April 29, 2009

Nancy Pelosi on 60 Votes: "Now We Can Get Things Done Without Explaining Process"
— Ace

I think she means "explaining anything to the American people at all," but that's my own personal take-away.

Very exciting, very exciting for the American people, because now we can get things done without explaining process," Pelosi told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Compromisin' and bipartisanship are hard.

What sorts of things will Granny Rictus McBotoxImplants get done without having to explain herself? Well, I fear cap-and-trade is very much back on the table. And worse than ever.

Dick Morris thinks Obama's already planted the seeds of his own demise. But seeds take time to grow.

So if voters differ so fundamentally with the president on the very essence of his program, why do they accord him high ratings? They are like the recently married bride who took her vows 100 days ago. It would be a disaster for her life if she decides that she really doesn’t like her husband. But she keeps noticing things about him that she can’t stand. It will be a while before she walks out the door or even comes to terms with her own doubts, but it is probably inevitable that she will.

For Americans to conclude that they disapprove of their president in the midst of an earth-shaking crisis is very difficult. But as Obama’s daily line moves from “I inherited this mess” to “There are faint signs of light,” the clock starts ticking. If there is no recovery for the next six months — and I don’t think there will be — Obama will inevitably become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

And then will come his heavy lifting. He has yet to raise taxes, regiment healthcare or provide amnesty for illegal immigrants. He hasn’t closed down the car companies he now runs and he has not yet forced a 50 percent hike in utility bills with his cap-and-trade legislation. These are all the goodies he has in store for us all.

Obama’s very activism these days arrogates to himself the blame for the success or failure of his policies. Their outcome will determine his outcome, and there is no way it will be positive.

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So Mr. Obama should enjoy his poll numbers while he may.

We are in for a bad two years -- at least. We can hope that the public will finally react badly to these ruinous liberal insanities, but that's about the limits of our political clout at the moment.

And bear in mind: Even if we take back Congress, we can't just overturn these poisonous laws. The Democrats will have the power of filibuster -- and can stop us from overturning laws with only 40 Senate votes.

The Democrats may or may not be in the process of slitting their own throats. If they are, they're like suicide bombers, and will be taking a lot of Americans with them on their way to political heaven.

And in the near-term: Only 23% self-identify as Republicans, a Pew poll says.

In more than 7,000 interviews conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2009, just 23 percent of voters self-identify as members of the Grand Old Party. That's down from 30 percent as recently as 2004, and the trend shows no signs of slowing.

In the first four months of the year, Pew researchers found the number of self-identified Republicans dropping from 25 percent in January to just 22 percent in April.

The good news is that our losses are largely going to the "independent" category, which I assume means they still lean conservative, but are dissatisfied with the party due to a variety of factors -- too conservative, not conservative enough, incompetent and corrupt. Take your pick.

A total of 35 percent of voters call themselves Democrats, up just two points from 2004. In the past four months, Democratic identification has actually dropped four points, to 33 percent, while those who call themselves independents has risen to 39 percent.

That could explain Rasussen's finding that the GOP actually leads on the congressional generic ballot 41-38, leading for only the second time in five years. More people tend to embrace the Republican/conservative idea of governance than are willing to embrace the actual Republican Party.

Obama's judicial picks are going to be woeful. He won't even have to appoint stealth-liberals who've taken some pains to obscure their strong ideological tendencies. He can just appoint out-and-proud liberals -- even left-liberals -- and the GOP can't say boo about it.

Posted by: Ace at 10:19 AM | Comments (136)
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1 And bear in mind: Even if we take back Congress, we can't just overturn these poisonous laws. The Democrats will have the power of filibuster -- and can stop us from overturning laws with only 40 Senate votes.

This is the key point, and not mentioned enough.

We'll never be able to overturn the fucking vile shit he gets through..........

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at April 29, 2009 10:21 AM (5r0Tz)

2 The good news is that our losses are largely going to the "independent" category, which I assume means they still lean conservative, but are dissatisfied with the party due to a variety of factors -- too conservative, not conservative enough, incompetent and corrupt.

That would be me, sir. I'll probably change my voter registration to big-L Libertarian this year.

Posted by: Monty at April 29, 2009 10:23 AM (/0a60)

3 I'm independent and proud of it but rarely do I ever vote anything but republican.  I might be looking more towards third party now, however.

Posted by: deidre at April 29, 2009 10:25 AM (SVCna)

4 I wonder if Miss nancy figures she is already going to hell and has nothing to lose?

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:26 AM (zplc6)

5 I've never identified myself as an R, or any other politicar party for that matter.  Many people who lean towards libertarianism or right-libertarianism tend to not associate with political parties.  Hope is not lost.

Posted by: yinzer at April 29, 2009 10:27 AM (/Mla1)

6 It's nice out here in the wilderness...lots of birds and trees.

I think I shall get comfortable because we're gonna be here awhile.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2009 10:28 AM (hlYel)

7 Everyone calm down, yeah it's going to be inconvenient for a few months but I have confidence in Americans that care about our Country, what goes around comes around conservatives out number the dorkbats and all of this is waking the sleepers that never cared about politics. The tea parties are a prime example of this, almost 1 million folks were involved. Dems are suicide bombers of the USA now and we will win, we might even have a surge of our own like Iraq if nothing else works! Hahahah

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 10:28 AM (/bqyT)

8 I have self-identified as an independent ever since George I broke his no-new-taxes pledge. Independent yes. Vote for a democrat? Hell no. Come to think of it, I'm suprised such a large percentage still identify themselves as Republican. I mean, it's kind of like identifying yourself as a clueless dork with bad acne.

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 10:29 AM (Xm1aB)

9
I noticed a new ad campaign characterizing the Cap & Trade scam as beneficial for jobs, union/industry/construction jobs, in particular.

That's the Democrats roll: they now frame everything they do as 1) good for the economy, and 2) good for national security.

They'll pass illegal immigration amnesty, 'free' health care, and all their phony-baloney green legislation by telling the American people the laws will be good for the economy and good for national security.

