September 29, 2016

Oh, By the Way, Obama Looted the US Treasury to Make Illegal Payments to Insurers to Keep Obamacare Afloat, But Vote for Hillary Because We Need to "Save Our Party" or Something
— Ace

I alluded to this in the post below but did not have a link. I just knew it from John Sexton.

So here's the reason you have nothing to fear from President Hillary, my friends.

The Obama administration failed to follow its own health care law by directing funds to insurers instead of taxpayers, nonpartisan government investigators said Thursday, chalking up a win for GOP critics and denting the White House's ability to satisfy insurers who are losing money under the overhaul.

The Affordable Care Act established a three-year "reinsurance" program to collect funds from participating insurers and then pay a portion to plans that took on costlier enrollees. Yet it was supposed to allocate some of its collections to the Treasury, too.

The administration projected it would take in $10 billion for reinsurance purposes and $2 billion for the Treasury in 2014, the program’s first year.

When collections fell short of estimates, the Health and Human Services Department prioritized payments to insurers over the Treasury, angering Republicans who said the agency put its contentious program over taxpayers, who got nothing.

That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional, but seriously guys, we should elect Hillary Clinton to teach those low-class non-college-educated hooligans who want to replace the Presidential Seal with Pepe the Frog to ever fuck with our enlightened and benevolent power again.

I mean, Trump called an overweight beauty pageant winner overweight.

We can't have that. Not quite our class, dear.

Posted by: Ace at 11:20 AM | Comments (355)
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1 Miss Piggy certainly was... And worse...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:22 AM (O2RFr)

2 So gauche.

Posted by: Memories at September 29, 2016 11:23 AM (mwcEF)

3 In their demented minds our elite "overlords" think that in 4 years we'll get a more a"appropriate" candidate and all will be well.... Hate to burst their bubble but that ain't gonna happen... Besides what will be left?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:25 AM (O2RFr)

4 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 29, 2016 11:26 AM (uPt3V)

5 "chalking up a win for GOP critics and denting the White House's ability to satisfy insurers who are losing money under the overhaul." Our media folks. The President gets caught doing something illegal and gosh, look, it's all about the GOP critics. Or, as our betters like to refer to them "haters". Thankfully this story will disappear tomorrow. But hey, I hear Donald Trump almost spent money in Cuba 30 years ago, he didn't. But he almost did. Better start pushing that new hashtag nevertrumpers.

Posted by: bskb at September 29, 2016 11:26 AM (uz1TO)

6 Well, what makes you think a President Hillary would do anything illegal or unconstitutional? Never mind.

Posted by: Hank at September 29, 2016 11:26 AM (OK1RV)

7 the important thing here is for you flyover sister humping trash in the rust belt to understand the GOP will never try to undo EPA and OSHA overreach so your jobs are never coming back...now die DIE!

//KD Williamson NRO Special Needs Ambassador

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:26 AM (SzZnW)

8 I, for one, can't wait to plot my escape from Hillary's fun camps.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 29, 2016 11:26 AM (WuRdh)

9 Just rewrite the law, like they did after the vote.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2016 11:27 AM (7ZVPa)

10 I used to seethe. Now I'm just gellin'

Posted by: i am mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore at September 29, 2016 11:27 AM (cgxNI)

11 6 Well, what makes you think a President Hillary would do anything illegal or unconstitutional? Well when she does it won't be "intentional" Just ask Comey...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:27 AM (O2RFr)

12 Given that we're likely to collapse economically between the 2016 and 2018 elections, and assuming Duchess gets her long sought-after coronation, what do you rate the odds of Blue-v-Grey 2.0 happening during her brief, catastrophic reign? I'm thinking no worse than 40/60 against, but those odds will likely be revised in favor depending on just how deep into Wiemar territory we fall under her misfeasance.

Posted by: DocJ at September 29, 2016 11:27 AM (NYS7S)

13 When Thad Cochran finds out about he will be pissed off I'm guessing

Posted by: Yo! at September 29, 2016 11:27 AM (uPt3V)

14 Fundamentally transform America......into Venezuela.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at September 29, 2016 11:28 AM (QM5S2)

15 One thing the neverTrumpers don't seem to account for is that Hillary is probably the meanest and most vindictive pres. candidate we've ever had.  She is going to exact a lot of revenge against her long line of enemies and nobody, except Mother Nature, is going to stop her.  I wouldn't be surprised if some people get picked up and held awhile just because.  Habeas corpus?  Cackle.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 29, 2016 11:28 AM (dZ756)

16 8 Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 29, 2016 04:26 PM (WuRdh)

It'll be like Hogan's Heroes...except with ewoks and crossbows.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:28 AM (SzZnW)

17 "That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional,"

If only there was an opposition party that had balls.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:28 AM (jxbfJ)

18 This is just as bad as the Brits in Malaya in the 50's

Posted by: Yo! at September 29, 2016 11:29 AM (uPt3V)

19 You want to read how most of these people think? Read Colin Powell's emails. Notwithstanding the guy has turned into a drinking with his pinky up, barely man, he's an absolute fish woman gossip who goes from cocktail parties in the Hamptons to Washington talking with the chattering class of both Democrats and Republicans whining about how smart and superior they are and how ignorant the rest of us who work for a living and can think for themselves, truly are.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 29, 2016 11:29 AM (jYV/+)

20 9 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2016 04:27 PM (7ZVPa)

Do recall the "law" was not finished when campaign 2012 began....

in essence it would have been a LOT more honest for the Donks to just say "whatever Bronk wants" shorter too.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:29 AM (SzZnW)

21 Have Ace and Allahpundit split up? Where is all this vitriol for NeverTrumpers coming from?

Posted by: Eddie Baby at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (etGXU)

22 Trump will totally never do this, you guys. He would never bend the rules for his personal gain.

Posted by: Carl at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (xhHQt)

23 The smirks and shrugs of the political elite will turn to screams of horror the day that the bill comes due. At some point, reality will intrude, and either the money supply is contracted, or the interest rates will rise, and only a slight rise at this point will mean that the federal government is officially insolvent.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (7ZVPa)

24 15 One thing the neverTrumpers don't seem to account for is that Hillary is probably the meanest and most vindictive pres. candidate we've ever had. -- Obama wants to be adored. Hillary wants revenge on the world for her bitter life.

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (Om16U)

25 Right. If President Hillary did anything illegal or unconstitutional, Comey would consider it a little oopsie and not intentional at all.

Posted by: Hank at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (OK1RV)

26 12: DocJ, it won't be Blue v Gray. It will be the Balkans.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (XKXAM)

27 Don't worry guys. Hillary's election will only serve to bring about #Texit. Better establish residency before it's too late....

Posted by: Texas Zombie at September 29, 2016 11:30 AM (SUtNI)

28 Screw the statists whether they're GOP or Democrats.

Posted by: Draki at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (xK4GI)

29 One thing the neverTrumpers don't seem to account for is that Hillary is probably the meanest and most vindictive pres. candidate we've ever had. She is going to exact a lot of revenge against her long line of enemies and nobody, except Mother Nature, is going to stop her. I wouldn't be surprised if some people get picked up and held awhile just because. Habeas corpus? Cackle. Posted by: SFGoth But Trump talked about suing reporters for libel, so basically the same thing. Right? I mean yes Hillary makes Obama look like a boy scout, but Trump has said some pretty mean things offhand when he was on that reality show and was being bombastic.

Posted by: Maritime at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (onbPc)

30 24 Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 04:30 PM (Om16U)

Eh Bronk is schizoid.

You have Bronk the Messiah, and then you have Bronk Avenging Angel of the 3d world.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (SzZnW)

31 16 Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 04:28 PM (SzZnW)

Worked out fairly well for the Ewoks last time.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (WuRdh)

32 Howdy all. NeverHillary!!! She's just evil and full of hate and rage. But more than that, I am one of those optimistic about what Trump can and will do. I believe this time next year it will be stunning how much better things are.

Posted by: Beth M at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (kiy9d)

33 "Chalking up a win for GOP critics" Really?That is what they draw from this?

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2016 11:31 AM (fA75F)

34 Do people here really believe that a large portion of # never trumpers disdain for him is because he is so declasse' ? aaAre they really that shallow and petty?

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:32 AM (d6TTt)

35 How many lumens in this incandescent behavior?

Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2016 11:32 AM (Sfs6o)

36 26 12: DocJ, it won't be Blue v Gray. It will be the Balkans. Probably true. So to quote Bruce Banner in the first Avengers movie (smiling), "Oh, no, this is MUCH worse!"

Posted by: DocJ at September 29, 2016 11:32 AM (NYS7S)

37 It's a sad day when we have to prove to "our"* own party that the opposing candidate and party are worse. Such a waste of time and energy, when we could be winning with Trump and destroying Hillary. *not my party anymore

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 11:32 AM (qCMvj)

38 Illegal, unconstitutional, and the GOP will do less than dick about it. Just like they did about all the other illegal and unconstitutional shit that's happened over the last 16 years. This is my last GOP vote. I'm only casting it because I fucking hate the Traitorous Clinton Crime Family with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. Trump is a "Fuck You!" vote. He just happens to be running as a Republican. The next "Fuck You!" candidate will probably be in some other party. I'm voting "Fuck You!" from now on.

Posted by: JackO'Spades at September 29, 2016 11:32 AM (CL8im)

39 29 Posted by: Maritime at September 29, 2016 04:31 PM (onbPc)

Grammy said giddily her enemy she was proudest of having was the GOP.

The media should pray to God libel is all they face...

Diogenes Lamp has less gentle ideas in store for them.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (SzZnW)

40 27 Don't worry guys. Hillary's election will only serve to bring about #Texit. Better establish residency before it's too late.... lived in San Antonio when I was Child.... On My Fathers side there is long History of being Texans.. My Great Grandfather was the first to bring the long horn cattle to Texas... Hope that's legacy enough to become a Texas Citizen...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (O2RFr)

41 Fundamentally transform America......into Venezuela. Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at September 29, 2016 04:28 PM (QM5S2) ............. at least we'll still have fat beauty queens who do butt stuff.

Posted by: wth at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (HgMAr)

42 And for the NeverTrumpers -
With a Hillary win, you guys better enjoy the wilderness because your fate will be that of the Whig party.  Actually, what am I saying - the Republican(t) party is dead already.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (jxbfJ)

43 Chalking up a win for GOP critics" Really?That is what they draw from this? Posted by: steevy -- Yes, that is all they care about. Laws are meaningless at this point, at least for the elite.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (7ZVPa)

44 Money.  There isn't any.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (CFc5L)

45 nevertrumpers the selfish class

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (qCMvj)

46 Let me remind you that illegality in pursuit of social justice in no vice. Constitutionality in pursuit of health is no virtue.

Posted by: Barry Obamawater at September 29, 2016 11:33 AM (NUqwG)

47 He also probably looted the treasury for the Iran payments that went off pretty much unchallenged by congress even after all of the games and the true astronomical amount of the payments were discovered (and by discovered I mean naturally the true amount discovered to this point, because it may have been much, much more. We do not know and we probably never will.)

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean (Make deplorable adorable again!) at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (4ng05)

48 I don't mean to be pushy and all but you can order your #NeverHillary tshirts at the link in my nic. You know, if you want to be on the right team and all. ;-)

Posted by: Texas Zombie at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (SUtNI)

49 31 Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at September 29, 2016 04:31 PM (WuRdh)

The not so hidden lesson after I got a billion was "Triumph of the Stupid"

Plaintiff's Exhibit one: RotJ and TPM

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (SzZnW)

50 26 12: DocJ, it won't be Blue v Gray. It will be the Balkans. Probably true. So to quote Bruce Banner in the first Avengers movie (smiling), "Oh, no, this is MUCH worse!" Posted by: DocJ at September 29, 2016 04:32 PM (NYS7S) I've pegged America as the Balkans for some time now. With declining unifying principles, descending into Tribalism. God help us.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (d6TTt)

51 I'm confused. I thought we all agreed to switch to being Democrats? Or maybe you should just say what you believe is right and stop having hissy fits?

