June 30, 2014

Obama: Congress' Refusal To Pass the Law I Like Grants Me The Power To Do Like Whatever
— Ace

The Constitutional Law Scholar in the White House (TM).

I rarely assume tyrannical power, but when I do, I prefer socialist tyrannical power.

Think about how stupid this is: Obama is claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power (rather than the exercise of it), and then that power flows precisely to the President.

Just how the Framers' designed it, huh?

You have refused to grant me the power of Imperium. Therefore, you have irresponsibly abandoned your exercise of that power, and the power to declare myself emperor flows into my own hands.

Grant me power, or I will seize it. The choice is yours.

Senator Ron Johnson and actual law professor Jonathan Turley address the crisis that Obama has created.


A growing crisis in our constitutional system threatens to fundamentally alter the balance of powers -- and accountability -- within our government. This crisis did not begin with Obama, but it has reached a constitutional tipping point during his presidency. Indeed, it is enough to bring the two of us -- a liberal academic and a conservative U.S. senator -- together in shared concern over the future of our 225-year-old constitutional system of self­governance.


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First, we need to discuss the erosion of legislative authority within the evolving model of the federal government. There has been a dramatic shift of authority toward presidential powers and the emergence of what is essentially a fourth branch of government -- a vast network of federal agencies with expanded legislative and judicial power. While the federal bureaucracy is a hallmark of the modern administrative state, it presents a fundamental change to a system of three coequal branches designed to check and balance each other. The growing authority invested in federal agencies comes from a diminished Congress, which seems to have a dramatically reduced ability to actively monitor, let alone influence, agency actions.


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The framers believed that members of each branch of government would transcend individual political ambitions to vigorously defend the power of their institutions. Presidents have persistently expanded their authority with considerable success. Congress has been largely passive or, worse, complicit in the draining of legislative authority. Judges have adopted doctrines of avoidance that have removed the courts from important conflicts between the branches. Now is the time for members of Congress and the judiciary to affirm their oaths to “support and defend the Constitution” and to work to re-establish our delicate constitutional balance.

Indeed, the Supreme Court has the Last Clear Chance of averting an actual coup.

Posted by: Ace at 11:10 AM | Comments (520)
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1 If the SCOTUS is the last best hope of avoiding an actual coup, then I'd almost rather they shut up and let the coup come.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at June 30, 2014 11:12 AM (iIzG7)

2 ...as long as you don't mean a coup by the SCOAMF himself.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at June 30, 2014 11:13 AM (iIzG7)

3 Can not stand looking at that picture.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at June 30, 2014 11:14 AM (T2V/1)

4 I HAVE A PEN !!!, and I will use it like Kal Penn

Posted by: Barakahnahten at June 30, 2014 11:14 AM (6/J77)

5 Can not stand looking at that picture. Posted by: Vic ----------------- Yup. A real gorge-raiser.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 11:14 AM (/GgDU)

6 Are you guys ready yet?

Posted by: The Burning Times at June 30, 2014 11:14 AM (9TK8E)

7 Impeach, convict, imprison.

Obama and the Left need to be smacked down, HARD.  Apparently he didn't learn when he was a child, and the lesson learned would have been far less severe.  Time he learns that not only is he not a special snowflake, but that he is a dullard, a race-baiting grievance-monger, and an asshole.

Posted by: acethepug at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (KB+BG)

8

>>>You have refused to grant me the power of Imperium. Therefore, you have irresponsibly abandoned your exercise of that power, and the power to declare myself emperor flows into my own hands.

Grant me power, or I will seize it. The choice is yours.<<<



It's a tax.

Posted by: Chief Justass John Roberts at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (Svzrl)

9 As a constitutional scholar, I deeply respect the constitution. However, like Lincoln, I am now faced with an imperative that will force me to temporarily suspend some of its prescriptions. That imperative is that Congress and I have some policy disagreements.

Posted by: Obama at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (D0bIN)

10 As a constitutional scholar, I deeply respect the constitution. However, like Lincoln, I am now faced with an imperative that will force me to temporarily suspend some of its prescriptions. That imperative is that Congress and I have some policy disagreements.

Posted by: Obama at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (D0bIN)

11 Are you guys ready yet? Posted by: The Burning Times Been ready for years.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (Vz5qP)

12 1st?

Posted by: eureka! at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (NZSm7)

13 It seems mighty strange to me that neither of da Zeros have a law license.

Posted by: maddogg at June 30, 2014 11:15 AM (xWW96)

14 Stick a fork in us, we're done. Don't believe me? Let Barky give this speech in front of college kids or any of his other voters. They will cheer and they will HELP HIM DO IT!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (X+nFp)

15 The GOPe are just as responsible for this shit as President Fuckscab.


Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (LZKvb)

16 All that ammo that the government has been buying? Startin' to make sense now. All that ammo that citizens have been hording? Same thing.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (0i5la)

17 If congress won't act to stop him sooner or later the people will Buy tar and rope stocks now

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (LzKGJ)

18

But the failure of the Republican congress to pass a bill is bad for the country, bad for the economy and bad for the future.

 

So he has to act unilaterally.  Otherwise government will be left to the whim of the people's elected representatives.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (JtwS4)

19

SCOTUS made a decision

 

SCROTUM doesn't agree

Posted by: Barakahnahten at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (6/J77)

20

Think about how stupid this is: Obama is claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power (rather than the exercise of it), and then that power flows precisely to the President.

 

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He's a Constitutional Scholar, Ace.  He just knows better than us.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (eEBON)

21 Because to a "progressive," constantly doing things and changing things is praiseworhty to the point of being mandatory. Failing to take action -- even when taking action is pointless, ruinous, or counter-productive -- is considered a crime.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (mizYg)

22 Let.  It.  Burn.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (iIzG7)

23 I had to pause video! I felt nauseated seeing SCOAMF!

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (gjOCp)

24 Alternate Headline:

President to Congress and Country:  "Suck My Tiny, Petulant Dick."

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (TM1p8)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (PYAXX)

26 I don't think I've ever hated someone as much as Obama.  Even Bill Clinton wasn't this bad.  Of course, Clinton existed to be beloved by the Little People, and Obama clearly values no love other than his own.

Posted by: Null at June 30, 2014 11:16 AM (P7hip)

27 I am the Law!

Posted by: Judge Dreadful at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (yn6XZ)

28 Misfits is still running on TCM and MM still looks hot as shit. 


That's all I got.  That and stale popcorn

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (0FSuD)

29 The growing authority invested in federal agencies comes from a diminished Congress, which seems to have a dramatically reduced ability to actively monitor, let alone influence, agency actions.

This may be true but it is clearly Congresses fault.  TFG is just abusing the tools they mis-produced.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (DL2i+)

30 Our passive-aggressive totalitarian dictator, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (T0NGe)

31 Everything in Obama's little drama today was non sequitur. Nothing he said was related (logically) to what he said next. Congress doesn't pass laws so I have to act.

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (fm0RL)

32 I'm so raged about his highnesses speech. I watched part of it, yeah I'm a glutton for punishment. I want our president or Walter the little dumbie behind him tell me what is wrong with our current immigration law. But they won't. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes believable. Enforce our current law. Do not let them cross the border. Deport them, return them, shoot them. I don't care. They are law breakers.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (HVff2)

33 Illegitimate Government.
Rogue Executive.

Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (PYAXX)

34

States could ignore him.

 

States are already getting away with ignoring Federal Laws on marijuana.

And nothing happens.

 

So they could easily ignore an 'illegal' law issued by King Barky.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (AYolx)

35 The pen is mightier than the Constitution - BArkY O

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (6/J77)

36 6 Are you guys ready yet? Posted by: The Burning Times at June 30, 2014 ---------------- Ready and waiting. Who scatters the stones? I have the salt...

Posted by: shredded & melted chi at June 30, 2014 11:17 AM (avC+E)

37 Somewhat O/T, but you guys should look at SCOTUSblog's twitter feed. It is hilarious, a bunch of LIV lefties think that it is the official blog of the Supreme Court and are railing on them. And SCOTUSblog is answering back with short snarky notes. https://twitter.com/scotusblog

Posted by: dan-O at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (D0bIN)

38 I admire the way he shows his esprit de corpse.

Posted by: mallfly at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (bJm7W)

39 Holy Shit....

Joey Biden looks ALOT like Jeff Dunhams "Walter" in that pic....

Posted by: President Shake-Weight at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (nELVU)

40

Are you guys ready yet?

 

Posted by: The Burning Times at June 30, 2014 04:14 PM (9TK8E)

 

We don't need no water.

Let the motherfucker burn.

Burn, motherfucker. BURN!

Posted by: Rock Master Scott and the Dynamic Three at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (o44nj)

41 He may have flunked everything else but gets an A in Audacity.  If people swallow the "woman's health" line they will buy into this too.

Posted by: AE at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (sSKe8)

42 Are we certain that we have nothing to fear with Obam in the office of the President of the United States?

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (eEBON)

43 I rarely assume tyrannical power, but when I do, I prefer socialist tyrannical power. Is there really any other kind?

Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (mah5M)

44 libs are sure betting on the idea that Mexicans won't come to hate them as much as Americans.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at June 30, 2014 11:18 AM (K6Ajt)

45 I don't believe they are fully prepared for the backlash this lawlessness is going to create.

If history tells us anything, it is that as a government becomes more autocratic and dictatorial in its power, the people reach an inflection point at which they do all within their power to respond

This government has done nothing but try to divide us as a means of reducing any opposition. But it seems to me the jig is up. People don't buy this war on women nonsense anymore. They also heard with their own ears the president and Democrats create the immigration lawlessness that is occurring on our borders. It wasn't the "Republicans", who in reality have been trying to address the problem.

The trick of trying to divide and conquer our people in order to usurp our government has been exposed.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (zXI9e)

46 Impeach, convict, imprison.

*cough* Janet Reno *cough*

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (ukadG)

47 I had to pause video! I felt nauseated seeing SCOAMF! Posted by: Carol ------------------------------------- I have not listened to the boyking since the debates in the last election cycle.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (4Mv1T)

48 Barack Obama:  Putting the "Dick" back in Dictator since 2009.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (TM1p8)

49 Send money NOW to help us fight Obama and the Democrats!

Posted by: The GOPe at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (fgFGe)

50 12th.  Oh my. Shouldn't have taken the call before hitting post.

Eleventy!11! Dare by the WH to the Court and Congress. 

Prediction:  Don't want to be called racist trumps the balls to stop this shit, figuring 'its not the end of the world and a little more to clean up when this a-hole leaves',

Posted by: eureka! at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (NZSm7)

51 Don't worry everyone! Vote for us months from now and we promise, for realzies, that we will do something about this problem that is happening today!

Posted by: Your Friendly Politician Person Who Only Cares About You(tm) at June 30, 2014 11:19 AM (27BfC)

52 Ready and waiting. Who scatters the stones? I have the salt...

Posted by: shredded & melted chi

 

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Not for long...

Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (eEBON)

53 Clearly, the military should remove Obama. This is beyond the pale. We don't have dictators in America, but Obama says he is one.

Posted by: Dan at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (COpZ4)

54 >>>Holy Shit....
Joey Biden looks ALOT like Jeff Dunhams "Walter" in that pic....
Posted by: President Shake-Weight at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM (nELVU)<<<



See, told ya.

#BringBackMyPuppet

Posted by: Jeff Dunham at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (Svzrl)

55 I have not listened to the boyking since the debates in the last election cycle. Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 30, 2014 04:19 PM (4Mv1T) Consider yourself, smart, lucky and fortunate.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (HVff2)

56

>>>"I have not listened to the boyking since the debates in the last election cycle."

 

 

Is that you, Joe Wilson?

Posted by: Maureen Dowd at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (9TK8E)

57 SCOAMT doesn't understand The Constitution! I'm sure he was high school was teaching it.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (gjOCp)

58 Did the White House even propose any legislation? I seem to remember presidents used to do that, especially budgets... and other stuff they wanted to do.

Posted by: No one ever at June 30, 2014 11:20 AM (yn6XZ)

59 Your decision to refuse to have sex with me gives me the legal right to do as I want. I didn't want to have unilateral sex with you, I wanted this to be a partnership. You forced me to do this. This is on you.

Posted by: Rapist at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (ZPrif)

60 I was talking with a psych ward inpatient yesterday who was a few days getting over a psycho episode.  He made more sense than TFG.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (DL2i+)

61 I blame the NEA. Obama is but a symptom of the cancer that has eaten away what once was America. The people are now dumbed down to the point where a President Obama is not only possible, but actual. Elected twice by a public that isn't concerned with this guys Chauncey Gardner past. It is remarkable really.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (32Ze2)

62 Don't turn your TV's on....he's coming baaaaack (to announce his pick for VA secretary). He's all up in our grill today.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (v0/PR)

63

He's showing a lot of grey hair these days.

 

Is that for sympathy?

Or is he trying to look 'distinguished' or something.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (AYolx)

64 Oh, also:

Delegation Doctrine- do you speak it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (PYAXX)

65 Clearly, the military should remove Obama. Obama has cleaned house in the military brass.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:21 AM (fgFGe)

66 TFG gives Pepe a sad, making his recovery that much more difficult.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (eEBON)

67 Some one should respect the Constitution and put this guy under arrest with a squad of Marines.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (2mOaf)

68 #joewilsonvindication

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (6/J77)

69 Sounds like Obama holds the Congress in contempt.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (p7823)

70 Clearly, the military should remove Obama. Obama has cleaned house in the military brass. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:21 PM (fgFGe) Not really.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (t3UFN)

71 Did Sulla have take this sort of crap? No! And neither will I. I hereby order the construction of crosses to be built on both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue, from the Whilte House to the Capital, sufficient in number to accommodate all Republicans in Congress. And Justice Alito too; I never liked that guy. Last chance saloon Rethuglicans--- bend to my will or face the anger of Barack!!

Posted by: His Imperial Majesty, Barack I at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (LPlQQ)

72 At this point, I have no confidence that we won't have to drag Teh SCOAMT out of the Oval Office (or more likely, a previously-undisclosed Presidential bunker or off the E-4B - he wouldn't be so stupid as to use the VC-25 in that situation, would he?) sometime after noon Eastern 1/20/2017.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (o44nj)

73 If I had to guess, he'll do something, but not as sweeping as he's threatening. That's the whole point of the threat: He was saying that he would do what he wants if Congress didn't pass a law to let him do what he wants. So why bother with the law? This idiot doesn't know how to negotiate, which is why his foreign policy is a disaster. The only thing that buoys his domestic policy are LIVs and a lapdog press.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (T0NGe)

74 "Or is he trying to look 'distinguished' or something."

Boehner's "Tan-in-a-Can," meet Predident Ephialtes' "Gravitas-by-Clairol."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at June 30, 2014 11:22 AM (iIzG7)

75 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (oDCMR)

76 Obligatory throat clearing: Delegation doctrine, motherfuckers, do you speak it. Moving on. As greatly as it pains me to say this, Jonathan Turley has been consistent on this issue and has also been diligent in attempting to bring this to the attention of the public. Now, I think he's an idiot for voting for Obama since he is actually enabling the power grab of which he warns, but credit where credit is due. He is not backing down on his concerns and he is more than willing to attack "his" side for such actions. I don't know what else to say. This is an impeachable offense.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (mf5HN)

77 Impeach, convict, imprison.

You misspelled "execute."

See also: "traitor."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (PYAXX)

78 This idiot doesn't know how to negotiate, which is why his foreign policy is a disaster. The only thing that buoys his domestic policy are LIVs and a lapdog press. Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 04:22 PM (T0NGe) THIS

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (t3UFN)

79 Obama is a Constitutional scholar like Hugh Hefner is a vagina scholar.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (QKIQb)

80 I am inspired to write about the burning times, and I have the entire Rube Goldberg apparatus all set up and primed, but I just can't find the one thing, the triggering event, the point at which there is no return, the bridge too far, the thing that brings the mob out into the street. What has to happen? Where is that point that is too far? The last straw. The Straw that breaks the camel's back. Where? Where? Is it when time has expired and the band refuses to leave the playing field?

