December 31, 2013

1

*crickets*

 

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 31, 2013 04:26 AM (GjPnA)

2 Lonely in here.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:30 AM (cB3Ay)

3 "Fuck MSNBC" Word.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 04:30 AM (60Vyp)

4 Okay then.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 04:31 AM (EWsrI)

5 Okay, which one of you morons did this? http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/12/30/Man- Arrested-Running-Through-Bingo-Hall-With-Pants- Down-Yelling-Bingo There was a moron had a dong And "Bingo" was it's name-o B-I-N-G-O B-I-N-G-O B-I-N-G-O And "Bingo" was it's name-o

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 04:31 AM (KBvAm)

6 Woman Wins 157,000 Dollar Car On The Price Is Right And TPIR accountants commit hari-kari live on tv!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:33 AM (cB3Ay)

7 Ahh Holmes-Norton, The pedagogical "democrat idiot." So if people think the law has been repealed, I guess the millions of my tax dollars being spent advertising the exchanges are being wasted. Cool, Ms. Norton, let's cut that shit out of the budget!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 04:33 AM (GaqMa)

8 The problem with just saying fuck MSNBC is it allows that c**t to continue her job at the network.

She should be hounded off the air.

Make them live up to their supposed standards.


Posted by: Kreplach at December 31, 2013 04:34 AM (Xkr8I)

9 Father And Son Found Dead In Scuba Diving Accident..."Spivey was an experienced diver but his son was not certified. Neither were experienced in cave diving." Not to be callous, but that is just Darwinism at work. The father should have known better and he and his his boy paid for it.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 04:35 AM (60Vyp)

10 "Eleanor Holmes-Norton has an idea"...a phrase that's always an indicator of epic stupidity to follow.

Posted by: Stu-22 at December 31, 2013 04:36 AM (KbrNh)

11 The problem with just saying fuck MSNBC is it allows that c**t to continue her job at the network. She should be hounded off the air. Make them live up to their supposed standards. If it weren't for no standards, the left would have no standards at all.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:36 AM (cB3Ay)

12 Posted by: Kreplach at December 31, 2013 09:34 AM (Xkr8I) Let her stay. We just went through all that with Duck Dynasty. Better to paint her as a representative of the left and let her ignorance be out there for all to see. Mock and move on.

Posted by: AMDG at December 31, 2013 04:37 AM (t7OO0)

13 OK, I followed the link to the idjit in DC & found this:

The left’s barking seals will fabricate any excuse to earn their fish. Obamacare is a disaster from beginning to end.  A point I make with my new parody video:

A Day In the Life (under ObamaCare)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oo-JOikE-M

Yep. Maroons all the way....


Posted by: backhoe at December 31, 2013 04:38 AM (ULH4o)

14 melissa harris perry must be upset about madonna, tom cruise, charlize therone, angelina jolie, ty burrell, steven speilberg, jane fonda, hugh jackman, kristen davis, jillian michaels,michelle pfeiffer, mary louise parker billy crudup, sandra bullock, jolie fisher....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy 7th day of Christmas at December 31, 2013 04:38 AM (u8GsB)

15 Not to be callous, but that is just Darwinism at work. The father should have known better and he and his his boy paid for it. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 09:35 AM (60Vyp) No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at December 31, 2013 04:38 AM (Qev5V)

16 Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy 7th day of Christmas at December 31, 2013 09:38 AM (u8GsB) Nope. They're all part of her tribe.

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2013 04:39 AM (fWAjv)

17 Speaking of tax breaks, am I to understand that we can't deduct PMI anymore as Mortgage interest? Granted it was a stupid deduction (and likely contributed to people who bought more home than they could afford.) Oh wells, I prepaid my PMI anyway, meaning I had to carry it on my taxes over 84 months, so it's less than $500 that I can't deduct. I've got bigger problems .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 04:41 AM (GaqMa)

18 I hope I'm still allowed to guffaw at the global warming "research" ship, whose crew have discovered it gets cold in the Antarctic Circle.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 31, 2013 04:42 AM (QVuWn)

19
Activist singer-songwriter Ani DiFranco has canceled plans for a retreat at a former plantation near Baton Rouge after heated online protests about the venue.

Three days and four nights of songwriting and performance workshops had been scheduled in late June at Nottoway Plantation and Resort in White Castle, about 20 miles out of Baton Rouge in Iberville Parish.

She explained that "when i found out it was to be held at a resort on a former plantation, I thought to myself, 'whoa'...."

And then another 1.300 words of hem wringing.

http://tinyurl.com/n2fzbmp

Also:

The retreat, priced at $1,100 for tent campers and up to $2,000 per person for those staying in the resort...

Smash capitalism -- right after you hit the vegan breakfast buffet.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 04:42 AM (kdS6q)

20 Circumcision Goes Wrong Just the tip.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:43 AM (cB3Ay)

21 Seems to me that top ten list of write offs wasn't all that.

I think we could do with more write offs like those to be rescinded.

In fact, I would say that looking at them, they mostly look like handouts to particular constituents and as such should never have been allowed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:43 AM (LSDdO)

22 I hope I'm still allowed to guffaw at the global warming "research" ship, whose crew have discovered it gets cold in the Antarctic Circle.

If laughing at them is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 31, 2013 04:43 AM (nMYaa)

23 Obviously guys, the whole global warming crew snafu is the official cover-up for a shape-shifting alien getting loose and killing everyone. They turned the helicopter away to quarantine it.

Posted by: AMDG at December 31, 2013 04:43 AM (t7OO0)

24 Seems that the 'honorable" Rep from DC is more Norton than Holmes. ……..in the Honeymooners vs Conan Doyle sense

Posted by: ontherocks at December 31, 2013 04:44 AM (5tSu+)

25 What fresh hell is Barky dreaming of today I wonder.

Posted by: Hop Sing, cook and cattle rustler, babysitter and bottle washer. at December 31, 2013 04:45 AM (nieyS)

26

8:"Make them live up to their supposed standards."

 

Rayciss.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 04:45 AM (f6ZLT)

27 In fact, I would say that looking at them, they mostly look like handouts to particular constituents and as such should never have been allowed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 09:43 AM (LSDdO)



Comrade, you are not supposed to notice things like that.



Remember when individual serfs were able to deduct state sales tax on the federal form.  Good times.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 04:45 AM (o3MSL)

28 Sorry I am with Crotchety Old Jarhead, this nation would be far better off if people once again understood that stupidity and idiocy are their own rewards.

Life is risk, and just because you understand "a" of an activity does not mean you get a risk-free stab at "b" in an activity....

sympathy for the family.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 04:46 AM (TE35l)

29 No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it.

Are you NEW?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:46 AM (LSDdO)

30 Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 31, 2013 09:43 AM (nMYaa) I'm laughing at their increasingly contrived explanation. Their current line of BS is: "we're stuck in ice from an iceberg that melted and broke up, and all the ice is just floating around where we happen to be! It's local ice!" The dudes over at WAWT beat that in 30 seconds.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 04:46 AM (GaqMa)

31

She explained that "when i found out it was to be held at a resort on a former plantation, I thought to myself, 'whoa'...."

 

Truly deep thinking, that.  Worthy of a Kant.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 04:46 AM (zF6Iw)

32

15:"No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it."

 

I don't think the word asshole means what you think it means. Seems like a textbook case of Darwinism. 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 04:47 AM (OJn3e)

33 29 Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 09:46 AM (LSDdO)

"and improved"....

venom is our sugar and bittery lemon is our water....

when life hands you idiocy make lemonade.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 04:47 AM (TE35l)

34 I was going to say I bet that thing in Japan has tentacles before I clicked on it. Then I clicked on it. Yup. At some point, there will be tentacles. Quelle surprise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 04:47 AM (VtjlW)

35 Btw, some Republican staffers reading this could do worse than to contact Joe Vargas of the AngryJoeShow, and to see if there is some legislative solution to DMCA copyright abuse. Showing clips of gameplay in context of a review is fair use; cannot be anything other than fair use. Want the youth vote back? Want to make friends among the techies? Want to put some of those cities in Oregon, Washington, Colorado back in play? Do that shit.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 31, 2013 04:48 AM (QVuWn)

36 I guess the Romneys should have made the baby sit in the back.

Posted by: huerfano at December 31, 2013 04:49 AM (bAGA/)

37 1,000 Classic Console Games Available Online Free It's not the same without the original hardware.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 04:49 AM (MMC8r)

38 Alright, I'm going to defend the Japanese on hiring the homeless to help clean up Fukushima. Reuters makes it sound like a bad thing, but here's the deal- The homeless get work, meals, shelter, and quite frankly, some meaning in their lives by honest labor and helping out their country. A great job? Nope. But an honorable job nonetheless. I wish we'd do the same with our homeless and welfare leeches. Maybe build that fence on the border that never gets built.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 04:49 AM (KBvAm)

39 30 tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 09:46 AM (GaqMa)

right...

"global climate disruption"

of course coincidentally they are all like Charlie Brown esq being followed by his own rain cloud....

the ice is chasing them

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 04:49 AM (TE35l)

40 MSNBC needs a weekly show called 'The Apology Hour.' Alec Baldwin can host.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 04:50 AM (MMC8r)

41 15>> "No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it." Sorry to disagree with you but a simple statement of fact is not callous. What IS shockingly callous was the father's absolute disregard for diving protocol and the safety/well being of his son. Even if the boy went into the cave first as a matter of curiosity, the father should have briefed the boy beforehand against that kind of excursion and the father should have been at the side of the boy within arms reach from the time they descended to the time they surfaced. I have no tolerance or pity for people who hurt kids or do something stupid that results in kids getting injured or killed.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 04:50 AM (60Vyp)

42 I was going to say I bet that thing in Japan has tentacles before I clicked on it. Then I clicked on it. Yup. At some point, there will be tentacles. Rule 34?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:51 AM (cB3Ay)

43 >>when life hands you idiocy make lemonade. Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 09:47 AM (TE35l) ….too bad we can't fuel our engines with lemonade. The Federal Gubmint could go from worthless to being our single largest energy asset overnight.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 31, 2013 04:52 AM (5tSu+)

44 Whoa!!!

Crotchety Old Jarhead being, well....crotchety

Imagine that.

For the record, I share pretty much the same sentiment.


Prayers for the family aside.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2013 04:52 AM (teMpq)

45 Not to be callous, but that is just Darwinism at work. The father should have known better and he and his his boy paid for it. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 09:35 AM (60Vyp) The implication being that the father was too stupid to live rather than that he simply misjudged the situation. I do not know all the specifics of this case, but I would lean towards an error in judgement before I assumed a genetic component of stupidity.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 04:52 AM (bb5+k)

46
Ummmm . . . ..  I may be mistaken here.... but I seem to recall that Melissa Harris-Perry's  own Mother is....... white.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 31, 2013 04:53 AM (nELVU)

47 Alright, I'm going to defend the Japanese on hiring the homeless to help clean up Fukushima. Reuters makes it sound like a bad thing, but here's the deal- The homeless get work, meals, shelter, and quite frankly, some meaning in their lives by honest labor and helping out their country. A great job? Nope. But an honorable job nonetheless. I bet they get glowing job reports.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 04:53 AM (cB3Ay)

48 Gotta hand it to the Japs for being able to stomach so many foods that are slimey, sticky, tentacly and smell bad. And most all at the same time.

What bothers me is that someone once thought those dishes up and said "This should taste good".

I mean the Scots have Haggis but that's an outlier. Japs eat stuff that could have parasites because they DON'T COOK IT!!!1!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:54 AM (LSDdO)

49 Ummmm . . . .. I may be mistaken here.... but I seem to recall that Melissa Harris-Perry's own Mother is....... white.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 31, 2013 09:53 AM (nELVU)

 

I bet there's all kinds of conflicting self-and-mommy hatred going on. 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 04:54 AM (DrWcr)

50 43 ontherocks at December 31, 2013 09:52 AM (5tSu+)

It seems to me that if Hopium and Unicorn farts are the energy of the future we should put a tube rather than Reggie Love's manhood up the Royal Posterior and the entire BosWash Megalopolis could be powered at a minimum....

Be a rebel get off the grid.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 04:54 AM (TE35l)

51 Good morning, Daywalkers. It's been rather nice seeing you all over vacation. It'll be strange when school starts up again.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 04:54 AM (N/cFh)

52 "I wish we'd do the same with our homeless and welfare leeches.

Maybe build that fence on the border that never gets built."

Potential growth industry, using arrested illegal aliens..

And Irony.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 31, 2013 04:55 AM (teMpq)

53 I mean the Scots have Haggis but that's an outlier. Japs eat stuff that could have parasites because they DON'T COOK IT!!!1!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 09:54 AM (LSDdO)

 

At least haggis is cooked...

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 04:55 AM (DrWcr)

54 And AtC, points out another benefit to the japanese homeless working at Fukushima- Tentacles! Who among us hasn't wanted to have a few tentacles when caught in the dilemma of wanting to eat that delicious BLT, drink that ice cold beer, fap, and surf the net ALL. AT. THE. SAME. TIME.?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 04:55 AM (KBvAm)

55 Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 09:52 AM (bb5+k)

This error in judgment got passed along to the next generation.

I think that qualifies as genetic stupidity.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:55 AM (LSDdO)

56 Morning all.... MHP has issued an apology.... http://tinyurl.com/q77wgn5

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 31, 2013 04:55 AM (bCEmE)

57 I'd hit DiFranco harder if not for personal reasons. I know the family which pretty much owns White Castle, LA, and I think the patriarch and his heir are huge assholes.

Posted by: Brandon in Baton Rouge at December 31, 2013 04:56 AM (4eDvT)

58 47>> "I bet they get glowing job reports." I am sure they will have bright futures.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 04:56 AM (60Vyp)

59 45 D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 09:52 AM (bb5+k)

See and not trying to be an asshole contrarian for its own sake I am of the opinion that to be truly dangerous a person must have "some knowledge" of a field because total ignorance usually means you have at some level a raw respect for a task...

had they both been novices likely no incident, had they both been skilled likely no incident but the mix of an artificially emboldened novice coupled with an apprentice's knowledge led to tragedy...


Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 04:56 AM (TE35l)

60 Pretty much guaranteed that everyone on that MSNBC panel thinks that baby would have been better off aborted than being raised by Republicans.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at December 31, 2013 04:56 AM (OPg+h)

61 The homeless get work, meals, shelter, and quite frankly, some meaning in their lives by honest labor and helping out their country. A great job? Nope. But an honorable job nonetheless. I wish we'd do the same with our homeless and welfare leeches. Maybe build that fence on the border that never gets built. Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 09:49 AM (KBvAm) Agree. This is a no brainer. Requiring handout recipients to do some sort of work is best for them, and best for society. Even better when it is meaningful work.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 04:57 AM (bb5+k)

62
Melissa is correct, and I have reliable information from a source I'm unable to disclose, that Governor Romney made the black baby ride atop the car in the animal carrier with the dog.  Truth!

Posted by: Martin "The Truth" Bashir at December 31, 2013 04:57 AM (pJF+c)

63 Posted by: huerfano at December 31, 2013 09:49 AM (bAGA/)

OR put him on top of the station wagon with the dog.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 04:57 AM (LSDdO)

64 Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 09:52 AM (bb5+k) There's a quote from the rescue diver who knew the guy where he says he told them one day they'd call him to pull the man out of the water. Tragic though it is, that more than implies a certain recklessness on behalf of the father.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 04:58 AM (GaqMa)

65

45: "I do not know all the specifics of this case, but I would lean towards an error in judgement before I assumed a genetic component of stupidity."

 

Walking through Compton while wearing a Mr. T neckalce set is an error of judgement.

 

Diving in a cave with an uncertied diver is plain stupid. Diving in clear open water is dangerous enough without compunding the risk with unnecessary foolishness. Dad was certified. he knew those risks, but ignored them.

 

Some errors are self-correcting. This is life. This used to be known. 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 04:58 AM (OJn3e)

66 BINDERS full of black babies.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 04:58 AM (MMC8r)

67 10 "Eleanor Holmes-Norton has an idea"...a phrase that's always an indicator of epic stupidity to follow.

Want something scary to think about?  Imagine her and Hank Johnson breeding.  Thank goodness they're both too old.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at December 31, 2013 04:58 AM (luhCM)

68 >>Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 09:54 AM (TE35l) Congrats, you just single handedly melted 3 NSA Transformers, a server, and half of Utah

Posted by: ontherocks at December 31, 2013 04:58 AM (5tSu+)

69

MHP has issued an apology....

 

As phony as her dreadlocks.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 04:59 AM (zF6Iw)

70
No, you were definitely callous.
Posted by: Bean Pies



[Another diver] said their dive computers and air gauges indicated both had descended to 233 feet and that they had run out of air — Sanchez first, apparently, because his father had deployed a long breathing hose that allowed his son to breath from his tank.

Brooks speculated that they were racing to get back to their spare "safe" tanks placed at about 130 feet and nearly made it. Spivey's body came to rest next to those tanks.

That didn't mean they would have been home free. Because of the depth they'd reached, the pair would have needed about an hour to decompress, rising slowly enough so the air didn't form bubbles in their blood. They didn't appear to have adequate air in their tanks for that process, Brooks said.

Also, diving to that depth requires a mixture in which helium replaces some of the nitrogen in the air. That helps minimize the narcotic effect of nitrogen that gets stronger at depths beyond about 100 feet. Brooks said Spivey and his son were using simple compressed air.

http://tinyurl.com/p83hz67



So, Poppa made every single error possible by not respecting the danger inherent in what he was doing, and killed himself and his kid.

Callous? Objective.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 04:59 AM (kdS6q)

71 62 and 63

Now that there's just serendipity.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:01 AM (LSDdO)

72 68 ontherocks at December 31, 2013 09:58 AM (5tSu+)

I humbly accept your praise, as I said to a degree my crypticism is a work of art.

I just got a point across that the NSA sniffer booleans will never decipher.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:01 AM (TE35l)

73 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 09:59 AM (zF6Iw)

As I said in previous thread, but bears repeating:

MHP's only mistake was saying in public what she truly believes in private.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 05:01 AM (o3MSL)

74 Does Eleanor think that everyone in America ignored the umpteen speeches Barry gave where he said he'd never, never allow 404care to be repealed while he is president?