Posted by: D-ling at April 29, 2009 10:29 AM (ick02)

10 This really is bad, isn't it?

Everything we feared is happening.

Consider this:  At the direction of the government, the UAW has majority ownership of Chrysler and partial ownership of GM.

At the direction of the government.

If that's not Marxism, it'll do until something better (or worse) comes along.

The media, arm in arm with the Left (including the administration) is gleefully proclaiming the end of the GOP and/or conservatism.

It's really happening.  And there's nothing we can do about it.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 29, 2009 10:30 AM (TBwnU)

11

I have things to do this afternoon, I can't start drinking yet.

"Explaining process?" Explaining process to whom? One would assume that regardless of whether a congresscritter is a D or an R they know the process for how things get done. Heck, School House Rock made sure all of us that were young in the 70s know how a bill should become a law.

But, bills don't become laws that way anymore, do they? No, they get approved and then go back to committee where the approved bill is larded up with stuff that wasn't explicitly voted on. And, no one bothers to read the bills anymore. And the lobbyists are in Congress now, and if they aren't in Congress then they are sleeping with or married someone who is.

It isn't so much a process that won't need to be explained. Rather, it is the effort expended at swaying an R vote to the D side that won't need to happen.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2009 10:31 AM (AJ4xq)

12 Given the life terms of our black-robed masters are we still forbidden to whisper the word "revolution"?

Posted by: jon at April 29, 2009 10:31 AM (aZ2jd)

13 It's not the end up conservatism.  Maybe the end of the Republican party as we know it, but even that is probably not true.  The pendulum will swing back to the right, or at least back to the center.  And I suspect B-O is going to make that happen way quicker than I ever expected.

Posted by: yinzer at April 29, 2009 10:31 AM (/Mla1)

14
Oh, and as long as there are a few Republicans in Congress when Obama's, Reid's, and Pelosi's policies fail, they'll still blame the Republicans.

And their solution: throw more money at it!

Posted by: D-ling at April 29, 2009 10:31 AM (ick02)

15 A lot of people are complaining about the speech tonight.  Many do not understand why he can't just give the speech in a studio and just post it on you tube?

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:31 AM (zplc6)

16 The Democrats own it all.

God help us.

Posted by: shibumi at April 29, 2009 10:32 AM (OKZrE)

17 If the GOP had a viable alternative to what the Dems are pushing 2010 would be a big year for the Republicans.  Unfortunately, the Republican party is a worthless pile of goo right now, and it will take quite some time for them to wake up to the reality of their situation.

Posted by: kefka at April 29, 2009 10:33 AM (fKivs)

18

Trying overturning it using Rule .303

Posted by: breaker morant at April 29, 2009 10:33 AM (MGu62)

19

Yeah, I never felt the need to join a party.  It's not a question of dissatisfaction with it, the R has always been what it is, and when elections come around I seem to always vote for them, but I'm nobody's tool.  Some candidates get my cash if I think they deserve/need it. 

Parties are for children's birthdays.

Posted by: Quality Control at April 29, 2009 10:33 AM (TOk1P)

20

More people tend to embrace the Republican/conservative idea of governance than are willing to embrace the actual Republican Party.

You pretty much just described me.  Anyway, I wouldn't want to join a party that would have me as a member.

But Democrats are evil.

Posted by: Eleven at April 29, 2009 10:33 AM (7DB+a)

21
It will be an uphill battle because we'll be fighting with members of our own party, such as the likes of Lindsay Graham.


Posted by: D-ling at April 29, 2009 10:34 AM (ick02)

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:36 AM (zplc6)

23 That's why we need The Independent Conservative party, and put all of these good ol' boys out to pasture.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 10:36 AM (/bqyT)

24 is there still anyone out there who is particularly impressed by any of the politicians you see?  norm coleman?  stuart smalley?  if you were a martian who had flew in and saw the discussion of arlen spector, would your plans for invasion be put off?  my god, our political class is ridiculous.

Posted by: ed at April 29, 2009 10:36 AM (Urhve)

25 As far as this party identification thing goes, I, too am disappointed with the Republicans and more likely than ever before not to identify myself as one of them.

But here's the thing: that doesn't mean I would ever consider voting for a Democrat.  Isn't it possible that the ID percentage is low partially because some of us want the Republicans to start acting more conservative?  I'm thrilled to be a Reagan Republican or even a Palin Republican, but a McCain Republican?  Never again.

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 10:37 AM (QMhqv)

26 It's not just Graham we'll be fighting against. Remember just a couple of weeks ago John Cornyn, chair of the RNSC, said the RNSC would support Specter over Toomey. And Orrin Hatch said today the RNSC should not support Toomey even after Specter's defection. Unfreakinbelievable.

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 10:37 AM (Xm1aB)

27 And this cap and trade thing?  That's going to just massively inflate everyone's utility bills, right?  Like, double them or something, right?

Good lord, and all because of their delusional global warming hysteria...

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 10:38 AM (QMhqv)

28 My friend jsut said "oh they all think the same anyway, doesn't matter wha letter is after their name, the name of the game is attaining power and keeping it".  I was impressed since this came out of the mouth of a "regular joe" type.

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:39 AM (zplc6)

29 BTW, can you just opt out of the cap-n-trade horror by putting in a wood stove? What? Are they gonna' tax firewood?

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 10:40 AM (Xm1aB)

30 Can we still look up to Fred Thompson?  He's still cool, right?

Posted by: Ack at April 29, 2009 10:40 AM (Pdl+z)

31 Canada's still trying to recover from me , 40 years later , eat it bitches .

Posted by: Pierre Elliot Trudeau at April 29, 2009 10:40 AM (d0YiG)

32 I hope the Dims go Caligula wild with power. Really over reach so insanely much that they screw themselves so much even their butt boys in the media can't cover for them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 29, 2009 10:41 AM (1Jaio)

33 "That's why we need The Independent Conservative party, and put all of these good ol' boys out to pasture."