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (fm0RL)

81 Barry seems to be channeling Adam from Mythbusters, as in "I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

Posted by: Austin Danger Powers at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (8Vz1K)

82

Truck Monkey, same here, people elected this guy twice.

 

Fool you twice - Tough shit

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:23 AM (6/J77)

83

Truck Monkey, same here, people elected this guy twice.

 

Fool you twice - Tough shit

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (6/J77)

84 Too bad SCOTUS (Roberts) already said that elections are the check on power. Which means the President can damn well do anything he wants now since he can't be thrown out.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (9Bdcz)

85 65, And that is the problem. Even the military leadership has been gutted of sane patriots. Now they just want their money and cushy jobs after they leave.

Posted by: Dan at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (COpZ4)

86 I recognize your formatting, Mr. Bloomberg, and I'm going to get a Super Big Gulp in your honor, then pour a bunch of bourbon in it.

Posted by: shredded & melted chi at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (avC+E)

87 "L'etat! C'est moi!!"

Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (YFFpo)

88 So, people are ignoring the immigration laws and "making things confusing" causing a crisis...

Step 1: Pass new Laws
Step 2: ??? (most likely ignore the new laws to)
Step 3: Proftit

Posted by: Immigration Reform Gnomes at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (Svzrl)

89 It reminds me of a scene in Game of Thrones. And, another. And, another...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:24 AM (IXrOn)

90 I don't know what else to say. This is an impeachable offense. They just keep piling up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:25 AM (fgFGe)

91 Did the White House even propose any legislation? I seem to remember presidents used to do that, especially budgets... and other stuff they wanted to do. No, because that would put him on the record. There would be something for people to criticize. Obama is for All Good Things.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 11:25 AM (T0NGe)

92 Big Chief Joe Biden looks a lot like me! Separated at birth!

Posted by: Lena Dunham at June 30, 2014 11:25 AM (LPlQQ)

93 Apparently he didn't learn when he was a child, and the lesson learned would have been far less severe. Posted by: acethepug at June 30, 2014 04:15 PM (KB+BG) There was a terrific Kipling analogy, read during my college days, that I've never been able to find since. The essence of it was, that it's best for a puppy to eat part of a shoe and get sick from the polish (which Kipling called shoe-black, but that's racist), than to wait until it's old and big enough to eat the entire shoe and die from it.

Posted by: jakeman at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (8bW7G)

94 We wanted you to agree to donate your stuff to us of your own free will. We are only doing this because you are being unreasonable and irrational. You caused this. We're only responding to your incalcitrant refusal to give us what we want. So now we're just going to take it. Take a good look at what you've done. I hope you're happy.

Posted by: Thieves and Robbers at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (ZPrif)

95 Off to pick up antibiotic #2 for this damn toothache. Root canal scheduled for next Friday and this thing ain't gettin' any better. Although, I do prefer it to Obama.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (v0/PR)

96 84, how the fuck are elections a check on power when the media is dominated by liberal fascists, and the people who count the fucking votes are dominated by liberal fascists! I fucking hate John Roberts. He should be spat upon as he walks down the street! That is why he made the individual mandate a tax, because he didn't wan to be hounded by the left. It had nothing to do with the law. Kennedey fucking sided with us!

Posted by: Dan at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (COpZ4)

97
https://twitter.com/scotusblog
Posted by: dan-O at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Funny but more lscary how fucking stoopid these people really are.  It's a fucking "blog" on its face, in its name. format and style.  Amazing.

Posted by: eureka! at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (NZSm7)

98 Little Barry:  Grandmother,  if you don't give me the keys to the car I'm just going to take them out of your purse!

Grandmother:  Oh,  just take them!

Little Barry:  Typical white person.  (Remember for later)

Posted by: Dang at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (MNq6o)

99 63 He's showing a lot of grey hair these days.

I pray it's his HIV flaring back up with a vengeance. Ear Leader does not look well lately.


Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (LZKvb)

100 Daddy only beats us because people don't give him what he wants.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (AYolx)

101 After I'm done with this shitberg, I'm moving to Jupiter.

Posted by: Hope Hubris at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (yn6XZ)

102
>>>82 ampersand 83
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 04:24 PM (6/J77)<<<




Post it once shame on you, post it twice shame on me.

Posted by: Pixy's overworked, inebriated hamster at June 30, 2014 11:26 AM (Svzrl)

103 I think the House has proposed legislation on immigration- something about a fence and E-verify? But Harry Reid (Ped./NV) won't bring it up for a vote. Hence, as I recall from Civics class, the President gets to do whatever the hell he wants! Constitutional scholarship. It's what's for breakfast.

Posted by: LASue at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (ytSri)

104 Obama has cleaned house in the military brass. I doubt he has ever cleaned a house or polished brass.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (Vz5qP)

105 92 Big Chief Joe Biden looks a lot like me! Separated at birth!

Posted by: Lena Dunham

 

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Except for the tats and back fat.  Plus, the VP has a better set of knockers.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (eEBON)

106 Although, I do prefer it to Obama. Posted by: Tami at June 30, 2014 04:26 PM (v0/PR) haha

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (IXrOn)

107 So when do we get to the 'NO MORE WIRE HANGARS' part? This Brony is getting tiresome and needs a good spanking.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (oDCMR)

108 OT:  High production video from ISIS.  These guys are series.  From weaselzippers

http://tinyurl.com/nqklv6j

Posted by: NCwoof at June 30, 2014 11:27 AM (aUQgu)

109 Somewhat O/T, but you guys should look at SCOTUSblog's twitter feed. It is hilarious, a bunch of LIV lefties think that it is the official blog of the Supreme Court and are railing on them. And SCOTUSblog is answering back with short snarky notes. https://twitter.com/scotusblog Posted by: dan-O at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM (D0bIN) It is a thing of complete and utter beauty.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at June 30, 2014 11:28 AM (mf5HN)

110 Obama is to the constitution as Jay Culter is to professional quarterbacks

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 11:28 AM (LzKGJ)

111 What has to happen? Where is that point that is too far? The last straw. The Straw that breaks the camel's back ? If we could only predict that...

Posted by: George III, Louis XVI, Nicholas II, Puyi at June 30, 2014 11:28 AM (QKIQb)

112 Funny but more lscary how fucking stoopid these people really are. It's a fucking "blog" on its face, in its name. format and style. What do you expect from participation trophy contestants?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:29 AM (Vz5qP)

113 Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. In many ways, this sums up Barack Obama.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:29 AM (fgFGe)

114

Obama is to the constitution as Jay Culter is to professional quarterbacks

 

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 04:28 PM (LzKGJ)

 

Fits perfectly because both are out of Shitcago.

 

GO PACK GO!

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:29 AM (o44nj)

115 Zombie Dean Wormer just e-mailed TFG to say:

"Coke-skinny, illiterate, and a "bottom" are no way to go through life, son."

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:30 AM (TM1p8)

116 "A growing crisis in our constitutional system threatens to fundamentally alter the balance of powers -- and accountability -- within our government." It's not our system that's threatened. It's Obama's continued Presidency that is threatened by his actions. Our system is fine. It knows how to deal with out-of-control presidents.

Posted by: someguy at June 30, 2014 11:30 AM (xlCX2)

117 Never forget that Adolph Hitler was duly elected Chancellor and from there assigned to himself ever-expanding powers. His 'dictatorship" was nothing more than transforming an elected office into an office with unlimited powers. THis is how most dictators arise -- not through coups, but through the expansion of a legitimate office.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2014 11:30 AM (mizYg)

118 Did the White House even propose any legislation? I seem to remember presidents used to do that, especially budgets... and other stuff they wanted to do. Posted by: No one ever -------------------------------- Vicariously, via Zeke Emmanuel

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 11:30 AM (/GgDU)

119 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result.
And Fuck You right back.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:30 AM (DL2i+)

120 Obama can kill US citizens without any due process. He can listen to all our emails and phone calls without a warrant. He can sign bills into law and then disregard the law whenever he feels like it. Now, he can just make up new laws whenever he feels like it. What I just described is easily some tin pot dictatorship half way around the world. Yet, it is happening here. WHERE THE FUCK IS THE MILITARY? Where are the generals? Are they all just liberal fascists now? How can this be allowed!? They are the only ones who can stop it!

Posted by: Dan at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (COpZ4)

121 So, are we close to the narcissistic breakdown yet?

I keep hoping...

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (25HWz)

122 The whole, "deny access" thing. What to these idiots think will happen when LIV says to doc at the free clinic,"what do I do now, I can't get BC?" and they are told, you can get BC, what type do you want? Besides, the really LIV don't bother with that stuff anyway.

Posted by: Jen at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (3PBRb)

123  I am inspired to write about the burning times, and I have the entire Rube Goldberg apparatus all set up and primed, but I just can't find the one thing, the triggering event, the point at which there is no return, the bridge too far, the thing that brings the mob out into the street.

What has to happen? Where is that point that is too far? The last straw. The Straw that breaks the camel's back.

Where? Where? Is it when time has expired and the band refuses to leave the playing field?

Posted by: Julius T. Rathburn at June 30, 2014 04:23 PM (fm0RL)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

Probably when he disses Rihana, or one of the Kardashians.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (zCHYT)

124 Obama didn't publish anything. How is he a "constitutional scholar"? He's isn't even a "nothing" scholar.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (p7823)

125 Fuck Jug Ears is no TV AGAIN?   Thank God everyone is on the road and can not see him.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 11:31 AM (0FSuD)

126 Remember when he told immigration loons that he couldn't act unilaterally? You know before the last election.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 11:32 AM (659DL)

127 "Congress has been largely passive or, worse, complicit in the draining of legislative authority." Congress has been at a disadvantage in the past, what is different today is the media. The mainstream, or rather a majority of media, have completely abandoned their duty and got in bed with this administration. When the history of this period is written some time down the road the greatest condemnation will be assigned to the current writers of history's first draft.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 11:32 AM (FHppK)

128 Also, Hitler did not have a teleprompter and was a compelling speaker.

/just pointing out another way Preezy Commie has screwed us. He's not even entertaining...

Posted by: shibumi who is exceptionally cynical today at June 30, 2014 11:32 AM (25HWz)

129 THis is how most dictators arise -- not through coups, but through the expansion of a legitimate office. Posted by: zombie ------------------------ "One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." -- George Orwell, 1984

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 11:33 AM (/GgDU)

130 I agree that the SC should weigh in on executive actions that clearly violate the law, but can't any federal court put a hold on those actions? Or is it that stupid rule about standing once again?
 
We have 25% of the world's lawyers. (Yikes) Bury his ass in paperwork, guys and gals.
 
Also, take away his budget. And definitely do not give him the $2 billion he is seeking; come on, you know exactly how he will spend it regardless of what ever he says he will do with it. He will spend that money to embed these illegals in our country as permanently as possible.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 30, 2014 11:33 AM (cHZB7)

131 All of this was said before. In Spanish. By Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (659DL)

132 This is just a negotiating position for Obama.

He knows he's not getting legislative action, so now he's taking this uber-extreme position that he's going to enact it on his own.

It annoys Republicans and Conservatives (eg, see comments in this thread above), it gets press, and it energizes (what's left of) his base.   No downside.

Bluntly, I don't think he's stupid enough to actually TRY to hand out permanent residency, or amnesty to illegals, but if he wants to try that, AND get smacked down again by the SCOTUS, AND ensure a Republican POTUS, Senate, AND House next cycle, he can try it.

Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (6Q9g2)

133 Probably when he disses Rihana, or one of the Kardashians. Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 04:31 PM (zCHYT) Done that. He won't let his girls watch my show

Posted by: Kim Kardashian at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (W6iIX)

134 Two phrases come to mind, original for both in French: "I Am The State" and "After Me, The Flood".

Posted by: filbert at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (roTS7)

135 Joffrey Obama

Posted by: Sunny at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (U91AS)

136 You know what is most depressing about all this.



His fucking whining.  Always has to have HIS way.   He doesn't like hearing no.



Barry, SUCK MY DICK.    Oh, wait, that Reggie's job, never mind.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (0FSuD)

137 Clearly, the military should remove Obama. This is beyond the pale. We don't have dictators in America, but Obama says he is one. Posted by: Dan at June 30, 2014 04:20 PM (COpZ4) Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (yz6yg)

138

Ace, I'm disappointed. I thought for sure this would get another "Obama To America: Suck My Dick" headline! 

 

I think he's kinda cute now, gettin' all stompy-feet and issuing empty threats.  It must suck knowing you are a lame duck, the Supreme Court has just kicked your ass hard four times in one week, and your party is about to get its collective ass handed to it by the voters. 

 

I don't think he is gonna do much here.  Just a lot of bloviating to appease the La Raza crowd.  If there was more he could do unilaterally he would have done it already. 

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (Q4elb)

139 You mean, when I wanted to reform Social Security and Congress "refused to act" all I had to do was say "Make it so?" or better yet, "So let it be written, so let it be done."

Posted by: W at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (F78Il)

140

75 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result.

 

Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (AYolx)

141 Obama is to the constitution as Jay Culter is to professional quarterbacks Only if Jay is trying to throw picks (as a Donks fan, I often wondered). Barky does lots of dumb shit, but he knows when he has his hand under the Constitution's skirt. It's hard to be an Accidental Tyrant.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 11:34 AM (QKIQb)

142 Never forget that Adolph Hitler was duly elected Chancellor and from there assigned to himself ever-expanding powers.

---

Not to go all Cliff Claven on you..... but ...... Hitler was never elected to anything.... he was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg...

Posted by: President Shake-Weight at June 30, 2014 11:35 AM (nELVU)

143 Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. In many ways, this sums up isn't this the story of Barack Obama.? FIFY

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 30, 2014 11:35 AM (DQZLr)

144 When they wrote the Constitution they had pens, but no phones! I win.

Posted by: Hussein the Magnificent at June 30, 2014 11:35 AM (wAQA5)

145 Isn't refusing -- ie. not acting -- like itself a choice?

Posted by: Admiral Byng at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (Xv7f/)

146 I'd love to know what precedent people are using to assume this is all just an act and he wouldn't really do it. He already is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (zfY+H)

147 Obama is to the Constitution as Seth Myers is to Talk Show Hosts.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (32Ze2)

148 Shit talk:
http://tinyurl.com/ncgdfle

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (DL2i+)

149 What I'm saying is that Obama is a punk for even suggesting unilaterally changing immigration policy, but its probably worth pausing the hyperventilating to see what he actually *DOES*.

This may well be another case of grand speechifying with zero meaningful action.

Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (6Q9g2)

150 As long as the hoi polloi can safely travel to the local market to get their bread and return to their homes to be entertained by the Alphabet Circuses, there will be no change in the status quo. This Republic is awaiting her Sulla and his Legions of Oathkeepers to end the experiment and complete the cycle.

Posted by: goozer at June 30, 2014 11:36 AM (YrODG)

151 I am the point now where I view Obama as a spoiled brat who knows that his parents, the media, will let him get away with anything as a criticism of him means a criticism of them. You all know the sort of parents I'm talking about, you've met them at school sports events, at family gatherings, shopping centres etc.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (FHppK)

152 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result.
And Fuck You right back.

Posted by: DaveA at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (DL2i+)


Since we're going to re-fight the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression in the comments, again, we should do this as a practical exercise:

Topic for Discussion:  If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today, based on man-power, arms, fighting ability, and financial prowess, who would win?  The Northern, or the Southern states?

