November 29, 2010

Minor Fire Set At Mosque Where Portland Terrorist Worshipped So We're the Real Terrorists Or Something
— Ace

A few points.

Genghis speculates that this fire might actually have been set by a member of the Religion of Peace -- certainly it's possible. That sort of thing happens a lot. Aggrieved minority stages "hate crime" to garner sympathy... and license.

No evidence that that's what happened, but then, no evidence really running in any direction, so I'm not crossing that one out.

Muslims at the mosque, meanwhile, are worried about... terrorism.

"I've prayed for my family and friends, because obviously if someone was deliberate to do this, what's to stop them from coming to our homes and our schools?" said Mohamed Alyagouri, a 31-year-old father of two, who worships at the center. "I'm afraid for my children getting harassed from their teachers, maybe from their friends."

Welcome to the party, pal. I don't like terrorism directed at anyone but I do appreciated pointed irony.

One point that can't be forgotten is that there's a pretty decent chance that his fellow worshippers actually tipped the FBI to his hot talk of terrorism.

A little more irony: Portland is one of those jackass liberal cities that resisted Bush's anti-terrorism efforts to save America or something.

In 2005, leaders in Portland, Oregon, angry at the Bush administration's conduct of the war on terror, voted not to allow city law enforcement officers to participate in a key anti-terror initiative, the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. On Friday, that task force helped prevent what could have been a horrific terrorist attack in Portland. Now city officials say they might re-think their participation in the task force -- because Barack Obama is in the White House.

...

In the Mohamud case, it appears that Portland's anti-law enforcement stand might actually have influenced Mohamud's decision to undertake an attack in the city. According to the FBI affidavit, the undercover agents asked whether he worried that law enforcement would stop him. "In Portland?" Mohamud replied. "Not really. They don't see it as a place where anything will happen. People say, you know, why, anybody want to do something in Portland, you know, it's on the west coast, it's in Oregon, and Oregon's, like you know, nobody ever thinks about it."

Among the wisest bits of advice for liberals Bush offered was Just because you're not interested in terrorism doesn't mean terrorists aren't interested in you.

Of course, they ignore it. They're so lovey-dovey and hippy-dippy no terrorist would ever consider bombing their precious little hug-huddles.


Posted by: Ace at 07:57 AM | Comments (198)
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1 What's in my hand?  The world's smallest violin.


Posted by: EC at November 29, 2010 07:59 AM (mAhn3)

2 It's Oregon.  Whoever set the fire was probably just trying to toast some marshmallows for his friends the Muslims.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 29, 2010 08:00 AM (McG46)

3 "Its like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife"

Posted by: Carnivore at November 29, 2010 08:00 AM (DyuqI)

4 First Muslims invent fire.  Next up; the wheel.

Posted by: NASA PR Fluffer at November 29, 2010 08:01 AM (GwPRU)

5 Us patriotic conservative Americans set the fire: I doubt it, see , we are the ones holding down jobs, paying our taxes, and bringing up our kids. No time to fuck with your precious mosque.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 29, 2010 08:02 AM (0GFWk)

6 Ironic that Civil War 2.0 will start on the left coast.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2010 08:02 AM (EL+OC)

7

who worships at the center

Why do they call it a center?  Isn't that the same bullshit claim they're using at the GZM?  Is there any actual mosque in the country or are they all actually "centers"

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 08:02 AM (oVQFe)

8 Portland has a big problem on its hands, and it's not the terrorist wannabes.  It's their own fucked up liberal citizenry.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2010 08:03 AM (mAhn3)

9 Post 9/11, quite a few attacks on muslim own businesses, turned out to be "muslim lightening." My guess is that it was cold and someone was sneaking a smoke inside the mosque instead of stepping outside and the match began a fire.

