April 30, 2012

Outstanding: Washington Post Declares That The Public Which Believes The Media is Biased Only Thinks That Because They Themselves Are Biased UPDATE
— Ace

Perfect!

We're not biased -- You are!

Here's the headline:

Public has its own biases about media

Chiefly, that the media is biased.

The guy's argument seems to be that the media, as a whole, has some conservative elements (Fox News, etc.) which "balance" the rest of it so that, as a whole, it's not liberally biased.

There are several problems with this. First of all, FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh cannot possibly balance ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, The NYT, the LAT, the Washington Post, and all of the big newspaper conglomerates.

Further, even if it were the case that a few conservative elements of the media balanced, as a whole, the liberal parts of the media, the liberal parts of the media would themselves still be liberal.

Let's say that FoxNews can balance one major news organization's leftwing tilt -- say, CBS'. Okay, fine. CBS tilts left and Fox tilts right and they cancel each other out.

But CBS is still liberal, isn't it?

The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking.

UPDATE[DiT]: He's also bad at crawfishing. Today the headline reads "How Biased Are the Media Really?"

Posted by: Ace at 01:23 PM | Comments (205)
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1 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 01:25 PM (7W3wI)

2 The rest of you guys are nuts!

Posted by: guy dressed as napoleon at April 30, 2012 01:25 PM (nU/dt)

3 I guarantee you, 100%, that I am going to pick the ball labeled "steal." And then I will split the profits with you.

Posted by: jakeman at April 30, 2012 01:26 PM (96M6e)

4 This cooresponds nicely with the Bryant Gumble story in the sidebar.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2012 01:27 PM (jUZRg)

5 Even Fox, Limbaugh, National Review et al. are insanely left-wing. They can't balance out anything.

Posted by: DenverGregg at April 30, 2012 01:28 PM (5tPx9)

6

I know you are, but what am I? (Infinity plus one!)

Yeah, FoxNews is successful because they found a "niche market" (half the country).

Also, you're a doody-head. So there.

 

Posted by: -Shawn- at April 30, 2012 01:28 PM (CmUWY)

7 I'll paraphrase a line from Patton:

I know I'm biased.  Hell, I will admit it.  What I can't stand about the press is that they won't.

Posted by: Alex at April 30, 2012 01:29 PM (zSobX)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 01:29 PM (8y9MW)

9 Okay, shameless blog-pimping time: I've got a couple of posts up today.  Also, I think my "Brave Brave Brave Sir Issa" post deserves a spot in the sidebar.

But maybe that's just me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 01:31 PM (8y9MW)

10 4 Gumball is such a douche.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 01:31 PM (7W3wI)

11 It's not us, it's you.

Posted by: george costanza at April 30, 2012 01:31 PM (ULGz+)

12 "Everyone's out of step except my son"


Posted by: JEM at April 30, 2012 01:32 PM (o+SC1)

13

Freakonmics did a podcast a while back, where they determined the media was left tilted, not as much as say Barney Frank was left tilted, but left tilted none the less.  The guy who did the study determined that most americans are right tilted, until said media intervention.  And without said media intervention, the entire US would "look more like Texas." than California.

 

I hated the media even more when I heard that.  Bastards destroyed our chances at awesome!

Posted by: tsrblke at April 30, 2012 01:32 PM (22rSN)

14 We're not biased -- You are!

I'm telling Mom!

Posted by: WaPo at April 30, 2012 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

15

I can accept that they are biased.

 

What I cannot accept is their Hypocrisy about it. 

Oh no, I cannot be biased.  I am a professional journalist.  Ask any of my friends, they will tell you I am not biased.  I am just like them.  We all think the same. 

Posted by: rd at April 30, 2012 01:33 PM (9sUlj)

16 Yeah Fox is soooo fucking conservative with Shemp, Jerry Rivers, Chris Wallace, Shakedown Jackson's legitimate daughter and whoever else that skidmark Ailes has dragged in from the lib gutter to keep those party invitations coming.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 01:34 PM (g8py2)

17

I keep trying to point out to friends.  Hey remember that story they did on ____?  We  were there.  Remember all the things they got wrong on that story?

 

Now why should I believe they are any better on the other stories they did?

 

Posted by: rd at April 30, 2012 01:37 PM (9sUlj)

18

Hmmm.

 

The I Know You Are But What Am I gambit.

 

Solid, classical technique.  I haven't seen this one played since yesterday. By one of my 5 year old girls, The Barnacle.

 

Bold choice.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2012 01:37 PM (5fHf3)

19 I just love the Washington Post.  And brownies.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at April 30, 2012 01:37 PM (QKKT0)

20 This guy also sucks cock

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 30, 2012 01:37 PM (KxTjE)

21 The bias would be less harmful if they would stop lying about it. But I only think they lie because they are dishonest people.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 01:38 PM (bxiXv)

22 Remember, it's not bias.  It's Utter Total Truth and it is their solemn duty to edumacate the slopeheads. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (Gk3SS)

23 LOL @ Bryant Gumble.  How fucking dumb do you have to be to lose your job on the NFL network because you can't figure out that punting the ball is *not* the same as turning it over on downs.  And to think that I used to believe that Greg was the family dumbass...

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (g8py2)

24 Paul Ryan is sexy. http://nakeddc.com/ and Newt Gingrich, ...the only candidate to truly, deeply and completely resemble a Lego person. love emily

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (HOOye)

25 Traitors to the Fourth Estate, the lot of them.  May there be Karma, Big Time.

Posted by: eureka! at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (81yf8)

26 Tu Quoque - it's not just some dead French dude

Posted by: chemjeff at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (xEylV)

27 The first rule of Agenda-Driven Journalism is, don't talk about Agenda-Driven Journalism.

Posted by: William Randolph Hearst at April 30, 2012 01:39 PM (QKKT0)

28 CBS tilts left and Fox tilts right and they cancel each other out.


He always fell for the "Let's see who can hit the softest, you go first."

Posted by: Beto at April 30, 2012 01:40 PM (lpWVn)

29 I don't think they are biased per se, I think they are idiots.

Posted by: "Mexican Irish Botswanan Egyptian Asian Russian" dogfish at April 30, 2012 01:40 PM (N2yhW)

30 It's not bias it's propaganda.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 30, 2012 01:41 PM (KxTjE)

31 This makes the Left's increasingly unsubtle attempts to change the electorate via specific immigration/amnesty that much more glaring.

Posted by: BuddyPC at April 30, 2012 01:41 PM (KCuY9)

32 22 The bias would be less harmful if they would stop lying about it.

But I only think they lie because they are dishonest people.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 06:38 PM (bxiXv)


If they didn't lie about it , it wouldn't have the intended effect. It's a propaganda monster.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 30, 2012 01:42 PM (AWmfW)

33 "The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking." hahahah...Good one, the guy tries to think something simple through and he flops.

Posted by: mare at April 30, 2012 01:42 PM (A98Xu)

34

And trying to hold FOX up as the 'Conservative Counterweight' to the entire rest of the press???