No, no, no!  Completely unnecessary.  All we have to do is take over the Republican Party.  It's got the apparatus already, and getting rid of douches like Sphincter is a good start.

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 10:41 AM (QMhqv)

34 "27 And this cap and trade thing?  That's going to just massively inflate everyone's utility bills, right?  Like, double them or something, right?

Good lord, and all because of their delusional global warming hysteria...

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 03:38 PM (QMhqv)"

The huge expense of installing the new shingles that capture the sun's energy and a windmill and anything else that helps you stay off the grid, won't look so bad then and that may be the point.  However, did you see how much money Gore is making off of this and he didn't even have to become the prez, talk about literally stepping in it.

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:42 AM (zplc6)

35 Seeing the "old dirty cunt bag that's too ragged to hold even the dirtiest dried out cunts" on the witness stand would be awesome!  She's such a bitch.

Can I say "bitch" here?

Posted by: alppuccino at April 29, 2009 10:42 AM (nwXF9)

36

We are in for a bad two years -- at least.

Ace, very optimistic. Two years is just a start. Quick, name all the government programs and departments that have been done away with since 1980. The shit that is going to come down now will likely, no, certainly, never be fixed. Its too late. Its a damn shame to see a perfectly good country go straight into the crapper. When a near majority of people pay no taxes, and 61% of the people say they are just jim dandy with Obama so far, its time to think about where you might want to spend the rest of your life, other than in a socialist country. And just wait until we see what taxes are going to materialize in the next few years.

Please, sir, may I have another!

Posted by: Mikeyslaw at April 29, 2009 10:42 AM (QMGr1)

37
The Democrats in the Senate, his friends and colleagues, threw Lieberman overboard for Ned Lamont in 2006 without even thinking twice.

Yet, the Republican senators feel some sort of loyalty to Specter even after he dumped them?

Posted by: D-ling at April 29, 2009 10:42 AM (ick02)

38 "What? Are they gonna' tax firewood?"

Worse, trees will become the next protected minority group...

Liberals will want to start marrying them, too, which will kind of make sense for the women since they'll at least get some real wood out of the deal rather than the usual limpdicked liberal man.

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 10:43 AM (QMhqv)

39 #36 Mikeyslaw Thanks. I feel better now.

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 10:43 AM (Xm1aB)

40 Are you guy/gals rooting for Kenny?

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:44 AM (zplc6)

41 No need to "explain" anything.  This is another example that shows the totalitarian tendencies of the Left.  The root of the word "dictator" comes from the latin "dictare", to dictate.  Nancy Pelosi is now excited that she can "can get things done without explaining process". 

Posted by: dan-O at April 29, 2009 10:45 AM (teb/C)

42

Florida forces you to claim one party or the other, elst you can't vote in a primary.

But my first reaction to SanFranNancompoop is:

"She's excited?"

"Oh shit!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 29, 2009 10:46 AM (ZGhSv)

43 It was so sad today seeing the pictures of all those old retiree bond holders with their signs out there protesting and being totally marginalized.

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:47 AM (zplc6)

44 Before y'all book a trip with capt. kirk and travelocity to Texas, we will need to see your papers!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 10:48 AM (/bqyT)

45 #44 I'm pretty sure you can wave any emigrants to Texas on through. Surely no hippie-type would dare cross that line!

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 10:49 AM (Xm1aB)

46 You know what's amazing? Even with overwhelming majorities in both houses and the presidency, it will all still be the fault of Republicans.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2009 10:50 AM (hlYel)

47 My friend jsut said "oh they all think the same anyway, doesn't matter wha letter is after their name, the name of the game is attaining power and keeping it". I was impressed since this came out of the mouth of a "regular joe" type. So what sort of differences do these people want, or expect? Whenever the GOP has shown a willingness to not act like Dem-lite, these so-called "Independents" always chose the Dems. Face it. "regular joe" types like having the Dems run their lives and make their decisions for them.

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at April 29, 2009 10:51 AM (9p0nw)

48 I should have said  The Republic of Texas, hey we're a whole other country.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 10:51 AM (/bqyT)

49 Re: Cap & Trade: 

Ann McElhinney, the director of Not Evil Just Wrong, (a rebuttal to Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth) was on the Laura Ingraham Radio show yesterday.  She said that conservatives shouldn't repeat the libs' terms for things like "Cap & Trade".  Ann said we should call it what it is "Global Warming Tax." 

Good point, but I bet you morons could come up with something WAY better. 

Posted by: PBnJ at April 29, 2009 10:51 AM (EG7l/)

50 Can someone post a list of Canadian consulates in the US?

Just in case we need to apply for political asylum.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 29, 2009 10:51 AM (TBwnU)

51

I, too, woudl never call myself a Republican but would never vote for a democrat for any reason.  Technically I am a libertarian, but I am tired of the repiblican BS too.  I am happy to vote republican if they start taking small government and fiscal responsibility seriously

In reality though I think the game is over.  We are on the path to complete implosion, and who knows what comes after that...

Posted by: doug at April 29, 2009 10:54 AM (UpJts)

52

 I wonder if Miss nancy figures she is already going to hell and has nothing to lose?

Ha!  Anyone who can lecture the pope on the Catholic church's stand on abortion is not going to hell.

Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2009 10:54 AM (knHvu)

53 It's been years since I've self-identified as a Republican. I always say when asked, "no, conservative.".

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2009 10:54 AM (FcR7P)

54 "We are on the path to complete implosion, and who knows what comes after that..."

In modern history has anything ever risen out of an implosion other than tyranny?

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2009 10:55 AM (QMhqv)

55

More people tend to embrace the Republican/conservative idea of governance than are willing to embrace the actual Republican Party.

All we have to do is take over the Republican Party.  It's got the apparatus already, and getting rid of douches like Sphincter is a good start.

