May 30, 2008

Obama's Jesuit Buddy Praises Farrakhan, Peddles Goverment-Put-Drugs-Into-Black-Community Conspiracy
— Ace

Pflaming Pfleger. He says he's been "lied on" a lot. I imagine that's true.

The drug conspiracy bit occurs within thirty seconds (we only had a drug problem once the drugs got out of the places they were supposed to be, i.e., moved into the white community out of the black community where the government planted them), the defense of Farrakhan occurs from 2:00 to 3:00.

This clip is a bit old but has recently been getting attention.

Check him out doing his best Homeboy Accent. It's unbelievably condescending. It's one step away from a blackface minstrel show, for God's sakes.

Oh, and here's the motherfucker talking about America needing to "pay the price" for "raping people of color." This is from the same "sermon" where he cried about "white entitlement."

Interestingly, his point seems to be that America needs to pay the price for raping blacks -- and that horrible price is the election of Barack Hussein Obama to the office of President.

Not exactly reassuring when even Obama's buddy and fellow Farrakhan-loving supporter thinks that Obama does not represent change and hope, but rather payback and punishment, at least for most Americans.


Posted by: Ace at 04:09 PM | Comments (120)
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1 Didn't they just find some sort of new tribe in Brazil that's never seen an outsider? I think the Chicago Diocese should send Pfleger there to do some missionary work immediately if not sooner.

Posted by: shibumi at May 30, 2008 04:16 PM (tZB/c)

2 I'm sure Obama would like nothing more.

Except maybe if he could take Wright with him.

I'd rather keep them around.  Wright, Pfleger, Meeks, Ayers, Dohrn, Acorn... the whole leftwing radical racist gang.


Posted by: ace at May 30, 2008 04:20 PM (aEOLm)

3 The dude (Father Pfleger) sounds like The American Dream, Dusty Rhodes. At least rasslin' is closer to real.

Posted by: FishFearMe at May 30, 2008 04:25 PM (8nB5X)

4 Not to threadjack, but could that Japanese woman hiding in the closet have fit through a door?

Posted by: someone at May 30, 2008 04:28 PM (2z2WN)

5 "Lied on"? "Lied on"? 1:46 was as far as I could make it before acute discomfort forced me to abandon the spectacle. "Lied on"?

Posted by: caspera at May 30, 2008 04:28 PM (+64QE)

6 watching how these congregations can be riled up by these rabble rousers you can see how  the two tribes in Rowanda were whipped up into killing 500000
of each other with machetes  up close and personal..

Posted by: pby at May 30, 2008 04:28 PM (CIJlq)

7 "misunderstood" == bat shit crazy

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 30, 2008 04:38 PM (c55NW)

8 Didn't they just find some sort of new tribe in Brazil that's never seen an outsider? I think the Chicago Diocese should send Pfleger there to do some missionary work immediately if not sooner.

Posted by: shibumi at May 30, 2008 09:16 PM (tZB/c)

Perhaps we should send a little more attractive representative of the United States?

I don't need to watch the first video.  I saw Maxine Waters deliver the same speech back in 1991 on CSPAN.

Posted by: funky chicken at May 30, 2008 04:38 PM (I+jPP)

9

For you youngsters who hadn't heard this stuff before, I recommend you check out the October, 1990 edition of Spin Magazine that was guest edited by Spike Lee.  Well, if you want to read an entire magazine full of crap that you can now watch in little videos on You Tube.

MTV generation attention spans ... and get the hell off my lawn!

 

Posted by: funky chicken at May 30, 2008 04:45 PM (I+jPP)

10 Is this yammering tool really a Jesuit? The standards seem to have fallen since I was in high school.

Posted by: Padrino at May 30, 2008 04:46 PM (5dz5F)

11

Well, that tribe would benefit from some community organizing.

I know Olbermann is just putting on a show and laughing on his way to the bank, but Pfleger? Oh yeah, guv'ment money.

In completely unrelated news, check out what's been happening in Motown this week:

Kwame "vetoed" the city council resolution asking him to step down, ignoring the fact that he has um... no veto powers, and:

Requested a 300 million dollar bond issue backed by casino revenue to fund a 200 million dollar public works program... on the same day the Greektown casino filed for chapter 11.

Am I reliving a acid trip?

Posted by: Spartan Fan at May 30, 2008 04:51 PM (7365r)

12 Good lord, it's like every conspiracy freakshow in the world is associated with Obama's campaign.  Maybe that alien in the window is the one who distributed the crack in the first place.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 30, 2008 04:54 PM (VwWW3)

13

What the hell is the matter with nearly half of this country? Any candidate - any candidate - of any party and any color and any gender, who would ever associate with these people, giving support to them, and drawing support from them, is de facto proven to be unqualified to even be a Senator of the United States in 2008, much less its President.  If they claim ignorance, they are a lying fool, and if they claim repentance they are in addition a moral weakling.