 

1. Fox aint big enough...

 

2.  /looks at Fox... conservative?  only by New York Standards.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2012 01:42 PM (lZBBB)

35

Ace: ... "There are several problems with this. First of all, FoxNews and Rush Limbaugh cannot possibly balance ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, The NYT, the LAT, the Washington Post, and all of the big newspaper conglomerates."

 

Exactly, Ace. And...all the thousands of local News people, who...even in red states...are diehard liberals, and put their own 'spin' on all the stories.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 01:43 PM (cB+Hn)

36 I always envisioned Andrew starting a network beside Fox. Breitbart News. *sigh

Posted by: still wearing black at April 30, 2012 01:44 PM (HOOye)

37 I really, really need to drink more. 

Also, I just caught SCOAMF on Fox bragging about killing bin Laden....with his teeth and a pocket knife....while Biden flew the chopper Barry fast-roped down.

The ad with Bubba Clinton praising Barry for his "gutsy call" when Bubba could have offed the fucker before 9/11 just.....makes me want to drink myself into absolute oblivion. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 01:44 PM (UOM48)

38 This, and vote fraud, which is connected to this (because of the relative lack of reporting). If we can keep them both on the table, we can start to turn the conversation around to the facts and the consequences of policies, instead of always what *they* want to talk about. Despite the fact that we go after stuff they want to keep hidden as much as we can, a *lot* of what we talk about is what *they're* talking about. My fluffy-bunny-slippers Mom wants to execute vote fraudsters. Which may help some people understand me.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 01:44 PM (bxiXv)

39 I know you are, but what about me. The balls on these guys!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 30, 2012 01:44 PM (ndlFj)

40 I'll do it with you, Jane.

Posted by: mare at April 30, 2012 01:45 PM (A98Xu)

41 Before arrival of White Eyes, media completely unbiased and man lived in perfect harmony with the God of the Winds and the Moon.

Posted by: Elizabeth "Three Wolf Moon" Warren at April 30, 2012 01:45 PM (QKKT0)

42

I loathe journalists. All of them.

 

Whether they cover the news in general, sports, weather, whatever, they all suck.

 

It's always about the human interest aspect. It's always about feelings.

 

Fucking nancy-ass tools.

Posted by: ErikW at April 30, 2012 01:45 PM (Q8B8p)

43 I tutored math/stats for extra cash in college.  He is not alone. 

Posted by: "Mexican Irish Botswanan Egyptian Asian Russian" dogfish at April 30, 2012 01:45 PM (N2yhW)

44 The public can't ever be "right" or "left." The center is always where the meaty part of the public lies. Where your position relative to that is, determines your bent, specifically.

Posted by: BuddyPC at April 30, 2012 01:46 PM (KCuY9)

45 31 I don't think they are biased per se, I think they are idiots.

Posted by: "Mexican Irish Botswanan Egyptian Asian Russian" dogfish at April 30, 2012 06:40 PM (N2yhW)


The zimmerman campaign isn't bias , it's media warfare.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 30, 2012 01:46 PM (AWmfW)

46 Yeah right. I thought there was an embargo on this kind of crazy talk. Anyone suggesting media bias is clearly an extremist tea bagger redneck racist. It is beneath wapo dignity to even mention so-called claims.

Posted by: Nutmeg Moron at April 30, 2012 01:46 PM (Vg4Vv)

47 2. /looks at Fox... conservative? only by New York Standards.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2012 06:42 PM (lZBBB)



Strangely enough, the two Repub presidents that have made the left the most deranged, Nixon and GWB, were both as lib as you can get this side of Nelson Cockmuncher Rockefeller.  You'd think some of the genius party members might get a fucking clue about this when they're rejecting every fucking conservative as unacceptable to the undecideds.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 01:46 PM (g8py2)

48 Which came first? Media bias, or public perception of media bias? I doubt we'll ever know the answer to that.

Posted by: Paul Farhi, WaPo Smart Guy at April 30, 2012 01:47 PM (ShuAW)

49 OK, so I fucked a half dozen fat girls.  My buddy once screwed a thin girl though, so it turns out that as a whole, we only bang chicks of average weight.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2012 01:48 PM (SY2Kh)

50 Our fishwrap carries "Doonesbury" on its editorial pages....which is perfect, since that ignorant douchebag Garry Trudeau labeled viewers of Fox News as "less intelligent" than the rest of the masses in one of his "cartoons."  My husband commented the other day that it's funny how Trudeau can't find anything evenly remotely humorous about SCOAMF, yet he created tons of made-up shit about W.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 01:48 PM (UOM48)

51 At first I read it as the "the media are bisexual".

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 01:48 PM (7W3wI)

52
Strangely enough, the two Repub presidents that have made the left the most deranged, Nixon and GWB, were both as lib as you can get this side of Nelson Cockmuncher Rockefeller. You'd think some of the genius party members might get a fucking clue about this when they're rejecting every fucking conservative as unacceptable to the undecideds.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 06:46 PM (g8py2)


They get their spoils , why should they care?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 30, 2012 01:48 PM (AWmfW)

53

36 And trying to hold FOX up as the 'Conservative Counterweight' to the entire rest of the press???
 
1. Fox aint big enough...

2. /looks at Fox... conservative? only by New York Standards.
 
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2012 06:42 PM (lZBBB)

------
 

Yeah...just because Fox is not "all liberal, all the time", and tries to put forth both sides...it gets labeled as "Conservative".  Which it is only half the time.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 01:49 PM (cB+Hn)

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2012 01:50 PM (SY2Kh)

55 Did he say bias or coons?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 30, 2012 01:51 PM (AWmfW)

56

The saddest thing is that they REALLY DON'T SEE their bias.

 

They mean well, and that counts for extra credit.

 

Most of them aren't capable of analytical thinking - if they were, they'd be in the hard sciences instead of the major that all of the students who can't hack it in poly-sci change to.....

 

There are exceptions, obviously.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 30, 2012 01:51 PM (0xqzf)

57 The ad with Bubba Clinton praising Barry for his "gutsy call" when Bubba could have offed the fucker before 9/11 just.....makes me want to drink myself into absolute oblivion.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 06:44 PM (UOM4



Every now and then a few morons say something nice about that POS predator because they expect him to give Toonces a full Juanita Broaddrick and it never fucking happens.  Just because he fixates on cooter doesn't mean he's one of us.  He's just as much anti-American human garbage as the JEF; and 9/11 wouldn't have happened without him putting that whore Gorelick in place to keep the FBI from talking to the CIA.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 01:53 PM (g8py2)

58 43 Before arrival of White Eyes, media completely unbiased and man lived in perfect harmony with the God of the Winds and the Moon.