Exacta-mundo!  Why do you think all these lib pols and celebs keep telling us that we can only succeed by ignoring conservatives?  Because they want us to beat them in elections?  No, it's because they know that this country is at rock-bottom fundamentally conservative, and if they didn't have control of the media, most libs couldn't get elected dogcatcher.

So we need to get control of the media, or at least find a way around the lib-filter and allow our attractive conservatives like Palin to speak out in their own true voice.  The time is right for us to come out and make the case that more and more Americans are coming to suspect is true - the media is corrupt and dishonest, and disdains American values, just like Barack Obama does.

Posted by: sherlock at April 29, 2009 10:56 AM (ZrS0c)

56 "52

 I wonder if Miss nancy figures she is already going to hell and has nothing to lose?

Ha!  Anyone who can lecture the pope on the Catholic church's stand on abortion is not going to hell.

Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2009 03:54 PM (knHvu)"

This Pope is a very unusual man.  He always gets his point across, always.

Posted by: really at April 29, 2009 10:56 AM (zplc6)

57 A total of 35 percent of voters call themselves Democrats, up just two points from 2004.Is that all?  Two electoral victories, the One, and a crisis that can't go to waste and they're only +2?

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 10:57 AM (GtYrq)

58 Face it, everything that was put in place is blossoming.

Posted by: bill at April 29, 2009 10:57 AM (zplc6)

59 Is it time to start the Ten Million Rifles Party yet or do we have to wait until the fucking looters start disappearing dissident "right-wing extremists"?

Posted by: monkeyfan at April 29, 2009 10:59 AM (cEE8N)

60

Just remember, guys, it's always darkest before it gets even darker.

If you need to punch a left-winger in the teeth to feel better, I'm selling face-punch offsets.

 

 

 

Posted by: Warden at April 29, 2009 11:00 AM (QoR4a)

61 I refuse to just give up and say fuck it! I believe in this Country hell I fought for it twice in 'Nam voluntarily both times as an Infantryman, no, we will come out on top but these current Repubs have to go when you make your mark on election day!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:00 AM (/bqyT)

62 Seriously guys, how can you have ANY optimism at all for a nation filled with people who would put Barak Obama in office in the FIRST place.  The fact that this guy was a communist liar wasn't even VAGUELY difficult to discern.  We are simply not capable of self-governance anymore.

Posted by: doug at April 29, 2009 11:01 AM (jCwj+)

63
MSNBC has another Obama grading poll up.

The F's are leading the A's, keep it going

Posted by: kbdabear at April 29, 2009 11:01 AM (miw86)

64

I wonder if Miss nancy figures she is already going to hell and has nothing to lose?

Nancy thinks she's God and doesn't believe in hell.

Posted by: katya at April 29, 2009 11:02 AM (oRJZj)

65 "60

Just remember, guys, it's always darkest before it gets even darker.

If you need to punch a left-winger in the teeth to feel better, I'm selling face-punch offsets.

 

 

 

Posted by: Warden at April 29, 2009 04:00 PM (QoR4a)"

Following the "Gore model"?

Posted by: bill at April 29, 2009 11:02 AM (zplc6)

66

Did someone mention a carbon tax? Our leftist Liberals lost on that issue.

[BTW, "Grit MP" means a "Liberal MP".]

Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2009 11:02 AM (MGu62)

67 Oops. Nancy lets slip what they've been creaming themselves over behind closed-door discussions. Is anyone really surprised? Didn't think so. Air of bipartisanship, my ass.

Posted by: Stitches at April 29, 2009 11:02 AM (KyqYb)

68 I'm not worried. Why you ask??? Events, events. Also, it was much worse after Watergate for the GOP, and in a few short years people woke up and kicked the libtards to the corner. People need to be reminded why the nanny-state doesn't work. Why high taxes are pointless, and why unchecked government spending is bad. People forgot about 9/11 already, so we can't expect people to remember what Carter was like. WE need to take back our party and our movement, and we need to do it at the state level first!!!!! It starts with: LIMITED GOVERNMENT STATES RIGHTS LIFE, LIBERTY & PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS FOR ALL STRONG NATIONAL DEFENSE LOW TAXATION FREE MARKET CAPITALISM THESE ARE THE FOUNDING PRINCIPLES, AND MUST BE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE NEW CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT THAT STARTS NOW!

Posted by: sales@acorn.org at April 29, 2009 11:03 AM (ngD76)

69 When we elect a NEW conservative to office we should have a tea party in front of his house the night before he leaves for D.C. and tell him/her you better do us right or you will be gone!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:04 AM (/bqyT)

70 50 Can someone post a list of Canadian consulates in the US?

Just in case we need to apply for political asylum.

If it comes to that, I think Texas will be open political "dissidents" escaping the US.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 29, 2009 11:05 AM (ixT7j)

71 68, People forgot about 9/11 already, so we can't expect people to remember what Carter was like.


They didn't the other day in NYC and they're dorkbats!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:07 AM (/bqyT)

72 Well, I would hope Missouri would welcome U.S. dissidents too should it come to that. The only solace I had last November was the Show Me State didn't go for Barry.

Posted by: Dave at April 29, 2009 11:07 AM (Xm1aB)

73 I agree with Morris about the polling numbers, to whatever extent they are valid or true. Add to that the "I'm not a racist!" effect - the anti-Bradley effect that got him elected in the first place - and you've got a recipe for a very nasty backlash. Whatever President Obama's best efforts are (and each time his numbers drop he goes on a PR campaign to boost them) the polling keeps getting weaker on the guy every week.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 29, 2009 11:09 AM (PQY7w)

74

Ha!  Anyone who can lecture the pope on the Catholic Church's stand on abortion is not going to hell.
Read the headline sidebar link, too, huerfano--Obama trying to tell Cardinal George Pell (also Sydney, Australia's Archbishop) that they agree on abortion. [Via Nice Deb]

Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2009 11:09 AM (MGu62)

75

Following the "Gore model"?

2 for 1 special on punching Gore in the gunt.

Posted by: Warden at April 29, 2009 11:11 AM (QoR4a)

76

I posted this early this morning but I think it needs posted again.

