August 31, 2013

Obama's Rose Garden Speech: "Everything I Said in 2007 Was a Lie"
— Ace

Okay he didn't exactly say that but that's the general message.

It's on now, if you can bear it.

Update: Obama will now seek congressional authorization, most likely because he eagerly wants a debate on these serious issues, in much the same way that he eagerly wanted a debate on NSA surveillance practices and just forgot to say so until he was forced into a debate by Edward Snowden. (A debate which he has yet to honestly engage, by the way.)

Posted by: Ace at 08:41 AM | Comments (430)
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1 But I wasn't leading the 'free' world then

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (Pr6hk)

2 So he's going to onto to Congrss and blame them for not wanting to bomb. Easy.

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (doBIb)

3 "He's taking it to Congress."  --Sidebar Gandalf

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (Iyg03)

4 Kristof Komando

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (yE6xT)

5 LYNCH THEM!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (MhA4j)

6 1:15 Obama scheduled to speak 1:50 Halftime of Florida-Toledo game 1:50:45 Obama reaches podium

Posted by: bgates at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (RaxZX)

7 Obama:   "In short, 'I.'" 

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 31, 2013 08:57 AM (Iyg03)

8 Obama's Rose Garden Speech: "Everything I Said in SINCE 2007 Was a Lie" FFA.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (GjYxB)

9 In private, everyone agrees with him.

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (puUWX)

10 Obama as Teddy Roosevelt: Speak inanely and carry a big bertha(tm)

Posted by: strategicCorporalUSMC at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (6J+oK)

11 If Obama was a football team, this would be called a punt.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (39IHH)

12 This guy clucks his tongue when he's dressing down the proles

Posted by: Beto at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (MhA4j)

13 Democrats in Congress who might contemplate a 2016 presidential run thrown under the bus.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (Lqb+9)

14 He found his "Get Out of a Fuck-Up" card.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (AO9UG)

15 bgates, blackout and $145 PPV here. What is the score?

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 08:58 AM (JNUY4)

16 His foreign policy still isn't as much of a fraud as his economic policy

Posted by: Charles Ponzi at August 31, 2013 08:59 AM (Pr6hk)

17 his suit looks kind of lumpy, you think they've got some kevlar under there?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 08:59 AM (8lmkt)

18 Senator Obama pointing to president Obama: "Everything that guy just said is bullshit."

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 08:59 AM (doBIb)

19 I've made a decision to let someone else make the decision.

Posted by: mesablue at August 31, 2013 08:59 AM (UjhBf)

20 Obama.. "I'll bomb them myself if I have to."

Posted by: Beto at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (MhA4j)

21 Watching Obama makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (39IHH)

22 Did you see it? In the background, two guys in Union Jack coveralls carrying the bust of Churchill back into the Oval Office.

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (JNUY4)

23 Boner just had another drink and is digging around for his pack of cigs.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (AO9UG)

24 I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a foreign policy today

Posted by: Wimpy Soetoro at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (Pr6hk)

25 The hypocrisy of this PoS is incredible. Any chance Congress votes this down?

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (2UX/e)

26 Well played. Republicans have to support him or be pro dictator.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:00 AM (NAU+F)

27 Feets don't fail me nowwwww!!!!!

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2013 09:01 AM (6TV0b)

28 President Red Line pussies out

Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 09:01 AM (omBWL)

29 Any chance Congress votes this down? ------ I certainly hope so.

Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2013 09:01 AM (Aif/5)

30 Congress can punt it back with 6 months of hearings. After all, what's the hurry?

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (AO9UG)

31 26 Or go along and be pro- Al Qaeda?

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (2UX/e)

32 my favorite part was the question and answer period . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (8lmkt)

33 And what the hell happened to Biden? He looks like he's aged 20 years.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (NAU+F)

34 President Step to the Plate pussies  out

Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (omBWL)

35 his speech wasn't "muscular enough to avoid being mocked"!

Posted by: strategicCorporalUSMC at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (6J+oK)

36 Switch over to ESPN2 to see the live action tennis Barack watches while giving a speech

Posted by: USTA at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (Pr6hk)

37 What? My September 5 prediction is toast! Oh, well, no squirrels for the UE numbers then.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (xSegX)

38 I hope it gets voted down too.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (2UX/e)

39 Can I be serious for a moment? Have you guys seen the videos and images? It is mind-blowing and horrifying to see children having seizures and foaming at the mouth. How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 09:02 AM (MCwM8)

40 @31 yep. But it's on Congress now. He will just lead from behind.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:03 AM (NAU+F)

41 So long as you are a Democrat who likes abortion and gay marriage, you can do whatever you want.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 31, 2013 09:03 AM (gznAu)

42 Republicans have to support him or be pro dictator. Actually, if they support him, they're pro dictator.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 31, 2013 09:03 AM (xSegX)

43 Leading from behind, er a different time zone.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 31, 2013 09:03 AM (39IHH)

44 Operation Feckless Crap Weasel

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:03 AM (6OtrR)

45 President Cover My Ass hides behind Congress

Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 09:04 AM (omBWL)

46 This SOB made me cut short my Labor Day Weekend trip to Fire Island for this???

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at August 31, 2013 09:04 AM (Pr6hk)

47 I was surprised he actually used the word mocked.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:04 AM (NAU+F)

48 Obama has the smarts of a four year old and the demeanor of a thirteen year old girl. He manages to combine the worse attributes of a spoiled child with the bitchiness of a girl.

Posted by: pat at August 31, 2013 09:05 AM (7mNxs)

49 That's good, my Boy.  The system is sure to fail under your leadership.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at August 31, 2013 09:05 AM (Pr6hk)

50 'Eh, ignore it" was the Demo-lib war cry for many years, dude

Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 09:05 AM (omBWL)

51 So, could he do it alone or does he need Congress' approval? I couldn't make heads or tails of his b*******

Posted by: KGB at August 31, 2013 09:05 AM (M+8XB)

52 I guess Obama will have to use all those losers he, Biden and Kerry spoke of populating the military

Posted by: Beto at August 31, 2013 09:06 AM (MhA4j)

53 Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM Why are their deaths more horrific than the thousands of other children killed in Syria during this mess?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 31, 2013 09:06 AM (fzFF6)

54 Mr. Preznit.  Can you tell the security detail to stop calling me 'Scapegoat One'???

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (Pr6hk)

55 Can I be serious for a moment? Have you guys seen the videos and images? It is mind-blowing and horrifying to see children having seizures and foaming at the mouth. How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me. Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM We'll need 10 more aircraft carrier battle groups just to get started ending injustice in the world. Of course, it takes time to build all that stuff and fill the ships with folks, so expect to wait a few years, say ten or so. But, I like your plan!

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (AO9UG)

56 @42 not to the hopenchangers. They think he's awesome. He laid down the markers. He is anti dictators killing children. The other side is unclear. As of right now, the other side is dead kids. Well played.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (NAU+F)

57 Ok. So lemme get this straight. We're going to war because the Israelis have never pulled the wool over our eyes in the history of the world!! They wouldn't lie to us! Honest!!11! They always have our bestest interests at heart. Always!  We're going to war because our intel agencies would never, ever 'mis-interpret' their data or mis-lead us about any of that sort of thing! They're as true and faithful as the day is long! We can trust them with everything we do and say! ...and, of course, we can trust them with all of our credit card info and financial information! Really! Would they lie to you? About anything? No! Of course not...
 We're going to war based on Al Qaeda Sunnis' homemade and faked videos, photo shopped pics and planted evidence; and on their honest and trustworthy testimony that Assad is a big meanie. Well, maybe Al Qaeda lied to us, before - once or maybe twice - but they are really, truly telling us the truth, this time. All of the evidence is real! Promise!

We're going to war because Kerry has repented of all of his past sins and has become such an honest and upright man that we can believe him, now. He's sincerely remorseful about all his previous lies and all of that sinful stuff he used to do. He'll never do it again. Scout's honor! Swear on a bible, he'll never lie to us, ever, ever again. So, you know that he's not lying to us about Syria or Assad. You can trust him on this. Honest!

We're going to war because the MSM is telling us that it's the right thing to do. For the children. btw, the MSM is really, really, really sorry about all of those times it misled us, lied to us and manipulated us. We can believe them, this time, because they are really, really, telling us the truth, this time! Cross their heart and hope to die, stick a needle in their eye. You can believe them, this time! We're going to war because... Obama!!11!!

 Anyone who believes what we're being told by any of them is a damned fool.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (klGLB)

58 @50 I'm a chick, not a dude. And, just because that's how THEY behaved doesn't make it right. All I asked was whether you have actually SEEN the images....and how it can't break your heart into a thousand pieces to see. I nearly threw up when I saw them.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (MCwM8)

59 Why are their deaths more horrific than the thousands of other children killed in Syria during this mess?

Or the late term and partial birth abortions this administration is hellbent on using our tax dollars to provide?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (8lmkt)

60 How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me. Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM That's what the left demanded we do when Bush was President and tyrants ruled Afghanistan and Iraq.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 31, 2013 09:07 AM (Vk2pI)

61 War is never always the answer

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schultz at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (Pr6hk)

62 Can I be serious for a moment? Have you guys seen the videos and images? It is mind-blowing and horrifying to see children having seizures and foaming at the mouth. How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me. Meh. Cattle prod, diet coke & mentos. It's not like the ME is the paragon of truthfulness. IOW, vould be just as easily staged.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (GjYxB)

63 Reagan was president when I was 15-19. All the others suck.

Posted by: Moron in a Members Only Snuggie at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (Ks4nX)

64 And Democrats never get called on hypocrisy. Never.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (NAU+F)

65 How many times did that fucker cluck his tongue at us PS Barry the scholar.. We are not a Constitutional Democracy, we are a Representative Republic

Posted by: Beto at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (MhA4j)

66 "Can I be serious for a moment? Have you guys seen the videos and images? It is mind-blowing and horrifying to see children having seizures and foaming at the mouth. How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me." We got sucked into Somalia on the basis of heartrending pictures of starving kids.

Posted by: Reason at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (Hu/Da)

67 These were the members of Congress who were plaintiffs in Doe v. Bush who thought that the Iraq AUMF was--illegal The original congressional plaintiffs are: Rep. John Conyers (MI-14); Rep. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10); Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2); Rep Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-1 ; Rep. Jim McDermott (WA-7); and Rep. Jose E. Serrano (NY-16). The additional Members of Congress who joined the lawsuit are: Rep. Danny K. Davis (IL-7); Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey (NY-26); Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-15); Rep. Pete Stark (CA-13); Rep. Diane Watson (CA-32); and Rep. Lynn C. Woolsey (CA-6) So we'll see these people squirm --or not.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (r2PLg)

68 Note the condescension--King Putt claims he retains the power to engage in bombing on his own without regard for Congress while pretending to respect us by referring to the same Congress, which he should have done in the first place. Bush did that and received no credit for it and all the blame for the war.  I take it that the President considers any congressional vote to be non-binding. The bus just rolled over Congress.

Posted by: Brett at August 31, 2013 09:08 AM (0JcDN)

69 This is a fantastic opportunity for Boehner to call a special session of congress, and whip the hell out of the Republicans for a "No" vote on military action in Syria.

It would be a resounding defeat of Obama, would immediately place him in an untenable position of doing what he wants...illegally, or accepting the will of the people.

It would re-energize the conservative base, and put the Democrat party on the defensive.

And it will never happen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:09 AM (gqgiP)

70 The only principles of the left are to provide any lie they need to advance their true agenda. This is not news. We've known this for a long time now. It is in their nature.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 31, 2013 09:09 AM (Vk2pI)

71 What's the end game if we intervene? This is a disaster in the making. And it is not worth one American life to intervene in Syria. Not one.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:09 AM (2UX/e)

72 We got sucked into Somalia on the basis of heartrending pictures of starving kids.
Posted by: Reason at August 31, 2013 02:08 PM (Hu/Da)

The Sally Struthers strategy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2013 09:09 AM (yE6xT)

73 Don't worry about the Congress Barry, we've violated the Constitution so many times at this point, it has Stockholm Syndrome

Posted by: Eric The Chinless at August 31, 2013 09:09 AM (Pr6hk)

74 From the AP article at Drudge:

"Obama says he has the authority to act on his own, but believes it is important for the country to have a debate."

I like how he "has the authority" to act on his own (really?).  And now....and NOW, he thinks it's important for the country to have a debate.  Since when has this tyrant thought that was important? 

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (XB5Ak)

75 Does Obama have any principles? What's the difference between Libya and Syria?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (ZPrif)

76 All I asked was whether you have actually SEEN the images....and how it can't break your heart into a thousand pieces to see. Come at them from the angle of being staged first.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (GjYxB)

77 your heart into a thousand pieces to see. I nearly threw up when I saw them.