Posted by: Elizabeth "Three Wolf Moon" Warren at April 30, 2012 06:45 PM (QKKT0)


That's Round Eye, faker.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at April 30, 2012 01:53 PM (Aaxiu)

59 They mean well, and that counts for extra credit.

They don't mean well.  They mean ill, and that counts for aggravating circumstances.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 01:53 PM (X3lox)

60

As long as they keep us all hyp-no-tized with the inane minutiae of the common day....

Look! Squirrel!

 

How about those Kardashians!

 

George Clooney? Handsome or smart?  Maybe both?

 

It's been going on as far back as I can remember as a child  (the 60's!), to some degree.  I don't know if the News People are getting dumber or I am just wise to their shennanigans at my present age, but  frankly, so what?

 

They always try to baffle people with bullshit.  Because that's what they are. Total bullshitters.  They are not really good at anything in particular and can't get an honest job making cars or building houses or being a skilled tradesman or even some kind of professional, even in the fuzzy sciences.  They are just not very smart. 

 

 I still remember that paragon of news genius Bob Simon of CBS getting captured by the Iraqis before the Gulf War in 1991 because they were so bold and couldn't read a map.  It wasn't so bad that he got caught (being a Jew and all), but he endangered the lives of his team with him.  He should have been fired, what a dolt he was.

 

Scott Pelley.  Dolt.

Dan Rather, anchor of CBS for years. Lying dolt.

 

Because they are just bullshitters, in love with the sound of their own voices, or entranced by their own written words. Whether it's that old harpy Eleanor Clift, or King George Will, or Dr. Wheelchair Krauthammer, or the local blithering idiots writing for your hometown rag on the "Where It's Happy and Chatty" news program.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at April 30, 2012 01:54 PM (RFeQD)

61 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 06:44 PM (UOM4

Every now and then a few morons say something nice about that POS predator because they expect him to give Toonces a full Juanita Broaddrick and it never fucking happens. Just because he fixates on cooter doesn't mean he's one of us. He's just as much anti-American human garbage as the JEF; and 9/11 wouldn't have happened without him putting that whore Gorelick in place to keep the FBI from talking to the CIA.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 30, 2012 06:53 PM (g8py2)




You, sir, are a poet and one of the reasons I love this place. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 01:54 PM (UOM48)

62 It's not us, it's you.


No, really!

Posted by: Your Totally Unbiased Media. Totally unbiased. at April 30, 2012 01:55 PM (SqDQQ)

63 I'm bias toward fat, sweaty blonde women who are strictly dickly. 

Honey, what's for dinner?

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2012 01:55 PM (KWdVT)

64 59
The saddest thing is that they REALLY DON'T SEE their bias.

They mean well, and that counts for extra credit.

Most of them aren't capable of analytical thinking - if they were, they'd be in the hard sciences instead of the major that all of the students who can't hack it in poly-sci change to.....

There are exceptions, obviously.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 30, 2012 06:51 PM (0xqzf)


Some of the perifiral liberal media types may relive the shit the push, but most of them lies intentionally  "for the greater good".

You can not say the the zimmerman campaign wasn't evil, intentional , manufactured.

The core of liberal media does this knowingly. Alinsky.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 30, 2012 01:55 PM (AWmfW)

65 These institutions are at war with merica, cause they hate you.

Posted by: joeindc44 says hide your dogs, SCOMDEF's in town at April 30, 2012 01:56 PM (QxSug)

66 He failed to understand the narrative is all. He's just not that bright.

It goes like this: There is a left-wing media and a right wing media which balance each other out. And then there is the "Objective" media which presents the unbiased truth.

It's not that difficult and it's part of the standard university propaganda. This guy is just a dope who couldn't rebuild his freshman political conditioning.

Posted by: runninrebel at April 30, 2012 01:56 PM (N/1Dm)

67 Jane, I'm so with you. I am so sick of the psychopath and all his lies.Anymore just seeing his picture makes me want to head for the liquor cabinet...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 30, 2012 01:56 PM (ZHge+)

68 EVERY PEER EFFING REVIEWED STUDY EVER DONE ON THIS ISSUE INDICATES A PERVASIVE LEFTWARD BIAS.

THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 30, 2012 01:56 PM (7utQ2)

69 63 They are like Ron Burgundy.Ferrel the lieft wing dolt got it exactly right.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 01:57 PM (7W3wI)

70 Have they read their headlines? One sentence. One.

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (HOOye)

71 As a "hole," the fuckwit is an ass. He lives inside the same bubble as the rest of them.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (ybkwK)

72 If we didn't lie, how would we balance out the awful, pernicious truth that Fox spews on occasion?

Posted by: NPR at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (FcR7P)

73 All your base belong to us

Posted by: WaPo at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (OKNQi)

74

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at April 30, 2012 06:54 PM (RFeQD)

 

 

Excellent rant.

Posted by: ErikW at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (Q8B8p)

75 What Jane said @ 64.

Posted by: sTevo at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (VMcEw)

76 The saddest thing is that they REALLY DON'T SEE their bias. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at April 30, 2012 06:51 PM (0xqzf) Obviously I'm not a mind reader, but I think it's more rationalization than ignorance. They say, "well, I'm not a Marxist, so I'm moderate. That means I'm in the middle not like those crazed Marsists and, of course, that craze Mitt Romney on the other end of the scale." Then they put on their Che t-shirt and ride their bike to work in traffic. Where they nod approvingly at Gumbo going on about how moderate Castro was. Now, when confronted on whether that's moderate or not, for them to say yes, it's almost exactly like someone rationalizing shoplifting because they're not stealing from "a person," but a "corporation." It's horse-puckey and they know it. That's just my estimation of them based on years of observation and my time in journalism classes when I thought I might be able to do something about that problem (which was obvious to me even then). It was made abundantly clear to me I wasn't welcome (and my priorities shifted anyway).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 01:58 PM (bxiXv)

77

They are just not very smart

 

And that, sir, is the crux  of the biscuit.

 

Really, how smart do you need to be to wallow in  your emotions and think you're so much better than everbody else.    Small children    do that instinctively.  And,  from the looks of the left, they never outgrow  it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 30, 2012 02:00 PM (d0Tfm)

78 We know we're telling the truth because we're part Indian!

Posted by: The Washington Post at April 30, 2012 02:00 PM (FcR7P)

79 70 Jane, I'm so with you. I am so sick of the psychopath and all his lies.Anymore just seeing his picture makes me want to head for the liquor cabinet...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 30, 2012 06:56 PM (ZHge+




I swear, if President Ladies Tee wins steals this next election, the only reason I'll not drink myself to death will be for my son and husband.  Having that bastard be our boy's CiC for four more years is more than I can bear.



Seriously.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 02:00 PM (UOM48)

80

Bias?  It's because you poor slobs can't handle the truth.

Posted by: Cherokee Nation at April 30, 2012 02:01 PM (+jVn/)

81 I swear, if President Ladies Tee wins steals this next election, the only reason I'll not drink myself to death will be for my son and husband. Having that bastard be our boy's CiC for four more years is more than I can bear.


Seriously.

  Ditto that...

