October 30, 2009

More Thin-Skinned "Attacks" From the White House
— Dave in Texas

This time aimed at Edmunds.com, who pointed out yesterday the Cash for Clunkers program was a clunker.

We're being governed by a bunch of emo pukes.

From the White House blog:

On the same day that we found out that motor vehicle output added 1.7% to economic growth in the third quarter – the largest contribution to quarterly growth in over a decade – Edmunds.com has released a faulty analysis suggesting that the Cash for Clunkers program had no meaningful impact on our economy or on overall auto sales. This is the latest of several critical “analyses” of the Cash for Clunkers program from Edmunds.com, which appear designed to grab headlines and get coverage on cable TV

MOM! THE CAR GUYS TOOK THE LAST PIECE OF BIRTHDAY CAKE!

I suppose this is the kind of reaction you'd expect from people whose job is to make shit up and sell it as something it most certainly is not. And a lot of numbskulls who buy into any Obama plan (because it's from His Awesomeness) will surely pump their little fists in the air and say "Yeah!", but they really don't need convincing, do they?

I'm just a moron, but I think Shakespeare's point was something along the lines of protesting too loudly kinda makes you look bad.

MISSED THIS: LauraW and techie point out the sophisticated high-brow rhetoric in the piece really shows those Edmunds guys they're all wrong.

In other words, all the other cars were being sold on Mars, while the rest of the country was caught up in the excitement of the Cash for Clunkers program..

Edmunds.com, on the other hand, is promoting a bombastic press release without any public access to their underlying analysis.

So put on your space suit and compare the two approaches yourself:


Whining truth to power.


via eddiebear over at H2, where the MOM! thing is a bit of a running gag, which I'm more than happy to swipe.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 04:28 AM | Comments (87)
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1 I think Cash for Clunkers was a judicious and effective use of taxpayer money leading to long-term economic stimulus. 

Posted by: ACORN Cash for Pimps and Teenage Hookers at October 30, 2009 04:37 AM (sOtz/)

2

here's the thing:  cash for clunkers cost more than it was worth.  and even more than that, it accounts for about 1/2 of the GDP rise this past qtr.  And we won't have this auto "spike" next qtr.  So this GDP rise is artificial.

 

Everyone in Congress needs to come home.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 30, 2009 04:38 AM (TEIZr)

3 The cake is a lie.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 30, 2009 04:40 AM (NtiET)

4 Cannibalizing future auto sales to increase sales now, and thereby artificially cook up some slightly better economic news right before the elections, at the paltry cost of $24,000 to the taxpayer per car, will help turn around the US economy in a Great Leap Forward to an economic Cultural Revolution.  

Posted by: Mao Tse Tung at October 30, 2009 04:41 AM (sOtz/)

5

Wait a sec - there's cake and nobody told me?!?

Betcha its that red velvet shiznit, too. I always miss that stuff.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 30, 2009 04:42 AM (lDdA/)

6 I've been wondering how much of this vaunted 3.5% GDP growth was mainly due to Government money being pumped to the states to "stimulate" job growth. Given that the other economic indicators like housing and employment are still down, I'd say that this GDP blip isn't much to be happy about. Yeah, it signals that the period of actual decline may be over, but it doesn't do much to indicate a recovery, either. And there's a real danger of the "double-dip" as the housing market goes into the winter doldrums and the car-buying public continues to stay away in droves.

I'm waiting to see what the retail numbers look like through Black Friday from the likes of Wal Mart, Target, etc. If consumers are spending money on bigger-ticket stuff (like computers and TV's), I'll think the economy is trending back up. If not....

Posted by: Monty at October 30, 2009 04:42 AM (4Pleu)

7 Actually, there is a good chance GM and FIATChrysler will crash again within 2 years.

GMAC apparently is the walking dead.

Posted by: Techie at October 30, 2009 04:43 AM (cxW4X)

8 is it true that we are getting an appliance C4C next?  my husband told me & he reads the WSJ & listens to the talk radios when he drives.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 30, 2009 04:44 AM (TEIZr)

9 The ratio of people to cake is too big.

Posted by: milton waddams at October 30, 2009 04:46 AM (PD1tk)

10 GM??  This is the beauty of being a government whore.  They can continue to do a shitty job and get bailed out again...and again....and again....Just keep the UAW assholes fat dumb and happy.

It won't surprise me if they do some kind of Cash for GM Cars Only bullshit next time.