Posted by: ickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:07 PM (MCwM



you write like a 12-year old girl

Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (omBWL)

78 >>>How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me.
Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM


How youuu doin?

Posted by: The Sudan at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (nm+kb)

79 Reagan was president when I was 15-19. All the others suck. Posted by: Moron in a Members Only Snuggie at August 31, 2013 02:08 PM (Ks4nX) That's what interns are for…

Posted by: Billy Clinton at August 31, 2013 09:10 AM (Vk2pI)

80 What's the end game if we intervene? This is a disaster in the making. And it is not worth one American life to intervene in Syria. Not one.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 02:09 PM (2UX/e)


THAT!

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:11 AM (8lmkt)

81 So ... Obama has no principles. He talked shit. Now he's looking to back down. Fucking pussy wrote a check his ass couldn't cash.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:11 AM (ZPrif)

82 OK, enough of this.  I have a tee time at 3:00pm.  Hopefully we'll get nine in before dark... and then its Reggie-after-dark

Posted by: Barry The Bone Slayer at August 31, 2013 09:11 AM (Pr6hk)

83 Remember when the Democrats clamored for WAR! when Iran began butchering university students, small-d democrats, gays, protestors, etc., while making bomb-grade uranium?

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:11 AM (HjPtV)

84 71 What's the end game if we intervene? This is a disaster in the making. And it is not worth one American life to intervene in Syria. Not one. Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 02:09 PM (2UX/e) There's no end game. He wants to lob some cruise missiles, maybe a dozen, so he can say he did something and call it a day. Then the ships will turn around and come home. And if more kids get gassed, he'll shrug his shoulders and say "I tried!"

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:11 AM (doBIb)

85 That's what the left demanded we do when Bush was President and tyrants ruled Afghanistan and Iraq. Posted by: The Political Hat at August 31, 2013 02:07 PM (Vk2pI) **************** Except in the case of Iraq I think they found evidence of- 300,000 in mass graves. Estimates were something like 10,000 were children. Mass graves in Iraq have become well known since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the regime of Saddam Hussein. International Experts estimated 300,000 victims could in these mass graves alone. The mass graves mostly included the remains of Shia Muslims and ethnic Kurds killed for opposing the regime between 1983 and 1991, she said. [1] Some of the information below is taken from Fact Sheet - Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor and Bureau of Public Affairs[dead link] ********** of course--dead link.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (r2PLg)

86 So he wants to act but will wait for Congress to debate this highly important matter. However, it isn't important enough to call them back early? So we're going spank Assad for doing something wrong but who knows when the punishment will come. Consequences always follow errors quickly, any parent knows that. Like Krauthammer is saying, he should have called congress in immediately (like last week) to debate this, like the Brits did. Now he really looks like he is looking for a way out and hoping he can blame Congress if we don't act.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (fzFF6)

87 your heart into a thousand pieces to see. I nearly threw up when I saw them. Posted by: ickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:07 PM (MCwM you write like a 12-year old girl Posted by: Keyser Soze at August 31, 2013 02:10 PM (omBWL) Why hello there… *Slips Tickled Pink a mickey*

Posted by: Roman Polanski at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (Vk2pI)

88 Come at them from the angle of being staged first.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 02:10 PM (GjYxB)

My first thought.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (gqgiP)

89 And it will never happen.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 02:09 PM]/i]

It's more likely Boner will jam through authorization for whatever Choom Boy wants. Because fairness. And cocktail party invitations. And golf.

My fantasy is that Congress would say: "We can't impeach Syria, but we sure as hell can impeach President Historic First's© ass, and he is a bigger danger than Syria, anyway."

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (kaGpp)

90 Of course, the world would be a much better place if the USA did have 10 more aircraft carrier battle groups.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (AO9UG)

91 Look, Obama isn't taking us to war. We will shoot some missilies and say we did something. If it doesn't do anything, Congress authorized it. If they fail to authorize it then anything the Assad regime does that is terrible and looks bad on TV is Republicans fault.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (NAU+F)

92 The videos weren't staged. Doesn't mean we should bomb Syria. But they weren't staged.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (ZPrif)

93 Oh, FFS.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (kaGpp)

94 39 Can I be serious for a moment? Have you guys seen the videos and images?

It is mind-blowing and horrifying to see children having seizures and foaming at the mouth.

How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM

 

And what about the thousand blown to pieces and shot before this?  I guess they didn't mean shit to you did they.  Yes it is horrifying to see children killed in this manner.  Its also horrible what happened in Rwanda, what happens every day in North Korea, in Sudan.  There are a thousand horrible acts being carried out around the world right now.  Why aren't you whining about them?  Is it because your boyfriend Barry didn't go off script and mention a "red line" because he was  certain a nutcase dictator would never violate that line.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (LI48c)

95 Now that's what I call 'molesting the truth'

Posted by: Former Congressman and Mayor Bob Filner at August 31, 2013 09:12 AM (Pr6hk)

96 I told you they were working overtime for a way out of this

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 31, 2013 09:13 AM (8sCoq)

97 So Congress going to debate whether to make a shot across the bow in response to 'the worst chemical weapons attack in the 21st century"?

Posted by: gracepmc at August 31, 2013 09:13 AM (rznx3)

98 Also, the ramping up of funding, training, and arming the rebels in Syria is happening regardless of how Congress votes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:13 AM (ZPrif)

99 I would have to go upstairs to watch it and he isn't worth that much effort.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2013 09:13 AM (zZbNF)

100 Shorter Warren Bonesteel : JOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at August 31, 2013 09:13 AM (YrqgX)

101 Senate votes yes easily. House is the question.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:14 AM (ZPrif)

102 Was this another gusty call by Prezzy Gutsy Call?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 31, 2013 09:14 AM (TGA2G)

103 Why I aughta!  Lemme at'em!  Don't hold me back, now!

Posted by: The Fighty Fightenest Banty Rooster in Washington Evah! at August 31, 2013 09:14 AM (KIHQS)

104 Obama just wants Repubs to own the political fallout. Pussy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:14 AM (ZPrif)

105 Of course Assad is laughing.  Libyan terrorist killed our ambassador and three other US citizens and Barry sent the FBI to investigate the "crime scene" weeks later.

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:14 AM (HjPtV)

106 House will vote for it. They really can't do otherwise.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (NAU+F)

107

does this mean no ice cream social for all the sailors on those ships?

 

navy facts

1.  cant fight a war with a dirty ship (field day!!!)

2.  can't launch a missile without ice cream

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (djLPp)

108

We have NO IDEA who used what on whom at this point.

Unfortunately, you can't believe what little we've learned about this incident.  All you can know is that Obama has expressed a willingness to help the fundamentalists (at the cost of stability) at every opportunity.

We need more intel before we commit any resources to this civil war.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (6OtrR)

109 Leave Warren alone!!!!!

Posted by: Alex Jones at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (Aif/5)

110 The buck stops here! As long as Congress agrees.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (ZPrif)

111 94 thank you, buzz, I could not agree with you more.

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (8lmkt)

112 Let him fucking blame the Republicans if the resolution fails. They can use his words from 2007 against him.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (2UX/e)

113 Tell me again why I care what happens in Syria

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (R8hU8)

114 This man never once contacted us about the use of our product. We disavow all consequences of his mock worthy actions

Posted by: Society of Red Line Markers at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (MhA4j)

115 Come at them from the angle of being staged first.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 02:10 PM (GjYxB)

My first thought.


Dick Cheney gassed those kids so Haliburton could go to war.

Posted by: tin foil hatter at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (nm+kb)

116 Liberal pud pullers.  100,000 slaughtered by bullets, nothing to see.  A couple of hundred gassed, the world is at an end.

Posted by: George S. Patton at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (Pr6hk)

117 And it is not worth one American life to intervene in Syria. Not one.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 02:09 PM (2UX/e)

I am quite the hawk, and favor robust and swift responses to threats against our nation. But absent any credible theory that this is an increased danger to America, I agree with you.

I'll go one step farther: It isn't worth pissing away cruise missiles (which are damned expensive) when we are running deficits that are mind-boggling.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:15 AM (gqgiP)

118 The list of international racists is growing fast. Putin, the Chinese, the British Parliament, most of the Arab street, and a goodly portion of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: MTF at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (qf2kI)

119 Shorter conference:
Obama: "I feel like I have the authoriteh"

Yeah? Well, I feel like I can fly! Here! Hold my beer!

Posted by: Presnint Sugarbritches at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (vlh8u)

120 So I think US military intervention in Syria should be placed on hold until the FBI completes its investigation.

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (HjPtV)

121 NOW he says he'll to go Congress for authorization.  This weasel will take any way out he can get.

C'mon, Congress.  Show some balls.  Tell this effer "NO!"

Posted by: creeper at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (d8cGG)

122 Here is what Obama is asking Congress to do--it's quite simple. After mucking up the start of this--letting John kerry call anyone in the national community who wanted to investigate the evidence more scientifically-- inhumane and amoral-- after the unprofessional inauspicious start of Samantha Powers not giving up her vacation in Ireland for an-- emergency UN Security Council-- they are asking the adults of Congress to pull Obama out of his own muck up-- and share in the culpability of whatever happens from this point forward. Oh I forgot to add how Obama set down a redline by himself without asking any world power--signifying that he would go it alone and now has been real politik-ed out of that naiveté.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (r2PLg)

123 Did I miss it? All I hear is protestors.

Posted by: pj at August 31, 2013 09:16 AM (ZWaLo)

124 Journalists, Politicians Refuse to Post Lawn Sign saying HOME IS PROUDLY GUN FREE: http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/08/journalists-politicians-refuse-to-post.html

Posted by: Steve at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (xZPp3)

125 Obama and the USA just showed up at a party. Obama walked in and immediately started to strut around the room. The USA tried to smile and hide her black eye as she drifted off to a dark corner.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (AO9UG)

126 Fucking Lone Ranger.  Nothing good will come of this.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (FORNL)

127 Barry: I really want to do this. I really do. But when the shit hits the fan...I need someone to blame

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (TGA2G)

128 Make sure to contact your congresspersons about this issue and let them know what you think. Getting involved in Syria is a terrible, borderline insane idea.

Posted by: Motorhead at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (qAMin)

129 He called our country the oldest Constitutional democracy in the world. It’s a REPUBLIC! The scholar should know this! I managed to watch him, it’s becoming a bigger joke that it was. He’s going to strike, but not very hard, just enough to make him look masculine. I believe that was how it was worded early this week. Then they are pissed at how many leaks that there have been, I’m sure the leaks have been from people in his administration that think it’s a stupid idea to use Tomahawks, they can’t damage anything. This was a way for him to save face, blame Congress if they won’t agree. The JEF must have done some polling and found out he’s tanked even with the low info voters over this drama.

Posted by: CarolT at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (z4WKX)

130 More kids have been killed in Chicago... Why don't we fly our ordnance in there?

Posted by: Society of Red Line Markers at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (MhA4j)

131 And this is different from Libya how....?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (DuRXB)

132 Did you see it? In the background, two guys in Union Jack coveralls carrying the bust of Churchill back into the Oval Office. Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 02:00 PM (JNUY4) ROTFL!!! Thread winner!

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 31, 2013 09:17 AM (q177U)

133 94 And what about the hundred thousand blown to pieces and shot before this?

fixt

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (U82Km)

134 Of course, Obama talking shit for several weeks about Syria, and then backing down so suddenly ... does make America look like a pussy. Doesn't mean we should bomb Syria. But there are negative consequences to what Obama has done. America does look like a pussy now. Not just Obama. Fucking idiot got his bluff called. America's reputation really is hurt when the President bluffs and gets called out.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (ZPrif)

135 Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 02:15 PM (6OtrR)

I disagree. Obama (pbuh) is supporting the anti-government forces, regardless of their politics, because they are "REBELS!" He loves rebellion, and has no interest in the end result, only in its anti-establishment message.

Obama is a 50-year-old temper tantrum.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (gqgiP)

136 And I really don't give a shit is they use gas on each other.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (zZbNF)

137 Miss me yet?

Posted by: James from Plains, Georgia at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (Pr6hk)

138 39 How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me. It's easy when you're trying first to figure out who the real culprit is. Do you really want to arm the guys that did this---the MB?

