August 31, 2008

NRO flame thread
— Purple Avenger

Ace: I'll reopen the thread with a couple of provisos.

One, keep it a bit lighter in tone or less personal as regards good-faith criticisms.

Two, bear in mind it reads a little Obamabot-ish to see people torn a new one because they aren't as enthusiastic about Palin as you might be.

Three, restrict personal attacks to those who've attacked you on a personal level. Far as I can tell, the only person at NRO to have done this is Brookheiser. As he insulted pretty much the whole of the conservative base in fairly personal terms, he invited a similar response.

Four, I'm going to delete some of the over the line comments, and I hope not to see similar comments.

Five, bear in mind I'm not blaming anyone, really. I didn't start this thread. I understand it's called a flame thread and that implies, well, flames. But I don't think it's a good idea, and would have said so if asked beforehand. I just don't think it's either smart or fair to rip political allies (and good people, mostly, I think) for having an honest disagreement. I'm not scolding anyone, I'm just explaining (and, um, enforcing) my belief that it's just not a terrific idea to tear the ass out of NRO because some of their writers aren't on board with Palin (and one is a prick about it).

Retired (Not Gay) joined in the intended spirit of the thread and took a meant-to-be-funny shot at a Cornerite. I'm not blaming him -- it was a Flame thread -- I'm just expressing my strong belief that this is simply a bad idea, a bad road to go down.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 07:53 AM | Comments (165)
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1 It's on like Donkey Kong. Here's an email that I sent Peter Robinson after he criticized Rich Brookheiser for being unsupportive of the VPILF:

Thank you for setting Rick Brookheiser straight. I don't know what's behind the conservative intelligentsia's hand-wringing over Sarah Palin. I suspect that Krauthammer, Gallagher, Goldberg, Frum, Douthat, Ponnuru and the rest of the soi-disant "thoughtful, reasonable conservatives" are busy playing the credentialism game out of hope for acceptance by their counterparts on the left.

Well, I went to one of the most pretentious colleges imaginable, and then I went to a fancy law school, pausing to pick up a master's along the way, and I don't give a fig what the New Republic or the Atlantic Monthly thinks. Among other important lessons, my experiences at those places taught me that fancy degrees are a poor prophylactic against dumb-assery, and that there is often more true education at an undistinguished directional school that nobody ever heard of than in the Ivy League, Seven Sisters, and the liberal arts colleges where you call your professor by his first name.

To be fair, I know that several of the individuals named above tepidly support McCain's pick, and I suppose that's better than nothing. I also know that some of them have, from time to time, taken conservative positions that the mainstream left-intelligensia have dubbed "extreme." Perhaps that's why their playing of the credentialism game is especially bizarre. But if they want to play this game, fine: I've got a wall full of diplomas that I'd gladly put up against any of theirs, and I say Gov. Palin is an outstanding pick.

Posted by: AK at August 31, 2008 07:56 AM (9PwYj)

2 I used to play with some of that stuff......back in70 & 71. Brings back fond memories.

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at August 31, 2008 07:56 AM (dzE9C)

3 NRO (MSM elites and stale politicans) seem to forget that it's Joe Average who elects the President. And Joe tends to like people who have shown that they are looking out for him. Fortunately, it's not the party stalwarts who mindlessly pull the handle for their party's candidate that make the ultimate decision. The talking heads and egg heads might want to keep that in mind.

Posted by: GarandFan at August 31, 2008 08:02 AM (eJ32B)

4 Repeating here. Jonah, NRO: "My only point is that Commander of the Alaska National Guard sounds defensive and lame. It sounded defensive and lame when Bill Clinton bragged about his role as the Commander of the Arkansas national guard too. " Power (abstracted) desires that the President should be able to call up an individual State's National Guard without the approval of the Governor of that State (the national guard is just his standing army). The Katrina response made that clear. There was essentially no reinforcement of the intended division of power from the media or government institutions. I consider that division to be an important check on power in our Constitutional structure, and I appreciate that Palin has emphasized it.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 31, 2008 08:03 AM (4HuGv)

5 Those poofy tards at NRO wouldn't know a good idea if it walked up and smacked them in the head with a 2x4.  

The fact that the McPain campaign donations spiked up hard within 24 hours says a lot.  People who vote with their CASH count a lot more than whining country club quasi-pundits. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 08:05 AM (6L459)

6 Those country club conservatives have the same sort of "how dare he name someone who hasn't been on Meet the Press" insularity as the MSM liberals. That she's never been published in Human Events is less a criticism of her as an admission of just how narrow their world is. They've allowed themselves to be boxed in by credentialist bullshit.

No 21st Century conservative can be ignorant of the vast pool of highly intelligent, fiercely literate and incredibly competent people who drive the movement from blogs and businesses and less famous public offices across the land and Sarah Palin is one of the true leaders. She may be the next Reagan. Probably not, there aren't many of those, but let's take a good look.

Besides any man opposed to her is just a sucker of cock.

Posted by: Ronsonic at August 31, 2008 08:08 AM (ywSvi)

7 Reporters and Legislators both think talking and voting and proposing and debating and researching is similar to doing. They're mistaken.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 31, 2008 08:08 AM (TPRbZ)

8 Okay, someone needs to go there, and it looks like it's gonna be me:

Trig Palin will never say anything half as retarded as what we're hearing out of NRO.

Posted by: Jeff Smoker at August 31, 2008 08:09 AM (9PwYj)

9 My $0.02 on Palin jujitsu is that if the intelligentsia want to make her look like Mr. Smith going to Washington, this can only bode well.  The chattering classes may prove to be as tone deaf as ever, though I'm disappointed to see it coming from the Right.

Gravy would be if the Left attacks her on the Wooten firing.  Let's go all-in for Dirty Harry, too.  The guy tasered his 10 y.o. stepson.  As I saw on another blog, "is defending domestic violence and child abuse REALLY the hill the Left wants to die on?"

Are there any other cultural icons that she can be painted as?  Melanie Griffith in Working Girl, perhaps.

You know, on one of this morning's talking head news shows I saw a clip of her nailing Biden for his vote - 30 years ago - against the Trans-Alaska oil pipeline.  She was pointing out that he has a long history of being out-of-touch on the energy issue.  I think the senior Senator from Delaware just got dunked on. 

Posted by: pfish at August 31, 2008 08:10 AM (FHwA5)

10

DONATE TO MCCAIN-PAILIN, check... or credit card.

I used ace.mu.nu in the "referred by" line!  Heh heh

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 31, 2008 08:11 AM (CrSOk)

11 Bill Buckley's spinning in his grave. I can't believe the caterwauling of the NRO dickheads (with a few exceptions, obviously) at the near-miracle of McCain's choosing a conservative running mate. Only one thing I hate more than effete, liberal snobbery - effete, "conservative" snobbery. There's a huge swath of the electorate that will personally identify with our working mom VP, and I could care less if her being plucked from the unwashed masses embarasses these assholes

Posted by: Andy at August 31, 2008 08:11 AM (8dVfR)

12

Actually you could just say...

CHECK, check.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 31, 2008 08:15 AM (CrSOk)

13 The NRO wine drinking buffons are doing a huge disservice to the memory of Reagan.  the Palin pick reminds America what Reagan stood for.   It ignites middle america.   Hopefully the flame started with the Palin pick burns these Havard educated nimwads into ash.   Remember it was the havard elites that have got us into $9 trillion in debt, two protracted wars with no clear victory conditions or exit stratigies, no energy policy, $4.00/gal gasoline, historic home forclosures, Fannie and Freedie monsters, etc.   I will take a commoner over a noble elite anyday of the year.

Posted by: unseen at August 31, 2008 08:15 AM (mQauu)

14

Purple Avenger is dead on. The money is the indicator of consequence. (As soon as I read that Palin was the pick, I went to the McCain site and made a donation.)