Posted by: BigWyo at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (mT7uC)

11

Me thinks Rent-a-'Bam should be able to solve the deficit and the Cash for Clunkers debacle. We rent Obama to a bidder for a day for the rest of his term. Obama could shower his narcisism on someone else and he can be away from our sight for the rest of his term. That should provide enough dough for tax cuts to create real jobs.

They should replace Geithner with moi.

Posted by: eating narcissus at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (4FkTt)

12 I bet you didn't know that George Bush ran GMAC into the ground.

Posted by: Ezra Merkin at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (EbpbH)

13
Mom ! Edmunds.com all my Matchbox Cars from out of the sandbox and took them home !

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (+FzLa)

14 So if the analysis is faulty, please explain WHY.

Posted by: CUS at October 30, 2009 04:48 AM (wOGfT)

15 is it true that we are getting an appliance C4C next

There's one in the Obama Energy Restriction and Tax Bill (euphemistically known as "cap and trade").  Is there another one?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 30, 2009 04:49 AM (NtiET)

16 Hehe. Also, didn't team Barry try to take on the AP for something or other yesterday?

Posted by: eddiebear at October 30, 2009 04:49 AM (zKxel)

17 Its the "Help keep GE Solvent Act of 2010"

Posted by: Techie at October 30, 2009 04:50 AM (cxW4X)

18

that cake smells bad

Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 30, 2009 04:50 AM (vp1Pc)

19 Went to read the Administration's attack on Edmunds. Sheesh. It's hard to believe, really.
The 'Mars' and 'spacesuit' schtick in particular is 100% 7th-grade peevishness.

The chicken, it will not fuck itself, guys. Time to hustle!

Posted by: lauraw at October 30, 2009 04:50 AM (GOg89)

20

the largest contribution to quarterly growth in over a decade

 

More lies from the AH’s in the WH. I seem to recall some 7.5% rises during the Bush years.

Posted by: Vic at October 30, 2009 04:50 AM (CDUiN)

21 pie > cake .

Posted by: trailortrash at October 30, 2009 04:51 AM (2Z+7j)

22 I've been wondering how much of this vaunted 3.5% GDP growth was mainly due to Government money being pumped to the states to "stimulate" job growth. Given that the other economic indicators like housing and employment are still down, I'd say that this GDP blip isn't much to be happy about. Yeah, it signals that the period of actual decline may be over, but it doesn't do much to indicate a recovery, either. And there's a real danger of the "double-dip" as the housing market goes into the winter doldrums and the car-buying public continues to stay away in droves.

Any nation that has banks that were not heavily exposed to the alt-a and subprime mortgage industry in the United States are doing quite well.  They are creating jobs at this point.  PIMCO is now talking about the Fed starting to pull out of propping up US housing stock.  Rates will go up.

This 3rd quarter growth is a Chicago rouse.  What tricks will there be to play up 4th quarter numbers?

Posted by: WTFCI at October 30, 2009 04:52 AM (EbpbH)

23 Cake?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at October 30, 2009 04:52 AM (Zis4D)

24

I was present in the United States. The United States employs two hundred million people. Ergo, I created/saved/did not flush two hundred million jobs.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at October 30, 2009 04:53 AM (4FkTt)

25 So if the analysis is faulty, please explain WHY.

You just asked the dumb kid to do calculus.

Posted by: dogfish at October 30, 2009 04:54 AM (ov3Hi)

26 I was reading a article in USA TODAY that stated the German Govt. now admits that their cash for clunkers program will cost them future car sales for 5 years. They said it was a mistake. I wish that I had saved the Article. It was about a month ago.

Posted by: mystry at October 30, 2009 04:54 AM (kmgIE)

27 It was my idea, therefore, it was a great idea.

Posted by: Pointy Haired White House aide at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (4Kl5M)

28 Edmunds.com, really?

What's next? The United Way?  Homeless shelters?

Posted by: wHodat at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (+sBB4)

29 Shut up and eat your vegetables, Barry.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 30, 2009 04:55 AM (Do9Eu)

30 I told you before: NO CAKE

Posted by: Joe Wilson at October 30, 2009 04:56 AM (lDdA/)

31 "You sir, Cake or Death?" BOTH!

Posted by: Government Rendition of an Eddie Izzard Joke! at October 30, 2009 04:56 AM (rzJpR)

32 It won't surprise me if they do some kind of Cash for GM Cars Only bullshit next time.

-- Posted by: BigWyo at October 30, 2009 09:48 AM (mT7uC)

That would surprise me a bit.  Congressional Dems in the Rust Belt proposed a "Buy American Provision" when C4C was originally considered.  That would be viewed as a straight-up Smoot-Hawley trade-war measure.  Foreign nations would respond with tariffs and other similar actions. 

