August 31, 2006

Open Thread / Vent
— LauraW.

What's up kids?

Me, I just read today's Ann Coulter and am regretting it.
I used to read her habitually, but she's so ugly now that I am loathe to go there anymore. Her latest is as bad as anything she's ever written.

Enjoy her latest. NOT.

I wonder if she came up with the title herself.

UPDATE: If I'm a shrinking violet, I'm in Godly Company.

UPDATE II: Did a search of this site with the keyword 'coulter.'

Holy crap. I knew there were at least two previous Coulter posts, but had no idea this had been rehashed so many times before.

To recap and refresh: I apologize for the glib-snark tone of this post, which has inflamed some (rho). I should have mentioned that I had long admired Ann Coulter, but at some point she just seemed to chase controversy for its own sake, and that's when she lost me. I miss the old Coulter zing, and it doesn't look like her better craft will come back any time soon.

And it also looks like I have no leg to stand on when it comes to ham-handed bashing that comes off as assholishness.

rho, if you're done with my ass, I'd like to have it back please. My head's getting cold.

Posted by: LauraW. at 10:04 AM | Comments (300)
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1 Ann has jumped the shark- especially after her gay crack about Clinton.
If your a conservative, someone like Mark Steyn is more talented and eloquent and appears not to seek attention for it's own sake.
Coulter has become a bad parody of herself- like MoDo.

Posted by: jjshaka at August 31, 2006 10:11 AM (JGJfS)

2 I'm sorry, was there something in that article that wasn't true?

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 10:11 AM (aLDBr)

3 That's really...not that good.

Posted by: Slublog at August 31, 2006 10:13 AM (R8+nJ)

4 She's gone from being an equivalent to Molly Ivins to an equivalent of Ted Rall. Cut her loose before she does more damage.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 10:15 AM (Id2DF)

5

You may think she's right, but it still reads like a smear piece.


Lincoln Chafee is teh stoopid! He shuld be shot! Ha har!


Come on, who the Hell is that supposed to appeal to?


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 10:19 AM (b4o3y)

6 Not her best work, I agree... but Ms. C is quickly becoming the Mort Sahl of her generation.

Her "pissing people off" quotient remains high and I love her.

Posted by: Lucca at August 31, 2006 10:21 AM (TCzr3)

7 I guess people's gripe is with the title. Like Rho, I don't see anything outrageous in the content. Chafee voted against Alito? That's insane.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 10:24 AM (N1IMb)

8 Didn't upset me ...but I don't expect anything but anti-PC hyperbole ever from Ann. I do expect to be rationally, partisanly (is that a word?) amused tho' ...and I was. Again.

Posted by: davis,br at August 31, 2006 10:26 AM (60wmB)

9 She is what she is.

Posted by: Uniball at August 31, 2006 10:28 AM (27iEn)

10


"I've often wondered if an errant kick to the head by one of his charges would account for Chafee's rudimentary cognitive abilities."


This is political commentary? It is precisely the type of thing that we find revolting when it comes from the opposition's pundits.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 10:30 AM (b4o3y)

11 I'm with rho. the title is horrible, but the rest is pretty much what you'd find on the boards here. It's surely less outrageous than some of her recent stuff.
(which i have not been a fan of.
I thought this bit was pretty good:

The only reason Chafee calls himself a Republican is that he believes that everyone above a certain income level is required by law to do so.

and how, exactly, do you smear slime? personal attacks? absolutely. true? certainly. that over the top? Malkin's written spicier stuff than most of this column.

while i don't find it terribly funny, neither do i find it outrageous or offensive (except for the title, which is too much.)

Posted by: jdubious at August 31, 2006 10:30 AM (G7s9a)

12 Meh. I fail to see what is so outrageous there. Theres a time and a place for the Ann Coulters of the world to be certain, but they do have a time and a place.

I guess she's just mean? Oh, golly gosh. Whatever shall we do?

She treats senators like we treat trolls. It's dirty job, but I'm glad she's doing it.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (m6c4H)

13 You may disagree with Ann's tone, but her facts are spot on. I love her. And Bethany too. And Michelle.

Posted by: Kingslasher at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (SOfML)

14 While I agree that it was not her best work by far and the title was more than a little over the top, it was hard to disagree with the underlying point and to compare her to a no talent like Ted Rall is absurd.

Posted by: Steve at August 31, 2006 10:32 AM (LrA6M)

15 but the rest is pretty much what you'd find on the boards here

'Cept she gets paid to do better. Besides, the insults lose their effectiveness after the 6th or 7th one in the same column.

Hell, I could to better than this.

It takes her to the second to the last paragraph to find any praise for Laffey.

I used to like Ann. She used to be witty and deliciously snarky. Anymore, I find her to be a bitter, vile woman. She reminds me too much of the other side.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 10:38 AM (QWUn5)

16 Her facts were truthful, her points were right on and her smears were harsh, but that is Ann, and I love her for it. I agree that it wasn't her best, but she is correct that Lincoln Chafee is worse than a RINO, he is a Donk in Elephant clothing and needed to be called on it.

And anyway, I'd hit it.

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 31, 2006 10:38 AM (W9sky)

17 A call to all antiterrorists! You have a great opportunity to cast a curse on Omeed Aziz Popal's mustache! Do it now and let your voice be effective!

Posted by: machs at August 31, 2006 10:39 AM (r5/L0)

18 This is political commentary? It is precisely the type of thing that we find revolting when it comes from the opposition's pundits.

As a matter of fact, yes. It has been political commentary for a lot long than it has not been political commentary.

Me, I've never been all that bothered by people making "Bush should be shot" jokes, as you can generally tell when they're being absurd and when they're being serious, and if you think Ann really thinks that Chafee should be shot in the head while watching a mediocre play... well, okay, I doubt she's weep into her Cheerios over the news, but she's not actively encouraging that kind of behavior.

What makes the opposition's forays into hardcore rhetoric isn't that the language is blue--it's that they base their attacks on lies and bullshit. Lincoln Chafee is about as poor a "Republican" as you can get. That he caucuses with the Republicans is a small positive. It would better serve the party to dump him, and Ann is factually correct in pointing that out.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 10:39 AM (aLDBr)

19 You people are just turning on Ann because she is getting older and when blonds age they become less attractive.

So shallow!

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at August 31, 2006 10:41 AM (KeOQp)

20 'Cept she gets paid to do better.

Does she? I think she gets the big bucks to do exactly what she's doing. Otherwise, Lauraw would be writing for FrontPage and appearing on all the talking head shows, flashing her hands all over the place.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 10:43 AM (N1IMb)

21 Two words:

agent provacateur

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 10:46 AM (p1s9n)

22 What makes the opposition's forays into hardcore rhetoric isn't that the language is blue--it's that they base their attacks on lies and bullshit.

You nailed it, rho. I don't give a rat's ass about the general meanness of any of it. Ann isn't like Franken or Rall because, Ann doesn't propogate lies in the process.

Ann is agitated. Rall is agitprop. Big difference.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 10:51 AM (m6c4H)

23 Open thread, right? I don't care enough about Coulter to say anything about it. So I'm going to talk about Ace.

I miss Ace. There's some kind of joie de vivre missing from my life, and the cure is more Ace.

Or cowbell. I could use some cowbell, too.

Posted by: meep at August 31, 2006 10:56 AM (5j3FI)

24 She could cure cancer, AMD still be a rotten bitch.

theres truth, but theres also a lot of rotten bitch.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 10:58 AM (QTv8u)

25 Open thread? Ok. Apparently the nutcase psychologist who said foul things about Jeff Goldstein's kid (and Ace, and Patterico, and Froggy at Blackfive, and others) woke up on the wrong side of the cauldron this morning. If you care to read about it, go here.

Posted by: Bitti at August 31, 2006 10:59 AM (fqh4C)

26

Ace? Is that you posting as Lauraw?


Posted by: Tushar D at August 31, 2006 11:01 AM (tyRhL)

27 UPDATE: If I'm a shrinking violet, I'm in Godly Company.

I was going to comment that the worse thing about this is that we were going to have to listen to you-know-who go on and on about Ann Coulter. Andy Sullivan is to Ace as Ann Coulter is to Allah -- i.e., Love/Hate. The four of you: Get a room!

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:03 AM (N1IMb)

28 Agent provocateur? If so, someone please fire her, since she is a drag on the right with this sort of rhetoric. Who is she convincing with this sort of garbage?

Posted by: Clark1 at August 31, 2006 11:05 AM (zVsXQ)

29 I guess LauraW feels better now that she has some name-brand backup for her pusillanimousness? I don't give a shit that there are "conservatives [knocking] the left’s assassination chic". I think it's a pretty pitiful row to hoe--"don't talk about shooting Bush, it's mean". If anybody thinks they're serious, get the Secret Service to arrest them.

(It's like the furor over Che chic. I think Che's best feature is that he got shot being a pussy, so I'm no fan. Yet all I can see with the incessant Che imagery is a Communist fag being used for capitalistic purposes, and it makes me laugh long an hard that Satan's pointing that out as he assrapes Che with a crooked mule dick.)

Every time Ann pops a zit on the ass of the Left we get treated to the Nancy Chorus straining juice through their panties over some harsh put-downs. Please.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:07 AM (aLDBr)

30 Okay, there are shades of black. Ann is a rotten bitch, but frisch is a souless . . . erm, not quite runt.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:07 AM (QTv8u)

31 Clark, that's the point. She's not working for US, she's working for THEM to make us look like unhinged kooks.

Thanks, Ann, you shrill, stupid bitch.

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:09 AM (p1s9n)

32 rho, are you calling Lauraw a Nancy girl????

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:09 AM (N1IMb)

33 Yes, the "Ann makes the Right look bad" routine.

Because, before Ann Coulter, they took the Right's arguments so seriously.

You crippled chumps.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (aLDBr)

34

*knees knocking together*


S-s-s-stop it, you mean, mean man!


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (b4o3y)

35 if you don't worship coulter, you're not a real conservative

Posted by: troll at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (yHvEo)

36 I love Ann, I think like most of her articles she is dead on and ahead of the pack. I certainly don't hear liberals prefacing their stupid anti-American, anti-troop blather by saying here is our triple Purple Heart war hero with another important anti-everything message. Annie caught a lot of flak for that but she and she alone took that tactic away.

I look forward to every Thursday morning so I can start with her new column. Give em hell Annie

Posted by: Mike J at August 31, 2006 11:11 AM (fEnUg)

37 Lauraw and rho: Get a room!

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:12 AM (N1IMb)

38 You are just jealous because she gets more cock than you do. And she's smarter, prettier, and more talented.

Posted by: Froggy at August 31, 2006 11:14 AM (E1hup)

39 a-a, that's how losers think. Winners fight.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:14 AM (aLDBr)

40 Dr. Pooter strikes again!

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:18 AM (N1IMb)

41

Allah, you jealous bitch!


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:18 AM (b4o3y)

42 Southpark is hilarious, and usually spot on with their observations, and satire. Ann is entertaining, and definately hits the target readily with her words and satire.

Southpark is a cartoon.
Ann is given credence as though she speaks for me.

If she wants to be southpark, fine, but she isn't southpark, she's a "serious" person who is supposedly an important voice in the conservative movement.

Truth be told, if people were to use quotes from southpark to demonstrate my politics, I would be less offended than if they used ann coulter. At least if they used southpark I could say, "Did Chris Matthews just fucking quote Cartman on abortion? What a fucking retard."

My only recourse when he does the same thing with ann is to drop my head and shake it.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:21 AM (QTv8u)

43 Goes to show that maybe calling them on their assassination bullshit is kind of stupid, eh? As if it's the kind of issue that people really care about. If we didn't have Ann, they'd just harangue the Right for wanting to stifle free speech. Like I said--please.

I don't give a shit about people casually interested in politics. These people don't vote. I'd rather have passionate pacifists in power than wishy-washy undecideds calling the shots.

This reminds me of the time I got mocked for not showing enthusiasm at the idea of catastrophic retaliatory bombing in the Middle East, on the order of "kill a soldier, your hometown is flattened". That? That's okay. Ann says they shot the wrong Lincoln? RUN AWAY AND/OR PANIC!!!!!1

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:24 AM (aLDBr)

44 My problem with Ann, who I used to enjoy, is the obsessive march she's on towards ideological purity. With Ann, it sure seems like rational people aren't allowed to disagree. This is the same shit we get from the NutRoots, and I just don't see how she's helping.

Say what you want about being wussy about it- I don't need a sledgehammer to take down the other guy, I can dice him up just fine with a rapier, and make it hurt more. If I'm going to overcome my opponents, I'm going to do it in such a manner that they're going to enjoy getting beat.

And I thought Ann was rather attractive until seeing her up close... now, honestly, to quote WWTDD, "it'd be like fucking a stack of firewood".

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (QMGqM)

45 The difference between this article and a lefty article is that Coulter is criticizing her own party, while a lefty would be using this sort of rhetoric against the opposition.

Chafee's a creep and I'm sick of him, too. If Bush wants to know why he's lost his base, this is one very good reason.