Sarah Palin has got the great missing base fired up. Did Ramesh think that we were going to march in the streets chanting "Rom-ney! Rom-ney!" ??

My die-hard Democratic family are stunned.

Perhaps she will not be enough. Perhaps we are in a "long twilight struggle," but baby, the Palin pick show that my party has the stones to play big!

Posted by: Beryl at August 31, 2008 08:17 AM (xluot)

15 NRO-niks are just bitter that they'll never get to nail anyone half as hot as Sarah Palin, who at 44 still keeps her studmuffin husband statisfied with Teh Banging.

I'm sure she's a wildcat in the sack. But they'd rather suck Romney's cock.

Posted by: Jeff Smoker at August 31, 2008 08:18 AM (9PwYj)

16

NRO wandered out of my regular rotation.  I've checked a few times since the Palin nod and have been dismayed at the lukewarmness.  I don't feel like spending the time to read those milksaps just in order to rebut them.

What people haven't done for the most part -- and here I mean NRO and the MSM -- is look past her biography and the standard calculations.  

I like her bio just fine, it's when she opens her mouth and starts talking that you realize she is capable of changing the game in a good way.  Get past the memes, peeps, trust your ears.

Posted by: Prufrock at August 31, 2008 08:18 AM (vISQb)

17

fixed it for you Ronsonic:

"Besides any man opposed to her is just a sucker of cock by choice."

 

Posted by: scrood at August 31, 2008 08:18 AM (1dOyI)

18 You can see the problem at NRO and with the Beltway Republicans by juxtaposing someone like Ponnuru and  Mark Steyn. One sees conservative populism as an image to be courted by Republicans and the other knows it is real and lives it.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2008 08:20 AM (qAMnO)

19 Just watched Johnny Mack on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Answered some tough questions about Palin and other issues with poise and aplomb.

I didn't like John before but I now have a man-crush. Looking back over the primaries, nobody else would have had a good shot against Obama like he does.

Maverick!

(oh, and in the spirit of the thread, fuck you, NRO - William F. Buckley is doing an underground helicopter impression as we speak.)

Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 08:26 AM (ubHgw)

20 My flame is against Joe Biden. And Ace's open blog posters.

Why doesn't anyone put these 2 videos in the same post for the world to see? It would only take a few minutes, and is justly embarrassing to Biden:

Video 1 - Biden making a noteworthy mistake he's criticized for
Video 2 - Biden making the exact same mistake 3 days later

Note: He had the correct term in his written convention speech. It's all his mistake.

Posted by: Christoph at August 31, 2008 08:27 AM (hawOV)

21 Jonah Goldberg is the worst or them all, even though his criticism of Palin isn't the strongest.

Liberal Fascism is an important book, but in the process of writing and selling it he became overly deferential to the left. The book is littered with milquetoasty, apologetic "I'm-not-saying-that-modern-liberals-could-ever-have-anything-to-do-with-fascism" suck-ups to his pals at the New Republic.

Worst of all, a few weeks back he was pushing Palin! Now he's getting cold feet, because he's suck-up douche who likes being considered "thoughful" by the liberals in his D.C. neighborhood.

Get the fuck out, Goldberg, and take your Simpsons references with you. Even your goddam couch is sick of you.

Posted by: Jeff Smoker at August 31, 2008 08:27 AM (9PwYj)

22

They're jealous of anybody who doesn't totally freak out about a fucking flat tire.

"Aooogah! I might get dirty, my hands! No, you brute, you brute, you brute! You conservative brute! You drink beer!"

I can see Sarah Palin eviscerating a swell fine reporter-type fellow like this...I wish the whole thing was there...off to do some digging.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFh3pu0uGxQ

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at August 31, 2008 08:27 AM (vFeQi)

23 Has anyone mentioned that Jonah is a Jew?  That's right, just like Eric Cantor.

Posted by: DNC at August 31, 2008 08:28 AM (dvo4w)

24 Jonah, NRO: "My only point is that Commander of the Alaska National Guard sounds defensive and lame. It sounded defensive and lame when Bill Clinton bragged about his role as the Commander of the Arkansas national guard too. "

Back then the National Guard wasn't made up of soldiers with multiple combat tours in two different theaters of operation.

Bragging about commanding these men and women in this day and age is hardly "lame".


Posted by: Muledriver at August 31, 2008 08:28 AM (btc7a)

25

They've gone all Peggy Noonan on us, i.e. they write like a naive and earnest twelve year old girl intently contemplating her own navel.

 

 

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 31, 2008 08:29 AM (wgLRl)

26 Since, she is the pick, even if you are not happy with it, STFU. Otherwise, you are doing nothing but trying to undermine the republican presidential campaign and you will be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Give me a vest, some C4, and wire me up.  Or better yet, I can dress in drag looking like Veronica Lake with two grenades in my boobvest and two in my hand. You NRO boys looking for some nookie?  I'll give you some nookie -- KABOOM!!!!

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 08:30 AM (PRn5M)

27 Besides any man opposed to her is just a sucker of cock.

Posted by: Ronsonic at August 31, 2008 01:08 PM (ywSvi)


The ironic thing about that is I'm not sure Sarah Palin herself would view that as a terribly bad thing, not if her husband is as hot as I've heard several women assure me he is.

Posted by: Christoph at August 31, 2008 08:32 AM (hawOV)

28 No BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNS...

Posted by: Zombie Bill Buckley at August 31, 2008 08:33 AM (qsGH+)

29 Palin made me want to vote. Otherwise, I would have sat this election out. None of the other potential nominees would have made me overcome my aversion to maverick's mavericky goodness.

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 08:34 AM (PRn5M)

30 Holy underwear! Romney passed over! A woman from outside the beltway as VP! We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

Posted by: Ramesh Le Petomane at August 31, 2008 08:34 AM (WhFvm)

31 Palin shows that McCain is playing to win. Just like all the other ads and moves over the past month or so, McCain has out played, out media'd, out just about everything'd Obama. I for one am glad they didn't go for some tepid pick. I love Romney, I'd be excited about Pawlenty, but Palin went for the throat while kicking them in the groin. Hell ya. Play to win, fight dirty and below the belt, do what it takes (legally of course) and thats exactly what Palin did. Every comment was a shiv to the ribs. She's hotter, a better basketball player, more experienced and everything else is just a "Oh yeah? Top this a@#(*$&!" I love it and I gave money, ordered my shirt and sign and volunteered.

Posted by: John at August 31, 2008 08:35 AM (DA5Gq)

32 How did you get hold of my personal shopping list of items I bought with Annenberg Challenge money? Karl Rove you Maginificent Bastard.

Posted by: willy ayers at August 31, 2008 08:35 AM (vKAsS)

33 Jonah:  Have a dog named Cosmo is lame.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at August 31, 2008 08:36 AM (PBGAP)

34 Yeah, Goldberg has been writing some pretty lame articles. They are patronizing or obvious or both. No more reading his crap for me. He shouldn't get paid for producing such garbage.

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 08:36 AM (PRn5M)

35 And how dare you put an extra "I" in my spelling of magnificent to make me look stupid. I didn't know Diebold owned the comment system. Rats, foiled again. KRYMB.

Posted by: willy ayers at August 31, 2008 08:37 AM (vKAsS)

36 Gads!!!  And I've heard some "conservative" weenies repeating the "mayor of a town of 6000" meme and "forget" to mention she is a GOVENOR!!!

Posted by: mockmook at August 31, 2008 08:37 AM (WtqUl)

37

She may be the next Reagan. Probably not...

Agreed, on both counts.  But, she could also be something bigger - someone who really does flip the entire apple cart.  Conservatives, especially those of the paleo bent, are always concerned with the dangers of rising populists.  Not to say that Palin has yet demonstrated such tendencies, just that a quick political rise, on reformist rhetoric, has proven problematic in the past. 

