifically because we played no significant role in Syria that ISIS is doing so well. Had Obama decided to side with Assad, likely he could have gotten significant concessions out of him. And if Obama had sided with no Jihadi resistance groups in a meaningful way we'd likely see those groups running most of the country. But instead Obama did what various isolationists said we should do...and he, and everyone else, are paying the price.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 06:35 PM (5LOno)

51 Could it be because she accepts heteronormative gender roles of courtship or perhaps just wants a man who can treat her nice? Nope - you see it's all a form of reparations for male privilege. So we know she's a dirty, dirty whore, it's just a matter of agreeing on price.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2015 06:35 PM (ynQIy)

52 41 The quoted feminist just likes having someone else pay the bill, and uses feminist bullshit to justify it.
Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 11:32 PM (d21//)


But but but she's got a political theory that justifies why someone else should pay for everything. Which is totally different from just being cheapskate. Because the theory.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 31, 2015 06:35 PM (wqVD1)

53 Someone is gonna end paying for the date. 6-pack miller lite and fishing worms are NOT free!

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at May 31, 2015 06:35 PM (YEqE0)

54 In 20013 CA led the nation in creampie production, I'll have to jump in the TARDIS and check it out.

Posted by: The Doctor drinking Budwater in a car named Brad at May 31, 2015 06:35 PM (W5DcG)

55 Amherst Sued for Expelling an Innocent Man Over Rape Claim And with all the usual aspects - charges filed a year later, exculpatory texts ignored, no due process - that we've come to expect of campus witch hunts. In this day of instant messaging, email, and Twitter, any guy who screws a woman should save the Tweets he gets from her in case he dumps her and she gets all bitchy and decides to revenge charge him with rape.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:36 PM (d21//)

56 Dammit, the Boondoggie (new nickname) is going nucking futs! I'm afraid he'll jump through the screen in a minute - guess I need to patrol for a minute...

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 06:36 PM (RhmeP)

57 Anyone want to bet that Billy Jeff wants to be appointed the Porn Czar?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper in the OBX at May 31, 2015 06:36 PM (+Fae7)

58 I have a feeling that paying for dates would only be the first of many, many social reparations that a boyfriend of Ms. Drayton would be on the hook for. All this does is reinforce some of the reasons why I quit dating. With bitches like this out and about, it just isn't worth the time or money.

Posted by: Bill H at May 31, 2015 06:36 PM (Baojj)

59 Well, sheesh. If only I had been given this kinda sage advice 25 years ago, I would have stayed with leasing rather than committing to buying a Cash Hoover. Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 11:33 PM (XrHO0) If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2015 06:37 PM (ynQIy)

60

Maet, it's far wider and worse than just self-hating narcissism (in fact, with the Paul sorts, that's not really the primary element, I'd guess).  It's just an ignorant and simplistic mostly fact-free "understanding" of the world in which everything happens or doesn't happen because the US does/doesn't do something.

 

The wider/worse mindset and incomprehension I refer to afflicts, probably, a bulk of the country, to include people on the "right" (whatever that's supposed to mean).  It's part of being an unserious country. 

 

"We created the Taliban!".  WTF?  No we didn't. 

 

"We armed Saddam!"  WTF?  No we didn't.  Unless somewhere in the US they used to make Soviet, Chinese, and Brazilian armor and South African artillery and French combat aircraft and Italian corvettes and Swedish civil defense projects and Egyptian-production AKs and on and on.  In which case I want to know where the surplus and "seconds" are so I can buy some.

 

And on and on and on.  Always a simplistic and usually completely baseless assumption that the US wsa the cause of something/nothing/everything.

 

The US is not an unserious country only, or even primarily, because it has (twice) elected an absurdly unfit and even bizarrely alien person to the presidency - surrounded by unfit and alien creatures to boot.  It is unserious because it's institutions, and its citizens (as a whole) are unserious.

 

Maet, don't forget the jaw-droppingly pathetic responses of the other '16 hopefuls to the stupid Iraq counter-factual gotcha.  Both that any of them would be stupid/cynical enough to do this, and that there may be a solid tactical reason for doing so in terms of appealing to the dumbed-down conventional wisdom, confirms we are in very poor shape, regardless of the passing political personalities du jour.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (QDnY+)

61 Evening horde. Shit. I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (XAFOu)

62 hi all
how's it hangin'

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (2XMpf)

63 For strong, independent women these feminists sure are helpless.

Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (tO0wb)

64 If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2015 11:37 PM (ynQIy) Or eats.

Posted by: Retread at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (WfHs6)

65 Then after the fake rape charge he needs to go straight to a lawyer whose first move is to threaten the Womyn's Studies Hag whose campus job is to assume that all men are rapists, and start lawsuit proceedings.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:38 PM (d21//)

66 ". I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't." Uh oh, personal experience?

Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (tO0wb)

67 58 Anyone want to bet that Billy Jeff wants to be appointed the Porn Czar? Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper in the OBX at May 31, 2015 11:36 PM
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He would have shot for porn-star if it wasn't for the cocked cock.

Posted by: irright at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (DtNNC)

68 Nobody in DC had a strategy for ISIS after Obama and the CAPidiots used the SOFA as an excuse to bail from Iraq. The only folks with enough power to stop ISIS now are in Ankara, and I don't see them doing it.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (ztOda)

69 "If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it."


Word.  The maintenance is off the hook. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (VdVvm)

70 31 Shit.
How the hell did I make the top ten?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 11:30 PM (OsWis)


Social promotion?

Posted by: BignJames at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (j7iSn)

71 44 In other words, a man who pays for a date is merely compensating for society's imbalance and inequality. He is restoring equality. This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color. **** Well, sheesh. If only I had been given this kinda sage advice 25 years ago, I would have stayed with leasing rather than committing to buying a Cash Hoover. Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 11:33 PM (XrHO0) Feminist!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 06:39 PM (T1005)

72 67 ". I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't." Uh oh, personal experience? Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2015 11:39 PM (tO0wb) Yep. And it sucks.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:40 PM (XAFOu)

73 22 California. Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 11:27 PM (VdVvm) Cum on down!

Posted by: Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce at May 31, 2015 06:40 PM (ynQIy)

74 Rand Paul is still my second choice after Scott Walker. Conservatives who are getting their panties in a wad over his statements need to get a grip.

Posted by: rickl at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (sdi6R)

75 Feminist Pundit: Why I Make Men Pay For Dates *** Feminism has become whatever is advantageous for a feminist at that particular moment. It is a parody of how liberal fiction portrays say Christianity or capitalism. Oh, and it bares repeating, there is no gender gap. If you control for job type and experience, women and men earn the same amount.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (5LOno)

76 Shit. I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't.

Are light sockets OK?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (UVfht)

77 But I put myself in this situation. Fucking empathy.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (XAFOu)

78 ". I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't. you know you would get nekked with

Posted by: Madonna at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (D0Tns)

79 DARPA can give me a call when those robots can eat turkey poo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2015 06:41 PM (9mTYi)

80 Hmmm, I always considered that my picking up the tab was just showing appreciation for the last fucking. Glad she taught me it was a complicated thought process based on statistical earnings.

Posted by: JD at May 31, 2015 06:42 PM (TzeLs)

81 78 Shit. I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't. Are light sockets OK? Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 11:41 PM (UVfht) Light sockets? Go straight to the source. Transformers are where it's at.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:42 PM (XAFOu)

82 "Cum on down!"

Vegas, AZ, Florida.  I read an article about this a while back.  Of course, by accident. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (VdVvm)

83 Is Feminist Pundit expecting us to pay for her cat food, batteries and sybian replacements throughout her old age?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (AC0lD)

84 Ira, what are we trying to say?

Posted by: Kindltot at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (t//F+)

85 Shit. I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't. Are light sockets OK? Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 11:41 PM (UVfht) And my toaster? From my cold, dead hands, sport.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (ynQIy)

86 We have always been at War with Islam.

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (IrH2i)

87 I could've voted for Rand Paul. This is the first attack on him that really drew blood, in my opinion. Islam created ISIS. I can not vote for a Republican who thinks like a Democrat.

Posted by: Old Hob at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (FFIoe)

88 Hey, cth, farmer, crank, hat, RK, MWNP, Blanco... Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 11:27 PM Be well all, I had a long day at work. If I wake up I'd like to see you later on the ONT. I'm old and tired. Our pup got me up at 6 am. Be well, puppies.

Posted by: Farmer at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (o/90i)

89 California's snowpack is at 0% now. They are boned.

Posted by: Retread at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (WfHs6)

90 Light sockets? Go straight to the source. Transformers are where it's at.

Must be air core, not a lot of room in iron core.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:43 PM (UVfht)

91 On Rand Paul... Yes the GOP Hawks were involved in shipping Arms from Libya, to Syria... they were IN ON IT... which is why they will not INVESTIGATE why the CIA was in Benghazi in the first place... So, yes.... we did help arm ISIS... he is correct. And the GOP Leadership KNEW what the Obama Admin was doing... I am not a Rand Paul Supporter... but on this one? IMO he is correct.... the GOP Hawks were accomplices to creating the Free Fire Zone that Syria became...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 06:44 PM (qh617)

92 "We armed Saddam!" WTF? No we didn't *** Yeah, but what is really funny, is that I seem to remember a significant scandal because we were arming Saddam's enemy, Iran, during the Iran-Iraq war. The left at the time generally supported Saddam as they hadn't fallen in love with Islam yet...

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 06:44 PM (5LOno)

93 61 Maet, it's far wider and worse than just self-hating narcissism (in fact, with the Paul sorts, that's not really the primary element, I'd guess). It's just an ignorant and simplistic mostly fact-free "understanding" of the world in which everything happens or doesn't happen because the US does/doesn't do something.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 11:38 PM (QDnY+)


Agreed. But then to fully delve into it would have been a complete post in itself. I'll just point out that there's a deep racist assumption operating here that the wogs in Foreignestan don't really have free agency and couldn't possibly have their own motivations beyond the ken and influence of the US. So it must be America that caused them to do the bad things.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 31, 2015 06:45 PM (wqVD1)

94 Maet, as always wonderful ONT. Particularly brilliant King of the Hill reference. Also, I love Clarence Thomas. My father got me his book for Christmas one year after I raved about him after I listened to a Hugh Hewitt show where he had the aforementioned Justice on for the full three hours. If you've never read "My Grandfathers Son" do so now. It is amazingly easy, quick read. I read over half of it in a day and a half. Finished it by the next week.

Posted by: thathalfrican at May 31, 2015 06:45 PM (R5HRU)

95 "Are light sockets OK?"


Watched an episode of TPB today where Ricky pissed through an electrified fence.  Not okay it seems. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:45 PM (VdVvm)

96 91 California's snowpack is at 0% now. They are boned. Posted by: Retread at May 31, 2015 11:43 PM (WfHs6) Yet.... was in Yosemite Valley this week... and the Falls are gorgeous... was out at the Merced river earlier this week... pretty full... And was at the Stanislaus River today (Knights Ferry) and its running pretty high...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 06:46 PM (qh617)

97 Whatever happened to a good ol'fashion Canteloupe?

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 06:46 PM (IrH2i)

98 43 Best laff of the day from the comments: John Kerry is reported to be in stable condition. Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 11:33 PM (CUfQt) Didn't he just fall off a bike and break a leg? Oh, wait. They shoot horses for broken legs.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:46 PM (d21//)

99 You know, I think an enterprising moron could make some bucks by developing a web app for when two people go out on a date, it would calculate the privilege imbalance between two people to determine what proportion of the check that each should pay.  Something like

Asian male Buddhist heterosexual dates White female Christian heterosexual
Man pays 68%, Woman pays 32%

Mexican male Catholic homosexual dates Black male Muslim homosexual
Man #1 pays 55%, Man #2 pays 45% (because Catholic church is all repressive)

White male Christian heterosexual dates Black female Atheist bi-sexual:
Man pays 100%, Woman pays 0%

something like that

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 06:46 PM (2XMpf)

100 I'll preface this with the fact I don't follow the current industry, but If CA porn goes underground, it stands to reason that a renaissance could result from the alleviation of commercial pressure.

Posted by: derit at May 31, 2015 06:46 PM (jT+gh)

101 not a web app, a phone app, whatevs

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 06:47 PM (2XMpf)

102 California's snowpack is at 0% now.

They are boned.


Can't wait for them to sue AZ and others for more Colorado river water.

Clue:  CA's been taking more than their allotment for years.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:47 PM (UVfht)

103 Hasta, Farmer.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:47 PM (VdVvm)

104 My go to first date is Mini Golf.  Then dessert at a restaurant  or  maybe half-priced shakes at Sonic after 8 pm.  The Mini Golf gets 'em.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 06:47 PM (JO9+V)

105 Joe Jackass: ... ISIS exists because of people like Rand Paul, { who } say let's not go into Syria. Rand: ""I would say it's exactly the opposite. ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately, and most of those arms were snatched up by ISIS," said Paul. "These hawks also wanted to bomb Assad, which would have made ISIS's job even easier. They created these people."" The last sentence is stupidity on stilts, no doubt, but the rest of his reply to Joe's charge is hard to deny. The hawks and some Dem-dems wanted to arm groups that could not be vetted even given a million man-hours. Those groups that weren't sympathetic to jihadi fundamentalists, that became ISIS, got eaten alive. Trying to play footsie with random jihadi assholes in the mid-east without an all-out commitment to total war is folly.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 06:47 PM (uctT+)

106 Does this mean all the porn studios will be going South of the Border for their filming now?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at May 31, 2015 06:48 PM (+Fae7)

107 78 Shit. I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't. Are light sockets OK? Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 11:41 PM (UVfht) Vacuum cleaners? Er, asking for a friend....

