October 31, 2008

Noonan, Parker, Buckley Have a Bad Case of PMS
— Ace

Palin Martyr Syndrome, of course.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve detected in some of the conservative critics of Sarah Palin and, to a lesser extent, John McCain, a tendency to call attention to the fact that their position has (supposedly) made them, and their dear friends, vilified figures. Vilified in this instance means they receive angry e-mails or are on the receiving end of agitated to marginally agitated blog postings. This conveniently allows for the opportunity to inject a bit of melodrama into the whole thing.

The point in calling attention to their persecution seems to be to remind us, in what they hope is a subtle but not too subtle way, what intrepid and independent-minded individuals they are. It might also offer them the opportunity to distance themselves from the nasty, narrow, knuckle-dragging crowd from which they stand miles apart. They are willing to sustain the slings and arrows from (gasp) the blogosphere – and in return, they get to appear on The Colbert Report, or The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, or MSNBC, or find their pieces published in prominent national newspapers.

Oh, life in this vale of tears.

It’s perfectly fine for people on the right/semi-right to criticize Governor Palin and Senator McCain, though one might hope they could marshall some serious arguments on their behalf (some Palin and McCain critics have, and some have not). I’d also prefer that the differences be expressed in a relatively civil way, on both sides. But in politics, sometimes things get rambunctious. In any event, it seems to me one thing we can do without is the Martyr Syndrome. To criticize Sarah Palin or announce you are going to vote against John McCain does not take particular courage, intellectual or otherwise. And to pretend it does is to engage in an adolescent game.

via Hot Air.

Posted by: Ace at 01:19 PM | Comments (75)
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1 It takes a pretty special kind of stupid or foolish to deliberately and publicly do something that will plainly enrage people, then get upset that people seem enraged by it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 31, 2008 01:22 PM (0+Ggj)

2 I call it Dixie Chicks syndrome.  It's where you forget who your audience is.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 31, 2008 01:30 PM (oLULt)

3 Chris, "arteeests" do that all the time.  It's the most telling sign of a hack.


"Oh, you mean people get UPSET if I painted a picture of Jesus doing Mary from behind?  I was just trying to send a message about my VISION.  BTW, if you don't approve my NEA grant pronto, the Christinists have won......"

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 01:30 PM (EVMm7)

4 Noonan, Parker, and Buckley today's Flaming Douche Award co-winners?

Posted by: Vinnie at October 31, 2008 01:33 PM (idf83)

5

I think Steyn had the best take in his post here - there are boutique conservatives and then there are conservatives who actually live and work in a  conservative world. And a lot of the boutiquers think that the latter are just icky and come nowhere close to the platonic ideal of what a Conservative should be.

Posted by: Mtenloch at October 31, 2008 01:34 PM (Js8cd)

6

THE TAX POLICY THAT COULD STILL WIN MCCAIN THE ELECTION:

One thing McCain is NOT good at - political judo - using an opponents strengths against him.

When Obama announced his $500 tax cut for 95% of all Americans, McCain should have countered that 40% of all Americans do not pay taxes and therefore it is not a tax cut, but a welfare check.

He should have said, “therefore, my campaign will be offering an $800 tax cut to everyone making under $250,000 a year who ACTUALLY PAY TAXES”.

“You see folks, that’s the difference between a capitalist and a socialist.  A socialist wants to spread the wealth around, a capitalist wants to let you keep more of your own money...”

CONCLUSION:
This one simple policy could still win the election for McCain.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at October 31, 2008 01:38 PM (3Tdbm)

7 (Let us not forget David Brooks "Palin the fatal cancer.") They're just trying to feather their nests at the expense of those who have paid their bills for years.  They need to be held accountable for it. Kick 'em out and don't let them back in.