 

Beyond that (unlikely) danger picture her eight years from now after McCain has successfully completed two terms in office sans any major political disasters.  Hell, it could end up something the likes of Palin/Jindal and a sunset for all the old line careerists.

Posted by: ThomasD at August 31, 2008 08:38 AM (UK5R1)

38

Hey, I know the NRO guys.  There cool in a ghey sort of way, and they are so fucking young they don't even know what hash is.  Not the shit you eat for breakfeast, the shit you guys must be smoking.

Or maybe they took some of their own GHB, thinking they could date themselves.

COCKSUCKERS!

Want to bet they get an ear full in St. Paul?  Cold shoulder? Hell no, hard right to the chin.

Did I say COCKSUCKERS?

Posted by: kempermanx at August 31, 2008 08:38 AM (2+9Yx)

39 Yah know what, NRO. That "Shiny new porche" has problem. Jonah has made great arguments that Fascism was a product of the left. Good solid arguments. But you know what your argument doesn't do, Jonah? Change a friggin thing. That structure itself is the problem, not the way its framed. It's still a closing of the American Mind. If you elite fuckers want a chance to drive it for any length of time (and it better be a short amount of time, and you better get something good done with with), I suggest you listen to those of us down here. I'm not going to be the fucking asphalt. I'm not going to have my property confiscated for some green energy program. I like different cultures, but I still want my own. That doesn't make me xenophobic. Or a yahoo. The only reason Keynsian looks good to you right now is because your afraid of the competition from below. The friggin border needs enforced. It's not helping Mexico or us. If Joe friggin six pack believes in markets, he also believes wages should rise with competition. The most important driver in increasing standard of living is technology, not economy of scale. If you argue that corporate structures need good pricing power to increase profits, in order to invest the next technological leap, but then let them use that power to limit competition, and consolidate, in an endless cycle, then the friggin argument no longer carries any weight. When history has produced strategies for undermining structured liberty, and the policy objectives are discredited, but the POLICY ITSELF remains the same, I'm not impressed. -------- When Putin outright calls our political class on using the same propaganda techniques as the Soviets... And every friggin Tom, Dick, and Harry with their own movie studio decides now, in all of history, is the time to abandon our Constitutional order (Oh, such bravery)... Too abandon structured liberty, because We the People have abandoned reason... Perhaps, when all those things happen... ITS TIME YOU LOOKED IN THE MIRROR. I live in a small town. I work for a living. I like my neighbors. Y'all can KISS MY HILLBILLY ASS.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 31, 2008 08:44 AM (4HuGv)

40 Rehashing a famous Bill Buckley quote for the benefit of Jonah Goldberg:

"Stop calling Sarah 'lame', or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 08:44 AM (ubHgw)

41 You guys are making yourselves look like idiots right now. I disagree with them about Palin too, but the idea that NRO isn't conservative enough, as many of you are claiming, is retarded.

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 08:44 AM (JJGKw)

42 Palin made me want to vote. Otherwise, I would have sat this election out.

I was actually an Obama "suicide voter" until now.  I'll throw the lever for McPain now that Palin is onboard.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 08:45 AM (6L459)

43 The Corner is full of a bunch of whiny, bitchy little girls. And Katheryn Lopez.

(Bruce Campbell rocks on Burn Notice.)

They always wear sack cloth and ashes every election cycle. Remember in 2004, and they were worried about some Republican's appearance on Meet the Press, said it was worrisome. A reader had to write in and remind them that the Republican base was in church on Sunday mornings, not watching Meet the Useless and Lame Press.

They are about as useful as boars on a tit.

( not you, Mark Steyn, cutie.)

Posted by: Stormy70 at August 31, 2008 08:46 AM (Y+o71)

44

mockmook, yeh they gasp about the mayor job and leave off the governor and that other little job in between where she went after corrupt Republicans! Give me a break. It's one thing to wish she had more experience. A lot of people would agree with that. But so many in the media, including people at NRO, sound so PRISSY in wringing their hands about her lack of experience.

Opportunities. She's made the most of them and I'm betting she'll continue to do so. That's more important to real people than pedigree.

Posted by: MamaAJ at August 31, 2008 08:46 AM (X6Zdh)

45 "Jonah:  Have a dog named Cosmo is lame."

Yup, having a dog named Cosmo is lame.

And writing as your couch was only ever funny to lameasses.

Even Nordlinger has been disappointing on this, and he's been one of the better ones.

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 08:47 AM (xFNQx)

46 Yeah, NRO's no longer a must read for me. Strangely, enough I've been losing interest since Buckley died. I guess in some way the old man was keeping these cocksuckers from courting strange new respect from lefty weenies. I like that Steyn drops into the Corner but that's about it. Even Goldberg, who wrote the kickass "Liberal Fascism", has been tugging his forelock ever since and saying, "Respect, squire. Help a poor conservative out. Respect, me lord."

Posted by: rinseandspit at August 31, 2008 08:48 AM (VFTrh)

47 The real problem with the NRO is that they pretend that they have been any thing other than  a hinderance to the right, conservatism and Republican's chances at election.  Republican politicians with a brain in their head, and right now there only seems to be two of them (Palin for sure and maybe the guy that picked her) would do well to stay away from them, and their freaking  button-down cocktail parties and their nerdy cruises and go to Wal Mart instead.  The people the NRO hates, loathes and despises... Wal Mart shoppers... are the people that keep Republicans in office.  The fact that Republican politicians have forgotten that is pretty shameful and the chief reason they are in the minority and the only reason they are terrified of Palin. And I say that only a little tongue and cheek.  The day this particular version of the NRO shuts its doors could very well be the best day the Republican party every has.

Posted by: The Obvious at August 31, 2008 08:48 AM (1g+FW)

48 You guys are making yourselves look like idiots right now. I disagree with them about Palin too, but the idea that NRO isn't conservative enough, as many of you are claiming, is retarded.

Oh, NRO is conservative enough. Romney, whom they are gay for, would have been conservative enough for me. The problem isn't conservatism; it's that the Cornerites and a fair portion of the conservative intelligentsia are a bunch of pussies.

Posted by: Jeff Smoker at August 31, 2008 08:50 AM (9PwYj)

49

And I have now joined the club of donating to a political campaign for the first time!

We get shirts, right?

Posted by: MamaAJ at August 31, 2008 08:50 AM (X6Zdh)

50
How odd that the only guy at NRO who gets it is a Canuck!

As for the rest of those professional spewers-forth-of-opinions: fuck them. The train is pulling out: they can continue to yap on the platform, or they can climb on board for what should be one hell of a ride.

Posted by: Brown Line at August 31, 2008 08:51 AM (OMiLl)

51

You guys are making yourselves look like idiots right now. I disagree with them about Palin too, but the idea that NRO isn't conservative enough, as many of you are claiming, is retarded.

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 01:44 PM (JJGKw)

 

Get it right, we're morons not idiots

And it's not a question of whether they are conservative enough, in their urban detached chic sort of way.

It's a question of whether they realise that 90% of those hip and happening city people they mix with won't come around to conservatism no matter how we package it.

The conservative base is small towns.  Palin energizes that base.  Energizing that base gets Republicans elected.

It is not that hard to understand, and I note that Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Steyn are totally onboard with this pick, which should be all the hint the hiptards need.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 31, 2008 08:51 AM (wgLRl)

52 Holy underwear! Romney passed over! A woman from outside the beltway as VP! We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

Posted by: Ramesh Le Petomane at August 31, 2008 01:34 PM (WhFvm)

LOL

great flame thread

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 08:53 AM (xyyHG)

53 I don't know who the Ramesh Le Petomane sock puppet belongs to, but they summed up NRO's pants wetting perfectly.

Posted by: J. Wilde at August 31, 2008 08:54 AM (ucJiT)

54 NRO is ghey.

Posted by: thebronze at August 31, 2008 08:55 AM (YlH3h)

55 The Presidential election was too close to call. Neither the Republican
candidate nor the Democratic candidate had enough votes to win. There was
much talk about ballot recounting, court challenges, etc., but a week-long
ice fishing competition seemed the sportsmanlike way to settle things. Therefore, it was decided that there should be an ice fishing contest between the two candidates to determine the winner. The candidate that caught the most fish at the end of the week would win the election. After much of back and forth discussion, it was decided that the contest take place on a remote frozen lake in northern Minnesota .