Posted by: huerfano at December 31, 2013 05:02 AM (bAGA/)

75 Last dump of the year. 

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 05:03 AM (P6QsQ)

76 "Dem ebil Repooblican'ts hab dun dun it agin."

Too much?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:03 AM (LSDdO)

77 So, Poppa made every single error possible by not respecting the danger inherent in what he was doing, and killed himself and his kid. Callous? Objective. Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (cB3Ay)

78 Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 10:03 AM (P6QsQ)

I still have hopes for one more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (LSDdO)

79 Posted by: huerfano at December 31, 2013 10:02 AM (bAGA/)

The Dem process is "Listen to what I say, don't remember what I do!". 


Unfortunately, it seems to work!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (o3MSL)

80 "Ten Years of @AceofSpadesHQ, with Integrity Like Paul F***ing Anka! " Wandered over to theothermccain.com and found a fuckin' nice post about Ace's 10-year anniversary at the top of the blog. Somebody probably mentioned this already, probably overnight, but it was news to me. "The other" is Robert Stacy McC, not MegaMountains McC.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (a5ljo)

81 Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 09:49 AM (KBvAm) I think I might try to use this story in the class I'm TA-ing this spring. We discuss research ethics and paying healthy subjects to get injected with all sorts of drugs. When someone says "we pay people all the time for dangerous work." I'm going to whip out this story and say "How do you feel about this?" When they go "that's awful!" I'm going to say "great, you're being inconsistent, find a way to pull that contradiction together." Then watch their heads explode. (FWIW, I stopped caring about paying subjects a while ago. I just wish we'd admit that drug development and such is based on a pool of people with economic needs, rather than pretending it's some sort of altruistic endeavor or that money isn't a benefit.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:04 AM (GaqMa)

82 This error in judgment got passed along to the next generation. I think that qualifies as genetic stupidity. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 09:55 AM (LSDdO) The man's son died. There is no next generation unless he had other children. Again, I see no evidence that the man's death was the result of genetic stupidity as opposed to ignorance of the nature of the danger he was in. You might argue that that ignorance is in itself evidence of genetic stupidity, but I will argue that the danger was not obvious and that had he picked a different time to go on his excursion, he might very well have avoided his fate.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:05 AM (bb5+k)

83 Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:04 AM (cB3Ay)


And you still need to be aware of the risks even then!

Posted by: Michael Douglas at December 31, 2013 05:05 AM (o3MSL)

84 Melissa is correct, and I have reliable information from a source I'm unable to disclose, that Governor Romney made the black baby ride atop the car in the animal carrier with the dog. Truth!

Posted by: Martin "The Truth" Bashir at December 31, 2013 09:57 AM (pJF+c)

 

I'd still shit in all their mouths.

Posted by: Martin Bashir at December 31, 2013 05:06 AM (DrWcr)

85 Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

Lighten up D

And his Son IS the next generation.

So I'm right, you're wrong. I win.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:06 AM (LSDdO)

86 Rule 34? Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 09:51 AM (cB3Ay) Nah, this falls under Because Japan.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:06 AM (VtjlW)

87

77:"Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving."

 

As a load master on my plane found out one trip to Thailand, this is not always the safer option.

 

Gargling an antibiotic cocktail for seven days is no way to spend a 14 day channel run.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 05:07 AM (/qzu7)

88

>>[Another diver] said their dive computers and air gauges indicated both had descended to 233 feet and that they had run out of air — Sanchez first, apparently, because his father had deployed a long breathing hose that allowed his son to breath from his tank.
.

.

.233 Feet?  Insane.  Recreational divers using regular compressed air have a bottom limit of ~130-160 feet and you only have about 5 minutes bottom time with the required decompression stops on the way back up.  His recklessness killed them both.

Posted by: Registered Voter at December 31, 2013 05:07 AM (MZGhy)

89 My last doodle of the year I was going to go for something apolitical & mushy, but instead ended up mocking Der SCoaMF waving g'bye to 2013 for me. http://mindfulwebworks.com/doodles/wave-goodbye-to-the-old-year - My TL;DR end of year version of this comment dropped at butt end of last thread: http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=346118#c21590825 - Many thanks for all the news posts, BenK. Have a prosperous 2014!

Posted by: mindful webworker - HAPPY NEW YEAR! at December 31, 2013 05:07 AM (6B4ha)

90 Remember the old saying:

"who (or what) was there before you?"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:08 AM (LSDdO)

91 had they both been novices likely no incident, had they both been skilled likely no incident but the mix of an artificially emboldened novice coupled with an apprentice's knowledge led to tragedy... Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 09:56 AM (TE35l) A "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing. This sums it up exactly, and who among us has not done something similarly foolish? Taking some risks is part of being male, I think. Especially when we are wanting to show off.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:08 AM (bb5+k)

92 "Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving."

*swoons*

Posted by: Ellen at December 31, 2013 05:08 AM (teMpq)

93 59>> Sven1077, I am a certified Rescue Diver and a Dive Master and I am here to tell you that EVERY certification organization teaches new divers to stay out of 'overhead' conditions. Cave and Wreck Diving are specialties for a reason, not just so the organization can extract additional monies for a new card and a patch. Having worked in the pool and in the lakes and in the oceans with students and newly qualified divers for many years, I'll just say unequivocally that a diver with an unqualified buddy has a solemn responsibility for that buddy's safety and well being. That accident is one that should never have happened.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 05:08 AM (60Vyp)

94 Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:04 AM (cB3Ay) I always wondered how those cruise excursions that said "no diving experience necessary!" didn't end badly. Then I saw one up close...while I was snorkeling. They didn't get any lower than I did surface diving with a snorkel. I was swimming next to them for a bit. And I'm not exactly some extreme surface diver, I was down maybe 20 feet, MAYBE, probably less than that. I guess it's a benefit that you don't have to come up for air, but considering I paid $5 for the snorkel, and they paid over $100 for the "diving excursion" I'm not sure it was a great trade. (This was in Cozumel, where all the beauty is surprisingly close to the ocean surface.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:08 AM (GaqMa)

95

Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving.

 

Better think again, bro.

Posted by: Michael Douglas at December 31, 2013 05:09 AM (zF6Iw)

96 88 Registered Voter at December 31, 2013 10:07 AM (MZGhy)

Yup, RESPECT for your tools, the tasks you face, and your own luck/competence/judgement....

I have a lot of respect for the people who knew what they were doing and the limits and risk window like Kittinger, Knievel, Yeager, etc etc than people who simply say "hold my beer and watch this"...


Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:09 AM (TE35l)

97 Posted by: Registered Voter at December 31, 2013 10:07 AM (MZGhy)

Has anyone seen/heard the spouse/mom for these guys?

Maybe it was the only way they could get away.


(see. Now THAT was callous.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:09 AM (LSDdO)

98 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 10:04 AM (GaqMa) That should be fun. Young heads full of mush are the 'Splodeiest.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 05:10 AM (KBvAm)

99 Sorry for the family, but this father violated almost every rule of sane diving (all of which he should have known before he ever put on his first tank), and he and his son paid for it.


Darwin is a stone cold bitch!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 05:10 AM (o3MSL)

100
I will argue that the danger was not obvious
Posted by: D-Lamp



Knowing the depth limits for your training, equipment, air and mixture is Diving 101 stuff.  No responsible diver, especially one leading a less experienced diver, would overdive.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 05:11 AM (kdS6q)

101 All of the low-end free TV channels around here have been broadcasting commercials "it's the law" for near on two years now.

Those are poor, LIV stations.

Yeah.

Because she can lie so willingly and maliciously--and get away with it!--is why I am firmly of the belief that the national GOP is perfectly happy being the #2 party on America.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 05:11 AM (VjL9S)

102 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 10:04 AM (GaqMa) --- I do not have economic need and volunteer for studies often (Hopkins and University of MD). I am healthy and drug-free and reliable. I know this is a difficult thing to find in the regular volunteers and I'm alleviating a little of the stress on the researchers. I never, ever do untested or unsafe drugs or anything that would endanger me. I've done behavioral and off-book use meds (one was Omalizumab, testing for its efficacy against cat allergies. MAGIC). I live in Baltimore(or-less) because of Hopkins. Dave's dad came here after medical school to work at Kennedy Krieger, part of the Hopkins system. For six months. In 1968. They forgot to leave.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:11 AM (N/cFh)

103 Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 10:08 AM (bb5+k)

No. I'm sorry. This wasn't "taking a risk".

The MATHEMATICS were against them.

Simple calculations would have shown them that they wouldn't have enough air to return.

So this was GENETIC STUPIDITY. Passed from Father to Son.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:12 AM (LSDdO)

104 Tragic though it is, that more than implies a certain recklessness on behalf of the father. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 09:58 AM (GaqMa) Looking through another man's eyes yields sufficient insight to support the claim that the man may have been a victim of Darwinism rather than just an unlucky fellow. If he had been warned before of his recklessness, then I would believe his death may very well be the result of his foolish obstinance.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:12 AM (bb5+k)

105

82: "Again, I see no evidence that the man's death was the result of genetic stupidity as opposed to ignorance of the nature of the danger he was in."

 

I must repsectfully call this bullshit. Dad was certified. He most certainly knew the risks and dangers. He chose to ignore them.

 

Initial open water training is chock full of lists of what you DON'T do. 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 05:12 AM (LJpVo)

106 from the link to ten tax breask we'll miss:

"Credit for energy efficient appliances, which will save the government $700 million over the next 10 years."

liberal thinking at it's best: making people pay more in taxes will save the government money.

Posted by: Mallfly at December 31, 2013 05:12 AM (bJm7W)

107 New Year's Eve hymn, sung by the great Tennessee Ernie Ford:



Oh God, our help in ages past -
Our hope for years to come...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZsJu-jkuMI

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 05:13 AM (P6QsQ)

108 I did not read the top 25 list on body counts yet but if they don't have Where Eagles Dare its a defective list. Nothing like a grease gun with a 5000 bullet capacity.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 31, 2013 05:13 AM (85x54)

109 liberal thinking at it's best: making people pay more in taxes will save the government money.

Posted by: Mallfly at December 31, 2013 10:12 AM (bJm7W)


Why it's almost like the liberals control the very language we try to use to discuss topics rationally!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 31, 2013 05:14 AM (o3MSL)

110 1,000 Classic Console Games Available Online Free Wow. The emulation on the one I tried was so slow it was almost unplayable.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 05:14 AM (MMC8r)

111 94 (This was in Cozumel, where all the beauty is surprisingly close to the ocean surface.) Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 10:08 AM (GaqMa) --- The water is so clear you can see the bottom from the surface, so I don't know how much difference deep diving would make.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (N/cFh)

112 So, Poppa made every single error possible by not respecting the danger inherent in what he was doing, and killed himself and his kid. Callous? Objective. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 09:59 AM (kdS6q) I withdraw my argument. The man does seem to be a fool.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (bb5+k)

113 Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 10:10 AM (KBvAm) Eh? I should have mentioned this a post-graduate class. The youngest people we have is the stray medical student. Having said that, they're all liberal indoctrinated to the core, so watching them deal with these odd contradictions that are ever-present in liberalism is usually a hilarious thing. I have to be careful though, I'm just a TA and I'm on a short leash as it were. Even though this contract ends in May I can't afford to be axed early (again.) At least this time my boss knows more about me and is well aware that I see myself as leashed.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (GaqMa)

114 93 CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 10:08 AM (60Vyp)

Nice I was unaware you had that skill, you could make cash if you mastered underwater engineering in all likelihood.

I have a layman's appreciation of the art, and I have snorkeled I would respect my limits enough not to go into a cave lightly if I ever pursued the hobby.

I have reloaded a "bit"...I am an avid marksman, I do not think my knowledge as a purchaser of ammunition means I am qualified to push the limits of a weapon's metallurgical limits by taking the SAAMI specs right to the edge on a weapon I feel I can't bear to lose.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (TE35l)

115 Tried to read that NRO link.

Reminds me why I am firmly in the "fuck NR and the horse they rode in on" camp.

Right from the get-go he accepts and repeats the leftist's characterization of Phil's  comments.

Fuck you, you bunch of naval-gazing, whining, vichy, pansy-ass bitches.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (VjL9S)

116 Truly deep thinking, that. Worthy of a Kant.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 09:46 AM (zF6Iw)


Methinks you spelled a word wrong there, Chief.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2013 05:15 AM (60Q+L)

117 Gingy, And here I thought Omalizumab was simply one of the most terrifying of the Old Ones. It's good to hear that at least he'll cure your cat allergies before he eats your soul.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 05:16 AM (KBvAm)

118 The ocean is about as forgiving as outer space. Except with more things that want to eat you. Going cave exploring on dry land with an unqualified person, adult or child, is reckless and stupid. You can still end up dead quite easily. Doing so underwater, which in and of itself is merciless, is foodhardly to the point of imbecility.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at December 31, 2013 05:17 AM (nND1S)

119

Pro tip: Unless you are a trained professional, stick to muff diving.

 

 

Watch out for the big snappers.  They bite.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 31, 2013 05:17 AM (BAS5M)

120 117 Gingy, And here I thought Omalizumab was simply one of the most terrifying of the Old Ones. It's good to hear that at least he'll cure your cat allergies before he eats your soul. Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 10:16 AM (KBvAm) --- I'm frankly more afraid of cthulhu. Have you seen how he reacts when I'm threatened?

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:17 AM (N/cFh)

121 I must repsectfully call this bullshit. Dad was certified.

Yea, but the guy who finishes last in his class at the worst medical school in the country is still called "doctor".

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 31, 2013 05:18 AM (70Unk)

122 New Year's Resolution:


Eliminate the words "race" and "racist" from my hearing and seeing.  I refuse to play this game anymore.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 05:18 AM (P6QsQ)

123 Gingy,

And here I thought Omalizumab was simply one of the most terrifying of the Old Ones.

It's good to hear that at least he'll cure your cat allergies before he eats your soul.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 31, 2013 10:16 AM (KBvAm)

 

Omalizumab is my bitch.

Posted by: Nyarlathotep at December 31, 2013 05:18 AM (DrWcr)

124 I will argue that the danger was not obvious Posted by: D-Lamp Cave diving is dangerous like Skydiving is dangerous. Preparation and experience is paramount.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 31, 2013 05:18 AM (8xOfO)

125 "The sad thing is, I told him, 'One night they’re going to call me to come get you,"' Brooks, who worked in their recovery effort, said. Chilling. I know somebody like that. He's no longer a close friend because of it. He never grew out of youthful reckless stupidity.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 05:18 AM (V3kRK)

126 I'll admit, cave diving seems risky to me, but taking an uncertified diver seems nuts. To several-hundred foot depths, even moreso.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 05:19 AM (MMC8r)

127 Count me among those who figure that the diving deaths were culpable stupidity. Of apparently long standing.

Life is an intelligence test. Many fail it.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 31, 2013 05:19 AM (gqT4g)

128 That dumb list doesn't include 13 Assassins? WTF?!

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 05:19 AM (3ZtZW)

129 A sign near the entrance to the cave reads: "Cave diving in this area is extremely dangerous - even life threatening!! Do not dive unless you are a certified cave diver!!"

"According to the Hernando County Sheriff’s Office, Spivey was a certified diver; however, he was not a certified cave diver. Sanchez was not a certified diver."

Here's a link to a story that has a photo of the warning signs scattered around the site.

http://tinyurl.com/pxxhgec  (that's CBS Tampa Bay)

Can we agree that the Father ignored the warnings, exceeded his expertise, took an inexperienced diver along and failed to follow numerous check lists that divers are taught (and he was a certified diver but not a certified cave diver) before certification?

I submit that that's a STUPID act, sir.

(And genetic because he passed his stupidity on to his son. Directly.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:20 AM (LSDdO)

130 Having worked in the pool and in the lakes and in the oceans with students and newly qualified divers for many years, I'll just say unequivocally that a diver with an unqualified buddy has a solemn responsibility for that buddy's safety and well being. That accident is one that should never have happened. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 10:08 AM (60Vyp) I do not dive but I grew up with people who did. A good friend of the family is a diving instructor, has pretty much every certification there is, been there done that. He flatly refuses to take anyone cave diving who doesn't have extensive experience. Why? Because it's too dangerous.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:20 AM (VtjlW)

131 In the realm of adoption there is a whole of lot hypocrisy and conflicting standards.  If a gay couple adopts a Black baby, then it is so wonderful, is it not, that the wee one got parents to care for it and keep it out of the foster care system?  However, if an affluent White heterosexual couple adopts a Black baby--it's a bad thing--they don't love the baby--it's just a token--because that couple is both Religious and Republican, so no good can come from them loving a child and keeping it out of the foster care system.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at December 31, 2013 05:20 AM (kXoT0)

132 The ocean is about as forgiving as outer space. Except with more things that want to eat you. Saw a quote recently: "From the moment you put a foot in the ocean, you are PART of the food chain, NOT the top of the food chain".

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:21 AM (cB3Ay)

133 111>> Gingy, in Coz the best diving is between 40 and 70 feet. There are lots of cool things to see at lower depths especially when diving the coral heads and swim-throughs on the Columbia and San Francisco reefs, but the variety of species, and the color you see at at the shallower depths surpass the stuff you see at depth. Not to mention the dive time is longer due to slower air consumption.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 05:21 AM (60Vyp)

134 You have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at December 31, 2013 05:22 AM (Pr6hk)

135 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 10:12 AM (LSDdO) Let me change my argument to De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:23 AM (bb5+k)

136 I submit that that's a STUPID act, sir. (And genetic because he passed his stupidity on to his son. Directly.) The act may have been stupid, but that doesn't mean that he was, nor does it mean that his son was. There is a difference between not having the intellectual capacity to do something, and being overconfident or reckless. In the case of his son, he may have simply trusted his father's expertise too much.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 05:23 AM (VUDJK)

137 Eh, calling the father a reckless idiot is one thing. But the kid was a 15 year-old who trusted his father, a certified diver. That's hardly evidence of irredeemable stupidity. Calling it "Darwinism at work" implies that we're better off without the kid as well, and we really couldn't know that.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 05:23 AM (5JhS+)

138 Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:11 AM (N/cFh) Eh, I speak in broad generalizations. I'm not Rand, I don't throw out the possibility of altruism. Actually when you break down a "Generic" study population (of healthy individuals) you get 3 basic types (3.5 actually one is a subtype.) 1) People with economic needs (or wants.) This is the subtype one. You get a mix of people who either need or want money but can't come by it easily. The former is often unemployed/underemployed. The latter is often a college student looking for beer money. 2) altruistic individuals. (Self-explanatory) 3) Bored housewives. I'm not making that up or intending to be dismissive. Several studies found a high percentage of housewives who described themselves as "looking for something to do" Research provided a nice mix of "pass the time" and "earn an little extra spending cash." But they were significantly different from 1 or 2 (being a sort of blend) that they got their own category. But especially in FDA approval studies there are a high number of overnight or multiday stays that tend to recruit people specifically from group 1. Studies on sick individuals tend to have entirely different populations depending on what's actually being studied. Cancer drugs tend to recruit wealthier individuals, (because they're seen as a last resort and the wealthy can travel to the medical centers) Other drug trials actually very depending on a host of factors. Some recruit mixed, some mostly wealthy, some mostly poor who are actually in it for the free "treatment."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:24 AM (GaqMa)

139

121:"Yea, but the guy who finishes last in his class at the worst medical school in the country is still called "doctor"."