Posted by: justaguy at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (UnMRd)

52 If Trump simply implemented his economic policy most people would start to see a difference in their lives within a year. Starting with a ruse in the LPR and moving into both taxes and small business gains. But you know, lets vote for someone who wants to double down on hurting the average voter. Because that'll show them.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 29, 2016 11:34 AM (jYV/+)

53 I am so damn glad I spent all that money I'll never pay back on being taught about the rule of law. So damn glad. Ahahahahaha Ahahahaha ahhaha ahha ah *weeps*

Posted by: alexthechick - but I have chocolate chip cookies so that's okay then at September 29, 2016 11:35 AM (mf5HN)

54 Immunity for acts in performance of official duties doesn't cover embezzlement, does it? It would seem to me that several somebodies are at real risk of major prison time over these unauthorized payments to insurers.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 29, 2016 11:35 AM (QQ+il)

55 Hey guys, when is the next NFL game? I just want to know when I'm actually boycotting so I can work it into the conversation. On a related note I got a sales call from comcast today. I told the guy before I hung up that I cut cable years ago and didn't even own a TV anymore. I also mentioned I invested all the money I saved in guns and ammo. This boycotting is fun.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at September 29, 2016 11:35 AM (cCxiu)

56 My hope for Trump is to go through the Executive branch much like Sherman's march to the sea.  Clear cut everything in sight.  Remove the cancerous growths called the Dept. of Education, Energy, Justice, the EPA, IRS, etc.  And it this point if some healthy tissue (good portions of these agencies if they exist) get destroyed, so be it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:35 AM (jxbfJ)

57 This seems to be the topic du jour, and it's doubtless already been thoroughly picked over while I was at work, so I'll just say:  things can always get worse, and will under the Dems.  We can argue about how to fix the GOP, or replace it with something more amenable, but throwing in your lot with the Dems is just not the way to do anything other than punish those who do fight the good fight, and reward those who don't. 

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 11:35 AM (LAe3v)

58 It would seem to me that several somebodies are at real risk of major prison time over these unauthorized payments to insurers. Posted by: Grump928(c) -- Nothing personal, but I laughed out loud at this.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2016 11:36 AM (7ZVPa)

59 50 Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 04:34 PM (d6TTt)

I'm pumped....

I've always wanted to create a traffic desert.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:36 AM (SzZnW)

60 Add it to the list, eh?

At lunch with friend, and she declared "there is no law anymore."
There isn't, nit when 17 states have legal pot and numerous sanctuary cities; not when Obama does whatever the heck he wants, paying Iran billions in sketchy cash and gold payments (from what source?) without Congress knowing, along with all of these super-duper secret deals - Iran deal, TPP, net neutrality.

There is no rule of law, and we each need to figure out how one lives in that environment.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at September 29, 2016 11:36 AM (NOIQH)

61 That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional And no one is going to do a damn thing about it. Queen Barry has gotten away with everything he wants because some people don't want to be called racists.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:36 AM (493sH)

62 It's a good thing Hillary is running this rime, otherwise all my votes might look a little silly.

Posted by: Joey 'Two Votes' Biden at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (nGtPk)

63 So what? They can just print more money.

Posted by: Cicero -- Profoundly Deplorable But Pretty Dependable at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (8ZskC)

64 57 Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 04:35 PM (LAe3v)

No democrat calls the other racist that I have seen outside of primary season....

I'm pretty burnt out on NRO's use of it against their base.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (SzZnW)

65 at least we'll still have fat beauty queens who do butt stuff.

Posted by: wth at September 29, 2016 04:33 PM (HgMAr)


Got pics?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (jxbfJ)

66 Oh, By the Way, Obama Looted the US Treasury to Make Illegal Payments to Insurers to Keep Obamacare Afloat, But Vote for Hillary Because We Need to "Save Our Party" or Something --Ace Hit me, baby, one more time ...Baby One More Time ~ Britney Spears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (qCMvj)

67 Shouldn't that be overweight murderess beauty contestant?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 29, 2016 11:37 AM (JImoF)

68 They are who i thought they are, so i am not disappointed. They have always acted in their own interests, which only occassional coincide with mine. I feel no loyalty to them, and i know they feel no loyalty to me Therefore i am unbound, and unencumbered. I will do what i think is best. I cannot control how they behave. I must leave it to God

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 11:38 AM (+kpYV)

69 She wasn't overweight. She was a goddamn manatee. Sad.

Posted by: Donald Trump at September 29, 2016 11:38 AM (8ZskC)

70 When collections fell short of estimates, the Health and Human Services Department prioritized payments to insurers over the Treasury, angering Republicans who said the agency put its contentious program over taxpayers, who got nothing. Ohhh the Vichy Republicans got angry over it. Head for the fainting couches

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:38 AM (493sH)

71 much like Sherman's march to the sea. ------------------------------ Those were the days my friend though they had to end. Creative destruction at its best.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 29, 2016 11:38 AM (NUqwG)

72

 

Shouldn't that be overweight murderess beauty contestant?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 29, 2016 04:37 PM (JImoF)

 

 

She only drove the getaway car.And what kind of idiot lets a woman drive the getaway car?

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (lKyWE)

73 1 Miss Piggy certainly was... And worse... Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 04:22 PM (O2RFr) I would like to submit to the Stylebook that Ms. Machado be known as, "Miss Piggy Pornstar" in the future... Its more accurate.

Posted by: Don Q. at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (qf6WZ)

74 at least we'll still have fat beauty queens who do butt stuff. Posted by: wth at September 29, 2016 04:33 PM (HgMAr) Got pics? Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 04:37 PM (jxbfJ) Eww. Pictures of a ticket to a world class UTI.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (d6TTt)

75 Here's my question for NeverTrumpers. Let's say Hillary wins, and then you get your way with your preferred candiate in 2020. How can you expect anyone else to say "oh well, we lost now. Guess we have to support The Guy to stop the Democrats"? Next time, will it be super serious, but it isn't this time?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (OJXf7)

76 Shouldn't that be overweight murderess beauty contestant? I think they have pretty much moved on from Miss Piggy and gone to Trump illegally thinking about trading with Cuba but not.. Today's meme...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (O2RFr)

77 I would love for President Trump to got after every fed involved using the antideficency act.

Posted by: Jean at September 29, 2016 11:39 AM (ngn8T)

78 Republican leadership wants Obamacare now and thats the truth

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (+kpYV)

79
Hillary Clinton's campaign Thursday unveiled endorsements from 40 additional high-profile Republicans. The new endorsements, via the campaign group "Together for America", includes former GOP administration officials, lawmakers and prominent Republicans in battleground states.

Thursday's endorsements include former Reps. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.), Claudine Schneider (R-R.I.), and John Schwarz (R-Mich.) in addition to former officials in the Ford, Reagan and George W. Bush's administrations.

The Hill



The Waffen-SS GOP....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (kdS6q)

80 51 I'm confused. I thought we all agreed to switch to being Democrats? Here in the People's Republic of MA we have a, I kid you not, Republican Governor who is overseeing a state who's "civil rights" board has just ordered that churches - churches! - will have to have "transgendered" bathrooms if the host any "public" event. So really, why not just get it over with and join the next generation's ruling party?

Posted by: DocJ at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (NYS7S)

81 Republican leadership wants Obamacare now and thats the truth Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 04:40 PM (+kpYV) Depressing, but I believe you.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (d6TTt)

82 Shouldn't that be overweight murderess beauty contestant? ......... Hey! Hey, now! That is ALLEDGED murderess....

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (so+oy)

83 Trump will totally never do this, you guys. He would never bend the rules for his personal gain.
Posted by: Carl at September 29, 2016 04:30 PM (xhHQt)
Quite.  We need to follow the venerable Republican strategy of the last century by scrupulously following the strictures of the law and Constitution, consolidating the gains made by Democrats in their previous period of ascendancy, and preparing the ground for the next wave of leftward movement.

Posted by: GOPe at September 29, 2016 11:40 AM (EIB5Y)

84 Fat, murder co-conspirator, Drug lord concubine whore

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (+kpYV)

85 Y--you mean the insurers cashed the checks? They--they took the money that was supposed to go to taxpayers?

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Snorky at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (oGNNA)

86 Thursday's endorsements include former Reps. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.), Claudine Schneider (R-R.I.), and John Schwarz (R-Mich.) in addition to former officials in the Ford, Reagan and George W. Bush's administrations. Who?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (O2RFr)

87 61 That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional And no one is going to do a damn thing about it. Queen Barry has gotten away with everything he wants because some people don't want to be called racists. Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 04:36 PM (493sH) Oh... they'll have Congressional hearings about it.... next term.... really.... and that check? its in the mail....

Posted by: Don Q. at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (qf6WZ)

88 Here's my question for NeverTrumpers. Let's say Hillary wins, and then you get your way with your preferred candiate in 2020. How can you expect anyone else to say "oh well, we lost now. Guess we have to support The Guy to stop the Democrats"? better yet, what if its a Trump redux in 2020 ? Another hissy fit till '24 ?

Posted by: Al Leppo at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (vmsda)

89 71 much like Sherman's march to the sea.
------------------------------

Those were the days my friend though they had to end. Creative destruction at its best.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 29, 2016 04:38 PM (NUqwG)


I'm beginning to think - regardless of who wins - in four years we'll be looking fondly at Sherman's march as an act of civility.  The animosity, the hatred on display at the personal level between HRC supporters and those of DJT are increasing.  There is no debate anymore on issues.  On any discussion it rapidly descends into personal attacks -verbal and increasingly physical.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:41 AM (jxbfJ)

90 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:40 PM (kdS6q) *

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 11:42 AM (Om16U)

91 Probably a good place to mention that the Obama admin is suing Peter Theil's company for racial discrimination.

Apparently they've decided it is so since they had a a higher % of Asian applicants than eventually hired. Never mind that this has no bearing on whether those applicants were qualified, or any other factors.

Disparate impact, bitchez, we can use this to sue whomever we want!!

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at September 29, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

92 The Waffen-SS GOP.... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:40 PM (kdS6q) They're a bunch of Quislings.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:42 AM (493sH)

93 How is a more conservative candidate than going to win in 2020 after 30M illegal aliens voters are added to the roles?

Posted by: Jean at September 29, 2016 11:42 AM (ngn8T)

94 I was gonna say *starts wrapping barbed wire around pineapples for future use*

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 11:42 AM (Om16U)

95 88 Here's my question for NeverTrumpers. Let's say Hillary wins, and then you get your way with your preferred candiate in 2020. How can you expect anyone else to say "oh well, we lost now. Guess we have to support The Guy to stop the Democrats"?


better yet, what if its a Trump redux in 2020 ? Another hissy fit till '24 ?

Posted by: Al Leppo at September 29, 2016 04:41 PM (vmsda)

Any type of plea for me to "Guess we have to support  The Guy to stop the Democrats" in 2020 or 24 will be met with a loud and raucus laugh followed by a F*** Y** and Get off my property.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (jxbfJ)

96  Hang on, let me guess.  Not the hill to fundraise and make campaign commercials in order to fundraise die on, right (R)s?

Posted by: Billy Dale at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (x4zgf)

97 93 How is a more conservative candidate than going to win in 2020 after 30M illegal aliens voters are added to the roles? They won't...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (O2RFr)

98 I'm thinking no worse than 40/60 against, but those odds will likely be revised in favor depending on just how deep into Wiemar territory we fall under her misfeasance. Posted by: DocJ I still have 500 quatloos on her not surviving her 1st year medically. She will stroke out and someone will be just a little too slow with the epi-pen.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (ApT0U)

99 That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional - Ace No it wasn't. Obama and his team have consistently understood the Constitution correctly, while conservatives everywhere have misunderstood the constitution. Laws ARE for little people, and the constitution is for big boys. Conservatives stamp their feet that laws are broken, but laws don't apply to the 3 branches. The legislature can just change the laws, the courts can just decide they mean something else, and the executive branch can just ignore them. What Obama and his team have understood from the beginning is that unless congress musters the stones to impeach, the executive can do ANYTHING. And since they are able to frame everything as racist congress has remained unwilling to do much more than whisper about impeachment.

Posted by: Lance Justison at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (tMIFO)

100 Disparate impact, bitchez, we can use this to sue whomever we want!! Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2016 04:42 PM (NOIQH) Lawfare. Wait till Hillary gets in office. God forbid.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (d6TTt)

101 Ha.  So the strikethrough doesn't work at all, eh?

Posted by: Billy Dale at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (x4zgf)

102 Its been clarifying. Masks are gone.

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 11:43 AM (+kpYV)

103 Hang on, let me guess. Not the hill to fundraise and make campaign commercials in order to fundraise die on, right (R)s? Posted by: Billy Dale at September 29, 2016 04:43 PM (x4zgf) Someone might call them racists and give them the vapors so better not

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (493sH)

104
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) opened the door Thursday to changing legislation that allows families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S. court.  "I do think it's worth further discussions," he told reporters when asked about a push by some senators to tweak the measure.

Across the Capitol, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) agreed that Congress may need to "fix" the legislation, but said he wasn't sure when that would happen.

The Hill



I just want to wrap my arms around the GOP Congress and give'em all a great big hug....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (kdS6q)

105 Probably a good place to mention that the Obama admin is suing Peter Theil's company for racial discrimination. Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2016 04:42 PM (NOIQH) -------------------- That phaggot got out of line and will now pay.