Think of it as an expanded Crossbow v. Longbow discussion.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (TM1p8)

153 "One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship." -- George Orwell, 1984 Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 04:33 PM (/GgDU) Or, in the lexicon of socialism, fundamental change.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (BZAd3)

154 We're approaching a tipping point where most news stories will be computer generated. Engadget @engadget The Associated Press welcomes its robot journalist overlords http://engt.co/1m3mM5Q AP will announce Monday that it plans to use automation technology from a company called Automated Insights to produce stories about earnings reports. The software means that "instead of providing 300 stories manually, we can provide up to 4,400 automatically for companies throughout the United States each quarter," AP Managing Editor Lou Ferrara writes in a Q&A.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (ZPrif)

155 87 "L'etat! C'est moi!!" Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at June 30, 2014 04:24 PM (YFFpo) Missed this earlier. C'est le moron.

Posted by: filbert at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (roTS7)

156 The only thing that will bother this JEF is if an A-Lister disses him.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (IXrOn)

157 "Congress has been largely passive or, worse, complicit in the draining of legislative authority."

GULP NOM SNARF BELCH GOBBLE FART SCARF.

Whut?

NOM FART GOBBLE SCARF BELCH SNARF GULP.

Posted by: Beltway Republicans, At The Trough at June 30, 2014 11:37 AM (noWW6)

158 Did Sulla have take this sort of crap? No! And neither will I.
***
Isn't Barky more a Marius then a Sulla?

Though at least in the final stages of Republican Rome the dictators and wanna be dictators were at least impressive men that hold hold a sword without poking themselves in the eye...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2014 11:38 AM (78TbK)

159 Somebody must have told Obama that he should think about putting down the fiddle for a few hours.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 11:38 AM (BZAd3)

160 To moderately revise my comment below: Obama is to the Constitution as I am to reaching the second shelf in the kitchen.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at June 30, 2014 11:38 AM (mf5HN)

161 I'd love to know what precedent people are using to assume this is all just an act and he wouldn't really do it. He already is.
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I'm sure I can come up with a long list of things Obama has speechified but not actually done, but as a first one, is Guantanamo closed or open?

And that one, he CAN unilaterally order to be closed. . .he does have the authority there.





Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (6Q9g2)

162 140 75 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result. Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'. There were only two. The first one caused a war that destroyed an entire generation of males. It also inflicted colonialism of half the US for 13 years. Not happy times. Now we have Obama. Ergo - rule #1.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (oDCMR)

163 SCOAMT - The Power Borrower

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (BZAd3)

164 136. Barry, SUCK MY DICK. Oh, wait, that Reggie's job, never mind. Reggie sucks your dick? Way to just come blasting out of the closet

Posted by: Ncj at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (LzKGJ)

165 Not to go all Cliff Claven on you..... but ...... Hitler was never elected to anything.... he was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg...

Posted by: President Shake-Weight

 

_____________________________________________________

 

Derrigibles handing out political positions is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical doomed blimp.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (eEBON)

166 Not like there's anyone to stop him...

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (Tj+s6)

167 Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (AYolx)


See my comment at 152.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (TM1p8)

168

'AP will announce Monday that it plans to use automation technology"

But will they be able to model Eleanor Clift's pungent and powerful low-tide smell and those teeth that look like they were pulled for a decaying piece of delicious road-kill?

Only then, will they have credibility.




Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bonehead liberal at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (xggaJ)

169 Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (FHppK) I don't understand your nic...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (IXrOn)

170 At some point, even most of the donks, (well, we'll exclude Pelosi and Reid because they are mentally ill) will say, enough. They see what dear leader is doing to their party and there isn't a donk in the bunch that is going to sacrifice themselves for King Barky and his parade of temper tamtrum exec. orders. Orders that either can be nullifed by a court or overturned by the next pres.

Posted by: Jen at June 30, 2014 11:39 AM (3PBRb)

171 Think about how stupid this is: Obama is claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power (rather than the exercise of it), and then that power flows precisely to the President. From the same minds which brought you the argument that someone not paying for something for you = denying you access to that something...

Posted by: elaine at June 30, 2014 11:40 AM (Y0Piu)

172

All of this was said before. In Spanish. By Hugo Chavez.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (659DL)

 

And in Chinese by Mao Zedong.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:40 AM (o44nj)

173 "142. Not to go all Cliff Claven on you..... but ...... Hitler was never elected to anything.... he was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg..." *** Er... I beg to differ ....Hitler's party won a majority of the seats in the Reichstag... Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler to be Chancellor followed.

Posted by: Cliff Claven at June 30, 2014 11:40 AM (Xv7f/)

174 I think he's kinda cute now, gettin' all stompy-feet and issuing empty threats. It must suck knowing you are a lame duck, the Supreme Court has just kicked your ass hardfour times in one week, and your party is about to get its collective ass handed to it by the voters. Nothing's getting handed to the Dem party except more power. They've won on every policy issue. They control the media, academia, bureaucracy, and soon the military. Congress is impotent and the GOP wants cash and slave labor from south of the border. Obama can issue whatever EOs he wants. He knows they will be enforced and no one will punish him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:40 AM (fgFGe)

175 Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'.

Heh. Another US President that wiped his ass with the Constitution.

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 11:40 AM (LZKvb)

176 ith zero meaningful action.

He already caused the current crisis through rumor and unenforcement and who knows what else.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (DL2i+)

177 Alternate Headline: "Let me do that thing in your mouth, or I will do that thing in your mouth."

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (t06LC)

178

154 We're approaching a tipping point where most news stories will be computer generated.

 

Like...Max Headroom?

 

So now they will be able to Lie to us anonymously.

And blame it all on 'computer malfunction'.

 

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (AYolx)

179 I think he's kinda cute now, gettin' all stompy-feet and issuing empty threats. It must suck knowing you are a lame duck, the Supreme Court has just kicked your ass hardfour times in one week, and your party is about to get its collective ass handed to it by the voters.

I don't think he is gonna do much here. Just a lot of bloviating to appease the La Raza crowd. If there was more he could do unilaterally he would have done it already.

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (Q4elb)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

Never ever underestimate the enemy.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (zCHYT)

180 2008-2010, Obama and his minions had control of Congress, but "failed" to act on immigration "reform." Has he ever addressed that?

Posted by: LASue at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (ytSri)

181 Topic for Discussion: If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today, based on man-power, arms, fighting ability, and financial prowess, who would win? The Northern, or the Southern states? Well, Thad Cochran would betray you all...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (fgFGe)

182 L'Etat, c'est moi, racist wingnuts.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at June 30, 2014 11:42 AM (bbIM0)

183 >>Topic for Discussion: If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today, based on man-power, arms, fighting ability, and financial prowess, who would win? The Northern, or the Southern states?

Without going into terrible detail, I'd think the South would be in a better position today then 150 years ago.  Its got better manufacturing capability and infrastructure now, let alone actual military experience.

The experiment can't really be done; there are a lot more States in the Union now then the ones that fought the US Civil war.  Which sides are those states going to go on?  (Or will they be totally neutral)?


Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:42 AM (6Q9g2)

184 I don't know what else to say. This is an impeachable offense.
___
Don't you dare do there Barry. I'll do it this time I swear.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh that was great.

Seriously though, when are we getting some brews and looking at some tea party tax returns?

Posted by: John Boehner at June 30, 2014 11:42 AM (78TbK)

185 Sports and business news are rapidly being automated. Anything that is mainly reporting some basic facts will soon be automated. Yahoo, AP, and the Guardian all admit they are doing it. Other companies are still keeping it a secret.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 11:42 AM (ZPrif)

186 171 Think about how stupid this is: Obama is claiming that Congress' choice not to pass a law constitutes an abandonment of constitutional power (rather than the exercise of it), and then that power flows precisely to the President. *** From the same minds which brought you the argument that someone not paying for something for you = denying you access to that something... *** "It's a tax".

Posted by: John Roberts at June 30, 2014 11:42 AM (Xv7f/)

187 'AP will announce Monday that it plans to use automation technology" Automated Press, then. Socialists will love the opportunity to create the scripts.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:43 AM (p7823)

188 Currently, Bobo is introducing his choice to head the VA. My cynical thought is, "What's wrong with this guy?" because none of his appointments have been worth a bucket of warm spit.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 11:43 AM (kXoT0)

189 63 He's showing a lot of grey hair these days.



Huh. I thought that was mold.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 11:43 AM (8MjqI)

190 Oompa loompa doompadee dower,
Obama is clearly overreaching his power.
Oompa loompa doompadee dact,
But your drunker than me if you think that we'll act!

Posted by: John Boehner at June 30, 2014 11:43 AM (Svzrl)

191 2008-2010, Obama and his minions had control of Congress, but "failed" to act on immigration "reform." Has he ever addressed that?

Posted by: LASue at June 30, 2014 04:41 PM (ytSri)


Of course not.  And this fact will be spoken of exactly zero times forever more by our FYNQ Media.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (TM1p8)

192 #179  I don't think he is gonna do much here. Just a lot of bloviating to appease the La Raza crowd. If there was more he could do unilaterally he would have done it already.
===

Yeah, why is he talking about this?  If he's got the ability to act unilaterally, why hasn't he done so already?


Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (6Q9g2)

193 So, per Obama, when it comes to House action on legislation, "no" really means "yes"?

Posted by: Whoopi at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (Xv7f/)

194 The experiment can't really be done; there are a lot more States in the Union now then the ones that fought the US Civil war. Which sides are those states going to go on? (Or will they be totally neutral)? And the breakdown for the country's divide is city/rural, not north/south.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (fgFGe)

195 117  THis is how most dictators arise -- not through coups, but through the expansion of a legitimate office.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2014 04:30 PM (mizYg)



Hitler was never elected to any office.  He was "appointed".

Posted by: Vic[/i] at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (T2V/1)

196 Obama is to the Constitution as I am to reaching the second shelf in the kitchen.

I bet you know what you can't do or realize and get the appropriate tools or help quickly vs. fall over while ISIS takes over the dishwasher and then blame someone not in the room.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (DL2i+)

197 At the Free Beacon: The Billings Gazette apparently apologized for its 2008 endorsement of Obama. I think a better headline is "Business in collapsing industry regrets shitting on its customers."

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (T0NGe)

198 I've been posting this in a few threads but it bears repeating I've never seen a President actually sowing chaos. Not just merely being ineffective and chaos happens like JFK or Carter, but actually waking up every day, putting finely creased pants on, giving one last glance in the mirror and saying, "What can I fuck up today?" This man is a menace.

Posted by: Kreplach at June 30, 2014 11:44 AM (3WP7V)

199 I think he's kinda cute now, gettin' all stompy-feet and issuing empty threats. It must suck knowing you are a lame duck, the Supreme Court has just kicked your ass hardfour times in one week, and your party is about to get its collective ass handed to it by the voters. I don't think he is gonna do much here. Just a lot of bloviating to appease the La Raza crowd. If there was more he could do unilaterally he would have done it already. Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (Q4elb) In his speech, he petulantly chided the GOP about their fear of the midterms--project we much, Bobo?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (kXoT0)

200 Were the American revolutionaries mostly country men, or city men?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (p7823)

201

180 2008-2010, Obama and his minions had control of Congress, but "failed" to act on immigration "reform." Has he ever addressed that?

 

Hell, the Dems took control of Congress in 2006.

They could've pass 'immigration reform'...and Bush would've signed it.

 

Dubya loved him some Amnesty, remember.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (AYolx)

202 Topic for Discussion: If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today, based on man-power, arms, fighting ability, and financial prowess, who would win? The Northern, or the Southern states?

Think of it as an expanded Crossbow v. Longbow discussion.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (TM1p

 

South. Its where all the guns are. And the people to use them.

 

Texas by itself has like the number 9 GDP in the world. Right around Russia. Plus, where are you Yankees going to get your gas as most of the refineries are on the gulf coast?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (t06LC)

203 So, per Obama, when it comes to House action on legislation, "no" really means "yes"?
___
Is it my fault Boehner wears those really short skirts?

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (78TbK)

204 Yeah, why is he talking about this? If he's got the ability to act unilaterally, why hasn't he done so already? He's hoping to scare the right and get them to fold and give in.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:45 AM (Vz5qP)

205 I have watched two Bobo speeches today, where do I go to sign up for compensation for grievous mental damage?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (kXoT0)

206

#174 I think you give him WAY too much credit.  He hasn't won on very much at all, and he utterly failed to mau-mau the House into passing an immigration bill.  He's going to be the lamest lame duck of all time in a few months. 

 

I honestly don't know what should happen on immigration, but at least the Senate bill is not going anywhere and there isn't much of it that Obama can implement by EO.   People are feraking out too much about this.  A lot of what Obama is doing now is throwing some Hail Mary passes to try to energize the Democratic base to vote in November.  He's gonna lose on that too. 

 

Now he has a full fledged mess on his hands of his own making with the thousands of kids streaming over the border.  It's going to be his Katrina, all we have to do is sit and watch him flail away. 

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (Q4elb)

207 Were the American revolutionaries mostly country men, or city men?

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 04:45 PM (p7823)


Armed to the Fucking Teeth and Brave Men.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (TM1p8)

208 Looks like Michael Savage had better hurry up and release his book "Stop the Coming Civil War", or he's going to have to change the title to "Fuggedaboudit".

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (7HjKx)

209 So what will Barry do first? a) Borrow Congress power b) Work around SCOTUS c) Play another round of golf

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (GSIDW)

210 It also inflicted colonialism of half the US for 13 years.


And Fuck You again - ignore user

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (DL2i+)

211 Automated insights is the company. They just landed $5.5M in new funding. They describe their business (automated news) as "the presentation layer for Big Data". Automated Insights @AInsights 4h Excited to have @SteveCase as an investor as we build the presentation layer for #BigData! #RiseofRest http://ow.ly/yBYIO

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (ZPrif)

212 Oh, and if we refight the civil war today : the side which has John Boehner loses.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (fgFGe)

213

Topic for Discussion: If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today, based on man-power, arms, fighting ability, and financial prowess, who would win? The Northern, or the Southern states?

 

Think of it as an expanded Crossbow v. Longbow discussion.

 

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (TM1p

 

Countering the greater economic strength of the South is the fact that the rest of the world would be backing the North this time around (at least until it fulfilled its role as the Useful Idiot).

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:46 AM (o44nj)

214 Er... I beg to differ ....Hitler's party won a majority of the seats in the Reichstag... Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler to be Chancellor followed. Posted by: Cliff Claven No, the NASDP won a plurality of the votes in 1933, never a majority, and as is wont with a parliamentary democracy, the largest plurality gets to name the chancellor or prime minister or whatever they call it. Then fill out the government with some other party they ally with.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at June 30, 2014 11:47 AM (RFeQD)

215 "Obama didn't publish anything. How is he a 'constitutional scholar'? He's isn't even a 'nothing' scholar."

Also with regard to this "constitutional lawyer" business:

I know a retired guy who will tell you that he graduated from law school.

And that he then took and passed the bar, and was given a law licence, and he worked as a practicing lawyer for the next 45 years.

He then retired, withdrew from the bar, let his law license lapse, and, as he says, that means he's back to being merely a law school graduate. He is NOT A LAWYER any longer, he pointedly observes.

It'll never happen, of course, for the fan club masquerading as a White House press corps to ask any tough factual questions about precisely how and why Obama ceased to be a licensed lawyer. But oh, what fun that would be.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 11:47 AM (noWW6)

216 >>Obama is to the Constitution as I am to reaching the second shelf in the kitchen. Posted by: alexthechick Not really. I doubt you try to wipe your ass with the shelf liner.

Posted by: Aviator at June 30, 2014 11:47 AM (3rrMW)

217 >>> and then that power flows precisely to the President. Just how the Framers' designed it, huh?

Look, we all know the majority of the framers were cisgendered white southerners. And our first president owned slaves. Therefore their arguments are invalid!!!

Pajama boy justice, writ large. God help us all.

And I've seen toddlers throwing tantrums have more gravitas than our pajama boy in chief.