 

True enough. But the guy who finished last in med school learned enough to know that he shouldn't be doing remote neurosurgery when he hasn't even finished his basic internship.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 05:24 AM (/qzu7)

140 From the last thread: 

86 Crony capitalism Vic. It's an "investment" when the money goes to a pal. It's a "loophole" when the money goes to an enemy.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 07:40 AM (V70Uh)


In all seriousness, if a candidate can gather up enough of these little gems and then use them in speeches and debates, I think he/she would have a shot at making a good many low info voters become somewhat info voters.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (olDqf)



That is the type of zinger that Reagan used against Dhimmi Carter and Mondale and they never had a retort for it as RR just peeled off the LIVs in large numbers.  There's a lesson there for Rove and Top Men; one which they always fail to understand.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 31, 2013 05:24 AM (n4eIH)

141 I would *never* adopt! You don't know anything about where that baby's been! It could be Lithuanian! *shudders*

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 05:24 AM (3ZtZW)

142 My mistakes have not killed me yet, I attribute this to luck.

Posted by: tmitsss at December 31, 2013 05:24 AM (7Rx8v)

143 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at December 31, 2013 10:20 AM (kXoT0) Hypocrisy hurts or is shameful only if the one accused of hypocrisy allows it to hurt or be shameful. Lefties don't have that reciprocation circuit that the rest of us are forced to struggle with. So far as they're concerned, rules are for other people and not for them.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 05:25 AM (V3kRK)

144

3) Bored housewives.

I'm not making that up or intending to be dismissive. Several studies found a high percentage of housewives who described themselves as "looking for something to do"

 

Unfortunately, that "something to do" ends up being divorcing their husbands, taking their house, their money, their kids, and half their stuff. 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 05:25 AM (DrWcr)

145 I would *never* adopt! You don't know anything about where that baby's been! It could be Lithuanian! *shudders* Or Methodist or Episcopalian!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:26 AM (cB3Ay)

146

Posted by: John McCain at December 31, 2013 10:22 AM (Pr6hk)

 

Go blow a diseased goat, you  feculant  nicklefucking  Dem-felcher.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 05:26 AM (zF6Iw)

147 there's a bit about the mayor of NY wanting to do away with the horse-drawn carriages.

Heh.

another case of "we love socialism, we just never thought it would affect us" about to come in to play.

In a lot more areas, too.

See, socialism can zombie on so long as there is a large middle class to leach from.

But, there are no more middle class in NY--it's the exact "income inequality" they've projected on everyone else but at ten-times that level right there in their own little hell-hole.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 05:27 AM (VjL9S)

148 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 10:20 AM (LSDdO) I concede the point. It was foolhardy to take his son on such an excursion, and it was foolhardy for him to even try it by himself.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:27 AM (bb5+k)

149 Tweet Of The Day Aaaand...Iowahawk strikes again. Melitha-Harrith Thpeech-Impediment should be ashamed of herself. But she won't. Progs klnow no shame.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 05:28 AM (7ObY1)

150 Simple calculations would have shown them that they wouldn't have enough air to return.

So this was GENETIC STUPIDITY. Passed from Father to Son.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 10:12 AM (LSDdO)

 

 

----------------------------------

 

 

Dive tables. How do they work?

 

This guy screwed up from the word go. 233 feet down on straight air? Dumbassery. Fatal dumbassery.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at December 31, 2013 05:28 AM (u1jJP)

151 Bored housewives. I'm not making that up or intending to be dismissive. Several studies found a high percentage of housewives who described themselves as "looking for something to do" Unfortunately, that "something to do" ends up being The pool boy, or the business partner, the milkman, the mailman, etc.....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:28 AM (cB3Ay)

152 If your father took you to the top of a double diamond black run on your third time skiing and said follow me down, I don't know how many sons would agree to follow.

Posted by: Roc Ingersol at December 31, 2013 05:28 AM (8xOfO)

153 Unfortunately, that "something to do" ends up being


The pool boy, or the business partner, the milkman, the mailman, etc.....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:28 AM (cB3Ay)

 

Yeah, that too.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 05:28 AM (DrWcr)

154

Anyone who's an experienced, certified recreational diver knows full well how dangerous cave diving is.  They also should know damned well that 233 feet is way too deep as well.  I consider myself a fairly experienced diver (although I haven't dived in years) and I don't recall ever going deeper than about 130-140 feet.

 

That guy knew better, and his horrible judgment got himself and his kid killed.

Posted by: radar at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (eNZFc)

155 I do not dive but I grew up with people who did. A good friend of the family is a diving instructor, has pretty much every certification there is, been there done that. He flatly refuses to take anyone cave diving who doesn't have extensive experience. Why? Because it's too dangerous.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 10:20 AM (VtjlW)


Agreed.  I worked with a guy who was big into cave diving.  He did it every weekend he could and spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on it.  When asked about the danger, he would just shrug and say, "I fully expect to die in a cave because my luck will have run out.  But, I won't care because I died doing what I love."  He quit that job to move closer to another part of the country for new caves to dive.   He had done all the ones he cared to in this part of America, most more than once.  I don't know if he was a case of Darwinism at work or just sheer adrenaline addiction.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (kXoT0)

156 I'll admit, cave diving seems risky to me, but taking an uncertified diver seems nuts. To several-hundred foot depths, even moreso.

Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 10:19 AM (MMC8r)

**********

Tell me about it.....

Posted by: Huma Abedin at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (32Ze2)

157 Posted by: tmitsss at December 31, 2013 10:24 AM (7Rx8v)

AMEN

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (LSDdO)

158 144 3) Bored housewives. I'm not making that up or intending to be dismissive. Several studies found a high percentage of housewives who described themselves as "looking for something to do" Unfortunately, that "something to do" ends up being divorcing their husbands, taking their house, their money, their kids, and half their stuff. Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 10:25 AM (DrWcr) --- I went to college. But I might do that other stuff if I get really bored.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (N/cFh)

159 Eh, calling the father a reckless idiot is one thing. But the kid was a 15 year-old who trusted his father, a certified diver. That's hardly evidence of irredeemable stupidity. Calling it "Darwinism at work" implies that we're better off without the kid as well, and we really couldn't know that. Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 10:23 AM (5JhS+) And this is my initial point as well. However, the father did do things that pass the boundaries of good sense, and it can be assumed that the son would likely have inherited these same tendencies. Reckless overconfidence got them both killed.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 31, 2013 05:29 AM (bb5+k)

160 Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 10:23 AM (5JhS+) Eh, IMHO, we're talking something more akin to social Darwinism than anything at this level. Although I'm one of those people who tends to think that humans have all but suspended true natural selection for ourselves. Rare cases may crop up, but for the most part....

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:30 AM (GaqMa)

161 Michael Schumacher spent umpteen miles zinging along in a Formula One race car at neck-snapping speed and made it out okay. Goes skiing with his kid, bonks his head on a rock, and now lies near death.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 05:30 AM (ZshNr)

162 That dumb list doesn't include 13 Assassins? WTF?! Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 10:19 AM (3ZtZW) That dumb list claims to be only visible onscreen bodies or deaths. That's how they are getting around including anything by Emmerich or any war movie. Hell, any of the super hero movies.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:30 AM (VtjlW)

163 Unfortunately, that "something to do" ends up being


The pool boy, or the business partner, the milkman, the mailman, etc.....

 

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:28 AM (cB3Ay)

 

Stacy's mom has got it going on.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 05:30 AM (zF6Iw)

164 Disgusting.

Sweeping Changes To The Army’s Tuition Assistance Program Beginning January 2014

http://tinyurl.com/ortblr9

Soldiers will be eligible for TA upon successful completion of 1 year of service, following completion of Initial Military Training (IMT).Soldiers are eligible for a post bachelor’s degree after 10 years of service. There is no 10 year requirement if TA was not used for the initial bachelor’s degree.Each year Soldiers are covered for up to 16 semester hours per year at the maximum rate of $250 per semester hour.


Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 05:31 AM (5ikDv)

165 Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:29 AM (N/cFh) We'll warn WeirdDave

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:31 AM (GaqMa)

166 Hey Sven, at one time I entertained the idea of commercial diving. To the point where I had researched several schools and developed a budget in order to pay for it. Man! The idea of diving in warm blue saltwater to weld and construct was enticing! Then I talked with a guy at school who had spent some time in the GOM doing commercial diving....in visibility 5'< and swirling fuel oil and hydraulic fluid to clean hulls...because that's what the nuggets do until they get a slot on an openwater team. Then along came the Corps and helicopters, thank God!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 05:33 AM (60Vyp)

167

164: "Disgusting."

 

Force shaping takes many forms. Expect a significant decrease in enlistments over four years.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 05:33 AM (OJn3e)

168 164 noone, really at December 31, 2013 10:31 AM (5ikDv)

Partially it is just reality catching up to the TA program....

I don't know a lot of soldiers who aren't flatbacking who are gapped the time for much more than 16 hours of coursework safely.

My opinion of course is that the entire endeavor is simply a way to fund the FSA supporting higher education system on DoD's dime.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:34 AM (TE35l)

169 Haven't counted Stalingrad or Cross of Iron

Posted by: Jean at December 31, 2013 05:34 AM (4JkHl)

170 I got scolded yesterday at Insty for saying the father was stupid for taking his non-certified son CAVE diving. Because apparently certification is a magic paper to some people.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 05:34 AM (Auy5s)

171 From the AM thread

Shackelton's team, back in 1917-ish, burned penguins for warmth. True story.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket


Wouldn't that set the TV on fire?
How do you keep them lit?
Don't they just run out and jump into the Antarctic?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 31, 2013 05:35 AM (DL2i+)

172 166 CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 10:33 AM (60Vyp)

sounds a lot like my hindisight appreciation of HazMat work...

we're all very eclectic beasts here.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:35 AM (TE35l)

173

>>>That dumb list claims to be only visible onscreen bodies or deaths. That's how they are getting around including anything by Emmerich or any war movie. Hell, any of the super hero movies.  

 

But 13 ASSASSINS !!1!

 

which is like total onscreen sword death crazy bloodbathiness but with subtitles

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 05:35 AM (3ZtZW)

174 Calling it "Darwinism at work" implies that we're better off without the kid as well, and we really couldn't know that.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 10:23 AM (5JhS+)

Darwinism doesn't speak to any benefits to the species as a whole that might arise from the death of an unfit individual. It simply states that the unfit are less likely to survive and breed.



In this case, Dad was clearly reckless. I'd say his negligence was such that it would be considered criminal, has he survived, and the kid not.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2013 05:35 AM (60Q+L)

175 Schumacher was skiing off the designated slopes. Similar to diving dad's recklessness.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 05:36 AM (Auy5s)

176 161 Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 10:30 AM (ZshNr)

Quite right.....

Sonny Bono was able to survive climbing Mt Cher for how many years and he met an untimely kinetic end....

expertise in area a does not preclude idiocy in area b...

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:37 AM (TE35l)

177 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 10:33 AM (60Vyp)

I used to go abalone diving on the North Coast of CA in sometimes 1' visibility. The trick was to extend your arm with the abalone iron pointing down so you didn't bang your head on the bottom.

The good thing about that visibility is that you never saw the great whites hunting the sea lions.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2013 05:38 AM (QFxY5)

178 expertise in area a does not preclude idiocy in area b...

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 10:37 AM (TE35l)

Bullshit.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 31, 2013 05:39 AM (QFxY5)

179

My SCUBA instructor for my first level was a cave diver   trainer.  He was called to recover bodies   in Florida and Mexico     that nobody else could get to.  It pissed him off to no end. 

Our first day of class, he put our gear around our tanks, strapped the weight belt to it, and threw it to the bottom of the 15 foot pool.  Then, he told us to dive in, and not come up until we had assembled the gear and put it on properly.     Every diver that passed his class has become advanced or a divemaster.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 05:39 AM (sBUAE)

180 #24

I think both names should be considered as coming from men famous for getting punched in the head a lot.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 31, 2013 05:39 AM (bPxS6)

181 Still, no one gets the snarky joke I was trying to make.

Genetic:
of or relating to genes or heredity.

Hereditary:
conferred by or based on inheritance.

Inheritance:
To receive from an ancestor

Ancestor:
a person from whom one is descended

so. TECHNICALLY he inherited this particular stupid act from his ancestor, his father.

GENETIC.

*if you have to explain a joke, either it wasn't too good or your audience is obtuse*

I'll go with not too good. OR obvious apparently.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:39 AM (LSDdO)

182 But 13 ASSASSINS !!1! which is like total onscreen sword death crazy bloodbathiness but with subtitles Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 10:35 AM (3ZtZW) That is a most cromulent point. Also now I know one of the things I'm watching tonight. Oh hey that brings up like the entirety of Hong Kong historical epics.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:39 AM (VtjlW)

183 Michael Schumacher spent umpteen miles zinging along in a Formula One race car at neck-snapping speed and made it out okay. Goes skiing with his kid, bonks his head on a rock, and now lies near death.

Amazing, isn't it?

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 31, 2013 05:41 AM (nMYaa)

184 178 Paul Krugman at December 31, 2013 10:39 AM (QFxY5)

Quite the contrary Krugaton ineptness in area A is often an indicator of ineptness in area B....

it's math baby

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:41 AM (TE35l)

185 Partially it is just reality catching up to the TA program....

Because there just are too few civil servant GS 13-15s in EPA, DOI, DOT etc. etc. making coffee and counting the hours until lunch at 120,000.00 per year.
 
We should, of course, begin by cutting education benefits to the <20k year buck private .


Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 05:41 AM (5ikDv)

186 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 10:33 AM (60Vyp)

Nothing in life is ever how you imagine it will be.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:42 AM (LSDdO)

187

Many Florida caves have padlocked gates, where a properly certified cave diver can get a    key.  That helps to keep out the untrained.     Unfortunately, there are hundreds of    caves in Florida, and many are accessible  to anyone who wants to tempt death.

 

I go into shipwrecks all of the time, and have helped to rescue lost divers, but I generally avoid caves.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 05:42 AM (sBUAE)

188 Nothing in life is ever how you imagine it will be. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (LSDdO) You want to make God laugh? Make plans for the future.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:42 AM (VtjlW)

189 185 noone, really at December 31, 2013 10:41 AM (5ikDv)

It is still technically the Yule...

I will grant you the gift of asking if you really want exposed to the depth of the pools of bile and rage I have at the GS-13+s and the inverted assfucking of the force?

Shall we open this box Pandora?

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:43 AM (TE35l)

190 Oh God. Dave is explaining the history of Green Lantern to me.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:43 AM (N/cFh)

191 Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 10:34 AM (TE35l) At $250/credit hour. Hardly.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:44 AM (GaqMa)

192 Sven, there's nothing technical about it. Christmas ends on Epiphany.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:45 AM (N/cFh)

193 Darwinism doesn't speak to any benefits to the species as a whole that might arise from the death of an unfit individual. It simply states that the unfit are less likely to survive and breed. The invocation of Darwin presumes that the mistake was due to genetic deficiencies, and assumes that all human behavior is a product of inheritance. That is a rather simplistic view that makes no allowance for social conditioning, personal experience, etc.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 05:45 AM (VUDJK)

194 190 my husband and son explained the history of DC vs. Marvel comics characters while we were eating Christmas dinner.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 05:45 AM (Auy5s)

195 But, I won't care because I died doing what I love. See, we discussed this earlier...unless the person enjoyed drowning and/or suffocating, this isn't entirely accurate...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 05:45 AM (naUcP)

196 >>> 18 I hope I'm still allowed to guffaw at the global warming "research" ship, whose crew have discovered it gets cold in the Antarctic Circle. To paraphrase, those clowns are a few pixels shy of flying to the sun at night.

Posted by: fluffy at December 31, 2013 05:45 AM (Ua6T/)

197 It's not the same without the original hardware. Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 09:49 AM (MMC8r) I did this some years ago with a downloaded C-64/128 emulator and a bunch of old Commodore games. Had to play the old Zak McKrakens again. They're still a blast but, in a way, you're right. Can't explain it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 31, 2013 05:46 AM (R1kbQ)

198 Life is what happens while you're making other plans.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:46 AM (LSDdO)

199 Shall we open this box Pandora? I thought the Airing of Grievances was Festivus...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 05:47 AM (naUcP)

200 192 Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (N/cFh)

How many people understand the season on that level anymore?

Most I know think the holiday ends tomorrow.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:47 AM (TE35l)

201 Life is what happens before you die.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 05:47 AM (Auy5s)

202 Life is what happens before you die.

Posted by: NCKate at December 31, 2013 10:47 AM (Auy5s)

 

True.  It also sucks 

Posted by: Insomniac at December 31, 2013 05:48 AM (DrWcr)

203 I thought the Airing of Grievances was Festivus... For the Rest of Us.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:48 AM (cB3Ay)

204 199 Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 10:47 AM (naUcP)

In the sense Hillary! suffers from an inverted cycle and is happy every 28 days I am a festivus celebrant for 363 days a year I'd suppose.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:49 AM (TE35l)

205 200 192 Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (N/cFh) How many people understand the season on that level anymore? Most I know think the holiday ends tomorrow. Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 10:47 AM (TE35l) --- Catholic, former professional church singer, granddaughter of former Catholic priest.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 05:49 AM (N/cFh)

206 Sven, there's nothing technical about it. Christmas ends on Epiphany. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (N/cFh) Maybe, but my Yard waste comes on Friday, so the tree is coming down Thursday evening so I don't have to deal with it next week

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 05:50 AM (GaqMa)

207

>>Oh hey that brings up like the entirety of Hong Kong historical epics.

