July 30, 2016

Overnight Open Thread (30 Jul 2016)
— CDR M

The two giant reasons the IRS is investigating the Clinton Foundation. The investigation won't be complete before the election and in the end, I'm sure they'll trot out the Hillary Defense and say no reasonable prosecutor would file charges. Kabuki theater. Hollywood

Luc Besson guilty of plagiarizing Escape From New York, will pay $500K to John Carpenter.

Heh. Chinese Film The Great Wall bashed for starring white man Matt Damon. Reap what you sow Hollywood.

Car Accident of the Day

Oh sure, blame the GPS when we all know it was Pokemon Go. Car nearly ends up vertical after driver swerves ferociously in response to GPS.

Sweet Set Up

Hackers

Heh. Clinton campaign also hacked in attacks on Democrats. I'm going to put on my tin foil hat now and say this will end up being a false flag op in order to put the blame on Trump after his statement earlier this week. They desperately want to say that he is inciting hackers to hack on his behalf.

Iowa Class Battleship vs Bismarck Class

Nazi Germany's Battleship Bismarck vs America's Iowa class. Who wins?

Goalie Pains

SR-71

World's fastest jet crew reunited with the SR-71 Blackbird.

Social Media

Well, they do advocate for politicians that rail against this sort of thing. Facebook could get hit with $3B to $5B tax bill.

Oh Twitter. Evidently some speech is more free than others. Conservative writer Kassy Dillon suspended from Twitter for repeating Leslie Jones.

Juxtaposition of the Day

FBI chief warns 'Terrorist diaspora' will come to the West.

And then this. Top Homeland Security Dem: We should 'not close our borders'.
h/t

Cat Video

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1 hai

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 30, 2016 05:31 PM (/pUiX)

2 First? Nah. Can't be.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 05:31 PM (ZihpT)

3 El Archipiélago de Gulag Venezuela continues down it's path as a "socialist paradise" that other "socialist paradises" have trod down before More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=12094

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 30, 2016 05:32 PM (vBeA5)

4 Howdy, y'all!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 05:33 PM (EzgxV)

5 Woot woot ONT baby!

Posted by: Mis. Hum at July 30, 2016 05:33 PM (voOPb)

6 The Scott Sterling bit is freaking laugh riot.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 05:33 PM (Xjbjx)

7 Awesome ONT. Thanks CDR M

Posted by: Mis. Hum at July 30, 2016 05:35 PM (voOPb)

8 Nice ONT M....

The Iowa is the best battleship class ever made and unlikely to be topped period given the idiocies of modern theory in some respects....

they'll try to mount drones on canoes before they build serious warships again.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:36 PM (SzZnW)

9 The IRS investigating anything Hillary does is like my Mom investigating me..... "Molly isn't a drunk, she just drinks too much"

Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 05:37 PM (shN0m)

10 Posted by: The Political Hat at July 30, 2016 10:32 PM (vBeA5)



How can you keep them down on the farm after they've seen Caracas!


Food shortages and a police state help a lot!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 05:37 PM (wYnyS)

11 Ack. The conclusion of Iowa v. Bismarck article is silly. He states Iowa wins because longer range radar so it would damage Bismarck before Bismarck got close enough for its radar. Agh. Those long LONG range shots are inaccurate - even with radar assisstance. If the BBs are closing they'll both be close for radar not to matter after very few minutes. Iowa probably has better armor so it has the edge but it's not 100% sure who'll win.

Posted by: ArthurK at July 30, 2016 05:37 PM (h53OH)

12 Donkey party will not rest until they make the US look like 1981 Beirut...

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:37 PM (SzZnW)

13 Luc Besson guilty of plagiarizing Escape From New York, will pay $500K to John Carpenter. Heh. Lockout actually wasn't half-bad, and Guy Pierce looked OK as a Snake-Plissken rip-off.

Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 05:37 PM (cC/ZB)

14 It is crazy that the Clinton Foundation was not one of Hillary's notable "achievements" in the convention. Makes it seem this is a corrupt organization or something

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 30, 2016 05:38 PM (/22Vh)

15 11 Posted by: ArthurK at July 30, 2016 10:37 PM (h53OH)

It *is* silly to a degree, that said Iowa would start landing accurate fire before the WunderKrieg period....

Add in the extra speed coupled with the better armor and the ONLY way Bismarck can win is luck.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:38 PM (SzZnW)

16 The people that crash into things following their nav system. Do they wear blindfolds? And will they vote for Hillary if if the nav system says to?

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 05:38 PM (BZey7)

17 Howdy. Cat taking a dump in pure animal training genius.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 05:40 PM (9ym/8)

18 read the sr-71 story. they forgot the part where brian williams and hillary flew that sucker around the world in ten minutes without refueling. at 300,000 feet.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 05:41 PM (KP5rU)

19 17 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:40 PM (9ym/

My ex, she was a witch...no I mean literally she was a witch.

She could make cats beg...

you could see it in my cat's eyes "shoot me...this is UNNATURAL!"

Thank God I ran away from Ohio.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:42 PM (SzZnW)

20 "Iowa" were pure "battleships." Most of the German fleet were battle-cruisers and commerce raiders. Didn't have the armor of American or Japanese battleships.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 05:43 PM (9ym/8)

21 I know there are a lot of cat lovers on here but I'm not. The first thing I thought when I saw the cat taking a dump was " quick! slam the lid and flush" It's not that I'm cruel but cats HATE me. Dogs love me. I have a long memory

Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 05:43 PM (shN0m)

22 Venezuela continues down it's path as a "socialist paradise" that other "socialist paradises" have trod down before
Never go full Khmer Rouge.

Posted by: Puddleglum is on vacation, Weeeee at July 30, 2016 05:44 PM (rJxzw)

23 18 Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 10:41 PM (KP5rU)

We've all been there....

//James Kimber

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:44 PM (SzZnW)

24 14: It is crazy that the Clinton Foundation was not one of Hillary's notable "achievements" in the convention. Makes it seem this is a corrupt organization or something Posted by: BacktoGA ________ Excellent point. That never crossed my mind.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 05:44 PM (ZihpT)

25 Besson's "Lucy" was lame.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 30, 2016 05:44 PM (/pUiX)

26 Slapweasel, if you're here, what exactly was the deal with Billy Butler tonight? I didn't catch the whole thing.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 30, 2016 05:45 PM (FQKBL)

27 Face Book IRS problems? Geez my heart pumps piss for them.

Posted by: Mis. Hum at July 30, 2016 05:45 PM (voOPb)

28 brian had pop tarts for breakfast. the beast had the sharts.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 05:45 PM (KP5rU)

29 Yeah well at least Hillary still has the Koch brothers in her corner.


The Koch network has previously said they will not back Republican candidate Donald Trump, but on Saturday officials told reporters that they would not run negative Clinton spots, a position taken by some Republican groups that are uneasy with the controversial GOP standard-bearer.

#nevertrump continues to tear away the masks.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 05:46 PM (uOzII)

30 About Incirlik, I sincerely hope these rumors of a strong police presence there are about the VIP supposed to be visiting there tomorrow (today). Or else, what are they there for? Intimidation? Trying to force a NATO breech? Getting those nukes at Incirlik?

Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 05:46 PM (cC/ZB)

31 "you could see it in my cat's eyes "shoot me...this is UNNATURAL!" Ah, wives. I wish I was your cat.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 05:47 PM (9ym/8)

32 jumping to the bottom again

Posted by: Jake at July 30, 2016 05:47 PM (v+nPg)

33 investigating anything Hillary does is like my Mom investigating me..... "Molly isn't a drunk, she just drinks too much" Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 10:37 PM (shN0m) ......On occasion Speaking from personal experience

Posted by: Mis. Hum at July 30, 2016 05:48 PM (voOPb)

34 20 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:43 PM (9ym/

Eh "yes", thing is arguably the South Dakota class was a "purer battleship" but the Iowas were hotrods....


Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:49 PM (SzZnW)

35 we were great once. sr-71, the moon, anything that needed done. today, we can't build a fuckin sewer line. thanks alot you commie bastards.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 05:49 PM (KP5rU)

36 31 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:47 PM (9ym/

Well (arguably) a common law wife...thank God...

no contested divorce and all that....

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 05:50 PM (SzZnW)

37 Hat, have you been following the PanAm Post for your English language Venezuelan news?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zdu57es

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 05:50 PM (ry34m)

38 Thanks for the ONT.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 05:51 PM (3ZoRf)

39 I'd have rather easily scored a comment "first" here, as I tripped across the refresh at just exactly the right moment. But, alas....I'm fully incapable of passing up any kind of SR-71 article, and so, here I am. Damn good ONT, too. Now, I'm off to read about battleships. THIS is a moron-worthy gun thread, after all! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 05:52 PM (v5iqM)

40 Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 10:43 PM (shN0m) Cats hate most people except for their primary care givers. Those they just tolerate

Posted by: Mis. Hum at July 30, 2016 05:52 PM (voOPb)

41 My friend, Luke, lives!
I prayed for him and Monica today.
Perhaps, now, he could quit doing crazy shit and concentrate on being a good dad...

http://tinyurl.com/hu78d7y

Posted by: ChrisP at July 30, 2016 05:53 PM (+Rx/T)

42 "Eh "yes", thing is arguably the South Dakota class was a "purer battleship" but the Iowas were hotrods...." Your distinctions? Not arguing. Just asking.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 05:53 PM (9ym/8)

43 The SJWs are upset that Gal Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman. Because she is Israeli. What a bunch of assholes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 05:53 PM (3ZoRf)

44 17 Howdy.



Cat taking a dump in pure animal training genius.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:40 PM (9ym/

++++

Looking at the angle of things in that photo, I would say the cat's training is incomplete.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 30, 2016 05:54 PM (R+30W)

45 "no contested divorce and all that...." *wipes brow"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 05:54 PM (9ym/8)

46 Iowa versus Bismarck? Seriously? Who cares about that German second-rate battleship? The important match would be USS Iowa versus IJN Yamato. And while I've never sat down to run the numbers, I suspect that the Yamato might very well have been able to handle the Iowa. Oh, and the author conjectures that having to pull USN assets out of the Pacific to hunt down the Bismarck would have delayed Coral Sea and Midway. Someone should tell that idiot writer that Coral Sea and Midway were instigated by the *Japanese*, not the US. So pulling USN assets out of the Pacific wouldn't have delayed the dates at all.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 05:54 PM (Xt19I)

47 I don't recall "Escape from New York" being sui generis but I guess Carpenter needs the money these days.  He's one of those guys like Tim Burton, where I liked his early stuff but then he got on the remake train and turned into a hobo.

I like pretty much all I've seen of Luc Besson's films.  I thought Lucy was excellent.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 30, 2016 05:54 PM (AroJD)

48 47 I don't recall "Escape from New York" being sui generis but I guess Carpenter needs the money these days. He's one of those guys like Tim Burton, where I liked his early stuff but then he got on the remake train and turned into a hobo. I like pretty much all I've seen of Luc Besson's films. I thought Lucy was excellent. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 30, 2016 10:54 PM (AroJD) I think escape could be really good as a remake. It is a movie that kind of cries out for a bigger budget than what it was made for. It could suck, but I would like to see it well done.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 05:56 PM (3ZoRf)

49 Chavez the hugo @ 35 - Is there an accounting of the $800 billion that's going to rebuilding infrastructure? I'm thinking it probably got diverted to some "emergency" something-or-other - but then again, I get cynical sometimes. You mentioned sewer lines, and I'm genuinely curious.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 05:56 PM (ZihpT)

50 Where I used to work, one of the sales people told me she and her husband were asleep when they heard someone urinating in the toilet.  This happened a couple of nights in a row.  They were pretty freaked out by it.

Turns out it was the cat.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 30, 2016 05:56 PM (AroJD)

51 SCOOOTT STERLIIIIING!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 05:57 PM (0mRoj)

52 So, is the sidebar article saying that nosepickers are merely mining for antibiotics?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 05:57 PM (EzgxV)

53 50 Where I used to work, one of the sales people told me she and her husband were asleep when they heard someone urinating in the toilet. This happened a couple of nights in a row. They were pretty freaked out by it. Turns out it was the cat. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 30, 2016 10:56 PM (AroJD) If he flushed too, that would freak me out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 05:57 PM (3ZoRf)

54 Hrmph.  Got a LinkedIn invite on my secondary email that I basically never use for someone whose name is unfamiliar.  That's not even an address that should be "in the wild".  Wonder how that happened...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at July 30, 2016 05:57 PM (vyqqu)

55 16 The people that crash into things following their nav system. Do they wear blindfolds? And will they vote for Hillary if if the nav system says to? Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 10:38 PM (BZey7) My cousin's husband, local cop, told me that one of the local cops pulled a guy over for going the wrong way on a one way street. The reason? The guy's GPS told them to go down the street, and because of that he shouldn't get a ticket even though he knew it was a one way street because the GPS told him. That is why Obama won.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 05:58 PM (1JnAL)

56 Went to the Reagan Library today. Great place. Had to quietly laugh at one of the displays. Apparently the press used to give Nancy Reagan grief about the cost of her outfits. That lasted until she showed up to an event in a hideous looking affair, and sang a silly song about second-hand clothes. They had the outfit that she wore to the event on display.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 05:58 PM (Xt19I)

57 you ever see one finished in your town? that's what i'm talkin about.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 05:58 PM (KP5rU)

58 That Carpenter thing sounds like bullshit to me. Haven't they ever heard of the doctrine of scenes a faire? How do you have a prison infiltration and breakout movie without, you know, showing infiltration and breakout? People need to suck it up.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 05:59 PM (0mRoj)

59 Meningitis outbreaks among gay men have experts puzzled Gladstein, who is also an HIV specialist, said he thinks that the cases are likely among men who have multiple sexual partners, engage in anonymous sex and use drugs that make them more susceptible. It's a particular sub-population of gay men, Gladstein said. http://goo.gl/qu7Pwo ================ Sub population? Who do they think they are fooling!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 05:59 PM (iQIUe)

60 54 Hrmph. Got a LinkedIn invite on my secondary email that I basically never use for someone whose name is unfamiliar. That's not even an address that should be "in the wild". Wonder how that happened... Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (vyqqu) Linkedin is relentless.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 05:59 PM (3ZoRf)

61 Erev Tov, Horde!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at July 30, 2016 05:59 PM (kP16F)

62 Kateurday ONT Compliance Pics https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759418330629287936 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759418473663467520 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759418618811559936 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759418755428462593

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2016 05:59 PM (GrXXa)

63 43 The SJWs are upset that Gal Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman. Because she is Israeli. What a bunch of assholes. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 10:53 PM (3ZoRf) Probably more upset that they didn't cast Melissa Etheridge or Caitlyn Jenner.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:00 PM (1JnAL)

64 "Oh, and the author conjectures that having to pull USN assets out of the Pacific to hunt down the Bismarck would have delayed Coral Sea and Midway. Someone should tell that idiot writer that Coral Sea and Midway were instigated by the *Japanese*, not the US. So pulling USN assets out of the Pacific wouldn't have delayed the dates at all. " The Bismark was sunk in May of 1941. We weren't even the war at that time? What the fcuk is he/she talking about?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 06:00 PM (9ym/8)

65 More Kateurday ONT Compliance Pics https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759418887683190784 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759419107980611587 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759419259592204288 https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/759419392387985408

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2016 06:01 PM (GrXXa)

66 There is always a reason to show up in the ONT on Saturday!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:01 PM (3ZoRf)

67 Or else, what are they there for? Intimidation? Trying to force a NATO breech? Getting those nukes at Incirlik? Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 10:46 PM (cC/ZB) Did you read the story over at Weaselzippers? Apparently the consulate at Adana was surrounded by protesters chanting anti American slogans. I'm feeling flashbacks to 1979.

Posted by: Moki at July 30, 2016 06:01 PM (ezHMO)

68 44 17 Howdy.



Cat taking a dump in pure animal training genius.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:40 PM (9ym/

++++

Looking at the angle of things in that photo, I would say the cat's training is incomplete.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 30, 2016 10:54 PM (R+30W)


And the position of the tail.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 06:01 PM (EzgxV)

69 45 "no contested divorce and all that...." .................. Ha! Today I happened upon some papers that told me the day and year my divorce was final. Turns out it was 13 yrs ago. I honest to God had not idea. I was thinking maybe 6 or 7. I also thought I was married for 7 yrs and it turns out I was married for 10. I'm awful with numbers and time flies.

Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 06:02 PM (shN0m)

70 Sink The Bismarck

Shoot!   Fire!

Dana Wynter

bunk

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 30, 2016 06:03 PM (JO9+V)

71 The important match would be USS Iowa versus IJN Yamato. And while I've never sat down to run the numbers, I suspect that the Yamato might very well have been able to handle the Iowa. === Considering it could fly through space and was armed with lasers, I don't think there's any question about that.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:04 PM (LdMbv)

72 As for the latest Clinton crime family investigation, how many ways are there to say the rule of law was ignored, but there is no crime because <insert your favorite Clinton> did not have the requisite intent???  As Joseph Heller may have written:  For a crime to exist one must knowingly break the law.  The Clintons know the rule of law does not apply to the Clintons.  Thus, the Clintons can never knowingly break the law.  Ergo, no crime exists.

Posted by: Locke Common at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (1iqqd)

73 Posted by: Moki at July 30, 2016 11:01 PM (ezHMO)

Darn good thing that Turkey is a NATO ally, right! After all what could possibly go wrong in an islamic country!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (wYnyS)

74 I leave my semen at the scene of a crime.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (Xjbjx)

75 "In May of nineteen forty-one the war had just begun"

Posted by: Chuck C at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (h99GH)

76 @63 43 The SJWs are upset that Gal Gadot was cast as Wonder Woman. Because she is Israeli. What a bunch of assholes. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 10:53 PM (3ZoRf) Probably more upset that they didn't cast Melissa Etheridge or Caitlyn Jenner. ------------------------ Actually, I heard that Trigglypuff was their actress of choice.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (Xt19I)

77 71 The important match would be USS Iowa versus IJN Yamato. And while I've never sat down to run the numbers, I suspect that the Yamato might very well have been able to handle the Iowa. === Considering it could fly through space and was armed with lasers, I don't think there's any question about that. Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2016 11:04 PM (LdMbv) Not much can stand up to the wave motion gun.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (0mRoj)

78 Is there an accounting of the $800 billion that's going to rebuilding infrastructure? I'm thinking it probably got diverted to some "emergency" something-or-other - but then again, I get cynical sometimes. You mentioned sewer lines, and I'm genuinely curious. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 10:56 PM (ZihpT) That $800B infrastructure spending didn't go at all for infrastructure rebuilding, it went to government employees to shore up their retirement accounts and higher salaries. They have done some building with the money. Here in Roanoke they spent over $60M renovating the federal office building. A building that would have cost $50M to replace with a new building and tear the old one down.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:06 PM (1JnAL)

79 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 10:53 PM (3ZoRf)

And pure jealousy.