Posted by: ahem at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (lKGzI)

139 The speech will make him whole again.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2013 09:18 AM (IXrOn)

140 hey its not like the Syrians raped, murdered a ambassador and dragged his corpse through the street....you know, a real act of war

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (djLPp)

141 I came, I saw, I made them stop mocking me

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (FORNL)

142 Obama is bringin' it, bitchez.

Posted by: Dr. Hackenbush at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (ymovd)

143 117 CBD -- agreed entirely. The American interest in this Syrian civil war does not exist. We shoot missiles in, things are going to go bad in a hurry. Let them fight it out.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (2UX/e)

144 106 House will vote for it. They really can't do otherwise. Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 02:15 PM (NAU+F) ************ Can you explain.... What's interesting is in Doe v. Bush it was a lot of members of the Black Caucus that thought that the Iraq AUMF was illegal. So--ironic. If they are consistent they have to bale on Obama.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (r2PLg)

145 Obama called the Republicans bluff. They wanted a vote. Now they got one

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:19 AM (NAU+F)

146 124 Journalists, Politicians Refuse to Post Lawn Sign saying HOME IS PROUDLY GUN FREE:

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/08/journalists-politicians-refuse-to-post.html

Posted by: Steve at August 31, 2013 02:17 PM (xZPp3)

 

Ban this fucking spammer.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (LI48c)

147 @comatus 17...6 as Toledo just hit its 2nd field goal, 10:03 in the 3rd. Where is this blacked out?

Posted by: bgates at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (RaxZX)

148 Congress ought to toss it right back in his lap.  Since he has the authority and all.  He said so. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (XB5Ak)

149 After 12 years of conflict, did it ever occur to anyone that Al Qaeda is well aware of how we collect SIGINT and possibly how they could spoof it?

BTW, I'm thrilled the Preezy has "decided" that he will follow the law of the land, even though he doesn't think he needs to. Big of him.

Posted by: Soylent Red at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (N6LvJ)

150 How people could just turn their head and say, "Eh, ignore it" is beyond me.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:02 PM (MCwM

************************************************************


And our sending more blood and treasure to the Muslim sandbox will fix it how?

Sarah Palin said it well.  "We're going to bomb Syria because Syria is bombing Syria?  And I'm the idiot?"


Posted by: creeper at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (d8cGG)

151 This seems to be Barky's plan.

Warn Assad
Give time for Assad to relocate high value equipment
Allow time for the Onion to write satirical article on subject
Play Heads I win-Tails you lose with Congress
Drop minimal ordnance on now deserted, but previously occupied coordinates
Thumps chest, high fives self
Assad resumes business as usual

It's a win-win.
Except for the dead children, who we still don't know who bombed.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (fPk8z)

152 We should bomb them just for sending over people who sell Big Gulps

Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (Pr6hk)

153

"Billy, you put down that candy bar right now.  I'm going to count to three.  One...two...th...okay now I really mean it.  If you don't put down that candy bar right this instant I'm gonna ask Congress to debate the issue and maybe put it to a vote.  I'm not kidding.  You're going to really get it when Congress gets home from the Labor Day weekend."

 

/Barack Yomomma  at the checkout stand

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (mvenn)

154 Dems won't bail on Obama. It passes in the Senate easy with Repub hawks and loyal Dems. They'll let a few Dems in super left wing states vote no.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:20 AM (ZPrif)

155 What's interesting is in Doe v. Bush it was a lot of members of the Black Caucus that thought that the Iraq AUMF was illegal.
So--ironic.
If they are consistent they have to bale on Obama.
Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 02:19 PM (r2PLg)

Oh they are consistent all right. Just not in that way.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (yE6xT)

156

119   It isn't worth pissing away cruise missiles (which are damned expensive)

 

cost in this case doesn't matter, its how many we use

I say use them all up and make more

 

yes, I have a lot of stock in Lockheed Martin

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (djLPp)

157 There is nothing going on in Syria that can't be improved by the application of a couple of cruise missiles.

Posted by: Sayings Of The Barackus, Vol. 2h, Vol at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (FORNL)

158 This is all about Obama wanting House Repubs to blame.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (ZPrif)

159 Boehner may not get the  GOP votes on this one. The case for intervention by the US is weak. Stronger for the UN. And there may be some who wish to display displeasure at Boehner for his stealth amnesty and  capitulation to Dem efforts to destroy the GOP by racial divisiveness.

Posted by: pat at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (7mNxs)

160 CBC will abstain. They won't vote against and they will pay no price for it. There will be enough Republican votes to make up for it.

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:21 AM (NAU+F)

161 Old and busted sequester: no money for White House tours!

New and hot sequester: cash aplenty for bombs!

Posted by: shibumi at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (25HWz)

162 Congress = Tonto

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (6OtrR)

163 Yeah? Well, I feel like I can fly! Here! Hold my beer!

Posted by: Presnint Sugarbritches at August 31, 2013 02:16 PM (vlh8u)


LOL!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (8lmkt)

164
Pass the buck we much.

Posted by: Bufalobob at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (1x/zO)

165 This seems to be Barky's plan. Warn Assad Give time for Assad to relocate high value equipment Allow time for the Onion to write satirical article on subject Play Heads I win-Tails you lose with Congress Drop minimal ordnance on now deserted, but previously occupied coordinates Thumps chest, high fives self Assad resumes business as usual It's a win-win. Except for the dead children, who we still don't know who bombed. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 31, 2013 02:20 PM (fPk8z) Yep, that sounds like what he has in mind.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (fzFF6)

166 @77 Okay that was just rude. @94 My boyfriend Barry? Rofl. I am no troll. I have posted hundreds of times in these threads in support of the GOP, in opposition of the current administration; trust me...I've never been an Obama fan. I supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. To me, it would be hypocritical to support those wars and then not support this one, simply because of who is in office. Chemical weapons are serious business. What happens when Syria attacks Israel with chemical warfare? Great Britain? Us? What would have happened if the US attitude to those children in the gas chambers had been "Not our problem, sorry"? What would our world look like today? Yes, it is an absolute tragedy when innocent lives, especially children's, are claimed in the act of war. But, it is one thing when they die instantly from a bomb or bullet....but to see them suffering, dying slowly...it's just not something I can NOT have sympathy about.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (MCwM8)

167

135   because they are "REBELS!" He loves rebellion, and has no interest in the end result,

 

then he should love us tea party people

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:22 AM (djLPp)

168 What does this big red button do?

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (FORNL)

169 Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2013 02:18 PM (zZbNF)

I have lots of family in Israel, so I don't want it to spill over.

But....these are the same people who danced in the streets on September 11th, 2001. They cheer every time an American is killed or American interests are damaged, so I can't get too upset that they are dying in a civil war.

Yes, that is cold-hearted.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (gqgiP)

170 Also before he announced this left turn--when he was supposedly moving forward and backing his own Free World Leader words-- he announced while sitting down- that non one is more war weary than him. That might be a historic first. Name any other leader in world history who stated-- I'm going to go to war but I am really TIRED! So if you want to stop me or win--just hang in there!!!

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (r2PLg)

171 Juan McCain and aide de camp Lindsey Graham reporting for duty.

Posted by: gracepmc at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (rznx3)

172

You know what this means...

a week of Juan McCain and Lindsay Graham Chickenhawkin'.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (6OtrR)

173 Progress of my butt. Four more hours to go: http://i43.tinypic.com/2cdjq8o.jpg

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (doBIb)

174 Our word for the day is "feckless."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (JbhKL)

175 a plan is afoot to blame it all on the GOP



@davidaxelrod: Big move by POTUS. Consistent with his principles. Congress is now the dog that caught car. Should be a fascinating week!

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 31, 2013 09:23 AM (8sCoq)

176 then he should love us tea party people

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:22 PM (djLPp)

Middle-class Americans?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 09:24 AM (gqgiP)

177 then he should love us tea party people Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:22 H wants to love us to death...

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 31, 2013 09:24 AM (MhA4j)

178 How do I look with this dead crow on my head?

Posted by: John McCain at August 31, 2013 09:24 AM (FORNL)

179 bgates, thank you!
All Ohio bandwidth is occupied by some team named after an ornamental tree.

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 09:24 AM (JNUY4)

180 Where's my e?

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 31, 2013 09:24 AM (MhA4j)

181 What about all the children we've killed with our drone strikes? Should we lob a couple of cruise missiles at ourselves as well?

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 31, 2013 09:25 AM (q177U)

182 Why did it take so long for President “Valerie, what do I do?” Obama to figure out if he punts the decision to congress, it takes him off the hook?

Posted by: mare at August 31, 2013 09:25 AM (A98Xu)

183 Oh they are consistent all right. Just not in that way. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2013 02:21 PM (yE6xT) ************ Ya I fully expect to see them jump through their assholes. I'm just pretty sure the media will remind no one.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:25 AM (r2PLg)

184 156 I say use them all up and make more

That's the bit I'm worried about in the Age of Sequester.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 09:25 AM (U82Km)

185 Obama is a bitch

Posted by: Albie Damned at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (Yhu4q)

186 156 119 It isn't worth pissing away cruise missiles (which are damned expensive) cost in this case doesn't matter, its how many we use I say use them all up and make more yes, I have a lot of stock in Lockheed Martin Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:21 PM (djLPp) Raytheon makes them, not LM.

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (doBIb)

187 88 Come at them from the angle of being staged first. Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2013 02:10 PM (GjYxB) My first thought. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 31, 2013 02:12 PM (gqgiP) Mine as well. And how, exactly, will lobbing missiles into the fray punish those who allegedly gassed the chirrens? Assuming it's Assad, he's had enough heads-up time to redecorate his bunker...in Moscow.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (Tnlh/)

188 If they are consistent they have to bale on Obama. Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 02:19 PM

Jeebus, pardon me while I try to control a burst of maniacal laughter....

When the fuck have any members of the CBC, and liberals, or Choom Boy his own incompetent, America-hating self EVER concerned themselves with consistency?

The sad thing is that President Historic First's© current posturing about getting Congress to give him the green light is 100% political in a situation where any political calculation should be met with scorn.

Of course Boner and the rest of the worthless scum will get on their knees and instantly commence sucking.

Our government has no problems about 600 arrests couldn't straighten out.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (kaGpp)

189
The White House 2009 to 2017.

The lights are on but nobodies home.

Posted by: Levin at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (cQ4Va)

190 All the Prez has done is to weasel out of his own position. Passes it on to Congress, and it becomes a win/win for him no matter what they decide.


Smart move, actually, although I hate to admit it.


And did anyone else notice how gray his hair was during that conference?

Posted by: HH at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (XXwdv)

191 Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:22 PM (MCwM America's moby squad has fallen on hard times. Quality is a long forgotten thing.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (AO9UG)

192 So, Obama is your pussy friend who always says that you and your buddies are meathead idiots who always get in drunken fights at parties. So you go to a party, and he immediately starts picking fights and talking shit, and as soon as somebody stands up to him he runs and hides behind the meatheads.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:26 AM (ZPrif)

193 "And our hero of Maverickness, Senator McCain, will now drop the Ceremonial First Bomb." 'Obama the Great' (polite clapping)

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 31, 2013 09:27 AM (MhA4j)

194 OT  so now that tebow is cut, will he go help his girlfriend build the doomsday castle?

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:27 AM (djLPp)

195 The buck stops there......waaaaay over ther

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 31, 2013 09:27 AM (Yhu4q)

196 But, it is one thing when they die instantly from a bomb or bullet....but to see them suffering, dying slowly...it's just not something I can NOT have sympathy about. Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:22 PM (MCwM I was unaware one was guaranteed instant death from a bomb or bullet. That changes everything! What about the maimed? The kids who've lost limbs? The ones who have lost family? What about the damage to homes or towns that lead to hunger or homelessness? What about the illnesses that frequent battlefields? Do they get to die instantly too?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 31, 2013 09:27 AM (fzFF6)

197 154 Dems won't bail on Obama. It passes in the Senate easy with Repub hawks and loyal Dems. They'll let a few Dems in super left wing states vote no. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 02:20 PM (ZPrif) ************** Son of a bitch. Damn Zoe Lundgren was hinting she wasn't on board. Di Fi... She could be pivotal.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:28 AM (r2PLg)

198 I trust neither Obama's honesty nor his judgment. Dead kids don't change. I can't ask anyone, like my SIL, to go into combat under the leader who betrayed and abandon our people in Benghazi

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 09:28 AM (VlXYw)

199

So he'll go to the Congress for approval.

 

What happens if they don't give it to him?  Does he respect their decision....or?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 31, 2013 09:28 AM (S11Oq)

200 186  LM still makes the rocket boosters

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:28 AM (djLPp)

201 Oops- Zoe Lofgen.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (r2PLg)

202 Obama should have involved Congress way before now. But, He needs to stick responsibility on some one else. Does his caddy pick out which golf club to use?

Posted by: Nanny Hag at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (39IHH)

203 Oh, now I saw it.

PUSSY.