 

I know!! Its like that list is all rayciss against the srant-eyes

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 05:51 AM (3ZtZW)

208 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 10:42 AM (sBUAE)

Ah yes....a guild.

That's smacks of the nanny state.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at December 31, 2013 05:51 AM (QFxY5)

209 out damned sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2013 05:52 AM (QFxY5)

210 Oh God. Dave is explaining the history of Green Lantern to me. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:43 AM (N/cFh) All of them? I am only laughing at your pain a little bit. Obligatory Green Lantern clip: http://youtu.be/r-i7WzCm4YI

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 05:52 AM (VtjlW)

211 205 Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:49 AM (N/cFh)

and as Ms10077 says a cute ginger to boot eh?

No, you are correct it is not technically a technicality but I do fear the critical mass of idiocy has been reached.

I recall the first time I was exposed to the mental health profession being told that insanity was failure to meet the moral and legal expectations of the majority.....

it always seemed to me a flawed paradigm, but it also meant if ever 50.0000000001% of a populace decided cannibalism was appropo the only logical answer was to grab a leg or run like hell.

I am preparing to run like hell.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:52 AM (TE35l)

212 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 10:50 AM (GaqMa)

They deliver yard waste in your town?

Maybe that's why they have budget problems....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2013 05:53 AM (QFxY5)

213

189:"Shall we open this box Pandora?"

 

Oh yeah? Well mine is bigger than yours....

 

My GS-13 boss is married to a retired E-9 who is now also a GS-12. After returning from the recent one week furlough (also known as a paid vacation to us NAF employees), she actually mentioned in our staff meeting that she hopes congress gets it together because she can't afford another furlough.

 

I'm a medically retired E-6 with a NAF job, and my wife doesn't work. And yet we seem to be doing ok.

 

Go figure.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 05:53 AM (v6cwT)

214
Shall we open this box Pandora?

The allegorical box just got emptied on my oldest sons head. Hence my sarcasm and bitterness.

My statement was meant as an ironic example, fueled by all too personal, current experience.

I know your feelings on the subject, sven, and we agree. I would like to see the NoVA GS take some cuts now that they  have successfully elected a criminal Governor of VA.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 05:53 AM (5ikDv)

215 Too many people live beyond their means and don't realize that they are.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (LSDdO)

216

OK I need to find chewy pretzels with mustard, I think.

 

Laters

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (3ZtZW)

217 "The invocation of Darwin presumes that the mistake was due to genetic deficiencies, and assumes that all human behavior is a product of inheritance." The inability to learn, and to avoid that which is a demonstrable threat to self-preservation is genetic. Doesn't matter if its applied to wildlife on the Serengeti or a fool diving with his untrained boy. I thought I made it pretty obvious in the original post that the application of Darwinism was specific to the dad; that his kid paid for it as a result.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (60Vyp)

218 Sven, there's nothing technical about it. Christmas ends on Epiphany. Eastern or Western rite? 'cause there's a fair bit of slide on dates betwixt the two.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (naUcP)

219 213 Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (v6cwT)

They all act as though there is no tomorrow.

My foster brother the SES is near that level of paycheck to paycheck.

Yet somehow we crack on on an E-7 and my purposefully subpeak earnings.

Indexing expenditure to income and grasping the difference between discretionary and necessary expenditure who does that anymore?

The Sub E-8 community that's who.

Happy Holidays

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (TE35l)

220 In this case, the dad was clearly reckless. ---- Oh, absolutely. But the kid was a victim of dad's recklessness, is all I'm saying. It's not reasonable to expect a 15 year-old to figure out the dangers when a trusted, experienced adult is encouraging him to ignore those dangers or denying that those dangers are real.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 05:56 AM (5JhS+)

221 it always seemed to me a flawed paradigm, but it also meant if ever 50.0000000001% of a populace decided cannibalism was appropo the only logical answer was to grab a leg or run like hell. I am preparing to run like hell. You only have to knee cap the next closest person, then casually saunter away. Sorta like being chased by a bear. You don't have to be the fastest, just not the slowest.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 05:57 AM (cB3Ay)

222 214 noone, really at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (5ikDv)

I know, and you and your son both have my sympathy.

If I ever do get "Moron Estates" going I do fully intend it to be a literal Galt's Gulch on a micro scale.

All the best to you and yours.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:57 AM (TE35l)

223 Short term hiring of the unskilled / semiskilled is (or at least was) pretty common in nuclear work. There are radiation dose limits for short term and lifetime exposure. Hiring temporary people to do simple chores like carrying toolboxes into, and filled garbage bags out of high dose zones allows the skilled workers to maximize their useful time limits on the job. Relatively high pay, too, for the few days allowed by regulations.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 31, 2013 05:58 AM (SwHqo)

224 The inability to learn, and to avoid that which is a demonstrable threat to self-preservation is genetic. Doesn't matter if its applied to wildlife on the Serengeti or a fool diving with his untrained boy. Always?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 05:59 AM (VUDJK)

225 221 rickb223 at December 31, 2013 10:57 AM (cB3Ay)

a joke and thought process at least as old as human language I'd wager.

All the best to you and yours Rick

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 05:59 AM (TE35l)

226

Why assume the dad was foolish and not performing a murder-suicide???

How was the home life?

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 05:59 AM (b7yum)

227 174 Calling it "Darwinism at work" implies that we're better off without the kid as well, and we really couldn't know that. Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 10:23 AM (5JhS+) Darwinism doesn't speak to any benefits to the species as a whole that might arise from the death of an unfit individual. It simply states that the unfit are less likely to survive and breed. In this case, Dad was clearly reckless. I'd say his negligence was such that it would be considered criminal, has he survived, and the kid not. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2013 10:35 AM (60Q+L) Culling "reckless genes" could benefit the species as a whole. Reckless people don't kill or injure only themselves or other reckless people.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 05:59 AM (EWsrI)

228

 

It seems to me as though that movie list, if it is going by body count, should have included "The Longest Day".

Posted by: Former Lurker at December 31, 2013 06:00 AM (4hp6w)

229 "Natural selection" really screwed up.  Look around.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:01 AM (P6QsQ)

230 a joke and thought process at least as old as human language I'd wager. All the best to you and yours Rick And to you & yours, Sven. Stay safe.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:01 AM (cB3Ay)

231 Oh, absolutely. But the kid was a victim of dad's recklessness, is all I'm saying. It's not reasonable to expect a 15 year-old to figure out the dangers when a trusted, experienced adult is encouraging him to ignore those dangers or denying that those dangers are real.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (5JhS+)


And wouldn't taking actions likely to put one's own offspring at risk of death not likely be the ne plus ultra of Darwinian unfitness?



"Hold my beer, son, and watch this!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 31, 2013 06:01 AM (60Q+L)

232 218 Sven, there's nothing technical about it. Christmas ends on Epiphany. Eastern or Western rite? 'cause there's a fair bit of slide on dates betwixt the two. Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 10:56 AM (naUcP) --- Yeah. I have a Ukrainian step-mother.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 06:01 AM (N/cFh)

233 It seems to me as though that movie list, if it is going by body count, should have included "The Longest Day". I'm thinking "Knowing" would be one of the higher ranking films. Unless it's limited to directly seen on-screen demises.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (naUcP)

234 "Yea, but the guy who finishes last in his class at the worst medical school in the country is still called "doctor"."
==========
What about a guy who graduates last from West Point?

Posted by: John McCain at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (VjL9S)

235 Jumping jehosaphat

Festivals/Holidays/Celebrations at the end of the year (winter equinox where the sun starts back north in the north) are meant for one thing and one thing only; party time.

Crops are in, repairs made, fields prepared, food processed etc.

You now know you face 2-3 months of cold/snow/possible starvation.

So you have a big party and get drunk, get laid, get in a fight with that a'hole down the road who gets on your thungas. See your kids make friends, show off, become liked, become hated, become stupid.

Then when it's all over you go back and sit in the hut/cabin/igloo/shed/shack and wait for spring thaw hoping that you've got enough food and heat making supplies to last until then.

(note the year end festivals predominate in northern cultures due to the weather. I don't know about the southern hemisphere due to lack of historical data. but even the Romans had their fun.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (LSDdO)

236 9 "Natural selection" really screwed up. Look around. You can thank OSHA for a lot of that.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (cB3Ay)

237 Culling reckless genes could benefit the species as a whole. ---- Really? And we've identified a reckless gene, now? Recklessness is a choice, that adults should be free to make for themselves and not for their children.

Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (5JhS+)

238 215 Hey BC were you on the Turner Joy???

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:02 AM (b7yum)

239 227 eman at December 31, 2013 10:59 AM (EWsrI)

There was a case of this in action on Sunday when we were without power.

Leaving Ft Jackson to go to the Evil W for some shopping and to get away from the fallow house we saw an idiot in a SUV shed a wheel that bounced literally down the road three blocks at a high rate of speed.

Only the paucity of traffic when the catastrophic failure struck prevented a fatality.....

the idiot had to have ignore the deterioration of his tie rods and/or wobbling noise from missing loose lugnuts for a spread of time...

that apathy/idiocy would have killed someone had it occurred a week later...

now on the stupidity/daring front wife ridiculed me for the glint in my eye saying I wanted to run and catch it.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:03 AM (TE35l)

240 Guy tries to rob a hair salon; gets bested by hairdressers.

http://tinyurl.com/kbrqj3a



Posted by: baldilocks at December 31, 2013 06:03 AM (36Rjy)

241 AND 16 semester hours PER YEAR.

When I (finally) finished my undergrad, I was hitting 23 per semester  and it still took 2 years to finish even with a 2.5 year headstart.

The article estimates that it would take 3.3 years to finish a 2 year associates degree @ 16 hrs per year.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 06:03 AM (5ikDv)

242 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2013 10:53 AM (QFxY5) Actually I've wondered if on-demand yard waste removal is a problem. We pay per bag (we buy little tags) and they collect it. Although I think that's more because about half the people pay for the monthly pickup and the trash company is just trying to capture those of us who don't another way.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 06:04 AM (GaqMa)

243 Posted by: John McCain at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (VjL9S)

 You weren't last John. You couldn't even distinguish yourself by doing that.

You were 894 out of 899.

And THIS, THIS is what we had to vote for instead of Choom Boy.

And I quote myself. "How do we manage to vote for this turd in a punch bowl".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:04 AM (LSDdO)

244 Always? Posted by: Grey Fox I'll play; can you cite an example of that condition other than genetic? beside political ideology?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 06:04 AM (60Vyp)

245 232 Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:01 AM (N/cFh)

Ironic, I have a Russian Step-Grandmother rest her soul who converted from Orthodox to Catholicism.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:04 AM (TE35l)

246 What about a guy who graduates last from West Point? He's called a Second Lieutenant of the United States Infantry. /pedantic

Posted by: Fox2! at December 31, 2013 06:05 AM (cHwSy)

247 241 One quarter I took 28 units

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:05 AM (b7yum)

248 237 Culling reckless genes could benefit the species as a whole. ---- Really? And we've identified a reckless gene, now? Recklessness is a choice, that adults should be free to make for themselves and not for their children. Posted by: Jenny Kind of Likes Her Phone at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (5JhS+) I'm just saying if such genes exist then Natural Selection naturally selects against them, and in doing so the species benefits. I have not said or implied anything else.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:06 AM (EWsrI)

249

239: "now on the stupidity/daring front wife ridiculed me for the glint in my eye saying I wanted to run and catch it."

 

Pre or post "beverage"?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 06:06 AM (LJpVo)

250

239 You have NO IDEA how many people are driving around with half their lugnuts.

I see it daily, and sleep no better for it

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:07 AM (b7yum)

251 "Natural selection" really screwed up. Look around. We've been purposefully contravening it for a very long time now, to the point of encouraging unfit strains to become dominant. Three EMP devices. Then the crop we've been sowing comes to harvest, and God help us all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 06:08 AM (naUcP)

252 You have NO IDEA how many people are driving around with half their lugnuts.


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heh

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:08 AM (P6QsQ)

253 It's always surprised me how the Libs (who generally are proponents of evolution and Darwinian theory) spend so much time making sure it can't take effect.

Fewer laws, less welfare, no handouts.

You screw up, you die.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:08 AM (LSDdO)

254 I'm thinking "Knowing" would be one of the higher ranking films. Unless it's limited to directly seen on-screen demises. Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 11:02 AM (naUcP) I was going to say Knowing but now that I think about it Melancholia would be right up there too. The dodge seems to be visible on screen deaths. That's still a huge huge dodge and doesn't appear to include Asian or Indian films.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 06:08 AM (VtjlW)

255 249 Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 11:06 AM (LJpVo)

14 years "post"...

I do not need beverages to be an idiot...

the imbibement simply increases the frequency of the incidents....

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:08 AM (TE35l)

256

One quarter I took 28 units

 

 

Piker.  That's a good weekend around  these parts.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 31, 2013 06:09 AM (BAS5M)

257

252 But they all have smartphones and expensive shoes.

Gawd I work around a--holes

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:09 AM (b7yum)

258 15 Not to be callous, but that is just Darwinism at work. The father should have known better and he and his his boy paid for it.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 09:35 AM (60Vyp)

No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at December 31, 2013 09:38 AM (Qev5V)

Are you really whining about an old Marine telling it like it is? Here?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 31, 2013 06:10 AM (36Rjy)

259 256 I wasn't talking about units of semen

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:10 AM (b7yum)

260

251:"Three EMP devices. Then the crop we've been sowing comes to harvest, and God help us all."

 

Hmmm. I wonder if banks keep hard copies of mortgage documents anymore? If not, this would be a good thing neh?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 06:10 AM (f6ZLT)

261 250 DAve at December 31, 2013 11:07 AM (b7yum)

Actually I sort of did.  I did some wrecking/recovery work in Louisiana.

Ponder it, it is easily a knowable, the attrition of performance has to be able to be felt and yet we still have this state of being....

b/c

"derp" and "here Grim Reaper hold my beer and watch this..." we get morons and not our kind of Moron who do such wonders.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:10 AM (TE35l)

262 253 It's always surprised me how the Libs (who generally are proponents of evolution and Darwinian theory) spend so much time making sure it can't take effect. Fewer laws, less welfare, no handouts. You screw up, you die. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 11:08 AM (LSDdO) I have found that many libs who promote Evolution know very little about it and promote it because many of their political foes reject it.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:11 AM (EWsrI)

263 I knew a guy who was after the incident. And we used to cruise with them once in a while. But No.

DLG -22 USS England
DLG -21 USS Gridley

Both scrap now I believe. (the originals. There's a new Gridley I think)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:12 AM (LSDdO)

264

258 Hey Baldi!!! Happy New Year!!!

I'm thinking of changing my nick.  Any suggestions??  Hasta be short (3 or 4 letters MAX)

Smug pretenscious asshole tho accurate is not a contender

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:12 AM (b7yum)

265 I'll play; can you cite an example of that condition other than genetic? beside political ideology? Daniel Boone at Blue Licks. A cautious, intelligent man who was smart enough to survive a heck of a lot over the decades, but in a moment of weakness let his pride get the better of him and at the goading of a reckless man crossed the river into an obvious ambush. His son was killed in the ensuing massacre, too. There are thousands of such instances were someone who should have known better - who did know better - did something foolish out of pride or overconfidence.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 06:13 AM (VUDJK)

266 (3 or 4 letters MAX)

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There's your answer, MAX.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:13 AM (P6QsQ)

267 See, we discussed this earlier...unless the person enjoyed drowning and/or suffocating, this isn't entirely accurate...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 10:45 AM (naUcP)


Look, I am just quoting the guy.  He was clearly as nutty as they come.  He was both adamant and belligerent about expiring that way--so be it.  He knew it would be unpleasant at the end, but, he was OK with going out that way.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at December 31, 2013 06:13 AM (kXoT0)

268 19 Activist singer-songwriter Ani DiFranco has canceled plans for a retreat at a former plantation near Baton Rouge after heated online protests about the venue. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 31, 2013 09:42 AM (kdS6q) I read her whole statement. It's a little difficult since she eschews capitalization. http://tinyurl.com/ojpa3r8 It's worth a read. Yes, she's a lefty, but she sounds more than a little ticked off at the protesters.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 06:14 AM (zoehZ)

269 testosterone'll get you every time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:14 AM (LSDdO)

270

All the best to you and yours.

Likewise and thank you ,sven.
He will be fine. Just tough to watch your kid getting the "making lemonade" Masters course.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 06:14 AM (5ikDv)

271 263  Wondered 'cuz i have a friend who was on the TJ at that time

Posted by: DAve at December 31, 2013 06:14 AM (b7yum)

272 265 Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (VUDJK)

George Armstrong Custer made a living off playing risk/balls like a fiddle on the battlefield....

and he paid a steep price.

The Boone example resonates we grew up in the county he was taken to as a hostage.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:14 AM (TE35l)

273 I never, ever do untested or unsafe drugs or anything that would endanger me. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:11 AM (N/cFh) This is a huge disappointment. I keep hoping she'll get the drugs they used in Firestarter so that our progeny could burn up the NSA (surely the real life equivalent of The Shop).

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 06:16 AM (N/cFh)

274 266  That's a good'n!!!  Trying to not post under my real name anymore.  Bad luck I think

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 06:16 AM (b7yum)

275 (note the year end festivals predominate in northern cultures due to the weather. I don't know about the southern hemisphere due to lack of historical data. but even the Romans had their fun.)
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The Saturnalia was a hell of a party.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:17 AM (VjL9S)

276 Hmmm. I wonder if banks keep hard copies of mortgage documents anymore? If not, this would be a good thing neh? Yes, they do, and for the love of God, it would not be worth it. Seriously, if it came to that, the best way to roll would be "you own what you occupy, we have too many bodies to bury to work out anything else." And there would be a lot of bodies, just and unjust alike. This is not a thing we should want.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 06:17 AM (naUcP)

277 It's worth a read. Yes, she's a lefty, but she sounds more than a little ticked off at the protesters. Sounds like an open-shut case of whose ox is gored.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 06:17 AM (V3kRK)

278

unless the person enjoyed drowning and/or suffocating, this isn't entirely accurate...

