December 30, 2013

Overnight Open Thread (12-30-2013)
— Maetenloch

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Why Is The United States The Greatest Thing In The History Of Ever?

You know, Canada's nice. Too nice, according to Canadians, but they're just being, well, too nice about the whole thing. They don't want you to feel bad about how nice they are. That wouldn't be nice. The British Isles are fairly pleasant. They have nuclear weapons, but I never get the impression they'd use them or anything. They're like the hood ornament on a Jaguar. It doesn't matter what's on the hood, because the car is always in the shop. I think Finnish people are nice, or would be, at least, if they would answer a question without staring at their shoes. Australians are a blast, of course. I think it's all the Foster's and everything being poisonous in their country that makes them so jolly. Why be glum if even the fuzzy, cute animals might drop you where you stand? The orchestra played at a 12 degee pitch on the Titanic, didn't it? Might as well; it's less work than panicking.

No, the US is not the greatest thing in the history of ever because we're all nice, or fun, or polite, or smart, or salubrious, or even interesting. We're the Greatest thing in the history of ever because we spent $25 billion just so we could do donuts on Old Man Moon's lawn.

The rest of our Federal budget? We wasted it.

Well the ability to deliver a physics package on a miscreant anywhere in the world within the hour is pretty awesome too.

And we recently achieved this even with no government funding. So we have that going for us.

MISSY

The Problem With Camille Paglia

Actually, there is nothing in the WSJ article that indicates a leftist or even a liberal orientation on Paglia's part, although that vote for Obama would certainly suggest it. That is the puzzlement of the Obama appeal; how could someone like Paglia have ended up voting for him?

There's a hint of the answer in this interview with Paglia from October of 2012. She didn't support Obama any more by 2012, but asked why she wasn't voting for Romney instead, this was her answer:

I cannot cast a vote for a party that cast so many votes in the primaries for the vile Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum! The Democrats may be naive about institutions and economics, but the Republicans seem to be culturally and psychologically naive in imagining for a single second that Newt Gingrich is a deep and erudite thinker!

Did she consider Obama "a deep and erudite thinker"? And is that the proper criteria by which to elect a president, or is it more akin to the selection of a professorship in the academia Paglia has criticized so strongly?

Paglia goes on to add, "No, the Republican Party has become very provincial in terms of culture," in contrast to Nelson Rockefeller's abstract art collection; I kid you not. But that's Paglia for you.

I've always found Camille Paglia interesting yet ultimately frustrating as a writer since I started reading her essays in the 90s. She can seem very clear-headed and generally conservative yet this never seems to translate into a coherent world view and she consistently supports liberal democrats. So I eventually decided that a lot of her shtick is really just contrarianism mixed with emotion and clever writing. Which puts in the same for-entertainment-only-not-to-be-taken-seriously category as Peggy Noonan.

I'm Shocked, Shocked to Learn that Scientific Studies of Conservatives Can't Be Replicated

Concerned by the unreliability of scientific research in the field of psychology, an international group, the Many Labs Replication Project, began fact-checking major research. Of the thirteen studies it reviewed, only two were proven completely unreliable - and both had to do with conservative political behavior.

Both studies concerned "social priming," a phenomenon by which people are made more likely to endorse a view or act in a particular way by first being exposed to certain stimuli.

...Scientific American, in telling this story, fails to note an irony which is not without its own scientific significance. The Project's review suggests a much-more-than-random failure of scientific studies that pertain to conservative views and beliefs. Scientists' inability to form sound theses in this area and to pursue their evidence with good methodology is a morsel that one interested in academic bias should not want to pass up.

PeterGhostbustersBluraysc01

The Words of 2013

BAE n. Spelling representation of a dialect pronunciation of babe or baby. The catchphrase "bae caught me slippin" (meaning, "My baby caught me sleeping") came into vogue as a caption to photographs taken by people pretending to be asleep.

CIS adj. Identifying the gender that one was born to and identifies with, as in cismale for "male with male gender identity." Short for cisgender, an antonym of transgender. Pronounced as siss.

CRONUT n. A wonderful pastry that is part croissant, part doughnut and part hype.

DEEP STATE n. A hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change. Some have said that Egypt is being manipulated by its deep state.

RESTING BITCH FACE, BITCHY RESTING FACE, BITCH FACE n. A face that, when at rest, looks angry, irritated or aggressive.

Also Words That Appeared The Year You Were Born

The Asian Naval Scorecard

PACOM

And China's Slow Motion Conquest.
The Chinese campaign of conquering real, or imagined, nearby "lost territories" by winning many little victories in battles none of the victims is willing to go to war over continues. This campaign is quite active in the South China Sea, North Korea and along the Indian border. China has, in the last few years, taken control of sizable chunks of India and large swaths of the South China Sea one tiny piece at a time. The victims are organizing, but have yet to come up with a workable defense against the Chinese tactics. Despite growing resistance by the victims, and their ally the United States, China keeps pushing and keeps making progress. Nothing any of the victims has done so far has stopped the Chinese, who apparently believe that ultimate victory is theirs because their opponents are too disorganized or intimidated to put up any effective resistance. Nevertheless, it is a risky game and there are constant minor crises that could go awry and become major problems.

Traditions in Sports That Are Awesome

I didn't realize that playoff beards went back as far as the 80s.

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The 1914 English Rugby Team

And their fates.

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The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.

And my twitter thang.

Tonight's post brought to you by colonization plan 47-B:

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1 FIRST!

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 04:50 PM (z4WKX)

2 Second too?

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 04:51 PM (z4WKX)

3 The number of law-enforcement officers killed by firearms in 2013 fell to levels not seen since the days of the Wild West, according to a report released Monday. The annual report from the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund also found that deaths in the line of duty generally fell by 8 percent and were the fewest since 1959. According to the report, 111 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers were killed in the line of duty nationwide this past year, compared to 121 in 2012. Forty-six officers were killed in traffic related accidents, and 33 were killed by firearms. The number of firearms deaths fell 33 percent in 2013 and was the lowest since 1887.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 30, 2013 04:52 PM (e8kgV)

4 Cute cat drawings found during today's webcomic trawl.

(includes cousins of Grumpy Cat)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/le8ak92

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 30, 2013 04:55 PM (ioT3q)

5 RESTING BITCH FACE, BITCHY RESTING FACE, BITCH FACE n. A face that, when at rest, looks angry, irritated or aggressive. Someone here said that is the face the Mochelle always has on, when TFG took the selfie with Danish PM at Mandela’ service.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 04:55 PM (z4WKX)

6 dammit!

Posted by: Peaches at December 30, 2013 04:56 PM (8lmkt)

7 BINGO!

Posted by: DeHarra Waters at December 30, 2013 04:56 PM (jMTuU)

8 Why is there a 'Universal Studios' bumper sticker on the lunar rover?

Posted by: Tin-foil hatted Cicero Kid at December 30, 2013 04:57 PM (6fSty)

9 Hi Peaches! Happy New Year, Carol. I was sick for ten days and got better and got sick again Saturday morning. I have been working from home but took a nap. I have to finish up what I am supposed to have done. I’l be back later unless I end up taking another nap.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 04:58 PM (z4WKX)

10 Doesn't matter if the Chinese have 10 subs and the US has 100 as long as they know TFG is afraid to send ours into combat

It also doesn't hurt that the Chinese could send us into bankruptcy by dumping T-Bills all at once

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 04:58 PM (aTXUx)

11 Can we get a straight link through to amazon in addition to the one that gets ad-blocked?  Thanks.

Posted by: lymond at December 30, 2013 04:59 PM (fzxq4)

12 Wonder what the estimated missile (ship-to-ship and other) stockpiles are amongst the nations on that Naval Scorecard.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 30, 2013 04:59 PM (ZyqBH)

13 You can colonize the moon...

... but first you will blow us.

Posted by: the Russians we have to ride to space with at December 30, 2013 05:00 PM (2ljO9)

14 Evenin' fappers!

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 05:00 PM (UAMVq)

15 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 05:01 PM (T1005)

16 And the Greenies are still trapped by Antarctic ice. So is General Franco still dead.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:03 PM (f1IeF)

17 Yo Morons

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2013 05:03 PM (Ua6T/)

18 15 Aloha! Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:01 PM (T1005) How's the water down in R'lyeh?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 05:04 PM (UAMVq)

19 BINGO!
Put yer pants back on.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2013 05:04 PM (Ua6T/)

20 We have nuclear weapons because the French do, Prime Minister.

Posted by: sir humphrey appleby at December 30, 2013 05:04 PM (8AHeV)

21 Nice Maet. WWI completely destroyed the British Empire, killed the upper class and put the country in to hock to the USA. It was over. We should have never gotten into the war and Germany would have settled. No Hitler, no Stalin. Wilson ruined the 20th century like only an asshole democrat could do. Australians are a blast, of course. I think it's all the Foster's and everything being poisonous in their country that makes them so jolly. Why? Genetics. They are all descendants from prisoners.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:05 PM (0FSuD)

22 16 And the Greenies are still trapped by Antarctic ice I think the only thing that could break them out now is my schadenboner.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 05:05 PM (UAMVq)

23 Happy anniversary AOS!

Posted by: Bomber at December 30, 2013 05:05 PM (l3XcC)

24 Common Core Cult of Personality If there were any doubt as to the indoctrination of children in the “publik skewls” via “Common Core” materials, it has now been swept away More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=4562

Posted by: The NSA at December 30, 2013 05:06 PM (AymDN)

25 Hey Bomber! How's home-life?

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at December 30, 2013 05:07 PM (noB3y)

26 Okay, so The OED ignored my birthday. Big deal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 05:07 PM (aDwsi)

27 23 Happy anniversary AOS! If you had the premium membership, you would have gotten the bottle of Valu rite ace sent everyone. Pay up sucker.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:07 PM (0FSuD)

28 Ironically, if it's deep and erudite thinking Paglia wanted, Rick Santorum was the best of the bunch. "It Takes A Family" lays out an internally-consistent brief for how the American state should work. I don't agree at all with the role Santorum wants for the state; but if it wasn't persuasively argued, at least it was passionately and logically argued.

And it freaked out Andrew Sullivan, who's still blogging about it; so it's got to be good.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:07 PM (Xfl0F)

29 WWI completely destroyed the British Empire, killed the upper class and put the country in to hock to the USA. It was over. We should have never gotten into the war and Germany would have settled. No Hitler, no Stalin. Wilson ruined the 20th century like only an asshole democrat could do. Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:05 PM (0FSuD) And as was discussed on a thread a few days ago, apparently World War I made England far more homosexual than it ought to be. At least that was the consensus at the time. It's that gene thing again. You kill off the bravest and most heroic of men, and the Nancy boy's children will spike as a result.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:08 PM (bb5+k)

30 Maybe Ceramic Squirrel could save the trapped eco-warriors...

The ship graphic is vague. A gray ship silhouette is said to mean 'not deployable in the Pacific.'  But what about USN carriers that are going through post deployment refit or even a refueling or SLEP?  So the graphic is simple and wrong.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:08 PM (f1IeF)

31 I'll help colonize the Moon (or Mars). What I lack in skill-set I'll make up with pluck. g'evenin', 'rons (narrowly avoided a trip to TheBarrel™)

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 05:08 PM (JMmQ9)

32 16 And the Greenies are still trapped by Antarctic ice. So is General Franco still dead. Even the fucking Chinese could not get them out. Did you see the mail story. Green member of Aus parliament doing exercises on deck.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:08 PM (0FSuD)

33 Evenin' Horde

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:08 PM (KuZ6A)

34 It also doesn't hurt that the Chinese could send us into bankruptcy by dumping T-Bills all at once Treasury Bonds are the new Mutual Assured Destruction.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth te tinfoil at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (jTKU5)

35 On the road right now. Been in Arkansas to see family. Home tomorrow. Back to work sometime in Feb.

Posted by: Bomber at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (l3XcC)

36 Evening, ladies and germs.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (4Mv1T)

37 I shall refer to Bomber as Domestic Bomber.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (aDwsi)

38 I saw what happened to those cosmonauts in Solaris, so no doll in space is going to inflate me. Nyet!

Posted by: Otto the autopilot at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (R6JT1)

39 As for Gingrich: yeah, he's a flake. He's good for annoying the media but when he spooned with Pelosi on that couch, well . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:09 PM (Xfl0F)

40 Camille Paglia is interesting. When she agrees with me, I enjoy reading what she says nearly as much as I enjoy reading anyone. She has a gift for making words. But she is no deep thinker. Most of her stuff is from her gut, and that's her strength (and weakness).

Her comments about Gingrich typically miss the point. His role on the right is not "deep and erudite thinker." It is "master tactician, master verbal fencer." He states the obvious in very clear terms, and is not intimidated by context or process, so he'll happily mix it up with people like debate moderators who are used to deference. We have strayed so far in the direction of ignoring obvious things (like "hey, we're spending much more money than we have, and it will collapse someday, and that day is not far off"), that it may seem to someone not paying attention that Newt is attempting to be erudite. He is not. He is trying to get across to your easily-distractable brain that this shit is real.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (bKA83)

41 It's that gene thing again. You kill off the bravest and most heroic of men, and the Nancy boy's children will spike as a result. So Pajama Boy is part English?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (UAMVq)

42 Oh, and Happy Birthday, Hammer.

Shall we sing?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (4Mv1T)

43 18 15 Aloha!
Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:01 PM (T1005)

How's the water down in R'lyeh?

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 10:04 PM (UAMVq)



Murky and stirring by itself.....just like it's supposed to be.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (T1005)

44 @29 True dat, I remember the thread and thinking, why the fuck didn't I think of that.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (0FSuD)

45 Of course, almost half of the US fleet is in the Atlantic. Having access to 2 oceans is a blessing and a curse. Mostly a blessing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (ZPrif)

46 37 I shall refer to Bomber as Domestic Bomber. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 10:09 PM (aDwsi) Do we really need more NSA agents assigned to this place?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (JpFMR)

47 Which Solaris?  The original Soviet movie or the George Clooney remake?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (f1IeF)

48 Ironically, China is just like Japan early last century. Minus Shinto, raping, marches, or bayonets, so far.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (sOtz/)

49 Green member of Aus parliament doing exercises on deck. Posted by: Nip Sip ---------------- All that was missing was a toga and a fiddle. What freaking caricature those people are.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 05:10 PM (aDwsi)

50

Solaris was a very odd and compelling movie. Sorry, saw it mentioned above (#3 .

Posted by: puddleglum at December 30, 2013 05:11 PM (15w2J)

51 I hope the greenies stay stuck til spring but no such luck they will be helicoptered out. Nary a word in the MSM as to the fact they were there to investigate global warming, hahahahahaha.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (KuZ6A)

52 Do we really need more NSA agents assigned to this place? Posted by: BCochran ----------------- I figure we keep the klaxon sounding over there all of the time anyhow.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (aDwsi)

53

Now where did that smiley face come from? That should be #36.

Posted by: puddleglum at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (15w2J)

54 So I eventually decided that a lot of her shtick is really just contrarianism mixed with emotion and clever writing. Which puts in the same for-entertainment-only-not-to-be-taken-seriously category as Peggy Noonan.

More Sullivan, 1995-2004.

Noonan's not even a contrarian. She's good at spinning out flowery prose for whatever she feels is the Zeitgeist at any given moment.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (Xfl0F)

55 It occurred to me, during the AoS birthday, that I stumbled into this place not too long after its unholy inception. Early 2004 by my reckoning. Jeebus, that's a lot of time wasted. I blame Ace and the horde for the shattered ruin that is my life... in a good way, of course.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Hibernian Hooligan at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (6rcHp)

56 16 And the Greenies are still trapped by Antarctic ice.

Greenies? No, no, historical re-enactors. Say, did you hear that someone got killed by his dogs in Arizona? Why don't you look over there for a while.

Posted by: The MSM at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (bKA83)

57 Wait, so now that TR is here NC has a quorum?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (0FSuD)

58 /off spying sock!

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (AymDN)

59 Aussies don't drink Foster's. And from what i've heard, Mexicans don't drink Corona.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 05:12 PM (V4CBV)

60 Ironically, China is just like Japan early last century. Minus Shinto, raping, marches, or bayonets, so far. Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 10:10 PM (sOtz/) This Century is not over. Give them time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2013 05:13 PM (t3UFN)

61 Original.

Posted by: Otto the autopilot at December 30, 2013 05:13 PM (R6JT1)

62 @3 If cops obeyed traffic laws instead of just enforcing them...

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 05:13 PM (sOtz/)

63 Welcome home Bomber!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 30, 2013 05:13 PM (60Vyp)

64 Her comments about Gingrich typically miss the point. His role on the right is not "deep and erudite thinker." It is "master tactician, master verbal fencer."

Yeah, that, and thanks. Which is why it hurts when he doesn't even do that.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (Xfl0F)

65 I figure we keep the klaxon sounding over there all of the time anyhow. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 10:12 PM (aDwsi) I wasn't that nervous about it till my posts started auto correcting themselves.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (0FSuD)

66 Some day we'll discover that all of us are NSA. What a waste of time.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth t tinfoil at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (jTKU5)

67 Awesome:  Short film called Croft that's a tip of the hat to Tomb Raider.

http://tinyurl.com/kgs8qe4

Posted by: Sharkman at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (TM1p8)

68 I figure we keep the klaxon sounding over there all of the time anyhow. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 10:12 PM (aDwsi) I'm hoping eventually they'll just become numb to it and ignore us.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (JpFMR)

69 repeating my recommendation for RUSH I almost nixed it 5 minutes in but then it got better. THOR is in it. Richie Cunningham directed it. Plus, engines and cars.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (09CLD)

70 47 Which Solaris? The original Soviet movie or the George Clooney remake? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 10:10 PM (f1IeF) I liked them both, though I thought the Russian one was better. The Russians actually do some pretty good science fiction.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (bb5+k)

71 Aussies don't drink Foster's. And from what i've heard, Mexicans don't drink Corona. Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 10:12 PM (V4CBV) Aussies drink anything you put in front of them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2013 05:14 PM (t3UFN)

72 59 And from what i've heard, Mexicans don't drink Corona.

Maybe they're smart enough to know that beer in clear glass bottles turns skunky, and that a damn lime is not a sufficient way to address the problem?

Besides, who would drink Corona, when Negra Modelo could be had?

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:15 PM (bKA83)

73 Posting from an iPad on hotel wifi is more work than I expected. See y'all tomorrow. Or maybe next year.

Posted by: Bomber at December 30, 2013 05:15 PM (l3XcC)

74 Aussies drink anything you put in front of them or yourself Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2013 10:14 PM (t3UFN) FIFY

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:15 PM (0FSuD)

75 If cops obeyed traffic laws instead of just enforcing them... Word. Some of the worst drivers I've seen have been cops.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 30, 2013 05:15 PM (UAMVq)

76 Wait, so now that TR is here NC has a quorum?

Posted by: Nip Sip
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It's more of a loose confederation, really. 


I will say that the Old North State is rather well represented at the HQ.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 05:16 PM (4Mv1T)

77 The ship graphic is vague. A gray ship silhouette is said to mean 'not deployable in the Pacific.' But what about USN carriers that are going through post deployment refit or even a refueling or SLEP? So the graphic is simple and wrong.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 10:08 PM (f1IeF)


The original chart says 'not currently deployed in the Pacific"

Posted by: Mtenloch at December 30, 2013 05:16 PM (XkotV)

78 51 I hope the greenies stay stuck til spring but no such luck they will be helicoptered out. Nary a word in the MSM as to the fact they were there to investigate global warming, hahahahahaha. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 10:12 PM (KuZ6A) This is one of those occasions where if conservatives had access to some mass media, we could make a very telling point regarding the global warming bullshit. Unfortunately, we don't have access to mass media, so the public isn't going to hear much about this incident. Certainly the existing media won't point and laugh.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:17 PM (bb5+k)

79 I wonder how many books will be written by those idiots in Antarctica.  Bet they will compare themselves somehow to the hardships faced by Amundsen, Scott, and Shackleton.  All the while bashing the technology that saves for harming the 'unspoiled beauty of Antarctica.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:17 PM (f1IeF)

80 Jon Gabriel has outed himself as a Scandi on twitter. I have therefore called him a dirty scandi and linked ace's Scandi's Go Home post.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:17 PM (JpFMR)

81 Wonder what the estimated missile (ship-to-ship and other) stockpiles are amongst the nations on that Naval Scorecard. Posted by: Thrawn Most of the Chinese subs are either noisy or butt-slow diesel electrics. The Russian ships are generally in a poor state of repair. I would bet a lot of their equipment would fizzle in combat. And our Navy has a morale problem because the DoD and our CiC has dickhead leadership. Only the Japanese have a clear idea of what they are doing and why.

Posted by: Dana Barrett at December 30, 2013 05:18 PM (dCwZe)

82 Dude , there's a vid of Missy the sex doll a couple of links deep... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G17RdYm8x2Q

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 30, 2013 05:18 PM (DmNpO)

83 This Century is not over. Give them time Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 30, 2013 10:13 PM (t3UFN) For sure. They are going to have to do SOMETHING with that lopsided male population they've got now.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:18 PM (bb5+k)

84 "Besides, who would drink Corona, when Negra Modelo could be had?" Word.....brought to you by a big chested brown native girl in a thong...on the beach.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 30, 2013 05:19 PM (60Vyp)

85 I would say on any given night we can get the weather across NC in real time. Wonder why the HQ has so many NC morons?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:19 PM (0FSuD)

86 Some day we'll discover that all of us are NSA. ---- Sometimes I wonder about the poor sap at the NSA who is assigned to monitor the horde. I imagine it rubs off on him or her. I wonder if he ever walks into a meeting and says " 'sup, jackwagons?" instead of "good morning" or reflexively shouts out "Crossbows!" during a pointless heated argument.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 30, 2013 05:19 PM (5JhS+)

87 64 Yeah, that, and thanks. Which is why it hurts when he doesn't even do that.

It does hurt. I try to repress the picture of the couch-with-Pelosi scene. The other part of Newt is "he has a flaky side where you never know what the hell he is going to do on impulse." If he didn't have that, he might have been President at some point.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:19 PM (bKA83)

88 WWI completely destroyed the British Empire, killed the upper class and put the country in to hock to the USA. It was over. We should have never gotten into the war and Germany would have settled. No Hitler, no Stalin.

Germany would more likely have won, at great cost to itself. But at least it wouldn't have been able to claim it had been stabbed in the back [by Jews]. So, no Hitler.

But Germany's victory would have been engineered by letting Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky gain control over Russia and sign a separate peace. Oh wait a minute. That actually happened! Germany *did* let Lenin take over Russia and sign a separate peace. With or without American involvement.

So, we probably still get Stalin in this counterfactual where the Americans let Kaiser Bill win.

The argument I'd rather have is whether *the Brits* should have told the Belgians, Frogs, Serbs and Russkies to go their own way when the Kaiser came calling.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:20 PM (Xfl0F)

89 Canada has somehow concealed their aircraft carrier from the tally on the chart.

My sources say that the RCN Lord Mayor Rob Ford can launch wood & canvas biplanes capable of striking unescorted German battleships.

The Pacific strength chart does not look at the underside of any ships.  Many were made in China and sold at discount outlets.  The number of Sweatshop Class frigates in those fleets might surprise you.

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 30, 2013 05:20 PM (XZNzU)

90 B Cochran thumbs I didn't see that one haven't checked in on twitter today but will later just to see. Ha ha

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:21 PM (KuZ6A)

91  Aussies don't drink Foster's. 

 

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 10:12 PM

 

 

The Rum Rebellion... Just sayin'.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 05:21 PM (9gNQd)

92 Why does Missouri have a frowny face? Bomber, welcome back. Ten fingers, ten toes, ten inches, right?

Posted by: blaster at December 30, 2013 05:22 PM (aqMrr)

93 I thought the lime in the beer bottle was to keep the flies out.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 05:22 PM (V4CBV)

94 Why isn't "cromulent" on the word list?

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2013 05:23 PM (sdi6R)

95 Maet thanks for the clarification on the verbiage.  What I get from going from memory.  Still as been pointed out.  Two ocean navy, post deployment re-fits for all ships in a CBG, plus the ones that have to go into something like SLEP means the available pool of combat ready ships is far lower than even that graphic shows.  And the LCS fleet with be a net manpower drain and simply missile traps because the blasted things don't even have something as simple as Harpoon installed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:23 PM (f1IeF)

96 Only the Japanese have a clear idea of what they are doing and why. Posted by: Dana Barrett at December 30, 2013 10:18 PM (dCwZe) And I shall not be too surprised if and when it is revealed that the Japanese are once more punching way outside their weight class.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:23 PM (bb5+k)

97 86 Sometimes I wonder about the poor sap at the NSA who is assigned to monitor the horde. I imagine it rubs off on him or her. I wonder if he ever walks into a meeting and says " 'sup, jackwagons?" instead of "good morning" or reflexively shouts out "Crossbows!" during a pointless heated argument.