So our King is now going to suddenly defer to Congress and await its decision, now that it is conveniently on break till what, September 8?

Assad's son is going to have a field day with this one.

Posted by: pj at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (ZWaLo)

204 I think Obama's dawdling was to draw the Republicans in. I think he doesn't understand the world or economics or any of tht shit, but he knows people. He got lots of criticism for not getting a Congressional vote. Now he is going to get one. Think Republicans are going to vote to let Assad off the hook because they are mad about Boehner on amnesty? Really, what color is the sky in your world?

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (NAU+F)

205 Tickled Pink, if you truly feel the way you do, we should be bombing North Korea instead of Syria. They've done far greater evil upon their own people for longer than Syria has. Yes or no?

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (doBIb)

206 Any chance the GOP will approve? The vast majority of Americans are opposed, so I can see the GOP doing something where they'll end up with all the blame and Obama walks away looking good.

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (DgWZZ)

207 it's not wrong when I do it.

Posted by: Shorter Obama at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (MMC8r)

208 nice butt, EC!!  i thought you were more of a breast man . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:29 AM (8lmkt)

209 Assad's son needs to mock Obama's own death panels. Not that I an sticking up for the Asyrians. Sarah Palin levels TFG's senseless ambition, can't call it a strategy.

Posted by: sTevo at August 31, 2013 09:30 AM (L1YgQ)

210 When liberals accuse me of being a hypocrite by supporting Bush, and not supporting Obama, I am perfectly able to explain the legal, constitutional and moral differences between the two  events.

I find it is just easier and shorter to respond, "My position has evolved" and walk away whistling a merry tune.

F*ck 'em 

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 31, 2013 09:30 AM (fPk8z)

211 I don’t care if the Syrians kill each other, neither side is any good. There’s a division of AQ there, I believe they joined the rebels and there is Assad. There might me some Free Syria Army but throwing Tomahawks on any are going to do nothing. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let them all kill each other. It’s not worth one American life to get involved in a civil war with AQ on one side. Screw McCain & Graham, they are interventionists.

Posted by: CarolT at August 31, 2013 09:30 AM (z4WKX)

212 An odd development. Weird seeing a President being such a pussy on live TV. General principle in foreign affairs is that you should do what you say you are going to do. And you shouldn't say you are going to do something you won't. Bluffing is not a wise strategy. What a disaster. Obama talked his way into a corner. There's no good way out now.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (ZPrif)

213 Well, if we're looking for people to authorize something pointless and short-sighted....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (JbhKL)

214 Think Republicans are going to vote to let Assad off the hook because they are mad about Boehner on amnesty?[?] Ahem.

Posted by: David Cameron at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (MMC8r)

215 Really, what color is the sky in your world?

Posted by: Chelsea blaster at August 31, 2013 02:29 PM (NAU+F)

 

-- Blue

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (R8hU8)

216 So Congress is like a little child, using a fake steering wheel, on a mechanical plane in front of the Piggly Wiggly, and Obama is like a nut who hijacked the bus which is careening out of control in the parking lot, but keeps yelling out the window at the kid?

Posted by: Baldy at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (tyDFN)

217

196  What about the maimed? The kids who've lost limbs? The ones who have lost family? What about the damage to homes or towns that lead to hunger or homelessness? What about the illnesses that frequent battlefields? Do they get to die instantly too?

 

Chicago?

 

for the record, I could give a fuck about Syria and not to sound heartless even the theaters shot up by maniacs

 

my hometown is a damn battleground and we need to help the violence there first

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (djLPp)

Posted by: David Cameron at August 31, 2013 09:31 AM (MMC8r)

219 192 So, Obama is your pussy friend who always says that you and your buddies are meathead idiots who always get in drunken fights at parties. So you go to a party, and he immediately starts picking fights and talking shit, and as soon as somebody stands up to him he runs and hides behind the meatheads. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 02:26 PM (ZPrif) ******************* Something like that. Except I think he's asking for the meatheads to hold him back and then take responsibility for anything that goes wrong while.... (shit--I'm lost in liberal logic--i can't try to think what they are thinking for too long.)

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:32 AM (r2PLg)

220 I supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. To me, it would be hypocritical to support those wars and then not support this one, simply because of who is in office. Chemical weapons are serious business. What happens when Syria attacks Israel with chemical warfare? Great Britain? Us?

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:22 PM (MCwM

 

Where are the Assad Government supported Al Qaeda bases and leadership that orchestrated terrorist attacks on the US?  Where are Assad's checks to the families of suicide bombers that kill Americans?  Where is Assad firing on our jets?  Where is the US policy that regime change in Syria is our view on the matter?

 

Syria has chemical weapons.  We've known they have for a long time.  Why haven't they attacked Israel with them already?  Why not us?

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 09:32 AM (LI48c)

221 The House will vote no. The GOP will not be injured in the 2014 elections by a no vote.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:32 AM (AO9UG)

222 216 So Congress is like a little child, using a fake steering wheel, on a mechanical plane in front of the Piggly Wiggly, and Obama is like a nut who hijacked the bus which is careening out of control in the parking lot, but keeps yelling out the window at the kid? Posted by: Baldy at August 31, 2013 02:31 PM (tyDFN) ******************* LMAO!

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:33 AM (r2PLg)

223 We just saw the President of America's bluff being called on live TV. It's really remarkable what just happened.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:33 AM (ZPrif)

224 1:50:45 Obama reaches podium plays possum

Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2013 09:33 AM (Myqtp)

225

OT  hey peaches, now that tebow is open again, watch Da BEARS scoop him up as their #3

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:34 AM (djLPp)

226 Lundgren got in a good one this morning, and I don't credit libs lightly. She asked, "If someone just hit Washington DC with cruise missiles for one day, would we accept that as a balanced response?"

DC jokes aside, it makes a certain point. When somebody says "This is war," your argument can't be "Not actually."

Seconding Baldilocks, those chem weapon stocks still had the dolly-wheels under them from their last move. In ten days, they could be in any nation. No one can argue that we plan to make surgical strikes just to deplete those stocks. Hell, they could tunnel them out of there in ten days.

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 09:34 AM (JNUY4)

227 Let me get this straight...SCOAMF outsources foreign policy to popularity polls? Yet again he is paralyzed into inactivity...Personally, I don't want more war but he campaigned and won the decision maker job twice. To me, this is the biggest failure here...Not like it was expected to go any other way but he has really screwed this up. Is there any country in the world that thinks SCOAMF is a great leader? He paints himself into a corner by using the "red line" description then Assad thumbs his nose at it. He is unable to build any world coalition willing to participate in action. Next, he sends Kerry out to sell the idea to an unconvinced public who provides compelling reasons for action. A day later, he outsources any decision to Congress, taking him and his "red line" off the menu until Congress has their say but still reminding everyone "its still my decision". What a complete moron...It would be hard to fail anymore at being the "leader of the free world" than this guy has. 

Posted by: Tony253 at August 31, 2013 09:34 AM (3yMFT)

228 David Axelrod needs a reset. The old schtick ain't working anymore.  BTW, what's the latest 2013 body count for 21 and younger youts in Chicago?

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:34 AM (HjPtV)

229 The GOP will not be injured in the 2014 elections by a no vote.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 02:32 PM (AO9UG)

 

-- Hell no since support for this action is in single digits

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 31, 2013 09:34 AM (R8hU8)

230 Soooo - Al Qeada killing Hezbola and Hezbola killing Al Qeada.  Sunni killing Shia and Shia keeling Sunni.  I should be concerned about helping either side?  ummmmmm ... let me think. . . . no.

Posted by: Mike at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (qqjCW)

231 208 nice butt, EC!! i thought you were more of a breast man . . . I am, but today I am all about the butt.

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (doBIb)

232 Say your in the Navy and you are trying to figure out if this is a go--or not-- it's like a Soap Opera without the sex scenes.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (r2PLg)

233

McVain and Grahamnesty will be on even more talk shows now (if that's possible) campaigning for this.  The GOP needs to tell them to pound sand.  The more Democrats it takes to approve this, the more those in their ilk who've complained of "unnecessary wars" will be made to look like phonies. 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (S11Oq)

234 Say *you're* in the Navy...

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (r2PLg)

235 Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:31 PM (djLPp) Just to clarify, I think we have no business in Syria. I'm just having an issue with Tickled Pink and others suggesting that somehow dying by gas is somehow more horrific than dying by any other violent means, so I'm focused there.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 31, 2013 09:35 AM (fzFF6)

236 "Syria has profound implications.....so I'll take it up with Congress as soon as they get back from va-cay. No problemo. No rush. And then I will blame them."


Posted by: pj at August 31, 2013 09:36 AM (ZWaLo)

237 Yeah those two wars really patched things up. Time put the ol' finishing touch on with a third war. I supported the first two wars, and I feel kind of stupid now.

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 31, 2013 09:36 AM (q177U)

238 I am, but today I am all about the butt. Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 02:35 PM (doBIb) You will assume I said the thing about your lovely wife?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 31, 2013 09:36 AM (GEICT)

239 Seconding Baldilocks, those chem weapon stocks still had the dolly-wheels under them from their last move. In ten days, they could be in any nation. No one can argue that we plan to make surgical strikes just to deplete those stocks. Hell, they could tunnel them out of there in ten days. Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 02:34 PM (JNUY4) Probably on their third relocation by now.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 31, 2013 09:36 AM (Tnlh/)

240 232  they'll know when the ice cream is served

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (djLPp)

241 Putin has had this clowns number since day one. I can't believe he folded. What a pussy.

Posted by: Bob T at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (zeT6/)

242 I think TFG will not make any threats now after he’s managed to embarrass the US & even worse, made himself look impotent in the world.

Posted by: CarolT at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (z4WKX)

243 The House votes comes down to whether Obama pressures Dems to support it. There's a sizable Repub minority that would join with the Dems to get a majority. It's mainly about the House Dems and how much pressure Obama puts on them to not have a humiliating defeat.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (ZPrif)

244 What would have happened if the US attitude to those children in the gas chambers had been "Not our problem, sorry"? What would our world look like today? *** That was our policy up until Funny Mustache declared war on us.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (VlXYw)

245 OT hey peaches, now that tebow is open again, watch Da BEARS scoop him up as their #3

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:34 PM (djLPp)


Okay, but my advice is to wait a while before buying the Tebow Bears shirt.  I keep thinking about the former Masshole I was chatting with at the bar the other day while watching the Pats-Gints game.  He was all happy, had just gotten his Tebow shirt.  I hope he saved the receipt, lol.

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (8lmkt)

246 So essentially another pivot. To Congress. Who better fucking say hell no we won't get involved. Back to you Mr. President. Show us this authority you have to strike Syria.

Posted by: CDR M at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (OJvfL)

247 238 I am, but today I am all about the butt. Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 02:35 PM (doBIb) You will assume I said the thing about your lovely wife? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 31, 2013 02:36 PM (GEICT) Hehe...thanks!

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 09:37 AM (doBIb)

248 Cameron approves of Obama. I'm sure he does. If Obama goes to Congress and gets turned down, Cameron only looks like the second weakest world leader.

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 09:38 AM (DgWZZ)

249 When Barry is brutalized on Facebook by an eleven year old, it just might push him over the edge of sanity.

Posted by: Fritz at August 31, 2013 09:38 AM (KIHQS)

250
Chemical weapons are serious business.
Posted by: Tickled Pink




Syria is not a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, so there's nothing "illegal" about them having them.




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 31, 2013 09:38 AM (kdS6q)

251 Haven't found it necessary to listen to the resident yet, see no reason to start now.

Posted by: SouthTexas at August 31, 2013 09:38 AM (uhFbA)

252 I love how the Syrian situation is urgent, yet not time-sensitive. I thought being time-sensitive was part of the definition of urgent.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 09:38 AM (ZPrif)

253 240 232 they'll know when the ice cream is served Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 02:37 PM (djLPp) ****************** Okay so that's the offical go signal? Can it be pudding pops?

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:39 AM (r2PLg)

254 What's pretty much unsaid in all of the Syria blather is the utter nullification of the UN by the current adminstration.  Samantha Power, where are you?

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:39 AM (HjPtV)

255 Assad's 11 year old  daughter just made Ogabe her bitch

Posted by: Albie Damned at August 31, 2013 09:39 AM (Yhu4q)

256

A thousand monkeys with a thousand hand grenades will eventually produce peace in our time.  

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2013 09:40 AM (mvenn)

257 Other than the fact we have no business getting involved, I can't support a military action when the stated goal of that action is that there is no goal.

Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2013 09:40 AM (Aif/5)

258 So the home schooling thread is back on top. My post on the exact same story is still up from yesterday at the link in my nic.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (GEICT)

259 Go Rice!  Kick it!

Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (Myqtp)

260 Here's my strategy for the House. Tell Obama he will get 17 votes from Republicans. If he wants approval, every Democrat in the House has to vote yes.

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (DgWZZ)

261 Let him blame the Republicans. If they actually grow a pair and vote "NO", what few people who are paying attention will tune out and go back to waiting for the NFL season to start....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (lFOE0)

262 Operation Dither

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (6OtrR)

263 We bought our son one of those plastic semi-cars with a steering wheel and horn when he was about 1.5 years old. He loved the thing. One day soon after he got it, he was vigorously steering it with one hand while pounding on the horn button, shouting "Oughta my way, asshole".
 
I looked at the wifey, who usually did the drop off and pick up duties from childcare, and said "he's a quick learner".
 
If only TFG was half as quick.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 31, 2013 09:41 AM (cHZB7)

264 t's mainly about the House Dems and how much pressure Obama puts on them to not have a humiliating defeat.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 31, 2013 02:37 PM (ZPrif)

Good post.  Even Pelosi can read the tea leaves on the reprecussions from that vote.

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:42 AM (HjPtV)

265 Announcers just said it is a "Golden Opportunity" for Rice.  So racist.

Posted by: NC Ref at August 31, 2013 09:42 AM (Myqtp)

266 260 Here's my strategy for the House. Tell Obama he will get 17 votes from Republicans. If he wants approval, every Democrat in the House has to vote yes. Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 02:41 PM (DgWZZ) ************** Damn that's good.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:42 AM (r2PLg)

267 As to seeing the videos, yeah I've seen them and it is horrible. But I'm not gonna give a rats ass until they do. It is a culture of killing. Whether it is gas, car bombs, or hijacked airliners, they kill a lot of people. Syria is not worth one drop of American blood or treasure.

Posted by: CDR M at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (OJvfL)

268 Even Democrats in the House can read a calendar and a poll or two and figure out that voting yes with a president that is on the way out in a few years is a bad idea. The GOP should wake up and see that if they stand firm and say no, the Democrats will scoot over and hide behind them.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (AO9UG)

269 Joos.  Blah blah wordy bullshit blah blah. You morons are not serious thinkers.  Like. Me.  Serious.  More blah blah wordy bullshit.  Here's six more paragraphs of wordy bullshit.  I bought a thesaurus.  Blah blah wordy bullshit.  So smart.  Am. I.  Bask in my wordy bullshit radiance of smart.  Blah blah.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel's Inside the House Voice at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (Q9qpj)

270 So my uberlib brother just said, "we have more reason to go into Syria than Iraq." I think my head just exploded a little bit.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (DuRXB)

271 Boehner should bring up an authorization that uses the various quotes from administration officials that demonstrate just how feckless they are. For example, "The President is hereby authorized to use such force that is "just muscular enough not to get mocked"." Then it should be voted down, of course.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (29vnO)

272 Putin is gonna pants Obama at the G20 Summit late night  poker game.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (6OtrR)

273 262 Operation Dither Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 02:41 PM (6OtrR) *************** Ha! Adding an "s" Operation Dithers

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (r2PLg)

274 Talking head on MSKGB: This increases Obama's credibility.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 09:43 AM (VlXYw)

275 @jamestaranto Obama will eat them for lunch. MT @davidaxelrod Congress is now the dog that caught the car.

Posted by: Deety at August 31, 2013 09:44 AM (UaCt0)

276 >The GOP will not be injured in the 2014 elections by a no vote.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2013 02:32 PM (AO9UG) -- Hell no since support for this action is in single digits



that is precisely why I believe Congress will authorize the Precedent to Do Something With Bombs

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 31, 2013 09:44 AM (8sCoq)

277 >Talking head on MSKGB: This increases Obama's credibility.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 02:43 PM (VlXYw)



what else are they gonna say?

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 31, 2013 09:45 AM (8sCoq)

278 Yeah  was so totes serious for the other wars and stuff, and dead kids make me all weepy.  Voted for Bush.  Thrice!  Totes serious severe conservative.  Waved my poms poms for war here hundreds of times, even though none of you seem to have heard of me before until today.

Posted by: Twisted Pink Panties at August 31, 2013 09:45 AM (Q9qpj)

279 Let's get past one thing here. The Dems will lie. That is unavoidable. Congress needs to shut this aimless, ass-covering crap down, and *yes*, Democrats will claim it's partisan and the situation is the same as the Iraq war and OMG WMD and *yes*, most of it will be a pack of lies. *They are going to lie*. It's what they do. It would be a nice opportunity to put their lies to them, and remind them of *their* thoughtless and frequently dishonest actions after 2001, and now, and Libya, and Benghazi, and are those "Syrian Rebels" not operating with heavy weapons we gave them? Not that I expect Congress to get its thumb out if its mouth long enough to do all that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 09:46 AM (qyfb5)

280 267 As to seeing the videos, yeah I've seen them and it is horrible. But I'm not gonna give a rats ass until they do. It is a culture of killing. Whether it is gas, car bombs, or hijacked airliners, they kill a lot of people. Syria is not worth one drop of American blood or treasure. Posted by: CDR M at August 31, 2013 02:43 PM (OJvfL) *************** I don't know if you caught that report from Duncan Hunter Jr. but he just got back from Jordan where they set up an international refuge camp for some 100,000 plus Syrians that is costing everyone--Jordan particularly- and Duncan Hunter Jr said they are "ungrateful".

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 09:46 AM (r2PLg)

281 The bombing will begin within hours....... So we're going to wait 10 days before we even begin to debate this. Gutsy call I think.

Posted by: Bi-Polar Baracka at August 31, 2013 09:47 AM (Aif/5)

282 "Can I just finish my waffling? "

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2013 09:47 AM (mvenn)

283 A thousand monkeys with a thousand hand grenades will eventually produce peace in our time. *** Only if we change the national pastime from baseball to sodomy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 09:48 AM (VlXYw)

284 278 - "Waved my poms poms for war here hundreds of times, even though none of you seem to have heard of me before until today."


So concerned.  Funny how often that happens.

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:48 AM (HjPtV)

285 and Duncan Hunter Jr said they are "ungrateful".

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg)  

 

Based on my experience with Syrians living in America, I am exactly the opposite of shocked.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 31, 2013 09:48 AM (29vnO)

286 and Duncan Hunter Jr said they are "ungrateful". Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg) Of course they are. You don't show gratitude to the heathens. They are giving you your due.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 31, 2013 09:48 AM (GEICT)

287 Beautiful, Seamus.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2013 09:49 AM (6OtrR)

288 Honest question here. We often hear about the suffering of innocent children. And it is painful to see children suffer. But what about the mother, the father, just living their lives, trying to make it through with their families? Are they somehow more deserving of suffering than their children?

Posted by: Northernlurker at August 31, 2013 09:49 AM (qyCBI)

289 @278 Well....I have posted on and off since pre 2012 election...I was in here weeping when Obama was re-elected, stating I didn't have the will to go on. I actually usually post more on domestic and social issues threads....but just because you haven't seen me doesn't mean I've never been here.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 09:49 AM (MCwM8)

290 I supported the first two wars, and I feel kind of stupid now. I supported World War I and World War II, so I must be down with #3?

Posted by: zsasz at August 31, 2013 09:50 AM (MMC8r)

291

253  Can it be pudding pops?

 

nope, its the real ice cream they serve to the officers with real toppings, not that bullshit they have on the mess decks

 

then they announce tasking so you have time to man the nearest repair locker and everyone else gets popcorn, cigars, and lawn chairs to go watch the fun

Posted by: navycopjoe at August 31, 2013 09:51 AM (djLPp)

292 The public overwhelmingly does not want to mess with Syria. How is the media, who just spent a week saying Obama is super totally awesome because he wants to give Syria a little bombing and whatnot, going to cover that now, he unilaterally won't?

Posted by: mare at August 31, 2013 09:51 AM (A98Xu)

293 We wouldn't want to look like hypocrites by like, using our judgement and stuff, rather than just going off to war anybody does something not nice.

Posted by: Twisted Pink Panties at August 31, 2013 09:53 AM (Q9qpj)

294 So Barry wants Congress to authorize military force for an unspecified objective or objectives, yet the administration has deliberately withheld the appearances of dozens of Benghazi witnesses before Congressional committees, including commanders in the chain of command.   Ahhhh ....

Posted by: mrp at August 31, 2013 09:53 AM (HjPtV)

295
Taraysa, the guy fucked me!

Posted by: John Kerry at August 31, 2013 09:53 AM (pJF+c)

296 Support in the single digits means that the Democrats will vote overwhelmingly against and Republicans will for it. I can just feel it coming...

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 09:54 AM (DgWZZ)

297 I don't have a problem with bombing the fuck out of Assad. He's an asshole. But I can't see any way that taking him out doesn't end up with the MB/AQ types running Syria.

Fuck that.

Why not just offer to help the wounded and displaced with food clothes and medicine and keep the six gun in the holster for a bit?

"We can't just do nothing!"

"Why not? It is usually best."

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at August 31, 2013 09:54 AM (E3gqr)

298 There's no way our Congress doesn't back TFG here regardless of any polls; after all, there some presidential balls to be licked and they are just the folks to do that.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 31, 2013 09:54 AM (cHZB7)

299 To bomb or not to bomb, that is the question.

Over to you, Congress.  No, no, that's OK, finish your vacation first.

Posted by: Hamlet-by-the-Potomac at August 31, 2013 09:54 AM (Q9qpj)

300 I firmly believe we should let Meghan McCain decide this one. 

Judgement To Lead.

Posted by: Fritz at August 31, 2013 09:55 AM (KIHQS)

301 Charlie Rangel to once again call for the draft on CNN.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2013 09:56 AM (yE6xT)

302 I don't really like whoever is putting up the main screamy headlines at Drudge lately, they are often quite misleading.  What's the deal with that?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 09:56 AM (8lmkt)

303 Wheee! Even Juan Williams can see that this is not likely to end with just a round of missile strikes.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 09:57 AM (U82Km)

304 NOW he says he'll to go Congress for authorization. This weasel will take any way out he can get.

What's the shorthand for "Let me at em I'll murtalize the bum" out loud while "don't let go of my elbow" lispering?

Posted by: DaveA at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (DL2i+)

305 Tickled Pink, we are already involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are dronin' parts of Pakistan and Yemen, and there's probably a military engagement we're still balls deep in currently that I forgot about. We have a military designed to take on two opponents at a time. I do believe we have already hit our limits. Where should we abandon our efforts to protect other vulnerable, still living children to avenge these dead ones, pray tell?

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (aqORt)

306

So, Tickled Pink-  what would you say to the innocent child bleeding to death after being hit by a random cruise missile strike lobbed solely to assuage your emotions?   "We did it for the chirrens?"  "A cruise missile is not as serious stuff as chemical weapons?"

 

 

Do you even live in the real world?   Life in most of this flawed  world is short, ugly and brutal.  These problems are NOT easy.  And your emotional response  to a video that has a high probability of being propaganda  is not a valid reason to have a fundamentally unserious politician making this type of unilateral decision.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (mvenn)

307
It's alright Barack, you did a great job and fooled the American people.  They will rally behind your decision, and if you decide not to strike, the proletariat will not call you a pussy or a wuss, but will call for a third term.  Believe it.

Posted by: Val Jar at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (pJF+c)

308 Kill them all, Assad, al queada, the rebels, Obama, the Dems, the Repubs. Let it burn down and start this party fresh!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (/UsnP)

309 I am actually sort of OK with intervening-if we could do in such a way as to keep all the interested parties stalemated as long as possible, and maybe even draw some of the outside malefactors into grasping that tar baby (yes, rascist!!, or something).

Who, anywhere, thinks this administration and their running dogs, Senators Queeg and Goober, could manage an intervention in such a way?

So, for the weepy interventionist upthread:  It's not that we are insensitive to the suffering of children.  It's that we are sensitive to sending our children into harm's way at the behest of an administration which is itself run by children.  Get it?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 31, 2013 09:58 AM (Q9qpj)

310 Okay....can someone please explain Michael Savage (radio guy) to me.  I caught a minute of his sho while my MP3 player and he was on about Obama "going in to Syria to steal their oil".  I mean, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Is this guy really that big an idiot, or is he just jabbering to fill air time for his audience of vegetative-staters?

Posted by: Dr. Hackenbush at August 31, 2013 09:59 AM (ymovd)

311 While my MP3 player was booting up.

Posted by: Dr. Hackenbush at August 31, 2013 09:59 AM (ymovd)

312 289 @278

Well....I have posted on and off since pre 2012 election...I was in here weeping when Obama was re-elected, stating I didn't have the will to go on.