There is no SJW who is even close to as good looking as Gal Gadot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 06:07 PM (Zu3d9)

80 OT, Bigby, response to your train question is on the chess thread, comment 286.

Posted by: JTB at July 30, 2016 06:07 PM (V+03K)

81 54 Hrmph. Got a LinkedIn invite on my secondary email that I basically never use for someone whose name is unfamiliar. That's not even an address that should be "in the wild". Wonder how that happened...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, That Guy at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (vyqqu)



Social mapping by Big Brother (some combination of the NSA, CIA, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, or Twitter).

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 06:07 PM (EzgxV)

82 They have done some building with the money. Here in Roanoke they spent over $60M renovating the federal office building. A building that would have cost $50M to replace with a new building and tear the old one down. === But that would have created real jobs for a year or so and not phoney jobs for 3 months.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:08 PM (LdMbv)

83 andycanuck @ 71 wins.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:08 PM (ZihpT)

84 And pure jealousy. There is no SJW who is even close to as good looking as Gal Gadot. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 11:07 PM (Zu3d9) That's the God's honest truth. Mmmmm.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:09 PM (3ZoRf)

85 Are you waiting for Gadot?

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:09 PM (LdMbv)

86 35 we were great once. sr-71, the moon, anything that needed done. today, we can't build a fuckin sewer line. thanks alot you commie bastards. Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 30, 2016 10:49 PM (KP5rU) The natural order of things is for a hereditary noble class ruling the peasants. The combination of Christianity and capitalism created a fiercely independent middle class which was self-governing and had no need for rulers. You don't think we're going to put up with that, do you?

Posted by: George Soros at July 30, 2016 06:09 PM (sdi6R)

87 85 Are you waiting for Gadot? Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2016 11:09 PM (LdMbv) Spoiler: Gadot never shows up.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:09 PM (0mRoj)

88 Actually, I heard that Trigglypuff was their actress of choice. Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 11:06 PM (Xt19I) Well that explains their understandable disappointment in her being cast.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:10 PM (1JnAL)

89 ""In May of nineteen forty-one the war had just begun" Poland, France, and, Britain are like *WTF*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 06:10 PM (9ym/8)

90 85 Are you waiting for Gadot? Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2016 11:09 PM (LdMbv) Yep.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:10 PM (3ZoRf)

91 88 Actually, I heard that Trigglypuff was their actress of choice. Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 11:06 PM (Xt19I) Well that explains their understandable disappointment in her being cast. Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 11:10 PM (1JnAL) They were paying by the pound and that would have put them way over budget.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:10 PM (0mRoj)

92 Screw you, Insomniac! I guess that's one video I can throw away now.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:11 PM (LdMbv)

93 If he flushed too, that would freak me out.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (3ZoRf)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2W8XKK-3Rk

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 06:12 PM (ry34m)

94 92 Screw you, Insomniac! I guess that's one video I can throw away now. Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2016 11:11 PM (LdMbv) It's not my fault. Take it up with Samuel Beckett.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:12 PM (0mRoj)

95 Poland, France, and, Britain are like *WTF* Not to mention Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Finland, and the USSR.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 30, 2016 06:12 PM (3C9q2)

96 I am just hoping the trailers are representative of the wonder woman movie. It actually looks like it might be entertaining and not be a black hole of despair and "grittiness."

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:12 PM (3ZoRf)

97 96 I am just hoping the trailers are representative of the wonder woman movie. It actually looks like it might be entertaining and not be a black hole of despair and "grittiness." Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:12 PM (3ZoRf) Something that doesn't imitate life, in other words.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:13 PM (0mRoj)

98 Not to mention Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Finland, and the USSR. Posted by: Basement Cat What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Czechoslovakia at July 30, 2016 06:13 PM (UPYhp)

99 42 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 10:53 PM (9ym/

Doctrinal mission windows.

In theory the Iowa was an "escort battleship" built to provide protection and screening for the Essex class, as such she was never really intended to be the "queen of her flotilla" the South Dakotas OTOH were the centerpiece of theirs.

It is in practice as was the case in real life a distinction with little difference IMHO.

Iowa was really an evolution of the departures from historic norms in the "triangle balance" in  Capital Ship Theory that South Dakota started.

Prior to the SD class US theory was a Capital Ship had to be armored to survive its own weapons suite, and would sacrifice speed for lethality....

the SD Class and Iowa OTOH were not armored to endure their 16 inchers, and would not go below certain speed thresholds.

The SD design was finalized when the BB was still considered the "centerpiece" and the CV was the faster than battleline screening platform and recon wing, by the time the Iowa was being gamed out it was generally understood the future of naval aviation was at a minimum to be an independent force, if not the centerpiece of doctrine.

Iowa's 16 inchers were a better weapon by a nose than the SDs, fire control was the same, protection was the same, in the end the SDs were the beginning of the end of the BB dominance.

Iowa was tied in largely with the CV groups b/c she had to be given her raw speed....the SDs engaged in more activity in the war than the Iowa class and had actual engagements with enemy vessels.

It just seems to me that in practice the Iowa class wound up being a different animal YMMV and no disrespect intended.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:14 PM (SzZnW)

100 Is it safe to say that Nasa Dillon isn't a sassy, black dude?

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 30, 2016 06:14 PM (6n332)

101 Something that doesn't imitate life, in other words. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:13 PM (0mRoj) Yes, your point? Do you go to superhero movies for 'realism'? If so, getting frozen in ice does not put you into suspended animation.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:15 PM (3ZoRf)

102 But that would have created real jobs for a year or so and not phoney jobs for 3 months. Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2016 11:08 PM (LdMbv) Oh, the renovation continues into its 6th year. That $60M continues to climb as the GSA makes the building more "green". Again, energy efficiency that would have been surpassed with a new building.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:16 PM (1JnAL)

103 Blame Johnny Horton, not me.

Posted by: Chuck C at July 30, 2016 06:16 PM (h99GH)

104 Finally figured out who HRC is: Her Royal Cooch.

Posted by: t-bird at July 30, 2016 06:17 PM (jO7js)

105 Posted by: George Soros at July 30, 2016 11:09 PM (sdi6R)



I prefer to call it "bad luck"!

Posted by: Zombie Robert A Heinlein [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 06:17 PM (wYnyS)

106 AJPS @ 78 - Thanks! I thought there was something non-infrastructure that sucked some of those funds. (I never studied law at Harvard, so my layman's understanding of "roads and bridges" is probably different than what President Obama means when he says it. I'm trying though. Saw "Legally Blonde" a few dozen times. I think it's helping.)

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:17 PM (ZihpT)

107 Insomniac, I sent you my job advice, FWIW.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at July 30, 2016 06:17 PM (hyuyC)

108 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:15 PM (3ZoRf) Black hole of despair.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:17 PM (0mRoj)

109 Is Cameron going to be sued by the makers of Dances With Wolves? I'm sure I can think of a dozen other movies that are as similar as EFNY and Lockout are similar.

Posted by: Whoopie Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 06:18 PM (MNgU2)

110 The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 30, 2016 06:18 PM (OF/aZ)

111 108 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:15 PM (3ZoRf) Black hole of despair. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:17 PM (0mRoj) Black Hole was cool for the ship, but kind of a downer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:18 PM (3ZoRf)

112 109 Is Cameron going to be sued by the makers of Dances With Wolves? I'm sure I can think of a dozen other movies that are as similar as EFNY and Lockout are similar. Posted by: Whoopie Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 11:18 PM (MNgU2) Last Samurai? Dances with Samurai anyone?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:19 PM (3ZoRf)

113 Saw "Legally Blonde" a few dozen times. I think it's helping.) Posted by: FireHorse I prefer the porn version, "Barely Legally Blonde." It has a happier ending.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 06:19 PM (UPYhp)

114 107 Insomniac, I sent you my job advice, FWIW. Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 30, 2016 11:17 PM (hyuyC) Thank you, I'll check it out. I was having some difficulty with my emails getting delivery failure messages.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:19 PM (0mRoj)

115 Wow haven't used the IPad in awhile. Old sock still there.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 06:20 PM (MNgU2)

116 So, sven, "Iowa" were designed for carrier escort and not necessarily mano-y-mano battleship fights. "Iowa was tied in largely with the CV groups b/c she had to be given her raw speed....the SDs engaged in more activity in the war than the Iowa class and had actual engagements with enemy vessels. It just seems to me that in practice the Iowa class wound up being a different animal YMMV and no disrespect intended."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 06:20 PM (9ym/8)

117 115 Wow haven't used the IPad in awhile. Old sock still there. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 11:20 PM (MNgU2) Might be kind of rank.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:20 PM (3ZoRf)

118 Black Hole was cool for the ship, but kind of a downer. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:18 PM (3ZoRf) True. I can't believe it was pitched at kids. That movie was pretty dark.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:20 PM (0mRoj)

119 The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns ----------------- Did they have a ship bigger than the Tirpitz? Because the Tirpitz was not the biggest battleship built during World War 2.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 06:21 PM (Xt19I)

120 Avatar has been accused of being SciFi Dances With Wolves.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 06:21 PM (MNgU2)

121 True. I can't believe it was pitched at kids. That movie was pretty dark. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:20 PM (0mRoj) Still loved the ship as a kid. Plus, even as a kid, the droid moments were groan worthy. You know an odd thing, as a kid I thought Vincent was voiced by a woman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:22 PM (3ZoRf)

122 If he flushed too, that would freak me out. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (3ZoRf) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2W8XKK-3Rk I played that video-- my dude cat jumped up to watch it and then headed for the bathroom. Luckily he contented himself with just looking into the toilet. I wonder how many kittehs get ideas from YouTube cat videos.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 30, 2016 06:22 PM (3C9q2)

123 Oh. They went the full Monty then, MrCaniac. Just like Quebec here.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:22 PM (LdMbv)

124 Did they have a ship bigger than the Tirpitz? Because the Tirpitz was not the biggest battleship built during World War 2. Posted by: junior I'm pretty sure the Yamamoto and Musashi were the biggest battleships.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 06:23 PM (UPYhp)

125 @118 Black Hole was cool for the ship, but kind of a downer. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:18 PM (3ZoRf) True. I can't believe it was pitched at kids. That movie was pretty dark. ------------------- I remember watching it when I was a kid. I suppose I might like it better now. It had Disney's name on it, and kind of like cartoon movies about rabbits (hint - don't show Watership Down to little kids), it probably would have been hard to convince parents that The Black Hole wasn't a safe bet for the kiddies.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 06:23 PM (Xt19I)

126 Yeah, I've lifted finger prints using cyanoacrylate, my own fingerprints.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 06:24 PM (ZxmMG)

127 106 AJPS @ 78 -

Thanks! I thought there was something non-infrastructure that sucked some of those funds.

(I never studied law at Harvard, so my layman's understanding of "roads and bridges" is probably different than what President Obama means when he says it. I'm trying though. Saw "Legally Blonde" a few dozen times. I think it's helping.)

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:17 PM (ZihpT)



The money got washed into "the government-connected". A whole bunch went to Universities, think-tanks, and NGOs, along with SBA grants, food stamps, and section 8 vouchers. They say "infrastructure" like it will be a real worthwhile levy where one needs to be built, or a real bridge between two places tired of driving to the next one....but it always turns into a slush fund for people who hire expensive lobbyists -- or, of course, "donate" to The Clinton Foundation.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 06:24 PM (EzgxV)

128 @124 I'm pretty sure the Yamamoto and Musashi were the biggest battleships. ---------------------- That would be correct. And the Shinano was probably the biggest aircraft carrier at the time. For all the good it did.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 06:24 PM (Xt19I)

129 Because the Tirpitz was not the biggest battleship built during World War 2.

Again, Johnny Horton may not be the soundest source for a research article on naval warfare of WW2.

Posted by: shells as big as trees at July 30, 2016 06:24 PM (rLrEx)

130 It had Disney's name on it, and kind of like cartoon movies about rabbits (hint - don't show Watership Down to little kids), it probably would have been hard to convince parents that The Black Hole wasn't a safe bet for the kiddies. Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 11:23 PM (Xt19I) We watched Watership down in elementary school. When the rabbit went rabid, it was bizarre. Think we missed a lot of the themes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:25 PM (3ZoRf)

131 116 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 11:20 PM (9ym/

Well at a minimum she was designed to "be able to do so" and given the small number of BBs that could run as fast as the CVs it was inevitable they would spend and exert most of their effort in that role....

funny fact, the Navy was sorely tempted in the late 50s to take the rear turret off the SD class boats in an effort to try to get her speed up to 31.5 knots so she could act as a back up CV Fast Carrier Escort to the Iowas....

it was shelved when the rear hull wound up needing reworked.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:25 PM (SzZnW)

132 Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 11:24 PM (EzgxV)


Come on now, your betters need unaccountable study funds to plan the future infrastructure for you!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 06:27 PM (wYnyS)

133 "Did they have a ship bigger than the Tirpitz? Because the Tirpitz was not the biggest battleship built during World War 2. " No. I'll say again the Germans didn't plan on big naval battles for WW2. They were all about stopping the supply train from N.A. They would avoid the Royal and U.S. Navy. That was the game for them.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 06:27 PM (9ym/8)

134 Tyrus one of the guests on Greg Gutfeld's show tonight mentioned a story the msm will bury.

"Father of black teen killed by Jefferson Parish Louisiana deputy: I don't blame the deputy"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j9fz72d

Link to WZ so it probably was mentioned on AoSHQ earlier.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 06:28 PM (BZey7)

135 As the thread has taken a turn toward science fiction, I have a question: Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero? I have my reason; she saved the cat. Besides Jones, she saved herself and an escape pod, and she killed the Alien. But the ship, its cargo and the other six crew members - all gone. Was there something I missed? Was the Alien planning to invade Earth or something? I don't get it.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:28 PM (ZihpT)

136 Y'all need to look up the lyrics to "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton: http://www.metrolyrics.com/sink-the-bismarck-lyrics-johnny-Horton.html Better yet, listen to it... Now get off of my lawn.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 30, 2016 06:28 PM (OF/aZ)

137 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at July 30, 2016 10:54 PM (R+30W)

Hey, did you see my latest response to you in the previous thread?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 06:28 PM (OxsRO)

138 The Japanese also had truly flashless, or very, very low-flash gunpowder, which gave them one hell of an advantage in night engagements. Whereas our "flashless" powder, was still emitting black-powder grade fireballs, all the way till when the last BB was retired. The pre WWII Naval Bureau of Ordnance, wasn't exactly what one would call "aggressive" in pursuit of newer, and in many cases, truly better things. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:28 PM (v5iqM)

139 Luc Besson: Who do I have to pay?

Gary Oldman: Evvvvvveeeeeerrrrrryyyyyyooooonnnneeeeee!!!


Posted by: The Unprofessional at July 30, 2016 06:29 PM (H9MG5)

140 We would have thrown in a few light aircraft carriers in the Atlantic and used torpedo planes to sink the Bismarck .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 06:30 PM (MNgU2)

141 Avatar has been accused of being SciFi Dances With Wolves.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 11:21 PM (MNgU2)


Yep.  Dances With Smurfs. 

Also since it has humanoids with tails, pelt markings, large golden slitted eyes and slinky walks, it was accused of being Furry Porn, too. 

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 06:30 PM (ry34m)

142 138 Posted by: Jim at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (v5iqM)

Neither was Ordnance Branch's Board on the Army side of the equation...

the M1 Garand would have been the M1A1 at inception had they listened to the designer...

There's a reason I said on Ordnance Branch's Birthday when wife was there... "Ordnance fucking the Infantry for 200+ years."

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:30 PM (SzZnW)

143 Good ONT, I hope we have an SR-72. Plagiarizim, everybody is doing it. Hacking, everybody is getting hacked. Battleship v Battleship. I thought the whole idea was to bring your strongest force against your weakest enemy? Why would you want parity in a gunfight?

Posted by: Carl at July 30, 2016 06:30 PM (2b4/v)

144 135 As the thread has taken a turn toward science fiction, I have a question: Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero? I have my reason; she saved the cat. Besides Jones, she saved herself and an escape pod, and she killed the Alien. But the ship, its cargo and the other six crew members - all gone. Was there something I missed? Was the Alien planning to invade Earth or something? I don't get it. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (ZihpT) Weyland Yutani wanted to bring the xenomorph and/or the eggs back to earth for study and economic exploitation, which would have been disastrous.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:31 PM (0mRoj)

145 135 As the thread has taken a turn toward science fiction, I have a question: Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero? I have my reason; she saved the cat. Besides Jones, she saved herself and an escape pod, and she killed the Alien. But the ship, its cargo and the other six crew members - all gone. Was there something I missed? Was the Alien planning to invade Earth or something? I don't get it. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (ZihpT) In the first one she was more protagonist than hero. The second, straight up heroine. The third? Who the hell knows. 24(?!) years on I am still trying to figure out why the director thought that was a good idea.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:31 PM (3ZoRf)

146 >>That would be correct. And the Shinano was probably the >> biggest aircraft carrier at the time. For all the good it did Yamato. But, yeah, 5x as many that are 80% as good wins. US turns around battle damaged CV or BB in 3 months. Japan takes two years. Industrial capacity. Do we still have it?

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 06:31 PM (o+SC1)

147 Duncanthrax at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (OF/aZ) I listened to that song at such a young age, I thought the lyric ..." I know she's gotta be" meant that some young lady had a bee with her ...

Posted by: Adriane the Musical Audience Critic ... at July 30, 2016 06:31 PM (AoK0a)

148 Hasta. *punching out*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 06:32 PM (9ym/8)

149 140 Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 11:30 PM (MNgU2)

It would have been a good mission for the USS Ranger....


Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:32 PM (SzZnW)

150 121 True. I can't believe it was pitched at kids. That movie was pretty dark. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:20 PM (0mRoj) Still loved the ship as a kid. Plus, even as a kid, the droid moments were groan worthy. You know an odd thing, as a kid I thought Vincent was voiced by a woman. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:22 PM (3ZoRf) Ship was very cool. I found Maximilian to be rather intimidating though.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:32 PM (0mRoj)

151 132 Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 11:24 PM (EzgxV)


Come on now, your betters need unaccountable study funds to plan the future infrastructure for you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 30, 2016 11:27 PM (wYnyS)



We need the Rule of Law, a balance of duties, and ways to encourage innovation and prosperity in individuals; we have a Blessed uniparty kleptocracy with fascist tendencies.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 06:32 PM (EzgxV)

152 144: Weyland Yutani wanted to bring the xenomorph and/or the eggs back to earth for study and economic exploitation, which would have been disastrous. Posted by: Insomniac ________ Gotcha. I missed that part. Thanks!

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:32 PM (ZihpT)

153 The third? Who the hell knows. 24(?!) years on I am still trying to figure out why the director thought that was a good idea. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:31 PM (3ZoRf) Alien 3 sucked ass. Absolutely miserable dreck.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:33 PM (0mRoj)

154 Gotcha. I missed that part. Thanks! Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:32 PM (ZihpT) No problemo. Sometimes being a nerd comes in handy!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:34 PM (0mRoj)

155 What the fcuk is he/she talking about? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 11:00 PM (9ym/ --------------------- Talking shiite. However, the US did supply Britain with naval aircraft. These included 200 PBY Catalina patrol aircraft with some aircrew thrown in for good measure. One of these provided PBYs, piloted or co-piloted by US Navy Ensign Leonard Smith spotted the Bismarck on May 26 and reported her location. Smith received the DFC for the mission. There is no known effect on the development of the later Pacific campaign. (Or was there a shortage of patrol aircraft in the Pacific in December?)

Posted by: RioBravo at July 30, 2016 06:35 PM (NUqwG)

156 Alien 3 sucked ass. Absolutely miserable dreck. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:33 PM (0mRoj) I think in the Aliens special edition Cameron mentions that he planned for the third one to have Ripley, Hicks and Newt explore the family unit he had set up in Aliens. The new director was so intent on making his own movie that he made it just horrible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:35 PM (3ZoRf)

157 153 Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:33 PM (0mRoj)

Alien 3, "Fuck You All Abortion Rules!" was one of the first examples of Horrywood telling the audience "fuck you conservatives" and ramming the liberal message down our throat like one of their droids trying to find a new host for the xeno...

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:35 PM (SzZnW)

158 OK, now I remember one guy (Ash? Turned out he was a robot. Anyway ...) pulled some deceitful stuff to get the Alien onto the ship. Either way, Toni Mason (Jennifer Grey in "Red Dawn") > Ellen Ripley.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:36 PM (ZihpT)

159 >>The pre WWII Naval Bureau of Ordnance, wasn't exactly >> what one would call "aggressive" in pursuit of newer >>, and in many cases, truly better things. True. Something similar could be said about the gasoline fueled 75mm gun Sherman.

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 06:36 PM (o+SC1)

160 Was there something I missed? Was the Alien planning to invade Earth or something? I don't get it. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (ZihpT) *Spoiler alert* The Weyland-Yutani Corporation was going to bring the Alien to Earth (by having Ash use the crew as living incubators) so in a sense, yes.

Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 06:36 PM (cC/ZB)

161 135 Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero? I have my reason; she saved the cat. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (ZihpT) Worked for me. Meow.

Posted by: The cat at July 30, 2016 06:37 PM (sdi6R)

162 That's it for me but just found this: http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignRoyalNavy.htm

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:39 PM (LdMbv)

163 Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero?

I have my reason; she saved the cat.///

Did you mean to type "Shaved"

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 06:40 PM (BZey7)

164 I watched Alien: Resurrection... I had nightmares every time I went to sleep for a couple of weeks!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at July 30, 2016 06:40 PM (kP16F)

165 In the first one she was more protagonist than hero. The second, straight up heroine. The third? Who the hell knows. 24(?!) years on I am still trying to figure out why the director thought that was a good idea. Posted by: Aetius451AD **** Aliens 3 went thru multiple writers before they settled on the disaster they went with. It seems Sigourney Weaver injected herself into the writing and she should have stuck to acting.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:40 PM (hVdx9)

166 156 Alien 3 sucked ass. Absolutely miserable dreck. Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 11:33 PM (0mRoj) I think in the Aliens special edition Cameron mentions that he planned for the third one to have Ripley, Hicks and Newt explore the family unit he had set up in Aliens. The new director was so intent on making his own movie that he made it just horrible. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:35 PM (3ZoRf) Yep. There's a draft script floating out there to that effect, which I think I read part of once. It would have been a much more interesting movie instead of the godawful snoozefest 3 turned out to be.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:41 PM (0mRoj)

167 should have stopped after Aliens.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 06:42 PM (AoSQU)

168 We would have thrown in a few light aircraft carriers in the Atlantic and used torpedo planes to sink the Bismarck . Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck ------------- In point of fact, the Bismarck was disabled by torpedo planes from The Ark Royal...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 06:42 PM (ZxmMG)

169 There is a volleyball version of Scott Sterling and it is even more brutal and just as funny.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:43 PM (hVdx9)

170 Ha! Today I happened upon some papers that told me the day and year my divorce was final. Turns out it was 13 yrs ago. I honest to God had not idea. I was thinking maybe 6 or 7. I also thought I was married for 7 yrs and it turns out I was married for 10. I'm awful with numbers and time flies. Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 11:02 PM (shN0m) 'Twas 28 years ago today I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life. But I got two great kids out of the deal, so there's that.

Posted by: Country Boy at July 30, 2016 06:43 PM (heN73)

171 164 I watched Alien: Resurrection... I had nightmares every time I went to sleep for a couple of weeks! Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at July 30, 2016 11:40 PM (kP16F) That one sucked too. They just wanted a gorefest without the tension of the first Alien or the asskicking of Aliens.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:43 PM (0mRoj)

172 Battleship v Battleship. I thought the whole idea was to bring your strongest force against your weakest enemy? Why would you want parity in a gunfight?
Posted by: Carl at July 30, 2016 11:30 PM (2b4/v)


*ahem*

It's my parity and I'll shoot if I want to
Shoot if I want to, Shoot if I want to, Shoot if I want to
You would shoot too, if it happened to you!

Posted by: Kindltot -channeling Lesley Gore at July 30, 2016 06:43 PM (ry34m)

173 She had about a B cup in an evening dress and at least a D cup in her Wonder Woman costume. Now THAT is a superpower! Posted by: JB1000 **** CGI, what can't it do?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:44 PM (hVdx9)

174 167 should have stopped after Aliens. Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:42 PM (AoSQU) ^This. Aliens was totally badass and they should've ended on that high note.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:44 PM (0mRoj)

175 Recommended read: 'Sink the Bismarck' by C.S. Forester.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 06:44 PM (ZxmMG)

176 167 should have stopped after Aliens. Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:42 PM (AoSQU) Tell me about it.

Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 06:45 PM (Xjbjx)

177 She had about a B cup in an evening dress and at least a D cup in her Wonder Woman costume. Now THAT is a superpower! Posted by: JB1000 at July 30, 2016 11:42 PM (dUcFc) I don't really care. I am not usually a leg man, but she is sexy as hell. Sultry. Plus, I hear she can act too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:45 PM (3ZoRf)

178 Scott Sterling volleyball http://preview.tinyurl.com/hsg9322

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:45 PM (hVdx9)

179 n point of fact, the Bismarck was disabled by torpedo planes from The Ark Royal... Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 11:42 PM (ZxmMG) ---------------------------- Taranto and Bismarck being the greaest victories for the Fairey Swordfish.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 30, 2016 06:45 PM (NUqwG)

180 171 Ha! Today I happened upon some papers that told me the day and year my divorce was final. Turns out it was 13 yrs ago. I honest to God had not idea. I was thinking maybe 6 or 7. I also thought I was married for 7 yrs and it turns out I was married for 10. I'm awful with numbers and time flies. Posted by: Molly k. at July 30, 2016 11:02 PM (shN0m) 'Twas 28 years ago today I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life. But I got two great kids out of the deal, so there's that. Posted by: Country Boy at July 30, 2016 11:43 PM (heN73) Not as long for me, but still a member of that unfortunate club. Funny how something that's supposed to be such a blessing turns into a total clusterfuck.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:45 PM (0mRoj)

181 even though Aliens was a good movie, all the colonial marines had to do to avoid most of their difficulties was go outside so the aliens could not pull them down through the floor and up through the ceiling.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 06:46 PM (AoSQU)

182 It's my parity and I'll shoot if I want to ---------- What an odd thing to say... or maybe even

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 06:46 PM (ZxmMG)

183 True. Something similar could be said about the gasoline fueled 75mm gun Sherman. Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 11:36 PM (o+SC1) At least that one had some justification in logistics. The entire U.S. Army fleet of trucks, cars and other mechanized transport at the time, was nearly 100% gasoline, across the board. Only some of the heaviest equipment was Diesel powered, and the hard truth is that we hadn't yet geared up production of the smaller, lighter diesel engines such as would power a deuce-n-half truck, etc. I forgot the designation, but the tank larger than the Sherman, ran a pair of Cadillac gasoline engines. V8s or V-12s, I forget. Germany really had evolved the Diesel to a very high degree, even having some effort towards a Diesel engine heavy bomber at one point. Those early Shermans though, equipped with the radial aircraft engines and associated avgas, really did earn their reputations as Rolling Ronsons. But in return, they got a pretty nifty power to weight ratio, and were still effective within the limits of their too-small-for-the-times gun. The truly frightening thing. We were in a better military and strategic position in 1940, than we are now. We've got a great, but worn out and hollowed shell of a military. And spinning up manufacturing to war time capacity? Horse. Barn. Burned to the ground. Scary times, friends. Scary times. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:46 PM (v5iqM)

184 so is michelle jenneke going to the olympics?

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 06:47 PM (AoSQU)

185 Another "Alien" question - Was there any connection between the spaceship "Nostromo" and the Joseph Conrad story/character?

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (ZihpT)

186 should have stopped after Aliens. Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:42 PM (AoSQU) They should have mad this into a full movie will all the bells and whistles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOB13T6Zmh8

Posted by: The Hat End at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (vBeA5)

187 I like Alien 3. It's an under rated installment. Is it flawed? Yes. But, it does more than enough to outweigh that. Am glad that Cameron didn't get to do another part. Alien 3 was a fitting end to a 3 part story that was established in 1 and 2 was probably not going to end well. Alien Resurrection was shit though.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (EWg9n)

188 Iowa Class Battleship vs Bismarck Class Iowa Class. Fire control. Period.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (72N6L)

189 The Fairey Swordfish was sort of like the A-10 Warthog of its day. It wasn't sleek or sexy, the prevailing opinion was that it was obsolete, but it got the job done.

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (sdi6R)

190 182 even though Aliens was a good movie, all the colonial marines had to do to avoid most of their difficulties was go outside so the aliens could not pull them down through the floor and up through the ceiling. Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:46 PM (AoSQU) Yeah, set up hardened positions where they cannot be snuck up on, and just mow them down. When the Lieutenant decides that they cannot use weapons, dammit man, pull them the fuck back! Reequip and arm them for less penetration, give them some shotguns and flamethrowers and THEN send them back in. Don't disarm them and send them in. Like the guy says, all they have is Hicks shotgun and harsh language.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (3ZoRf)

191 @150 Ship was very cool. I found Maximilian to be rather intimidating though. ------------------- Maximillian's likely one of the most intimidating robots ever created. I'm actually somewhat surprised that I've never seen anyone "borrow" his design elements.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 06:48 PM (Xt19I)

192 "Those early Shermans though, equipped with the radial aircraft engines and associated avgas, really did earn their reputations as Rolling Ronsons." The explanation that I heard for that was it was SOP for the Germans (and other military tankers) to keep shooting a tank until it was burning. That way you ensured it would not shoot you in the ass after you passed by.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:49 PM (hVdx9)

193 Germany really had evolved the Diesel to a very high degree, even having some effort towards a Diesel engine heavy bomber at one point. Posted by: Jim Was that what the Amerikabomber was going to be, diesel?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 06:49 PM (UPYhp)

194 186 Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:48 PM (ZihpT)

Yes Scott changed the name b/c of his love of conrad's work...

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:50 PM (SzZnW)

195 135 As the thread has taken a turn toward science fiction, I have a question: Why is Ellen Ripley considered to be such a hero? I have my reason; she saved the cat. Besides Jones, she saved herself and an escape pod, and she killed the Alien. But the ship, its cargo and the other six crew members - all gone. Was there something I missed? Was the Alien planning to invade Earth or something? I don't get it. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (ZihpT) The corporation was trying to bring the Xenomorph back to earth. IIRC, she wasn't really that much of a "hero" to people on Earth when her escape ship was found floating through space. If you remember, she was put to work on the loading docks.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:50 PM (1JnAL)

196 Maximillian's likely one of the most intimidating robots ever created. I'm actually somewhat surprised that I've never seen anyone "borrow" his design elements. Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 11:48 PM (Xt19I) Ok, question for the horde who have seen it: Reboot for Black Hole? I would be completely happy with that, as long as you kept the ship design (updated with modern tech.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:50 PM (3ZoRf)

197 We need the Rule of Law, a balance of duties, and ways to encourage innovation and prosperity in individuals; we have a Blessed uniparty kleptocracy with fascist tendencies.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 11:32 PM (EzgxV)



Seemingly so simple and elegant a solution, and yet so contrary to the underlying nature of man!  We won't see that implemented again in our lifetimes, and our progeny may never see it.

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 06:50 PM (wYnyS)

198 Yeah, set up hardened positions where they cannot be snuck up on, and just mow them down. When the Lieutenant decides that they cannot use weapons, dammit man, pull them the fuck back! Reequip and arm them for less penetration, give them some shotguns and flamethrowers and THEN send them back in. Don't disarm them and send them in. Like the guy says, all they have is Hicks shotgun and harsh language. Posted by: Aetius451AD **** If they'd done that the movie would have been much shorter and less exciting. Besides, that would be logical, but not advance the plot. Jeeez.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 06:51 PM (hVdx9)

199 I think someone mentioned that a Black Hole reboot was happening.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:51 PM (3ZoRf)

200 We're Trumps! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid Trumps. And the Film Actors Guild are Hillarys. And Kim Jong Il is a Putin. Hillarys don't like Trumps, because Hillarys get Trumped by Trumps. But Trumps also Trump Putins: Putins that just want to Putin on everything. Hillarys may think they can deal with Putins their way. But the only thing that can Trump a Putin is a Trump. The problem with Trumps is: they Trump too much or Trump when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a Hillary to show them that. But sometimes, Hillarys can be so full of Putin that they become Putins themselves... because Hillarys are an inch and half away from Putin. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us Trump this Putin, we're going to have our Trumps and Hillarys all covered in Putin!

Posted by: Team America at July 30, 2016 06:52 PM (VdICR)

201 184 True.

Something similar could be said about the gasoline fueled 75mm gun Sherman.

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 11:36 PM (o+SC1)



At least that one had some justification in logistics. The entire U.S. Army fleet of trucks, cars and other mechanized transport at the time, was nearly 100% gasoline, across the board.

Only some of the heaviest equipment was Diesel powered, and the hard truth is that we hadn't yet geared up production of the smaller, lighter diesel engines such as would power a deuce-n-half truck, etc.

I forgot the designation, but the tank larger than the Sherman, ran a pair of Cadillac gasoline engines. V8s or V-12s, I forget.

Germany really had evolved the Diesel to a very high degree, even having some effort towards a Diesel engine heavy bomber at one point.

Those early Shermans though, equipped with the radial aircraft engines and associated avgas, really did earn their reputations as Rolling Ronsons.

But in return, they got a pretty nifty power to weight ratio, and were still effective within the limits of their too-small-for-the-times gun.

The truly frightening thing. We were in a better military and strategic position in 1940, than we are now. We've got a great, but worn out and hollowed shell of a military.

And spinning up manufacturing to war time capacity? Horse. Barn. Burned to the ground.

Scary times, friends. Scary times.


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 30, 2016 11:46 PM (v5iqM)



I belong to a club of machinists. The average age of members is well over 65. Two of the long-time members, including the President, have passed away in the last year.



99 and 44/100 of students graduating from their last year of education and entering the work force wouldn't know the difference between a drill bit and an end mill.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 06:52 PM (EzgxV)

202 188 I like Alien 3. It's an under rated installment. Is it flawed? Yes. But, it does more than enough to outweigh that. Am glad that Cameron didn't get to do another part. Alien 3 was a fitting end to a 3 part story that was established in 1 and 2 was probably not going to end well. Alien Resurrection was shit though. Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 11:48 PM (EWg9n) I'm on the record many times as hating it. But I'm happy you enjoyed my monster

Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 06:52 PM (Xjbjx)

203 Was that what the Amerikabomber was going to be, diesel? Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 11:49 PM (UPYhp) I don't think it was, as I recall, it was an effort more directed towards the Eastern Front. But, this'll be an Anna Puma question, for sure. I defer to the true expert at this level. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 06:53 PM (v5iqM)

204 I'm just going to assume that every 1980s title that I still recognize is going to be remade.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 06:53 PM (VdICR)

205 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier.

Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 06:53 PM (c056A)

206 Part of the strength of the Shermans was that they were plentiful like Ronsons.  And easy for farm kids to drive and keep running.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 06:54 PM (BZey7)

207 The truly frightening thing. We were in a better military and strategic position in 1940, than we are now. We've got a great, but worn out and hollowed shell of a military. And spinning up manufacturing to war time capacity? Horse. Barn. Burned to the ground. But all future wars will be Iphone vs Iphone, right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 06:55 PM (IqV8l)

208 206 Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A)

Fuck the Gold Star dad, his kid was a hero it does not alter the nature of the threat, nor the correct response to it.

Grammy gets to shit on the Benghazi families time to start fighting fire with fire.

Posted by: sven10077 at July 30, 2016 06:55 PM (SzZnW)

209 I'm just going to assume that every 1980s title that I still recognize is going to be remade. Posted by: BourbonChicken So, a remake of Valley Girls with fat SJWs instead of hot SoCal girls? Maybe Lena Dunham playing the Nick Cage role.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 06:56 PM (UPYhp)

210 207 Part of the strength of the Shermans was that they were plentiful like Ronsons. And easy for farm kids to drive and keep running. Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 11:54 PM (BZey7) My grandfather would have agreed with you. And he was a farm kid from rural Indiana.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:56 PM (3ZoRf)

211 Bummer the Montana class battleship was canceled late in the war. A theoretical matchup with planned super Yamato would be interesting.