Posted by: Kae Gregory at October 31, 2008 01:39 PM (YbfnA)

8 I don't think anyone thinks they are being courageous.  They are just amazed at how quickly and fully they were scorned.  They were shocked and surprised by the hate mail.  Amazed that people they considered friends would write them off for being honest about Sarah Palin and her lack of qualifications.  (After all, we are talking about a woman who just suggested that media criticism of a person running for office violates that candidate seeker's first amendment rights!!! (yes that actually does deserve three exclamation marks, it is that pathetically, 180 degreely, wrong)) 

If it took an unusual amount of courage to come out against McPalin we wouldn't have expected to see so many of you do it would we.

You just lost Reagan's Former Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein today.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 31, 2008 01:39 PM (H5l9d)

9 Screw em.  I will take a Joe the Plumber, or a Tito the Builder any day over these folks that don't have a clue about what goes on in the world of the American family.  These folks are blinded by their lives of luxury and leisure among the elites.  They may be intelligent, but they don't have the sense that God gave a jackass.

Posted by: oldfart at October 31, 2008 01:40 PM (L8y/X)

10

It takes a pretty special kind of stupid or foolish to deliberately and publicly do something that will plainly enrage people, then get upset that people seem enraged by it.

It ain't stupidity; it's egotism. Which goes a long way in explaining their unnatural attraction to Obama. They smell their own kind.

Posted by: TiredWench at October 31, 2008 01:40 PM (Kx1hM)

11 They are just like the politicians they cover.  They don't get out into the real world much and are shocked when the real world slaps them in the face.

Posted by: David at October 31, 2008 01:43 PM (HAdov)

12 Any conservative or republican that blames or otherwise speaks badly about Palin unfairly will never get my support in the future.

Posted by: TomC at October 31, 2008 01:43 PM (NbR7V)

13 Polls clearly show Palin is a drag on the ticket. If McCain loses, he can blame himself for choosing Palin.

Eventually, ace, it'll soak into your concrete-block head that years of sucking hot fundie cock for votes, worked as long as the fundies were fooled. They didn't shit out of the deal, of course. The conservative intellectuals never intended to give them anything. But, in order to keep them stupid one more election cycle, the oracles of your party gave the wheedling base Palin. And the choice is gonna sink your party.

Adios, motherfucker.

Posted by: joe the plumber at October 31, 2008 01:44 PM (6/ufm)

14

Any conservative or republican that blames or otherwise speaks badly about Palin unfairly will never get my support in the future.

Yup, since she was nominated I've been keeping a black list of the all the conservatives who dumped on her. Not that there's not valid criticism of Palin, but some conservatives just loathe her and they're the ones on my Not-To-Be-Trusted list.

Posted by: Mtenloch at October 31, 2008 01:48 PM (Js8cd)

15 Seattle Slough - put it in context idiot!  She was talking about the threat to the constitution when idiots (like you) can be made to believe that the exercise of free speech is actually dangerous. 

Posted by: Kae Gregory at October 31, 2008 01:49 PM (YbfnA)

16 The trolls are out today and since they are getting more unhinged, we must be closing in!

Posted by: IC at October 31, 2008 01:49 PM (jZNCU)

17

Sorry, OT, but take note of which has the highest bid.

As for the a-holes who seek to set themselves apart from the knuckle draggers, good on 'em. I mean, really, we're all such slobbering fools that, ya know, who could blame them?

Yet, I think it's something more than the need to stand apart. It's plain out S&M that calls them to it. No one who has ever claimed to be Republican/Conservative/Right, etc...could ever offer anything of benefit to the Obama crowd and not have a desire to have their mommy or daddy bend them over their knee. They want to be punished.

And, so be it. But for God's sake, take a trip out to San Francisco and let your bare asses feel the lash of the cat-o-nine, but leave me the fuck out of it.

Don't drag the rest of us into a fucking Presidency o' Destruction just for the thrill of it.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 31, 2008 01:50 PM (IXonY)

18 Hmmmm.

The astroturfing assholes are out in force I see.

Agreed on the "no courage" about those attacking Palin.  There are legitimate criticisms that can be brought against Palin but those aren't the ones being used.  Instead you've got Parker fantasizing that McCain picked Palin because of his pecker.