This is a story from the BBC Night News about how Obama, the EPA, and some Congressmen are actively recruiting environmental activists to help push through cap and trade. 

They aren't only at the enviro. convention, they are speaking ('on behalf of Obama'), giving lectures, and teaching such things as civil disobedience, resisting arrest, etc.

One of the activists even talks about how great it is to finnally have support from the White House.

http://tinyurl.com/dcwt5w

 

Posted by: outraged at April 29, 2009 11:13 AM (penCf)

77 I'm kind of surprised more senators don't jump ship.  Let's face it, they probably should all be Democrats.  I don't know that any of them are interested in small government principles.  All they see is all the money they've gotten to spend so far and no one saying boo about it.  And those up thread who have pointed out that government programs don't get disbanded, I think they've got the right of it.  Government programs are forever, like herpes. 

As an aside, I'm going to laugh my ass off when Dems run a challenger against Spectre in the primary. 

Posted by: sears poncho at April 29, 2009 11:13 AM (uj/0b)

78 Some people here seem to be under the impression that Obama doesn't understand full well that he is going to have to depopulate Texas to achieve his Utopia.

Posted by: doug at April 29, 2009 11:14 AM (jCwj+)

79 Americans, Go Look in the Mirror. You are responsible for this mess. You didn't stand up to the NEA, you didn't stop going to Hollywood indoctrination movies, you continued to watch liberal tv programming. So now, the population is infected with the "progressive agenda virus". It took the Left 40 years, but brilliant planning and patience. It will take at least another 50 years to get our country back.

Posted by: kolchak at April 29, 2009 11:14 AM (WYuZQ)

80 We are simply not capable of self-governance anymore.

I strongly disagree.  The Obamabots I know that won't bend in the slightest amount don't get their news from the big 4 networks.

Obama supporters that do get their news from the big 4 networks waver greatly.  Since the election they have learned a great deal in regards to Obama's social positions that were hardly covered in the Presidential debates.  The Bush White House took every attempt to give Obama all the ammo he needed to hammer away on the economy.  This is all the debates talked about.  It's just about all the big 4 networks talked about as well.  The economy was everything and Bush had to keep on giving it legs because he bought the insane debt from the investment banks.

McCain didn't have the broadcast outlet to talk about social policy at all.  The one and only good venue was the Saddleback event.  Obama bombed this performance big time.

I know social policy may not be the best subject for morons, but positions like opposing partial birth abortion, criticizing the jurisprudence of Roe and Doe and advocating their reversal, as well as supporting abortion regulation that is effective at reducing the number of abortions such as waiting periods, the option for taxpayer funded ultrasounds, and "informed consent" are winning positions.

Take Obama and his supporters to their weak points.  Going at them on their strong side puts them on the footing they're prepared to address.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 11:16 AM (GtYrq)

81 78 doug,

Please Lord let that happen!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:17 AM (/bqyT)

82 Seriously guys, how can you have ANY optimism at all for a nation filled with people who would put Barak Obama in office in the FIRST place.  The fact that this guy was a communist liar wasn't even VAGUELY difficult to discern.  We are simply not capable of self-governance anymore.

Yep.

But now that The One has ascended to his rightful throne, we may not have to worry about self-governance any more!

We're in a bad, bad place.  And only in 100 days!

I shudder to think of what 4 years of this might bring.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 29, 2009 11:17 AM (TBwnU)

83 The bad news on the Obama voters that will listen to the truth about Obama and actively work to oppose him -- they're aging and dying.  They're FDR democrats on their last mission.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 11:19 AM (GtYrq)

84

"Since the election they have learned a great deal in regards to Obama's social positions that were hardly covered in the Presidential debates."

That is my point.  There is no excuse for them not to have known.  Well, ok, it is hard to really be informend.  It takes time a lot of people don't have, but the Berlin trip and the Pantheon in Mule High stadium alone should have clued people in that he was a dangerously self-important git at the very least.

 

 

Posted by: doug at April 29, 2009 11:19 AM (jCwj+)

85 Looks like I'm never going to get out of this crappy trailer. 

Posted by: katya at April 29, 2009 11:21 AM (oRJZj)

86

"Some people here seem to be under the impression that Obama doesn't understand full well that he is going to have to depopulate Texas to achieve his Utopia."

Don't forget us Alaskans.

Posted by: Bosk at April 29, 2009 11:21 AM (fazYB)

87 I'm kind of surprised more senators don't jump ship.  Let's face it, they probably should all be Democrats.  I don't know that any of them are interested in small government principles.  All they see is all the money they've gotten to spend so far and no one saying boo about it.  And those up thread who have pointed out that government programs don't get disbanded, I think they've got the right of it.  Government programs are forever, like herpes.

As I said on another board recently, we don't really have representation.  We have a ruling class that occasionally allows us to choose between two of its members.

Specter is the perfect example, along with the RINOs rushing to fend off any serious challenge to him are the perfect example.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 29, 2009 11:22 AM (TBwnU)

88 Well you have to give obutthead kudos, best firearm salesman in the world!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:23 AM (/bqyT)

89 On the economy front, the banking and finance industry is in huge trouble.  Those that took the worst risks, for the least amount of reward, and watched it all tank ARE STILL GETTING PAID.

Go watch some Youtube videos of Nouriel Roubini, Nassim Nicolas Taleb, George Steele, and Niall Ferguson.  Liberty through the common defense and trade: if this is you, you're concept of the way the world works is under full attack.

What happens now is making the Chinese Communists look like Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 11:24 AM (GtYrq)

90 Pardon my repetition above @ 87.

We need an edit function.  Might there be a government program to provide one?

Posted by: tsj017 at April 29, 2009 11:24 AM (TBwnU)

91

As I have been saying for weeks we need to crash the economy. It is the only way that we can fight back against these scumbags. Don't think of them as fellow Americans they are stinking traitors.