The Democrats have hit rock bottom and, showing off their shiny new shovel, they are digging furiously away toward some unfathomable debasement.  Lord help them, and protect us from them.

Posted by: sherlock at May 30, 2008 04:55 PM (Nyx5A)

14

Anyone want to get Ted Stevens on the phone?  The leftards need a clue about the existence and workings of this thing on which we waste so much time.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 30, 2008 04:56 PM (YPLHZ)

15 I saw another video where Pfleger was all like, "Lawdy! Lawdy! Please be helpin' dees here po' Negroes!"

Then he does a shuffle away from the podium. In blackface.

It's actually pretty inspiring.

Posted by: Muledriver at May 30, 2008 04:58 PM (5ykTL)

16 Jeez, someone bring back Al Capone.  The man was a moral standard compared to all these clowns popping up next to Lake Michigan lately.

Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at May 30, 2008 05:09 PM (ZeWmd)

17 Ace,
I know you're angry.
But please, my wife reads this blog and she is a mother.
She says it is the most offensive word to her.

Posted by: yeahright at May 30, 2008 05:10 PM (Tg86A)

18 I will NOT! let you tear down my brother, Louis Farrakhan! Or my brother, Mahmoud Ahma-nutjob! Or my brother, Al Sharpton!

Bunch of racist, white entitled voters! You all probably burned down Fiddy's mansion!

White privilege! And hobos! And Value Right.

Posted by: Rev. Michael Pfleger, Church of Moonbattery at May 30, 2008 05:19 PM (4878o)

19 Pfleger is NOT A JESUIT.

He's a priest of the Archdiocese of Chicago, which is why Cardinal George called him out on his silliness today.

Posted by: Areo at May 30, 2008 05:21 PM (iZ/Nb)

20 No Christ, but Farrakhan.  Wow.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 30, 2008 05:22 PM (eKANB)

21 "She says it is the most offensive word to her." Yeahright, we're deeply sorry, but the third-person neuter personal pronoun is fairly important to making comprehensible English and its use will continue until morale improves. Although we'll guarantee a liberal amount of misuse contractions and possessive forms of this particular word. Thanks.

Posted by: Al at May 30, 2008 05:23 PM (Lk931)

22 Ace,
I know you're angry.
But please, my wife reads this blog and she is a mother.
She says it is the most offensive word to her.

Am I missing something here? What was the word? Cunt? Pooter? Motherfucker? Squeakhole? WHAT?!!

Posted by: GRC at May 30, 2008 05:25 PM (WZTMv)

23 s/e c/e involving c/ Sigh.

Posted by: Al at May 30, 2008 05:25 PM (Lk931)

24 He said the most offensive word was it.

Posted by: Al at May 30, 2008 05:26 PM (Lk931)

25 What a douche.  I've never raped anyone, have no racism to atone for, and am not burdened with any guilt about the state of race relations in American.  So, this dude can pretty much just blow me.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 30, 2008 05:30 PM (WUri5)

26

Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?

Posted by: King Obama II at May 30, 2008 05:34 PM (hn7Rm)

27 Huh.  And people call me crazy.

Posted by: Tammy Fae Bakker at May 30, 2008 05:35 PM (jyo/c)

28 Two things.

1.  How does Pfleger being a priest of the Chicago archdiocese negate him being a Jesuit?  Jesuits are an order of Roman Catholic priests, and Pfleger is a Roman Catholic Priest in Chicago.  What am I not understanding about this?

2.  Pfleger seems pretty clearly an advocate for reparations in this video bits.  Would it now be okay to ask Obama if he, too, thinks reparations are appropriate?  Or would that get in the way of the healing, hope and change?

Posted by: Kensington at May 30, 2008 05:39 PM (P6OL5)

29 Well at least he hasn't molested any altar boys, "as far as we know".

Posted by: roy at May 30, 2008 05:40 PM (MOFAt)

30 The sad thing is that in the old days any reporter worth his salt would look at this cast of characters emerging from the presumptive nominees past and think "pulitzer prize".  Throw in a corrupt governor and mayor and now we have a movie.  I am encouraged that the attention now being paid to Illinois/Chicago politics might begin to change the way things work.  Aw fuck it, never mind.

Posted by: dan in michigan at May 30, 2008 05:42 PM (uSI6F)

31 Would it now be okay to ask Obama if he, too, thinks reparations are appropriate?  Or would that get in the way of the healing, hope and change?

Sorry, it would be a distraction.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 30, 2008 05:45 PM (WUri5)

32

Is it really so difficult to accept that Pfleger would meld with this volatile assembly?  I've always suspected that Gingers have a deep, deep seated hatred 98% of America. 

The angst of being "lied on" just confirms that shit, aight?

