March 31, 2008
— Gabriel Malor I may die of popcorn lung before the convention.
Jon Henke is guestblogging for Megan McArdle this week and he has an impressive list of recent "oops" moments for both Clinton and Obama , some of which I had never heard of and all of which are worthy of repeating.
But one that caught my eye promises to be a more than satisfactory follow-up to the Rev. Wright drama. Meet Obama's next major miscalculation when it comes to choosing spiritual counsel and campaign adivsors: Rev. James T. Meeks, another firebreathing racewarrior and a virulent homophobe.
Obama is going to face some tough questions about this guy and it will resuscitate the media's flagging interest in Rev. Wright since now we have a pattern. Meeks' sermons are just as stunning as Wright's and are also available on CD, which makes me think we'll be seeing more arm-flapping goodness in the near future. (BTW, is it common for churches to sell recorded services?)
That's right, he said:
"We don't have slave masters. We got mayors. But they still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able, or to be educated."
"You got some preachers that are house niggers. You got some elected officials that are house niggers. And rather than them trying to break this up, they gonna fight you to protect this white man."
This Meeks fellow is simply amazing. In the video, he tries to claim that he doesn't see why people would be upset about him calling black members of the city counsel "house niggers." He goes on to claim that the n-word is not a "bad word" for blacks and is actually a term of endearment!
He's also got quite a track record when it comes to anti-gay sentiment, something that got Obama in trouble once before. But best (worst?) of all, this albatross is securely tied around Obama's neck:
Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for spiritual counsel, James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.
When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate in 2003, he frequently campaigned at Salem Baptist Church while Rev. Meeks appeared in television ads supporting the Illinois senators campaign...
Since that time, not only has Meeks himself served on Obamas exploratory committee for the presidency and been listed on the Obama's campaign website as one of the senators influential black supporters, but his church choir was called on to raise their voices in praise at a rally the night Obama announced his run for the White House back in 2007.
Interestingly, the Chicago Sun Times has also reported that both Meeks and Obama share a history of substantial campaign contributions from indicted real estate magnate Tony Rezko.
The media dismissed the Wright controversy as soon as Obama spoke. I don't expect they will use this much. Racism and bigotry are ok as long as they are practiced by a socialist.
However I just got done watching Obama bowling. He was in Altoona Pa. Very near my hometown, Tyrone. I witnessed something I didn't know about the man. Yes, yes he can't bowl, I expected that. He bowls with his left hand. Obama is left handed. No offense to any southpaw out there but I have not met any leftie who is not just a little bit crazy.
Posted by: Ralph at March 31, 2008 08:55 PM (W/oMo)
Hillary would be easier cause shes the establishment, hes untouchable and if u attempt to touch him and u have an R next to ur name ur a rascist
Posted by: dixon at March 31, 2008 08:56 PM (2LlDG)
Posted by: Guy in Utah at March 31, 2008 08:56 PM (V3WTz)
Posted by: Potosi Joel at March 31, 2008 09:01 PM (TPRbZ)
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Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 09:20 PM (AhzZt)
Posted by: along came Jones at March 31, 2008 09:23 PM (KOkrW)
Posted by: Gabriel at March 31, 2008 09:29 PM (1Ug6U)
He won't lose more than just the smallest amount of the black vote in the general if he distances himself from radicals such as this. He won't feel the slightest twinge of guilt in turning his back on them to assuage middle America. There will be a New Obama, with New Hope. He'll win more of the moderate Dem vote that for whatever reason seems to like McCain than he'll lose by making a couple of statements that condemn the same base that he's pulled money and votes from in his very short public career.
It's all for the Greater Good. Which is why he shouldn't win, and also why he won't. The only way McCain can lose this is to run a G.H.W. Bush style campaign.
Unfortunately, McCain is already setting that tone. Hopefully, and I'm no huge fan of the guy, he'll make sure that he injects himself into the "message" and doesn't let himself get over handled.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 09:35 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 09:38 PM (AhzZt)
So, if we put politicians in the place of BSG, who would we get?