First stop going out to eat. Stay home, have friends over. Next don't make any big purchases at all if you can help it. Next use cash, if you have money in one of the Government controled banks pull it out and put it in a local bank. Use your cash to buy as much as you can. This will help small business owners keep things off the books.

Go Gault if you can. If you can lay people off from your business try and lay off people who are Democrats. If you work for a larger company, start setting up Democrat workers under you to be layed off if you can. Make them suffer for picking Obama.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at April 29, 2009 11:26 AM (TC4J/)

92 91,

Most of the dorkbats will suffer anyway, because they don't save and most just want handouts from their savior that will never materialize.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:29 AM (/bqyT)

93 There is no excuse for them not to have known.  Well, ok, it is hard to really be informend.

Yes there is.  Politics is always local.  You have to connect the falling leaves to the trees they shed them.  The Obamabots did this with an incredible primary season that skyrocketed Obama with the army he needed to reach the people all over the country.  Blue State Digital was there to be the technocratic message machine.

Remember the Milt Rosenberg shows in October 2008?  Caller after caller reciting rapid response alerts from Team Obama smearing Daniel Kurtz and David Fredosso.  This was a huge loss for the truth, but a huge gain for Obama.  All he had to do was say jump and his followers asked how high.

Simple messages are better.  Not too simple though.  Obama bad won't work.  Obama's appointments are largely made up of the same Wall Streeters he decries will work.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 11:31 AM (GtYrq)

94 First stop going out to eat. Stay home, have friends over. Next don't make any big purchases at all if you can help it. Next use cash, if you have money in one of the Government controled banks pull it out and put it in a local bank. Use your cash to buy as much as you can. This will help small business owners keep things off the books.

I'm migrating towards this position as well.  The credit cards are a convenience, but cash is still king.  I've been asking people to request their employers 1099 them for the year.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at April 29, 2009 11:35 AM (GtYrq)

95 Most of this crap on the left are mush brained 20-30 somethings that have played video games and danced around the internut since they were 5 yrs old and they are the majority that voted for oshithead because it was easy for the Dems to con them, if you as a parent have one of these beat his/her ass now, I raised two sons by myself  and they are both degreed and have outstanding careers and I beat their ass once or twice because if they wanted another one I was happy to oblige and they say thanks Dad to this day!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:35 AM (/bqyT)

96

 Overall we are in for very tough times.  Cap and Trade may cause food shortages.  WHy you ask. Well the cost of energy will put many farmers out of business.   They can not afford to run tractors when the cost of fuel doubles.
Farming when I was a kid was maybe a square mile of land and you can support your family.  Today you need to farm 10 to 14 square miles to make enough profit to support the family.  Less farmers and increase cost.  PRice of Wheat has been around $3 - 5 a bushel since the 60's.  We have an increase in cost lately but not enough if fuel used to farm doubles.  ALso the tax per cow means many farmers will get rid of cattle so we can see a shortage in meat.  Goverment taxing a hundred or more dollars per cow takes away the profit margin the farmers may have for having cattle graze their land. Maybe they will have a lose. 

THis is just cap and trade one aspect of how bad it can get.  No drilling in the US to use our own energy. And Obama more than likely will support a $1 tax by the UN for each gallon of gas we buy. And he will add another 1.20 per gallon carbon tax on top of that.   Cost of moving goods across this country will cause many trucking companies to give up and close thier doors.  

The cause and effect is never looked at that the policies being demanded by democrats and Obama will weaken the US and the only place they will cut our budget is the Defense department which weakens us even more. 

There is no quick fix. We have to take over the local Republican committees. Too often they are run by liberals that will support Moderates over Conservatives because they claim that is the only way they can win.

Republicans had better watch out or they will be history. A third party looks better every day.  I am in Washington state and I see no way to get conservatives to be allowed to talk and express thier ideas. 

 

Posted by: danfinrud at April 29, 2009 11:41 AM (iaV9O)

97 They are both conservative too, even more than me if that's possible.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:42 AM (/bqyT)

98 Every day is worse than the day before.  And it's not like there are any bright stars on the conservative horizon.

Did someone mention something about achieving functional alcoholism over the next few years?  Sign me up. 

Posted by: Scout at April 29, 2009 11:44 AM (UsxlP)

99 *Sigh*  60 vote majority until 2010.   Global pandemic, global economic crisis, and a smooth talking charismatic leader known as The One at the helm who always says one thing and does another (lying, I believe they call it).

When someone approaches you and asks you to move your loved ones to a tent in the Arizona desert to wait for the End Times just don't try using facts to calm their apocalyptic fears.   Just put the poor wretch out of their misery quickly like you would a horse with a broken leg.

Upside:   Glenn Beck's gonna be giddy over his ratings pretty soon.

Posted by: sis at April 29, 2009 11:45 AM (hm0CN)

100

There is no excuse for them not to have known.  Well, ok, it is hard to really be informend.

My policy for being informed about politicians is easy.  I completely ignore the commercials and speaches and do a little research about their past.  Their voting history, their college years, etc.  The warnings about Obama were a white hot flare.  Talk about transparent.

Posted by: katya at April 29, 2009 11:47 AM (oRJZj)

101 I hate to spout Glenn Beck, but he is right that we should be reading about our founders and how they went about making America, it belongs to us and we should start demonstrating why it belongs to us, don't give up, we are the greatest Country ever!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at April 29, 2009 11:48 AM (/bqyT)

102

We could certainly use a little purity when it comes to passing massively expensive legislation. The stakes have suddenly been raised exponentially.

It's funny to me to hear that the GOP has drifted to the right. Especially when I hear that from somebody who supports things like "climate change", a notion that would have had you laughed out of a bar forty years ago.

The good thing about true conservatism is that, yeah, we'll listen to your pet theory, but if it doesn't ring quite true, you'll be told in the nicest way possible to pound sand. We're efficient like that. Ideas that don't work in the real world get easily dismissed, as they should.

The entire political spectrum in America has drifted towards the left, aided and abetted by a media that gives a voice to people who are intellectually tone deaf.

