October 31, 2011

Now Like Herman Cain's Drunk or Something
Wait A Minute, He Was Asked To Sing

— Ace

He Was Asked To Sing: I didn't know that. Here's the context.

Okay, that's kind of different, because even though a Christian hymn is still out-of-place at a press conference, if he was asked to do it by the moderator, then he has only two imperfect options (sing, in an inappropriate venue, or refuse someone's request).

I honestly thought the guy just decided to sing for the hell of it. Not so much.

Thanks to Jumbo Jogging Shrimp.


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I know I'm supposed to say it's awesome that Cain sung a Christian spiritual hymn at a press conference, but I really don't think so.

(Why not? I know among some strains of Christianity the Public Expression of Religion is strongly favored. Among others, though, and among those who aren't really religious at all, or are of a different religion, it's a turn-off, and odd. There's something that really rankles people (including me) about the "Elect me, I love Jesus" gambit. What does that have to do with anything?)

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1 W-T-F

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (yAor6)

2 Matt Damon!

Posted by: Matt Damon at October 31, 2011 10:45 AM (5eVSI)

3 You're in, kid!

Posted by: The Commodores at October 31, 2011 10:46 AM (Xnw5y)

4

"I know among some strains of Christianity the Public Expression of Religion is strongly favored."

Do you mean "expression by public officials" or "expression by private individuals in public"?

Not that there aren't enough strains of Christianity for both to be true somewhere, mind, but I'd support the latter and not the former.

Posted by: Randy M at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (vI8R6)

5 It wasn't a particularly 'I love Jesus' type hymn- if he'd sung 'Amazing Grace' itself, would you have thought it problematic?  That's a hymn too.  At least he's got pipes, man.

Posted by: mtwzzyzx at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (yByQb)

6 There's something that really rankles people (including me) about the "Elect me, I love Jesus" gambit.

H8ter.

Posted by: Anita Perry at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (Xnw5y)

7

OT - Perry leads Obama in WI according to Ras but Obama beats Romney and Cain there

I smell outlier

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (yAor6)

8 Jesus was against it mostly because those who did it were using piety to mask their own corruption.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:47 AM (T0NGe)

9

Wish I could get the audio past the proxy here at the office.

I know this rubs the faithless the wrong way but I'd like to hear it.

But I sometimes talk about my faith in public and happen to be the music leader in my Church so....

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (/bVuS)

10

Hey, keeps me in the headlines.

No, the OTHER headlines.

Posted by: That's MR. Cain to you at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (SCcgT)

11 It's hard to know how to appease the goofy, emotional people who are legal to vote.   

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (kpb4T)

12 it's probably just a coincidence he chose to sing the day the bad news started to come out

Posted by: proreason at October 31, 2011 10:48 AM (nnlXI)

13 GOP Primary: The Musical!

Posted by: Slublog at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (0nqdj)

14 He has a fine voice.

Posted by: toby928 Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (GTbGH)

15

So should I just give up the goat and slit my wrists now?  Since apparently every candidate is either A) insane or B) corrupt.  I just want to know so I can plan accordingly.  This is just too damn exhausting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (4df7R)

16 Maybe for the next debate all the candidates should just sing instead.

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (E7I0g)

17 Isn't Cain an ordained minister?  Watch that get hammered.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at October 31, 2011 10:49 AM (zgHLA)

18

8

If Cain is corrupt, the MSM will dig it up.  And it might even be true.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (kpb4T)

19 >>>I know this rubs the faithless the wrong way but I'd like to hear it. The faithless are beginning to worry that when we speak of a "strong conservative candidate" that many people really mean that as code for a "strong Christian candidate."

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (nj1bB)

20

Do you mean "expression by public officials" or "expression by private individuals in public"?

Not that there aren't enough strains of Christianity for both to be true somewhere, mind, but I'd support the latter and not the former.

Why?  Have you never read anything said or written by an American politician prior to the sixties?  They used to pray while speaking as a representative of the people.  Why is that now wrong?


Good enough for Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson... ought to be good enough for us.

W

Posted by: mtwzzyzx at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (yByQb)

21 Nobody knows ... the trouble I've seen ...

Posted by: rick perry's hair at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (GTbGH)

22 damn......he can sing............

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 10:51 AM (s+J9D)

23 I'm beginning to think Douglas Adams was right.

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (l8nIR)

24 >>>So should I just give up the goat and slit my wrists now? Since apparently every candidate is either A) insane or B) corrupt. I just want to know so I can plan accordingly. This is just too damn exhausting. I'm leaning towards "slitting my wrists" at the moment. I might just cut horizontally, though, so it's more of a Cry for Help than actual suicide attempt.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (nj1bB)

25 Nice pipes, but has he got a love like mine?

Posted by: Barry White at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (RD7QR)

26 What sucks is I already know more about every republican candidate than I ever will about Barack Obama.

It. Just. Doesn't. Matter.

Posted by: Hmmmm at October 31, 2011 10:52 AM (pVvkk)

27

<<The faithless are beginning to worry that when we speak of a "strong conservative candidate" that many people really mean that as code for a "strong Christian candidate.">>

I hate to expose my ignorance, but it wasn't until I started hanging out here that I realized it didn't.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (kpb4T)

28

ace at October 31, 2011 03:50 PM (nj1bB)

*****

OK, fine, but since Christians outnumber the "faithless", I'd rather he pander to the former rather than the later.

 

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (Y2WVW)

29 >>>Why? Have you never read anything said or written by an American politician prior to the sixties? They used to pray while speaking as a representative of the people. Why is that now wrong? Because I'm not voting for someone to save my soul. Saving the fisc is enough, thank you. Further, this is a bullshit stab at tribalism. "Vote for me, I come from the same ethos as you." Fine. Then expect people who are not from the same ethos to react accordingly.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (nj1bB)

30 Hey, I like that. Singing a little bit of a hymn, at the National Press Club? Come on, that's some good stuff.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (Xm1aB)

31 Herman Cain just shit the bed.

Posted by: MJ at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (BKOsZ)

32

8

If Cain is corrupt, the MSM will dig it up.  And it might even be true.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 03:50 PM (kpb4T)

I'm not saying he is, BTW, it's just that when you see somebody loudly expressing faith out of context, they want you to call your attention to their faith.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:53 AM (T0NGe)

33 Yeah, but can he play the piano?

Posted by: Zombie Harry Truman at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (hW3KZ)

34 I've decided I want Ron Paul for president.

Republican House
Democratic Senate
Ron Paul President

Nothing would get done. Sounds better than giving people power anymore.

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (l8nIR)

35

19, oops. I typo'ed it. I meant "I like to hear it".

I don't mind public expressions of personal faith at all. But..........when it comes to governance they need to throw the leash of The Constitution around it.

This tends to make my a heretic to many of my Southern Baptist bretheren. The ones who spin around on their heads at the thought of a lottery.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (/bVuS)

36 >>>OK, fine, but since Christians outnumber the "faithless", I'd rather he pander to the former rather than the later. In the primary.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (nj1bB)

37 The faithless are beginning to worry that when we speak of a "strong conservative candidate" that many people really mean that as code for a "strong Christian candidate."

(the prior is a quote- maybe this time the italics will take in posting too...)
Is there a problem with that?  If people have a problem wtih it, I'd mention to them that FDR (Dem hero) used to lead the nation in prayer regularly.

Posted by: mtwzzyzx at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (yByQb)

38 Bartender, I'll have what he's having.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 31, 2011 10:54 AM (jx2j9)

39 Yeah, but can he play the piano?

Yeah, what about that?

Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (hW3KZ)

40 he can sing the 9-9-9 plan to me anytime he wants

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (s+J9D)

41 If "I'll vote for him because he's strong for Jesus" is a good reason to vote FOR someone, it also must be a good reason to vote agaisnt someone.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (nj1bB)

42 'he used to sing, sweet-sweet love to me

Posted by: one of the un-named women at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (V92KK)

43

ace at October 31, 2011 03:52 PM (nj1bB)

*****

By the way, that whole "cut vertically if you are serious about killing yourself"?

Total nonsense. 

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (Y2WVW)

44 If he wasn't an Uncle Tom, he'd be covering P Diddy.

Posted by: Sir Rapes-A-Lot at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (bZ8J6)

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (Xnw5y)

46

AMISH DUDE
Did you Cain has a degree in Mathematics?  From his wiki page "graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics."

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (j/wD+)

47 I watched the speech and 4 or 5 of the Q&A questions.  I did think he was drunk at first.  I'm not joking.  Yeah, I don't like Cain but he did seem to be slurring his words at first.  But then I thought "nah, the man has a sliver of a liver left, there's no way he'd get that drunk" and settled on it just being his natural way of speaking.  The man ways "wiff" for "with" all the time so it's apparently a regional accent.  But I agree the song was just too sad.  I don't like the guy, but I watching him make a fool out of himself in front of an audience that thinks he's a joke is not fun.  Of course his fans think he just won the general.  And people thought we Sarah Palin fans were delusional.  Sheesh.  In 3 years Palin never said or did as many stupid things as Herman Cain has in the last month.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at October 31, 2011 10:55 AM (4zKCA)

48 It's a good thing that Cain is a Republican or this post would be racist.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (jx2j9)

49 I liked it. Good on you, Mr, Cain.

Posted by: USA at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (6Cjut)

50 Further, this is a bullshit stab at tribalism. "Vote for me, I come from the same ethos as you."

That was basically Huckabee's message.  Identity politics

2008 is playing itself out all over again:
Mitt Romney as John McCain
Rick Perry as Mitt Romney
Herman Cain as Mike Huckabee

...and the rest, here on SCOAMF's Isle!

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (T0NGe)

51 What does that have to do with anything?

Public profession of faith is kinda required under the Christian faith there big guy.

Matt 10
 32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 9
 26For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Luke 12
8Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

 9But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Romans 10
 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (0q2P7)

52 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (8y9MW)

53 Nothing would get done. Sounds better than giving people power anymore.

Except you don't want a man in the White House come 2012 that believes the Iranians have a legitimate right to nuclear weapons. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 31, 2011 10:56 AM (9hSKh)

54 Yeah, completely out of left field assertions of faith killed Bush's chances of getting elected, too. Good catch there. I think you are really on a roll with your insight into the 2012 election cycle lately.

Posted by: Darel Finkbeiner at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (Z1WKS)

55 >>>I'd mention to them that FDR (Dem hero) used to lead the nation in prayer regularly. I would imagine this was at appropriate times of consecration, not in the middle of official, non-religious business. There's a difference between, say, a boss leading a prayer at a prayerful time (say, when someone at the company has died), and a boss just interrupting a meeting about sales figures to say, "Let me sing Amazing Grace for you."

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (nj1bB)

56 Headline: He Cain Sing, Too!

Posted by: USA at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (6Cjut)

57 I'm leaning towards "slitting my wrists" at the moment.

I might just cut horizontally, though, so it's more of a Cry for Help than actual suicide attempt.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 03:52 PM (nj1bB)

I'd be in favor of that, too.  But you know mass suicide attempts on the Republican-leaning side of the electorate would just be used as campaign fodder for Obama.  "The GOP field is so bad people would rather kill themselves than vote for them."

One more reason to utterly loathe the SCOAMF. 

Herman, I love ya.  I love hymns.  But I want you focused on the economy.  Please.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (4df7R)

58 ...and the rest, here on SCOAMF's Isle!

Who's Teh Fred?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (hW3KZ)

59

AMISH DUDE
Did you Cain has a degree in Mathematics?  From his wiki page "graduated from Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics."

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 03:55 PM (j/wD+)

Yep, although it is applied mathematics.  And he has a Master's in CS.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:57 AM (T0NGe)

60 If "I'll vote for him because he's strong for Jesus" is a good reason to vote FOR someone, it also must be a good reason to vote against someone.


You got a problem with Jesus?