There were to be no observers present, and both men were to be sent out
separately on this isolated lake and return at 5 P.M. with their catch for
counting and verification by a team of neutral parties. At the end of the
first day, John Mc. returned to the starting line and he had ten fish.

Soon, Obama returned and had no fish. Well, everyone assumed he was just
having another ‘bad hair’ day or something and hopefully, he would catch
up the next day.

At the end of the 2nd day John Mc. came in with 20 fish and Obama came in  again with none.

That evening, Harry Reid got together secretly with Obama and said,
‘Obama, I think John Mc. is a low-life, cheatin’ son-of-a-gun. I want you
to go out tomorrow and don’t even bother with fishing. Just spy on him and
see just how he is cheating.’

The next night (after John Mc. returns with 50 fish), said to Obama, ‘Well, tell me, how is John Mc. cheating?’

Obama replied, ‘Harry, you’re not going to believe this, but he’s cutting
holes in the ice.’

[feel free to substitute the names of any of the NRO writers with that of Obama and Palin's for McCain's]

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 08:55 AM (PRn5M)

56 I like reading NRO, especially the Bench memos, but they are screwing the pooch on Palin and it's making them look like Rockefeller.  It's pointless to criticize her  for not being  effete, to use a WFB word. That is exactly why she was chosen. All their bluster is she doesn't know the system. It's a buck the system year, duh. It's even dumber because she running for VP, not Pres.

They should lay off a bit till she makes a gaffe. She gave a good speech with a lot of savvy. The country bumpkin crap they should leave to magazines nobody reads like the New Yorker.


Also, they shouldn't suck cock so much. Or at all really. Cocksuckers.

Posted by: Rocks at August 31, 2008 08:55 AM (7rbe9)

57 "Stop calling Sarah 'lame', or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

Mark Levin has some common sense over there, too, and seems to recognize that most of them are acting like chuckleheads over Sarah.

As for Goldberg, yes, Liberal Fascism is a wonderful (and much needed) book.  That said, to amend the above:

"Stop calling Sarah 'lame', QUEER or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 08:55 AM (xFNQx)

58 Palin is Mr. Smith Going to Washington, Working Girl, Dirty Harry, and Joan of Arc all rolled into one. 

Sarah Palin is so great that (speaking for myself only, but as a female voter) I can FINALLY be PROUD to call myself a Republican IN PUBLIC.  Jonah, if you think toting around "Liberal Fascism" was ever going to have that effect then you're as divorced from reality as John Kerry. 

I have a girl-crush the size of Alaska. 

Posted by: pfish at August 31, 2008 08:56 AM (FHwA5)

59 Palin made me want to vote. Otherwise, I would have sat this election out.

I was actually an Obama "suicide voter" until now.  I'll throw the lever for McPain now that Palin is onboard.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 01:45 PM (6L459)

I'm so glad to hear that.

But to be a flame war thread, wouldn't somebody here have to pretend to agree with these effete boobs?

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 08:58 AM (xyyHG)

60 Aren't these the same assgrabbers that sat on their meat claws while we got prescription drug coverage?  The truth is that "conservatives" like Rick Brookheiser are one of the main reasons why the conservative movement stalled.

They all thought it was because we needed to change the message, when it's been proven time and time again that what we really needed to do was change the messenger.  But they kept promoting these idiots like Stevens, Grahm, and Craig, becuase of POWER!  Not becuase of honesty and integrity or ideals.

One of the things that conservtives, constructionists, and even libertarians HATE, is hypocrisy.  And todays GOP stinks with it.

K

Posted by: Kestrel at August 31, 2008 09:00 AM (gBnKJ)

61 Great thread!  Stick it to those Christianist bastards, especially the Jew ones!

But lay off the "cock-sucking" insults!

Oh, and they're all right about Sarah Palin.  My underoos haven't stopped leaking since Friday!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at August 31, 2008 09:01 AM (xFNQx)

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 09:01 AM (xyyHG)

63

Red Tories trying to get some head from the MSM and keep those on-air invitations cumming coming.

/canadian reference for Frum

And aren't alot of these guys the same guys who wanted to surrender in Iraq 18 months ago? And who blew andi sullivan to improve their left-cred with the MSM until andi drank the jihadi milk Kool-Aid over gay marriage? It sounds like 0 for 3 to me.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 31, 2008 09:03 AM (qKkaY)

64

Hmm, I think those "cocksuckers" are going to get the message. 

Morons for MILF's. We WILL NOT BE FUCKED WITH!

It started here, and by God we'll ended here.  OK City "boy"?

Posted by: kempermanx at August 31, 2008 09:03 AM (2+9Yx)

65 The fact is that many of the supposed "intelligentsia" on the right has sold out to the mainstream a long time ago.  David Brooks is just the worst example of this, the guys at NRO are simply following suit. 

Let me give you an example of what I mean.  Once upon a time, Bill Kristol was leading a movement of new conservativism and had a great degree of freedom to say things that were not just sound bites, but were meaningful and important.  Then, he became a "fox all star", got invited to the DC cocktail scene and has totally sold-out (oh yeah, he's a jew too).  Occassionally some of these folks will write something meaningful, but now they are just to invested in what the establishment holds for them, fame, book deals and recognition as being "thoughtful."  If someone like Palin (or to some extent McCain) takes over and dismantles the DC scene, this is against their self-interest.  So, they are vested in conservativism, but only rinoish conservativism.  They are also cocksuckers (keep those numbers up).

Posted by: BTM at August 31, 2008 09:04 AM (v0dke)

66

It has been amazing to watch and read all of the left and some of the right's bashing and gnashing of teeth over Palin.  She really is getting under their skin which is brilliant!

Although I was going to pull the lever for McCain - I sure wasn't excited about it.   Now I can't wait!   I feel an energy and enthusiasm about this campaign as I am voting FOR a ticket now - not AGAINST one - Obama bin Biden.

The fact that she is the only one with Executive Leadership experience - not McCain, Biden, or Osama, keeps getting purposely ignored.

No man could ever treat a woman candidate worse than other women can...and they are.  These leftist broads are going nuts 'cuz Sarah happens to be everything they wish they were and aren't.  Ouch.

Posted by: Nurse Cheri at August 31, 2008 09:04 AM (cz6lG)

67 The people the NRO hates, loathes and despises... Wal Mart shoppers... are the people that keep Republicans in office.

the Cornerites and a fair portion of the conservative intelligentsia are a bunch of pussies.

And it's not a question of whether they are
conservative enough, in their urban detached chic sort of way. (my emphasis)

Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression from this thread, but it seems that comments like these are less focused on what the NRO crowd believes and advocates for, and more with the lifestyles they lead in their spare time. Who gives a shit about that? They're on the right side of the issues most of the time. And I'd also add that, despite the clear fact that most of you somehow find their lifestyles somehow offensive or pussified, they've defended yours several times in the past. I specifically remember Nordlinger writing a cover story a few years back praising Wal-Mart to the skies. They've also had good things to say about NASCAR and the like.