Posted by: Octiparan at July 30, 2016 06:56 PM (mVTGw)

212 205: I'm just going to assume that every 1980s title that I still recognize is going to be remade. Posted by: BourbonChicken ________ I still find "The Terminator" to be an amazing movie.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:56 PM (ZihpT)

213 99 and 44/100 of students graduating from their last year of education and entering the work force wouldn't know the difference between a drill bit and an end mill. Posted by: cthulhu ------------------ I just learned that aluminum isn't attracted by a magnet. You learn something new every day.

Posted by: Barky at July 30, 2016 06:57 PM (ZxmMG)

214 But all future wars will be Iphone vs Iphone, right? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 11:55 PM (IqV8l) -------------- Pokemon go.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at July 30, 2016 06:58 PM (s7y11)

215 206 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier. Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A) Please, clutch your pearls when you worry.

Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 06:58 PM (Xjbjx)

216 185 so is michelle jenneke going to the olympics? Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:47 PM (AoSQU) YESSSSSSS!!!!! https://www.instagram.com/p/BIglSpvj1yH/

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 06:59 PM (1JnAL)

217 213 205: I'm just going to assume that every 1980s title that I still recognize is going to be remade. Posted by: BourbonChicken ________ I still find "The Terminator" to be an amazing movie. Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 11:56 PM (ZihpT) It is. The sequel was pretty good too. Terminator 3 and Terminator: Genisys blow goats.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 06:59 PM (0mRoj)

218 Leslie Jones: "I'm the Duchess of New York! I'm A-Number-One!" Twitter: "Yeah. I sort of liked the new 'Escape from ... ' #CATURDAY!!!"

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 06:59 PM (ZihpT)

219 Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 11:58 PM (Xjbjx)



I'm very concerned about the rather flippant tone of your response!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:00 PM (wYnyS)

220 206 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier. Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A) Trump made a mistake IMHO, but it wasn't with what he said. The mistake was agreeing to be interviewed by George Stephanopoulos, the same dude who was Clinton White House communications director at one point. Also the same dude that gave either $75k or $100k to the Clinton Foundation without disclosing it (until it was discovered by other means).

Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 07:00 PM (cC/ZB)

221 I just learned that aluminum isn't attracted by a magnet. You learn something new every day. Posted by: Barky at July 30, 2016 11:57 PM (ZxmMG) Magnetism is a function of only metals in that period on the table. It has to do with... I am too drunk to explain, but it has to do with unpaired electrons in a specific orbit around the nucleus all kind of... pointing in the same direction. When they are unpaired and all pointing in the same direction, the material is magnetic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:01 PM (3ZoRf)

222 Fuck the Gold Star dad, his kid was a hero it does not alter the nature of the threat, nor the correct response to it. --------------- The Left rely on anecdotal evidence. The NC voter ID case turned on a single 92 year-old woman who had changed her name 3 times, but not her driver's license. She is an AA lady, so 'disparate impact'.

Posted by: Barky at July 30, 2016 07:01 PM (ZxmMG)

223 206 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier. Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A) Concern is: ( ) Not noted (X) Noted

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 07:02 PM (1JnAL)

224 Trap #437

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 07:02 PM (IqV8l)

225 There are five Terminator movies, and only two of them are good. The fact that the first was excellent and the second is amazing has propped up the perceived value of the property. Mission Impossible must have a much better Rotten Tomatoes average.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 07:03 PM (VdICR)

226 YESSSSSSS!!!!! https://www.instagram.com/p/BIglSpvj1yH/ Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 11:59 PM (1JnAL) maybe we could just skip the events and have her run around in circles and jump up and down. we could give her awards.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:03 PM (AoSQU)

227 And furthermore, I find it quite ironic that Khan carries around a Constitution while shilling for a woman who will gladly gut at least the 1st and 2nd Amendments.

Posted by: Thrawn at July 30, 2016 07:03 PM (cC/ZB)

228 Posted by: Thrawn at July 31, 2016 12:00 AM (cC/ZB)



Idiots just gotta idiot! Why any non-Hillary supporting candidate for any office, including dog catcher, would agree to be interviewed by the Snuffelufagus is beyond me.

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:03 PM (wYnyS)

229 214 99 and 44/100 of students graduating from their last year of education and entering the work force wouldn't know the difference between a drill bit and an end mill.
Posted by: cthulhu
------------------

I just learned that aluminum isn't attracted by a magnet. You learn something new every day.

Posted by: Barky at July 30, 2016 11:57 PM (ZxmMG)



Yeah, and there's a little trick where you heat steel until it doesn't attract a magnet, then drop it into a metal bucket of motor oil.....you don't need anyone as retarded as Barky to "discover" stuff like this -- 99-44/100ths of students don't know it, even if their transcripts aren't mysteriously missing.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:04 PM (EzgxV)

230 I'm on the record many times as hating it. But I'm happy you enjoyed my monster


Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 11:52 PM


Yet you like "Benjamin Button". I doubt your objectivity.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 07:04 PM (EWg9n)

231 Trump made a mistake IMHO, but it wasn't with what he said. The mistake was agreeing to be interviewed by George Stephanopoulos, the same dude who was Clinton White House communications director at one point. Also the same dude that gave either $75k or $100k to the Clinton Foundation without disclosing it (until it was discovered by other means). Posted by: Thrawn at July 31, 2016 12:00 AM (cC/ZB) well, maybe he should schedule a couple of interviews with josh earnest and jay carney.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:04 PM (AoSQU)

232 226 There are five Terminator movies, and only two of them are good. The fact that the first was excellent and the second is amazing has propped up the perceived value of the property. Mission Impossible must have a much better Rotten Tomatoes average. Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 31, 2016 12:03 AM (VdICR) I actually liked the tv series. It had major flaws, but I liked it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:04 PM (3ZoRf)

233 206 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier. Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A) IT'S A TRAPPP!!!!

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at July 30, 2016 07:04 PM (1JnAL)

234 226 There are five Terminator movies, and only two of them are good. The fact that the first was excellent and the second is amazing has propped up the perceived value of the property. Mission Impossible must have a much better Rotten Tomatoes average. Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 31, 2016 12:03 AM (VdICR) I forgot Terminator: Salvation. Snoozer, although the arcade game is a lot of fun.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:05 PM (0mRoj)

235 This is related to last week's mention about the Texas Aggie (can't do ampersands) bonfire disaster featured in the show "In an Instant". (I don't even remember that, weirdly. I was in a very transitional stage of life then, though.) But I watched it and it brought to mind another disaster in TX in 1937 where that school blew up. That book is called "Gone at 3:17". These types of events are fascinating to me just because of the precarious nature of life. Just thought I'd share because these things affect me, and both were brought to my attention here. At the benevolent, heralded AoSHQ.

Posted by: Kalneva at July 30, 2016 07:05 PM (vhW1R)

236 I wonder which Alien film the Banana Splits Guy thinks is best.

Posted by: that guy who never pays attention to anything at July 30, 2016 07:05 PM (rLrEx)

237 well, since trump was interviewed by stephanopolouousous, maybe hillary will be interviewed by hannity or judge jeanine.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:06 PM (AoSQU)

238 So I went to the beach today, Road's End at Lincoln City, and it was sunny and bright and the tide was going out.

I met some kids who built RC planes out of "Dollar Tree foam board" and actuators, including one flying wing.
I had a decent lunch, but my girlfriend decided to not get the whole Dungeness crab for lunch - and it was a near thing too.
I went to Bobs Beach Books, but I admit the Bob's Books in Newport is far better since it has an aviation and history section in the back.
I walked bare-foot on the sand and nearly wore all my callouses off my feet.
And I dropped my cell phone in the Pacific ocean and only noticed it missing after I walked another half mile.
So we went back and looked for it, and I actually found it.
Soaked in salt water for a good half hour.

So tomorrow I am buying another cell phone.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 07:06 PM (ry34m)

239 237 I wonder which Alien film the Banana Splits Guy thinks is best. Posted by: that guy who never pays attention to anything at July 31, 2016 12:05 AM (rLrEx) Big mystery, that one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:06 PM (3ZoRf)

240 228 And furthermore, I find it quite ironic that Khan carries around a Constitution while shilling for a woman who will gladly gut at least the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Posted by: Thrawn at July 31, 2016 12:03 AM (cC/ZB) KHAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!

Posted by: Capt. Kirk at July 30, 2016 07:06 PM (0mRoj)

241 Think about it: This election is about Hillary Clinton. It always has been. Either She's demonstrated herself to be too corrupt to hold the office or not enough people care. It doesn't matter what Trump does or says or even who the Republican candidate is. Hillary Clinton's polling numbers would be the same now if she were running against Cruz or Walker or Perry or Jeb.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 07:06 PM (ZihpT)

242 The one with Claire Danes wasn't so bad. I kinsa liked it.

Posted by: eleven at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (qUNWi)

243 236 This is related to last week's mention about the Texas Aggie (can't do ampersands) bonfire disaster featured in the show "In an Instant". (I don't even remember that, weirdly. I was in a very transitional stage of life then, though.) But I watched it and it brought to mind another disaster in TX in 1937 where that school blew up. That book is called "Gone at 3:17". These types of events are fascinating to me just because of the precarious nature of life. Just thought I'd share because these things affect me, and both were brought to my attention here. At the benevolent, heralded AoSHQ. Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2016 12:05 AM (vhW1R) I agree on those types of events. The Halifax explosion is another one. Krakatoa(sp?) as well.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (3ZoRf)

244 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier.///

If Trump makes campaign ads with the parents of the soldiers killed by Major Nidal Malik Hasan. And the Muslim that fragged his fellow soldiers he can flip that.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (BZey7)

245 maybe we could just skip the events and have her run around in circles and jump up and down. we could give her awards. Posted by: yankeefifth at July 31, 2016 12:03 AM (AoSQU) She gets one thumb up from me. It would be two, but the other would be "busy".

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (1JnAL)

246 >> I belong to a club of machinists. The average age of >> members is well over 65. Two of the long-time members, >> including the President, have passed away in the last year. >> >> 99 and 44/100 of students graduating from their last year >> of education and entering the work force wouldn't know the >> difference between a drill bit and an end mill. I think you're in my area, and I'm no better than an amateur in that field, but the connection would be useful. I suppose I ought to join the yahoogroup...

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (o+SC1)

247 217 185 so is michelle jenneke going to the olympics?
Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 11:47 PM (AoSQU)



YESSSSSSS!!!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIglSpvj1yH/

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 11:59 PM (1JnAL)



While I'm happy for her [....why not? She always seems happy for me....], now there's someone at the Olympics for which I'd feel deep distress if something happened to her. It's not quite on the prayer-level of concern, but now I have something to fret about.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:07 PM (EzgxV)

248 Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2016 12:05 AM (vhW1R)



The fragility of life is rarely a concern to anyone until that time when something goes seriously wrong.

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:08 PM (wYnyS)

249 Kind of a shame the US didn't follow through with the Montana-class battleships:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana-class_battleship

Posted by: Anonymouse at July 30, 2016 07:08 PM (v5uOx)

250 243 The one with Claire Danes wasn't so bad. I kinsa liked it. Posted by: eleven at July 31, 2016 12:07 AM (qUNWi) You got to see Kristanna Loken's fine caboose for a couple of seconds but that was the high point.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:08 PM (0mRoj)

251 The muslim dad mentioned the U.S. Constitution.  which does he put as the highest authority - sharia law or the Constitution?

Posted by: goatexchange at July 30, 2016 07:09 PM (ptIWW)

252 She gets one thumb up from me. It would be two, but the other would be "busy". Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 31, 2016 12:07 AM (1JnAL)

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:09 PM (AoSQU)

253 220 Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 11:58 PM (Xjbjx) I'm very concerned about the rather flippant tone of your response! Posted by: Hrothgar at July 31, 2016 12:00 AM (wYnyS) Watch it. I made Alien 3 and lived to tell about it.

Posted by: David Fincher at July 30, 2016 07:09 PM (Xjbjx)

254 227 YESSSSSSS!!!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIglSpvj1yH/
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 11:59 PM (1JnAL)




maybe we could just skip the events and have her run around in circles and jump up and down. we could give her awards.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 31, 2016 12:03 AM (AoSQU)



I assume everyone already knows about the pancake-cooking youtube video.....

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:10 PM (EzgxV)

255 I'm actually somewhat surprised that I've never seen anyone "borrow" his design elements.
Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 11:48 PM (Xt19I)


The enforcers in Tron look like Maximilian, maybe?

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 07:10 PM (ry34m)

256 You got to see Kristanna Loken's fine caboose for a couple of seconds but that was the high point. Posted by: Insomniac at July 31, 2016 12:08 AM (0mRoj) I liked the 60's bomb shelter at the end. I was like: "Well, it can't be all bad, you get to live here!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:10 PM (3ZoRf)

257 The 4th terminator movie was awful. Plot holes you could have sailed the Queen Victoria through. One of the worst movies I have ever seen and I have seen Robot-Jox, Ishtar, Hudson Hawk, The Last Boy Scout, and Signs.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:11 PM (hVdx9)

258 Watch it. I made Alien 3 and lived to tell about it. Posted by: David Fincher Please girlfriend. You don't know about being in the real shit.

Posted by: Paul Feig at July 30, 2016 07:11 PM (UPYhp)

259 257 You got to see Kristanna Loken's fine caboose for a couple of seconds but that was the high point. Posted by: Insomniac at July 31, 2016 12:08 AM (0mRoj) I liked the 60's bomb shelter at the end. I was like: "Well, it can't be all bad, you get to live here!" Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 31, 2016 12:10 AM (3ZoRf) That was Cheyenne Mountain or an analog thereof IIRC.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:11 PM (0mRoj)

260 The muslim dad mentioned the U.S. Constitution. which does he put as the highest authority - sharia law or the Constitution?///

It would be a great question to ask except Taqiyya makes his answer useless.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:12 PM (BZey7)

261 234 206 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier.
Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A)


IT'S A TRAPPP!!!!

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at July 31, 2016 12:04 AM (1JnAL)



The Hills Are Alive, With the Sound of Music....

Posted by: Julie Andrews at July 30, 2016 07:12 PM (EzgxV)

262 258 The 4th terminator movie was awful. Plot holes you could have sailed the Queen Victoria through. One of the worst movies I have ever seen and I have seen Robot-Jox, Ishtar, Hudson Hawk, The Last Boy Scout, and Signs. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:11 AM (hVdx9) *pushes chair back and stands up* Ok, Last Boy Scout was a good movie.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:13 PM (3ZoRf)

263 The others are pretty much the definition of crap in a multitude of forms though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:14 PM (3ZoRf)

264 *pushes chair back and stands up* Ok, Last Boy Scout was a good movie. Posted by: Aetius451AD **** How drunk were you when you watched it?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:14 PM (hVdx9)

265 >> Kind of a shame the US didn't follow through with the >> Montana-class battleships: When you look at the sheer industrial effort involved in producing even the hulls of something like Dreadnought-era battleships, and think about who's even capable of doing that now... The real question when you're talking about something post-Iowa is whether it's significantly more resilient to potential threats than something thinner. The decision in the late '40s and early '50s was, I think, that a nuke renders a foot of hardened armor redundant. But in subsequent years you get into considerations of the likelihood of tactical nuclear warfare.

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 07:15 PM (o+SC1)

266 The muslim dad mentioned the U.S. Constitution. which does he put as the highest authority - sharia law or the Constitution?/// It would be a great question to ask except Taqiyya makes his answer useless. Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 12:12 AM (BZey7) yeah, it would be nice if it was mentioned more.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:15 PM (AoSQU)

267 247 >> I belong to a club of machinists. The average age of
>> members is well over 65. Two of the long-time members,
>> including the President, have passed away in the last year.
>>
>> 99 and 44/100 of students graduating from their last year
>> of education and entering the work force wouldn't know the
>> difference between a drill bit and an end mill.

I think you're in my area, and I'm no better than an amateur in that field, but the connection would be useful.

I suppose I ought to join the yahoogroup...

Posted by: JEM at July 31, 2016 12:07 AM (o+SC1)



Backchannel it. Who do you know?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:15 PM (EzgxV)

268 Posted by: Kalneva at July 31, 2016 12:05 AM (vhW1R)



Another unexpected disaster was Port Chicago, CA in July 17, 1944


http://tinyurl.com/h9mnnz3

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (wYnyS)

269 I love the Mother of Dragons, but she's just too small to play the same character as Linda Hamilton.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (VdICR)

270 How drunk were you when you watched it? Drunk enough to appreciate a car landing in a pool and exploding?

Posted by: eleven at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (qUNWi)

271 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier.

Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A)



I agree with Mike!

Posted by: Carl at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (cmE8J)

272 How drunk were you when you watched it? Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:14 AM (hVdx9) Lol. I actually have it on DVD somewhere. I like the movie, I like the character Willis plays. It is schlock, but I enjoy it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (3ZoRf)

273 The Last Boy Scout was a good movie.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 07:16 PM (UPYhp)

274 Ok, Last Boy Scout was a good movie. If you like Horror Stories !!!!!!!

Posted by: Harry Reid ... at July 30, 2016 07:17 PM (AoK0a)

275 How drunk were you when you watched it? Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:14 AM (hVdx9) Lol. I actually have it on DVD somewhere. I like the movie, I like the character Willis plays. It is schlock, but I enjoy it. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 31, 2016 12:16 AM (3ZoRf) What are you guys talking about?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 07:17 PM (MNgU2)

276 She's demonstrated herself to be too corrupt to hold the office or not enough people care. --------------- I don't think most Americans know the extent of her lifelong corruption.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (RrDm2)

277 If you like Horror Stories !!!!!!! Posted by: Harry Reid ... at July 31, 2016 12:17 AM (AoK0a) What with the nebbish villain getting gutted and thrown off a billboard at a stadium?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (3ZoRf)

278 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier. Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A) I agree with Mike! Posted by: Carl **** Carl, you two timing slut!