Posted by: memomachine at October 31, 2008 01:52 PM (f4Zt4)

19 "The trolls are out today and since they are getting more unhinged, we must be closing in!"

More than you would believe.

Posted by: David at October 31, 2008 01:56 PM (HAdov)

20

I just spent five hours going door to door in Republican areas, putting out literature and talking to a few at home people.

Two things I learned:

1) Female Republican campaign workers are effing hot.

2) It's hard to feel eeyore when you're actually sweating for the campaign.

PLEASE GO VOLUNTEER!

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at October 31, 2008 01:57 PM (8nAaU)

21

Fox played two clips from the trail today, one with McCain upbeat saying, essentially, We Can Do It!, and another with Obama which, actually, smelled of desperation. Almost pleading, (pp) "We need all of you young people to get out and vote and we need to you to grab five others too."

Hmmm.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 31, 2008 02:00 PM (IXonY)

22 Kae:

She seems to think that either a) the First Amendment doesn't explicitly guarantee a free press (hint: it does), or b) the press is an arm of the Federal Government which can, by itself, violate the constitution (hint: it can't).

This woman is a politician running for office.  If the press can't criticize her and the things she says, then what?  She's gonna make them stop?  THAT would be a first amendment violation.

Here for your, and possibly her, edification is the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

You might note that the Press isn't Congress.

Guess what, the press gets to criticize the things that politicians both do and say.  If you or Governor Palin don't like that, might I suggest a number of other countries where politicians do not have to confront a free and often adversarial press? 

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 31, 2008 02:00 PM (H5l9d)

23 Hey Seattle Slough - she can do what Barry did, and kick those pesky, dissenting press off the plane and bitch about needing the space for some real reporters - from Glamor magazine! That's how she can make them stop - just like your genius Barry...all that Ivy League education coming to fruition...

Posted by: IC at October 31, 2008 02:03 PM (jZNCU)

24 IC:

Yeah, because McCain totally doesn't do that.  Neither did Bush.

Nice play.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 31, 2008 02:04 PM (H5l9d)

25 Like what, SS, Obama's America?

Apparently, reporters from papers who haven't hearlded the Chosen One's coronation aren't allowed to tarnish his presence.


Also, you're full of bullshit on the whole Palin matter.

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 02:06 PM (EVMm7)

26 Gentlepeople, the problem is that these folks are "conservative pundits" because they are LABELED AS SUCH. I knew something was queer (in the sense of odd) when a C-SPAN talker referred to Andrew Sullivan as a "conservative." In what sense, I wondered. Similarly, the people we're talking about aren't Conservatives by virtue of actually having done anything except solicit syndication deals with liberals who call them conservatives.

These columnists are no different than "concern trolls" who simply lack the anonymity of David Axelrod's minions. Do you think National Review will start syndicating Diderot's Dog after the election?

Posted by: steve poling at October 31, 2008 02:07 PM (UWHTf)

27 They are willing to sustain the slings and arrows from (gasp) the blogosphere – and in return, they get to appear on The Colbert Report, or The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, or MSNBC

I knew I had a good reason for not owning a television.

But, really, who pays any attention to Noonan and Chris Buckley?  Last I heard of Buckley was a quarter century ago when he wrote wistfully and regretfully about not serving in Vietnam. Peg snarks amusingly in the WSJ and elsewhere and I liked her Revolution book about Reagan but she's like the frosting on a cake;  cloyingly sweet but not filling.  They're not going to sway any votes.

Posted by: arbuthnot at October 31, 2008 02:08 PM (Tw7Fm)

28 Bah, you guys and gals are no help. I have tonight's Flaming Douche Award winner already lined up.

Posted by: Vinnie at October 31, 2008 02:08 PM (idf83)

29 Seattle Slough - Man, I totally underestimated you when I called you an idiot.  You give idiots someone to look down on.