Bill Clinton = Baltar
Obama = Zarek
McCain? = Adama
I was going to go with Roslin and Hildog, but Roslin never cried like a pussy to get people to like her. On the other hand, both are equally likely to steal an election.
Posted by: TheEJS at March 31, 2008 09:39 PM (nWQmo)
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 09:42 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 09:43 PM (AhzZt)
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 09:44 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: mesablue at April 01, 2008 02:35 AM (5yNaE)
mccain will lose if he doesnt pander to his base, this election will be won by the candidate who can reconcile with their base the best, both can perhaps be seen as centrists (well mccain can, and hell obama makes u feel good, which is what most centrists are looking for) so the candidate who can actually motivate the base to vote instead of jerkin off to reruns of baywatch will win
Posted by: dixon at March 31, 2008 09:48 PM (2LlDG)
Yeah, this episode about the Saggitarons was one of the better fillers.
And I don't think Clinton wishes he was Tigh as much as met Tigh's wife.
Posted by: TheEJS at March 31, 2008 09:48 PM (nWQmo)
Posted by: bgates at March 31, 2008 09:51 PM (RzFhF)
True, but McCain's base is still reconciling with itself. He doesn't have to pander so much as shore up a shaky foundation. It's not an army of true believers. This election is going to poll with the wind -- I hate that.
And I don't think Clinton wishes he was Tigh as much as met Tigh's wife.
Well that and that a certain something that I won't mention happens right before they leave New Caprica that grants him certain, ahem, freedom.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 09:58 PM (5yNaE)
True, but McCain's base is still reconciling with itself. He doesn't have to pander so much as shore up a shaky foundation. It's not an army of true believers.
Posted by: mesablue at April 01, 2008 02:58 AM (5yNaE)
i agree, as much as i hate to admit it i will probably vote for him if he makes the smallest concessions or at least has a conservative vp (as bad as it sounds considering how old he is and the fact he may kick the bucket in office will work in his favor for the conservatives if he has a vp that is conservative)
Posted by: dixon at March 31, 2008 10:08 PM (2LlDG)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 10:08 PM (AhzZt)
A true alpha male celebrating Earth Hour:
7:59 - Turned on every light in house, including both TVs, which are both in the living room. The 32-inch and 19-inch sets are tuned to CBS and FOX, respectively. The PlayStation 2, despite not being used, is also turned on, but with no game in the system.
8:02 - Answered the door from disgruntled next-door neighbor complaining about light pollution and how Im not doing [my] part. Gives a confused look when I scold him for lack of butane conservation after he lights up a cigarette.
8:06 - Order two large pizzas from Papa Johns, Pizza Hut, and Dominos. Tell each person taking my order that I will tip generously if the pizza arrives before 9, but insist that if the pies arrive right at 9 or later, I will not pay.
8:09 - Wife calls and tells me shes running late from work. I remember that I have a wife. I leave the cell phone on the table.
8:12 - Throw one sock in washing machine. Set wash cycle for a full load with hot water. Without soap.
8:17 - Pull out electric guitar and amp from closet and set up on front porch. Attempt to spraypaint PUNTER-PALOOZA in the front yard grass, but realize too late that Ive made my letters too big.
Complete with flame throwing goodness and much more at the link above.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 10:09 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 31, 2008 10:10 PM (+vmYJ)
Obama is only in the running because of MSM cover, and Hilldog is only in the running because of MSM cover, and McCain only won out because of MSM cover.
Wait a second, I think there may be a pattern there...
Posted by: Merovign at March 31, 2008 10:10 PM (IaYDo)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 10:14 PM (AhzZt)
Posted by: Francase at March 31, 2008 10:19 PM (5Ya4T)
It was fun voting for W last time just to increase the pain and suffering of the BDS'ers.
I do have faith in McCain that he won't screw our troops. That's more than enough for me to tip the scales. But, considering how our primary season started -- how the hell did we end up at this point?