Posted by: Lenny at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (hVdx9)

279 264 The others are pretty much the definition of crap in a multitude of forms though. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 31, 2016 12:14 AM (3ZoRf) Signs is a really good film. Spoiler Alert the Aliens are Demons.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (Xjbjx)

280 What are you guys talking about? Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 31, 2016 12:17 AM (MNgU2) See! Back me up here!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (3ZoRf)

281 I agree with Mike! _______ Posted by: Carl at July 31, 2016 12:16 AM (cmE8J) Here Here

Posted by: Steve at July 30, 2016 07:18 PM (qUNWi)

282 What are you guys talking about? Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck **** The movie The Last Boy Scout

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:19 PM (hVdx9)

283 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FutureBadass In the post-apocalyptic future, everyone's a badass. This is how you go from Edward Furlong to Christian Bale.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 07:19 PM (VdICR)

Posted by: eleven at July 30, 2016 07:19 PM (qUNWi)

285 270 I love the Mother of Dragons, but she's just too small to play the same character as Linda Hamilton. Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 31, 2016 12:16 AM (VdICR) Linda Hamilton was able to convincingly portray a character that was tough as nails, singularly focused, well-prepare and just a tad unstable. Emilia Clarke portrayed none of those things.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:19 PM (0mRoj)

286 Signs is a really good film. Spoiler Alert the Aliens are Demons. Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 31, 2016 12:18 AM (Xjbjx) I liked Signs, sort of. The problem with his movies is that aside from Unbreakable, the entire movie is a setup for the 'twist' so that one suffers a bit for that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:20 PM (3ZoRf)

287 If one  has lived through a teenage daughter. Last Boy Scout has lots of meaning.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:20 PM (BZey7)

288 The movie The Last Boy Scout Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:19 AM (hVdx9) Who's main character is named?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:20 PM (3ZoRf)

289 @258 258 The 4th terminator movie was awful. Plot holes you could have sailed the Queen Victoria through --------------- From what I understand, part of the problems in the fourth movie may have been due to some last minute script changes. John Conner was apparently supposed to be just a background character. But then they got Christian Bale to play him, and... On the other hand, there's also a "John Conner really died and we're faking that he's still alive with a terminator body" ending that the writer wanted to try and do instead of the actual ending. Those in authority apparently shot him down, though.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 07:20 PM (Xt19I)

290 yeah, it would be nice if it was mentioned more.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 31, 2016 12:15 AM (AoSQU)



The principles of both sharia law and taqiyya are totally incompatible with very concept of a US Constitution written by men, and that fact should be mentioned a lot!



But, what difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:21 PM (wYnyS)

291 239 Look on the bright side, at least you didn't get caught by a sneaker wave. The Mrs did further south near Waldport a couple years ago. Only thing that saved her was the two dogs with her got their leashes tangled around her legs and all three became like an anchor stuck in the sand.

Posted by: Octiparan at July 30, 2016 07:21 PM (mVTGw)

292 What with the nebbish villain getting gutted and thrown off a billboard at a stadium? Oy.

Posted by: Harry Reid ... at July 30, 2016 07:21 PM (AoK0a)

293 280 264 The others are pretty much the definition of crap in a multitude of forms though. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 31, 2016 12:14 AM (3ZoRf) Signs is a really good film. Spoiler Alert the Aliens are Demons. Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 31, 2016 12:18 AM (Xjbjx) I liked Signs, despite some goofy plot holes, for two major reasons. The first is how all the seemingly unrelated events and other things all converged at the end. The other was the restoration of faith because of it.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:21 PM (0mRoj)

294 288 If one has lived through a teenage daughter. Last Boy Scout has lots of meaning. Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 12:20 AM (BZey7) "You want some Ice cream? I got some Ice Cream out here." "I hate you!" *throws ice cream out of the house*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:21 PM (3ZoRf)

295 I don't think most Americans know the extent of her lifelong corruption. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 31, 2016 12:18 AM The 52% don't care if the deliverer of goodies is corrupt or not.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 07:22 PM (IqV8l)

296 Oy. Posted by: Harry Reid ... at July 31, 2016 12:21 AM (AoK0a) You watch your ass.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:23 PM (3ZoRf)

297 I liked Signs, sort of. The problem with his movies is that aside from Unbreakable, the entire movie is a setup for the 'twist' so that one suffers a bit for that. Posted by: Aetius451AD **** Lest I start foaming at the mouth over it, I will keep my complaints about it brief. 1) Water is like acid to them, yet they invade a planet that is 3/4 water. Where it rains. Humidity. Dew on the ground. 2) A technologically advanced race comes to earth, and then doesn't use any of it's tech!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:23 PM (hVdx9)

298 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 30, 2016 07:23 PM (T/cxb)

299 I don't think most Americans know the extent of her lifelong corruption.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 31, 2016 12:18 AM (RrDm2)




BUT, give them enough free stuff and they won't care...



until it's too late!

Posted by: Chavez & Erdogan, Inc. [/i][/u][/b][/s] at July 30, 2016 07:23 PM (wYnyS)

300 Linda Hamilton was able to convincingly portray a character that was tough as nails, singularly focused, well-prepare and just a tad unstable. Emilia Clarke portrayed none of those things. Posted by: Insomniac at July 31, 2016 12:19 AM (0mRoj) Linda is a heater in both movies. She is beautiful woman. There can be only one Sarah Conner. There can be only one mother of Dragons.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 07:24 PM (Xjbjx)

301 I'm watching something about the 70s my wife left on re: yhe Clinntons. I'm thinking the Clinton's actions back then should be investigated more.

Posted by: Farmer at July 30, 2016 07:24 PM (o/90i)

302 Evenin' Blanco Basura ...

Posted by: Adriane the Meteorology Critic ... at July 30, 2016 07:24 PM (AoK0a)

303 Lest I start foaming at the mouth over it, I will keep my complaints about it brief. 1) Water is like acid to them, yet they invade a planet that is 3/4 water. Where it rains. Humidity. Dew on the ground. 2) A technologically advanced race comes to earth, and then doesn't use any of it's tech! Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:23 AM (hVdx9) One 'could' argue the same thing about the war of the worlds.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:24 PM (3ZoRf)

304 Much as I'd love the panache of a nuclear powered battleship, the fact is that a fossil fueled one will still be the better warship. A nuke would have to retire from the battle after absorbing but a fraction of the damage that a steam turbine ship would handle. Similarly, gas turbines would offer layers of redundancy and flexibility that a nuke couldn't duplicate. CVNs, conversely, aren't really intended to mix it up in the ship to ship slugfest roles, and so are very well suited to their tasks. I'd love to see a BB, with gas turbine plants widely separated in individual engineering spaces, and with the underhull lines of the S.S. United States. Yeah, a 40kt. Battleship. Now that would be all kinds of kick-ass cool, wouldn't it! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 07:25 PM (v5iqM)

305 Sam Worthington: I swear to god I'm not a robot! Christian Bale: SWEAR TO ME!!!

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 07:25 PM (VdICR)

306 I pretty much like all buddy movies.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 07:26 PM (MNgU2)

307 The principles of both sharia law and taqiyya are totally incompatible with very concept of a US Constitution written by men, and that fact should be mentioned a lot! But, what difference, at this point, does it make? Posted by: Hrothgar at July 31, 2016 12:21 AM (wYnyS) well, we are going to have to have a little talk about it sooner or later, though later is worse.

Posted by: yankeefifth at July 30, 2016 07:26 PM (AoSQU)

308 307 I pretty much like all buddy movies. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 31, 2016 12:26 AM (MNgU2) Loose Cannons?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:26 PM (3ZoRf)

309 298 I liked Signs, sort of. The problem with his movies is that aside from Unbreakable, the entire movie is a setup for the 'twist' so that one suffers a bit for that. Posted by: Aetius451AD **** Lest I start foaming at the mouth over it, I will keep my complaints about it brief. 1) Water is like acid to them, yet they invade a planet that is 3/4 water. Where it rains. Humidity. Dew on the ground. 2) A technologically advanced race comes to earth, and then doesn't use any of it's tech! Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:23 AM (hVdx9 They are Demons. Go back and watch it and not think aliens but Demons in a Biblical sense.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 07:26 PM (Xjbjx)

310 liked Signs, despite some goofy plot holes, for two major reasons. The first is how all the seemingly unrelated events and other things all converged at the end. The other was the restoration of faith because of it.


Posted by: Insomniac at July 31, 2016 12:21 AM

Yeah, Signs is one of those movies that I give a pass to on plot/logic holes, because the story is told well enough to make it work. Plus it's well put together and has a creepiness and sense of foreboding. It's a weird ass flick, but I enjoy watching it. The story is nonsense, but it's sci/fi and has a made up tale vibe about it that works, as opposed to a narrative that is meant to be taken as "this literally happens".

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 07:27 PM (EWg9n)

311 There used to be a nuclear powered cruiser. http://www.navysite.de/cg/cgn9.htm

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 07:27 PM (IqV8l)

312 Luc Besson guilty of plagiarizing Escape From New York, will pay $500K to John Carpenter. Next John Carpenter needs to sue Obama for stealing the idea of national police. It was the United States Police Force in the movie.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 30, 2016 07:28 PM (T/cxb)

313 Linda Hamilton was able to convincingly portray a character that was tough as nails, singularly focused, well-prepare and just a tad unstable.///

In the first Terminator movie she was the hot chick that needed protection. In the second she was the hot chick that was a little scary because it looked like she could kick your ass.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:28 PM (BZey7)

314 One 'could' argue the same thing about the war of the worlds. Posted by: Aetius451AD Yeah, that was poor planning, invading during cold & flu season. Should've pack some NyQuil instead of all those damned seeds.

Posted by: Martian High Command at July 30, 2016 07:28 PM (UPYhp)

315 From what I understand, part of the problems in the fourth movie may have been due to some last minute script changes. John Conner was apparently supposed to be just a background character. But then they got Christian Bale to play him, and... On the other hand, there's also a "John Conner really died and we're faking that he's still alive with a terminator body" ending that the writer wanted to try and do instead of the actual ending. Those in authority apparently shot him down, though. Posted by: junior **** There are also major inconsistencies as well. That giant robot sneaks up on the people in that defunct gas station? Really? Then people are seen sitting around fires despite an earlier mention that fires attract hunter-killers (thermal). Next up, the rivers and streams are "polluted" with machines that kill humans who venture too close, yet the idiots in the helicopter are maybe a foot or two off the surface? We are to believe that people so stupid survived into adulthood in a post apocalyptic world?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:29 PM (hVdx9)

316 312 There used to be a nuclear powered cruiser. http://www.navysite.de/cg/cgn9.htm Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 31, 2016 12:27 AM (IqV8l) Nuclear powered and wooden decks. Kind of steam-punk.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:29 PM (3ZoRf)

317 OK, it turns out that the original Chive video has fallen prey to the censors at YouTube -- so you get a lot of excerpts with this music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1y721eR7g

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:29 PM (EzgxV)

318 It begins Nypost has naked pictures of Melania Daily Mail has picture of Trump with NYC gangsters in the 70s

Posted by: ThunderB at July 30, 2016 07:30 PM (zOTsN)

319 Good night Boners

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 07:31 PM (Xjbjx)

320 I pretty much like all buddy movies. Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 31, 2016 12:26 AM (MNgU2) Loose Cannons? Posted by: Aetius451AD **** Hey now. That is an underrated movie.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:31 PM (hVdx9)

321 272 I'm worried that Trump stepped into a trap with the criticism he's received from the father of the dead Muslim soldier.

Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 11:53 PM (c056A)


I agree with Mike!

Posted by: Carl at July 31, 2016 12:16 AM (cmE8J)



I get 38 kopeks per citation in "smart military blog"!

Posted by: Fred at July 30, 2016 07:32 PM (EzgxV)

322 Hey now. That is an underrated movie. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:31 AM (hVdx9) Riiiiiight.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:32 PM (3ZoRf)

323 The movie that I couldn't look past crap was I Am Legend. It opened up with him hunting with a .223. I knew it would be down hill from there.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at July 30, 2016 07:33 PM (MNgU2)

324 It begins
Nypost has naked pictures of Melania ///

And the Russians have naked yoga pictures of Hillary.

Which pictures can be weaponized?

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:33 PM (BZey7)

325 >>Backchannel it. Who do you know? Know? Sounds like Prohibition. An older Russian with a one man shop mid Peninsula who does occasional stuff for me. I've got an old Logan lathe in my shop. I do milling and waterjet stuff and other various CNC stuff at Techshop. Done various car parts on the CNC mill, but not great at finis quality. Have done massive amounts of furniture and cabinets on the CNC router.

Posted by: JEM at July 30, 2016 07:33 PM (o+SC1)

326 Kyle Reese in T4 was that Star Trek actor that died in the car accident.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 07:34 PM (VdICR)

327 Loose Cannons? Posted by: Aetius451AD **** Hey now. That is an underrated movie. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer It has Gene Hackman, Dan Aykroyd as a detective with multiple personalities, and the macguffin is a film reel of Hitler in a gay porn. What's not to like?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 07:34 PM (UPYhp)

328 The movie that I couldn't look past crap was I Am Legend. It opened up with him hunting with a .223. I knew it would be down hill from there. NYC nixed the crossbow ...

Posted by: Adriane the Hoplology Critic ... at July 30, 2016 07:34 PM (AoK0a)

329 Kyle Reese in T4 was that Star Trek actor that died in the car accident. Posted by: BourbonChicken **** The machines finally got him.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:35 PM (hVdx9)

330 Hey folks...sorry for being a worry wart. Kahn's sacrifice deserves to be honored. But that doesn't change Trump's point about Middle East immigration. The thing is we're not even very good at keeping Islamic terrorists out of the Army, much less the civilian population. Between the Fort Hood killings and the dude who fragged his fellow soldiers,15 died.

Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2016 07:35 PM (c056A)

331 Know? Sounds like Prohibition. ---------- Just tell 'em Joe sent you.

Posted by: Joe at July 30, 2016 07:36 PM (RrDm2)

332 Hey Insomniac, if you're still here --- I meant to tell you this last night but got distracted and had to leave the ONT. Join the yahoo group. We have had our share of people that struggled to find work and some wound up getting work through the help of other Morons. WeirdDave is someone who might give you a few leads especially if you're willing to leave law and do something different. If you're interested, shoot Maetrnloch an email and he will approve you to join. His addy is his name at the gee male dot com.

Posted by: L, Elle at July 30, 2016 07:37 PM (6IPEM)

333 280: Signs is a really good film. Posted by: Cactus of Liberty ________ "Signs" is one of my favorite baseball movies - probably second after "Bad News Bears."

Posted by: FireHorse at July 30, 2016 07:37 PM (ZihpT)

334 Be well all, I have to take care of the wife and her dental issues/recovery. Then that leads to taking both dogs out all the time and also that damn cat Life is fun. We will survive.

Posted by: Farmer at July 30, 2016 07:39 PM (o/90i)

335 "Signs" is one of my favorite baseball movies - probably second after "Bad News Bears." Posted by: FireHorse **** Signs isn't a baseball movie ya dork. It's a gangster in the hood movie from the 90's.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 07:40 PM (hVdx9)

336 The movie that I couldn't look past crap was I Am Legend. It opened up with him hunting with a .223. I knew it would be down hill from there. ///

Seemed like a good choice to me if I was hunting in a location where a group of zombies or whatever might pop up mid hunt.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:41 PM (BZey7)

337 One 'could' argue the same thing about the war of the worlds. Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 31, 2016 12:24 AM (3ZoRf) I liked the way they handled the explanation in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic: The League is ordered to pick up a hybrid "experiment" from Dr. Moreau... only to discover later that the "hybrid" was a bio-weapon specifically designed to wipe out the Martians.

Posted by: The League of Extraordinary Hats at July 30, 2016 07:42 PM (vBeA5)

338 326 >>Backchannel it. Who do you know?

Know? Sounds like Prohibition.

An older Russian with a one man shop mid Peninsula who does occasional stuff for me. I've got an old Logan lathe in my shop. I do milling and waterjet stuff and other various CNC stuff at Techshop. Done various car parts on the CNC mill, but not great at finis quality. Have done massive amounts of furniture and cabinets on the CNC router.

Posted by: JEM at July 31, 2016 12:33 AM (o+SC1)



Heh. I didn't mean "know" in the machine shop realm; I meant "know" on the blog. We have a local psycho wannabe-Moron who dumped significant malware on me who lives in San Jose. Passed as a welcome Moron for months until getting banned for reasons unrelated to my issue. Except for him, every other IRL contact with Morons I've ever had has been super fun and very rewarding. Do you know any other Morons in the Bay Area who can provide a means of contact that would ensure that you're not Ira?

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:43 PM (EzgxV)

339 There used to be a nuclear powered cruiser.

http://www.navysite.de/cg/cgn9.htm

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 31, 2016 12:27 AM (IqV8l)


There's a memory from my seagoing days.  My ship escorted what was left of the Long Beach up to Puget Sound for scrapping.  At that point, all that was left was the hull.  The superstructure and everything else above the main deck were gone and she was under tow by the USNS Navajo.  The trip was supposed to be made at about 12 knots, but we got caught in a storm just south of LA and were in it almost to the Oregon border at 3kts.  About 90% of the crew was down with seasickness for three days because we were taking the storm off the port side the whole time.  We couldn't turn into the wind because that would have kept us from remaining on station if the Navajo needed assistance.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 30, 2016 07:43 PM (GUBah)

340 >>It begins
Nypost has naked pictures of Melania


I'm sure all the feminists will be all outraged and #WarOnWomen, amirute?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at July 30, 2016 07:44 PM (NOIQH)

341 You all have a good night.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:44 PM (3ZoRf)

342 337 Alternative theory about the string of hackings against Cankles & the 'rats... pissed off Bernie bots.

From what I've seen / read / heard, these folks are *seriously* honked off... like 'salt the fields' level of pissed.

But, I'm not ruling out a False Flag scenario either. (I just favor the former possibility.)

Posted by: Obakeinu at July 31, 2016 12:41 AM (ry4ab)



IIRC, it was Country Singer who said something about "all those IT Berniebots forced to train their H1B replacements having a lot of spare time."

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:45 PM (EzgxV)

343 Jtb thanks

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at July 30, 2016 07:47 PM (U0lQa)

344 >>IIRC, it was Country Singer who said something about "all those IT Berniebots forced to train their H1B replacements having a lot of spare time."

Heh. Let's not forget that with the Left making Bradley Manning out to be a hero, they themselves are responsible for these guys thinking that 'hacking is the highest form of patriotism!' (to steal a forgotten Bush-era phrase).

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at July 30, 2016 07:49 PM (NOIQH)

345 IIRC, it was Country Singer who said something about "all those IT Berniebots forced to train their H1B replacements having a lot of spare time."

Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2016 12:45 AM (EzgxV)


Actually, I never specified any political leanings, just theorized that IT folks that got laid off after having to train their H1B replacements doing any intruding would not surprise me.  I wouldn't be shocked if they went after open borders GOPe types, either.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 30, 2016 07:49 PM (GUBah)

346 230 Yeah, and there's a little trick where you heat steel until it doesn't attract a magnet, then drop it into a metal bucket of motor oil.... Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2016 12:04 AM ( Then what happens?