Posted by: Kae Gregory at October 31, 2008 02:08 PM (YbfnA)

30 Kae:

Good one.  Also well played.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 31, 2008 02:10 PM (H5l9d)

31 If I were Palin, Id be FUCKING PISSED at the media.  Seattle, do you realize what they have done to her CHILDREN?  One apprently doesn't deserve to live and the other may or may not have been impregnated by her husband/father. 

People post videos on youtube claiming to be Todd Palin telling their daugher how emasculated he feels being married to her.

If I were her, I'd have ripped what little Andrew Sullivan has for testicles off and shoved them up his ass.

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 02:10 PM (EVMm7)

32 One thing about DC circuit quasi conservatives is they whine like little girls. They knew they were going counter intuitive when they took their position against the conservative candidate (well, at least Palin).

All the whining from Frum, Noonan, Parker, etc. is only intended to ingratiate themselves with their liberal kins. Now they can write their "they hate me now" tomes and have their well deserved wounds licked by Chris Matthews (when not getting that tingle) and the other ass clowns at CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.

As for Noonan, she got Meet the Press, ABC with Stephe, and Chris Matthews to bask in her supposedly new found sarrow.

Posted by: Michelle's American White Racist at October 31, 2008 02:12 PM (NLtVk)

33

 (After all, we are talking about a woman who just suggested that media criticism of a person running for office violates that candidate seeker's first amendment rights!!! (yes that actually does deserve three exclamation marks, it is that pathetically, 180 degreely, wrong)) 

How about you post the full, contextualized quote so you can show us all how wrong she was.

And it bears repeating- our marginally qualified candidate is running at the bottom of the ticket; if she wins she'll mostly be attending a lot of state funerals and such.  Your marginally qualified candidate is running at the top of the ticket despite a complete lack of running or accomplishing anything of note in his life.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2008 02:21 PM (rf03a)

34 Reagan's Former Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein

If he has to have 7 names, his endorsement doesn't mean squat. 

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2008 02:24 PM (GlrN/)

35 Amazed that people they considered friends would write them off for being honest about Sarah Palin and her lack of qualifications.

Seattle, I really don't have a problem with people criticizing Sarah Palin, though I disagree with them.

I have a big problem heretofore avowed conservatives saying things "he's a Harvard man!" and "a rara avis" as reasons for supporting a guy who opposes virtually everything they once stood for.

For any pundit to do that and expect to be met with anything other than derision is ridiculous.

Posted by: AD at October 31, 2008 02:26 PM (BcEoC)

36 Ken Duberstein was a pal of Richard Armitage and Colin Powell. Just because Ronald Reagan gave him a job, that doesn't make him a Reaganite.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at October 31, 2008 02:28 PM (HsyFQ)

37 I suppose Richard Armitage will endorse Obama next. If he does, conservatives won't give a crap.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at October 31, 2008 02:30 PM (HsyFQ)

38 if [Palin] wins she'll mostly be attending a lot of state funerals and such

Staying in the kitchen all day wearing a white apron and baking cookies and such?  While John is out doing the 8 to 5?

She doesn't seem the type.




Posted by: arbuthnot at October 31, 2008 02:31 PM (Tw7Fm)

39 When it turns out that McCain have a court-proof victory there are a number of things that are going to be a lot of fun to watch.  Others have done a credible job of describing the obvious ones so even though I strongly believe that a thing has not been well-said until I ave said it, I'll pass this time.

But one that has not been mentioned is watching McCain and Palin deal with the prodigals that come slinking home.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 31, 2008 02:35 PM (OmeRL)

40 FWIW, I'd also take people who are bailing on McCain because of Sarah Palin's intellect more seriously if they weren't jumping over to a guy who on his own has made gaffes along the lines of "57 states," "New Pennsylvania," etc., and whose Vice Presidential pick hasn't gotten a number of basic facts about history and politics embarrassingly wrong himself in the last few weeks.

Obama went to Harvard Law.  Obama went to Columbia.  His VP pick didn't.  I'm sure the University of Delaware is a fine school - but for some of the people here ragging on Palin to play school snob, when that is Joe Biden's alma mater, is a little silly.