You can't take real conservatives for granted like Congress has been and expect them to thank you for it at the polls. "Speaker Pelosi" doesn't scare me half as much as "Sit on your collective azz and let the liberals bully you for 2 more years Congress."

If Bush gets impeached it's his own...da**...fault.

Posted by: bbeck at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (qF8q3)

46 Well, she's gonna be on cavuto in a minute.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (QTv8u)

47 she wants to be southpark, fine, but she isn't southpark, she's a "serious" person who is supposedly an important voice in the conservative movement

Who the hell said that? Liberals? If we took what they said as true, we'd all be screwed.

When is Ann ever serious about anything at all? Sometimes, she's half serious, and that's about as close as you'll get. As to "important", howso? What the hell has she done/accomplished other then snipe people?

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:27 AM (m6c4H)

48 She’s become as bad as the leftists.

AA, that's just objectively un-true. It's false.

You have become as bad as the leftists in your attacks on Ann Coulter, why don't we say.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:28 AM (m6c4H)

49 TMI3rd, would you care to substantiate your accusations of "purity-seeking", or shall we say you've become as bad as Ann Coulter with your attacks on Ann Coulter?

I hope you're not actually saying Lincoln Chafee is the same as what's going on on the left, are you?

That would be more false equivalency.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:31 AM (m6c4H)

50 How about prefacing it with "she is treated as a. . . ."?

Also isn't she a fellow at one of the big think tanks?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:31 AM (QTv8u)

51 rho, with the utmost respect and love, let me just say that you are a retard.

"winners" recognize when their behavior hurts the movement they espose support for. Ann does not. "winners" do things to convince people to see things their way, Ann does not.

Ideological puritans are not "winners," they are totalitarians. Just like teh innumerable Stalinist purges or the "purification' of the state level constitution parties (since national was so horrible as to NOT TAKE A POSITION (!) on abotions after rape and incest), its the puritanss who are the perrenial losers of america.

I'm pretty damn doctrinaire myself (not liking Rudy and all) but even I recognize that saying outlandish things on a lark when you''re supposed to be some type of spokesperson is the height of either irresponsibility or malice toward one's own cause.

Coulter has become a fucking pus-filled blight.

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:32 AM (p1s9n)

52 tmi3rd

oh, and you're the bees fuckin' knees, huh?
betcha you're a virgin.
loser

Posted by: a stack of firewood at August 31, 2006 11:32 AM (G7s9a)

53 tmi3rd: Exactly how is Ann Coulter not allowing you to disagree?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 11:33 AM (N1IMb)

54 Seriously, I'm offended by this:

We lose the moral highground

Let me just get this straight for future reference.

All this fucking time you've beleived we've had the moral highground NOT because what we're doing, but because of how we say it? How we advocate it?

The actually policies - meh, no so important, whatever.

The delivery - The stuff that counts.

??????

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:34 AM (m6c4H)

55 "winners" recognize when their behavior hurts the movement they espose support for.

Political correctness hurts the movement I espouse support for. I oppose political correctness. Bowing the super-sensitive niceties like a shrinking violent hurts the movement we espouse.

You guys ought to know that.

Bravo to Ann for being one of the FEW (and I do mean _FEW_ because there are _FEW_) willing to fight that particular cause.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:37 AM (m6c4H)

56 I think they both count.

I don't think she should shake the bean bag of every person she disagree's with, but I think she should stop saying people who are ostensibly American should be killed.

Baby steps.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 11:38 AM (QTv8u)

57 People keep talking about Ann being an "ideological puritan", but I've yet to see anyone provide any substance for the allegation (even as they condemn Coulter for the very same).

I'm left to assume you're all talking about Chaffee.

Purging Chaffee is "seeking ideological purity"?????

I guess I'm a fucking Quaker, then. Chafee isn't anything like Lieberman, getting rid of him isn't tantamount to what Dkos advocates.

They are not the same situation. They are not equivalent. Chafee didn't even vote for Bush, he voted for Kerry. Look at his record - Not the same as Lieberman.

Chaffee actually is what the nutroots falsely claim Lieberman is.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:41 AM (m6c4H)

58 Entropy,

Let's get this straight:

NOT calling for a RINO's assasination makes one a fucking shrinking violet??!?!?!

Jesus H. Christ on a fucking pogo stick. What are you, 12?

Since when is CIVILIZED FUCKING DISCOURSE akin to political corrctness? I suppose all those folks over at DU that dream of harm coming to the President are the paragons of MATURITY? Are you really listening to yourself? She said he deserves to be SHOT.

Is that OK with you?

Do the "Winners" in life really NEED to call for assasination of their slightly to the left party-mates?

I say this as a hard-core social conservative, but the bitch is fucking whack.

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:42 AM (p1s9n)

59 Ideological puritans are not "winners," they are totalitarians

I'd agree with you if you had any kind of proof that newspaper columnist Ann Coulter is in any way equivalent to fucking Stalin. I mean, God-almighty, and you have the gall to call me a retard?

Just my opinion, but Ann calling Lincoln Fucking Chafee a fat fucking RINO is entirely true. I utterly fail to see the devotion to "ideological purity" that you so obsess over, but I do see a remarkable lack of tolerance for coattail riders and hangers-on who tack an "R" to their name for convenience.

And yes, winners fight. Ann's fighting, and you're afraid that somebody on the Left is going to call you a bad name. Way to go.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 11:43 AM (aLDBr)

60 the "slightly" was sarcasm, but on re-read it didn't come through.

Seriously, though are we only real "winners" (and TRUE CONSERVATIVES) when we call for killing the opposition?

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:44 AM (p1s9n)

61 a-a

I'm trying not to have too much of a dog in this fight, but:

We cant have it both ways. Either we condemn Ann when she jokes about killing Chafee or we admit that its perfectly fine for the leftards to do the same in regards to Bush.

Personally, i love it when the lefties do that. Because it allows them to show their asses. doesn't mean i think coulter should respond in kind. as i mentioned above, it was a stupid headline.

i'm honestly a little puzzled when people get so angry when the leftists pull that stuff. a) what did you expect, b) it's not a winning issue for us, c) it's a free country and if they want to advertise their extremist ideology, we're better off giving them megaphones than gags.

i guess i see the violets' position on this, I guess i just subjectively didn't think the column was quite as inflammatory. but to each his or her own.

Posted by: jdubious at August 31, 2006 11:49 AM (G7s9a)

62 Sure, Ann can be a bit over-the-top sometimes. But the left won't give us any problem at all about her if we just start writing "(pbuh)" after every mention of her name.

Posted by: Guy T. at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (j02xJ)

63

RUN AWAY AND/OR PANIC!!!!!1


Who's panicking?


I'm just saying she's an asshole.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (b4o3y)

64 Chafee : Lieberman
::
Ann the Purist : Markos the Purist
::
US Soldiers : Iraqi 'Minutemen' Mujahadeen
::
IDF : Hamas

Disagreeing, disapproving of Ann, all this is well and fine. But this comment is full of people flinging blatant moral equivalence crap where it does not exist or belong.

Coulter is not advocating party purity like Dkos, Coulter is not seriously advocating anyone be shot, Coulter is not spewing defamatory lies about people and trying to convince people they are true.

These are facts and these are substantial differences between the things being claimed to be equivalent.

If you want to say "Coulter is mean, uncouth and vulgar" by my guest. I won't argue.

I also don't care. See above - mean language doesn't bother me. Civil discourse is fine but not all discourse need be civil, - it's one thing to say you don't like her writing, it's another to say she shouldn't be tolerated to say such things - that is a shrinking violet position to take.

But let's not engauge in gross hyperbole even as we decry it.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:51 AM (m6c4H)

65 it's not the column, it's the title.

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:52 AM (p1s9n)

66 She's right, let's have an open season on RINOs. I Love Ann.

Posted by: wyguy at August 31, 2006 11:53 AM (vT7tc)

67 I love how Ann has become convenient conversational ballast to prove
how high-minded we are. If you're going to chuck Ann, chuck her like
you mean it. Fisk what she wrote and put her in the Fred Phelps
menagerie of nutcases.



Stop linking her for good, don't just link her every time she writes a
harsh polemic and say, "Golly what a meanie! I'm sure glad I'm not like
this raving lunatic!"

Posted by: spmat at August 31, 2006 11:55 AM (P9eBz)

68 Hurtin' for site visits now that Ace's taking a few days?

Solution: start another Ann Coulter flame war!

And this column is pretty weak to fight over. A nasty headline. Uh-huh. Nasty remarks about some RINO senator. Yawn.

Ann has cranked out worse vitriol talking in her sleep (don't ask).

How about some more ghey "Rammenstein" videos or whatever the hell Sobek was wasting bandwidth on. Just as enlightening.

Posted by: AFKAF at August 31, 2006 11:55 AM (ivbbD)

69 A-A, I understand your point perfectly well.

But it doesn't address what you've said. Will then you then admit that "we loose the moral high ground" was a poor choice of words?

Because that's all I'm saying - Coulter does not cause our moral position to change when our policy remains the same and only some rough rhetoric is added. There's a sensible way to say something and an asshole way to say something, but the moral imperative of what you're saying does not change based on the delivery method.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 11:57 AM (m6c4H)

70 As for “originality,” it reminds me of a remark made by Harry Warren during WWII: Warren, a composer who wrote “Chattanooga Choo-Choo,” “I Found A Million Dollar Baby (In A Five & Ten Cent Store),” “I Only Have Eyes For You,” “I’m An Old Cowhand (From The Rio Grande),” “Jeepers Creepers,” “Lullaby of Broadway,” “The More I See You,” “You Must Have Been A Beautiful Baby,” and literally hundreds of other songs for movies (mostly) with lyricists such as Johnny Mercer was/is not a household name. When asked (in the 40s) by an interviewer if it bothered him that Irving Berlin was so celebrated and well-known (especially during both World Wars, partly due to his work with the war efforts) and that he was pretty anonymous, Warren responded, “They bombed the wrong Berlin.” Do I think Warren really wanted Berlin offed? Nah, and I think the remark is funny.

Having said that, I *do* find Coulter over the top some times, because the stakes are a higher than the notoriety of a tunesmith, regardless of the volume or quality of his output. I don’t get too exercised about it, but I find myself refraining from reading her stuff, and some of what I do read, I don’t really enjoy. But there’s still a lot I do find spot-on.

Posted by: iamfelix at August 31, 2006 11:59 AM (hHZ38)

71 Entropy

I agree that Ann's writing out of Chafee is not the equivalent of the purge of Lieberman (90% liberal) by markos.

But kos never pined for Lieb's assasination. It's really as dumb as Frank J.'s crack about robes and ropes (except that Ann has a circulation about 1,000,000 times as large as Frank's (no offence Frank J.)

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 11:59 AM (p1s9n)

72 No matter how brilliant she is or how right she may be in some cases she always pushes it too far and loses me.

Bears repeating

Posted by: hobgoblin at August 31, 2006 12:00 PM (p1s9n)

73 Ouch! She's tough, it hurts, but...I live in RI and she's right! No tiene pelos en la lengua as my mother used to say (literal translation: she has no hairs on her tongue!).

Posted by: linda at August 31, 2006 12:03 PM (GIL7z)

74 Neither has Coulter.

I know alot of people on the right decry Franken's use of the "sarcasm" shield, so I'd expect them to also decry it's use for Ann.

But I don't. I don't care about the "sarcasm" shielding offensive comments. I dislike Franken mostly because he lies, he makes shit up, he tells untrue things, and then uses sarcasm only if he's caught.

Ann doesn't do that. Nor is she seriously calling for the man's assassination - let's not play coy here, we all know Ann Coulter has not commited a crime by willfully inciting violence against Lincoln Chafee, which is what we seem to be accusing her of.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 12:03 PM (m6c4H)

75 Anybody who thinks that Ann is literally calling for the shooting of Chafee is hopeless and unworthy of serious debate.

I don't get this "prove I'm right about Ann losing mindshare with 'undecided voters' or whatever by hysterical bug-eyed nitwittery over the headline of a largely accurate opinion column and therefore losing the moral high ground of not being a froot-loop", but hey, if the beat makes you boogie, I say to thine own self be true.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:08 PM (aLDBr)

76 And in the end thats sums up Coulter for me too. No matter how brilliant she is or how right she may be in some cases she always pushes it too far and loses me.
Posted by a-a


Like a hot chick who farts just as you are about to help her complexion.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:10 PM (QTv8u)

77 Well, I liked this column, but that may be because I'm an actual constituent of Senator Retard. There is something literally wrong with this guy. He's incoherent, and he positively seems to get off pissing off his own side. He's like a toddler grinning with pride when he makes a stinky.

And, incidentally, he's on the record that he would seriously consider switching parties if it comes out 50/50. Laffey's no prize, but I'd gnaw off my voting arm before I voted Chafee, majority be damned.

Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:12 PM (1HKrT)

78

I agree completely with entropy, #71. I like Ann. In fact I find her brilliant.  Unfortunately, she does go over the line sometimes, and this was one of those times.