Posted by: Barry Obamawater at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (NUqwG)

106 Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. I wonder how many of us are out there who publically reject Trump, but ultimately may vote for him.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (KHyOM)

107 Hillary Clinton's campaign Thursday unveiled endorsements from 40 additional high-profile Republicans. The new endorsements, via the campaign group "Together for America", includes former GOP administration officials, lawmakers and prominent Republicans in battleground states. Thursday's endorsements include former Reps. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.), Claudine Schneider (R-R.I.), and John Schwarz (R-Mich.) in addition to former officials in the Ford, Reagan and George W. Bush's administrations. The Hill The Waffen-SS GOP.... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:40 PM (kdS6q) Can I have my votes back?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (qCMvj)

108 Here's my question for NeverTrumpers. Let's say Hillary wins, and then you get your way with your preferred candiate in 2020. How can you expect anyone else to say "oh well, we lost now. Guess we have to support The Guy to stop the Democrats"? Next time, will it be super serious, but it isn't this time? Posted by: joe, living dangerously Good point Their hope is things go back to normal, with the idea that after the entire Establishment doing everything to kneecap Trump, we're all going to line up behind Paul Ryan or whomever the next nominee ends up being. No hard feelings for getting Hillary elected. It's not going to happen. And honestly, the split in the Party has far more people on the Trump side than the Jeb Bush/Romney/McCain/Paul Ryan tribe.

Posted by: Maritime at September 29, 2016 11:44 AM (onbPc)

109 Apparently they've decided it is so since they had a a higher % of Asian applicants than eventually hired. Never mind that this has no bearing on whether those applicants were qualified, or any other factors. Disparate impact, bitchez, we can use this to sue whomever we want!! Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2016 04:42 PM (NOIQH) Yes... even though most of those Asian Engineers would never be able to get a Security clearance needed to work on projects Thiel's company supported.... Blatantly using the Justice Dept. against your enemies...

Posted by: Don Q. at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (qf6WZ)

110 I don't know if Miss Piggy is a porn star, but she sure sounded like she liked being porked by Paolo on reality TV.

Arf! Arf! Arf!  *hic*

Posted by: Hillary at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (2Mnv1)

111 97 93 How is a more conservative candidate than going to win in 2020 after 30M illegal aliens voters are added to the roles? They won't... Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 04:43 PM (O2RFr) Which of course, is the reason she must be stopped, but let's talk about Trump's negatives instead.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (d6TTt)

112 Not a smidgen of corruption. None.

Posted by: J. Comey at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (u6yLg)

113 >>How is a more conservative candidate than going to win in 2020 after 30M illegal aliens voters are added to the roles?


Exactly.
The Dems play the long game. The GOP sits around talking about what the special is at the Old Ebbett Grill and why no one should wear dungarees (*shivers at the uncouth masses*).

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (NOIQH)

114 69 She wasn't overweight. She was a goddamn manatee. Sad.

Posted by: Donald Trump at September 29, 2016 04:38 PM (8ZskC)


This beyond galls.  Here Hillary is, a person who should be doing 1,000 years smashing rocks at Sing-Sing (or whatever they do, I'm sure they don't do this anymore and probably don't do much of anything).  But she has so much rotten, criminal history and they're going to whomp Trump over this nothing thing.

I didn't think these stupid tactics would work with Romeny - dog on car, tampons, binders, other stupid shit.  But it seemed to work and here we go again.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (CFc5L)

115 I wasn't going to vote this election as I live in the liberal tyrannical state of California. I'm very Anti-Hillary (have been since 199 and felt like just sitting out this election. But since July I have become very Pro Trump. I really am hoping he wins - especially by a landslide. If the Dems win again, I'm out in regards to voting. There will be no need to as it will be the same until the Great Collapse. Maybe it's time to start looking into New Zealand.

Posted by: Dixie at September 29, 2016 11:45 AM (j4Kn7)

116 Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. .... Why?

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (1H9ox)

117 Their hope is things go back to normal, with the idea that after the entire Establishment doing everything to kneecap Trump, we're all going to line up behind Paul Ryan or whomever the next nominee ends up being. No hard feelings for getting Hillary elected. It's not going to happen. And honestly, the split in the Party has far more people on the Trump side than the Jeb Bush/Romney/McCain/Paul Ryan tribe. Posted by: Maritime at September 29, 2016 04:44 PM (onbPc) Well... it worked that way when we co opted the TEA party folks....

Posted by: Vichy GOPe at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (qf6WZ)

118 The animosity, the hatred on display at the personal level between HRC supporters and those of DJT are increasing. All I can tell the HRC supporters is don't start none there won't be none.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (ApT0U)

119 That wasn't supposed to be a super cool emoji. Should of added a space between the 8 and the ).

Posted by: Dixie at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (j4Kn7)

120 Blatantly using the Justice Dept. against your enemies... Imagine Hillary's "justice" dept...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (O2RFr)

121 Yes... even though most of those Asian Engineers would never be able to get a Security clearance needed to work on projects Thiel's company supported.... Blatantly using the Justice Dept. against your enemies... Posted by: Don Q. at September 29, 2016 04:45 PM (qf6WZ) Nixon was a piker compared to this bunch

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (493sH)

122 Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. I wonder how many of us are out there who publically reject Trump, but ultimately may vote for him. Posted by: Lauren My wife is basically in the same boat, but she does want Trump to win. Are these "shy Trump" voters not being counted in polls? Who knows, but I think something is there. Even if it's small, 2-3% will probably be what this election is decided by.

Posted by: Maritime at September 29, 2016 11:46 AM (onbPc)

123 Any type of plea for me to "Guess we have to support The Guy to stop the Democrats" in 2020 or 24 will be met with a loud and raucus laugh followed by a F*** Y** and Get off my property. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 04:43 PM (jxbfJ) Low No Turnout.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 11:47 AM (qCMvj)

124 More ammunition for Trump in the next debate, but I doubt he'll even read about this because he's winning all the online polls. Trump says what isn't said by politicians, but there are parts of his campaign I wish he ran like he was a politician. Preparation and utilizing the numerous things that happen to help make his point would be high on that list. This election season is tailor made for him, but it requires he not screw it up.

Posted by: Realityman at September 29, 2016 11:47 AM (Ch0fq)

125 Across the Capitol, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) agreed that Congress may need to "fix" the legislation, but said he wasn't sure when that would happen. ----- Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:44 PM (kdS6q) ------------------- Dumbasses and show votes. It's like all the stupid amendment votes that get rolled into the special interest ratings such as for ACU.

Posted by: RioBravo at September 29, 2016 11:47 AM (NUqwG)

126 94 I was gonna say
*starts wrapping barbed wire around pineapples for future use*

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 04:42 PM (Om16U)

I'm thinking barbed wire around a baseball bat a la Negan  (Walking Dead fans will get the reference).


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:47 AM (jxbfJ)

127 >>Yes... even though most of those Asian Engineers would never be able to get a Security clearance needed to work on projects Thiel's company supported....


Yep, but now they're making movements to end $350 million in govt contracts over "racial discrimination."

Tell me again why *we* are deplorable, and why we are too good to do scorched earth? Obama is literally destroying Theil's business for speaking at the RNC.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at September 29, 2016 11:47 AM (NOIQH)

128 Maybe it's time to start looking into New Zealand. Posted by: Dixie at September 29, 2016 04:45 PM (j4Kn7) Reports from friends who have been there are Socialism, all the way down.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 11:48 AM (d6TTt)

129 >>>who want to replace the Presidential Seal with Pepe the Frog Reminds me of the meme: "We should replace the presidential seal with a skunk. Half black, half white, and everything it does stinks".

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 29, 2016 11:48 AM (iFgwk)

130 104 Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) opened the door Thursday to changing legislation that allows families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S. court. "I do think it's worth further discussions," he told reporters when asked about a push by some senators to tweak the measure. Across the Capitol, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) agreed that Congress may need to "fix" the legislation, but said he wasn't sure when that would happen. The Hill I just want to wrap my arms around the GOP Congress and give'em all a great big hug.... Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:44 PM (kdS6q) Sounds like they are upset that Obama vetoed it and they were able to override the veto. "oops this is all on us now." And tweaks are supposed to happen before you pass it dumbasses. Man I wish I had a job that I could do, and do it completely wrong and still keep it.

Posted by: buzzion at September 29, 2016 11:48 AM (z/Ubi)

131 That was illegal, that was incandescently unconstitutional... .... No kidding. I can't believe they were able to pass the ACA either. Oh wait...that isn't what you're talking about?

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 11:49 AM (1H9ox)

132 So Trump is awful, H is super awful, DC is run by a power hungry uniparty, and the media is only concerned about feeding the power hungry uniparty. We are 20 trillion in debt with a low info voter majority bolstered by illegal voters. How do we unfuck ourselves? Not by elections.

Posted by: A Blinkin at September 29, 2016 11:49 AM (ucKOk)

133 One plus - with Hillary, we get more fat Venezuelan hookers.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 29, 2016 11:49 AM (rUnRu)

134 I love the Bever Trump people who think Hillary being president won't be a worst case scenario. Or the ones that think Trump would be worst. Some very delusional people out there justifying their inaction.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at September 29, 2016 11:50 AM (0x/TW)

135 "Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. " Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative. I listened to the debate with an open mind, and was disappointed again and again with his complete lack of understanding of basic conservatism. Quite frankly, I do not want to be associated with him. His only redeeming feature is that he isn't Hillary. And that might be enough for me to vote for him.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 11:50 AM (KHyOM)

136 104
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) opened the door Thursday to changing legislation that allows families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S. court. "I do think it's worth further discussions," he told reporters when asked about a push by some senators to tweak the measure.

Across the Capitol, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) agreed that Congress may need to "fix" the legislation, but said he wasn't sure when that would happen.

The Hill



I just want to wrap my arms around the GOP Congress and give'em all a great big hug....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:44 PM (kdS6q)


That f*ck Ryan just legitimized what Obama has been saying - that this legislation is wrong, it is a mistake.

Whoever has the barbwired pineapple, Ryan is in need of a dose of reality by it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:50 AM (jxbfJ)

137 Tell me again why *we* are deplorable, and why we are too good to do scorched earth? Obama is literally destroying Theil's business for speaking at the RNC. Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2016 04:47 PM (NOIQH) Barry's whole 8 years has been based on revenge. Revenge against the country he hates. Revenge against those he sees has supporting and building the country and its institutions.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 11:50 AM (493sH)

138 Has anyone checked with Justice Roberts for his rationalization of why this is perfectly OK?

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (SGh42)

139 Oh... and Assange says the next set of Hilary emails will show she was complicit in arming ISIS... That the whole CIA in Benghazi thing WAS to run guns to overthrow Assad, but they ended up in the hands of ISIS.

Posted by: Don Deplorable at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (qf6WZ)

140 " Are these "shy Trump" voters not being counted in polls? " I'd tell a pollster that I'm undecided.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (KHyOM)

141 I hate these people. Trump needs to stomp all of them.

Posted by: Kaldar at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (uA8nN)

142 139 Oh... and Assange says the next set of Hilary emails will show she was complicit in arming ISIS... That the whole CIA in Benghazi thing WAS to run guns to overthrow Assad, but they ended up in the hands of ISIS. Yawn Your media...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (O2RFr)

143 Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. Posted by: Lauren Why?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 29, 2016 11:51 AM (IqV8l)

144 I propose that this should be Hillary's new campaign song. Nickelback - Leader of Men https://youtu.be/PR_oGP4az3k Listen to the lyrics and you will understand.

Posted by: buzzion at September 29, 2016 11:52 AM (z/Ubi)

145 Trump should advise them that any Insurers who are still participating on Obamacare at the end of October will have to pay the money back. That should taken care of them.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 11:52 AM (iWW0H)

146 138 Has anyone checked with Justice Roberts for his rationalization of why this is perfectly OK? It's a Tax.

Posted by: John Iscariot Roberts at September 29, 2016 11:52 AM (WlGX+)

147 In the year our lord Obama, nothing a Democrat can do is illegal.

Republicans refuse to invorce the laws.

Therefore:
1. Democrats do not have to obey laws.
2. Republicans are defacto Democrats.

/yay! Change! Becuase both parties want to be Dictators and screw over the masses!

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 11:52 AM (tvyXw)

148 >>>who want to replace the Presidential Seal with Pepe the Frog

Unlike our current prezzy, who updated the WH logo that has a blue background/white WH so that the flag that appears in top of the WH is white instead of the stars and stripes.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5030/5790401098_b32c13f277_b.jpg

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at September 29, 2016 11:52 AM (NOIQH)

149 Hey, if you are going to loot something loot the Treasury. They can create more money anytime they need some. Winning!

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at September 29, 2016 11:53 AM (K8gH+)

150 His only redeeming feature is that he isn't Hillary. And that might be enough for me to vote for him. This is the Judge Smails election. You'll get Trump and like it. I my state becomes competitive (unlikely) and my vote might count, I'd probably hold my nose and think of the next few SCOTUS nominees. This business of pretending that that's a good thing is bullshit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2016 11:53 AM (mgbwf)

151 "The Treasury"? The United States has a "treasury"? With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury?

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 11:53 AM (SGh42)

152 "Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. " Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative. I listened to the debate with an open mind, and was disappointed again and again with his complete lack of understanding of basic conservatism. Quite frankly, I do not want to be associated with him. His only redeeming feature is that he isn't Hillary. And that might be enough for me to vote for him. .... Does one of those values happen to be actually being honest with your fellow upper middle class Christian friends?