Posted by: Moi at November 29, 2010 08:03 AM (Ez4Ql)

10 Liberals do everything because of who they hate.  If Bush told them, "Don't shoot yourself in the face" there would be a rash of Liberal suicides. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 29, 2010 08:03 AM (bvfVF)

11 "I've prayed for my family and friends, because obviously if someone was deliberate to do this, what's to stop them from coming to our homes and our schools?" said Mohamed Alyagouri, a 31-year-old father of two, who worships at the center. "I'm afraid for my children getting harassed from their teachers, maybe from their friends."

Bull.  If they were afraid of retaliation, they wouldn't put that neon sign on their women called the hijab or niqab.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2010 08:04 AM (BvBKY)

12 The first thing that came to mind when I saw this news item was that the fire had been deliberately set in the office to destroy documents that might implicate others who worship there. Doesn't it seem strange that the fire was set in the office and not the worship areas? It reminded me of the molotov cocktail thrown through the window of a democrat politician(Carnahan maybe?) and immediately blamed on Republicans. It turned out to be a disgruntled staffer.

Posted by: Sharon at November 29, 2010 08:04 AM (xdlXv)

13 >>One point that can't be forgotten is that there's a pretty decent chance that his fellow worshippers actually tipped the FBI to his hot talk of terrorism.


I believe the FBI discovered this idiot by tracking known terrorist's e-mails, so the congregation probably kept it's mouth shut and hoped for the best, which may have been a successful attack.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2010 08:04 AM (LLZiU)

14 I still can't believe a Christmas tree lighting ceremony (and a huge one) was "allowed" to take place in Portland.

Posted by: ktgreat at November 29, 2010 08:05 AM (8hklH)

15

Fire at the Reichstad Mosque?  Whod've thunk it.

Posted by: Warthog at November 29, 2010 08:05 AM (WDySP)

16 14 I still can't believe a Christmas Holiday tree lighting ceremony (and a huge one) was "allowed" to take place in Portland.

Posted by: ktgreat at November 29, 2010 01:05 PM (8hklH)


Mo'better.


Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2010 08:06 AM (EL+OC)

17

Put me down in the 'they set it themselves' camp. I don't expect there are a whole lot of hate-filled arsonists out there who'd take the time to find their way into an inner office in a building when just splashing some gasoline inside the front door will do.

This fire's a win-win for the mosque: they get to position themselves as hate-crime victims and destroy any inconvenient records before the FBI comes calling.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 29, 2010 08:07 AM (oPceJ)

18 14 I still can't believe a Christmas tree lighting ceremony (and a huge one) was "allowed" to take place in Portland. Posted by: ktgreat at November 29, 2010 01:05 PM (8hklH) My guess is that the emphasis is on the "tree" and not the "Christmas".

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 29, 2010 08:08 AM (02uN6)

19

How do we infidels get access into the office of a mosque?

And yeah, we're weirdos here in PDX.  The theory used to be that the jihadis won't shit where they eat, but the crocodile is not keeping its part of the bargain to eat us last.

The Somali community here has exploded.  We're importing our own Africans, since African Americans are too smart to live here.  The Somali jihadi element isn't the most sophisticated, though, so at least we can catch these fools before much damage is done. 

Posted by: s'moron at November 29, 2010 08:08 AM (UaxA0)

20

Wanna have some fun? 'Leak' the 'news' that the fire was started by an ecoterroist group that was protesting halal meat handling. Watch hilarity ensue.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 29, 2010 08:08 AM (R2fpr)

21

Self set, and Ace is a puss.

 

Posted by: Pelvis at November 29, 2010 08:09 AM (LlaBi)

22 I have run out of any kind of belief that Muslims are capable of decency.  I'm sure they set the fire as well, and as others point out, destroying some incriminating documents would be a good excuse.  Who in ultra-liberal Portland is going to set fire to a mosque? 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 29, 2010 08:09 AM (bvfVF)

23

Why only post this once?