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 06:48 PM (T1005)

108 Rond Paul: "Our hate has made them stronger!" I'm trying to think of what movie this is from, but it isn't Ferngully.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 31, 2015 06:48 PM (+4uXG)

109

18-1 and Jean, well said.

 

Once Iraq had been abandoned, it was improbable that the US would have ready and effective responses to ISIS.  Though, actually, even with everything being as it is, we could have had much more military impact by this point - and the Iraqis have been pretty receptive to anything that we seem to really want to do.  If the US were a serious country and had a government.

 

With that, off to reloading study and perhaps some stupid TV (gotta hit my 2 hour weekly quota).

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (QDnY+)

110 >>John Kerry is reported to be in stable condition. And soon to be shipped off to the glue factory.

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (IrH2i)

111 I thought porn was all about relieving pressure.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (ztOda)

112 Thirty-four degree negative swing in temperature in 24 hours. Must be that damned global warmening.

Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (Dwehj)

113  "I really got nothing. Except don't stick your dick in crazy. Don't." ---------------------------- I've said it a hundred times - sticking it in crazy is perfectly acceptable, and can be a lot of fun. but, Never let crazy know where you live. Or your real name.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (JXTsy)

114 94 "We armed Saddam!" WTF? No we didn't *** Yeah, but what is really funny, is that I seem to remember a significant scandal because we were arming Saddam's enemy, Iran, during the Iran-Iraq war. The left at the time generally supported Saddam as they hadn't fallen in love with Islam yet... Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 11:44 PM (5LOno) Yeah. How about we stop arming Muslims for a change? But I guess that makes me a "Paulbot".

Posted by: rickl at May 31, 2015 06:49 PM (sdi6R)

115 Speaking of... WHEEEEEEE~! Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million at thegatewaypundit.com

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 06:50 PM (uctT+)

116 Its the same sort of hubris that demands that mankind be able to stop all floods and all droughts and control the climate. It's hubris to assume that the United States is able to control and be responsible for the actions of every other state and non state actor on the planet, as though they don't get a vote through their own action. Crazy narcissism

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 06:50 PM (zOTsN)

117 I wonder if Ms. Feminist thinks it is okay for a male to hold the door open for her, or to seat her, or to carry heavy things when out shopping or moving...
 
I'd love to hear her rationales for those too. Also, shouldn't they compare paychecks before settling the bill?
 
Also, I'm guessing her making me pancakes the next morning is totes out of the question.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 06:50 PM (CUfQt)

118 "Can't wait for them to sue AZ and others for more Colorado river water." Didn't Colorado pass legislation telling everyone else to go screw themselves?

Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2015 06:50 PM (tO0wb)

119 "They are boned."


In a lot of ways.  Politically.  Weather.   A heaven on this Earth is turning into a disaster.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:51 PM (VdVvm)

120 "Yet.... was in Yosemite Valley this week... and the Falls are gorgeous... " Get in mah belly!

Posted by: Delta Smelt at May 31, 2015 06:51 PM (YEqE0)

121 After the big Coalinga earthquake, a beer truck was parked at the Mormon church, giving away water. Because that's where food was being given away.

Posted by: KT bar the door at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (qahv/)

122 ...and *cough* US-Trained Tajik Special Forces Chief Joins ISIS - Promises to Bring Jihad to America JPost via thegatewaypundit.com

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (uctT+)

123 Vacuum cleaners? Er, asking for a friend....

My younger brother, Pinche Basura, had a classmate in Jr. High  (Middle School) that had the unfortunate nickname of "Hoover".  It had everything to do with you question.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (UVfht)

124 In a lot of ways. Politically. Weather. A heaven on this Earth is turning into a disaster. Posted by: Ricardo Kill **** Never put lunatics in charge of heaven. They will always turn it into hell.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (F0Cog)

125 "My go to first date is Mini Golf. Then dessert at a restaurant or maybe half-priced shakes at Sonic after 8 pm. The Mini Golf gets 'em."


Dude.  Romantic as Hell. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (VdVvm)

126 Jean's ISIS strategy: Give Turkey a wing of F-35s to take them out, before or after a coup. Preferably after.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (ztOda)

127 >>Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million What is with Obama giving all his buddies Car Dealerships?

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 06:52 PM (IrH2i)

128 "This is especially true in dating White or Asian men who - statistically speaking - has a weekly median income of nearly 2-3 times that of women of color." Men... "has". Fuckin' grammar. How does it work?

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 06:53 PM (noWW6)

129 124 ...and *cough* US-Trained Tajik Special Forces Chief Joins ISIS - Promises to Bring Jihad to America JPost via thegatewaypundit.com Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 31, 2015 11:52 PM (uctT+) Bet he's got an autographed picture of John MCCain and him.... /facepalm

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 06:53 PM (qh617)

130 Stream of Spasmodic Consciousness I hasn't read the content (yent) I hasn't read the comments (yent) I hasn't put periods at the ends of these sentences I hasn't got a clue I has nevertheless gotta lotta respek for Maetswork I has ne'erdowell read awholelottsa AoS comments you betchum red ryder I has been defying conventional sentence paragraphization and punctuation because art beeches I tells ya If I can't has a clue, can I has a hand‽ You'd like a helping hand. You'd settle for a clue. You get Lucy snatching the football away. leeeerrrrrkkkkkkkkk

Posted by: mediocre websurfer at May 31, 2015 06:53 PM (ACs58)

131 Do they have to wear goggles all the time, or just for certain scenes when certain fluids might, ahem, come into contact with the face?

Posted by: May de Fleur at May 31, 2015 06:53 PM (XrHO0)

132 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date
any other thoughts?
umm asking for a friend

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 06:53 PM (2XMpf)

133 I've said it a hundred times - sticking it in crazy is perfectly acceptable, and can be a lot of fun. but, Never let crazy know where you live. Or your real name. Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 11:49 PM (JXTsy) Knows all of that and met the folks. It's not that she is psycho stalker....just she has zero memory of me. PTSD can be a bitch.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:54 PM (XAFOu)

134 Didn't Colorado pass legislation telling everyone else to go screw themselves?

They're still, as far as I know, part of a seven state compact that sets who gets what from the river.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at May 31, 2015 06:54 PM (UVfht)

135 With his broken femur Kerry will be put the rest of the JEF's term. The interim guy is the child of holocaust survivors. They'll get rid of him, although he is a reliable prog.

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 06:54 PM (zOTsN)

136 128 Jean's ISIS strategy: Give Turkey a wing of F-35s to take them out, before or after a coup. Preferably after. Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 11:52 PM (ztOda) Give Turkey First Line Fighters???? Uh... have you been paying attention to what's been going on in Turkey?

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 06:54 PM (qh617)

137 I sometimes ply them with liquor, you know, because they earn less and stuff.

Posted by: JD at May 31, 2015 06:54 PM (TzeLs)

138 The googles, they do nothing!! Posted by: Peter North's Acting Partners at May 31, 2015 11:33 PM (JO9+V) I know, right?

Posted by: chick in the machine shop across the alley at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (0bXhD)

139 "What were you arrested for, kid?" I asked. "Not wearing googles in a porn film," he said.

Posted by: paisleyhautmeister at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (q/aTs)

140 "This is not the first time Anheuser-Busch has come to the aid of disaster-affected areas. After Hurricane Sandy, the beer company produced a whopping 44,000 cases of water for victims." Compared to the normal Anheuser-Busch practice of producing water for customers.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (noWW6)

141 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date

It certainly is!

Posted by: Spinster in an attic at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (Dwehj)

142 Speaking of... WHEEEEEEE~!

Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million
at thegatewaypundit.com


>>>


C'mon  and hurry down to Crazy Mo's Humvee Emporium!   Achmed the Sales Manager says   everything must  go during our  Red Tag Event.   We are stacking them deep and selling them cheap!  Shop the rest then come bring your best deal to Crazy Mo's and if we can't beat that deal by at least $200  then we will kill an infidel for you.   Hurry in for the  best selection!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (JO9+V)

143 So, if you are a White or Asian guy going out, reduce your date budget by 1/3 to 2/3. Because feminism and equality. Cool. Got it. ,

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (XrHO0)

144 134 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date any other thoughts? umm asking for a friend Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 11:53 PM (2XMpf) Anywhere where you're active. Mini golf, arcade, Dave and busters.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2015 06:55 PM (XAFOu)

145 That woman who thinks men should pay for dates because they "owe" it to society, probably doesn't get a lot of dates. And heaven help the ignorant fellow who tries to take her out. If he has bothered to find out about her, and read her schtick, and STILL asked her out, he deserves her derision. My husband took me shooting M-16's in the Kuwaiti desert for our first date. On full auto. He brought the ammo, I made fried chicken and potato salad, and chocolate chip cookies. I thought it was a pretty fair split. And an awesome date.

Posted by: Moki at May 31, 2015 06:56 PM (x303I)

146 California. Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 11:27 PM (VdVvm)



They will just drive the industry to Vegas, or Phoenix, or Florida. It's not like they use elaborate sets, or heavy-duty camera setups.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2015 06:56 PM (mwzXN)

147 HOO BREEZE?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at May 31, 2015 06:56 PM (W5DcG)

148 >>Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million holy. shit.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (OsWis)

149 "The googles, they do nothing!!" Well, actually, the Google do do something for us. A lot of something. As long as we promise to turn a blind eye to the complicated tax avoidance schemes used by Google corporate, and by Google's top executives.

Posted by: Obama For America at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (noWW6)

150 "heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date
any other thoughts?"



Chucky Cheese?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (VdVvm)

151 After reading Feminist Pundit, I can understand why the writer at the returnofkings blog someone linked to in the other thread LOATHES American women. The guy seriously hates them, but I think he could probably branch out to most Western women.



I'm not nearly as well traveled as most of you here, but I've at least been to Korea and met women who were feminine, girly, polite and sweet - and you can get used to that really fast.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (AC0lD)

152 Oh, and it bares repeating, there is no gender gap. If you control for job type and experience, women and men earn the same amount. Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 11:41 PM (5LOno) I've worked with women who, due to being moms, worked fewer hours per week, missed work days due to kids' illnesses, took time off from their careers for childbirth, picked careers that everyone knows pay less. There's nothing wrong with any of this. I understand that a woman with a child in daycare, can't work until 6:30 in the evening, and must stay home when the kids has flu, and Lord knows, has to take time off for childbirth. But the fact is, these things affect where you go in your career. And a lot of women go into teaching so they'll be off for the summer with their kids. There's no nasty little conspiracy afoot to keep women in poverty.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (d21//)

153 Rhomboid, you are stupid. We , in fact, did create the Taliban. Why can't you pick up a history book? You sure are one daft neocon. So, the US wasn't arming those precursors in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded? Keep ignoring reality. We,in fact, did arm Saddam and help him with intelligence during the Iran-Iraq war. Your memory is even worse than Obama's. This is why this country is failing, it allows idiots such as yourself, who are quite petty, daft, and just plain retarded to vote. The only unserious person here is you. You fail at history. Things the US has done you sweep under the rug as "Wang they blame Americas for everything." Please learn to read. We are not blaming America for everything. No one is blaming America for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan but we can sure say America funded those in Afghanistan during that time who were fighting the Soviets.

Posted by: filthyferd at May 31, 2015 06:57 PM (ARQtW)

154 SMFH, you were almost single-handedly keeping the thread off life support last night. That can pad the post numbers in a hurry.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (b2cFu)

155 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date any other thoughts? Blind date? What would you both enjoy? I had a bad date cancelled by enjoying the first run of "Wedding Crashers" in the theater to end the night

Posted by: derit at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (jT+gh)

156 Rond Paul: "I was all for going after 9/11 to go after bin Laden." I could look this up, but I don't even find it plausible. Politicians against war on 9/11 reminded us that they voted for Desert Storm, whether it was true or not. When they voted against Desert Storm they told us they supported Vietnam, whether it was true or not. This short-hand of "I'm not a pacifist" is a mental shell game.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (+4uXG)

157 BB, front line fighters are absolute whores for unique spare parts that nobody else has. They are Uncle Sam's leash.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (ztOda)

158 Our first date was eating hot dogs on the golf course at Incirlik air base which was where they put the patriot missile batteries. We sat on a bench and watched them. They looked like train cars on their ends and they sort of swiveled a bit from time to time

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (zOTsN)

159 Does this mean all the porn studios will be going South of the Border for their filming now? I think a bunch moved to IIRC Colorado after the first round of "must wear condom" laws/regulations. Alot more might go unless they're too addicted to CA mansions as sites.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at May 31, 2015 06:58 PM (kivUY)

160 Knows all of that and met the folks. It's not that she is psycho stalker....just she has zero memory of me. PTSD can be a bitch. Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA **** Good lord, what did you do to her? /

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 06:59 PM (F0Cog)

161 And I said F-35 Aardvark IIs, nothing actually effective.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 06:59 PM (ztOda)

162 CC, Which would explain the raging hangover I had for half the day.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 06:59 PM (OsWis)

163 146 134 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date any other thoughts? umm asking for a friend Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 11:53 PM (2XMpf) Hey everyone! We're all gonna get laid!

Posted by: Zombie Rodney Dangerfield at May 31, 2015 07:00 PM (YEqE0)

164 144 Speaking of... WHEEEEEEE~! Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million at thegatewaypundit.com Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 11:55 PM (JO9+V) Yeah, any idea that America is arming ISIS is totes insane, you know.

Posted by: rickl at May 31, 2015 07:00 PM (sdi6R)

165
   Good evening, good people.

  We seem to have segued right into fall here, temps are in the low 50's and  the wind is cutting like a razor.