Posted by: toby928 eyes the boss suspiciously at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM (GTbGH)

61 He's been drinkning Jesus juice. You should try it.

Posted by: Micky Jackson at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM (bZ8J6)

62 Ok.. Whatever Cain and Perry have been sipping on.. I want some!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 31, 2011 10:58 AM (f9c2L)

63 Further, this is a bullshit stab at tribalism. "Vote for me, I come from the same ethos as you."

Or it's a genuine expression of who he is.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (tqwMN)

64

Good enough for Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson... ought to be good enough for us.

W
Ah, you're right, and I realized it as soon as I typed that that was kind of anti-American.

Posted by: Randy M at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (vI8R6)

65

Yeah, what about that?

Pikers. You need to give good sax if you want the Big Chair.

I'm a hep cat and I feel ya' pain an' all. It comes out the end of my horn.

Posted by: Billy Jeff "Bird" Cliton at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (d0Tfm)

66 #52:

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words."

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 10:59 AM (T0NGe)

67 >>>If "I'll vote for him because he's strong for Jesus" is a good reason to vote FOR someone, it also must be a good reason to vote against someone. Yeah, if you're setting up a religious test, then you can't whine if someone sets up an opposing religious test. Sauce for the goose and all.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (nj1bB)

68 black people can't swim

Posted by: zombie ted kennedy at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (FduBR)

69

ace at October 31, 2011 03:53 PM (nj1bB)

*****

Yeah, but again, that cuts both ways.  Do you really thinkh Christians are just dying to hear less religeous references in the public sphere?

That in pulpits across the land, preachers are preaching to the congregation "if only we could restrict expressions of faith to solely here in this building, and maybe a quiet prayer at home, when no one else is watching"?

OK, yeah, obnoxious, crass hyporcritical displays probably aren't appreciated.

But what Cain did?  Do you really think that hurt him with one of the biggest part of the electorate?

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (Y2WVW)

70

Is this supposed to dissuade me from wanting to vote for him?  Because it didn't work.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (I2LwF)

71

Who's Teh Fred?

Rick Santorum. He was never more popular than the day BEFORE he entered the race.

(I know, I know, I know...it isn't much of a drop going from 5% to 4% but hey, I don't have a lot to work with here).

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2011 11:00 AM (OWjjx)

72 Careful.

You'll be accused of being paid for by the [fill in the blank campaign]. I don't have a name as I have no idea who you're supporting, but that's just how some Cainiacs roll I guess.

Don't criticize. He's got a nice smile. And he's jovial.

You need more? Shut up already.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (pLTLS)

73

Yep, although it is applied mathematics. 

How is that distinct?

Posted by: fluffy at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (4pSIn)

74 look.....he's not trying to make us handle snakes........so he sang a hymn.......bfd

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (s+J9D)

75 "Ok.. Whatever Cain and Perry have been sipping on.. I want some!"

I'll have what she's having.

Posted by: Billy Crystal at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (hW3KZ)

76

You know who this would offend?  This would offend people who would never consider voting for him anyway.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (I2LwF)

77 You can stick a fork in "Hoiman Gain." He done...

Posted by: M. Murcek at October 31, 2011 11:01 AM (ToZXn)

78 @71 Got that right. Sounds like there may be plenty of reasons, both known and unknown, to dislike Cain as a candidate, but this isn't one of them.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (Xm1aB)

79

Yep, although it is applied mathematics. 

How is that distinct?

Posted by: fluffy at October 31, 2011 04:01 PM (4pSIn)

"applied" is an adjective that, in mathematics, means "easier".

Kind of like "experimental" in physics.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (T0NGe)

80

67, heh. I attend a fairly reserved Baptist Church. Someone leads a prayer and the rest of us pray silently.

There are some other Churches in our area we've been to combined services with and when someone leads prayer anyone else that wants to prays out loud at the same time.

First time it happened my train of thought just went bye-bye and I sat in stunned silence.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:02 AM (/bVuS)

81 It's a circular firing squad of GOP candidates!  I think it'll be Bachmann's turn again, soon.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (dij/b)

82

You know who this would offend?  This would offend people who would never consider voting for him anyway.

Just like all of his "gaffes" and "scandals" so far.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (I2LwF)

83

69

 

neither can drunk passed out women.......but you knew that

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (s+J9D)

84 Second look at Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Posted by: t-bird at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (FcR7P)

85 Eh.

This is the least of my concerns about his candidacy. The other alternative in a general is a guy who spent 20 years in the Church of Anti-American Hate with an antisemitic pastor. There's a clear retaliatory plan for any accusations of being religiously crazy.

My bigger concerns involve his seeming inability to hold one stance on an issue for more than two days and his ill-preparedness in addressing major issues.

Posted by: Benson at October 31, 2011 11:03 AM (qzcNU)

86 Ace, he was ASKED to do that. Get the "My Boy Rick Perry Is Losing" stick out of your ass.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (jP3Hh)

87 Moloch/Son of Perdition'12

Posted by: toby928 eyes the boss suspiciously at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (GTbGH)

88

Acknowledging God and Jesus in your political statements is a lot like smoking a pipe. If you can do it smoothly, it works. If not, you look/sound like a Bozo.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (2Oas0)

89 Just more ammo for those that already dislike him.

Doesn't matter. His fate was already decided, because he doesn't have any experience in government. Everything else that comes out just backs it up.

Move along, everyone. Just drop him by the side of the road, because his campaign is poisoned.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (UEEex)

90 OK.  Educate us.

It's all in the wrist.

Posted by: toby928 eyes the boss suspiciously at October 31, 2011 11:04 AM (GTbGH)

91

If "I'll vote for him because he's strong for Jesus" is a good reason to vote FOR someone, it also must be a good reason to vote against someone.

As is "I'll vote for him because he's strong for Islam/ Judaism/ blacks/ whites/ hispanics/ women/ men/ schools/ unions/ individual liberty/ communism/ single payer/ pro-life/ pro-choice/ low taxes/ tax-the-rich/ welfare state/ open borders/ immigration enforcement/ the Ground Zero mosque/ Israel/ the Palestinians/ Wall Street/ Main Street," etc, etc, etc.

All politics are identity politics.  Hence why Mitt Romney hangs at a consistent 25% in the polls.  His identity shifts like a chameleon to fit the environment.  His sole identity is "Mitt Romney wants to be President."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (4df7R)

92 Oh boy, another Cain flame war.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (YdQQY)

93 >>>But what Cain did? Do you really think that hurt him with one of the biggest part of the electorate? yes, I do. People who call themselves Christians as a primary identity kind of read the polls in inconsistent ways. They seem aware that they are a minority - the born again sort of Christianity is not a majority, rather, more like 40% of the country -- but then cite polls that say "Christians are in the majority." Yes, "Christians" by a definition self-identifying Christians don't agree with. Many born-again mock the "Christians of Convenience" as being not really Christian at all. Point is, the people who really love a good out-of-the-blue Jesus Shout-Out are 40% of the population. The rest of the country -- which may be "majority Christian" in a soft, cultural sense, but not a primary-identity/strong believer sense -- finds it odd. You know this is true. How could you not? Get outside any of the areas where Born Again Christianity dominates, and people look at you funny if you do this sort of thing.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (nj1bB)

94 Maybe Herm was just sangin to those "not overtly sexual" unnamed litigants all those years ago and they misunderestimated his religious fervor.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (HBqDo)

95 88 he was ASKED to do that.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 04:04 PM (jP3Hh)

Thanks, BTW.  That puts it a bit in context.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (T0NGe)

96 By the way, dude actually has a great voice.

Posted by: Benson at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (qzcNU)

97

"Yep, although it is applied mathematics.  And he has a Master's in CS."

 

I -thought- I read it was in Applied Mathematics since that is my degree as well!  Wiki has it wrong. You get a BA in Mathmatics, not a BS (at least at my university)

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (j/wD+)

98
The important thing is that the Perry and Cain campaigns died doing what they loved to do.


Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (sqkOB)

99

right at October 31, 2011 04:03 PM (RzLbD)

*****

 

Sure.  First I'll need a sharp knife and your arm/wrist.

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:05 AM (Y2WVW)

100 2008 is playing itself out all over again:
Mitt Romney as John McCain
Rick Perry as Mitt Romney
Herman Cain as Mike Huckabee
Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 03:56 PM (T0NGe)

Damn, Romney can't even help himself from flip-flopping so much he's playing some one else in his own movie.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (plesI)

101

Hey.

You know why I can't get excited about Perry?  It has nothing to do with the MFM knocks against him.  It was his Kinseyan gaffe (lookitup) of saying that if I don't favor crimmigrants over out of state Americans, then I'm heartless.

That let me know what lives in Perry's heart.

Nothing I have seen so far has made me question what lies in Cain's heart.  Some things he's done, like making jokes about little shitstain -istans or calling them the "so-called Palestinians" actually make me like him more.

In his heart, he's like you and like me.  Not like Washington.  And this hymn reinforces my gut feeling on that distinction.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (I2LwF)

102 The real question is when did @jmartpolitico stop beating his dog with barbed wire? Did he ever even stop?  I'm not going to reveal the details, that's up to Jonathan Martin of Politico to do.

Posted by: @lheal at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (/Tuzy)

103 >>>All politics are identity politics. Well I supposed that is an honest admission to make but a strange one for a conservative. I do get what you say, though. While I think politics ought to NOT be so based on identity, in fact it largely is... including on the right side of the aisle, though many on the right like to pretend they don't indulge in identity politics. Still, live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:06 AM (nj1bB)

104

can perry sing?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (s+J9D)

105 You get a BA in Mathmatics, not a BS (at least at my university)

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 04:05 PM (j/wD+)

Depends on the school.

Actually, American schools are terrible at teaching pure math.  That's why your TAs can't speak English.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (T0NGe)

106

Is this the bash Ace for bashing Herman Cain thread?

Posted by: sleepy-beans at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (PNaRh)

107

Shocker!  A man who did a gospel album in 1996 sings some gospel for a press conference. 

Next thing you know, Ron Paul is going to rant about the Fed and Perry is going to go on a hunting trip.  Oh, the horror!

Grim

Posted by: Grim at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (gyNYk)

108 Is this a nontroversy?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (kpb4T)

109 106

can perry sing?

I hate country music.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:07 AM (/bVuS)

110 O/T: Ace, how about a link for the Drunk Perry Critics?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (hW3KZ)

111 I really like it.  Look, the guy is being blasted right now with what appear to be highly questionable charges.  The Christian response to that is to try to remain peaceful, and to put your trust in the foundations of your faith.  I don't like it that religious people are now expected to go into the closet to have that kind of response.  If there's something threatening to you for people to say "my trust and my hope are in Jesus," then maybe there's a different problem here.

If you don't want to vote for a Christian, then don't.

Posted by: Dewey at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (YTJQp)

112
Why is this extremely unhelpful? I'll tell you.

...and in this corner, weighing a lean 170lbs, with the meanest Left hook to come out of Hawaii...Barrraaacckk Husseinnnnnnn Obamamaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

meanwhile...our guy is singing hymns

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (sqkOB)

113 >>>In his heart, he's like you and like me. Not like Washington. And this hymn reinforces my gut feeling on that distinction. Identity politics. But I don't really give a shit about any of these guys' hearts. Further, unlike you, I do not believe I have the power to look inside their hearts. I think you believe you can see inside his heart because you share a religion.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (nj1bB)

114 110 Is this a nontroversy?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 04:07 PM (kpb4T)

IMO? Yes.  YMMV.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (4df7R)

115 He's running for- American Idol!

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (rJVPU)

116 can perry sing?

"Save the pretzels for the gas jets!"

Posted by: angler at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (SwjAj)

117 Applied means we solve real world problems and sometimes use computers (gasp!) were math majors look for solutions to math problems that are more theoretical  Math majors are snobs and look down on applied math majors.