I actually usually post more on domestic and social issues threads....but just because you haven't seen me doesn't mean I've never been here.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 02:49 PM (MCwM

 

Just because you've been here before does not mean you are not an idiot on this.  Quite frankly I'd rather look like some "hypocrite" for supporting enemies that have actually attacked us like Afghanistan and Iraq, and not supporting an enemy that hasn't like Syria, than be an idiot and thinking there's no difference between Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:00 AM (LI48c)

313 Obama is so bad that it is entirely possible that he is timing this thing so that the bombing starts just in time to take the first anniversary of the Benghazi clusterfuck off the radar screen...

Posted by: JoeyBagels at August 31, 2013 10:00 AM (lFOE0)

314 Question--who actually reads the HQ email? Is it ace or a communal thing with the cobs?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 10:00 AM (s7/YU)

315 302 I don't really like whoever is putting up the main screamy headlines at Drudge lately, they are often quite misleading. What's the deal with that?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 02:56 PM (8lmkt)

 

Gabe is writing the headlines for Drudge?

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:01 AM (LI48c)

316 "There's no way our Congress doesn't back TFG here regardless of any polls;"


I dunno. Time tempers things, and the fact that hardly anyone in this country thinks Syria is worth anything may slow things down. Polls and all that.


Not to mention the fact that the U.N. hasn't reported yet on who did the gas attacks.


So who knows? The prez passed it on to Congress so that he doesn't have to accept responsibility. That was the most important feature in his press conference, at least to me.

Posted by: HH at August 31, 2013 10:03 AM (XXwdv)

Posted by: Axelbot at August 31, 2013 10:03 AM (Q9qpj)

318 Introduce legislation that will make Assad subject to Obamacare. That'll show him!

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 31, 2013 10:03 AM (29vnO)

319 314 Question--who actually reads the HQ email? Is it ace or a communal thing with the cobs?

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 03:00 PM (s7/YU)

 

If it's the one in the sidebar you are talking about it is ace.  Who knows you might even get lucky and he'll read it.  Or maybe have hell freeze over and he'll respond. 

 

I think I've had hell freeze over 2 or 3 times.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:03 AM (LI48c)

320 Yeah, I posted here a lot right around the 2012 elections.  Hundreds of times, even, though someone kept changing my well argued talking points into stuff about how I like to eat paste off my sister's back while diddling.

Which may or may not be true, but that's PRIVATE.

Posted by: Axelbot Troll #112B-311 at August 31, 2013 10:05 AM (Q9qpj)

321 So many different opinions on this.  I think barky's fondest wish is that congress says no and gets him off the hook, in that blameless fashion he so seeks.  I really can't see congress saying, hey, wtf, let's lob some in there.  Plus, I seem to remember hearing that whatever ordnance we blow on this will not be replaced?  Did I just make that up?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:05 AM (8lmkt)

322 I think somebody else made that up, Peaches. But it's not implausible given the sequeshter.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:07 AM (qyfb5)

323 Damn, Charlie Rangel's on CNN right now saying that he would currently vote no on a declaration of war/authorization of use of military force.  Quite strongly.

Posted by: beancounter, delurking at August 31, 2013 10:07 AM (adTOh)

324 Stephen Hayes ‏@stephenfhayes 2m RT: @HotlineJosh RT @CarrieNBCNews From the pool: Obama and Biden are now playing golf.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 10:07 AM (r2PLg)

325 Peaches's lies still have more truth than anything SCOAMT says.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 10:08 AM (s7/YU)

326 During the war in Iraq, foreign insurgents from all over, but mostly Egypt, flew into Damascus and were bussed by the Assad regime to the Iraqi border where they crossed over and joined the fight against the US-led coalition (and were killed by the thousands… yuk yuk yuk.) Now there are Sunni (read: Al Qaeda type) insurgents fighting the Iran-sponsored Assad regime; the insurgents receiving support from Wahhabi assholes in Saudi Arabia. The same Wahhabi assholes who supported those who flew airplanes into our buildings and sell oil to us for dollars, and use those dollars to support Wahhabism throughout the world, including right here in River City. In case everyone missed the memo, the fight in SW Asia is between the Sunnis and Shias. But, let's not drill for oil in ANWR or build any pipelines or drill in the Gulf of Mexico. But now children in Syria have died from chemical attacks, so let's all hug each other. Oh crap, what time does America's Got Talent come on tonight?

Posted by: Andy in FL at August 31, 2013 10:08 AM (nf/Xx)

327 The only Repukes supporting strikes against Syria that I have seen are McShitty and Nancy Boy.  And the polls say only 9% of the public supports it. They do not even have support of the Dems in the public.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2013 10:08 AM (zZbNF)

328 Damn, Charlie Rangel's on CNN right now saying that he would currently vote no on a declaration of war/authorization of use of military force. Quite strongly.

It's possible they just haven't offered him the right deal yet. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:08 AM (8lmkt)

329 Ack, Crank!!!  I wasn't lying.  I don't lie.  Even as a kid, I didn't lie (didn't really care).  I was asking a question of those smarter and more well-informed than myself. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:10 AM (8lmkt)

330 321 So many different opinions on this. I think barky's fondest wish is that congress says no and gets him off the hook, in that blameless fashion he so seeks. I really can't see congress saying, hey, wtf, let's lob some in there. Plus, I seem to remember hearing that whatever ordnance we blow on this will not be replaced? Did I just make that up?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:05 PM (8lmkt

 

I think the "debate" should consist of reading statements Obama has made in the past like JohnE. has been highlighting here.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:10 AM (LI48c)

331 Announcers just said it is a "Golden Opportunity" for Rice. So racist. No, it's sciency. Golden Rice.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 31, 2013 10:10 AM (xSegX)

332 Geez oh Pete. My purpose was not to compare which wars are justified and which ones aren't; which deaths and justified and which ones aren't; which deaths are worth action over and which aren't, etc etc. My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all. Let me be perfectly candid here: I absolutely don't think we should send general troops on the ground into Syria. But, I am not opposed to missile attacks, targeted air attacks, or a Seal Team 6 style mission to take out Assad. Full scale war? No. But, I do think we should do something to assert that acts of murder will not stand. I would say the same about North Korea, Egypt, or any other nation that murders its own people.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 10:11 AM (MCwM8)

333 And Syria declares victory.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 10:11 AM (U82Km)

334 The House's way out is to vote no on military action and authorize several billion in material aid for the refugee's and such.

Let the French distribute it.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at August 31, 2013 10:11 AM (E3gqr)

335 We often hear about the suffering of innocent children. And it is painful to see children suffer. But what about the mother, the father, just living their lives, trying to make it through with their families? Are they somehow more deserving of suffering than their children? *** I think the idea is that adults must take responsibilit (Donk presidents excluded, of course) while children are clearly not responsible. I've noticed a similar phenomenon regarding horses. I've read military histories from Ancient Rome to WWII in which soldiers comment on piles of dead humans but grieve for dead horses.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2013 10:11 AM (VlXYw)

336

This 'turnaround' is ALL about Russia.

 

Saudi Arabia has been pressuring the US to intervene...

 

But Prince Bandar of the House of Saud, went to Russia last week, where he told Putin that if Russia stops its support of Syria, they have enough control there to ensure Russia keeps its Port there.... AND that they have enough operational control over the Chechen Terrorist groups, that they can stop any attacks on the Winter Olympics to be held in Russia.

 

So.... a Prince of the House of Saud, told Vlad Putin (Russian Nationalist and Ex KGB Agent), that they have operational Control of the same group who used Poison gas to kill 100s of Russian children a few years ago.

 

Putin is.... angry.. and has since leaked that 'if' Russian interests are attacked... he will go after the House of Saud itself.... not Saudi Arabia.... but the ruling family.

 

Any chaos in the order of succession in Saudi Arabia, will destroy the political infrastructure of the Country.... as Saudi is still Tribal in nature...

 

Ergo, Saudi pressure on the US has switched gears... right into reverse...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 10:12 AM (lZBBB)

337 It's possible they just haven't offered him the right deal yet.

Yeah, my inner cynic tells me he'll likely eventually fall in line.  Still it was nice to see a little (D) on (D) criticism.

Posted by: beancounter, delurking at August 31, 2013 10:13 AM (adTOh)

338 But, I am not opposed to missile attacks, targeted air attacks, or a Seal Team 6 style mission to take out Assad. Full scale war? No. But, I do think we should do something to assert that acts of murder will not stand.

I would say the same about North Korea, Egypt, or any other nation that murders its own people.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 03:11 PM (MCwM8

 

So you believe we should commit the illegal by US law act of assassination of a foreign leader.  And you don't want to be thought of as an idiot?

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:13 AM (LI48c)

339 310 Okay....can someone please explain Michael Savage (radio guy) to me. Is this guy really that big an idiot, or is he just jabbering to fill air time for his audience of vegetative-staters? Yes.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 10:13 AM (U82Km)

340 315
302

The headline is pretty well flushed out to the left -- maybe today, tomorrow, next week etc.  Perhaps he's hoping the MSM or similar will just run with the headline to mock. 

Posted by: gracepmc at August 31, 2013 10:14 AM (rznx3)

341 Oh Peaches, I didn't mean to impugn you, you know I love you! I was just using some hyperbole to impugn Obama, which I definitely did mean to do.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 10:15 AM (s7/YU)

342

My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all.

 

I feel plenty.  I feel that the life of one US Soldier/Sailor/Pilot is worth 10,000 of their lives.  And we should not be so flippant about risking them in a conflict where we would either benefit the Iranian puppets of the government or the Al Qaeda terrorist rebels.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:18 AM (LI48c)

343 So in retrospect, instead of pushing for Congressional approval, Boehner should have just told Obama last week it was his decision?

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 10:18 AM (DgWZZ)

344 My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all.

Let me be perfectly candid here: I absolutely don't think we should send general troops on the ground into Syria.

But, I am not opposed to missile attacks, targeted air attacks, or a Seal Team 6 style mission to take out Assad. Full scale war? No. But, I do think we should do something to assert that acts of murder will not stand.


Okay.  I tried to stay out of this, but you have just fried my ass.  And this will be my only acknowledgment of your kind presence in this gathering.  But you are fuckin' mental. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:18 AM (8lmkt)

345 "But, I am not opposed to missile attacks, targeted air attacks, or a Seal Team 6 style mission to take out Assad"

Yeah, a nice clean push-button war.  Those always turn out so well for us.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 31, 2013 10:18 AM (Q9qpj)

346 310 Okay....can someone please explain Michael Savage (radio guy) to me. I caught a minute of his sho while my MP3 player and he was on about Obama "going in to Syria to steal their oil". I mean, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Is this guy really that big an idiot, or is he just jabbering to fill air time for his audience of vegetative-staters?

Posted by: Dr. Hackenbush at August 31, 2013 02:59 PM (ymovd)

 

Curious/catpiss loved it some Michael Savage.  So definitely an idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:19 AM (LI48c)

347

Posted by: Andy in FL at August 31, 2013 03:08 PM (nf/Xx)

 

this is all about OIL Politics.

 

Saudi Arabia want to put a pipeline across Syria to get oil to Turkey, where there are existing pipelines to take it to European Markets....

 

Russia, the largest oil producer in the world... does not want that pipeline built... and Assad IS a Russian Ally.... from way back.... and Russia is bankrolling pipelines across their 'Near Abroad' (border countries...).

 

Syria would not make a lot of money off this pipeline... as they are not really an oil producer....

 

so... its not in Assad's interest to build that pipeline.... so Saudi is bankrolling the insurgency, and using its influence on us to get involved...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 10:20 AM (lZBBB)

348 332 My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all.

Let me be perfectly candid here: I absolutely don't think we should send general troops on the ground into Syria.


Being moved and being willing to lash out hysterically because something must be done! are two different things entirely.

Will a few Tomahawks stop the killing? No.

Posted by: Anachronda used to know Morse code at August 31, 2013 10:21 AM (U82Km)

349 D'oh! Goodbye, stinky sock!

Posted by: Anachronda at August 31, 2013 10:21 AM (U82Km)

350 In Syria, we should follow the old French post-colonial strategy. 1) Sell weapons to both sides, 2) enemies die on both sides, 3) profit!

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 10:21 AM (s7/YU)

351 WTF?  This guy is a head of state, who has had over thirty documented failed assassination attempts on him, and has security protection that reflects that.

We're not magicians, you stupid fucking armchair Von Clausewitz.

Gee, for our next gig, let's take out Putin.  FFS.

