October 30, 2009

NY-23 Debate Night
— Gabriel Malor

Doug Hoffman, Bill Owens, and Dede Scozzafava had their one and only debate last night. Says one viewer:

Owens and Scozzafava are obviously more comfortable in public speaking than Doug Hoffman as would be expected from their professions of politician and lawyer as opposed to Hoffman’s career in accounting. For myself it was substance over presentation that was important and I thought Hoffman did well, a B+. Scozzafava did very well on the background issues facing the district, but since it is her judgement and liberal leanings which are in question, one has to ask whether knowledge of the issues, without a strongly principled background, would lead to the best solutions.

Anybody else see it? Let us know what you thought in comments.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 04:28 AM | Comments (87)
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1
This post is useless without video of the debate boobie pics.

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:33 AM (z37MR)

2
At least put a flaming Tim Russert up, or something.

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:33 AM (z37MR)

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 04:33 AM (OlN4e)

4 ( . )( . )

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 04:34 AM (aVQo/)

5
hahaha, checkout the zombie/pelosi banner ad put out by the NRCC!

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:35 AM (z37MR)

6 Heh.  Two peas in a pod?    (..)

Posted by: Popcorn at October 30, 2009 04:35 AM (OOehk)

7
thanks, MRI!

but those are obviously fake

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:35 AM (z37MR)

8
I clicked on the ad and Nancy Pelosi's expression looks like she's about to give a BJ.

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:37 AM (z37MR)

9
Let us know what you thought in comments.

Is it okay if we mime our thoughts?

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:38 AM (z37MR)

10 she must be ready for a "private audience" with Obama, #8. 

Posted by: wws at October 30, 2009 04:38 AM (T1boi)

11 just doing patriotic duty for motherland.

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 04:39 AM (aVQo/)

12

As an outdoorsman, with a degree in Wildlife Management, I have an understanding of nature that urban liberals have no concept of. Nature is not your playground. Nature does not love you. Nature cannot be negotiated with, sweet talked, or shamed. If you are helpless, stay out of the wilderness, unless you go with someone who is not. If you are helpless, predators will sense it. And they will eat you. Thats just natural.

link

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 04:41 AM (OlN4e)

Posted by: curious at October 30, 2009 04:42 AM (p302b)

14

Anybody else see it?

See what?  There's nothing to see here, move along.

Posted by: Gravity Dick at October 30, 2009 04:44 AM (o9F/l)

15 (i)(i)

Posted by: tassles at October 30, 2009 04:44 AM (PD1tk)

16

Has anyone checked U-Tube for a video?

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2009 04:44 AM (CDUiN)

17
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crazy eights!

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:45 AM (z37MR)

18
 html boob fail!

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:45 AM (z37MR)

19
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censored

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:46 AM (z37MR)

20

>>understanding of nature that urban liberals have no concept of

Ever notice that folks who have a clue use the term "nature" and those urban libs what don't use "environment"?

Why the hell is that, anyway?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 30, 2009 04:47 AM (lDdA/)

21 I've been saying since yesterday that there is clearly a smiley hate crime epidemic. Sometime is just an 8 )

Posted by: MRI, Sith Master at October 30, 2009 04:47 AM (aVQo/)

22 Oh I get it, Scozzafava is a boob.

Posted by: Trish at October 30, 2009 04:47 AM (0U5Kd)

23
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Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (z37MR)

24 En-Vi-Ron-Ment.

Posted by: 5th Grade Science Lesson, Circa 1995 at October 30, 2009 04:49 AM (aVQo/)

25 Hotair has a link to a 90 second clip of the debate. They go after Hoffman for wanting to go back to the failed policies of Bush with tax cuts. Hoffman does a good job in his retort, but its true he is not a public speaker. But still, gets his point across well.

Posted by: Tendstl at October 30, 2009 04:49 AM (B+8za)

26 Are we sure some of the Hoffman hate isn't just NRCC lawyers wanting to keep another profession out of the House? The few Doctors and Accountants on the Hill tend to have far more influence then their seniority would grant them because they can speak from a position of authority and actually understand the fiscal issues presented to them.