I pity his Scandi colleagues.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:23 PM (bKA83)

98 ... I wonder if he ever walks into a meeting and says " 'sup, jackwagons?" instead of "good morning" or reflexively shouts out "Crossbows!" during a pointless heated argument. Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 30, 2013 10:19 PM I have done both. It takes some 'splaining.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 05:23 PM (JMmQ9)

99 69

repeating my recommendation for RUSH

I almost nixed it 5 minutes in but then it got better. THOR is in it. Richie Cunningham directed it.

Plus, engines and cars.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 30, 2013 10:14 PM (09CLD)


The love scene between Jason Patric and Jennifer Jason Leigh was heartwarming, too.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 30, 2013 05:24 PM (5l5UA)

100 Crap should have said thumbs up,I've been sick today I blame my lacking of cognizant typing on this oh and the iPad.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:24 PM (KuZ6A)

101 @88 I think the Russian problem would have been addressed by the Germans ASAP, before Stalin showed up. Remember for about 10 years after Russian settled out in 1918, the country was still in a civil war.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:24 PM (0FSuD)

102 To celebrate Muslim achievements in science and engineering, we will soon launch Al-Missy, the sex goat doll. Just as soon as we can find a virgin...

Posted by: NASA at December 30, 2013 05:24 PM (FcR7P)

103 Howdy, y'all! I'm not here for long, I'm afraid, but is AtC around, or has our queen made her way to bed already? Because I didn't get a chance to *TACKLEHUG!!!!* her for the "Almost Human" crackvid from the Evil Thread of Spiderdom, and I don't want to forget! So if you see AtC, please *TACKLEHUG!!!* her for me!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at December 30, 2013 05:25 PM (CA2NO)

104 100 Crap should have said thumbs up,I've been sick today I blame my lacking of cognizant typing on this oh and the iPad. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 10:24 PM (KuZ6A) No worries, I followed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:25 PM (JpFMR)

105 Oh, hey, spent the day in St Augustine.

Posted by: blaster at December 30, 2013 05:25 PM (aqMrr)

106 I kept you out of war.

Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at December 30, 2013 05:26 PM (aVcgy)

107 >>The Rum Rebellion... Just sayin'. Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 10:21 PM (9gNQd) They're big into Bundy rum, which has a canned version of Rum and Coke. Funny commercials too. http://tinyurl.com/q54htw3

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 05:26 PM (V4CBV)

108 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 30, 2013 10:25 PM (CA2NO) Hey holy shit! Haven't seen you in forever. I'll let her know.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:26 PM (JpFMR)

109 For sure. They are going to have to do SOMETHING with that lopsided male population they've got now. Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 10:18 PM (bb5+k) We have a few ideas…

Posted by: Folsom Street Fair Organizing Committee at December 30, 2013 05:26 PM (AymDN)

110 105 Oh, hey, spent the day in St Augustine. Nice town, couple of nice restaurants on the main strip south of town, can not remember names.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:27 PM (0FSuD)

111 Hey MWR, here is a true crime story to make you fervently wish for SMOD.  Woman finds new use for a ceramic squirrel - assault and battery.
http://tinyurl.com/mf3q8ph

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:27 PM (f1IeF)

112 Is a bae the same thing as a boo?

Posted by: Pete in TX at December 30, 2013 05:28 PM (GyOk4)

113 RESTING BITCH FACE, BITCHY RESTING FACE, BITCH FACE n. A face that, when at rest, looks angry, irritated or aggressive.

See: Michelle Obama

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 30, 2013 05:28 PM (80R0X)

114 >>>Canada has somehow concealed their aircraft carrier from the tally on the chart.

My sources say that the RCN Lord Mayor Rob Ford can launch wood canvas biplanes capable of striking unescorted German battleships.<<<



Made of pykrete.

Posted by: Project Hab-meth-kkuk at December 30, 2013 05:28 PM (2ljO9)

115 Oh, hey, spent the day in St Augustine. *** Did you stay around to see the lights? They will be up for another couple of weeks or so.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (DmNpO)

116 .......that it may seem to someone not paying attention that Newt is attempting to be erudite. He is not. He is trying to get across to your easily-distractable brain that this shit is real. Posted by: Splunge So, I wonder how dear Camille rationalizes Joe Biden? I mean, the guy is frankly pretty dumb. They made fun of Dan Quayle, but Biden is loads dumber and frankly a buffoon to boot. Camille is like a lot of really 'smart' people on the Left. Of course they're smart, they have all kinds of educational pedigrees, and they've written books that were well accepted on the Left, and on and on and on..... The intellectual Left is like a perpetual motion machine, constantly congratulating itself on how smart it is, and passing around all kinds of award gongs that reinforce that notion. Prizes, we've got prizes for these contestants.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (dCwZe)

117 106 I kept you out of war. Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at December 30, 2013 10:26 PM (aVcgy) Yeah, and I got "peace in our time"

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain. at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (0FSuD)

118 The USA is the best country ever since we elected President Obama two times. America sucked under Bush and the world hated us ................

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (iB0Q2)

119 Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at December 30, 2013 10:26 PM (aVcgy)

Had you not been born, we might not be suffering under Captain Sneer right now. Enjoying those flames, are you? Can I help by throwing some nice resinous pine on that fire?

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (bKA83)

120 They're big into Bundy rum, which has a canned version of Rum and Coke. Funny commercials too.

 

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 10:26 PM

 

 

Bundaberg Rum is fucking awesome.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 05:29 PM (9gNQd)

121 And the LCS fleet with be a net manpower drain and simply missile traps because the blasted things don't even have something as simple as Harpoon installed. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 10:23 PM (f1IeF)



What's a missile trap?   Something that has no offensive power and can't hit back, or something that has no self-defense capability?  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 30, 2013 05:31 PM (ioT3q)

122 Just remember Woodrow Wilson's war time press controls probably helped the Spanish Influenza to become the global pandemic it became.   No one wanted to panic people during war time...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:31 PM (f1IeF)

123 Deep State. Oh. You mean Section 31.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 05:32 PM (EWsrI)

124 I actually blame Wilson on TR. The arrogant asshole doesn't run on the Bull Moose party and the Republican beat Wilson

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:32 PM (0FSuD)

125 The argument I'd rather have is whether *the Brits* should have told the Belgians, Frogs, Serbs and Russkies to go their own way when the Kaiser came calling. Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 10:20 PM (Xfl0F) The British joined because Germany violated Belgian neutrality, which the British had guaranteed. Avoid Germany invading through Belgium, and the U.K. stays out of the war. Of course, Germany almost won the war in 1917 when the French practically had a full blown mutiny. A collapse of the Western Front would have crushed France and caused the U.S. and the U.K. to seek peace. The U.K. could've claimed victory from all the German colonies it gobbled up (and possibly French ones after that in the name of "law and order"). The effect on the U.S. would have been… interesting.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 05:32 PM (AymDN)

126 117

Yeah, and I got "peace in our time"


Posted by: Neville Chamberlain. at December 30, 2013 10:29 PM (0FSuD)


I healed the planet and made the ocean levels drop. Beat that, suckas!

Posted by: Jug Hussein Ears at December 30, 2013 05:33 PM (5l5UA)

127 116 Camille is like a lot of really 'smart' people on the Left. Of course they're smart, they have all kinds of educational pedigrees, and they've written books that were well accepted on the Left, and on and on and on.....

Agreed. On the left, credentials grant you the right not to have to think very much. You are certified now, you can just talk from your spleen and whatever you produce will be wise by definition.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:33 PM (bKA83)

128 Outside its 57mm guns, an LCS has zero offensive punch.  They might get a missile on the hulls by 2017.  Same 57mm gun is their primary defense weapon also.  And the mission modules are hitting snags which is one of their big selling points, same hull fitted with special modules can perform many missions.

The LCS is the F-35 which is the TFX Pt. 2.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:34 PM (f1IeF)

129 118>> Now the world just laughs at us and hates the JEF.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 30, 2013 05:34 PM (60Vyp)

130 Keep in mind that the American navy has fired or caused the early retirements of top officers who believe that the military is a fighting force, not a social experimentation lab or jobs program

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 05:34 PM (aTXUx)

131 I actually blame Wilson on TR. The arrogant asshole doesn't run on the Bull Moose party and the Republican beat Wilson Posted by: Nip Sip Yes he was. An arrogant asshole. Teddy Roosevelt. Not Tobacco Road, the "other TR".

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 05:34 PM (dCwZe)

132 I healed the planet and made the ocean levels drop. Beat that, suckas! Posted by: Jug Hussein Ears at December 30, 2013 10:33 PM (5l5UA) You STILL have your mother in law living down the hall, wimp dick.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:34 PM (0FSuD)

133 30.8 deg, overcast, calm, at my QTH

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 05:35 PM (aDwsi)

134 I healed the planet and made the ocean levels drop. Beat that, suckas!
Thanks, Dick!

Posted by: stranded polar explorers at December 30, 2013 05:35 PM (Ua6T/)

135 You STILL have your mother in law living down the hall, wimp dick. Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:34 PM (0FSuD) Reggie Love's mother lives in the White House?

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 05:35 PM (AymDN)

136 And the Greenies are still trapped by Antarctic ice.

IANAL, so I am just pulling this out of my ass, metaphorically, not actually, as IANAL -

These so-called rescue attempts were to rescue the ship, the meat bags on boat are purely secondary concern - per the ship's insurer, is it worth chartering an icebreaker to get the ship out? Once, yes, twice, ye, third no - cutting losses.

Unless the meat-bags life insurance companies are willing to foot the bill to pull the meatbags out- ef em ('cause the cost of rescue is more than the meatbags thought their own lives were worth)

- tenderly yours

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 30, 2013 05:35 PM (80R0X)

137 Reggie Love's mother lives in the White House? Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 10:35 PM (AymDN) Well, played!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:36 PM (0FSuD)

138

"The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order or men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it."

Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, Chap. XI, Part III, "Rent of Land: Conclusion".

Posted by: Heck's Angel at December 30, 2013 05:36 PM (rCS6C)

139 I actually blame Wilson on TR.  Posted by: Nip Sip
--------------------------------------------

I resemble that remark.

TR

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 05:36 PM (4Mv1T)

140 The effect on the U.S. would have been… interesting.

Woody Wilson being spanked in a foreign adventure? Oh my.

Note, Wilson's invasion of Russia on behalf of the "Whites" was also a folly. By that point, whoever took over Russia was going to do it upon a mountain of skulls. Kolchak and Denikin were, if anything, worse than Trotsky and equals to Stalin and Hitler.

If Wilson had fucked up twice that might have discredited liberalism forever.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:37 PM (Xfl0F)

141 Aussies don't drink Fosters.
Well, why would they? It's brewed in Fort Worth.
I'd be surprised if they could even get it down there.

You've got to hand it to them, though.
Any nation with a beer called "Tooth's Sheaf" has pretty good dentition.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 05:37 PM (xq1UY)

142 Ironically, China is just like Japan early last century. Minus Shinto, raping marches, or bayonets, so far.


We'll be fixing that real soon, round-eye.

Posted by: Surplus 40 Million Chinese Males at December 30, 2013 05:38 PM (vgH+s)

143 The 4 Canadian subs should not count as they 20 year old British surplus that were mothballed for 10 years and only recently were they reactivated.

Posted by: Trevor@TJexcite at December 30, 2013 05:38 PM (bkAvJ)

144 Of course, Germany almost won the war in 1917 when the French practically had a full blown mutiny. A collapse of the Western Front would have crushed France and caused the U.S. and the U.K. to seek peace. The U.K. could've claimed victory from all the German colonies it gobbled up (and possibly French ones after that in the name of "law and order"). The effect on the U.S. would have been… interesting. Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 10:32 PM (AymDN) I sometimes wonder if History does not somehow always choose the worst possible path. No Arrogant TR, No Wilson, No Treaty of Versailles, No Weimar Republic, (Possibly no Stalin) No Hitler, No World War II, no Atomic Bomb, possibly no Communist China, and so on.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:38 PM (bb5+k)

145 @140 I think Wilson was out of it then and Col House, the Val Jarett of the Wilson WH, was running the country. What a fucking disaster.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:38 PM (0FSuD)

146 "You are certified now..." And the heavens shall be forever open to you.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth t tinfoil at December 30, 2013 05:38 PM (jTKU5)

147 Posted by: Heck's Angel at December 30, 2013 10:36 PM (rCS6C)

We've got $50 million that says that the charade can continue for a while longer.

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at December 30, 2013 05:39 PM (bKA83)

148 "China keeps pushing and keeps making progress."
Let's see how they deal with Muzzies.

Posted by: Corona at December 30, 2013 05:39 PM (fh2Y7)

149 148 "China keeps pushing and keeps making progress." Let's see how they deal with Muzzies. Won't be a problem for them, see Tibet.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (0FSuD)

150 My ex-wife, back in the eighties, used to call me 'bae'. When she wasn't using more, er, colorful expressions.
 
As to bitchy face, for years I have used the self invented term 'pain face' (mostly to myself). Because I needed a word to describe people that look like they suck on lemons all day long. The Germans probably do have a word for the look.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (cHZB7)

151 No one seems to remember the Polar Bears of the Murmansk Intervention.  The ones who fought with the Whites and Allies against the Reds.  Trading gunfire with them.  To this day there are still American soldiers buried on Russian soil no one knows where.  Killed during that misbegotten expedition fighting a war that had ended for the rest of Europe in Nov 1918.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (f1IeF)

152 "China keeps pushing and keeps making progress." Let's see how they deal with Muzzies. Posted by: Corona at December 30, 2013 10:39 PM (fh2Y7) Oh, I have a few ideas…

Posted by: Zombie Mao Zedong at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (AymDN)

153 130 Keep in mind that the American navy has fired or caused the early retirements of top officers who believe that the military is a fighting force, not a social experimentation lab or jobs program Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 10:34 PM (aTXUx) Which ought to be regarded as a very ominous canary in the coal mine sort of phenomena.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (bb5+k)

154 Beer is all marketing, really. Aussies really don't drink Foster's much, it's not that popular down under. A co-worker friend from Australia was visiting the US some years ago and turned up his nose to Fosters. It's all marketing. Like Stringer said, the Fosters in the US is brewed in Fort Worth.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 05:40 PM (dCwZe)

155 "plan 47-B"

Yay! Maine is dead!

Posted by: Corona at December 30, 2013 05:41 PM (fh2Y7)

156
Stacy McCain toasts Ace.

http://theothermccain.com/2013/12/30/ten-years-of-aoshq-awesomeness/

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2013 05:41 PM (MaP11)

157 It's all marketing. Like Stringer said, the Fosters in the US is brewed in Fort Worth. Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 10:40 PM (dCwZe) No shit? I haven't drunk that rot gut shit in 30 years. It was a deal when they sold the big can for the same as a 12 OZ.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:43 PM (0FSuD)

158 Wilson resegregated the federal government.

Posted by: Actual Progressive History at December 30, 2013 05:43 PM (sOtz/)

159 154 Beer is all marketing, really.

Some beer is all marketing, really. Mostly lagers that may have rice or corn in them. But some beer is just really really good.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:44 PM (bKA83)

160 "Won't be a problem for them, see Tibet."

Tibet isn't Yemen. Well, mentally, yeah, but kick-ass stupidity...oh, I see where you're going with this.

Posted by: Corona at December 30, 2013 05:44 PM (fh2Y7)

161 @156 Nice link. Wilson was a Virginian who thought he was from the manor born. He was a Princeton dickhead.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:45 PM (0FSuD)

162 Good one burnt toast, we hate the greenies here they fcuk up everything they touch.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:45 PM (KuZ6A)

163 " ... No World War II, no Atomic Bomb, ..." ... and a lot more wars a la Europe 1650-1920. The path we took was a bloody one, but, with, or because of, nuclear weapons, we managed to avoid really going toe-to-toe with the Russkies, and are likely to avoid doing so with the Chinese, at least for a while.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 30, 2013 05:45 PM (FlRtG)

164 Wilson resegregated the federal government.

What? You expect equality with republicans mixing with everybody else?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 30, 2013 05:45 PM (80R0X)

165 Green member of Aus parliament doing exercises on deck.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:08 PM (0FSuD)


Not only is she a Green, she is also a carpet-muncher, NTTAWWT. I wonder if she munches Astroturf?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 05:45 PM (60Q+L)

166 "You call that a knife?" "THIS is a knife!" The rest pretty much sucked, but that was a decent short scene.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth t tinfoil at December 30, 2013 05:46 PM (jTKU5)

167 Some beer is all marketing, really. Mostly lagers that may have rice or corn in them. But some beer is just really really good. Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 10:44 PM (bKA83) I don't think anyone puts rice in their beer but Bud. They think it's cool. It's cheap.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:46 PM (0FSuD)

168 Corona is indeed the best selling beer in Mexico. They have many fine ones, however, and my two favorite are not available here - Estrella and Indio ... http://www.mexinsider.com/mexican-beer.html

Posted by: Joe at December 30, 2013 05:46 PM (69fz+)

169 106 Yeah Woody, you alsogave us the Federal Reserve. War would have been preferable to getting killed from within.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 05:46 PM (ojnk6)

170  Beer is all marketing, really.

Aussies really don't drink Foster's much, it's not that popular down under. A co-worker friend from Australia was visiting the US some years ago and turned up his nose to Fosters.

It's all marketing. Like Stringer said, the Fosters in the US is brewed in Fort Worth.

 

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 10:40 PM

 

It's largely VB and XXXX that gets drunk. There's a lot of Toohey's on tap in Sydney, also.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 05:47 PM (9gNQd)

171 Corona == Mexican Schaefer's Lite Just understand when you buy it, you're buying an ad campaign... not a beer. Corona Ad Campaign == The Picasso of 'Advertising Almost as Good as the Dos Equis Most Interesting Man in the World' Campaign

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2013 05:47 PM (eHIJJ)

172 But some beer is just really really good. Posted by: Splunge Of course, but taste is subjective. Drink what you like, what appeals to you. It's just the big breweries are big into marketing their product to appeal to a demographic. I like Shiner Bock now, because on a trip to Texas a few years ago, they served it at a big dinner. There was no advertising that persuaded me that it was good.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 05:47 PM (dCwZe)

173 169 106 Yeah Woody, you also gave us the Federal Reserve. War would have been preferable to getting killed from within. While we are piling on, the first drug laws.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:48 PM (0FSuD)

174 It's all marketing. Like Stringer said, the Fosters in the US is brewed in Fort Worth. Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 10:40 PM (dCwZe) The Guinness (Extra Stout) around here, all appears to be brewed in New Brunswick Canada. First time I took a sip I knew something was definitely wrong. I could instantly tell the difference between Canadian Guinness and Dublin Guinness. Ah, but at least we still have Jameson.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:48 PM (bb5+k)

175 They have many fine ones, however, and my two favorite are not available here - Estrella and Indio

Don't forget pulque. which is Nahua for "phlegm of the gods"

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 05:48 PM (Xfl0F)

176 The rest pretty much sucked, but that was a decent short scene. "It's for washing yer bum!"

Posted by: biday, mate! at December 30, 2013 05:48 PM (R6JT1)

177 Wow if all beer is just marketing, then why aren't I just drinking Lite - oh, right, it tastes like crap. Budweiser is most popular US beer outside of the US, available in most pubs - I gladly turn my nose up at that swill ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (69fz+)

178 "Won't be a problem for them, see Tibet."

Didn't the Vietnamese hand the PLA's asses to them in the late 70s?

Posted by: Armando at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (vgH+s)

179 Favorite Aussie beer joke: “Why do they call it XXXX? Because Queenslanders can’t spell beer.”

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (V4CBV)

180 "China keeps pushing and keeps making progress." "Let's see how they deal with Muzzies." They might be our only hope. They won't screw around once they get started. And they won't put up with as much from Islam as we have.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth t tinfoil at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (jTKU5)

181 153 130 Keep in mind that the American navy has fired or caused the early retirements of top officers who believe that the military is a fighting force, not a social experimentation lab or jobs program Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 10:34 PM (aTXUx) Which ought to be regarded as a very ominous canary in the coal mine sort of phenomena. Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 10:40 PM (bb5+k) My BIL is most likely getting out in two years. Going private.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (JpFMR)

182 The Guinness (Extra Stout) around here, all appears to be brewed in New Brunswick Canada. The one in my frig says brewed in Dublin.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:49 PM (0FSuD)

183 173 True that.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 05:50 PM (ojnk6)

184 China has one ice breaker. Count'm....one.

Cracks me up.

Posted by: Jack (Iceman) Frost at December 30, 2013 05:50 PM (UO/yR)

185 35 Bomber Safe travels!!

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at December 30, 2013 05:50 PM (noB3y)

186 The Corona extra gold is good for moi in the summertime and the lime is the sourness that is just right. Yes I'm a pleb and proud of it. College education notwithstanding.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 05:50 PM (KuZ6A)

187 So the inlaws are watching reruns of Family Feud, which is also one of my fav gameshows. I’m just in awe at the stupidity of some of the answers given. All I can think is “These fucking idiots vote.”

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at December 30, 2013 05:50 PM (JpFMR)

188 “Why do they call it XXXX? Because Queenslanders can’t spell beer.” Posted by: Dr. Varno That right there is funny.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 05:51 PM (dCwZe)

189 Yeah saw the lights. Did not live up to the hype.

Posted by: blaster at December 30, 2013 05:51 PM (aqMrr)

190 Didn't the Vietnamese hand the PLA's asses to them in the late 70s? Posted by: Armando at December 30, 2013 10:49 PM (vgH+s) Sort of, it was a short border war. The Chinese have had no problems slapping down the towel heads in the Western Providences.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:51 PM (0FSuD)

191 Several large brewing companies own all the major breweries now - Foster's owns VB, for example.

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 05:53 PM (69fz+)

192 towel heads in the Western Providences

Come on, Man. It's just Brown University, not a full-scale invasion.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 05:54 PM (xq1UY)

193 RESTING BITCH FACE Was this the term that was censored on the AOSHQ podcast a few weeks back? If so, fucking bullshit edit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at December 30, 2013 05:54 PM (dwArK)

194 Come on, Man. It's just Brown University, not a full-scale invasion.


If the communists invaded Brown, how could we tell?

Posted by: Armando at December 30, 2013 05:55 PM (vgH+s)

195 The best scene from the Crocodile Dundee movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4mNsy_AIkI

Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 05:55 PM (TI3xG)

196 101 @88 I think the Russian problem would have been addressed by the Germans ASAP, before Stalin showed up. Remember for about 10 years after Russian settled out in 1918, the country was still in a civil war. Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:24 PM (0FSuD) Without WW1, there wouldn't have been a Russian problem. The Germans shipped Lenin into Russia during the war in hopes that he would forment even greater turmoil. Job done. The Germans were playing chess while the allies were playing jacks.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (BXLPR)

197 “Why do they call it XXXX? Because Queenslanders can’t spell beer.”