Posted by: Fritz at May 30, 2008 05:48 PM (gjLdu)

33 Is it too much to ask for Obama to have even one normal, reasonable, non-radical associate? Even McGovern realized he needed to toss in a few moderate beards to fool the rubes.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 30, 2008 05:49 PM (hn7Rm)

34 Why hasn't this asswipe (sorry Yeahright's mom) been excommunicated? What an embarrassment he is.

Posted by: Nice Deb at May 30, 2008 05:52 PM (7TjSG)

35 So when does the little car with 20 clowns in it show up?  Obviously, that's what we're working towards here.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 30, 2008 05:53 PM (c55NW)

36 What, you didn't see the picture of McCain in a SmartCar?

Posted by: Al at May 30, 2008 05:54 PM (Lk931)

37 Would it now be okay to ask Obama if he, too, thinks reparations are appropriate?  Or would that get in the way of the healing, hope and change?

Hmm... I don't know what to think.  Barack himself said above that it would be a distraction.  On the other hand, it would actually help Michelle's children.

Posted by: pbrown at May 30, 2008 05:56 PM (vxGjP)

38

Would it now be okay to ask Obama if he, too, thinks reparations are appropriate?  

 No it would not be ok... How does talking about reparations help the children?

 

Posted by: M. Obama at May 30, 2008 05:59 PM (ZztBL)

39

If our Catholic Church had a priest like this back when I was a kid, the Pope himself would have performed the excorcism.  Did I see his head turn 360 degrees?  Sheeeesh!

Posted by: Sparky at May 30, 2008 06:00 PM (HOs5Q)

40 That is what makes it so horrific, Obama is not even half the man McGovern is.
Despite being out there on politics McGovern is a hell of a guy.
He used to own a hotel, now senior housing, with a great bar in it here in Connecticut. Had the best St Pat's days there ever. Always had bagpipes, cheap beer and free corn beef and Irish stew. McGovern was often there and was very sociable.
I am sure McGovern has attended thousands of events with characters like Wright and Pfleger but I doubt he would call them friend, spiritual adviser or moral compass.

Posted by: Rocks at May 30, 2008 06:02 PM (7rbe9)

41 McGovern may be one hell of a guy, but his changes to the rules for nomination put the radicals into the driver's seat and wrecked the Democratic Party. Scoop Jackson wouldn't have a prayer in this party - hell, Harry Truman would be tossed out on his ear. It's going to take a hell of a lot of corned beef and Irish stew to make up for the damage George McGovern has inflicted on our country.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 30, 2008 06:13 PM (WXQ4x)

42 I'm really not looking forward to the tribal war these idiots are encouraging. It'll be terrible for the country at large and especially for those that attempt to come after me and mine .Let's hope the race and grievance mongers can limit their violence to Denver.
 I ain't atoning for shit and I'm not paying reparations to any fucking body.
 Cold dead hands, motherfuckers.

 This comment is probably too harsh but I've had it up to here (holds hand over head) with these assholes. I'm not a deranged loner hiding out in the Idaho mountains. I have an 8 yr. old son and a wife that I love very much. One of my beloved nieces is half black. I have a Mexican brother in law. I'm not a hater. Having said that, these fucksticks keep pushing and pushing and sooner or later a lot of Americans just like me are gonna push back. I pray we can settle this at the ballot box.

Posted by: Aubrey at May 30, 2008 06:14 PM (B4e7Q)

43 I think I'll watch 300 to mellow out.  Serenity now, Serenity now.

Posted by: Aubrey at May 30, 2008 06:22 PM (B4e7Q)

44 How does Pfleger being a priest of the Chicago archdiocese negate him being a Jesuit?

Not, so much that, but he went to Mundelein (not Jesuit) and he doesn't have the s.j.  (society of Jesus) after his name

Posted by: GRC at May 30, 2008 06:24 PM (WZTMv)

45 Brown line you forgot the beer...

You are right though, McGovern was atrocious in the political arena.
My point was that it McGovern wasn't always about the politics, just mostly.
EVERYTHING to Obama, from his childhood to his heritage to his church, is related to or about political advantage. There is no man there, just a political creature, reacting and moving to the political currents.McGovern was 15 years past political ambitions when he owned that hotel, it earned him nothing but a good time being nice.

Posted by: Rocks at May 30, 2008 06:24 PM (7rbe9)

46 The whole "gubmint got us all hooked on crack" line baffles me. The government can put the drugs in the slums, they could fly in bales of weed and satchels of cocaine, they could set up a distribution system and keep the supplies ready, in theory. What they can't do is make anyone take the drugs to begin with. Even if it was somehow true, against all reason and evidence, that the US government created crack cocaine and put it in slums, how on earth is that the problem of anyone but slum dwellers who use the stuff? That's just the dumbest version of events imaginable, how untrained in reason do you have to be to buy into this stupidity?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 30, 2008 06:25 PM (7QZfU)

47 Aubrey I hear ya.
Awhile back a local NY news station did a poll on the street asking white people in NYC what they thought of reparations. They purposely used a black reporter to try to influence people I think.
The answer from almost all, especially the women, was "Kiss my fat white ass".
One woman literally said that. The shock on the reporters face was classic.