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2009 04:51 AM (vb5IK)

27 Tweet Verbal: Is it okay if we mime our thoughts?

I prefer interpretive dance.  Hand puppets are also nice.

Posted by: oLD gUY at October 30, 2009 04:53 AM (P/D33)

28 Debate? Never heard of it

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 30, 2009 04:54 AM (wuv1c)

29

I saw it. Hoffman slew Owens with a jaw bone, then stuck his hand into Dede's skull and pulled out honey.

 

Ok, so maybe i didn't see it.

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (wuv1c)

30

From what I have seen lately these debates are pretty worthless anyway, at least at the national level.

 

They get the rules set up such that canned questions and responses are given. We wind up with nothing more than 5 minute sections of talking points from each candidate straight out of the campaign playbook.

 

That is not a debate.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (CDUiN)

31 Gabe, didn't see it.  How did you manage to see it?  This whole situation is interesting because it is boiling down to really really local politics impinged upon and highlighted by a newt after a few bloggers noticed this and brought attention to it.  What is wholly frightening to me is the reasons why people are voting as they plan.  Have spoken to quite a few people who will be voting in Jersey.  Have outlined on other threads their reasoning process and it is scary flawed.  My owwy is that people don't know how to think out their vote.  Don't care who they vote for, that isn't the point.  The point is, at least support your decision with facts, legitimate facts.  This isn't an american idol contestant you are rating.  This is a candidate for a public office to represent the people of your town or city or state in very unusual economic times.  People need to give their decisions more time, more research, more thought.  It isn't a diecision to be made lightly even if it is "only a local, state wide, county wide" election. 

Posted by: curious at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (p302b)

32

As an outdoorsman, with a degree in Wildlife Management, I have an understanding of nature that urban liberals have no concept of. Nature is not your playground. Nature does not love you. Nature cannot be negotiated with, sweet talked, or shamed. If you are helpless, stay out of the wilderness, unless you go with someone who is not. If you are helpless, predators will sense it. And they will eat you. Thats just natural.

link

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 09:41 AM (OlN4e)

That's not natural.  Disney told me so.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (5aa4z)

33

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I think genghis was executed for stuff like this.

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2009 04:56 AM (wuv1c)

34 maddogg, you have to appear pretty helpless for a coyote to even get close to you. Also didn't think they had ranged that far North. Of course I had a couple of chipmunks almost kill me - they got into my pack on the back side of the Tetons -- I was wet and cold that night.

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2009 04:56 AM (7K04W)

35 an understanding of nature that urban liberals have no concept of.

Nothing would please me more than dropping AlGore off in the Adirondacks some August, about three miles off a road with nothing but a bottle of water *gasp!* a walking stick, and a compass.  Absolutely no DEET.  Just to see if he can make it back alive.

On the bright side, dead folk-pop singers and dead bloviating windbags have a much smaller carbon footprint than jet-setting folk-pop singers and bloviating windbags.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 30, 2009 04:58 AM (NtiET)

36
Debates are a joke. Half the questions are about how the candidates are going to pander to groups with funds, half the questions are about how candidates are going to pander to social groups with laws, and ALL of the questions are designed to embarrass or marginalize the conservative candidate.




Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 04:58 AM (z37MR)

37

coyotes can't climb trees correct. I would think I would climb up a tree. If they jumped to get me i would take my belt off, form a lasso. Lasso the next of one and choke it to death. Then I would wears its carcas as a coat, come down from the tree, assert my dominance over the pack, and breed with their women.

Clearly I am an outdoorsman of epic proportions.

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2009 04:58 AM (wuv1c)

38 So the NY times owns this classical music radio station in NY and sometimes when I drive home from work in the am I like some classical for the wind down. So for the last 6 weeks or so the morning news segment has been dominated by "Obama: Man of Action" type bits re the Afghan war. Obama holds intense series of talks with his cabinet, Obama official says decision likely, Commandos raid Taliban stronghold near the Pakistani border, Obama is more effective than Bush bla bla bla. Its f*cking sickening compared to the last however many years when the only news (on the same station) re the military/wars was PTSD and Bush criticism. I know its passe to expect any better of the NYT but the depth of my loathing for them somehow broke resistance this morning. Thatisall.