Posted by: SEAL Team Six at August 31, 2013 10:22 AM (Q9qpj)

352 He doesn't want a debate, he wants a vote.  So he has someone to pass the buck to when/if things go bad.

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 10:22 AM (C+qQ0)

353 Tickled Pink, #332: I'm going to guess you feel attacked for voicing an unpopular point of view here, so let me call your attention to the following: "My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all." Well, gosh, who could get pissed off reading that? Only the sort of monster who doesn't give a damn about gassed kids. Let me put it another way: Don't assume. You know nothing of how hard my heart is or isn't. You sure as hell don't know what I feel. If some of us have pegged you as a liberal it's because, whatever your other conservative inclinations may be, you've fallen into the classic trap - roughly: I feel we need to Do Something, and if you don't agree you must just not care like I do.

Posted by: JPS at August 31, 2013 10:22 AM (9ziuC)

354 so... its not in Assad's interest to build that pipeline.... so Saudi is bankrolling the insurgency, and using its influence on us to get involved...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 03:20 PM (lZBBB)



Building a pipeline is the first semi-good reason I've seen for military intervention

Posted by: phreshone at August 31, 2013 10:23 AM (Pr6hk)

355 Okay, I get it now. If you don't want to bomb Syria in an expressly ineffectual symbolic gesture, you must lack human empathy. Oh, also Burma, Somolia, North Korea, Cuba, China, several African countries, Venezuela, maybe Germany over the homeschooling thing. Or maybe we need to deal with the persistent reports that Al Qaeda in Syria has been getting heavy weapons from the US through Libya.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:23 AM (qyfb5)

356

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:18 PM (8lmkt)

 

If someone could show me proof that those were sent by Assad's Government? OK... (besides Obamas, Rice's, or Kerry's words... all of whom are proven liars).

 

But the Middle East has a long history of using media to send lies to the West.

 

And what you speak of is overthrowing a UN Member States Government, without a Declaration of War, UN Security Council Resolution, or even a real threat to the US itself...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 10:24 AM (lZBBB)

357 So you believe we should commit the illegal by US law act of assassination of a foreign leader. And you don't want to be thought of as an idiot?

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 03:13 PM (LI48c) 

*****

This is indeed the law.  And the law is an ass.

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 10:25 AM (C+qQ0)

358 Take a friend's advice. Leave well alone, Or your goose may be cooked and eaten to the bone. ~~ First Temptation of Christ

Posted by: WE CAN TWERK IT OUT... at August 31, 2013 10:25 AM (NHMrq)

359 Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 03:24 PM (lZBBB)

sweetie, only the last bit was me, the rest was a copy and paste from our little code pink friend up there.  i am don't have the power of italicization . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:26 AM (8lmkt)

360

Tickled Pink-  I am willing to  stipulate   that you are a compassionate person.  But for crying out loud, you need to temper your emotional response with a little judicious skepticism.  Ask yourself why somebody might be trying to manipulate your emotions.  Who benefits?  

 

And don't come here an widely accuse the commentariat here of not feeling anything  as a blanket accusation.  'Cause that is trollish behavior and rude.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2013 10:26 AM (mvenn)

361  Fox is reporting that Bammy is now headed to the links. Priorities, people.

Posted by: Aud at August 31, 2013 10:27 AM (PGpgl)

362

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:26 PM (8lmkt)

 

LOL.... sorry.... was reading posts from the bottom up....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 10:28 AM (lZBBB)

363 i am don't have the power of italicization . . . Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:26 PM (8lmkt) [ i ] text [ /i ] Remove the extra spaces inside the brackets.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:29 AM (qyfb5)

364

Building a pipeline is the first semi-good reason I've seen for military intervention

 


 

Posted by: phreshone at August 31, 2013 03:23 PM (Pr6hk)

 

 

So Saudi and European MONEY, is a good enough reason to send my Active Duty SON to WAR?

 

I have just a... bit.... of a problem with that...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 31, 2013 10:29 AM (lZBBB)

365 Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 03:25 PM (C+qQ0)

This is what I keep thinking (and perhaps I read too much Vince Flynn - RIP - and Brad Thor).  If the CIA was what it once was, we should be able to deal with all this shit down and dirty and without a lot of angst and bullshit.  It is constantly astonishing to me that we can't deal with most of the world's annoyances under the radar and with extreme prejudice.  Cause I would love that, a lot.

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:29 AM (8lmkt)

366 DO. YOU. WANT. TOTAL. WAR?

Posted by: Herr Doktor Goebbels, in a pink leotard at August 31, 2013 10:30 AM (Q9qpj)

367 This is what I think of the SCOAMF's speeches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyZwDcLGknU Priceless is right. hint: hippo gone wild

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 31, 2013 10:30 AM (IXrOn)

368 I think the House needs to hold hearings on intervening in Syria, and get head-to-head testimony from two key US players by video: Senator Barack Obama vs. President Barack Obama.  It could drag on for weeks, but at the end we might be on the way to achieving regime change.  In the U.S.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 31, 2013 10:30 AM (qIFL7)

369 *****This is indeed the law. And the law is an ass.

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 03:25 PM (C+qQ0)

 

Sure but change the law first.  And along that I don't really like the idea of military assasination squads.  That's more of a job for the CIA to do.  And really based on their track record of attempted assassinations that didn't work, its probably good that it is against the law for the US to conduct assassinations.  That way we don't look as inept when they go and fuck it up again.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:30 AM (LI48c)

370 Read elsewhere - all Republicans vote Present.

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 10:31 AM (DgWZZ)

371 Should Assad be allowed to gas women and children

Posted by: occam at August 31, 2013 10:31 AM (lbwy+)

372 [ i ] text [ /i ]

Remove the extra spaces inside the brackets.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at August 31, 2013 03:29 PM (qyfb5)


oh, bless your heart, Mero, that you would think I have that kind of patience. 

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:31 AM (8lmkt)

373 Peaches, the problem is the executive order? Signed by Ford after the Church Commission. It could be rescinded, but announcing that you will pursue assassination as part of foreign policy is a bit of a faux pas.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 10:31 AM (s7/YU)

374 Okay, I get it now. If you don't want to bomb Syria in an expressly ineffectual symbolic gesture, you must lack human empathy.

When the US military launches an aerial bombardment campaign against abortion mills here, I will have time to give a shit about foreigner's children.

Probably not muslim ones, though.

Posted by: Methos at August 31, 2013 10:32 AM (hO9ad)

375 Should Assad be allowed to gas women and children

Let's first address whether our federal government should be allowed to use my tax dollars to abort fetuses, and we can get to that question second, okay?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:32 AM (8lmkt)

376 Would we allow him to do it to Jews?

Posted by: occam at August 31, 2013 10:33 AM (lbwy+)

377 My only initial question was how hard your hearts must be that seeing the images and videos...that you are not moved, that you feel nothing. That's all." Well, gosh, who could get pissed off reading that? Only the sort of monster who doesn't give a damn about gassed kids. Let me put it another way: Don't assume. You know nothing of how hard my heart is or isn't. ************* She basically just mimicked what our Secretary of State John Kerry said to the whole world when he was the first member of the Obama Administration to give a speech about what we would do in regard to Syria. See what an abysmal failure of diplomacy--what an amateur he is? What mattered most to Kerry was the opportunity to lecture everyone about his personal moral superiority because he--kerry could divine on first sight that the gassing was done by Assad. Actually the commenter is more diplomatic because now they have retreaded from Kerry's First Scold to The World.

Posted by: tasker at August 31, 2013 10:33 AM (r2PLg)

378 Michelle, let me be clear.  Tonight I'm going to allow you to chop wood like Paul Bunyan in the Sequoia National Forest, just as soon as I wrap up these 18 holes, and Reggie and I grab a bite to eat at the Green Lantern.

Posted by: Commander "Two Fronts" Obama at August 31, 2013 10:33 AM (KIHQS)

379 I forgot that we need to have testimony from Senators Clinton and Kerry, and Secretaries of State Clinton and Kerry too.

Hilarity will ensue.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 31, 2013 10:33 AM (qIFL7)

380 WTF? This guy is a head of state, who has had over thirty documented failed assassination attempts on him, and has security protection that reflects that.

We're not magicians.

Gee, for our next gig, let's take out Putin. FFS.

SEAL Team Six at August 31, 2013 03:22 PM (Q9qpj)

*********

Hey!  I saw Air Force One.  I know what we can and must do.  And it involves shooting sentries while HALO jumping.*

Or HAHO jumping.  The movie wasn't clear.

And a lot of dramatic music.


Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 10:33 AM (C+qQ0)

381 Tickled Pink doesn't want to be called a troll, and yet there is the troll pulling the exact same shit she was.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:34 AM (LI48c)

382 Why doesn't Obomba just send a drone....or 12?

Posted by: BignJames at August 31, 2013 10:35 AM (ZNQKl)

383 Peaches, the problem is the executive order? Signed by Ford after the Church Commission. It could be rescinded, but announcing that you will pursue assassination as part of foreign policy is a bit of a faux pas.

Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at August 31, 2013 03:31 PM (s7/YU)


I'm not saying we should announce it!!  Just saying we could do it, uh, covertly, and keep our pieholes shut about it and make the world a better place.  I know . . . it's all about the pr now, isn't it?

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:35 AM (8lmkt)

384 #374 Best comment of the day!

Posted by: Andy in FL at August 31, 2013 10:36 AM (nf/Xx)

385 Who was the jinxer last night who said they hadn't seen many trolls lately? It's been practically continuous since the previous Thursday (Herr Doktor Zience post). *This* Thursday's ONT went pretty darned well IIRC, unlike last night.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:36 AM (qyfb5)

386

If we attempted to assasinate Assad he'd probably end up living to be 110.

 

See: Castro, Fidel

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:37 AM (LI48c)

387 370 Read elsewhere - all Republicans vote Present

Posted by: zippy at August 31, 2013 03:31 PM (DgWZZ)

*********

Why not?  Obama just did.

Posted by: gracepmc at August 31, 2013 10:37 AM (rznx3)

388 I pray that what he wants is for Congress to vote him down and then he can go to the international community and say "Well, I wanted to, seriously you guys, but that do-nothing Congress wouldn't let me, gosh darn it" and we'll be out of this mess. This war is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. Still, with folks like McCain and the nancy boy in the Republican party, Obama just may get his war. He won't like it when he does.

Why couldn't he have kept his stupid yap shut about red lines?

Posted by: Palandine[/i] at August 31, 2013 10:38 AM (OldRG)

389 I Am Shocked That Someone Said "Hey, You People Are Idiots/Heartless/Ignorant Now Please Discuss This Politely With Me"... and somehow that didn't work out.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:38 AM (qyfb5)

390 Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:29 PM (8lmkt)

*****

Well, in all seriousness, we don't need a CIA or military hit squad for this.

Just a smart bomb or cruise missile.

We are very good with those.

But the problem is the ban on assassination.


Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 10:39 AM (C+qQ0)

391 388 I pray that what he wants is for Congress to vote him down and then he can go to the international community and say "Well, I wanted to, seriously you guys, but that do-nothing Congress wouldn't let me, gosh darn it" and we'll be out of this mess. This war is the worst idea in the history of bad ideas. Still, with folks like McCain and the nancy boy in the Republican party, Obama just may get his war. He won't like it when he does.

Why couldn't he have kept his stupid yap shut about red lines?

Posted by: Palandine at August 31, 2013 03:38 PM (OldRG)

 

He wouldn't do that.  The International Community would cheer Congress.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:39 AM (LI48c)

392 Congress should fuck with TFG by giving him the green light, but only on a certain day between certain hours and only on certain targets. In other words, completely nullify his war-planning by broadcasting our entire play book. GOP gets to look like they're "helping" and can't be blamed. Assad moves all his shit away and the strikes become so worthless, TFG can't give give the order to go loud.

Posted by: EC at August 31, 2013 10:39 AM (doBIb)

393 Occam, #376: " Would we allow him to do it to Jews?" There are none, to my knowledge, still living in Syria. If you mean Israelis, it wouldn't come down to our letting him or not: They would unleash some serious hell if he tried. They take this "never again" thing seriously.

Posted by: JPS at August 31, 2013 10:39 AM (9ziuC)

394 But the problem is the ban on assassination.

I'm not talking just about Syria and Assad.  I'm talking about the machine-gunner of ex-girlfriends, those shitbirds in Iran, half of Africa, half of Central and South America.  Just the fact that we have a CIA that takes a "ban" seriously makes me weep.  Buncha fuckin' pussies, that's what they've turned into.  Bill Donovan is probably rolling over in his grave.  He knew how to get this shit done.