Posted by: Rocks at May 30, 2008 06:31 PM (7rbe9)

48 Rocks...Good to hear.
 If that was the reaction in NYC you can imagine the response here in flyover yokelville.

Posted by: Aubrey at May 30, 2008 06:35 PM (B4e7Q)

49 One thing Mundelein is famous for being a hot bed of teh ghey in the 1970s when  this guy attended.  Homosexuality was open, younger seminarians were viewed as fresh meat for the older students, and straight seminarians were forced out.  A lot of church reformers blame the Mundelein for the pedo priests.

Posted by: GRC at May 30, 2008 06:36 PM (WZTMv)

50 He must have thought it was white boy day. It ain't white boy day is it?

Posted by: Ostral-B Heretic at May 30, 2008 06:36 PM (9u8Jf)

51

McGovern may be one hell of a guy, but his changes to the rules for nomination put the radicals into the driver's seat and wrecked the Democratic Party.

 It was a reaction to these changes that led to the creation of the superdelegates in 1982. One of the goals was to give party leaders the ability to head off a popular but radical candidate who could harm the party's prospects. We'll see if they fulfill this mission once the convention starts.

Posted by: Maetenloch at May 30, 2008 06:36 PM (oFyMJ)

52 Oh, and here's the motherfucker talking about America needing to "pay the price" for "raping people of color: This is the reason I love our host, not much in the ways of zen communications but he does cut through the crap.

Posted by: Hongqi at May 30, 2008 06:41 PM (+WuMm)

53

What the hell is the matter with nearly half of this country? Any candidate - any candidate - of any party and any color and any gender, who would ever associate with these people, giving support to them, and drawing support from them, is de facto proven to be unqualified to even be a Senator of the United States in 2008, much less its President.  If they claim ignorance, they are a lying fool, and if they claim repentance they are in addition a moral weakling.

The Democrats have hit rock bottom and, showing off their shiny new shovel, they are digging furiously away toward some unfathomable debasement.  Lord help them, and protect us from them.

Posted by: sherlock at May 30, 2008 09:55 PM (Nyx5A)

Amen sherlock.

Posted by: funky chicken at May 30, 2008 06:45 PM (I+jPP)

54 Growing up in the streets ain 't no joke.
There's crazy crime...
drugs...
and mad violence.
Yeah, the streets is tough.
But there ain 't no streets tougher
than mine. The streets of...

Malibu.

It's hardcore up in the 'Bu, y'all.

Posted by: Jamie Kennedy at May 30, 2008 06:45 PM (pUADR)

55 Hmmm.

"Oh, and here's the motherfucker talking about America needing to "pay the price" for "raping people of color." This is from the same "sermon" where he cried about "white entitlement.""

Boy you white people just never seem to get enough.

Why the hell you white people ever invented Viagra I have no idea.  It's not like you guys need the stuff.

Posted by: memomachine at May 30, 2008 07:04 PM (XlmYx)

56

this priest picks up where the blackface minstral show leaves off

 

start at 1:40 minutes

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UfiNT6AKG0s&feature=related

Posted by: PLOOME at May 30, 2008 07:10 PM (JtPFS)

57 Yeahright, we're deeply sorry, but the third-person neuter personal pronoun is fairly important to making comprehensible English and its use will continue until morale improves. Although we'll guarantee a liberal amount of misuse contractions and possessive forms of this particular word. Thanks.


You  clever arsehole.
Fatherfucker  fatherfucker fatherfucker fatherfucker fatherfucker

C'mon guys get with "it". This is a classy blog so lets do more of the smartass shuffle.
Dumb is as dumb does, and offending loyal readers is dumb.

Posted by: yeahright at May 30, 2008 07:42 PM (uaeuY)

58 Now way this guy is a Jesuit! He'd be in one of those Vatican dungeons I saw in Jack Chick's comics.

Posted by: TBinSTL at May 30, 2008 07:44 PM (2vLkB)

59 HEY THE LATEST MESSAGE FROM THE MOLEMEN IS NEVER EVER VOTE FOR A DOOFUS

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at May 30, 2008 07:45 PM (QonKu)

60 This is the same idiot priest (I'm Catholic, so don't edit me for using the broad brush) that used his church as a sanctuary for the illegal aliens that were making news either last year or the year before. Until they were dumb enough to try to go to L.A. and then got arrested on national television.

He is a clown. 

Everyone from Chicago knows this guy.  He makes a point of putting himself ahead of the message of his faith at every opportunity.   He was empowered by taking advantage of a diocese that was known for leniency and then pushed the limits when the last Cardinal was suffering through a long illness.

He's an embarrassment.  Ultimately, he will be defrocked. 