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 11:08 AM (j/wD+)

118

The problem is that Obama is so non-religious it seems odd....no refreshing to see someone unafraid to show some religiousity.  

"What does that have to do with anything?"

It would be nice to see someone in office with a moral compass.   

Posted by: dope_n_chains at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (oEq2J)

119 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Alte Schule at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (MLJu8)

120

new primetime line up

 

real housewives of the GOP candidates

GOP Candidate Idol

GOP Candidate Apprentice

GOP Candidate Survivor

GOP So you think you can Dance?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (s+J9D)

121 104 The real question is when did @jmartpolitico stop beating his dog with barbed wire? Did he ever even stop?  I'm not going to reveal the details, that's up to Jonathan Martin of Politico to do.

Posted by: @lheal at October 31, 2011 04:06 PM (/Tuzy)

No, no.  "Unnatural activities with goats". The key is not to actually nail down the offense.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (T0NGe)

122 (Why not? I know among some strains of Christianity the Public Expression of Religion is strongly favored. Among others, though, and among those who aren't really religious at all, or are of a different religion, it's a turn-off, and odd. There's something that really rankles people (including me) about the "Elect me, I love Jesus" gambit. What does that have to do with anything?)

I agree with this.  It drives me absolutely crazy when some contestant on a reality show (yes, I watch reality shows) start talking about how christian they are and essentially implying that God wants them to win. 

I'm sorry, but the more you talk about what a good christian you are, the less likely I am to believe it.  It's like walking around telling people that you are "honest".  Stop talking about it and let your actions speak for themselves.

there are very few contexts where it makes sense to start your statement with "I'm a christian and therefore . . ."  I just don't trust people who are so overtly religious.  I don't care if you are religious.  I don't care if you want to pray.  don't be so ostentatious about it.  Don't constantly proclaim how you are christian or how you are just "doing god's will".  If you truly believe that God is controlling what we do / don't do, then everyone is doing god's will.  If you believe you have free will, then you are being pretty arrogant in telling the rest of us that a) you know what god's will is and b) that you are doing it for him.

Didn't JC have a sermon about people who made ostentatious displays of faith?  I believe he did.

the more you loudly proclaim your faith the more I am going to distrust you and believe you are covering up for some pretty bad character traits.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (sOx93)

123 19 >>>I know this rubs the faithless the wrong way but I'd like to hear it.

The faithless are beginning to worry that when we speak of a "strong conservative candidate" that many people really mean that as code for a "strong Christian candidate."<<<

Because we'd be so much better off with someone that had no particular affinity for the Judeo/Christian ethic.  Right.  Get over yourself.

Posted by: Kerry at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (a/VXa)

124 Remember the good old days when everyone was beating up on us palinistas? Yeah, how's our asses tasting?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (A1uUz)

125
I want to win.

I need people who can beat Obama, not sing and make me all googley-eyed from a patriotic pandering speech.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:09 AM (sqkOB)

126

Actually, American schools are terrible at teaching pure math.  That's why your TAs can't speak English.

We do a fine job in American colleges teachning pure math; however, America, most people that can understand mathematics either go into finance or engineering.  Studying math for math's sake doesn't result in much of a salary!

 

Posted by: Grim at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (gyNYk)

127 So should I just give up the goat and slit my wrists now? Since apparently every candidate is either A) insane or B) corrupt. I just want to know so I can plan accordingly. This is just too damn exhausting.

I'm leaning towards "slitting my wrists" at the moment.

I might just cut horizontally, though, so it's more of a Cry for Help than actual suicide attempt.

i prefer the head in the car pipe trick , not as messy.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (h+qn8)

128 Wait.... American Idol- I think there is a rule against that in the Old Testament...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (rJVPU)

129 Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 03:59 PM (T0NGe)

Ohhh.  Can I play in the "quote taken out of context" game, too?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 11:10 AM (8y9MW)

130

"applied" is an adjective that, in mathematics, means "easier"."

-------------------------------------------------------------------

HAHAHA Did I call it or what? LOL

I took enough classes in the other dept to hear that

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (j/wD+)

131 head *by*

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (h+qn8)

132 i bet michelle can beat box............

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (s+J9D)

133

I can understand being openly christian on the campaign trail, but I would think you'd pick your spots.

The American Enterprise Institute. Perhaps staying on an economic message while there would be a good idea.

 

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (wuv1c)

134

OK.  Educate us.

either way you go, cut deep.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (5eVSI)

135 I've heard from numerous people that Cain has, in fact, done a lot more singing of a spiritual nature. Sometimes he'll sing 2 songs at a time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (Sh42X)

136

@ace @95:

If you slice away the 50% of people who will never vote, and then you slice away the 40% of the population who do vote but would never vote for Cain, the shout-out-evangelicals and those who are indifferent or sympathetic to them make up a distinct majority.

I don't have facts, it just seems obvious.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (I2LwF)

137 119 Applied means we solve real world problems and sometimes use computers (gasp!) were math majors look for solutions to math problems that are more theoretical  Math majors are snobs and look down on applied math majors.

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 04:08 PM (j/wD+)

Trust me, I know all about applied math (which isn't all that applied, ask a physicist) because I took more applied classes than pure classes.  As an undergrad, I took a PDE and 2 numerical analysis courses.  I had to teach myself abstract algebra.

Also, if it's applied, then let the people who apply it do it.  Why not?  Physicists are smart people, they can handle it.  Biologists are...never mind.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (T0NGe)

138 @105 Well, I thought it had been already pretty well established that political differences in this country are largely tribal and cultural, not to say there aren't rifts within each political ideology that predominates today. Cain's melodic riff no doubt horrifies liberals and the rest of the elite, but I certainly don't think this damages him as a candidate among those who would otherwise be inclined to vote for the more conservative candidate. If it does, it seems to me it would be a numerically insignificant percentage of voters.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (Xm1aB)

139

ace at October 31, 2011 04:05 PM (nj1bB)

*****

Fair enough.

But I think you overstate the effect of how off putting this is.

Even in the Bible Belt, going into a sermon while you are trying to cash a check is going to get you some funny looks.

I don't think this is equivalent.

Your view, like your mileage, may vary.

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (Y2WVW)

140 Applied math actually has a use in engineering, operations research, economics, etc. Theoretical mathematics is mental gymnastics. That would be another way to put it.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (eEfYn)

141 Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 04:06 PM (I2LwF)

It's not Cain's heart I'm worried about, it's his head.

Today he twice punted on rather simple questions about his signature 9-9-9 plan. I don't mean punted in the 'gave a long answer that talked about something else" that all politicians do. He simply said, "ask Rich Lowrie". At the press club event, he actually called Lowrie up to the mic to answer for him.

Add that to all his other gaffes and I'm not sure he's up to the job.

FTR- I don't think Cain is stupid. I just don't have any confidence that he sufficiently versed on the most basic of issues. No amount of heart or good intentions is going to change that.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 31, 2011 11:11 AM (plesI)

142 Oh boy, another Cain flame war.

As they say in the radio business, "every hour at the tens".

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (vbh31)

143
This kind of shit insults me.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (sqkOB)

144 real housewives of the GOP candidates GOP Candidate Idol GOP Candidate Apprentice GOP Candidate Survivor GOP So you think you can Dance? ***** I think we just Geithnered ourselves.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (rJVPU)

145 @ace But then look at the majority of folks that actually volunteer for Republican campaigns, specifically the GOTV stuff and you will find that they skew heavily toward "strong believers." That voting block is also pretty freaking important in the General hence why we had two terms of Bush and zero terms of McCain. The love a good Jesus shout out folks stayed home from both McCain's fairly lame GOTV efforts and the vote. Whereas the 2008 Bush GOTV was epic.

Posted by: Oh good at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (q/891)

146 In a world with Christianity under attack by the Leftt and the muslim madmen, people being killed for refusing to renounce their faith, Copts being run down in the streets, and on and on, it is heart warming to see a US Presidential candidate stand up and express his beliefs. Mr. Cain will never have entire blogs discuss whether he is a Christian or not. No pretzels here.

Posted by: Pecos at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (2Gb0y)

147 >>>Look, the guy is being blasted right now with what appear to be highly questionable charges. Why do you say that? Is it a look within his heart deal? I tend to assume all rumors are true. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. You've heard. >>> The Christian response to that is to try to remain peaceful, and to put your trust in the foundations of your faith. And also advertise that faith to possible voters, I guess. I appreciate you think this is just being done for the Glory of Jesus. I cna't help but notice that Cain has excited a lot of Christian primary voters... do you suppose that's a coincidence? Did he sing Amazing Grace for Christ's glory or for his own political fortunes? >>. I don't like it that religious people are now expected to go into the closet to have that kind of response. With all due respect, this is essentially an impersonal business transaction. We are seeking a president. We ask him questions. We evaluate his answers. I think that an outburst of Amazing Grace is as out of place here as it would be if I were buying a car, and the car salesman tried to appeal to me that way. >>> If there's something threatening to you for people to say "my trust and my hope are in Jesus," then maybe there's a different problem here. That's wonderful but actually I'm concerned about things like the debt and taxes and so on. Things Jesus does not provide specific (or even vague) guidance about.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:12 AM (nj1bB)

148

 i bet michelle can beat box............

 

as long as I'm wearing a skirt, I can do it without hands.

Posted by: michelle obama's landing strip at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (5eVSI)

149 >>>But then look at the majority of folks that actually volunteer for Republican campaigns, specifically the GOTV stuff and you will find that they skew heavily toward "strong believers." yes in the primary that's true. As far as GOTV, if someone has decided someone is kooky, GOTV won't help.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (nj1bB)

150

We do a fine job in American colleges teachning pure math; however, America, most people that can understand mathematics either go into finance or engineering.  Studying math for math's sake doesn't result in much of a salary!

Posted by: Grim at October 31, 2011 04:10 PM (gyNYk)

Which then means that students stop going into finance and engineering because they're unable to learn the math.  And so it goes, ad infinitum. Kids learn early on that math is for chumps, so don't go anywhere near it.

I think I should take a lesson from the RIAA and just copyright all of mathematics.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (T0NGe)

151 Isn't he a baptist minister?

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 11:13 AM (wuv1c)

152 Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 03:59 PM (T0NGe)

He starts out. "This is an opportunity for me to share a little bit of my faith" and then goes on to profess his faith in song. That's what the profession of faith is supposed to be. Someone unapologetically proclaiming faith in Christ.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (0q2P7)

153 deep breath, deep breath,
alright so this is a little different than seeing a Politician coming out of a church with kisses and hugs on babies  for a portrait.

sigh. just don't know.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (h+qn8)

154 Saw him singing on Fox, had to change the channel.  Thought it was weird.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (SY2Kh)

155

I think you believe you can see inside his heart because you share a religion.

Identity politics:  I agree

Sharing a religion:  No, no we don't.  I'm Jewish.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (I2LwF)

156

The SCFOAMF wants Mitt.  He's being spared right now for a reason.  Once he gets it locked up, it'll be on.  Anyone besides Mitt who so much smells like a contender is going to get hammered right now. 

If more substantiated stuff comes out re Cain, it's going to be interesting to see what the Tea Party does with their support.

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (sFD5n)

157

This video is edited.

At the end of the song he Tebowed just for good measure.

Posted by: Ben at October 31, 2011 11:14 AM (wuv1c)

158

I think it is an act of bravery. 

If you are not a believer then it seems, umm, non-awesome. 

But I am a believer.  And it takes courage to say, this is who I am, this is what I believe.  I know there are those who will grab the Bible and say, hey look at me I'm a Christian and vote for me.  But that isn't what Cain is doing. 

He's running a different race.   He's pro-life, but he said his campaign isn't about abortion.  Whoa!  He can't say that!  But he did.  And now he's supposedly in trouble. 

Look, if you want your Romney, you can have your Romney.  But I think it odd that there is a singular template stamped out for what a candidate is - set some expectations for their actions, then give them a failing grade based on that expectation. 