And AtC that twitter feed is deliciously hilarious!

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 11:47 AM (yRwC8)

218 >>The Associated Press welcomes its robot journalist overlords Does that mean we'll actually get the truth instead of propaganda? As in, economic reports based on statistics instead of all that "unexpectedly" spin?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2014 11:47 AM (D/504)

219 Countering the greater economic strength of the South is the fact that the rest of the world would be backing the North this time around (at least until it fulfilled its role as the Useful Idiot).

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (o44nj)

 

Pretty sure Mr. Putin would back the South as for nothing else to thumb its nose at Washington.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (t06LC)

220 I first looked at the caption from Fox under the Obama Video and thought it said: "Pres Obama: We going after golfers" That would actually make more sense, and he could get better Tee times.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding the comfy chair at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (RFeQD)

221 Do as I say or I'll do as I like. Not imperial at all.

Posted by: no good deed at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (w3a0Z)

222 209 So what will Barry do first?

a) Borrow Congress power
b) Work around SCOTUS
c) Play another round of golf

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (GSIDW)

 

I vote for (c).  It's all he is any good at. 

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (Q4elb)

223 Narrative Science is another competitor in the automated news game. They've raised $22M in venture funding.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (ZPrif)

224 I don't think he is gonna do much here. Just a lot of bloviating to appease the La Raza crowd. If there was more he could do unilaterally he would have done it already. Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (Q4elb) drudge headline President to gut interior enforcement of immigration laws...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (IXrOn)

225 #194

If you do a red/blue split, the vast majority of the geography by square miles is red.  Blue is only Northeast, West Coast, Great Lakes, a a few purple ones, that realistically wouldn't tip a war nor become "border" states. 

Blue is a lot more urban/centralized, which is quite a bit harder to defend during wartime.  But honestly, I don't even like doing this thought exercise.



 

Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:48 AM (6Q9g2)

226 If we re-fought the American Civil War/War of Northern Aggression today,
***
If it came to secession would there really be a war? The US has been clear for the last few decades that if you want independence you get it see Yugoslavia or East Timor.

I also think the left would have a lot of trouble building the case to persuade their young males to go risk dying in a war to bring back those evil Jesuslanders or preserve the Republic they believe is based on the original sin of racism.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (78TbK)

227 And the breakdown for the country's divide is city/rural, not north/south.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:44 PM (fgFGe)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

Rural vs. large metropolis is my take also.  To be honest, if it ever came to that, then that type of war is  rather simple to execute. 

 

A good old-fashioned seige would  take care of most of it.  Relatively bloodless too. 

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (zCHYT)

228 Think of it as an expanded Crossbow v. Longbow discussion.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (TM1p


Countering the greater economic strength of the South is the fact that the rest of the world would be backing the North this time around (at least until it fulfilled its role as the Useful Idiot).

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 04:46 PM (o44nj)


I agree, but this time the Southern soldiers would mostly have shoes and full sets of teeth, and probably on average would be much better armed.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (TM1p8)

229 I've come to the conclusion that Fredo likes to give public tantrums. He is very emotional. Maybe a class of warm milk and a good nap will make things better?

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (oDCMR)

230

Hell, the Dems took control of Congress in 2006.

They could've pass 'immigration reform'...and Bush would've signed it.

 

Dubya loved him some Amnesty, remember.

 

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 04:45 PM (AYolx)

 

Neither the Chamber nor the Rats want the underlying problem of an unenforced southern border resolved. They didn't really want it resolved in 2007, they didn't want it resolved in 2009, and they don't want it resolved now.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (o44nj)

231 I have a poison pen and a shoe phone.

Posted by: Maxwell Obama agent 86 at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (xWXYN)

232 I know a retired guy who will tell you that he graduated from law school. And that he then took and passed the bar, and was given a law licence, and he worked as a practicing lawyer for the next 45 years. He then retired, withdrew from the bar, let his law license lapse, and, as he says, that means he's back to being merely a law school graduate. He is NOT A LAWYER any longer, he pointedly observes. He is wrong. He went to law school. He is therefore...fruit of the poisonous tree.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (T0NGe)

233 "175 Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'. Heh. Another US President that wiped his ass with the Constitution. *** Not so fast. Lincoln understood well the limits of his Constitutional power. He did not just "free" all the slaves because respected the fact that the Constitution denied him that power except as a military necessity in his capacity as C in C. Read the Emancipation Proclamation. Much of it is a list of where it does not apply because there was no military necessity to free the slaves in those places and so the Constitution continued to protect the rights of the slave owners. It was only through the Constitutional amendment process and the enactment of the 13th Amendment that slavery was ended in law as well as in fact.

Posted by: Cliffy at June 30, 2014 11:49 AM (Xv7f/)

234 I know how to expedite the outcome to a civil war: Barksdale AFB in Louisiana has the largest nuclear weapons cache on the planet (that we know of). Seize the nukes, seize the initiative.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 30, 2014 11:50 AM (Ec6wH)

235 @ainsights: We just raised $5.5 million. AND we'll power reports for The Associated Press. BOOM! http://ow.ly/yA9d2 They only have 35 employees.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 11:50 AM (ZPrif)

236 Marius or Sulla? - tough call. Sulla's one of the few dictators who've ever "retired" voluntarily, but was a nasty piece of work. Marius enfranchised the Roman dole-wallas, so he gets the nod. North or South 2014 ? Depends on TX/FL vs. CA/NY/MA. I'm leaning TX/South. The Midwest used to be the breadbasket and engine of progress, now it's a welfare swamp - and I'm saying that as an OH expat. Instead of Grant & Sherman, we now have Boehner. Advantage - South.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 11:50 AM (QKIQb)

237 Rural vs. large metropolis is my take also. To be honest, if it ever came to that, then that type of war is rather simple to execute. A good old-fashioned seige would take care of most of it. Relatively bloodless too. Nothing in. Nothing out.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:50 AM (Vz5qP)

238 So by this logic the Feds' unwillness to take action to enforce immigration law at the border means Obama is ceding that power to the states, right?

Posted by: Bud Norton at June 30, 2014 11:50 AM (6cOMd)

239 >>Yeah, why is he talking about this? If he's got the ability to act unilaterally, why hasn't he done so already? I think he's also firing up the mobs - more marches on DC, more protest at legislator's homes and offices, more blue state governors and mayors acting unilaterally to ease the surge of illegals, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2014 11:51 AM (D/504)

240 The only consolation in this, I suppose, is that SCOAMF will botch his unconstitutional power-grabbing just as badly as he has botched everything else. And then get bored mid-way through and go play more golf instead.

Posted by: Stu-22 at June 30, 2014 11:51 AM (AiYlm)

241 Rural vs. large metropolis is my take also. To be honest, if it ever came to that, then that type of war is rather simple to execute. A good old-fashioned seige would take care of most of it. Relatively bloodless too. Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (zCHYT) NYC produces very little in the way of food. There are some farms on Long Island. But without daily shipments of huge amounts of food, NYC would quickly starve to death. It is particularly vulnerable because of geography. If the bridges and tunnels were gone, it would be hell.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 11:51 AM (kXoT0)

242 229 I've come to the conclusion that Fredo likes to give public tantrums. He is very emotional. Maybe a class of warm milk and a good nap will make things better? *** Or a few Hail Mary's ...

Posted by: Michael at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (Xv7f/)

243 "This idiot doesn't know how to negotiate, which is why his foreign policy is a disaster. The only thing that buoys his domestic policy are LIVs and a lapdog press." Yep, a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum. It's worked in the past and it will work this time. No, not a lapdog press, they are in charge.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (FHppK)

244 "Texas by itself has like the number 9 GDP in the world. Right around Russia. Plus, where are you Yankees going to get your gas as most of the refineries are on the gulf coast?"

I'll make sure that my Democratic friends in the federal government get plenty of gasoline from the refineries in my state.

Plus as much of that "walkin'-round money" that they want. Why, that stuff is purely magical. Can't say enough good things about it.

Posted by: U.S. Senil-ator Thad Cochran at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (noWW6)

245

@234

This is true. In a hypothetical war for secession, (as opposed to invading the north "a true Civil War") the north could never invade the south for that reason.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (t06LC)

246 torque Laws are for the little people.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (p7823)

247 This will probably get much worse

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (W6iIX)

248 140 75 Rule #1 - never elect legislators from Illinois President. You won't like the result.

Uh...I think Abraham Lincoln was a 'legislator from Illinois'.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 04:34 PM (AYolx)



You just trying to prove his point?  The election of Lincoln started the War of Northern Aggression.  More Americans died in that war that ALL the other wars we have fought COMBINED.


Just say no to Illinois candidates.


Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (0FSuD)

249

I agree, but this time the Southern soldiers would mostly have shoes and full sets of teeth, and probably on average would be much better armed.

 

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (TM1p

 

How many SM-3s will the Southern Navy have, because this thing will go nuclear just as soon as the winds are predicted to carry the fallout over DC and NYC.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:52 AM (o44nj)

250 206 #174 I think you give him WAY too much credit. He hasn't won on very much at all, and he utterly failed to mau-mau the House into passing an immigration bill. He's going to be the lamest lame duck of all time in a few months. He controls the debt ceiling unilaterally. He can wage war at will without congressional authorization. (Libya) He can direct the IRS to target his enemies. He can direct the EPA to shut down coal plants. He can choose to simply not defend certain laws to judicial challenges. He can gather information on any person. His DHS can stockpile ammunition. He is immune to prosecution. He has a media that reads his talking points. He has a base willing to attack for him. He has an activist judiciary willing to cover for him. He can undertake any action without fear of repercussion. Obama is a dictator in all but name.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (fgFGe)

251

192...Yeah, why is he talking about this? If he's got the ability to act unilaterally, why hasn't he done so already?

 

Because there's always been one more Election to worry about.

 

That's why he's issued Waivers and Delays in OclusterfuckCare.

 

But now...he doesn't seem to give a shit.

This strikes me as the beginning of a 'dangerous time', when TFG no longer considers himself constrained...by anything.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (AYolx)

252 He's already taken action on immigration via FHS - they're escorting 10's of thousands from the border to the Greyhound station so they can go to the city of their choice? That pesky immigration hearing thingy? Just skip it. De facto amnesty.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (D/504)

253 I don't like the discussion either because I pray yhat it never happens, but many of those blue cities are surrounded by very, very red suburbs.  In Texas anyway.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (eEBON)

254 Nothing in. Nothing out.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 04:50 PM (Vz5qP)

 

 

-------------------------------------

 

 

Yup.  Let them enjoy their socialist utopia.  No mercy.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (zCHYT)

255 Joe Biden is trying to do Patton's 'War Face' in that picture.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (F9cs4)

256 >>South. Its where all the guns are. And the people to use them.

The North still has plenty of small arms and ammo manufacturing capability (eg Colt is still in CT).   Does the population of the South exceed that of the North?  Where is the air power?

>>Texas by itself has like the number 9 GDP in the world. Right around Russia. Plus, where are you Yankees going to get your gas as most of the refineries are on the gulf coast?

Who has the naval power?  Having the refineries is one thing, but defending them another.

By the way, I'm just being Devil's advocate here.  I don't really know the "answer" to the question, because I think its exceptionally complicated.  Advantages in infrastructure don't always turn into military victory, that depends on any number of things, including (and especially) leadership, PR, and "stomach".

Posted by: looking closely at June 30, 2014 11:53 AM (PwGfd)

257 Yeah, why is he talking about this? If he's got the ability to act unilaterally, why hasn't he done so already? He wants pity.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (IXrOn)

258

#224 And Drudge never, ever engages in hyperbole, does he? 

 

I used to freak out about this sort of thing too.  But I gradually realized that Obama's bark is way worse than his bite.  I think he is a stone cold liar so I don't believe anything he says will actually happen.  He just makes shit up based on whatever he thinks will either (a) excite his base, or (b) get the media distracted from something else that is bad for him.  He is totally flailing now.

 

This guy is flying by the seat of his pants.  Don't give him so much credit for being an Evil Mastermind Wannabe Hitler Dictator Who's Gonna Destroy America.  He's just not that good.  

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (Q4elb)

259 Texas by itself has like the number 9 GDP in the world. Right around Russia. Plus, where are you Yankees going to get your gas as most of the refineries are on the gulf coast?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 04:45 PM (t06LC)

Normally I would say  the south hands down, but the govt has been military weaponizing/SWAT teaming the police, while simultaneously infantilizing the military. They are gearing up for something and they don't plan to lose, I can tell you that much.

Great, in the past I would say that a US president would never, ever, ever ever launch nukes at his own people, but I have the feeling that if push came to shove preezy of steezy would not hesitate to put a giant mushroom clouded crater right in the heart of Texas.

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (yRwC8)

260 At Weasel Zippers ISIS has video mocking TFG asking him if he prepared enough diapers for his soldiers.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (gjOCp)

261

Obama is a dictator in all but name.

 

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 30, 2014 04:53 PM (fgFGe)

 

Teh SCOAMT also lacks the military background to actually be called a dictator (unless, of course, you add a 'k').

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (o44nj)

262 I'm going to re-watch Red Dawn. This time use it as a training video
rather than entertainment.

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (LZKvb)

263 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. How are you going to lay seige to the city of New York? Block all the highways, docks, and the airport? They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (zfY+H)

264

@249

That's the thing about nukes, all the southerners would really need is one.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:54 AM (t06LC)

265 #manofconstantsorrow

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:55 AM (6/J77)

266

@263

 

You saw what Sandy did? That shit was on accident. Think Dark Knight Rises.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 11:55 AM (t06LC)

267

Great, in the past I would say that a US president would never, ever, ever ever launch nukes at his own people, but I have the feeling that if push came to shove preezy of steezy would not hesitate to put a giant mushroom clouded crater right in the heart of Texas.

 

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (yRwC

 

He'll leave that for the Russians and ChiComs.  Plausible deniability, even though they'll wait until they can coat DC and NYC with the fallout.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 11:55 AM (o44nj)

268 Pinochet stepped down voluntarily.

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 11:55 AM (8MjqI)

269 Bevel His term will expire. There will be a new President. And after a few plum gigs on the lecture circuit, he'll be swanning around the UN.

Posted by: Feh at June 30, 2014 11:56 AM (p7823)

270 How many SM-3s will the Southern Navy have, because this thing will go nuclear just as soon as the winds are predicted to carry the fallout over DC and NYC.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 04:52 PM (o44nj)


Well, since the Atlantic fleet is located in Norfolk VIRGINIA, I'd say the question would be, You Yankees have ANY navy?  Name a Naval base North of DC?  Annapolis?

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 11:56 AM (0FSuD)

271 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. How are you going to lay seige to the city of New York? Block all the highways, docks, and the airport? They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (zfY+H)..........

 

 

I will take my chances

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 11:56 AM (6/J77)

272

248...You just trying to prove his point? The election of Lincoln started the War of Northern Aggression.

 

I didn't realize we were re-fighting the Civil War...again.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 11:56 AM (AYolx)

273 If you're talking about having a 'stomach' for war, how many Beslans would the North have to endure before they'd retch?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2014 11:57 AM (AC0lD)

274 The President has refused to act like a President in a Constitutional Republic and, therefore, circumstances require that we in the Congress ummm...."borrow" executive authority for a little while. We will give it back shortly, when were done using it!

Posted by: Congress at June 30, 2014 11:57 AM (LPlQQ)

275 "Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 04:37 PM (FHppK) I don't understand your nic..." I'm allergic to caffeine.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 11:57 AM (FHppK)

276 He always goes with the "urgency to act now" and I am truly sick of it. He did it when he wanted the billion $ Stimulus because people were out of work. Erected huge highway signs advertising "Americans at Work", but there was no construction to be seen. Later admitted that there were no "shovel ready" jobs. He did it with Obamacare - "Have to act now!!" To call this mess half-assed would be too complimentary. Now he's orchestrated this mob of illegals crowding in, so once again, urgent action must be taken.