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (1H9ox)

153 With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? IOU's?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (O2RFr)

154 Whomever the GOPe runs in 2020 will say all the right things. Will probably have a polished "populist message." will be the kinder and gentler Trump, the one to lead the battle... But once in office in 2014, likely, he or she will practice the same failure theater the GOPe has to practice today in order to pretend they represent the interests of the base while working to make every doner need, want or fantasy come true as we join what's left of the EU as America Lite

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (USf3s)

155
Barry's whole 8 years has been based on revenge. Revenge against the country he hates. Revenge against those he sees has supporting and building the country and its institutions.
---
That my platform too!

That and eliminating term limits for Presidents!

Posted by: King Hillary I at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (tvyXw)

156 151 "The Treasury"? The United States has a "treasury"? With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 04:53 PM (SGh42) ------------- Well somebody was paying attention in class.

Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (Sfs6o)

157 139 Oh... and Assange says the next set of Hilary emails will show she was complicit in arming ISIS...

That the whole CIA in Benghazi thing WAS to run guns to overthrow Assad, but they ended up in the hands of ISIS.

Posted by: Don Deplorable at September 29, 2016 04:51 PM (qf6WZ)

Waiting for him to put up or shut up.


taps foot....................

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 11:54 AM (jxbfJ)

158 And laws against rape dent some men's ability to have sex.

Posted by: Michael at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (KClXw)

159 Thursday's endorsements include former Reps. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.), Claudine Schneider (R-R.I.), and John Schwarz (R-Mich.) in addition to former officials in the Ford, Reagan and George W. Bush's administrations.

The Hill



The Waffen-SS GOP....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 04:40 PM (kdS6q)


Can I have my votes back?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2016 04:44 PM (qCMvj)



Somebody ought to go through DC, and hang "reserved" signs on lamp posts. "Reserved for xxxx", "Reserved for yyyy", etc., etc. And then post pics on the Web.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (o9m/V)

160 Looks like the credible death threat that cancelled Milo's speech in Florida may have come from the neo-nazis, not SJWs. Apparently the Stormtards put out a call for a "final solution to the k*ke Milo" yesterday that included coordinated attempts to shut down his speeches. Tards to the left of me, tards to the...well national socialists are to the left of me too.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (WlGX+)

161 I didn't think these stupid tactics would work with Romeny - dog on car, tampons, binders, other stupid shit. But it seemed to work and here we go again. Posted by: washrivergal And claiming his reference to "my five boys" was racist. Yup. I couldn't believe it either. But it worked.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (iFgwk)

162 I find the aroma skunks make, musky and pleasant.

Posted by: Joey 'Two Votes' Biden at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (nGtPk)

163 I certainly don't celebrate Trump, but good, ordinary people will be decimated by continuing to outlaw coal. And, poor people who don't get hand-outs will be the other side of that coin when their energy costs sky-rocket. And, that is why, if I profess to be someone who loves my neighbor, hillary cannot win. EPA.

Posted by: ever at September 29, 2016 11:55 AM (kronK)

164
Has anyone checked with Justice Roberts for his rationalization of why this is perfectly OK?
Posted by: RKae



I don't want the Feds to take my illegally adopted kids.

Posted by: Justice John "Bob" Roberts

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (kdS6q)

165 With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? IOU's? Posted by: deplorable donna ---- And a really big marker from Sky Masterson! We can cash that in when things get tough!

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (SGh42)

166

 

Oh... and Assange says the next set of Hilary emails will show she was complicit in arming ISIS...


 

I wouldn't count on him.

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (lKyWE)

167 69 She wasn't overweight. She was a goddamn manatee. Sad. Posted by: Donald Trump at September 29, 2016 04:38 PM (8ZskC) ............... uuuooooooooo (underwater mating sound)

Posted by: H-Roid at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (HgMAr)

168 >>>151 With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 04:53 PM (SGh42) Uncle Billy and a bottle of scotch?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (EWcNW)

169 That's weird that various memorials and such had to close when Obama was sitting on so much discretionary money.

Posted by: Michael at September 29, 2016 11:56 AM (KClXw)

170 It is beyond disturbing that people would even attempt to rationalize that Trump is a worse human being and worse candidate for POTUS than Hillary Clinton. After everything you know about her and what she would bring. Admit you are uncomfortable with change in your life and prefer the Status quo trajectory of this country because it benefits you.... Unlike the 85% it does not benefit in this country. Tyrrany of the Minority. It is a thang.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (pcbAL)

171 "Why? " Well to expand upon that, the people I associate with are basically nice church ladies. Nice church ladies don't like people who are brash and off color. They are *appalled* by the existence of Trump, regardless of his presidential ambitions. Married women are a reliably conservative base, but Trump is basically the exact opposite of the candidate you'd want if you were trying to attract these voters. If you want a candidate who will appeal to both blue collar men and white collar housewives, he better damn well be charming. Trump is repulsive to nice, fiscally conservative, pro-life, ballet moms. So, basically, upper middle class Christians. The beta males who are rejecting trump in NRO are probably doing so because their *wives* hate Trump.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (KHyOM)

172 >>>151 With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 04:53 PM (SGh42) Uncle Billy and a bottle of scotch? Posted by: Banana Splits Guy ---- And a book of Green Stamps left over from 1966.

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (SGh42)

173 I think I'm going to notionally 'adopt' some of the illegal alien border jumper chirrun' and begin claiming them as dependents.

Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (Sfs6o)

174 Even with the illegal propping up, the exchanges will die by the end of next year. 17 of 23 co-ops are gone. Aetna already yanked out, and many thought that was just a political ploy because of their pending merger. But guess what...BCBS, the gorilla in most individual health markets, is pulling out of markets left and right as we speak. Increases to the tune of 60% in states like TX and TN and more reasonable ones of 30% in states like IL and MO. The exchanges, at least, are gurgling out their last breaths. As was predicted.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (1H9ox)

175 the k*ke Milo"

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at September 29, 2016 04:55 PM (WlGX+)

I'm sort of amused that these retards think Milo is Jewish.

He's Catholic. But I'll take him as a member of the tribe.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (Zu3d9)

176 Quite frankly, I do not want to be associated with him.

His only redeeming feature is that he isn't Hillary.

And that might be enough for me to vote for him. Posted by: Lauren


I think that exact sentiment is true of most of his potential voters.  He is not someone I would ever consider worthy of the office, but he's the choice I have. 

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (LAe3v)

177 Trump is repulsive to nice, fiscally conservative, pro-life, ballet moms. And Hillary isn't? Seriously?

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (O2RFr)

178 I find the aroma skunks make, musky and pleasant. I actually do find it pleasant when it's a mile away. Kind of a reassurance that nature is all around us. A few years ago our very furry dog got a full shot of skunk at short range. That wasn't pleasant and musky. That was chemical warfare.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2016 11:58 AM (mgbwf)

179 With 19.5 trillion in debt, and 103.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, I wonder what the hell could possibly be in the treasury? IOU's? Posted by: deplorable donna ................ IOU a sack of trillion dollar coins. xoxo The Fed

Posted by: wth at September 29, 2016 11:59 AM (HgMAr)

180 One plus - with Hillary, we get more fat Venezuelan hookers.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 29, 2016 04:49 PM (rUnRu)



Well, they will be bone-racks when they first arrive, but once in a country with actual food, they won't stay that way long.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2016 11:59 AM (o9m/V)

181 132 So Trump is awful, H is super awful, DC is run by a power hungry uniparty, and the media is only concerned about feeding the power hungry uniparty. We are 20 trillion in debt with a low info voter majority bolstered by illegal voters. How do we unfuck ourselves? Not by elections. Posted by: A Blinkin I disagree. Trump is the best hope for the country, much better than McCain and Romney. He was the best hope out of the 17 candidates. While I liked Cruz' conservative bona fides more, he is impossible to elect, and none of the others would go after Hillary properly. Try the election route first. If that doesn't work, look for other alternatives, maybe the article 5 convention. Do that anyway.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 11:59 AM (iWW0H)

182 169 That's weird that various memorials and such had to close when Obama was sitting on so much discretionary money.

Posted by: Michael at September 29, 2016 04:56 PM (KClXw)


Like so many other incredibly imbecilic nonsense, Obama should have been run out of D.C. by his ears on that one.

Posted by: washrivergal madly and deeply deplorable at September 29, 2016 12:00 PM (CFc5L)

183 " Does one of those values happen to be actually being honest with your fellow upper middle class Christian friends?" I am honest. I say that I don't think that I can vote for Trump but am praying about it. That's as much as an endorsement as you'll ever get from any of us. Maybe a Cruz like "after much prayer, my conscience directs me to vote for Trump to preserve our country blah blah blah" But my honest feelings towards Trump are repulsion and the dread that he's the only option. Of course, I'm in Texas so angst over my vote is largely shoe gazing.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:00 PM (KHyOM)

184 170 It is beyond disturbing that people would even attempt to rationalize that Trump is a worse human being and worse candidate for POTUS than Hillary Clinton.

After everything you know about her and what she would bring.

Had a long chat with a HRC supporter yesterday.  In his eyes, Trump is a brute, emotionally abused Hillary during the debate, and Hillary's "crimes" are ok because she apologized.

This country is in dire need of Masengill.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:01 PM (jxbfJ)

185 152 "Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. " Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative. I have to ask the obvious. Aside from all of the great stuff the GOPe candidates say, how well they articulate conservative values, how well they seem to know the talking points... Show me a single example in the past 8 years where they stood up in any remotely meaningful way for any of those values. When we join the Global world as both parties are pushing, there are no conservative values. None. Zero. No bill of rights on the international stage. No democracy that is not a collective democracy. There is ABSOLUTELY NO indication that the GOPe is not on board with that EU globalization mode. I would suggest the only hope you have for the future of conservative values is a trump win, because for all their sweet words I'm having a hard time finding anyone in DC-- DEM or GOP--who really supports your values beyond the words required to get your vote.

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at September 29, 2016 12:01 PM (USf3s)

186 "And Hillary isn't? Seriously?" Of course she is. They won't be voting for her. But I know many, many people who are voting for write in candidates as a protest vote.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:01 PM (KHyOM)

187 I'm just glad the government is run so lean that if its revenues don't go up massively every year the first people hurt are policemen, firemen, and children. And the memorials have to close.

Posted by: Michael at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (KClXw)

188 Are these "shy Trump" voters not being counted in polls? " I'd tell a pollster that I'm undecided. Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 04:51 PM (KHyOM) Yes, Trump voters who give ground reports from rallies to when they get polled, the majority say they lie to the pollsters or say they are undecided People hate the media. Like blood spilling hate the media.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (pcbAL)

189 I see that for some, the objection to Trump is that he is a vulgarian, and also questionable in terms of morality, and has generally questionable principles. Now, vis a vis Hillary Clinton, how does he stack up, for truly that is the reality of the situation. Or there is the none of the above option, or some other party person. Doesn't it come down to what is best for the country, and not whether "I" feel comfortable with my choices. Or, maybe it doesn't.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (d6TTt)

190 180 One plus - with Hillary, we get more fat Venezuelan hookers.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 29, 2016 04:49 PM (rUnRu)

We don't.  Bill does.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (jxbfJ)

191 " That's weird that various memorials and such had to close when Obama was sitting on so much discretionary money." Yes, strange. Almost like there was a petty political motive behind the whole situation. *rubs chin*

Posted by: J. Comey at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (u6yLg)

192 Of course she is. They won't be voting for her. But I know many, many people who are voting for write in candidates as a protest vote. It's a free Country....... For now...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 12:02 PM (O2RFr)

193 Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative.
....
Does one of those values happen to be actually being honest with your fellow upper middle class Christian friends? Posted by: ajmojo


Apparently you think I'm ashamed of possessing the qualities that made me UMCC.  I'm not.  I worked my ass off to get where I am.  Donald Trump is not the kind of person with whom I would choose to associate.  If you don't like that, tough.

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 12:03 PM (LAe3v)

194 make it stop

Posted by: phoenixgirl, deplorable is better than despicable at September 29, 2016 12:03 PM (0O7c5)

195 Apparently they've decided it is so since they had a a higher % of Asian applicants than eventually hired. Never mind that this has no bearing on whether those applicants were qualified, or any other factors. Disparate impact, bitchez, we can use this to sue whomever we want!! -- Coupled with Hillbitch's "implicit bias," there is an awfully dark storm approaching and the country is talking about a fat chick.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at September 29, 2016 12:03 PM (+FSld)

196 Dammit, Jay!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 29, 2016 12:03 PM (u6yLg)

197 I haven't seen another vehicle besides mine with a TRUMP sticker. I'm special.

Posted by: Kevin C at September 29, 2016 12:03 PM (9khZC)

198 I tell anyone who asks me that I'm not voting for Trump reluctantly -- I fucking love the guy. That usually cuts short the yap-yap.