 

 

Posted by: blaster at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (7vSU0)

159 155 deep breath, deep breath,
alright so this is a little different than seeing a Politician coming out of a church with kisses and hugs on babies  for a portrait.

sigh. just don't know.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 04:14 PM (h+qn

Clinton and the HUGE bible.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (T0NGe)

160 Nontroversy II:  The Caining




And someone needs to feed pixy's hamsters.

Posted by: dick cheese at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (IfkGz)

161 So should I just give up the goat and slit my wrists now? I don't think the goat is worth it.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (rJVPU)

162

Politico is continuing the lynching. They say the head of HR disputes Cains claim that they investigated and found no basis for the accusations. The head of HR claims she never heard of any problems regarding Cain.

http://tinyurl.com/3ryeqyn

 

Posted by: robtr at October 31, 2011 11:15 AM (MtwBb)

163 I'd rather have a drinker in the WH than a snorter.

Posted by: mpfs at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (iYbLN)

164 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (fyOgS)

165 The faithless are beginning to worry that when we speak of a "strong conservative candidate" that many people really mean that as code for a "strong Christian candidate."

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 03:50 PM (nj1bB)

 

I think I'd rather have a strong Christian candidate than a faithless aetheist candidate (remember, most #OWS demonstrators are aetheist, or have a distinct aversion to God)....or the islamic president that we have now.

 

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (coN0Z)

166 Yep, he is a Baptist minister. You expect him to sing....in church. But evidently he has no problem singing in public as well. Some people are not comfortable with others who wear their religion on their sleeves. I think that is essentially what ace is saying.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (YdQQY)

167 Oh boy, another Cain flame war.

Aye-yi -yi- yi!

Posted by: Frito Bandito at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (JYheX)

168 Politico is now covering Bachmann drama along with Perry and Cain. They are, of course, contrasting that with articles praising Obama's genius.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 11:16 AM (d6QMz)

169 The minstrel show continues.

Posted by: The Washington Post at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (Sh42X)

170 Speaking of herman cain, was Izak a cain supporter or maybe romeny?  I mean which one of the candidates  put Izak up to this?  Or maybe it wasn't the candidates at all, maybe it was the dems?  link

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (k1rwm)

171

Say Ace - are there any in-the-know, unreportable stories on the Obamas? I'm not asking what the stories are, just is there anything circulating out there substantially different from what we've already heard through alternative media, that is reasonably credible?

My guess would be not. Because, the publicly-available information about the Obamas was bad enough, and yet simply did not matter.

 

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at October 31, 2011 11:17 AM (w41GQ)

172

I agree with Ace, Cain really blew it.  He should of gone with the more traditional spiritual counseling session with Jesse Jackson.

Everyone knows: Fake spirituality trumps Christianity in any form. 

Screw Cain.

Posted by: WisRich at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (hdpay)

173

Remember the good old days when everyone was beating up on us palinistas?

Yeah, how's our asses tasting?

Like peanut butter, as always.

Posted by: Toby, abused beagle at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (4pSIn)

174 Politico is like the low flushing toilet.  You have to keep flushing and flushing to get the shit to go down the pipes.

Posted by: mpfs at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (iYbLN)

175 So I gather we're all set on nominating Romney, right?  not that I have a problem with that, but I'd just like us to be clear what our options are whenever we say that any given non-Romney candidate has shit the bed,etc.

Posted by: jeremiadbullfrog at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (RKxtN)

176 I can't support Cain because he is not of the Tribe, and he will not further the unstated aims of Jooos everywhere: global domination of all governments and financial institutions, as well as the harvesting of gentile baby blood for rituals.

But mostly I can't support him because he is quickly demonstrating to me that while he may be a marvelous pizza company CEO, and an excellent ballistics math wiz, and one hell of a nice guy; he is dumber than a bag of rocks when it comes to politics and controlling what comes out of his own mouth.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (3vSLn)

177

America is Christian.  Its Constitution is Christian.  About 1/3 of it is straight out of Leviticus.  Expressing belief in Christianity ought not be a disqualifier, not even in such a demonstable way.

Will it be?  Ugh.  Maybe.

But if that's the case-- that this does disqualify Cain-- then we've already lost the country and the world to the Godless statist left.

Posted by: Truman North at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (I2LwF)

178 Ace, I think you're a young pup who doesn't understand Christianity. Especially with the older (more likely to vote) demographic.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 11:18 AM (7+pP9)

179 Well at least he doesn't go all incoherent and attack his opponents at his own weakest point in debates, but hey I'm sure Rick Skerry can sing, he just can't seem to get out of single digits or even lead the polls in his own state so lets attack the leader and render him worthless so Rick can get his poorly debating ass torn up by the Lyin kING and his Presstitutes.
Isn't gonna work Ace!

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (vXqv3)

180 No, I haven't looked inside his heart (who am I, W?), but I don't tend to assume all rumors are true.

No, not to "advertise your faith," but conversely, not to bury it.  And when is the last time a car dealer sang Amazing Grace to you?  Honestly, you seem to be overreacting here.  I have not perceived Cain to be a religious zealot up to now.  Merely a religious believer.  Are they the same thing in your estimation?

I agree with you that Jesus does not appear to be concerned with our tax code, but that seems to be a straw man argument.

But I love you, Ace (because I have Jesus in my heart).

Posted by: Dewey at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (YTJQp)

181 Point is, the people who really love a good out-of-the-blue Jesus Shout-Out are 40% of the population. The rest of the country -- which may be "majority Christian" in a soft, cultural sense, but not a primary-identity/strong believer sense -- finds it odd.<<<

New Yorkers do.  The rest of the country, not so much.

Posted by: Kerry at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (a/VXa)

182 You cons need to ask yourself a much more important question: how does Mr. Cain feel about 'turtles all the way down'? Huh?

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (vbh31)

183 Why is this extremely unhelpful? I'll tell you.

Yes, because Barack Obama's religious tendencies are such a bad issue for us.  Except for the part where, any time it comes up, Republicans are forced at camera point to say, "I believe he's a Christian," because it hurts Obama's numbers for people to think otherwise.

If you want to stir that up, you don't do it by talking about Obama at all, you do it by showing what a Christian does.  One of those things is to sing Christian songs.

Especially if, as someone stated above, he was asked to do so.

Look, I think ace and others are missing it: Christianity may make you feel "odd," but those "Christians of Convenience" tend to (tend to- it is certainly not universal) feel better that "someone" is "keeping the faith" or whatever.  Many of them feel better about their own lack of adherence to the faith specifically because others who are more prominent in the public eye are so open about said faith.

In fact, I would say there are roughly three categories of people who dislike public professions of faith.  The antagonistic skeptic/atheist.  The fallen Christian.  The faithful Christian.  The first because they don't like Christianity, as a rule.  The second because no one likes to be reminded of their failures.  The third because we often see such professions as "fake."

Of course, that means we get to view each specific instance of a public profession of faith and determine whether or not it seems fake to us, and approve or reject them on a case-by-case basis.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 11:19 AM (8y9MW)

184 There goes the Jewish vote?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (Sh42X)

185 ok, i don't know why i'm doing this.

but it's normal for us non christians to see christian Presidents, they will espouse their beliefs , from Clinton to Kennedy to Bush.

are we bothered by the singing?

maybe I'm just not used to a singing Presdiential contender, I'm not certain this is bad, just very different.
If that's His gift? clinton played sax?
ahah i don't know.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (h+qn8)

186 Raaaacciiiissttt!!!!!1111!!!eleventy!!!!!! If he feels that his faith is important to him, and that he wants potential voters to know that, what's the problem? Don't the Romneyites demand that we accept his Mormonism unquestioning?

Posted by: Iblis at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (f3hP+)

187 >>>Look, if you want your Romney, you can have your Romney. If that's my choice I'll take my Romney. You think it's brave? Brave to what, pander to your core voters? Whatever. You're just going to get this. I have argued on this site a lot that Christians ought not to be, as the government wants to treat them, second-class citizens, with their religion held against them, or held to be less than others. But on the other hand I'm also not going to join you in making Christianity objectively -- as far as our civic nation -- "the best," the highest aspiration. Why would I, a non-Christian, join you in that project? For me it would be self-abnegating. But if you want to kind of push this to the limit, then expect some push back. I do not believe it's fair that Christians should be second-class. But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (nj1bB)

188 Byron York with the details on twitter: http://t.co/igBOjPde

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (BvTwT)

189 oh look it's linking again!!!!!! warning......click at your own risk!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (s+J9D)

190 I tend to assume all rumors are true.

I tend to need proof.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:20 AM (JYheX)

191   3 You're in, kid!

Posted by: The Commodores at October 31, 2011 03:46 PM (Xnw5y)

Yeah, I laughed...heartily.

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (8ieXv)

192 Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 04:16 PM (YdQQY)

Yes.

We are a Judeo-Christian nation, but most of us prefer to keep it private. Not secret; I want my candidate to be moderately religious and respect his own and other's religions.

At least he isn't a Mormon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (3vSLn)

193 Why is the only question that seems off the table in this discussion is, "Maybe Cain actually believes in what he did in accordance with his faith?"?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (0q2P7)

194 I'm not particularly religious, but given a choice between SCoaMF and somebody that can flat out nail "Amazing Grace", it's entirely possible that Preznit American Idol may just get dethroned.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (HBqDo)

195
This has nothing to do with Christianity.

This is a a-time-and-a-place issue.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:21 AM (sqkOB)

196 "That was basically Huckabee's message. Identity politics 2008 is playing itself out all over again: Mitt Romney as John McCain Rick Perry as Mitt Romney Herman Cain as Mike Huckabee ...and the rest, here on SCOAMF's Isle! Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 03:56 PM (T0NGe)" But who will be Teh Fred this time around? And if Romney somehow wins the nomination who will be his Sarah Palin?

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (E7I0g)

197 We seemed very wrapped around the political end of this. Maybe it just was an honest profession of faith.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (0q2P7)

198 >>>The problem is that Obama is so non-religious it seems odd. Not odd at all for the fucking Anti-Christ.

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (tazG1)

199

Also, if it's applied, then let the people who apply it do it.  Why not?  Physicists are smart people, they can handle it.  Biologists are...never mind.
------------

We did a lot of thermodynamic modelling (calculating heat distribution in objects) and mechanical engineering (calculating stress/strain)  This was only under grad however.  My MS is in nuclear engineering.  I ran nuclear plants on carriers as a Lieutenant in thje Navy.

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (j/wD+)

200
for everything there is a season...

Posted by: soothsayer at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (sqkOB)

201 Yeah, if you're setting up a religious test, then you can't whine if someone sets up an opposing religious test.

Sauce for the goose and all.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:00 PM (nj1bB)

Individuals can use whatever criteria they like; but the above only logically applies if the religions in question have similar impact on a candidates qualifaictions, which is unlikely.

Of course, given human nature and incentives in the system, a religious expression is only weak evidence of belief, let alone behavior.

Posted by: Randy M at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (vI8R6)

202 If Obama did this, all the lefties and the squishes would think it was so cool.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (kpb4T)

203 Do ANY of these guys want to be President? Other than Mitt?

Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (dagTu)

204

I will answer that question with a few bars from a traditional hymn about how AIDS was invented in a lab by white people to kill brown people.

 

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 31, 2011 11:22 AM (w41GQ)

205

In fact, I would say there are roughly three categories of people who dislike public professions of faith.  The antagonistic skeptic/atheist.  The fallen Christian.  The faithful Christian.  The first because they don't like Christianity, as a rule.  The second because no one likes to be reminded of their failures.  The third because we often see such professions as "fake."

THAT sounds exactly right.