It's especially silly given that, whatever Palin's academic record, she was at least able to get through academia without plagiarizing . . .

Unlike the VP they're now supporting . . .

Posted by: AD at October 31, 2008 02:35 PM (BcEoC)

41 I hadn't even noticed that.  Yes, SS, do link us to the story where Sarah Palin destroys the 1st Ammendment.

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 02:36 PM (EVMm7)

42 Biden steals his speechs.

UDelaware steals their helmets.

I sense a connection.

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 02:38 PM (EVMm7)

43 I don't know why people don't see it: It's bigotry.

She's an evangelical.

Sure, GW was too, but he was also an Ivy League man and came to his conversion late in life.  He was still "one of us".

The predecessors of this particular crowd felt similarly about Reagan, make no mistake.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 31, 2008 02:38 PM (GlrN/)

44

My personal favorite:  "Palin brings the ticket down". It is to laugh. 

Posted by: Russell Ziskey at October 31, 2008 02:41 PM (LlaBi)

45 So, coming back to the Peggy Noonan idiocy, how many of these people have ever met Sarah Palin?  You've got this inbred, self-reinforcing mediocracy that, no matter what their supposed political stripe, still wants to believe the press.

And then you've got the rest of us who'd have to think for a moment about our reaction if someone flew managed to fly a plane full of MSNBC staffers into the NY Times building.

Right now Palin is the party's rainmaker.  Simple as that.  If McCain loses and the  party brass decides to close ranks and push her out, they'll have gotten the last dime and probably the last vote they'll ever get out of me. 

Posted by: mrkwong at October 31, 2008 02:42 PM (G8Eo0)

46 AmishDude - Sarah Palin's attraction for me (that is, the attraction not having to do with boots...) is that whatever her personal beliefs, she's governed according to the law.  She has not lunged for the political third-rail of creationism as Bobby Jindal did, she did not support an effort to ban gay civil unions, etc.

It always fascinates me to see all these folks, mostly on the left but a few of all political stripes, seem to think that anyone who actually admits to being a Christian must somehow be mentally deficient.   These are the same people who will give Obama a pass on twenty years of attendance at a 'Christian' church because the pastor's more into race-baiting than faith.

I'm a weddings-and-funerals Episcopalian myself, I know we've got a Bible in the house somewhere but I couldn't quite tell you where, but I know lots of evangelicals who run businesses and raise families and are just standard-issue normal people. 


Posted by: mrkwong at October 31, 2008 02:54 PM (G8Eo0)

47 Why all the Hubub? the Punditocracy has shed some weight, and the "Knuckle Dragger's" move forward with a Lady full of grace. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 31, 2008 02:55 PM (i73Rf)

48 Sarah Palin is the MAIN reason Johnny Mac has a shot right now. Without the conservative base having someone to love and fight for, he would be losing by 25 points right now. The volunteers and GOTV people are jazzed like they haven't been in a long time. That lady is something special, and most regular Americans can sense it almost right away. I've watched every campaign stop of Sarah I could find the last few weeks, and she has been on fire! Even this morning in Latrobe, Pennsylvania she had "Iron" Mike Ditka to introduce her, and he was great. This woman connects with people like noting I've seen before. She's a natural campainger, and she's right on the important issues also. She's really great on the economy from a conservative point of view, explaining in plain talk how to grow the pie for everyone(if you listen to HER, not just what the media tells you).

 Son in the Army, special needs baby, unapologetic patriotism, infectious energy and downright loveable. Sarah ain't goin' anywhere, here to stay! You betcha!

Posted by: Brian72 at October 31, 2008 02:57 PM (h6lGQ)

49

The Right Side has to win.

One is either with us, or against us. No middle ground this time.

 

My brother and his super-liberal wife early voted today. That's 2 for Hussein, unless they had an attack of conscience on the way to the polls (doubtful.)