Or maybe she's making a point about double standards. Liberals can make docudramas about killing president Bush, etc,(see Michelle Malkin) but she can't make one silly quip about killing the wrong Lincoln.


I just don't like to see conservatives stoop to the same levels the libs do.


Posted by: Nice Deb at August 31, 2006 12:17 PM (woQK4)

79 I get tired of the calls for polite political discourse. It's un-American. Didn't someone get their skull cracked by another senator wielding a walking stick in the senate? Didn't Burr shoot Hamilton? I say: Fight! Fight! Fight!

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 12:21 PM (N1IMb)

80 The Title Was regrettable, but the actual article was SPOT-ON....

If a cooler editor's head had prevailed with Ann, it would have been a fine article.

Posted by: Nick Byram at August 31, 2006 12:23 PM (G556X)

81 Instead of inciting a heated debate over an important policy, or practice within the party and who the party nominates, she instead fills the common room with a dhin of indignation, and affrontery that dulls the valid messages heald by level heads, drowning out the important messages and in fact harming the cause rather than expanding understanding among those would otherwise agree were they allowed to hear the argument, only to find that they instead tune out the cacaphony of vitriol and insult that has replaced the previously studious discussion that is more representative of the group.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:23 PM (QTv8u)

82 DO you think Ann C has a brazilian or a welcome mat?

Posted by: Barry at August 31, 2006 12:26 PM (kKjaJ)

83 A smoothy.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 12:27 PM (QTv8u)

84 Just my opinion, but I'd say that Lincoln Chafee--who actually votes in the Senate--does more to "hurt the cause" than a caustic opinion columnist.

But then I shit my pants when somebody says something vaguely harsh.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:30 PM (aLDBr)

85 Instead of inciting a heated debate over an important policy, or practice within the party and who the part...blah blah blah....

Whatever. Wuss.

There. I said it.

Posted by: AFKAF at August 31, 2006 12:31 PM (JkloM)

86 There's a problem more basic than the "nastiness." This column is just plain poorly written. I'm talking syntax. Shit is SLOPPY.

Then there's brainfarts like this:

"Steve Laffey is the molecular opposite of Chafee:"

What does that mean? Nothing. But it sounds neat! Except it doesn't.

Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 12:31 PM (LgEUS)

87 The only thing wrong with the entire article were TWO words in the title: "They Shot".

Had Ann (or her editor) had the sense to just title it "The Wrong Lincoln", it would have been a fine and dandy article.

Posted by: Nick Byram at August 31, 2006 12:36 PM (G556X)

88 What does that mean? Nothing. But it sounds neat! Except it doesn't.

Jay-zus. It means that the two men are different at the very most basic and granular level. Wholly and totally different. Cut from a different cloth.

I'm not even that big a fan of Coulter but this bed wetting is a little embarrasing. She throws red meat to the faithful. Deal.

Posted by: at August 31, 2006 12:39 PM (JkloM)

89

rho, I'm not really following why you're so kicking mad.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 12:42 PM (b4o3y)

90 Bed wetting?

I'm not scared that Coulter is damaging The Cause, I just think she's gotten lazy over the years.

Slander? A good book. This crap she churns out now? Crap. Lazy, sloppy, dashed-off-at-the-last-minute drek.

Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 12:42 PM (LgEUS)

91 "Yes, the "Ann makes the Right look bad" routine.

Because, before Ann Coulter, they took the Right's arguments so seriously.

You crippled chumps"

Seems to me the Republicans did quite well winning elections without Ann's help. Some people must have been taking the arguements seriously. Ann needs Republicans a lot more than the other way around. Not pithy. Just true.

You can in fact be a leader, attract a following and win converts without being a caustic bitch. See Reagan, Ronald. Ann won't be the death of the conservative movement but she also is no leader. She's a sideshow, she knows it, and she's laughing all the way to the bank. Doesn't mean I have to fund her retirement.

Oh and Chafee and his dad are and always have been limp wristed twits who are to RI what the Kennedys are to MA. Anyone who lives up this way didn't need Ann to point it out. If you guys who claim to be the voice of the true conservative movement and big Ann fans, you might want to answer why the RNC has been running Laffey attack ads (as vicious as Ann) for months.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2006 12:46 PM (rnOZq)

92 I'm neither the voice of the true conservative movement nor a big Ann fan, but the RNC is running attack ads because they're incumbent-humpers. Believe me, it's having a very bad effect with local Republicans, which is not exactly a large and robust group to begin with. It is, how you say, Not Smart.

A worse mistake in the long run than shoring up Arlen Specter, which the RNC also did.

Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:49 PM (1HKrT)

93
Oh and Chafee and his dad are and always have been limp wristed twits who are to RI what the Kennedys are to MA.


Yes. And suggesting that our squishy Linc shot have been shot isn't going to do anyone on the right side of the spectrum a shred of good. Although John Chaffee wasn't this squishy, but that's another issue.

RI keeps electing Patrick Kennedy, for Christ's sake. Keeping the seat in the R column is the absolute best we can hope for. This idiocy doesn't help.

I'd love to see Laffey win, but it just isn't going to happen. Attacking Chaffee is an endorsement for Sheldon Whitehouse, like it or not.

Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (EErm0)

94 lauraw and geoff and sandy, but especially geoff, have the habit of being offended by harmless inflammatory commentary.

While the Howard Deans and Nancy Pelosis and George Soros' and Cindy Sheehans of the world are actively and openly planning the end of America as we know it, the lauraws and geoffs and aces of the world have their panties in a bunch over Ann Coulter speaking plainly in the media.

I'd rather focus my attention on the Muslim nut in Iran and his nuclear ambitions than whether Ann Coulter makes the Republican look bad with her irreverance to political correctness.

I'd rather focus my outrage towards the ACLU for trying to destroy America, lawsuit by lawsuit, than get upset when Ann Coulter acts too "Conservative."

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (GYhJZ)

95 Gotta say, I really expected to read that article and be disgusted.

Nope. Bad title, for sure. But the content seems pretty tame compared to some of the stuff she's written, and no less accurate than most of her stuff I've read (which, admittedly, is not a lot).

Yes she's blunt and tactless. That's her schtick.

I'm with Entropy and Rho on this one.

Posted by: krakatoa at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (gQXZE)

96 Ann Coulter, I think is just bored. She finds no challenge in stomping liberals in argument, so now its a matter of tearing into them, prodding them to react. She is essentially making them to do as she wishes to prove her points, my gripe with Ann is that she wastes her time with this crap, she's smart and talented enough to do much better and be more effective for the movement.

The Assassination thing is obnoxious, as was the raghead comment a few months back. I quit reading her for months after that. The dumb thing is childish, I do it too sometimes, but if I were in her position, I wouldn't.

Honestly, I'm pretty well disinterested in Coulter.

And I still don't know why people think she's all that attractive. Granted I'm not into blondes...


That said Slublog happy birthday, saw on your site, same as Richard Gere! You also said that hurt, yeah hamsters will do that...so sorry that was obligatory. I hear/see the words Richard Gere, the Lemmiwinks song immediately starts playing in my head. That episode was messed up.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (FUWRQ)

97 You're right, I should have jumped up and declared that I'm never reading Ann Coulter again because of her headline. That's six different ways of rational thought.

Hey Atomic Lamish: we've had complete Republican control of the House, Senate and Presidency for quite a while now. How's that going? Spending up? Check. Bigger government? Check. Taxes are down a bit, thanks for that, but proofing the Laffer Curve correct by spending like sailors in Thailand isn't what I was hoping for.

Best thing that happened to Republicans was Bill Clinton and a Democratic House. I'll trade Lincoln for some stiffer spines on the Republican side of the Senate. Thanks to the "checks and balances", the Senate can't run roughshod over the House and President. So what's your fucking damage, Heather?

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:54 PM (aLDBr)

98 Sheldon "Cut and Run" Whitehouse.

Better than Chaffee? Hell, no.

Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 12:56 PM (EErm0)

99 Well, now that we've seemed to attempt to take a deep breath and calm down...

Entropy, kindly back the fuck off. If you look at things I write on here, I largely agree that Linc Chafee is an awfully strange guy to call himself a Republican. I watch Ann in interviews and it becomes an O'Reilly screamfest where she circles around her talking points and does her best Howard Stern impression in terms of inciting a response. Is it effective? Sure, if the point is to inflame and end discussion.

shawn- given the fact that I only got to ask her a couple of general questions when I fucking interviewed her at a book signing due to having to have the tape back at the station, she has not personally disallowed me to disagree with her. Point conceded on technicality. Happy?

My gripe, as before, is the perceivable underlying implication in her writing that there is some sort of conservative high-bar one has to clear, and that those who do not swing quite so far to the right are somehow betraying the country.

I do not care for her writing, despite the fact that much of what she says I may agree with on principle. She has all the credentials she needs to be taken seriously, but her screeds to me sound as unhinged as any typical college professor I've interviewed... she just manages to have more factual accuracy. It ain't my thing.

So, before the high priests of the Coulter fan club, I genuflect, and beg permission not to salivate over her writing... or her attractiveness (which I thought was high until being up close and personal).

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at August 31, 2006 12:57 PM (QMGqM)

100 Pablo:
And suggesting that our squishy Linc shot have been shot isn't going to do anyone on the right side of the spectrum a shred of good.

As I said before: anybody who thinks Ann is seriously calling for somebody to shoot Lincoln Chafee is an idiot and is unworthy of debate.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 12:58 PM (aLDBr)

101 Rhode Island keeps electing Patrick Kennedy because the RNC doesn't field any candidate and doesn't support the candidates that field themselves. I got news for you, in an uncontested field, the outcome is inevitable. Guess who wins if you leave that spot blank?



Don't you think this year, of all years, Patrick would be vulnerable? Well, there are two candidates running on their own dime. You heard anything about them? They haven't a chance.



The GOP makes it quite clear it doesn't think it can win here and it doesn't care to try. How do you think that's going to come out? Every. Single. Time.

Posted by: S. Weasel at August 31, 2006 12:58 PM (1HKrT)

102 I think Bart sums up how I feel about Coulter the most. Bigger more liberal or terrorist fish to fry.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 01:01 PM (FUWRQ)

103 the lauraws and geoffs and aces of the world have their panties in a bunch over Ann Coulter speaking plainly in the media.

So, what you are realy saying, Bart, is that sandy goes commando? And how would you know that?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:03 PM (N1IMb)

104 "Loathe" I do not think that word means what she thinks it means.....

Posted by: Americano at August 31, 2006 01:04 PM (Zt8vv)

105 but especially geoff, have the habit of being offended by harmless inflammatory commentary.

It's not a habit as much as a predilection. And objectively it's certainly harmless, but it's used as a weapon against us in the media and blogosphere every day.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:07 PM (Id2DF)

106 I've never liked Ann Coulter.

My dislike of Ann Coulter isn't based on any complicated political calculations. It's simply because she really grates on me. Just as Bill O'Reilly and Pauly Shore do. I think Ann Coulter is a buffoon.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:07 PM (ePQxy)

107 Amish, you're wrong. Voting for moderate Republicans who vote anti-Conservative instead of the conservative Republican to keep out the Leftwing Democrats is a bad practice. It sends the wrong message to the rest of the Republican politicians.

We don't need a bunch of do-nothing politicians who, when they finally do something, concoct lousy legislation comprised of half-measures and bad policy.

That's why I don't care if Lamont wins. I don't want Lieberman to win, I want the Republican in Connecticut to win. If Lieberman wins with the Republican base's support, the entire national party will have just taken a step to the Left.

Do you want more McCains, Snowes, Collins', Chaffees, Hagels? Because of them, we don't have border security. Because of them, we don't have Social Security reform. Because of them, we're jumping through hoops at the UN. Because of them, we can't profile Muslim men at airports.


Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (qLobi)

108 Point conceded on technicality. Happy?

Hey, don't get snippy with me. You wrote: With Ann, it sure seems like rational people aren't allowed to disagree. At least I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were "rational." That being said, I see half the commentors disagreeing with Coulter. Your comment was over the top, which is what you are accusing Coulter of doing.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (N1IMb)

109 Yes--if what's actually said isn't to your liking, pretend it says something else and then mock it.

I'm beginning to understand why you don't like Ann Coulter a-a. It's because you're an intellectual gimp who enjoys strawmen arguments and red herrings and thinks that makes you right.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:11 PM (aLDBr)

110 Is there a problem other than the title? Is she even responsible for the titles of her columns? If it wasn't the title, wouldn't it be something else? Democrats did kill Abraham Lincoln, BTW.

Since it says open thread, I'll plug my new blog agian:

Gay Celebrity Crap

Comment's work on that one, I'm trying to get people to tell me what they learned from Snakes On A Plane.

Posted by: Dave Munger at August 31, 2006 01:13 PM (ebGbi)

111 Rho?

You fucking Ann?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:14 PM (QTv8u)

112 No, but I'm not afraid of her scawwy, scawwy words either.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:16 PM (aLDBr)

113 it's used as a weapon against us in the media and blogosphere every day.