Posted by: Roger Ipswich at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (sbV1u)

206 /off sock

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:23 AM (sbV1u)

207 @183 << THIS And I'm not even in a bible-belty place, nor am I an evangelical, but I think the more urban conservatives in deep blue territory probably aren't told to have a blessed day at least once a week. I don't really care except that when they are engaged the evangelicals vote like a mo-fo and well the votes of conservatives in deep blue states that might be offended matter very little on election day.

Posted by: Oh good at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (q/891)

208 >>>Honestly, you seem to be overreacting here. I have not perceived Cain to be a religious zealot up to now. Merely a religious believer. Are they the same thing in your estimation? Yeah, when he's appearing at a very non-religious, very business-oriented affair and decides to turn it into Sunday Sermon, yeah, I start to think maybe he's shading into Too Religious for me. I can only say the old cliche -- I am not looking for a preacher here. Some might be, or might like a hybrid preacher-president. I don't want that. I don't need that. And frankly I thought he was a dumbass before -- not knowing MAJOR, basic things about the world -- and I'm not going to say "Well, he knows Jesus really good, so that kind of makes up for the other stuff."

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (nj1bB)

209 sooth, yeah.

was he asked? i dunno

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (h+qn8)

210 Well I supposed that is an honest admission to make but a strange one for a conservative.

I do get what you say, though. While I think politics ought to NOT be so based on identity, in fact it largely is... including on the right side of the aisle, though many on the right like to pretend they don't indulge in identity politics.

Still, live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:06 PM (nj1bB)

I guess it depends how you define identity.  I identify myself as a small government, low tax, low regulation, socially conservative individual.  That means I'm not going to vote for -- or, if pressed, like voting for -- someone who has expressed sympathy with big government, high tax, high regulation, socially liberal individuals.   But those things are the basis of politics.  You cant' be a politician without some idea of how much government is too much, how many taxes are too many, how much regulation is too much regulation, etc. 

The social aspects of politics are more fungible, but often tied in with the more concrete aspects of an ideology.  A Christian -- indeed, just about any of the major religions -- may not want to be taxed to fund abortions under Obamacare because abortion is anathema to his or her personal religious convictions.  An atheist may not want to permit a cross to be erected on public property because it offends his or her personal religious convictions.  These are personal issues of identity that are in many ways removed from the nitty gritty of politics, but which nonetheless are at the core of what drives a voter to vote for one candidate over another, one party over another. 

Personally I think it's stupid to vote for someone because of their skin color, their gender, their age, their home state, their eye color, fashion sense, or taste in music.  But religious expression?  I don't think that's stupid.  I'd far rather have someone in the Oval Office who I believe understands the teachings of the Bible (or the Talmud; or a very LIBERAL reading of the Koran, and the latter only under advisement) than someone who was happy to sit in Reverend Wright's church and listen to the crazy old man spew hate for twenty years unchallenged.  The former would, I believe, have a solid moral code, whereas the latter becomes a SCOAMF.

But YMMV.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (4df7R)

211 What does that have to do with anything? Really? So someone I saw "I love Muhammad" would be of no consequence to you. Yes, the idea that professions of faith are taken so skeptical is a sad reflection on much hypocrisy to those of an atheist persuasion. However, if such professions are genuine, then a consistent life of a strong character should be evident. Do you want to trust someone? Then it has everything to do with this.

Posted by: Blue Collar Todd at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (3Hwzv)

212 Good day for nothing but depressing news and DOOM.Unfortunately it will continue tomorrow and the next day and on and on......

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (fyOgS)

213 "...ankles people (including me) about the "Elect me, I love Jesus" gambit"

Hey, Ace.  Then go vote for O'dipshit.  He's a whole helluva lot better than a man that stands up and says, "Vote for me, I believe in Jesus."  Go for it.

I'm a devout Christian yet I don't rip my neighbor's fucking ear off with the gospel over the back fence, but it sure doesn't mean I squirm when faced with the bedrock of this country.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (MPtFW)

214

I'm wondering if Cain was actually expressing his faith or with the help of his managers, was trying to have his own "Bill Clinton demonstrates he's just one of us playing his trombone on TV" moments.

Because I don't think he's into breaking out in spiritual hymns for most of his career, but I'll give him credit where it's due: the man has pipes.

Posted by: MrObvious at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (2uovW)

215 People, people.  Why is this even important? 

What's important today????   Kim Kardashian has filed for DIVORCE!!!  The world ends!!!!

Posted by: mpfs at October 31, 2011 11:24 AM (iYbLN)

216

2008 is playing itself out all over again:
Mitt Romney as John McCain
Rick Perry as Mitt Romney
Herman Cain as Mike Huckabee


You forgot Jerry Mathers as the Beaver. 

Posted by: dananjcon at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (8ieXv)

217 Right now I want to give Juan Williams a huge hug.  He and stewart varney were just on hannity with one of the best segments hannity has ever had.  And those who know, know that I'm not a big Juan Williams fan.  But, heck, he spoke honestly and from hsi heart this time.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (k1rwm)

218 The only people this will move away from Cain are people who already want to move elsewhere.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (Sh42X)

219 The singing does not really bother me and this is not the first time I have heard someone share their faith through singing. It tends to be more common among Southern Baptists, from my experience.  

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 11:25 AM (d6QMz)

220 Jen Rubin has her hackery on!

Posted by: RINO Vice President For Life AuthorLMendez, Formerly YRM, Who Supports The Ban Of k1rwm at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM (yAor6)

221 "There's something that really rankles people (including me) about the "Elect me, I love Jesus even though I'm  not Rick Perry" gambit."

FIFY

Posted by: Pistol Packin Papa at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM (97gh8)

222

Dang. With all of Cain's Faith posing a Al-Qaeda type threat to me, I forgot my \sarc tag on my last post.

 

Posted by: WisRich at October 31, 2011 11:26 AM (hdpay)

223 wow! that's terrific! so glad you enjoyed it! what do your friends think about it? are they still locked in your car?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (s+J9D)

224 Miss"80s What if Mitt Romney busted out with a Mormon hymn? What if Sarah Palin did this? What if Rick Perry did this? Somehow I think Herman Cain gets more of a pass for some reason.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (rJVPU)

225 You forgot Jerry Mathers as the Beaver.

Ace, you're being to hard on The Beaver.

Posted by: June Cleaver at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (vbh31)

226 This would never happen if you would vote for me.

Unlike you crazy prodies, we Catholics don't go in for that singing stuff.

BTW- Do Mormons, other than those Tabernacle Choir folks, sing?

Posted by: Rick Santorum at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (plesI)

227

Yesterday outside in the parking lot of my Church I spied with my little eye a 2010 beautiful white Range Rover with a "Who Is Jon Galt?" Sticker.

I love my parish.

Posted by: Nora at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (VxqUc)

228

Ace, have to agree.  Cain doing this today was not good.  To me it comes off as, "I've made mistakes, I'm human, but I'm Christian, so you should give me a pass on this and just trust me, you know, because I'm a Christian."  A "pay no attention to that man in the corner over there" moment.  I don't like it that he made such an overt "statement" of his Christianity on the same day that this new broke. 

It just doesn't smell right, but maybe that bad smell is just where Perry tossed his tacos after that drunk speech.  Hey, that Romney guy is squeeky clean, isn't he? <snark off>

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (sFD5n)

229 I like to think of Jesus as an Ice Dancer, dressed in an all-white jumpsuit, and doing an interpretive dance of my life.

Posted by: Cal Naughton Jr. at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (sbV1u)

230 I'm waiting the Lincoln-Douglas with Newt.  That ought to demonstrate whether or not Cain has substantive policy knowledge in a much better fashion than all this bitching and moaning about non-issues ever will.  I mean seriously, I come to this website for trenchant common sense, not rumor-based, rehashed media-lite point-and-gasp to shame the unconventional candidate.  That's quasi-Frum talk: Beat down the unsavory elements of the base so that the smart set can do what it needs.

Again, I agree that Cain ought to have much more substance than he's yet shown.  But that doesn't justify shooting inside the tent.  A brief, yet sober, word about as yet unfulfilled expectations is more useful to us that stuff like "Cain shit the bed again".

Posted by: jeremiadbullfrog at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (RKxtN)

231  he was ASKED to do that.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 04:04 PM (jP3Hh)

Thanks, BTW.  That puts it a bit in context.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 04:05 PM (T0NGe)

 

Yeah.  Context.  Something that's missing in everything nowdays.  It's something that spinmeisters revile.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (coN0Z)

232 I think he should have held an hours long prayer rally instead.

Posted by: Nora at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (VxqUc)

233 He does have a nice voice.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:27 AM (h+qn8)

234 What if Jon Huntsman busted out with a hymnal from the little Red Book of Mao and sung it in Chinese?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (rJVPU)

235 Having been raised in a Southern Baptist church, for me personally, this is a big nothing-burger except insofar as it is refreshing to see a candidate make such an unusual and apparently genuine expression of his faith. There are many reasons to not vote for Cain, but for me, this is not one of them.

Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (Xm1aB)

236 80 "applied" is an adjective that, in mathematics, means "easier".
Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 04:02 PM (T0NGe)

There are thousands of members in the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics who would dispute with you over that assertion.

Posted by: No Whining at October 31, 2011 11:28 AM (HmCnI)

237 he was ASKED to do that.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 04:04 PM (jP3Hh)

Thanks, BTW.  That puts it a bit in context.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 04:05 PM (T0NGe)

 

Yeah.  Context.  Something that's missing in everything nowdays.  It's something that spinmeisters revile.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 04:27 PM (coN0Z)


well makes sense then. Not like He just busted out in song.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (h+qn8)

238 "What's important today???? Kim Kardashian has filed for DIVORCE!!! The world ends!!!!" You know you keep using this work "marriage". I don't think this word means what you think it means. or "Kim Kardashian: Most expensive Hooker in the world!"

Posted by: Iblis at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (f3hP+)

239 BREAKING: Two Nat'l Restaurant Ass'n Women ID Voice as that of Sexual Harasser Who Sang About His "Five Dollar Foot Long."

Posted by: USA at October 31, 2011 11:29 AM (6Cjut)

240


It didn't matter that Jerry Wright was screaming about white people.

Cain has been rectally scoped about a 100x more thoroughly than good Old Jugeared Galoot Idiot Barry.

It's incredible to see it in action.

They really hate conservatives...

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Racism Identifier at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (tcSZb)

241 Well if Rick Santorum went to the National Press Club to answer questions about sexual harassment- he should go with- The Ways of the Cross and talk about how he is being persecuted just like Jesus was.... That would go over swell...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (rJVPU)

242

Yesterday outside in the parking lot of my Church I spied with my little eye a 2010 beautiful white Range Rover with a "Who Is Jon Galt?" Sticker.

I love my parish.

Sigh.

Mine is so not like that.  Where's Kensington so I can whine about it again?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (sbV1u)

243 Biologists are...never mind.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2011 04:11 PM (T0NGe)

Blow me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (3vSLn)

244 God Damn America!  The USofKKKA

Posted by: Obama's Faith at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (VxqUc)

245 i'd be more concerned if a candidate started singing show tunes...................

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work ready to drink perry flavor aid at October 31, 2011 11:30 AM (s+J9D)

246 242 What's the Guinness world record for shortest marriage??

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (fyOgS)

247 What a pretty cover of 'He looked beyond my fault' sung to Londonderry Air!

Posted by: essinmee at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (7YGlt)

248 By the way, someone help me out here.  Why does Cain dislike Perry so much?  He's said twice now (that I've heard of) that he couldn't support Perry if he's the nominee.  That's a pretty harsh thing to say.

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (sFD5n)

249 I remain convinced that Professor Golfpants will be re-elected.

Posted by: Jones at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

250 Further, unlike you, I do not believe I have the power to look inside their hearts. If you had a 4" angle grinder with a diamond cutting wheel and a sharp boning knife, you'd change your tune.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (l9zgN)

251

OK, found vid of the singing that would get by the proxy. Great pipes!