Posted by: Michael at September 29, 2016 12:04 PM (KClXw)

199 Trump is repulsive to nice, fiscally conservative, pro-life, ballet moms. hahahah Yeah?? What? ALL 5 of 'em?

Posted by: havildar-major at September 29, 2016 12:04 PM (jpW6t)

200 197 I haven't seen another vehicle besides mine with a TRUMP sticker.

I'm special.

Posted by: Kevin C at September 29, 2016 05:03 PM (9khZC)

Right.  I don't want my truck keyed -or worse.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:04 PM (jxbfJ)

201 Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative.

I listened to the debate with an open mind, and was disappointed again and again with his complete lack of understanding of basic conservatism.
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Some questions that are meant respectfully:

So Trump is "repulsive." What exactly has he done that is so repulsive and vulgar? And... so what? Are you inviting him to your daughters wedding? Are you afraid he'll get drunk and fall into the cake? Or hit on your Mother?

He's a successful businessman. He has done things many people have not. Is it beucase he is seen as a class traitor becuase he is trying to appeal to "the lower  classes."

What specific values is he against? Yes, he is divorced. Many politicians are divorced. He has a family that he is obviously close to. He is reaching out to different races, which policians don't always do, especially Republicans. Is it his stance on abortion? Or some other specific issue?

If it's just being conservative.. once again, so what? Is he more conservative than Hillary? Is he more likely to have solid ideas to make America a better place, or will all of us do better with a million or so Muslims with b0mbs roaming the country? 

Finally, look at WWII. We were on the same side as effing Stalin. What would have happened if we said "Gee Joseph, we could really use your help in this war, but you're just not democratic for us; you're just not the type of people we want on our side. Best of luck and all?"

Is the final asnwer "Sorry Donald, you're not conservative eough, so I'll throw my lot behind the vindictive communist crimiminal with potential brain damage who will undoubtely bring bankruptcy, war and strife to the nation."


Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (tvyXw)

202 The Beast is at Midway Airport in Chicago. The lapdog media is yukking it up with her on her plane. Someone must have told her to laugh and look more down to earth. But she started cackling and her head went all the way back. She looked like she was having a seizure.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (493sH)

203 I think implicit bias is a problem for everyone in this country, not just police. I think, unfortunately, too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. And therefore, I think all of us as Americans need to be asking hard questions about, you know, why am I feeling this way? Why are we Americans so deplorable? So irredeemable? To me, this is fundamentally a problem of mental health. Look, it's fun not to be a racist, not to be a xenophobe, not to be an Islamophobe. That's why I refer to them as Fun Camps, and at the same time as my administration is granting citizenship to all undocumented immigrants, we will be providing the necessary help to those people mired in deplorableness and poor mental health through our program of Fun Camps, to rid themselves of these implicit biases.

Posted by: Hillary at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (fgOnp)

204 "I would suggest the only hope you have for the future of conservative values is a trump win, because for all their sweet words I'm having a hard time finding anyone in DC-- DEM or GOP--who really supports your values beyond the words required to get your vote." Oh I agree. Most are just as terrible at representing my values as Trump is. They just don't also embarrass me while betraying their stated values. I fully anticipate Trump governing as a liberal because it's who he is and populism skews left. But I also fully anticipate him having 26 scandals a day where he calls a reporter a fat sow or some stupid thing and I'd rather not have to defend that. Again, not that there's a choice. But there is value in being able to say "you know what, I didn't vote for the asshole" and that's what many of my friends are holding onto.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (KHyOM)

205 Milo's mum is Jewish by birth iirc.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (jr1HN)

206 I thought it was going to read Obama looted the treasury to make illegal payments to his Iranian freinds

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:05 PM (ofpt4)

207 177 Trump is repulsive to nice, fiscally conservative, pro-life, ballet moms.

And Hillary isn't? Seriously? Posted by: deplorable donna


Why do you assume that Trump can't be repulsive and still better than Hillary?  Hillary's manifest unfitness for the office is not proof that Trump is fit.

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 12:06 PM (LAe3v)

208 184 170 It is beyond disturbing that people would even attempt to rationalize that Trump is a worse human being and worse candidate for POTUS than Hillary Clinton. After everything you know about her and what she would bring. Had a long chat with a HRC supporter yesterday. In his eyes, Trump is a brute, emotionally abused Hillary during the debate, and Hillary's "crimes" are ok because she apologized. This country is in dire need of Masengill. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 05:01 PM (jxbfJ) We are being set up and agitated to tear each other apart spilling blood no matter who wins the election. Why? Because that is how the people in power can hold onto that power. And by people in power I mean Globalists. Their useful idiots will be left to burn with the rest of the country.

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 29, 2016 12:06 PM (pcbAL)

209 "And a book of Green Stamps left over from 1966." *snort* We still have the set of dinnerware my mom got using S&H. She thought they were so nice and wanted them so bad. Early 80's vintage. I'll entertain offers.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 29, 2016 12:07 PM (u6yLg)

210 A fat chick who cheated hard and enthusiastically on her fiance live on Spanish reality TV. She's a POS.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2016 12:07 PM (jr1HN)

211 I suggest stop trying to convince Nevertrumpers with reason. They'll vote for Hillary because they think that Trump- like Reagan before him--is dangerous, or they like Hillary or think she's the key to maintaining their payday or whatever. Or maybe they'll vote Trump but are embarrassed to say because of their principled stand. But reasoning with them is not going to have an impact, imho.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 12:07 PM (iWW0H)

212 Why do you assume that Trump can't be repulsive and still better than Hillary? Hillary's manifest unfitness for the office is not proof that Trump is fit. I don't.... I just don't get it I guess..... Trump was certainly not my first choice..... not even close.... but now he's my only choice...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 12:07 PM (O2RFr)

213 210 A fat chick who cheated hard and enthusiastically on her fiance live on Spanish reality TV. She's a POS.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2016 05:07 PM (jr1HN)

Anybody got her number?  Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 29, 2016 12:08 PM (jxbfJ)

214 Ace the political correct term is "As a country thats not who we are."

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:08 PM (ofpt4)

215 OT, but Maggies has a great "Welcome To Wisconsin" sign pictured at their site today. It looks real. Is it real? I hope so. http://tinyurl.com/zgpmhpx

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:08 PM (/m8T6)

216 Nice church ladies don't like people who are brash and off color. They are *appalled* by the existence of Trump, regardless of his presidential ambitions.
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So basically nice church ladies are all style and no substance? They don't care what you do as long as you have the right manners and know the right people?

Seems to me that all of these nice church ladies are liberal Democrats who voted for the nice polite african american man and will vote for that lovely women Hillary. Her husband seems super nice too.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:08 PM (tvyXw)

217 In 2014 this happened. *AFTER* we gave the Republicans majorities in both houses of congress. It is probably not as bad as Fast and Furious but that happened before the GOP had enough votes to do squat so I can forgive them for doing squat about that. I *will* still vote for my incumbent GOP rep this election, he is a 2014 guy, long term GOPer though and probably way too cozy with the beltway folks but better than the D at this point. Still, electing Trump is only one first step to addressing the rot in DC. Almost every incumbent congress critter needs to be tossed out and a whole lot of bureaucrats need to be removed from all the various federal agencies. Perhaps if the world banking house of cards collapses and the government is broke a Trump president might be able to use that as an opportunity to fire most of the EPA, DOE, other DOE etcetera. We know a president Hillary would just use the excuse to impose price controls on food and housing ala Venezuela et al.

Posted by: Palerider at September 29, 2016 12:08 PM (dkExz)

218 212
I don't.... I just don't get it I guess..... Trump was certainly not my first choice..... not even close.... but now he's my only choice...

Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 05:07 PM (O2RFr)


I think that sums it up for most of us here.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:09 PM (jxbfJ)

219 Trump is the only option. If he's elected, then the press, democrats, and republicans will line up to impeach him if he steps out of line. If Hillary is elected, the weaponization of the IRS, FBI, etc continues unabated - as the press would never do their jobs, and a democrat would never vote to impeach one of their own. If she does win, I'm retiring as soon as possible and pray they don't come after my 401k.

Posted by: Lymond at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (wH6vD)

220 Nice church ladies don't like people who are brash and off color. They are *appalled* by the existence of Trump, regardless of his presidential ambitions Posted by: Lauren Nice "church ladies" should be more concerned with how the left wants to shut down their right to practice their religion. Trump will make damn sure they get to continue to do so. Merry Christmas.

Posted by: T-Squared at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (VkAIj)

221 Weren't you a little hard on the Bever Trump people last night, Ward?

Posted by: june cleaver at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (LdMbv)

222 Impeachment would be a good solution to this problem of faithless execution of the laws and defending of the Constitution. Impeachment of Republican lawmakers, I mean.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (/m8T6)

223

 

Nice church ladies don't like people who are brash and off color. They
are *appalled* by the existence of Trump,

 

 

That doesn't sound very christian

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (lKyWE)

224 Yes, anyone silly enough to vote Hillary or not vote is best ignored. Speaking of silly, I bet the Zerohedgers are in hysterics over the Deutsche Bank derivative issue.

Posted by: Meremortal at September 29, 2016 12:10 PM (MNZrw)

225 Again, not that there's a choice. But there is value in being able to say "you know what, I didn't vote for the asshole" and that's what many of my friends are holding onto. Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:05 PM (KHyOM Lauren, you should ask your friends if they are ok with Hillary using a Weaponized Government to go after all of her enemies and innocent citizens, like Christians? Ask them if that is ok in their Christian eyes? (It dang sure is not in mine)

Posted by: Pepe, The Irredeemable at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (pcbAL)

226 212 Why do you assume that Trump can't be repulsive and still better than Hillary? Hillary's manifest unfitness for the office is not proof that Trump is fit. I don't.... I just don't get it I guess..... Trump was certainly not my first choice..... not even close.... but now he's my only choice... Posted by: deplorable donna at September 29, 2016 05:07 PM (O2RFr) He was not mine either. Not even choice three or four. But- so what? He looks great in comparison to Hillary. 3 issues 1. Courts 2. Immigration 3. American Economy What I think of the guy, as the guy, is irrelevant.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (d6TTt)

227 "So Trump is "repulsive." What exactly has he done that is so repulsive and vulgar? And... so what? Are you inviting him to your daughters wedding? Are you afraid he'll get drunk and fall into the cake? Or hit on your Mother?" Don't be stupid. You know what he's done. We all know what he's done. It's entertaining when it's Rosie vs The Donald circa 2008. It's less endearing when it's the man representing the country. "Is it beucase he is seen as a class traitor becuase he is trying to appeal to "the lower classes." I couldn't care less about that. I like plumbers and truckers much better than most CEOs. "What specific values is he against? Yes, he is divorced. Many politicians are divorced. He has a family that he is obviously close to. He is reaching out to different races, which policians don't always do, especially Republicans. Is it his stance on abortion? Or some other specific issue?" It's everything. He has no foundation of conservatism. His defense of religious liberty is laughable. His claims of being pro-life are absurd (PP is awesome!) and he has no understanding of any conservative idea at all outside of his favorite Trade Agreements!!! hobby horse. "Is he more conservative than Hillary? Is he more likely to have solid ideas to make America a better place, or will all of us do better with a million or so Muslims with b0mbs roaming the country? " Presumably. Though nothing in his past suggests this. Will he nominate better judges. I hope so. Will he actually do anything about the border and the muslim issue? Maybe. You'd think yes, but he's already back tracked on a good deal of that so, again, who knows. We know Hillary will be terrible. Trump might possibly not be terrible. That's enough to make him the better option, obviously, but that doesn't make him a good option.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (KHyOM)

228 Had a long chat with a HRC supporter yesterday. In his eyes, Trump is a brute, emotionally abused Hillary during the debate, and Hillary's "crimes" are ok because she apologized.
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I have a good friend who is a very emotional gay man with zero capacity for logic. He was OK with Trump, but after the debate, went 100% to Hillary.

Trump is mean. He interrupted Hillary! I don't like him. Where are his tax returns? Hillary seems so nice.

I sort of went off on him big time, and then finally said we can't talk about politics any more.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (tvyXw)

229 #NeverSkunk

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (VdICR)

230 Does one of those values happen to be actually being honest with your fellow upper middle class Christian friends? Posted by: ajmojo Apparently you think I'm ashamed of possessing the qualities that made me UMCC. I'm not. I worked my ass off to get where I am. Donald Trump is not the kind of person with whom I would choose to associate. If you don't like that, tough. ... Nope. I don't presume anything of the sort. The original statement I responded to and quoted was "Here's the thing. As a upper middle class Christian wife/mother I can't admit to voting for Trump. " If a person votes for someone but can't admit it to their circle of friends/influence (by extrapolation...says they vote for someone else) for fear of reprisal or exclusion, I question if honesty/transparency among said circle is a value dearly held.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (1H9ox)

231 Again, not that there's a choice. But there is value in being able to say "you know what, I didn't vote for the asshole" and that's what many of my friends are holding onto. Even if it means a fundamental and permanent shift away from a United States founded with a Bill or Rights, and where, as in Europe today, you can only express your values in your living room because the wrong post on a website about gay marriage or Muslim immigrants will have you in front of a court. Again, as is the case today in Europe and it most certainly is the direction being pushed today by the DNC and with virtually no opposition from the GOPe. There will be no president Santorum. And don't expect a future Jeb or Mario to stand in the way of progress...