 

-

 

Actually, in about ten percent of the cases, the diver still had air in the tank when their body was recovered.  Some panicked and lost their regulator and drowned, but it appears some realized that they weren't going to get out, and simply pulled out their regulator and breathed in water to get it over    with.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 06:18 AM (sBUAE)

279 But if i change my nic do I have to start over on the two years of being called a troll????

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 06:19 AM (b7yum)

280 Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 11:13 AM (VUDJK) I would counter by saying that doing "something foolish out of pride or overconfidence" on the battle field is a) a subjective determination and b) arguably NOT something genetic but rather something inculcated or developed through military training or experience. As an example of b): 300 Spartans at Thermopalaye.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 06:19 AM (60Vyp)

281 Breaking in for a prayer request. My brother-in- law is going in for surgery on the 2nd. He has already had a cancerous nodule removed but they are removing his tonsils and seeing if the cancer has spread. Neither he or my sister are believers in God or Christ either, so they don't have that wellspring to draw upon. I love them both and would be grateful for prayers. Thanks so much.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:20 AM (BC6cY)

282 It's worth a read. Yes, she's a lefty, but she sounds more than a little ticked off at the protesters. She's from my 'hood. You should have seen the way she was attacked for marrying a (gasp, swoon) MAN. Seems her followers were convinced she was ghey all the way, and to be fair, DiFranco encouraged that built-in base for her caterwalling. Not the first time she's been attacked by the Left. I love Left-on-Left hate.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 06:20 AM (7ObY1)

283 279 MAx at December 31, 2013 11:19 AM (b7yum)

I doubt it DAve, see the key is having a distinct enough style people eventually deduce your identity regardless....


Posted by: Sejanus at December 31, 2013 06:20 AM (TE35l)

284 278 unless the person enjoyed drowning and/or suffocating, this isn't entirely accurate... - Actually, in about ten percent of the cases, the diver still had air in the tank when their body was recovered. Some panicked and lost their regulator and drowned, but it appears some realized that they weren't going to get out, and simply pulled out their regulator and breathed in water to get it over with. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 11:18 AM (sBUAE) Maybe cave diving could be made much safer by applying some modern technology? Why do we rely on human senses and memory to find our way out?

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:21 AM (EWsrI)

285 As an example of b): 300 Spartans at Thermopalaye. See, there's a difference between "Pointless charge through No-Man's-Land" and "Doomed but heroic and strategically vital rear guard action." I would classify (b) as the latter.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 06:21 AM (naUcP)

286 260 251:"Three EMP devices. Then the crop we've been sowing comes to harvest, and God help us all."

Hmmm. I wonder if banks keep hard copies of mortgage documents anymore? If not, this would be a good thing neh?
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Our county, and many other counties in Texas, have stopped keeping the original deed in their records.

Instead, they scan it in and send it back.

Yeah.

I like to pretend that they've an isolated, self-sustained and properly insulated backup.

But who am I kidding? It's the government.

Can you imagine the years of lawsuits merely to determine the true owner?

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:21 AM (VjL9S)

287 All of them? I am only laughing at your pain a little bit. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 10:52 AM (VtjlW) Well, I forgot the origins of Sinestro and what color he can't handle, seeing as his ring manifests yellow.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 06:22 AM (N/cFh)

288 281 FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:20 AM (BC6cY)

Done, and done.

Little does your family know that God hears and honors prayers for believer and non-believer alike and in denying Him His due they are denying themselves His strength.

I pray His mercy shows them the error of their ways.

God bless and keep you and yours.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:22 AM (TE35l)

289 Custer was a Sagittarius.

They take risks that usually work out because the Sag is very intuitive and smart on a subconscious level.

This is good for a battlefield commander who is operating independently and in a tactically fluid environment.

It does lead to problems with authority. (they don't respect it much and unfortunately show it.)

It can also lead in later years to impulsivity and an over reliance on their intuition which can be fatal if incorrect or executed incorrectly.

This is what happened to George. He didn't pay attention to detail and got him and 70 some guys shot up. Amazingly he had brought a couple of gatling guns but did not field them. They might have made the difference. They may not have been used due to terrain.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:23 AM (LSDdO)

290 Fenelon - Done.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:23 AM (P6QsQ)

291 273 I never, ever do untested or unsafe drugs or anything that would endanger me. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 10:11 AM (N/cFh) This is a huge disappointment. I keep hoping she'll get the drugs they used in Firestarter so that our progeny could burn up the NSA (surely the real life equivalent of The Shop). Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 11:16 AM (N/cFh) --- And then all of our friends would be out of work and have to move in. NO.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 06:24 AM (N/cFh)

292 But if i change my nic do I have to start over on the two years of being called a troll???? Posted by: MAx Would "Yes" risk busting the obvious meter?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:24 AM (cB3Ay)

293

Actually the little black kid who was adopted by the Romney's hit the jackpot.

 

Those Romney's are rich.

 

Way richer than any rapper you ever heard of

Posted by: zipline Bob at December 31, 2013 06:24 AM (W6iIX)

294 Fenelon Spoke, prayers for you and yours.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 06:24 AM (VtjlW)

295

284 Because breadcrumbs float

*zing!*

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 06:26 AM (b7yum)

296

276:"This is not a thing we should want."

 

I tend to believe that it is no longer a matter of what we want, merely how we can best position ourselves to make it through it.

 

No matter the cause, the large cities are done for. Whether it is a lack of sufficient food production, EMPs, nukes, or SMOD, they will not survive.

 

My concern is how to best provide for my family and neighbors. There will be those who come out of it on top. I want us to be those people.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 06:26 AM (f6ZLT)

297 Representative Eleanor Holmes Norton. I can find nothing wrong with her title.

Posted by: X at December 31, 2013 06:26 AM (KHo8t)

298 eman:

Cave diving will always be stupidly dangerous for the untrained. The casualty rate is at 40% for untrained cave divers.

GPS requires line of sight to the open sky.

A simple rope requires being trained to bring the damned thing and actually use it. And on top of that, you need to be trained to have proper dive time discipline for caves.

You can't just surface when your tank gets below 500 psi. You also have to be where you can find the surface well before your tank hits 500 psi.

Even with top quality long term rebreathers, this stuff is stupid dangerous without specialized certification.

Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 06:27 AM (c6N69)

299 292 By changing my nic from 4 letters to 3 I've already increased my efficiency by 25% for the new year

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 06:27 AM (b7yum)

300 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:20 AM (BC6cY) Dude, if I uttered a prayer, God would have a heart attack. So, instead, best wishes to all.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:27 AM (EWsrI)

301 The Octave of Christmas ends tomorrow (inclusive).


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 06:28 AM (V70Uh)

302 Else, it wouldn't be an octave would it?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 06:28 AM (V70Uh)

303 Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:21 AM (EWsrI)

Maybe they could just not do that?

Things I'm not going to do. EVER.

cave diving
sky diving
Xtreme skiing
Skiing
Surfing in Hawaii
Surfing in New Jersey
Walking in the Bronx with 100's sticking out my pockets
Telling Mike Tyson to GFY

See how that works?

Mildly thrilling > Okey dokey
Death defying > No thanks. I'll be over there.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:28 AM (LSDdO)

304 Just because I thought it was funny. The animals mostly don't look too thrilled to be put in in New Year's Eve hats :^) http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=218943 Thanks for the prayers everyone.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:28 AM (BC6cY)

305 Wait a second, I'm confused. DiFranco's fans are upset that it's not a plantation anymore? Isn't that a good thing?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 06:30 AM (N/cFh)

306 293 Actually the little black kid who was adopted by the Romney's hit the jackpot.

Those Romney's are rich.

Way richer than any rapper you ever heard of
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What does it say about a culture that promotes and perpetuates the falsehood that rappers have money?

Also, I don't know why there hasn't been a huge civil rights class action lawsuit against the unstated policy of many government adoption agencies absolutely forbidding blacks being adopted by whites.

As some have noted, there are many leftists who would have preferred that little boy had been aborted rather than adopted by a white family.

They won't say so out-loud but that is the logical conclusion for their stated unqualified support for abortion.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:30 AM (VjL9S)

307 298 eman: Cave diving will always be stupidly dangerous for the untrained. The casualty rate is at 40% for untrained cave divers. GPS requires line of sight to the open sky. A simple rope requires being trained to bring the damned thing and actually use it. And on top of that, you need to be trained to have proper dive time discipline for caves. You can't just surface when your tank gets below 500 psi. You also have to be where you can find the surface well before your tank hits 500 psi. Even with top quality long term rebreathers, this stuff is stupid dangerous without specialized certification. Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (c6N69) I was thinking more along the lines of devices planted along the way that can help guide you out and warnings from other devices that help you make better decisions during the dive.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:30 AM (EWsrI)

308 My concern is how to best provide for my family and neighbors. There will be those who come out of it on top. I want us to be those people. Immediate-post-apocalyptic morality begins with the realization that the left will have finally achieved the fixed-pie, zero-sum, dog-eat-dog cage match that they've accused our world of being for so long.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 06:30 AM (V3kRK)

309 Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (EWsrI)

*ring ring*

*God looks at caller ID*

eman? who the kcuf is eman?

Oh. THAT guy. Why they calling me now?

I wonder what it's about?

Eh, kcuf them, they never take MY calls.

*turns off phone*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:31 AM (LSDdO)

310 b) arguably NOT something genetic but rather something inculcated or developed through military training or experience. That is exactly what I was arguing - that foolishness is not always genetic, but can be based on acquired traits or outside conditions. Point being: Some folks around here talk in terms of biological determinism that isn't always warranted and it gets pretty old after awhile. Humans aren't machines.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 31, 2013 06:31 AM (VUDJK)

311

@ 296

I'll be there to guide you...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 31, 2013 06:31 AM (GjPnA)

312 Dude, if I uttered a prayer, God would have a heart attack.

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Hardly 


Look up the genealogy of Jesus sometime.  Chock full of the most, er, colorful characters, you might say.  If you were wanting to be polite.   

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:31 AM (P6QsQ)

313 305 Wait a second, I'm confused. DiFranco's fans are upset that it's not a plantation anymore? Isn't that a good thing? Expecting the Left to make sense, are ya? It's wrong because SHUT UP RACISTS!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 06:32 AM (7ObY1)

314 Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (EWsrI) Well, thank for the good wishes, but really the creator of the universe would not have a heart attack if you uttered a prayer. God might say "Nice to hear from you, eman" Happy New Year to you and yours.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:33 AM (BC6cY)

315 Prayers on the way, Fenelon.

Posted by: Donna V at December 31, 2013 06:33 AM (u0lmX)

316 The genealogy of Jesus isn't.  It's the genealogy of Joseph.  Apparently Mary's lineage was considered important.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 06:33 AM (V70Uh)

317 Bitter Clinger, I'm with you. I like ziplining, but there's no way I'd do sky diving, etc.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at December 31, 2013 06:33 AM (NpBvG)

318 Eastern or Western rite? Both. It's just that the difference between the Gregorian and Julian calendars (currently, 13 days) is enough to put Eastern Christmas at the time of Western Epiphany (+/- a day). Byzantine Epiphany occurs on 19 Jan (Gregorian), ending their Christmastide. /pedant

Posted by: Fox2! at December 31, 2013 06:33 AM (cHwSy)

319 wasn't consider to be important.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 06:34 AM (V70Uh)

320 308 FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 31, 2013 11:30 AM (V3kRK)

Quite the correct response is to introduce them to what a "weapons free" world means....

I am preparing my rally point slowly but surely.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:34 AM (TE35l)

321 I expect the 'researchers' on the ice-bound ship to declare their mission a phenomenal success, because that's what liberals do. No matter how bad the train wreck, they are masters of self-delusion.

Posted by: Wallace & Gromit at December 31, 2013 06:34 AM (aDwsi)

322 Sven, et al. Get ready for more.. We got an email that all civilians who live in states that don't allow same sex marriage should count all their kids as "step-children" in order to get them health care. Nice end around. I actually have no problem with delaying TA assistance. I might go even a little farther. Complete a full enlistment. There are plenty of REMFs who go to school full time, hanging out long enough to get all the benefits, with none of the "downside" of being in the icky military. Of course for me, the "downside" was the "upside". There are infestations of the FSA in the military too. They usually have "national defense" ribbons on their license plates.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 06:35 AM (fnZRh)

323

Woman with seven-foot butt.  No, it's not Mooch:

 

http://tinyurl.com/mj23xx6


 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (zF6Iw)

324 When I was young, we'd do some cliff diving.
 
10-15 feet, nothing too high.

There was one spot where it was a narrow channel and the only way out was under the rock. A little cave of about 8 feet or so.

Yeah. Little scary.

Even though you could see the light at each end, you couldn't get out quick enough.

(The Narrows, I think we called that area. All below the spillway, the flood path of a dam, too boot.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (VjL9S)

325 322 Mikeb at December 31, 2013 11:35 AM (fnZRh)

Wife is not planning on wearing her veteran status on our plates...

we were told LE gets nervous at them.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (TE35l)

326 I wouldn't suggest that you do this either, bitter clinger but this guy did -off the coast of Portugal. Professional surfer surfed a 100 ft. wave: http://tinyurl.com/lfwnlpb

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (BC6cY)

327 The FSA is finding out that it isn't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (LSDdO)

328

.......

As some have noted, there are many leftists who would have preferred that little boy had been aborted rather than adopted by a white family.

.......

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 11:30 AM (VjL9S)

yup,

growin up white is a crime, same with being white

Posted by: zipline Bob at December 31, 2013 06:36 AM (W6iIX)

329 314 Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (EWsrI) Well, thank for the good wishes, but really the creator of the universe would not have a heart attack if you uttered a prayer. God might say "Nice to hear from you, eman" Happy New Year to you and yours. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:33 AM (BC6cY) He'd have a Fred Sanford fake heart attack just to freak everybody out.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:37 AM (EWsrI)

330 The genealogy of Jesus isn't. It's the genealogy of Joseph. Apparently Mary's lineage was considered important.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 31, 2013 11:33 AM (V70Uh)


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I am referring to the cast of characters listed in Matthew, Chapter 1, described as "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ",  (verse 1 and following ....)



Quite the rogue's gallery. 

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:37 AM (P6QsQ)

331 Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (b7yum)

Great!

Another damned troll.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 31, 2013 06:39 AM (QFxY5)

332 Mildly thrilling > Okey dokey Death defying > No thanks. I'll be over there. Posted by: Bitter Clinger I'll save you a seat in front of the big screen tv. We can watch all of the epic fails. You bring the popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:39 AM (cB3Ay)

333 Even with top quality long term rebreathers, this stuff is stupid dangerous without specialized certification. Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 11:27 AM (c6N69) I think cave diving is stupid dangerous period. Someone mentioned spelunking up thread and I will admit that I used to enjoy doing a minor, minor bit of spelunking. I'm talking already mapped, maybe need a headlight, in and out in a few hours stuff, not actual spelunking. I enjoyed that right up to the time that someone in our group tripped and suffered a severe ankle injury and we all got to put our wilderness first aid training to the test. Thankfully, one person in the group was an EMT, we had good emergency medical supplies with us and we were able to rig up a carrier. But that turned our 45 minute little jaunt into about 3-4 hours and pointed out how something as simple as that was a Big Honking Deal.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 06:39 AM (VtjlW)

334 Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 11:37 AM (EWsrI) Well possibly. In order to put up with humanity God would have to have a sense of humor. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:40 AM (BC6cY)

335 You buy the TV.

that 110" one please.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:40 AM (LSDdO)

336 What this really needs is a spokesman in a onesie. Shit, they tried that. The day before Y2K was a breeze compared to 12/31/2013...sigh. Ahhh, healthcare.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 31, 2013 06:41 AM (lQ5/A)

337 Humans aren't machines. ------------------ Ah.., Mechanism vs. Vitalism

Posted by: Wallace & Gromit at December 31, 2013 06:41 AM (aDwsi)

338 I actually have no problem with delaying TA assistance.
I might go even a little farther. Complete a full enlistment.
There are plenty of REMFs who go to school full time


So penalize the whole enlisted corps because "REMFs"?

Are you by any chance a Harvard Constitutional law professor?

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 06:41 AM (5ikDv)

339 I am referring to the cast of characters listed in Matthew, Chapter 1, described as "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ", (verse 1 and following ....) Quite the rogue's gallery. Is Vic listed?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:42 AM (cB3Ay)

340 Is Vic listed?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:42 AM (cB3Ay)


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Not exactly, but I think he might have known Rahab the Harlot.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:43 AM (P6QsQ)

341 In order to put up with humanity God would have to have a sense of humor. ;^) One word: Platypus.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 31, 2013 06:43 AM (659DL)

342 I see alot of morons arguing about the father/son team who were killed cave diving. I used to be an avid spelunker in my youth. You never go into a cave without 4 people..because 1.) you never leave an injured man alone 2.) You never cave alome, so you need 2 to get back for help. Have I violated those rules? Of course, I'm a freaking moron! Got stuck in a cave once that flooded. Ran to the highest part and stayed there for the longest time until the water receeded. I want no parts of underwater caving. It's just too dangerous for me.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 31, 2013 06:43 AM (rbP7L)

343 338 noone, really at December 31, 2013 11:41 AM (5ikDv)

Well no, BUT there are a class of people who join up just to go to school and render themselves undeployable.

Wife has seen it, the thing is I don't have any easy answer about how to cull the sham artists from the force easily.

Wife has seen some people get to go to school as their military assignment when that is not in fact their assignment b/c command "wanted them to succeed" whilst the rest of their shop had to quadruple down to cover their absence.

It shouldn't be a problem much longer I think the US military has at most another decade of this manpower level left.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (TE35l)

344 Adrenaline junkies often wind up dead. Why? Because increasing the risk is the key to creating the adrenaline.

Case in point: Guy had a P51 Mustang - hottest prop driven fighter ever. Pretty soon having a plane that would cruise at 350 mph wasn't enough of a thrill - so he started flying it at 50 feet off the ground - till that got ordinary. So he started flying it at 350 mph 50 feet off the ground upside down. Now that was a rush - until one time he started to pull back on the stick to climb up...