Not surprising that he'd be in Barack's list of friends.

Posted by: mesablue at May 30, 2008 08:05 PM (5yNaE)

61 Also want to back up the fact that Pfleger was NEVER a Jesuit.

Not. Even. Close.

Interesting:

In 1981, Pfleger adopted an eight-year-old son, Lamar, who is now working for Continental Airlines. In 1992, he adopted another son, Beronti, who currently attends the University of Central Florida. In 1997, Pfleger became the foster father to Jarvis Franklin, who was killed by stray gunfire on May 30, 1998.[3]

He's  done some good work in Chicago.  The notoriety he gained from that seems to have gone to his head.

Sad.

Posted by: mesablue at May 30, 2008 08:18 PM (5yNaE)

62

Posted by: King Obama II at May 30, 2008 10:34 PM (hn7Rm)

That one made me LOL.

Posted by: MlR at May 30, 2008 08:34 PM (N7h3D)

63

40 That is what makes it so horrific, Obama is not even half the man McGovern is.
Despite being out there on politics McGovern is a hell of a guy.

A war-hero too, I believe. *Insert McCain joke*

 

 

Posted by: MlR at May 30, 2008 08:36 PM (N7h3D)

64 You would think that the constant idocy coming from Obama's "friends" would give even the most committed Kool-aid drinker pause. But....an anecdote.

I work with an Obama true believer. I asked her about this latest mess, and the cumulative effect it should be having on his candidacy. She said, paraphrasing, that:

A) If you listen to the messsage behind the bombast, none of these people (Wright, Pfleger, Ayers, and of course, Obama himself) are pretty much right

B) Obama himself is not saying this stuff, so you can't use it against him

and the kicker

C) McCain is part of the Bush/neocon cabal, his association makes him a war criminal, and this association is much worse than any speech made by a crazy preacher.

In other words, "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"

I hope and pray that the population of people who think like that is shrinking.....

Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 30, 2008 09:20 PM (ZOn7I)

65 In point A, "none" should be "all".


Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 30, 2008 09:21 PM (ZOn7I)

66 - Obama is not even half the man McGovern is.-- Sad is? Obama brings an army of "half a men," Get used to it, Farakkkkan "ties" all over the place.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at May 30, 2008 09:23 PM (458df)

67 One would hope.

But, unless I wasn't paying enough attention twenty years ago, the madness is spreading.

Either that, or I have to find a new level of jaded.

Posted by: mesablue at May 30, 2008 09:23 PM (5yNaE)

68 Not surprising -- organizers of Obama's Portland visit put porta-potties on top of a memorial for fallen police officers.

Posted by: mesablue at May 30, 2008 09:35 PM (5yNaE)

69 Pfleger, who has called Saul Alinsky his role model, was counseling Obama just last month after Wright's Whirlwind Wackadoodle Tour.

http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/obama.jeremiah.wright.2.711811.html

Posted by: Barker at May 30, 2008 09:55 PM (zvPM6)

70 It's decided then?  Settled?  The debate is over?  Hardcore racism is acceptable for leftist causes.  Mainstream.

Posted by: Barack Puppy-Love Obama at May 30, 2008 10:58 PM (PDeVA)

71 That was actually me.  Barack P.L. Obama just took off.  He asked me for change! for a cab.

Posted by: Z Ryan at May 30, 2008 11:00 PM (PDeVA)

72 I hope  so that the old days any reporter worth his salt would look at this cast of characters emerging from the presumptive nominees past and think "pulitzer prize".  Throw in a corrupt governor.his faith at every opportunity.   He was empowered by taking advantage of a diocese that was known for leniency and then pushed the limits when the last Cardinal was suffering.

Posted by: akademiker private krankenversicherung at May 30, 2008 11:11 PM (Iphj5)

73 IS this priest a Jesuit?  I don't think he is...I think he's your basic diocesan priest.

Posted by: Thea-Logical at May 31, 2008 01:30 AM (N0hv7)

74 It's not actually all that unlikely for a Jesuit to morph into a holy-rollin' America basher. The J's were always at the absolute bug-fuck insane outside edge of a thoroughly bug-fuck insane religion. Those guys can seriously mess with your head. My father had what would now be known as post-traumatic fucked-in-the-head disorder, and he went to a Jesuit school - the same school, incidentally, that Alfred Hitchcock spent his formative years, and we all know how loopy that dude was. The liberation theology movement (i.e. Jesus Guevara) arose from the Jesuits. I guess it's an exemplar of Chesterton's dictum that when people cease to believe in something they will believe in anything rather than nothing: when you cease to believe in something as completely fucking retarded as there's a big boogieman in the sky and that your shaman can do some mystic passes and turn a bit of bread into the boogieman's kid's leg, you're easy meat for the hucksters who say that actually if we all, like, seize the means of production from the people who know they work we'll all wake up in the morning and start shitting Tiffany cuff-links.