Posted by: Keith not a one-named troll at September 29, 2016 12:11 PM (USf3s)

232 Being a nice conservative upper middle class person is not going to get you an exemption from Hillary's happy fun reeducation camp. Basically that's what they think, right - Hillary as POTUS means no change in their lifestyle. #smh

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (Om16U)

233 "Trump will make damn sure they get to continue to do so." Maybe. He doesn't seem to have much of an understanding of religious liberty.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (KHyOM)

234 >>>205 Milo's mum is Jewish by birth iirc. These kinds of relationships work ALL THE TIME. Nice Jewish brown-eyed quirky girl, and goofy pancake-loving cartoon-watching guy. It's storybook, man.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (EWcNW)

235 177 Trump is repulsive to nice, fiscally conservative, pro-life, ballet moms. And Hillary isn't? Seriously? -------------- Exactly! Pro-abort justices on the Supreme Court for generations.

Posted by: Kaldar at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (uA8nN)

236 I don't.... I just don't get it I guess..... Trump was certainly not my first choice..... not even close.... but now he's my only choice... Posted by: deplorable donna

Agreed, but let's not kid ourselves that he's a good choice.

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (LAe3v)

237 >>>This is the Judge Smails election. You'll get Trump and like it. Getting nothing is preferable to getting stage 4 cancer, which is what Hillary would be to the republic.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 29, 2016 12:12 PM (iFgwk)

238 If you are a "mom" and you don't like Trump, how do you justify you are helping a woman who re-victimized a 12 yo Kathy Shelton? If you have not seen "First degree rape (hillary clinton)" on youtube, I would suggest you do so. Or, listen to the 1980's interview, it is even more disgusting. Trump is vulgar; hillary hates you and your child, if it is convenient to her plans.

Posted by: ever at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (kronK)

239 I thought it was going to read
Obama looted the treasury to make illegal payments to his Iranian freinds

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 05:05 PM (ofpt4)



Well, it's not like he needs only one reason, or one episode of looting. He thinks it's a self-healing piggy bank.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (o9m/V)

240 Trump is indeed our only choice. It isn't even a close call. If there was no way he could win, if he were miles behind and had no chance, then I'd say, fine, vote for Tom, Dick or Louise. But he's close, and has led at various times. He will probably lead again, and electing the Not Fascist candidate is of absolutely paramount importance. Vote Trump.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (/m8T6)

241 We know Hillary will be terrible. Trump might possibly not be terrible.

That's enough to make him the better option, obviously, but that doesn't make him a good option.
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So we have something we agree on.


Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (tvyXw)

242 "I mean, Trump called an overweight beauty pageant winner overweight." Obviously an all-important subject today, since it allegedly happened 20 years ago. I mean, if he's elected POTUS, who KNOWS what insults we might find out he hurled at somebody FIFTY years ago!?!

Posted by: Optimizer at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (EnK/R)

243 yeah, no Gettysburg or Vicksburg


It will be like the English Civil War, with regional and religious aspects but mostly a struggle of an entrenched elite against a 'rising middle'


only worse; much, much worse.  the Roundheads and Cavaliers didn't have AR-15s

Posted by: Leonard Alfred Schneider at September 29, 2016 12:13 PM (/542q)

244 228 Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 05:11 PM (tvyXw)

Had a guy just like that in the Imperial Romulan Fleet back in 2012....

"I am GETTING UPSET!!"

Ok then, I am looking forward to being a hyper-pu**y hurt Donk in 2018

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:14 PM (SzZnW)

245 Obama looted the treasury to make illegal payments to his Iranian freinds Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 05:05 PM (ofpt4) ------------------------------------------------------ Well, it's not like he needs only one reason, or one episode of looting. He thinks it's a self-healing piggy bank. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2016 05:13 PM (o9m/V) ------------------------------------------------------- This.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:14 PM (/m8T6)

246 "That doesn't sound very Christian" They'll pray for his soul and hope for a real conversion, same as they would any other objectionable character.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:14 PM (KHyOM)

247 I haven't seen another vehicle besides mine with a TRUMP sticker. I'm special. Posted by: Kevin C at September 29, 2016 05:03 PM (9khZC) Right. I don't want my truck keyed -or worse. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 05:04 PM Let them key away or worse. But, I may start carrying with a round in the chamber.

Posted by: Kevin C at September 29, 2016 12:14 PM (9khZC)

248 243 Posted by: Leonard Alfred Schneider at September 29, 2016 05:13 PM (/542q)

Didn't need them.....you burn the opfor out.

//O Cromwell

My family lost everything upon the resumption....

we wound up here...I wonder where we will wind up next?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:15 PM (SzZnW)

249 "Weren't you a little hard on the Bever Trump people " Is there like a club?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 29, 2016 12:15 PM (u6yLg)

250 232 Being a nice conservative upper middle class person is not going to get you an exemption from Hillary's happy fun reeducation camp.

Basically that's what they think, right - Hillary as POTUS means no change in their lifestyle.

#smh

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 05:12 PM (Om16U)


Any member of what is left of the middle class who thinks they are safe from Hillary is a fool.

1) Got guns  ->  you won't for long

2) Got a nest egg?  401k IRAs?  --> not for long

3) Want to leave something for your kids/grandkids?  --> Oh, so sorry - death tax.  They get nothing and they'll like it.

4) Got a business?  Not any more after taxes, more regulations, etc.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:15 PM (jxbfJ)

251 246 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:14 PM (KHyOM)

Something tells me that the Mocha Messiah's existence doesn't bother them so....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (SzZnW)

252 "If there was no way he could win, if he were miles behind and had no chance, then I'd say, fine, vote for Tom, Dick or Louise. But he's close, and has led at various times. He will probably lead again, and electing the Not Fascist candidate is of absolutely paramount importance" This is actually what is swaying me to consider voting Trump. When he was down 8 it didn't matter. It still doesn't really matter from Texas, but now there is a chance that Hillary could be stopped.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (KHyOM)

253 Trump is mean. He interrupted Hillary! I don't like him. Where are his tax returns? Hillary seems so nice. I sort of went off on him big time, and then finally said we can't talk about politics any more. Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 05:11 PM (tvyXw) Translation: You make him feel dumb and question his certainties and he can't have that.

Posted by: buzzion at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (z/Ubi)

254 249 "Weren't you a little hard on the Bever Trump people "




Is there like a club?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 29, 2016 05:15 PM (u6yLg)


I do. It's called Lucille.

Posted by: Negan from Walking Dead at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (jxbfJ)

255 Think of voting for Trump like buying a lotto ticket. Except it's free. Why not?

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (Om16U)

256 I saw someone with a Trump decal on their car.Inside the rear window where it couldn't be keyed.Well,I suppose they could smash the window...

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (fA75F)

257 Here's my bottom line - I am no longer interested in your opinion, particularly where it deviates from mine. You vote for Hillary!, you are actively voting against pretty much everything I think is important and supporting the enemy and the enemy party. Do not expect me to put political differences aside and go along in other aspects of life like everything is normal. In short, Fuck You. War.

Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (Sfs6o)

258 "Something tells me that the Mocha Messiah's existence doesn't bother them so...." Oh, they very much dislike him as well. Smug looks good on no one.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (KHyOM)

259 only worse; much, much worse. the Cavaliers didn't have AR-15s They didn't need them. Just ask the Irish. Google Drogheda if you really need to...

Posted by: havildar-major at September 29, 2016 12:16 PM (jpW6t)

260 Trump's new "Follow the money" is good, might make a Bernie supporter think.

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (ofpt4)

261 To those worried about Trump, I remind you we all have a duty to defend and protect the Constitution. We all need to step up. Our kids are counting on us. Heck, the world is counting on us, our friends and allies especially. Canada can't take on the Russkies in the arctic all by itself, just as one example.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (/m8T6)

262 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 04:50 PM (KHyOM) Please make the fact that he isn't Hillary enough to make you vote for him. I know someone who used to work in the State Department. He wasn't directly under the authority of Hillary, but he knew people who were. He was an army chaplain. Hillary didn't even like people to mention their Christian faith. She's been given 50 million by the Saudis. People in the State Department considered her pathologically mean. if she gets in as President Christians, conservatives and anyone else on her enemy list will have the full brunt of the Government against them- even more than Obama has done

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (EnGQE)

263 253 Trump is mean. He interrupted Hillary! I don't like him. Where are his tax returns? Hillary seems so nice.

I sort of went off on him big time, and then finally said we can't talk about politics any more.
Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 05:11 PM (tvyXw)



Translation: You make him feel dumb and question his certainties and he can't have that.

Posted by: buzzion at September 29, 2016 05:16 PM (z/Ubi)

Gees, I should go copy/paste the exchange I had with the Hillary supporter here.  Makes for good reading.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (jxbfJ)

264 27 Don't worry guys. Hillary's election will only serve to bring about #Texit. Better establish residency before it's too late.... Posted by: Texas Zombie at September 29, 2016 04:30 PM (SUtNI) --- Well, would probably still be able to slip over the border - but now that I think about it, I definitely want to open an account in a Texas bank asap so I'll have money when I get there.

Posted by: Lymond at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (wH6vD)

265 Yes,do not vote for Mr. Trump because he says mean things! Oh, the horror! What a bunch of wet wipes the Never Trumpers are. I thought, for sure, Sen Cruz might make them wake the hell up. But, nooooooooooooooo. Their principles and Mr. Trump makes fun of Rosie. You are also not a true Moron if this offends you. One would think, on top of Obongo's robbing the treasury and writing executive orders as often as he "golfs" with iReggie or has a BM (which he selfies), you'd think...hey, on October 1st this corrupt, limp-wristed, pigeon-toed dicktater is giving the Internet to the UN! And Shrillary, no doubt, approves...as we sure as shootin' would not have seen her done fall out on 9/11 if the UN owned this here thang. We cannot even list in one day the damage this Flap Ear has done to this country. And our stupid GOP Congress, cowards almost all, line up behind him for a Bunny Hop. ONE Congressional veto. ONE. Pathetic. And, wait? The GOP have been the majority for two years. pfft I'll try: Obamacare, destroying the Middle East (Hillary visiting her 120 countries), Benghazi...do not get me started on Benghazi, and she IS the Beast of Benghazi, ignoring our veterans and the VA: no firiing, nothing...losing 22 a day to suicide. Not having a freaking budget for 8 yrs. Diminishing allies across the world with utter stupidity on top of lack of class (he'd rather high-five the basketball NCAA bracket than put his pipe down and work). Apologizing for the United States of America. Bowing to dicktaters. Bowing to anyone. Not jumping to conclusions except for white police killing black men...who cares about Ft. Hood or any other terrorist attack in the US by his precious moose limbs? Half the time he does not comment at all...would not want to offend. Raising taxes. Depleting the military. Giving Isis the gift of Iraq. Gun running to Syria. Destroying Libya and killing heads of state in their bumbling foreign policy. Emails, oh, wait,he did not know til he saw on news! to corrupt Haggard Harridan Hillary....all but inviting our enemies to read national security secrets, or, as Catherine Herridge said in January, the "Crown Jewels" of national security. Bringing in unvetted Syrians and, oh, 1 million of his precious moose limbs in 8 yrs. Ignoring the border. Strapping the border patrol and our military so that they cannot defend themselves or our country. Crap like that. Anyone who sits this one out is a friend to the above. It means you condone giving our country away to more of the same. I love you all but this really ticks me off (if you cannot see the steam coming off my keyboard). Have a good weekend. Maybe we will still have an Internet next week. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at September 29, 2016 12:17 PM (Cx8BK)

266 258 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:16 PM (KHyOM)

Sure....

Just as vociferous too I bet....

behold the power of black democratonium

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:18 PM (SzZnW)

267 What Ms Blinky says Smooches

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 12:18 PM (+kpYV)

268 " #NeverSkunk" *nods in knowing agreement*

Posted by: The Racoon at September 29, 2016 12:18 PM (u6yLg)

269 Can I be a pikeman if we're going English Civil War?

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:18 PM (ofpt4)

270 That Donald Trump is rude. Look at him! His skin is orange. And that hair! He had public fights on tv, and hates unborn babies. And Jesus.

But Hillary, she's so pretty for her age. And she's a grandma, just like us! And she's a good wife-- she stood by even though so many, many women said her husband raped them. And even went out of her way to protect her husband when these evil women went after that poor, innocent man.

Hillary is just like us. Polite, clean and never says the wrong thing. She even wears ugly long woold coats in the summer just like we do!

She's dreamy. Just like Obama. We love him too, even though he favors live birth aboritons and gay marriage.