 

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2010 08:10 AM (vVqZy)

24 Welcome back Ace, hope you are all rested, the next 4 weeks should be interesting in watching what the dems will try to do with their last chance at the destruction of the republic.

As for the mosque, welcome to our reality if it wasn't self inflicted.  If it was, then use a bigger fire next time.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 29, 2010 08:11 AM (JcRgg)

25 A hmm or your consideration - curiously, areas of worship were not set on fire, but the offices. Computers and financial records burned right up. Super hater seems to hate filing systems of "the other".

Posted by: SarahW at November 29, 2010 08:11 AM (Z4T49)

26 ... and destroy any inconvenient records before the FBI comes calling. Posted by: TiredWench at November 29, 2010 01:07 PM (oPceJ) I'm sure that's what it was. Now that the guy has been arrested and the case is out in public the leadership at the bomb factory mosque probably realized that they had information on the guy that would implicate them in some way and in a panic tried to destroy it in the most complete way possible- by burning it.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 29, 2010 08:11 AM (02uN6)

27 I call bullshit. Muzzie version of Tawana Brawley. Garnering sympathy and probably cashing a fire insurance check. "because obviously if someone was deliberate to do this, what's to stop them from coming to our homes and our schools?" Muzzie dipshit, if they were serious they'd be using hunting rifles. Other than cowardly acts of terrorism, the only Muzzie contribution to civilization is ceaseless whining. Hey, just cuz you hooked up with ugly women is no reason for the rest of us to suffer. Now, about that Somali "teenager" who "acted alone" -- I say bullshit to that, too. Bah humbug.

Posted by: cali grump at November 29, 2010 08:11 AM (hL0k8)

28 Computers and financial records burned right up.

What a perfect opportunity for Insurance fraud.

Posted by: Tami at November 29, 2010 08:13 AM (VuLos)

29 This fire was set in the office and the office only. People  with a grudge against a religion go for the place of worship, the altar or prayer room, or the basement. They don't light up the office. Who starts a fire in the office? You know where the business records and computers are kept? Somebody trying to cover up embezzlement that's who. This is somebody at the mosque taking the opportunity of the publicity to cover their tracks.


Posted by: Rocks at November 29, 2010 08:13 AM (Q1lie)

30
Earlier this year the town of North Adams in the western part of Massachusetts agreed to "adopt" some of the freed Gitmo prisoners.

They were ready, willing, and able to welcome the victims of the Bush admin's oppression just as soon as Obama was going to close the facility.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 29, 2010 08:13 AM (uFokq)

31

The official name of the ceremony is the "annual Tree Lighting Event"

Portland would never, EVER use the word Christmas if it doesn't absolutely have to, as in identifying teh day itself. (even then, you'll probably see "winter holiday")

Posted by: s'moron at November 29, 2010 08:13 AM (UaxA0)

32 20 Wanna have some fun? 'Leak' the 'news' that the fire was started by an ecoterroist group that was protesting halal meat handling. Watch hilarity ensue.

Oooh, you're good, .

When was the last time a Muslim attacked their own mosque here and blamed it on the infidels?



Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 08:14 AM (9hSKh)

33 Mmm...my sympathy meter right now reads at 0. Maybe cause it's in Portland. I love their gardens, but the people there are unbelievable. I remember when we went there on vacation, I was about 12 and we were driving around looking for the big Farmer's Market and thought we might've found it, but it turned out to be a big Pride festival. We were tipped off by the giant sign that said Got lube?. A few blocks away, there was another gathering that had something to do with pirates. So, we were just driving around watching fat lesbians walk to the pride festival and other people dressed as pirates walking to that event. That day, I remember thinking, These people do not live in the real world. I got into politics soon after.

Posted by: EmilyM. at November 29, 2010 08:14 AM (jVGvd)

34

We should like totally put one of those mosque thingys in lower Manhattan.  I mean, it's pretty obvious the extremist Muslims are sticking to the larger metropolitan areas.