Posted by: the pink cracker formerly known as the hobbit Donna at April 30, 2012 02:01 PM (ZHge+)

82 Oops.  Wrong sock.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:02 PM (+jVn/)

83 There is an extent to which the old rule about local stations / press slavishly following the New Duranty Times is still true. But they don't do so out of an objective slavish idiocy, it's because the "paper of record for Soviet apologists" suits their prejudices well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:03 PM (bxiXv)

84 84 I don't even have the kids to stay alive for.Shit.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:04 PM (7W3wI)

85 I'm sensing another increase in our chocolate ration!!

Posted by: jukin at April 30, 2012 02:04 PM (5oKRH)

86 Oh,we're averaging now are we?  Nobody mentioned ahead of time there would be math on this examination of bias in journalism.

Since we're averaging, lets see how well this practice works when applied to other things in the world which are not normally averaged:

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not obliterated by atomic bombs, but Nakatsu took a regular ol' shellackin'.

Hey! That works great!

Posted by: Kyle Kiernan at April 30, 2012 02:04 PM (/AEUY)

87 On the upside of life, I dodged another (heh) bullet today by avoiding Day Two of jury duty.

I'm the hoodie thugs' worst enemy.

I may still have to report by the end of the week.

Our son has been summoned twice and I had to get copies of his orders to get him off.  My husband?  In eleven years has been called....once.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 02:05 PM (UOM48)

88 Newsbusters is only the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:05 PM (bxiXv)

89

This is the  Duning-Kreuger  (sp?)   Effect writ large.  The folks in the media really can't see their inherent bias because  they're essentially nuts.

 

Is there a  clinical   name for somebody who can't understand logic. Besides Dimocrat, that is. And Progressive.  And Journolist.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 30, 2012 02:05 PM (d0Tfm)

90 Oh gawd, I hate bike-riding liberals.   "traffic rules OR pedestrian rules don't apply to ME, cuz I'm special, using human power to commute."  

Posted by: PaleRider at April 30, 2012 02:05 PM (dkExz)

91 >>87 84 I don't even have the kids to stay alive for.Shit. Think of all the lovely ladies who haven't had the pleasure of your manly company.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:06 PM (5H6zj)

92

73....Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 06:58 PM

 

-----

 

Heh. ....In sewing, when you cut a piece of fabric  "on the bias", it is more stretchy and flexible. ....But the piece is also more fragile, and unravels easily. 

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 02:06 PM (cB+Hn)

93 Obama was right. I'm bitterly clinging to my own opinions and conclusions.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at April 30, 2012 02:06 PM (X/+QT)

94 I'm on glass #2 of a nice Pinot Grigio so Sheppy Smith can go fuck.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 02:07 PM (UOM48)

95 How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx - R. Reagan

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 30, 2012 02:07 PM (OKNQi)

96 94 Heh,I'm fairly confident Obama will lose anyway.We're going into another recession,inflation is biting.He's demonstrably incompetent(at best).

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:07 PM (7W3wI)

97 Thank God for the intertubes.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:08 PM (+jVn/)

98 93 Oh gawd, I hate bike-riding liberals. "traffic rules OR pedestrian rules don't apply to ME, cuz I'm special, using human power to commute." Posted by: PaleRider at April 30, 2012 07:05 PM (dkExz) A Ford F150 side swipe usually ends that attitude

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 30, 2012 02:09 PM (OKNQi)

99 Geezus, what next? @solomonlawsc: FDA panel votes to eliminate Vicodin, Percocet http://t.co/0JFugoCq If you read the article, they're also fucking with OTC meds containing acetaminophen.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:10 PM (5H6zj)

100

It seemed to me there was a turning point when Reagan died.  Remember how throngs of people spontaneously lined the streets just to see his hearse? I think the outpouring took the MSM by surprise because they had had 10 years to bang on the "amiable dunce and/or bloodthirsty warmonger" theme.  

They hate it when something happens that proves them ineffecutal.  Ever since then it seems to me they've doubled down.   

Posted by: artemis at April 30, 2012 02:10 PM (2XMD1)

101 102 Why??

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:11 PM (7W3wI)

102 A Ford F150 side swipe usually ends that attitude

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 30, 2012 07:09 PM (OKNQi)

 

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Just a brushing clip from the right rearview mirror will do wonders  to a bike rider's road behaviour.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:11 PM (+jVn/)

103 @104 To protect us from ourselves. Acetaminophen is reportedly the leading cause of liver damage in the U.S.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:12 PM (5H6zj)

104 The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking.

He went to J-school, what do you expect?

Rush Limbaugh had it right: To the media, the customer is always wrong.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2012 02:13 PM (T0NGe)

105 Thank God for the intertubes.

God had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: ManBearPig at April 30, 2012 02:13 PM (QKKT0)

106 In my only journalism class the "journalist" could in 2006 say thy weren't biase while holding Democrat volunteer information and reading Daily Kos. And toward the end of the class the teacher admitted to once running for political office, he wouldn't say what party, haha like it was a secret.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 30, 2012 02:13 PM (KxTjE)

107 bike-riding liberals. "traffic rules OR pedestrian rules don't apply to ME, cuz I'm special, using human power to commute." Thank God for rain. "Honey, can you come get me?"

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2012 02:13 PM (FcR7P)

108 From the link: Government experts called for sweeping safety restrictions on the most widely used painkiller, including reducing the maximum dose of Tylenol and eliminating prescription drugs such as Vicodin and Percocet. The Food and Drug Administration assembled 37 experts to recommend ways to reduce deadly overdoses with acetaminophen, which is the leading cause of liver failure in the U.S. and sends 56,000 people to the emergency room annually. About 200 die each year. But over-the-counter cold medicines — such as Nyquil and Theraflu — that combine other drugs with acetaminophen can stay on the market, the panel said, rejecting a proposal to take them off store shelves. ...The experts narrowly ruled that prescription drugs that combine acetaminophen with other painkilling ingredients should be eliminated. They cited FDA data indicating that 60 percent of acetaminophen-related deaths are related to prescription products... “The panel recommending banning Vicodin and Percocet seems a little draconian,” said Les Funtleyder, an analyst for Miller Tabak & Co.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:14 PM (5H6zj)

109

Acetaminophen is reportedly the leading cause of liver damage in the U.S.

 

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:12 PM (5H6zj)

 

So it's not alcohol? Thank God.

Posted by: ErikW at April 30, 2012 02:14 PM (Q8B8p)

110 Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:10 PM (5H6zj) I don't even take them and that makes me stabby. Like people will take too many of a 400mg pill without being tested, but they won't take too many of a 200mg pill? More people than that die every year because hospitals and pharmacies just plain give them the wrong meds.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:14 PM (bxiXv)

111 What do you mean a car going the wrong way?! There's hundreds of them!

Posted by: Punchline at April 30, 2012 02:15 PM (NG097)

112  It seemed to me there was a turning point when Reagan died. Remember how throngs of people spontaneously lined the streets just to see his hearse? I think the outpouring took the MSMby surprise because they had had 10 years to bang on the "amiable dunce and/or bloodthirsty warmonger" theme.
They hate it when something happens that proves them ineffecutal. Ever since then it seems to me they've doubled down.