He got on my lifetime shitlist for something else in 2004. Now he's on my Double Secret Lifetime Shitlist.

Posted by: Jones at October 31, 2008 03:02 PM (VkNlv)

50 Personally I love the claim that Palin lacks qualifications (especially in the face of a been-nowhere done-nothing like Barack Obama).  She has essentially the same experience Bill Clinton did in 1992, and Obama's gonna find out on Tuesday that it's still Bill and Hillary's party.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 31, 2008 03:24 PM (pg/HS)

51 i just think they wanna keep going to the cocktail parties

Posted by: YRM at October 31, 2008 03:29 PM (004wR)

52 Iowahawk eviscerated these bozos on his blog. Rush read a good bit today on the air.

Posted by: Doc99 at October 31, 2008 03:39 PM (et3og)

53 How true, I guess Arkansas is a teeming metropolis to libs.  Clinton had been Gov. of Arkansas and....................?


(Actually, IIRC, Clinton had been offered up as the lamb to the slaughter.  More prominent Democrats like Mario Cuomo had declined to run, fearing a landslide reelection of Bush the Elder, who was polling somewhere in the high 70s after Desert Storm.  Funny thing is, he won)

Posted by: Techie at October 31, 2008 03:49 PM (EVMm7)

54

Read the Kaylee Johnson bio; they pulled the same stuff when she was on the city council going for mayor, the petroleum commission, the lieutenant' governor' race and the governor's race. Mind they've dialed it up to 'eleventy' but don't count her out.

Posted by: narciso at October 31, 2008 03:58 PM (Rd5N3)

55 I guess it is official, Buckley is a faggot.

Posted by: Johnnie at October 31, 2008 03:58 PM (arbSw)

56 My church call this self-exclusion. 

Posted by: toby928 at October 31, 2008 04:36 PM (PD1tk)

57 Mr. Kwong at #45 with a f'n bullseye !!

Posted by: aubrey at October 31, 2008 05:08 PM (joS+d)

58

Any argument that Palin's unqualified falls apart when you have Super Genius Joe Biden saying completely bone-headed things every time he slips his leash.

Just because someone's been in Washington for 30 years doesn't mean he's qualified for the presidency.  Or anything else, for that matter, other than being one of the Senate's finest bloviators (and that's not easy, considering the competition).

Biden is a buffoon on a grand scale.  If Palin had said any one of the numerous stupid things Biden's said during this campaign, she'd have been forced from the ticket.  But he's Joe Biden, Foreign Policy Super Brain, so it's OK.

 

Posted by: tsj017 at October 31, 2008 06:04 PM (TV9JE)

59 Mr Kwong, you're right;
Johnnie, you have insulted the "faggots" with this scurrilous association to Buckley. The Proper term is "Self- Acknowledged Pseudoconservative and player of the Bearded bagpipe..."

Or, if one has a limited amount of  derogatory terms for the sodomites, call them faggots...but you could try calling them "breech loaders" or "taste testers for KY", or "freelance prostate examiners", "ass-bandits", "bend over Billies", "Sidewalk sissies"...lots of good ways to say 'suckers of cock' with style...which Buckley has absolutely none of.

Don't even ask me how many ways I can mock the Marxist Messiah's Pandering Cultists, as I have a load for them, too.

Just trying to be helpful.

Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 06:15 PM (2rMGM)

60 OK, Lets talk about that Palin experience. Actually lets not. Lets talk about qualification. Obama and Palin have similar levels of political experience. (not really, but I'll play along) Obama has been a US Senator for a few years - Palin has been a Governor for a few years. I'd call it equivalent. Obama was a state senator for several years - Palin was a small town mayor for a few years. Let's call that equivalent. So what we have to look at are the people themselves. Obama reached, quite possibly, the highest level of academic achievement attainable. He was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law and was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. - Palin has only a bachelors degree (in Broadcast Journalism no less) which she earned over about 6 years and five different schools - with the University of Idaho being the most prestigious. Looking just at what they were able to achieve academically (ignoring the Community Organizing and Constitutional Law Professorship) which candidate is better qualified for a high level job? Give me a break. You guys have villainized Obama to the point where you don't even see the man any more. He is a brilliant guy. He is a true pragmatist. The President's number one job is to uphold the Constitution. Obama has taught the Constitution. Palin (in the immortal words of a McCain staffer) is a fucking "Wack Job." She's a failed newscaster. Based on her lack of understanding of what the Vice President's job is and what the First Amendment actually means (all amendments for that matter) one can only conclude that Sarah Palin likely has not ever even read the Constitution.