So what? So F'n what. Are you worried that moonbats are going to think less of you? Are you worried that they will hate you more than they already do?

The trolls we get here are typical of the Left. We'll never be able to effectively co-govern with people who believe such craziness as terrorists are victims of society, the CIA planned 9/11, Israel is a terrorist nation, the UN is a great organization, America is an imperialist bully.

They hate us. They always will. The only thing we can do is stick to our principles and let the fruits of our actions be proof for the next generation.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:19 PM (qLobi)

114 I stopped liking O'Reilly when he started calling for a tax on SUVs. That point speaks volumes about the way he looks at the world. It was philosophically jumping the shark.

Ann has never jumped the shark. She's consistent. To that end, she pisses a lot of people off who would be fine with her if she was just "easier to get along with." But she doesn't strike me as a person who is trying to win a popularity contest. She's trying to get her points across. Her style is beauty + blunt force trauma. If you don't like it, change the channel.

She no more hurts the Republicans than Markos helps the Democrats. You can't say that they are equivalent: the audiences are founded on different principles. Coulter would hurt the Republicans, to the extent that she can, by lying or backing off her points. Markos would help the Dems by not lying and by sticking with his points (rather than targeting all over the geographical and philosophical map). But neither of them - by themselves - makes or breaks a candidate or a party.

There are bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: John at August 31, 2006 01:20 PM (Bt2Y1)

115 The trolls we get here are typical of the Left.

Yeah, but they're not typical of Democrat voters.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:21 PM (Cpse7)

116 Thats why I'm wondering if you are fucking her.

I don't disagree with you, but you came in being a bit of a jerky right off the bat.

I don't like ann when she does this, I wish she wouldn't, I don't find it offensive, I find it embarassing.

And I'm not Scawoed of her words, I just think she's being a bit of a bitch. I am just kinda startled by your rather viscious defense of her, as though we were attacking your piece.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:22 PM (QTv8u)

117 Oh, jesus, WP can you ever argue something without puting it into some ridiculous sexual context? You are not succeeding in putting rho on the defensive with this lame, are you fucking coulter, b.s.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:27 PM (N1IMb)

118 You are not succeeding in putting rho on the defensive with this lame, are you fucking coulter, b.s.
Posted by shawn


initial was just to be smartass, the followup has other aspects to it!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:28 PM (QTv8u)

119 Proves a pretty good point, though, didn't it? I was not ignored, and people weren't "turned off" by my aggressive stance. Or, rather, people who hadn't already made up their mind to hate Ann weren't turned off.

Amazingly, people read the words, figured out that half was bluster, half was for show, and came to their own conclusions. No worries about how the clever and always devious Left would spin it.

But some showed their true colors--those were the ones who used crass fearmongering and strawmen to make their points. I wouldn't trust those people. Nope.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:29 PM (aLDBr)

120 they're not typical of Democrat voters

Yes, they are, sandy. Ask the next Dem voter you see:

1) Do you think Republicans are racists?

2) Do you think rich people pay less, or no, taxes than you?

3) Do you think Republicans steal elections?

4) Do you think America is the greatest country?

What percentage do you think would answer those questions YES, YES, YES, and NO?

I'm thinking 80-90%.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:29 PM (qLobi)

121 Seriously, I don't think that Ann Coulter is all that harmful to the right in general. She's just very annoying. And me saying that she's annoying is obviously very annoying to some of you who like Ann Coulter. And the fact that you're annoyed that I'm annoyed by Ann Coulter is annoying to me. And no doubt my annoyance is annoying to you, but in an objective and, indeed, cosmic sense, people who find Ann Coulter annoying are clearly less annoying (and perhaps also less annoyed) than those who do not, but choose instead to be annoyed by those who find Ann Coulter annoying. And so on. You can see where I'm goin' with this.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:32 PM (ePQxy)

122 How about all those people who think 9/11 was an inside job? I don't think many are republicans. To me, that is the ultimate in hatred of this country.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (N1IMb)

123 Okay, rho, but you are a blustering blog commenter, who is not a fellow at a think tank, not a constitutional lawyer, not someone that news shows have on speed dial.

You are a nothing, just like the rest of us, and you speak only for yourself. Ann unfortunately has an adoring rolodex (kinda like a blackberry, but different) of newsies who can't wait to get her on their shows to embarrass us.

Thats the difference.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (QTv8u)

124 Whenever somebody says "by your logic", pull your socks up, there's a load of horseshit about to arrive. Destination: your feet.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:33 PM (aLDBr)

125 anybody who thinks Ann is seriously calling for somebody to shoot Lincoln Chafee is an idiot and is unworthy of debate.

She made it the title of her column for what is at best a stupid play on Chaffee's name. There's no funny in it, and there's certainly no smart in it.

It's nasty, and there's no deeper meaning to redeem it. I could see her point with the Jersey Girls. This is just foolish.

Posted by: Pablo at August 31, 2006 01:34 PM (EErm0)

126 You can see where I'm goin' with this.

Can you draw a Venn diagram?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:35 PM (N1IMb)

127 Are you worried that they will hate you more than they already do?

I'm worried that they'll swing the center. I'm worried that moderates, who we count on to be repulsed by excessive liberal rhetoric, will find this sort of conservative rhetoric equally repulsive. I certainly do.

In the best of worlds, conservatives enter into vigorous debates with their counterparts over the proper framework for guiding the country. At the end of those debates, you want the undecided participants and observers to feel like the conservative movement is worthy of their support and trust. Ann's latest works don't really convey that message.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:35 PM (Id2DF)

128 But some showed their true colors--those were the ones who used crass fearmongering and strawmen to make their points. I wouldn't trust those people. Nope.

Dude, this is like getting pissed off because you like Pink Floyd and your buddy thinks they suck.

Yeah, it's a bit more ideological than that, but not by much, really.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 01:36 PM (Uuy++)

129 I stopped liking Bill O RLY a while ago, the oil conspiracy quackery was near the tipping point. The stupidity with the thesaurus was the final straw. I now watch to see guests and make fun of Bill. Don't be a poppinjay...

I'd like to send him a letter,

Hey O RLY, I'd like to see you defenestrated for the annoying schtick using the stupid Thesaurus words.

Sinistar
Some crusty arcade



Ann Coulter would need a few sammiches to fill out to be an extra in Schindler's list.

That has no context anywhere. Needed to use the line.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 01:38 PM (FUWRQ)

130 See Rho?

Thanks to sany I'm reminded of the fact that I hate pink floyd almost as much as coulter.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:38 PM (QTv8u)

131 Did anyone actually find this column to be entertaining? The stupid headline aside, it's just drivel, in my opinion.

If you don't know anything about Chafee, what's funny about this? Who cares? It's just a bunch of generalized insults. Anyone can call someone else a moron. It takes no talent or creativity at all.

The best insults are specific to the target. Look back at some of the flame wars on AoS and think about the stuff that made you laugh the hardest. It's sure as hell not shit like, "I bet your horse kicked you in the head, idiot."

I love a good insult, but if you're going to be nasty about things it's important to bring teh funnay, you know? I don't mind nasty when coupled with a twinkle in the eye of the writer, but an entire column of concentrated bile is something I can do without. What utility am I gaining by reading it? I'm not any better for it. I'm not more knowledgable, nor am I amused.

If the goal is to simply get the lefties worked up into a state, then give me Greg Gutfield. There's no one better.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 01:39 PM (QWUn5)

132 Now it is a civilized discussion.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 31, 2006 01:40 PM (QTv8u)

133 Yeah, it's a bit more ideological than that, but not by much, really

The kind of thinking that goes into associating Ann Coulter, opinion columnist, with Stalin, who's ideological bent led to the killing of (roughly) 20 million people is the kind of thinking that leads to bad decisions. Like, oh, supporting a fairweather Republican because you're so frightened of the Democrats that you wet your pants. That's not who you want in the foxhole with you. IMHO, of course.

Wickedpinto, she's only embarrassing if you curl up and die because she says something sharp in a newspaper column. Dogs and Democrats can smell weakness--cowboy up, you fucking pussy.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 01:42 PM (aLDBr)

134 I kinda feel sorry for her.

She's made a good living doing what she does, but now there are hundreds of Coulter Clones, just as nasty as she is, snapping at her bony heels...and she can't really get any lower.

Cannibalism is still open, though...anyone advocating that yet?

Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 01:42 PM (unUeA)

135 Did anyone actually find this column to be entertaining?

I found it to be informative. I was unaware, or at least forgot, that Chafee voted against Alito. That tells me a lot.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:43 PM (N1IMb)

136 Here's the thing. Who the hell is gonna say "Gee, Bush Vs. Kerry....who should I vote for....well, Ann Coulter is a bitch, so I vote for Kerry"

No one.

But she gives republicans a bad image or something, right? Right? I mean, who's gonna argue that as of today (or whatever day that article was published) we can no longer tell the difference between the level of discourse on the right and on the left?

We can claim she's ticking off all sorts of moderates...but really, what kind of moderate moron is judging Bush and republicans based on Ann Coulter, of all people?

She's not THAT effective. She is however, effective. However many peopel she pisses off, do you wonder how many she rallies? She sells quite a few books after all. Apparently lots of people like her, they're not all aghast.

And besides not lying, the woman can be effective. Several people have pointed out the trick where the left tries to shield people from criticism with "moral superiority" of being a victim. No one listened. They were ignored.

Ann Coulter says the 9-11 widows are enjoying thier husbands death, BAM, now pundits all over the news on both sides are actually calling it into question when people try to use past tragedies to deflect current criticisms.

Everyone decried her for a week, but it worked. It got the damn message out. It shocked people into paying attention. Now, the stupidass comment is fading into memory but the point remains.

I don't know if this is gonna be a big controversy....I hope it is. I hope she's on all the damn talk shows and news cycles getting asked "HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!"

Because you know what will happen? People who never heard of Laffey will find out there's a primary in RI, and people who know nothing about Chafee will find out he's a goddamn moonbat pretending to be a republican. It will help Laffey. What Coulter does, does work. She gets attention. This pleases me.

Do I want to run this woman for president? Fuck no. Is it handy to keep around someone with her skills for when the time occaisionally calls for them? Yes.

And the Right upholds to PC speech codes more then the friggin left does. We throw our own overboard so damn quick it's amazing anyone is left.

I can't stand Lott, but demoting him over the birthday remark? Ridiculous and despicable and shamefully cowardly. Democrats like Biden or Clinton or Rangel say pretty much whatever the hell they want and no one blinks an eye.

Everyime a republican gets too gosh darn awful mean we're trying to chuck them into sea. We're stepping over ourselves to disassociate ourselves from them. Is it any wonder how our Senators act? They're pansies. You wouldn't beleive they had the majority if you didn't count them.

Yes, yes, I know, we're different from democrats, we hold ourselves to a higher standard, yadda yadda. Again, there are differences here. We could move a good far bit in that direction and still be nothing like them, and still be not equivalent to them. These equivalency arguments are bogus and the people saying them know that, because if they really beleived the difference was so small to begin with, that Ann Coulter can upset it, they wouldn't care that much. Just because they go overboard in one direction doesn't mean we aren't going overboard in other.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 01:43 PM (Uh5fR)

137 The troll du jour, monkyboy, agrees with geoff, lauraw, and sandy (and Warden!).

I rest my case, your honor.


Ha ha, bitches!

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:46 PM (qLobi)

138 Bart, guilt by association?

Weak.

David Duke is a Christian, you racist.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 01:49 PM (QWUn5)

139 Do you think "Ann Coulter" could be one of Dr. Frisch's 'sockpuppets?'

Food for thought & grounds for further investigation.

Posted by: anonymous at August 31, 2006 01:50 PM (3wTNM)

140 Bart! Be nice.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 01:50 PM (N1IMb)

141 Now you've hurt my feelings. I'm gonna tell Ace, and he's gonna come back and ride you like a silky pony.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 01:54 PM (Id2DF)

142 10 Modest Proposals for Ann:
Good Advice Then, Good Advice Now

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 31, 2006 01:54 PM (PcDvW)

143

I used to love her witty, well-crafted political savagery. Read and looked forward to her every column. Loved the red meat stuff after 9/11. I own the Ann Coulter doll. It was a gift from my husband.


But now she comes off to me as an unfunny jerk. Why is saying this such a sacrilege to you?


You're right, I should have jumped up and declared that I'm never reading Ann Coulter again because of her headline.


No, you enjoy her writing and I don't have any problems with people who enjoy it. I rudely criticized her but I didn't attack anybody else for liking her writing. You get no flames from me for having a simple disagreement based on taste.


I apologize if you think I was denigrating you personally. That was not my intent.


No, but I'm not afraid of her scawwy, scawwy words either.


Now who's the one bashing strawmen? Again; she strikes me as an unpleasant asshole these days. I do not fear her words. I miss her good game. This ain't it.


Your mileage may vary; why get all fucking riled up about it?


