May 31, 2008
— DrewM Update: Confirmed by Obama spokesman.
Breaking on CNN from Obama shill Roland Martin.
Remember, "I could no more distance myself from Pastor Wright than I could from my white grandmother"?
I guess grandma is on notice.
Below the fold is the Pfleger spiel on Hillary that Obama denounced. Will he be asked if he felt out of place among people who laughed and cheered something he denounced? How could he spend 20 years worshiping in an environment like that?
Related [ace]: To let you in on a little secret, I've been a member of the Illinois Nazis for twenty years.
But I now am surprised and disappointed to find them saying that "the Jews are using the blacks as muscle to move in on you, and you are left defenseless."
I just didn't know Illinois Nazis said this sort of thing. They certainly didn't say anything so controversial at all the Hitler Rallies and Cross Burnings I attended. You also have to understand the "context" in which these sorts of things get said, and also note the various grievances Nazis might have against the US government. Like, you know, they're still pretty pissed about that whole Dresden thing. And driving Hitler to suicide in his bunker. And various other anti-Reich activities.
Honestly, if you're not an Illinois Nazi, you really are in no position to judge what might be said inside the Aryan Church.
At any rate, as I now am surprised and disappointed to find my political viability as a blogger damaged by my utterly-innocent association with the Illinois Nazis, I am "distancing myself" from them at this late date.
I do not expect to be asked any questions about my lifelong association with them from this point forward. Some people are allowed to associate with hardcore racist extremists for all their adult lives and then simply disown their entire past history with a meaningless politically-expedient gesture, and I insist I am among the select few permitted this license.
Furthermore, this entire controversy is a "distraction" intended to draw attention away from my message and the issues that really matter.
She knew the risks.
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 31, 2008 12:52 PM (RKUMH)
it's too little too late - IF it's true.
he'd have to also divorce her and disown reszko, khalidi, ayers, acorn, et al AND compile a reasonable legislative record of success over a few terms before he's off the truly hook and trustable.
Posted by: reliapundit at May 31, 2008 12:55 PM (3HN0a)
Posted by: hutch1200 at May 31, 2008 12:56 PM (ilpNx)
Seems like he's trying to put the whole place behind him while confirming the problem in the first place.
Posted by: stinky esposito at May 31, 2008 12:56 PM (PZXHv)
Posted by: gdonovan at May 31, 2008 12:56 PM (hyyvS)
Posted by: Mark at May 31, 2008 12:59 PM (SMTej)
Grab onto something solid, a mighty spin is bearing down.
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 12:59 PM (WWkFI)
Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 01:01 PM (WZTMv)
Posted by: Chas at May 31, 2008 01:04 PM (fXTE+)
Posted by: SarahW at May 31, 2008 01:05 PM (7sl9X)
Posted by: armystopper at May 31, 2008 01:05 PM (XoYY8)
Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 01:07 PM (WZTMv)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at May 31, 2008 01:07 PM (rf5CF)
so few tires ,so many tools............
Posted by: christmasghost at May 31, 2008 01:08 PM (kIX1b)
Posted by: rinseandspit at May 31, 2008 01:09 PM (S4WzI)
Posted by: reliapundit at May 31, 2008 05:55 PM (3HN0a)
I surely hope you're right. The Pfleger ads are still fair game as it can still be cast as an earmark issue. And it will be enough of a reminer about Obama's 20 year church, without really having to talk about his 20 year church (because that's not fair because he dropped his membership, blah blah).
Maybe he can get Ayers and Dohrn to move, or to decide to take extended sabbaticals in New Guinea or something.
And Rezko can always have an accident in prison.
Posted by: funky chicken at May 31, 2008 01:09 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: Shtetl G at May 31, 2008 01:10 PM (43btN)
Posted by: Bama O. Barry at May 31, 2008 01:12 PM (DbybK)
rinseandspit at May 31, 2008 06:09 PM (S4WzI)
I'm grateful he and his lovely wife aren't as smart as Oprah. She left years ago even though I would guess she didn't personally object to the sermons either. She did understand what association with that kind of trash could do to her career, IMHO, and bailed for that reason.