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 04:59 AM (aVQo/)

39

neck not next

shit

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2009 04:59 AM (wuv1c)

40

>>Hoffman slew Owens with a jaw bone, then stuck his hand into Dede's skull and pulled out honey.

Then he pulled out a Twister floorsheet and shouted "Hey everybody! The Party is Saved!!!"

/i'llshowmyselfout

Posted by: Joe Wilson at October 30, 2009 05:01 AM (lDdA/)

41 As much as I love a good boobie reference, and I do, but on a more serious not, Veeshir over at DPUD has this video of RNC hacks videotaping Hoffman supporters' license plates

Posted by: eddiebear at October 30, 2009 05:01 AM (zKxel)

42 Personally, I would have unholstered my pistol and shot the nasty scavengers.  Oh, this is Canada?  Then never mind.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:01 AM (5aa4z)

43
So for the last 6 weeks or so the morning news segment has been dominated by "Obama: Man of Action" type bits re the Afghan war.

Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute. Does not compute.  Error. Does not compute.

Posted by: Tweet Verbal at October 30, 2009 05:02 AM (z37MR)

44 This isn't an american idol contestant you are rating.  This is a candidate for a public office to represent the people of your town or city or state in very unusual economic times.

Hey Jersey didn't get this way through careful deliberation and sober introspection. Go full retard? Yes we can!

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 05:02 AM (aVQo/)

45 38
Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 09:59 AM (aVQo/)
Heh, I remember that station well.  I have a whole collection of broken radios that met their demise because of R.W. "Johnny" Apple's bloviating on that station!

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 30, 2009 05:05 AM (OtQXp)

46

Jean

34 maddogg, you have to appear pretty helpless for a coyote to even get close to you. Also didn't think they had ranged that far North. Of course I had a couple of chipmunks almost kill me - they got into my pack on the back side of the Tetons -- I was wet and cold that night.

A coyote may not have experience with people. That, among other factors can influence their relative agression.I had a pack of them follow me through the southern Rockies in Colorado. I had 2-3 miles to walk back to camp. It was pitch black and I could hear them running around me less than 50 yards out. I was armed only with a bow. And there must have been more than 10 of them. They followed me almost all the way back to my camp. They kept yipping and growling in the dark. I was nervous, and the hair on the back of my neck was standing up the whole way. They didn't quite have the nerve to try me, and for that I was grateful. That was not a good walk in the dark!

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:07 AM (OlN4e)

47 I hate coyotes.  They've run my foxes out here in Ohio.  Used to have a lot of reds and quite a few grays.  Hardly any now.  They're a pain in the ass to skin and their fir isn't all that good.  And they stink.  But a decent trapline around here can stack up 3 a day.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:13 AM (5aa4z)

48 or fur, not fir.  It ain't freakin' Christmas.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:14 AM (5aa4z)

49 Never underestimate the value of a good stage presence (just look at who our president is!). If Scoffazzazzqa and Owens came off as comfortable and articulate, then Hoffman is going to suffer. Regardless of the substance of their words.

Sad but true.  

Posted by: Diver at October 30, 2009 05:14 AM (BcYZo)

50 45

Ha and the stupid film critic (A.O. Scott?) what oozes condescension down the dashboard. 

They just swapped frequencies with a Spanish station so one day I turn on the radio and heard some ridiculous urban contemporary and naturally assumed they were doling out the audio equivalent of social justice.

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 05:14 AM (aVQo/)

51

you have to appear pretty helpless for a coyote to even get close to you. Also didn't think they had ranged that far North

Are you talking about the mexican immigrant smugglers? We've got some in Chicago. Lots of polish ones too.

Or did you mean the animal? Yeah we've got those too. In Chicago.

And Wisconsin.

And probably Canada.

Maybe not the exact same species of coyote but dude those things are not tropical. They're everywhere.