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 01:56 PM (DbybK)

144 Awww, don'y worry, I still love you homos and homo-ettes.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 01:59 PM (qLobi)

145 Your mileage may vary; why get all fucking riled up about it?

Are you typing with a straight face that you didn't know your post was guaranteed to start a free for all?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 02:01 PM (N1IMb)

146 Can you draw a Venn diagram?

Set A: wingnuts (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Set B: not wingnuts
Set C: veritable fonts of wisdom for our time

A.
shawn, Bart, rho, Ann Coulter, etc...
B.
Geoff, Amish, Wickedpinto, LauraW,C.
your old pal Sandyetc...The intersection of A and B is null, and C is a subset of B.

However, there is another set, which mathematicians refer to as "Set P":
P.
Spurwing PloverThe existence of this set and its relation to the above sets is known as the Spurwing Conjecture, and is one of the great unsolved problems in advanced mathematics, with implications for the fields of high energy physics and the social sciences.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (Cpse7)

147 To expand on Entropy's point about moderates, they're probably clueless about her. Partisanship is somewhat attributable to political awareness, people that are more politically aware are more partisan. Consistantly, so called moderates are ill informed or misinformed and the least politically in tune, which is why they are moderates, they're wishy washy, and probably don't know a damn thing about Ann Coulter. I'd dig up numbers on the moderates, but the books in my attic, and its probably a bajillion degrees in there.

Moderates aren't reliable, which is why you are seeing stronger partisanship, you go nowhere without the base, and the base feels empowered in the intarweb age. The base knows it can always threaten to go home, as its doing somewhat for our side now, and let the Dems hold power for two years as punishment.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (FUWRQ)

148 I'm sorry, did you miss the parts where Wickedpinto and a-a (among others) suggested that Ann was doing damage to our, ahem, "moral high ground" and relations with "people with casual politics"? Or whatever? I know I'm arguing with a half-dozen people, and while it doesn't faze me, it may confuse you--do try to keep up.

I don't think you were denigrating me; I think you were saying "boy, that Ann, she's gone too far this time, with her largely true article with an uncomfortable headline!" I think that's crap. You disagree?

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (aLDBr)

149

I thought it might create some chatter, but not this.


And Bart, I love you too, even though you're somewhat of a Coulter.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:05 PM (DbybK)

150 That's cute, sandy. But you intentionally omitted monkyboy and Deb Frissh from Set B.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:09 PM (qLobi)

151 The intersection of A and B is null, and C is a subset of B.

Thanks . . . I think. lol!

I thought it might create some chatter, but not this.

I guess you based that on all the previous AC threads on AoSHQ, which could only be characterized as, ahem, sedate.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 02:12 PM (N1IMb)

152 Oh? I thought with the update you sounded defensive. Am I wrong?

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:12 PM (aLDBr)

153 Sooooo, how bout them Knicks?

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:13 PM (FUWRQ)

154 I'm sure that Deb Frisch would agree with you, Bart, that no attack is over the line when debating politics.

All my love,
X0X0X

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 02:14 PM (rkK3q)

155 For what it's worth, I didn't respond to the initial article. There's nothing outrageous there. You have a fine opinion, I have a different one.

But the level on hyperbole aimed at Coulter in the comments was getting as ridiculous as Coulter herself, which is....let's say, ironic.

And as I said above in the very long rant which no one will read because it's too long, everytime I turn around Conservatives are tripping over themselves to attack thier own, because we're all afraid of pissing off liberal voters. At this point, Ann Coulter saying something ridiculous and slightly offensive is hardly anything new. It's not as devestating as some think it is. It will not send moderates and unicorns and other mythical creatures into spastic fits, following by fleeing to democrats.

The level of partisan discourse is about the 682 most important issue facing this country, and if you settled the first 681 it would go away by itself.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:14 PM (Uh5fR)

156 Laura, you shoulda known Coulter would stir up some dust. I'm surprised its THIS tame.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:15 PM (FUWRQ)

157 Look, we can argue until the cows come home about about whether or not Ann Coulter is hurting the right-wing movement by association. But one thing I think we can all agree on is that Bart surely is.

I, for one, call on all prominent republicans to have a "Sister Souljah moment" and denounce Bart, for the good of this country.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 02:15 PM (ePQxy)

158 Birdzilla, too.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:23 PM (qLobi)

159 because we're all afraid of pissing off liberal voters.

I've seen you argue this several different times in this thread, Entropy. Speaking only for myself, I could give a flying rat fuck what leftists think of me. I know who and what they are and don't hold enough respect for them to concern myself with whatever rattles around in their maladjusted psyches when they see me coming.

I just happen to think Ann is pretty much an asshole these days. I don't enjoy her writing and don't believe that she represents any cause other than her own pocketbook. Her friendship with a world class asshole like Bill Maher says a lot about her,in my opinion. Personally, I don't hang with serial liars. I wonder why she's ok with it?

(Yes, Bart. Guilt by association. Except that it's not an association of opinion, in this case but of friendship. And I do judge those by the company they keep.)

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 02:23 PM (rkK3q)

160 It's Slub's birthday?

Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday to you!
Happy birthday dear Slub------log!
Happy birthday to you!



Mine is on Saturday. I'm, older.
kevlarchick's was Monday. She's, younger.

I feel like singing another song.

We are the world....

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 31, 2006 02:25 PM (q4pY6)

161

rho, I was literally giggling when I put the update up. I thought this whole thing was funny...at first.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:26 PM (DbybK)

162 Bitching about partisanship is what liberals do when they start to lose an argument.

Entropy and I are on the same page on this one. I'll word it my way though. We cannibalize ourselves because agaain we let the left dictate OUR moral standards.

The Orthodoxy Doctrine strikes again. The left uses our own sense of ethics to try to hold us to a paralyzingly rigid doctrine, and we accept it, making it near impossible to fight effectively. Same thing they did in Nam, and what they're trying to do in Iraq, and what they'll do in domestic politics if we allow them to. Ann's not above criticism, but lets be smart, not just throw her off the bus because libs tell us she's embarassing.

I say again, Fuck the Doctrine, I play to win.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:27 PM (FUWRQ)

163

...and then you jumped ugly, and then somebody else said that Coulter gets more cock than me.


And that wounds, man.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:28 PM (DbybK)

164 Happy birthday Slubs.

Yes Dave, I am "younger." Thanks.

Posted by: kevlarchick at August 31, 2006 02:31 PM (mCza6)

165 Sinistar said it better then I did.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:32 PM (Uh5fR)

166 In fact, Sinistar, I was thinking about what you said about boys who get attacked in schools with 0 tolerance policies being like Israel.

Conservatives are Israel.

Ann has just blown up 3 children.

Hezbollah was in the building - I don't give a fuck.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 02:35 PM (Uh5fR)

167 "And as I said above in the very long rant which no one will read because it's too long, everytime I turn around Conservatives are tripping over themselves to attack thier own, because we're all afraid of pissing off liberal voters."


Small correction. I don't give a wet fart what liberals think of Ann or if they are pissed off at what she says. I don't like the way she says things even if agree with some of the points she is trying to make. Period.

I may have a problem with someone and argue with them on merits. But if I sink to the level of over the top hyperbole and stupid insults my arguements lose impact. So do hers. It's that simple.

Personally, I'm a little more amused by the people who reflexively defend Ann as if she is someone of merit. She's just a columnist/author and none of you are going to get to hit it.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2006 02:36 PM (rnOZq)

168 Entropy and I...cannibalize ourselves

Sinistar, I was thinking about...you.

Okay, H-Mo's, get a room.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 02:39 PM (qLobi)

169

I don't think you were denigrating me; I think you were saying "boy, that Ann, she's gone too far this time, with her largely true article with an uncomfortable headline!" I think that's crap. You disagree?


Jesus Christ.


She's a boor. She has lost her brilliant crackle, her style. She found eight ways to call somebody a big stupidhead. A jerk who agrees with me is still a jerk.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:41 PM (DbybK)

170 Er, what JackStraw said.

Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 02:43 PM (DbybK)

171 Nice editing Bart, you bastard.

We're still right though.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 02:45 PM (FUWRQ)

172 You often giggle at boors? Or do you prefer to appear to be incongruous with your own statements?

You didn't sound like you were giggling when you posted. When called on it, you got defensive. Now you say she's a boor who's lost her style and, I assume, has gotten boring. Yet you were giggling? Yeah, that makes sense.

My guess--you read the headline, thought "what will other people think of me if I don't denounce it right away", and did so. That's a guess. It happens to be in keeping with what you've written, at least by my interpretation. It helps that a lot of other people are willing to throw over Ann because they think she endorses "ideological purity"--ironic that, eh?--and not a few who wish this whole debate would go away because their previous statements sound kind of stupid when examined.

But, it's just a moronblog. So yeah, whatever.

Posted by: rho at August 31, 2006 02:50 PM (aLDBr)

173 I often giggle at boars.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 03:03 PM (K2rlS)

174 And the buzz is just getting going:

From E&P: "Ann Coulter periodically "jokes" about the deaths of certain liberals and other enemies but this week the killing reference appears right in the headline of her column."

From Winds of Change: "Look, she's a source of amusement to a lot of people, but I've got to say - I'm not amused, I'm disgusted. She's not a random comment troll at DU, she's a best-selling author. What exactly does she have to do to get shunned? How far does she have to go?"

From Media Matters (yuk): "This is not the first time Coulter has alluded to killing those she disagrees with"

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:14 PM (Id2DF)

175 You either like Ann or don't. You either think she is too harsh and caustic or go Hoo-Yah when you read a great slam by her. Minds and opinions on Ann are not going to be changed, she is like sHillary Clinton in that regard, you love or hate. But demonizing someone, that is a conservative, because they like her and her writting style is not right. The points she makes are right on, even if she does use harsh language to make them. You can't argue with the context of her articles, just how she says it.

Personally, I like Ann, and her style. I have read her books (including her latest) and enjoyed the way she beats the Liberals down, but that is just me.

So, to summarize, you either like or not, minds won't be changed

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 31, 2006 03:16 PM (d9Vel)

176 I, for one, call on all prominent republicans to have a "Sister Souljah moment" and denounce Bart, for the good of this country

Already done - on grounds of culinary insanity.

I sorta like Ann, but when I think of Bart's version of Bananas Foster, I realize I'm going to have to reconsider.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 03:23 PM (DtIRb)

177 That was Froggy from Blackfive who said that about AC getting more cock than lauraw. That was not only an ugly and off-topic thing to say, but, going WAY out on a limb here, probably factually inaccurate (just going on married vs single rates).

Plus, it's a little tone deaf to publicly compliment a single woman like Coulter on how much she gets laid, in effect calling her a slut.

Posted by: stace at August 31, 2006 03:23 PM (A56/D)

178 Guilt by association. Except that it's not an association of opinion, in this case but of friendship. And I do judge those by the company they keep.

Bush Sr. & Bill Clinton.
Ted Kennedy & that sen. from Utah whose name I can't remember.
JeffG & Jeralyn.

Are Bush, noname, and JeffG all assholes?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:25 PM (N1IMb)

179 Geoff, it will help Laffey if it does. The man needs exposure. Coulter defending the comment on every show on TV by talking about what a liberal Chafee is, will get it.

Anyone who thinks that the title was outrageous and unacceptable and wrong and over the line, vulgar, uncouth, assholish, whatever:

Let me ask you this, how do you feel about Chappaquidick cracks?

Kennedy Drank, Mary Jo Sank

"Mary Jo Sank", of course, callously referring to a young, 20 something woman who spend as much as two hours trapped in a submerged car before drowning to death.

Copacetic? Or despicable?

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 03:26 PM (Uh5fR)

180 You either like Ann or don't

That's not my position at all - I liked a lot of her earlier work and own one of her books. But as she got more strident I lost interest.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:27 PM (Id2DF)

181
Let me ask you this, how do you feel about Chappaquidick cracks?


I think they're pretty old and tired. I wince every time I see one. There's plenty of recent grotesquerie on Kennedy's part without reaching back that far.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:29 PM (Id2DF)

182 when I think of Bart's version of Bananas Foster...

max, do you like pie?

Can you smell...la la la la la la la...

what the Rock is cooking?

Seriously, what do you have against pie?

Posted by: The Rock at August 31, 2006 03:29 PM (qLobi)

183 More important questions:

Carnivale Season One or Deadwood Season Two?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:32 PM (N1IMb)

184 Wingnuts vs. Moonbats!

What a crappy poll. OBL is not like the Hitler of our time - he's like the Trotsky or Lenin of our time.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 03:32 PM (Id2DF)

185 Never watched Deadwood. I did enjoy Carnivale.

House is a great show, too.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 03:37 PM (qLobi)

186 Bush Sr. & Bill Clinton.
Ted Kennedy & that sen. from Utah whose name I can't remember.
JeffG & Jeralyn.


Are Bush, noname, and JeffG all assholes?

I can't comment on any but the first, but yeah, when Bush Sr started hanging around Clinton it made me question his own character.

You can judge someone plenty by the company they keep. Most of the people I respect and/or admire surround themselves with people of good character.

I don't hang out with liars, thieves, wifebeaters, and other assorted shitheads. Those aren't my values. Birds of a feather....