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 09:05 AM (JJGKw)

68 NRO is a refuge for elitists who don't want to come out and admit they are elitists. Except for a few pleasing exceptions NRO is infested with rightwing Dan Rathers and cocktail party poppinjays. Rarely do their perceptions of domestic politics extend beyond the Beltway and very few of their minds or opinions are worth a moment of our time. Their ignorance and narcissism is dwarfed only by their insatiable need to felate each other.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2008 09:07 AM (SeMKR)

69 Most contributors to NRO are effete urban intellectuals. To them, going to a NASCAR race is an anthropological experiment. The only thing they have in common with 95% of conservatives across the country is ideology. But in every other way they are more like the liberal intelligentsia.

They. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2008 09:07 AM (qAMnO)

70

love this band.  here's a song for the PUMA contingent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0OobjFxgVY&feature=related

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 09:08 AM (xyyHG)

71 In  2004, I voted for the Libertarian candidate. I don't even remember his name now.

Sarah Palin has grabbed Libertarians by the collar and said "Come with me if you want to live". I think this aspect is being underestimated. Yeah, the abortion thing isn't so great for libertarians, but she doesn't preach about it, she just lives her personal convictions. Libertarians respect that. Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, the worst that happens is that the issue is returned to the states. Do you think California or Massachusetts will outlaw abortion? Please.

And her small-government anti-corruption cred earns massive props with libertarians. Reason magazine needs to get on board ASAP. They have a weird anti-McCain vibe over there, I think it's because one of their senior people wrote an anti-McCain book they're trying to flog.

Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 09:08 AM (ubHgw)

72 I recently questioned Jonah about a statement he made regarding the Alaska conservative base.  I got an immediate response, although it was quite defensive.  Sheesh!  I don't even read NRO anymore...effete boobs is right!

Sorry, PA, I can't find anything to agree them about.

Posted by: 8starsnorth at August 31, 2008 09:08 AM (wLqv4)

73 Get off me right now!  Once your pair has descended like a real man, you can sit back down.

Posted by: Jonah's Couch at August 31, 2008 09:08 AM (owHNy)

74 Half this nation uses double negatives, and I don't think NRO grasps that-- although the DNC can't approach them without packing them into a niche audience to be pandered to. Take the battle to the other side.

Posted by: Squire of Dimness at August 31, 2008 09:09 AM (o4MaC)

75

And aren't alot of these guys the same guys who wanted to surrender in Iraq 18 months ago? And who blew andi sullivan to improve their left-cred with the MSM until andi drank the jihadi milk Kool-Aid over gay marriage? It sounds like 0 for 3 to me.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 31, 2008 02:03 PM (qKkaY)

um, and for the team

cocksuckers

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 09:10 AM (xyyHG)

76

I think this guy works at NRO.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540

cocksuckers!

Posted by: kempermanx at August 31, 2008 09:15 AM (2+9Yx)

77 I started losing respect for the NRO crew on election day in 2004, when they began breathlessly reporting the bogus exit polls and wetting themselves over how that meant Kerry was going to win.  Sheesh -- even I, ignorant peon that I am, could tell from two thousand miles away that the exit polls meant nothing, and were either structurally unsound or deliberately manipulated so as to influence balloting further west.  But not those self-important, self-appointed "experts", nope. 

I cannot imagine a group of people that I would less like to be stuck in a foxhole with.  Not that I'd be stuck with them for long, of course...they'd throw away their rifles and run for the rear at the first sign of the enemy.

Since then, have they ever been right about anything?  I don't go there anymore, but occasionally I see them quoted elsewhere, and they appear to be nothing more than credulous rumor-mongers with worse than average sources, still, however, trying to pretend that they have more little grey cells than the rest of us.

William F. Buckley Jr. must indeed be looking down from on high and shaking his head sadly at what has become of his literary legacy.

Posted by: HT at August 31, 2008 09:16 AM (CZU0o)

78 What's wrong with NRO? You  know they are all crying in their chardonnay because the Nats were the first team eliminated from the playoffs. They would probably support a federal subsidy for the Nats to get Arod.

Posted by: Rocks at August 31, 2008 09:17 AM (7rbe9)

79 And this, from Rick Douchewiser, is perhaps the most cocksuckerish thing to appear on NRO re Sarah and the base so far:

"Palin will also be assigned to pacify conservatives. On the evidence of the numerous emails reprinted here, that will be easily done. Reader after reader said that the base was now energized. You would have thought the base was energized by being in a war. If not, perhaps we need a new base.

We have shown the same color-by-numbers mindset that liberals did when they rallied to Obama. Liberals love Obama because he is a Numinous Negro. Conservatives love Palin because she has a Downs baby and an M-16. For both sides, that is all on earth ye know and all ye need to know. You might call it mystical and childish"

Seriously, fuck you, Rick.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at August 31, 2008 09:18 AM (xFNQx)

80 Another bonus for libertarians - Sarah-cuda is Dagny Taggart and Wyoming Knott rolled up into a single package.

Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 09:18 AM (ubHgw)

81 Most contributors to NRO are effete urban intellectuals. To them, going to a NASCAR race is an anthropological experiment. The only thing they have in common with 95% of conservatives across the country is ideology. But in every other way they are more like the liberal intelligentsia.

And this just proves my point. You admit that, ideologically, they're with you, which should be what matters. Instead, you bitch that they're not huge NASCAR fans, as is their fucking prerogative as independent, freethinking citizens.

I too live in a Northeastern city (oops!), and, to be honest, I'd rather go hear the symphony or some other faggoty thing than go to a NASCAR race. Personal preference, nothing more. I also think Palin was a fine pick for VP. So: Does this mean that I'm closer to you or the liberal intelligentsia?

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 09:19 AM (JJGKw)

82 The fact is that many of the supposed "intelligentsia" on the right has sold out to the mainstream a long time ago.

Ace has tried to sell out a few times. But we always lure him back with promises of val-u-rite and all the Vienna Cocktail Sausages he could eat.  Works every time.

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 09:19 AM (PRn5M)

83 Damn sock puppets.

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 09:21 AM (xFNQx)

84 "Besides any man opposed to her is just a sucker of cock by choice."
That's why I'm pro-choice.

Posted by: andi sullivan at August 31, 2008 09:21 AM (qKkaY)

85

Andrew, dude, this is a flame thread ... it's supposed to be over the top.  Sheesh.

But seriously, NRO can come to my cave and kiss my ass.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at August 31, 2008 09:21 AM (WhFvm)

86 Ace was all set to sell out but he didn't have change for the $5 so they said forget it.

Posted by: Rocks at August 31, 2008 09:22 AM (7rbe9)

87

grc,

Now you've told everyone.  Ace will be deluged with Valu rite from all corners of the world.  Dare I say the Kos Kids will try and take him from us?  Those cocksuckers.

(This is really getting easy)

Posted by: kempermanx at August 31, 2008 09:23 AM (2+9Yx)

88 Hermit Dave:

People don't seem to be joking.

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 09:24 AM (JJGKw)

89 grc, maybe we can get the staff of NRO to go on a hobo hunt, that will show their real street cred.

Posted by: BTM at August 31, 2008 09:24 AM (v0dke)

90 "Reason magazine needs to get on board ASAP."

Despite the fact that http://reason.com/blog/show/128464.html
Palin "seems to be about as good a pick from a major party as libertarians could hope for" those chuckleheads can only snark about the fact that she happens to be a woman.

I remember when people read Reason for serious public policy articles. Since Postrel left, you have a better chance of reading such articles in Tiger Beat.