Posted by: artemis at April 30, 2012 07:10 PM (2XMD1)

 

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Very astute observation.  You may be right.  Nixon's funeral also took them by surprise,  I think.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:15 PM (+jVn/)

113 Speaking of Look! Squirrels! Terror alert on inbound US planes at bin laden's death "anniversary."

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 02:15 PM (HOOye)

114 113 Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:10 PM (5H6zj) I don't even take them and that makes me stabby. -- Me, too. Well, I do use Tylenol on occasion. I have to mix up the OTC pain meds I use (vary which ones I use) so that my body will still respond to them.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:16 PM (5H6zj)

115 >>>The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking.

He's not thinking ace, he's double-thinking, and yes, he's doing it right.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 30, 2012 02:16 PM (0q2P7)

116 and eliminating prescription drugs such as Vicodin and Percocet. So we won't even get the blue pill under OCare. Thanks SCoaMF.

Posted by: toby928 at April 30, 2012 02:16 PM (NG097)

117 Has anyone ever done anything resembling an unbiased history of the newspaper business in this country? I don't have anything more than a vague sense of what used to be, but I was under the impression there were countless dailies and in some cases, twice-dailies up and running, most major cities having more than one. The assumption is that you could find a paper that catered to YOUR biases, if that was your inclination. So what changed? How is it that essentially ALL major dailies (I'm sure there are some exceptions) are liberal? And in places where there still are two papers, are there still "conservative" dailies that compete for readership with the libs? If anyone has any suggestions regarding books written on the topic, I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 02:17 PM (Gc/Qi)

118 So I guess I will need another shelf designated for OTC pain meds to go with my light bulb supply. This Mormon storage room thing is coming in handy.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:18 PM (5H6zj)

119 Well, I do use Tylenol on occasion. I have to mix up the OTC pain meds I use (vary which ones I use) so that my body will still respond to them. Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:16 PM (5H6zj) I'm barred from all otc pain meds *except* tylenol, which I rarely use because it doesn't do much. Also might I add at this point that pharma companies are useless shits when it comes to properly listing ingredients and allergens. You would think they'd be the first on board, and you'd be *totally* wrong. I have had to delay *serious* prescription meds because the company doesn't know the freaking answers to basic questions.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:19 PM (bxiXv)

120 Just a little O/T:  Angelina Jolie has nice tits. 

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:19 PM (+jVn/)

121 120 Yes,the papers all had their own open bias.The media wasn't intendeded to unbiased,jusy honest about where their biases were.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:19 PM (7W3wI)

122 121 So I guess I will need another shelf designated for OTC pain meds to go with my light bulb supply. This Mormon storage room thing is coming in handy. Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:18 PM (5H6zj) Wait, you're supposed to store food & drugs? I was storing Mormons there, better go let them out...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 30, 2012 02:19 PM (OKNQi)

123

So, essentially, CBS is playing Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are but what am I?" game... maybe should we respond with the classic, "I'm rubber, you're glue; anything you say bounces off of me and sticks. to. YOU!"

 

LOL!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 30, 2012 02:20 PM (KL49F)

124 and eliminating prescription drugs such as Vicodin

Every kidney stone I have just screamed, "THE HELL YOU SAY!"

Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2012 02:21 PM (mjR67)

125 Nike shoes blames Adidas shoes over Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose injuries... hehe yea, Look! Squirrels! shame

Posted by: New Balance at April 30, 2012 02:21 PM (HOOye)

126 Don't forget to mention the Associated Press, Ace. Sure, the big guys provide some of their own reportage, but a significant (if not a majority) amount of news comes from the Lefty-biased AP which also does pretty much all of the news for smaller papers.

The domestic MFM is so biased that we now have to peruse British press to get the "right" perspective.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 30, 2012 02:21 PM (eHIJJ)

127 Also might I add at this point that pharma companies are useless shits when it comes to properly listing ingredients and allergens. You would think they'd be the first on board, and you'd be *totally* wrong. --- I was able to quickly find contraindications for this Imitrex stuff online. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean you need to know the chemical formula because of cross-reactions? I suppose those might be hard to find b/c they might be trying to keep their formulation secret.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:21 PM (5H6zj)

128 If anyone has any suggestions regarding books written on the topic, I'd appreciate it. Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 07:17 PM (Gc/Qi) I wish I did, the ones I've seen are lefty screeds about how conglomeration is making everything more right-wing, generally with no examples except FOX. Because if you look at *actual* results, the "face" of news is *more* left-wing than it was 40-50 years ago, though I think that's actually more cultural than strictly politics (i.e. they were lefties then but less inclined to "act out" openly).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:23 PM (bxiXv)

129 119 and eliminating prescription drugs such as Vicodin and Percocet.



When my surgeon told me that removing a large piece of one side of my nose, and cutting a slice of my forehead to graft onto the cut "won't be very painful at all," I knew he was a lying fuck.


I demanded pain meds stronger than Tylenol, and what he ended up giving me wasn't much stronger.  The night of the surgery, I was nearly in tears and called a 24 hour pharmacy and told them what he'd given me and that I felt like there was a flame-thrower aimed at my face.  The pharmacist was actually shocked at the weak dosage of the pain meds he'd given me, and suggested I take another and call him the next day and ask for a stronger dosage, which I didn't.  I just needed enough pain medication to get me through the first couple of days.


Sheesh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2012 02:23 PM (UOM48)

130 Every kidney stone I have just screamed, "THE HELL YOU SAY!" --- The next time you have one, try barley water or beer. The barley water thing was recommended to me by an Indian (dot-Indian as Slo Joe would say) scientist when my man had a sudden attack. We couldn't find that, so we had him drink a beer. A Rolling Rock, actually, which is pretty LOL funny. And the stone popped right out. Saved him from having to do that sonic zapping thing which I gather is rather awful.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:23 PM (5H6zj)

131 Wait, you're supposed to store food & drugs? I was storing Mormons there, better go let them out... ---- You don't have to store Mormons. They keep making more. ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:24 PM (5H6zj)

132 My guess is the beer works because of a combination of being an isotonic diuretic and a smooth muscle relaxant. Or sumpthin'.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:25 PM (5H6zj)

133

The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking.

 

You already told us he was liberal. 

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream. at April 30, 2012 02:26 PM (epBek)

134 Rolling Rock, oh my, that's funny.  I have no problem passing the damn things.  It just hurts all the way down.  Vicodin helps me endure it and keeps me out of the ER. 