Posted by: funky chicken at May 31, 2008 01:12 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: Bitter Clinging Pennsylvanian at May 31, 2008 01:12 PM (b80gB)
Posted by: Gabriel at May 31, 2008 01:13 PM (1Ug6U)
Posted by: BTM at May 31, 2008 01:14 PM (v0dke)
Posted by: Professor Challenger at May 31, 2008 01:14 PM (rf5CF)
Posted by: Mike Z. at May 31, 2008 01:16 PM (GLMrI)
Yeah, I'm totally sold on this "putting it behind us" shit.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 31, 2008 01:16 PM (yKHMC)
Wait. "Resign His Membership"?
Don't you just sort of, you know, start attending a different church for whatever reasons and simply join and/or transfer to the new church?
Who the hell announces a "resignation" from a church?
Posted by: BumperStickerist at May 31, 2008 01:16 PM (UeP9e)
Because the big story tomorrow will be the RBC decisions on Florida and Michigan.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 31, 2008 01:17 PM (hlYel)
In case that one doesn't work: http://monroeanderson.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/05/wright-out-or-w.html
Posted by: vilmar at May 31, 2008 01:18 PM (37Vn4)
"Hmm, this one says I need to bring a rug. That sounds interesting."
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 01:18 PM (WWkFI)
Posted by: Scott McClellan at May 31, 2008 01:18 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: Professor Challenger at May 31, 2008 01:19 PM (rf5CF)
I guess with some churches it puts them on notice that you will not give them money. Not that the Obamas were ever big in the charity department. They gave about $24k last year but considering what they raked in that's pretty chitnzy.
Posted by: GRC at May 31, 2008 01:22 PM (WZTMv)
Posted by: Mike at May 31, 2008 01:22 PM (AJx67)
Posted by: rinseandspit at May 31, 2008 01:22 PM (S4WzI)
It will be old and dead by Monday.
The press did a lot of this bullshit with Bill Clinton. I don't know if anybody remembers. It was kind of pre-new media back then. But between 60 Minutes, the other networks, and the newspapers, they pretty much coronated Clinton before the election even happened.
Posted by: Bama O. Barry at May 31, 2008 01:24 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: TMF at May 31, 2008 01:24 PM (/YM8H)
Talk to me man.
Posted by: arugula at May 31, 2008 01:24 PM (/FUhT)
What could possibly be next?
Posted by: mesablue at May 31, 2008 01:27 PM (5yNaE)
If he stays in his church, a) the closet-racist and b) bad judgment while insulting voter intelligence conclusion sticks.
If he abandons his church, the political expediency destroys a) hope-change meme and b) bad judgment while insulting voter intelligence conclusion sticks.
Obama's savior? The Democrats still vote and shill for him. The MSM still votes and shills for him. (But I repeat myself.) The undecideds remain disinterested enough until around election day at which point they'll hear the moral equivalence that Wright-Pfleger-Meeks-Ayers-Rezko-etc. : Obama :: Hagee : McCain.
Cardboard Cutout '08
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2008 01:32 PM (Uy68a)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 31, 2008 01:33 PM (c55NW)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2008 01:34 PM (7QZfU)
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at May 31, 2008 01:34 PM (1cbR0)
Posted by: mesablue
He divorces Michelle and marries Chelsea.
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 01:34 PM (WWkFI)
Bring on Bill Ayers!
Posted by: JBean at May 31, 2008 01:35 PM (kvS6g)
Posted by: urthshu at May 31, 2008 01:35 PM (LYTPf)
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at May 31, 2008 01:36 PM (1cbR0)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2008 01:37 PM (7QZfU)
Posted by: someone at May 31, 2008 01:37 PM (2z2WN)
If the disinterested moderates make that analogy, then they haven't been paying attention. McCain never claimed any kind of "spiritual mentor" relationship with bonkers Hagee. He never wrote him up in a book. And he never held a press conference to say that there was no way he could abandon Hagee.
So, the analogy is a bust. It's not even comparable. Let's hope most rational people see past that smokescreen, which will become popular soon enough when Obama's campaign starts tanking.
Posted by: Areo at May 31, 2008 01:39 PM (iZ/Nb)
(1) If he loses this time, he'll be seen as a loser and won't be picked again.
(2) What, he's going to stand aside for Hillary? Hahahahaha.
(3) Republicans like the old guy who everyone knows sucks. Dems like the flavor of the month. Some new flavor of the month will appear in '12.
Obama has one shot at the Presidency. Unfortunately for him, it's this one.
Posted by: someone at May 31, 2008 01:40 PM (2z2WN)
Abandons his mentors.