But would have to listen to the whole speech to see if it was out of place or not and I'm having enough trouble staying focused on this C# code.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (/bVuS)

252 Ace is not of The Body.

Posted by: Festival! at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (IfkGz)

253

I don't care one way or the other. But if you are going to be public like that, you better walk the walk, or the media and the left will eat you alive. Unless of course you are a liberal democrat, and then it just doesn't matter.

 

FYNQ!

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (GvYeG)

254 Wait, he was ASKED to sing that? That is completely different.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (nj1bB)

255 But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:20 PM (nj1bB)

Now that is an overreaction. You really think Christians would relegate others to second class status? Really?

Posted by: KG at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (LD21B)

256 I just feel like everything is coming apart at the seams.

Posted by: Meghan McCain's Panties at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (dagTu)

257 Please confirm, he was asked?

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (nj1bB)

258 "

Mine is so not like that. Where's Kensington so I can whine about it again?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:30 PM (sbV1u) "

Not to rub it in but there is also a guy who drives a 10 or 12 year old BMW with a sticker on it that has the 2008 "O" logo on it that says "Who's In Your Wallet?"

Posted by: Obama's Faith at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (VxqUc)

259 He can sing.  People who practice the atheist faith are offended by this?

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 11:32 AM (ieDPL)

260 229 You forgot Jerry Mathers as the Beaver.

Ace, you're being to hard on The Beaver.

Posted by: June Cleaver at October 31, 2011 04:27 PM (vbh31)

No that wasn't Ace that was me IYKWIMAITYD.

 

Posted by: Kris Humphries at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (8ieXv)

261

"Kim Kardashian: Most expensive Hooker in the world!"

 

CashGrassorAss

...and she's got ass.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (5eVSI)

262 Actually to compare and contrast.... Since Catholics aren't big on the singing- Rick Santorum should have done his own Pageant of the Passion of Christ and shown up wearing thorns and then have his staff whip him coming and going... See, weird right?

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (rJVPU)

263 What's the Guinness world record for shortest marriage??

The ax must fall.

Posted by: Henry the VIII at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (JYheX)

264

Wait, he was ASKED to sing that?

That is completely different.

Ace...the first report is ALWAYS wrong.

Ask any military guy on this smart military blog.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (sbV1u)

265  What's the Guinness world record for shortest marriage??

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2011 04:31 PM (fyOgS)

 

My first marriage.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (coN0Z)

266

>>> The Christian response to that is to try to remain peaceful, and to put your trust in the foundations of your faith.

Ace:  And also advertise that faith to possible voters, I guess.

I appreciate you think this is just being done for the Glory of Jesus.

I cna't help but notice that Cain has excited a lot of Christian primary voters... do you suppose that's a coincidence?

Did he sing Amazing Grace for Christ's glory or for his own political fortunes?

(Well, I think right now, you're trying to do what you say the Christians are trying to do..."look into his heart."

But seriously, you say Cain has excited a lot of Christian primary voters.  Well good.  You know that it wouldn't help his campaign if Christian primary voters were going "meh...".


>> . I don't like it that religious people are now expected to go into the closet to have that kind of response.

Ace: With all due respect, this is essentially an impersonal business transaction. We are seeking a president. We ask him questions. We evaluate his answers.

I think that an outburst of Amazing Grace is as out of place here as it would be if I were buying a car, and the car salesman tried to appeal to me that way.e

You are seeking to define the terms of the acceptable parameters of campaigning.  Naturally, what you see as acceptable dovetails nicely with your preferences and beliefs.  Others have different preferences and beliefs.

Look, this all about trying to get enough people to like you as a candidate as well as your policies to vote.  It isn't all about just talking points, policies and plans.

Kissing babies, shaking hands, glad handling etc. is all part of it.  None of that has anything to do with his positions, but it helps get votes.

He did a shout out to the Christian side.  Good for him.  So why does that bother you?  Next week he'll probably do some shout out to Jews, saying something about their great Abrahamic traditions, trying to peel off a few more Jewish votes.  And then next week he'll do some shout out, about how here in America, our first amendment protects us from mandated state imposed religions.  And there is you and the secular voters shout out.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:12 PM (nj1bB)

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:33 AM (Y2WVW)

267 I mean guys, John Huntsman was bitten by a New Hampshire goat and all you guys can talk about is Herman Cain today????  link in previous statement above.

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (k1rwm)

268 Havedash at October 31, 2011 04:31 PM

He hate Perry's racist rock fetish. Apparently in Texas they have all the black people in chain gangs singing CHRISTIANS Spirituals. He saw it on Blazing Saddles and assumed it was Texas.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (8O4/a)

269

I'm leaning towards "slitting my wrists" at the moment.

I might just cut horizontally, though, so it's more of a Cry for Help than actual suicide attempt.

HAHAHA! That is exactly what I was thinking!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (xeVap)

270 Unlike some candidates, I won't pound back a quart of Granny's special "cough syrup" and blare out a round of "The Rugged Old Cross." That's The Mitt Romney Difference!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (XE2Oo)

271 #212
"I identify myself as a small government, low tax, low regulation, socially conservative individual.  That means I'm not going to vote for -- or, if pressed, like voting for -- someone who has expressed sympathy with big government, high tax, high regulation, socially liberal individuals". 
Precisely. I  would also add, for myself, I identify as an evangelical Christian. The faith of the candidate is extremely important to me. Cain and Perry fit the bill as far as I am concerned. I do vote religion. I'm Reformed Democrat - I overlooked the huge failings of Clinton, and learned my lesson. I'm not the only one.
Those of us on the Right better start learning to make alliances though. I would easily vote for any of the Republican candidates in the upcoming election. But in the primary, I will have my say.

Posted by: tubal at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (BoE3Z)

272

And here I was afraid we might elect a stealth muslim practicing taqiyya to the White House.

Posted by: Hvy Mtl Hntr at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (ERH/a)

273 Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:32 PM (nj1bB)

Yes, the moderator joked that Cain sang that Godfather thing at the Press Club of Omaha so he should sing at the National Press Club. The moderator started the whole thing up.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (plesI)

274 But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Ace, you're the only one saying that.  Cain didn't.  No Christian has.  But the Constitution itself (and certainly the Declaration of Independence) was based on Judeo-Christian values. 

It is those very values that make us equal.  That's not something that atheism can say.  Indeed, most of our ideas of Liberty only make any sense when seen through the lens of some religion- and specifically Christianity.

I'm sorry it makes you feel weird that Herman Cain doesn't mind singing a hymn in a press conference.  But that's really not a reason not to vote for him.

His 9-9-9 plan?  That's a reason not to vote for him.  See how we can keep those separate?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (8y9MW)

275

He was asked to sing. http://tinyurl.com/64b2rsh

Good on him for his selection.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (/bVuS)

276 he was ASKED to do that.
Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 04:04 PM (jP3Hh)

confirm rs?

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:34 AM (h+qn8)

277

Since Catholics aren't big on the singing-

We're not?

What's that noise I hear 6 times during Mass every Sunday?

Someone's gonna have to tell those monks to ixnay the antchay too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (sbV1u)

278 258 Wait, he was ASKED to sing that? That is completely different. Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:32 PM **** It's possible. I've looked for any footage that shows prior context and I can't find it.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (rJVPU)

279 259 But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians. --------------------------------- Oh c'mon! You'll still have a friendly judiciary when you sue us over our nativity scenes.

Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (dagTu)

280

Cain has an absolutely wonderful voice. He has given us little samples of it before, at stump speeches and such.

I wish he hadn't done this today of all days, though. ....Because it is eerily similar to the way that Bill Clinton used to go running to drape himself in his religious window dressings whenever a new scandal would errupt.

I do not doubt that Herman Cain is sincere in his faith. ....All I am saying here is that his breaking out in a song of faith today, of all days, is a bit of bad timing, politically.

This is Day One of a fresh 'scandal' involving allegations of sexual harrassment against Cain.  .....Any mention of his faith today is going to dredge up memories of that rat bastard Clinton and the way he used to do go running for cover with his 5 lb. Bible.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (XkwIi)

281

But would have to listen to the whole speech to see if it was out of place or not and I'm having enough trouble staying focused on this C# code.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 04:31 PM (/bVuS)

Scott, this is a clip that includes the moderator asking him to sing.

http://tinyurl.com/3wv3g55

Posted by: Tami at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (X6akg)

282 I know for sure he was asked on the "Amazing Grace" one.  Don't know about today.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (JYheX)

283
I do not believe it's fair that Christians should be second-class.

But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.<<<

Play Madlibs with that, replacing Christians with any other group identity, and it becomes extremely interesting.

I've had about enough atheist bloggers for the millenium.

Posted by: Kerry at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (a/VXa)

284 271 I question the goat's taste in candidates.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (ieDPL)

285 228 Miss"80s

What if Mitt Romney busted out with a Mormon hymn?

What if Sarah Palin did this?

What if Rick Perry did this?

Somehow I think Herman Cain gets more of a pass for some reason.


I really would not expect any of them to do that, because it is not part of their tradition. Also, I had no objections with Perry praying for rain. However, I can definitely understand why it might seem odd to some people. If he had just started singing for no reason, then maybe I would, too, but he was asked to share.

Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (d6QMz)

286

Herman Cain demonstrated his vocal abilities Monday when asked if he would sing at an appearance at the National Press Club in Washington. 

Saying he'd sing a song that would “share a little bit of my faith," he burst into the gospel hymn "He looked beyond my fault."

He sang the first verse only: “Amazing Grace will always be my song of praise, for it was grace that brought me liberty."

from Scott's link

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (h+qn8)

287 A new Cain flame thread up.

Posted by: Vic at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (YdQQY)

288
Getting to know you

Getting to know all about you...

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (QMtmy)

289 So, to aspire to public service we must now hide our faith in public at all costs? Even when asked? Since when? The left sure has destroyed this country.

Posted by: We Are Boned at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (fpkIr)

290 Someone asked him to sing and he sang, Disqualification!

SOMEONE ask Rick Skerry to run after he said he wouldn't and he ran! Wonderful!

Working out that way pretty good so far.
s/

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 11:35 AM (vXqv3)

291 Just shoot me now. We've got the Indonesian imbecile SCoaMF driving the country off a cliff. ANY reasonably competent conservative candidate should be able to win 56 of the 57 states in a cakewalk and we've got this pathetic crew handling another term to Obumbles. If i have to I'll settle for a republican supermajority in the congress to hold the line with Daryl Issa serving up subpoenas on a daily basis.. President Rubio in 2016.

Posted by: Muggedbyreality at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (tFH8J)

292 What's the goat up to next year this time?

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (tazG1)

293 Now we're gettin' down to the lick-log: Is America Ready for State of the Union -- The Musical?

Posted by: Dan Rather at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (6Cjut)

294 so He was being Polite, and sharing his faith. after being asked. that doesn't seem wrong.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (h+qn8)

295

What if Sarah Palin did this?

It was a bit pitchy, dog.

Posted by: Randy at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (5eVSI)

296

Who says anything about you being a second class citizen for not being Christian, ace?  And how does Herman Cain singing about *his* faith say that about you?  Strawman much? 

Yes, I really do believe it is a brave thing for a politician, or *anyone* in the public square to make a real statement about their faith.  Because we don't want to offend.  We surely don't want to make the atheists feel all oogie about the superstition, so let's not mention it.  Or at best, just go with the pabalum that they have to say, boob bait for the bubbas. 

But, really, is this where Cain lost you?  You were on that bandwagon, but then he got all "weird" and he sang, and then you were like, oh, no way, man! 

That's not exactly how it happened, is it? 

At any rate, I find Cain's choice of song interesting, given the controversy currently swirling around him. 

He Looked Beyond My Fault and Saw My Need. 

Amazing grace shall always be my song of praise,
for it was grace that brought my liberty;
I do not know just why He came to love me so,
He looked beyond my fault and saw my need.