Posted by: no good deed at April 30, 2012 02:26 PM (mjR67)

135 I was able to quickly find contraindications for this Imitrex stuff online. Is that what you mean? Or do you mean you need to know the chemical formula because of cross-reactions? I suppose those might be hard to find b/c they might be trying to keep their formulation secret. Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:21 PM (5H6zj) I mean like when they use something like "pregelatinized starch," it's useful to know what *kind* of starch it is. Actually essential. Some don't even list inactive ingredients, only the drug itself, not the majority of the pill.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 30, 2012 02:26 PM (bxiXv)

136
“The panel recommending banning Vicodin and Percocet seems a little draconian,” said Les Funtleyder, an analyst for Miller Tabak & Co.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 07:14 PM (5H6zj)


ya THINK? as a person who takes few painkillers but has a LOT of pain i hate these freaks with a WHITE HOT hate. Ok honestly i woulldnt take tylenol because i know its hard on my liver. But if it WORKS and you NEED it, then take it. This decision seems to be one made by someone who has never broken a bone badly, had surgery, or suffered from terrible pain while on blood thinners. This is psychopathic.



YOu cant take an NSAID, you cant take Tylenol, you cant take percocet. So what do you do?


JUST LIE THERE AND SCREAM?

Posted by: gushka haz a new Kitty what plays fetch! ! at April 30, 2012 02:26 PM (r7Ddb)

137 o what changed? How is it that essentially ALL major dailies (I'm sure there are some exceptions) are liberal? And in places where there still are two papers, are there still "conservative" dailies that compete for readership with the libs? If anyone has any suggestions regarding books written on the topic, I'd appreciate it. Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 07:17 PM (Gc/Qi) --------------- Follow the money - backwards.

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 02:26 PM (HOOye)

138 Very astute observation. You may be right. Nixon's funeral also took them by surprise, I think.
Posted by: Soona
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Unfortunately, those are spikes, not turning points. Unless the MSM turned even harder to the left.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 30, 2012 02:27 PM (lt7iY)

139 131 - I have a series of annuals put out by AP from 1964 through 1977. They're great as time capsules, and for much of the series they actually seem to be trying to go for something resembling objectivity, but there's a noticeable change as the series progresses. Now, some of that is due to Vietnam, some due to Nixon, and by the time Carter is inaugurated, the lefty slant is very obvious. You can see it, but I still don't know if there was something about the events, a change in leadership a the organization, a change in personnel on the ground or some combination of factors.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 02:28 PM (Gc/Qi)

140 OT Shirley MacLaine was hawt back in the day.That is all.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:30 PM (7W3wI)

141 Elizabeth Warren called me up on the Ouija Board. No we are NOT related you white devil fraud!    The balls!!

Posted by: Sacajawea at April 30, 2012 02:30 PM (c3mby)

142 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at April 30, 2012 06:54 PM
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Damn. That makes me wanna smoke a fine cigar, then strangle a hippy and skin a hobo.

Posted by: Contemplative Lobster at April 30, 2012 02:30 PM (ay6+/)

143 Now, some of that is due to Vietnam, some due to Nixon, and by the time Carter is inaugurated, the lefty slant is very obvious. Just about the time all those hippies graduated from College...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at April 30, 2012 02:30 PM (OKNQi)

144 I feel like the University of Chicago Press published something on media bias a while back. Or maybe I'm confusing it with a book they did on presidential speeches. I'll ask the man (he used to work there).

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:31 PM (5H6zj)

145 So what changed? How is it that essentially ALL major dailies (I'm sure there are some exceptions) are liberal?

Journalism degrees, mostly.

A lot of those little newspapers went out of business thanks to unions going on strike.  The Pittsburgh Press died that way.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2012 02:31 PM (T0NGe)

146 When the media distorts or refuses to report facts because they don't fit with a certain story line, it's my fault for noticing? My that is an interesting theory

Posted by: Hummingbird at April 30, 2012 02:31 PM (R5yLq)

147 Something Ace might want to thread up. The new book by Jonah Goldberg (yeah, yeah, another book) explains something I have been trying to put my finger on and explain to others. It's a bit heady - something down Ace's alley. And, I mean that sincerely. It's called The Tyranny of Cliches: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas http://tinyurl.com/caa9x3q over at RedState is a decent review/synopsis

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 02:31 PM (HOOye)

148

 

103 115  I hope Jimmah is buried in soil with good drainage.  Other wise the grass will die from everyone pissing on his grave.

Posted by: rd at April 30, 2012 02:31 PM (9sUlj)

149 142 I think it was more and more journalists coming out of J school instead of up through the ranks learning on the job.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:32 PM (7W3wI)

150 140 - Whose money? Did conservatives stop buying newspapers? Did publishers simply find that liberal bias sold better? Was there a concerted effort by liberal money men to buy up and buy out the conservatives to put them out of business? What??

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 02:32 PM (Gc/Qi)

151 >>It's called The Tyranny of Cliches Shit. I read that as The TRANNY of Cliches...

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:32 PM (5H6zj)

152 It was pre-Vietnam. I think it was our fighting the communists in Korea that started the whole anti-U.S., anti-military, anti-capitalist lefttard horseshit and infected media.

Posted by: Dagny at April 30, 2012 02:34 PM (4yXmp)

153 154 - Fishnets, tons of lipstick, way too much padding up top... yes, very cliched.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 02:35 PM (Gc/Qi)

154 The problem is that, now that journalism is a "profession", it does what other professions -- like law, medicine, etc. -- it serves itself.  Moreover, they see themselves as experts, whose vast experience and knowledge entitles them to deference from the common folk who should know better than to question them.

*sigh* I liked the gin-soaked reprobates who used to work for newspapers.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2012 02:35 PM (T0NGe)

155

LOL, whats on your mind this afternoon Y-not?

:-)

Posted by: kinlaw at April 30, 2012 02:36 PM (1OjQp)

156 I've said this before, but Liberals do not believe in "opinions."  There are just facts and facts alone, and they are on the side of the facts.  How can one be "biased" in favor of "facts"?  One either acknowledges such facts, or one hides one's eyes and covers one's ears and believes in lies.

Their worldview, their stubborn forward-forging in the face of ever-decreasing readership, makes perfects sense if you look at it this way.  "Naturally I support the liberal position, because that one is the true position; to do otherwise is to ignore the facts."

As far as I'm concerned they cannot go out of business fast enough.  The look on their faces as they have to go work at Wal-Mart or McDonalds will be priceless.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 30, 2012 02:36 PM (i0App)

157 I think the idea was that if all the news bent left then everyone would bend left and even the conservatives would bend left but not as far left. They just haven't adjusted to alternative media. That's why they HATE Rush and his ilk, Fox (because it isn't full out retard), and the interwebs. Back in the day, whatever Walter Cronkite said was fact.

Posted by: Dagny at April 30, 2012 02:36 PM (4yXmp)

158 Just as long as we don't have to bail their asses out. The press can bias itself into bankruptcy

Posted by: joeindc44 says hide your dogs, SCOMDEF's in town at April 30, 2012 02:36 PM (QxSug)

159 >>158 LOL, whats on your mind this afternoon Y-not? :-) You know, I've been watching these Great Blue Herons on their nest and they kinda look like trannies.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2012 02:37 PM (5H6zj)

160

Other countries have been screaming about the labels on Tylenol...for years.