Posted by: seattle slough at October 31, 2008 11:06 PM (LyEqc)

61 Obama has been a US Senator for a few years - Palin has been a Governor for a few years. I'd call it equivalent.

I wouldn't.

In the Senate you're just voting "yes" and "no" on stuff and making deals. Being a Governor is much closer to the job of being President.

Obama was a state senator for several years - Palin was a small town mayor for a few years. Let's call that equivalent.

Which, again, is just voting "yes" and "no" on stuff and making deals vs. actually running something.

Obama reached, quite possibly, the highest level of academic achievement attainable. He was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard Law and was Editor of the Harvard Law Review. - Palin has only a bachelors degree (in Broadcast Journalism no less) which she earned over about 6 years and five different schools - with the University of Idaho being the most prestigious.

And - to repeat this - (since the people supporting your candidate seem incapable of addressing it):

Sarah Palin is not our Presidential pick and Barack Obama is not your VP pick.

Barack Obama has an impressive academic experience if you don't factor in affirmative action, which he is on record as saying he's "undoubtedly benefited from."  (For the record, he did not achieve a law professorship - he was a lecturer, which is a much easier job to obtain.)

Joe Biden's record in this area is far inferior. (Again, already mentioned that - can't blame you for ignoring it.)  The guy graduated from the University of Delaware and was caught plagiarizing and almost kicked out of school during his time in academia.

As far as the five schools bit, it wasn't as a result of incompetence/flunking out - Palin's GPA was a 3.4 when she graduated.  She just didn't have the money and had to pursue different jobs and scholarships to get through - to harp on this doesn't make you demanding in your candidates when you end up siding with Joe Biden.  It makes you a snob, that's all.

P.S. as someone who went to a top five law school, trust me, any law school is not the "highest level of academic achievement."  You have to be very clever to get into Harvard Law and graduate at the top.  When it comes to public policy, government, economics, etc. you don't actually have to know jack shit -- something that's glaringly obvious whenever Obama is asked a question that doesn't presume his preexisting beliefs.

Posted by: AD at November 01, 2008 12:44 AM (BcEoC)

62 Biden is a buffoon on a grand scale.  If Palin had said any one of the numerous stupid things Biden's said during this campaign, she'd have been forced from the ticket.

Seriously.  For that matter, if George Bush had said Obama's "57 states" quote eight years ago, liberals would still be bringing it up to this day.

Posted by: AD at November 01, 2008 01:06 AM (BcEoC)

63 Who can forget Noonan's "What I Saw at the Revolution, Then Slowly Forgot as Time went On Until I had Become A Permanent Fixture in the Town Reagan Came to Change and Able to Praise Teddy Kennedy Glowingly Yet Unable to Spare A Few Kind Words for the Most Reagan-Esque Candidate in the Race"? Who can forget? Peggy Noonan, that's who. Nobody cares what Chris Buckley thinks except because of his father's principled and life-long opposition to the Socialist Statism that is Obamism. He's got the name, but we're William F. Buckley, Jr.'s kids.

Posted by: Noel at November 01, 2008 01:57 AM (4gHqM)

64 I worked at a convenience store for a year, and Bob has worked as a CEO of a grocery multinational for a year - that's roughly equivalent experience!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 01, 2008 05:52 AM (0+Ggj)

65 Somehow I find it difficult to believe that a few years of voting"present" in a state senate and 143 days in the U.S Senate would do much to enhance a resume of anyone who was caucasian. I DO know for a fact that based on his who his past associates are, Obama wouldn't pass the security investigations that I've had to go through to be granted my present clearance level(s).