One of my dogs left a ball in the back yard and the coyote took to playing with it. Tossed it up in the air and chased it. It did that with semi-alive squirrels too.

If you don't know what a coyote looks like you could probably mistake it for a dog, not just in looks but in mannerisms. My mother started feeding one and it'd come up to the gate and howl until she went out and tossed it food. They're basically wild dogs.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 05:16 AM (IsLT6)

52 Beck is loosing it, he is reading Edgar Allen Poe. 

Posted by: curious at October 30, 2009 05:16 AM (p302b)

53 I can step out on the porch at my place up in the Ozarks at dark and hear coyotes howling all around. We have a good crop in Arkansas, and I've seen some big enough to be mistaken for German Sheperds. I mean BIG.

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:19 AM (OlN4e)

54

Beck is loosing it, he is reading Edgar Allen Poe. 

 

he does this every halloween. it is one of my favorite things he does.

Posted by: Allahpundit at October 30, 2009 05:20 AM (wuv1c)

55 I can step out on the porch at my place up in the Ozarks at dark and hear coyotes howling all around. We have a good crop in Arkansas, and I've seen some big enough to be mistaken for German Sheperds. I mean BIG.

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 10:19 AM (OlN4e)

Took one last year was 64 lbs.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:20 AM (5aa4z)

56 50 45

Ha and the stupid film critic (A.O. Scott?) what oozes condescension down the dashboard. 

They just swapped frequencies with a Spanish station so one day I turn on the radio and heard some ridiculous urban contemporary and naturally assumed they were doling out the audio equivalent of social justice.

Posted by: MRI at October 30, 2009 10:14 AM (aVQo/)

I used to live in a neighborhood where there were a lot of those cars that spewed out all kinds of horrid noise they called "music".  I really enjoyed driving through that neighborhood with that station cranked up and classical music pounding out all over.  It was great for that, but as soon as the music stopped it sucked bowling balls through garden hose.

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 30, 2009 05:23 AM (OtQXp)

57

a lot of those cars that spewed out all kinds of horrid noise they called "music".

Polka.

I hate polka.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 05:28 AM (IsLT6)

58

Herr Morganholz

64 pounds is big enough to take deer, and pop singers who are helpless, especially in numbers. Coyotes are very fast, and tough. A Coyote is more than a match for a dog twice his size. People underestimate them. They are wolves, after all.

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:33 AM (OlN4e)

59 57

a lot of those cars that spewed out all kinds of horrid noise they called "music".

Polka.

I hate polka.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 10:28 AM (IsLT6)

Just a couple of weeks ago a car came through the neighborhood pounding out polka music.  I laughed so hard I could barely breathe- it was such a contrast to the stuff you normally hear come out of cars these days.

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 30, 2009 05:36 AM (OtQXp)

60 In the last decade or two coyotes have moved into S. Carolina .
Nowadays , deer hunters kill 'em all the time . Perhaps that's why they're not aggressive towards humans around here .
The only ones I've seen have been while turkey hunting .
Big mistake on their part , thinking I'm a hen in the final stages of nymphomania .
 2 ozs. of copper plated 4's at 30 yds is serious coyote medicine .

Posted by: akward davies at October 30, 2009 05:40 AM (wb68R)

61 Coyote attacks are pretty rare. There was one down in Az when I was living there. Not fatal like this that one but a women was hurt. The crazy thing is that there are some tree hugers or in this case bear hugers that want to re-introduce the grizzly into California. Hmm, joggers, hikers, strict gun laws and free roaming grizzlies all living together....what could go wrong?

Posted by: RobD at October 30, 2009 05:42 AM (sV3Dv)

62 I'm not sure that coyote was all coyote.  That's awfully big.  Most go around 40 lbs around here.  Probably some big dog back in its lineage.  Smelled like shit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:45 AM (5aa4z)

63

The crazy thing is that there are some tree hugers or in this case bear hugers that want to re-introduce the grizzly into California. Hmm, joggers, hikers, strict gun laws and free roaming grizzlies all living together....what could go wrong?

Nothing. The bears can thrive on a diet of leftoid Grizz huggers. May they eat their fill!