Having said that, none of the leading Democrats in DC seems to know anything about failed (or enormously counterproductive) economic policies from the past, so why not?   

Posted by: Beagle at October 30, 2009 04:57 AM (sOtz/)

33 The fight against cake.

Posted by: Olberdouche at October 30, 2009 05:00 AM (Zis4D)

34 Any nation that has banks that were not heavily exposed to the alt-a and subprime mortgage industry in the United States are doing quite well.

Maybe...but they're not loaning money out, or at least not in the amounts that small to medium-size businesses need them to. They're continuing to hoard cash, which is not a good thing for the economy going forward. Given that a lot of job creation comes from businesses with 250 employees or less, not being able to get business loans is very bad news.

Unemployement is always touted as being a "lagging indicator", but there's reason to believe in this particular case that the unemployment numbers may be chronic -- that is, that the jobs lost won't be recovered later on when the economy improves. Many of the jobs lost were lost in the blue collar sector: construction, services, manufacturing. And many businesses are simply eliminating those positions -- either by automation or by reallocation (moving overseas, cutting product-lines, whatever). The early 1980's unemployment was erased (and then some) during the huge tech boom, but there's nothing like that on the horizon right now. Entrepreneurs can't get seed money to start up firms, which means that there's no potential for later exploitation of new technologies (biotech, especially).

Posted by: Monty at October 30, 2009 05:00 AM (4Pleu)

35 They went straight from adjectives to assertion and skipped argument. I wish someone would just tell them they're not fooling anyone.

Posted by: DrSteve at October 30, 2009 05:01 AM (t+B7A)

36 What tricks will there be to play up 4th quarter numbers?

There's going to be the holiday shopping which props up numbers a bit.  What I read though, the retailers are expecting real bad news.

Posted by: CUS at October 30, 2009 05:01 AM (wOGfT)

37 Cake is banned

Posted by: wHodat at October 30, 2009 05:02 AM (+sBB4)

38

Pie = su*ck.

Cake = goodness

Red Velvet Cake = Multiple hookers, val-u-rite Vodka, & assorted rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

Good stuff, that is.

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:04 AM (GFlNV)

39 Has the Administration attempted to explain the German government report that found that their "Cash for Clunkers" program damaged the domestic German auto markets for five years? Would love a link to that study, in English, if any of you morons have it.

Posted by: Jean at October 30, 2009 05:10 AM (tTdaQ)

40 I enjoyed the "Why Investors are Wild for Brazil" umm...article over at the link.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at October 30, 2009 05:11 AM (JK1hx)

41 The chicken, it will not fuck itself, guys. Time to hustle! Chickens are known liars.

Posted by: Robert Gibbs at October 30, 2009 05:11 AM (4Kl5M)

42
If the cake isn't chocolate, you're a racist.

Or maybe you're a racist if the cake is chocolate. Let me check with Jeremiah and get back to you.


Posted by: Barack Obama at October 30, 2009 05:11 AM (Kg/sh)

43 I especially like the "Mars" comments.  It gives it that authentic junior high school newspaper feel.

"Vice Principal Williams is counting the number of loud lunchroom groups.  Well, maybe he should try the lunchrooms on MARS.  LOL!"

Posted by: Techie at October 30, 2009 05:12 AM (cxW4X)

44 what's a few trillion between friends

Posted by: Geithner & Summers at October 30, 2009 05:17 AM (1kwr2)

45 Now wait a minute! The gov gave a $4k credit to anyone who would use that $ for a down on a new car. How the heck did it go from $4k to $24k? And, if the GDP is so damn good, then why are there more people getting laid off Mr. Prez?

Posted by: kim in vancouver, usa at October 30, 2009 05:20 AM (WBfk9)

46 "Grappling with the end of the popular “cash for clunkers” government stimulus programme, car dealerships in Germany are offering discounts of up to 42 percent on new vehicles, magazine Auto Motor und Sport reported on Thursday."

"Auto sales dropped dramatically following the September 2 end to the Abwrackprämie, which offered Germans €2,500 to scrap their old cars and buy new models.

A comparison of 60 car model prices by Auto Motor und Sport found that car manufacturers were offering an average of 21 percent off. Opel dealers offered the highest discount of 42 percent for their old Astra model...."