 

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 10:49 PM

 

 

Actually, it's because it was originally used as rat poison. True story.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (9gNQd)

198 I don't always drink beer...

But when I do, I drink a European label that you can't afford and can't pronounce


Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (aTXUx)

199 ... and a lot more wars a la Europe 1650-1920. The path we took was a bloody one, but, with, or because of, nuclear weapons, we managed to avoid really going toe-to-toe with the Russkies, and are likely to avoid doing so with the Chinese, at least for a while. Posted by: Arbalest at December 30, 2013 10:45 PM (FlRtG) Not necessarily would Europe have continued it's warring ways. Innovation was raising the standard of living everywhere, and Monarchies were slowly evolving into Democracies. Europe MIGHT have evolved out of continuous wars, especially after World War I. Hitler was a mad man and likely psychotic from meth addiction. He was an outlier, and if he hadn't come along, Europe might not have had another war anytime soon. Also, Russian and China might not have been a threat had Germany worked to prevent a win by the Russian Communists; Something they very well may have tried to accomplish had they not been defeated in World War I, and saddled with excessive reparation demands.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (bb5+k)

200 Cthulhu, If I roast the tomatoes, what temp should I put the oven on? 350?

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (z4WKX)

201 The Canadian Navy has suffered significant non-combat attrition that makes the figures on the chart less impressive:

RCN Pamela Anderson was refitted a number of times, but rendered top heavy, rolled over and sank.  (RCN Jennifer Tilly had similar design problems and was sold to the USCG, for shallow operations off of Quahog, RI)

RCN Celine Dion was dry docked and then abandoned in Las Vegas.

RCN Shania Twain is confined to operations in narrow channels.

RCN Alanis Morrisette was specially fitted for operating in darkness but has been relegated to ceremonial functions.

RCN Jim Carrey just sucked and was left to drift.






Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (XZNzU)

202 Bae bae caught me slippin

Posted by: Howard Finemanh at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (0It32)

203 I still think that China's recent rumblings in the Pacific are less a concern than their quiet expansion of influence in Central Asia. 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (lr3d7)

204 Camille Paglia is the Busch Lite of Commentators: Shows promise but ultimately disappointing and empty.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2013 05:56 PM (eHIJJ)

205 167 I don't think anyone puts rice in their beer but Bud.
They think it's cool. It's cheap.


What it is, is a legacy of Prohibition. In the immediate aftermath of Prohibition, only 3.2% beer was legal. But if you brew with only Barley Malt, you'll be at 5% or so. So they added other things, and that style, which some people came to like because it went down easy on a hot day, has persisted.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 05:57 PM (bKA83)

206 Nothing wrong with fruit fortifying your beer - one of the best I ever had was in Nova Scotia - a lager with a spoonful of fresh blueberries in it ... The Mexicans don't typically do the lime thingy, that seems to be for the tourists and gringos, but they do like the clamato in their beer - micheladas, then it doesn't really matter what you start with ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 05:57 PM (69fz+)

207

Evening all.  Back on Nights

 

Congrats to Ace for 10 years, from a scrupulously clean Scandi.

 

(I took  a bath....once)

Posted by: PMRich at December 30, 2013 05:58 PM (KDUNf)

208 Those AGW dorks stuck in the ice would make for a funny quicky SyFy horror movie ...

SHARKBERG!!!

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 05:58 PM (aTXUx)

209 Over at PJ Media there is a column about the most under reported stories of 2013.  Christian Adams writes about what Mother Jones headlined as the Massive New Liberal Plan to Remake American Politics. 

This is the little noticed Democracy Initiative which " seeks to alter process in three areas: 1) bloating the voter rolls and attacking election integrity laws, 2) restricting the filibuster, 3) restricting political speech through restricting financial participation."

 It's pretty straight forward and the Dems are focused and moving it along.So, what are the Republicans or the Tea Party prepared to do? 

There never seems to be a plan. 

Posted by: gracepmc at December 30, 2013 05:58 PM (rznx3)

210 I don't always drink beer, and when I don't,

I drink scotch.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 05:58 PM (4Mv1T)

211 WWI completely destroyed the British Empire, killed the upper class and put the country in to hock to the USA. It was over. We should have never gotten into the war and Germany would have settled. No Hitler, no Stalin.

No, it wasn't over at all.  Ludendorf expected to win up until shortly before the end of the war.  The Germans most certainly would not have settled.  And as has already been pointed out, Lenin probably still would have been installed, and from there we ineluctably get Stalin.  (because I like saying ineluctably, that's why)

Wilson was an ass, but getting involved in the war was the right thing to do from an American interest pov. 


No Arrogant TR, No Wilson, No Treaty of Versailles, No Weimar Republic, (Possibly no Stalin) No Hitler, No World War II, no Atomic Bomb, possibly no Communist China, and so on.


When you look at how close we came to utter catastrophe and losing that war, I'm astonished you think it was the worst possible outcome.   Things turned out pretty damn well by world historical standards.  The fact that you're posting your opinion on the intertubes confirms that.

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 05:58 PM (6TB1Z)

212 @196 Excellent point, I had forgotten about Lenin's stay in Germany. The French should just have sucked it up and learned German. The world would be a better place.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 05:59 PM (0FSuD)

213 If the Canadian Navy was a beer, it'd be Molsen Light Lite. That's not a navy; that's an ice-fishing expedition.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2013 05:59 PM (eHIJJ)

214 Yeah Woody, you alsogave us the Federal Reserve. War would have been preferable to getting killed from within. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 10:46 PM (ojnk6) Much can be argued in support of the idea that this is the point at which the US embarked on a course of economic suicide.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (bb5+k)

215 210 I don't always drink beer, and when I don't,
I drink scotch.


So did I...and then I got to like rye in all its forms, and somehow, along the way, I lost most of my taste for scotch.

I am not happy about this, but it happened.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (bKA83)

216 201 The Canadian Navy has suffered significant non-combat attrition that makes the figures on the chart less impressive:

RCN Pamela Anderson was refitted a number of times, but rendered top heavy, rolled over and sank. (RCN Jennifer Tilly had similar design problems and was sold to the USCG, for shallow operations off of Quahog, RI)

RCN Celine Dion was dry docked and then abandoned in Las Vegas.

RCN Shania Twain is confined to operations in narrow channels.

RCN Alanis Morrisette was specially fitted for operating in darkness but has been relegated to ceremonial functions.

RCN Jim Carrey just sucked and was left to drift.

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 30, 2013 10:56 PM


RCN William Shatner - still calling on every port with a 5 star whorehouse

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (aTXUx)

217 I had often told my husband about the flu pandemic. I don't think he actually grasped it until we were out on the atv and ran upon an old cemetery many there were victims and the ages were just heart breaking one was a young man 18 years old and already a father. Just chilling to read the headstones.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (KuZ6A)

218 Not necessarily would Europe have continued it's warring ways. Innovation was raising the standard of living everywhere, and Monarchies were slowly evolving into Democracies.

You are - albeit implicitly - assuming that democracy is a step forward from monarchy, rather than an entropic decay from monarchy . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (Xfl0F)

219 Europe MIGHT have evolved out of continuous wars, especially after World War I.

And monkeys MIGHT fly out of my butt.  I'm not counting on it, though.

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 06:00 PM (6TB1Z)

220 The 4 Canadian subs should not count as they 20 year old British surplus that were mothballed for 10 years and only recently were they reactivated.

Posted by: Trevor@TJexcite at December 30, 2013 10:38 PM (bkAvJ)


And last I heard, they are still all in for refit, owing to the fact that one of them experienced an electrical fire on board during the voyage over from the UK, causing the death of one seaman.



And our sole post-WWII aircraft carrier, HMCS Bonaventure, was scrapped in 1971. We had the third-largest Navy in the world at the close of WWII, although mostly destroyers and corvettes for anti-sub warfare.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 06:01 PM (60Q+L)

221 If the communists invaded Brown, how could we tell?

Posted by: Armando at December 30, 2013 10:55 PM (vgH+s)



They'd force everyone to take a shower, thus driving down the smell?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2013 06:02 PM (lr3d7)

222 216 RCN William Shatner - still calling on every port with a 5 star whorehouse

RCN Dan Ackroyd -- seemingly ready for the refitting yards, and yet you hope that it may come through in a great battle someday.

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2013 06:02 PM (bKA83)

223 My personal michelada recipe (good in the summertime): • Fill 1 pint glass halfway with ice. • Add Bloody Mary mix or tomato juice to halfway. • Add 2 lemon wedges. • Add 1 freshly chopped chili pepper (Fresh jalapeño or serrano). • Top off with a lager beer and stir. • Enjoy.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2013 06:02 PM (V4CBV)

224 While we are piling on, the first drug laws. Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:48 PM (0FSuD) Gotta disagree there. The First drug laws were necessary because thousands were dying from opium and cocaine addiction. The first drug laws prevented us from following the path that China took to Drug destruction of their nation and the subsequent dictatorship.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:02 PM (bb5+k)

225 198 - Hoegaarden? Mmm, scrumptious ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 06:03 PM (69fz+)

226 I'm watching the war-geopolitics conversation out of the corner of my eye, and it gave me an amusing thought. No wonder we can't predict the future, we can't even agree on what has already happened.

Posted by: Meremortal, smooth t tinfoil at December 30, 2013 06:04 PM (jTKU5)

227 Things turned out pretty damn well by world historical standards. The fact that you're posting your opinion on the intertubes confirms that.

No, they really didn't.

We'd probably still be posting our opinions on the intertubes if Kaiser Bill had won. We might have to be doing it in German if we wanted to be understood east of Strassbourg "im Elsass", but that's really not that big a deal.

And since Hitler would have been painting pictures in Munich in this contrafactual, some of us could even be doing that in Yiddish.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 06:04 PM (Xfl0F)

228 176 The rest pretty much sucked, but that was a decent short scene. "It's for washing yer bum!" Posted by: biday, mate! at December 30, 2013 10:48 PM (R6JT1) Sue Charlton: That croc was going to eat me alive. Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: Well, I wouldn't hold that against him. Same thought crossed my mind once or twice.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:04 PM (bb5+k)

229 Bomber, When is your last tour? I am pretty sure it’s up tis year?

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 06:05 PM (z4WKX)

230 Germany didn't exactly win their gamble with Lenin. For one thing, Euro monarchies were a long effin way from morphing into democracy; several of them were seriously confronted by "anarchist" communist insurgencies fevore the Austro-Serbian unpleasantness ever blossomed. The solidarity created by a triumphant Bolshevism, and its fast-growing long arms in spying and international insurgency, damned near brought down the world us included in the twenties and thirties. Germany made this possible, and for Johann Lunchbox, fascism was the necessary counterbalance.

The worst aspect was the involvement with anti-semitism. Although Jews had no bed of roses in the new soviet world, in central Europe Marxism was seen as a Jewish doctrine. Many Germans who happily shipped off their Jewish neighbors just thought of them as so many leftists, and on the grand scale, Jews as a group did not do a lot to oppose the misapprehension. Then again, things got late early.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 06:05 PM (xq1UY)

231 This song is for Ace

Happy 10th Anniversary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjxz90hLYtw

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 06:06 PM (aTXUx)

232 @209 Tanning booth, smokes, and booze. You morons, of all people, should respect our political strategitating.

Posted by: John Boehner at December 30, 2013 06:06 PM (sOtz/)

233 200
Cthulhu,

If I roast the tomatoes, what temp should I put the oven on? 350?

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 10:56 PM (z4WKX)



That's one of the many wonderful things about the recipe -- it's extremely forgiving. You can make it to accompany anything that's in the oven at any reasonable temperature (300-425). Just check it ever so often after about 10 minutes -- when the chunks start having browning on their tips, it's done.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 06:07 PM (T1005)

234 Those AGW dorks stuck in the ice would make for a funny quicky SyFy horror movie ...
As God is my witness...

Posted by: frozen Arthur Carlson at December 30, 2013 06:07 PM (Ua6T/)

235 214 Yep, D, I would argue that this is the point that our idea of a Republic went off the rails.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 06:07 PM (ojnk6)

236 It's all marketing. Like Stringer said, the Fosters in the US is brewed in Fort Worth. Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 10:40 PM and in Kitchner, Ontario. Been there, done the plant tour, ect.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 06:07 PM (JMmQ9)

237 @211 I totally disagree, but I am to drunk to write a long reply. I don't think the Germans would have had a choice, neither would England. Both were tapped out and without Wilson coming in, the Brits and French were fucking toast. The stalemate was to costly. The Brits played Wilson like a fucking idiot, Zimmerman, U boats, blah blah blah. I think we can agree, the US got nothing from the war except all of the UK's debt. The entire league of nation BS was a disaster. The Treaty was a disaster that Wilson let happen. Wilson was worst, probably than Carter. It's a great debate, but I see no upside for the USA or the world in our involvement.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:09 PM (0FSuD)

238 No, they really didn't.

Yes, they really did.  Look, we can argue hypotheticals all night, but that fact is that the human race had reached the point where we could build things like nukes, and yet madmen like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Obama didn't get the chance to destroy the world because we and others stopped them in time.  Again, the fact that we are here arguing about it openly is historically anomalous. 

I wonder if we'll be so fortunate when some future loon decides it would be a good idea to unleash engineered viruses.

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 06:09 PM (6TB1Z)

239 AoP don't feel too bad about HMCS Bonadventure.  Australia had three carriers, now none also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:09 PM (f1IeF)

240 The one in my frig says brewed in Dublin. Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 10:49 PM (0FSuD) Last year we had those as well. For some reason I can't find them anymore. I always check, and if they are the Canadian Guinness I don't buy them. Now I did buy regular Guinness which was made in Dublin, but all the Extra Stout bottles I looked at said New Brunswick.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:09 PM (bb5+k)

241 In Peruvia beer irrigates the fields and vodka washes the inhabitants. Water is exported.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2013 06:09 PM (eHIJJ)

242 In Peruvia beer irrigates the fields and vodka washes the inhabitants. Water is exported.

Is pissing across the border really considered "export"?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2013 06:10 PM (lr3d7)

243 let's take a bunch of mostly Celtic stock, that don't fit into the present society, and get them to a new unexplored ( or the most part) continent and see how they do. North America and Australia. Not too shabby.

Posted by: seamrog at December 30, 2013 06:11 PM (LZRQs)

244 Now I did buy regular Guinness which was made in Dublin, but all the Extra Stout bottles I looked at said New Brunswick. Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 11:09 PM (bb5+k) Never seen them in NC. Bet it is fresher. Beer gets stale and I always wonder about buying a Guinness in an urban Wal Mart. Been there a year?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:12 PM (0FSuD)

245 224 Robert Woodruff disagrees with you.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 06:13 PM (ojnk6)

246 @230 "Germany didn't exactly win..." That is gold medal olympic understatement. But once they cleared the rubble things got better fast on the west side.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 06:13 PM (sOtz/)

247 And don't forget all the Pacific real estate Japan picked up for being on the winning side in WWI, all those former German possessions helped in Japan's future game of Global Go called WWII.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:13 PM (f1IeF)

248 Guinness used to be shipped on sailing ships around the horn to India, and then iced down if they could find any ice. And it built the bloody empire. It's up to it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 06:14 PM (xq1UY)

249 I totally disagree, but I am to drunk to write a long reply... Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 11:09 PM This. And then you go on and write a long reply...

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 06:14 PM (JMmQ9)

250 When you look at how close we came to utter catastrophe and losing that war, I'm astonished you think it was the worst possible outcome. Things turned out pretty damn well by world historical standards. The fact that you're posting your opinion on the intertubes confirms that. Posted by: pep History has a lot of strange twists and turns, but the history of WWI is full of military incompetence, despite that fact that there were a lot of smart people on both sides. Technology had largely overtaken a lot of accepted tactics and strategies, and people made huge mistakes. Take Churchill, as First Sea Lord, and the monumental screw up of the Gallipoli/Dardenelles campaign. The ships, the men, the losses that were all for nothing. The Somme. Enough said. And the Eastern front and the incompetence of the Russian Army. No wonder they deserted and revolted and followed the Reds. The rise of "democracy" in Europe might also be seen as a precipitating cause of the World War. With the rise of popular governments, people started to demand more ethnic purity in their now "democratic" nations. Serbia for the Serbs, and that's what got the Archduke shot in Sarajevo.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 06:16 PM (dCwZe)

251 This.

And then you go on and write a long reply... Posted by: AltonJackson

-----------------------------------

Haven't you noticed at the HQ?

The words just seem to type themselves??


Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 06:16 PM (4Mv1T)

252 AoP don't feel too bad about HMCS Bonadventure. Australia had three carriers, now none also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 11:09 PM (f1IeF)


Oh, I understand OK. Carriers are mainly a means of projecting power at a distance, and that's not really Canada's bag, anyway. But if I were in charge of naval procurement, I would order a dozen or so nuclear-powered hunter-killer subs, and make sure they were suitable for long patrols under the Arctic ice. And some nuclear-powered icebreakers, even if we had to buy them from Russia. Look at a map to see why.



And a couple of boomers, with missiles to go with, because nothing projects power like a mushroom cloud on some middle-eastern pest-hole.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 06:17 PM (60Q+L)

253 Well the last day of a fucking worthless year comes upon us. Let 2014 be the year we drive the bastards out of the Senate and STOP the bleeding. Night all.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:17 PM (0FSuD)

254 "no Atomic Bomb"

The invention of the atomic bomb was probably the one time history took a better turn, though not obviously for those who died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  To any imbecile who wants to say:  "Visualize a world without nuclear weapons" to me, I'd answer:  "Here, let me strap you down and force you to watch the deaths of over 50 million people in World War II, all but those in the last week or so exclusively caused by conventional weapons."

At the rate this species was going by 1945, the invention of the A-bomb probably has saved a billion lives, including most of our grandfathers and great uncles and therefore most of us.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 30, 2013 06:17 PM (TM1p8)

255 I first looked at that Naval Scorecard, and saw the water as land and the land as water and thought wow what a land war we are about to have.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 30, 2013 06:17 PM (WdbF7)

256 251 This.



And then you go on and write a long reply...

Posted by: AltonJackson

-----------------------------------

Haven't you noticed at the HQ?

The words just seem to type themselves??


Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 11:16 PM (4Mv1T)



I'm definitely in as notoxicated as thinkle peep.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 06:18 PM (T1005)

257 Happy New Year's Eve, Eve

Did you all see this Forbes article today? It's really, really good:

The Coming Revelation Of The 'Global Warming' Fraud Resembles The Obamacare Lie


http://tinyurl.com/qe78z83


It's all about the wealth-redistribution truth behind it and how even the IPCC had to admit that there was no warming for the last 15 yrs even tho CO2 rose 7%.


Now that GW/CC has been so thoroughly debunked, I want my lightbulbs back!


Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 06:19 PM (KL49F)

258 When you look at how close we came to utter catastrophe and losing that war, I'm astonished you think it was the worst possible outcome. Things turned out pretty damn well by world historical standards. The fact that you're posting your opinion on the intertubes confirms that. Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 10:58 PM (6TB1Z) The fact that I am posting my opinion does not prove your theory correct in terms of best possible scenario. I may very well have been posting my opinions in various alternative scenarios as well. Realistically though, without the wars, there wouldn't have been such a rapid pace of technological development as has spurred the communications industry, so I might very well NOT be posting my opinions because the technology might not have been invented at this point had we a less warlike 20th century. I disagree that it was in the US' best interest to intervene in World War I. We should have stayed out of it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:19 PM (bb5+k)

259 I was in Australia in 86, I saw people order Foster's (Fusters) When I got back to Canada they had just started selling it there in regular size cans, not the large you see here. It was just Labatts blue in a fosters can. I preferred Toohey's there too.

Posted by: Bil at December 30, 2013 06:19 PM (CNua6)

260 This. And then you go on and write a long reply... Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 11:14 PM (JMmQ9) That's not a long reply. We should have a WWI thread one Sunday. You are right, drunk hands can not stop typing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:19 PM (0FSuD)

261 Well "photo call" was the word invented in my birth year.  Here I was going to claim that my year made Anthony Weiner possible, but then I looked up photo call and it's nothing like what I was hoping.

Sorry.

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (XZNzU)

262 Guinness used to be shipped on sailing ships around the horn to India, and then iced down if they could find any ice. And it built the bloody empire. It's up to it.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 11:14 PM (xq1UY)


Don't forget IPA! India Pale Ale, made extra hoppy, because hops help preserve the brew.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (60Q+L)

263 I disagree that it was in the US' best interest to intervene in World War I. We should have stayed out of it.

Said the RINO.

Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (6TB1Z)

264 AoP, nah Boomers that fire ICBMs* are needed.

ICBM - Inter Continental Beer Munitions.

Bop a Mullah in under 30 minutes with a beer.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (f1IeF)

265 wow what a land war we are about to have
Big mistake!!

Posted by: the Great Vezzinni at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (Ua6T/)

266 @247 But you know, Japan didn't do completely nothing in WWI. The Germans had a nasty Pacific cruiser fleet at Tsingtao (which is why the Chinese can brew) and the Japanese kept it bottled up well enough to keep the war out of one quarter of the world, anyway. By the standards then in effect, which strike us now as very odd, they had a right to expect something.

Side note, there were two major plagues in China in the first quarter of the century, either of which had the capacity to cut the population in half. Despite our conviction that only American missionaries worked there, there were Germans both protestant and catholic, and they had German chemistry backing them up. I think it's fair to say that German civilian involvement controlled those. A little piece of German do-goodery that gets washed away by all the other German things that were going on.  

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 06:20 PM (xq1UY)

267 The atomic bomb did do anything a horde of cavalry could not do in a couple weeks centuries before. Excluding radiation and a mushroom cloud, natch.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 06:21 PM (sOtz/)

268 Haven't you noticed at the HQ? The words just seem to type themselves?? Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 11:16 PM hey, I'm the first person every morning to go look if I got seriously stupid on the ONT

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 06:22 PM (JMmQ9)

269 Now that GW/CC has been so thoroughly debunked, I want my lightbulbs back!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 11:19 PM (KL49F)


Good effing luck, the old boys' club has spoken.

Posted by: Rep Fred Upton (Idiot-MI) at December 30, 2013 06:22 PM (o3MSL)

270 You are - albeit implicitly - assuming that democracy is a step forward from monarchy, rather than an entropic decay from monarchy . . . Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 11:00 PM (Xfl0F) I'm merely noting what Reagan said about Democracies not warring with each other. No, I regard an actual Democracy as WORSE than a monarchy. Nowadays though, it has become common place to use the term "Democracy" when referring to any system where the public votes. I personally favor the representative Republic form of government, which is what we were created as, but now we have slowly devolved into a democracy, or perhaps more accurately, an Idiocracy.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 06:22 PM (bb5+k)

271 Said the RINO. Posted by: pep at December 30, 2013 11:20 PM (6TB1Z) Actually, the establishment Republicans, at the time, were for the war, money was involved. They played Wilson. They wanted to finance the UK debt.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:23 PM (0FSuD)

272 I am so laughing about those Climate Scientists stuck in the Ice and having to be rescued with a HUGE carbon footprint involved. Can anyone calculate the amount of CO2 generated to rescue these feckless idiots? I think it would make a great paper. I can imagine God looking down and saying something like this. "Verily, Verily I say unto you , Do you think you puny little creations can warm or cool 1 of the orbs I created? How do you like being stuck in the ice? If you liked that wait until the next Ice Age..coming soon to a neighborhood near you!" God does have a sense of humor after all!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 30, 2013 06:23 PM (AsNwg)

273 hey, I'm the first person every morning to go look if I got seriously stupid on the ONT Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 11:22 PM (JMmQ9) You are braver than me, I don't want to look. OK now Nite again.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 30, 2013 06:24 PM (0FSuD)

274 It was just Labatts blue in a fosters can. I preferred Toohey's there too.

Posted by: Bil at December 30, 2013 11:19 PM (CNua6)


Aaargh! Labatt's Blue: proof that Pakis piss in bottles. (or so I am told)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 06:24 PM (60Q+L)

275 "Not necessarily would Europe have continued it's warring ways. Innovation was raising the standard of living everywhere, and Monarchies were slowly evolving into Democracies." These points hinge on whether or not WW1 happens. As it appears that WW1 was inevitable, one then has to ask the questions 1) Could the outcome have been different if any one of the previously posted options occurred (or did not occur)?, and 2) would the outcome likely have been better? Suppose a French collapse and a replay of the Franco-Prussian War. Does the Kaiser leave again, or stay? This looks like France is swapped for Germany, in being the bad guy, likely along with England, and Lenin still takes Russia. We still experience the nightmare of Stalin. I don't see this as an improvement. Anti-Semitism (but not Himmler's Joo-Hatred) was prevalent in Europe at that time. Hitlers are dime-a-dozen, and available everywhere, and may safely ignored ... until one achieves sufficient power. Would the French equivalent of a crushed-bled-white-and-occupied Weimar Republic be as likely to follow Germany's path? I think so.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 30, 2013 06:24 PM (FlRtG)

276 Q. What is the difference between a Socialist and God?

A. God has a sense of humour.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:24 PM (f1IeF)

277 Posted by: Rep Fred Upton (Idiot-MI) at December 30, 2013 11:22 PM (o3MSL)

I'll never forgive W for being a dupe to this  hoax!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 06:24 PM (KL49F)

278 Intervening in WWI was almost inevitable for the US. We were heavily supplying Great Britain. And if TR had been elected in 1912, we would have been in sooner. Roosevelt was very familiar with the Germans, but was appalled at what they did in Belgium and elsewhere. He was constantly agitating for the US getting into the War. I don't think Wilson was "played" by the Zimmerman telegrams, but was complicit in the whole affair. By 1917, he saw the political advantages to his agenda in being a War President.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 06:26 PM (dCwZe)

279 The atomic bomb did do anything a horde of cavalry could not do in a couple weeks centuries before. Excluding radiation and a mushroom cloud, natch.