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:45 AM (OlN4e)

64 The Eastern coyote is quite a bit bigger than the western, probably due to inbreeding with gray wolves in MN and WI as they crept this way.  I shot one in Montana that went about 25 lbs and people were talking about it being good sized.  That's nothing here.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:46 AM (5aa4z)

65

Just a couple of weeks ago a car came through the neighborhood pounding out polka music. 

No I was serious though.

All the mexicans immigrants around here listen to that spanish folk music.

It's exactly polka. Just with a few different instruments.

http://tinyurl.com/m36ym3

http://tinyurl.com/ckf5w6

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 05:48 AM (IsLT6)

66

The Eastern coyote is quite a bit bigger than the western, probably due to inbreeding with gray wolves in MN and WI as they crept this way.  I shot one in Montana that went about 25 lbs and people were talking about it being good sized.  That's nothing here.

 

EAST SIDE REPRESENT

Posted by: Eastern Coyote at October 30, 2009 05:49 AM (wuv1c)

67

Herr Morganholz

Mebbe not. I had a dog I picked up on the plains in New Mexico. Half starved. I swear he was half Coyote. Looked like a German Shephard with a rough coat. Took me half an hour to talk him close enough to grab. He was the best dog I ever had. He was a killer though. He loved to fight, always won, and would kill at the drop of a hat, unless I was there to stop him. But if he didn't know you, he didn't like you, and if he didn't like you, he really, really didn't like you...

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:51 AM (OlN4e)

68 The grizzly thing in Ca. sounds like a good idea to me RobD.
 
Of course ,I'm rooting for the grizzlies .

Nature in all it's bloody glory meets gun fearing leftist asshat = full of win .

Posted by: akward davies at October 30, 2009 05:52 AM (wb68R)

69

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 10:48 AM (IsLT6)

66
Ack! that IS polka!  But the guy I heard was genuine- right down to the Polish lyrics.  It was a hoot- especially the looks it got from the barrio types....

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 30, 2009 05:55 AM (OtQXp)

70 I've seen several "coy-dogs" around, and they tend to head for generic german shepherd in appearance, even if daddy was a pomeranian or something.  I can always tell them because they keep that "side-assed" coyote motion when they run. 

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 05:55 AM (5aa4z)

71 The grizzly thing in Ca. sounds like a good idea to me RobD.

I'd suggest a rethink on that one.

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at October 30, 2009 05:55 AM (5aa4z)

72

70 I've seen several "coy-dogs" around, and they tend to head for generic german shepherd in appearance, even if daddy was a pomeranian or something.  I can always tell them because they keep that "side-assed" coyote motion when they run. 

Yep, he did that. I always wondered why he ran slightly crab-wise.

Posted by: maddogg at October 30, 2009 05:57 AM (OlN4e)

73

The crazy thing is that there are some tree hugers or in this case bear hugers that want to re-introduce the grizzly into California.

They've already reintroduced freakin wolves into Wisconsin.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 06:01 AM (IsLT6)

74 I've always wanted to cross a coyote with a Labrador Retriever.  If the bird falls too far out, he can use the Acme Rocket-Powered Jet Ski for the pick-up.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 30, 2009 06:03 AM (5aa4z)

75 There is a reason the California Golden Bear(Grizzly sub-species) is extinct. It was one mean SOB. When the Spaniards set up villages in the bears territory the bears just considered them(the Spaniards) a new source of food. They would just stroll right into town and raise all kinds of hell. The Spaniards didn't take that lying down of course and proceeded to hunt them relentlessly and it became a right of passage for the young men to go out and rope and then kill the bears with there steel. But what the hell lets bring them back, not like there isn't plenty of food for them.    

Posted by: RobD at October 30, 2009 06:16 AM (sV3Dv)

Posted by: curious at October 30, 2009 06:20 AM (p302b)

77

Coyotes, generally, aren't all that dangerous. And they're typically quite intimidated by full grown humans.