 This after 2 days ago when it was 83 and humid with NO breeze.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 31, 2015 07:00 PM (jeCnD)

166 We , in fact, did create the Taliban.

my favorite part was when Brian Dennehy played the Taliban

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 07:00 PM (2XMpf)

167 She still talks about the mini golf first date after 3 years.  And we've been back to play.  It's  different and memorable and she can't wait to tell her friends all about it.  Avoid the dinner and a movie first date.  Make a bet that a hole-in-one earns you a  kiss.   Then sink that sucker and make her pay up.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 07:01 PM (JO9+V)

168 161- that is cool. And Incirlik is a nice base.

Posted by: Moki at May 31, 2015 07:01 PM (x303I)

169 And I said F-35 Aardvark IIs, nothing actually effective.
Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 11:59 PM (ztOda)


Did anyone realize that Aardvark is cape Dutch for "earth pig"?

Not auspicious.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 31, 2015 07:01 PM (t//F+)

170 @144 -- First 100 customers get a free prayer rug already loaded in the back!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 07:01 PM (T1005)

171 "my favorite part was when Brian Dennehy played the Taliban"


Do you think we can talk him into eating the Taliban?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:02 PM (VdVvm)

172 108 Does this mean all the porn studios will be going South of the Border for their filming now?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at May 31, 2015 11:48 PM (+Fae7)



Goggles? We don't need no stinking goggles!

Posted by: Gold Hat at May 31, 2015 07:02 PM (uGrec)

173 ISIS has found a great use for all those Humvees -- The are using them as car bombs. Pack 'em full of explosives, load in a suicide driver (they have a waiting list), plus a dead man switch and you're set to go. The things are immune to small arms fire; you need a anti-tank weapon to stop them.
 
Pretty ingenious, actually. Adapt, improvise, overcome.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 07:02 PM (CUfQt)

174 160 BB, front line fighters are absolute whores for unique spare parts that nobody else has. They are Uncle Sam's leash. Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 11:58 PM (ztOda) History lesson... do you know why the US Navy Retired the F-14 when we did??? and destroyed all we had??? Because we wanted to be sure IRAN, who we had previously sold some to, did not get spare parts. The F-35 program is too large, and too multinational, to do that... Arming the Moslem world with First Tier weapons... is just not a good Idea IMO... ESPECIALLY when they don't need first tier weapons to run an effective air campaign....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:03 PM (qh617)

175 The Learning Tree is a good first date. Maybe swing by the Ball Pit before heading over to the Food Court...

Posted by: Roman Polanski at May 31, 2015 07:03 PM (IrH2i)

176 >>>Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million<<<



Global warming is responsible for many young, impressionable men, with no other alternatives, in the Middle East turning to terrorism.

Especially now they are driving around in these gas guzzling, high emission, SUVs!!!elevnty!!!

Posted by: Mohammedan apologists at May 31, 2015 07:03 PM (b3v0W)

177 Hawks beat Ducks. Create ISIS. sand hockey ?

Posted by: seamrog at May 31, 2015 07:04 PM (b4Krx)

178 " It's not like they use elaborate sets, or heavy-duty camera setups."


No they don't.  Easy and cheap to do.  Just like water, it will find the course of least resistance. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:04 PM (VdVvm)

179 Does this mean all the porn studios will be going South of the Border for their filming now?

There is something about the term "Mexican porn" that makes me want to whimper and crawl away.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 31, 2015 07:04 PM (t//F+)

180 I'm still looking forward to a date with a certain lady who will take ME to the range to shoot fully automatic weaponry. Even if it can't be live ammo... I have no preconceived notions of who pays, who wears the pants (as long as nobody wears pants eventually), or who wins the putt-putt match.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 07:05 PM (JXTsy)

181 Filthy feed you are stupid and an armchair quarterback By arming the afghans we were supposed to know that a rich Saudi psycho would knock down the twin towers several years later. Well you are a regular fucking Nostradamus! We can play this game all night long Who armed ISIS? Why obama did in Libya. Who taught bin laden about our weakness? Well that was clinton in Somalia. You have such vision, tell us, what would you have done? But start at the beginning. The marine barracks bombing in Lebanon. Hell, let's go back farther. Let's go to the founding of Israel. Let's unturn every stone to determine why they hate us and how its our fault. I will wait

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:05 PM (zOTsN)

182 Along with those humvees are the crew-served weapons. .50s. 240s SAWs.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 07:05 PM (OsWis)

183 Just wanna reaffirm the basic truths: - Mary Ann - 1911 - 870 - longbow G'night all .... *flings empty rum bottle into the middle distance* *doesn't break* *lights a cig and walks on down the hall*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 31, 2015 07:05 PM (OCcU9)

184 "US-Trained Tajik Special Forces Chief Joins ISIS" Just a reminder here that back in the 1990s, that supergenius Bill Clinton decreed that Mexican soldiers be brought north to the States, and given the full measure of deeply classified Pentagon special operations tradecraft, so that they could help Mexico's government wipe out the narcotics cartels. Instead, as soon as the expensively trained spec-ops Mexicans got back home south of the border, they defected from the government, and formed their own brutal new narcotraficante cartel, Los Zetas. Who are a lethal source of trouble to this day. Everything old is new again.

Posted by: Obama For America at May 31, 2015 07:05 PM (noWW6)

185 The Taliban were a bit player in the Anti-Soviet forces, it was well afterwards that they picked up with the ISI and became a force I traveled all over Iraq doing demil, my spreadsheets included country of origin. The US stuff was less than a page and dated to the Korean war. If we were arming Saddam, it was with other people's crap.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:06 PM (ztOda)

186 I told Reggie, on our first date, thatbif I get a Gole in One on the Windmill Hole I at least want anal.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 31, 2015 07:06 PM (IrH2i)

187 ISIS has found a great use for all those Humvees -- The are using them as car bombs. Pack 'em full of explosives, load in a suicide driver (they have a waiting list), plus a dead man switch and you're set to go. The things are immune to small arms fire; you need a anti-tank weapon to stop them.

Pretty ingenious, actually. Adapt, improvise, overcome.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 01, 2015 12:02 AM (CUfQt)



I teach Soldiers as part of a counter-IED program.  People keep insisting that IEDs are no longer an issue, and we have to keep pointing to crap like this why they're wrong.  Even in a conventional fight, hitting the enemy front lines with a VBIED to clear obstacles and cause casualties before your main forces attack is effective.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 31, 2015 07:06 PM (10ydV)

188 117 Speaking of... WHEEEEEEE~! Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million at thegatewaypundit.com Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 31, 2015 11:50 PM (uctT+) I hope that ISIS disposes of those global warming machines in an environmentally friendly manner.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (+Fae7)

189 "Iraq Lost 2,300 Humvees in Mosul to ISIS - Worth $579 Million"


And it's all a put-on, a show.  Baghdad will fall.  It's gonna get  worse before.....well, probably will never get better. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (VdVvm)

190 186 Just wanna reaffirm the basic truths: - Mary Ann - 1911 - 870 - longbow G'night all .... *flings empty rum bottle into the middle distance* *doesn't break* *lights a cig and walks on down the hall* Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 01, 2015 12:05 AM (OCcU9) But... Capt. Morgan's? Or Sailor Jerry's???? THAT is a tough question....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (qh617)

191 Make them wear goggles. For safety.

Posted by: Nevada Porn Industry at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (+4uXG)

192 >> California. Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have.
 
Porn filming permits in LA County are down 95% since they passed the condom wearing statute. The goggles ought to kill off the last 5%.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (CUfQt)

193 183, Heh.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 07:07 PM (OsWis)

194 filthyferd at May 31, 2015 11:57 PM (ARQtW) **** Uuuhhh.....Doofus? Lean in here and listen up for a fucking second. Ya with me? Good. ISIS exists because we cut, ran and gave away the sacrifice of thousands of troops in order to fulfill the fcuking Totalitarian in Chief's political agenda. Crawl back with the rest of the Factual deniers, you fcuking shit stain.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 07:08 PM (cIoI4)

195 Damn the GOPe hawks for killing the SOFA so a power vacuum would open after the Americans left! I'm really regretting illegally voting for Romney in Buffalo in 2012. The man's ruined America just like Instapundit has been reporting.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at May 31, 2015 07:08 PM (kivUY)

196 @ 186 Once again, you forgot to include - Bailey

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 07:08 PM (JXTsy)

197 Arming the mujahadeen doesn't equate to arming the Taliban.  Everyone who is anyone in Afghanistan politics was a mujahadeen fighter at some point.  You'd could say just as easily that we were arming the future Afghan government.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 31, 2015 07:08 PM (10ydV)

198 ""Mexican porn"


Mexican chicks are pretty hot. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:09 PM (VdVvm)

199 Thunderb, I start the modern clock with the assassination of Amb Noel in '73 by Arafat under KGB control. Prior to that the US had been on the sidelines of the Great Game.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:09 PM (ztOda)

200 Mini Golf First Date Rules : Hole in One gets a Kiss and Loser Washes the Balls.

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 07:09 PM (IrH2i)

201 And it's all a put-on, a show. Baghdad will fall. It's gonna get worse before.....well, probably will never get better.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:07 AM (VdVvm)



They'll be openly fighting in Saudia Arabia by the end of the year.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 31, 2015 07:09 PM (10ydV)

202 #194 Yeah. Nevada sounds familiar now re. porn production. I forgot Vegas.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at May 31, 2015 07:10 PM (kivUY)

203 We , in fact, did create the Taliban. Why can't you pick up a history book? You sure are one daft neocon. So, the US wasn't arming those precursors in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded? Keep ignoring reality. Posted by: filthyferd Frankly, I know you're here just to stir up shit and don't deserve a response, nor will you even acknowledge one, but ... No, we did not create the Taliban. The Taliban was a ISI creation. The US was long gone be fore the core talib started. We're we involved with creatures who later became involved with the black brigades, but it's an overly-sweeping and careless assertion to say the US "created the Taliban."

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:10 PM (uctT+)

204 134 heh, Mini-Golf is a good idea for a first date
any other thoughts?
umm asking for a friend

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 11:53 PM (2XMpf)


If one is nearby, a large bookstore, preferably not one of the chain stores, but those independent ones you'll find with books scattered throughout a large old house.


That's followed by coffee and a light meal.


You can learn a lot about a woman by the books she reads. If she picks up a book by Feminist Pundit, she'll probably expect you to pay for coffee.



Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 07:10 PM (AC0lD)

205 @  185

  And with all those weapons and vehicles goes some intensive maintenance.

   Heard firsthand from too many people about Achmed's maintenance ethics.

  So they aren't gonna run that shit TOO long.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 31, 2015 07:11 PM (jeCnD)

206 My go to first date is Mini Golf. Then dessert at a restaurant or maybe half-priced shakes at Sonic after 8 pm. The Mini Golf gets 'em." Go full-size golf or go home.

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at May 31, 2015 07:11 PM (2AlPN)

207 There will be no American tanks in Baghdad...



... because they're IS's now.

Posted by: Baghdad Josh at May 31, 2015 07:11 PM (b3v0W)

208 Is selling serpentine belts to ISIL and ITAR violation? Asking for a friend. And tires, HMMWV tires.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:11 PM (ztOda)

209 Side lines? Not really. We recognized Israel and pissed off the arabs, and armed them too. Let's Air all the greivances. Come one filthy ferd. Let's do this

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:12 PM (zOTsN)

210 A porn movie is a good first date.

Posted by: Travis Bickle at May 31, 2015 07:12 PM (uGrec)

211 " The goggles ought to kill off the last 5%."


It ain't virtuous or nothing, but, it made money.  Or did.  Cali gotta exist on inflated land values and gubmint money now. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:12 PM (VdVvm)

212 BB Wolf - I asked a similar question on the earlier thread, but nobody responded. Aren't they very similar? Which is better in your opinion? Personally, I just can't do rum. I could probably drink a spiced rum on occasion as long as I didn't have to smell it (goes back to 1982).

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 07:12 PM (JXTsy)

213 Does this mean all the porn studios will be going South of the Border for their filming now? There is something about the term "Mexican porn" that makes me want to whimper and crawl away. Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2015 12:04 AM (t//F+) *Smiles*

Posted by: A Donkey in Tiajuana at May 31, 2015 07:12 PM (7YlUk)

214 Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 01, 2015 12:10 AM (AC0lD) Dang.... I guess I'm old school.... Go out for a Glass of wine at a fairly quiet place where you can talk... Because... in Vino Veritas.... Then if you are hitting it off... appetizers.... then dinner... But no pre date commitment to dinner.... keep it light and friendly.....

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:13 PM (qh617)

215 Go full-size golf or go home. Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo Thread winner.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:13 PM (uctT+)

216 "The things are immune to small arms fire; you need a anti-tank weapon to stop them." The latest Beltway brainstorm is to ship surplus LAWs to Iraq to deal with this new menace. That's not exactly new technology. Has this actually been tested against the target vehicles in question? Never mind. The intent suffices. Actual results? Irrelevant.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:13 PM (noWW6)

217 Hey, any porn studios trying to operate under Californica's porn-safety laws, I say, play into it! Three words: Superhero Parodies. Goggles? Gloves? Masks? Codpieces? Form-fitting "protective" devices as part of the costume? Check checkity check check check! It's a nacheral. The Fantastic Foursome. The XXX-Men. Just-us League. Woman Wonders! urk I won't be watching, thanks.

Posted by: mediocre websurfer at May 31, 2015 07:13 PM (ACs58)

218 Mexican chicks are pretty hot. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:09 AM (VdVvm) *** Sure, but only until 35 or so. They ain't all like the chicks on Telemundo TV series.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 07:14 PM (XrHO0)

219 I'm going to have to show a renewed appreciation for all of those actors, male and female, who have been risking their eyesight all these years during those squirting scenes.