A whole lot of people screwed up big.
More than a little disheartening.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 10:23 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 10:29 PM (AhzZt)
I was a Republican in Chicago which is rare enough, so cut me a little slack. Big city politics are not translatable to the standard scale.
A lot has happened since then and more than anything, I got back to my basics when it comes to how I feel politically. Very conservative on federal and state, libertarian locally, so that puts me at odds with with basic Republican mantra, but makes me more conservative than the general public. Also makes me wonder what the heck I ever liked about McCain, to get back on topic.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 10:34 PM (5yNaE)
I have hope that McCain will surprise us. The "office" of the President does strange things to those who hold it -- Clinton turned into a shameless panderer after being somewhat of a moderate idealogue. I think McCain is a service before self kind of guy and will mold himself to the needs of the office -- which will force him to be more conservative than he could be in the Senate. Completely different day to day concerns. Statesmanship and goofy moderate brinkmanship will have to give way to the necessity of running the country.
Or, not. We'll see.
Posted by: mesablue at March 31, 2008 10:46 PM (5yNaE)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 10:48 PM (AhzZt)
Everyone understands and acknowledges this, including the "I'll never vote for McCain" crowd. What you're not stating is that Hillary or Obama will at least meet unified Republican opposition in pretty much everything they want to do. McCain won't. Everything liberal that McCain wants, McCain will get without even having to spend political capital on it. The -exact same- liberal legislation proposed by Hillary or Obama that will send Republican Congressmen to the battlements will get cheers and yessirs from those same congressmen when McCain proposes it - the -exact- same liberal legislation. That's why you'll hear people say that a McCain presidency could be worse than a Hillary/Obama one. Not solely because of the president themselves, but because of what they'll deal with in Congress.
Posted by: Qwinn at March 31, 2008 11:04 PM (MN787)
Posted by: topsecretk9 at March 31, 2008 11:13 PM (AhzZt)
Posted by: liontooth at March 31, 2008 11:28 PM (n3pxb)
I see a sudden chill in the air. One guy softly muttered, "I can't believe I voted for this guy (in primary)". Obama is fast losing support of 'Typical white people'.
Any similar anecdotes from anyone?
Posted by: Tushar D at April 01, 2008 12:51 AM (DWXGz)
A whole lot of people screwed up big.
I blame Iowa.
Posted by: klrtz1 at April 01, 2008 12:59 AM (Y+AeB)
Aren't McCain, Bush 41, Bill Clinton, and Reagan, to name a few, left-handed? Perot and McCain support your theory, though.
Posted by: mikey at April 01, 2008 01:48 AM (GSeVd)
These aren't the basic homilies that those of us from more liturgical backgrounds are used to which run about twenty minutes; they tend to run at least 45 minutes and I remember one sermon in particular at an urban church I visited once which lasted three hours. They often include an outline and a page for taking notes in the bulletin, and the sermons themselves are sometimes even at the academic level of a college (which isn't surprising when a lot of the those holding the "teaching pastor" position tend to have degrees, even advanced degrees, in religion and/or theology).
The thing is, most of the time these sermons don't say anything more controversial than "Don't have sex until you're married," "Homosexuality is wrong," or "Get your friends saved." The worst I ever heard was one minister making some kind of a weak joke about the Baptists.
Posted by: HokiePundit at April 01, 2008 02:01 AM (LvQdc)
Posted by: holdfast at April 01, 2008 02:03 AM (hDyHJ)
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 02:16 AM (LYKFp)
Best Democrat primary ever!
Also, pet peeve: using "evangelical" to mean anything other than "of or related to evangelizing." If you mean "Southern Baptist," then say that. If you mean "fundamentalist" or "Biblical literalist," then say that. And if you mean "Protestant" or "non-Catholic," then say that. Please don't use a term that has a clearly defined meaning that doesn't match with what you're saying. It's extremely confusing.
I never know what group people are talking about when they say "evangelical." All I know is that they don't actually mean evangelists.