1 coyote, in all likelyhood, couldn't take me. They aren't that tough. 2 coyotes might not take me (imo). A pack of them larger then that, 5 or 6 coyotes, you're pretty much utterly screwed if they get a jump on you. Thankfully coyotes have to be extremely damn desperate so it's pretty rare. Or if you're out in the middle of nowhere and they don't know what you are they might get bold.

Those 2 coyotes that attacked that 19 year old girl didn't drop her though. She died from the wounds but I mean, if that was a grizzly, he'd have ate her.

They shot the ones that lived around here. I was mildly disappointed as they didn't bother me a bit and I kind of liked them. But people were worried about their dogs.

Down south in Will county farmland there's lots of them and they're in packs and people shoot them all the time.

Around here in the suburbs I always saw them alone. They don't need to form up big packs because it's easy living next to humans. All our trash, plus the metric fuckton of small game (racoons, squirrels, rabbits, chipmunks, possums, that all also thrive from said trash, bird feeders, vegetable gardens, and lack of tolerance for too many predators, forest preserves where there's no hunting, nobody shoots the deer).

For the most part they're nothing more then a nuisance and a danger only to unattended small children and pets, mostly at night.

I don't think the ones around here ever even ate anybodies pet. People were just worried they might. Dude next door lets the chihuahua out the door in the mornings and it just runs up and down block.

Wolves are a different matter. They can be quite dangerous if so motivated.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 06:30 AM (IsLT6)

78 Timmy Treadwell was exactly the kind of Grizzly win I was talkin' bout .
Man thought they were oversize puppies . Friggin idiot . If I lived in Grizzly country I wouldn't go anywhere without some serious firepower . I'd go to great lengths to avoid shooting one but if I was seriously threatened I'd smoke one in a heartbeat . They are dangerous and unpredictable and beautiful and wild . I love 'em . Wish we had them here . It'd make deer hunting a whole 'nother ball game .

Posted by: akward davies at October 30, 2009 06:31 AM (wb68R)

79

I'd go to great lengths to avoid shooting one

I would also go to great lengths to avoid shooting one, only because I'm kind of afraid the gun would not drop the thing and just piss it off.

So unless it's already pissed off, best not to try it.

Otherwise if I had an AK-47 on me I'd empty 8 clips into damn thing on first site.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2009 06:41 AM (IsLT6)

80 Entropy,
I agree with most of your post but generally grizs don't usually eat people. Grizzles kill them more often the black bears but they usually don't eat you. Black bears on the other hand, if they attack you, they plan on eating you. So the rule of thumb with bears is play dead during a griz attack(unless you have some serious firepower on you) and fight for your life during a black bear attack.

Posted by: RobD at October 30, 2009 07:14 AM (sV3Dv)

81

Whenever we hiked into back country in northwestern Montana, we'd always tie a cowbell to our backpacks, and everyone packed a side arm.

Most attacks in wilderness areas occur because someone inadvertently gets between a mother and her cubs.

Posted by: Cowboy at October 30, 2009 07:29 AM (tGClb)

82 I live in a town in the mountains of Colorado. Coyotes are just background noise. Literally. We hear them at night. There are other things you worry about that are more likely to hurt you. We have mountain lions. A lot of them. A couple of years ago we had one walk into a mass at a local Catholic church in broad daylight. Mass was cancelled rather hastily as the priest and congregation unassed the church. We also have black bears. A couple of days ago, they had one asleep in a tree in a yard next door to WalMart. I have bear in my yard every year. That sometimes gets dicey, because our county is where our Division of Wildlife dumps the bears they capture in all the urban areas in the state. Those are the ones who have lost their fear of man. Nature is everywhere, and will bite you if you are not careful. Subotai Bahadur

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at October 30, 2009 08:23 AM (jhW5W)

83 Here in the southern Sierra mountains coyote take pets. They also will take calves if they are very hungry. I walk in the evenings, due to the heat, and they watch me. A couple neighborhood dogs go with me, and when the dogs pull in tight, and the coyote aren't making their racket, I know coyote are watching. But I'm not worrying until the dogs run away. We have black bears, mountain lions, all kinds of small stuff. But no human attacks in the area.

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