Posted by: nevadaette at June 30, 2014 11:57 AM (UdicD)

277 #270 Bath Iron Works in Maine makes some of our warships.  I thought the nuclear subs were made in Connecticut too.

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 11:58 AM (Q4elb)

278 I didn't realize we were re-fighting the Civil War...again. Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (AYolx) Da fuq?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 11:58 AM (yz6yg)

279 I'm allergic to caffeine. Posted by: Decaf Just shoot me.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 30, 2014 11:58 AM (Vz5qP)

280 I also think the left would have a lot of trouble building the case to persuade their young males to go risk dying in a war to bring back those evil Jesuslanders or preserve the Republic they believe is based on the original sin of racism. Posted by: 18-1 at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (78TbK)

What do you mean hashtag diplomacy won't win us the war?!?!?!?!

Posted by: LIV Millenial lemmings, looking up blearily from their smart phones and tablets at June 30, 2014 11:58 AM (yRwC8)

281 "I didn't realize we were re-fighting the Civil War...again."

WAIT!!!! STOP!!!

::: pops huge bowl of popcorn :::

::: settles in with feet up :::

::: steeples fingers :::

You may proceed.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 11:59 AM (noWW6)

282 Some people fight the civil war every day in their heads. Its really tiring but it never goes away.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 11:59 AM (zfY+H)

283 I'm sure this has been said fifteen times, but Obama is only half of the problem.  The other half lies with the GOP, who refuses to do anything to stop this guy.

We are lost as a nation if the opposition party will not stop a tyrant.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at June 30, 2014 11:59 AM (GrtrJ)

284 Colt has opened a factory in SC.  They will eventually abandon CT.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at June 30, 2014 11:59 AM (T2V/1)

285 Nip, do you still consider Virginia a southern state?

Posted by: bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 11:59 AM (8MjqI)

286

Well, since the Atlantic fleet is located in Norfolk VIRGINIA, I'd say the question would be, You Yankees have ANY navy? Name a Naval base North of DC? Annapolis?

 

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 04:56 PM (0FSuD)

 

Groton, Connecticut, the Atlantic home of attack subs, which will prove very useful because the current USN can't find a submarine with surface/air assets if their lives depended upon it.

 

Oh, and the ObamiNation will have the entirety of PacFlt if the Navy breaks down along geographic lines (a very big "if").

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (o44nj)

287 Remington moved to AL I think

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (W6iIX)

288 224 And Drudge never, ever engages in hyperbole, does he? Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (Q4elb) if you went to the NRO link (from drudge), you'll see he has already taken action, that was my point he's not bluffing

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (IXrOn)

289

I much prefer the carpet vs. hardwood war.

 

#teamcarpet

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (eEBON)

290

@284

 

FN is already in SC.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (t06LC)

291 Tyrant in Chief [TIC]

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (mqL8z)

292 Derrigibles handing out political positions is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical doomed blimp.

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 04:39 PM (eEBON)


Thread. Freaking. Winner.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2014 12:00 PM (3Cgo9)

293 Almost all modern wars are about seizing the centers of power -- ie the cities. The Left already has them. Rural power is overestimated.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (ZPrif)

294  The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. How are you going to lay seige to the city of New York? Block all the highways, docks, and the airport? They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (zfY+H)

 

 

------------------------------------------

 

 

Inner city tribalism  will staunch any such reaction from the large cities.  People demanding that they get their's first before any weapons are produced.  In the meantime, the food supplies  dwindle........

 

They'll be killing themselves long before any action can be taken outside their city's limit. 

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (zCHYT)

295 Does my Republican party have anything to offer except obstruction, cynicism and extremism? Middle-class folks deserve better.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (Ks4nX)

296 Wow, the fucking liberals heads are exploding.  Local paper has more liberal trolls than ever.   I love the old women who are upset, like they still need birth control pills.



Their tears are a delicious.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (0FSuD)

297 But for my part I'm a whole lot less concerned with rhetorically or otherwise refighting Civil War I, as I am with working out some means of peaceful secession to prevent the now increasingly likely Civil War II.

An amicable Czechoslovak style "Velvet Divorce" has to be the model to strive for.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (noWW6)

298 I'm allergic to caffeine. Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 04:57 PM (FHppK) sad

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 12:01 PM (IXrOn)

299 Rural power is overestimated.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (ZPrif)


Well, raise your own fucking food in the city.  Good luck.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (0FSuD)

300 249 I agree, but this time the Southern soldiers would mostly have shoes and full sets of teeth, and probably on average would be much better armed. Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 04:49 PM (TM1p How many SM-3s will the Southern Navy have, because this thing will go nuclear just as soon as the winds are predicted to carry the fallout over DC and NYC. ------ No. If we had the first American Civil War (the first one was just installment two of the English Civil War) it would look a lot like Argentina's Dirty War. A whole lot of disappearing and IEDs aimed at the middle bureaucracy of the Fed. No need to invade all that is required is terror and doubt. Oh yeah, it should be fought on the other guys turf this time.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (oDCMR)

301 As despicable as the Dems are, all of this boils down to the the even more despicable MSM that makes this possible with their idiotic parroting of talking points, twisting of Republican/conservative views (if they even bother to cover them) and complete failure/refusal to seriously analyze where all these govt. programs and spending are taking us,   This has been going on for decades and we are sliding into a third world hellhole because of ther biases.  I used to think the MSM was the propgnada arm of the Dems.  As bad as it has become lately, I think it tactfully  the other way around.  .It is the Dems that are the political arm of the MSM

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (1BQGO)

302 They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people.

Which makes the seizure of nukes earlier on in such hypothetical situation all the more important.

Of course we're both kidding here. The urban rats are the same people who gave up on Iraq because the offensive slowed down for a sandstorm. I don't think they have a month of fight in them if they can actually hear the bombs falling.

Posted by: MSNBC at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (hO9ad)

303

An amicable Czechoslovak style "Velvet Divorce" has to be the model to strive for.

 

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (noWW6)

 

The Lieberal Left will never let that happen.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (o44nj)

304

@286

 

I don't think it'd be geographic lines. You'd have a lot of Robert E Leeing with soldiers going either their conscience or home state. I think on balance the south would fare better there.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (t06LC)

305 I'm going to change my name to Nostradamus because I predicted this shit with crystal clarity back when King Putz showed up on the scene. Everything. The ineptness and the Caesar edicts. And I'm not proud I predicted. My couldn't my prophecy involve a lottery ticket?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (oFCZn)

306 283 We are lost as a nation if the opposition party will not stop a tyrant. Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod (tm) at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (GrtrJ) Its about time the GOP rose up and started to counter this shit. To hell with campaigning and elections. Fight fire with fire. Hold back checks, go over his head and demand ICE do their job, etc...... Are we at the tipping point or have we tipped?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (HVff2)

307 People keep mentioning his alleged college grades and the reasons for their concealment. They aren't hidden. It's not necessary to hide that which does not exist. The Organized Left created this weapon against our republic; they properly indoctrinated him gave him the Ivy paperwork. This seemed outside the realm of reality only a year ago. Not anymore.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (36Rjy)

308 never mind, it wasn't Colt that moved here.  It was FN.  Currently there are 5 fire arm manufactures in SC.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (T2V/1)

309 297 I have a feeling we are in for a Hotel California situation, where we are told we can check out but we can never leave.

Posted by: Austin Danger Powers at June 30, 2014 12:02 PM (8Vz1K)

310 287 Remington moved to AL I think

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (W6iIX)


Shut down upstate NY plant moved it to Huntsville.  They are HQed in NC.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:03 PM (0FSuD)

311 Wait a minute, the House already passed an immigration bill that is sitting on Pederast's desk. So can they just assume its Law now in our newly transformed America?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at June 30, 2014 12:03 PM (9Bdcz)

312 Rural power is overestimated.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

-------------------------------------

 

 

Rural power in the US really is power.  Just because we  don't have enough votes to overcome the cities doesn't mean we can't make city dwellers' lives a living hell.

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (zCHYT)

313

@300

 

Anyone ever read that short story about the dictator that came out a year or two ago? A view from the revolution or something like that?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (t06LC)

314 Colt has opened a factory in SC. They will eventually abandon CT.

Posted by: Vic at June 30, 2014 04:59 PM (T2V/1)


Remington moved to AL I think

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 05:00 PM (W6iIX)


And Beretta moving to just outside Nashville.  Plus Barrett outside Nashville (in Murfreesboro) and Glock already in Georgia.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (3Cgo9)

315 We are lost as a nation if the opposition party will not stop a tyrant. Wait! What?

Posted by: John McVain at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (LPlQQ)

316 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. -- yup

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

317 Obama sounds a lot like Hugo Chavez, doesn't he? http://tinyurl.com/oeobw9x

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (aUKXb)

318 The coup happened in 2008.

Posted by: Full Circle at June 30, 2014 12:04 PM (0GQLg)

319 GOPe is getting EXACTLYwhat they want now- amnesty by decree. They won't be tainted by allowing Barky to instigate amnesty; they'll be able to point and say 'see? we can't stop him- the Dems in the Senate won't let us!' and they get the amnesty they and the US CoC wants anyway. We're fucked either way this goes on. Let it burn. Scatter the bones- not the stones.

Posted by: Mr Wolf at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (fxw+S)

320 304 @286

I don't think it'd be geographic lines. You'd have a lot of Robert E Leeing with soldiers going either their conscience or home state. I think on balance the south would fare better there.


The percentage of officers from the NE is small.  Most from South and Midwest.


There is not ONE ROTC course available in all of NYC.  Powell, now, would not have been able to join the ROTC.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (0FSuD)

321

If cities are so great...then why do city people have 'bug out bags' for when the shtf?

 

Where are the city people planning to 'bug out'...to?

Other cities?

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (AYolx)

322 >>> Groton, Connecticut, the Atlantic home of attack subs

I have been there! They have a very good naval museum in the area with a sub you can walk through. One of their exhibits highlighted the Turtle, the world's first submersible, which I thoroughly enjoyed. Also nearby is a yankee version of Colonial Williamsburg. Fun times. /historynerdery

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (yRwC8)

323 Well, raise your own fucking food in the city. Good luck. You don't see a lot of power plants in city center, either.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (MMC8r)

324 Can not stand looking at that picture.

--

Same here.  As a matter of fact, I use AdBlock Plus: block image every time I see this bastar*d's face.  I just can't stomach looking at or listening to him without feeling pretty enraged. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (tsGZY)

325 Let's have the Civil War in Malibu. Lets level the place.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:05 PM (oDCMR)

326 Funny topic, war and cities. As Mrs VIA and I were traveling up to pick up Little VIA, we began to discuss urban populations, and the loss of electrical power, water, and natural gas. Mrs VIA was able to foresee the loss of about 5,000 Baltimore city residents in just the first 24 hours of a Grid Failure type event, where it would be known that it would be a week or longer to restore power.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 12:06 PM (0i5la)

327 "Groton, Connecticut, the Atlantic home of attack subs"

You have to wonder what the reaction would be in the superstitiously radiophobic liberal Northeast at the thought of an SSN or a boomer getting hit at quayside in port in Groton and losing reactor containment.

I suspect the locals would lose any hint of warlike sentiment right quick once that possibility is pointed out to them. Ack! Get those dangerous things _out of here_ this minute! Think of our real estate values!

Note that this is equally applicable to the sub base in Bangor, WA.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 12:06 PM (noWW6)

328 "I vote for (c). It's all he is any good at." How do we know he's any good at golf since there is no footage of his successes? That is as much a myth about him as is everything else.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 12:06 PM (FHppK)

329 Are we at the tipping point or have we tipped?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (HVff2)


It's the Navy's fault

Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson, Guam at June 30, 2014 12:06 PM (0FSuD)

330 There is not ONE ROTC course available in all of NYC. Powell, now, would not have been able to join the ROTC. Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 05:05 PM (0FSuD) Wrong. Fordham, St. Johns, just to name 2.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 12:07 PM (yz6yg)

331 People keep mentioning his alleged college grades and the reasons for their concealment. They aren't hidden. It's not necessary to hide that which does not exist. He has transcripts but, yes, he took a LOT of "seminar" classes which didn't involve any competitive grading, even in law school. Even though he probably has a few dud grades, I think the real reason they're hidden is the titles of courses. Pretty much everything he took must have "Marxist" somewhere.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 12:07 PM (T0NGe)

332 10's of thousands from the border to the Greyhound station

Once again living in BFE wins the prize.  No bus stations in this county.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at June 30, 2014 12:07 PM (ukadG)

333 Scotus Blog commentators- Poor babies can't pay for their own birth control?. Boo hoo hoo!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 30, 2014 12:07 PM (aUKXb)

334

Are we at the tipping point or have we tipped?

 

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (HVff2)

 

Let me get off my side before I answer that.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:08 PM (o44nj)

335 Number of people employed by Hobby Lobby: 21,000
Number of people employed by the IRS: 89,000

Who is the one the leftist thinks is a threat to American liberty and freedom?

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 30, 2014 12:08 PM (VjL9S)

336 316 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. -- yup Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, ---- Do you recall Boston Strong hiding in their homes for days because of one guy on the loose? C'mon.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:08 PM (oDCMR)

337 296 Wow, the fucking liberals heads are exploding. Local paper has more liberal trolls than ever. I love the old women who are upset, like they still need birth control pills.



Their tears are a delicious.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (0FSuD)

 

All this Chicken-Little crying is gonna make them look real stupid a year from now when there are like 5 women who work for Hobby Lobby that didn't get some abortion pill (or, more accurately, had to pay 10 bucks at CVS for their Plan B) and every other woman in America is completely unaffected.

 

But, of course, this was the entire point of the mandate - to create a new "right" to sell to dumb, gullible women and make the conservatives the meanies who want to take this right away from them.  Also it was deliberately intended to move the culture war away from abortion, where the Left is losing, to contraception, where they can win.

Posted by: rockmom at June 30, 2014 12:08 PM (Q4elb)

338 A city would be the absolute last place I'd want to be if SHTF. No power=no water. No water=very bad situation. Without modern technology, a city is not survivable for long.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:08 PM (t06LC)

339 Create a panic in NYC and the place seals itself off. Just sayin...

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (GSIDW)

340 On Lincoln, he violated the Constitution but handed the power back - Sulla same thing (albeit after his term long expired). War isn't a libertarian-friendly endeavor and representative democracies are pound-for-pound the worst at warfare. WWI and II might be cited as an exception but the Allied governments assumed war powers well outside Constitutional bounds. They just largely ceded them afterward. The trick is getting the fasces back from the dictator after his 6 months are up. For every Cincinnatus there are two Caesars. That said, I don't think any government can conduct itself in war within a strictly individual-right-respecting constitutional democracy framework. Constitutions are better off following Roman lead in recognizing a "war leader" with a defined term. We've been both lucky and vigilant in that regard - Lincoln was honorable, Wilson had a stroke, FDR was constrained by our strong liberty-oriented values and the fact that WWII was in many way more of an opportunity than crisis for us - instead of being the socialist savior of a war-wracked nation, he was "stuck" being the leader of a triumphant free society and, like Billy Jeff, chose to usurp credit for the achievements of the capitalism he fought tooth and nail.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (QKIQb)

341 @327

I'll see your CT base and raise you.  HQ of Atlantic fleet.



http://tinyurl.com/p9gzy67

Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson, Guam at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (0FSuD)

342 The cities can't even maintain order internally when their sports teams win. Short of citywide martial law, they'll burn every night as dusk.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (MMC8r)

343 Create a panic in NYC and the place seals itself off. Just sayin... Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (GSIDW) 72 hour rule

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (W6iIX)

344 Well, raise your own fucking food in the city. Good luck.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (0FSuD)



The lead content will be a little high, but our raised bed gardens will provide plenty of healthy, organic food for the masses.