When you put yourself into a situation where the last sound you'll ever make is "oops" you are a complete fucking fool.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (ylhEn)

345 It's all fun and games until someone takes a fall and now what was an easy walk turns into a sweaty, breath rasping trudge. With the looming possibility that with the added stress, someone ELSE will hurt themselves and the ability of those remaining to wrestle two injured parties has been halved.

This has happened more than once in history.

The story of the lost nail is true. Tiny things can cascade into major problems even death for all.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (LSDdO)

346 Off Gromit sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (aDwsi)

347 There are plenty of REMFs who go to school full time, hanging out long enough to get all the benefits, with none of the "downside" of being in the icky military. Of course for me, the "downside" was the "upside".
There are infestations of the FSA in the military too.
They usually have "national defense" ribbons on their license plates.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 11:35 AM (fnZRh)

Hey, fyt

Posted by: baldilocks--retired REMF at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (36Rjy)

348 Half day over. First to the gym to do something good for myself, then off to drinkin' to do something baaaaad. Buon anno, 'rons and 'ronettes!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (7ObY1)

349

I was thinking more along the lines of devices planted along the way that can help guide you out and warnings from other devices that help you make better decisions during the dive.

 

-

Many caves have arrows and pointers left by previous divers,     but I think the main attraction of cave diving is the danger.   I go into shipwrecks because I    can see history and see things that 99% of the population can't see, but cave divers just see rock, so there must be something to the danger that attracts them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (sBUAE)

350 340 Is Vic listed? Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:42 AM (cB3Ay) ------------ Not exactly, but I think he might have known Rahab the Harlot. Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:43 AM (P6QsQ) "Known".

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 06:44 AM (N/cFh)

351 Gingy



Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:45 AM (P6QsQ)

352 everyone wrap yourself in bubble wrap and try not to move around too much.....you might pop a protective bubble

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy 7th day of Christmas at December 31, 2013 06:45 AM (u8GsB)

353

338:"So penalize the whole enlisted corps because "REMFs"?"

 

I think this goes to the heart of having earned benefits versus unearned freebies.

 

Career enlisted have always had to pick up the slack for the mugs who are only there to get the bennies and then bounce.

 

I would support delaying TA until after a full enlistment term, so long as it is the full TA we used to have.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 06:46 AM (LJpVo)

354 One more before I go: I saw Goddamned Trolls open for Gentle Giant, NYC 1975. I was pretty stoned but you should have seen how wasted The Trolls were!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 06:46 AM (7ObY1)

355 350 Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:44 AM (N/cFh)

Vic was there when it was just Rahab the "friendly"...

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:46 AM (TE35l)

356 They usually have "national defense" ribbons on their license plates. Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 11:35 AM (fnZRh) Hey, fyt Posted by: baldilocks ----------------------- Hmm. I acknowledge having an NDSM-striped tie. I wear it on Veteran's day only. Interestingly, no one has ever noticed. Here's pic : http://militarybest.com/ndsmsilktie.html

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 06:47 AM (aDwsi)

357 352 phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy 7th day of Christmas at December 31, 2013 11:45 AM (u8GsB)

Ma'am shall we ever have the pleasure to meet you will see it is not hyperbole that I say, "I'll be easy to find in the camps look for the smiling guy with a scar over his left eye...."

Risk and daring are awesome, foolhardiness to the point of idiocy...?

//Guy who almost ran over his own neck in his truck

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:48 AM (TE35l)

358 Not exactly, but I think [Vic] might have known Rahab the Harlot.
Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:43 AM (P6QsQ)
"Known".

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:44 AM (N/cFh)

Ha!

Most sordid story regarding Jesus' wacky human ancestors: Judah and his daughter-in-law.

Posted by: baldilocks--retired REMF at December 31, 2013 06:49 AM (36Rjy)

359 Many caves have arrows and pointers left by previous divers, but I think the main attraction of cave diving is the danger. I go into shipwrecks because I can see history and see things that 99% of the population can't see, Take a camera, play James Cameron, put it on NatGeoWild, and we can.....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 06:49 AM (cB3Ay)

360 If they hadn't have banned Tom Sawyer as "racist reading that'll ruin our kids!" I don't know how anyone can read the part about being lost in the cave and ever want anything to do with going in caves.

Made quite an impression on me as a young lad. Screw that, I don't want to die cold, hungry and in the dark under thousands of feet of solid rock.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:50 AM (VjL9S)

361 Just another low mark for leftists who make fun of the Romneys because of the adoption of a black baby. It's sad, really, that people are so invested in their ideology that they can't realize how much the parents went through in order to adopt and how much they will probably cherish him. MSNBC dolts saying, "One of these things is not like the others". THING?!!. He's not a thing. It's a beautiful little boy. People who say such things stand in need of prayer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:51 AM (BC6cY)

362 Cave Dwellers is a good MST3K.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 06:51 AM (y4ys9)

363 Posted by: baldilocks--retired REMF at December 31, 2013 11:49 AM (36Rjy)


----------------


As my pastor said the Sunday before Christmas, people like this were not just part of Jesus' story.  They were the whole point of the story.

Christ came for sinners. 

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:51 AM (P6QsQ)

364
Let's see some concentration today.... last day of the year to score up for most comments of the year.



Oh and Happy New Year Horde.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 31, 2013 06:52 AM (MaP11)

365 What freaks me about thinking about caves is the tight places.

I'm not claustrophobic but I can see it from where I am and I don't go there.

I'm a big guy and getting stuck in some place where no one can help  is NOT my cup of tea.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:52 AM (LSDdO)

366 Not enough air in caves. Not enough air in scuba tanks. In fact, it's starting to feel a little closed in inside this comment box.

Posted by: Mama AJ, perhaps a wee bit claustrophobic at December 31, 2013 06:53 AM (SUKHu)

367

Is Vic listed?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:42 AM (cB3Ay)


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Not exactly, but I think he might have known Rahab the Harlot.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:43 AM (P6QsQ)

 

The Jews wandered for 40 years because Vic yelled, "Get off my lawn!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 06:53 AM (zF6Iw)

368 FOBBITS and REMFS oh my!  And the NDSM 'barely breathing' award...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 06:53 AM (d0bTF)

369 364 Guy Mohawk at December 31, 2013 11:52 AM (MaP11)

I fear I know the results Guy....

so I guess I could take the day off...

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:53 AM (TE35l)

370 see things that 99% of the population can't see,
 Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 11:49 AM (cB3Ay)

I can do that with a mirror.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:54 AM (LSDdO)

371 Not a fan of La Palin, but she really doesn't help herself when she can't even spell "sub-par." The MFM is ignoring this message and mocking her for being illiterate instead. Not that she's illiterate. But like I said, she doesn't help herself when she does this kind of stuff. The LSM’s pursuit of “shock ratings” is unreal. Governor Mitt Romney ran for higher office with what I believe is a servant’s heart. He was saddled with some sup-par campaign tactics. That does not make him a bad person nor does it open his children or grandchildren to attacks over a year after the fact. This latest attack from the Left is despicable. Leftist media hounds are not expressing an opinion with this attack; they are expressing a prejudice that would never be accepted if it came from anyone else but the lib media. You really need a conscience, yellow journalists. May your 2014 New Year’s Resolution be to find one.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 31, 2013 06:54 AM (7ObY1)

372 363 grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:51 AM (P6QsQ)


fortunately we are all sinners....

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:54 AM (TE35l)

373 The Jews wandered for 40 years because Vic yelled, "Get off my lawn!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 11:53 AM (zF6Iw)


=================



LOL - Now that right there is funny!

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 06:54 AM (P6QsQ)

374

When you put yourself into a situation where the last sound you'll ever make is "oops" you are a complete fucking fool.

 

Sounds like Mooch and Barky's  wedding night.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 06:55 AM (zF6Iw)

375 MSNBC dolts saying, "One of these things is not like the others". THING?!!. He's not a thing. It's a beautiful little boy. People who say such things stand in need of prayer.
==========
For the lovers of Moloch, the math is easy: If the mother doesn't want him, then it is a "thing."

If it was adopted, then the mother didn't want him--thus, "thing."

Yes, the chains that Jacob Marley forged in life are nothing compared to the shackles the leftists are forging for themselves.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 06:55 AM (VjL9S)

376 @
Well no, BUT there are a class of people who join up just to go to school and render themselves undeployable.

In the case of SMP , there is an 8-10 yr commitment required which  runs concurrent with the initial 4-6 yr enlistment. Double the commitment. The "undeployable" is arguable when considering the "pre-camp" training endured in addition to the full course load, Military science, drill duty and airborne, air assault, Northern Warfare , whatever in the summer.

Upon graduation you have the honor of deploying in a leadership role at around 38k /year so "undeployable" should really read "delayed deployment".

Plenty of enlisted Reserve and NG troops begging to go overseas to collect some sweet sweet tax free cash for playing Xbox. Mikeb trying to label a motivated college student officer-trainee as a REMF and lump them in with the FSA is both disingenuous and inaccurate.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 06:56 AM (5ikDv)

377 368 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 11:53 AM (d0bTF)

Wife was as much a Fobbit as she could be, she went out the gate when called upon never as a hobby....

You know Anna you are a steady hand at the "smart mil" side of things...

you have an opinion on why the newsies are supremely uninterested in comparing rate of casualty per capita this last year to the Bush era?

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 06:56 AM (TE35l)

378 Yep; I think Romney has a servants heart and is a genuinely good and decent man. "You really need a conscience, yellow journalists. May your 2014 New Year’s Resolution be to find one." Well said, blue state rebel.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:56 AM (BC6cY)

379 Yes, very funny, MPPPP.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 06:57 AM (BC6cY)

380 When we're in heaven will we get 24/7 coverage of all the good parts in HELL?

I'd like to know that I'll be able to watch certain folks get their comeuppance (and get it hard, real hard).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 06:57 AM (LSDdO)

381 @359, Yep I've seen the marks and made a few of my own in caves. Was in one once, got down into a place where the air was bad. left an X and explanation about that. Best caving quote EVAH from one of my spelunking buddies back in the day. "The only reason 4 sane men would go out into the woods and climb into a cave is to get away from our wives, Hell, considering the cost of our gear a divorce would be cheaper".

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 31, 2013 06:57 AM (rbP7L)

382 An AI voice in the ear of a diver saying "Return to the surface now or your chances of survival are 27%" might save a few lives.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 06:58 AM (EWsrI)

383 This should cheer up the Moron Horde, Kung Fury is fully funded.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kungfury/kung-fury?ref=home_popular

The one $3,000 pledge is still available.  Pledge that and you get a custom made action figure.  Remember to ask for the Valkyrie with the Uzi. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 06:58 AM (d0bTF)

384 379 Yes, very funny, MPPPP. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:57 AM (BC6cY) --- Very funny!? I wet myself.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 06:58 AM (N/cFh)

385 Career enlisted have always had to pick up the slack for the mugs who are only there to get the bennies and then bounce. --------------------------------- I am going to very carefully qualify this comment. It is absolutely true that the majority of drafted troops during the VN era did their jobs as well as a soldier might, and they are to be saluted and respected for their service. Now, having said that, it is also true that the very worst slackers, and those who were most disruptive to order, efficiency, and effectiveness were draftees. I have always been annoyed when I consider that those who put in 18 months of nothing but consuming resources received all of the same benefits that a volunteer combat ground-pounder who was in for years received. There.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 06:59 AM (aDwsi)

386

Not a fan of La Palin, but she really doesn't help herself when she can't even spell "sub-par." The MFM is ignoring this message and mocking her for being illiterate instead. Not that she's illiterate. But like I said, she doesn't help herself when she does this kind of stuff.

 

When it comes to Palin, I wouldn't trust the MFM for an instant.  Bollixing her spelling would be all in a days' work for the treasonous bastards.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 06:59 AM (zF6Iw)

387 Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 11:59 AM (aDwsi)

You are not alone.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:00 AM (LSDdO)

388 Oh, dear. Do they do a list for most comments of the year too? Slinking away shortly. It's bad enough being a weekly comments winner, much less a winner for the entire year. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 07:00 AM (BC6cY)

389 The Jews wandered for 40 years because Vic yelled, "Get off my lawn!" Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 11:53 AM (zF6Iw) ================= LOL - Now that right there is funny! Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 11:54 AM (P6QsQ) Cain went to live in Nod after he killed Abel. Nod is roughly in the area of current-day Vic's lawn.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 31, 2013 07:00 AM (659DL)

390 331  Oh thank god someone started the process.  The countdown begins

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:00 AM (b7yum)

391 Very funny!? I wet myself.

 

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:58 AM (N/cFh)

 

Please don't tell me that was another bum turn-on.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 07:01 AM (zF6Iw)

392 When life hands you lemonade, find someone whose life gave them vodka and have a party. - Ron White

Posted by: UWP at December 31, 2013 07:01 AM (2hQRj)

393 Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 12:00 PM (b7yum)

He's not a troll, he's a mobi.

(there does that help?)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:01 AM (LSDdO)

394 I donno, I don't dive, but seems to me going cave diving is like going into an underwater maze with a pretty much absolute drop dead time limit.

Posted by: maddogg at December 31, 2013 07:01 AM (xWW96)

395 Not checked today, has the lying state media started to accurately report the protests in Cambodia?  And is the State Department still issuing stupid drivel of being aware and let them know if you are in the country?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:02 AM (d0bTF)

396 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at I agree with you. These are some of the same people who insisted that a Palin, a former state Governor would actually think that Africa was one country and not a continent made up of many countries. It shows the level of their cluelessness and their need to pass on fake quotes..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 07:02 AM (BC6cY)

397 365 I'm quite a fan of some tight places

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:03 AM (b7yum)

398

376:"Plenty of enlisted Reserve and NG troops begging to go overseas to collect some sweet sweet tax free cash for playing Xbox. Mikeb trying to label a motivated college student officer-trainee as a REMF and lump them in with the FSA is both disingenuous and inaccurate."

 
Your example is the exception, not the rule.

 

What is the number of officer trainees dependant on TA compared to the number of four year (or sometimes two year) wonders out there?

 

 

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 07:03 AM (LJpVo)

399 397 So am I

Posted by: BAwney Fwank at December 31, 2013 07:03 AM (b7yum)

400 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 12:02 PM (BC6cY) Geeze, a country that takes up an entire continent, what kinda crazy place would that be .

Posted by: Austrailia at December 31, 2013 07:03 AM (GaqMa)

401 394 maddogg at December 31, 2013 12:01 PM (xWW96)

It's also a case where arguably going towards retro tech would lower the body count....

a long tube of air that doubled as rope would do wonders....

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:03 AM (TE35l)

402 When it comes to Palin, I wouldn't trust the MFM for an instant. Bollixing her spelling would be all in a days' work for the treasonous bastards. Ding ding ding!!!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:04 AM (cB3Ay)

403 Best caving quote EVAH from one of my spelunking buddies back in the day.

"The only reason 4 sane men would go out into the woods and climb into a cave is to get away from our wives, Hell, considering the cost of our gear a divorce would be cheaper".

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 31, 2013 11:57 AM (rbP7L)


Yeah, that guy I referenced up thread.  He "said" he was crazy about his wife and she was fed up with him being gone every weekend.  He was moaning about her leaving him, so I asked him, "How about you don't go caving one weekend a month and spend that time and money on her and/or the kids?" 


His reply, "Screw her, I am here M-F, that is when we should have our relationship and family.  My weekends are mine." 


He was nutz to the MAx.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, shhh, be a little quieter, some of us are trying to sleep. at December 31, 2013 07:04 AM (kXoT0)

404 370 I can do that with a mirror and a speculum

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:04 AM (b7yum)

405 We'll have to wait for the British press to cover it. I haven't seen anything about it in the US.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:04 AM (LSDdO)

406 BTW, FenelonSpoke, I'm not messing with you per se, I just love it when people go "Africa isn't a county, a country can't be a whole continent!" FWIW, I know Africa is multiple countries, strangely though they share a similar set of problems, so I don't think much about the individual countries.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:05 AM (GaqMa)

407 Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 12:03 PM (TE35l)

Now that's my idea of risk. (and believe me it would still be one).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:05 AM (LSDdO)

408 Very funny!? I wet myself. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:58 AM (N/cFh) Please don't tell me that was another bum turn-on. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Depends.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:05 AM (cB3Ay)

409 Oh, dear. Do they do a list for most comments of the year too? ------------------- Uh, oh.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:05 AM (aDwsi)

410 And what is this bullshit about some saying the Pope said there's no longer a Hell?

Sorry. I don't think he said that.

But I know damned good and well the evil that twists one's heart to become a leftists wishes there were no Hell.

When you are dead and gone, your eyes opened to all that which you couldn't see before: You will then and there know all that you denied yourself--all the blessings, all the goodness, all the pure happiness and joy. Merely for the praise of some low creature like you? The self-flattery that you posses some measure of wisdom or knowledge?

I don't have to damn you, I don't have to curse you, I don't have to judge you--you will have plenty of that for yourself and plenty of time for which to do it in.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 07:05 AM (VjL9S)

411 406 tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 12:05 PM (GaqMa)

Hear, hear...!

//Austrailia@Winning!

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:06 AM (TE35l)

412 Depends. Posted by: rickb223 ------------------------ ISWYDT

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:06 AM (aDwsi)

413 409 Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:05 PM (aDwsi)

I may have the opportunity to be quite humble...

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:07 AM (TE35l)

414 "Africa isn't a county, a country can't be a whole continent!" I didn't say that. I said Africa isn't one country and nobody who had paid any attention to any news over the past 40 years would think that, certainly not Palin

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 07:08 AM (BC6cY)

415 >>> Most sordid story regarding Jesus' wacky human ancestors: Judah and his daughter-in-law. I think there were three women listed in Matthew's geneology who would have had their morals questioned. Think about the talk about Mary. If your next door neighbor's daughter made such a claim, would you believe her? Yet, we believe.