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:41 PM (QWUn5)

187 Similarly, I feel free to be suspicious of Kevin from Wizbang's ethics for allowing an openly dishonest shit like Paul to co-blog alongside him.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:47 PM (QWUn5)

188 Bart: What's House about?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 03:48 PM (N1IMb)

189 One of the reasons I'm comfortable being a regular here is my sense that Ace is a genuinely decent guy who always makes a good faith effort toward correcting his mistakes.

If ace were habitually dishonest in his style of argument or made a habit of editing comments he didn't like, I'd find another blog.

I'm not going to ever embarrass myself trying to defend someone else's dishonesty.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 03:49 PM (QWUn5)

190

rho, I was surfing around for something to post today when it became clear that Ace was still away, and found this headline. I shook my head and smiled, Ann never stops with the bullshit these days. Good enough. Put it up there. I was on a chat with someone else, laughing about her.


what will other people think of me if I don't denounce it right away", and did so.


Guy, I don't remember even ever having been involved much with the other Coulter threads that Ace posted. Does this really sound like me? Like I always have to register my oh-so-very-important opprobrium or else your fucking world will stop spinning?


That's not me.


Posted by: lauraw at August 31, 2006 03:50 PM (6YRS5)

191 shawnee, House is about a brilliant diagnostician MD named Greg House.

House always as something sarcastic to say to his colleagues, his boss, his patients, and anyone else he encounters. The writing, in my opinion, is superb.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 03:53 PM (qLobi)

192 I like House.

It's about a mean-spirited, cynical, sarcastic, but brilliant doctor.

It's sorta like Ann Coulter M.D.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 03:59 PM (Uh5fR)

193 Bart: I found it. I hate medical show but always loved Hugh Laurie. Use to be a big fan of Fry and Laurie.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:01 PM (N1IMb)

194 Just to keep the right-on-right love going:

I think Bush Sr. was a bad president. Reagan chose poorly. Fortunately, Dubya has vision and values which his father lacked.

Posted by: sandy burger at August 31, 2006 04:03 PM (Cpse7)

195 This isn't ER, shawn, it's much better.

And, I loved Jeeves and Wooster. Fry and Laurie were frickin great on Black Adder.

Black Adder was one of those shows that assembled the perfect cast.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:05 PM (qLobi)

196 I dunno, Warden. I'm sure everyone will jump all over me for this, but I think you are taking this too seriously. You don't know people as well as you think you do just by shooting the breeze with them on a blog.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:05 PM (N1IMb)

197 I think one, or both, of Fry and Laurie are out-of-the-closet pickle smokers.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:06 PM (qLobi)

198 I met the guy who was in BlackAdder and Stephen Fry on the ferry from France to the UK years ago. I had no idea who they were but they were very nice.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:08 PM (N1IMb)

199 OK, pop quiz time, folks. Which is worse:

(a) Ann Coulter writing nasty things about Democrats

or

(b) George Bush's support of an asswipe like Lincon Chafee, who votes like a Democrat 90% of the time.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (jqv3S)

200 If you are insinuating that one of them is gay, it's Fry. Why? Are you worried that one of them will smoke your pickle?

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (N1IMb)

201 wow, sandy,

Are you saying Bush is a better person than his dad?

Can you explain why Bush sr. was such a success in life, and lil' Bush such a loser?

I see Coulter's book isn't even in the top 200 selling books on Amazon...ouch.

No wonder she's so desperate to stir up sales...she probably can't make the mortgage payment on the mansion she bought at the top of the housing bubble...

Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 04:10 PM (unUeA)

202 It's sorta like Ann Coulter M.D.

lol! Pitch it to Ace.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:12 PM (N1IMb)

203 OK, pop quiz time, folks. Which is worse:

c) a boot to the head

...and one for monkyboy.

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:13 PM (Id2DF)

204 I'm always worried about guys smoking my pickle. Not a day goes by when a gay asks to smoke my pickle. My pickle is smokable -- it's my gift, and my curse.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:13 PM (qLobi)

205 He tries, but he's no Ann Coulter.

I give him a D+.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:18 PM (Uh5fR)

206 OK, pop quiz time, folks. Which is worse:

d) Steve Spurrier leaving Florida, failing as head coach of the Redskins, then going to coach South Carolina.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:21 PM (qLobi)

207 "I'm...about...guys smoking my pickle"---Bart.

Perv.

Posted by: Jack M. at August 31, 2006 04:22 PM (Jb1EJ)

208 think you are taking this too seriously.

Taking what too seriously? That I don't like Ann Coulter? I'm not getting worked up over it at all. If you'll notice, I've steered wide of the ensuing flame war. I've just been posting my opinion.

You don't know people as well as you think you do just by shooting the breeze with them on a blog.

The only person that I commented on from my blog experience was Kevin from Wizbang. No, I don't think I can see into his soul, but anyone who would tolerate a co-bloggers selective editing of comments to make people who disagree with him look bad is someone I'll never trust.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 04:22 PM (QWUn5)

209 touche, JackM.

That medicine sure is sour.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:25 PM (qLobi)

210 My pickle is smokable -- it's my gift, and my curse.

Disguise your gherkin with a merkin

My gherkin with merkin?

Yes, the gherkin with the merkin stops the lurkin' and the jerkin'.

Let me be certain: the gherkin with the merkin stops the gherkin workin'?

No! If you're shirkin' the merkin your gherkin will be workin'!

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:29 PM (Id2DF)

211 You wanna talk about psycho? Can we start bitching about Debbie the Fucktard Schlussel now?

Beth, you bad, bad girl... I Googled "Debbie the Fucktard Schlussel" and got sent on a 2-hour tour of fucktard porn: Now Ima hafta have an exorcist come over and burn the imgaes off my brain!

Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 04:29 PM (DHWob)

212 What's that from, geoff?

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:33 PM (qLobi)

213 Having a character who spouts asshole comments all day is silly and unrealistic.

I dunno, Amish, some people seem to pull it off.

Posted by: at August 31, 2006 04:43 PM (qLobi)

214 Let's take a poll.

Like Coulter and like House

Hate Coulter and hate House.

Hate one but not the other.

I speculate that the 3rd group will practically nonexistant. At least, so long as you don't include lefties or moderate unicorns.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:44 PM (Uh5fR)

215 Having a character who spouts asshole comments all day is silly and unrealistic.

I dunno a-a, Ive worked with attending docs in teaching nospitals that are just like him. Assholes all the way: they couldn't survivie in a real hospital, so they stay on in teaching hospitals and mainly torture residents. They leave the nurses alone, for the most part btw because they would get the asses handed to them (which is why I don't watch Grey's Anatomy.)

Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 04:49 PM (DHWob)

216 Ent,

Put me down as indifferent to both...I understand the product they are selling...just not that interested.

Big fan of Blackadder, though.

Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 04:51 PM (unUeA)

217 The title is unfortuante but I agree with everything
she wrote about Chafee. He is an idiotic trust fund baby.

Posted by: Kwai Chang Caine at August 31, 2006 04:51 PM (/qozD)

218

Look, if that man was saving your life,  you'd take all his bullshit and you'd like it, Mr lose-the-principles-and-live-to-fight-another-day. Because House may be rough on the outside, but inside, he really cares, man.  He really cares.


And knowing is half the battle.


Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 04:52 PM (Uh5fR)

219 What's that from, geoff?

It's supposed to be a takeoff on the famous Danny Kaye riff in The Court Jester:Hawkins: I've got it! The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?
Griselda: ...but there's been a change: they broke the chalice from the palace...
Hawkins: They broke the chalice from the palace?
Griselda: ...and replaced it. With a flagon.
Hawkins: A flagon?
Griselda: With the figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: ...but did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon! The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that!

Posted by: geoff at August 31, 2006 04:54 PM (Id2DF)

220 Oh, then well done, g.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 04:57 PM (qLobi)

221 "If I had some fake tanner, I'd like to play Che Guevara. I think I kind of look like him except for my skin tone. He's one of my idols." -- Nick Stahl

Not sure that I want to give this asshole my money.

Posted by: shawn at August 31, 2006 04:59 PM (N1IMb)

222 Who the hell is Nick Stahl?

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:08 PM (Uh5fR)

223 It'll be interesting to see if on the day that Iran launches we'll be rebuking Ann Coulter for calling Ahmidinijihad a crazy raghead.

Posted by: Bart at August 31, 2006 05:12 PM (qLobi)

224 I like House and dislike Coulter('s descent into lameness over the last few years).

But then again, I'm a RINO.

Posted by: Knemon at August 31, 2006 05:21 PM (LgEUS)

225 Beth, did the Schlussel go after you too with a lawsuit threat?

Can't stand her. I don't want to get into it too much.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:22 PM (FUWRQ)

226 Well if you watched the show, you're know that several patients have beaten the crap out of him.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:22 PM (Uh5fR)

227 wow.  long thread.

comments:
if you have a hard time with someone saying raghead, (i know, ironic that bart uses the word in a comment just above) you need to grow a damned spine.  Can't recall who was the shrinking violet, but be ashamed.

applaud entropy and sinistar's point re: republicans being a bunch of weak-kneed PC, limp-spined sycophants.  God it's depressing.  Grow up and learn to handle tough issues and sharp ideas folks.

I get depressed seeing all the silly ninnies fret about how someone will be perceived if they have a sharp tongue.  if the underlying point is true, it will leave a mark; otherwise, it will turn people off.  Most americans aren't a bunch of self-censoring cowards as the commentariat pussies.


Posted by: slackmac at August 31, 2006 05:25 PM (3bFaP)

228 I loved Jeeves and Wooster.

Me too, even though really Laurie was too old to be playing Bertie and Fry was far too young to be playing Jeeves. Eh, it rules anyway.

Posted by: Meekrob at August 31, 2006 05:31 PM (9HeGK)

229 I have no problem with the column. I can't believe almost 250 comments! I didn't read them all, but I got the idea from the first 100. Liberals will always call us mean-spirited, always say we're questioning their patriotism, always say we're playing dirty when all we do is quote them. I enjoy Ann precisely because she does what she does. It's the same with Rush. If the facts didn't back them up I would abandon them. Personally, I think Ann is an asset, not a liability. People who really think about things (not just reflexively jump to whatever their default is) can examine what she says and come to their own conclusions. And I would not hit it because I am already happily married to a hot blond conservative chick.

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at August 31, 2006 05:33 PM (fEnUg)

230 "UPDATE II: Did a search of this site with the keyword 'coulter.'"

Good tip. Found this -

"hooray for Miss Coulter." - Mark Steyn.

Now,....you can argue with Mark Steyn if you want to, I spose, but you can never beat him.

Mark Steyn ends all arguments. He's definitive on any subject. Game over man. I win.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 05:35 PM (Uh5fR)

231 I'm pretty sure no one is still reading this, but if someone is, I have a theory about Coulter. Perhaps you've all hashed this out, but I continue to think, have always believed, she's a parody of the left and she does it on purpose.

Since Reagan, the left has been allowed to claim the most amazingly outrageous things about Republicans and conservatives with seeming impunity in the media.

Remember the Gingrich who stole Christmas? Old people living on dog food if Republicans are elected? OF course the right tries to take the high moral ground and gets pummeled for all their good intentions. It's the right strategy, just as it is a losing strategy in the American Idol percentage of the populace.

And I think Ann wondered out loud to herself, what if the right got over itself and just blew all that nonsense off and actually said the same kinds of way over the top things the left says as a matter of course while paying absolutely no price whatsoever.

We all know she's going to pay and pay big for it under the glare of the media spotlight, but as she does she actually forces the lame media to grudgingly acknowledge the ridiculous hyperbole on the left because she's out there point it out. And when it's brought up, other conservatives feel compelled to point it out as well, even if they don't agree with her.

I think her schtick is trying to, as closely as possible, immitate absurd lefty language in order to highlight it and point out the media never mentions the left's craziness, but goes for her throat. I think it's working.

I'm also not a "get in the mud and roll with the pigs" kinda gal, so I think she's often way too far out there, but I think it's crafty madness. And even if she fails with the media, she gives conservatives who are sick and tired of all the moralistic tongue-lashings, the crack back atcha and btw, kiss my ass they need to soldier on in the face of withering media manipulation and double standard.

And she get's rich in the process. Dumb, she ain't.

Posted by: Lana at August 31, 2006 05:37 PM (KEpIO)

232 Mac: Heh, I was one that was disagreeable with the raghead line. Quit reading her for a while for it. I think its a slur and she's above it, if I have an issue with Al Sharpton, I don't call him a racial slur.

Calling them ragheads is just not the way to go. Some things are just too crude to be acceptable, crude racial and religious slurs being one of them. However, I'm not advocating throwing her under the bus as some are always ready to.

I'm for some standards, and I acted accordingly, I quit reading her for a while, but I'm not pounding my chest and demanding her head on a platter because she offended my sensibilties one time.

Sounds like I'm one for one for you...

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:41 PM (FUWRQ)

233 Lana,

We're still reading this and shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, we dont want the left to know about the vast right wing thingie.