Abandons his religion
Poor Barry clearly suffers from electile dysfunction.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 31, 2008 01:41 PM (l3IrE)
Mike Z's comment about "judgement you can trust" is spot on.
Either he's an idiot , a corrupt hack from Chicago, a subversive, or a combination of these- either way he is a total disaster for this country. Carter actually mouthed enough platitudes to make you think he would at least be mediocre in 1976. No issues about that with BO.
We know what we're getting if this sack o' crap gets dragged across the finish line by idiots and the MSM.
Posted by: jjshaka at May 31, 2008 01:43 PM (QBkzq)
Time to go White. See you in November my brothers.
Remember it's all BS to calm the white man!
Hope and Change!!!!
Posted by: Barak Obama at May 31, 2008 01:43 PM (7rbe9)
He's just admitted that this church is repugnant enough to quit on, but he stayed for 20 years.
Obama didn't know? That's Obama's 'I didn't inhale' lie, and no one believes that any more than they believed Clintons-- they may have voted for Clinton, but no one bought that nonsense. And no one is really going to believe his 'racial healing' shit any more, either.
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 31, 2008 01:43 PM (cFFk/)
Yeah, I'm totally sold on this "putting it behind us" shit.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 31, 2008 06:16 PM (yKHMC)
I agree with the comment, but I'm also trying to play with the italics tag a bit.
Posted by: Scott McClellan at May 31, 2008 01:47 PM (I+jPP)
This resignation from wright's church will make everything new again. You people are just hacks and also racist whore mongers. It'd be mighty white of you if you would just embrace the hope and change.
I'm a real conservative, I swear.
Posted by: Aubrey at May 31, 2008 01:47 PM (B4e7Q)
Just proves to me that Barry is following his handler's advice right now - and he's treading water.
Thats "why now". Its also why his stands on everything from the war to the economy are whirling around like weathervanes. And why he keeps saying everything is a 'distraction' - he needs some air, man.
Posted by: urthshu at May 31, 2008 01:48 PM (LYTPf)
Anyway, doesn't this decision make his "speech of the century" look pretty stupid, and completely dishonest?
What a perfect summation of the whole Obama persona: pretty stupid and completely dishonest. Hopefully the American people won't choose to elect the guy POTUS.
Posted by: Scott McClellan at May 31, 2008 01:49 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at May 31, 2008 01:50 PM (KPoxd)
Posted by: Professor Challenger at May 31, 2008 01:50 PM (rf5CF)
Posted by: funky chicken at May 31, 2008 01:51 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: Chris Matthews leg at May 31, 2008 01:51 PM (7rbe9)
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 01:54 PM (WWkFI)
The spin this will generate will be faster than the speed of the rotation of the earth. Therefore, time travel is possible. None of this, in fact, will have actually happened.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 31, 2008 01:55 PM (V7AOU)
Posted by: its over hillary at May 31, 2008 01:56 PM (q7IDR)
Posted by: Aubrey at May 31, 2008 01:57 PM (B4e7Q)
Posted by: urthshu at May 31, 2008 01:57 PM (LYTPf)
Posted by: Hank Rearden at May 31, 2008 02:02 PM (MNtTt)
Posted by: someone at May 31, 2008 02:03 PM (2z2WN)
Ladies and Gentlemen.
We have a winner!
Posted by: Aye Chihuahua at May 31, 2008 02:04 PM (5rSYM)
I can't believe I am actually looking forward to watching the news on a Saturday night.
Best Democratic primary evah!
Posted by: Rocks at May 31, 2008 02:06 PM (7rbe9)
I think the church should resign him! Excommunicate semi-whitey!
It frustrates me that people will say this is a made up issue by the RightTM, without hearing what is being said, it's a matter of judgment. The ramifications of a Prez's poor judgment are HUGE! SCOTUS appointments, Cabinet positions, whom he speaks with in the foreign community...
BO has shown a huge lack of judgment, and MSM will not call him on it, and the people who do are seen as shrillish hacks, that are tools of The Man...and we all know The Man is really Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity once they work their Voltron magic.
Posted by: sweet dancing moses at May 31, 2008 02:06 PM (gcFx3)
When I accepted Ace's invitation to co-blog here I did not know that this website endorsed hobo hunting, consumption of copious amounts of Valu-Rite Vodka and Scandi hating.