True dat, pilgrim.

Posted by: John Wayne IS Genghis Khan IN The Conqueror at December 30, 2013 06:27 PM (vgH+s)

280 Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 30, 2013 11:23 PM (AsNwg)

The Schadenfreude has been strong with that Antarctica story! In fact, 2013, as "bad" as it was, is filled to the gills with Schadenfreude for conservatives! BUT, did you read the statement these "scientists" put out today? They claim the ice they're stuck in is BECAUSE of, you guessed it... Global Warming:

http://tinyurl.com/mxdvc6x


Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 06:28 PM (KL49F)

281 Well the ability to deliver a physics package on a miscreant anywhere in the world within the hour is pretty awesome too.

But, the will, damnit, what happened to our want to

Posted by: Zombie Curtis Le May at December 30, 2013 06:28 PM (4JkHl)

282 I stocked up on 60 & 40 watt bulbs this weekend. I had some CFLs put in my house last year by MA Saves & one didn’t last five months. Yes, I jus threw it in the trash! W should have known it was a hoax.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 06:29 PM (z4WKX)

283 Don't forget IPA! India Pale Ale, made extra hoppy, because hops help preserve the brew.###

IIRC Brandy was invented as a shipping cost solution for wine.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 06:30 PM (TI3xG)

284 and now we have a fucking icebreaker gap!

Posted by: Zombie Curtis Le May at December 30, 2013 06:30 PM (4JkHl)

285 They claim the ice they're stuck in is BECAUSE of, you guessed it... Global Warming:

http://tinyurl.com/mxdvc6x

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 11:28 PM (KL49F)


The science is settled, after all this was a scientific expedition conducted in SUMMER in the Southern hemisphere.

Posted by: Rep Fred Upton (Idiot-MI) at December 30, 2013 06:31 PM (o3MSL)

286 The atomic bomb did do anything a horde of cavalry could not do in a couple weeks centuries before. Excluding radiation and a mushroom cloud, natch.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 11:21 PM (sOtz/)



And that's the important difference.  An atomic bomb could lay waste to a city or an army in seconds, where once it required months or years of preparation, tens or hundreds of thousands of men, supplies, ships, etc.  It changed the calculus in war planners' minds.  Absent the bombs, how many nations would be willing to gamble that they were too far away and just tough enough to win a fight against the US or some other power that got involved in their affairs?


Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2013 06:31 PM (lr3d7)

287 Will is a very important factor in foreign policy.  No one went around needlessly annoying Bismarck.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:32 PM (f1IeF)

288 Gamer morons, please read this -
http://angryjoeshow.com/2013/12/youtube-copyright-disaster-angry-rant/

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 06:33 PM (Xfl0F)

289 I was in Australia in 86, I saw people order Foster's (Fusters) When I got back to Canada they had just started selling it there in regular size cans, not the large you see here. It was just Labatts blue in a fosters can. I preferred Toohey's there too.

 

Posted by: Bil at December 30, 2013 11:19 PM

 

It was pretty popular in the 60's and especially the 70's. Fosters was actually a decent drop back then and it seemed to benefit from being more commonly in cans, rather than stubbies, like most other brands at the time. It kind of dropped off during the 80's compared to the 70's, but it was not uncommon. Still on tap in a lot of places then. I think something happened in the brewing process, too. Used to be made with a lot of sugar or something. Dunno. But for awhile in the 70's qand early 80's it was the choice for drink quick- get drunk young reprobate crowd.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 06:34 PM (9gNQd)

290 IIRC Brandy was invented as a shipping cost solution for wine. Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 11:30 PM Brandy, you're a fine girl; what a good wife you would be. But my life, my love, and my lady is the sea...

Posted by: Looking Glass at December 30, 2013 06:34 PM (JMmQ9)

291 220 The 4 Canadian subs should not count as they 20 year old British surplus that were mothballed for 10 years and only recently were they reactivated. Posted by: Trevor@TJexcite at December 30, 2013 10:38 PM (bkAvJ) And last I heard, they are still all in for refit, owing to the fact that one of them experienced an electrical fire on board during the voyage over from the UK, causing the death of one seaman. And our sole post-WWII aircraft carrier, HMCS Bonaventure, was scrapped in 1971. We had the third-largest Navy in the world at the close of WWII, although mostly destroyers and corvettes for anti-sub warfare. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 11:01 PM (60Q+L) Have you seen the British Royal Navy lately? 19 fighting surface ships, 11 subs, sorta 1 carrier. The Royal Navy, legendary for hundreds of years, now has less of a force projection than South Korea. At the rate the British are deactivating ships, they will become a force as powerful as the Swiss Navy.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 06:35 PM (BXLPR)

292 It seems that Global warming is a very inclusive worldview If it's hot it's due to global warming. If there's more ice it's due to global warming If there are more typhoons it's due to global warming. If there are less typhoons it's due to global warming. And on and on......

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2013 06:35 PM (BC6cY)

293 OK, everybody got the John Wayne joke, right? MPPP probably has a whole chapter's worth of stories about that movie. Did anyone survive at all?

I think Imperial Stout was also an export solution, as is, of course, every beer originally called "Export" (barring some new ones that are just marketed that way). Hops and alcohol are damned good preservatives. So is salt. We come by our vices honestly.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 06:36 PM (xq1UY)

294 Will is a very important factor in foreign policy. No one went around needlessly annoying Bismarck. Posted by: Anna Puma Bismarck would have been appalled at the out break of the World War. It was counter to everything he wanted for Germany. He was not looking for such a huge open conflict to project Germany into being a world power, but he did want German to be a World Power. And the Kaiser ran him out of the government because the Kaiser was an egotistical idiot.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 06:36 PM (dCwZe)

295 Will and a touch of crazy will get places in diplomacy

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 06:36 PM (4JkHl)

296 Hey horde, I have to go to bed soon, but I thought I'd pop in and comment on the science gone amuck thing in the post. One of the projects I don't hate time for, as it got shafted for my current animal based dissertation projected involved public trust in science. I have this odd theory that we are no longer doing science as it its traditionally conceived, but rather we're just ding "bias confirmation" I ahve several thoughts wise, ranging from the "weaponization" of science for political purposes, grant funding, human nature, etc. Maybe some day i'll get a chance to put all on this paper.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at December 30, 2013 06:37 PM (GaqMa)

297 Have you seen the British Royal Navy lately? 19 fighting surface ships, 11 subs, sorta 1 carrier. The Royal Navy, legendary for hundreds of years, now has less of a force projection than South Korea.

and 7 warshots, shared on a rotation determined by a hand of gin at the Admiralty

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 06:38 PM (4JkHl)

298 Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 11:29 PM (z4WKX)

There was an article last week about the ban and the Home Depot "expert" actually said that the "replacement" bulbs last FORTY YEARS! LOL! We've known for years now that those damn things do NOT last nearly as long as was claimed, plus you need a Hazmat team to come in case you break one.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 30, 2013 06:39 PM (KL49F)

299 Pretty soon HMS Belfast will be considered a ship of the line.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:39 PM (f1IeF)

300 I was in Portsmouth a few years back. It was depressing. Also:http://tinyurl.com/qetxuxh

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 06:39 PM (aDwsi)

301 Antarctic sea ice ranges from a winter high of around 18 million square kilometers to a low of 2-3 million. Right now it's around 7 million, far fro the seasonal low. Eventually the ice around that ship will probably melt (but maybe not this year).
 
I think they should just claim that the ship is stuck in 'white mud', a result of all teh global warmening.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2013 06:40 PM (cHZB7)

302 Will is a very important factor in foreign policy. No one went around needlessly annoying Bismarck. Posted by: Anna Puma Bismarck would have been appalled at the out break of the World War. It was counter to everything he wanted for Germany. He was not looking for such a huge open conflict to project Germany into being a world power, but he did want German to be a World Power. And the Kaiser ran him out of the government because the Kaiser was an egotistical idiot. Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 11:36 PM (dCwZe) Just imagine of Kaiser Wilhelm's father Friedrich III hadn't been such a heavy smoker. He was very pro-British (Victoria was his aunt), and far more diplomatic than his son. If he had lived WWI would have just been a third Balkan war, if that.

Posted by: The Kaiser's Hat at December 30, 2013 06:41 PM (AymDN)

303 @285, Rep Fred Upton, Yep it's summer down there. But somehow the 'Warmists" are trying to spin it that Global Warming, err Climate Change..made this 1 spot on all of the earth, cooler with more Ice. What about the missing heat, that was hiding in the Ocean? We can cross Antarctica off the list of heat hidey places, I guess the heat was not hiding there.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 30, 2013 06:42 PM (AsNwg)

304 Where is the John Wayne joke? I’m supposed to be working, instead I’m reading here on Mac instead of working on old Dell Laptop. It should be dead by now. A month or so ago it just turned itself on and off. I was going to take a hammer to it. I left it alone and then was trying to remove dropbox & other things from it and Windows came along and fixed it. I have Windows 8 POS that doesn’t work with program I use to go to work computer. It upgraded to IE11 & I do not know how to downgrade it to IE10 on Windows 8.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 06:42 PM (z4WKX)

305 296 Hey horde,
I have to go to bed soon, but I thought I'd pop in and comment on the science gone amuck thing in the post.

One of the projects I don't hate time for, as it got shafted for my current animal based dissertation projected involved public trust in science.

I have this odd theory that we are no longer doing science as it its traditionally conceived, but rather we're just ding "bias confirmation"

I ahve several thoughts wise, ranging from the "weaponization" of science for political purposes, grant funding, human nature, etc.

Maybe some day i'll get a chance to put all on this paper.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at December 30, 2013 11:37 PM (GaqMa)



That would also explain the rampant level of fraudulent published papers (and theses). But I think it's something much deeper and more personal than bias confirmation -- I think it's the triumph of credentialism over achievement.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 06:43 PM (T1005)

306 hey, I'm the first person every morning to go look if I got seriously stupid on the ONT Posted by: AltonJackson
-------------------------------------------

I entertain myself all over again some mornings just trying to figure out what I said the night before.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 06:43 PM (4Mv1T)

307 I liked them both, though I thought the Russian one was better.
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 30, 2013 10:14 PM (bb5+k)

The novel Solaris by Stanislaw Lem  is much better than the Soviet/Tarkovsky film, which in turn is much better than the Hollywood/Soderbegh movie that was based on the earlier film rather than directly on the novel.

Posted by: DKCZ at December 30, 2013 06:43 PM (aE5XN)

308 307th! Now to go read some content. Good evening, morons & 'ettes.

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 30, 2013 06:44 PM (hW6y3)

309 Mike its even worse.  Looks like Portsmouth is slated to be shuttered.

http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/review-the-royal-navy-2013-2015

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:45 PM (f1IeF)

310 Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:43 PM (T1005) Part of the reason I abandoned the project as a dissertation was i'd need t trace it's genesis and that would take to long. I suspect it's a combination of all those things, but knowing when it started would help tease it out.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at December 30, 2013 06:46 PM (GaqMa)

311 Anna - Ergo the link

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 06:46 PM (aDwsi)

312 Reasons why we are doomed:

My sister got a letter today from Blue Cross that started with advice on what to do if she cannot read the letter.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 30, 2013 06:47 PM (bPxS6)

313 That would also explain the rampant level of fraudulent published papers (and theses). But I think it's something much deeper and more personal than bias confirmation -- I think it's the triumph of credentialism over achievement. Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:43 PM (T1005) The academic world isn't just infiltrated by the left, it's owned lock, stock and barrel. You see the same kind of behavior in the MFM and bureaucracies and it's bled into society at large - the inability to discuss coherently and calmly because it is impossible to challenge the premise - and that's critically devastating in science. Well, it's devastating everywhere, but it's a "core competency failure" in science. The more I look into it the more I see scientists have as much in common with used car salesmen as not. And that's very, very sad.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2013 06:49 PM (qyfb5)

314 Carol, John Wayne did a movie about Genghis Khan called "Conqueror." He was well connected, and managed to get permission to film in a lovely and appropriate stretch of desert that belonged to the Government. It had been used for nuclear tests. John Wayne, his son, several other famous actors, and around a hundred other people developed cancer from the radiation exposure on set.

So, mounted horde vs. atomic bomb, no contest really.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 06:49 PM (xq1UY)

315 Ho-Lee Siht! I just finished off an entire bag of O-Ke-Doke White Cheddar Popcorn. And I don't even like popcorn... There's eleventy seven calories that I did not need.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 06:50 PM (JMmQ9)

316 Ergo the link?  Are you trying to type while eating your Eggo?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 06:50 PM (f1IeF)

317 My sister got a letter today from Blue Cross that started with advice on what to do if she cannot read the letter.
I've seen billboard print ads for literacy hotlines here!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 30, 2013 06:50 PM (8AHeV)

318 Well, Bismarck was also getting on in years; it was time to "drop the pilot".

Granted, Germany needed a better Kapitän than it got . . . but honestly, compared to Wilson, Asquith, Lloyd George, Haig, Clemenceau, and Tsar Nicky the Deuce: Kaiser Bill might not even have been the dumbest upper class twit in the West at the time

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 06:51 PM (Xfl0F)

319 For my job, I've had to travel all over most of Europe, the Americas and some parts of Asia, and I've had Guinness in most of those places. None of it tastes as good as the Guinness in Ireland. Guinness in Ireland makes you regular and you can almost eat it with a spoon.

Posted by: Burp at December 30, 2013 06:51 PM (8HiDF)

320 My sister got a letter today from Blue Cross that started with advice on what to do if she cannot read the letter. Posted by: Epobirs --------------------- As I have mentioned, a darkly amusing moment for me was when I ran across the Medtronic Warranty for my mother's pacemaker: "Warranted for the life of the owner". Not as stupid as the BCBS thingie, but still...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 06:51 PM (aDwsi)

321 Right now the main and possibly only advantage America has in conflict is our technology

However, our universities teach students from all over the world, and they don't send their best and brightest to be Gender Studies or Aztec History majors ..

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2013 06:52 PM (aTXUx)

322 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 11:49 PM (xq1UY) Thank you, Stringer Davis.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 06:53 PM (z4WKX)

323 My sister got a letter today from Blue Cross that started with advice on what to do if she cannot read the letter.

Posted by: Epobirs
-------------------------

It might be a new world order. My first ancestor on Dad's side got here in 1720  and had an 1800 acre King's Grant. He signed with an X. I'll not mention how many slaves were in his will, since that's nothing to be proud of, but illiteracy has not always been an impediment to wealth.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 06:53 PM (4Mv1T)

324 "And the Kaiser ran [Bismarck] out of the government because the Kaiser was an egotistical idiot."

A famous editorial cartoon from back in the day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropping_the_pilot

It's absolutely amazing how much alternate history can be spun out of small changes in policymaking personages. Especially with reference to WWI, which was one of those enormous inflection points that led to many hugely important subsequent events.

Consider: WWI is never fought. Or, America stays out. Or, Germany emerges victorious. Or, the sealed train containing Lenin is never dispatched to the Finland Station. Or, the young Adolf Hitler succumbs to his combat injuries.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 06:54 PM (gqT4g)

325 Its really a shame we couldn't miniaturize nukes while we still had the will to use them.  Smaller weapons would have been more useful.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 06:54 PM (4JkHl)

326 The UK leadership didn't want to sit out the war and let Germany beat France; they saw it would set up the sort of situation that did occur by June 1940. Even if France wasn't partitioned further, it could be constrained from having an army strong enough to delay a German army. It would thereafter be a German satellite, and perhaps more than that, a German ally. If the French fleet was added to the German navy, Britain could not hold both the North Sea and the Mediterranean without stripping Asia and the South Atlantic, and would thus risk its global empire and any influence in Eastern European affairs. That would in the end threaten the independence and security of the British Isles. That was the "hawk" side of fighting Germany. When it became clear that Germany had no regard for neutrality or submission to peaceful negotiation, the moralists came against Germany too. Russia was heading for revolution and had already seen widespread revolt in 1905. It was just a question of time.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 06:54 PM (ssRIM)

327 There's eleventy seven calories that I did not need. Posted by: AltonJackson ----------------------- Probably some other stuff too. I suspect that it is 'cheddar flavored'. I buy a few pounds of packaged popcorn from the Boy Scouts every year.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 06:55 PM (aDwsi)

328 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2013 11:49 PM (qyfb5) I see a lot of "science" that is little more than poorly designed shit that is clearly meant to make a policy statement (naturalistic fallacy be damned!) So the experiment is designed to get it's preordained outcome so they can issue a press release. It's not fabrication per se, but it's not science either.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at December 30, 2013 06:55 PM (GaqMa)

329 The oddest thing about "climate change" alarmism is that the Holocene has been marked by an unusually stable climate. The history of earth, roughly, is molten quagmire, complete snowball events, humid tropics, and repeating ice ages punctuated with warm periods. The only thing unusual about climate change would be, and is, a lack of it.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 06:56 PM (sOtz/)

330 OK, conking out here.  Enough Canadian Navy goofing (although it was really Canadian celebrity goofing).  Let me say this -

When I served in NATO forces in Germany, there were competitions among the forces, emphasizing infantry, armor and artillery.

The Canadian infantry were frequent winners in those competitions.  The low-down on them was: physically tough, outdoorsy, and very resourceful (maintained effective operations when faced with lack of supply, adverse weather, or pretty much any other problem.)  They would adapt and overcome challenges.

So, glad they're on our side (and we on theirs).

Posted by: Timothy Fountain at December 30, 2013 06:56 PM (XZNzU)

331 Unfortunately it's a flying visit as I have to make a feeble attempt to expand my social circle.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2013 06:57 PM (qyfb5)

332 Thomas K Massie put forward the opinion that Bismarck disliked Wilhelm I's son, Frederick, for being a mealymouth liberal Anglophile. So he saw to it that Wilhelm grew up as a stomping, shouting, selfrighteous GodAlmighty autocratic jackass, just so right-thinking Germans would have Crown Prince Wilhelm around to rein in his dad. Then Frederick died of cancer.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 06:58 PM (ssRIM)

333 It is all making sense now. Ace is crowd sourcing the best use for his time machine.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 06:58 PM (TI3xG)

334 I wish the whisteblower concept could be extended to scientists who can document an inability to replicate published work that used government funding.  Pay the post grads who find the crap, then let the Government claw back the expended funds for cause.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 06:59 PM (4JkHl)

335 The balance of power in WWI had a lot to do with Ireland. Chew on that one while you have a nice fresh brewery-gate Guinness. Know where the word "tank" really originated? 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 07:00 PM (xq1UY)

336 Or, the young Adolf Hitler succumbs to his combat injuries. Posted by: torquewrench ------------------------- It is truly astounding the extent to which a few individuals have steered the course of world history.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:00 PM (aDwsi)

337 Probably some other stuff too. I suspect that it is 'cheddar flavored'. I buy a few pounds of packaged popcorn from the Boy Scouts every year. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 11:55 PM Yes. Some other stuff, too.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 07:01 PM (JMmQ9)

338 "Its really a shame we couldn't miniaturize nukes while we still had the will to use them."

Davy Crockett was pretty darn miniature.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:01 PM (gqT4g)

339 Ok horde, i'm out. Adios!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at December 30, 2013 07:01 PM (GaqMa)

340 313 That would also explain the rampant level of fraudulent published papers (and theses). But I think it's something much deeper and more personal than bias confirmation -- I think it's the triumph of credentialism over achievement.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:43 PM (T1005)


The academic world isn't just infiltrated by the left, it's owned lock, stock and barrel.

You see the same kind of behavior in the MFM and bureaucracies and it's bled into society at large - the inability to discuss coherently and calmly because it is impossible to challenge the premise - and that's critically devastating in science.

Well, it's devastating everywhere, but it's a "core competency failure" in science.

The more I look into it the more I see scientists have as much in common with used car salesmen as not. And that's very, very sad.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2013 11:49 PM (qyfb5)



There was an interesting piece I read a while back about how famous people in the past quite often did extraordinary things at what seem today very young ages -- John Paul Jones captured the Serapis when he was 32; Marie Curie won her first Nobel at 35; Hamilton was writing the Federalist papers at 35....where, today, you're expected to be on your parent's health insurance until you're 27.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 07:02 PM (T1005)

341 So, glad they're on our side (and we on theirs).

Plus, their landmass is big enough to provide us with enough distance for practical intercepts.  Sort of the modern Ukraine.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:03 PM (4JkHl)

342 312 - I love the braille instructions on the drive up ATM ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 07:04 PM (69fz+)

343 I wish the whisteblower concept could be extended to scientists who can document an inability to replicate published work that used government funding. Pay the post grads who find the crap, then let the Government claw back the expended funds for cause. Posted by: Jean ---------------- The archetype for that would be Rosie Redfield, who single handedly smacked down NASA funded Wolfe Simon's arsenic eating algae BS.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:05 PM (aDwsi)

344 I wish the whisteblower concept could be extended to scientists who can document an inability to replicate published work that used government funding. Pay the post grads who find the crap, then let the Government claw back the expended funds for cause. Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 11:59 PM (4JkHl) To be fair, often times in real science the reason that results can't be replicated is because the people who are replicating it don't know what they are doing. It is also common to obfuscate the methods that are listed in experimental sections. The fewer people who can do it means fewer people fighting for that scientific satrapy, which in turns means a better chance of funding for those who do know how to do it. Often, an experimental section will just say "via X technique" or "via X method," either of which requires a lifetime of intense practice to fully grok or be able to physically perform properly.

Posted by: The Scientific Hat at December 30, 2013 07:05 PM (AymDN)

345 It might be a new world order. My first ancestor on Dad's side got here in 1720 and had an 1800 acre King's Grant. He signed with an X. I'll not mention how many slaves were in his will, since that's nothing to be proud of, but illiteracy has not always been an impediment to wealth. Posted by: Tobacco Road at December 30, 2013 11:53 PM (4Mv1T) TRm I don’t think they are illiterate now, the letter probably explained how to get it in every language other than English. In MA if I received a letter from Medicare or Medicaid from MA about my late mother, it would have been accompanied by another page with all the various language translations & number to call to get it in that language. There were about 50. It’s time we make English the Official Language of the US.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 07:05 PM (z4WKX)

346 "Its really a shame we couldn't miniaturize nukes while we still had the will to use them."

Davy Crockett was pretty darn miniature.

Posted by: torquewrench

But not accurate enough, nor built for re-entry.  I have suspicions there were other issues with that design as well, that went un-discussed so the Army could have a seat the big boy table in the building.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:05 PM (4JkHl)

347 Behead inflection points!

Posted by: Ottoman Caliphate at December 30, 2013 07:06 PM (sOtz/)

348 I love the braille instructions on the drive up ATM ... Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 31, 2013 12:04 AM don't get me started....

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2013 07:06 PM (JMmQ9)

349 Russia was heading for revolution and had already seen widespread revolt in 1905. It was just a question of time. Posted by: Chris_Balsz There was a very good book I read years ago by Harrison Salisbury about all the "revolutions" from 1905 to 1917 in Russia. The Revolution in 1917 was more a default collapse of the witless Kerensky government, as they couldn't fix the homefront or wage a war against Germany. "Black Nights, White Snow" was the title.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:08 PM (dCwZe)

350 Sob. Nobody loves me! Boo-hoo!

Posted by: The Null Hypothesis at December 30, 2013 07:08 PM (sOtz/)

351 "Russia was heading for revolution and had already seen widespread revolt in 1905."