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at April 01, 2008 02:58 AM (FlRBy)
What concerns me is that the MSM is even more shameless this time around. They are Obama's personal spin doctors.
Posted by: JB at April 01, 2008 03:02 AM (nBiKb)
Posted by: Fox2! at April 01, 2008 03:08 AM (mS51q)
Posted by: Ann NY at April 01, 2008 03:27 AM (Ofd1W)
El Rushbo noted yesterday that nObama's camp couldn't care less about his LIES, though they are outraged when confronted with his lack of a accomplishments.
Black politicians have an immunity to lies. Lies only matter when convenient; i.e., when white women tell them. Ask Alice Walker about her loyal but "white made the difference between them" college girl friends and those gender free bottles thrown by white women at her.
There were things that ladies did not do. Throwing in public was not lady-like. It didn't matter what was being thrown or what the target was. Ladies couldn't throw worth sh*t, anyway. That takes practice. Ladies WOULD gossip and shun the unwanted. Alice Walker, like her target Hillary, re-invents the past according to her whim with self fabricated memories consisting of contemporary opportunities projected into the past where they did not exist, even for white women.
Meanwhile, as ever, the parties lead their voters with carrots.
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 03:29 AM (LYKFp)
It's easy. If it's Hillary the MSM will just do their usual muddle. If it's Obama any critic of his will be immediately and loudly denounced as racist. After decades of the only thing the public schools teach being "racism is bad" that will be sufficient to sink any GOP candidate, let alone one who looks like a walking mummy.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 01, 2008 03:31 AM (pg/HS)
The MSM's wet dream is to elect an angry black man to validate their hatred of "racist" fly -.over America ( see, we were right you stupid yokels).
It validates their world view while screwing the people they secretly would love to shove into railcars- they will do anything to elect him.
Posted by: jjshaka at April 01, 2008 03:32 AM (SUjWl)
Assuming either of these marxist/socialist/racist assclowns will be EASY to beat in the general assumes at least 2 important things:
1. McCain has the political balls to come at either one of them hard with unpleasant facts that should easily be their undoing. He has so far not shown any such indication. He acts like the Dems are his best pals (and maybe they are). I seriously doubt he'll do what's needed to properly bury either of these two.
2. Even if he did come at them hard, the MSM is going to have all of their pro-Dem amps turned to 11 this season. It wouldn't matter if either of the Dems is caught in bed with under-aged kids while snorting coke. MSM won't have the time to report it because they'll be too busy digging dirt on their former friend that still technically has the R beside his name.
Posted by: MoronInTraining at April 01, 2008 03:40 AM (zFAe8)
Posted by: Brown Line at April 01, 2008 03:41 AM (WXQ4x)
It validates [the MSM wet dream] world view while screwing the people they secretly would love to shove into railcars- they will do anything to elect [an angry black man].--jjshaka
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 03:41 AM (LYKFp)
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree: Evangelical has a generally-accepted meaning in the United States (which is different from its meaning in Europe). It describes those Christians who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. They tend to be "born again" and of Protestant or Protestant-derived denominations (non-denominational "Bible churches are nearly always Evangelical), although some Catholics (usually converts) describe themselves this way as well.
I think the adjectival form of "evangelism" is "evangelistic."
Posted by: HokiePundit at April 01, 2008 03:47 AM (LvQdc)
Qwinn, with all due respect, that "unified Republican opposition" won't mean squat when C-in-C Obama pulls our troops out of Iraq and single-handedly throws away everything they've achieved over the last five years. For me, that consideration trumps everything else.
Not to mention the judges that Obama will nominate. Or the officers he will promote - do you honestly think a David Petraeus will be promoted by an Obama administration?
No, McCain will be very bad. But Obama or Hillary would be very much worse.
Posted by: Brown Line at April 01, 2008 03:48 AM (WXQ4x)
This whole Obama saga has enlightened me to the fact that the majority of blacks in this country are bigger assclowns then I had ever imagined. I think it's healthy actually.