Posted by: Oschisms at August 31, 2008 09:25 AM (MEOwc)

91 Right side of the issues?  Let's see.  When the AP was dishonestly screwing with the facts and trying to bum rush America into a ruinous defeat in Iraq during the Jamil Hussein caper Rich Lowry wrote this opus called "When the Media is Right" and pulled the AP's fat out of the fire and sold out every American soldier in Iraq that was counting on the right leaning media to tell the truth....but he got himself a whole bunch of TV time.  When the TNR was portraying every single American soldier in Iraq as sadistic murderers what did we get from KLO and JPod... fevered defenses of the TNR.  When McCain finally wises up and picks an anti-corruption Vice Presidential candidate what do we get.  Hysterical attacks on the anti-corruption candidate.  When it appears that millions of women voters may be willing to give Palin a shot and screw the Democrats what do we get.  Sexist crap from the NRO about Palin.    The NRO was only on the right side of those issues if you happened to be in favor of screwing American soldiers over, retreat in Iraq, dishonesty in the media, corruption in government, losing elections and getting more members of the NRO face time on TV.  Me, I'm luke warm on those particular goals.  Your milage may vary.

Posted by: The Obvious at August 31, 2008 09:25 AM (1g+FW)

92 And this just proves my point. You admit that, ideologically, they're with you, which should be what matters. Instead, you bitch that they're not huge NASCAR fans, as is their fucking prerogative as independent, freethinking citizens.

Are you not picking up we're putting down on purpose, Andrew? It isn't that they live a different lifestyle as most conservatives. It's that they are more attached to and defensive of the political establishment than there ideology, and, hence, 95% of other conservatives in the country. This is about the base vs. the establishment, not lifestyles.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2008 09:26 AM (qAMnO)

93 Those fucking pussies wouldn't have any idea what to do with a straight razor and a rag full of ether.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 09:26 AM (6L459)

94 I forgot; who is the Democrat candidate?

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2008 09:27 AM (SeMKR)

95 They are so busy looking at the blue elephant in the bathtub that they missed the 30-million vote gorilla.

Posted by: Squire of Dimness at August 31, 2008 09:27 AM (o4MaC)

96 All the staff of NRO needs to do to reestablish their bona fides is to not specify the brand of vodka when they order  a mixed drink the next time they hit the press club. Oh yeah and don't ask for a cocktail or highball either. Cocksuckers.

Posted by: Rocks at August 31, 2008 09:28 AM (7rbe9)

97 "Once upon a time, Bill Kristol was leading a movement of new conservativism and had a great degree of freedom to say things that were not just sound bites, but were meaningful and important.  Then, he became a "fox all star", got invited to the DC cocktail scene and has totally sold-out..."

Temporarily interrupting this circle-jerk self-destructive one-way "flamewar" to remind you that Kristol's consistently been for Palin before most of you had heard of her.

Posted by: Dave J at August 31, 2008 09:29 AM (qsGH+)

98 To his credit, Andy McCarthy pointed out to the douchebag that that baby and rifle represent lifestyle choices that show Palin's got conservative instincts. Something the McCain ticket has been lacking until now.

Posted by: Oschisms at August 31, 2008 09:29 AM (MEOwc)

99 ideologically, they're with you

Only in highly theoretical abstract way.  anything that actually involves real work or getting hands dirty, they'll have a sock drawer in serious need of rearranging that day.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 09:29 AM (6L459)

100

Here's mine to Goldberg;

“I’m pulling for her too”.

 Then act like it!  Try showing a little enthusiasm, maybe even a little optimism.

Did you hear Limbaugh the other day?  Learn!  He knows, just like the rest of America knows, that Palin is a choice that shakes the socialists right down to their socks.

And if the weenies at NRO would try actively supporting her, rather than indulging in the ever-so-predictable hand-wringing, navel-gazing “yes but-“ ing, all for the purpose of showing off their “deep” understanding of American politics, we might just kick a little ass in Nov.

You guys need to get out more.  A lot more.

And the next time someone calls you a racist because you don’t support the campus commie they’re running- try kicking them in the balls before you explain for the 500th time that you aren’t a racist.  Try it once, I guarantee you won’t have to do it more than a few times.  And you’ll feel and look like a man afterwards.

Posted by: rickinstl at August 31, 2008 09:29 AM (uV1ev)

101 It's Osama something, eman.  I forget.

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 09:29 AM (xFNQx)

102 Do any of them meet Harry's code?

Posted by: Dexter at August 31, 2008 09:30 AM (gBnKJ)

103 I've spammed this once before, but I have to recommend this awesome Palin YouTube vid (I didn't make it, I found the link at HotAir).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvBbcFDPI0

Posted by: Jim62sch at August 31, 2008 09:30 AM (ubHgw)

104 Some fucking "flame" thread, sissies.


Scientists concerned for her health are rushing to invent a speaker large enough to blast "Hungry Like the Wolf" at sufficient volume to shake the K-Lo chubbolith off her chocolate-trough, while her religious fans pray for the sake of her soul that no one tells her the Vatican isn't actually a giant church-shaped cake, etc.


I don't even know what she looks like. Doesn't matter. Thread-CPR.

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at August 31, 2008 09:31 AM (eYJeU)

105 They were so reluctant to slam their drinking buds at NR it was embarrassing.

Inside the beltway, all roads lead pretty much to the same place. 

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 31, 2008 09:32 AM (6L459)

106 "And the next time someone calls you a racist because you don’t support the campus commie they’re running- try kicking them in the balls before you explain for the 500th time that you aren’t a racist. Try it once, I guarantee you won’t have to do it more than a few times. And you’ll feel and look like a man afterwards."

Great post!  Great advice!

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 09:33 AM (xFNQx)

107 It is not that hard to understand, and I note that Victor Davis Hanson and Mark Steyn are totally onboard with this pick, which should be all the hint the hiptards need.

Let's see, Steyn is a Canuck with  a British accent (WTF?, I've always asked) that lives in the woods of NH, and VDH is a farmer that got an education because farming 50 acres in California and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee in most places.  The "back-woods-hick" IS the Republican party.  As a backwoods hick, I can assure you that we all have higher IQs than Joe Biden, too.  So there.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 31, 2008 09:33 AM (dvo4w)

108 The NRO guys are on the right side it is true and some like VDH and Steyn are true assets to the cause. The rest are more akin to the Republican by Birth that we used to see from the Northeast or have a conservatism that is an intellectual contrivance like libertarianism. That's why they don't get the Palin pick. Hell, I'm not even sure McCain fully realized what a game changer she is. I suspect he had some clue and that's why we didn't get one of those dessicated insiders we've been hearing about. Libby Dole would not have brought in 5 million smackeroos.

Oh Pfish wondered "Are there any other cultural icons that she can be painted as?  Melanie Griffith in Working Girl, perhaps."

I'm thinking Northern Exposure. Maybe Jan if her high school sweetheart had lived or something.

Posted by: Ronsonic at August 31, 2008 09:33 AM (ywSvi)

109 I see, noticing that the morons at the NRO  have done their best to sabotage their current candidate for president with Kos talking points is self destructive.  Sabotaging said candidate... the best in conservatism.  Beautiful.

Posted by: The Obvious at August 31, 2008 09:34 AM (1g+FW)

110 This is the same parochial bullshit we saw in the primaries when they all ripped on Fred.

As for Brookheiser, his lefty wife may have something to do with it.

Posted by: NRO basher at August 31, 2008 09:34 AM (x35Fs)

111 K-Lo is the least of the NRO offenders at the moment.  The scorn is best aimed at assholes like Brookhiser.

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 09:35 AM (xFNQx)

112

great song, great video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYPVQt-hZ2M&feature=related

definitely not cocksuckers

 

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 09:37 AM (xyyHG)

113

No hobos, especially not NRO ones, ever meet Harry's code, Dexter.

Want some ice for your Valu-Rite?

Posted by: Rudy at August 31, 2008 09:38 AM (qKkaY)

114

I don't think K-Lo is the least of anything.  Unless Goldberg ate his couch.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at August 31, 2008 09:38 AM (WhFvm)

115 Bringing down NRO can only benefit one man...

Posted by: Hugh F'n Hewitt at August 31, 2008 09:39 AM (owHNy)

116 No, go ahead.  I feel better now.

Posted by: The Obvious at August 31, 2008 09:39 AM (1g+FW)

117 Maybe this will help the NRO girls understand Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin is a Klingon female. She ends every phone conversation with "Die well!"