 

The dosage instructions really don't specify that you shouldn't take it nonstop for months, or years. ....So a lot of people do.

 

With long term use, it can cause drying in the body...cause cartelage to dry out and create arthritis-like symptoms. ....Also dries out the brain, and affects memory.

 

The manufacturers of Acetaminophen just need to be more specific on their labels....and come right out and say: "Stop taking this after a couple of Weeks. Then resume after a couple of months." .....But for some reason, they seem to want to keep the instructions vague.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 02:37 PM (cB+Hn)

161

And Dagny, I live in So Cal and for decades, before I knew better, I assumed that what the LA Times printed was the truth.

 

LOLZ!

Posted by: kinlaw at April 30, 2012 02:38 PM (1OjQp)

162 It is an immutable law of organizational dynamics that any organization that is not founded expressly to promote principles of conservatism will become liberal over time.

I don't know exactly why it's true, but I've seen it proved and re-proved everywhere from AARP to the Girl Scouts to the Komen Foundation to every major corporation to the American media.

Posted by: Cicero at April 30, 2012 02:39 PM (QKKT0)

163 Lib-er-al: Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. There isn't a liberal bias in the media .. it's a DEMOCRATIC bias in the media.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 30, 2012 02:39 PM (e8kgV)

164 165 Because bureacracy only exists to perpetuate itself.Eventually the real reason the organization was founded is replaced by the need to keep it going.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:41 PM (7W3wI)

165 I think I had a distinct advantage being 18, 16 and 12 years younger than my siblings. I remember the fights where my dad would yell that you can't believe the Washington Post when I was in ankle socks on a tricycle. If I knew anything for sure, I knew that the Post lied. Actually, he was still struggling to break away from the democrat party himself but he knew that everyone had an agenda and you had to be aware that it existed.

Posted by: Dagny at April 30, 2012 02:41 PM (4yXmp)

166 Actually, I kind of agree that for democracy to work, we have to take the decision power out of the hands of the people, and give it to a select few, media and academics and such, and have them show the people the way through informative persuasion. The media may seem left leaning and borderline socialist, but that is only from the perspective of a mostly uninformed and reactionary public.

Posted by: dripping venom at April 30, 2012 02:42 PM (zZJJp)

167 Never leave out USA Today in your list of liberal rags. I don't get why they always get a free pass.

Posted by: Hurricane at April 30, 2012 02:43 PM (NrdQS)

168

Islamo Rage Dude, the truth is that todays media and Demos (but I repeat myself) are leftists; nothing liberal about them.

 

Democacy is the LAST thing our media/Dems want.

Posted by: kinlaw at April 30, 2012 02:43 PM (1OjQp)

169 169 Did you forget your sarc tag?

Posted by: Dagny at April 30, 2012 02:44 PM (4yXmp)

170

167 165 Because bureacracy only exists to perpetuate itself.Eventually the real reason the organization was founded is replaced by the need to keep it going.
 


Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 07:41 PM (7W3wI)

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So very true. ....This applies to the Unions, as well.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 02:44 PM (cB+Hn)

171 #111 y-not percocet and tylenol kept me from attempting to bash my head in when I had meningitis. The FDA is nuts.

Posted by: Dianna at April 30, 2012 02:44 PM (ZdD3r)

172 153 140 - Whose money? Did conservatives stop buying newspapers? Did publishers simply find that liberal bias sold better? Was there a concerted effort by liberal money men to buy up and buy out the conservatives to put them out of business? What?? Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 07:32 PM (Gc/Qi) ----------------- Who OWNS the newpapers - just like the MSM TV and Cable channels/networks. Who is on the board, chairs them, chiefs them. Every time the NYTimes is going bankrupt, there is some silly 1%Liberal standing by to back them up and prop up the dead horse. Someone else tapped into it as well. Those that are hiring, are only hiring same ideology. Everyone else is blacklisted. Journalism schools - like most universities are rampant liberal. This was Breitbart's mission in life. It is one tangled, very elitist, very wealthy web. To answer some of your questions, it is obvious liberal bias does not sell better, as most are struggling in print and broadcast. They, like that microscopic example of the show 30 Rock, which has few viewers and continues to drop them, yet the liberal media touts it as a hit. I've been reading the WSJ for a very long time. The most read international newspaper, and arguably, now, has been conservative. It was the only newspaper making a profit at one time, perhaps still. It's getting squishy due to its takeover, but there you have it. Was there a concerted effort to buy up... always. If you control the message, you win.

Posted by: I have a biased hem. at April 30, 2012 02:44 PM (HOOye)

173 172 sorry,. don't mean to stir things up. yes it was sarcasm.

Posted by: dripping venom at April 30, 2012 02:45 PM (zZJJp)

174 Unfortunately, those are spikes, not turning points. Unless the MSM turned even harder to the left.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at April 30, 2012 07:27 PM (lt7iY)

 

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I think that was the context of my comment.  They  went full-on retard leftist after Reagan and Nixon's funerals purveyed so much respect.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2012 02:46 PM (+jVn/)

175 Radio host Bob Grant used to always use the March of Dimes as an example.They wanted to find the cure to Polio.Well,Polio was cured,shouldn't March of Dimes have declared victory and disbanded?

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:46 PM (7W3wI)

176 Ya know, in order for this country to work, all the power needs to be in the hands of a select few. They should make all the decisions and let the people know what is expected of them. The people that are outside of the ruling group will be treated equally if they behave. The ruling group can limit their access to different news so that they don't hear stuff that will work against what the rulers want. If they do decide not to cooperate the rulers can kill them or send them to camps to be reeducated.

Right venom?

Posted by: Dagny at April 30, 2012 02:47 PM (4yXmp)

177 We all know NBC, MSNBC via General Electric need Obama's green to succeed.  But seems many news org's. should register as lobbyist.  Members of Congress were found to have profited off of "insider" info on Obamacare - etc... but how is one to know if media isn't heavily invested in O's failed green policies and have big bucks at stake?

AP is atrocious.  They feed  the small news-ers across the country.

Posted by: Deli LLama at April 30, 2012 02:47 PM (uv9eO)

178 Today's Dems and media: leftists, not liberals.

Posted by: kinlaw at April 30, 2012 02:48 PM (1OjQp)

179 Never leave out USA Today in your list of liberal rags. I don't get why they always get a free pass.

People actually read USA Today?  I thought they just bought it for the pictures.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2012 02:50 PM (SY2Kh)

180 #182 I stopped buying it after my parakeet died.