Okay, now shake off the oogie superstition, and read the words. 

Interesting choice, no? 

 

 

Posted by: blaster at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (7vSU0)

297 "As Jon Huntsman stumped in New Hampshire this weekend, trying to give voters a taste of what a Huntsman presidency would be like, a local goat named Izak quite literally got a taste of the former Utah governor when he nibbled on his knee at an event in Dover."
See, someone's paying attention....

I'm not innately funny but even I've come up with ten jokes about this incident

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (k1rwm)

298 Is anybody besides me just beyond frustrated at how the conservative candidates keep messing themselves up w/ factually challenged/goofy B.S.?

Posted by: norrin radd at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (HprDl)

299

Cain is approaching his "Dean Scream" moment when he self- destructs as a potential President but lives on in media attention popularity money and some influence for many years to come.

One might argue that Cain has already had one or more "DeanScream" moments and that the eventual collapse of his campaign is occuring in relatively slow motion over several mini-"screams" compared to Howard's epic cat-strangling 2004 flameout.

I think we cant/shouldnt/wont elect someone President who has never held elective office of any kind, unless the person running is obviously Jesus or Damien Thorn.

I dont think Herman Cain is either of those, though he certainly lives down the block from Thorn Manor and may have been at the hockey game when Damien shoved Bill Atherton under the ice.

As Ive said before, I want a Republican President to appoint Cain as Secretary of Shutting Down Useless Cabinet Departments. I would NOT like to see the GOP nominate Cain, as he is imh2bo too unprepared at this point for the global thunderdome.

Posted by: Mike D. at October 31, 2011 11:36 AM (Z1i7B)

300 284 259 But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.
---------------------------------

Oh c'mon! You'll still have a friendly judiciary when you sue us over our nativity scenes.

Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 04:35 PM (dagTu)

Priceless.

Posted by: tubal at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (BoE3Z)

301

I love the internet. MFM smears unravel so much faster now.

Posted by: Scott J at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (/bVuS)

302 this just in...

The completely unbiased MFM has just announced that it has found absolutely no overt sexual harassment against all of the unnamed women in TheWon's personal nonhistory to also explicitly exclude any contact of any kind with any women anywhere at any time.
Odumdum to make a short speech this evening on this subject to be followed by his very secular medly of Village People hit tunes.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 31, 2011 11:37 AM (HBqDo)

303 I do not believe it's fair that Christians should be second-class.

But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Being antagonistic toward faith, in that someone running should not profess their faith at a time according to you would be "inappropriate"  would in fact put me and I think many others at odds with our faith, in that I cannot be ashamed of my faith and hide it publicly, but I must have the courage to profess it openly. You would, so you don't feel uncomfortable and marginalized about your lack of faith, make it disqualifying for the faithful to profess so, and assume, any act doing so is a capricious and calculated dog whistle to make some sort of theocracy out of the US wherein we promptly burn all the disbelievers.

This seems like neither capricious and calculated, and according to my faith, if it was, he has to answer to higher authority for it.

Yeah the one question that goes unasked in a world where every word is weighed, "Hey maybe he actually believes it"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:38 AM (0q2P7)

304 We're not? What's that noise I hear 6 times during Mass every Sunday? Someone's gonna have to tell those monks to ixnay the antchay too. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:35 PM ***** Admit it-and I think you just did-Catholics suck at singing. It's more like mumbling broken up with some whining...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:38 AM (rJVPU)

305 Funny, I don't remember Obama sitting in Jeremiah Wright's pews for 20 years being an issue for independents (that's what we're talking about here, right?).  Why would this make a difference?

Or are we talking about the agnostic-Republican vote here?

Posted by: America's Chickens Coming Home To Roost at October 31, 2011 11:38 AM (4136b)

Posted by: Wolfman Jack at October 31, 2011 11:38 AM (m8ARs)

307 I'm not sure they didn't ask Cain first about singing, or that it might even have been his idea.  But at least it was staged as a request that he sing .. and he said "don't expect me to sing at your (other) events)"

Posted by: Illini bill at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (qYIxi)

308

<< What's the Guinness world record for shortest marriage??>>

I think Dennis Rodman and Carmen Elektra got that.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 11:39 AM (kpb4T)

309

And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.  But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

Matthew 6:5-6

That's what I find wrong with what Cain did today.

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 11:40 AM (sFD5n)

310

Admit it-and I think you just did-Catholics suck at singing.

It's more like mumbling broken up with some whining...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 04:38 PM (rJVPU)

Dude, c'mon down to my parish next week.  There's like some opera quality singing in there.  Seriously.

But Gregorian chant?  Yeah, I'll give you that.  Unless you know the Latin, then it's cool.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:40 AM (sbV1u)

311 Today, Many Americans heard their Candidate sing. But we still don't know the answer to the key question: Can he square dance Aunt Millie across the barn all the way to the White House? Uncle Carville's standing across the way with a shot gun full of powder that says, "Turn loose o' Millie. This ain't your dance no more."

Posted by: Dan Rather at October 31, 2011 11:40 AM (6Cjut)

312 Speaking of Mitt Romney, there are two words I have never heard a Mormon utter: Joseph Smith. For a prophet that guy doesn't get a lot of air time.

Posted by: Spiked at October 31, 2011 11:40 AM (dagTu)

313 Havedash . it wasn't praying it was singing to His g-d after being asked.

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (h+qn8)

314 but he was asked to share. Posted by: Miss'80s at October 31, 2011 04:35 PM **** Wow I've been watching the CNN Battle Station off and on...I don't think they've "shared" that bit of info yet. Yikes!

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (rJVPU)

315 Cain is the man . . .Romney (not so much)!

Posted by: Pragmatist at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (lTnzg)

316 "Hey, Ace. Then go vote for O'dipshit. He's a whole helluva lot better than a man that stands up and says, "Vote for me, I believe in Jesus." Go for it. I'm a devout Christian yet I don't rip my neighbor's fucking ear off with the gospel over the back fence, but it sure doesn't mean I squirm when faced with the bedrock of this country. Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at October 31, 2011 04:24 PM (MPtFW)" Is that really going to be our choice? "Vote for me, I believe in Jesus" versus "Vote for me, I believe I am Jesus" ?

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at October 31, 2011 11:41 AM (E7I0g)

317 258 Wait, he was ASKED to sing that?
That is completely different.

Damn! 258 comments in...

Posted by: RioBravo at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (eEfYn)

318 think i'll go out and smell the flowers that are left. peace

Posted by: willow at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (h+qn8)

319

Last time we had McLame reaching across the aisle.

This time we could have Cain reaching for a high note.

I've about reached the Casey Stengle point, where you ask "Can't anybody here play this game?"

Posted by: sherlock at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (7UMow)

320 I do not believe it's fair that Christians should be second-class.

But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:20 PM (nj1bB)

This is not a difficult concept. Nobody is asking candidates to hide their religions. Nobody is suggesting that religion is bad.

But is keeping it a private matter too much to ask? Notice, I didn't say secret. I said private.

Is my Jewishness in some way unacceptable to a Cain administration?

Do I have to accept Jesus into my life and heart before I can receive the full approval of President Cain?

Maybe Cain should show some respect for the religions of all of his supporters, not just the ones from his church.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:42 AM (3vSLn)

321

But Gregorian chant?  Yeah, I'll give you that.

---------- 

Enigma made gregorian chants cool!

Posted by: PETE at October 31, 2011 11:43 AM (j/wD+)

322

303

Everyone says and does stupid things all the time.  The difference is that the MSM reports and blows up every stupid thing said and done by a conservative and nothing said and done by liberals.  How can we hope to see things as they truly are.  And we really must stop doing their dirty work for them.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at October 31, 2011 11:43 AM (kpb4T)

323 Sean Bannion Dude, c'mon down to my parish next week. There's like some opera quality singing in there. Seriously. Maybe they're Irish Catholics-some of them can sing... heh.

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:43 AM (rJVPU)

324 Mormons taste like chicken.

Posted by: Izak the Goat at October 31, 2011 11:43 AM (tazG1)

325 And also "Amazing Grace" is considered a spiritual song, not especially Christian.  Joan Baez sang it at Woodstock, of all places.

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:43 AM (coN0Z)

326 OK so Rick Santorum should break out the Gregorian Chant next debate...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:44 AM (rJVPU)

327

Maybe they're Irish Catholics-some of them can sing...

Guilty as charged.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:44 AM (sbV1u)

328

Matthew 6:5-6

That's what I find wrong with what Cain did today.

You can't read the Bible then. I stubbed out all the different places Christ commands public profession of faith above. This wasn't a prayer to God, this was a public proclamation. Which is a required part of many many Christian faiths.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:44 AM (0q2P7)

329 The man has a wicked sense of humor and he can sing...I mean what more do you guys want?

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (k1rwm)

330
There's like some opera quality singing in there.  Seriously.


♫  Ol' Man Riverrr... ♫

Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (QMtmy)

331 But is keeping it a private matter too much to ask? Notice, I didn't say secret. I said private.

Yes.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:45 AM (0q2P7)

332 He sings pretty, but will America buy that 45 rpm record after it hears the flip side?

Posted by: Dan Rather at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (6Cjut)

333 You really think Christians would relegate others to second class status? Really?

Posted by: KG at October 31, 2011 04:32 PM (LD21B)

No, of course not. Whatever gave you that idea.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (3vSLn)

334

OK so Rick Santorum should break out the Gregorian Chant next debate...

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 04:44 PM (rJVPU)

He should try it.  Nothing else is getting him any traction.

If he did, the "excitement" would last about two hours....then it's back to same-o same-o.

Somehow "Santorum" and "catch the fever" don't seem to go together.  In fact, a "Santorum" sounds like something that's stored in the sacristy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (sbV1u)

335 Re # 315.
Matthew 5:14-15 - "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in Heaven". Maybe Herman is sincere and unashamed about what he believes.

Posted by: tubal at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (BoE3Z)

336 That's what I find wrong with what Cain did today.

Praying != Singing.

For the record.

Also, He was specifically talking about people praying for the public praise they would receive- not, you know, when asked.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at October 31, 2011 11:46 AM (8y9MW)

337 ">>>So should I just give up the goat and slit my wrists now?"

Actually, it's "give up the ghost." However, since it's a religious reference in and of itself, you might just want to find another expression (in this venue, at any rate.)

Posted by: seanmom at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (V2JCA)

338 Yes, beware political candidates who play the "vote for me, I love jesus" gambit

Posted by: mjhlaw at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (EbHlR)

339 Guilty as charged. Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 31, 2011 04:44 PM ****** Knew it!

Posted by: tasker at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (rJVPU)

340

@315

 

And Psalm 98:4: 

Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: blaster at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (7vSU0)

341 >Is my Jewishness in some way unacceptable to a Cain administration?

>Do I have to accept Jesus into my life and heart before I can receive the full approval of President Cain?

>Maybe Cain should show some respect for the religions of all of his supporters, not just the ones from his church.



Really? You went there?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 11:47 AM (Sh42X)

342 Also, "He Saw Beyond My Faults" is not a hymn. It's a Southern Gospel song.

Posted by: seanmom at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (V2JCA)

343 But is keeping it a private matter too much to ask? Notice, I didn't say secret. I said private.

Yes.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 04:45 PM (0q2P7)

Then if he is the nominee he will lose.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (3vSLn)

344 Can you just see the staff's of bachman and santorum going "damn, he got himself bitten by a goat, man that guy will do anything to get noticed"

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (k1rwm)

345

258 Wait, he was ASKED to sing that?

Did some MSM-type ask him "Herman, you know you haven't done anything batshit crazy for us in several minutes - waddaya got?"

Posted by: sherlock at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (7UMow)

346 If Cain can sing the lyrics to Hail to the Chief I think he can wrap the nomination up. We can disband the Marine Band and make Ron Paul happy, too.