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2008 09:39 AM (SeMKR)

118 "As for Brookheiser, his lefty wife may have something to do with it."

Oh, for crying out loud, DON'T MARRY LEFTIST CHICKS!  That is not the way to marital bliss.  Think about what happens after the sex ends; you have nothing left but to grow old alongside someone who swoons over dictators, hates your country and most likely thinks killing babies is a good idea.

On the other hand, Brookhiser deserves every long moment of it.

Posted by: Kensington at August 31, 2008 09:40 AM (xFNQx)

119 Ace I kinda agree with you but it was fun while it lasted. This sure the hell isn't a real issue for me. I do like reading NRO.

Posted by: Rocks at August 31, 2008 09:40 AM (7rbe9)

120 Maybe these guys need to start smoking joints like the guys running their damned ForceNet 5000 miles away need to consider doing. It would be more than a little appreciated by the so-called masses, who, by the way, don't believe a thing that anyone in Washington says.

Posted by: Squire of Dimness at August 31, 2008 09:41 AM (o4MaC)

121 You shouldn't close it, ace. There's a substantive argument here. We're just making in our impolitic sort of way. It's not that some of them at NRO disagree or challenge the Palin pick. It's the way they do it.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2008 09:41 AM (qAMnO)

122 grc, maybe we can get the staff of NRO to go on a hobo hunt, that will show their real street cred.

Alas, I fear Ace has traded hobo hunting for long walks on the beach, candle lit dinners, holding hands, and cornholing.

Posted by: grc at August 31, 2008 09:42 AM (PRn5M)

123

Brookhiser's comments would not be out of place on Daily Kos.

Vile sucker of cock.  Amazing that a guy who rightly notes the founding fathers would approve of today's hardball political campaigning is shitting his underoos at the idea that McCain might have made his pick only to influence the race.

 

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 31, 2008 09:44 AM (wgLRl)

124 The Obvious, you're right.  It was the chummy "TNR are our friends, they can't be to blame" during the Beauchamp debacle that really clinched it.

Posted by: NRO basher at August 31, 2008 09:44 AM (x35Fs)

125 To his credit, Andy McCarthy pointed out to the douchebag that that baby and rifle represent lifestyle choices that show Palin's got conservative instincts. Loved him in Mannequin.

Posted by: DSkinner at August 31, 2008 09:45 AM (tyTPa)

126 I hated the idea of voting for McCain -- until I started reading about Gov. Palin. My God, I can't wait until she runs for President.

And, I can't wait for the VP debates. You know Biden is going to do something goofy. 

I'm giddy as a school girl.

Posted by: R. Sherman at August 31, 2008 09:47 AM (rwcvo)

127 Thanks for those links funky chicken, I think I have a new favorite band.

Posted by: DPR VIII at August 31, 2008 09:52 AM (4XUD3)

128 National Review has a lot in common with Newsweek and the NYT in this.  Palin is as far outside their comfortable circle as she is the Senate's, and thus to be belittled and feared.

Frankly, ever since Buckley declared the war a mistake, and Jonah stood up  for Front Page Frankie, I've lost most of my respect for NR/NRO.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at August 31, 2008 09:54 AM (zITw9)

129

thought this was about flaming...

You know (beltway cino), it makes one wonder what with that snot filled nose and cleft pallet of yours, exactly how the devil you manage to keep breathing unassisted when you get yourself all worked up like this.

It boggles the mind, no?

At first i thought you had the IQ of an ice scraper, but then it occured to me that an ice scraper has 2 things you dont: Direction and purpose
.

 

Posted by: ugly id joe at August 31, 2008 09:57 AM (QOu25)

130 Dude, I know I've seen a few links from NRO to here recently.

Posted by: Gaping Asshole at August 31, 2008 09:57 AM (uBBFe)

131 Off and on I've read "the corner", mostly to find what Goldberg was listing as the time wasting website game of the day.

I used to try and read NRO - even bought a subscription to DTNRO - once, and let it expire  It just never connected with me. 

I haven't even cruised through the corner  for a couple of years, it was just too "insider" for me what with all the neo-con, paleo-con, crunchy-con talk. 
 

Posted by: anne at August 31, 2008 10:04 AM (uJBct)

132 Kudos on reopening the thread, ace.  The memory hole is for kostards.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at August 31, 2008 10:31 AM (anXNR)

133

Yeah, when that flaming jagoff rod Dreher squealed on and on about that shit, it was time for me to move on.

Looking at it from an outsider's pov, it was seriously stupid that that stupid goofy idea was ever taken seriously by anybody over there.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at August 31, 2008 10:35 AM (vFeQi)

134

To Goldbergs credit, he was spot on ripping Dreher on the whole Crunchy Con BS.

He's usually not wrong. But I liked him alot better back when he was getting advice from his couch instead of whoever has his ear now.

This issue just shows that while Goldberg is right 85% of the time, Steyn is right 95% of the time. And (unlike Goldberg) a big of gray hair and a few cocktails haven't caused him to lose his sense of humor (or penchant for some healthy risk) about the whole godawful business.

Posted by: Entropy at August 31, 2008 10:47 AM (HgAV0)

135

Someone has hijacked my username.

Uh, good one.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at August 31, 2008 10:54 AM (vFeQi)

136 Goddammit - I came back into the comments to see folks ripping on Brookheiser!

Where are the fucking flames?...

Posted by: Mouth Breather at August 31, 2008 11:04 AM (owHNy)

137 The re-opening of this thread brought to you by Palin Brand Biscuits.
Now with twice the baby seal fat!


Posted by: Palin Brand Biscuits at August 31, 2008 11:17 AM (gBnKJ)

138 I have nothing against the NRO, William F Buckley was someone I greatly admired and I respect the views of fellow conseravtives, but I'm a simple moron and I much prefer the insights found here. I can't understand all those big words and shit they wrote over at NRO.

Posted by: joan at August 31, 2008 11:26 AM (3SIDD)

139 You know, I have no problem with them being critical. NRO has an interesting array of people, and yes, I don't like some of their preferred pols, but that's fine. Allahpundit usually pisses on our parade, too, but I think he's generally well-liked amongst us morons. Look, it's not like any of them will be pulling for Obama, and only a few will be pulling for Barr (probably Derbyshire, because he's a cranky old coot.... and because, like me, he lives in NY and knows it won't make a damn difference who we vote for.)

Posted by: meep at August 31, 2008 11:43 AM (7uTCa)

140

As I was incredibly sarcastic in regard to the closing of this thread, I'm happy to give ace equal kudos for reopening it.  And, though I’m certainly willing to give him a hard time if I think he’s wrong, I will also note that it's his site, his rules, and we should respect that (as much as morons are capable of respect anyway).

So ... er .... NRO sucks!  Bleh, between the various threads, I think I've exhausted my vitriol on the topic.  I hate the Corner, haven't read it in years, and only jumped back in the last few days to see what all the excitement was about.  Clearly, this was a mistake I won't be making again any time soon.

Posted by: Hermit Dave at August 31, 2008 11:46 AM (WhFvm)

141

That said, let's not kid ourselves about Palin. Yeah she seems great but there are a lot of unknowns about her that may or may prove to be problems or assets. And can any one honestly say if Hillary hadn't been such a factor or if Sarah  was  white guy named Samuel, the first term governor of the 48th most populous state with zero national profile would have been the VP nominiee? Really?

Look I'm more inclined to support this ticket than I ever thought I would be but to say anyone who questions the move is defacto off the conservative reservation is just bizzare.

-Drew

I'm right with you, Drew. To hell with anyone who says otherwise. 