If you adhere to principles that don't change, you're not the one doing the moving.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 29, 2009 11:50 AM (ZGhSv)

103

Any law can be defeated through neglect and lack of funding.  Obama can pass all the laws he wishes but these can be destroyed through new legislation, lack of funding, beign neglect and legal challenges.   Look at our immigration laws.  You think we have 25 million illegals because the government was doing its job.

If Obama wants independent consuls and show trials then in four years return the favor, and go after Waco, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Barney Frank and the like.

Posted by: Vladmir Putin at April 29, 2009 11:57 AM (0Qynq)

104 I'm a Regan Republican and I cannot wait for the 2010 election! All of these dems that are going on a shopping spree are going to be kicked to the curb! Next tea party is july fourth so you can bet i'll be there.

Posted by: teapartyswt at April 29, 2009 12:38 PM (uXLMh)

105 Firewood burning?Not in California,at least not in my neck of the woods.

Posted by: Donna at April 29, 2009 12:53 PM (p6dZy)

106 The Democrats will have the power of filibuster -- and can stop us from overturning laws with only 40 Senate votes.

The only thing that could make us less fucked would be to take back the House. They have control of the money, remember, and there's no filibuster in there. The Senate can pass, filibuster, whatever, but no money can be spent for any of this bullshit without the bill originating in, and being passed by, the House.

Of course, we don't know what the House is going to look like after the ACORN "census workers" get finished stuffing it.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at April 29, 2009 01:01 PM (lOpq0)

107 There is simply something really wrong with what's going on in our country right now. The list is way too long but we elected a red diaper baby groomed for his entire life to hate this country, this person completely incapable of speaking freely, off the cuff or without TOTUS. It's as if he's been programmed and is simply fulfilling a lifelong mission. You have crises almost daily, fundamentally changing this country and sustaining this sense of panic and anxiety within the public. This Marxist thug and his string pullers are on a mission.....what the endgame is is not apparent yet but they know that wizard's curtain cannot stay closed for ever. And when the curtain is pulled back, they know it's game over. And two words to Stretch Pelosi. FUCK.YOU. (I feel better now.....)

Posted by: theadmiral at April 29, 2009 01:05 PM (NJqQb)

108

Specter was a RINO to begin with; his crossing aisle was a mere formality.

Pay attention. The far-Left Democrats are in charge, and they don't have to be accountable to anyone, let alone the American people.

Remember that as they drag this country down to a socialist economic hell and eviscerate our national security.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Posted by: SFC MAC at April 29, 2009 01:07 PM (kNmyI)

109 > Very exciting, very exciting for the American people ... - Pelosi OMG. This is like that Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times". Hey!, I'm talking to you Federal Govt. I don't want excitement out of my Govt!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 29, 2009 01:13 PM (Xr3G0)

110 You know what? This ain't all that bad. Spector was a Democrat in deed, if not name, anyway... what he effectively did was strip the Democrats of ALL excuses. It's THEIR ball game: they're Afghanistan strategy, their interrogation policy, their economy now. When the inevitable disasters come... let's see how smug Pelosi looks then.

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 29, 2009 01:17 PM (iafWn)

111 I don't know whether to shit or go blind.

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 29, 2009 01:21 PM (ayqt7)

112 > 1 And bear in mind: Even if we take back Congress, we can't just overturn these poisonous laws. The Democrats will have the power of filibuster -- and can stop us from overturning laws with only 40 Senate votes. ... Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter Maybe not. A strong enough reaction in 2010 can put the Fear of God (losing in 2012 or 2014) in those Senators who didn't run in 2010. Look at Specter. His first loyalty was to getting re-elected, not to party priorities. Enough Spendulus supporting Senators get smacked down in 2010 and you might be surprised at what happens in the next Congress. Yeah, it's a long shot... Sigh.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 29, 2009 01:26 PM (Xr3G0)

113 > 30 Can we still look up to Fred Thompson? He's still cool, right? Posted by: Ack He's cool but nearly meaningless. We saw in 2008 that, although he'd like to be President, he's not interested in campaigning for President. Unless he get's appointed, he's not going to be anything except a commentator.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 29, 2009 01:29 PM (Xr3G0)

114 I'm wondering if Hank Hill will mount a campaign to rename his home town of Arlen, Texas. 

Posted by: effinayright at April 29, 2009 01:42 PM (TIBUh)

115 "It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, it is how you play the game"

Posted by: John ryan at April 29, 2009 01:46 PM (wHLW0)

116

Morons with college-age children ought to start splainin' to them what Obama's agenda means.

I reminded my son, now a junior, that he will graduate with about $20K in student loans that he will have to repay.  With luck he could do so in five years or less.

Then I told him he will spend the rest of his life paying  several hundred thousands of extra taxes, just to cover the interest on the debt Obama is handing to his generation.

Then I told him that the principal on the outstanding national debt and "unfunded liabilities"  is so high that it will NEVER be paid off, unless we suffer through ruinous runaway inflation as Weimar Germany did.

Then i showed him a stamp I've had since I was a kid, a postmarked Ten Billion Mark stamp from said Weimar Germany.   I explained the concept of "worthless money" to him.

Then I told him how the ensuing political and economic chaos helped Hitler to rise to power, and how and why Naziism was so attractive to many Germans.

Did he "get it"?

I don't know.  But if millions of parents started knocking sense into their kids' heads they might start talking among themselves about where this Unicorn Rider is taking them.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: effinayright at April 29, 2009 02:01 PM (TIBUh)

117 "Very exciting, very exciting for the American people, because now we can get things done without explaining process," Pelosi told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Translated:
"I hope the American people will be excited about having things shoved up their ass because that's what we're going to do."  We'll shove it up your ass and break it off and there ain't a Goddamned thing you can do about it"

Posted by: Rides A Pale Horse at April 29, 2009 02:12 PM (+1a/V)

118 Very exciting, very exciting for the American people, because now we can get things done without explaining process," Pelosi told CNN's Candy Crowley.