Posted by: Estoban at April 01, 2008 03:52 AM (X7Ey1)
McCain is not to be trusted, nor is he to be financially supported UNTIL he secures our national borders. And he won't. His election by default will continue dissolving USA citizenship and empowering the globalization of the non-national sovereign-global New World Order that for over a century now isn't new at all, really. Those "progressive ideals" have proven the bane of mankind's misery countless times; by coersion we are led to the slaughter. We are in no better a position than the weakened cattle being electrically prodded while being water boarded to facilitate butchery by our government officials.
At best, McCain plays Saruman the White.
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 03:57 AM (LYKFp)
Posted by: Jake Blues at April 01, 2008 04:09 AM (F5GQ3)
Posted by: Greg at April 01, 2008 04:18 AM (1vUKx)
The problem Rev. Meeks has is that he is attacking the mayor and councilmen of the City of Chicago in racists terms, but it is clear that he doesn't like their policies. But here is the problem, the mayor and council are liberals....the mayor is a member of the democratic party as are most of the council.
Posted by: thgrant at April 01, 2008 04:26 AM (Ss83y)
My brother just got an IM telling him his boss, his bosses son and he are all invited to a small, intimate meeting between small business owners and Senator Obama. Respond right away so we can clear you with the Secret Service. Location: The Kentucky Fried Chicken at the entrance to the mall. Heh!
I tried to post this prank over there but for some reason it didn't appear:
Change the location of your buddies browser cache to his desktop.
Posted by: Tinian at April 01, 2008 04:31 AM (1Mq7K)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at April 01, 2008 04:46 AM (KeOQp)
Anybody catch Google's April Fool Joke?
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 01, 2008 04:54 AM (achM8)
from Stuff Spurwing Plover Said
(Volume IV First Edition)
Posted by: JayC at April 01, 2008 04:56 AM (3hZX3)
Posted by: Alice H at April 01, 2008 04:58 AM (jRtPb)
Posted by: Heidi at April 01, 2008 05:13 AM (POFLZ)
This whole Obama saga has enlightened me to the fact that the majority of blacks in this country are bigger assclowns then I had ever imagined. I think it's healthy actually.
Careful of the banhamma there, sir.
This election cycle has brought up the troubling propensity of blacks to vote race first. We seem to ignore this when it involves only our cities but it is disturbing. Turns out there are two Americas: black and white- if we can't make blacks feel like they are American first we could be in deep doo.
Posted by: captkidney at April 01, 2008 05:14 AM (9UaBN)
Wow Heidi, high horse much?
I hate to tell you this but the white backgroud of the site does not indicate the color of the commenters.
Posted by: captkidney at April 01, 2008 05:16 AM (9UaBN)
Okay. Wright came from an upper middle class black family, received his bachelors and master's degree from Howard University, another masters from University of Chicago, and his phd from somewhere else the name of which I don't remember. He is now a millionaire.
So, what he is "coming from" is fucking life a privilege beyond the average life of the vast majority of white people.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 01, 2008 05:25 AM (achM8)
So using the N word is a term of endearment for blacks...and if I tried to drop that on some of the blacks in some of the more reputable neighborhoods in the LA area, I'm sure that I would end up on a slab at the county coroner's office by the end of the day (being the pasty white gangster that I am).
Barry's buddies are like case of herpes - they just don't go away.
Posted by: Eeyore's Swinging Sack at April 01, 2008 05:27 AM (I6QiV)
Now, the Reverend State Senator Meeks presents this as a racial problem (uh, it's fellow Democrats running the show Rev) and this is far too close to the Jews run the country kind of stuff. The Mayor and the Dems aren't screwing over black kids, because they're black, it's all about the power and the money. Dems will throw anyone under the bus regardless of race, color, creed, national origin or sexual orientation.
A real "Power to the People" solution would be to put the power in the hands of the parents, not black politicians. Parents need control of their education budget and control of their education preferences. Meeks wants the power and the money for himself and he'll throw black kids under the bus with the same abandon other Democrat politicians will.