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:43 AM (8lmkt)

395 Peaches, I no longer have any confidence that the CIA knows who the enemy is. I think this is a variant of the "Best government - good king, worst government - bad king, better government - no king" model. In *theory* the ability to take out dictators would be better than long drawn out conflicts, but *in practice* it's probably at least as bad. Life sucks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2013 10:49 AM (qyfb5)

396 @360 Thank you for your stipulation. It would be correct. And, I apologize for my blanket statement. But, you must understand...when I started all these, all I saw were jokes. Jokes over something that is NOT a laughing matter. It's the same kind of stuff we saw from libs against Dubya...I thought we were better than them. I didn't see anyone say "What happened in Syria was horrible, BUT..." or "I saw the videos and they made me sick to my stomach, BUT..." It was all jokes, and people blowing off what happened over there as if it was nothing. "But what about these people? But what about those people?" So, please forgive me for assuming that the people here have no sympathy for what happened in Syria...I wasn't seeing it.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 10:50 AM (MCwM8)

397 332..... um ....you do realize that by bombing Syria we are fighting on the same side as AQ don't you?.....

Posted by: ET at August 31, 2013 10:54 AM (YpjaN)

398 Whoops - I was wrong. From Wikipedia, taken with obligatory grain of salt: "In May 2012...it was reported that only 22 Jews still lived in Syria, all of them elderly and living in Damascus...." So, Occam, if Assad decided to kill his 22 remaining Jews, I think I'd say let the Israelis intervene on their behalf - or avenge them - and I'd cheer them as they did. I would not say, The United States needs to stop this because the victims' being Jewish makes a difference - this is how anti-Semites (not calling you one) think we pro-Israel fanatics reason.

Posted by: JPS at August 31, 2013 10:55 AM (9ziuC)

399 I didn't see anyone say "What happened in Syria was horrible, BUT..." or "I saw the videos and they made me sick to my stomach, BUT..." It was all jokes, and people blowing off what happened over there as if it was nothing. "But what about these people? But what about those people?"

So, please forgive me for assuming that the people here have no sympathy for what happened in Syria...I wasn't seeing it.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 03:50 PM (MCwM

 

Because this thread is less about Syria and more about our Joke of a president.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 10:55 AM (LI48c)

400 obama the master manipulator.  The classic result of affirmative  action. Now he can blame congress/Republicans for whatever the outcome, and his fools will nod their empty heads in approval.

Posted by: Bufalobob at August 31, 2013 10:56 AM (1x/zO)

401 Someone is Shocked at morbid jokes at AoSHQ? Someone who says she's a regular reader? Riiiggghtt.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 31, 2013 10:57 AM (Tnlh/)

402 Congress will debate it and approve it and fund it.  It will be a way to avoid the debt ceiling debate following the G20...just a simple but very important missile strike...not really a "war", the MSM will repeat over and over and over again.
And it will go horribly wrong.  Washington has lit the match and God help us as they trip and lite the fuse.

Posted by: farmersusie at August 31, 2013 10:57 AM (ydb8s)

403 Peaches at August 31, 2013 03:43 PM (8lmkt)

Two thoughts.

1.  If I was a CIA/Military guy with the power to assassinate, given what I know about political and media elites, I wouldn't pull the trigger/push the button/give the order either.

I'm not willing to sacrifice myself for people who wouldn't make any sacrifice on my behalf if the shoe was on the other foot.

2.  I never understood how it was "moral" to kill tens or hundreds of thousands of soldiers to enforce our will in war, but immoral to enforce our same will in war via the assassination of one man.



 

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 10:57 AM (C+qQ0)

404 But, you must understand...when I started all these, all I saw were jokes. Jokes over something that is NOT a laughing matter. It's the same kind of stuff we saw from libs against Dubya...I thought we were better than them.

I didn't see anyone say "What happened in Syria was horrible, BUT..." or "I saw the videos and they made me sick to my stomach, BUT..." It was all jokes, and people blowing off what happened over there as if it was nothing. "But what about these people? But what about those people?"

So, please forgive me for assuming that the people here have no sympathy for what happened in Syria...I wasn't seeing it.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 03:50 PM (MCwM


You stupid bint.  If you came here even a tiny miniscule fraction of the amount of time you claim, you would not post such adolescent, pre-menstrual horseshit.  This is the horde.  The horde snarks everything, nothing is sacred when the horde rolls.  And nobody comes here to make you feel better.  You're on the wrong blog, little girl. 


And you're fuckin' mental.

Posted by: Peaches at August 31, 2013 10:57 AM (8lmkt)

405 What I saw:  President backed down, gave the middle east the win, and then went golfing.  He is gonna get us all killed.  Could this be the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, for American's and we start the process to get him out of office.  I did not want to go in to Syria, still don't, but he just humiliated the Country in front of the world.  He has no credibility left. 

Posted by: DailyDish at August 31, 2013 10:58 AM (+b3dK)

406 @404 Yes, and like I said, I spend most of my time on the domestic or social threads....so yes, I am used to the snark and the jokes. However, I have seen seriousness where seriousness is warranted. I guess on something serious like this....I expected differently. People weren't joking so much on November 7th, 2012. I am not a little girl. I'm 30. However, if you are calling me little girl in the way Drogo calls Dany, I'm up for it if you are.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 11:05 AM (MCwM8)

407 Oh and she's a lesbian too.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2013 11:11 AM (LI48c)

408 By waiting til after recess and claiming this could happen "one month from now" Obama  is hoping the American people will just forget  all about  Syria and his gaffetastic response to it. He's got the MSM to help; I bet we simply won't hear about Syria in the news  anymore.

On another note: if  Cameron "bungled it" and was an "embarrassment" because Parliament  said no, then those same things will apply to Obama when Congress says no to him.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 31, 2013 11:11 AM (KL49F)

409 Cerias you guys, when it was Joe Montana in a car crash, there was none of this  unseemly chuckling-up-the-sleeve.

So, two foaming-at-the-mouth kids walk into a bar, see.

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2013 11:15 AM (JNUY4)

410

I am SO going to fuck her..... right after I ask her dad.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at August 31, 2013 11:17 AM (jucos)

411 However, if you are calling me little girl in the way Drogo calls Dany, I'm up for it if you are.


Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 04:05 PM (MCwM

Speaking as a geezer who doesn't get every cultural reference you cool kids come up with, please explain the above sentence.

Using references to flappers and hep cats please.

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 11:23 AM (C+qQ0)

412 Well, President Biden is sounding better and better all the time. Bleck.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 31, 2013 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

413 @411 It was a reference to Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 11:24 AM (MCwM8)

414 Congress should Authorize the Use of Force against both sides.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at August 31, 2013 11:26 AM (SzAZ7)

415 NaCly Dog at August 31, 2013 04:23 PM (u82oZ)

Honestly, we would have been soooo better off with him.

IF he gets the nomination, I hope he selects Hilary to be his vice.

Not because I like Hilary.

But because I don't.

I can think of no torture more exquisite than watching Hilary seethe and grit her teeth next to Biden for 4 to 8 years.

Just knowing that she is sooooo close to the office.

But not in it.

Her nightly tears of rage and frustration would be sweet ambrosia...

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 11:28 AM (C+qQ0)

416 It was a reference to Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at August 31, 2013 04:24 PM (MCwM

*****

Which....I haven't seen.

What did I tell you about using references to flappers and hep cats?

Just because I use this newfangled electric internet telegraph contraption doesn't mean I'm hip to all your new fangled ways.

I remember the debate about suffrage.  Those lasses had nice gams.


Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 11:33 AM (C+qQ0)

417 Tickled Pink is boring me. C'mon, dance little monkey. Entertain the horde or get vaped.

Posted by: TB3K at August 31, 2013 11:36 AM (OJvfL)

418 Eh, cut her some slack.  She seems OK.

I mean, what is the end game you are looking for here?

What do you want her to say?

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 11:38 AM (C+qQ0)

419

WTF?  We're not bombing anything this weekend.  Ugh and I just went and filled the SUV's gas tank before the price went through the roof.  Wonderful!

Posted by: Jaimo at August 31, 2013 11:40 AM (nFmZ1)

420 Jaimo at August 31, 2013 04:40 PM (nFmZ1)

Heh.  I hope you at least got a 3% cash back by using a credit card...

Posted by: Taco Shack at August 31, 2013 11:42 AM (C+qQ0)

421 So it's "this is a CRISIS! Give me a buzz when you get back from break"?

He doesn't want to do it, so he's handing it off to the GOP. And Boehner agrees. Sigh.

It is geopolitics and oil or just plain cowardice? He even disagreed with his own SoState!

Posted by: pj at August 31, 2013 11:56 AM (ZWaLo)

422

More mush from the wimp.

 

The Bamster doesn't know what he wants, other than he wants to be not responsible.

 

He announces a national address on Syria to be held from the Rose Garden at 1 pm Eastern Time sharp.   So the cameras are out there, the podium is set up--and you've got 37 bleeding minutes of looking at an empty space behind the podium.    Obozo shows up at 1:37 Eastern time to his own party.  But we all saw the empty suit behind the podium from 1 to 1:37--and the view didn't change much after he showed up.

There are a number of working people in the United States, myself included, who have very little patience with people who are not punctual.  Note I said "working" people.

The optics in setting a date and hour for something--then showing up late are awful.  Didn't the little poseur know what he wanted to say at the time he announced the hour for the speech?  Was he still making it up as he went along?

 

A very weak performance.  But then, where Obama is concerned, what else is new?

 

Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 31, 2013 11:57 AM (RZP0w)

423 Just wanted to add this to a dead thread and the pimp-slapping by Peaches: loling at a 30 year old *little girl* who asserts adulthood. Maybe legally. But when I was 30--22 years ago--I was a Democrat and had no clue about the history of Democrats with respect to people of my race. And I considered myself quite smart; I had been in the military for 11 years and spoke three languages. Two decades later, I realize how stupid I was. The difference now? I know how much I don't know. If you are lucky and/or blessed, TP, age will help you to get over yourself...if you are lucky and/or blessed.

Posted by: baldilocks at August 31, 2013 12:52 PM (Tnlh/)

424 If you can stand it we have the full video posted on CC.... http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

Posted by: Steve at August 31, 2013 01:15 PM (xZPp3)

425 Striking at the end of the month would have been a faulty strategy. Better to strike at the beginning of the month when Obama's constituency has had their EBT cards reloaded.

Posted by: Default Imperial at August 31, 2013 02:32 PM (443dZ)

426 I am going crazy with the constant talk from Obama etc. It is so bizarre. It seems like he has different people pulling him in different directions. I take it this is what happened behind the scenes with everything else overseas- especially the pirate hostage rescue and the Bin Laden killing. I don't know how his people put up with him - and her.

Posted by: Baldy at August 31, 2013 03:25 PM (tyDFN)

427 I think we need a vote alright. A vote of no confidence on this poseur

Posted by: maxwell at August 31, 2013 04:08 PM (rHL7O)

428 This ride is going to be pretty fucking crazy as it goes on.  Wait until some more scandal, political defeats and any other "you're the fuckingest loserest preezy evah" stuff. 

Oh, especially look out when time has flown, The Down Low ManBoy is in his final year/months and her (sic) legacy is looking like full on "It Will Soon Be Time to Reflect on 8 years of Empty Suited FUBAR Leadership by Teh Won".  "Axe, is that the best we got!!!??"  "Who am I speaking with and how did you get this number?"

Gonna be Chicago Style Ram Somethin' Down politics, lining the pockets with offen$ive pardon$ to keep Patricia Ewing (f.k.a. "Patrick", an NBA Hall of Famer) in Fresh Maine Lobster Claws--the bestest, reddest, part--dipped in Lobster Sauce, served with Lobster Fries, Lobster Bisque and Lobster Salad, a Kobe Beef palate cleanser and Lobster Cheesecake. 

Posted by: eureka! at August 31, 2013 04:37 PM (CCfZi)

429

  Congress should authorize the JEF to use two nukes in the Syria/ME situation... one on Damascus or wherever you think Assad is at the moment and one on Mecca.   This is what we can give you.... use it or not.... it's up to you..... and don't bother us again till you come up with a balanced budget proposal that doesn't include massive tax increases......

 

  Makes as much sense as indiscriminately lobbing cruise missiles into Syria in hopes of a regime change or some such shit..... 

Posted by: Go BIG or STFU at August 31, 2013 06:01 PM (ZNjLA)

430 So Urkel made the decision to wait for congressional approval before striking Syria during a long walk.Too bad there wasn't a short pier involved somewhere.

Posted by: benjamin harrison at September 01, 2013 05:55 AM (LSPTM)

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