Posted by: MlR at August 31, 2008 11:50 AM (PLmsY)

142 Thanks for reopening this thread, Ace. The best medicine for all of this is for Sarah Palin to kick ass in the days ahead.

Posted by: eman at August 31, 2008 12:05 PM (SeMKR)

143 A major reason we're in trouble is that people reflexively carried the Republican Party's shit simply because they had Rs after their name. I'm not going to pile onto NRO because they've belated realized cheering 'rah, rah' for the team isn't always the best move. Palin may or may not turn out to be a good pick and/or a good VP. There's still numerous unknowns at this point. If you can't acknowledge that, you've got issues.

Posted by: MlR at August 31, 2008 12:19 PM (PLmsY)

144 And the "commander of the Alaskan National Guard" type panegyrics, with the inference that she commanded troops in battle, are lame.

Posted by: MlR at August 31, 2008 12:21 PM (PLmsY)

145

M1R, sure raise legit questions.  But this?

"Palin will also be assigned to pacify conservatives. On the evidence of the numerous emails reprinted here, that will be easily done. Reader after reader said that the base was now energized. You would have thought the base was energized by being in a war. If not, perhaps we need a new base.

We have shown the same color-by-numbers mindset that liberals did when they rallied to Obama. Liberals love Obama because he is a Numinous Negro. Conservatives love Palin because she has a Downs baby and an M-16. For both sides, that is all on earth ye know and all ye need to know. You might call it mystical and childish"

Posted by: funky chicken at August 31, 2008 12:57 PM (xyyHG)

146 You guys are making yourselves look like idiots right now. I disagree with them about Palin too, but the idea that NRO isn't conservative enough, as many of you are claiming, is retarded.

Posted by: AndrewR at August 31, 2008 08:44 AM (JJGKw)

Word. It's just a few of them anyway: Brookhiser, Ponnuru, Frum, & Adler.

Posted by: Purple Fury at August 31, 2008 12:58 PM (Fu0ST)

147 Yeah, it's time the elite blue-blood main-stream Republicans are given a swift kick by the small 'r' republicans, the big 'C'onservatives.

This is the same sort of thing Ronald Reagan faced in 1982, when the Rockefeller sorts, worried, installed Bush Sr. as VP to keep Reagan under thumb. We see how that played out...Reagan is a hero to those of us who appreciate a strong conservative politician; Bush, and later Bush the Weaker, not so much.

Sarah Palin I can see installed to keep conservative check on John McCain. And, later, as the strong 'C'onservative we'll need to lead the party out of the wilderness. Even if we lose this one, Palin-Jindal or Jindal-Palin is our future.

And to hell with most of those non-Conservative sissified weakling RINOs at NRO (not so much Jonah Goldberg, as he did give us Liberal Fascism, which is one of the best reads I've thouroughly enjoyed in years..) 

Posted by: serr8d at August 31, 2008 12:59 PM (Vs+Ga)

148 Although, this is some funny shit right here:

"Stop calling Sarah 'lame', or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered."

Posted by: Purple Fury at August 31, 2008 12:59 PM (Fu0ST)

149 Alright, #57, how in the world did you manage that before I even first posted at #61?

And, 'lame' and 'Palin' will never happen together in another sentence I write. I was blogging for Sarah in mid-March.

Posted by: serr8d at August 31, 2008 01:12 PM (rH1oN)

150 Sorry, Looks like I first posted  at #77, not 61. Unless these numbers are changing...

Posted by: serr8d at August 31, 2008 01:18 PM (rH1oN)

151 7 Reporters and Legislators both think talking and voting and proposing and debating and researching is similar to doing. They're mistaken.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at August 31, 2008 08:08 AM (TPRbZ)

 

Well said PJ

Posted by: Hammer at August 31, 2008 01:28 PM (iq/aE)

152 Not exactly an NRO flame, but: JoeBama is so dumb that when they heard Hillary complaining about the glass ceiling they had to go upstairs to see what was above it. JoeBama is so dumb they think they are running against George Bush. (JoeBama is so dumb they got fired from the M&M factory cuz they kept complaining about all the W's?) JoeBama is so conceited they think they can push back the tides. JoeBama talk so much they make Bill Clinton look like Silent Cal. JoeBama is so dumb that they have a 57 state strategy. JoeBama is so dumb their campaign slogan is "Whip Underinflation Now". JoeBama is so dumb that their brain make less electricity than solar does. JoeBama is so dumb that when someone said they had verbal diarrhea, they gave each other Kaopectate suppositories. JoeBama is so dumb that if they tried to tell us what is really on their minds they would be speechless. When JoeBama heard they were on the shortbus, they got a bigger bus. JoeBama is so dumb they think gravitas comes with chops. JoeBama is so dumb they think we believe William Ayers is just "some guy I know". JoeBama talk so much That they could end the global warming "crisis" just by shutting their yaps. JoeBama wears combat boots cuz then we supposed to forget McCain is a war hero. JoeBama is so dumb they think beating up on Sarah Palin is a winning strategy. JoeBama is so dumb they think we give a shit what the cocksucker effetists at NRO think.

Posted by: mrobvious at August 31, 2008 01:52 PM (f1wSu)

153 Great formatting options, Ace.

Posted by: mrobvious at August 31, 2008 01:55 PM (f1wSu)

154 The numbers here are very changey. NTTAWWT...

Posted by: serr8d at August 31, 2008 01:56 PM (wLXtQ)

155 This is the same parochial bullshit we saw in the primaries when they all ripped on Fred.

Well, in this case, it was deserved. Fred ran a really crappy campaign.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 31, 2008 02:16 PM (/GQkp)

156 The Corner is at the top of my blog list, and that won't change. But it sure took them a long time to come around on illegal immigration and a few other issues. (I no longer read Weekly Standard because of illegal immigration, unless it linked). (Is it time, yet, to be discussing that "sovereignty issue", nro?) That said, Ace of Spades is the last link on my blog list. After I've formed my own opinions reading the other sites, I come here, to get reality smacked back into my head. I love the Jolly Roger. E. pluribus unum.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 31, 2008 04:34 PM (V9xKq)

157 Is this thread really closed to comments?

Posted by: fredras at August 31, 2008 04:44 PM (1OMSg)

158

Ive heard K-Lo on Bill Bennetts show

She is far sharper, more articulate and thoughtful than her Corner comments come across 

Posted by: TMF at August 31, 2008 05:54 PM (/YM8H)

159

How dare those Goobers over at NRO dog on THE SARAH. I mean she is HOT. Why do you think the polar ice cap is melting? It sure aint global warming. She's so hot that when McCain dies all the world leaders are gonna do whatever she wants because of her Hotness. A little shortskirt action for the Asians, A nipple flash for the Arabs, and a full frontal for Putin they'll be putty in her hands. She can send Todd over to Europe to bring those weenies back up to stuff. No foreign policy experience my ass! Come on NRO Cocksuckers get with the program, She's HOT.

Posted by: Awnree at August 31, 2008 10:48 PM (eH8Cv)

160 As a bisexual, sports-hatin', latte-drinkin', Linux-geekin' conservative/libertarian living in the Midwest, in a county of under 200,000 souls, may I say that Sarah Palin is the best thing since Ronald Reagan*.

I understand the hostility and name-calling towards NRO. I don't think they understand just how much we need a Palin; perhaps they've forgotten how much they need us.

*Yes, Dubya has disappointed me a few times, but I cheerfully voted for him in '04 (and, looking back, shudder at the thought of Gore/Kerry/Obama).

Posted by: somercet at September 01, 2008 01:18 AM (6a6vW)

161

I see what happens when conservatism becomes a merely metropolitan cult: conservative politics becomes marginalized and impotent. That's not going to happen here; and it won't be me and my big city pals that prevent it, it'll be the legions of real, authentic conservatives out there in the provinces.

http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire050803.asp

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