Posted by: Urban hipsters at June 30, 2014 12:09 PM (8MjqI)

345 332 10's of thousands from the border to the Greyhound station Once again living in BFE wins the prize. No bus stations in this county. ------------ Is it time to go long Greyhound Stock or will the cost to delouse the buses wipe out the profits?

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (oDCMR)

346

@336

Or Hurricane (Tropical depression?) Sandy

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (t06LC)

347

You have to wonder what the reaction would be in the superstitiously radiophobic liberal Northeast at the thought of an SSN or a boomer getting hit at quayside in port in Groton and losing reactor containment.

 

I suspect the locals would lose any hint of warlike sentiment right quick once that possibility is pointed out to them. Ack! Get those dangerous things _out of here_ this minute! Think of our real estate values!

 

Note that this is equally applicable to the sub base in Bangor, WA.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2014 05:06 PM (noWW6)

 

The Atlantic Fleet boomers are down in Georgia.  Given most of the fighting on behalf of the ObamiNation will be conducted by foreigners, they won't give a flying fuck about what happens to Gorton or Bangor.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (o44nj)

348 Off Guam sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (0FSuD)

349 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. How are you going to lay seige to the city of New York? Block all the highways, docks, and the airport? They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people.Posted by: Christopher Taylor That is an extraordinarily foolish and shortsighted view. You really don't know what you are talking about. A number of very experienced military men have written extensively on 4th generation warfare tactics. The idea that Cokie Roberts, et. al. espoused in the 1990s of militant opposition : "It's just a bunch of White Men marching around in Militias" is beyond stupid. How did the Ukraine fall when they have so many tanks and just keyboard chickenhearts playing with their gun collections? Arab Spring? Sarajevo? Chile? Argentina? Nicaragua? Mexico in the '60s? They all had tanks that killed everyone while they plinked with their gun collection? You need to spend some time outside. There is a real world with real people out there.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (F/noB)

350 Do you recall Boston Strong hiding in their homes for days because of one guy on the loose? C'mon.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat

 

___________________________________________________

I remember people in Manhattan not knowing how to operate toilets without running water.  Yeah...

Posted by: Countrysquire, pulling for Pepe at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (eEBON)

351 Rural power in the US really is power. Just because we don't have enough votes to overcome the cities doesn't mean we can't make city dwellers' lives a living hell. Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 05:04 PM (zCHYT) I am not trying to oversimplify this. I have spent time in major urban centers and if all of their populace were bright, energetic, and engaged folks, then yes, their sheer numbers would be overwhelming. But, in fact, all urban centers have huge swathes of ghettos full of people who have no clue about life and survival. Those people rioting will be a big part of the cities downfall.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (kXoT0)

352 Has it occurred to anyone else that... -- Bergdahl/free Taliban are out of the news -- Benghazi is out of the news -- IRS scandal is out of the news We march to the beat of obama's drum.

Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-453 days left) at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (LATmp)

353 Well, raise your own fucking food in the city. Good luck.

You don't see a lot of power plants in city center, either.


No water, no food, no power in cities for a week=surrender, which will be accepted when the rest of us get around to it.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:10 PM (hO9ad)

354 Bridgegate II! and Tunnelgate!

Posted by: Bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 12:11 PM (8MjqI)

355 O/T Weasel Zippers has video of Palestinians attacking ambulance with three dead Israeli teenagers. I'm not going to watch it.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 12:11 PM (gjOCp)

356 "279 I'm allergic to caffeine. Posted by: Decaf Just shoot me." I am still allowed to smell it though. My husband knows to open a fresh jar of coffee only when I'm around so I can get the first whiff.

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 12:11 PM (FHppK)

357 All that would be required to take down any Big Blue City would be to attack the EBT card system. Shut it down and within 4 days the cities cease to exist.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:11 PM (oDCMR)

358 Create a panic in NYC and the place seals itself off. Just sayin...

I give them one week and they'll be eating the children and savaging each other with the bones. Sit back and watch.


Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (LZKvb)

359 I love the old women who are upset, like they still need birth control pills.Their tears are a delicious. Generally, these are single middle-aged-and-up women who view government as filling in for the husband they couldn't get/keep and caring for them in their older years (though some have meek little stepford husbands). I know quite a few of them (at a distance) and they're the soul of the hissing Left.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (MMC8r)

360

Cities are just warehouses for people.

They depend on all their resources being brought in to them.

 

Cut off the supply lines...and a City cannot survive by itself.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (AYolx)

361 _________________________________________________________________________

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (6/J77)

362 I'm all Italicians.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (oDCMR)

363 Put down the pipe people. Got to save the country we have or there will be hell to pay for everyone.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (F9cs4)

364 Shit.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (MMC8r)

365 72 hour rule Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 05:09 PM (W6iIX) -- What is that?

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (GSIDW)

366

@357

 

You diabolical bastard...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (t06LC)

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (W6iIX)

368 Grant me power Daybrother or I will seize him.

Posted by: The Barrel at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (Svzrl)

369 And I'm not proud I predicted. My couldn't my prophecy involve a lottery ticket? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (oFCZn)

Yeah yeah, little Ms. Cassandra, go get in that line over there, behind the other thousand ppl who predicted the same thing, and go collect your prize.

I keed We are out of free yearly AoS subscriptions and ampersand at the mo, but we could go hunt you down something from the barrel? That place always has interesting stuff lurking about.


Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (yRwC8)

370 Okay, who's going in the barrel for an unclosed italics tag?

Posted by: Bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 12:12 PM (8MjqI)

371 Yeah, barrel.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (MMC8r)

372

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Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (AYolx)

373 Proceed to room 101

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (6/J77)

374 drudge headline President to gut interior enforcement of immigration laws... Posted by: artisanal 'ette: go germany! at June 30, 2014 04:48 PM (IXrOn) +++++++++++++++++ Obama hasn't been enforcing immigration laws for some time now. That's one of the reasons for the recent border surge. They know Obama won't deport them, and won't enforce the laws that prohibit them from receiving taxpayer-funded benefits like food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, etc.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (I/vNo)

375

I don't think it'd be geographic lines. You'd have a lot of Robert E Leeing with soldiers going either their conscience or home state. I think on balance the south would fare better there.

 

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 05:02 PM (t06LC)

 

I strongly suspect that would be the case. However, I forgot to mention that the foreign involvement on behalf of the the ObamiNation will be much greater than it was on behalf of the South in the Civil War. I'll go so far as to say that the overall command structure of the ObamiNation/United Nations Army will not come from North America.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (o44nj)

376 On NY ROTC classes.  They just reinstated them then, because there was a story in NY Slime about No ROTC classes.  Perhaps they meant in Manhattan? 


t was about Hunter College kids not being able to take ROTC

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (0FSuD)

377 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins.

Maybe so, maybe no.

Sure the "starve them out" thing is iffy (but not completely unworkable), and it certainly worked for Gen. Sherman.

The real advantage the Urban centers have over Rural is population- there are just more people in Urban areas (that's why they're "urban") than in Rural ones.

After that, of course, comes manufacturing and logistics.

The thing is, it's not as simple as that.  There's a lot of manufacturing in areas that see themselves as Rural.  Lots of little towns in TX, for instance, have factories and such.

Even if there weren't, the divide isn't exactly "Urban/Rural" though that gets closer than "North/South."  It is truly an ideological line- which means it looks much more like Northern Ireland than it does the US Civil War when the shooting starts.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (PYAXX)

378 Oh, OT but does anyone know the status of Boeing staying in WA? I have family that works there and they bought a new house, I keep wondering if that was a wise investment...

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (yRwC8)

379 What's with italics?

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 12:13 PM (gjOCp)

380 But, in fact, all urban centers have huge swathes of ghettos full of people who have no clue about life and survival.

I don't think they're as stupid as Mooch et al paint them.

Posted by: HR at June 30, 2014 12:14 PM (/kI1Q)

381 "Just how the Framers' designed it, huh?" Now, now, now, you know how the progressive mind works. The Framers were a bunch of old, white males. Some of them were slaveholders, all of them were probably bigots and racists (just ask a progressive, they'll tell you so...). Because of this, everything the Framers have written and done is illegitimate in the eyes of Obama, and pretty much any other hard-left progressive you'll encounter. After all, Obama is the guy who kept saying back in his earlier days of political life that the bill of rights is a charter of NEGATIVE liberties. Only a hyper-leftist mega-statist progressive would describe a list of things a government CAN'T do to you as negative, and say it like it's a bad thing.....

Posted by: Captain Glenn Quagmire at June 30, 2014 12:14 PM (1o4B5)

382 352 - good point. Axelrod's "voltage" in action. Things are so fucked up that New Bad News is preferable to No News/Old Bad News. Alinksy's laughing in Hell and Orwell is crying - government by perpetual crisis seems to work. That is, until it stops.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 12:14 PM (QKIQb)

383 What is that? Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 05:12 PM (GSIDW) generally after some kind of disaster, ex. Katrina, people remain pretty calm for 72 hours. After 72 hours is when the wheels come off

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:14 PM (W6iIX)

384 Cut off the supply lines...and a City cannot survive by itself.

But they might have enough people to go out and reestablish those supply lines by force.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:14 PM (PYAXX)

385 On NY ROTC classes. They just reinstated them then, because there was a story in NY Slime about No ROTC classes. Perhaps they meant in Manhattan? Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (0FSuD) Could have taken the classes at Fordham's Lincoln Center Campus....or the Rose Hill campus for that matter. Either one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2014 12:15 PM (yz6yg)

386 Who spilled the italics?

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 12:15 PM (FHppK)

387 What's with italics?

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (gjOCp)

 

Somebody ordered himself/herself a trip to The Barrel.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:15 PM (o44nj)

388 TFG just ordered 200 more soldiers to Iraq.

Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 12:15 PM (gjOCp)

389

@375

 

Well, as most of the UN force is the US military, I think the south would be ok. I also would expect some help from unlikely allies like Russia and possibly Iran and or China.

Why? To counterbalance and humiliate the US. Its established Russian policy to keep its enemies off balance after all...

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:15 PM (t06LC)

390 TFG just ordered 200 more soldiers to Iraq.
Posted by: Carol at June 30, 2014 05:15 PM (gjOCp)


Isn't that almost exactly how our involvement in Vietnam started?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:16 PM (PYAXX)

391 Yes, it occurred to me that Obama's big play on immigration is to steal headlines away from the embarrassments in the Supreme Court decisions.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:16 PM (MMC8r)

392

Who spilled the italics?

 

Posted by: Decaf at June 30, 2014 05:15 PM (FHppK)

 

This volunteer for The Barrel...

 

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 05:10 PM (F/noB)

 

Roll out the barrel.

We'll have a barrel of italics.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:16 PM (o44nj)

393 What has to happen? Where is that point that is too far? The last straw. The Straw that breaks the camel's back.
=============
EBT cards.

That is the keystone that is holding this whole theater up.

So:

Will they be shut off at a time of their choosing and the weapon directed at us as they hope?

Or, will the timing be disrupted?

That's the thought that ought to consume you.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 30, 2014 12:16 PM (VjL9S)

394 Most city dwellers will revert to looting for survival with 96 hours, if they know that power isn't returning. Most vehicles will run out of fuel within four days. Most frozen food will be defrosted within 72 hours, and begin to spoil. Most people do not have more then a 45 day supply of medication for long term medical conditions. By the thirty day point, there will be 50% casualties, and disease will begin to be a significant issue with the inability to remove spoiled food, and the dead. By that time, most crack heads will have consumed the ready supplies of street drugs, and forced withdrawal will begin.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 12:17 PM (0i5la)

395 But they might have enough people to go out and reestablish those supply lines by force.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (PYAXX)



Not likely for the sort of people who support Obama.  You don't get much real manpower out of dreamers and shiftless bums. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 12:17 PM (Vutl+)

396 Posted by: The Barrel I had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 12:17 PM (HtNbv)

397 One of the three teenagers discovered murdered by depraved barbarians was an American citizen. There should be outrage from our government.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 12:17 PM (BZAd3)

398 Hotchkiss' 7 Deadly Sins of Narcissism

1) Shamelessness, check
2) Magical Thinking, oh fuck check
3) Arrogance, check - get bigger marker
4) Envy, check
5) Entitlement, check-a-roony
6) Exploitation, check and double check
7) Bad Boundaries, (Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries, and that others are separate and not extensions of themselves) that's check and mate

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 30, 2014 12:17 PM (7HjKx)

399

377...The real advantage the Urban centers have over Rural is population- there are just more people in Urban areas (that's why they're "urban") than in Rural ones.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (PYAXX)

 

--------

 

This becomes a big Disadvantage when the supply lines stop.

 

Cities would be essentially 'fight two wars'...one within, keeping the starving masses in line, and one outside the City, trying to restore supply lines.

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (AYolx)

400 We've replaced America's president with a SCOAMT... Let's see what happens.

Posted by: Folger's Coffee at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (Ks4nX)

401 397 One of the three teenagers discovered murdered by depraved barbarians was an American citizen. Did obama mention it?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (9+ccr)

402 There should be outrage from our government.

Obama will be really mad when he reads about it in the paper. Promise.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (7HjKx)

403 Wow, that's kind of...rapey.

By this same logic, I could say that Kate Upton's refusal to address my offer of letting me have sex with her means I should be free to have sex with her.

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (MlqTY)

404 294. True. First the urban dwellers with nothing and nothing to lose will off each other in an inner-city  bloodbath. The few that get out of there alive will be picked off by  scared and desperate but well-armed suburbans whose bedroom communities  ring each inner city like Saturn. Yes, many are liberal--and more than you think have guns....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 30, 2014 12:18 PM (stFiy)

405 There should be outrage from our government. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (BZAd3) Jarferet and mooch are probably joking about it now over evening cocktails

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 12:19 PM (nzKvP)

406 Only a hyper-leftist mega-statist progressive would describe a list of things a government CAN'T do to you as negative, and say it like it's a bad thing..... Yep. FDR loved talking about "positive rights' vs. "negative rights." That was the talking point for USSR whenever we criticized them over human rights. The Chinese don't bother with the philosophy anymore - they just say "nunya - BTW where's the money you bitches owe us ?"

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 12:19 PM (QKIQb)

407 I don't think they're as stupid as Mooch et al paint them. Posted by: HR at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (/kI1Q) HR, I grew up about 25 miles south of Gary, Indiana and just SE of Chicago. They are that bad. There was always some story in the news about how through sheer ignorance and stupidity, this or that ghetto dweller came to grief.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 12:19 PM (kXoT0)

408 383 Thanks! Just 3 days, huh?

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 12:19 PM (GSIDW)

409 397 One of the three teenagers discovered murdered by depraved barbarians was an American citizen. There should be outrage from our government. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (BZAd3) At this point...what difference...blah blah?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 12:19 PM (T0NGe)

410 Not likely for the sort of people who support Obama. You don't get much real manpower out of dreamers and shiftless bums.

I think you'd be amazed at how not shiftless some of those "shiftless bums" are.

Also, as someone noted- there are people who will pick the Prog/Commies' side out of reasons other than ideology.

I'm just saying it's not clear-cut, and it would certainly be harder than just stopping shipments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (PYAXX)

411

@375

 


Well, as most of the UN force is the US military, I think the south would be ok. I also would expect some help from unlikely allies like Russia and possibly Iran and or China.

Why? To counterbalance and humiliate the US. Its established Russian policy to keep its enemies off balance after all...

 

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 05:15 PM (t06LC)

 

Hence the early-and-often use of nukes when the ObamiNation/UN Army can't get much past the Beltway/Kentucky/Mississippi/western Rockies. And don't count on help from Russia, Red China or Iran - they'll use it as an opportunity to divide and conquer both halves and supply said nukes.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (o44nj)

412 >>>I had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (HtNbv)<<<



End of post 349.