Revolt that was quashed. What if the wartime revolt had been similarly quashed?

How does Bolshevism shake out if the galvanizing figure of Lenin is still in exile?

Does a communist clique still seize power under Trotsky, or Stalin, or one of the later-liquidated Old Bolshevik figures? Or does Russia end up for the long haul with a mild social-democratic government under Kerensky or some similar figure instead of going Communist at all?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:09 PM (gqT4g)

352 Scientific Hat, I used topart of process to write big research DoD checks; I saw many programs killed that could not be replicated with the assistance of the original authors.  The essence of science is repeatability.

Of course, many other programs should have been killed - but had political top cover.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:09 PM (4JkHl)

353 Evening, all!

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 07:09 PM (L7WG+)

354 There was an interesting piece I read a while back about how famous people in the past quite often did extraordinary things at what seem today very young ages -- John Paul Jones captured the Serapis when he was 32; Marie Curie won her first Nobel at 35; Hamilton was writing the Federalist papers at 35....where, today, you're expected to be on your parent's health insurance until you're 27. Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:02 AM (T1005) ___________ In the 1700s average life expectancy was about 40. It was higher for the upper classes, but not a lot higher. So at 35 in the 1700s you'd be the equivalent of 50s/60s today.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2013 07:09 PM (0LHZx)

355 The archetype for that would be Rosie Redfield, who single handedly smacked down NASA funded Wolfe Simon's arsenic eating algae BS. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:05 AM (aDwsi) Anyone with any experience with chemistry could tell you that incorporating arsenic in lieu of phosphorous in DNA was total B.S. They may both be chalcogens, but their chemistry, particularly their aqueous ionic chemistry, are totally different. Of course, that paper was probably accepted due to the authors pleading that an atoms identity as a specific element is just a social construct…

Posted by: The Scientific Hat at December 30, 2013 07:09 PM (AymDN)

356 Meanwhile I'm enjoying the news that Beyonce decided to "honor" the Challenger crew by sampling the audio call of the explosion into her latest single.  Because that's a show of respect for the heroic dead-- including the news of their death into your stupid slutty pop song.  Or something.

Posted by: Filly at December 30, 2013 07:10 PM (gr/p1)

357 I love the braille instructions on the drive up ATM ... Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob --------------- Running south of Anniston, Alabama there is a highway marked 'Alabama Highway For the Deaf and Blind'. I was always extra cautious when driving down that road.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:11 PM (aDwsi)

358 344 I wish the whisteblower concept could be extended to scientists who can document an inability to replicate published work that used government funding. Pay the post grads who find the crap, then let the Government claw back the expended funds for cause. Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 11:59 PM (4JkHl) To be fair, often times in real science the reason that results can't be replicated is because the people who are replicating it don't know what they are doing. It is also common to obfuscate the methods that are listed in experimental sections. The fewer people who can do it means fewer people fighting for that scientific satrapy, which in turns means a better chance of funding for those who do know how to do it. Often, an experimental section will just say "via X technique" or "via X method," either of which requires a lifetime of intense practice to fully grok or be able to physically perform properly. Posted by: The Scientific Hat at December 31, 2013 12:05 AM (AymDN) Yup. Even when experimental data is spelled out in great detail it can be useless. Skepticism is your friend. Test the work you read as best you can.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 07:12 PM (EWsrI)

359 Hi Vendette, I think way up in the thread they covered all the major warships of the Canadian Navy including Pam Anderson, Celine Dion, Jim Carrey, and William Shatner.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:13 PM (f1IeF)

360 Of course, that paper was probably accepted due to the authors pleading that an atoms identity as a specific element is just a social construct… Posted by: The Scientific Hat ------------------ Cis-gendered cosmos.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:13 PM (aDwsi)

361
"Black Nights, White Snow" -- my Amazon queue was getting short, thanks.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:13 PM (4JkHl)

362 So, an ex-coworker was on Dr. phil for being a sex addict. Would have never known.

Posted by: RWC at December 30, 2013 07:14 PM (Q6HBD)

363 I was looking @340 and I could see where it wasn't exactly clear where I was going. The point was that we've been seeing an increasing fixation with credentials over results -- John Paul Jones didn't need a PhD, he had the Serapis; Hamilton didn't need a Masters in Political Science. But people aren't doing things as much today, so instead of focusing on the real science to be done, all efforts are focused on number of published papers or whatever sheepskin is being worked-on......and if that's the goal, why do extra work to make stuff accurate?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 07:14 PM (T1005)

364 Anna - No mention of the HMCS Trebek

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:14 PM (aDwsi)

365 Scientific Hat, I used topart of process to write big research DoD checks; I saw many programs killed that could not be replicated with the assistance of the original authors. The essence of science is repeatability. Of course, many other programs should have been killed - but had political top cover. Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:09 AM (4JkHl) Certainly a lot of the unrepeatable stuff is bull. However, sometimes it is just plain difficult to do, especially if you aren't an expert who knows how to do it properly.

Posted by: The Scientific Hat at December 30, 2013 07:15 PM (AymDN)

366
   Playing what if is fun.  Here's a what if for y'all--what if Hitler HADN'T attacked Russia?

  What do you think would have been the outcome?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 30, 2013 07:15 PM (SAMxH)

367 However, sometimes it is just plain difficult to do, especially if you aren't an expert who knows how to do it properly ------------------ Dammit! We've been saying that for 20 years.

Posted by: Fleischmann & Pons at December 30, 2013 07:17 PM (aDwsi)

368 "In the 1700s average life expectancy was about 40. It was higher for the upper classes, but not a lot higher. So at 35 in the 1700s you'd be the equivalent of 50s/60s today."

Crummy stat, use the numbers that exclude infant and early childhood mortality.  If you made it thru the infectious fog to your teens and survived giving birth as a women - the life spans havent changed much.  We are are just a lazy bunch of shits.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:18 PM (4JkHl)

369 "[The itty bitty Davy Crockett warhead was] not accurate enough, nor built for re-entry."

True. But the physics package would have been small enough to be stuffed into today's re-entry vehicles.

Although, jeez, you have to wonder about just removing the secondary from something like the modern W-88 warhead so that it would be all just the small fission yield from the primary.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:19 PM (gqT4g)

370 362 So, an ex-coworker was on Dr. phil for being a sex addict. Would have never known. ________ I would have known.

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 30, 2013 07:19 PM (hW6y3)

371 Hi Vendette, I think way up in the thread they covered all the major warships of the Canadian Navy including Pam Anderson, Celine Dion, Jim Carrey, and William Shatner. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 12:13 AM (f1IeF) The HMCS Justin Bieber is rapidly taking on water.

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 07:19 PM (L7WG+)

372 "Certainly a lot of the unrepeatable stuff is bull. However, sometimes it is just plain difficult to do, especially if you aren't an expert who knows how to do it properly."

Then you pay the guy wrote did the original work to do it again - with rigorous oversight and some asshole Lt Col from Hollis' shop riding the data.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:20 PM (4JkHl)

373 We are are just a lazy bunch of shits. -------------------- I would respond to that..., but I think I'll go to bed instead.

Posted by: Lazy Shit at December 30, 2013 07:20 PM (aDwsi)

374 Sorry. I meant pnictogens, not chalcogens. *lowers head in shame*

Posted by: The Scientific Hat at December 30, 2013 07:20 PM (AymDN)

375 I have read Dr T.S. Rebilke's (if that's a real name) posts on the decline of science with great interest. I agree completely, but as a paper on the sociology of the sciences, if you will, it doesn't go far enough.

University research was always owned, lock stock and barrel, by someone or other. For many of us, engineering was a trade school for a corporation, and physics was the triple-A for government space and weapons research...and we were fine with that. That's a bias. To universalize the concept of research bias, you have to look farther out and farther back than the one/two generations of the current line of bullshit, and recognize the other flavors.

The idea that university departments are even supposed to be the cutting edge of new projects is fairly recent, and, it irks me to say it, pretty damned statist. The great research labs were always part of a privately controlled institute, a business, or a wealthy amateur's estate, until this last century. Then the Germans built that weapons lab shaped like the Kaiser's hat, and the race was on. At this point, we still feel cozy with the notion because Moonshot, but our doubled-edged sword has turned on us hasn't it.

In engineering, there was an English school and a French school (of thought) in the 18th century. Franklin commented on the superiority of English experiment design, and the superior work habits of English researchers. West Point came down hard on one side of the scale, and the impact of its [engineering] graduates left a heavy mark on the profession in the US in the two generations in which it was the only game in town. In chemistry, well, duPont was a refugee from France, developed a gunpowder less susceptible to damp (in a blue state!), sold it all to our side, and there you go. About the time the Puritan establishment lost control of Harvard.

 


Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (xq1UY)

376 The HMCS Justin Bieber is rapidly taking on water. __________ Umm... That's not water. Just saying.

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (hW6y3)

377 366 Playing what if is fun. Here's a what if for y'all--what if Hitler HADN'T attacked Russia? What do you think would have been the outcome? Posted by: irongrampa at December 31, 2013 12:15 AM (SAMxH) Britain makes a deal for peace. The Nazis consolidate their gains and modernize their forces. Stalin modernizes. War between the Soviets and Nazis starts in the late Forties. It's a draw. Hitler drops dead. Very nasty weapons get used. Both sides lose.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (EWsrI)

378 But not accurate enough, nor built for re-entry. I have suspicions there were other issues with that design as well, that went un-discussed so the Army could have a seat the big boy table in the building.

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:05 AM (4JkHl)


I have read about the Davy Crockett several times. It was a small missile that could be launched from a Jeep or other small vehicle. 15kt warhead, IIRC. Intended for things like stopping a column of tanks in the Fulda Gap. I saw criticism of it for reason that the crew firing it were within the blast radius of the warhead. Well, who would know better that an A-bomb was about to go off at point X than the guys who launched the damn thing? Push the button, then get your ass in a slit trench, or hunker down behind a rock wall or one of your own tanks, so you have shelter from the immediate blast and radiation flash. The fallout might get you. Or not. But you would remain an effective fighter for a few days, even if you were to absorb an ultimately lethal dose of fallout. Not so if you got a lethal does from direct exposure to radiation from the fireball.



Personally, I believe the biggest issue with miniaturized nuke weapons is that they made the idea of first use more palatable, and raised the specter of an ever-increasing nuclear exchange, back in the day when mutually-assured destruction was the mantra.But it seems to me that mini-nukes would be just dandy for dealing with rogue states with few or no nukes of their own, but otherwise well-armed and dangerous. Saddam Hussein, exhibit A.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (60Q+L)

379 What do you think would have been the outcome? Posted by: irongrampa at December 31, 2013 12:15 AM (SAMxH) Hundreds of thousands of dead Americans for nothing. A Fascist/Communist state in all of Europe. Basically, Europe is gone.

Posted by: RWC at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (Q6HBD)

380 In the 1700s average life expectancy was about 40. It was higher for the upper classes, but not a lot higher. So at 35 in the 1700s you'd be the equivalent of 50s/60s today. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 12:09 AM (0LHZx) So they hit puberty at age 7? Had children at 10?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 07:21 PM (BXLPR)

381 Can the HMCS Justine Beiber sink faster and take her captain with it in the cold chilly waters of the Antarctic near the stranded ship?

Then Mike there is the HMCS James Doohan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:22 PM (f1IeF)

382 "something like the modern W-88 warhead so that it would be all just the small fission yield from the primary."

Thats where I was heading, something small enough to say wipe out the harbor at Haiphong or immolate Kharj Is. without making a big mess.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:23 PM (4JkHl)

383 What do you think would have been the outcome? Posted by: irongrampa But Hitler's entire premise for his Regime was to fight the barbaric Bolshevik horde. He constantly talked about destroying Soviet Russia. The Riibbentrop Molotov Pact was a plan to divide Eastern Europe (The Bloodlands) and pull out the Soviets from the "Stalin Line", which was a series of defensive fortifications and supply dumps. Now, what if Franco had lost the Spanish civil war, and the Bolshevik "Republicans" had won? Would Hitler have invaded Spain and run down to Gibraltar and sealed the Eastern Med? That could have protected his southern flank and changed the outcome of the war. The Afrika Corp defeats the British in Egypt, and rolls eastward to Iran and Southern Russia. No Lend-Lease through the Southern route.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:24 PM (dCwZe)

384

The older I get the more worried I become that the moon landing never happened and that China or some other nation is going to send a rover to the moon and prove it. China is there now. Seems strange that we were able to do it forty years ago but such a notion now is preposterous. NOT a conspiracy guy. Just a dope wondering "what if" we faked the whole fucking thing to mash balls in Russian faces years ago?

 

Yes I expect, hope and want to be wrong.

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:25 PM (dmhUI)

385 354 There was an interesting piece I read a while back about how famous people in the past quite often did extraordinary things at what seem today very young ages -- John Paul Jones captured the Serapis when he was 32; Marie Curie won her first Nobel at 35; Hamilton was writing the Federalist papers at 35....where, today, you're expected to be on your parent's health insurance until you're 27.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:02 AM (T1005)

___________

In the 1700s average life expectancy was about 40. It was higher for the upper classes, but not a lot higher. So at 35 in the 1700s you'd be the equivalent of 50s/60s today.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 31, 2013 12:09 AM (0LHZx)


That's a common misconception -- much of the life expectancy differential was focused pre-puberty. As an example, the individuals mentioned made it to 45, 66, and 49 -- but were felled by acute kidney failure, radiation sickness, and Aaron Burr, respectively. Their life expectancy otherwise wasn't all that different from today's once they hit adulthood.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 07:25 PM (T1005)

386 "Here's a what if for y'all--what if Hitler HADN'T attacked Russia?"

I had always figured that if Hitler had refrained, Stalin would have waited for an opening and then attacked Germany.

Those suspicions were strengthened by the book _Icebreaker_, written by a Cold War era Soviet military intelligence defector. He averred that the USSR had been quietly gearing up to do just that when the Nazis preempted.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:26 PM (gqT4g)

387 "I saw criticism of it for reason that the crew firing it were within the blast radius of the warhead."

A good friend had an ADM as a Lt, and the lead wire were far shorter then the blast radius.  He aslo had a Senior NCO who would shoot him if he didn't execute the firing sequence if ordered.

The Russians were never going to penetrate the Fulda Gap. Period.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:27 PM (4JkHl)

388 356 Meanwhile I'm enjoying the news that Beyonce decided to "honor" the Challenger crew by sampling the audio call of the explosion into her latest single. Because that's a show of respect for the heroic dead-- including the news of their death into your stupid slutty pop song. Or something. Posted by: Filly at December 31, 2013 12:10 AM (gr/p1) The same Beyonce who partied with Quaddafy ? I wonder if the Kwadaffi family showed her their rape rooms. Beyonce is just one more clueless, ignorant, self-important entertainment industry nitwit. Yep, that's who should honor the Challenger dead.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2013 07:27 PM (mck3/)

389 The HMCS Justin Bieber is rapidly taking on water.
__________

Umm... That's not water. Just saying.###

Yes it was full of seamen first.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 07:28 PM (TI3xG)

390

Hernan Cortes' @ 33 entrusted to basically take over the New World as it existed at the time. And he did.

 

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:28 PM (dmhUI)

391 JDW, I think it's the second drop of acid that should have been your last. Please don't take a fourth.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 30, 2013 07:29 PM (Xfl0F)

392 I loved the chart of naval comparisons. I wear a hat over here that says USS West Virginia SSBN-736. with an interesting logo on it. Sometimes in meetings with 'gummmit guys over here in commieland" they ask about it. I say "that's a nuke sub my aunt helped refurb". They say "we would like to see that someday." I smile and reply.."it's here now. Keep screwing around over a piece of rock for oil rights and you may see it sooner than you wish". That's always a show stopper!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 30, 2013 07:29 PM (AsNwg)

393 Hundreds of thousands of dead Americans for nothing. A Fascist/Communist state in all of Europe. Basically, Europe is gone. Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2013 12:21 AM (Q6HBD) And that is different than what is happening in Europe now in what way???

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 07:29 PM (AymDN)

394 Good evening, Horde. Or perhaps, I should say good morning. I did a billion laundry and knit a lot of stuff today. I have nothing interesting to say so I think I will go back and read the previous comments.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 30, 2013 07:29 PM (N/cFh)

395 Not Eastern Med, the Western Med. Bedtime, I'm getting punchy.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:29 PM (dCwZe)

396 The reason Operation Barbarossa kicked off when it did, ignoring the one month delay due to the Serbs getting uppity, was Stalin had just finished killing off more of his generals.  It was a window of opportunity the Germans would have been criminally stupid to ignore.  Then they blew it by throwing forces across a large board without adequate support or a coherent strategy.  There were forces that could have saved the VIth Army in Stalingrad but they had orders to drive south and seize oil fields.  And then there was the idiotic no retreat order.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:30 PM (f1IeF)

397 Posted by: nerdygirl at December 31, 2013 12:27 AM (mck3/)

I looked up the lyrics and first Google hit was-- wait for it-- Slate writing all about how this wonderful important song was "misunderstood."

We need Slate around in the burning times to remind us of what summoned SMOD to begin with.  I hope they have plenty of server back-up.

Posted by: Filly at December 30, 2013 07:30 PM (gr/p1)

398 If by "gone" you include Islamic states, Europe will be there shortly despite the best efforts of several generations. I used to think decades, but that was already a decade ago.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 07:31 PM (sOtz/)

399 "Hernan Cortes' @ 33 entrusted to basically take over the New World as it existed at the time"

I don't think "entrusted" is the word your looking for ... They wanted to get rid of him and sent him off to die, except he didnt.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:31 PM (4JkHl)

400

BTH - dude, I am with you. But, really...if we manufactured that whole thing and it is eventually proven that we did - FUCK!!

It'd make a great screenplay. American officials having to suddenly scramble to create various landing sites in 2013 or so that we claimed were always there but never really happened. (Just ate another tab).

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:31 PM (dmhUI)

401 384 The older I get the more worried I become that the moon landing never happened and that China or some other nation is going to send a rover to the moon and prove it. China is there now. Seems strange that we were able to do it forty years ago but such a notion now is preposterous. NOT a conspiracy guy. Just a dope wondering "what if" we faked the whole fucking thing to mash balls in Russian faces years ago? Yes I expect, hope and want to be wrong. Posted by: JDW at December 31, 2013 12:25 AM (dmhUI) Modern devices here and in Space use and see the shit we left on the a Moon. Faking it would have been more difficult and costly than actually doing it. Imagine the nightmare of getting caught. The reason we have not returned to the Moon is found in the reason we went there in the first place. It was a stunt. Stunts don't get repeated when the need for them is gone. In the future the Moon will be visited and colonized by Americans. Private citizens will go there to make money. This is the better way to do things. Much better than stupid Federal Government stunts.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 07:32 PM (EWsrI)

402 *transfers to the dinghy, rows for the shore, and bed*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 30, 2013 07:33 PM (aDwsi)

403

Jean - when I read a biography of Cortes and the part about his crew wanting to grab the easy gold given them by the natives and head home - and the dude BURNS THE BOATS!

 

So there will be NO going back??!....straight-up gangsta shit!

 

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:33 PM (dmhUI)

404 Crikies Mike, couldn't you have found a better lifeboat than Debbie Washerman-Schlitz?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:34 PM (f1IeF)

405 The Russians were never going to penetrate the Fulda Gap. Period.

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:27 AM (4JkHl)


Point being that a nuclear bomb won't necessarily kill you within its blast radius if have something really, really solid to hide behind, or in. A deep trench would be ideal. The heat and radiation are strictly line of sight. The overpressure from the blast is not, but a trench will not collapse from that, unless it's ready to collapse at the slightest shake. A thick stone or concrete wall, or the mass of a tank should provide adequate shelter from the relatively small blast of a Davy Crockett device.



And what's to say you couldn't put the same warhead on a larger missile, with, say, a range of ten or twenty miles, or on a Predator drone?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2013 07:35 PM (60Q+L)

406 384 The older I get the more worried I become that the moon landing never happened and that China or some other nation is going to send a rover to the moon and prove it. China is there now. Seems strange that we were able to do it forty years ago but such a notion now is preposterous. NOT a conspiracy guy. Just a dope wondering "what if" we faked the whole fucking thing to mash balls in Russian faces years ago? Yes I expect, hope and want to be wrong. Posted by: JDW at December 31, 2013 12:25 AM (dmhUI) The reason why we "can't" do it today is because we have already done it, several times. We then took our space program to deep space exploration and living in space. Skylab and the ISS were the next steps in that process. Plus, for deep space and close earth orbit, we didn't need a delivery vehicle like the Saturn V, so they were scrapped, and in the case of Skylab, the final stage was converted to a space station.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 07:35 PM (BXLPR)

407 Going to the moon is no big deal.

Posted by: Wallace & Gromit at December 30, 2013 07:36 PM (aDwsi)

408 JDW - read the The Discovery and Conquest of Mexico by Diaz.  And Diaz, the expedition's priest died in his 80s or 90s - still sleeping in his armor on the floor every night - just to be ready.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:36 PM (4JkHl)

409

Thanks AJPS and Eman.

 

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:37 PM (dmhUI)

410

Will do, Jean! Really appreciate the recommendation!

 

Posted by: JDW at December 30, 2013 07:38 PM (dmhUI)

411 Alexander the Great busted out of a Greek province to conquer everything from Egypt to Pakistan by the age of 32.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 07:38 PM (T1005)

412 And what's to say you couldn't put the same warhead on a larger missile, with, say, a range of ten or twenty miles, or on a Predator drone? Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon Little John and Honest John. Army artillery missiles that carried tactical nuclear warheads. They existed and were deployed. The Davy Crockett was only around for a few years until it was supplanted. And nuclear artillery. Artillery that could fire small nuclear warheads in a large shell.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:38 PM (dCwZe)

413 I visited Bend, OR. last weekend. I saw the most amazing thing. Bend has something like 20 microbreweries. One (legal) way to visit them all is to climb aboard a cyclepub. This looks like a cable car, except smaller. Six drinkers on each side, facing inward, and drink beer while pedaling the cyclepub. An (ostensibly) sober person sits in the middle and applies the steering and brakes as necessary. It is a human powered, slow moving conveyance for beer drinkers. Possibly the most civilized thing I have ever seen.

Posted by: navybrat at December 30, 2013 07:38 PM (AW7Gr)

414 Alberta, you can Today - but now we are to much of a bunch of wilting pussys to use it.  We needed it decades ago - we were discussing "will".

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:39 PM (4JkHl)

415 "Now, what if Franco had lost the Spanish civil war, and the Bolshevik 'Republicans' had won? Would Hitler have invaded Spain and run down to Gibraltar"

Interesting. Never considered that particular scenario.

Wondering about how well a thinly spread group of German forces would do trying to defend Spain's copiously vulnerable coastline against a potential UK expeditionary force. It might not end up in a Dunkirk-style retreat to the sea for the Brits.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:39 PM (gqT4g)

416 Maybe we should put the UN and Iranian nuclear negotiators on the ice-locked ship in Antarctica.  IF we are lucky the crew will kill them.  Or they will kill each other.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:40 PM (f1IeF)

417 @383 It's like asking, "What if Japan had declared war and sunk the US Battle Line off the coast of the Phillipines in night battle?" In 1941 we weren't up to night gunnery duels, our torpedoes were crap with 1/3 the range of a Long Lance, even if the warheads detonated; our admirals would have wasted the carriers as dispersed scouts in order to provoke a battleship duel; and the Army's B-17s out of the Phillipines would not have sunk anything moving. Worse, in 1941, we didn't know any of that was true. But the whole point of the IJN was to be strong enough to win a knockout sneak attack.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 07:41 PM (ssRIM)

418 TorqueWrench, you mean a Spanish Dieppe?  That ended well for the Canadian forces the Brits tossed at that beach.  Not.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:42 PM (f1IeF)

419 Maybe we should put the UN and Iranian nuclear negotiators on the ice-locked ship in Antarctica. IF we are lucky the crew will kill them. Or they will kill each other. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 12:40 AM (f1IeF) As idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean…

Posted by: Rime of the Ancient Hat at December 30, 2013 07:42 PM (AymDN)

420 Modern devices here and in Space use and see the shit we left on the a Moon. Faking it would have been more difficult and costly than actually doing it. Imagine the nightmare of getting caught. The reason we have not returned to the Moon is found in the reason we went there in the first place. It was a stunt. Stunts don't get repeated when the need for them is gone. In the future the Moon will be visited and colonized by Americans. Private citizens will go there to make money. This is the better way to do things. Much better than stupid Federal Government stunts. Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 12:32 AM (EWsrI) Look back to the colonization of North America. Governments did not send over armies to colonize, companies sent over people to make money for the corporations. North America was just dripping with wealth, all that timber that could be used for whatever needed in Europe was just sitting there for the taking.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 07:42 PM (BXLPR)

421 @ 416 Yeah, tell them "We'll take half of you back. You figure it out."