Apparently, it really is all fun until someone loses an eye.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 07:14 PM (AC0lD)

220 Has anybody mentioned yet that John Kerry is an asshole? We need to dock his pay for lost time while injured.

Posted by: Fritz at May 31, 2015 07:14 PM (2eqEM)

221 bobby, nooooo

Posted by: Hank Hill at May 31, 2015 07:15 PM (TF10X)

222 Three words: Superhero Parodies.


Spiderman web shooter.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 31, 2015 07:15 PM (JO9+V)

223 215 BB Wolf - I asked a similar question on the earlier thread, but nobody responded. Aren't they very similar? Which is better in your opinion? Personally, I just can't do rum. I could probably drink a spiced rum on occasion as long as I didn't have to smell it (goes back to 1982). Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at June 01, 2015 12:12 AM (JXTsy) Capt. Morgan's is smoother... Sailor Jerry's is stronger.... Sooo... it all depends LOL... Drinking at home it usually the Cpt. for me... But at Fencing Historic Fencing Tourneys??? Where you are walking from party to party and have to go back to camp to refill???? Jerry wins out...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:15 PM (qh617)

224 Ferd is a big pussy

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:16 PM (zOTsN)

225 Rand is a half assed isolationist as well as a constant blame America firster.

Isolationism stopped being competent the day a ship crossed an ocean. It became the blathering of suicidal insaniacs the day of the first transoceanic flight.

Posted by: Grimmy at May 31, 2015 07:16 PM (uUsh9)

226 I learned the other day that an NY Times contributor dox'd the organizer of the Phoenix Mosque protest. F'ing scum.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 07:16 PM (F0Cog)

227 "They'll be openly fighting in Saudia Arabia by the end of the year."


Probably so. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:17 PM (VdVvm)

228 So they aren't gonna run that shit TOO long. Posted by: irongrampa That's why ISIS has been recruiting eastern european muslims, Tajiks, Chechens, etc.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:17 PM (uctT+)

229 "Sure, but only until 35 or so"


Yeah, but that's only because they've had like 6-7 kids by then. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:18 PM (VdVvm)

230 Well dropping down in the comments listing, that is a good sign.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:18 PM (+WOB8)

231 Posted by: Kindltot at June 01, 2015 12:01 AM (t//F+)

And weren't F-111's nicknamed "Aardvarks"?

Another money pit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (zRby/)

232 "California. Slowly killing one of the last profitable industries they have. Porn filming permits in LA County are down 95% since they passed the condom wearing statute. The goggles ought to kill off the last 5%." I could not possibly comment upon this article from the L.A. Slimes, because I was laughing too hard at the predicament of the protagonist: http://tinyurl.com/p7wps54 Here's a piece of advice to union goons whose unions actively and aggressively collaborated in the political destruction of manufacturing in California, including aerospace manufacturing in SoCal: "Would you like fries with that?" Learn it. Live it.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (noWW6)

233 230 "They'll be openly fighting in Saudia Arabia by the end of the year." Probably so. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:17 AM (VdVvm) And its then that we might find out what the House of Saud has on the US Government... because BOTH parties have treated them better than we should have for over a generation.... Is whatever they have strong enough to pull us into the fight?

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (qh617)

234 It is rumored John Kerry not only broke his leg but also lost an ovary in the horrific bike accident!

Posted by: tbd at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (2msJf)

235 Posted by: BB Wolf at June 01, 2015 12:13 AM (qh617)

Yeah, I'm like that too.

You want to go somewhere where you can talk, more accurately - listen to her most of the time.


So movies, bars, clubs and loud activities are out.


Book stores, mini golf, bowling, art galleries, tourist areas you'd never see otherwise, gun ranges and other places are in.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (AC0lD)

236 And weren't F-111's nicknamed "Aardvarks"? Another money pit. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That **** Wasn't being assigned to them considered a form of punishment or low achievement?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 07:19 PM (F0Cog)

237 First dates should be somewhere casual, and public. Non threatening, where you can get acquainted, where she has a safe space to retreat to if she feels threatened. And when she asks, "Who is the guy with the video camera?", just be honest and say, "That's my lawyer."

Posted by: paisleyhautmeister at May 31, 2015 07:20 PM (q/aTs)

238 I'm also acquaintances with the Butthole Surfers.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 31, 2015 07:20 PM (3F6F8)

239 Yeah, but that's only because they've had like 6-7 kids by then. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:18 AM (VdVvm) **** I doubt those TV Hotties have done that.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 07:21 PM (cIoI4)

240 And when she asks, "Who is the guy with the video camera?", just be honest and say, "That's my lawyer."

Posted by: paisleyhautmeister at June 01, 2015 12:20 AM (q/aTs)



And if she replies, "Ok, but he has to be naked as well!" Run.  Run like hell.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 31, 2015 07:21 PM (10ydV)

241 And if she replies, "Ok, but he has to be naked as well!" Run. Run like hell. Posted by: Colorado Alex **** To the wedding chapel?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 07:22 PM (F0Cog)

242 Isolationism stopped being competent the day a ship crossed an ocean. It became the blathering of suicidal insaniacs the day of the first transoceanic flight. Posted by: Grimmy It became the only option in a country that votes for Barack Hussein Obama not just once, but twice. The only option for a country that gave up on the Iraq project only after 5 years. The US is not comprised of a people that have the sand to fight long difficult wars. Bush had to litigate the last one as a white-shoed lawyer. It didn't work and can't work with the current polity. That's not a statement of preference. It's just the way it is.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:22 PM (uctT+)

243 Aardvark II is my nickname for the F35. Get all kinds of nods and giggles in DoD 6.2 land. I would refrain from using it up where the nice carpet is.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:22 PM (ztOda)

244 We , in fact, did create the Taliban. *** Meh, if you are just going to make up shit, I might as well. Obama created the Taliban when he and his boyfriend toured Pakistan in the 80s. This has the added bonus of actually explaining why Obama and his boyfriend went to Pakistan in the first place.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 07:23 PM (5LOno)

245 IIRC the TFX F-111 was never given an official name.  But because of the in the weeds mission and that very very long nose, Earth Pigs they became.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:24 PM (+WOB8)

246 'loop, so win fast. Leave the nation building to the UN, write a check.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:24 PM (ztOda)

247 Never once did someone say that the USSR created the Taliban. Why do you think that is?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 31, 2015 07:24 PM (+4uXG)

248 Racism, that's quite possible. I also think Liberals, and Rand Paul cling to their belief system because they want to believe that they are the locus of control. IOW if we control our behavior, then we can control radical Islamic terrorists. The reality is that we cannot, and that frightens them. They want to return to the days of when terrorism was swept under the rug. The problem is technology and terrorism rapidly advance and the possibility to retreat without a geater cost for doing so is gone. Evil exists in the world it always has and it always will and it is never merciful to surrender. Sure maybe Rand Paul will not have to pay the price but his policies would increase the chance that his grandchildren will.

Posted by: River Guide at May 31, 2015 07:25 PM (RJMhd)

249 It constantly amazes me that people on the MUMR level of Cray Cray still insist on posting here when they must know that they are not wanted.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 07:25 PM (XrHO0)

250 And its then that we might find out what the House of Saud has on the US Government... *** Little known fact, Joe Wilson IV works for the Saudis. They were pissed about Bush toppling Hussein, and created the 16 words controversy that created the "anti" war movement.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 07:26 PM (5LOno)

251 The F-35 would not be TFX II the Aardvark Boogaloo if they had not attempted to graft YAK-38 DNA to create the F-35B.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:26 PM (+WOB8)

252 "Is whatever they have strong enough to pull us into the fight?"

I don't know if they have anything, but, fighting for the peninsula is not an unwise idea.  They have resources.  The we can use. 

If POTUS, I'd send four divisions, 12 squadrons, a CBG, and, a Marine LHD group to the area at once.  Permanent.  And extra B-1/-2/-52 detachments to DG. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:26 PM (VdVvm)

253 It constantly amazes me that people on the MUMR level of Cray Cray still insist on posting here when they must know that they are not wanted.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 01, 2015 12:25 AM (XrHO0)



You answered your own question. Total lack of self-awareness.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2015 07:27 PM (mwzXN)

254 Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at June 01, 2015 12:25 AM (XrHO0)

Some people are attracted to abuse.

I say we accommodate them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:28 PM (zRby/)

255 If POTUS, I'd send four divisions, 12 squadrons, a CBG, and, a Marine LHD group to the area at once. Permanent. And extra B-1/-2/-52 detachments to DG. *** And what if ISIS attacks the Hijaz? Having infidels in eastern Saudi Arabia is no biggie. I presume the shit would hit the fan though if you had Christians US soldiers fighting in Mecca or Medina. Think Barky could get away with forming an all Islamic force in the army?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 31, 2015 07:28 PM (5LOno)

256 "The US is not comprised of a people that have the sand to fight long difficult wars. Bush had to litigate the last one as a white-shoed lawyer. It didn't work and can't work with the current polity. That's not a statement of preference. It's just the way it is." In general, I would endorse these sentiments, but: There was no white-shoed law firm reason for Bush to repeatedly declare that "Islam is a religion of peace." There was no white-shoed law firm reason for Bush to enlist Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, longstanding tap roots of jihadi terror, as trusted "allies in the War On Terror". There was no white-shoed law firm reason for Bush to invite the likes of CAIR into the Oval Office for amicable photo ops. There was no white-shoed law firm reason for Bush to tell Tommy Franks that mosques were absolutely off limits as military targets, even if Franks had just seen Osama bin Laden himself duck inside the mosque in question.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:28 PM (noWW6)

257 created the Taliban, hell, I'll just spitball something with more truth: Obama just pulled Cuba from the Terrorism list, why? Because they have his name on Weatherman activity reports from NYC written by his friend Bill. It explains all the open doors by the various fellow travelers more than he's Frank Davis' kid (although it does not exclude that possibility).

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:29 PM (ztOda)

258 I will leave this without comment least it gets summoned.

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selection-du-weekend-142-20.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:30 PM (+WOB8)

259 Has anybody mentioned yet that John Kerry is an asshole? We need to dock his pay for lost time while injured. Posted by: Fritz ----------------- In line of duty? - NO

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2015 07:30 PM (9mTYi)

260 'loop, so win fast. Leave the nation building to the UN, write a check. Posted by: Jean Sure, as long as we're talking about a version of the first Gulf War in which we decapitate the regime from the very beginning and ground all of opposing air force indefinitely.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:31 PM (uctT+)

261 228 Grimmy ...which makes it ironic as hell that Lindbergh was a prominent isolationist.

Posted by: River Guide at May 31, 2015 07:31 PM (RJMhd)

262 Trader Joes Cheapest, actually. Can't do spiced rum, my internal plumbing refuses. And really g'night this time.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 31, 2015 07:31 PM (OCcU9)

263 263 Ironic, Ain't it? Where the fuck is that Martin guy....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 07:31 PM (XrHO0)

264 I will leave this without comment least it gets summoned. http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selection-du-weekend-142-20.jpg Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 01, 2015 12:30 AM (+WOB Well, she did turn me into a newt!

Posted by: A revolting peasant at May 31, 2015 07:32 PM (7YlUk)

265 I don't know if they have anything, but, fighting for the peninsula is not an unwise idea. They have resources. The we can use.

If POTUS, I'd send four divisions, 12 squadrons, a CBG, and, a Marine LHD group to the area at once. Permanent. And extra B-1/-2/-52 detachments to DG.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:26 AM (VdVvm)



Yes.  And having done that, then own the damn place. Make the Arabian peninsula an American-owned territory. Call it a colony, or protectorate or satrapy if you will. But make the "leaders" there understand that their continued existence is at the whim of the Colonial Office in DC, and that they cannot fart in the shower without getting prior permission.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2015 07:32 PM (mwzXN)

266 If we have to fight for magic kingdom, we go in and bring back the rock from mecca. Put it in the Rose Garden so the President's dog can piss on it.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:32 PM (ztOda)

267 If we have to fight for magic kingdom, we go in and bring back the rock from mecca. Put it in the Rose Garden so the President's dog can piss on it.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:32 PM (ztOda)

268 The US is not comprised of a people that have the sand to fight long difficult wars. Bush had to litigate the last one as a white-shoed lawyer. It didn't work and can't work with the current polity. That's not a statement of preference. It's just the way it is. Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 01, 2015 12:22 AM (uctT+) Historically, Democracies have about 4 years of war in them.... After that, without a clear cut victory, the anti war movements grow.... sapping the will of the electorate... Sadly, our military has been in conflict somewhere, for most of the past 2 generations...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:33 PM (qh617)

269 The F-35 is a good airplane.  It's doing a lot of jobs.  Cancellation is not an option.  It will be guarding America for the next 40 years or so. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:34 PM (VdVvm)

270 Can we now refer to John Kennedy as an evil represser of Cuba. Gee, I'd hate to see a Dem icon take it on the nose like that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2015 07:34 PM (9mTYi)

271 AOP, first potentate -- Ann Coulter

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:34 PM (ztOda)

272 124 ...and *cough*

US-Trained Tajik Special Forces Chief Joins ISIS - Promises to Bring Jihad to America
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 31, 2015 11:52 PM (uctT+)


Fallacy of the selected set. The proper way to measure this program to look at all the people trained under it and see how many went on to actually fight terrorists and how many terrorists were apprehended/killed based on their work versus how many went bad.

Requiring a zero defect standard for any program involving human beings and then declaring it an overall failure when the inevitable failure occurs is really a demand the we do absolutely nothing ever lest we get sullied by the dirt of this world and the fallen nature of man.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 31, 2015 07:35 PM (wqVD1)

273 I don't want to own it. We would be fighting every muslim of every variety forever. Holy sites are there. They would lose their damn minds. We prop up the Saudis so they are on the bubble, and keep the oil pumping for the world economy. Better them than us. It's the reason for everything we do

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:35 PM (zOTsN)

274 Anyone riding a bicycle in spandex and the stupid helmet is an asshole.

Maybe not if they're in a bicycle RACE.

But usually they're bike nazis.