Posted by: Kanelin at August 31, 2006 05:43 PM (DHWob)

234 House is awesome!

He's so bitter. My sister got into House, and got me hooked.

My favorite was the Syphilitic Granny, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Amish: Blah Blah Hate Fresh Prince of BelAir...

Amishes Just Don't Understand...

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 05:49 PM (FUWRQ)

235 Most americans aren't a bunch of self-censoring cowards as the commentariat pussies.

And yet another brave word warrior conflates behaving like an asshole with being a hardass.

Ohhh...sharp tongue! Whatever, pal. You wouldn't know tough until it knocked you on your ass.

Posted by: Warden at August 31, 2006 05:51 PM (QWUn5)

236 This thread isn't long enough so I thought I'd add my serious thoughts about Ann:

1. One percent of what she says is way over the top and one half of that one percent should not be said - wishing violent death on someone, even if meant in jest. It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake.

2. She reminds me on a personal level in some ways of Maureen Dowd - starved to near perfection, and appearing to me to be essentially lonely.

Both have put their careers way ahead lof their personal life, have been extremely successful and yet imo do not appear to have anything resembling inner peace or happiness. Or to put it another way, someone told them God is a resume and they believed it.

Although they both would hate this, my reaction to them is one of pity - so successful, so in control and yet so essentially alone, and yet afraid to love someone if only because then they'd loss control.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 05:55 PM (ut95J)

237 Amish is just pissed off because Coulter gave him the clap and he can't figgure out how to spoof Pixie's comment tags so he can't fake troll anymore.

Larry the U? Banned? Nah. It was Amish all along.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:02 PM (Uh5fR)

238 Max is just pissed off because Coulter won't give him the clap.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:04 PM (Uh5fR)

239 Max is just pissed off because Coulter won't give him the clap.

Ent,

So Ann has the clap?

And here I was thinking you liked Ann. I guess Geoff, Warden and the others at the high IQ end of the Ace o' Spades swimming pool showed you the light.

Seriously, I like all but one percent of Ann - and as I said when she goes overboard, it's not a crime, it's a mistake.


Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 06:15 PM (ut95J)

240 Max, you're close, for Ann, its about purity of philosophy. She always is testing, she has to challenge, in her mind, she is intellectually the conservative nirvana. Notice reading her, she always rails against conservatives that throw controversial conservatives under the bus.

She's doing it in this article actually, with the real conservative, she's railing against conservatives that abandoned him for the Chafee hedge bet.

Throwing Ann under the bus isn't useful for us, and I believe those that want to are falling prey to the Perfect Orthodoxy Doctrine, as I discussed earlier. Which is why I'm against doing it. It also proves to Ann what she believes in her heart, she is the purest conservative, she'll self destruct from there, it sucks to be alone. It'll be like star dying, not good to be anywhere near.

I understand we're stuck with Linc, and many of our congressional morons, or we have the Dems fucking up the works. Ann may be a POD-aire as well, she allows herself to follow a rigid doctrine. It makes you static. I'm a more Machiavellian minded guy.

Actually I'd like to be a more Churchillian guy, particularly the Churchill diet, fine cigars and brandy.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 06:24 PM (FUWRQ)

241 And when I say she won't give you the clap, it's not serious, it's a joke.

And when I say it's a joke, I mean you are a homosexual.*

*joking again

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:25 PM (Uh5fR)

242 I've said it once, I'll say it again. Rachael Ray should have the earth open beneath her, and demons should drag her annoying ass to the fiery depths of hell.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 06:34 PM (FUWRQ)

243 And when I say it's a joke, I mean you are a homosexual.*

*joking again


I think you're confusing me with Bart.*

*Of course not joking.*

*Unless Bart reads this after he finishes playing with his inflatable Maureen Dowd doll, in which case then I'm definitely not joking.

Posted by: max at August 31, 2006 06:38 PM (ut95J)

244 I understand we're stuck with Linc

That's just defeatist talk. Why, if I could reach across the intratubes, I would slap you.

Really though...Is New Jersey a possible play? How bout Pennsylvania? Have demographics changed that much? I understand there are specific circumstances involved..9/11, democratic corruption and convictions, ect.

But none of that has changed anything in Chicago. And how did the hell are republicans winning in New York city?

And how did California go from solid red, to uber-solid blue, and now with a red governor again, in a span of oh, less then 16 years?

I know the conventional wisdom and all that. I don't neccessarily buy it.

I've entertained the idea that there are no red states or blue states. Any state has enough conservatives in it to crush normal democrat turnouts in a landslide ass-whooping if they all actually voted. Any state has enough liberals in it to crush normal republican turnouts in a landslide ass-whooping if they all actually voted.

Any political analyst will tell you what a bad effect percieved inevitability has. That's why exit polls create such a raucus. If you get the idea your guy is getting stomped, you probably won't even bother to go suffer the traffic and lines.

When everyone's sure they're in a (insert color) state, the opposite party just doesn't try. They don't turn out because they don't think it's even possible.

But one need look not too far back to mondale to see the GOP has the potential to win in any state, whatsoever. You just have to actually appeal to voters and then get them to turn out.

And the RINOs we run in "blue" states is just completely counterproductive to that purpose.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:38 PM (Uh5fR)

245

#237 poll: On Coulter: Me likey. On House: Never heard of it. Am I out of it, or what?


It seems like at least a couple of people started out liking Ann, but got turned off when she became increasingly strident. I think Ann's modus Operandi is to grab people's attention by being a bit outrageous. As the stakes in recent years have gotten higher, (with the GWOT), she has almost desperately become more strident to get people to pay attention. A couple of months ago, my mom, my sister (a moderate if ever there was one) and I were talking about Ann's latest comments, (the stuff about the 9/11 widows). I had expected my sister to be aghast, but she wasn't really, and she got Ann's point. So, that's her strategy. I just think she should steer clear of wishing people dead. That seems like DU territory, to me.


Posted by: Nice Deb at August 31, 2006 06:43 PM (woQK4)

246 Hell, look at Illinois.

They keep running RINOs because it's a blue state, and conservatives can't win.

But the RINOs keep friggin loosing to democrats. Gosh, can't imagine why.

Meanwhile, whenever a conservative does run, he, *gasp* wins. In a "blue" state. Yet, no one seems to grasp it in the IL state GOP party and the very next cycle they're trying to push more RINOs.

Republicans were all Lincoln Chafee's, and they couldn't get elected for half a damn century until conservatives started running.

Yet we keep forgetting the lesson that we just learned for the umpteenth time.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 06:48 PM (Uh5fR)

247 You may be right, Entropy, but for the now, we ARE stuck with Linc and RINOs. Its what the powers that be have decided this election. I agree real cons need to be supported and ran long term, but right now for 06 its too late, we gotta run with Linc and run hard. Ann's griping about what shoulda been, I'm saying we play with the hand dealt, and try to stack the deck next time.

The real problem is the PA RNC is fucking up on a state level. Conservatives are absolutely competative in PA, but the RNC here is a bunch of RINOs that won't support it, or isn't really interested in anything but feasting at the teat of the taxpayer. We'll lose PA if we don't change in the next decade.

I guess I have a pretty pessimistic view of New Englanders Chigago Detroit and the Left coast, which may be why I was resigned to Linc. I look at them like Philly, just hopelessly liberal. I always felt it would be best to contain the left there, and let them collapse like the USSR.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:11 PM (FUWRQ)

248 Do you guys really see Coulter as something more than a performer in a WWF-like entertainment show?

i.e., Do you really think she's in it for something more than the money?

Posted by: monkyboy at August 31, 2006 07:13 PM (unUeA)

249 > Guy, I don't remember even ever having been involved much with the other Coulter threads that Ace posted.

That wasn't me, that was Rho.

Heh!

Posted by: Guy T. at August 31, 2006 07:16 PM (r7Q8e)

250

See, I live in Chicago.


We have (non RINO) republican congresmen here. Denny Hastert? I mean, he's no Mike Pence, but he's closer to that then Lincoln Chafee. Hastert isn't from downstate, he's Chicago Metro (5 counties) area.


And we elected Fitzgerald as Senator right after Carol Mosely Braun.


And the state party is goddamn joke, a total joke. And yet they still score these victories from time to time.


Same deal with the left coast, they've elected conservatives. What you say about PA, I think applies to RI.


We need to start pushing conservatives in RI now, even if they loose, if we want to win  in the future. People aren't neccessarily going to get the message the first time around that the party is serious, or that a win is possible. You've got to build it. Reagan didn't win on his first try.


Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 07:25 PM (Uh5fR)

251

And I don't think this is limited to the US even, I apply this logic on an internation scale throughout the west.


I think we're seeing this in action in Canada. And I think the Torries in the UK would benefit a great deal from this logic. If they went after BNP voters instead of 'moderates' (read: Labor voters, which they aren't going to get), by dealing with issues like immigration instead of this compassionate conservative crap they're pushing where they say they promise not to cut funding for schoolsandhospitals too much, they'd bitch-slap Labor.


When did Labor finally win anyway? -> When they kicked out Maggie because she was too extreme and needed a more moderate and less polarizing figgure.And. Then. They. Lost.


Meanwhile, the goddamn fascist party is picking up seats left and right (picking up LABOR seats) because they're the only party running on the wrong side (read: conservative side) of 'controversial issues' (read: issues where the vast majority of politicians, academics, and media pundits disagree with vast majority of everyone else).


But hey that's just my opinion.


Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2006 07:33 PM (Uh5fR)

252 You're right, entropy. That said, I rarely hear the party fighting for Irey to stomp Murtha, hear talk radio fighting for her. Santorum is getting a fair amount of support, I think, but who knows? I don't hear them much. I should be inundated with commercials.

They should be everywhere fighting Casey, the guy is worthless, and riding his fathers coattails. Don Sherwood is a slimeball, but he's what we've got. I'll take the adulterous bastard over a lib. Many will take the lib. The RNC should be drilling that into peoples heads. I see constant Rendell commercials. No Swann commercials. Unless he's planning a late blitz...

Problem for 06 is, as Rush has said in other issues, you fight with the army you get, and Linc's in our army for now...

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:39 PM (FUWRQ)

253 On a side note, Chicago huh?

I've yet to visit Chicago. I need to go. The only thing I'll say though is, your hot dogs and pizza are a CRIME. A little mustard for the dog, and your pizza...deep dish, what in God's name are you people thinking? New York pizza is the only way to go.

Meh, I dunno. Guess I'd have to try it.

Speaking of regional favorites, I'm drinking the best soda in the world right now, a central PA favorite, Frozen Run Birch Beer. MMmmmmm.... if you're ever in central/eastern PA, grab a case. Seriously.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 07:54 PM (FUWRQ)

254

Coal Bear is on Conan.


Wonder who' watchin???


Posted by: Stephanie at August 31, 2006 07:56 PM (1C3dO)

255 Not me, g'night.

Posted by: Sinistar at August 31, 2006 08:13 PM (FUWRQ)

256 "I'm saying we play with the hand dealt, and try to stack the deck next time."

Posted by Sinistar

Sinistar, if it worked that way I would agree with you. Yet it begs the question: Who gets to stack the deck? If we, as conservatives, have to wait until next time to stack the deck there will never be a next time. People in power without term limits don't give up that power.

Don't ge me wrong. I'm enough of a realist not to demand ideological purity, and I don't think we should sacrifice electoral victories for moral victories, but if not now, when? We have electable conservatives almost everywhere, but if we were to listen to the party apparatchiks they would tell us they don't have a chance. To that I say BS! They don't have a chance because they haven't been given a chance.

Would anyone think that here in liberal Minnesota we just might end up with half a GOP House delegation, a GOP gov and 2 decently conservative Republican senators? If Mark Kennedy pulls it off, we will. Oh, and btw, our 2 house state leg is split between the 2 parties also.

All I am saying is, give Laffey a chance!

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at September 01, 2006 03:59 AM (Tgpe/)

257 New York pizza is a joke right? Like, I laught a little bit there. That was a good one.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:14 AM (m6c4H)

258 Let me say something though, for those who say you have to vote for the republican no matter what:

I know alot of people in Illinois, not pissed off conservatives who want to punish the GOP, just regular, not-super-political conservatives who want a good governor, who say they hate Baglojevich, but if they bother to vote at all this time around they'll vote for him over Topinka. Because, at least he's not corrupt.

But hey, Topinka is pro-choice, pro-tax, pro-had-a-job-in-the-previous-administration-who-is-now-in-jail, basically a political pro who's been in there in some office or another for 20 years.

She won't be governor. And I don't really care. I actually think the lesser of two evils in this case is the democrat as well. Blago ain't that bad, he's not very good, but he's better then Ryan was. At least he hasn't been indicted yet.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:23 AM (m6c4H)

259 John, I'd love to, but we're stuck with Chafee, there's no way to get the GOP leadership to change course, prep the guy to run for the big time, allot funds, raise his own, crank out advertising, formalize the camppaign, do the campaign visits, and then get him to take on Chafee and the lib together, its just logistically impossible this time.