Posted by: Emmie at July 30, 2016 07:51 PM (xVuS6)

347 347 IIRC, it was Country Singer who said something about
"all those IT Berniebots forced to train their H1B replacements having a
lot of spare time."


Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2016 12:45 AM (EzgxV)

Actually, I never specified any political leanings, just theorized that IT folks that got laid off after having to train their H1B replacements doing any intruding would not surprise me. I wouldn't be shocked if they went after open borders GOPe types, either.

Posted by: Country Singer at July 31, 2016 12:49 AM (GUBah)



It was a very astute observation, no matter how it was sliced. Cuts very much against the grain that IT is all for globalism.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:51 PM (EzgxV)

348 Signs isn't a baseball movie ya dork. It's a gangster in the hood movie from the 90's. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:40 AM (hVdx9) No it isn't. Signs is that gory crash movie they used to show us in Driver's Ed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2016 07:51 PM (zc3Db)

349 Trump's official statement on Khan, in which he says the Father of a fallen soldier "has no right" to say Trump hasn't read the Constitution, is a disgrace. I mean, a presidential candidate saying some doesn't have a right to accuse him of not reading the Constitution. It's like something out of Veep. And this was in a written statement that should have gone through proof reading.

Posted by: person at July 30, 2016 07:52 PM (mFkVC)

350 Yeah, and there's a little trick where you heat steel until it doesn't attract a magnet, then drop it into a metal bucket of motor oil....
Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2016 12:04 AM (


Then what happens?///

It gets hard.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 07:52 PM (BZey7)

351 gns isn't a baseball movie ya dork. It's a gangster in the hood movie from the 90's. Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 12:40 AM (hVdx9) No it isn't. Signs is that gory crash movie they used to show us in Driver's Ed. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair You're both wrong. It's a coming-of-age road trip movie.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 07:53 PM (UPYhp)

352 333 Hey Insomniac, if you're still here --- I meant to tell you this last night but got distracted and had to leave the ONT. Join the yahoo group. We have had our share of people that struggled to find work and some wound up getting work through the help of other Morons. WeirdDave is someone who might give you a few leads especially if you're willing to leave law and do something different. If you're interested, shoot Maetrnloch an email and he will approve you to join. His addy is his name at the gee male dot com. Posted by: L, Elle at July 31, 2016 12:37 AM (6IPEM) I'm still hanging around, just slowing down. That's a good idea, I'll do that. I'm not sure i want to leave law as I have a lot of blood, toil, tears and sweat invested, but it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:54 PM (0mRoj)

353 I mean, a presidential candidate saying some doesn't have a right to accuse him of not reading the Constitution. It's like something out of Veep. And this was in a written statement that should have gone through proof reading. Posted by: person at July 31, 2016 12:52 AM (mFkVC) If I say that you "have no right to say" something, that isn't a Constitutional argument. The phrase "have no right to xxxxx" is a standard phrase in conversation that pretty much everyone is well aware of. It's a rhetorical tool, not a legal argument.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2016 07:54 PM (zc3Db)

354 352 Trump's official statement on Khan, in which he says the Father of a fallen soldier "has no right" to say Trump hasn't read the Constitution, is a disgrace. I mean, a presidential candidate saying some doesn't have a right to accuse him of not reading the Constitution. It's like something out of Veep. And this was in a written statement that should have gone through proof reading. Posted by: person at July 31, 2016 12:52 AM (mFkVC) Concern is: ( ) Not Noted (X) Noted

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 07:55 PM (1JnAL)

355 *piffle*

On comparing Iowa to Bismarck. In 1942 is would have been USS Washington with 16in 45 caliber main battery versus Tirpitz 15in. The American battleship in early 1942 also served with the British Home Fleet.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:55 PM (3d5xg)

356 Jeez, all you guys are so wrong.

Signs is that stupid movie about Helen Keller learning to use sign language.

Posted by: what a twist! at July 30, 2016 07:56 PM (H9MG5)

357 The phrase "have no right to xxxxx" is a standard phrase in conversation that pretty much everyone is well aware of. It's a rhetorical tool, not a legal argument. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair But, Hur Dur Trump Argle Bargle!!!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 07:56 PM (UPYhp)

358 358 *piffle* One of my favorite dismissive words of all time.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 07:57 PM (0mRoj)

359 Signs is that stupid movie about Helen Keller learning to use sign language. Brian Dehenney was brilliant as the dark glasses ...

Posted by: Adriane the Movie Challenged Critic ... at July 30, 2016 07:58 PM (AoK0a)

360 349 230
Yeah, and there's a little trick where you heat steel until it doesn't attract a magnet, then drop it into a metal bucket of motor oil....
Posted by: cthulhu at July 31, 2016 12:04 AM (


Then what happens?

Posted by: Emmie at July 31, 2016 12:51 AM (xVuS6)



You end up with "hardened steel" that can cut regular steel. By itself, it's trivia -- but it opens a tiny window into a world where John Moses Browning (PBUH) can design some of the most influential weapons on the planet (sorry, had to leave the window open for AKs) in a workshop in his 3000-square-foot home in Ogden, Utah.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 07:58 PM (EzgxV)

361 Luc Besson also plagiarized my middle name.

Posted by: Jean Luc Picard at July 30, 2016 07:58 PM (rDxLs)

362 Jeez, all you guys are so wrong. Signs is that stupid movie about Helen Keller learning to use sign language. Nope: https://youtu.be/uYsBDmqJfjQ

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 30, 2016 07:58 PM (T/cxb)

363 If I say that you "have no right to say" something, that isn't a Constitutional argument. The phrase "have no right to xxxxx" is a standard phrase in conversation that pretty much everyone is well aware of. It's a rhetorical tool, not a legal argument. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 31, 2016 12:54 AM (zc3Db) -------------------- Trump is running for President. Even if you accept his incoherent, off-the-cuff speaking style, this sort of wording in a written press release is not professional. And Trump says this a lot. He often says people "shouldn't be allowed to say" something or suggests restricting the freedom of the press. It's a pattern. And people here were rightfully upset at press attacks on Patricia Smith. Those attacks were unacceptable. I assume that everyone also feels these attacks on the Khans are equally beyond the pale.

Posted by: person at July 30, 2016 07:59 PM (mFkVC)

364 I plagiarized John Carpenter's the Thing, in Hateful Eight. Except for the feet. That was my own original contribution.

Posted by: Quentin Tarantino at July 30, 2016 08:00 PM (rDxLs)

365 Brian Dehenney was brilliant as the dark glasses ... Posted by: Adriane the Movie Challenged Critic ... at July 31, 2016 12:58 AM (AoK0a) You joke, but I just saw Looking For Mr. Goodbar the other day and I'll be damned if Brian Dennehy wasn't in that movie, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 30, 2016 08:00 PM (zc3Db)

366 352 Trump's official statement on Khan, in which he says the Father of a fallen soldier "has no right" to say Trump hasn't read the Constitution, is a disgrace.

I mean, a presidential candidate saying some doesn't have a right to accuse him of not reading the Constitution. It's like something out of Veep. And this was in a written statement that should have gone through proof reading.

Posted by: person at July 31, 2016 12:52 AM (mFkVC)



Awesome, another 38 kopeks!!!!!

Posted by: Fred at July 30, 2016 08:00 PM (EzgxV)

367 Oy. Gotz to feed the kitty. Good Night, all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Movie Challenged Critic ... at July 30, 2016 08:01 PM (AoK0a)

368 Posted by: person Christ! It's Saturday night, do you ever take a breather, or are you getting time & a half from Trolls-R-Us Ltd.?

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 08:01 PM (UPYhp)

369 Awesome, another 38 kopeks!!!!! Posted by: Fred at July 31, 2016 01:00 AM (EzgxV) ----------- Yeah, because the Russian internet trolls are anti-Trump. Spot on.

Posted by: person at July 30, 2016 08:02 PM (mFkVC)

370 Saturday night's allright for fighting....

Posted by: eleven at July 30, 2016 08:02 PM (qUNWi)

371 Thanks, Cthulhu.

Posted by: Emmie at July 30, 2016 08:02 PM (xVuS6)

372 German Panzers and Tigers weren't diesel, like it said in the Patton movie. They had Maybach gasoline engines. Now, it was pretty low-octane, especially by the end of the war, but, not diesel. The weak point of the Sherman was not the gasoline, but the ammunition stored in the outboard sponsons. That was what went up so easily with just one hit.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 30, 2016 08:03 PM (tIja6)

373 You end up with "hardened steel" that can cut regular steel. By itself, it's trivia -- but it opens a tiny window into a world where John Moses Browning (PBUH) can design some of the most influential weapons on the planet (sorry, had to leave the window open for AKs) in a workshop in his 3000-square-foot home in Ogden, Utah.///

When Browning was doing his thing thermocouples had replaced magnets.An books with temp vs hardness were widely available.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:03 PM (BZey7)

374 The weak point of the Sherman was not the gasoline, but the ammunition stored in the outboard sponsons. That was what went up so easily with just one hit.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 31, 2016 01:03 AM


Or, the weak point was the thin side armour.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 08:06 PM (EWg9n)

375 372
Awesome, another 38 kopeks!!!!!
Posted by: Fred at July 31, 2016 01:00 AM (EzgxV)
-----------

Yeah, because the Russian internet trolls are anti-Trump. Spot on.

Posted by: person at July 31, 2016 01:02 AM (mFkVC)



Oh, so you're getting some of that sweet, sweet Soros money, you filthy running-dog. I have to labor for 38 kopeks when you bastards get almost a Euro each, "'cause you're more culturally similar", you fucking squish bastards.

Posted by: Fred at July 30, 2016 08:10 PM (EzgxV)

376 F**k the "FBI director". He should resign and leave the country, he's a disgrace to every virtue and accomplishment in our history. Oh - and a friggin' genius besides - gee, I'd never considered that, you know, that the loose-knit networks of fanatics and sociopaths that make up terrorists outfits would make their way to the west. If weasel hair wins he should break some more new ground by calling for the resignations of Roberts and this FBI worm. These institutions have given up their integrity, and the current president has trashed two centuries of tradition and decorum, so why not?

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 08:12 PM (QDnY+)

377 Steppin' offa the ONT express, y'all. Snoozeville is my destination, and I haz arrived. Hasta la nite nite, Horde! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 08:12 PM (v5iqM)

378 Weren't T34s just as easy for German tanks to blow up? Do we talk more about Shemans because it was our soldiers in them? Or is that just my ignorance.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:12 PM (BZey7)

379 You're both wrong. It's a coming-of-age road trip movie. Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 31, 2016 12:53 AM (UPYhp) No, that was Crossroads starring Britney Spears and Dan Akroyd. Your only excuse is that Signs are often found at Crossroads.

Posted by: Quentin Tarantino at July 30, 2016 08:13 PM (rDxLs)

380 It gets hard. Posted by: Willy J. -- Same thing I did with my pistons.

Posted by: Burt Munro at July 30, 2016 08:15 PM (9mTYi)

381 374 Thanks, Cthulhu.

Posted by: Emmie at July 31, 2016 01:02 AM (xVuS6)



Time was, 1 out of 3 Americans knew that trick -- though less than 3% of Americans ever used it. But modern education has washed any such useful facts away as trivia -- and replaced it with deep research into the number of transgender Founding Fathers -- which, by design, can never be a positive contribution to anything, even if knowable.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:15 PM (EzgxV)

382 If weasel hair wins he should break some more new ground by calling for the resignations of Roberts and this FBI worm. Posted by: rhomboid I wouldn't give them the honor of a resignation. Give them the option to commit suicide (a la Godfather II) or a full investigation for treason with the death penalty on the table. Again, make checks out to "Friends of Prince Ludwig 2016."

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 08:16 PM (UPYhp)

383 The horde is a wondrous font of technical knowledge. Had always thought it was primarily the fuel that made Shermans so vulnerable. Somewhat related, to those interested the book on Pearl Harbor by Alan Zimm is quite interesting. He examines in detail the planning and execution of the operation and shows what a mess it was. And the pathologies of the Japanese planning and execution, which luck and surprise negated in this one instance, were clearly present in the rest of the war. Lots of interesting small issues (such as the fact that the fierce warrior ethic made for some pretty poor fighter pilots in terms of their effectiveness).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 08:16 PM (QDnY+)

384 My thought of the day: Someone on the internet is wrong. Last couple of days seem worse than normal, semi-reputable publications getting basic easily searchable facts wrong. It's like the Ministry of Truth has taken over.

Posted by: NotMe at July 30, 2016 08:17 PM (EuQH7)

385 Trump is running for President. Even if you accept his incoherent, off-the-cuff speaking style, this sort of wording in a written press release is not professional. And Trump says this a lot. He often says people "shouldn't be allowed to say" something or suggests restricting the freedom of the press. It's a pattern. And people here were rightfully upset at press attacks on Patricia Smith. Those attacks were unacceptable. I assume that everyone also feels these attacks on the Khans are equally beyond the pale. Posted by: person at July 31, 2016 12:59 AM (mFkVC) Your concern has been duly noted previously. We will now make sure that your concern is passed along to those in positions who GAF.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at July 30, 2016 08:18 PM (1JnAL)

386 T-34 with its sloping armor and thick sides was a tough customer for any PzKw initially deployed for Barbarossa. Then the Panthers came out which were designed to kill T-34s, but the Germans were still in clockwork precision mode so the Panthers were produced in fewer numbers than needed and had lots of moving parts that could break. And then the Tigers and King Tigers showed up to suck up production space that could have been better used for Panthers. And lets not forget to mention Hitler's idea of a Maus, a super super heavy tank that would have been an almost mobile flak tower.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 08:18 PM (3d5xg)

387 Prince Ludwig, nah. No treason involved. Something far more damaging, in general - dereliction of constitutional duties, in high office. But if you want movie scene options, I'll take Hoskins as Khrushchev visiting the failed Soviet general in Stalingrad (the one where he walks in and slams a Nagant revolver down on the table and says "the boss would like your resignation").

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 08:19 PM (QDnY+)

388 376 You end up with "hardened steel" that can cut regular steel. By itself,
it's trivia -- but it opens a tiny window into a world where John Moses
Browning (PBUH) can design some of the most influential weapons on the
planet (sorry, had to leave the window open for AKs) in a workshop in
his 3000-square-foot home in Ogden, Utah.///

When Browning was doing his thing thermocouples had replaced magnets.An books with temp vs hardness were widely available.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 01:03 AM (BZey7)



You're going to need a deeper bench to argue that JMB(PBUH) used such sophisticated techniques. Classics like the 1911 were built around a sophisticated idea enabled by simple techniques.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:20 PM (EzgxV)

389 There are threads that I'll remember All my life. Hard to explain. Some deleted, some in paywalls, Some are gone. But, some remain. All these read threads have their moments with Morons and friends I still can recall Some are dead and some are living In my-yy life, I've read them all. But of all these threads and subthreads No one compares with Ace of Spade And these mem'ries lose their meaning When I find a new post someone's made While I know I'll never lose affection For conversations that had to be I know I'll often stop and think about them, but ri-ight now, there's an ONT While I know I'll never lose affection For conversations that had to be I know I'll often stop and think about them, but ri-ight now, there's an ONT

Posted by: mindful webworker - Beatletudes at July 30, 2016 08:20 PM (JWzxO)

390 T-34 with its sloping armor and thick sides was a tough customer for any PzKw initially deployed for Barbarossa.///

I knew they had the sloped front which was an advantage over the Sherman. Did not know they Had good side armor.

So my ignorance appears to be the answer.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:22 PM (BZey7)

391 There were two designs considered to be the Amerikabomber, one was essentially a winged rocket based on the Sanger antipodal bomber design, where the re-entry angle was made to be steep so it would skip against the upper atmosphere and so would extend the range.
the other was a giant jet powered flying wing design.

None of them were even at the proto-type design.  The closest was the antipodal bomber, and that would require both a refueling station in the Pacific, and a rocket that could be trusted to work twice reliably since it would be refueled and flown back to Germany.  The V-2 rocket engine was not up to this, the other rockets like the one in the ME-163 were a possibility but no-where close to being scaled up. 

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 08:23 PM (ry34m)

392 Rhomboid, does the Zimm book break any truly new ground from Gordon Prange's trilogy on the Pearl Harbor attack?

At Dawn We Slept: The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941: The Day the Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor, and Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History are the books in question. For a total of 2,065 pages including appendixes and indexes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 08:24 PM (3d5xg)

393 Person, which movie Alec Baldwin at his peak sexyness? The 'ette can chime in as they please.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 30, 2016 08:25 PM (VdICR)

394 You're going to need a deeper bench to argue that JMB(PBUH) used such sophisticated techniques. Classics like the 1911 were built around a sophisticated idea enabled by simple techniques.///

Metallurgy is art and magnets are mentioned way less than color. So yes thrmocouples may not have been used but magnets weren't also.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:26 PM (BZey7)

395 Weren't T34s just as easy for German tanks to blow up? Do we talk more about Shemans because it was our soldiers in them? Or is that just my ignorance.


Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 01:12 AM


Yes and no. It depends upon the variant in question with each type. Generally speaking, though, of the most numerous types, the T-34 had better armour all round, plus it was sloped effectively. Though to be fair to the Sherman, by the time the Germans are using L48 75's and up on most Panzers, the difference between the two not that significant. Sloped and somewhat thicker armour at longer ranges would make a difference, though.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 08:26 PM (EWg9n)

396 T-72/T-80s will pop like corks because there is a fuel line that runs on the outside around the turret base. Plus because of the auto-loader, the ammo door in combat is always open.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 08:27 PM (3d5xg)

397 Person, which movie Alec Baldwin at his peak sexyness? The 'ette can chime in as they please. Posted by: BourbonChicken The Hunt For Red October. No homo.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 08:28 PM (UPYhp)

398 379 F**k the "FBI director". He should resign and leave the country, he's a disgrace to every virtue and accomplishment in our history. Oh - and a friggin' genius besides - gee, I'd never considered that, you know, that the loose-knit networks of fanatics and sociopaths that make up terrorists outfits would make their way to the west.


If weasel hair wins he should break some more new ground by calling for the resignations of Roberts and this FBI worm. These institutions have given up their integrity, and the current president has trashed two centuries of tradition and decorum, so why not?