Like Portland. 

Posted by: Chad at November 29, 2010 08:14 AM (o1JFa)

35 We sure have become free with the term "terrorism" now. Once setting fire to a church was called arson. Then it became a hate crime if the church was frequented by blacks. Now if it is a Muslim church it is an act of terrorism?

Give me a damn break.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2010 08:15 AM (e4sSD)

36

Unless Assange gets it, we aren't going to know how the FBI tracked this. The timeworn phrase "just careful police work" has already come up. There is just a chance that this case could have been cracked without warrantless wiretaps, which seem to be the major sticking point with opponents of the Patriot Act.

Had we world enough and time, it would be instructive to have parallel agencies work for a while, one under traditional civil-liberty constraints and the usual hot-pursuit exceptions, and the other with all the supposed resources of data-mining. The smart money is still on a tough cop willing to knock every wobbly Red right down the church steps.  

There was an old SDS legend about Seattle, that the FBI moved in on a radical cell that turned out to be made up entirely of government agents provocateur and informants--no genuine radicals at all. This boy's defense will likely hinge on that 'entrapment' angle. I don't think it will keep him out of reform school.

Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 29, 2010 08:15 AM (hrwMe)

37
Holder said he personally takes "attacks on Islam very seriously."

But not attacks perpetrated by Islamists, which do not exist.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 29, 2010 08:15 AM (uFokq)

38

I would like to hear if the people that worship at this mosque also think it was 'awesome' that Americans jumped to their deaths on 9/11. That's what Mo Osman Mo said anyway.

They can speak up either way.

Until then I really don't give a shit about their mosque.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2010 08:15 AM (pLTLS)

39 OT, like there is such a thing here...

What's going on with the DREAM act aka Amnesty? I hear Kirk is being sworn in today. Does this mean they have it in the bag?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 29, 2010 08:16 AM (4Ad2A)

40 Where there's smoke, there's fire

Where there's terrorism, there's a Muslim

( two laws of the physical universe )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 29, 2010 08:17 AM (UqKQV)

41


Was the broken glass on the inside of the building or outside?


Posted by: s'moron at November 29, 2010 08:17 AM (UaxA0)

42 God, this act gets old.

Posted by: Bitsko at November 29, 2010 08:17 AM (8/KZN)

43

Holder condemned this "attack" but had nothing to say about the Muslim terrorist who wanted to bomb the tree-lighting ceremony.

We're in good hands.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2010 08:18 AM (G5JPI)

44 Holder said he personally takes "attacks on Islam very seriously." He really said that?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 29, 2010 08:18 AM (0GFWk)

45 Yeah, Fox is doing a news poll now asking if we should consider wikileaks and act of "terrorism". The overwhelming majority of the respondents said yes.

People are damn stupid.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2010 08:21 AM (e4sSD)

46 Wanna have some fun? 'Leak' the 'news' that the fire was started by an ecoterroist group that was protesting halal meat handling. Watch hilarity ensue.

Another fun question - how many korans were burned in this fire?

Posted by: Bomber at November 29, 2010 08:21 AM (qzoN5)

47 It's unfair to automatically assume the Muzzies did it themselves. It could have been leftist agitators too.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 29, 2010 08:22 AM (0IR+C)

48 #45 People are damn stupid.

At least 52% of the voting public are. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 08:23 AM (9hSKh)

49 Wake me up when a christian mob gathers and burns the homes of the mosque attendees.

Kinda like this, but backwards

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 29, 2010 08:23 AM (nB/2f)

50 Yes, I'm sure PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS in PORTLAND will be harassing the shit out of Muslim kids.