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  <i>8 I don't think anyone thinks they are being courageous.  They are just amazed at how quickly and fully they were scorned.</i>    Yeah funny that. They followed the lead of the entire douchebag leftist establishment and dumped on an extremely popular conservative figure out of elitism, thus up aligning themselves with the people conservatives have been attempting to stop from stealing the Presidency for the last eighteen months. Who knew that that would result in scorn?   <i>They were shocked and surprised by the hate mail. </i>   Boo fucking hoo. Did they give any examples of this "hate mail?" Or was it just hate mail because it let them know what douchebags they are? Libtards tend to be pretty cavalier with the application of the word hate, after all. Maybe the people in question picked it up from you ass holes along with the Palin derangement.   <i>Amazed that people they considered friends would write them off for being honest about Sarah Palin and her lack of qualifications.</i>   As opposed to Barack Obama and his fucking abundant qualifications?   Hey, fuck face, I'm going to apply to you a simple test I've been applying to your fellow lefty douches across the internet:   You claim Palin is unqualified to be Vice President, despite her being a successful governor of a state and having run an energy board.   WHAT PRECISELY IS IT that Obama has done that makes him so much better qualified than Palin that he could, nay should, be President? Exactly what is the experience Obama has that so far outweighs having successfully governed a state, that he is ready to be President when Palin is not even qualified for the number two slot?   Go on. Share it with us all. Enlighten us. Pennies to pounds you won't even bother trying because you'd reveal yourself as a cowardly fuckass jumping on the chauvinist Obama band wagon about Palin's supposed lack of qualifications and you're not prepared to back it up.   Oh and before you start talking shit about her first amendment comment; um yeah try putting it into context first. Then try putting Obama's comments on the "fairness" of a higher capital gains tax, and his abysmal ignorance of efficiency in tax, in any context you like.   <i>(After all, we are talking about a woman who just suggested that media criticism of a person running for office violates that candidate seeker's first amendment rights!!! (yes that actually does deserve three exclamation marks, it is that pathetically, 180 degreely, wrong)) </i>   Hm let's see, after all, we are talking about a man - who is running for President, not Vice President - who has suggested that the capital gains tax should be raised for the sake of fairness; and stuck to this even when informed that higher capital gains tax has traditionally resulted in <i>lower</i> tax revenue. Oh and he also just said he's going to bankrupt anyone who wants to buy or build coal-powered electricity generating capacity. Your fucking moonbat messiah is so fucking ignorant about the most basic, simple principles of economics he's a fucking joke. In fact, it's no wonder you lot are doing your frantic best to stick something, anything at all, on Sarah Palin; because you know right well that she's ten times the fucking politician and ten times the person your slimey douchebag fuck-ass is.
<i>If it took an unusual amount of courage to come out against McPalin we wouldn't have expected to see so many of you do it would we.</i>   Wait, "we" here refers to the knee-jerk bitteer clinging-ests who immediately flooded the poor damsel in distress Peggy Noonan with hate mail - or does it refer to "us" who secretly want to ridicule Palin but are too scared to do so because of the strength of conservative opinion .. Or wait a second, I thought we established it doesn't take much courage to come out against her? Hm yeah you might want to give your talking points a fucking read-through before you spit them out your keyboard. Just to try and limit damage and avoid looking like a complete and utter fucking douchnozzle. If you'd catch one of your own logic holes now and again you might end up looking like only 99.999% pure unadulterated douchnozzle.
<i>You just lost Reagan's Former Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein today.</i>   Boo fucking hoo. Does he get to vote a couple million times to make up for all the PUMAs, conservatives who don't like McCain, evangelicals, special needs parents etc etc who are voting R because of Palin? What's that, he doesn't? Oh I guess that means that you just made a douchey fool out of yourself. A-fucking-gain. How sad for you.

 

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