Just because I read this website everyday and commented here frequently, I don't see how it was possible to know these things and hope that my good made up name is not sullied by any association with these positions.
Posted by: DrewM. at May 31, 2008 02:08 PM (hlYel)
Posted by: Professor Challenger at May 31, 2008 02:10 PM (rf5CF)
An analogy: Some talking head show presents some issue. There's the vast majority point of view (POV-M) that POV-M is correct. The overwhelming minority POV (POV-m) is a relative blip on the radar. Due to show limitations on time or producer/editor bias designed in to the debate, the discussion panel includes one member to support POV-M and one member to support POV-m. The perception now is not that the majority POV-M dominates, but that each POV is equally valid, that there's equal acceptance and truth to both POV-M and POV-m because of the structure of the debate. It's sort of a cloak of "fairness" that really conceals the truth.
Now repeat that scenario on multiple fronts. The MSM exhibits this groupthink/stylethink regularly. They are masters at delivering messages. Sometimes they get clumsy and the mask falls, but they remain the best in the world at shaping opinion due to a) training, b) experience, c) ideology, and d) monopoly.
I used an extreme example to illustrate, but don't underestimate the ability of those who would still be aware of the original analogy (despite not following every development) to be persuaded that the equivalence is valid. What proportion can be persuaded? I don't know, but these federal elections are always close at the ballot box (perhaps less so at the electoral college level), so a percent here or there can and will make a difference. Bush's unpopularity (in spite of a Democrat-controlled Congress w/ even less popularity) and McCain's milquetoast remain in the moderates' minds. Bush/the GOP's unpopularity probably will be enough to trump even the thoughts of those who would find Obama's POV (as spun by the MSM) unfair. Enough, however, will still find the MSM drumbeat compelling.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2008 02:11 PM (Uy68a)
When it comes to Obama, Drudge is more of an 'un-zip.'
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 31, 2008 02:11 PM (cFFk/)
I'm absolutely certain of one thing: A new South Dakota record (at least) will be set tonight for the number of times the word "distraction" is used in a political speech.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 31, 2008 02:15 PM (V7AOU)
Obama will speak to this decision later today. My bet is he will attempt to do the same thing he did with Reverend Wright and make it about how the Church has changed recently.
If that is the case then Obama needs to explain how he can change his mind about his church of 20 years when facts on the ground change but is unwilling reevaluate or even visit Iraq or General Petraeus to see how the facts on the ground there have changed!
Posted by: LifeTrek at May 31, 2008 02:17 PM (tJTIW)
Posted by: eman at May 31, 2008 02:18 PM (WWkFI)
Now Barry will magically become the Great White Hope!
Posted by: RickZ at May 31, 2008 02:21 PM (QUOWj)
Posted by: Professor Challenger at May 31, 2008 02:22 PM (rf5CF)
Chris Matthews is thrilled.
Andrew Sullivan is due to have an orgasm shortly.
Posted by: Brit Hume at May 31, 2008 02:22 PM (7rbe9)
He ain't white.
Posted by: joe at May 31, 2008 02:35 PM (YcIuv)
He's already on record, defending Trinity United and how wonderful it is, just a few months ago.
Better believe it, people will run that via 527's ala "I actually voted for it before I voted against it." It makes Obama look weak, politically craven, and says that he really believes what Trinity United stands for, but doesn't want to upset "Whitey."
I'm just waiting for Michelle Obama's "I hate Whitey" speech to surface. Good times, good times.
This gets him nothing. Just in March he was on the record about how wonderful Trinity and the new Pastor, Moss are.
Posted by: Jim Rockford at May 31, 2008 02:38 PM (4878o)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2008 02:38 PM (Uy68a)
Posted by: notropis at May 31, 2008 02:45 PM (d2OdB)
I still dont understand the meaning of the word "resign" here - but it looks like BHO has disowned the african american community.
For those members in Trinity who thought that he really stood by the church, this must be an unbearable gut punch. Officially this church has now gained "pariah" status. Good work, Barry.
What's the over/under on "Reverend" Wright coming out swinging against this ingrate ?
Posted by: NS at May 31, 2008 02:52 PM (APVe8)
Posted by: Hongqi at May 31, 2008 02:54 PM (+WuMm)
Another one UNDER the bus!!
And... another one down, another one down
Another one UNDER the bus!
HEY! I'm gonna throw you too!