Posted by: Hummingbird at April 30, 2012 02:51 PM (R5yLq)

181 Left wing not liberal,I never call them liberals.They aren't.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 02:51 PM (7W3wI)

182 The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking. So liberal?

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2012 02:52 PM (OTtAK)

183 The ruling group can limit their access to different news so that they don't hear stuff that will work against what the rulers want. Dagny, this is what the left wants, isn't it? Unions not wanting companies to have time to give their say before a vote Dems not wanting companies (people organized for a commercial purpose) to participate in the election process Fox not having a network Beck being destroyed,...

Posted by: dripping venom at April 30, 2012 02:55 PM (zZJJp)

184 >>>Actually, I kind of agree ...

And that, is why you are a totalitarian dick. You want a return to feudalism and rule by the few, meanwhile controlling what the people can learn as to always keep them under soft control. The only thing that can crush a soul worse than hard tyranny, is soft tyranny, where even the desire to be free is crushed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 30, 2012 02:56 PM (0q2P7)

185

175....I've been reading the WSJ for a very long time. The most read international newspaper, and arguably, now, has been conservative. It was the only newspaper making a profit at one time, perhaps still. It's getting squishy due to its takeover, but there you have it.
 

I used to read the WSJ too. During the 80's and 90's, it was one of the few places where you could read what the liberals were really up to.
 
But since Murdoch bought it, it has changed. ...I rarely ever read it any more. Even though now, a subscription is a mere fraction of what it used to be.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 02:57 PM (cB+Hn)

186 "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years.” -Mark Twain I often wonder if papers have become more liberal, or if i have become more educated.

Posted by: dripping venom at April 30, 2012 03:00 PM (zZJJp)

187 People actually read USA Today? I thought they just bought it for the pictures.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2012 07:50 PM (SY2Kh)



I used to buy it for the crossword, occasionally.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 03:05 PM (X3lox)

188  @44 "It's always about the human interest aspect. It's always about feelings"

This ^^^^^^^

This is the problem with not only the media but the edumacation system. This is what sucks in the sheep. Logic, reason, and critical thinking? Seeya. Emotions? Come on down!

If we don't get a handle on this soon, from both the media and education perspective, we are truly fooked.  We're all gonna be sitting around at a campfire touchy-feely like, whilst the world burns down around us. Oh, we'll notice it. We just won't *do* anything about it. Don't wanna hurt anyone's *feelings*.

Oh btw, the campfire is lit.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at April 30, 2012 03:06 PM (zpqa2)

189 I thought the US Today was just there to step on when leaving your hotel room.

Posted by: Jean at April 30, 2012 03:08 PM (OTtAK)

190

Conservatives gotta get over the idea that our competitors are the liberals.  The average liberal only competed in those group-gropes where "Everyone Wins".  Our competitor (for the soul of our country) is the media.  Without the media sheilding them from the consequences of their lies, and their accidental slipups where they tell the truth, the average liberal would become rapidly unemployed, and soon after, starve.

If you haven't figured out that the media is the enemy of America, please don't run for office... let a real man or woman in there!

Posted by: sherlock at April 30, 2012 03:18 PM (8ra42)

191 Liberal pictures, like Playboy, minus the stirring in the pants.

Posted by: Hurricane at April 30, 2012 03:20 PM (NrdQS)

192 The elite left ALWAYS knows what the great and glorious will of the people... even if the people disagree with them!

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 30, 2012 03:41 PM (DoaFB)

193 I know you are, but what am I?

Posted by: The Media at April 30, 2012 03:51 PM (k34Gz)

194 And so's your mama!

Posted by: The Media at April 30, 2012 03:51 PM (k34Gz)

195 The Washington Post ain't liberal? ha ha.

A blast from the past (7/2/09  politico.com link) LINK: tinyurl.com/llcrhc

Excerpt:

"Washington Post publisher Katharine Weymouth said today she was canceling plans for an exclusive "salon" at her home where for as much as $250,000, the Post offered lobbyists and association executives off-the-record access to "those powerful few" — Obama administration officials, members of Congress, and even the paper’s own reporters and editors. "

Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2012 03:54 PM (HjPtV)

196 175 - Thanks, that sounds like a reasonable explanation. Still, I'd like to see a comprehensive analysis of the industry, but I guess that would require somebody having access to the sources, and the ability to get them to speak honestly. Which would be fairly ironic, wouldn't it? An industry ostensibly devoted to bringing the truth, completely secretive about how they go about doing what they do? Just about any topic of importance that has occurred in history, there are multiple texts written, some from one angle, some from another, and any number that try to shoot down the middle. Where are the great texts devoted to the history of the news industry?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 30, 2012 03:55 PM (Gc/Qi)

197 199 - I think the key is the Associated Press. They make it very difficult to track down who is on the board.  Did you know it's a nonprofit? The next time some liberal gives you crap about taxing churches, tell them to tax AP first, level the playing field a bit. The board members are either owners or publshers/editors of media operations all over the country,so it's difficult to mount a coordinated effort. 

Posted by: vivi at April 30, 2012 04:08 PM (OTPxW)

198 There's great merit in this statement by the state-manufactured media. For instance, nature has its own biases about particular theories as well, particularly global warming, which nature continues to laugh its ass off at these deluded fools who continue to make such claims of human-caused warming.

Posted by: Objective Media at April 30, 2012 04:39 PM (ijdDW)

199 "The guy simply seems bad at, what's the word, thinking." "Are we bad at thinking, or do you only believe that we are bad at thinking because you are bad at thinking? Maybe a little Cherokee heritage would make you more smarter. JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!" --Leftist Dickbags United (And Having a Great Time)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at April 30, 2012 05:38 PM (wCdEq)

200 Gee. A group lashing out at legitimate, fact-based scrutiny that exposes their inherent and totally unjustified bias with "No you!!"? How shocking. That could never happen here. Lulz.

Posted by: I do what I want at April 30, 2012 07:29 PM (a4CUi)

201 Yep, I'm biased toward liberty and freedom.

Yep, the media is biased toward Obama and against liberty and freedom.

What's their point?

Posted by: currently at April 30, 2012 10:42 PM (flA6l)

202

 When political discussions of the day boil down to, 'I know I am, but what are you?'

...you just know that we're all screwed.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at May 01, 2012 04:18 AM (P80L2)

203

He is a liberal and therefore smarter than you, just ask him. 

He wants you to drink his Kool-Aide and go sit in the corner quietly and obey the demands of the his liberal agenda.  He and his liberal (only kind) friends will tell you what to believe via the liberal propaganda media (print or television).  Your only purpose is to sit quietly in the coner and obey

 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out -- Bob Novak

Posted by: John at May 01, 2012 04:58 AM (46VAS)

204 The problem is not and has never been that the Marxist Socialist Media is BIASED. 

The problem is that they are DISHONEST.

Looking at the world from a particular point of view and defending that point of view is called being human. 

Looking at the world and then inaccurately describing what you see in order to manufacture support for your point of view is called lying.


Posted by: Lee Reynolds at May 01, 2012 06:58 AM (rJMw2)

205
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

Posted by: Kristin Cashore Bitterblue ePub at May 03, 2012 04:07 PM (dgVis)

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