The sad failure of liberation theology to deliver anything other than poverty, misery and death should have been ample warning for America's Most Magical Negro to utterly and pre-emptively repudiate anything that comes out of that sewer he calls a church. Yeah, should have been. Are both those sticky-out ears made of tin?

Posted by: David Gillies at May 31, 2008 01:37 AM (9RPWx)

75 1.  How does Pfleger being a priest of the Chicago archdiocese negate him being a Jesuit?  Jesuits are an order of Roman Catholic priests, and Pfleger is a Roman Catholic Priest in Chicago.  What am I not understanding about this?

Diocesan priests answer to the bishop.  Jesuits generally answer to their Jesuit superiors.

All Roman Catholic priest are not Jesuits.  Jesuits belong to an ORDER, the Society of Jesus, founded by Ignatius of Loyola.  Dominicans belong to an ORDER founded by St. Dominic.  Benedictines and Franciscans belong to ORDERS established by St. Benedict and St. Francis of Assisi, respectively.

A diocesan priest is not attached to an order, and generally does not make the third vow, of poverty, either.  He vows only chastity and obedience to the bishop but may own property.  Diocesan priests, in fact can be (but almost never are) wealthy men, able to accept inheritances, etc.

Posted by: Thea-Logical at May 31, 2008 01:39 AM (N0hv7)

76 organizers of Obama's Portland visit put porta-potties on top of a memorial for fallen police officers.

Not surprising at all.  If there's any after event pics anywhere, I'm betting the place was chock full of litter too.  The left has very little respect.

I went to a gun right rally on the lawn of the state house in Tallahassee years ago.  There was maybe five thousand people there according to the state trooper's estimates.  The amount of time needed to clean up after the event broke up?  Zero minutes.  There wasn't a single scrap of trash on the ground.  Everything had found its way into the supplied garbage cans, and not a single flower in the flower beds had been trampled.  Everything was left as it had been found.

One of the state troopers I talked with said it was the neatest and most well behaved demonstration he'd ever seen in his life.  That the flowers weren't touched at all amazed him.  After demonstrations, they routinely expected to have to replace all the flower beds.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 31, 2008 02:21 AM (c55NW)

77 "A war-hero too, I believe."

MlR, you're right. McGovern piloted a B-24 in Europe during WWII. Which means that he was brave beyond all human comprehension. I won't even attempt to praise him, because praise of military service from a non-veteran like myself is meaningless. Let's just say that I deeply admire the young McGovern.

If George McGovern were to sit down with a gaggle of us morons, I'm sure we'd have a great time. It's just a damned shame - for himself and for our country - that he ever went into politics.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 31, 2008 02:21 AM (WXQ4x)

78

" He makes a point of putting himself ahead of the message of his faith at every opportunity. "

And he's at Barry's church, and I am guessing that this isn't the first time he's been there.

But Barry never was there, ever, when this stuff was yelled and screeched by faggy douchebags that he apologizes that if it offends people, to hear any of it, Barry was never there, ever.

Never. Ever. In fact, Barry went to St. Pat's, really, really did. he was a member of this church, but attended mass elsewhere, with more white people, and less fruits screaming at the altar.

So that's the story now, he's sticking to it.

Spartan Fan, yes, this is a bad trip. It will get worse.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at May 31, 2008 03:04 AM (vFeQi)

79 It was a reaction to these changes that led to the creation of the superdelegates in 1982. One of the goals was to give party leaders the ability to head off a popular but radical candidate who could harm the party's prospects. We'll see if they fulfill this mission once the convention starts.

Doesn't look like it. The purpose of the Convention is to select the candidates, but instead it has morphed into an infomercial, and everyone freaks if everything isn't absolutely decided before the Convention. The superdelegates were intended to exercise adult supervision over a runaway party, just as you say, but now we're hearing that it would be a betrayal if they didn't vote in accordance with the popular vote totals. The Democrats have a rational system but they prefer to be ruled by their emotions.

Posted by: lmg at May 31, 2008 03:12 AM (hEMOH)

80 FYI -- Pfleger is a diocesan priest, not a Jesuit.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at May 31, 2008 03:41 AM (YtsIz)

81

Gillies:

The J's were always at the absolute bug-fuck insane outside edge of a thoroughly bug-fuck insane religion.

Bug-fuck off.

Did you hink you could slip a little of your general Catholic bashing nonsense into the well-deserved condemnation of Pfleger--a specific and within the context of Catholicism uniquely deranged individual priest?

Bug-fucker.

Posted by: Cowboy at May 31, 2008 03:52 AM (vASnq)

82 Pfleger, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, 57 states, live fallen heroes, Buchenwald not Auschwitz ... distractions!

Listen, we've got to focus on what's important, and we all know those are HopeTM and ChangeTM. Remember, we're the change we've been waiting for.