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 07:43 PM (ssRIM)

422 Wondering about how well a thinly spread group of German forces would do trying to defend Spain's copiously vulnerable coastline against a potential UK expeditionary force. It might not end up in a Dunkirk-style retreat to the sea for the Brits. Posted by: torquewrench Hitler constantly expected Franco to come into the war on his side. Franco wanted nothing to do with the war. He wanted to keep Spain intact, and had no love for Nazi Germany. He was not a raving anti-Semite, and frankly saw Hitler and the Nazis for what they were.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:43 PM (dCwZe)

423 If you get a chance look at that Time article in the sidebar supposedly in defense of Phil Robertson. It is a typical backhanded analysis. Dreher says that only the older Black generation who 'lived through the hate and violence of Jim Crow' suddenly shocked him recently with racist anger in his "rural Louisiana hometown". Well, I have lived in both the DC North corridor and "down the bayah" and I found generally all generations of Blacks are becoming openly racist in the North towards all Races while in the South it is the younger generation in their 20s and 30s that want to kill mostly Whitey. It is purely political in nature. (Obviously a generalization on my part as most people are NOT openly racist; particularly in the South Louisiana area). To prove it to yourself simply turn on one of the many many PBS stations in DC, Baltimore or New Orleans on any night of the week and watch as someone breathlessly shows photos of lynchings and talks about the "millions of Blacks murdered and oppressed by the White Man" as if every atrocity were carefully documented and, by the way, still happening daily especially in the South. Strangly this seems to be broadcast in mostly Democratic controlled major cities. I've never been in Detroit but I'll lay odds that the same shit is on TV day after day there also. If I saw that all my life I'd be fucking furious too. It also comes from the Liberation Theology churches. I saw a nasty argument between two of my coworkers once; Both were the same age, both women and both Black but one had just left the military and the other had just come from church. The one that just came into work from church accused the other of being a terrorist in Iraq fighting the White Man's war for oil. I'm waiting for the shift to "all Mexican genocide all the time and the USA was stolen from the Latino voters" in the coming years as that demographic increases in census.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 30, 2013 07:45 PM (Og/JR)

424 An astrologer had a better chance of convincing Hitler to not invade the Soviet Union than his Generals did.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 07:47 PM (EWsrI)

425 "I'm waiting for the shift to "all Mexican genocide all the time and the USA was stolen from the Latino voters" in the coming years as that demographic increases in census."

All you have to do is listen to Mexican AM radio. Or go to a Mexican school. They've been teaching that for 150 years. They even have a word for it: Reconquista.

Posted by: navybrat at December 30, 2013 07:47 PM (AW7Gr)

426 BTH that's a better way of saying "get the mush out of your head JDW", which is what I was going to say, lol ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 07:48 PM (69fz+)

427 One ripple of the Brits losing Gibraltar if Hitler had been willing and able to seize it would have impacted the Royal Navy quite badly.

The Royal Navy was very dependent upon ports for refueling.  When Home Fleet and Force H cornered and sank Bismarck, Home Fleet with Rodney was almost out of fuel.  If Ark Royal had not crippled the battleship, it would have escaped.  Due to lack of fuel on the Britain's part.

For Pacific operations in 1944-45, the Royal Navy did create the fleet train needed for that expansive ocean. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:48 PM (f1IeF)

428 On lifespan just go back to the 50/60s. I had a great grandpa that lived to 99. But my grandpa died at 67. The big change has been being able to help those that would have died in their 60s back then alive into their 80s. Cancer treatments and pacemakers being the big 2 in this revolution. Both go bye bye if the ACA survives.

Posted by: The Hickster at December 30, 2013 07:48 PM (TI3xG)

429 But the whole point of the IJN was to be strong enough to win a knockout sneak attack. Posted by: Chris_Balsz In the early part of the war, the IJN didn't realize how good they were. It is scary to think about how your scenario might have actually happened, and what a stinging defeat might have occurred. By spreading out to cover their island empire, they actually invited "defeat in detail" once they ran the table in early 1942, plus their fleet was based near their oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 30, 2013 07:48 PM (dCwZe)

430 We bounced a laser off the mirror Apollo left on the moon. Thus we know it is creeping away from us and is an impact event, not a capture. Plus, growing up in Florida, I have seen stuff launched into orbit my entire life. Faking that would cost more than simply doing it.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 07:50 PM (sOtz/)

431 "But, really...if we manufactured that whole thing and it is eventually proven that we did - FUCK!! "

I've been fortunate enough to spend a few of the hours of my life talking engineering with some of the people who designed and built Apollo-Saturn.

You could never manage to come up with a completely consistent cover story, to include unpredictable technical fuck-ups, to that level of immensely in depth detail. Sorry. It happened. Just as the history books relate it.

There are two things about which all of those old engineers are completely consistent.

The first is, for Pete's sake, we were just getting to where we were really GOOD at going to the Moon when the politicians pulled the plug on the program. Some amazing science opportunities were left on the table. And the boosters had been built for a few more moonshots.

The second is that sooner or later there would have been a crew lost in flight, simply because of the distances and dangers involved, and the lack of backups for certain flight functions. CSM engine won't fire for transearth injection after the returned LM is jettisoned? Crew die in lunar orbit. No possible rescue option.

And really, if you go back and read the deliberations, a big part of what motivated the politicians was fear of another Apollo 13 scenario, except without the possibility of crew survival. It would have been a huge national trauma at a time when there were already more than enough of those going on.

Sadly, America still has not figured out that (in the words of one wise sage), "Perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 07:50 PM (gqT4g)

432 Posted a message on my fantasy football team's blog.
That nobody reads now or plays for that matter...
Old post here from a faux new wire.
Whatever happened to this guy on the Nobel Prize winner's watch?

Thu 26-Aug-2010

Viktor Bout To Be Extradited By Auction
Alleged arms dealer to be sold to highest international bidder

BANGKOK (SFI) – The Foreign Ministry announced today a halt to the extradition proceedings of alleged Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout to the US. Instead, the former KGB agent and supposed inspiration for the film “Lord of War” will be extradited to the highest bidder in an attempt at fairness and transparency.

“The Russians lobbied hard to influence the original Criminal Court trial, which ended in their favor. Then the Americans lobbied hard to influence the appeals court decision, which they won. All this lobbying is hard for us to keep track of. So we think an outright auction is best,” said Sirisak Tiyaphan, director for international affairs at the Office of the Attorney General.
The process of deciding where to extradite Bout has caused chaos and gridlock among Thailand’s competing government institutions, all of which want to extract some kind of gain from their piece of the process. As a result, competitive lack of co-operation has stalled the case, preventing anyone from being properly paid off.

“By auctioning him off publicly, and splitting the proceeds evenly between the courts, the police, and the Foreign Ministry, we can all come away happy,” said Chartchai Sutthiklom, director-general of the Corrections Department.

“Together we can,” he added.

The auction will be held at the Supreme Court next Monday at 9AM,with the bidding to begin at 100 million Baht. Main bidders expected to attend include the Russian government, the US State Department, Mossad, Congo president Joseph Kabila, and a consortium of Hollywood producers headed by Jerry Bruckheimer.

Posted by: Forty Baht Barack at December 30, 2013 07:51 PM (5iRMA)

433 "Wondering about how well a thinly spread group of German forces would do trying to defend Spain's copiously vulnerable coastline against a potential UK expeditionary force. It might not end up in a Dunkirk-style retreat to the sea for the Brits."

Resupply through the mountains would have sucked, I believe there were only two or three rail lines at the time going north south.

The real scary scenario is if the rest of the Germany communication folks had used Enigma like the Germany Navy.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:51 PM (4JkHl)

434 1985: Gobsmacked. Suck it, rest of the Ys. That word rocks.

Posted by: CAC at December 30, 2013 07:53 PM (yYx8W)

435 The Flower Chart is what helped keep Kreigsmarine Enigma traffic secure.  Thanks to the Poles, England had an Enigma and when the Germans added a wheel they adapted and kept reading the Whermahct traffic.  But when a Flower Chart was captured, then the U-boats Enigma traffic became an open book.

IIRC in 1940 or 1941 the RN captured a German U-boat being used as a weather station up near Greenland.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 07:55 PM (f1IeF)

436 Being born in 1958, I drew the short straw as regards to newly coined words. I've absolutely never heard "photo call" used. Not once. By contrast, "bada-bing" originated in 1965 and "mobile phone" in 1945.

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2013 07:56 PM (sdi6R)

437 In the future the Moon will be visited and colonized by Americans. Private citizens will go there to make money.

Unfortunately, there is this pesky treaty that we Americans will be held accountable to - but the Russians and Chinese (and Indians) will not.  Personally I think the value is in the asteroids, anything good ejected by the moon impact probably fell back to earth.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 07:58 PM (4JkHl)

438 434 1985: Gobsmacked.

Suck it, rest of the Ys. That word rocks.

Posted by: CAC at December 31, 2013 12:53 AM (yYx8W)



1985?!? I have ties that are older than you are!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 07:58 PM (T1005)

439 Dolphins getting high by chewing on puffer fish then pass it around.

????? So maybe they are as intelligent as man.

http://tinyurl.com/n9sty2o

No word yet on if certain dolphin "Youts" play the knockout game. (with REAL polar bears)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:00 PM (LSDdO)

440 This place do tend to get bizzaaro in the ONT.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 30, 2013 08:00 PM (ojnk6)

441 "where, today, you're expected to be on your
parent's health insurance until you're 27."

Lindbergh was in a hurry to get fly to Paris because he just turned twenty seven and was off his moms healthcare plan. He was interested in getting some of that sweet European socialist healthcare.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2013 08:00 PM (IV4od)

442 "If you get a chance look at that Time article in the sidebar supposedly in defense of Phil Robertson. It is a typical backhanded analysis."

I had read it this morning, and I thought the less of Rod Dreher for having written it.

But, it's the sort of piece that Time pays for, and Time wouldn't have run anything other on this topic than the sort of piece that they pay for.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2013 08:00 PM (gqT4g)

443 Anna, '42.  Without all the procedural screw ups - I'm not sure the poles would have broken it in 38.  If one German officer had followed procedure and thermited the crypto ...

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:01 PM (4JkHl)

444 The auction will be held at the Supreme Court next Monday at 9AM,with the bidding to begin at 100 million Baht. Main bidders expected to attend include the Russian government, the US State Department, Mossad, Congo president Joseph Kabila, and a consortium of Hollywood producers headed by Jerry Bruckheimer. Posted by: Forty Baht Barack at December 31, 2013 12:51 AM (5iRMA) He's serving 25 years in the Fed Pen in Marion, IL. Guess we got the "SOLD"! from the auctioneer.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:02 PM (BXLPR)

445 @411Alexander the Great busted out of a Greek province to conquer everything from Egypt to Pakistan by the age of 32.

I suppose you're going to try to say he didn't get a classical education.
He had a really expensive tutor, and I know for a fact he studied Aristotle.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:03 PM (xq1UY)

446 "No word yet on if certain dolphin "Youts" play the knockout game. (with REAL polar bears)"

I think they p[lay with sharks

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:03 PM (4JkHl)

447 Dolphins get high and alligators use tools. It's been a great couple weeks for animal intelligence.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 08:04 PM (sOtz/)

448 Unfortunately, there is this pesky treaty that we Americans will be held accountable to - but the Russians and Chinese (and Indians) will not. Personally I think the value is in the asteroids, anything good ejected by the moon impact probably fell back to earth. Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 12:58 AM (4JkHl) There is always the belief by some that since the Soviet Union is no more, that any treaty we signed with them is no longer valid since the USSR no longer exists.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:05 PM (BXLPR)

449 From urban dictionary: Cisgender: A word created by an attention whoring, douche bag, drama queen which describes how the majority of people view their own sexual identity. often used as a pejorative against normal people by fat, ugly gender studies majors who are so absolutely fucking dull that they must create interesting aspects of their personalities such as identifying as gender-queer or developing an eating disorder. fat hazel identified as gender-queer, because no right minded cisgendered man would touch her.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 08:06 PM (Xx3xL)

450 Query what might have been if the Nazi sympathizers in the West (eg, old Joe Kennedy, lots of Titled Brits, Henry Ford) hadn't had guys like Churchill in their way. Or what might have been if the Battle of Midway had gone the other way. Or if the secret Enigma and radar and other advantages of the West had not existed. Lots of interesting what-ifs. Many have made for wonderful works of fiction.

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 30, 2013 08:08 PM (5Q1ZU)

451 445 @411Alexander the Great busted out of a Greek province to conquer everything from Egypt to Pakistan by the age of 32.

I suppose you're going to try to say he didn't get a classical education.
He had a really expensive tutor, and I know for a fact he studied Aristotle.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2013 01:03 AM (xq1UY)



It just goes to show how you can get a good education without chasing a bunch of useless degree requirements. Aristotle, BTW, made it to 62.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 08:08 PM (T1005)

452 "There is always the belief by some that since the Soviet Union is no more, that any treaty we signed with them is no longer valid since the USSR no longer exists."

If I were a Russian oligarch/multi-billionaire with a few hundred ex-KGB/Spetnaz types in my marketing department - that's how I would interpret it.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:08 PM (4JkHl)

453

1964: Beatlesque

I guess that having 4   #1 hits that year made comparing everything to them inevitable

 

Like the early mass communication / computer references

'63  cyberculture

'66  computernik

Posted by: PMRich at December 30, 2013 08:11 PM (KDUNf)

454 Jean, yes that is another of those great big 'what-ifs'  What if that Enigma machine had not fallen into Polish hands and then survive to be smuggled to England.  How would that have changed things like the Africa campaign.

Another great 'what-if' to ponder is if the German commerce raider Atlantis had not captured SS Automedon.  Would Japan have been able to win some of its victories?  Would Japan have even gone to war in the first place?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:11 PM (f1IeF)

455 What if Lee had not ordered Pickett to charge?

Posted by: navybrat at December 30, 2013 08:12 PM (AW7Gr)

456 "Another great 'what-if' to ponder is if the German commerce raider Atlantis had not captured SS Automedon. Would Japan have been able to win some of its victories? Would Japan have even gone to war in the first place?"

or had Sorge been ignored, I like the what if's that derive from a singular, improbable point.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:13 PM (4JkHl)

457 What if Napoleon had a B-52?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:15 PM (EWsrI)

458 What if Stonewall Jackson had a guy ride ahead of him with a lantern hollering "Don't shoot, Stonewall Jackson coming through"

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 08:16 PM (ssRIM)

459 Wow had almost forgotten about the Soviet spy Sorge and his ring in Japan.  Guess better pull that book Target Tokyo by Prange off the shelves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:17 PM (f1IeF)

460 What if Lincoln had said, "No thanks. You go see the play and I'll just stay home and crank one out and turn in early."

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:19 PM (EWsrI)

461 What if Joshua Stewart Chamberlain had the option of calling for air support?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at December 30, 2013 08:19 PM (ssRIM)

462 What if no rock hits Mexico 65,000,000 years ago? Hitler: The T-Rex!

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 08:20 PM (sOtz/)

463 If I were a Russian oligarch/multi-billionaire with a few hundred ex-KGB/Spetnaz types in my marketing department - that's how I would interpret it. Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 01:08 AM (4JkHl) That is how Putin interprets it, especially if it benefits Russia. Unfortunately, we don't do the same.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:21 PM (BXLPR)

464 366
Playing what if is fun. Here's a what if for y'all--what if Hitler HADN'T attacked Russia?

What do you think would have been the outcome?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 31, 2013 12:15 AM (SAMxH)



====

Germany would have run short of oil about the time they predicted they would.  Perhaps they could have made a significant run at the middle east instead, but that would have exposed their naval weakness.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 08:21 PM (PlzOe)

465 What if Elvis had taken a laxative instead of trying to squeeze that last loaf out.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:22 PM (BXLPR)

466 What if the Doolittle Raid had killed Emperor Hirohito?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:22 PM (EWsrI)

467 431 The second is that sooner or later there would have been a crew lost in flight, simply because of the distances and dangers involved, and the lack of backups for certain flight functions. CSM engine won't fire for transearth injection after the returned LM is jettisoned? Crew die in lunar orbit. No possible rescue option. Yeah, they got cold feet and thought they were pushing their luck after six successful moon flights. If the Apollo 13 accident had happened on Apollo 8, the crew would have died since they didn't have a LM to use as a lifeboat. Apollo 8 was the single gutsiest spaceflight in history. It bordered on foolhardy, since Apollo 6, the second unmanned Saturn V test, had a number of serious problems. Sadly, America still has not figured out that (in the words of one wise sage), "Perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 12:50 AM (gqT4g) Somebody ought to write a book about that. http://tinyurl.com/lglbl5l

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2013 08:22 PM (sdi6R)

468 @451 Aristotle had an excellent pension fund. Plato, you know, ran an Academy, (although of course "degrees" did not exist), and quite a privileged few got ahead on the strength of his credentials. Including Aristotle, for about 20 years.

Degree requirements are not useless. Modern degrees do not have requirements, and  that is what all the shouting is about.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:22 PM (xq1UY)

469 Or what if the April fire-bombing of Tokyo by B-29s had gotten Hirohito...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:23 PM (f1IeF)

470 What if we never went into Vietnam in force? What if Patton had been able to keep going East?

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 30, 2013 08:23 PM (5Q1ZU)

471 What if someone had actually bought Hitler's crappy art work?

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:24 PM (RJMhd)

472 What if George Tenet wasn't a fucking retard?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:24 PM (EWsrI)

473 And...the ultimate question-- what was in Sandy Burger's sock?

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:25 PM (RJMhd)

474 What if McCain had had a heart attack in late September of '08?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:26 PM (LSDdO)

475 oops *Berger*

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:26 PM (RJMhd)

476 Or if Stuart had't been a complete jag off for the entire battle and had actually attacked.the flank during pickets charrge like he was supposed to. Or if Ewell had taken the heights on the first day like he was supposed to. Shelby Foote said the union fought the war with one arm behind its back..if things had kept going bad the north would have just pulled the other arm out. Lee could not have taken washington before meade caught up with him and he would have had to withdraw because of supplies. My Homie Hiram Simpson (Galena, I.pop 3500 salute) would still have mopped everything up.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 08:26 PM (Xx3xL)

477 Wasn't it Tojo and the Military that kept pursuing the war?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:27 PM (LSDdO)

478 What if Jimmy Carter had been reelected? What if Al Gore had been elected? What if?

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 30, 2013 08:27 PM (5Q1ZU)

479 What if Obama's mom had stayed in Kenya?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:27 PM (EWsrI)

480 465 Ashley Judd's etc. etc. "What if Elvis had taken a laxative instead of trying to squeeze that last loaf out. ? " A hard question, indeed.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 30, 2013 08:27 PM (FlRtG)

481 What if Obama's mom kept her legs crossed?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:28 PM (LSDdO)

482 Seriously the--what was in Berger's sock question could stop the ultimate evil-- Hillary 2016

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:28 PM (RJMhd)

483 @481 Oh, I think she did. See what happens?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:29 PM (xq1UY)

484 Wasn't the most likely thing in Berger sock was proof that Clinton screwed the pooch on Al Qaeda?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:29 PM (LSDdO)

485 What if Jamie Gorelick had never joined the Clinton administration.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:29 PM (BXLPR)

486 What if some American military forces rescued the folks in Benghazi and told Hillary and Fuckface to suck it?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:29 PM (EWsrI)

487 What if john McCain was sane and had a pair?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:30 PM (LSDdO)

488 What if Paula Jones et al had been taken seriously such that Bill woulda never been prezzy?

Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 30, 2013 08:30 PM (5Q1ZU)

489 What if England and France had let Germany have Poland and watched Hitler and Stalin fight it out on their own?

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 08:30 PM (Xx3xL)

490 480 465 Ashley Judd's etc. etc. "What if Elvis had taken a laxative instead of trying to squeeze that last loaf out. ? " A hard question, indeed. Posted by: Arbalest at December 31, 2013 01:27 AM (FlRtG) One that makes you think so hard that the veins on your forehead pop out.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac, waiting on an apology on behalf of the KaBoom Kiddes at December 30, 2013 08:31 PM (BXLPR)

491 484 Wasn't the most likely thing in Berger sock was proof that Clinton screwed the pooch on Al Qaeda? Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:29 AM (LSDdO) *********** So missed 9/11? Hmmmm..... Shoot I guess I thought it was something about that crappy Rosewater law firm--but looking back on it----your theory might be right. Off to go check the timing on that.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:31 PM (RJMhd)

492 Really? We're going to give Camille Paglia crap for agreeing with us on just about everything she says, but having voted wrong?

Paglia is precisely the kind of leftist I wish dominated the ideology. She's unafraid to hear a differing idea, disgusted at the prospect of silencing opposition, and rejects the mental illness-borne progressive fantasies that have nothing to do with reality.

Would that she were the potential worst-case scenario instead of Hillary.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at December 30, 2013 08:31 PM (bOKSd)

493 Uhhhh Thank you Uhhhhhh Thank you very Uhhhhh

Thank you very m . *erk*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:32 PM (LSDdO)

494 Posted by: YourPoopyPants at December 31, 2013 01:31 AM (bOKSd)

Well YEAH.

It's where the rubber meets the road.

So what if you agree with me politically and then vote in a manner that shits all over what I believe?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:34 PM (LSDdO)

495 What if Jamie Gorelick wasn't put on the 9/11 panel ...

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:35 PM (4JkHl)

496 This is when they's mostly all go backs to their dens and eats and stuff.

mostly

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:35 PM (LSDdO)

497 What if Jamie Gorelick had not been put on the Fannie Mae board... 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:35 PM (f1IeF)

498 On July 19, 2004, it was revealed that the U.S. Justice Department was investigating Berger for unauthorized removal of classified documents in October 2003 from a National Archives reading room prior to testifying before the 9/11 Commission. The documents were five classified copies of a single report commissioned from Richard Clarke covering internal assessments of the Clinton Administration's handling of the unsuccessful 2000 millennium attack plots. An associate of Berger said Berger took one copy in September 2003 and four copies in October 2003.[17] Berger subsequently lied to investigators when questioned about the removal of the documents. Supposedly the Millennium attacks---but maybe to cover Richard Clarke's ass. Damn it was hoping it would finger Hillary--but then... yikes!!!

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:36 PM (RJMhd)

499 What if Caligula was a chick?

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at December 30, 2013 08:36 PM (FMbng)

500 491 484 Wasn't the most likely thing in Berger sock was proof that Clinton screwed the pooch on Al Qaeda? Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:29 AM (LSDdO) *********** So missed 9/11? Hmmmm..... Shoot I guess I thought it was something about that crappy Rosewater law firm--but looking back on it----your theory might be right. Off to go check the timing on that. Posted by: Karnaq at December 31, 2013 01:31 AM (RJMhd) Yeah, the 911 Commission was closing in on Bubba and his huge share of the blame. In fact, the Clinton gang made 911 a sure thing for the terrorists. The Sandy Berger incident alone is sure and certain proof the Republic is dead on its feet.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:36 PM (EWsrI)

501 What if Jamie Gorelick hadn't entered government at all?

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 08:37 PM (L7WG+)

502 What if the airlines hadn't fought against having reinforced cockpit doors because it would cost money?

Or kept security at a minimum due to costs?

Who could stop the TSA tomorrow if they said they wouldn't allow them in the terminal anymore?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:37 PM (LSDdO)

503 What if Jamie Gorelick's mom had kept her legs crossed?

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2013 08:37 PM (sdi6R)

504 491 484 Wasn't the most likely thing in Berger sock was proof that Clinton screwed the pooch on Al Qaeda?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:29 AM (LSDdO)

***********

So missed 9/11?