Another one UNDER the bus!!"
Posted by: Freddie M. at May 31, 2008 03:02 PM (8yPsP)
On a related note, Father P is putting on quite a show trying to come across with a black cadence. I have heard alot of preaching over the years, and it sounds absolutely ridiculous to listen to some white guy express himself in such a fake manner.
And the I.R.S. needs to be seriously checking that church out . . . .
Posted by: DCox at May 31, 2008 03:04 PM (2pT9a)
He basically just said I am quiting Trinity for political purposes only.
He really doesn't get it....at all.
Posted by: Rocks at May 31, 2008 03:08 PM (7rbe9)
Maybe he can get Ayers and Dohrn to move, or to decide to take extended sabbaticals in New Guinea or something.
It's already happened: who do you think put up those Obama signs at that Amazonian stone age village?
Posted by: fulldroolcup at May 31, 2008 03:31 PM (DEoYl)
Posted by: sweet dancing moses at May 31, 2008 03:54 PM (gcFx3)
Posted by: Fucko the Clown at May 31, 2008 04:01 PM (Yb4dr)
No more so than when black guys affect the same manner and accent. You figure it comes naturally to some people? Like they're born that way? It's frustrating to me that so many young people think speaking like Steppin Fetchit is somehow laudable or shows how much a part of the community they are.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2008 04:02 PM (7QZfU)
Posted by: dick at May 31, 2008 04:36 PM (OtS5X)
I thought, the narrative went:
Christians would rather be thrown to the lions, than renounce their faith.
Posted by: franksalterego at May 31, 2008 04:48 PM (ZnyCy)
Roland Martin outdid himself tonight. Basically, he says Obama had to resign because the poor church and the racist reverends were getting death threats. So, you see, there's nothing wrong with the church, but Obama did the honorable thing to leave in order to protect those guys.
I'm sorry Ace, but "shill" no longer covers it. Martin is now "undying dick sucker" to Obama.
Posted by: Ted K. at May 31, 2008 06:03 PM (d/Awn)
WTF, Did anyone notice the last line the Jap whore said?
"I love Ace and his blogging buddies, and want to go to America and screw all of them".
At least that's how I translated it.
Posted by: kempermanx at May 31, 2008 06:16 PM (ANRVq)
Posted by: JohnnyRussia at May 31, 2008 09:35 PM (xcP7j)
Gawd help us all, if this clown becomes the POTUS, he will make Carter look like Clausewitz.
Posted by: CPT. Charles at May 31, 2008 11:48 PM (fenBi)
Well, that was just too easy. The "right wing noise machine" took Barry O. from defending his Uncle Wright (Retired) to resigning from his church in less than 3 months. I say the "right wing noise machine" needs to take on something a little more challenging now. There are still more than 5 months to the general election. I say the "right wing noise machine's" next task should be to make Obama name a Republican as his Vice President. And not just any Republican. Obama should get a Republican that agrees with him on the war. Obama should get a Republican that agrees with him that America is a disaster. Obama should get a Republican that is as naive about foreign policy as he is. Obama should, nay must, pick Congressman Ron Paul. Ron Paul for Vice President! Yeaarrhhgghraaa!
There it is, "right wing noise machine." Go to it.
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Posted by: elly at June 01, 2008 02:01 AM (P0OUQ)
Posted by: elly at June 01, 2008 02:03 AM (P0OUQ)
he said this..."Saying he had prayed about the decision, Obama said he and his wife, Michelle, had for "quite some time" discussed the possibility of leaving the church."
Posted by: Mike in chicago at June 01, 2008 03:04 AM (/L1AV)
HE resigned b/c these comments will make hillary supporters go fucking apeshit
THe RNC should be all over these in the fall to cleave the hillary voters they will need to beat the SaviorMessiahChristBuddha
Posted by: TMF at June 01, 2008 03:06 AM (/YM8H)
Barry handled this so well, so Presidentially.
I am glad that he took care of this, I was really beginning to fret about Michelle' kids.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at June 01, 2008 03:07 AM (vFeQi)
More like a fuckin' mosque.
Posted by: Mike in chicago at June 01, 2008 03:14 AM (/L1AV)
Well, since the Democrats just re-enacted Dredd Scott for every man, woman and child in Florida, he's got a pretty good start...
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They should but the more likely move will be McCain apologizing to Obama.
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