Posted by: fluffy at December 31, 2013 07:09 AM (Ua6T/)

416 Are 'Uh,oh' and 'Oops' equivalent. No, I suppose not. 'Uh, oh' generally presages or acknowledges the inevitability of an event. 'Oops' is after the fact. Dammit! There goes another pointless comment into the 2013 comment counter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:11 AM (aDwsi)

417 Think about the talk about Mary. If your next door neighbor's daughter made such a claim, would you believe her?

Maybe if she was Greek.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 07:11 AM (SY2Kh)

418
What is the number of officer trainees dependant on TA compared to the number of four year (or sometimes two year) wonders out there?

I have no idea. There is only one trainee in particular that I am interested in.

It's pretty sad when conservatives work hard to justify Draconian cuts to 10% of the Constitutionally mandated government when a 5 % reduction in benefits to the GS-FSA would accomplish the same thing.

Of course college kids are easy targets.

How did those .223 rounds get from America to your weapon when you needed it most, hardcharger?

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 07:11 AM (5ikDv)

419 Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 12:05 PM (VjL9S) Meh, all the pope did was rehash a few things: 1) anonymous Christian theory 2) the notion that an ever loving God wouldn't damn people. Of course that's not really the Catholic conception of hell anyway, it's detachment from God, by one's own doing in fact. But a lot of people who want to live hedonistic life styles interpret that as "no hell, I get to do what I want." which is the furthest thing from the truth. As I tell a friend of mine "Fuck, I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to do as much good here before I go."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:11 AM (GaqMa)

420 *blinks*
For Dec 31st, Haartz's word of the day is Dagdegan
http://tinyurl.com/l9snbrt

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (d0bTF)

421 @410 RoyalOil - DAMNED STRAIGHT.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (HRp/k)

422 Think about the talk about Mary. If your next door neighbor's daughter made such a claim, would you believe her? Depends. Were those 3 wise men that showed up bearing gifts, or possible baby daddies?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (cB3Ay)

423 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 12:08 PM (BC6cY) I did a followup to that FenelonSpoke, 2 comments down. As I said, you'd be surprised how many people I know who have mocked Palin accordingly by saying "A continent can't be a country, she's stupid."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (GaqMa)

424 As I understand it, the most common last words
of a pilot are: "Oh Shit!"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (LSDdO)

425 No one; not a constitutional scholar; although I know what it looks like and had read a couple of actual words in it. On second thought, I do think that qualifies. Since when does having to prove you're worth a crap first constitute punishment? As Sven says, there's sure a lot of folks sucking up positions that others would like to occupy whom would put in a full career. Not only am I saying that as a constitutional scholar, but an E-1 through 6, then a labotomy to get a commission. So I actually used TA,after upgrading in my AFSC so I could deploy; which I did. A lot. Most of my schoolwork was completed while TDY/deployed. But I knew what came first. For an increasing number I think the "first" is max out the benefits, I'll work in the job around my busy busy schedule. Baldi: don't know what that means, sorry.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 07:12 AM (fnZRh)

426 the notion that an ever loving God wouldn't damn people.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 12:11 PM (GaqMa)

God doesn't damn people to Hell. They do it themselves.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:14 AM (LSDdO)

427

WTF??? Let's Make a Deal isn't on @ 9 anymore?

This country is going to SHIT

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:14 AM (b7yum)

428 "417 Think about the talk about Mary. If your next door neighbor's daughter made such a claim, would you believe her? Maybe if she was Greek. Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 31, 2013 12:11 PM (SY2Kh)" LOL. That is a good point. Demi-gods got conceived that way all the time back then. Th Ancient Aliens peeps would say these were all metaphors for artificial insemination.

Posted by: votermom at December 31, 2013 07:14 AM (GSIDW)

429 414 "Africa isn't a county, a country can't be a whole continent!" Australia.

Posted by: John Roberts at December 31, 2013 07:15 AM (cHwSy)

430 God doesn't damn people to Hell. They do it themselves.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LSDdO)


--------------



Silly, isn't it.  He says, Come home.  They say No thanks. 


Why?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 07:15 AM (P6QsQ)

431 424 As I understand it, the most common last words
of a pilot are: "Oh Shit!"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:12 PM (LSDdO)


I knew a geology professor who was ex-Air Force. He once said "The flight wasn't too bad - only three 'oh shits' and four 'Hail Marys'..."

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 31, 2013 07:16 AM (HRp/k)

432 @ 403, Sherry McEvil, Yep..I had more than a few insane caving buddies back in the day. Anyone who caves is slightly (or terribly) insane. Happy New Year BTW. Its after 1 AM in China and the new year has arrived here. As the sun (or moon) winds its bright , illuminating path across this 'ball of confusion" we live on, I wish you and yours (and all the Ron's and Ette's) a Happy, Healthy , Prosperous New Year.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at December 31, 2013 07:16 AM (n0tKQ)

433 408 Very funny!? I wet myself. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 11:58 AM (N/cFh) Please don't tell me that was another bum turn-on. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Depends. Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:05 PM (cB3Ay) --- I was gonna say I see what you did there, but Mike Hammer beat me to it. The joke, not the peeing.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 07:16 AM (N/cFh)

434 God doesn't damn people to Hell. They do it themselves. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LSDdO) == This. 100%.

Posted by: votermom at December 31, 2013 07:16 AM (GSIDW)

435 Grey Fox, It seems like we are arguing the same point except I don't think that 'foolishness' or 'recklessness' in warfare and the ability to learn and heed lessons that are genetic functions of self preservation in nature are comparable. Seems to me that warfare as practiced by humans is the result of political ideology be it from desire to control/eradicate a threat or to preserve oneself from a threat. Military training develops and refines tactical thinking that necessitates risk taking. There doesn't need to be any genetic component for that practice to be operable or effective. Human pride and arrogance, or being overconfident simply augment that condition. Thermopylae was a tactical decision made for the express purpose of warfare. Boone's excursion and Custer's charge were tactical decisions; bad ones, but decisions none the less. Genetics in nature favors those individuals and populations that avoid unnecessary risky behavior. Risky behavior in nature is purely for self-preservation. Lessons learned from parents and from observation tend to preserve life. Genetics, in the form of inability to learn those lessons seems to cull the herd. Animals do not naturally engage in behavior that they know will get them killed unless they are driven to that by circumstances beyond their control. The dad who disregarded everything he had been taught, and ended up killing himself and his son did not do so as the result of any 'conditioning' or 'training' or even the result of some compelling circumstance(s). It was the result of sheer stupidity. Stupidity is not the inability to learn, it is the unwillingness to learn (or to act on that knowledge). It is my opinion that stupidity is genetic.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 07:16 AM (60Vyp)

436 Actually, I think Africa, which really has no strong governments, is ripe to be taken over and made a single country. All that is lacking is a leader smart enough, determined enough, and bloody enough to make it happen.

Posted by: maddogg at December 31, 2013 07:17 AM (xWW96)

437 COJH: Then I talked with a guy at school who had spent some time in the GOM doing commercial diving....in visibility 5' There was visibility?

Posted by: lindafell at December 31, 2013 07:17 AM (PGO8C)

438 this thread has a slight  aroma to it, like day old socks.

Posted by: willow at December 31, 2013 07:18 AM (nqBYe)

439 426 Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LSDdO)

Yup, the double edged sword of freewill.

Satan loves mankinds' indulgence of its worst to point at us and say "THEY are unworthy of you love lord....pick me pick me!"

God points to the damned and says "they were unworthy, these are my most beautiful creatures Lucifer for they CHOSE to follow me and admit their sin and repent."

Simplest paradigm in the world to grasp.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:18 AM (TE35l)

440 Baldi: don't know what that means, sorry.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 12:12 PM (fnZRh) 


Baldi: don't know what that means, sorry.

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 12:12 PM (fnZRh)

You don't know what fyt means? Perhaps you would recognize it this way: F.Y.T.


Posted by: baldilocks--retired REMF at December 31, 2013 07:19 AM (36Rjy)

441 Africa gave birth to us about 150,000 years ago. It's a little fucked up now, but a good dose of capitalism and the rule of law will set it aright.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:19 AM (EWsrI)

442 41 15>> "No, you were definitely callous. One can make a point without being an asshole about it." The father killed his kid for lack of a $23 line-spooler. That makes him an idiot in my book not entitled to compassion.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 31, 2013 07:19 AM (6fSty)

443 God doesn't damn people to Hell. They do it themselves.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LSDdO)

That by the way is the message that Christ brought to the Jews and Gentiles of the world. That we were not destined to Hell forever and always for everyone.

That belief in God's son was sufficient to prevent that fate.

It was necessary to do it that way so as to make saving oneself an affirmative act and not a direct gift. The gift is in the opportunity.

God has always been about free will. You can go to Hell or not. The choice is yours. It's something most non Christians don't understand or get wrong. Christians don't believe we're better than anyone else that we're less sinful.

Just that we are blessed with a chance to avoid the result.

And ANYONE can participate. That too was part of the message that Jesus brought to earth.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:20 AM (LSDdO)

444 Reading the link at Drudge where the MSNBC idiot insulted the Romney family for having a black adopted grandkid, I came across this nugget:

"For her part, Harris-Perry imagined Kieran Romney and North West, the daughter of Kanye West and Kim Kardashian, marrying in the future."

So, the funny thing they were laughing at on the show was that a Republican would adopt a black kid, NOT that Kanye West and his imbecile trophy wife of no accomplishment except having an enormous ass named their daughter NORTH WEST.

Holy fuck, these people are stupid.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 31, 2013 07:21 AM (TM1p8)

445 eman: The tech ain't there yet.

Air consumption rate is based on exertion and how tired you are. Most rebreather operators keep a simple blood O2 gauge clipped to their ear, and manually add O2 to their mix, because too many divers have been killed by automated gear failing, and the diver being too trusting, and not keeping an eye on his blood O2 level.

I am certainly not going to put my life in the hands of some damned programmer ... that is like voluntarily flying on an Airbus ... ermmm, nevermind.


A current shifts, and your consumption rate changes. Lines, markers, and other breadcrumbs only work well if you are the first person there ... a lot of Florida caves are littered with abandoned guide ropes.

Nothing replaces training, except deciding to let someone else do this instead.

Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 07:21 AM (c6N69)

446 I remain confident that Ace will show up in the next 4 hours and give us another, fresher thread.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 07:21 AM (y4ys9)

447 Africa gave birth to us about 150,000 years ago.

It's a little fucked up now, but a good dose of capitalism and the rule of law will set it aright.


Could we get some of that in the USA?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 31, 2013 07:21 AM (4WhSY)

448 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LSDdO) which I said, two lines down .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:22 AM (GaqMa)

449 Cicero Kid: Doesn't help much when the cave is littered with $29 lines left by divers that were in a hurry to get back to all that free air on the surface.

Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 07:22 AM (c6N69)

450 By the by, I hope everyone now understands why I no longer believe in going Outside unless absolutely necessary, what with all the many ways Outside keeps trying to kill me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 07:23 AM (VtjlW)

451 Jesus was African.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 07:23 AM (09CLD)

452 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (VtjlW) Oh, I think this is a challenge to load up my twitter feed with all sorts of pictures I've taken from my days at the field station...

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:24 AM (GaqMa)

453 451 soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:23 PM (09CLD)

so was PW Bhota Africa is a place.....

the place we see is the result of a lot of decisions and indulgences....

and no I am not snarking I think we are happily trying to emulate Africa here.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:24 AM (TE35l)

454 427 Well here's some Wayne Brady to tide you over:  http://tinyurl.com/p53j2d

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:24 AM (b7yum)

455

418: "It's pretty sad when conservatives work hard to justify Draconian cuts to 10% of the Constitutionally mandated government when a 5 % reduction in benefits to the GS-FSA would accomplish the same thing."

 

I guess that's the crux of where we disagree. I just don't think that having a mug complete his first enlistment before he gets TA INSTEAD of having TA covereage amounts cut is all that draconian.

 

The way I see it, doing so provides two positives. It cuts out the slackers, and it preserves the TA benefit for those who actually contribute to the mission.

 

As for who brought over my bullets? I did. In pallet loads on the C-5s, 141s, and 130s that I crewed.

 

While we are discussing how I transported my hard charging bullets, let it be known that I have had to take many an extra flight because some four year wonder was working harder on his BS in Underwater Basket Weaving that he was on finishing his 5 level training.

But then I guess you said all that needs to be said when you opine "There is only one trainee in particular that I am interested in".

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 07:24 AM (OJn3e)

456 alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting:

Those daddy long legs are going to get you.

Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (c6N69)

457 PW Botha apologies.....

"African"

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (TE35l)

458 430 MY will be done.  Explains it all.

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (b7yum)

459 Oh, I think this is a challenge to load up my twitter feed with all sorts of pictures I've taken from my days at the field station... Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 12:24 PM (GaqMa) I will cut a bitch.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (VtjlW)

460 Happy New Year BTW. Its after 1 AM in China and the new year has arrived here. As the sun (or moon) winds its bright , illuminating path across this 'ball of confusion" we live on, I wish you and yours (and all the Ron's and Ette's) a Happy, Healthy , Prosperous New Year. Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean Since you entered 2014 first, you too!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (cB3Ay)

461 Best blooper of 2013? Me.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (Dwehj)

462 Well said, blue state rebel. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 11:56 AM (BC6cY) Eeeh, maybe, except he then goes whole hog buying the propagandist "story" about Palin not knowing how to spell. Subpar or sub-par? I've seen it both ways. Hyphengate!

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 07:25 AM (N/cFh)

463 And ANYONE can participate. That too was part of the message that Jesus brought to earth. The Irish too?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:26 AM (cB3Ay)

464 The body count list must not include Orc deaths.

Posted by: fantasy geek at December 31, 2013 07:27 AM (3MNCs)

465 Hail Britannia as it sinks beneath the waves.

The saying used to be 'mad dogs and Englishmen out in the noon day sun.'  So I am not sure how Patrick Stewart mooing on a podcast is indicative of any remaining vestige of English stiff upper lip.

http://tinyurl.com/mnvyuva

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:27 AM (d0bTF)

466 The Irish too?

Don't push it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 31, 2013 07:27 AM (4WhSY)

467 463 rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:26 PM (cB3Ay)

even the SCANDIS well except the Finns....


Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (TE35l)

468 History will remember mine as the Blooper Presidency.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (Dwehj)

469 I don't get it. What does Harris-Perry think is so funny about Kieran Romney and North West possibly marrying some day? Even if they had the same politics as their parents, people never marry people who don't share their politics? Of course they do. MSNBC stretching in their level of stupidity.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (BC6cY)

470 440 Or FY2.  I recognized it so easily 'cuz I hear it alot

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (b7yum)

471 463 And ANYONE can participate. That too was part of the message that Jesus brought to earth. The Irish too? Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 12:26 PM (cB3Ay) Scandis can go to Heaven, but they have to keep their hands in their pockets at all times.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (EWsrI)

472 If you can hear us, could you guys start using high-wattage incandescent bulbs? Thank you, that should do the trick.

Posted by: @Antarctica at December 31, 2013 07:28 AM (FcR7P)

473 they will remember Obama's presidency as Jimmy Carter's second term and Bush's Third.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:29 AM (LSDdO)

474 Actually, I think Africa, which really has no strong governments, is ripe to be taken over and made a single country. All that is lacking is a leader smart enough, determined enough, and bloody enough to make it happen. Posted by: maddogg I don't think you could be more wrong than that if you tried. The larger problem with Africa is that the notion of a the Westphalian nation-state as it is understood by Western Man does not apply in Africa. Tribalism continues to align the thinking and behavior of most people in Africa. The bloody civil war that has claimed over 5 million lives in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in the last 20 year is a small example of the likely outcome of what you propose. Bloody mindedness doesn't begin to describe what would be required. The United States, Canada and Mexico have a lot more in common and would be more easily united than all of Africa. Do you think THAT would be a good idea? And how bloody minded should we be for that to happen? What "Africa" needs is to discard all the false socialism imposed on them from the West. What they are likely to get in the next 50 years is Chinese mercantilism, as the Chinese have the energy and the material demands to get involved there in pseudo-colonialist ways to extract resources. And we will all be appalled by it. Sure.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 31, 2013 07:29 AM (dCwZe)

475
About the father/son tragedy in Florida, I've read that most fatal accidents occur among moderately experienced divers: those with enough dives in their logbook to think that they know it all, but not enough dives to realize just how little they actually know. The same, I've heard, is true for pilots.

A little learning is indeed a dangerous thing.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 31, 2013 07:29 AM (VrNoa)

476

Subpar or sub-par? I've seen it both ways. Hyphengate!

 

Except the Palin quote read "sup-par."  Maybe it was a mistake on her part, but considering the MSM's known enemy action and willingness to correct the dog-eating crackhead's gaffes, I'd lay even money on sabotage.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 07:29 AM (zF6Iw)

477 "There was visibility?" Posted by: lindafell The GOM isn't completely turbid. Just a few miles out you can get really good viz; enough to spearfish on the rigs and the Flower Gardens Bank National Marine Sanctuary has visibility that rivals Cozumel.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 31, 2013 07:29 AM (60Vyp)

478
[[i]The way I see it, doing so providestwo positives. It cuts out the slackers, and it preserves the TA benefit for those who actually contribute to the mission.

So all servicemembers who are college students and not you are non-contributing slackers. Awesome.

And you pretty much said it all right there.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 07:31 AM (5ikDv)

479 Well, if the worst happens, all those folks on the ice will know they were martyrs to the cause.

Cause they were stooopid. And a bit arrogant. And ignorant.

What's the word on supplies?

Any cannabalism stories yet?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:31 AM (LSDdO)

480 BC's Andre Williams poised to pass a few big names on the all-time college rushing list today. Matt Forte, LaDainian Tomlinson, Ricky Williams....

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 07:31 AM (ZshNr)

481 Unfortunately, unless you are one of the "takers", my bloopers can have powerfully negative life-altering consequences for you.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at December 31, 2013 07:31 AM (Dwehj)

482 Anna - As the sun slowly sets on The Empire

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:32 AM (aDwsi)

483 477 ...and I'm not completely TURGID!!!