When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

You're 71 John. You're bones are fragile. Stop trying to recapture the '70's.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:36 PM (zRby/)

275 Well after all that Girls unt Panzer you posted last night, Newtdom was getting off easy.

To completely terrify you and invoke the Burn It With Fire picture, the Kigurumi mask on eBay got sniped at the last second for the princely sum of $1,430.13.  Plus shipping and almost $30 in Bonus Bucks.  I looked on the Sigma Epsilon page that made the mask, brand new that mask costs 95,000Yen.  Some bargain that bidder got.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:36 PM (+WOB8)

276 Hah!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 07:36 PM (T1005)

277 "The F-35 is a good airplane." I do not understand those words in that order. "Cancellation is not an option." As was repeatedly said of the F-111 in its day. Failed program. The latest in a long list.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:36 PM (noWW6)

278 Ricardo, for the price - ti needs to be great. Your second two sentences belie the first. and less than 20yrs out it will all be drones

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:37 PM (ztOda)

279 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:34 AM (VdVvm)

I hear someone knocking . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:37 PM (zRby/)

280 Thunderb -- a CAT D-5 fixes the Holy Site problem

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:38 PM (ztOda)

281 This is true. Drones will do everything. Robots

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:38 PM (zOTsN)

282 and less than 20yrs out it will all be drones Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2015 12:37 AM (ztOda) ----- At the same price.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 31, 2015 07:39 PM (NUqwG)

283 We didn't have the politcal will to hold on to Afghanastan. Or iraq. Saudi. No. No way

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:40 PM (zOTsN)

284 Once we go to a majority drone force - what are the Paulites going to whine about?

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:40 PM (ztOda)

285 Drones will do everything.

Just ask Sharon Apple.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:40 PM (+WOB8)

286 Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2015 12:40 AM (ztOda)

The money, the resources, the morality.

You know.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (zRby/)

287

Oh well looks like I missed the silly rant, but y'all have stepped up to dismiss the doofus. 

 

One off the many things that would never occur to someone of that intelligence level (effectively - he's probably not stupid, just delusional) is that some of us don't need to get our knowledge of some events from history books. 

 

Even leaving that aside, it's pretty effing stupid to think the US and not the ISI created the Taliban.  And characteristically silly to think that even the ISI could control all of the Talib once they had some resources and momentum in their respective clan fiefs.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (QDnY+)

288 There was no white-shoed law firm reason for Bush to repeatedly declare that "Islam is a religion of peace." Posted by: torquewrench I think I was trying too hard to be 'writerly' rather than clear in regards to the 'white-shoe' phrase. I was only trying to get at the idea that Bush was trying to fight two wars as cleanly as possible, with as little bad press knowing that the Left and the press were going to amplify every problem up to 11. ROE, lawyers calling shots, light-footprint, and any other dozen of other restrictions can be pointed to as hindrances and not the product of a confident and robust campaign. It was a campaign fought with post-modern sensitivities at the forefront because of the US populace's indifference or unwillingness. Now we know it's because of the US polity's unwillingness.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (uctT+)

289 To completely terrify you and invoke the Burn It With Fire picture, the Kigurumi mask on eBay got sniped at the last second for the princely sum of $1,430.13. Plus shipping and almost $30 in Bonus Bucks. I looked on the Sigma Epsilon page that made the mask, brand new that mask costs 95,000Yen. Some bargain that bidder got. Maybe it was used ... as in screen worn Lt. Uhura panties ...

Posted by: Eddie Crispo ... at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (nSOh+)

290 Thunderb - ok, then nuke'm

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (ztOda)

291 "Failed program. The latest in a long list."



Well, they built 76 FB's and they served with honor with SAC for 30 years,


They built around A/B/ C/D/E that surved into the 1990s with TAC. 


They pummeled the VC and Khadaffi thirty years later. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:41 PM (VdVvm)

292 I can't take the brilliance of the conversation!! Have a night. *zpbt*

Posted by: mediocre websurfer at May 31, 2015 07:42 PM (ACs58)

293 Honestly that disturbs me less than getting trapped in a hundred years of religious war

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:43 PM (zOTsN)

294 282 and less than 20yrs out it will all be drones Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2015 12:37 AM (ztOda) ----- At the same price. Posted by: RioBravo at June 01, 2015 12:39 AM (NUqwG) and that idea scares the holy living crap out of me... Now if an illegal order is given, like... oh.... the President giving an order to kill a bunch of protesters.... there is a Person in the loop to stop it... With Drones? as we are already seeing, the Rules by which we historically have run armed conflict are being thrown out the window (CIA drones bombing targets in neutral countries)...

Posted by: BB Wolf at May 31, 2015 07:44 PM (qh617)

295 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:41 AM (VdVvm)

the VC?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:44 PM (zRby/)

296 Yeah, we suck. We all suck. Why should anything good ever happen to us, ever again? We suck, so f us. Run on that for your campaign slogan.

Posted by: Thor's feather duster at May 31, 2015 07:45 PM (JgC5a)

297 These white walkers are creepy as fuck

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 07:45 PM (zOTsN)

298 In case anyone is wondering, today is a little safer than yesterday, and tomorrow will be a little safer than today....but Friday should be fun.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 07:45 PM (T1005)

299 "Failed program. The latest in a long list. "


The F-35 is as far from failed as the Ark is from a desert.  It's the airplane.  It is all. 


It's a good airplane.  Nothing else does what it does.  And it does some amazing things. 


Bitch, piss, moan here. 


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:46 PM (VdVvm)

300 the VC? Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at June 01, 2015 12:44 AM (zRby/) Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 31, 2015 07:47 PM (NUqwG)

301 The Outlaw Josey Walesnis on Sundance Channel.

Posted by: Garrett at May 31, 2015 07:47 PM (IrH2i)

302 I've come to the conclusion that the hypothetical "Skynet" will not occur.

What WILL be likely is an armed and armored robot army with the capability for autonomous action being let loose by a misanthropic and anti-life regime (say like the one currently in office).

Tell me that isn't almost an off the shelf situation now?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:48 PM (zRby/)

303

Well said Maet.

 

As I used to derisively sneer at my Beltway lessers before I gave up on them, perfection is not a reasonable standard outside NASA manned operations.

 

Not knowing the details, I'm pretty surprised that anyone of import in the Tajik forces would go jihadi.  Glorious Soviet rule for 7 decades had its impact, and the only competent Tajik military of rank in my experience were quite unlikely to harbor jihadi impulses.  In Baer's excellent first memoir he recounts how Tajik military officers were imploring the US to pay more attention to the AQ and related goings-on across the border in A'stan in the 90s.  Anyone over 40 is a denatured secular sort whose vices lie mostly where you'd figure - clan loyalty and, uh, sticky fingers.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 07:48 PM (QDnY+)

304 "the VC?"


Many of the early mod F-111 made it to Vietnam.  Pioneered modern bombing. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:50 PM (VdVvm)

305 They were in Iraq I, but didnt think they made it to Veitnam

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 07:50 PM (ztOda)

306 >>> "Failed program. The latest in a long list." "Well, they built 76 FB's and they served with honor with SAC for 30 years" I've never said a cross word about the -111 in that role. It's an awesome aircraft in a certain very specialized mission set. But it was sold as a magic wand which would serve not only as an FB, but also as an air superiority interceptor, and also as a down and dirty dogfighter, and also as a ground attack mudmover. It's a dessert topping *and* a floor wax! It's a wonder that it wasn't sold as a Huey helicopter replacement too. Both the USAF and the USN were told by the Pentagon systems analysts that they had to buy the F-111 for the air superiority and dogfighter and mudmover roles. Both services correctly and strenuously resisted this. The USAF bought the F-15 and F-16 instead. (And, under protest, the A-10.) USN bought the F-14 and F-18 instead.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:51 PM (noWW6)

307 I was only trying to get at the idea that Bush was trying to fight two wars as cleanly as possible, with as little bad press knowing that the Left and the press were going to amplify every problem up to 11.

ROE, lawyers calling shots, light-footprint, and any other dozen of other restrictions can be pointed to as hindrances and not the product of a confident and robust campaign.

It was a campaign fought with post-modern sensitivities at the forefront because of the US populace's indifference or unwillingness.


I would argue that for the most part that Bush was following the strategy that Steven Denbeste laid out here in 2003 (denbeste.nu/essays/strategic_overview.shtml) for the reasons that Denbeste explained here around the same time (www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2003/11/Threeconjectures.shtml).

The Three Conjectures essay goes a long way in explaining why the 'Islam is a religion of peace' public gambit was/is considered worth following.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 31, 2015 07:52 PM (wqVD1)

308 Okay, shit, let me make a list of who I've offended or pissed off right now. 

So I know tomorrow.  And such. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:52 PM (VdVvm)

309 Time for the old folk.  Lazy day tomorrow.

  Remember, people--you're Americans, the head is held high.

         Goodnite, good people.   Stay safe.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 31, 2015 07:53 PM (jeCnD)

310 They were in Iraq I, but didnt think they made it to Veitnam Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2015 12:50 AM (ztOda) --- The first deployment in SE ASia was a disaster. The problems should have been worked out BEFORE the deployment. But once those problems were corrected, the plane was the Cadillac of interdiction/strike. They participated heavily in Operation Linebacker.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 31, 2015 07:53 PM (NUqwG)

311 "Many of the early mod F-111 made it to Vietnam. Pioneered modern bombing." Also modern cumulogranite collisions when the inadequately tested terrain-following radar arrangement proved unequal to conditions. "Whispering Death" turned out to mean the death of a lot of American aircrew.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 07:53 PM (noWW6)

312 *drags out an F-111 book*
Model/Inlet/Engine/Wingspan/Radar/Weight/# built
F-111A/Triple Plow I/TF30-P-3/63ft/APQ-113/Max: 91,300lb/159
F-111C/Triple Plow I/TF30-P-3/70ft/APQ-113/Max: 110,000lb/24
F-111D/Triple Plow 2/TF30-P-9/63ft/APQ-130/Max: 100,000lb/96
F-111E/Triple Plow 2/TF30-P-3/63ft/APQ-113/Max: 91,300lb/94
F-111F/Triple Plow 2/TF30-P-100/63ft/APQ-144/Max: 100,000lb/106
FB-111A/Triple Plow 2/ TF30-P-7/70ft/APQ-114/Max: 119,000lb/76

Four different versions of the same engine.  Two different inlet designs. Two different wings.  And four different radars.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:55 PM (+WOB8)

313 "Both services correctly and strenuously resisted this. The USAF bought the F-15 and F-16 instead. (And, under protest, the A-10.) USN bought the F-14 and F-18 instead."


The F-35 is not an "other, or."  It is what will operate from carrier decks going forward.  Manned anyway. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:57 PM (VdVvm)

314 Hey everybody, happy Sunday night. Back in the Bond-a-week habit. Tonight's episode: The Man With the Golden Gun. Herve Villechaize at his prime. Also good, but call me crazy: Bond seemed to be quite a bit more of a dick in this flick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 07:58 PM (elbY7)

315 Which Vietnam deployment?

Combat Lancer that saw six F-111As sent while the type was still working up Stateside and mired in controversy?  The deployment that saw three of the six go down.  Two crews killed.  And the third crew that survived loss of their F-111A reported it was the TFR in Hard mode and the karst mountains of Thailand that literally pulled their plane apart.

Or the later one with F-111As which was pretty uneventful and successful?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 07:58 PM (+WOB8)

316 All, night.  We'll fight about this in the manana.. 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at May 31, 2015 07:59 PM (VdVvm)

317 Well even scarier before Kerry crashed he had spent six hours in negotiations with the Iranians. Hopefully he only binged on Teresa's gin soaked raisins after the meeting.

Posted by: River Guide at May 31, 2015 07:59 PM (RJMhd)

318 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at June 01, 2015 12:52 AM (VdVvm)

Put down "Everyone". Just to be sure.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 31, 2015 07:59 PM (zRby/)

319 The F35 to F111 comparison is in their development disasters. However well the F35 performs, it does so at an enormous cost to every other development program that isn't a submarine. Building a program that bundles in off-shore commitments made at a level several pay grades higher than the men responsible fro program oversight must never happen again. (Except for Yucca Mountain, that one should rope in the Canucks and screw Harry Reid.)

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:00 PM (ztOda)

320

For clear-eyed, hard-nosed realists, many (most?) commenters here sure do put some effort into not understanding the "religion of peace" thing.

 

We were (today, who knows how to describe things) in a lively tussle with one or two sides of a many-sided civil war within parts of the Islamic world.

 

Bush could hardly be found outside a mosque it seemed, for a while after 9/11.  And US officials were constantly whispering sweet nothings, via open statements, to all and sundry in the Islamic world. 

 

And at the same time, we and our partners in the various parts of the war were, uh, killing people, and capturing and renditioning and interrogating people, and bribing people.  And (though not everywhere they should have) behind closed doors we were breaking arms to get more cooperation. 

 

WWII and the nature of the belligerents made the beautiful bluntness of the Potsdam Declaration perfectly appropriate.  This war and its belligerents etc. make double-talk perfectly appropriate.

 

And while I don't see any specific connection between the over-JAG'ing of warfare and the lack of will (seriousness) in our polity, both are true and both are disastrous.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 08:02 PM (QDnY+)

321 314 Hey everybody, happy Sunday night. Back in the Bond-a-week habit. Tonight's episode: The Man With the Golden Gun. Herve Villechaize at his prime. Also good, but call me crazy: Bond seemed to be quite a bit more of a dick in this flick. Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 12:58 AM (elbY7) I've actually read every Fleming Bond book -- and probably have them around this dump somewhere.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 08:02 PM (T1005)

322 The carrier decks that don't melt.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:03 PM (ztOda)

323 Jean, yeah that is really embarrassing.  The gator carrier USS America was supposedly built from the keel up to support the F-35B at a cost of $7 billion including R+D.  But the deck can't withstand the heat of the F-35B engine in lift mode and there is no data-link between the ship and the F-35Bs.  So its going back to the dock for upgrades and another Billion dollars.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:06 PM (+WOB8)

324 I guessed they said Islam is a religion of piece as a strategic move. There are 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet.