The day the RINO gets reelected, start pushing conservative candidates to unseat him, there and elsewhere. Laffey is probably the guy, we should push him. Not now though, its too late is all I'm saying. The 06 election there is a blown opportunity, and to me its crying over spilled milk to bemoan it. Really what needs to happen is the conservative movement has to start working to field candidates outside the RNC.

The RNC to a degree is bound to support incumbants, even assholes like Linc. Not to mention if the official party body supports a challenger against a hardcore RINO like Linc, he could turn and go D on us. Its better for conservatives to build a guy like Laffey on a grassroots type operation, and when he's ready, smash Chafee.

HAHAHA! New York pizza is the best, nuff said. Chicago city council outlawed the wrong foodstuff, deep dish is the truly evil meal, not foie gras.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 05:16 AM (FUWRQ)

260 I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but nobody beats our food. Nobody. In. The. World.

Because we've got it, from all over the world. We've got everything, plus some stuff others don't got.

And Numero Uno or Geno's East deep dish pizza? That shit is good.

Maxwell Street polish? Good.

Chicago style hotdogs, with everything on them except the kitchen sink and ketchup? Good.

Ketchup? For deh looozers. Ketchup sucks.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 05:33 AM (m6c4H)

261 Ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs, but it DOES belong on everything else. Heinz Ketchup, made in PA, (yeah I know, Kerry, shut up) makes damn near ANYTHING taste better. Plus we have scrapple, Frozen Run and other delightful birch beers, apple butter, cheesesteaks, our hoagies are the best , specially in central PA, shoo-fly pie, we invented funnel cakes, and PA is the snack food capital (most of your chips, made here, snack cakes, same deal, we made you fat HAHAHA, all hail your junk food ovelords). Plus we get New Yorkers that bring their pizza mojo to PA (and NYC is a day trip anyway), and other New York goodness. I'm sure some PA person will catch something I missed, but thats a good starter.

We don't have any fancy global reach in central PA, we don't need no stinking global reach (all right, I'm a little jealous of that, wouldn't mind having that), but deep dish and your hot dogs are obscene! You know, if you used decent meat in your hot dogs, you wouldn't have to cover it in all that crap.

I still laugh at your council, I can't believe they banned foie gras, what a bunch of tools! BWAHAHAHA!

In a big city Chicago of all places to waste time with stupid shit like that. Plus I hear you people are getting big in the fancy culinary business. The foie gras gets kicked out next to Wal-Mart, its just funny that your council is so inept.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:03 AM (FUWRQ)

262 Pierogies!!!!

Forgot that, and how could I?

And tri-taters at Knoebels...damn, this could be a long list.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:08 AM (FUWRQ)

263 Bloody hell man, you are just ill-educated. Chicago Hot Dogs are 100% Kosher.

And you've yet to say why deep dish pizza is "obscene", it most certainly is not, at Geno's East if you get sausage on your pizza, they cover the entire deep dish pizza in a solid layer of meat.

But, if you dislike it so much (no doubt because you are a homosexual) we have pan pizzas and thin crust pizzas as well, in spades. Anytime I've ever been outside Chicago, I marvel at how bad the pizza selection is. It's like all you people have is Pizza Hut pizza, which is to real pizza what Taco Bell is to mexican food.

We've got sandwiches packed with so much meat, they had to kill 8 cows to make them. We've got gyros, we've got beefs, we've got breaded parmesians, we've got meatball sandwiches, smothered in cheeses with red sauces. We've got grilled onions and bacon available on every single thing you might want to eat, because they make everything taste better. We've got food that will clog 4 of your arteries up at the same time before you're even done eating.

I don't know what the hell foi gras is, but it's sounds fruity and french and it should be illegal.

What food group is that in? Meat, cheese, sauce, or grease?

Our city council is utterly inept, the dude we just elected is a stroke victim and no one knows if he can actually talk anymore (we elected him after this), and quite frankly, it's improved his legislative performance.

But that's got zilch to do with cullinary excellence.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:12 AM (m6c4H)

264 We have pierogis up the wazoo. I told you, whatever you got, we got it.

We have philly cheesesteaks, fer chrissakes. We have polish smorgashborgs all over the place, with potato dumplings and pierogis and stuffed cabbage. We even have czech joints that serve ox tale stew, svicckova, pickled beef, goulash, and broiled rabbit.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:19 AM (m6c4H)

265 Although, seriously people, get some class.

Cheez Wiz is not real cheeze. You put provolone on a philly cheese steak. WTF is up with cheez wiz crap? That's disgusting. Were you all drunk?

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 06:24 AM (m6c4H)

266

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/227757523/1-sportsfinger.jpg


One of you guys need him, he's there to do your bidding. Just seems like that's the direction this is going.


Posted by: lauraw at September 01, 2006 06:29 AM (CHWhW)

267 Nah, I don't think anyone here serves the foie gras either, it is french, its served at snooty restaurants its gooseliver from a force fed goose, so a meat/grease mixture. Its just a PETA type complaint, and your council grabbed ankles. Anyone that gives an inch to PETA freaks should be flogged publicly. I hate PETA almost as much as al-qaeda.


Pizza Huts should be forcily closed down. Agreed. I'll be the first to join that militia. Our selection is good, not like weirdo California crap, but good. Pizza is meant to be a thin crust, cheese, sauce, meats & veggie, not a damn pie like you people eat, and not some weirdo shit like the Cali kids eat.

Our hoagies are heavenly, greasy, delicious, and big, and the rolls made fresh daily. Our food is every bit as unhealthy as yours. Bacon is plentiful. Try a full breakfast wth bacon AND scrapple. You lose on the grease dept, nothing beats that pairing. Actually, we've got good meatball sammiches too...never had a gyro. Oh, and another thing, those au jus sammiches, that sounds teh ghey and french, and nasty, makes the roll all mushy and watery, even a fresh baked.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:33 AM (FUWRQ)

268 Oh look, another post bashing Ann Coulter. Get a clue.

*yawn*

Posted by: Cary from Houston at September 01, 2006 06:37 AM (aJFeb)

269 Agreed on the Cheez Whiz. We use Provolone in central PA. Never got the Whiz.

Doubtful Chicago could match our hoagies...there's just a certain mojo about them...

No, you don't have tri taters or Frozen Run. You lose.

Whatever, love messing with you...hehehe.

Lauraw, that kid cracks me up everytime. I don't know why.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:44 AM (FUWRQ)

270 Oh, and Entropy, you've inspired a post at nicedoggie.net

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 06:48 AM (FUWRQ)

271 Again, I DO agree with you in principal and general practice, but Chafee in '06 is a blown opportunity for it.

...aaaaand I triple posted. good.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 07:33 AM (FUWRQ)

272

For Entrophy:

Don't know if you've seen this or not, but I think you'll enjoy reading that Laffey is leading Chafee in the latest poll.


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007951.php#trackbacks


Your point about opposing RINOS is a good one; I just hope we can afford it this year.


PS Given that New Orleans still has the best food in the US (notwithstanding Bart's efforts at sabotage), seeing someone from Illinios and someone from central Pennsylvania (of all freaking places) argue over whose food is better is one of the funniest things I have ever read.


Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 09:51 AM (DtIRb)

273 Hey, if Laffey wins the primary, I'm thrilled. Chafee is a dick, I assumed he was a lock because he has RNC support.

Central PA has the best food EVER.

I'm not saying Chicago doesn't have good food, I hear they got great steaks there I'd like to eat. New Orleans also. Central PA kicks ass, its one of the most tasty and beautiful places you'll ever see.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 09:59 AM (FUWRQ)

274 If Laffey wins all together, even better.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 10:00 AM (FUWRQ)

275 It's funny how you "smart" conservatives are so quick to drop support for a fellow conservative whose the target of attacks. It seems you don't really believe in conservative; you just want to be the smarted person in the room and this "conservative" angle gives you some attention from your liberal friends. So, heaven forbid you be linked with someone who has been ganged up on.

Well, you can continue to let liberals define the standard for behavior and let it limit how you act, but you'll end up being just as bland and stupid as they are, even if you do call yourself a conservative.

Posted by: Cygnus X-1 at September 01, 2006 10:39 AM (8G9l1)

276 Oh, and Entropy, you've inspired a post at nicedoggie.net

Awesomeness.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:01 AM (m6c4H)

277 another thing, those au jus sammiches, that sounds teh ghey and french, and nasty, makes the roll all mushy and watery, even a fresh baked.

Oh yeah! Au juice may be a French name but it's just beef broth.

You soak the bread in the beef juices so it's sopping wet with it, then pile beef on top of it, and chuck a bunch of hot spicy jardinare on it. It rocks.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:05 AM (m6c4H)

278 If you never had a gyro, you gotta get one.

It's greek.

It's seasoned 50% veal 50% lamb processed meat, put on a pita, with a cucumber sauce (optional: tomatoes and feta cheese).

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 11:09 AM (m6c4H)

279 Cygnus, you best not be talkin to me...

Entropy, The gyro sounds way good, 'specially with lots of feta cheese. I always think of those old Hub's Gyro sketches on SNL. We have a small Greek restaurant thats supposed to be real good, but it has a very limited number of hours. I dropped by three hours before closing...and it was closed.

The Au Jus sandwich just doesn't appeal to me... sopping wet roll just doesn't sound good to me, even if its tasty beef broth. Plus that sounds like you'd be sticky as hell, stained, and smell like boullion.

Quizno's apparently sells a bastardized version, but I probably oughta get the real thing, I wouldn't send someone to Subway or Quizno's to get a cheesesteak or Pizza Hut for a pizza.

Don't get me wrong, I'd try it. I'm skeptical is all. Hell, I'd even try your wicked evil pizza and hot dogs(and ask for ketchup just to see the faces I'd get HAHAHA, they wouldn't kill me , right?). I'm open minded like that.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 01:08 PM (FUWRQ)

280

Entrophy,


Did you see the link to the Laffey vs Chafee poll in Post 297? Thought you'd enjoy it, but don't see a comment from you and wouldn't want you to miss it.


Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 01:42 PM (ZliJM)

281

Yah I did. I'm tickled pink he's polling 20% ahead amongst republicans.


The only hurdle he has to clear now is the thousands of democrats who Chafee convinced to register as independants (who are allowed to vote in RI primaries).


So he's not out of the woods, but that's an excellent place to be.


By the way - I've seen you people suck the feces-impacted bowels out of crustacean. I ain't arguing food with someone who bites the heads off crayfish, you win, please, just don't breath on me


Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 01:55 PM (Uh5fR)

282

P.S.


We invented Jazz. Suck it.


Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 01:59 PM (Uh5fR)

283 Oh, this oughta be good, jazz fight.

All I have to say for New Orleans. You have Emeril Lagasse. You Lose.

I hope he sits next to Rachael Ray in their own special little corner of hell, that annoying fucking greaseball.

As for the Jazz. I hope this gets brutal. Lemme grab a soda.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 02:05 PM (FUWRQ)

284 We invented Jazz. Suck it.

You call that kazoo-music jazz? New York invented jazz.

Posted by: geoff at September 01, 2006 02:07 PM (Id2DF)

285 I didn't realize Laffey was THAT competative. Huh...I'll be damned. Go Laffey!

I really would like to see him win, I hate Chafee. I just thought Laffey was like Schlessinger in Connecticut, no real chance to win type deal.

In that case, I stand corrected.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 02:13 PM (FUWRQ)

286 Whoa, they have a really late primary. I thought that was done...

Posted by: at September 01, 2006 02:17 PM (FUWRQ)

287

Where to begin? I feel like Entrophy is in danger of morphing into one of our totally-out-of-touch-with-reality trolls and that any facts I provide him with will be (i) ignored or (ii) twisted to support his absurd world view about jazz.


Plus I've listened to arguments about whose pizza has more grease and plastic cheese, while I'm thinking about oysters en brochette, eggs sardou, shrimp remoulade, pompano en papilotte (sp?), crabmeat maison, filet bearnaise, trout amandine etc etc., so I feel like we're on different planets. (Although I have to admit crayfish are called mudbugs for a reason.)


Plus I'm too tired right now to argue about jazz, especially with Geoff, who uses facts and logic and stuff.


But sinistar is right about Emeril.


.


 


Posted by: max at September 01, 2006 04:10 PM (VZwVS)

288

Ah I'm just screwing with you. That was such a blatant provocation I made myself chuckle with it.


But thanks for that link, I didn't catch that on Captain's (though I usually read him), and I've been asking for a while if there's been any polls done but no one seemed to know.


Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2006 04:22 PM (Uh5fR)

289 I'm glad to see the polls too. I was ill informed. Meh.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 01, 2006 05:08 PM (FUWRQ)

290 Meh, Ann Rocks. Even if she isn't on her best day I'll take her over several others on theirs....

I'm sure she will "pick it up" or adapt if she has to. Besides, if she needs stronger stuff, she has been pushing hard for a few years now, in basically a giant stream of consciousness. Even in the best there may be a thin spot or two, let's see what she does in the next few months. She has had more home runs than whiffs, that's for sure....

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