Hmmmm.....


Shoot I guess I thought it was something about that crappy Rosewater law firm--but looking back on it----your theory might be right.

Off to go check the timing on that. Posted by: Karnaq

Sandy Burglar was NSC - so its likely that is was international in nature.  I'll keep my suspicions privet - for 50yrs (it will give me incentive to see my late nineties.)

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:38 PM (4JkHl)

505 What if the 1908 Tunguska meteor had gone kerblewy over London?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:39 PM (EWsrI)

506 Alas Gorelick is merely a symptom.  Clinton remains the infecting vector that introduced the disease.  And it was American voters failing to recognize Clinton was a phage that lead to this...  If Bimbo-Gate and his draft dodging  had had some real traction there would probably not been people like Jamie in such positions of power.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:39 PM (f1IeF)

507 What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub? (Seriously, a great SNL sketch.)

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2013 08:40 PM (sdi6R)

508 Anna, you could always blame Perot - then this thread would see 1000 posts

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:40 PM (4JkHl)

509 and everybody pops back into their protective shell for a moment.

Ever watch fiddler crabs?

I had the opportunity to observe a large colony embedded into a back of a leg of a tidal estuary.

Tide comes in, they come out, tide goes out they go in.

Fascinating little f**kers.

Totally useless for anything except cleaning edible debris from sea water.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:41 PM (LSDdO)

510 The Great Spoiler Perot.  Yeah he Bull Moosed the Rs

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:41 PM (f1IeF)

511 What if that nine year old girl had bitten Mohammed's dick off?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:41 PM (EWsrI)

512 So what if Jamie Gorelick had never boarded that Genoese galley, and the Black Death remained a local epidemic in the Crimea?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:42 PM (xq1UY)

513 When he skated after lying under oath was when I knew that as a country of laws, we were screwed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:42 PM (LSDdO)

514 And what about that F**KING NAIL for that horseshoe?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:43 PM (LSDdO)

515 The Sandy Berger incident alone is sure and certain proof the Republic is dead on its feet. Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 01:36 AM (EWsrI) ***** Ya..how the hell they got away with that and everyone just shrugged--everyone should have realized the media was all in for the Democrats right then. One thing though--if it was only about 9/11 why the hell does Berger wait that long to steal it? --which goes to this-- Sandy Burglar was NSC - so its likely that is was international in nature. I'll keep my suspicions privet - for 50yrs (it will give me incentive to see my late nineties.) Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 01:38 AM (4JkHl)

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:43 PM (RJMhd)

516 I blame the Belgians ... The Belgians invented the saxophone ... Billy Bob played the saxophone ... Billy Bob appeared kewl ... people who like kewl voted for Billy Bob ... QED

Posted by: Adriane... at December 30, 2013 08:43 PM (m3Cp/)

517 What if Harold's brother wasn't a dick?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:43 PM (LSDdO)

518 What if Ace really is a female Gender Studies grad that has been running a ten year research project for the DNC using this site?

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 08:44 PM (Xx3xL)

519 You mean Ace isn't?  I'm shocked!  Just shocked I tell you!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:45 PM (f1IeF)

520 Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 01:44 AM (Xx3xL)

I've been wondering about that . . .

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:45 PM (LSDdO)

521 What if honey badgers did give a shit?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:46 PM (EWsrI)

522 We've been trolled by the Mast[er|ress].

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:46 PM (LSDdO)

523 What difference, at this point, does it make? Damn I hate Perot ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 08:46 PM (69fz+)

524 What if Ace really is a female Gender Studies grad ******** Na--no female could fake "podcast" voice like that. Plus...oh wait... No it still holds-- a chick would know chicks better--or something.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:46 PM (RJMhd)

525 Wait that didn't come out right.

Mastress? Nope don't think so

*hangs head walks away*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:46 PM (LSDdO)

526 Maybe Ace isn't cisgendered?

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 08:47 PM (Xx3xL)

527 It was Theodore Roosevelt's rage at Leopold's treatment of the Congolese that convinced him that the United States needed to become an international force for good. Look what the Belgians wrought. Well, that one Belgian, anyway.

Speaking of one Belgians, no what-if love for Charlemagne?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:47 PM (xq1UY)

528 The proper term is Mistress BC. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:47 PM (f1IeF)

529 What if break dancing hadn't been unfairly abandoned?  Would bustin' moves have ever been replaced as a the primary form of communication?

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 08:48 PM (9gNQd)

530 How the crap does that "cis" thing work again...

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:48 PM (RJMhd)

531 What if Ace really is a female Gender Studies grad

I don't think any of them study french to pick up chicks in Montreal, they just wear plaid.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 08:49 PM (4JkHl)

532 What if break dancing hadn't been unfairly abandoned? Would bustin' moves have ever been replaced as a the primary form of communication? Posted by: otho at December 31, 2013 01:48 AM (9gNQd) I probably wouldn't have made hammer pants as a junior high sewing project in the early 90s.

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 08:49 PM (L7WG+)

533 Like what if you know, we're all just dreaming man or holograms.

Or we're a science project of some vast intelligence, man.

And they're studying us and shit, man. *takes toke*

And, and we're like a science project for some kid in super school, or something, man.

*takes toke*

what was I saying?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:50 PM (LSDdO)

534 to pick up chicks in Montreal **** Is that the story? Hell I thought it was to better watch the pornos.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:50 PM (RJMhd)

535 @533 Damifino but it was in Belgian.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 08:51 PM (xq1UY)

536 *takes toke* what was I saying? Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 01:50 AM (LSDdO) ********* You were about to tell us that you are really-- CAC.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:51 PM (RJMhd)

537 I probably wouldn't have made hammer pants as a junior high sewing project in the early 90s. WOW! you wanted to be a carpenter too?

Posted by: Adriane is easily confused ... at December 30, 2013 08:51 PM (m3Cp/)

538 cis-lunar space is a term I will use.  Other uses in non technical or scientific areas will refuse to even acknowledge.

Bitter Clinger, just never look up pony girls.  Trust me.  You will be wise not to.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:52 PM (f1IeF)

539 What if during his term in prison Hitler had met Morgan Freeman?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2013 08:52 PM (EWsrI)

540 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 31, 2013 01:47 AM (xq1UY)

Fuck him. His son divided Europe and look where that got us.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:53 PM (LSDdO)

541 I probably wouldn't have made hammer pants as a junior high sewing project in the early 90s.

 

Posted by: Vendette at December 31, 2013 01:49 AM

 

 

As tempted as I am to retort... I can't touch this.

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2013 08:54 PM (9gNQd)

542 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 01:52 AM (f1IeF)

OHHHH no you don't.

That won't work on ME.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:55 PM (LSDdO)

543 What if Morgan Freeman died and Mandela lived?

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 08:55 PM (69fz+)

544 As tempted as I am to retort... I can't touch this. Posted by: otho at December 31, 2013 01:54 AM (9gNQd) *Golf clap*

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 08:55 PM (L7WG+)

545   I've been fortunate enough to spend a few of the hours of my life talking engineering with some of the people who designed and built Apollo-Saturn.  You could never manage to come up with a completely consistent cover story, to include unpredictable technical fuck-ups, to that level of immensely in depth detail. Sorry. It happened. Just as the history books relate it. 
Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 12:50 AM (gqT4g)


I was fascinated to watch a video arguing for the truth of the Apollo flights based purely on the video footage created - it was technically impossible to fake the volume of video livestreams with the technology of the time. 

Dug up the link: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGXTF6bs1IU

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 30, 2013 08:56 PM (ioT3q)

546 Scheis. Vas ist der schvartze bin heir?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:56 PM (LSDdO)

547 What if Buffy the Vampire Slayer actually killed Jack the Ripper?

Posted by: Adriane is easily confused ... at December 30, 2013 08:56 PM (m3Cp/)

548 Still in Cambodia The people are very upset that the last election was stolen by the communists One million people protested in Phnom Penh yesterday One million people who are marching to get out from under communism and control by Vietnam and China. Anybody hear about that back home?

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 08:57 PM (u/7CQ)

549 Just realised my Hash can be read as File F.

Well otho way to go.  Just don't go bankrupt like he did.

Bitter Clinger rushes in where angels fear to tread... 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 08:57 PM (f1IeF)

550 What if Ace really is a female Gender Studies grad ****** Plus--if this was really true Ace would be all moody and shit and would post stuff but then argue differently in the comments and be all unpredictable and stuff...

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 08:57 PM (RJMhd)

551 What if Scully and Mulder found the truth?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 08:58 PM (LSDdO)

552 torquewrench at December 31, 2013 12:50 AM (gqT4g) Nah! That's what they want you to think!!!!

Posted by: Bart Sibrel at December 30, 2013 08:59 PM (m3Cp/)

553 I really should have read the thread before posting. WWI military history is much more interesting. Oddly there was an article in the Telegraph just today that posited that if Hitler had not been such an anti-semite the German Jewish physicists might have built him a bomb if they could collect enough uranium somewhere.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 30, 2013 08:59 PM (/M5+2)

554 wow thunderb, I thought that was schtick at first - I'm gonna say hell no ...

Posted by: Joe who is a beer snob at December 30, 2013 09:01 PM (69fz+)

555 Fi more Apollo stuff including the Hasselblad film magazines on the missions.  Good photos, bad photos, the works.

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:01 PM (f1IeF)

556 There always seems to be a balance at some point during climactic events.

I'm waiting for ours to show up.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 09:01 PM (LSDdO)

557 Anybody hear about that back home? Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 01:57 AM (u/7CQ) Who cares?!? Mitt Rommney has a black grandbaby!!!!!

Posted by: MSNBC at December 30, 2013 09:02 PM (m3Cp/)

558 530 How the crap does that "cis" thing work again...

You got me but all the kids on reddit are into it these days.  Something about bored liberal arts majors making up newspeak.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cisgendered

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 09:02 PM (AzO5R)

559 Not kidding One million protesting in Phnom Penh yesterday One million

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:02 PM (u/7CQ)

560 Actually, the best "what-ifs" are stories about the biggest bang for the smallest buck, as in "The Butterfly Effect." So all the "people not born" or "ships not sunk" stories -- though they are fine for alternate histories -- really aren't great for "what-if" stories. Take, for example, the Automedon incident above -- the ship was seriously munched before it was captured....what fraction of second difference in firing would have made a shell put a direct hit on the pouch? What single grain of gunpowder more-or-less? What munitions loader back in Germany said, "that's enough" instead of topping things off, because she wanted an early lunch?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 09:03 PM (T1005)

561 548 Still in Cambodia The people are very upset that the last election was stolen by the communists One million people protested in Phnom Penh yesterday One million people who are marching to get out from under communism and control by Vietnam and China. Anybody hear about that back home? Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 01:57 AM (u/7CQ) ******** Wait..you are in Cambodia? Hell no haven't heard of that--plus have contacts in China who have not reported anything like that--as if their media would report that...

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 09:04 PM (RJMhd)

562 Liberals/Commies

They always screw around with the language.

Like scam artists and con men, it's the glib patter and strange words that gives them away to the observant.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 09:04 PM (LSDdO)

563 Uh-oh. Somebody's getting their historicity from Pippin again.

I'll have you know, if [a quarter of] Europe hadn't been divided, there'd have been no Lotharingia to flee to, and my wife's ancestors would have been slaughtered by the savage Switzers.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 09:04 PM (xq1UY)

564 What if HP Lovecraft really could open an interdimensional portal ?

Posted by: Pulp Fiction... at December 30, 2013 09:05 PM (m3Cp/)

565 If SS Automedon had not started radioing it was being attacked, Atlantis would not have fired.  And the crew tasked with tossing the classified stuff overboard would have been alive.

So yes that one ship truly helped Japan decide to go for broke.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:05 PM (f1IeF)

566 thunderb Fox News--website reports this: PHNOM PENH, CAMBODIA – Demonstrators in Cambodia have begun a third week of protests demanding new elections, their numbers buoyed by thousands of factory workers seeking higher wages. Sam Rainsy, leader of the opposition Cambodia National Rescue Party, led a march of tens of thousands of people through the capital of Phnom Penh on Sunday in the group's latest and largest daily protest. Prime Minister Hun Sen won elections in July that extended his 28-year rule, but his opponents accuse him of rigging the vote. The protests expanded this past week when workers from garment factories, a linchpin of the country's economy, joined the anti-government demonstrators, adding their own demand for a higher minimum wage. Off to check something else out that mentions a stampede.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 09:07 PM (RJMhd)

567 They are the biggest protests since they got rid of Pol Pot

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:08 PM (u/7CQ)

568 Jihad Watch has a recent post about an Islamic school in Maine advertising how to establish the caliphate in the US. Treason is the only crime actually mentioned in the US Const for a very good reason. Oh well... It was a good run by most standards. Nite all. @548. Does not fit The Narrative. Going to have to relive all the lessons of history in painful fashion it seems.

Posted by: Beagle at December 30, 2013 09:08 PM (sOtz/)

569 Anna, damn sharp gunnery by the Atlantis guys.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 09:08 PM (4JkHl)

570 Cambodia? Charles Gibson...

I read the Wall Street Journal, so I'm acutely aware of the widespread strikes in the garment industry. May affect the Spring line!

You should have seen how rocked they were by the sweatshops falling in, in Bangladesh. Crying their eyes out, they were. About ruined Lands' End.  

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 30, 2013 09:09 PM (xq1UY)

571 Local papers report a million. Photos sure look like it.

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:09 PM (u/7CQ)

572 Does it appear to anyone else that the rest of the world is at least trying to embrace democracy and acquire some freedom while the west has decided to wrap chains around itself and go swimming?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 09:09 PM (LSDdO)

573 Did they bring hoes?

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 09:10 PM (4JkHl)

574 Gene Cernan, Apollo 17, in the CM.  Looks like he is down in the equipment bay where they shoot stars to check their navigation.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-163-24137.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:11 PM (f1IeF)

575 Okay-- State Department has this security message--but it is actually in a stupid location at their website--surprise surprise . Security Message for U.S. Citizens: On-going Demonstrations in Phnom Penh Released on December 27, 2013 This security message is being issued to alert U.S. citizens residing in or traveling to Cambodia to ongoing political protests and demonstrations in the country. Daily protests organized by the political opposition continue in Phnom Penh at Freedom Park (Streets 106/108 between 51 and 63), with marches through the central part of the city often disrupting traffic on major north-south and east-west streets. The opposition has called for large-scale participation in these events on Sundays for at least the next several weeks. Other political protests have also occurred for the past several days at City Hall, located on Monivong Boulevard near the Raffles Hotel, and separate marches by protesting factory workers have been reported in front of the airport and on other roads leading into Phnom Penh. Additionally, large protests have occurred sporadically in other sections of the country, including the tourist center of Siem Reap. During demonstrations and marches, severe restrictions may be imposed on movements into and around Phnom Penh. Although recent political gatherings in Cambodia have been largely nonviolent, even demonstrations or events intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence without warning. The U.S. Embassy encourages you to avoid large crowds and immediately leave any area where crowds are gathering. You should remain alert to local security developments by monitoring local news reports, be vigilant regarding your personal security and preparedness, be aware of your surroundings, and plan your activities accordingly. We strongly recommend that U.S. citizens traveling to or residing in Cambodia enroll in the Department of State’s Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP). STEP enrollment gives you the latest security updates, and makes it easier for the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to contact you in an emergency. If you don’t have internet access, enroll directly with the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 09:11 PM (RJMhd)

576 The only image of our fearless leader I know of is from FOX and is so old that Charles Johnson still was still not a dick.  Wait I take that back Charles Johnson was always a dick but he used to be a conservative dick for a couple weeks back in 2004.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCU9Hs5sEy0

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 09:12 PM (AzO5R)

577 They are very upset that they are controlled completely by Vietnam. PM was put in by Vietnam 18 years ago. All the best jobs go to Vietnam. Vietnam gets control of all the big business. Vietnamese are taking over and soon ethnic Cambodians will be in the minority. That is what they are protesting

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:12 PM (u/7CQ)

578 Oh wow, DSKY in operation.  Gene Cernan checking how to program it.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-163-24155.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:13 PM (f1IeF)

579 Oops. 28 years ago. We were staying at Raffles hotel. Yesterday was the biggest demonstration yet

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:15 PM (u/7CQ)

580 What if TR had shot that bear anyway?

Posted by: Daybrother at December 30, 2013 09:16 PM (YwUqF)

581 thunderb Here is a slide show that yahoo has but you have to be looking for it. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/protests-in-cambodia-slideshow/ It does look massive. Stay safe. Weird how it isn't getting much coverage but then I don't watch much news these days--too depressing.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 09:16 PM (RJMhd)

582 Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 02:12 AM (AzO5R)



That's not the only one, but he prefers a lower profile at present....so we just use Wicket. It's close enough.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 09:20 PM (T1005)

583 Be safe there ThunderB.

Karnak trust the State Dept to produce useless drivel.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:20 PM (f1IeF)

584 541 I probably wouldn't have made hammer pants as a junior high sewing project in the early 90s.

Posted by: Vendette at December 31, 2013 01:49 AM


As tempted as I am to retort... I can't touch this.

Posted by: otho at December 31, 2013 01:54 AM (9gNQd)



===

Well, allow me to retort.

Posted by: Jules Winnfield at December 30, 2013 09:20 PM (PlzOe)

585 Karnak trust the State Dept to produce useless drivel.

By the time they get an alert out, your line of retreat should already be well lit.

Posted by: Jean at December 30, 2013 09:22 PM (4JkHl)

586 Y'all are being tortuous.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 09:23 PM (LSDdO)

587 Ah Earth, we really need to get off this plodding mud ball.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-162-24070.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:26 PM (f1IeF)

588 583 Be safe there ThunderB. Karnak trust the State Dept to produce useless drivel. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 02:20 AM (f1IeF) 585 Karnak trust the State Dept to produce useless drivel. By the time they get an alert out, your line of retreat should already be well lit. Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 02:22 AM (4JkHl) ********* Yep.

Posted by: Karnaq at December 30, 2013 09:30 PM (RJMhd)

589 Best picture is at Al Jezeera.com. Also not kidding

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:33 PM (u/7CQ)

590 582 Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 02:12 AM (AzO5R)
That's not the only one, but he prefers a lower profile at present....so we just use Wicket. It's close enough.

:-) 

I've actually been reading this site and the old one for most of the ten years it's been up .  I think I first found it and LGF at the same time using links from Drinking At Home which has sadly been defunct for many years.  (I think I found Drinking At Home from Robert Spencer's site during my OMG we are all going to die any day phase when I worked for the Fed in DC).

All kidding aside this is without a doubt the best conservative site on the web.  Hotair lacks the humor and really the intelligent commentary.  LGF went full retard a long time ago.  Most of the other blogs just can't produce content day in and day out that rates up there with AoSHQ.  So thanks Ace for 10 years of hard work.


Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 09:35 PM (AzO5R)

591 And now a PRC rover is trundling across the Lunar surface...
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a17/AS17-134-20384.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 09:36 PM (f1IeF)

592 589 Best picture is at Al Jezeera.com. Also not kidding Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 02:33 AM (u/7CQ) ******** I believe it. Just checked CNN and BBC--nada. BBC has something about a python killing a security guard in Bali in their "Asia" section but nothing about these protests. CNN absolutely zero. unbelievable. Anyways. I'm off. Stay safe .

Posted by: tasker at December 30, 2013 09:39 PM (RJMhd)

593 They want the PM to step down and new elections. This isn't about minimum wage They aren't reporting what's happening

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 09:39 PM (u/7CQ)

594 Drudge says that pot prices are up in Colorado? 

So what is going on in Cambodia?

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 09:45 PM (AzO5R)

595 BBC has something about a python killing a security guard in Bali in their "Asia" section but nothing about these protests. BBC should have Sherlock Season 3 soon ... not that I'm a fan or anything ...

Posted by: Irene Adler at December 30, 2013 09:47 PM (m3Cp/)

596 593 They want the PM to step down and new elections. This isn't about minimum wage



They aren't reporting what's happening

Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 02:39 AM (u/7CQ)



We could all be happy working for our Communist/Islamist/Totalitarian/Utopian betters if everyone would just shut-up and grab their ankles like they're supposed to!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 09:50 PM (T1005)

597 Night all. Here is "If" by Pink Floyd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLSsnbd1jPs

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2013 09:51 PM (AymDN)

598 Heh. I'm getting spam emails for watches. Does anyone remember watches?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 09:52 PM (T1005)

599 Heh. I'm getting spam emails for watches. Does anyone remember watches? I saw a 7 day clock in Signals catalog ...

Posted by: Adriane... at December 30, 2013 09:54 PM (m3Cp/)

600 Dang it! An even 6!

Posted by: Adriane... at December 30, 2013 09:54 PM (m3Cp/)

601 Psst -- Cooth, it's "laughter" -- ixnay on the atchesway!

Posted by: Robert Plant at December 30, 2013 09:56 PM (T1005)

602 595  BBC should have Sherlock Season 3 soon ... not that I'm a fan or anything ...

Really I love that show and can't wait, Downton too.  If only PBS could make something worth watching it might be worth my tax dollars.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 09:58 PM (AzO5R)

603 So, where's Carol and how did her tomatoes turn out?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 09:59 PM (T1005)

604 Robert Plant at December 31, 2013 02:56 AM (T1005) You could Dream of Wires instead ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1GtT8lJmg

Posted by: Adriane... at December 30, 2013 10:01 PM (m3Cp/)

605 602 595
BBC should have Sherlock Season 3 soon ... not that I'm a fan or anything ...

Really I love that show and can't wait, Downton too. If only PBS could make something worth watching it might be worth my tax dollars.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 02:58 AM (AzO5R)



......and that, right there, is the problem. Tax dollars. Fuck 'em upside-down and sideways -- "cultural programming" ain't in Article One, Section 8 of the Constitution and needs to find some other teat to suck.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:01 PM (T1005)

606 With several hundred channels, there is no longer a need for PBS.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 10:05 PM (d0bTF)

607 I love that show and can't wait, Downton too. If only PBS could make something worth watching it might be worth my tax dollars. Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 02:58 AM (AzO5R) It's pledge season on all three channels in the DC area!

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 10:05 PM (L7WG+)

608 I'm catching up on previous threads because I was internet-less today, and I'd like to make the following prediction: The next host of Meet the Press will be Luke Russert.

Posted by: Vendette at December 30, 2013 10:15 PM (L7WG+)

609 608 I'm catching up on previous threads because I was internet-less today, and I'd like to make the following prediction: The next host of Meet the Press will be Luke Russert.

Posted by: Vendette at December 31, 2013 03:15 AM (L7WG+)



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Good prediction.  Nothing improves incompetence like nepotism.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 10:18 PM (PlzOe)

610 606 With several hundred channels, there is no longer a need for PBS.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 03:05 AM (d0bTF)



There never was. As Davy Crockett said during the debate about an award to Decatur's widow, Congress is not empowered to do that. The single greatest error in the Constitution is the failure to stipulate a penalty for Congress' violation of the restrictions therein, and if I were granted a "do-over", I'd be thinking hanging.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:19 PM (T1005)

611

2 or 3 clicks away from a post  on  Insty

 

http://tinyurl.com/2vxmaod


 

Posted by: PMRich at December 30, 2013 10:31 PM (KDUNf)

612 610 606
With several hundred channels, there is no longer a need for PBS.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 03:05 AM (d0bTF)


There never was. As Davy Crockett said during the debate about an award to Decatur's widow, Congress is not empowered to do that. The single greatest error in the Constitution is the failure to stipulate a penalty for Congress' violation of the restrictions therein, and if I were granted a "do-over", I'd be thinking hanging.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 03:19 AM (T1005)


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Hanging is too good for them.   The Code of Hammurabi answer would be slavery.  After all, that is essentially what they are doing to you every time they tax a part of your life away to pay for their popularity with someone else.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 10:38 PM (PlzOe)

613 Camille Paglia denounces lack of male figure and male role models in the family, yet she is a lesbian 'raising' a 11 year old with her female partner. I don't understand what is the purpose of elevating such hypocritical leftists as deep thinkers, maybe she does not see the logical disconnect in her own words.