Posted by: rhomboid at July 31, 2016 01:12 AM (QDnY+)



Can't be an official plank in the platform -- but 2/3 of the Feds should lose their jobs, with 90% of that facing a lifetime bar. 90% of NGOs should be rolled-up as the criminal enterprises that they are, and there should be a Constitutional Amendment forbidding any payments to NGOs or "educational institutions". 99% of Federal lands should be devolved to states or auctioned (which should be fun, being as most of which were declared such by Executive Orders).



Oh, and both governmental unions and governmental defined-benefit pensions should be shitcanned. One's a conspiracy against taxpayers and the others's a Ponzi.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:28 PM (EzgxV)

399 T-34 with its sloping armor and thick sides was a tough customer for any PzKw initially deployed for Barbarossa. Then the Panthers came out which were designed to kill T-34s, but the Germans were still in clockwork precision mode so the Panthers were produced in fewer numbers than needed and had lots of moving parts that could break. And then the Tigers and King Tigers showed up to suck up production space that could have been better used for Panthers. And lets not forget to mention Hitler's idea of a Maus, a super super heavy tank that would have been an almost mobile flak tower. Posted by: Anna Puma **** They sure loved super weapons. Anna, my dad said the same thing as you about the Tigers, King Tigers, and the Panthers. The psychology behind it is interesting.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 08:28 PM (hVdx9)

400 392 There are threads that I'll remember
All my life. Hard to explain.
Some deleted, some in paywalls,
Some are gone. But, some remain.

All these read threads have their moments
with Morons and friends
I still can recall
Some are dead
and some are living
In my-yy life, I've read them all.

But of all these threads and subthreads
No one compares with Ace of Spade
And these mem'ries lose their meaning
When I find a new post someone's made

While I know I'll never lose affection
For conversations that had to be
I know I'll often stop and think about them,
but ri-ight now, there's an ONT

While I know I'll never lose affection
For conversations that had to be
I know I'll often stop and think about them,
but ri-ight now, there's an ONT

Posted by: mindful webworker - Beatletudes at July 31, 2016 01:20 AM (JWzxO)




30 years ago, that song was my exercise on playing (piano) while singing.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:31 PM (EzgxV)

401 Each Tiger or Panther could kill 4 M-4 Shermans and there was always a fifth or a sixth Sherman out there shooting up the German.

That is a thing many novices forget, the early PzKws really did not mount that impressive of a main gun. I think the II or the III only had a 20mm. And the IVs had a low velocity 75mm IIRC.

Then T-34s started coming out German ears. And the high velocity guns like the Pak 40 75mm were mounted to tanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 08:31 PM (3d5xg)

402 Since Tanks are being mentioned I'll just say that I like Fury and think it's a better WW2 movie than Saving Private Ryan since the newbie doesn't wind up being a cowardly shit that gets everyone killed.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 30, 2016 08:32 PM (uRHkw)

403 Anna, I can't answer your question authoritatively. So far (2/3 thru the book), there were I believe two specific spots where Zimm disputes Prange's take on certain matters. Have not read either of those Prange books, so I don't know where overlap/conflict might exist. Did Prange delve into the incoherence of the Pearl Harbor operation in the context of Japan's existing larger war strategy, or the shoddy planning (failure to achieve surprise was raised by Yamamoto very late in the fall, and Genda and Fuchida really did nothing about it), the pointless risks to surprise for no good reason in the form of midget subs and cruiser float-plane recon missions, the total lack of comms and command and control during the attack, Fuchida's disastrous fumbling of an already lame signal-flare comms plan, the chaos and actual low effectiveness of the torpedo attacks, and the stupid allocation of attacks by dive bombers in the second wave? These are just some of the highlights that Zimm documents. But I have no idea how Prange covered these aspects.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 08:32 PM (QDnY+)

404 Y'all need to look up the lyrics to "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton: http://www.metrolyrics.com/sink-the-bismarck-lyrics-johnny-Horton.html Better yet, listen to it... Now get off of my lawn. Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 30, 2016 11:28 PM (OF/aZ) And, of course, no mention made of the fact that Bismarck was sunk because its steering gear was disabled by a torpedo dropped by a Fairey Swordfish (aka Stringbag) torpedo bomber, so that it could no longer make evasive maneuvers. Nevertheless, a rousing good tune.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 30, 2016 08:37 PM (f3Uae)

405 And, of course, no mention made of the fact that Bismarck was sunk because its steering gear was disabled by a torpedo dropped by a Fairey Swordfish (aka Stringbag) torpedo bomber, so that it could no longer make evasive maneuvers.///

So a shot to the knee.

It still made it back to a port or close before the kill didn't it?

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:41 PM (BZey7)

406 Person, which movie Alec Baldwin at his peak sexyness? D'uh! Team America.

Posted by: NotMe at July 30, 2016 08:41 PM (EuQH7)

407 Don't think so, Willy. Sunk in the open sea (west of Ireland?).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 08:41 PM (QDnY+)

408 T-34 with its sloping armor and thick sides was a tough customer for any PzKw initially deployed for Barbarossa. Then the Panthers came out which were designed to kill T-34s, but the Germans were still in clockwork precision mode so the Panthers were produced in fewer numbers than needed and had lots of moving parts that could break. And then the Tigers and King Tigers showed up to suck up production space that could have been better used for Panthers. And lets not forget to mention Hitler's idea of a Maus, a super super heavy tank that would have been an almost mobile flak tower.



Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2016 01:18 AM


The Germans had Pz-4's that were capable of dealing with T-34's as early as late 41(?), but not in numbers until sometime in 42. The problem was though the guns were reasonably effective at most ranges, the Mk-4's weren't very well armoured themselves, making them vulnerable, considering the numbers of T-34's. The Panther didn't get fielded until mid 43 and the Tiger 1 was introduced in late 42, deployed earlier than the Panther. As great as the Panther was, my take is that it was essentially a waste, production/cost wise. It was expensive to make and more Tiger 1's and Panzer 4's would have suited their needs (already in production), than the Panther and Tiger 2.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 08:42 PM (EWg9n)

409 cthulhu: ...30 years ago, that song was my exercise on playing (piano) while singing. I wrote out the lyrics in fancy penmanship and had them on the wall of my bedroom in high school. Going on half a century ago. Kindasilly -- I read my parody lyrics to Milady before posting, and when I got to the line about "some are dead, and some are living," I choked - the room got a little dusty - as I thought about how real the online friendships are - and online friends and morons gone before. Spins on heels, tips hat, fades for the night.

Posted by: mindful webworker - *zz* at July 30, 2016 08:43 PM (JWzxO)

410 As noted somewhere, this article points out that an Australian sex survey lists 33 different genders from which participants must choose: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/ this-question-about-gender-identity-has-33-possible-answers/ news-story/66b72adfbc566d29453581cc71279d6b So I went a step further and actually clicked through to the survey itself at http://www.australiansexsurvey.com.au/ (not recommended -- the whole survey is a total digital mess), and discovered something even more: not only do they offer 33 different gender identities for participants, but that is actually insufficient and they also have an "Other (please describe briefly) ________" option for gender as well. So I decided to fill out the whole survey (took way too long) just so I could fill in this answer for my gender identity: --- "I have 14 penises sprouting from my forehead, but each one has a mini-vagina at the tip, and I am also from the Poltroon Galaxy where every living being is a gender we call "XQJZRRRRRrrrpp!!!" which you must address me by (AND pronounce correctly) else I will throw a tantrum and pout and you will have to go to jail for the hate crime of disrespecting my delusional hallucinations." --- So, now somewhere in some database of official survey results, that is one of the "genders" which they must release with the final report. That thought alone made the whole thing worth it.

Posted by: zombie at July 30, 2016 08:43 PM (jBuUi)

411 "Y'all need to look up the lyrics to "Sink the Bismarck" by Johnny Horton" I'll see your Johnny Horton and raise you The Reverend Horton Heat: https://youtu.be/BomiqCDLcoE

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 08:45 PM (UPYhp)

412 Earlier this evening while I was grocery shopping, a pair of women's shoes appeared in my shopping cart.  Smaller than my size, very high heels.

I wonder if they were infested with bed bugs? 

Posted by: KT at July 30, 2016 08:45 PM (qahv/)

413 @414 and more Tiger 1's and Panzer 4's would have suited their needs (already in production), than the Panther and Tiger 2. ----------------------- The Tiger I was outdated by early 1944. New Allied tank-mounted guns could knock holes in it by then, and its slow speed meant that it was vulnerable to being outmaneuvered.

Posted by: junior at July 30, 2016 08:47 PM (Xt19I)

414 Then T-34s started coming out German ears. And the high velocity guns like the Pak 40 75mm were mounted to tanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2016 01:31 AM (3d5xg)

All the militaries mounted weak guns on tanks at the beginning of WWII  didn't they?

It was an arms race of armor vs gun and production from The start to the end where production won.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:47 PM (BZey7)

415 415 cthulhu: ...30 years ago, that song was my exercise on playing (piano) while singing.

I wrote out the lyrics in fancy penmanship and had them on the wall of my bedroom in high school. Going on half a century ago.

Kindasilly -- I read my parody lyrics to Milady before posting, and when I got to the line about "some are dead, and some are living," I choked - the room got a little dusty - as I thought about how real the online friendships are - and online friends and morons gone before.

Spins on heels, tips hat, fades for the night.

Posted by: mindful webworker - *zz* at July 31, 2016 01:43 AM (JWzxO)



It's a pretty adult song considering that kids wrote and performed it.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:48 PM (EzgxV)

416 Good evening/morning, everyone! Any of you 'rons or 'ettes have a way to get in touch with Jane D'Oh?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 30, 2016 08:48 PM (rJUlF)

417 It still made it back to a port or close before the kill didn't it? Posted by: Willy J. ----------- No.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:49 PM (w/iDp)

418 Spins on heels, tips hat

Aww. Now cut that out.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 30, 2016 08:52 PM (tIja6)

419 422 Good evening/morning, everyone!

Any of you 'rons or 'ettes have a way to get in touch with Jane D'Oh?

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at July 31, 2016 01:48 AM (rJUlF)



I don't have a direct one.....I know this, because I was in her city feeling hapless when she was on extended hiatus -- and was willing to go to lengths to check in on her to be sure she was ok. I think BC had links, and post-kerfluffle, Maet might have links.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 30, 2016 08:53 PM (EzgxV)

420 Chart of movements re Bismarck: http://preview.tinyurl.com/gpam262

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:54 PM (w/iDp)

421 Don't think so, Willy. Sunk in the open sea (west of Ireland?).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 31, 2016 01:41 AM (QDnY+)


Must have been a different ship I was remembering.

http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/sink-the-bismarck.asp

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 08:55 PM (BZey7)

422 And furthermore, I find it quite ironic that Khan carries around a Constitution while shilling for a woman who will gladly gut at least the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Posted by: Thrawn If he uses his son's sacrifice to browbeat and guilt America into accepting more Muslim immigrants, bringing with them terrorism and creeping sharia, then he can go FOADIAF regardless of what his son did. His patriotism is a sham.

Posted by: Yuimetal at July 30, 2016 08:56 PM (rDxLs)

423 Low effectiveness of the torpedo attacks? California sank in the mud from them. West Virginia was torpedoed and sank. Oklahoma capsized from the torpedo hits. The obsolete battleship Utah took two torpedoes and capsized. Cruiser Ogala also sank.

The second wave dive bombers got distracted as USS Nevada tried to make a break for the open ocean. So they went after the battleship in the hope of sinking her in the main channel. Instead the battleship was beached at Hospital Point.

Prange was always mentioning in the books the rivalry between the Navy and Army in regards to strategic planning. More mention of the lack of planning is mentioned in Miracle at Midway as the Japanese flounder for what to do after their initial attacks had gone so well.

The float plane reconnaissance can be excused as the Japanese needing up to the minute intel that their spy in the Japanese consulate couldn't provide. 

Fuchida would not have had any strategic input, Gendou and Yamamoto's staff would have been putting it all together. And remember during the planning and training for Operation Hawaii it was Nagumo who was being the old lady pestering the attack plan brain trust for answers. He fully expected to lose a good chunk of his fleet in the attack.

As for the mania for midget submarines Prange never offered delved too deeply into the psychology but did note how they could have compromised everything. And they almost did but USS Ward's alert got delayed.

But even if Kimmel and Husband had reacted to midget submarine message, it would probably have meant all the ships going to General Quarters. Raising steam and trying to get out to sea where at least five Japanese submarines were waiting. And it would have meant those ships in deep water and First Air Fleet zipping in. Meanwhile at Hickam and Bellows plus Ewa, mechanics would have been running around trying to unpack planes, refuel them, arm them, and wake up pilots hung over from Saturday night; if a Lt. Kermit had believed Opana Point and had training on what to do. The death toll would have probably higher and ships sunk in deep water could not be recovered.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 08:57 PM (3d5xg)

424 All the militaries mounted weak guns on tanks at the beginning of WWII didn't they? This is a rather involved topic. By 1943 and later standards, yes. But it's also true that very many tanks in 1939 had armor thicknesses between 1/2" and 1-1/2". There were of course some with thicker armor (Matilda II: ~3", Char-B) but they were not plentiful. Of course, there were the KV-1 and KV-2 tanks (big or high velocity guns (for 1939) and 3" of armor all over), which caused many Germans to foul their pantaloons.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 30, 2016 08:57 PM (FlRtG)

425 The Tiger I was outdated by early 1944. New Allied tank-mounted guns could knock holes in it by then, and its slow speed meant that it was vulnerable to being outmaneuvered.


Posted by: junior at July 31, 2016 01:47 AM


On some AFV's. The Tiger 1 was less resilient in 44 than 43, for sure, but, in most cases it was still tough to take out and it's 88 gun would remain more than enough for anything bar the lS-2 and Pershing (and a couple of others) at longer ranges... and there weren't that many of those. Yeah, it was slowish, but they were in full production and did their job in slowing down advances in defence. The Panther was better suited to offensive mobile operations, which the Germans weren't doing much of, by the time it becomes a regular fixture. Don't get me wrong... it as a brilliant all round tank... but, it's gun was only marginally better than the 88 and it's armour was surprisingly thin all round (though sloped). It was very expensive to make and IMHO, wasn't what they really needed at the time, compared to more 4's and Tiger 1's. Lack of air cover made it all rather moot anyway, I guess.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 08:57 PM (EWg9n)

426 Nazi Germany's Battleship Bismarck vs America's Iowa class. Who wins? Love.

Posted by: USS Zumwalt at July 30, 2016 08:58 PM (rDxLs)

427 A nuke would have to retire from the battle after absorbing but a fraction of the damage that a steam turbine ship would handle. Similarly, gas turbines would offer layers of redundancy and flexibility that a nuke couldn't duplicate. CVNs, conversely, aren't really intended to mix it up in the ship to ship slugfest roles, and so are very well suited to their tasks. I'd love to see a BB, with gas turbine plants widely separated in individual engineering spaces, and with the underhull lines of the S.S. United States. Yeah, a 40kt. Battleship. Now that would be all kinds of kick-ass cool, wouldn't it! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX Posted by: Jim at July 31, 2016 12:25 AM (v5iqM) Well, a nuclear-powered ship is a steam turbine ship, just with a different source of fire to the boilers. Given that she doesn't have to have huge bunkers filled with fuel oil, a nuke battleship could have some really serious hardening around her main and backup reactors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 30, 2016 08:59 PM (f3Uae)

428 Must have been a different ship I was remembering. http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/sink-the-bismarck.asp Posted by: Willy J. Maybe you're thinking of WWI. I'm pretty sure after Jutland, the German fleet went back into port and stayed there for the duration.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 09:02 PM (UPYhp)

429 I should've said "surface fleet," the U-boats still went out, obviously.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 09:03 PM (UPYhp)

430 To tie in with The Great War and the emerging U-boat menace

http://uboat.net/articles/98.html

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 09:05 PM (3d5xg)

431 Oh, yeah, the T-34/85 could trouble a Tiger-1, by mid 44 and the Russians made a stack of those. But, the Tiger-1 was still holding up relatively well against those, especially on the front armour. The 88 still had the upper hand over the 85 gun.  The upshot though, is the Panther wasn't much better against the T-34/85 gun wise and was very vulnerable on the sides. If the Germans weren't on the defensive so much by 44, the Panther may have been a game changer.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 09:07 PM (EWg9n)

432 IIRC a very high percentage of King Tigers were put out of action other than by combat. Waste of resources.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 09:08 PM (hVdx9)

433 Gotta call it. Church in the morning and the Anti-everything, Christofascist patriarchy isn't going to perpetuate itself.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 09:10 PM (UPYhp)

434 G'night Horde!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 30, 2016 09:10 PM (UPYhp)

435 Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at July 31, 2016 02:02 AM (UPYhp)

In my search for what I might be missremebering all I can find is the Tirpitz.
Not an exact match but it did get sunk by a port.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:12 PM (BZey7)

436 -sub head- Millions of lo-info chuckleheads crash Dictionary.com in a frenzied attempt to see if "Diaspora" is a good thing or a bad thing.

Posted by: Funeral Guy at July 30, 2016 09:12 PM (X9xMc)

437 IIRC a very high percentage of King Tigers were put out of action other than by combat. Waste of resources.


Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 02:08 AM


Brilliantly armed and armoured, but... it was superfluous... considering the production/cost resources it chewed up. The Tiger-1 could still do the same job. Not as well, but, the Tiger-2 was overkill, when factoring in value for money.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 09:14 PM (EWg9n)

438 Millions of lo-info chuckleheads crash Dictionary.com in a frenzied attempt to see if "Diaspora" is a good thing or a bad thing.

Posted by: Funeral Guy at July 31, 2016 02:12 AM (X9xMc)

And Xhamster.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:15 PM (BZey7)

439 German battleship Tirpitz lurking in its Norwegian fjord was an eternal menace to Allied convoys.

In early '42 after almost getting ambushed by a Royal Navy carrier, the battleship was ordered to never sail if a carrier was reported.

So Chariots, X-Craft, and finally Lancaster bombers succeeded in sinking the battleship in its lair.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 09:16 PM (3d5xg)

440 A nuke would have to retire from the battle after absorbing but a fraction of the damage that a steam turbine ship would handle. Similarly, gas turbines would offer layers of redundancy and flexibility that a nuke couldn't duplicate. Is no big deal, comrade, if Harrison Ford is willing to kill off half his crew repairing the reactor.