To me, it is a plantation system and a kind of slavery, the problem is blaming whites and not his fellow Democrat politicians, the school-industry unions, etc.
Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at April 01, 2008 05:39 AM (rPOMc)
I think better discussions woud be WHY so many black spritual advisors are so angry?
It pays, and well.
Posted by: toby928 at April 01, 2008 05:41 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: funky chicken at April 01, 2008 05:43 AM (I+jPP)
JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Assn) reports that recent testing indicates that a sever overindulgence in sex - with or without partner - can alleviate some of the symptoms of popcorn lung! Indeed, if done with a willing set of partners in rotation, a complete cure is possible if the strict and fatiguing regimen is adhered to.
Posted by: Steamboat McGoo at April 01, 2008 05:44 AM (DvoWL)
Brief historical observations from Jonah Goldberg [edit personal observation]:
Religion was a political tool, while politics was the true religion. [Fascists to Black Supremacists] The progressives viewed the traditional system of constitutional checks and balances as an outdated impediment to progress, a barrier to their own ambitions. [moveon.org]
Huey Long famously said that if fascism ever came to America it would be called 'Americanism' [or anti-fascism].
Wilson: America is not now and cannot in the future be a place for unrestricted individual enterprise. The history of liberty is dead. Only a very gross substance of concrete conception can make any impression on the minds of the masses. They must get their ideas very absolutely put, and are much readier to receive a half truth which they can promptly understand than a whole truth which has too many sides to be seen all at once. [Educational system] The competent leader of men cares little for the internal niceties of other people's characters [contrary to early Romantics emphasis on the inner]: he cares much--everything--for the external uses to which [people] may be put...as materials upon which the leader's power operates. "Men are as clay in the hands of the consummate leader."
Progressives boast "power accrues to whoever is truly on God's side".
[So, from Wilson and the 1896 Social Gospel movement to Bush and Islam. Now to the Rev.Wright's nObama to whom Nancy Reagan's slogan is applied, "Just say no!" Positivist convolution and retrograde inversion dissolve civil rights by Black Power, blacks upon blacks upon whites. Today's Christians don't know their grandparents or greatgrandparents involvement in America's Social Gospel that shed all Christianity. As competitors with progressives and positivism, today's Christians get the brunt of political bigotry. But sadly the evangelicals have blindly committed the sabotage that they eschew of our conservative principles that they treasure by empowering the wolves and coyotes like Bush.]
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 05:46 AM (LYKFp)
How big is "so many"? 10%, 20%, 50%? You tell me.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 01, 2008 05:48 AM (tvnQf)
and they laugh all the way to the bank
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 05:49 AM (LYKFp)
Posted by: funky chicken at April 01, 2008 05:50 AM (I+jPP)
Your question is a rhetorical one, but allow me to answer it anyway.
When I was in high school, my family moved to Hawaii. Whites are the minority there, and are referred to as "haoles," a word that means 'foreigner' or 'outsider.' The majority in my first high school (James Campbell High in Ewa Beach) did everything they could to make me feel like one. I was beat up a few times, spit upon, had fireworks thrown at me and once - just for kicks - a guy decided it would be fun to pinch a nerve in my hand while pretending to be friendly. There was even a "Kill Haole Day" where the school became a free-for-all of random punches and kicks. Good times...
The racism was institutionalized. When I and my family went to the school's administration to complain about this treatment, we were told that we had to understand that "there are places whites just should try to avoid." That's a direct quote, as I'll never forget those words coming out of an authority figure. The school may not have directly condoned the behavior, but they did little or nothing to stop it.
Was I angry at such treatment? Absolutely. Have I allowed it to color my view of those who were abusive? Once, yes. But I worked and transferred to another high school (Radford, in Aiea) and graduated. I didn't wallow in my victimization or allow the hatred of others to define who I was.
So to answer your question, yes, Heidi. I have been a minority, and an unpopular one.
Any other questions?