Now repeat after me: Yes We Can ... Yes We Can ...

Posted by: BHO at May 31, 2008 04:17 AM (E0eIc)

83 Why this fixation about whether he is a Jesuit or not?

Once again, if he was a Jesuit he would have graduated from a Jesuit seminary. He did not. If he was a Jesuit he would have the initials S.J. after his name. He does not.

Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 04:30 AM (WZTMv)

84 Word to your mommas. Pfleger is the coolest.  When he talk like that I get shivved up my spine.  OUT!  

Posted by: Vanilla Ice at May 31, 2008 04:36 AM (YsJL/)

85

Why this fixation about whether he is a Jesuit or not?

Well, it's been decades since I was in a church, but as I recall the Jesuits are renowned for their scholarship and critical thinking.  That's what would make it kind of a surprise if the guy was actually a Jesuit.  He just doesn't appear logical enough to have made it through Jesuit education.

Jesuits and Diocesan priests are really night and day.

Posted by: Eric at May 31, 2008 05:11 AM (xlvsF)

86 This is sad -- a Roman Catholic priest welcoming a known anti-Semite and race baiter...how is this man still a priest? Then they wonder why the 'black' church is in trouble in so many ways...tragic.

Posted by: Richard Romano at May 31, 2008 05:16 AM (GpwqX)

87

It is laughable that Gillies has the nerve to use G. K. Chesterton (one of the Catholic Faith's greatest thinkers) to bash the church.

 

Also, Ace? There are regularly anti-Catholic and anti-Christian comments on this blog with nary a ban-hammer in sight. I am perfectly fine with that as I am a big boy and no bigot will shake me from my beliefs but I think it may point up a problem in your sensitivity policy.

Posted by: captkidney at May 31, 2008 05:24 AM (rK6wZ)

88
Some of you are really behind the curve re Jesuits. The Jesuits veered off to the left a long time ago and never came back. They are no longer the tough but scholarly priests they were once known to be. They are hard-core leftists.

If you want good, old-fashioned, tough-minded Catholicism in a lay organization, look into Opus Dei. I've inquired about joining it may put in my application some time this year.

Re mesablue's comment: Ultimately, he will be defrocked.

I wish you were right. But I don't think so. The Chicago Archdiocese doesn't have the balls to defrock him. It won't even rotate him to another church.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 31, 2008 05:27 AM (kaWnR)

89

Pfleger is almost there. 

Posted by: Ghost of Al Jolson at May 31, 2008 05:27 AM (YsJL/)

90 Also, Ace? There are regularly anti-Catholic and anti-Christian comments on this blog with nary a ban-hammer in sight.

Uh, just be happy this isn't the HotAir comments where Catholic, Morman, and Christianity bashing is a sport. 

Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 05:37 AM (WZTMv)

91

GRC, these are the only comments I follow. Most comments sections are not filled with the funny, bright people that are nearly always lurking here

 

 

Although, I do like to pick fights with jihad-joes on youtube. ;o)

Posted by: captkidney at May 31, 2008 05:45 AM (rK6wZ)

92 GRC, these are the only comments I follow. Most comments sections are not filled with the funny, bright people that are nearly always lurking here

Anytime I read HotAir comments I regret it. Besides the religion bashing (and I'm an atheist and it still offends me),  they act like they have sticks up their butts. I understand that Malkin wants to keep in clean, but some of those people are just plain nuts.

Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 05:51 AM (WZTMv)

93 Steve (aka Ed Snate) hits the nail on the head. The Jesuits have become, to paraphrase someone else, "the absolute bug-fuck insane outside edge" of an otherwise respectable religion. Those guys can seriously mess with your head. I too went through the Jesuit Education Experience, and I am amazed I still have most of my marbles.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 31, 2008 05:55 AM (ujg0T)

94 There is a reason why Pfleger isn't defrocked, and it's simple:  he's not all that far off the reservation.  There are a large number of people in the Catholic clergy who decided a long-time ago that Jesus was a leftist, and therefore any leftist position, no matter how far out, should be embraced.

Jesus' positions, then, would be almost indistinguishable from the Democrat platform, or the editorial pages of Mother Jones.

Honest to God, sometimes I just cringe at Catholic Mass when I hear the latest calls for universal healthcare or amnesty.  One of these days, they'll decide that abortion's not so bad, either, I guess...

And yeah, I'm Catholic, and it breaks my heart to see the lunatics taking over the asylum.  Anybody ever read that jackass Greeley?   He makes Koz seem statesmenlike.

Posted by: Kensington at May 31, 2008 06:00 AM (P6OL5)

95

You know what all of these pastors remind me of?  WWF wrestlers.  They each have a gimmick to get people to watch them;  Pfleger pretends to be black, Wright pretends to be insane, Obama pretends to be ignorant.

There comes a point though where they lose track of who they really are and they become the character.  The rewards are just too great to risk being caught out of character. 