At least C4C 'only' cost billions, and not a trillion -- the new billion.   I remember when a few billion seemed like a lot of money to spend on something wasteful and counterproductive.  I must be old.


Posted by: Beagle at October 30, 2009 05:21 AM (sOtz/)

47

Cake? Raaacist? Nevar!

Oh... "bake" does sorta kinda (in a flakey way) sound like "race", so maybe....

Guess we'll have to go with Bake Free* products from now on.

* - otherwise known as "no bake", as in cookies (a fond memory for us of the *ahem* experienced generation...

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:22 AM (GFlNV)

48

Speaking as someone with a severe chemical reaction to Red Dye #40, red velvet cake is the incarnation of pure evil in pastry form.

Now Devils' Food -- that there is some good stuff.

Posted by: Joanna at October 30, 2009 05:23 AM (gJQTg)

49 Also, Cash for Clunkers is Teh Suck. But you already knew that.

Posted by: Joanna at October 30, 2009 05:25 AM (gJQTg)

50

Got this from my brother-in-law

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.
Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.
Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.
Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is for you to use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.
Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up. Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely :

• If you spend the stimulus money at Wal-Mart, the money will go to China .
• If you spend it on gasoline, your money will go to the Arabs.
• If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .
• If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico , Honduras and Guatemala .
• If you buy a car, it will go to Japan or Korea .
• If you purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan .
• If you pay your credit cards off, or buy stock, it will go to management bonuses and they will hide it offshore.

Instead, keep the money in America by :
1 spending it at yard sales, or
2 going to ball games, or
3 spending it on prostitutes, or
4 beer or
5 tattoos. (These are the only American businesses still operating in the US .)

 

Conclusion : Go to a ball game with a tattooed prostitute that you met at a yard sale and drink beer all day

Posted by: Mike H at October 30, 2009 05:27 AM (LdYLm)

51

Ah, not to get too far off (this is a MilBlog, after all), but "red dye # 40"????

WTF?

Any good cook from below the M-D line would sooner watch the feckless fools on the food channel than use dye in a true Red Velvet.

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:28 AM (GFlNV)

52 Jess, just what the heck do you think makes red food coloring red? Most recipes I know use a whole bottle of the stuff. What are you using?

Posted by: Joanna at October 30, 2009 05:32 AM (gJQTg)

53 Any good cook from below the M-D line would sooner watch the feckless fools on the food channel than use dye in a true Red Velvet. Where does one draw the line on Mogen David? Wouldn't it make the batter purple?

Posted by: ignorant northerner at October 30, 2009 05:32 AM (4Kl5M)

54

Enough MD & the batter falls down.

 

Heh.

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:33 AM (GFlNV)

55 Enough MD & the batter falls down Bottom of the fifth and the bags are loaded!

Posted by: zombie Vaudeville comedian at October 30, 2009 05:36 AM (4Kl5M)

56 No joke, you use wine? This is a whole new world opened up to me ...

Posted by: Joanna at October 30, 2009 05:37 AM (gJQTg)

57

2. Edmunds also ignores the beneficial impact that the program will have on 4th Quarter GDP because automakers have ramped up their production to rebuild their depleted inventories.

Major automakers including GM, Ford, Honda and Chrysler all increased their production through the end of the year as a result of this program, which will help boost growth beyond the third quarter. The actions of private market participants, who would not increase production if they didn’t think demand for their product would be there through the end of the year, is a far better indicator of market dynamics – and one that Edmunds.com conveniently ignores.


This is pure fantasy. Car makers didn't ramp up crap. They were sitting on so much excess inventory it's ridiculous. If this worked out as they suggested does that mean they won't be closing all those dealerships? If you believe this car sales will just keep booming so much they will need them.

If these carmakers really did increase prodcution for the 4th quarter then the entire management should be fired. There isn't an economist in the country who think car sales are on the increase.

Posted by: Rocks at October 30, 2009 05:37 AM (Q1lie)

58

Joanna, you need some new recipes.

A true Red Velvet is made with traditional (not "Dutch press") chocolate which turns a deep reddish brown when cooked w/vinegar & buttermilk.  For a good final touch of color, spoon in a bit of beet juice into the batter.

Trust me, there's no dye anywhere near my Red Velvet cakes. Just soft, moist, chewy goodness.