Posted by: christian ladies everywhere at September 29, 2016 12:19 PM (tvyXw)

271 The Middle Class is the Left's prime target. They only want an underclass and an elite.

Posted by: votermom the deplorable @vm at September 29, 2016 12:19 PM (Om16U)

272 Reports from friends who have been there are Socialism, all the way down. Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 04:48 PM (d6TTt) DAMNIT!

Posted by: Dixie at September 29, 2016 12:19 PM (j4Kn7)

273 >>>Apparently the Stormtards put out a call for a "final solution to the k*ke Milo" yesterday that included coordinated attempts to shut down his speeches. Sure it wasn't for the other reason? He kind of wears his sexuality on his sleeve - he has more notoriety for that than for being Jewish.

Posted by: Yuimetal at September 29, 2016 12:20 PM (iFgwk)

274 269 Can I be a pikeman if we're going English Civil War? Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 05:18 PM (ofpt4) Honey lamb, you can be who ev-ah you want. Don'cha know this is the age of "self identification"?

Posted by: havildar-major at September 29, 2016 12:21 PM (jpW6t)

275 "Sure.... Just as vociferous too I bet...." Yes. They are all very, very anti Obama. And very anti-Hillary. Trump may be able to somehow salvage these votes. Ivanka is giving it a try and may be reaching some. What he needs to do, above all, is seem reasonable over the next two debates. He needs to do some damn homework and actually learn the language of conservatism and, ffs, refute stupid Hillary when she makes her lame "Republicans caused all the problems in the world" claims. Show the capacity for growth and he might win some people over. We'll see.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:21 PM (KHyOM)

276 T-Squared, I'd say you were getting off on the right foot here, but
you know the Horde as well as I do.

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:21 PM (H5rtT)

277 252 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:16 PM (KHyOM) ========================== Funnily enough Lauren, I wouldn't count him out even at -8, but YMMV on that one. This election is "bouncy" as Tigger used to say in my kids Disney videos.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2016 12:22 PM (/m8T6)

278 Translation: You make him feel dumb and question his certainties and he can't have that.

Posted by: buzzion at September 29, 2016 05:16 PM (z/Ubi)
---

Why thank you Buzzion! I am much smarter than him regarding politics; he just pretends, and is, in the end, somewhat of a LIV.  But I don't tell him that becuase he does have a good heart.

The funny thing about it is that the  gay friend has a partner who is VERY Republican. So he has two people close to him on the Trump bandwagon.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:22 PM (tvyXw)

279 It's a secret ballot.You can vote for Trump than tell everyone you voted for Hillary,or the pothead or whatever.

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2016 12:23 PM (fA75F)

280 276 "T-Squared, I'd say you were getting off on the right foot here, but you know the Horde as well as I do." Been watching and learning for a long time.

Posted by: T-Squared at September 29, 2016 12:23 PM (VkAIj)

281 It's a secret ballot.You can vote for Trump than tell everyone you voted for Hillary,or the pothead or whatever.

THIS.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (tvyXw)

282 275 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:21 PM (KHyOM)

Yup....

Look it is no skin off my nose I have not set foot in a church since Louisiana given that too many churches have gone Liberation Theology.

Hillary bathes, literally in baby's blood....

I think in defeat the Christian Community needs a rhetorical bloodletting as much as the GOP.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (SzZnW)

283 People in the State Department considered her pathologically mean. if she gets in as President Christians, conservatives and anyone else on her enemy list will have the full brunt of the Government against them- even more than Obama has done. But Christians will still have their religious freedoms, right? Because Trump is icky. Right?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (ApT0U)

284

 

Hillary set up a charity and used it to  make herself enormously rich while throwing a few crumbs to the poor for appearences.I can't think of anything more un-christian than that

Posted by: Deplorabe Male Logic at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (lKyWE)

285 I have been looking at the current "Evangelical Christian" voting group with a good deal of suspicion for a while now. I in no way would ever label them Conservative automatically. The terms Syncretism and Moral Relativity come to mind too frequently to do that.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (d6TTt)

286 Remember brexit. Exit pollsters got lied to. They were sure they lost

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 12:24 PM (+kpYV)

287 278 Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at September 29, 2016 05:22 PM (tvyXw)

Your GBFF is obviously the bottom then.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:25 PM (SzZnW)

288 "Hillary is just like us. Polite, clean and never says the wrong thing. She even wears ugly long woold coats in the summer just like we do! She's dreamy. Just like Obama. We love him too, even though he favors live birth aboritons and gay marriage. " Nope. They think that Hillary and Obama are despicable. Listen or don't listen, it doesn't matter since it's not you who needs to change anyway, but you're not understanding who I'm referring to. These are very conservative people who have voted Republican in every election since they were 18. They think Obama has been a walking disaster and think Hillary is a lying felon. They feel about Hillary and Obama just as you do. They just also feel personal embarrassment over being in any way associated with Trump. Trump could fix that if he would stop being a bumbling ass for 5 minutes, but it's worked for 70 years so he sees no need to do it now. Like I said, they ultimately may vote for him anyway to forestall the apocalypse, but you are not ever going to see them in a Trump hat, and they're going to deeply resent anyone who tries to strongarm them into supporting him.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:25 PM (KHyOM)

289 T-Squared, I'd say you were getting off on the right foot here, but you know the Horde as well as I do." Been watching and learning for a long time. Posted by: T-Squared We are so screwed.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 12:25 PM (ApT0U)

290 I for one intend to sleep peaceably in my bed tonight because an orange-haired vulgarian stands ready to do violence on my behalf.


Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:26 PM (H5rtT)

291 Saying "Radical Islam" Barak says lumps them in with a billion Muzzies, Just read the book and it will exactly point that way.

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:26 PM (ofpt4)

292 "It's a secret ballot.You can vote for Trump than tell everyone you voted for Hillary,or the pothead or whatever. " We might see a lot of that. Of course, "secret" ballot may have a different meaning if Hillary is elected.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:26 PM (KHyOM)

293 Remember brexit. Exit pollsters got lied to. They were sure they lost
Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 05:24 PM (+kpYV)

It's not the votes that matter; it's who counts the votes that matter.

Posted by: Uncle Joe at September 29, 2016 12:27 PM (EIB5Y)

294 So Hes saying they are ALL radical Mmmkkkkk

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 12:27 PM (+kpYV)

295 We are so screwed. Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2016 05:25 PM (ApT0U) Explain?

Posted by: T-Squared at September 29, 2016 12:27 PM (VkAIj)

296 It's not the votes that matter; it's who counts the votes that matter. Posted by: Uncle Joe at September 29, 2016 05:27 PM (EIB5Y) Fair, apt point.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:28 PM (d6TTt)

297 This election is like a horse race. You got your Northern Dancer and your Seabiscuit, and either one could win. Then you have 3 spavined burros from the petting zoo. They're cute and cuddly, but can't run worth shit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2016 12:28 PM (o9m/V)

298 The most irritating thing about Obama's "don't want to lump them all in blah blah blah" thing was Captain Ed doing his famous "in fairness" bullshit and saying that such a premise might have merit. It's in the damn book, you idiot.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:28 PM (KHyOM)

299 285 Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 05:24 PM (d6TTt)

I used to be bewildered at my former Catholic Faith's "pro choice" contingent....

well Protestants are quite capable of dual think on baby butchery too.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 29, 2016 12:29 PM (SzZnW)

300 Pamela Gellar today had today what I have said, Barak's upbringing has given him a sweet spot for Islam.

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:29 PM (ofpt4)

301 Hillary is playing the role of race horse About To Be Glue

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2016 12:29 PM (+kpYV)

302 Damn it! I just figured it out! The "treasury" money! It's "Obama money" from his stash!

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 12:29 PM (SGh42)

303 We are so screwed. Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2016 05:25 PM (ApT0U) Explain? You know how bad and debouched we are and we can't bs you. LOL.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 12:29 PM (ApT0U)

304 People need to consider c & pasting Christy's excellent post, save it to their own e-mail mail and making up post it notes with parts of it to put in papers or in the supermarket or on a white board sign.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:30 PM (EnGQE)

305 If I could see the whole comment block at one time I'd be much more coherent, that and a bigger typewriter on my tablet.

Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2016 12:31 PM (ofpt4)

306 303-You could even make a list of the things and send them to any friends you might have who are on the fence,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:31 PM (EnGQE)

307 T-Squared, I made a dirty little joke. You replied, quite correctly, that you knew the Horde well. And Rick lamented that you probably won't be making the rookie mistake of stepping into our dirty little jokes. You're doing fine. Rick and I are dirty old men who respect you. Don't think that'll save you for a moment, though. We're just trying to get to meet your Well-Armed Private Army.

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:31 PM (H5rtT)

308 People in the State Department considered her pathologically mean. if she gets in as President Christians, conservatives and anyone else on her enemy list will have the full brunt of the Government against them- even more than Obama has done. ---- Her quote "Religious beliefs are going to have to change" sure sent a shiver down my spine! Her notion of the role of government scares the hell out of me!

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 12:32 PM (SGh42)

309 You know how bad and debouched we are and we can't bs you. LOL. Posted by: rickb223 A compliment I think...

Posted by: T-Squared at September 29, 2016 12:32 PM (VkAIj)

310 Her notion of the role of government scares the hell out of me! Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2016 05:32 PM (SGh42) Hillary - Fascist Trump - Not Fascist This is such a simple election.

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:33 PM (d6TTt)

311 @309 You're goddamned right it is. Highest praise we give out around here.

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:34 PM (H5rtT)

312 Trump will totally never do this, you guys. He would never bend the rules for his personal gain.

Posted by: Carl at September 29, 2016 04:30 PM (xhHQt)
---
if he tried, the MFM and Congress would be all over him...

unlike Obola, or Hillary.

but your concern is noted.

(not)

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 29, 2016 12:34 PM (aEZpQ)

313 Listen or don't listen, it doesn't matter since it's not you who needs to change anyway, but you're not understanding who I'm referring to. ... I understand who you're referring to. I think, perhaps, "they" do not understand the volume of Trump voters...let's say 50% for an arbitrary relates to nothing that was said recently number and call them , oh I don't know...Deplorables...who think "they" are just another component of the "establishment". And the "establishment" has not exactly proven to be a friend to this large number of people. So I guess it kind of goes both ways. The dirty despicable die hard Trump supporters (because let's be honest...it is hard to separate the man from his people) will hold their nose and accept that "they" are part of this grand coalition. Surprisingly, I have a feeling that one side may be more accepting of the other.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 12:34 PM (1H9ox)

314 I cannot believe I forgot the 1.7 billion to Iran as he looted the treasury in my tirade above. I guess my sinus bloodclot thingie in my head made me, momentarily, unable to recall. I take the Fifth. I am Hillary the Haggard Harridan. I want to go complete toga John Belushi in Animal House when I think of NeverTrumpturds. I understood it for months. I did. But, come on. I also understood weenies like Bill Kristol and Co crying into their Georgetown cocktails as they realize their readership sees through their delicate thin skin. They have always been snobs, the pundit class. What? You do not have an Ivy League degree or two? You are not pedigreed back to the Mayflower? How quaint. O ye deplorables who knuckle drag! I was irritated enough in 2012 when people sat home because! Mormon! Gasp! But he (Romney) did it to himself by giving up in second debate when he should have had courage. Then evaporating for most of October. I sort of gave those people, and, no doubt, some Christian friends, a pass on not voting for a !Mormon! But no more passes. Nope. None. No patience. Not one drop of patience any more when you take a good look at the last eight years and what your non-vote brought this country. But normal Moron people? Surely you are on the Trump Train at this point in time? Or, you were never a Moron to start with, which is quite sad if you think about it... No dog in this fight if you don't man up by November 8th.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Deplorable Infidel Queen at September 29, 2016 12:35 PM (Cx8BK)

315 We're just trying to get to meet your Well-Armed Private Army. Posted by: Stringer Davis Thanks - it's always tough to be the new kid in class. My sons will definitely like the Private Army remark.

Posted by: T-Squared at September 29, 2016 12:37 PM (VkAIj)

316 If Obama treated the middle-class like moderate Muslims (tm) that would be a step up.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 29, 2016 12:37 PM (VdICR)

317 Eh, Lauren's friends are just engaged in protective camouflage status signalling. It's not terribly Christlike, but then, you don't get much access to UMC pretensions and more importantly income by being proudly and assertively Christian these days. Laughing out loud at someone claiming to live in Texas talking about how Trump's too brash and unconservative, though.

Posted by: TPC at September 29, 2016 12:37 PM (a6FcN)

318 I mean, how many votes are we talking about anyway from these "upper middle class very nice Christian ladies" who found McCain and Romney to be TRU CONSERVATIVES YALL but find Trump to be the bridge too far that shames and humiliates them in front of their liberal professor cousin?

Posted by: TPC at September 29, 2016 12:41 PM (a6FcN)

319 Ok, how's this for brash. Fuck off, TPC.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:41 PM (KHyOM)

320 You know how bad and debouched we are and we can't bs you. LOL. Posted by: rickb223 A compliment I think... Posted by: T-Squared Yes ma'am.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at September 29, 2016 12:42 PM (ApT0U)

321 Today I learned that upper middle class christian ladies are against punching babies in the dick. But they will secretly vote for someone who does.