Posted by: eman at May 31, 2015 08:07 PM (MQEz6)

325 So does come out of NAVSEA or NAVAIR's budget?

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:07 PM (ztOda)

326 cthulhu: I could be very wrong, but as I think I've read somewhere, Bond is much more working-class stock in the books than in the films.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:08 PM (elbY7)

327 U.S. trained Tajik Special Forces-- US trained -that was in some of the headlines but if you drilled down on that they are basing that claim on his self reporting. They are going by his word on the YouTube video ( which was taken down rapidly).

Posted by: River Guide at May 31, 2015 08:09 PM (RJMhd)

328 Night all. Here is "Flight of Icarus" by Iron Maiden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMDtwop05WE

Posted by: Hat up the Irons! at May 31, 2015 08:09 PM (7YlUk)

329 If we get lucky the brown shoes will play high stakes poker with the black shoes.  And loser pay for the fixes.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:09 PM (+WOB8)

330 Fun With Boating ONT Compliance Pics https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055137900597248 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055300534714368 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055476926160896 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055645126139904

Posted by: kbdabear at May 31, 2015 08:10 PM (GrXXa)

331 Anna, I don't even begin to understand how every time the F35B was spun up during testing that a radiometer wasnt pointed at that exhaust stream or how the Navy never asked how those much more powerful engines were the same temp. as the old Pegasus.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:11 PM (ztOda)

332 More Boating ONT Compliance Pics https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055800105676800 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605055974144135170 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605056118923096064 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/605056252826251264

Posted by: kbdabear at May 31, 2015 08:12 PM (GrXXa)

333 and Anna, I'd be willing to bet some decent cash that exhaust temp is on the aircraft databus.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:13 PM (ztOda)

334
The roll call from tonight's cloture vote: A Yea is a vote for an invasive eternal panopticon state. A Nay means you hate America and want the terrorists to win.

YEAs - 77

Cruz (R-LCF)
Tillis (R-NC)

NAYs - 17

Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Coats (R-IN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cotton (R-AR)
Crapo (R-ID)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Risch (R-ID)


Not Voting - 6

Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Sasse (R-NE)

http://tinyurl.com/qevfbvu


A GOP SMOF favorite like Ernst breaking ranks is surprising.

As is "Mr. National Security" Graham not even bothering to show up.  Probably busy deleting his incriminating kiddie diddler emails.

Cruz continues to be useless as he continues to move to the center and puppy begs to the party puppeteers.

Pretty sure Enzi died a while ago.  He's not showing up much.

Thom remains Thom

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 31, 2015 08:13 PM (kdS6q)

335

eman, of course that's part of it.

 

The other tiny, complicated and obscure part is that, well, we depend on and work closely with Muslims to kill these particular Muslims, so an AOSHQ chant like "they're all the enemy!! eleventy!!", umm, presents some peculiar difficulties if taken seriously.

 

The workaround, of course, is to find alternatives to the ports/airports in partner Islamic countries where we can land men and materiel, and intelligence services of Islamic regimes with assets and penetration and cultural and language capacities, and also of course non-Islamic military and police to train and work with, and then there's the non-Islamic local population to work with in fingering and killing the people that also make their lives hell.

 

But once we develop these workarounds we'll finally be able to drop the mask and tell it like it is.  Cuz all Muslims, obviously, are the problem.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 08:13 PM (QDnY+)

336 326 cthulhu: I could be very wrong, but as I think I've read somewhere, Bond is much more working-class stock in the books than in the films. Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 01:08 AM (elbY7) The early books came first, there was some evolution, Thunderball was actually almost simultaneous (and included another guy's concept, which lead to Never Say Never Again), and then the movies went off on their own with little connection with the books beyond the title. Even in something like Casino Royale, however, Bond was polished and could pass in high society. As far as stock, however -- Bond was a lower-middle class bastard abandoned by his parents (I believe raised by an aunt, IIRC).

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 08:14 PM (T1005)

337 I think Jean the data was there.  But, because the F-35 was going to be the only plane for the future, some turned blind eyes to ensure their tickets were punched for future promotion.

Sure many admire Admiral Tom Connolly telling Sen. Stennis that not all the thrust in Christendom could make the F-111B a fighter.  But he also paid the price for his honesty, all chances of getting a fourth star pinned vanished.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:17 PM (+WOB8)

338 The "third path" is to drop Red Horse units in where ever we want a base and stomp out some runways, regardless of what the local goatfuckers think. You know act like a superpower. Do it a few times and muslims will get with the program. They are submissive, remember that. They're violent sociopaths because their uncle raped them last Thursday.

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:19 PM (ztOda)

339

River Guide, good point.  And I forgot to add earlier, "special forces" in the republic of the High Pamirs probably means units organized on other-than strictly geographic or clan basis (exaggerating, but you get the idea).

 

There are some ex-Soviet exports who have been a problem, but really only the Chechens have been material to the cause.  And they're good.  This problem actually may have a slow solution over time, as the Chechens with only anti-Russia experience and no Soviet-era background are generally far less impressive than their younger colleagues.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

340 Posted by: rhomboid at June 01, 2015 01:13 AM (QDnY+) So, we should conquer the Middle East. Convert the people there to sex-addicted alcoholics. Create a Mega-Las Vegas in the Saudi Desert.

Posted by: eman at May 31, 2015 08:19 PM (MQEz6)

341 So, we should conquer the Middle East. Convert the people there to sex-addicted alcoholics. Create a Mega-Las Vegas in the Saudi Desert. Posted by: eman **** Sounds good to me. 21! Alluha Akbar!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 31, 2015 08:21 PM (F0Cog)

342 ...F-35 was going to be the only plane for the future, some turned blind eyes to ensure their tickets were punched for future promotion. ------ Engine exhaust is also a problem with the MV-22. It is not unique to the F-35.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 31, 2015 08:22 PM (NUqwG)

343 Well a Mega Vegas in Riyahd, does that mean the MoMee will have a MOUT area plus a large expanse of rolling dunes to play tank war in???

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:23 PM (+WOB8)

344 So, we should conquer the Middle East. Convert the people there to sex-addicted alcoholics. Create a Mega-Las Vegas in the Saudi Desert. Posted by: eman at June 01, 2015 01:19 AM (MQEz6) A bunch of Arab Elvis impersonators? Goggle-less pr0n? Sounds like a plan to me

Posted by: kbdabear at May 31, 2015 08:23 PM (GrXXa)

345

that should be "than their OLDER colleagues"

 

eman, Mecca as the new Vegas, the new Strip centered around the K'aba/Grand Mosque

 

lots of construction work for Pakistani and Filipino and Indian workers

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 08:23 PM (QDnY+)

346 Herve Villechaize at his prime. There was such a thing?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at May 31, 2015 08:23 PM (mmlFU)

347 Hmmm PRARIE?MASKR the decks to cool them down?

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:24 PM (ztOda)

348 Building a program that bundles in off-shore commitments made at a level several pay grades higher than the men responsible fro program oversight must never happen again. (Except for Yucca Mountain, that one should rope in the Canucks and screw Harry Reid.)

Posted by: Jean at June 01, 2015 01:00 AM (ztOda)



Yucca Mountain? We Canucks have our own home-grown nuclear-waste repository. Something like mine shafts a thousand meters deep into tight, dry granite of the Canadian Shield. Rock that hasn't moved much in half a billion years. Should last long enough for even the long-lived isotopes to chill right out.



I think the concept is superior to Yucca Mountain, although I also know that the concern about nuke waste is mostly hype.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2015 08:24 PM (mwzXN)

349 Posted by: kbdabear at June 01, 2015 01:23 AM (GrXXa) It's worth a try.

Posted by: eman at May 31, 2015 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

350 RioBravo exhaust issues were voiced when Spain bought AV-8As.  Would the F-402 exhaust be hot enough to ignite the wooden deck on Spain's light carrier.  Turned out not to be a problem but it is a known issue.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:25 PM (+WOB8)

351 Not PRARIE/MASKER - the Circle W fogger thing

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:26 PM (ztOda)

352 The joke I just made up: Thought I lost my sunglasses so looked all over the house, and passed by the living room mirror and wouldn't you know, they were right on a burglars head! Good night everybody!

Posted by: JD at May 31, 2015 08:26 PM (TzeLs)

353 Posted by: kbdabear at June 01, 2015 01:12 AM (GrXXa)


Nice to see those ladies are wearing their personal flotation devices. Safety is paramount on the water, yannow.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2015 08:26 PM (mwzXN)

354 Anybody here seen the Reese Witherspoon flick Election? At a Hollywood Elsewhere, it's reported that whenever Reese Witherspoon is asked if she would play Hillary, she thinks she already did -- as Tracy Flick in that movie. Of course blogmaster Jeff Wells, the super-partisan, says Flick is far more Nixon. (And funny enough, many commenters respond "uh... they're the same." Anyway, anybody else here who's seen Election feel Witherspoon's character is/was based on someone big in politics?

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:31 PM (elbY7)

355 Done here

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:32 PM (ztOda)

356 Done here

Posted by: Jean at May 31, 2015 08:32 PM (ztOda)

357 Oh, and actress/producer Rashida Jones has actually come out with a documentary about young porn actresses entering the adult film industry. It's titled "Hot Chicks Wanted." Not a joke, an actual movie coming out. Gee, you don't suppose it'll be a big hit for all the wrong reasons, do you? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:33 PM (elbY7)

358 Oops, called "Hot Girls Wanted." Not chicks. That would be the documentary about KFC.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:34 PM (elbY7)

359 "Why?" "WHY?" "WHYYYY!!?" *Sobs and clutches knee*

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at May 31, 2015 08:34 PM (SBWdH)

360 Okay I am now officially in a Hell almost as bad as Yiffing Hell...  YouTube is now suggesting Kigurumi videos to watch

https://youtu.be/wOGg5hfIm1U

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 08:35 PM (+WOB8)

361 Posted by: John F'n Kerry at June 01, 2015 01:34 AM (SBWdH) Not to "blame the victim," but is it really appropriate for a man of your stature to be wearing a lacy skating leotard at Applebee's??

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:36 PM (elbY7)

362

LDC, if you're still here, kudos.  I admire your deft, brutal touch.

 

I'm woefully not up to speed on the actual details of what's going on, but a quick glance seems to indicate the replacement collection authority to be voted on next will not change things all that much.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at May 31, 2015 08:37 PM (QDnY+)

363 So, i got two dozen farm fresh eggs today (picked from the coop this morning). I've hard-baked a dozen already, so deviled eggs & egg salad is on this week's menu. But, what do I do with the other dozen? Not to mention the dozen eggs I bought at the grocery store last week? I guess it's time to learn how to make home made hollandaise. And mayo.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 08:45 PM (JXTsy)

364 ok good night all
got classes in the morning
be safe, see you tomorrow night

Posted by: chemjeff at May 31, 2015 08:47 PM (2XMpf)

365 Ever since he left his position, he's been hanging around the house all day in his wheelchair. I never realized what a fatuous bore he was. Absolutely driving me NUTS! Only problem is, if I divorce him, how much alimony will the old horse faced golddigger be awarded?

Posted by: Teresa Heinz-Kerry at May 31, 2015 08:48 PM (3F6F8)

366 363 So, i got two dozen farm fresh eggs today (picked from the coop this morning). I've hard-baked a dozen already, so deviled eggs & egg salad is on this week's menu. But, what do I do with the other dozen? Not to mention the dozen eggs I bought at the grocery store last week? I guess it's time to learn how to make home made hollandaise. And mayo. Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at June 01, 2015 01:45 AM (JXTsy) Go traditional. Give 'em to the people who you expect to watch the place for vandals if you're ever out-of-town for a while.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 08:48 PM (T1005)

367 G'night, chem. Be well.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 08:49 PM (JXTsy)

368 So, what's the score?

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 08:49 PM (r4TcS)

369 My take on the F-35 program: It has been poorly run, partly for political reasons, and as a result it's way over budget. And the F-35A and F-35C have design compromises baked in because of the "one plane with three models" idea, which was a clear mistake in hindsight. (Lots of common parts, but custom bodies for the planes, would have been better. Let the non-B models be skinnier and fly faster.) However, despite the expense of the program, we need to build a whole bunch of these. The R&D costs are already paid for, and now all we need to do is carry the program a little further across the finish line and build the planes. From what I have read, the cost to build an F-35 is reasonable; the absurdly high cost per plane is when you factor in the cost of the R&D. But not building planes won't get that R&D money back. Also, the F-35B should be built in large numbers. Since we took the design hit and the cost hit to develop it, we need to run with it and gain full advantage. Supercarriers are awesome, but they are also huge targets and I fear that if we ever go to hot war with a capable adversary that great swarms of missiles will be shot at our carriers; and even if 99% of all the missiles get stopped, the carriers would sink. It's past time to stop making super-huge and super-expensive floating targets. If only we could make much smaller ships that carried about 12 fighters and a few Ospreys and helicopters. Oh wait, we have several of those. I say, get the bugs out and build more of them... and stop building supercarriers. (And start designing new mini-carriers that are stealthy. The rule of future warfare is going to be: if you can see it, you can kill it. No stealth is perfect but it will sure help.) The mini-carrier idea, to be fully viable, needs to have a good way to refuel an F-35B in flight. I like the idea I read in a Tyler Rogoway article, about developing Osprey tankers. And by all means develop some good drones and put them on the mini-carriers as well. For really difficult missions, send them on one-way suicide flights (which we would not do if they had human pilots on board).