Posted by: Slublog at April 01, 2008 05:56 AM (R8+nJ)
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 05:58 AM (LYKFp)
Posted by: Heidi at April 01, 2008 06:00 AM (POFLZ)
I think better discussions woud be WHY so many black spritual advisors are so angry?
Coming from you, supporter of "hate crimes" legislation and such.
Yes, you're too dumb to see the irony. And no, I won't explain it to you.
Posted by: Jay at April 01, 2008 06:02 AM (BNlV7)
Now there's an idea. Maybe somebody should try to FIND a Republican, and convince him or her to run for President.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 01, 2008 06:07 AM (E5aMz)
Holy crap! Obama is begging to go down in flames. I wonder if Michelle picked the replacement pastor (kinda like the Breck Girl's wife picking the campaign bloggers).
If Hillary loses, something tells me she will do whatever is necessary to ensure Obama goes down in flames.
McCain will win in a landslide. I just can't see any other conclusion. Tens of millions of average white voters will get scared to death and vote against him.
The next thing we have to worry about will be an overly cocky McCain in his first year. That could be a problem.
Posted by: Dogstar at April 01, 2008 06:10 AM (FgxdU)
Yeah, well, that includes the 33% of the time that he's asleep, leaving about 22%.
And yeah, I'm still gonna vote for him. But don't try to fucking snow me, okay?
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 01, 2008 06:13 AM (E5aMz)
From a certain POV he's the perfect Republican candidate as far as electability goes in this particular cycle. Both Obama and Hillary! are absurd socialists. McCain is truly "center" and will attract both the base (well, enough of them) and the moderates while the Dem candidates struggle to attract the nutroots and center at once. They won't be able to do it: Hillary! tacks to far to the right, and Obama to the left. Either way they alienate non-trivial numbers of voters.
His best strategy is to simply shut up and let them destroy each other now. Later, his best strategy is to simply shut up and let them destroy themselves. Once he's in office, his best strategy is to simply die and let a well-chosen Veep handle things.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at April 01, 2008 06:16 AM (IVUjc)
Heidi, it is the black church going folk or any specific racially purist congregation you should reconsider exhonerating before rejecting those of us living the melting pot lives. Today's most flagrant racists are minorities who refuse to accept those outside of their purist genetic pool.
Many of us who grew up a persecuted minority found maturity by living productive lives enjoying friendship and loyalty outside of our gene pool.
There is no more reality to "white" than "colored", as if you don't get that. If you insist that totally racist reality still distinguishes the two parties, then the KKK "white" is Democrat (charging Obama as Uncle Tom), and the GOP is "colored".
Posted by: maverick muse at April 01, 2008 06:19 AM (LYKFp)
In the long run, people who support Obama and those leaning towards supporting Obama will ignore all this.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 01, 2008 06:19 AM (achM8)
(Volume IV First Edition)"
That's from the heavily-edited, spelling-cleaned-up edition, isn't it?
Alice H #63 "the Democratic party high mucky-mucks embracing Fred Phelps."
The whats embracing who, when? What, because of his vast influential voter power or the sheer charisma that he brings to every issue? Oh wait, he only has one issue, and it's making noisy obnoxious protests at military funerals because the USA isn't gay-hostile enough to suit him. Can anybody name ten people who don't despise Fred Phelps? Outside of his eentsy little "Baptist" church, I mean. And the quote marks are there because even the Baptists don't recognize that toxic little creep as being one of their own.
"If a Republican vice-president-elect personally invited someone like Phelps to the presidential inauguration - twice - he'd be picketed and protested for the rest of his term and probably afterwards. Yet Al Gore is still the Democratic darling."
Al Gore did that???? Okay, besides Al Gore, can anyone name nine other people who don't despise Fred Phelps?
Oh my goodness, you know what? The hard-hitting deep-digging reporterette on 60 Minutes the other night also forgot to bring that up, while she was forgetting to ask about the funding source(s) for his superduper worldwide advertising campaign. That's just darned odd, isn't it?