Posted by: ajmojo at September 29, 2016 12:44 PM (1H9ox)

322 " I mean, how many votes are we talking about anyway from these "upper middle class very nice Christian ladies" who found McCain and Romney to be TRU CONSERVATIVES YALL but find Trump to be the bridge too far that shames and humiliates them in front of their liberal professor cousin? " Romney won Married White Women 56% to 42%. 66% of these same women view Trump unfavorably. But please, continue belittling them. That will surely help.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:44 PM (KHyOM)

323 You don't get much access to UMC pretensions The UMC is a worldwide denomination. it is made of people who are both very liberal and quite conservative. Among the fastest growing parts of the UMC in America are Korean churches and other ethnic churches. They tend to be conservative.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:44 PM (EnGQE)

324 @323 Um, Fenelon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxuCvhObKGA

Love ya, Rev.

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:47 PM (H5rtT)

325 Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 05:44 PM (KHyOM) I think YOU can find ways to talk to them, Lauren. You understand them. You understand that they are good people who have served their churches and the Lord for years. If you explain why you feel you might pull the lever for Trump because Hillary is SO awful maybe they will understand. Some people just don't know about Hillary because the media has covered up so much. We need to be the mouthpiece with love and concern

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:47 PM (EnGQE)

326 LOL, Stringer. Sorry. Lauren was talking about her church friends so when i read UMC the first thing that came to mind is not Upper Middle Class but United Methodist Church

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:49 PM (EnGQE)

327 And i have to do the same thing. I can't tell my congregations who to vote for, but I need to convince some of my colleagues who are upper middle class women (and men0 clergy who think Trump is awful but if they knew as much about Hillary as they should they might pull the lever for him. Some i think I'm going to have to travel miles to talk with them personally because a e-mail won't have the same effect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:52 PM (EnGQE)

328 Trump leads with married women, particularly SAHMs. I'm a SAHM in the upper middle income bracket and the nice church ladies I know don't have a problem with Trump support. They don't view Trump as somehow worse than McCain and his many marriages. Since Trump leads with marrieds, our votes will count just fine. This does relate to ace's class tension stuff though. My husband and I have certainly run into the kind of "conservative" who thinks Trump is de trop, but who also has 1/3 our household income but considers themselves UMC and superior due to having a pair of posh BAs. But hey, continue believing no conservative women can have a high household income and openly support Trump in a swing state. And man, poor Texas to have to have such smugs living in that fine land.

Posted by: TPC at September 29, 2016 12:53 PM (a6FcN)

329 LOL, Stringer. Sorry. Lauren was talking about her church friends so when i read UMC the first thing that came to mind is not Upper Middle Class but United Methodist Church Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 05:49 PM (EnGQE) Oh dear. I see where the confusion might stem from. Like UPC. Means a couple of things. ( Smiley face, implied, cause can't).

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:53 PM (d6TTt)

330 @326 YES AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT FUNNY
--Ben Roethlisberger, who comes from just down the road from me and pretty much defines the kind of jokes we're making lately, plus his lack of an O-line makes the NFL boycott a lot easier to take

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:53 PM (H5rtT)

331 Fen, is not politicking from the pulpit because of the tax- exempt thing?

Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 12:55 PM (d6TTt)

332 Oh and Fen? Stop apologizing already. You made the funny joke. Don't be sorry.

Posted by: Stringer Davis [/i] at September 29, 2016 12:56 PM (H5rtT)

333 "We need to be the mouthpiece with love and concern" That's a good point, FS.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 12:57 PM (KHyOM)

334 And Lauren, Grammie was not on the Trump train and she said some time ago that she viewed a articleo by the wonderful Christian writer Eric Metaxas as to why Christians needed to support Trump and that helped change her mind, so you might look for that if you have an interest.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 12:57 PM (EnGQE)

335 Some people just don't know about Hillary because the media has covered up so much.
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i was wearing my Deployable/Deplorable t-shirt yesterday here in my *very* liberal part of The Valley, and a Hillbot took exception to it, and started grilling me as to why i would support him over the witch.

she didn't think her security breeches were that important, and Trump had said terrible things, citing "FactCheck"... (i pointed out that they had been caught lying numerous times, which displeased her)

i pointed out all Bill's rape victims and how she had helped victimize them after the fact, and that she has also defended a child molester who raped a 12 year old to the point where she could never have children, and got him off with basically "time served" prior to trial.

"i never heard of such a thing..."


Posted by: redc1c4 at September 29, 2016 12:58 PM (aEZpQ)

336 212 Why do you assume that Trump can't be repulsive and still better than Hillary? Hillary's manifest unfitness for the office is not proof that Trump is fit. I don't.... I just don't get it I guess..... Trump was certainly not my first choice..... not even close.... but now he's my only choice... Posted by: deplorable donna True but I'm not willing to stipulate to repulsive. Why repulsive? Alpha males don't go around talking and acting like Mr. Rogers. Because of some coarse things he said 20 years ago? Cheated on his wives? None of my business. We'd have heard already if he harassed or raped anybody or enabled a rapist. Repulsive? Compared to who? Bill Clinton? Obama? Rubio? Is there anyone more repulsive than Jeb? A lot of people find Trump far less repulsive than practically any politician. And there's a difference between being an alpha male and a rapist. People who vandalize and steal signs and otherwise attack others freedoms? Mobs who assault people because they are wearing a hat or T-shirt they don't like? These are repulsive and they are all in for Hillary. Anyone who finds Hillary less repulsive I have serious questions about them. Anyone who calls someone a racist-- just because they think it will hurt-- is the most repulsive organism I can think of. So, Go Trump!

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 12:58 PM (iWW0H)

337 I'll definitely check that out too.

Posted by: Lauren at September 29, 2016 01:00 PM (KHyOM)

338 Posted by: tubal at September 29, 2016 05:55 PM (d6TTt) It's not that i never mention politics. You can't avoid the subjects. It's just that I have never told people who to vote for from the pulpit. although I have gotten into conversations with them at coffee hour if they bring up their opinions. I think it would be hard for people not to know that I'm conservative from my preaching. It's just that i can't say, "Go out and cast you vote for Donald trump on Tuesday.' And yes, the tax thing would be a problem

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 01:00 PM (EnGQE)

339 That was funny. I just was a little shocked to see prigs being priggish in the fair land of Texas.

Posted by: TPC at September 29, 2016 01:00 PM (a6FcN)

340 Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 29, 2016 05:56 PM (H5rtT) I'm glad it was funny. I'd feel better if it was intentional humor, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 01:03 PM (EnGQE)

341 201 Because he's repulsive and antithetical to the values I, and basically everyone I associate with, hold. Even if he weren't vulgar, he's still not a conservative. I listened to the debate with an open mind, and was disappointed again and again with his complete lack of understanding of basic conservatism. --- Some questions that are meant respectfully: So Trump is "repulsive." What exactly has he done that is so repulsive and vulgar? And... so what? Are you inviting him to your daughters wedding? Are you afraid he'll get drunk and fall into the cake? Or hit on your Mother? He's a successful businessman. He has done things many people have not. Is it beucase he is seen as a class traitor becuase he is trying to appeal to "the lower classes." What specific values is he against? Yes, he is divorced. Many politicians are divorced. He has a family that he is obviously close to. He is reaching out to different races, which policians don't always do, especially Republicans. Is it his stance on abortion? Or some other specific issue? If it's just being conservative.. once again, so what? Is he more conservative than Hillary? Is he more likely to have solid ideas to make America a better place, or will all of us do better with a million or so Muslims with b0mbs roaming the country? Finally, look at WWII. We were on the same side as effing Stalin. What would have happened if we said "Gee Joseph, we could really use your help in this war, but you're just not democratic for us; you're just not the type of people we want on our side. Best of luck and all?" Is the final asnwer "Sorry Donald, you're not conservative eough, so I'll throw my lot behind the vindictive communist crimiminal with potential brain damage who will undoubtely bring bankruptcy, war and strife to the nation." Posted by: shibumi, If I hire an exterminator, I want someone to kill rats. Don't need a new best friend, but if he kills the fukking rats, he can come by for a beer anytime.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 01:05 PM (iWW0H)

342 The obvious problem, of course, with Ace's logic, is that there's absolutely no end in sight the hoops one must jump through for Trump, no matter what he does. If your starting proposition is that the other side is irredeemably worse, and always will be, why, there's nothing that YOUR side can do that is worse than the other side. Even associating with, and promoting, racists and racist groups / organizations. So all of this must be ignored, of course, because EVERYTHING the other side does is worse, right? Our side is always right. Except, of course, when they're trying to not kick out all of those brown folks, or worse, allow more of those brown folk in. That's unforgivable.

Posted by: Vyce at September 29, 2016 01:10 PM (BWrGs)

343 Elsewhere Newsweek publishes actual documents proving Trump breached the embargo on communist Cuba to pursue his business interests and tried to hide the money he paid through a charity. But of course Ace won't mention that. This is the GOP now. A presidential candidate that happily breaks American law to pursue his business interests.

Posted by: Trump can die in a fire at September 29, 2016 01:10 PM (z8kl9)

344 Posted by: Trump can die in a fire at September 29, 2016 06:10 PM (z8kl9) Why DO you come there? Nobody who has said they are voting for Trump is suddenly going to vote for Hillary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 01:13 PM (EnGQE)

345 322 " I mean, how many votes are we talking about anyway from these "upper middle class very nice Christian ladies" who found McCain and Romney to be TRU CONSERVATIVES YALL but find Trump to be the bridge too far that shames and humiliates them in front of their liberal professor cousin? " Romney won Married White Women 56% to 42%. 66% of these same women view Trump unfavorably. But please, continue belittling them. That will surely help. Posted by: Lauren at The fact is that the one's that are supporting Hillary are chubby and have been enabling their husbands' philandering for many years. Even after they figured out that philandering had nothing to do with charity. Don't tell them I said that. Go Johnson 2016!

Posted by: Big Johnson Supporter, Or supporter of a Big Johnson. at September 29, 2016 01:13 PM (iWW0H)

346 Did I miss something or did the Christian who explained that vulgarity was antithetical to the values she, and basically everyone she associates with, holds, turn around and tell another poster "fuck off" less than an hour later?

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 29, 2016 01:16 PM (x4zgf)

347 346 Did I miss something or did the Christian who explained that vulgarity was antithetical to the values she, and basically everyone she associates with, holds, turn around and tell another poster "fuck off" less than an hour later? Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later She may understand her own values, but the unfortunate fact is that she really doesn't "know" what values 'everyone she associates with, holds). This is where the best country music songs come form.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 29, 2016 01:20 PM (iWW0H)

348 Re:Newsweek / Cuba I like how that was posted in a thread literally titled "Oh, By the Way, Obama Looted the US Treasury to Make Illegal Payments to Insurers to Keep Obamacare Afloat."

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 29, 2016 01:29 PM (E6kDP)

349 "Nothing to fear" is lol as a sarcastic meme because wasn't it a McCain response to one of his supporters calling Obama an Arab

Posted by: Talk at September 29, 2016 01:33 PM (DbD6M)

350 Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 29, 2016 06:29 PM (E6kDP) Still not working. Do you think anyone here is surprised that Trump may have done shady deals.? Clinton Crime syndicate watered down AIDS drugs. They did Nothing for people in Haiti. when they collected all that money for it There are a number of us who think CCS bumped off people who go in their way. Hillary defended a man who raped a child and laughed about it/ I would vote for road kill before I wouldn't vote for a person running against Hillary and I*'m tired of talking to you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke, redeemed and redeemable at September 29, 2016 01:35 PM (EnGQE)

351 Wait, what?

Posted by: 16 paranoia filled days later at September 29, 2016 01:38 PM (E6kDP)

352 Oh come on...they can't 'invent' money ...it has to be appropriated. So where is the appropriation. Boehner? Ryan? anyone?

Posted by: torabora at September 29, 2016 01:53 PM (O2Ekv)

353 The most pathetic part about nevertrumpers is they blindly believe liberal Democrat talking points. This just proves they have no idea what kind of people we're up against. For liberals, if you disagree with them you are the enemy. It's high time to adopt the same policy from our side. If you are not a conservative you are a terrorist supporting freedom hater.

Posted by: James at September 29, 2016 05:26 PM (jxw6R)

354 I can barely read this article for all of the "delivering a win for the GOP" or "GOP cheers" etc etc. I love the constant misdirection as if this article is almost about the GOP and not Obama and the democrats. FFS.

Posted by: adc at September 30, 2016 05:36 AM (wz420)

355 "Do people here really believe that a large portion of # never trumpers disdain for him is because he is so declasse' ? aaAre they really that shallow and petty?" Short answer, yes they believe that. It makes the Trumphumping seem less icky

Posted by: LTCHAM at September 30, 2016 05:36 AM (7h4Fr)

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