Posted by: buzz at November 29, 2010 08:23 AM (i27M5)

51 >>>I believe the FBI discovered this idiot by tracking known terrorist's e-mails, so the congregation probably kept it's mouth shut and hoped for the best, which may have been a successful attack. Ah, okay, thanks.... but still, the possibility remains open; confidential sources are often protected by a cover story.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2010 08:23 AM (nj1bB)

52 Since when do Mormon teabaggers worship at a mosque?

Posted by: John Galt at November 29, 2010 08:24 AM (NLWij)

53 How many times do I have to say this?  When you tie your goat to the post at night, take the lantern with you.  This doesn't involve math.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at November 29, 2010 08:25 AM (HaYO4)

54 Hillary is looking damn sexy at her news conference.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 29, 2010 08:25 AM (nB/2f)

55 See? Even Cthulhu thinks it's BS: "ÊæÈíßÇÊ ÍÒíäå ÝÑÇÞ 2011 ÊæÈíßÇÊ ãÇÓäÌÑ ÌÏíÏÉ 2011 ãäÊÏíÇÊ..."

Posted by: cali grump at November 29, 2010 08:28 AM (hL0k8)

56 I figured that Spencer would have something to link to on this...and here it is.

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2010 08:28 AM (vVqZy)

57 55 Hillary is looking damn sexy at her news conference. Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 29, 2010 01:25 PM (nB/2f) I just threw up in my mouth a little...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 29, 2010 08:29 AM (02uN6)

58 I wonder, were those who worship at this "center" told to stay away from the Tree Lighting Ceremony?

Posted by: wiserbud at November 29, 2010 08:29 AM (EW49d)

59 One point that can't be forgotten is that there's a pretty decent chance that his fellow worshippers actually tipped the FBI to his hot talk of terrorism.
_________

I think I heard Fox&Friends this morning claim that his father tipped off the FBI, but I was mostly asleep at the time, so I can't be certain.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 29, 2010 08:30 AM (FzhYM)

60 "I'm afraid for my children getting harassed from their teachers, maybe from their friends." 1. The Koran teaches Muslims that they must not be friends with non-Muslims. 2. Talk to the Iraqi Chaldean and Coptic Christians about true harassment and fear. 3. You guys likely set the fire yourselves to gain sympathy for yourselves. 4. If you're so fearful, go back where you came from and teach your fellow Muslims not to persecute and kill Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc.

Posted by: apodoca at November 29, 2010 08:30 AM (JCHdz)

61 50 Yes, I'm sure PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS in PORTLAND will be harassing the shit out of Muslim kids.     Sorry, we're too busy harassing kids for putting American flags on their bikes.

Posted by: The Teachers Union at November 29, 2010 08:30 AM (zgZzy)

62 The arsonists of these Mosques don't appear to be nearly as accomplished as the arsonist who burned Sarah Palin's church.

Posted by: kansas at November 29, 2010 08:30 AM (mka2b)

63

4. If you're so fearful, go back where you came from

reverend...

er, um...

Imam!

Posted by: Helen Thomas at November 29, 2010 08:31 AM (vVqZy)

64 I wonder, were those who worship at this "center" told to stay away from the Tree Lighting Ceremony?

Yeah. It's in the koran.  "Don't associate with the infidels."

Posted by: Bomber at November 29, 2010 08:32 AM (qzoN5)

65 Los Vietnamese y los Republicanos van a quemar abajo todas las mezquitas.

Posted by: Loretta Sanchez, (D) Aztlan at November 29, 2010 08:32 AM (0IR+C)

66 >>Ah, okay, thanks.... but still, the possibility remains open; confidential sources are often protected by a cover story.


From Oregonlive.com :

>According to the FBI affidavit, the case began in August 2009 when Mohamud was in e-mail contact with an unindicted associate overseas who was believed to be involved in terrorist activities. In December 2009, while the unindicted associate was in a frontier province of Pakistan, Mohamud and the associate discussed the possibility of Mohamud traveling to Pakistan to participate in violent jihad.

>The associate allegedly referred Mohamud to a second associate overseas and provided him with a name and e-mail address. In the months that followed, Mohamud made several unsuccessful attempts to contact the second associate.