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 01, 2008 06:39 AM (E5aMz)
I could have sworn there was a big dem uprising over Churches supporting or advocating a political candidate and that would risk losing their tax exempt status. I guess it's ok for dems.
Posted by: mgnmfrc1 at April 01, 2008 06:55 AM (jEcDD)
April Fools! Oh, man, I really had you going, didn't I?
Seriously, we're all about healing and getting past the politics of race. Vote Obama.
Or you're a racist.
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It's not too early to start worrying about over-cockiness, imho.
Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at April 01, 2008 07:07 AM (E5aMz)
I have no doubt that the day after his inauguration, we'll be ordered to wear our underwear outside our pants.
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Posted by: Darth Randall at April 01, 2008 07:16 AM (oLULt)
Maybe in 1865 it was merely a description of where one worked on the plantation, today, not so much.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 01, 2008 07:20 AM (achM8)
Well, your thinking about the Clinton years when people got all up in arms when some black churches were practically campaigning for him.
The response the media got was, and I'm sorry I cant remember who said it, "the Black Church is a political movement".
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Heidi - I refuse to look into your questions as to why some black preacher might be angry. I don't care because I have nothing to do with his anger. That and I've faced some adversity in my life and don't see any reason to complain about it. I grew up male, white, and poor. My father worked 50-60 hours a week for years to put food on our table and put my sister and I through college. We had to shop for clothes at the Salvation Army (not because we were looking for kickin' 'vintage' shirts, but because we needed clothes) on occasion, among other second-hand clothing outlets, especially during the times my father was laid off - gasp! yes, it happens to whites too. I have faced discrimination on the job and been turned down for employment on at least two occasions...because I was white. Not 'there was a under-qualified black man that they had to hire to fulfill quotas.' No, I was passed over because, with a little tilt of their heads and a knowing glance, both men, both black, said 'I don't think you'll be a good fit here' after what I considered to be good interviews. You know what, Heidi? I held out my hand, shook theirs, thanked them for the opportunity, exited the building, and had a good laugh. Both of those instances took place in Atlanta at all-black companies in October, 2000. I was not aware before the interviews that they were trying to maintain a certain 'look' to their companies. I have since continued to live my life, and while those were vital lessons on my life, I have no anger about them. I don't go around to strangers on the street and yell about the injustices I have faced in my life. I have forged on without the help of government, social activism, or fringe groups and made my own life. I harbor no anger against black people in general. I judge people as individuals, and this is without regard to skin color. There are far more individual white people I harbor animosity for than individual blacks. I see no solidarity in skin color, rather I believe in solidarity in belief and philosophy. I hold out my arms and welcome blacks to the conservative movement, not because it 'colors' or - ugh - 'diversifies' the movement, but rather I rejoice because it signifies freedom of thought, a release from the prison of fear (you know, fear of the white, racist, homophobe boogey-man), and the breaking away of an individual from a collectivist socialist monolith. To the point of your comments, when I have been the victim of attempted robbery by black men, were they justified in trying to rob me Heidi? Were they justified in calling me 'white-boy?' Was it OK for them to assume that I had money because I was white? Did I 'owe' them because they might have been poorer than me? Did their 'circumstances' deem them entitled to what I had? There is no line of reasoning in the brain of man to justify a 'yes' answer to any of those questions. No, I don't need to explore 'why' some black preacher might be angry. Because I have faced injustices in my life and I'm not angry at those situations. I'm angry at people like Heidi, and Rev Wright and others. People who want to start a fire, never wanting a solution to their 'plight' because there's money to be made in the hate business (see Mr Wright's fancy new House that Hate Built), when right in their face is the simple truth: there is opportunity for everyone in this country. No, outcomes are not guaranteed, but if you get out of your own way, there's possibilities for success for everyone, regardless of skin color. Heidi, I know where these preachers are coming from, and the blind eye you turn to their hypocrisy whether its out of shallow black skin solidarity or equally shallow white guilt is much more egregious than the perceived 'laptops of self-righteousness' you pine on about.
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