Posted by: mr_jack at May 31, 2015 08:49 PM (GP7PH)

370 Anybody here seen the Reese Witherspoon flick Election?

At a Hollywood Elsewhere, it's reported that whenever Reese Witherspoon is asked if she would play Hillary, she thinks she already did -- as Tracy Flick in that movie. Of course blogmaster Jeff Wells, the super-partisan, says Flick is far more Nixon. (And funny enough, many commenters respond "uh... they're the same."

Anyway, anybody else here who's seen Election feel Witherspoon's character is/was based on someone big in politics?

 

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 01:31 AM

 

Election is a great movie. But, no... I don't feel it was based on any particular person in politics. I'm not even sure there's any overt subtext in a historical political sense... though you can find all sorts of parallels if you look hard enough. Maybe I'm wrong and the writer meant it to represent someone or some campaign, specifically... but, I didn't get it. To my non political expert eyes, it plays out like a high school election, with a satirical angle that points at politics in general. But, what do I know?

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 08:52 PM (tBSrv)

371 Anybody watch Aquarius on Netflix? I wonder if they are going to renew it for a second season.

Posted by: Bruce with a Wang! at May 31, 2015 08:52 PM (iQIUe)

372 Damn, man. Whatever happened to cryptic comments?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at May 31, 2015 08:56 PM (cIoI4)

373 otho, would like to see it. Thanks. Bruce, I asked last night if anyone is watching it. I've read that Aquarius is a "limited series," i.e. 13 episodes only. Of course if it's a huge hit, I'm sure NBC will figure out some way to keep the goose laying the golden eggs. Given Manson was caught in 1969, maybe they'd move Hodiak (the lead character) up to the 1970s to work on other notorious cases of the day.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 08:56 PM (elbY7)

374 I've hard-baked a dozen already, so deviled eggs & egg salad is on this week's menu. But, what do I do with the other dozen? Not to mention the dozen eggs I bought at the grocery store last week? I guess it's time to learn how to make home made hollandaise. And mayo. Posted by: chi's sandwIch Eggs last a long time if kept cool. "Fresh"? 3 weeks. Farm fresh? I assume they sold them after a few days laid - fresh laid eggs are kept for a few days, even on a farm . They store them on a wire rack.. can't remember the name of the thing. Screw-ball thing I saw on a 'prepper' site; coat them in oil, store in an cool but not necessarily refrigerated area, and eggs will keep for months. No, I"m not willing to test that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at May 31, 2015 08:57 PM (uctT+)

375 Go traditional. Give 'em to the people who you expect to watch the place for vandals if you're ever out-of-town for a while. Posted by: cthulhu ---------------------------- Yeah, I already thought about taking the fresh ones over to Shirley. Next door? Nope. Seems my sister came into town to surprise Mom with a visit - brought the new grand-nephew with her. But, by noon, before she could even call me, Wyatt was running a fever, so she decided to bail & head back home. I didn't get to see him All I got was some fresh eggs...

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 08:57 PM (JXTsy)

376 Anyone know of a good Reason why a Business that is Located in Mississippi would be using a mail server in Kansas? I am sure there is a valid reason but I haven't has enough Coffee to be useful yet.


Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 31, 2015 09:00 PM (GoyxN)

377 otho, would like to see it. Thanks.

 

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 01:56 AM

 

You haven't seen it??!! DAMN, man. Get ahold of it, tout d'suite. It is very, very funny. Extremely well written and acted. Probably Broderick's best showing and is an underrated 90's gem (though, it does get a lot of love... but not enough!).

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:00 PM (tBSrv)

378 IMHO it might have been a better idea if, instead of centering on the Manson case, "Aquarius" focused in the 1970s on the search for Ted Bundy. As I understand it, Manson's cult only started getting attention from LAPD around 1966-7, when IIRC they were doing midnight quickie cheap break-in jobs in LA-area small businesses, and Charlie was caught in 1969. Whereas I've read it took literally something like 10 years for the cops to catch up with Bundy, because (among other reasons) he kept moving around.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 09:00 PM (elbY7)

379 Bruce, I asked last night if anyone is watching it. I've read that Aquarius is a "limited series," i.e. 13 episodes only. Of course if it's a huge hit, I'm sure NBC will figure out some way to keep the goose laying the golden eggs. Given Manson was caught in 1969, maybe they'd move Hodiak (the lead character) up to the 1970s to work on other notorious cases of the day. Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 01:56 AM (elbY7) ============ I read that, too. But I also read on IMDB that the author had it planned out for 6 seasons. Seems unlikely with television being so fickle. Maybe they meant books? It is suppose to be based on a book series. The show does leave you hanging. It also could be punched up quite a bit. Duchovney is great but too much gay sex for my tastes.

Posted by: Bruce with a Wang! at May 31, 2015 09:01 PM (iQIUe)

380 otho, thanks. :-) I've seen bits and pieces of Election. And I can relate to Broderick's character making his whole world/career fall apart (as I've read about the movie) trying to "stop the madness," kinda-sorta.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 09:01 PM (elbY7)

381 "And by all means develop some good drones and put them on the mini-carriers as well. For really difficult missions, send them on one-way suicide flights" Tomahawk missiles called while you were out. They said they'd call back.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2015 09:02 PM (noWW6)

382 Bruce, six seasons?!? They'd really have to drag things along. Like I said earlier, I think LAPD first looked into Manson's cult around 1966 and he was caught by 1969. So IMHO, only so much you can portray in a three-year timeframe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 09:03 PM (elbY7)

383 http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=56916 [McGehee] There's a lady who's shown all about her is known And she's buying a stairlift to heaven. When she gets there she knows, on the Sunday news shows With a word she can get who she came for. Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairlift to heaven. There's a sign on the desk but she wants to be sure 'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings. In the garden out back, lies a songbird who sang, Interrupting her Majesty's preening. Ooh, don't it make you wonder? Ooh, it should make you wonder. On North Africa's shore monsters kicked in the door, We were all misled as to the reason. And a new day won't dawn for those who are gone, And questions will still find no answers. Ooh, what difference does it make? Ooh, what difference at this point? There's a feeling I get when I watch ABC, And my spirit is crying for real news. In my thoughts I have seen dancing dwarfs through the trees, And her voice is heard when they are speaking. Yes Bill did tussle with an intern, back during his term, Turns out she did stand by her man. Yes, it may look inevitable, she'll be the nominee In the real world there's no guarantee. But don't you wonder? Your head is shaking and you don't know, which way to go, The piper's calling you to join him, Dear lady, what happened to those emails, and did you know Your stairlift rides on the lying wind? And as we wind on up the trail Our feet avoiding the rail. There rides a lady we all know Who talks a lot and wants to show She has a plan for all your gold. And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last. Now one is all, and all is mine, Don't fall in love, just fall in line. And she's buying a stairlift to heaven.

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:04 PM (r4TcS)

384 Except the Tomahawk is no longer in production.  And the replacement is a few years off.

But as Jean alluded to, the TFX analogy sticks because of high level 'interest' that is really interference.  And because of that interest, even if the plane is a dog no one wants it to fail.

The USAF LWF gave us the F-16 and the F-18.  Both planes grew to meet foreign requirements and generate sales.  Though MDD knifed Northrop in the back over F-18 sales.  MDD was supposed to sell to navies while Northrop sold their version to air forces, but MDD took all the contracts.  Thus Northrup was reduced to being a sub-contractor on a plane it originally designed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 31, 2015 09:08 PM (+WOB8)

385 Weft @ 374 Nah, weren't sold anywhere. These came straight from my sister. She "sells" a few dozen a week at church to subsidize feed costs, but I think she gives away 10x that much. I think when she sells them, it's like $1 per dozen... These were picked from the coop this morning, and were in my fridge by 1pm. As a bachelor, I just don't eat that many eggs. But I will this week, I guess. Neighbor friend may get a nice bonus, I guess.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 09:09 PM (JXTsy)

386 I think the Broderick character in Election is the perfect prog. He hates her ambition. He knows better than everyone even though his own life is a mess. He tries to rig an election because he doesn't like her. He manipulates a likable know nothing to run against her.

Posted by: Thunderb at May 31, 2015 09:10 PM (zOTsN)

387 Five dollah? Abenomics Fail: Japanese Slack-Jawed At Oral Sex Price Deflation http://tinyurl.com/nqe8kt6

Posted by: kbdabear at May 31, 2015 09:12 PM (GrXXa)

388 Thunderb, hmmm... what I've always heard is that Witherspoon's character is *so* ambitious though, she's effectively psychotic.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 09:14 PM (elbY7)

389 I'm disqualifying people who think this disqualifies Rand from being as influential to me.  Rand was responding to a criticism from Republicans, probably not well, but Republicans criticized him (plus some back and forth before, I think).

And now a bunch of Republicans are saying a potential Republican presidential nominee is disqualified from being president.  That can be used in the campaign by Democrats, too.  So point number three I don't think is valid, or if it is, than Jindal is disqualified from office now, too.

It seems like a lot of people don't like his dad, and have had a thing against him and people who would choose do identify with libertarianism instead of conservatism, so anything they can point to disqualify him they'll do.  Just my take.

And Rick Perry thinks the the role of government is to choose and fund private businesses.  This is his track record, and he defends it.  How is this not a disqualification?  At least Paul isn't getting the functions of government wrong.

Posted by: scotta at May 31, 2015 09:16 PM (o2C6M)

390 I think the Broderick character in Election is the perfect prog. He hates her ambition. He knows better than everyone even though his own life is a mess. He tries to rig an election because he doesn't like her. He manipulates a likable know nothing to run against her.

 

Posted by: Thunderb at June 01, 2015 02:10 AM

 

Yeah, I can't help but sympathise with Tracey. She doesn't have much in her life and she works very hard to get where she wants to go.

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:18 PM (tBSrv)

391 yo, otho

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:20 PM (r4TcS)

392  Thunderb, hmmm...

what I've always heard is that Witherspoon's character is *so* ambitious though, she's effectively psychotic.

 

Posted by: qdpsteve at June 01, 2015 02:14 AM

 

Hahaha! Yeah, sorta. Not really psychotic, though. More that she just loses her shit when things stack up against her. *wailing harpies sound* But, she's just a high school girl and it's her whole life. Noboby else really gives a shit and that pisses her off.

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:22 PM (tBSrv)

393 yo, otho

 

Posted by: Alta at June 01, 2015 02:20 AM

 

Hey, what's fappening?

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:24 PM (tBSrv)

394 Same as last time, bro. Good to see everyone in a happy mood.

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:26 PM (r4TcS)

395 Gotta go all. Thanks for another night of great chat.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 31, 2015 09:27 PM (elbY7)

396 'See ya later' qdpsteve

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:29 PM (r4TcS)

397 Rhomboid Doubt you are still on, but I just read at The Washington Times that the State Department has confirmed that he was trained by them. I can't cut and paste worth a damn on this device, otherwise I would link it. The first reports were based solely on his word but now we have more. Catch you guys later.

Posted by: River Guide at May 31, 2015 09:33 PM (RJMhd)

398 Same as last time, bro.

Good to see everyone in a happy mood.


 

Posted by: Alta at June 01, 2015 02:26 AM

 

Yeah, same here. Just chugging along. Hope everything's ok at your joint.

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:34 PM (tBSrv)

399 Later, Q.

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:34 PM (tBSrv)

400 Things are good here, just trying to put the kids down... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuAPmyPtNNo

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:38 PM (r4TcS)

401 Possible consequence of Blumenthal's efforts to delegitimize Michael Ledeen: failure of policy makers to take seriously the aggressiveness of the Iranian Mullahs. After 9/11, Ledeen advocated non-military aid to Iranian dissidents rather than an invasion of Iraq. As it turned out, Saddam Hussein reportedly maintained the impression that he had significant hidden WMD stockpiles because he feared Iran. Not that Saddam was a guy to be trusted to abandon his own imperial dreams.

Posted by: KT bar the door at May 31, 2015 09:38 PM (qahv/)

402 OMG, those robowargs are going to be chasing us down in the arena 20 years from now. Jeebus.

Posted by: Gem at May 31, 2015 09:42 PM (Ksw0R)

403 Doing an east coast day tomorrow. Nighty-nite, Horde.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 31, 2015 09:43 PM (T1005)

404 'jest a matter o' time.

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:44 PM (r4TcS)

405 Night, C-dog.

Posted by: otho at May 31, 2015 09:45 PM (tBSrv)

406 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXKSQEecR0A This may pump your adrenaline. toward rage. or WTF or kids today...

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 09:59 PM (r4TcS)

407 I would argue that for the most part that Bush was following the strategy that Steven Denbeste laid out here in 2003 (denbeste.nu/essays/strategic_overview.shtml) for the reasons that Denbeste explained here around the same time (www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2003/11/Threeconjectures.shtml).

The Three Conjectures essay goes a long way in explaining why the 'Islam is a religion of peace' public gambit was/is considered worth following.

Posted by: Maetenloch at June 01, 2015 12:52 AM (wqVD1)

 
Okay, I read that first essay, and holy fuck -- Den Beste ought to be on the National Security Council, where he could just sit there and say "I told you so" over and over until the rest of them commit seppeku.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 10:12 PM (CUfQt)

408 June 1st. 53 degrees outside. 10 degrees below normal. The Glaciers are melting.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 31, 2015 10:20 PM (6yehy)

409 Too many trees sacrificed for hockey sticks.

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 10:23 PM (r4TcS)

410 entertainment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrMbPGmluEw

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 10:29 PM (r4TcS)

411 I had that album at one time. A lot of sadness in their music.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 31, 2015 10:32 PM (6yehy)

412 She's the Queen of the Silver Dollar
and she rules a smoky Kingdom......

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 31, 2015 10:33 PM (6yehy)

413 Miss Lindsay is in the Air Force Reserves?

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 31, 2015 10:37 PM (4oSc7)

414 "Miss Lindsay is in the Air Force Reserves?'