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:32 AM (b7yum)

484 What time does football start?  Will Ace be up by then?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (P6QsQ)

485 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 12:25 PM (VtjlW) I chickened out and instead posted one of my pretty pictures from this past weeks walk around the lake.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (GaqMa)

486 *sprays Febreeze and opens a window*

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (EWsrI)

487 I will cut a bitch. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 12:25 PM (VtjlW) Not if the bitch goes outside. Apparently.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (N/cFh)

488 482 Empire of the Sun is one of the greatest movies of all time

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (b7yum)

489 Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (dCwZe)

This^^

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (LSDdO)

490 Well WSJ and VoA seem to mention the protests in Cambodia are about new non-tainted national elections.  They still toss in the garment workers as part of story. 

Word of advice, for the near future strike Cambodia off your travel itinerary.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:33 AM (d0bTF)

491 A current shifts, and your consumption rate changes. Lines, markers, and other breadcrumbs only work well if you are the first person there ... a lot of Florida caves are littered with abandoned guide ropes. Nothing replaces training, except deciding to let someone else do this instead. Posted by: Kristophr at December 31, 2013 12:21 PM (c6N69) The line spooler is attached to the diver so he can follow his own line out. There is a lot of information missing in this story. I line spooler does not keep you from losing track of breathing air, but running out of breathing air is a pretty big mistake to make for TWO divers, much less one.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 31, 2013 07:34 AM (6fSty)

492 487 Or has eight legs

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:34 AM (b7yum)

493 Any cannabalism stories yet? Posted by: Bitter Clinger ------------- Nope. They are occupying themselves doing yoga and taking Spanish lessons. I would make a snarky comment here, but out of respect for Gingy (and concern for my own well-being), I will refrain.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:34 AM (aDwsi)

494 Word of advice, for the near future strike Cambodia off your travel itinerary.

There goes my vacation plans.

http://youtu.be/-KTsXHXMkJA

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 31, 2013 07:36 AM (4WhSY)

495 I saw Empire of the Sun open for Billy Thorpe in '80.

Posted by: That concert guy at December 31, 2013 07:36 AM (Dwehj)

496 About the father/son tragedy in Florida, I've read that most fatal accidents occur among moderately experienced divers: those with enough dives in their logbook to think that they know it all, but not enough dives to realize just how little they actually know. The same, I've heard, is true for pilots. A little learning is indeed a dangerous thing. Posted by: Brown Line at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (VrNoa) I think that's true of pretty much any endeavor. First starting out, you're so nervous and paranoid you over compensate. Once you're experienced, you know just how badly it can go. In between? Here, hold my beer.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 07:36 AM (VtjlW)

497 They are supposed to helicopter the Darwin candidates to the Chinese icebreaker Xue Long, weather permitting.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:36 AM (d0bTF)

498 Except the Palin quote read "sup-par." Maybe it was a mistake on her part, but considering the MSM's known enemy action and willingness to correct the dog-eating crackhead's gaffes, I'd lay even money on sabotage. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (zF6Iw) So...typogate? Every time I think those people can't sink any lower I'm proven wrong.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 31, 2013 07:36 AM (N/cFh)

499 speaking of footballs.. as we can now clearly see, that whole Richie Icognito thing was bullshit. Also, notice how all the gay player talk ceased when the season started? It will resume again after the Super Bowl. Again, bullshit. And the NFL is a big player in all this media b.s.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 07:37 AM (09CLD)

500 493 Any cannabalism stories yet? Posted by: Bitter Clinger ------------- Nope. They are occupying themselves doing yoga and taking Spanish lessons. I would make a snarky comment here, but out of respect for Gingy (and concern for my own well-being), I will refrain. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:34 PM (aDwsi) I like videos of the penguins cracking up laughing and pointing at them.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:37 AM (EWsrI)

501 436 Actually, I think Africa, which really has no strong governments, is ripe to be taken over and made a single country. All that is lacking is a leader smart enough, determined enough, and bloody enough to make it happen.
========
Risk or Stratego?

But seriously, there are two, three huge things preventing that.

The logistics of crossing the Sahara and the jungles.
No pre-existing national identity.
Rampant and deeply ingrained tribalism.

Even if you've the oil fields of Libya or Nigeria, you still lack a local industrial base.

Now, it would be possible if you've a partner with China, who's willing to lend huge amounts of military hardware and, possibly, troops.

For those paying attention: China is making a lot of moves in Africa. And I'm sure you all know the typical Chinese view of anyone not Chinese.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 07:37 AM (VjL9S)

502 BC vs. Arizona on now. ESPN. Advocare 100 Bowl.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2013 07:37 AM (ZshNr)

503 I chickened out and instead posted one of my pretty pictures from this past weeks walk around the lake. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 12:33 PM (GaqMa) Okay, fine, I agree that is pretty. Polly says SOON.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 07:37 AM (VtjlW)

504 497 Is that pronounced "Huey Long"???

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:38 AM (b7yum)

505 running out of breathing air is a pretty big mistake to make for TWO divers, much less one. Yet, a surprisingly predictable outcome when you are underwater.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2013 07:38 AM (y4ys9)

506 499 soothsayer at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (09CLD)

Part of why I am weaning myself of Roger Goody's league...

besides I prefer the College game this season...Auburn is playing awesome ball.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:39 AM (TE35l)

507 I'm a mom/adoptive mom, 3 of my kids are black. There is no pleasing people especially lefties. I have a professional career. I'm divorced. I'm LDS. It was terrible when we lived in Georgia. I even had jdges and social workers that thought I shoul stay home and collect benefits.. More harrassment from leftists and people of color than anyone. Now I live in a conservative Western state and no one hassels us. Imagine that!

Posted by: small town girl at December 31, 2013 07:39 AM (fbrwf)

508 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 12:37 PM (VtjlW) FWIW, it was 60 degrees that day, showing how cold it's been here the last few weeks that that sucker was still frozen....

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 31, 2013 07:39 AM (GaqMa)

509 That shur is won subbbar potatoe.

Posted by: Saruh Paylun at December 31, 2013 07:40 AM (EWsrI)

510 Can't believe we're not having an actual "PP/ACA Bowl". Sounds like an appropriate waste of taxpayer funds.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 31, 2013 07:40 AM (lQ5/A)

511 I was just joking COJH, I've dove a few rigs before. The vis is much better when you get out from the shore a way. I never did get to dive the flower gardens, I tried booking a few times and the trips wound up getting cancelled because of weather/ conditions. Now, little kids, by the time they get old enough to leave, I'll be too old to dive more than touristy Cozumel

Posted by: lindafell at December 31, 2013 07:41 AM (PGO8C)

512 In before the trolls.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (EWsrI)

513 Hey AlextheChick, this could be amusing
http://www.ufunk.net/en/techno/facerig/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (d0bTF)

514 I don't get it. What does Harris-Perry think is so funny about Kieran Romney and North West possibly marrying some day? Even if they had the same politics as their parents, people never marry people who don't share their politics? Of course they do. MSNBC stretching in their level of stupidity.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 31, 2013 12:28 PM (BC6cY)



Exactly.  James Carville is married to Mary Matalin, of all people.  Two more politically opposite people cannot be imagined. 

Why do I suddenly have this image that says Michelle Obama should really have married Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, rather than Barky o'Fuckstick?  Heh.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (TM1p8)

515 Also, notice how all the gay player talk ceased when the season started? It will resume again after the Super Bowl. Again, bullshit. And the NFL is a big player in all this media b.s.
======
It's already started.

That vile POS Hilton is pushing a "Aaron Rodgers is teh ghey!" story pretty hard.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (VjL9S)

516 Any cannabalism stories yet? Posted by: Bitter Clinger ------------- Nope. They are occupying themselves doing yoga and taking Spanish lessons. I would make a snarky comment here, but out of respect for Gingy (and concern for my own well-being), I will refrain. Posted by: Mike Hammer They might want to take some seal & penguin hunting lessons & a fire building course......

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:42 AM (cB3Ay)

517

478: "So all servicemembers who are college students and not you are non-contributing slackers. Awesome."

 

I truly hope OCS will help you develop your reading comprehension.

 

Let's try to parse this a little bit and see if we can illuminate this for you.

 

At no point did I use the term "all". But if this eludes you, I'l spell it out.

 

Not all servicemembers who go so school, college or otherwise are slacking.

 

But if you spend more time on your schooling than you do on the job you are collecting a paycheck to perform...you just might be a slacker.

 

If you are collecting academic certifications faster than you collect military certs...you might be a slacker.

 

If someone else has to take your mission slot because you are in school, and you don't take their slot in the next misssion...you might be a slacker.

 

If the only reason you entered into military service was to avoid as much service as you can while collecting the most benefits...you might be a slacker.

 

Even the greenest of new enlistees should be able to grasp this. But if you can't, then you will fit in well with the reformed officer corps.

 

Good luck to you, and more importantly, those under you.... Sir.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 07:44 AM (Kh+vp)

518 Putin vows total annihilation of terrorists... Just watch the damned Olympics of your home big screen because there will be bystander casualties. Remember how they dealt with terrorists in a theater: killed the audience as well in order to totally annihilate the terrorists.

Posted by: panzernashorn at December 31, 2013 07:44 AM (MhA4j)

519 Perez must feel irrelevant these days. Just another attention whore/smear merchant.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 31, 2013 07:44 AM (09CLD)

520 475
About the father/son tragedy in Florida, I've read that most fatal accidents occur among moderately experienced divers: those with enough dives in their logbook to think that they know it all, but not enough dives to realize just how little they actually know. The same, I've heard, is true for pilots.

A little learning is indeed a dangerous thing.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (VrNoa)

The father should have known better than to head into a cave system.  That's drilled into students' heads in Open Water certification.  OW is a beginning cert, and even if this guy had Advanced OW, that's diddly squat compared to what he needed. 

I'm Ice (overhead environment), Underwater Nav, Search and Recovery (black water rivers) certified, with a great deal of practical experience.  I won't go near a cave system.  They kill, sometimes even experienced cave divers.  The father was damned irresponsible.

Looks like Mom went solo diving to look for them.  Also generally a no-no, although she may have been capable of self-rescue.

Funny you mention pilots:  The "Killing Zone", or the time when general aviation pilots tend to buy the farm, is between 100 and 500 hours.  That's post-instruction, pre-"enough experience".

Posted by: SARDiver at December 31, 2013 07:44 AM (LgxPj)

521 Genealogy explained, there is a ginger involved, naturally: http://tinyurl.com/7ym9kkt

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 07:44 AM (aDwsi)

522 Well, in the sidebar, Mother Jones finally cops to the truth that there is no economic recovery.

But they do it over the panic that UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE GOING TO END OMG ELEVENTY!!!! and that you can't cut all these people loose into this economy!!!!!


Posted by: --- at December 31, 2013 07:45 AM (MMC8r)

523 Glad to see history does sometimes get corrected. I grew up being told the Chinese invented gun powder but it took Europeans to invent the gun. I always was leery of that statement, as the Chinese ain't stoopid or immune to war. Of course it was bullshit. The Chinese did invent the firearm, and used them against the Mongols.

Posted by: maddogg at December 31, 2013 07:45 AM (xWW96)

524

Are you guys still here?

 

WTF happened? cobs on a bender again?

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 07:45 AM (3ZtZW)

525 521 Genealogy explained, there is a ginger involved, naturally: http://tinyurl.com/7ym9kkt Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (aDwsi) -- DAMMIT

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at December 31, 2013 07:46 AM (N/cFh)

526 In before the trolls. Posted by: eman MAx is already here. j/k DAve.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 31, 2013 07:46 AM (cB3Ay)

527 518 panzernashorn at December 31, 2013 12:44 PM (MhA4j)

I most likely will not be watching the Olympics if I were a Russian I'd know I had a leader in charge who hates Terrorists and will kill as many as it takes to get it to abate.

Living in America I know I have a leader who hates domestic dissidence and will allow as many Americans as needed to die to feed political correctness.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 31, 2013 07:46 AM (TE35l)

528 Ace is up.  Kinda.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 31, 2013 07:46 AM (P6QsQ)

529

>>>Any cannabalism stories yet?

 

Well, the thread has been here awhile, but I can't see any of you to tell who's good eats or what

Posted by: Bigby's Expressive Wrists at December 31, 2013 07:47 AM (3ZtZW)

530 I see an SNL skit where the trapped Antarctic adventurers decide whom to eat first. Obviously, the least credentialed one is picked, but he whips out a race card and steps aside. The camera swings to the face of terrified runner-up.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2013 07:47 AM (EWsrI)

531

Nood Ace.

 

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at December 31, 2013 07:48 AM (u1jJP)

532

"Well, the thread has been here awhile..."

 

Challenge: Get the post count to 1000!

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 31, 2013 07:48 AM (v6cwT)

533 nood

Posted by: zipline Bob at December 31, 2013 07:49 AM (W6iIX)

534 Hey AlextheChick, this could be amusing http://www.ufunk.net/en/techno/facerig/ Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 12:42 PM (d0bTF) I need that. When I was screaming Fus Ro Dah at my tv last night, it occurred to me to be amazed that I have this little piece of hardware that didn't cost that much sitting there that will allow voice and gesture commands. It's an incredible piece of engineering I use to play games. Good times, good times.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at December 31, 2013 07:49 AM (VtjlW)

535 ...and then they voted for Obama.

Posted by: Darwin at December 31, 2013 07:53 AM (RJMhd)

536 526 I'd reply to that with a rambling non-sequitor but I'm too disoriented 'cuz they replaced Let's Make a Deal with Queen Latifah

Posted by: MAx at December 31, 2013 07:53 AM (b7yum)

537 I am about to drop that little gem on my gaming and fur-friends.  Should be amusing.

Of course if enough Morons use that, we would really need a meet place.  Just to drive the stukach nuts as Cmdr Furry plots with Demon Lord Sid and Magical Girl Ginny to resist the Borg...

http://www.facerig.com/faq.php

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2013 07:55 AM (d0bTF)

538 I think that woman that won the $157,000 car on the P{rice is right should donate the car to President Obama to help people starving in this country during this hard winter. This woman is selfish and only thinks about herself unlike Michelle Obama helping the children of Hawaii during Christmas.

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at December 31, 2013 08:00 AM (iB0Q2)

539 I saw Empire of the Sun open for Billy Thorpe in '80.

Seriously, I think there's an Australian group called Empire of the Sun. For Realz.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at December 31, 2013 08:01 AM (PgNb6)

540 527. Sven10077 No doubt. My first response reading the headline: how else, given a real threat? But the other day, when the joke was WHY THAT LOCATION for the Olypmics? I figured the pay-off to the selection committee gave Putin free hand in advance to make every "threat" disappear, all those pesky complainers; and of course, to expect the strong arm to re-engage Stasi style state police, martial law given the public specter demand for SAFETY. All sports events, no matter where, reason for everyone's cavities be searched. Revisionists have made up the new "spectator sport" -- no holds barred. Privacy? Never in public. Modern Olympics mark the return of war given the Titans. http://tinyurl.com/6q3gqrz Better to keep one's distance.

Posted by: panzernashorn at December 31, 2013 08:05 AM (MhA4j)

541 @517


Take it from a guy who is far too old to go to OCS but who's son is fighting for a career as a leader despite the current climate (including self righteous jerks who took the bennies but now want to "reapportion" them according to their own personal fantasy) - the unexamined life is not worth living and sweeping generalizations of people are rarely if ever accurate.

You seem to be quite an expert on other people's slacking. Obsessed almost.

Lots of protest. Methinks too much.

Thanks for your service.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 31, 2013 08:12 AM (5ikDv)

542 Facerig, huh. SOE came out with something called "SOEmote" that seems similar, though it's limited to the context of the games it's in (EQ2, possibly others). And the performance leaves something to be desired, especially if you have glasses or facial hair (lucky me, I sport both)...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 31, 2013 08:14 AM (naUcP)

543 475 A little learning is indeed a dangerous thing. Posted by: Brown Line at December 31, 2013 12:29 PM (VrNoa) The first time I ever heard that phrase was in the context of a chess game. Hardly a life and death situation, but it made an impression on me.

Posted by: rickl at December 31, 2013 08:17 AM (zoehZ)

544 1. Baldi? Is it for your thoughts? Cause the other thing I googled said it was hard core rap. Noone. Youre drifting. And let's not get snippy; I think we're among friends. The civilian thing is an entirely different issue. As I brought up in my first post. This administration seems intent on transferring benefits to civilians by taking them from those who've honorably served, and ultimately retired from the service. Ask about TSP benefits. Civilians get matched, active duty doesn't. How on earth is that right? We could go on... You've got a ROTC kid or something? Good for you. Sincerely. But don't confuse what he's going through with what a current enlisted/CGO is going through. Your kid is getting dollars based on what we HOPE he will become. I just don't see why it would be considered unreasonable to prove yourself first. I was a mustang; I was better for it. I was a proven commodity prior to being given the responsibility for a lot of people and things. Oh, and about your leadership comment; enlisted folks are "leading" too, for a lot less money. As a matter of opinion, it is a ill trained LT who disregards the council of his senior enlisted. And dangerous too. So, your kid, or whomever is doing an honorable thing. But he/she is not contributing to the mission. Maybe one day. But, not now. My military would look a lot like Starship Troopers. Everybody fights. Most commissions happen from below, and those that don't have a combat tour or few under their belts before given real rank. You're going out of your way to be offended. Your kid isn't a REMF because they aren't in the system at all, to me. I don't count the academies, ROTC, etc as part of the war fighting machine. Our services seem to be more protective of the rear echelons now that the folks whole actually are the pointy end. Granted, it takes a lot of support to care for the force: the rear echelons. I just don't think those should be military slots. If you want to earn your military retirement, you should take your turn in the barrel. If not, you need to be a civilian. Without TSP matching. I've said it here before. One of the hardest things I ever did was quit the service that I loved. Google mike and why I quit. A sincere happy new year to all

Posted by: Mikeb at December 31, 2013 08:51 AM (fnZRh)

545 Inexplicably, ace missed this link about the ObamaCare disaster... http://tinyurl.com/konz56k "More than 2.1 million people have enrolled in private insurance plans the marketplace, she said. An additional 3.9 million Americans were found eligible for coverage through Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in October and November, with that figure including some renewals and new eligibility. Those figures do not include 3 million young Americans in their 20s currently enrolled on their parent’s health insurance." Clearly ACA will be repealed any day now, because taking insurance away from 9 million people is a winning strategy that Republicans should undertake immediately.

Posted by: TommyVee at December 31, 2013 11:37 AM (gjYWs)

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