If the barrel's a fit, you must get in it.

Posted by: The Barrel at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (Svzrl)

413 >>> One of the three teenagers discovered murdered by depraved barbarians was an American citizen. There should be outrage from our government. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (BZAd3)

Don't look at me, I'm down here at the border playing Mother Theresa to these lovely little future voters, I mean children, yes children. Go bother somebody else with your less pressing problems.

Posted by: Nancy Pelousy at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (yRwC8)

414 378 Oh, OT but does anyone know the status of Boeing staying in WA? I have family that works there and they bought a new house, I keep wondering if that was a wise investment...

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 05:13 PM (yRwC


They settled the union fight after a re vote.  Problem?  Everyone is ordering 787's built in SC and no 747's.  To date the 747-8 has sold 10 planes.  Saw a show on it last week.

Boeing isn't leaving.  I did not realize the 747 plant is the largest building in the world, according to the show.  They built the 747 start to finish in 28 months.


Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (0FSuD)

415 399...fight-ing. Cities would be essentially 'fighting two wars'...

Posted by: wheatie at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (AYolx)

416 I don't think they're as stupid as Mooch et al paint them. Posted by: HR at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (/kI1Q) +++++++++++++ LOL. Did you watch much of the Katrina (and after Katrina) coverage? Thousands of people sitting around on their asses, watching the t.v. and hearing all the warnings, never moved off their couches. Then, when the hurricane struck as scheduled, the ones that didn't drown had no food stored, no water, no provisions of any kind -- because Big Daddy Government was supposed to take care of them.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (I/vNo)

417 Should be some real boom booms in Gaza tonight. I'd like to see all the lights go out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 12:20 PM (nzKvP)

418 But they might have enough people to go out and reestablish those supply lines by force.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (PYAXX)



But who will supply the supply lines?

Posted by: Bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 12:21 PM (8MjqI)

419 Come on, the fantasy siege of NYC is just silly.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

420 Ferally, power is allocated in accordance with drive and desire. The Will to Power.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:21 PM (bEQaP)

421 I'm thinking the easiest way to win CWII is just to have a vote and expel NYC, Chicago and San Fran and Los Angeles. The rest of the country will do fine. Make these guys City States and charge tariffs for any imports.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at June 30, 2014 12:21 PM (oDCMR)

422 Just 3 days, huh? Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 05:19 PM (GSIDW) generally. 72 hour rule is also 'prepper speak' FWIW

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (W6iIX)

423 The urban verses rural thing? I would give the rurals an edge in any kind of insurgency, or in guerilla tactics, absolutely.  But the urban dwellers would not get that far.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (stFiy)

424 But who will supply the supply lines?
Posted by: Bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 05:21 PM (8MjqI)


People who think that ideology is less important than not getting a bullet in the head.

And if you don't think those people exist, you're sadly mistaken.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (PYAXX)

425 So by this logic the Feds' unwillness to take action to enforce immigration law at the border means Obama is ceding that power to the states, right?

Posted by: Bud Norton at June 30, 2014 04:50 PM (6cOMd)


Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (TM1p8)

426 Most city dwellers will revert to looting for survival with 96 hours, if they know that power isn't returning. Most vehicles will run out of fuel within four days. Most frozen food will be defrosted within 72 hours, and begin to spoil. Most people do not have more then a 45 day supply of medication for long term medical conditions. By the thirty day point, there will be 50% casualties, and disease will begin to be a significant issue with the inability to remove spoiled food, and the dead. By that time, most crack heads will have consumed the ready supplies of street drugs, and forced withdrawal will begin. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (0i5la) Look at Katrina and NOLA. That was not war--that was an act of God. That was the urban poor refusing to evacuate or unable to cooperate in their evacuation. The Super Dome turned into hell on earth when supplies ran low.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, We Be Bossy at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (kXoT0)

427 Well, as most of the UN force is the US military, I think the south would be ok. I also would expect some help from unlikely allies like Russia and possibly Iran and or China.

I can't see the rural/south accepting foreign troops on its territory. Though I can see an agreement that we wouldn't hold a grudge over anything outsiders might arrange for our enemies (here I'm thinking of trade embargoes, that sort of thing-if we come undone, I rather think the other major world powers' militaries would get busy pursuing their own interests.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (hO9ad)

428 I had nothing to do with it.

 

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 05:17 PM (HtNbv)

 

Nice hash change. I'll leave it to The Barrel Powers That Be to decide whether this iteration of you is innocent or a dodge.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (o44nj)

429 Legislators desire corruption more than they desire power.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:22 PM (bEQaP)

430 @417

True dat. 


If I was Israel, I would give the Pals 48 hours to turn over the killers, or face all hell.

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (0FSuD)

431 Urban gangs would fight; dunno on which side - which ever pays them, I guess.

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (GSIDW)

432 If food supply in the cities is about the flow of food and not storage - having tons of food to supply everyone in the city for months - then either side is probably to food disruptions from breaks anywhere in the system.

But I'd wager most of the food is processed outside the big cities so the rural people would have the advantage.

I think any war would come down to having the stomach for it. The rural people would be fighting for freedom and able to endure more.

How much would Generation Snowflake and the inner city liberals be able to take? These are people that think trigger warnings about subjects that might make them feel bad are good ideas. What amount of lack would it take to make them turn on each other?  What amount of pain would we have to inflict?

Could you imagine rogue snipers in the cities? Or what would it take to ignite the tanks at gas stations?


395 But they might have enough people to go out and reestablish those supply lines by force.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (PYAXX)

I don't think the people would have the knowledge to do that. I could see people flowing out of the cities en masse but to where? If food deliveries stop, how do they fix that? And once the horde of 10,000 reach the damaged local power generators, what do they do then?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (AC0lD)

433 They settled the union fight after a re vote. Problem? Everyone is ordering 787's built in SC and no 747's. To date the 747-8 has sold 10 planes. Saw a show on it last week.Boeing isn't leaving. I did not realize the 747 plant is the largest building in the world, according to the show. They built the 747 start to finish in 28 months. Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (0FSuD) Yeah it's not so much the EU competition, but the whole Airline Industry has gone to smaller planes--like the dreamliner- and flying point to point rather than thru huge hubs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (nzKvP)

434 And judges are decadent cowards.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (bEQaP)

435 394 The cities depend upon just in time delivery. If that is disrupted, having credit cards, EBT cards or even cash will be of little value. After looting there will be little to buy anyway. The burning will not be pretty or pleasant for anyone. imho, it is being set up to burn. Someone plans on being dictator here.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (jsa6I)

436 After Katrina, people couldn't leave their stashes unguarded. Plus, no assurance that new drug supply kines could be established in time

Posted by: Bergerbilder at June 30, 2014 12:23 PM (8MjqI)

437 What a surprise. The spoil, narcissistic prick is throwing a temper tantrum over not getting his way. If only we had an electorate that was more mature than Barry we wouldn't have Barry in the first place

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (1Jaio)

438 ll that ammo that the government has been buying? Startin' to make sense now. All that ammo that citizens have been hording? Same thing. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 04:16 PM (0i5la) Yup. Us too.

Posted by: DHS, IRS, Post Office, etc. at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (j0wOO)

439 But those drawn to the executive branch are drawn to pure power.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (bEQaP)

440

And I see we already have The Barrel's decision...

End of post 349.

 

If the barrel's a fit, you must get in it.

 

Posted by: The Barrel at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (Svzrl)

 

Enjoy your ride.  BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (o44nj)

441
I'm just saying it's not clear-cut, and it would certainly be harder than just stopping shipments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (PYAXX)



I think anyone who is advocating that a civil war would be easy is a fool.  It would be hard and miserable, and bloody soul searing.  


On the other hand, enslavement is pretty bad too.



Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (Vutl+)

442 At least we can count on 600 million screaming Chinamen to come to our aid.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 30, 2014 12:24 PM (Ec6wH)

443 If I was Israel, I would give the Pals 48 hours to turn over the killers, or face all hell. Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30 Geez Nip, you are a kind hearted soul. I would give 'em 12 hours. Just as I would shoot people crossing our border. No more Mr. Nice Guy

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 12:25 PM (HVff2)

444 The Super Dome turned into hell on earth when supplies ran low. -- Most of the horror stories from the SuperDome turned out to be fake. It was unpleasant for a few days, but the power centers pretty quickly organized food and water and medical care. As hells on earth go, it wasn't that bad.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 12:25 PM (ZPrif)

445 Urban gangs would fight; dunno on which side - which ever pays them, I guess.

And which side is more likely to pay them long term?

If you assert, from the beginning, that there's no power and no supply of any kind to the cities- then, yes, the rural areas win.  But that's an unfounded assertion.

Power plants aren't going to stop overnight, even when the music stops.  Deliveries (absent directed action) aren't going to stop overnight either.  You would literally have to lay siege to the cities- and then the urban dwellers will quickly forget ideology, and focus on the fact that these rednecks are trying to starve them to death.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:26 PM (PYAXX)

446 Therefore, the executive branch inevitably dominates the others.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:26 PM (bEQaP)

447 Look at Katrina and NOLA. That was not war--that was an act of God. Damn right, and you idiots took away the wrong message.

Posted by: God at June 30, 2014 12:26 PM (T0NGe)

448 For a good primer on the 'OH SHIT, APOCALYPSE' scenario in real-world, usable terms, I recommend the movie 'PANIC IN YEAR ZERO' with Ray Milland and Frankie Avalon. Ray and the family leave to go camping, and on the way out of town, the Chinese bomb LA. It did a pretty good job of making me think about what priorities go where and what everybody else would be doing, too.

Posted by: --- at June 30, 2014 12:26 PM (MMC8r)

449 nood

Posted by: Country Sam at June 30, 2014 12:26 PM (W6iIX)

450

If I was Israel, I would give the Pals 48 hours to turn over the killers, or face all hell.

 

Posted by: Nip Sip at June 30

 

Geez Nip, you are a kind hearted soul. I would give 'em 12 hours. Just as I would shoot people crossing our border.

 

No more Mr. Nice Guy

 

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2014 05:25 PM (HVff2)

 

Even that's about 8 hours too long.  The only reason I'd even give them 4 is traffic at the border is hell.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:27 PM (o44nj)

451 417 Should be some real boom booms in Gaza tonight. I'd like to see all the lights go out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 05:20 PM (nzKvP)



Sometimes I do not comprehend how Israel can show restraint. 

Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 12:27 PM (Vutl+)

452 The Super Dome turned into hell on earth when supplies ran low. MILLION KILLED, THEN RAPED!!!!!!!

Posted by: Shep Smith at June 30, 2014 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

453 And once the horde of 10,000 reach the damaged local power generators, what do they do then?

What damaged local power generators?  Again- that's an assertion that hasn't been founded yet.

I think anyone who is advocating that a civil war would be easy is a fool. It would be hard and miserable, and bloody soul searing.

On the other hand, enslavement is pretty bad too.


Agree on both points.  This smacks of the "We'll whip 'em by Christmas!" that was (purported to be) believed by both sides of the Civil War.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 12:27 PM (PYAXX)

454 You know what, this Civil War 2 stuff is silly.  We take that Red state/blue state thing too far. There are plenty of reds in blue states. NYC would probably stick their finger in the air and see who's winning--and join that side. They've done that before....

Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 30, 2014 12:28 PM (stFiy)

455
Senator Johnson can recommend to the House to impeach and then vote to convict.

or the Repubs can sit around and whine like a bunch of pussies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2014 12:28 PM (JE/wX)

456 OK, after viewing the source code I may have fucked it up after all. But that was only because the legislative branch refused to fuck it up first and I'll apologize but I'm not going into the barrel because last time I think I had a seizure or something and something slimy touched me in my special place. So...Sorry all.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 12:28 PM (PnuK0)

457 294 The whole "we'll starve them out" thing is ridiculous. Urban vs Rural = Urban wins. How are you going to lay seige to the city of New York? Block all the highways, docks, and the airport? They have all the money, the manufacturing, and the people. They can roll the tanks out and take your farm while you're plinking away with your gun collection, people. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2014 04:54 PM (zfY+H) ------------------------------------------ Inner city tribalism will staunch any such reaction from the large cities. People demanding that they get their's first before any weapons are produced. In the meantime, the food supplies dwindle........ They'll be killing themselves long before any action can be taken outside their city's limit. Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 05:01 PM (zCHYT) Yep.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2014 12:28 PM (36Rjy)

458 I can't see the rural/south accepting foreign troops on its territory. Though I can see an agreement that we wouldn't hold a grudge over anything outsiders might arrange for our enemies (here I'm thinking of trade embargoes, that sort of thing-if we come undone, I rather think the other major world powers' militaries would get busy pursuing their own interests.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 05:22 PM (hO9ad)

 

Soldiers, no. Scrubbed arms funneling across the Mexican border.....

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:29 PM (t06LC)

459 But, Obama personally doesn't have much of a Will to Power. He's more of an attention whore.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:29 PM (bEQaP)

460 Come on, the fantasy siege of NYC is just silly.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at June 30, 2014 05:21 PM (ZPrif)


Take a look at a map. You don't have to blockade the cities. You have to stop the resources from leaving the American areas where they are produced, all of which are well beyond the reach of urbanites.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:29 PM (hO9ad)

461 Impeachment of His TinPottiness is out for obvious and Historic reasons, but would it help to impeach some of the Cabinet-level underlings who are carrying out his orders?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at June 30, 2014 12:30 PM (346rt)

462 So, have we decided on a rally point yet?

Posted by: Damiano at June 30, 2014 12:30 PM (j0wOO)

463 445 The whole laying siege to cities is silly anyway. Based on what I've seen of revolutions & armed takeovers, what usually happens is that groups of armed men take over strategic targets - govt centers, tv & radio stations. I can't see conservatives doing that. They'd be shooting back, not shooting first.

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 12:30 PM (GSIDW)

464 He has transcripts but, yes, he took a LOT of "seminar" classes which didn't involve any competitive grading, even in law school. Even though he probably has a few dud grades, I think the real reason they're hidden is the titles of courses. Pretty much everything he took must have "Marxist" somewhere. Posted by: AmishDude at June 30, 2014 05:07 PM (T0NGe) I call BS. He doesn't have shit that involved being anyplace on time.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (36Rjy)

465 Here's a message to the subhuman LIVs--during Clinton's impeachment saga (98 to 99), the economy was on fire and the stock market went gangbusters. Obama's impeachment could really spark an economic recovery.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (Ec6wH)

466 Hum I smell my wife cooking. My stomach already hurts from the thought of more glutton free cardboard

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (nzKvP)

467 >>>NYC would probably stick their finger in the air and see who's winning--and join that side. They've done that before....
Posted by: JoeyBagels at June 30, 2014 05:28 PM (stFiy

Heh, I am reminded of 1776. "Mr. President, have you ever been present at a meeting of the New York legislature? They speak very fast and very loud, and nobody listens to anybody else, with the result that nothing ever gets done."

Posted by: Nancy Pelousy at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (yRwC8)

468 NYC: Advocates Say City Hunger Problem Is Reaching Crisis Levels


DRUDGE

Good.


Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (LZKvb)

469

@454

 

And this wasn't the case in Civil War 1? Ever hear the "brother vs. brother" line? Same for the revolution. Only about 30% of the population were revolutionaries. That holds true for the Russian revolution as well. Its never homogeneous in an area, but the population can reach a critical mass which seems to hover around 30% or so.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:31 PM (t06LC)

470 The Super Dome turned into hell on earth when supplies ran low.

Folks couldn't be bothered to walk outside to take a shit. So the turf had to be replaced when it was all over.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:32 PM (hO9ad)

471 Oh. I see we skipped impeachment and headed for the gunsafe. LOL

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at June 30, 2014 12:32 PM (346rt)

472 And he expands the power of the Executive branch because it allows him to be the center of attention.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:32 PM (bEQaP)

473 I have no desire to see, nor participate in a war on American soil. Of it does happen, it does. But I would take no great pleasure in it. The loss of life would be horrific. And while the U.S. fights within itself, the world power vacuum would cause who knows what holly hell to emerge world wide. What I described in the post above is simply the result of the sustained loss of power. Nothing else. I pray for my country.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 12:32 PM (0i5la)

474 And to serve the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:32 PM (bEQaP)

475 Chaos is right - the split isn't rural/urban so much as coastal/flyover. Reaching for historical parallels - England vs. Napoleonic France ? Byzantium vs. Ottomans ? Athens v. Sparta ? The naval powers can hold out almost indefinitely but they can't project power effectively. Carriers change that - keep San Diego and Norfolk and the plan's G2G.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 30, 2014 12:33 PM (QKIQb)

476 "They can roll the tanks out and take your farm." Count me flat...I mean out.

Posted by: Rachel Corey at June 30, 2014 12:34 PM (0GQLg)

477 Fortunately, I have a nice little place that can only be reached by one dirt road, the other side is approachable only by boat or fin. I like seafood, so I think I'll be okay.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 30, 2014 12:34 PM (ZshNr)

478

@473

No one should be glib about it. The English civil war begat both John Locke and Thomas Hobbes who were both molded by its brutality. I certainly do not want civil war. But as a thought experiment, ill take the longbow.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:34 PM (t06LC)

479
Power plants aren't going to stop overnight, even when the music stops. Deliveries (absent directed action) aren't going to stop overnight either. You would literally have to lay siege to the cities- and then the urban dwellers will quickly forget ideology, and focus on the fact that these rednecks are trying to starve them to death.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:26 PM (PYAXX)



Those transmission lines and substations are the weak point of the system.   Rifle shots into transformers can put them off line for weeks if not months.  Thermite (easily made from available junk) would melt the legs off transmission towers, and a clever fellow would figure out how to use the force of one falling to take down others. 


A lot of cities depend on Electrical power distribution systems to keep the water and sewage flowing.  


Modern cities aren't made to defend.  They rely on the belief that people have been brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong, and will not actively do wrong. 



Posted by: D-Lamp at June 30, 2014 12:35 PM (Vutl+)

480 He is, after all, regardless of his personal drive, a political animal. Or "politician." And political animals or "politicians" play politics. They pander. For votes. And they act. Or rather, pander. For votes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:35 PM (bEQaP)

481 You have to stop the resources from leaving the American areas where they are produced, all of which are well beyond the reach of urbanites. Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 05:29 PM (hO9ad)

Agreed. During Sandy I had a friend who lived uptown on Manhattan, not even an electrical glitch befell her, happy to take in her friends in soggier downtown areas, if only they could get up to her apt. But 100 blocks is veeery far away for a New Yorker when the subways are down, so none of them did, at least not in the first few days. I'd like to think the city would step up and rise to the occasion should something calamatous befall them, they have in the past, but that many people? For an extended period of time, suddenly gripped by fear? Don't want to see it play out in real life.

Posted by: Nancy Pelousy at June 30, 2014 12:35 PM (yRwC8)

482 The revolutionary war was our first civil war. There were as many fighting for the king as fighting for liberty. It is amazing our side won. The second civil war was the war of northern aggression by any standard. It was mostly fought in the south. The third civil war will be fought like the first, everywhere.

Posted by: Bob from table9 at June 30, 2014 12:36 PM (jsa6I)

483 Based on what I've seen of revolutions & armed takeovers, what usually happens is that groups of armed men take over strategic targets - govt centers, tv & radio stations.
I can't see conservatives doing that. They'd be shooting back, not shooting first.

Posted by: votermom at June 30, 2014 05:30 PM (GSIDW)


In our case, if we want to win the war, we'll leave the liberals with their tv and radio stations.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2014 12:36 PM (AC0lD)

484 Off botoxed sockm begone!

Posted by: LizLem at June 30, 2014 12:36 PM (yRwC8)

485 Nice hash change. I'll leave it to The Barrel Powers That Be to decide whether this iteration of you is innocent or a dodge. Posted by: steveegg --------- I'm on a cell connection at the moment. It changes the hash whether I want it to or not. I think I did mess things up: I didn't close a tag in the body but closed another at the end. Don't quite know how or why I did that.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 12:36 PM (wYZsK)

486

@479

Yep.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:37 PM (t06LC)

487 So...Sorry all.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 05:28 PM (PnuK0)


You should have just claimed your hard drive crashed.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:37 PM (hO9ad)

488 Whether the politician wants power, or merely attention, he needs votes. Like a crack whore needs crack.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:38 PM (bEQaP)

489 In our case, if we want to win the war, we'll leave the liberals with their tv and radio stations. Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2014 05:36 PM (AC0lD) You never let the other side control the message. You take control of the message by taking control of the airwaves and the Universities. See, we already made that mistake. Ya notice who controls that now. The first thing we do is reverse that, by all means necessary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 12:38 PM (nzKvP)

490 Focus groups for dem's must be terrible. This whole act is to claim that republicans are responsible for the hordes of uneducated, unskilled riding atop trains with their drug-resistant tb and no one to stop them. And, the msm is going to help make it happen. MSM is going to claim House Republicans' failure to pass a bill directly lead to hordes deciding to head north, and liv will think it is true.

Posted by: Ever at June 30, 2014 12:38 PM (hRV3r)

491 But they might have enough people to go out and reestablish those supply lines by force.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Ah, F it. at June 30, 2014 05:14 PM (PYAXX)

 

 

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Fuck up a few rail lines and bridges  and you've got a problem.   As mentioned  above, the average demographics of large urban settings like NYC are made up of a lot of people that would be vying for their own sphere of power.  Keeping order in a city like that takes up a lot of manpower.

 

A lot  more variables to contend with in large cities.  Plus, with all those people jammed up together, under extreme stress, there'll be civil wars within the cities themselves.

   

Posted by: Soona at June 30, 2014 12:39 PM (zCHYT)

492 I love this place.

Every single legitimate commenter here is quite a bit more intelligent, better read, and more likely to submit a cogent argument than 100% of the retarded monkeys on the other side of the political divide.  A simple question on pretty much anything can turn into a grad school level seminar that will help one or more of us get something done without having to pay a professional.

Thoroughly enjoying the discussion of Civil War/War of Northern Aggression II.

Here's another one that would be great to discuss, maybe in a new post, and is relevant to supreme court decision day:

"Can Congress pass legislation that effectively overturns Marbury v. Madison (which gave our Black Robed Masters authority to decide what "constitutional" means), and if so, how would that affect the coming battles over implementation of Il Douche-care?"

As a former (non-constitutional law) attorney, I think I know the answer, but I'm interested in seeing how the Horde weighs in.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 12:40 PM (TM1p8)

493 Obama isn't running again, but if he doesn't deliver votes for the Democrat Party, he'll get less attention.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:40 PM (bEQaP)

494

@491

 

It'd be Escape From New York with 100% less Snake Plisskin.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:41 PM (t06LC)

495 And that's what he craves.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:41 PM (bEQaP)

496

@492

 

Yes & no.  It'd have to be a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:41 PM (t06LC)

497 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2014 05:38 PM (nzKvP)

I just meant that the liberals on tv and radio would probably be more detrimental and cause more chaos in the cities with their doom and gloom. The American media I've grown up with has never wanted to see America win a war.

But yeah, I know what you mean.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 30, 2014 12:42 PM (AC0lD)

498 More than choom. More than Michelle. Even more than Gay Marriage.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at June 30, 2014 12:42 PM (bEQaP)

499 New thread up

Posted by: My Barrels Glowing Orange at June 30, 2014 12:42 PM (LZKvb)

500

@496

For the second part, in a word: Chaos.

 

If the court is not the final arbiter, and the legislature isn't and the executive isn't, and the states aren't then who is? I don't know a system without a decision made on constitutional grounds is workable. Jefferson talked about state nullification, but by that point, hell just dissolve the union and go back to the Articles of Confederation. It would be more workable.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 30, 2014 12:44 PM (t06LC)

501

Here's another one that would be great to discuss, maybe in a new post, and is relevant to supreme court decision day:

 

"Can Congress pass legislation that effectively overturns Marbury v. Madison (which gave our Black Robed Masters authority to decide what "constitutional" means), and if so, how would that affect the coming battles over implementation of Il Douche-care?"

 

As a former (non-constitutional law) attorney, I think I know the answer, but I'm interested in seeing how the Horde weighs in.

 

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2014 05:40 PM (TM1p

 

Legislation, not at least as it affects SCOTUS.  Constitutional amendment, theoretically.

 

If done at this point, it would keep PlaceboCare and all future overreaches by the Left in place as Congress doesn't have the sac, balls, or dick to roll back any of those overreaches.

Posted by: steveegg at June 30, 2014 12:45 PM (o44nj)

502 Yes no.It'd have to be a constitutional amendment.

And a few SC justices would have to be impeached just to prove congress was serious about it.

Posted by: Methos at June 30, 2014 12:46 PM (hO9ad)

503 Eh, he talks a good game.  But I don't think he will actually DO anything.  He is just too lazy to really usurp powers from the Constitution.  I think he will ultimately perform some stupid pointless gesture that looks good to his base but will ultimately lack any substance.  Until he actually tries does something I just can't get too worried.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at June 30, 2014 12:48 PM (qJPSp)

504 I'll keep an eye on the new thread, but gonna stick down here for a bit. Let's move the theoretical discussion forward to active sabotage. P.T. Deuterman ( one of my favorite authors) wrote an excellent fiction book entitled "TrainMan" . Fun Fact: Almost everything moving west/east by rail crosses over one or the other of only about nine major rail bridges on the Mississippi. Those are nine very major choke points. Just sayin'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 30, 2014 12:49 PM (0i5la)

505 "Can Congress pass legislation that effectively overturns Marbury v. Madison (which gave our Black Robed Masters authority to decide what "constitutional" means), and if so, how would that affect the coming battles over implementation of Il Douche-care?" As a former (non-constitutional law) attorney, I think I know the answer, but I'm interested in seeing how the Horde weighs in. Posted by: Sharkman ------------ I did not understand this until I had to take a legal class in Medical school. However what I took away from the case was that the Supreme Court inserted itself into the power structure by using this as an excuse. My take home was that like the Matrix, Congress could take away the power but the structure of our system would require a similar grab another time. That's all I've got. I'm certainly not a lawyer and in fact, as a doctor, I think I'm required by custom to dislike and distrust them. Present company excepted.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 30, 2014 12:49 PM (GqWuU)

506 Does anyone know if it's actually possible to post comments on Huffpo? I feel my inner troll squirming around. I'd probably get banned after 2 or 3 comments. But it would be worth it.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2014 12:50 PM (5buP8)

507 Remember: thou art but a man.
Remember: thou art but a man.
Ugh... fuck... my balls!

Posted by: chariot driver next to obama at June 30, 2014 01:03 PM (GsmA5)

508 229 try allbrandonline.com They have a local branch that has ever Sears part ever (seems like)

Posted by: Votermom at June 30, 2014 01:26 PM (GSIDW)

509 Disbarred former college lecturer.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at June 30, 2014 01:42 PM (QupBk)

510 Funny, I'm reading the discussion of Civil War II: Starvation Boogaloo, and just received an email from LinkedIn about "Who's Viewed Your Profile". Two views from NSA and Cybersecurity Ops at DoD. Seriously.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 30, 2014 01:46 PM (TIIx5)

511 As I understand it, Marbury v. Madison codifies the the threat that, under appeal, the SC will overturn the verdicts in whatever cases it wants to rule unconstitutional. In almost every case the political branches accept this but it's not required. The legislature can keep on making laws and the Excutive can keep on arresting people based on them. The key is that the court only has authority over cases that it actually hears, which are surely limited in number. Lincoln used this when he stated that the SC habeas corpus rulings during the Late Unpleasantness applied on to those particular appellates and no others. Anyone else seeking habeas corpus would have to file their own individual appeal and work their way through the system.

Posted by: toby928(C) at June 30, 2014 01:49 PM (QupBk)

512 "461 Impeachment of His TinPottiness is out for obvious and Historic reasons, but would it help to impeach some of the Cabinet-level underlings who are carrying out his orders? Posted by: Ummberto Echo at June 30, 2014 05:30 PM (346rt)" I wish. I've wanted Holder gone from the AG post in the worst way since almost the beginning. It would be awesome to get rid of this racialist, race-obsessed grevieance monger and obstructionist. Sadly, ain't gonna happen. Impeachement (which is essentially an indictment) arises from the House, so it could be done. Unfortunately, the trial is held in the Senate. Thus, you'll never get a conviction. All the Ds will vote to acquit. You might be able to get 1-2 D votes for conviction, but most will vote against because a) Holder, like Obama, is black -and you just don't impeach and convict the fist-ever African-American Attorney General, and b) they'll chalk the impeachment up to Republicans and their Racisty Racist Racism, hating on Obama again. And you certainly can't count on squishy establishment-type moderate Republicans. Some of them would surely vote with the Dems, or try and pull the lame-assed Arlen Specter "Scottish Law" not-proven crap....... Same goes for any other cabinet-level or lower level appointed flunky. And of course, then there's the matter of the press, who will pull out all the stops to inform all the LIVs and other blockheads that the Republicans are only doing this to hurt Obama, because they are a bunch of bigots and racisty racists. The Voxplaination will basically go something like this: "Republicans impeaching Obama cabinet members because they hate brown people and don't want to pay more money for free stuff for all those newly-imported brown people, and they don't want you to have free stuff, like health care, either." Now, if the Republicans can take the Senate in November? Maybe we've got something to work with. Still have the problem of Republican squishes, but maybe they can be bought off........

Posted by: Captain Glenn Quagmire at June 30, 2014 01:49 PM (1o4B5)

513 "39   Holy Shit....
Joey Biden looks ALOT like Jeff Dunhams "Walter" in that pic....

Posted by: President Shake-Weight at June 30, 2014 04:18 PM (nELVU)"


Yeah, pretty much what I was thinkin' the second the clip started rolling.

Posted by: dissent555 at June 30, 2014 02:01 PM (yR6A1)

514 Does anyone know if it's actually possible to post comments on Huffpo? I feel my inner troll squirming around. I'd probably get banned after 2 or 3 comments. But it would be worth it. Posted by: Brave ----------------------- As far as I can tell, you have to have a FB or other social media account.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, hiding behind a Proxy at June 30, 2014 02:08 PM (1Mxs7)

515 Is it a coup if everyone dies in the trying?

Posted by: Immolate at June 30, 2014 02:15 PM (/Tq1J)

516 What would make the Washington City (by the way, Southerners called DC by that name BEFORE it was the yankee capital, not just during the war) regime happy? Attacking the South. Especially Texas.

Posted by: Erowmero at June 30, 2014 02:19 PM (go5uR)

517 Obama has got to be getting some real pushback from his fellow Democrats on "crossing the Rubicon" with respect to EO Amnesty.  It's probably the only thing that's keeping him from doing it.  I could see deep blue states going red if he tries.

I will say though that impeachment is just not a real option, it's what he's goading Republicans into.  We don't have the votes and it would only install Joe Biden.

Our problem is we need to win more elections, not impeach bad Presidents.


Posted by: McAdams at June 30, 2014 02:59 PM (1prf9)

518 Obama to House Republicans: "If you would just agree to have sex with me, then I wouldn't have to rape you."

Posted by: biancaneve at June 30, 2014 03:17 PM (6Turu)

519 Did anyone to read the comments on the Post? The left is actually arguing the ad absurdum Ace starts with.

Posted by: Truman North, Moron Emeritus at June 30, 2014 03:38 PM (aTghT)

520 Man Biden is doing his best Walter the angry puppet imitation.

Posted by: OxyCon at June 30, 2014 08:04 PM (xBryS)

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