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:39 AM (GFlNV)

59 No joke, you use wine? Actually, it was a joke, hatched in #53

Posted by: the wiseguy who started it at October 30, 2009 05:42 AM (4Kl5M)

60

"Shakespeare's point was something along the lines of protesting too loudly kinda makes you look bad"

More accurately, if you protest in a dramatic or drawn-out way, you're probably hiding something / lying.  Which makes you look bad, yes, if someone is perceptive enough to catch it.  Whereas if you're speaking truth it's likely straightforward.  If you're referencing Hamlet.  Methinks.

Posted by: isostan at October 30, 2009 05:42 AM (isLP4)

61 "The cake is a lie"

Posted by: Portal Player at October 30, 2009 05:42 AM (Q1lie)

62

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

 

Rocks @ 57 is correct.  No automaker is "ramping up" a da*n thing.

CfC could've had a decent impact in one way - if the approved "car" list had been banged up against inventories - but that didn't happen.

All it did was to move sales from one time period to another.  Nothing more, nothing less.

PS... well, not quite true - a # of dealers (bad, evil Rethuglicans all) took it in the *** since CfC "payouts" have been slim or none.

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:44 AM (GFlNV)

63 @57, I've also noticed Retail stores are not stocking as much inventory. It goes to the sidebar story - "The Year of John Galt".

A business owner yesterday on Glenn Beck complained about lack of credit lines for small business. This will snowball...

Posted by: Mike H at October 30, 2009 05:46 AM (LdYLm)

64

The Cake is NOT a lie,

Der Kuchen ist der Kuchen!!!

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 05:47 AM (GFlNV)

65 If this worked out as they suggested does that mean they won't be closing all those dealerships?

One thing is for sure.  Sales per dealership will explode upwards.  I wonder when they'll use that metric.

Posted by: CUS at October 30, 2009 05:48 AM (wOGfT)

66

I, um ... Jess, I think I love you. *wipes away tear*

Seriously, I saw Paula Deen make it once (my mom watches her, don't judge me) and the batter looked like house paint. It made me twitchy just looking at it.

Vive la cake of truthiness!

Posted by: Joanna at October 30, 2009 05:50 AM (gJQTg)

67

This is pure fantasy. Car makers didn't ramp up crap. They were sitting on so much excess inventory it's ridiculous. If this worked out as they suggested does that mean they won't be closing all those dealerships? If you believe this car sales will just keep booming so much they will need them.

The funny thing is that the data clearly shows car sales dropped dramatically after C4C ended; in other words, demand was pulled forward so sales in the 4Q are going to be down as well.

The whole program was a moral hazard on so many levels.  Any car in the program had to be crushed and have its engine destroyed, instead of letting the dealer either clean it up and resell it, or recycle it for parts.  Americans who owned their current car free and clear added even more debt to their ledgers; I'd love to see the repo stats on these cars within a year, because high unemployment is going cause many people to default.  And all indicators right now show that Christmas is going to be very rough this year; consumer confidence is in the 40% range right now.  Since all the excess inventory is gone now, for the most part, dealers will have a hard time pushing any new vehicles they get on their lot by the end of the year, so the chances some dealerships close up next year are pretty damn good.

Overall, the whole criticism from the administration is so childish; Edmunds is a respected site that's helped a lot of people make decisions on their car purchases, in no small part to the consumer reviews that are posted.  That the White House would even pick a fight like this shows what a bunch of thin-skinned propogandists they are.  It's doubly ridiculous because the administration's counter-claims aren't even remotely accurate.

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at October 30, 2009 05:53 AM (/Pw+r)

68 My boss calls this and the first time home buyers income tax credit the "Bankruptcy Lawyer's Employment Protection Act" and he is damn right. Those that took advantage of this program are those that might not have been able or wanted to buy a new car in the first place. Instead they get a paltry 4k and think it's time to go whole hog and trade in a car they might not owe anything on. they take home a new car, yes, but they also take the corresponding debt.

The same trick works for the home buyer credit. The fallout from creating even more debt is yet to be seen, but I know that bankruptcy might be the place to practice for the next few years.

Posted by: Alex at October 30, 2009 05:58 AM (udP2l)

69

shucks, ma'm, it was nothin.  It's my Mom's old recipe.

 

Posted by: Jess at October 30, 2009 06:16 AM (GFlNV)

70 With all this incessant whining, the administration is doing everything they can to take ownership of the economy.  I can't wait to hear the noise when it tanks again and they realize that their programs didn't do anything in the long run except kick the can a little further down the road.