Posted by: fromabroad at December 30, 2013 10:39 PM (rnV3B)

614 612 610
606

With several hundred channels, there is no longer a need for PBS.




Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 03:05 AM (d0bTF)


There
never was. As Davy Crockett said during the debate about an award to
Decatur's widow, Congress is not empowered to do that. The single
greatest error in the Constitution is the failure to stipulate a penalty
for Congress' violation of the restrictions therein, and if I were
granted a "do-over", I'd be thinking hanging.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 03:19 AM (T1005)

===Hanging is too good for them. The Code of Hammurabi answer would be slavery. After all, that is essentially what they are doing to you every time they tax a part of your life away to pay for their popularity with someone else.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 03:38 AM (PlzOe)



Wouldn't it be just delicious if every Supreme Court decision relating to a "Congress shall make no law...." clause [e.g. First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."] involved gallows? As in, "nope, that abridged the freedom of speech -- all you assholes that voted for it, queue up over there."



A couple of rounds of that, and we might even be governed as our Founding Fathers intended.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:47 PM (T1005)

615 I followed that Amazon link and an "assless chaps" search only found 41 results.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 30, 2013 10:51 PM (ShvtX)

616 Man ‘high on meth fights off 15 police officers while masturbating in public’

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 30, 2013 10:52 PM (ShvtX)

617 615 I followed that Amazon link and an "assless chaps" search only found 41 results.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 31, 2013 03:51 AM (ShvtX)


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isn't it true that non-assless chaps are sometimes called trousers, breeches, or pants?

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 10:53 PM (PlzOe)

618 *Rolls eyes*



How many times do we need to go over this? "Assed chaps" are "pants." "Assless chaps" is like saying "motorless trailers" -- if they had a motor, they'd be a truck.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:55 PM (T1005)

619 616 Man ‘high on meth fights off 15 police officers while masturbating in public’

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 31, 2013 03:52 AM (ShvtX)



It's old.



Unless you were there.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 10:56 PM (T1005)

620 -- all you assholes that voted for it, queue up over there."


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 03:47 AM (T1005)



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Whereupon they would be sold into slavery as a fitting punishment for their attempt to enslave us.  If the buyer wanted to hang them, so be it.  If the buyer had more despicable things in mind, that would be fine by me, too.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 10:59 PM (PlzOe)

621 616 Now THAT'S the kind of man we need to run for President!!!

Posted by: DAve at December 30, 2013 11:02 PM (b7yum)

622 Is there a video downloader for IE that works O.K? I tried about three of them and none of them are anything like Download Helper.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 30, 2013 11:03 PM (ShvtX)

623 Good news everyone, Kung Fury has been funded.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kungfury/kung-fury?ref=home_popular

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 11:05 PM (d0bTF)

624 CT, can we talk shop for a moment?  Are you up on 1250 loss rules?

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:09 PM (PlzOe)

625 Night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2013 11:09 PM (d0bTF)

626 620 -- all you assholes that voted for it, queue up over there."




Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 03:47 AM (T1005)


====Whereupon they would be sold into slavery as a fitting punishment for their attempt to enslave us. If the buyer wanted to hang them, so be it. If the buyer had more despicable things in mind, that would be fine by me, too.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 03:59 AM (PlzOe)



Despite it being a universal part of human culture around the world, I'd have to say that chattel slavery is probably inherently corrupting, and it would be a good thing if it were eradicated worldwide (which, note, it hasn't been). While it might be a fitting punishment, I can't see where the efforts of maintaining the logistics of the legal/operational support for it would be a good thing. Leaving violating legislators dangling around the periphery of the National Mall, by contrast, has a salutary effect on those in the Capitol and requires little maintenance.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:13 PM (T1005)

627 624 CT, can we talk shop for a moment? Are you up on 1250 loss rules?

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 04:09 AM (PlzOe)



I have been, and I don't think they've changed, but I haven't been focusing my Continuing Ed in tax for a few years. Whassup?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:15 PM (T1005)

628 Reuters and WSJ picked up Cambodia story, but only focusing on the garment factory workers. They strikes began without the unions. They are late to the party. The WSJ is focusing only on the unions demands for more wages. They are really upset that the Vietnamese own and run the factories, and the best jobs go to Vietnamese. Why won't they report this story

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 11:18 PM (u/7CQ)

629 What? You think News organizations are supposed to report the NEWS?

What a naif.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 11:23 PM (LSDdO)

630 Whassup?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:15 AM (T1005)



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HVAC unit replacement with salvage value = zero.  Unit was never separately accounted and has been part of a 39 yr SL of the entire building (commercial not residential) for 9 years.  The HVAC unit is a "structural component" based on IRS definitions.


Can one estimate the value of just the HVAC unit at the start of depreciation and figure the loss as the difference between the estimated value and the amount of accumulated depreciation (to be based on the estimated value over the period held calc'd by 39 SL)?

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:24 PM (PlzOe)

631 News organizations are there to promote and further the "AGENDA".

Sometimes that entails obfuscation of inconvenient truths and other such things that our betters don't wish us to become worried about.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 11:24 PM (LSDdO)

632 I don't think you can depreciate the HVAC.

Since it's not separate from the building. And in fact is necessary for the building to have value as an occupied space. Like the plumbing and the heating etc.

Now I think you can write off the cost of the replacement HVAC as a business expense.

But that's just a guess and with the IRS even the fully informed are not.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 11:28 PM (LSDdO)

633 Why won't they report this story

Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 04:18 AM (u/7CQ)


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because they get a paycheck and they don't believe in the accidental paycheck theory.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:29 PM (PlzOe)

634 632 I don't think you can depreciate the HVAC.

Since it's not separate from the building. And in fact is necessary for the building to have value as an occupied space. Like the plumbing and the heating etc.

Now I think you can write off the cost of the replacement HVAC as a business expense.

But that's just a guess and with the IRS even the fully informed are not.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:28 AM (LSDdO)


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trying to write it off as an expense is a great way to get your ass in a crack.  It is definitely a 39SL item, and so is the replacement.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:30 PM (PlzOe)

635 It's just a local news story.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 30, 2013 11:31 PM (LSDdO)

636 628 Reuters and WSJ picked up Cambodia story, but only focusing on the garment factory workers. They strikes began without the unions. They are late to the party. The WSJ is focusing only on the unions demands for more wages.



They are really upset that the Vietnamese own and run the factories, and the best jobs go to Vietnamese.



Why won't they report this story

Posted by: Thunderb at December 31, 2013 04:18 AM (u/7CQ)



There is an international cabal of Marxists -- heavily influenced by the Frankfurt School, but also encompassing Gramsci's "march through the institutions" [AKA, "take over the cheerleaders"], Critical Studies' "bitch about everything we don't run", Alinsky's "ruin everything we can't control", and Soros' "sell out to my profit just like I sold out fellow Jews to Nazis" -- who are all over the world hoping to loot everyone else. The oppressive Vietnam-supported regime are part of this group. The MSM is so thoroughly corrupted by this group that occasional breakouts of common sense are noteworthy.



Any questions?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:35 PM (T1005)

637 630 Whassup?


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:15 AM (T1005)


====HVAC unit replacement with salvage value = zero. Unit was never separately accounted and has been part of a 39 yr SL of the entire building (commercial not residential) for 9 years. The HVAC unit is a "structural component" based on IRS definitions.

Can one estimate the value of just the HVAC unit at the start of depreciation and figure the loss as the difference between the estimated value and the amount of accumulated depreciation (to be based on the estimated value over the period held calc'd by 39 SL)?

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 04:24 AM (PlzOe)



What result are you looking for? On first impression, you're going to do a "repair" on the thing and expense that 100% in the current year, while continuing to depreciate the aggregate. Is there a desired outcome that is different? Are there facts and circumstances that would make this complicated?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:39 PM (T1005)

638 Cambodia is the Poland of Asia.

Posted by: Thunderb at December 30, 2013 11:40 PM (u/7CQ)

639 607 It's pledge season on all three channels in the DC area!

Yeah but PBS doesn't make those shows.  BBC makes those shows.  :-)

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 11:42 PM (AzO5R)

640 Any questions?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:35 AM (T1005)



=====

Aaahhhh, you just believe that cuz it is exactly what they said they were gonna do the whole time.

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:42 PM (PlzOe)

641 Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:39 AM (T1005)



This, BTW, is the equivalent of the old joke's "what do you want it to be?"




I can tell the joke if you need a refresher.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:43 PM (T1005)

642 I am not having a good morning. I woke up too early & bring blanket into kitchen until the heat comes up. I found a lovely glass Christmas Blessings card last week upstairs. I broke the Christmas Blessings type card when I wound up cuckoo clock, spilled coffee all over myself, blanket, floor & table. The blanket & sweatshirt jacket I had on are in the dryer & I'm still sick.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 11:44 PM (z4WKX)

643 611 2 or 3 clicks away from a post on Insty

http://tinyurl.com/2vxmaod

Now that is something worth seeing.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 30, 2013 11:45 PM (AzO5R)

644 642 I am not having a good morning. I woke up too early & bring blanket into kitchen until the heat comes up. I found a lovely glass Christmas Blessings card last week upstairs.
I broke the Christmas Blessings type card when I wound up cuckoo clock, spilled coffee all over myself, blanket, floor & table.
The blanket & sweatshirt jacket I had on are in the dryer & I'm still sick.

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 04:44 AM (z4WKX)



Sorry to hear. Sounds like a mess. Did the tomatoes work for you?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:47 PM (T1005)

645 Are there facts and circumstances that would make this complicated?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:39 AM (T1005)


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just the way I read the regs.  Of course, I would prefer to expense it, but I am pretty sure that has been disallowed.  I think I have to comp a loss and place the loss on a 4797.


a summary is here:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ltg5m8f

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ltg5m8f

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:56 PM (PlzOe)

646 darn



http://preview.tinyurl.com/ltg5m8f

Posted by: jc at December 30, 2013 11:57 PM (PlzOe)

647 Cthulhu, I did not make tomatoes. I have them but know I'm the kind of sick that nothing tastes good. I am never going to buy anything from Eddie Bauer again. They used to be warm & I try to save $$ on oil heat here in MA. Men's are warmer & cheaper than women's & last mock neck with Sherpa lining I had, has another defective zipper. I planned to go to a party tonight but don't think I'm up for it.

Posted by: Carol at December 30, 2013 11:57 PM (z4WKX)

648 OK, jc -- I think I see where you are going (murkily) @630 -- and here's a little relevant blurb -- http://tinyurl.com/k8gw82u -- but I've got to let you in on something....nothing is certain, so you need to "cast" your facts into the treatment you want. Start with that and backtrack.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2013 11:59 PM (T1005)

649 Cthulhu, When do you sleep?

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 12:04 AM (z4WKX)

650 I have kept television off. AOS is my news source. The Weather a Channel predicts storm here with heavy snow Thursday tonFriday. I want steel door for hall leading to porch, dryer is in there & it's almost like being outside, minus wind in that hall. I am also waiting for contractor to seal new windows from outside. Drafts are better since I put up energy savings blackout panels in one room.

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 12:15 AM (z4WKX)

651 648 OK, jc -- I think I see where you are going (murkily) @630 -- and here's a little relevant blurb -- http://tinyurl.com/k8gw82u -- but I've got to let you in on something....nothing is certain, so you need to "cast" your facts into the treatment you want. Start with that and backtrack.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 04:59 AM (T1005)



OK, skimmed your link. *rolls eyes* 263A, again? I was on the front-lines of the original clusterfuck. After years -- and I mean YEARS -- of thrashing, the IRS said, "whatevs" and walked away....because the whole concept of changing capitalization to make the CBO score a bill better is nonsense.



So, here's the thing -- if you capitalize the new, you need to write-off the old; if you expense the new, you continue to depreciate the old. Start by looking at what you were doing -- if you replaced a $5000 half-depreciated fully-operational heating system with a $35,000 solar-powered intelligent individual-room-controlled comfort system, then why even try calling this a repair? If you swapped-out the cheapest thing you could for something that died, you're looking for cover to call this what it is.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:23 AM (T1005)

652 649 Cthulhu,
When do you sleep?

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (z4WKX)



I should be sleeping now. I (like many night-owls) have a pronounced skew toward "later". When I was in college, there was actually a period where I lived on 28-hour days where I slept 9 and did stuff for 19.....only problem is that there's only six in a week.



Getting older, you need less sleep, but it's going to be a pain in the tuchis to be up in six hours.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:29 AM (T1005)

653 568, There are terrorist training camps in Maine that Jihad Watch knows about? JW should fill a suit to have all closed & anyone affiliated with them on trial for treason.

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 12:33 AM (z4WKX)

654 Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 05:23 AM (T1005)


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thing is -- it ain't enough money for a headache.    Dollars wise the tax difference between the various approaches wouldn't be enough to pay the CPA to explain it.   The whole thing is just silly.


It has been a component of a larger 39SL for 9 years.  It had some book value and now it is gone with salvage =  zero.  Seems like a very definable loss.


The way I read it, there is no choice other than starting over with a new 39SL on the replacement unit.  Which of course is bullshit because the lifespan is like 15-20 years tops.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 12:34 AM (PlzOe)

655 Cthulhu , I remember as a teenager & early 20s going out every night & staying out very late & still getting jup to go to work. One night a week I would fall asleep & sleep for over 12 hours. I have pretty much decided to stay here & work from home later. I am waiting for blanket to dry.

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 12:39 AM (z4WKX)

656 654 Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 05:23 AM (T1005)


===

thing is -- it ain't enough money for a headache. Dollars wise the tax difference between the various approaches wouldn't be enough to pay the CPA to explain it. The whole thing is just silly.


It has been a component of a larger 39SL for 9 years. It had some book value and now it is gone with salvage = zero. Seems like a very definable loss.


The way I read it, there is no choice other than starting over with a new 39SL on the replacement unit. Which of course is bullshit because the lifespan is like 15-20 years tops.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 05:34 AM (PlzOe)



The original UNICAP fiasco had everyone throwing up their hands. Here's the thing -- is it an upgrade or a repair? Common sense, throw it down.



Now the IRS is going to be sniffing around and second-guessing a certain percentage of things, but they have to deal with reality -- and if things are on another foot, they'll be trying to prove you wrong with the payoff of the difference in tax. I'm gathering that the difference in tax is minimal. Don't overanalyze, don't over-prep. Call it like you see it, document it that way, and move on.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:41 AM (T1005)

657 Call it like you see it, document it that way, and move on.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 05:41 AM (T1005)


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gotcha.  thanks.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 12:46 AM (PlzOe)

658 657 Call it like you see it, document it that way, and move on.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 05:41 AM (T1005)

===gotcha. thanks.

Posted by: jc at December 31, 2013 05:46 AM (PlzOe)



If you're doing it for a client or employer, make sure to explain it in a way that can be retrieved. If you take an arguable tax position (side note -- see FIN 4 , civilians frequently freak-out at the first IRS communication. But if you have an email that says "facts are facts -- we had to repair this; if the IRS decides to portray it as an upgrade, our taxes could be off by $2000 but they'd be arguing that red was blue. Either way, we're better off not spending $3000 to find out." you should be golden.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 12:55 AM (T1005)

659 I am really, really close to zonking, but I want to tell a little story about "nexus".



The deal is, you don't have to deal with a state's bullshit unless they can get a mitt on ya. So a Texas company doesn't have to collect South Dakota sales tax unless they have an employee there, own real estate there, or have a license there.



So, one time, I was managing a corporation in Silicon Valley, and we had a trade show in Texas, and those lousy bastards tried to assess property taxes on our booth because it was there during the assessment date in Texas.



Each and every state wants to use everything in their power to put you under their regime. The laws of nexus are going to be at the SCOTUS from now 'til Doomsday.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 01:06 AM (T1005)

660 On the subject of PBS I totally agree that tax dollars are wasted there.  I was making sarcastic remark.  I can't think of a single show on PBS that is worth saving that wouldn't be picked up by the private sector.

Really the only things unique to PBS that might be worth saving are:

Mclaughlin Group
Frontline
The American Experience
Sesame Street
Masterpiece/Mystery
Old BBC Comedies (Keeping Up Appearances, Faulty Towers and etc)
Red Green

Starting from the bottom:
Red Green - This was something I liked a decade ago.  It's stupid but fun and I always liked it.  I don't know if there is a market for it on cable though it sure beats Swamp Pawn Shop or whatever.  Someone might pick it up but if they don't I wouldn't cry too much.  I haven't checked Netflix/Hulu/Amazon but that would be a good place for it to land since it's a dead show.

Old BBC Comedies - See Red Green

Masterpiece/Mystery - Well A&E seems to think they are all artsy.  They seem to prefer shows like Criminal Minds but maybe they'd actually like to play something that didn't involve the gory dismemberment of hookers. Now some people will point to Masterpiece/Mystery as a triumph of public broadcasting but I can match that with 2 great privately funded shows like The Wire or Breaking Bad.  The only unique feature of Masterpiece/Mystery is that it's uniquely British just like the aforementioned shows are uniquely American.

Sesame Street - There are a dozen networks that would pick this up.  The merchandizing is so big on Sesame Street that I can't imagine anyone passing it by; but if they did and if you've read Malcolm Gladwell's dissection of Sesame Street vs Blues Clues you know that the private sector surpassed the public in creating a show that actually teaches kids things.  I personally can't think of a single thing I ever learned as a child from the show.  Therefor: meh.

The American Experience: This can be one of the most unbiased shows on PBS.  Their Reagan Biography was fantastic.  I can't imagine the History Channel passing it up.

Frontline - There might be some bias in this one but overall I think it's a good show.  60 minutes has a bit of similar schtick though I think Frontline does a better job by focusing on a single topic.  Again I think it would be picked up but if it wasn't ... meh.  Like most of the world these days I get more out of doing my own research on the web.

They Mclaughlin Group - This one is a problem.  There is no news network out there that wouldn't fuck this up.  If Fox, CNN, or MSNBC picked it up they would tone down the bedlam because some viewers can't follow the 5 way free for all.  In fact they would turn it into The Five.  Now I like looking at Dana Pareno as much as the next guy but The Five is definitely sacharine compared to  The Mclaughlin Group.  I am pretty sure Elanor doesn't go to dinner with Pat after the show.

I think this show is like football for politics.  I feel rage when Elanor Clift speaks her addled hippie mind or tells everyone else to let her speak after she interrupts the guest conservative for the 13th time.  However, that  is counterbalanced the joy of seeing Morty (or much less often Clarence) occasionally team up with Pat for a beat down when she crosses into utter stupidity.





Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 01:09 AM (AzO5R)

661 Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 06:09 AM (AzO5R)



You don't have to -- here's the logical flaw: "if it's good for the country, it should be from the government".



Just chew on that for a bit. That's the underlying premise. "The land is fertile, it should be from the government"; "people are productive, it should be from the government", "there are valuable mineral deposits, it should be from the government." -- how stupid is that? But that's what they want you to buy into before you start talking specifics.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 01:16 AM (T1005)

662 Good morning, all. I'm looking forward to a beautiful day. How about you?

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 31, 2013 01:18 AM (4ri6+)

663 They Mclaughlin Group - ...
However most of the personalities on that show have 1 foot in the grave so I don't expect more than a few more years out of the show anyway.

Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 01:19 AM (AzO5R)

664 Just as a reminder, today is the first day of AoAHQ's 11th year.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 01:21 AM (T1005)

665 Er, or was that yesterday?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 01:21 AM (T1005)

666 Yay, AoS!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 01:22 AM (T1005)

667 Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2013 06:16 AM (T1005)

It's more than that.  Every liberal argument starts with a bunch of hidden assumptions. For instance: "Wouldn't it be great if everything was free".  Then when you talk about economics they say: "Let's set that aside for the moment."

So lately I just start off with "I deny the premise" and say what I think.  :-) 

Posted by: bestie21 at December 31, 2013 01:23 AM (AzO5R)

668

Hey Cooth  Happy New Year!!!

Nothin' like the old days of you and me and Jake all night but times change

Have a great one dude

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 01:24 AM (b7yum)

669 Good Morning, Shredded Chi. I am happy that you are looking forward to a beautiful day. I'm still sick & have been up since 3:40?. I'm not sure when I got up, but so far, I'm having lousy morning. I broke a glass Christmas Blessing plaque when I wound up Hummel cuckoo clock I bought for my late mother in 2003 for her 76th birthday. I spilled coffee all over my blanket, myself & white kitchen floor. I had plans to go to a party tonight but am not up to it. What are your plans?

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 01:30 AM (z4WKX)

670 Sorry about your broken plaque I was hoping you'd be feeling better by now. I'll be spending the day with the kids. I don't know or care what that entails - whatever they want. Games, certainly a walk to the park, probably baking cookies, maybe going to a movie? Was so damn excited when she said OK, I couldn't sleep. I've been up since 4:30.

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 31, 2013 01:43 AM (4ri6+)

671 Shredded Chi, I was hoping that you'd see kids, but did not want to ask if you weren't. Enjoy your day. Where do you live? It's not a day to walk outside unless you have fur coats & I do. I think those minks are rodents & told an older woman who told me a few weeks ago that they skin them alive. I don't believe her or care. Do they sedate turkeys, chickens, fish & cows before slaughtering? Have a great day! I have waited for blanket to be out of dryer & I'm going to take a nap.

Posted by: Carol at December 31, 2013 02:17 AM (z4WKX)

672 I'm basically in VA. Beach. Should hit 50 or so today, so not too bad. where are you? Maybe I'll have them make you some chicken soup & shove it through the USB port...

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 31, 2013 02:36 AM (4ri6+)

673 Not only did we spend billions to do donuts on the moon, we spent billions to draw a penis on Mars.

America.

Posted by: egd at December 31, 2013 02:46 AM (qt5xA)

674 I cannot cast a vote for a party that cast so many votes in the primaries for the vile Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum! The Democrats may be naive about institutions and economics, but the Republicans seem to be culturally and psychologically naive in imagining for a single second that Newt Gingrich is a deep and erudite thinker! This is the culture war. This is simply rationalization for not wanting to appear "uncool" (and of course wanting to be invited to the "right" parties). She votes democrat because that is the "cool" thing to do. This is because the left is winning/won the culture war. I know a lot of people who are fairly conservative and agree with the right on most issues, yet continue to vote for democrats and liberals. Their justifications are always similar to Paglia's - weird rationalizations that amount to nothing more than "the right is just so uncool". As if Paglia is a deeper thinker than Gingrich. Merely saying this demonstrates that she is not a deep thinker or even a thinker. Edwards was a presidential candidate and the party's VP candidate - he was a horrible person cheating on his dying wife. But, that gets a pass. Was Kerry a "deep thinker"? No - please. Biden? Sharpton? Sharpton was a DNC presidential candidate. He's a racist responsible for murders and lying to destroy good men's names. But, I guess that doesn't matter to Paglia. The DNC is just fine. I love how people like Paglia will judge the GOP by every single republican and/or conservative that ever utters a thought, but never does the same thing to the DNC. The DNC's crazies and criminals are given a free pass - the DNC as a whole is never tarred with such people. But one lone republican says or does something stupid and the entire GOP has to answer for it. And - this coming from a guy who doesn't like the GOP and wants conservatives to sit out the next election and let the GOP lose.

Posted by: monkeytoe at December 31, 2013 02:59 AM (sOx93)

675 I have been reading "The Spirit of Laws" by Charles de Montesquieu. In regards to Camille Paglia comments on how the republicans are provincial. This comment implies an imperial viewpoint by the chattering class. Getting back to "Laws", one of the characteristics he gives for the structure of countries is that monarchies tend to have a very important capital and that the border regions are of small importance. The King needs to keep the Barons on the border weak, so they do not take over, and he is the source of wealth so those that seek money come to the throne. A federation of republics, the Government the US used to have, tends to have a capital of small importance. Think about France, Germany, England, Paris, Berlin, London were all both the seats of Government and major cities. In the US, New York, Chicago, LA etc. were the centers of population and wealth and power and DC a backwater hick town. As the Government of the US has become more imperial, this has begun to shift, the new wealth and power is now in DC, Chicago and New York, LA have remnants of their old glory but are fading as all gravitates to the throne.

Posted by: Fredlike at December 31, 2013 05:54 AM (rF/yy)

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