Just think, our next president will have been mentored by the spiritual equivalent of Hulk Hogan.

Posted by: asl at May 31, 2008 06:18 AM (r11nM)

96
Yes, Greeley is a left tard. He is also a Quigley/Mundelein graduate, same as Pfeger. However, at least Greeley has publicly complained about  the Church's enabling the pedo scandals by actively protecting homosexual priests. By homosexual priests, I mean those who acted like the seminary was a bathhouse and drove straight seminarians out. The Church ended up with a very gay hierarchy which didn't think porking kids was all that big of a deal. 

Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 06:23 AM (WZTMv)

97 Damn, I sure hates it when I get lied on.

Posted by: joan at May 31, 2008 07:16 AM (m4i9i)

98
Kensington and GRC also nail it. I quit going to mass at my local parish church because I couldn't take the leftist propaganda/indoctrination coming from the pulpit.

I disagree slightly with GRC concerning Greeley. I have a far dimmer view of the good father. I find him to be an arrogrant, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing jerk. Worse, he's a doctrinaire leftist.

But I do agree with GRC concerning the priesthood's homosexual problem. The perverts in the priesthood were not so much pedophiles as they were predatory homosexual adult men who preyed upon adolescent boys (not children).
For various reasons the priesthood developed a subculture of predatory homosexuals who became quite powerful in their own right and who for a long time committed their vile acts with impunity. In doing so they did incalculable damage to the Church. If I were Satan I couldn't think of a better way of attacking and harming my chief enemy.

Elsewhere, recently, I said that I became a "cafeteria Catholic" because of what the Church has become. I'd like to clarify that statement. I'm a cafeteria Catholic in the sense that I choose orthodoxy over many of the liberal/left practices that are now prevalent in the Church. I reject some (but not all) of the Vatican II changes: or, more precisely, I reject they way they have been interpreted and implemented. And I reject the leftist/liberal politicization of the mass which not seems dangerously close to becoming normalized and institutionalized.

Also, I don't regard masturbation as a sin. So sue me.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 31, 2008 08:06 AM (kaWnR)

99 Greeley's also the guy who coined the term, "lavender Mafia", referring to the homosexual underground faction within the leadership of the Catholic church.

Posted by: Nice Deb at May 31, 2008 08:16 AM (7TjSG)

100 Hi Steve.

Posted by: Nice Deb at May 31, 2008 08:17 AM (7TjSG)

101 I disagree slightly with GRC concerning Greeley.

I never defended Greeley.  As far as I'm concerned, he's no different than Pfeugler. I only commented that he was outspoken about the priest scandals and openly criticized the seminaries for creating and enabling the problem.

Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 08:18 AM (WZTMv)

102
There are regularly anti-Catholic and anti-Christian comments on this blog with nary a ban-hammer in sight.

Aw, heck, let the heathens rage. They're the ones going to hell, not us. (Thanks to Pudie for the line).

Nice Deb: Hi right back at you!

GRC: No worries.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 31, 2008 08:34 AM (kaWnR)

103 It's pretty clear that this guy's schtick is simply a ploy to turn on gay black-power dudes.   He's trollin' for black cock.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at May 31, 2008 09:13 AM (p8IOE)

104 >> Also, I don't regard masturbation as a sin. So sue me.

Move to Denmark you heathen.

Posted by: Herr Blcher at May 31, 2008 09:17 AM (1hokU)

105

He's been at a mostly to all Black congregation for over thirty years.  It's not so much that he's putting on a "homeboy accent" a la the Goracle, that's how he preaches.

That having been said, what he preaches is appalling and very, very wrong. 

 

A sabbatical to, say, the Diocese of Antarctica would be correctional, methinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Stephen at May 31, 2008 09:23 AM (VFP4M)

106 >> Anytime I read HotAir comments I regret it.

Yeah, yeah, I've bitched about HotAir before... But after reading Ed Morrisey's entry from yesterday--which, to me, amounted to little more than "the Republican Party would be pretty cool if it weren't for those stoopit xtians"--and the comments that ensued, I'm fucking done reading HotAir.

Posted by: Herr Blcher at May 31, 2008 09:26 AM (1hokU)

107 \Holy crap.  Of all the alternate personalities this priest could have taken up, he chose to be an angry black woman.  Shake that finger, girl fren'.

Posted by: Pigilito at May 31, 2008 10:41 AM (nhBBi)

108 Petition drive to defrock Pfreaky Pfleger right here.

Posted by: Nice Deb at May 31, 2008 03:23 PM (7TjSG)

109 Rev. Pfleger: 'They want to kill me...it's been ugly'
It was only a matter of time till this idiot played the victim.

"It's a very difficult situation," he said. "I've received thousands of hate threats."

Let's see, I'm a RC priest who "performs" an ugly, racist and  mocking screed from a pulpit no less and now people hate me....who'd a thunk it??????


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