Well crud, activate him and send his ass to go bomb whoever he pleases.

I think there are one or two DH-2's that can still fly, laying around somewhere.

Posted by: Luap Nor's last brain cell at May 31, 2015 10:41 PM (6yehy)

415 Well I'm up, I guess. Anybody reading Dan Simmons' "Flashback"? Got it on Horde recommendation and will add my huzzah. I'd call it "unputdownable" except it's a doorstop of a book and my arms get tired holding it. It's kind of unsettling, in a good way, to read disparaging remarks on Ward Churchill and Obama in a mainstream novel.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 31, 2015 10:44 PM (jR7Wy)

416 Ward Churchill? Isn't he one of us? A member of the tribe.

Posted by: Fauxcohontas at May 31, 2015 10:46 PM (4oSc7)

417 I hear the hounds of hell... in the distance... I'm out.

Posted by: Alta at May 31, 2015 10:48 PM (r4TcS)

418 Ward Churchill? Isn't he one of us? A member of the tribe. Posted by: Fauxcohontas at June 01, 2015 03:46 AM (4oSc7) --- He's in deep cover, using a pseudonym cobbled from Ward Cleaver and Winston Churchill. Bringing down The Man from within.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 31, 2015 10:50 PM (jR7Wy)

419 413 Miss Lindsay is in the Air Force Reserves?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 01, 2015 03:37 AM (4oSc7)


********************


I know he did one annual training tour in Afghanistan when I was there (I think he's done others). Obviously, the tour consisted of being heavily guarded and making visits to various locations to meet with ISAF and Afghan leadership, and hopefully also some troops. But give him credit for putting on actual boots and getting in country. There's no substitute for that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at May 31, 2015 10:53 PM (5f5bM)

420 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 01, 2015 03:53 AM (5f5bM)


Missy is a Col. or light Col. JAG

Posted by: BignJames at May 31, 2015 10:57 PM (j7iSn)

421 Well, crap, finally get caught up (sewing up cuts from glass is a b*tch) and most of the horde has gone to bed.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 11:00 PM (b2cFu)

422 Well, crap, finally get caught up (sewing up cuts from glass is a b*tch) and most of the horde has gone to bed. Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 04:00 AM (b2cFu) --- Okay, what. Bar fight? Helo drop through glass ceiling into evildoer's lair?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 31, 2015 11:08 PM (jR7Wy)

423 >> Well, crap, finally get caught up (sewing up cuts from glass is a b*tch) and most of the horde has gone to bed.
 
Sew, what's up doc?
 
- or -
 
A stitch in time saves rhyme.
 
*slaps self with a rubber chicken*

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 11:10 PM (CUfQt)

424 You probably don't get many "thank you" s, Crank, so I'll thank you now. The only time I go to the doc is for stitches or broken bones bigger than fingers/toes... In fact, last time I went to an ER (a few years ago), my knuckle got ripped off on a job. I cleaned it, put it back in place, then taped it up & went back to work. The ex and her Mom finally convinced me to go to ER for stitches. I never saw an actual Doc, just a PA. What probably needed eight or ten sutures got three. And a bill for something like $2600. One of those stitches bust lose the next day, too.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 11:12 PM (D2i9m)

425 ZH has their DOOM amp turned up to 11 this am. Sheesh. I'm hiding under the bed.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 11:13 PM (CUfQt)

426 chi, So what did you decide on for dessert?

Posted by: SMFH at it all at May 31, 2015 11:16 PM (OsWis)

427 >> I never saw an actual Doc, just a PA. What probably needed eight or ten sutures got three. And a bill for something like $2600.
 
Dayum. My PA only charges $60 for stitches. Still, I have priced DIY kits; they run around $30 for a decent one. And it would come in real handy in The Burning Times.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 11:18 PM (CUfQt)

428 Cherry turnover with a big scoop of bourbon. It was delicious.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 11:18 PM (E5w0w)

429 chi, a lot of that bill was probably for the hospital itself--usually the professional services (PA, NP, or doc) is a separate bill. For the PA and the stitches themselves, the bill was probably on the order of $500, and the rest was the hospital for the privilege of coming to their ER, being seen by the nurse, getting the numbing medication and tetanus booster if needed...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 11:20 PM (b2cFu)

430 Eris--domestic. Deputies did their thing before patient ever came to the ER, so all I had to worry about was taking care of the patient. Nothing major, fortunately.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 11:21 PM (b2cFu)

431 Thanks for all the work you do, Crank. I had to get stitches as a teen due to a "domestic disturbance". Typical Eris family dinnertime argument ensues. Dad says "If you give me any more lip, I'll...!!". Being me, I give him lip, and the next thing I know a plate of spaghetti is flung at me, hard, shatters on my elbow, and I'm off to the ER for embroidery work.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at May 31, 2015 11:32 PM (jR7Wy)

432 Yeah, the ex's Mom offered to sew it up. She had a suture kit. Hell, she raised five kids to adulthood (thrr boys), but when it came down to business, she couldn't do it. I could actually see the ligaments in my knuckle move, and that might have freaked her out some. I want to get me a kit, because when it comes down to it, I could stitch myself.

Posted by: chi's sandwIch (previously shredded chi) at May 31, 2015 11:34 PM (BISbA)

433 Actually, I erred earlier--if you'd seen the doc, that portion of the bill would have been around $500--for a PA to do it, it was probably more like $250, but everything costs more in the ED. I can believe $60-100 for an urgent care or outpatient office visit stitches.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at May 31, 2015 11:48 PM (b2cFu)

434 433 >> ... I can believe $60-100 for an urgent care or outpatient office visit stitches.
 
CC, I have a clinic membership, which runs me $25 a month. For that, I get unlimited visits for $15 each, low low cost lab work, and prices like $60 for minor stitches or lancing boils or removing moles.
 
It's a good deal for me, as I have no health insurance.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 31, 2015 11:54 PM (CUfQt)

435 CC, I have a clinic membership, which runs me $25 a month. For that, I get unlimited visits for $15 each, low low cost lab work, and prices like $60 for minor stitches or lancing boils or removing moles. It's a good deal for me, as I have no health insurance. Posted by: GnuBreed at June 01, 2015 04:54 AM (CUfQt) Which is the kind of sh*t the AMA and Obama should have encouraged if they want universal coverage. Frankly, I would love it if we would revert to health insurance as initially conceived--catastrophic coverage with routine care paid out of pocket. Once you have direct payment by consumers and cut out all the insurance entities and people who work in offices/hospitals doing nothing but gaming the system for reimbursement from insurance, more competition kicks in and cost of care goes down while quality likely improves. Now, if you want concierge medicine, where you pay a fee to belong to a clinic or practice in exchange for special rates or availability, I'm all for it. Hell, I helped write a position paper for it for the AMA student ethics committee in support of it.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 12:01 AM (b2cFu)

436 And while I'm fantasizing about real reform in medicine, I'd like to repeal EMTALA which states I have to treat any damn fool who walks in the ER for any damn reason regardless of ability to pay (technically they are entitled to a medical screening exam to exclude life-threatening problems, but in practice it really means what I said above). If you could charge idiot parents $50 cash up front per kid for bringing in their brat pack with runny noses at 3 in the morning, you'd see a lot less of the meaningless bullsh*t clogging up the ER.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 12:04 AM (b2cFu)

437 435, 436 Posted by : CC
 
Amen. EMTALA is essentially slavery imho. You're forced to work for free, basically. And that is bullshit. And your position on some minimum charge is absolutely true. Here's a real life example, from a totally different realm:
 
A local casino had a free poker tourney once a week. You had to arrive two hours early to assure a spot. Some spots were taken by actual street bums; lots of retirees too. After a few months, the casino decided to impose a $5 fee to play in it. Suddenly, now you could walk in 10 minutes before the start and get a spot.
 
That $5 fee totally changed the nature of the tourney. The players were more serious. The kamikazees were gone. The room smelled better, too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 01, 2015 12:23 AM (CUfQt)

438 My former employer would charge $5 for a ticket to the Christmas (excuse me, "Holiday") party.

I reduced the waste from folks not showing up.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at June 01, 2015 12:30 AM (V70Uh)

439 I wish I knew the source for this, but on the topic of medical costs. The inflation adjusted cost for delivery of child in the hospital, including all doctor fees and a 3-4 day stay (standard in the 1960s), would have still been under $1000 in 2010. Actual current cost--low 5 figures, or just under a year's pay of full-time minimum wage. And that's for a 48 hour stay and assuming no complications.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 12:35 AM (b2cFu)

440 Want to see the cost of anything skyrocket? Get the gov to start subsidize it. I believe it was Phyllis Schlaffly of Eagle Forum who showed a graph about 20 years ago that showed education, medical and I believe one other area. When the gov got involved it looked like, dare I say, a hockey stick.

Posted by: teej at June 01, 2015 12:46 AM (qyZxC)

441 I'd still vote for Paul over anything the Democrats have to offer. And I'd prefer Paul over Jeb, or Krispie, or The Huck, or Miss Lindsey. However, since I can't say I'm a Republican anymore ... I'll just sit back and see what candidate they come up with.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 01, 2015 12:52 AM (Rw8Ov)

442 Incidentally, reminded of something I heard on radio driving in to work this evening. Guy by the name of John Sustina (sp?) has a local radio show here, been a financial planner for something near 50 years, seems fairly conservative because every week he and his compatriots are shredding Obamacare, porkulus, QE, etc. Guy has a total blind spot on SS. He got called on this by a caller because he denied SS was an entitlement, and was even able to articulate that workers now pay for generations before. But he says he paid into it and now he wants his share, he deserves it, and hates means testing. Don't know that I've ever disagreed with anything he's said on his show before, but that one made me see red.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 12:52 AM (b2cFu)

443 441 I'd still vote for Paul over anything the Democrats have to offer. And I'd prefer Paul over Jeb, or Krispie, or The Huck, or Miss Lindsey. However, since I can't say I'm a Republican anymore ... I'll just sit back and see what candidate they come up with. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 01, 2015 05:52 AM (Rw8Ov) Rand Paul gets my Anyone But Hillary! vote, but nothing else. Love the ideas of rolling back federal government and cutting spending, but cannot square the circle with what I perceive would be a disastrously disengaged foreign policy.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 12:53 AM (b2cFu)

444 Crank ... I do not see, given my basic lack of faith in human nature, how are can possibly roll back Federal Government WITHOUT rolling back the size of our military ... and thus our influence in Global Affairs. Any government, composed of mere mortals, that wields the power to influence Foreign Affairs WILL seek to use power in the Domestic Sphere.

Posted by: ScoggDog at June 01, 2015 12:59 AM (Rw8Ov)

445 ***Plus you also have the fact that his PAC just released a Birther attack on Ted Cruz.*** Uh, that was a SuperPAC that released that ad, by definition not associated with the campaign. So, are you a liar, a Bush supporter, or simply grossly misinformed...?

Posted by: OJ Simpson at June 01, 2015 01:05 AM (wuOQ2)

446 444 Crank ... I do not see, given my basic lack of faith in human nature, how are can possibly roll back Federal Government WITHOUT rolling back the size of our military ... and thus our influence in Global Affairs. Any government, composed of mere mortals, that wields the power to influence Foreign Affairs WILL seek to use power in the Domestic Sphere. Posted by: ScoggDog at June 01, 2015 05:59 AM (Rw8Ov) I give you Eisenhower and Reagan. More importantly, I give you the 2nd, 3rd, 9th and 10th Amendments, which if properly interpreted bar the federal government from using its military power domestically, bar it from usurping state prerogatives which are necessarily more limited, and give the citizens the means to deal decisively with tyrannical overreach.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 01:08 AM (b2cFu)

447 Uh, that was a SuperPAC that released that ad, by definition not associated with the campaign. So, are you a liar, a Bush supporter, or simply grossly misinformed...? Posted by: OJ Simpson at June 01, 2015 06:05 AM (wuOQ2) That's a charmingly naive view of SuperPACs. I also fail to see how defending Cruz or attacking Paul is a move that supports Bush. The Venn diagram of people that support Paul and support Bush is one with precious little overlap.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 01:10 AM (b2cFu)

448 That should have been "Venn diagram of people that support Cruz and support Bush"

Posted by: Conservative Crank at June 01, 2015 01:11 AM (b2cFu)

449 Let's see. Iraq Syria and Libya were some of the most virulently anti Israel nation states in the neighborhood. Now they are unincorporated tribals zones engulfed in sectarian violence. Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are obligated to protect Shia being subject to Sunni mauraders. Nothing to see here. Move along. Personally I agree with the strategy, btw.

Posted by: Anthropology Guy at June 01, 2015 03:10 AM (h0W5Q)

450 Iraq Syria and Libya were secular modern (relatively) nation states. Now they are tribal zones adhering 6th tactics and awash in religious fervor. Their moon is in retrograde. That didn't happen in a vacuum.

Posted by: Anthropology Guy at June 01, 2015 03:20 AM (h0W5Q)

451 This Maetenloch fellow might need more medication, sounds like he\she didn't even watch the setup prior to those Paul remarks. btw does Lindsey Gramnesty some how get a pass for saying the reverse (first) - you know what Paul was asked to respond too?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 01, 2015 04:11 AM (MbrzC)

452 matenloch should vote for his intellectual twin Rick Perry then.

Posted by: X at June 01, 2015 06:35 AM (xGNLA)

453 Oh hell no, Dread Zep is teh awesome, and Robert Plant thinks so as well.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNSSpXapks0

Posted by: Bob in Houston at June 01, 2015 08:07 AM (b7AU3)

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