Posted by: RioBravo at October 31, 2011 11:48 AM (eEfYn)

347
But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:20 PM (nj1bB)

Now that is an overreaction. You really think Christians would relegate others to second class status? Really?

Posted by: KG at October 31, 2011 04:32 PM (LD21B)

Unfortunately, Ace has become a drama queen.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 11:49 AM (7+pP9)

348

This is not a difficult concept. Nobody is asking candidates to hide their religions. Nobody is suggesting that religion is bad.

But is keeping it a private matter too much to ask? Notice, I didn't say secret. I said private.

Is my Jewishness in some way unacceptable to a Cain administration?

Do I have to accept Jesus into my life and heart before I can receive the full approval of President Cain?

Maybe Cain should show some respect for the religions of all of his supporters, not just the ones from his church.

CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 04:42 PM (3vSLn)

******

No, your Jewishness is not.

But look, if Cain doing a Christian shout out is unacceptable, so is your proclamation of your Jewishness.  And that's just ridiculous.

And I'm sure he'll do a shout out to the Jewish faith too, before the end of this campaign. 

 

 

 

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (Y2WVW)

349 Really? You went there?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 04:47 PM (Sh42X)

Sure! It's hyperbole, but take a look at some of the other comments and it will fit right in!

We are a Judeo-Christian nation, but not an explicitly Christian and religious one.

It is not a difficult concept.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (3vSLn)

350 You have to admit he's good. But not qualified to sing at 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts. Not even the slightest Indian dialect.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 31, 2011 11:50 AM (6Cjut)

351 Is this the second time he sang?  I seem to remember him singing during an interview.  He loves to sing.  He's who he is, so happy go lucky and confident in who he is, he's driving both the dems and the MSM and some conservatives and republicans crazy.  This is fun to watch.  I mean when Juan Williams warns that "not just the libs" have their claws out for Cain, you know in your heart he's a winner!!!!

Posted by: cainiac at October 31, 2011 11:51 AM (k1rwm)

352 In Herman Cain's lexicon, I think "Vote for me; I love Jesus" would be considered a non-sequitur.  The deepest truth of his life is that he loves Jesus. Also, he would like your vote. Other than having consulted God before entering the race (as any good Christian would), the two have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: seanmom at October 31, 2011 11:51 AM (V2JCA)

353 Why is Pat Robertson talking to me, I hate the guy.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 31, 2011 11:52 AM (Sh42X)

354 Then if he is the nominee he will lose.

Maybe so. Just don't whine when your candidates are hypocritical about faith when they are willing to sweep it under the rug to gain power; or any other belief if they can cast that one aside so easily. For a true believer in in the gospels, a private faith is incompatible.

Catholics have an entire sacrament centered around profession of faith. Baptists require someone to be above the age of consent just so they may publicly profess during baptism. I know of no Christian devotion where it is acceptable to keep your faith out of public life.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 31, 2011 11:53 AM (0q2P7)

355 My question had always been;  why does the mention of God or Christianity scare the batshit out of aetheists?

Posted by: Soona - Mayan liaison at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (coN0Z)

356

"Is my Jewishness in some way unacceptable to a Cain administration?

Do I have to accept Jesus into my life and heart before I can receive the full approval of President Cain?

Maybe Cain should show some respect for the religions of all of his supporters, not just the ones from his church.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 04:42 PM (3vSLn) "

Just told the Jewish better half the story of today's hymn singing by Herman after being asked.  His response, "Cool.  He is so comfortable in his own skin."

Maybe it's just you?

Posted by: Heartless Nora at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (VxqUc)

357

"And I'm sure he'll do a shout out to the Jewish faith too, before the end of this campaign. "

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 04:50 PM (Y2WVW)

No, my proclamation was to point out the silliness of any explicit profession of faith. It is vital that our president be a man of faith, or at least one who is deeply respectful of religion and its place in America. But crossing the line to vocal and public support of one religion or faith or sect diminishes that respect and makes it parochial.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (3vSLn)

358 Ace, you're sounding a bit Charles Johnson-ish here.

Singing a hymn is not necessarily a religious act or an attempt to convert you.

Nor is it necessarily an attempt to pander to your religious supporters.

A hymn is a song; happens to be about Jesus, or God, or an emotion or an event.

Would you rather he sang "Me so horny."  Less offensive, that?

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2011 11:54 AM (fEmj2)

359 >>But I'll be damned before I accept that, as far as the civic nation, I'm second-class to Christians.

Posted by: ace at October 31, 2011 04:20 PM (nj1bB)

Hopefully for everyone involved that doesn't turn out to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Rapture rocket belt rental idling in driveway just in case.... 

Posted by: ontherocks at October 31, 2011 11:55 AM (HBqDo)

360 Is it planned to have a series of clarifications on every post now? Or just 50% of them?

Posted by: RioBravo at October 31, 2011 11:55 AM (eEfYn)

361 Out, damned sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:55 AM (3vSLn)

362 My point is he picked today of all days to sing a song titled, "He Saw Beyond My Faults"?  And this is not supposed to be viewed as in any way shape or form as possibly self serving Christian bating? 

Posted by: Havedash at October 31, 2011 11:57 AM (sFD5n)

363

Maybe it's just you?

Posted by: Heartless Nora at October 31, 2011 04:54 PM (VxqUc)

Nope. I am comfortable with religion, enjoy everything about it, and am inclined to respect those who are religious before those who are not.

But I don't want my president to behave this way.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 31, 2011 11:58 AM (3vSLn)

364

No, my proclamation was to point out the silliness of any explicit profession of faith. It is vital that our president be a man of faith, or at least one who is deeply respectful of religion and its place in America. But crossing the line to vocal and public support of one religion or faith or sect diminishes that respect and makes it parochial.

Posted by: Pat Robertson/Charlie Brown at October 31, 2011 04:54 PM (3vSLn)

*****

Fair enough.  I don't agree, but I'm not wildly outraged by your position, so fair enough.

 

Posted by: ed at October 31, 2011 11:59 AM (Y2WVW)

365 Unfortunately, Ace has become a drama queen.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 04:49 PM (7+pP9)


Oh crap is Ace really Whorealdo in disguise? and I kinda liked Ace, a little.


If I'm not mistaken in won of the recent debates weren't the seven dwarfs ALL as a man and woman trying to out religion themselves with the faith and family answer at the end?

But, sing a song, using your talent to sing, when asked, and Herman is out of line.

guess he should have sang "she'll be comin round the mountain" instead of Amazing grace? Ace?

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 12:02 PM (vXqv3)

366 Joke candidate is a joke. Cain is nothing but a wall for Romney to bounce ideas and strategies off of.

Posted by: Jordan at October 31, 2011 12:04 PM (XJYf4)

367
Ace, you're sounding a bit Charles Johnson-ish here.

Singing a hymn is not necessarily a religious act or an attempt to convert you.

Nor is it necessarily an attempt to pander to your religious supporters.

A hymn is a song; happens to be about Jesus, or God, or an emotion or an event.

Would you rather he sang "Me so horny."  Less offensive, that?

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2011 04:54 PM (fEmj2)

Bravo! You've done a superlative job of pigeonholing Ace.

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at October 31, 2011 12:05 PM (7+pP9)

368 Ace is trying to burnish his "establishment" credentials so that the David Frum's of the world will accept him.

Posted by: Iblis at October 31, 2011 12:05 PM (f3hP+)

369 You morons are really gonna go ape shit when Herman belts out a rap tune written up by Zoe Nation and pounding the Lyin kING!

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 31, 2011 12:06 PM (vXqv3)

370 As far as the hymn goes... I think Cain just made huge inroads into the black vote.  And since everyone is always so concerned about what the Europeans think maybe he can go on that show (Europe's Got Talent -- and "Free" Health Care) where all of the European wannabes compete for the title of "Least Guttural Sounding."


Posted by: Voluble at October 31, 2011 12:07 PM (JKX4x)

371 Ace,

Please explain how this is somehow different from the NYT freaking out about Rick Perry's holding a public prayer meeting back in August.

I don't know how to do tiny url but if you google it comes up as first hit.

I'm more of a Perry guy myself still and I thought this was an unfair attack on him which is why I don't understand your take on this.

Posted by: Spad13 at October 31, 2011 12:21 PM (1kSKA)

372 yep, now all we need is for Ace to start threatening to ban everyone who doesn't agree with him, and the Chuck Johnson-ization will be complete.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 31, 2011 12:24 PM (ZtQ1a)

373 Yeah, what does sharing values with the vast majority of American voters have to do with anything?

Posted by: Chuckit at October 31, 2011 12:28 PM (tNRS0)

374

You know, I love Ace. I really do. But lately, I have to say, he has been on a "bitchy to anyone but Perry" kick.

I am not all that big of a faith person, way more of an agnostic. But I saw this live this morning and I have to tell you, it was truly a great moment. I thought to anyway. Inspiring even.

So I have a question for Ace: Why so serious? Have you gotten so cynical that and desperate to beat Obama (which I understand, believe me) that something spontaneous like this has to be instantly derided?

I'm not trying to be a wise-ass. I really would like to see Ace address this recent attitude of his.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 12:35 PM (jP3Hh)

375 O Danny Boy tune, not a formal Christian Hymn.

Cain was asked to sing? Someone said he's sung this before. I'd be less surprised to find that his lyrics were ad lib, a little grace goes a long way in the making.

That Ace would take offense at something Christian popping out in public only goes to show how he separates church from all else, especially from public media in any way linked with politics that could be interpreted as State v. Church. Unless what? He's asked to sing. OK, there's Cain's "right" to be Christian by selection in public.

I recall Cain's critique of his opponents playing their "evangelical" card as if "trying a bit too hard" a month ago. Funny, that. But I won't begrudge Cain his call on grace in his hour of need.

Posted by: Dollar Value at October 31, 2011 12:54 PM (lpWVn)

376 You know, I love Ace. I really do. But lately, I have to say, he has been on a "bitchy to anyone but Perry" kick. Posted by: RS at October 31, 2011 05:35 PM (jP3Hh)
So has Gateway Pundit. Hmmmm

Posted by: That's queer at October 31, 2011 01:26 PM (j85ox)

377 Meh.  Now if Cain had done some wildly articulated gestures like laying on of the hands to cast out demons and such, or stabbing pins and needles into an Obama-like or Romney-like homunculus, well, - that might be something.

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2011 01:34 PM (FabC8)

378 Ace maybe you hittin the bottle too much? (well for you i mean).

Posted by: marine43 at October 31, 2011 02:31 PM (f76Ry)

379 I love this man,  I gotta send him some more money...

Posted by: TheGarbone at October 31, 2011 02:50 PM (O3f8/)

380 Just checked. Yep, Romney stil sux. 

Posted by: Live Free Or Die at October 31, 2011 03:00 PM (RW+8z)

381 Is my Jewishness in some way unacceptable to a Cain administration?

Do I have to accept Jesus into my life and heart before I can receive the full approval of President Cain?

Yup, the leftist atheists love the Jews, but the christians hate them. I had some smart Israeli friends who were in the US for couple years for research. They went back to Israel because they love their country. I tipped my hat to them. But I also told them that their Jewish compatriots in this country has been voting for the people who would have them annihilated. If even Jewish Republicans think this way, then only God can save them.


Posted by: LAI at October 31, 2011 03:12 PM (j+Hp4)

382 With all due respect, I don't see how this is even as issue - so he sang a song after being asked by a moderator and it happened to be a hymn? BFD.

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Posted by: christine at October 31, 2011 07:36 PM (9N764)

388 Did anyone actually watch this press conference? I did, and the emcee ASKED him to sing. He said he would, but, to the audience, "don't ask me to do it at your event." But, "since I was asked," he did. Watch before the song starts. He seemed embarrassed by the question, but he was a good sport. Jerks.

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