Posted by: K-19 at July 30, 2016 09:20 PM (rDxLs)

441 Brilliantly armed and armoured, but... it was superfluous... considering the production/cost resources it chewed up. The Tiger-1 could still do the same job. Not as well, but, the Tiger-2 was overkill, when factoring in value for money. Posted by: otho **** It had all kinds of mechanical problems. They were worse than the Tiger I's even.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 09:21 PM (hVdx9)

442 I love watching WWII history stuff. But am not good at recalling detail.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:21 PM (BZey7)

443 Anna, you really should read Zimm's book. Not gonna go step by step, but in summary bullet point response: * low effectiveness of torpedo attacks vs. what should have been achieved, even with Fuchida blowing surprise with his botched signal flares - Utah was known "no shoot" target (torpedoes from that group of planes ended doing little damage, and they made no effort to seek valuable alternatives), WV and OK took almost all the torpedoes actually launched at Battleship Row as the restricted approach problem was never addressed realistically in planning, and the planes shot down likely wouldn't have been with surprise and diverse approach paths * Zimm says intel *was* up to date from diplomatic source, in fact this brings up another problem - no scenario for "no carriers" was planned or practiced - and in any case there was no way for the scout planes to communicate any "intel" to the attackers, already in the air - so there was no possible benefit to what was already a superfluous undertaking * Fuchida, Genda, and fighter commander did in fact huddle to respond to Yamamoto's "what if we don't achieve surprise" question - and made no serious effort (of course surprise *was* achieved, but benefits thereof materially reduced by botched flare operation and resultant "early" attacks by dive bomber on Ford Island) * 2nd wave dive bomber attack on Nevada made no sense in Japan's own terms due to their understanding of general-purpose bomb effectiveness against battleships (minimal - this is why only armor-piercing bombs from level bombers were allocated to battleships) - cruisers were the primary targets, and valuable/vulnerable ones, for the 2nd wave bombers (who BTW were, insanely, given altered targeting priorities *as they sat on the flight deck with their engines warming up*!! - yet another extremely poor aspect of the operation), Nevada damage was very lucky and still wouldn't have forced grounding w/out a huge unforced damage control error on the ship * subs: the large force deployed to Hawaiian waters achieved almost nothing even with the targets they had, don't think we can just assume they'd have done much with the few ships that might have flushed out of the harbor It's only 380 pages, worth a read. If he has many of his facts (as opposed to interpretations) wrong, I'd be surprised. And the lack of rigorous planning and realistic training, the slipshod operational details, definitely were characteristic of future Japanese performance. So it's interesting in that regard as well.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 09:23 PM (QDnY+)

444 It still made it back to a port or close before the kill didn't it? Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 01:41 AM (BZey7) Based strictly upon my memory of history once read, Bismarck was making a run for the port of LeHavre, which was in Nazi hands. The British eventually brought so many guns to bear upon her that Bismarck caught fire, and her superstructure was glowing red before she capsized and sank.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 30, 2016 09:25 PM (f3Uae)

445 Is Willy J. thinking of the Graf Spee? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Graf_Spee

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 09:26 PM (IqV8l)

446 And Xhamster. Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 02:15 AM (BZey7) No one should have to use Xhamster.

Posted by: John McAfee at July 30, 2016 09:27 PM (vBeA5)

447 Gotta run, but if you bring up the Graf Spee, I'll almost have to tell my Buenos Aires restaurant story (not much of a story - it's the factual backdrop that's interesting).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 09:30 PM (QDnY+)

448 It had all kinds of mechanical problems. They were worse than the Tiger I's even.


Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 02:21 AM


Tiger-2 had a similar engine to the Tiger-1... but had to push a LOT more weight.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 09:34 PM (EWg9n)

449 Is Willy J. thinking of the Graf Spee?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Graf_Spee

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 31, 2016 02:26 AM (IqV8l)

That may be it. A pocket Battleship so close.

http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/battle-of-the-river-plate.asp

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:35 PM (BZey7)

450 Alien Resurrection was shit though. Posted by: otho The prequel Prometheus was intriguing. I hope they're going to do a sequel to that. Why do the glob headed humanoids hate us so?

Posted by: Yuimetal at July 30, 2016 09:39 PM (rDxLs)

451 Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 31, 2016 02:26 AM (IqV8l) That may be it. A pocket Battleship so close.http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/battle-of-the-river-plate.asp Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 02:35 AM (BZey7) I have a 16 mm silent film of the scuttling of the Graf Spee, much of it shot from aircraft. It was a newsreel of the day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 30, 2016 09:41 PM (f3Uae)

452 Willy. J not a contributor of fact but at least in the ballpark of the conversation. Good night all.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:41 PM (BZey7)

453 Tiger-2 had a similar engine to the Tiger-1... but had to push a LOT more weight. Posted by: otho **** The transmission was a weak point on both of them. Of course it was even more so on the KT for the reason you mentioned.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 30, 2016 09:42 PM (hVdx9)

454 I am not sure where Zimm is getting the support for how ill-trained the Operation Hawaii strike force was.

The flare gun is called the vagaries of first contact. Things will go wrong and to expect perfection is to ask for defeat. That seems to be his biggest point doesn't it, Fuchida fumbled the ball. But I am reminded that his critique of Fuchida has only come about since the publication of Shattered Sword where the authors accuse the man of lying in the book he co-wrote on Midway - Midway: The Battle that Doomed Japan.

Orders changing as the planes are getting ready to launch. It is called reality. Look at how many times Nagumo's planes at Midway were switching back and forth between torpedoes and bombs because of the confusing picture he was getting from the reconnaissance planes and Tomonaga after the Midway strike. Or how Yorktown kept one of her dive bomber squadrons at Midway because at Coral Sea they got burned by launching full decks at a Japanese light carrier.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 09:42 PM (3d5xg)

455 312 There used to be a nuclear powered cruiser. http://www.navysite.de/cg/cgn9.htm Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 31, 2016 12:27 AM (IqV8l) There was Long Beach. Bainbridge and Truxtun were commissioned as DLGN, then reclassified as GGN as part of the great frigate re-do. Two Californias were built and commissioned as DLGN. Three Virginias were ordered as DLGNs. All were redesignated as CGN. One Virginia was ordered as a CGN.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 30, 2016 09:44 PM (brIR5)

456 Yikes...  I need to get beauty sleep. Night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 09:47 PM (3d5xg)

457 I worked 14hrs and celebrated The HillbillyQueens birthday, I got her the Arcade versions of Donkey Kong an Galaga (both WORK an are 80percent plus). Stand Up Old School types... She's so fuckin happy, I'm good till Christmas. What was the Hordes favorite Arcade game? Anyone actually own one? Forgive me if I'm off topic a bit....the High Octane is kickin in.... Evenin Y'all....

Posted by: Hillbillyking at July 30, 2016 09:48 PM (a+Olp)

458 What was the Hordes favorite Arcade game?

Defender.

Posted by: Willy J. at July 30, 2016 09:50 PM (BZey7)

459 Saturday night ONT, and it's all tanks, boats, and 80s movies. ...the Hell... Oh, and somebody mentioned buddy flicks. Spies Like Us.

Posted by: reason - TEXIT at July 30, 2016 09:53 PM (nKoz8)

460 Actually no, Anna, the flare problem was that it was a very poorly thought out plan, by any standard, and then of course Fuchida screwed it up. It was pre-first contact. The better alternatives to the clunky scheme chosen come quickly to mind and Zimm lists them. Again I'm just grinding through the book but I do recall that yes, there are a few places where Fuchida's account of something is called into question, but I recall there being some solid objective reasons for that. And I thought the Shattered Sword guys did have Fuchida in a bit of a bind, factually, but it's been years since I read it. The last-second targeting change for the 2nd wave was not, ironically, a response to conditions (as were the chaotic Midway changes), it was just a dubious decision to hit already-damaged ships vs. prioritizing the cruiser targets. The rationale was not given, but I could check the references. The above-expected damage to airfields/aircraft the Zimm also documents was pretty clearly a direct result of non-dispersal/no revetments, though Zimm notes that ironically the "greener" pilots (Zuikaku and Shokaku) assigned to the offensive counter-air mission performed better than some of the more seasoned ones. The attack obviously "succeeded" and in fact met Yamamoto's key objectives - but we can be thankful it was as limited by poor planning and other aspects as it was, or results could have been much worse. One fascinating aspect is that Genda's attack plan did *not* in fact follow Yamamoto's overall priorities. He weighted towards carriers, which of course were absent, making it moot.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 09:59 PM (QDnY+)

461 The transmission was a weak point on both of them. Of course it was even more so on the KT for the reason you mentioned.


Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale-Skeet Surfer at July 31, 2016 02:42 AM


True. It wasn't perfect, but, it was the hand the wehrmacht was dealt. It was the best option for ongoing production they had (for heavy tank). By the time the later stuff comes into the equation, it's too late and they're too expensive to implement. If Hitler hadn't put off new design adoption, it might have been a different story, but he did. Unless the mid to late war new stuff could be produced in miraculous numbers at little reduction in the good (though not perfect) designs they had at midwar, there's little point. I understand the logic behind the Panther and the Tiger-2, but, the advantages were marginal, at best. Not enough to justify the resources comitted to them.

Posted by: otho at July 30, 2016 10:01 PM (EWg9n)

462 Favorite arcade game - kind of obscure, but S.T.U.N. RUNNER. It was one where you sat down on a motorcycle style craft, and raced through polygon laden courses. One of the few games that I could make a quarter last 45min.

Posted by: reason - TEXIT at July 30, 2016 10:03 PM (nKoz8)

463 Well, sack time for me. Night all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 30, 2016 10:04 PM (f3Uae)

464 That may be it. A pocket Battleship so close.http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/battle-of-the-river-plate.asp Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 02:35 AM (BZey7) And I'm happy to see you!

Posted by: Just some Admiral... at July 30, 2016 10:07 PM (vBeA5)

465 Why do the glob headed humanoids hate us so? Globallah told them to ...

Posted by: Adriane the Movie Challenged Critic ... at July 30, 2016 10:07 PM (AoK0a)

466 What was the Hordes favorite Arcade game?
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Battle Zone

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 30, 2016 10:12 PM (i6Yqt)

467 A pocket Battleship so close. Posted by: Willy J. at July 31, 2016 02:35 AM (BZey7) The Deutschland class ships were called Panzerschiffe by the Germans. It was the British who called them pocket battleships. The survivors were redesigned as heavy cruisers in Feb 40. With 28cm guns, they were more in the very heavy cruiser category (such as the Alaska class CB), rather than battleships or even battlecruisers.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 30, 2016 10:14 PM (brIR5)

468 MATT DAMON!

Posted by: Chow Yun Fat at July 30, 2016 10:15 PM (rDxLs)

469 >>>What was the Hordes favorite Arcade game? Mrs. Pac-man.

Posted by: Yuimetal at July 30, 2016 10:20 PM (rDxLs)

470 R.I.P. ONT

Posted by: Yuimetal at July 30, 2016 10:29 PM (rDxLs)

471 It's not dead. Just taking a nap.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 30, 2016 10:33 PM (WVsWD)

472 Pining for the fjords.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 30, 2016 10:42 PM (brIR5)

473 *kicks thread* *thread rolls over in the gutter*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 30, 2016 10:55 PM (mgbwf)

474 *thread rolls over in the gutter* Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 31, 2016 03:55 AM (mgbwf) *rifles through thread's pockets* *loots body*

Posted by: I saw your [s]Mommy[/s] [b]thread[/b] and your [s]Mommy[/s] [b]thread[/b] is dead... at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (vBeA5)

475 Come on. If I still drank booze, I would probably be in the gutter too.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 30, 2016 10:57 PM (WVsWD)

476 Hey. I lent the thread $10 and a Metro card. Anyone seen them?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 30, 2016 11:03 PM (mgbwf)

477 Once everyone gets home from the club, it'll pick up. Maybe.....

Posted by: Hill at July 30, 2016 11:08 PM (a+Olp)

478 "*loots body*" *watches* *flings out switchblade* Hand it over.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 11:14 PM (9ym/8)

479 Threads starting to get mean now. *backs away slowly. don't make eye contact*

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 30, 2016 11:20 PM (WVsWD)

480 Somebody in New Hampshire is very happy.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 11:30 PM (iQIUe)

481 "Threads starting to get mean now. " Oh, no. Just want to make sure Frumy B. gets his stuff back.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 30, 2016 11:31 PM (9ym/8)

482 "Somebody in New Hampshire is very happy. " 49 year old New Hampshire resident finally loses virginity?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 30, 2016 11:32 PM (WVsWD)

483 Isn't "assisted opening" the preferred term nowadays? Ha....The real world is ridiculous. Up is down and black is white, by the way. U know, but others don't. Eventually a Karambit will be defined as a perpetual motion myth. A more sophisticated an Powerful BanHammer is needed. If Only.......

Posted by: Hill at July 30, 2016 11:35 PM (a+Olp)

484 Meanwhile... on the ONT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9d0lgh3vQ

Posted by: The Fightin' Hat at July 30, 2016 11:37 PM (vBeA5)

485 Night all. A little mood music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 30, 2016 11:38 PM (vBeA5)

486 Okay, that soccer goalie video is hilarious.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 30, 2016 11:49 PM (HnTr/)

487 Dumbass couldnt keep his mouth shut: "They can desecrate our churches and kill our priests, we will fight terrorism by protecting [the] Muslim because that is the Republic." The message, posted on Twitter the day of the attack of the Norman church of Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray , on 25 July, did not leave indifferent twittosphere. The author of this tweet, Patrick Klugman, deputy mayor of Paris and lawyer Femen activists (especially known for their protests within churches ) had to withdraw before the many negative reactions to it.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:04 AM (iQIUe)

488 About 20 innocent cars and trucks were burned up in St Denis Friday night because of muslim.... Sob

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:06 AM (iQIUe)

489 1 dead, 3 injured in Austin shooting because of gangbangers...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:10 AM (iQIUe)

490 We live in an age where the investigation IS the cover-up.

Posted by: RKae at July 31, 2016 12:11 AM (zoLKR)

491 261 The muslim dad mentioned the U.S. Constitution. which does he put as the highest authority - sharia law or the Constitution?/// It would be a great question to ask except Taqiyya makes his answer useless. __________________________ Saying you're a good Muslim and a good American is contradictory. You can't be both. The American ideals (e.g., freedom of religion, freedom of speech, separation of church and state, equal civil rights for women, free markets, etc.) are antithetical to the teachings of the koran (e.g., Islam is supreme, the state should be run by Islamists, non-Islamists [i.e., infidels] are inferior and have inferior rights, women are inferior and have inferior rights to men, markets must be operated according to Islamist dictates such as no interest may be charged, etc.). Saying you're a loyal American and also a loyal Muslim is like saying you believe that people should always wear clothes in public, and you also believe that people should always go naked in public. Which is it? It can't be both, because the two beliefs contradict each other.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at July 31, 2016 12:12 AM (NnYnv)

492 I've got a cat under the bed, you can't sleep with a cat there because you get pounced on. Guests I'm up.

Posted by: Skip at July 31, 2016 12:18 AM (bksJQ)

493 Explosion on ferry in Marseilles. Passengers evacuated.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:21 AM (iQIUe)

494 The shootings in Austin - ugh. Especially on 6th st. Thats the bar district. Rowdy but never deadly......

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:25 AM (1cPdt)

495 4:30 on a Sunday Morning and BwaW is just full of good news.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 31, 2016 12:26 AM (WVsWD)

496 And the Lockhart hit air balloon crash - only released the name of the pilot and two passengers so far. I have a very close friend who's been talking about taking a ride this weekend, and I can't get a hold of her.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:27 AM (1cPdt)

497 I have 0 faith the IRS is really looking into anything about the Clinton Foundation

Posted by: Skip at July 31, 2016 12:28 AM (bksJQ)

498 APD presser soon. Downtown Austin is secured, they say. One woman dead, three wounded. Two shootings, five gunshots reported.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:30 AM (1cPdt)

499 Scratch that. Four injured, one dead. No word on arrests.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:31 AM (1cPdt)

500 #Erdogan supporters are starting to gather at rally site in Cologne. 30.000 participants expected by afternoon. =========== Ugh. Last time that many muzzies met in Cologne, a lot of woman got raped.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:38 AM (iQIUe)

501 Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 05:31 AM (1cPdt) Any info on the shooter(s)? Names? Motives?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 31, 2016 12:38 AM (WVsWD)

502 Tim - Nothing. Given the hour and the place, drunk/high gangbanger types are likeliest. But this kinda thing is rare in that part of town. East Austin, or in the ghettos up north of downtown, by rundberg, no shock. But downtown.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:42 AM (1cPdt)

503 blackbirdlivesmatter.

Posted by: Eromero at July 31, 2016 12:44 AM (zLDYs)

504 "But downtown....." 50/50 chance this has nothing to do with a "religion of peace"

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 31, 2016 12:46 AM (WVsWD)

505 Tim - Better odds than that. It just looks to be stuoid urban yoot violence. We get some of that, even here.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:48 AM (1cPdt)

506 The fact that one of the wounded - a male - refused treatment tells me that much. If I'm APD, I'm checking him out for sure.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Still Accepting Harem Applicants at July 31, 2016 12:51 AM (1cPdt)

507 So, guy did the plane jump with out a chute. What a nut. Glad he survived but still.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 31, 2016 12:52 AM (iQIUe)

508 EMT up.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. at July 31, 2016 01:02 AM (WVsWD)

509 Mornin'. Got caught up in watching all Mike Tyson's fights in order (one convenient channel on YouTube.) Remembering how we used to pony up for pay-per-view for some of them. Still pisses me off that the ref gave Douglas the long count when Tyson had him down. Tyson had that fight won. Not that it would have mattered much though as his career didn't have much life left to it anyway at that point. The early fights were a hoot. Sure the opponents were a bunch of mooks but damn, he knocked just about everybody out within a minute. My favorite was the quick demolition of Michael Spinks, but at the time I sure wasn't happy! We had a party for that fight and the main event was over before everyone had even sat down. That was one of the ones at Trump's casinos.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at July 31, 2016 01:03 AM (WlGX+)

510 Bedtime for me. Back issues catch up afte the day. Time to plan for when we get better insurance in Nov. Be well all, I'm surviving tonight.

Posted by: Farmer at August 01, 2016 06:25 PM (o/90i)

511 Looks like I killed the ONT. LOL Be well all.

Posted by: Farmer at August 01, 2016 08:29 PM (o/90i)

512 Oh yeah, it's dead. Just woke up, guess no one else has.

Posted by: Farmer at August 01, 2016 09:16 PM (o/90i)

513 HA HA!

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at August 05, 2016 01:42 PM (nE/OV)

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