Our Founders deliberately designed our Constitution so that the political process would move slowly.  In such a way, transparency is more possible, and the seriousness of matters can be considered.

Of course, the Dems want to circumvent such important aspects of politics.

The arrogance of this administration and Congress are beyond belief!

Posted by: Always On Watch at April 29, 2009 02:20 PM (oVS/L)

119

One thing is certain, when the republicans retake the house Peeeloshi and crowd will be trying on the stripe suits. Half the democrats will be arrested, tried, convicted and jailed, I opt for executed.

Posted by: Scrapiron at April 29, 2009 02:34 PM (GkYyh)

120

@10: "It's really happening.  And there's nothing we can do about it."

It depends on what you value: the political process, the nation, or liberty.  If you value the political process more than, then yes, there is nothing you can do.  If you value the nation or liberty more than the political process, then there are a number of options.  Unpleasant ones, yes, but options nevertheless.

I suspect that most people these days value the political process more, or at least accept it as supreme.   The Founding Fathers and the generation that fought the Civil War would have been blowing heads off long before this, I'd wager.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 29, 2009 03:33 PM (y4UcI)

121 Pesky limbic-impaired redneck con-stituents nosin' around in her business, anyway... I think that's xactly what she means. Here in CA we just discovered a bill entirely about teacher sick-pay schedules that was slightly amended and is now entirely about groundwater. hm... no 30-day waiting period. no public notice. nuttin'... Fancy that. reaaal fancy, that.

Posted by: Faye Kinnit at April 29, 2009 03:51 PM (l1oyw)

122

So, let me see if I understand this correctly.  Yesterday and today, the Demos passed a massive spending bill on a "reconciliation" basis, requiring only 51 senators to vote on it, but if the Repubs take control of the senate only 41 Demos can filibuster the senate's actions.  This is what pains me so much about the Repubs.  They think they are gentlemen, and that the Demos will be the same.   The Demos think they are at war, and intend to take no prisoners.

I vote the Repubs treat the Demos just exactly as they have been treated.  When they eventually take over, and they will, the house should impeach the Won for deliberately turning the Constitution upside down.  That would make two Demos in a row to be impeached.

 

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 29, 2009 04:08 PM (IKKIf)

123

@54: "In modern history has anything ever risen out of an implosion other than tyranny?"

Yeah, anarchy.  Or, as our buddy Kratos is wont to yell: Chaos.

Enjoy the war, folks; the peace will be terrible.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 29, 2009 04:19 PM (y4UcI)

124 OK, 124 is just a wee bit over the line there.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 29, 2009 04:35 PM (IKKIf)

125 The only thing I disagree with is that this lack of ability to "walk out of the marriage" seems to mostly apply to bigger-named supporters.  Almost daily, I hear from liberal friends or friends of friends who say "I think I screwed up."  These aren't borderline libs, independents, or RINOs.  These are died-in-the-wool yellow dog liberal Democrats.

Posted by: slug at April 29, 2009 04:36 PM (W7gJi)

126

@79: "Americans, Go Look in the Mirror. You are responsible for this mess. You didn't stand up to the NEA, you didn't stop going to Hollywood indoctrination movies, you continued to watch liberal tv programming. So now, the population is infected with the 'progressive agenda virus'."

Ooooh....ahhhhhh, I'm gonna hafta go ahead and ummmmmm disagree with you there.  Some of us have been trying to point out what was going on and get people to stop it for years.

Posted by: Bill Lumbergh at April 29, 2009 04:42 PM (y4UcI)

127 I'll be voting against ALL incumbents D or R. All of them have forgotten that the people elect them to do their bidding. The people have forgotten that they don't work for our elected officials. I'm all for free market capitalism as long as we put judges in place that will send white collar crooks to real prisons and make them serve real sentences. When I was stationed at Homestead AFB, I met a white collar criminal (there was a minimum security prison there and they cut the grass on the base). One of my guys asked him why he didn't just walk out the gate and he said "I've got seven months left, I've got millions in the bank, I get laid by my wife once in awhile, why would I fuck that up? The states need to tell the government what the constitution says and force them to obey it. The thought of losing the federal dollars scares them too much I thimk. If all the states stood firm, the fed gov would knock off the BS. Also, the states should start a petition to repeal the 16th amendment. That would get their attention.

Posted by: Bill R. at April 29, 2009 08:22 PM (EhlQq)

128 Left-libs to the bench? You mean hard core leftist moonbats to the bench.

Posted by: spacehawaii at April 29, 2009 10:46 PM (xEyX8)

129 Ace, you wrote: > The good news is that our losses are largely going to the "independent" category, which I assume means they still lean conservative, but are dissatisfied with the party due to a variety of factors -- too conservative, not conservative enough, incompetent and corrupt. Take your pick Exactly right. At least as it applies to me because I no longer declare myself a GOP Republican, but rather an Independent who is very conservative. On most issues I am more conservative than the GOP. On some issues I part ways. 1. On illegal immigration, I want those who hire the illegals to be hounded as much as the illegals are being hounded. Until they are hounded as much, I consider the illegals to be scapegoated and I don't like it. In fact I despise it. 2. The Bush-Paulson surrender on the socialization of the investments industry - and the massive resulting deficits - were the last straw. The lack of transparency on TARP funds, and the inexcusable failure to tie the money to precisely the intended purposes was disgraceful; and it allowed Paulson and others to immediately begin shifting and throwing the money around to other purposes that they preferred, that was odds even to the horrifying use it was originally intended. What a mess.

Posted by: Mike Devx at April 30, 2009 12:45 AM (08PEb)

130

This is pissing into the wind. No one will do anything about it. except spout off, . Its the job of government to fuck the people good...its the job of Ace to bristle, whine about it and move on to the next comment . You can kite this methodology into a lifetime of inaction. Nothing gets done here but political masturbation. ...even at that: the government wants you gone Ace...opposition jerk-off or not. They will get their way......because all we do is blog, post and talk

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