Posted by: Steve L. at October 30, 2009 06:17 AM (Gkhxf)

71 Its the "Help keep GE UAW Solvent Act of 2010"

FIFY

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2009 06:30 AM (r8/Km)

72 Heh, check out the bunker mentality already, and they haven't even gotten 5% of the hostile news barrage that was aimed at Dubya. When does full-nutbar paranoia mode set in?

Posted by: exdem13 at October 30, 2009 06:44 AM (lYKj1)

73 This is actually getting funny, because no one is going to believe them when they continue to try to discredit EVERYONE

Posted by: Texmom at October 30, 2009 06:54 AM (WzN8I)

74 -- either by automation or by reallocation (moving overseas, cutting product-lines, whatever).

Same result, but isn't the thought process more like "well, I can get this done overseas cheaper, and since this recovery seems like a debt-financed house of cards, better to do that than hire real workers"

I don't think there will be a recovery until Obama and Pelosi are sufficiently neutralized to rule out deathcare taxes, and crap+trade taxes.  And that means no recovery, at the very least, until a year from now; election day, a year from now.

And Pelosi's and Reid offering yet another deathcare bill isn't helping; it looks dead, and then gets up again...

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 30, 2009 07:16 AM (aYS5W)

75 Dr. Steve @ 35: "They went straight from adjectives to assertion and skipped argument. I wish someone would just tell them they're not fooling anyone."

Au contraire--everything Obama's gang of marxists does is enthusiasically approved by at least half the electorate--including Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi.  If Obama announced a program to flat-out *give* a house and car to everyone in the country, half the people would praise it as a brilliant idea.  The MSM would gush about how Obastard "really cares" about people--unlike those evil, hard-hearted Rethuglicans.

Lest you think this is hyperbole:  Look at the praise Ogabe has won for programs that are nothing more than government giving cash to potential voters.  Cash for clunkers, mortgage subsidies, mortgage renegotiation to easier terms, and now socialized medicine--all government giveaways.

Of course it never occurs to the recipients to wonder where the money comes from--as one welfare queen remarked, "it's Obama's money."

Far too many people believe you can get something for nothing.

And the rest of us are willing to play by their rules and let them run the country.

I've about had enough of that, thanks.

Posted by: sf at October 30, 2009 07:34 AM (xz5dP)

76 Question: Do you trust the White House or Edmunds.com?
Democrats: The White House! And you're unpatriotic if you don't!
America: Are you serious?


Posted by: jimmuy at October 30, 2009 07:38 AM (EzcbY)

77 The White House proved that the "analyses" was wrong by putting quotes around "analyses."

Posted by: Crusty at October 30, 2009 08:26 AM (qzgbP)

78 Hmmm... seeing B's HO's punching back twice as hard at every valid criticism, it's interesting to ruminate on what would be different in the world today if we'd seen even 1/10th this much pushback from the Bush Administration every time The Left Wing Media let loose with a bona fide lie.

Posted by: goy at October 30, 2009 09:20 AM (+Gze8)

79 Now this is getting to be almost comical. 

What next?  Chastising TV Guide for providing listings of Fox shows? 

Posted by: Y-not at October 30, 2009 09:24 AM (sey23)

80 So, here I am with no job, but cash in hand, looking at long term devaluation. I used Edmunds.com to come up with my decision.

I traded in a 12 year old GM clunker that needed more work than it was worth to get roadworthy again, for $4.5K towards a new Toyota pickup. I owned that clunker outright, and paid cash for the new truck, so I own it debt free, too.

Thanks for the subsidy morons!


 

Posted by: TacoDriver at October 30, 2009 12:18 PM (ZBeai)

81 I noticed the start of that and pointed it out in yesterdays Edmunds thread when I said:

The thing that got me is that rather then just repeating the line that the program was a success the DOT guy had to attack Edmunds.  This is true in all liberal arguments, there not based primarily in facts but in partisan hate and attacks.

"It is unfortunate that Edmunds.com has had nothing but negative things to say about a wildly successful program that sold nearly 250,000 cars in its first four days alone," said Bill Adams, spokesman for the Department of Transportation.

This really is a government of whiners and children, top to bottom!
David

Posted by: LifeTrek at October 30, 2009 12:36 PM (tJTIW)

Posted by: ttrtrtrert at November 06, 2009 12:25 AM (wYEI1)

83 visualizzazione del tempo non è affatto nuova (un approccio simile è stato utilizzato nel nuovo orologio IWC Da Vinci Calendario Perpetuo Digital Data mesi), il disegno del movimento è rivoluzionario e lo stesso orologio è splendida nella sua

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