>Ultimately, an FBI undercover operative contacted Mohamud in a June 2010 e-mail under the guise of being an associate of the first unindicted associate.


I don't think the FBI would lie in an affidavit, so no local hero most likely.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2010 08:32 AM (LLZiU)

67

Insert Greg Oden joke here.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 29, 2010 08:33 AM (B+qrE)

68 59 I wonder, were those who worship at this "center" told to stay away from the Tree Lighting Ceremony?

Do you really think they have to be told to stay away?

Posted by: kansas at November 29, 2010 08:33 AM (mka2b)

69 Sorry, we're too busy harassing kids for putting American flags on their bikes.

That's old news.  Now they're banning red and green.

Posted by: Bomber at November 29, 2010 08:34 AM (qzoN5)

70 Insert Greg Oden joke here.

FIFM.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at November 29, 2010 08:35 AM (0IR+C)

71

This just in

The Portland City Council just condemned the attempted terrorist act on the grounds that it would have prevented them from getting a court order to take down the tree.

So it was kind of a jurisdictional greivance, basically

Posted by: Call me Lennie at November 29, 2010 08:35 AM (GOsSG)

72 I would add that the very program liberals complain about most (intercepts where one party is an American) is the one most likely to have prevented this attack, and the officials in Oregon still won't participate in the joint terrorism task force assigned to prevent these attacks. I guess they can keep their hands clean while the rest of us do their dirty work.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2010 08:36 AM (LLZiU)

73  Sorry, we're too busy harassing kids for putting American flags on their bikes.

Posted by: The Teachers Union at November 29, 2010 01:30 PM (zgZzy)

That was in CALIFORNIA. This is OREGON, two TOTALLY different states. Duh!

Posted by: Typical Libtard at November 29, 2010 08:37 AM (1+OO5)

74 Allahu Firestarter!

Posted by: Portland Moose Limbs at November 29, 2010 08:37 AM (zgZzy)

75 I'll start worrying about a mosque fires as soon as the TSA stops worrying about my junk and starts screening for, you know, terrorists.

Sorry that somebody feels the need to burn your place of worship, but you clowns need a reformation in the worst way..,

Posted by: Original Mikey is now Uncle Mikey at November 29, 2010 08:37 AM (kayGZ)

76

re: 35 -- pretty soon, throwing an egg at Ali ben Ali's smoke shop on halloween will be called a crime against humanity.

and yeah, this fire sounds like an inside job. I can hardly wait till the Holder Justice decides to investigate the local Tea Party.

Posted by: mallfly at November 29, 2010 08:37 AM (bJm7W)

77 #70  That's old news.  Now they're banning red and green.

That is ridiculous.  Will only white be acceptable for a winter color scheme? 

/White?  Why, that's a racist color!  It is the color of imperialists and conquerors.  Guess there must be no color that can safely be associated with Winter. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 08:38 AM (9hSKh)

Posted by: Leslie Nielson rip at November 29, 2010 08:38 AM (vVqZy)

79

Moreover,

Experts now estimate that if the bomb had been real, the explosion would have been so immense it would have killed every Portlander at the tree lighting ceremony -- All three of them

Posted by: Call me Lennie at November 29, 2010 08:38 AM (GOsSG)

80 That goes for you, too, Utah.

Posted by: Leslie Nielson at November 29, 2010 08:39 AM (vVqZy)

81

Will only white be acceptable for a winter color scheme?

 

White is the color of the invaders.  It is unaccaptable.

Posted by: Crying Indian On The Side Of The Road at November 29, 2010 08:39 AM (zgZzy)

82 You too can sponsor a child from Ethiopia. . . that grows up to be a terrorist.

Posted by: Sally Struthers at November 29, 2010 08:40 AM (zgZzy)

83 Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that this really is someone trying to terrorize the members of this mosque.

To them I say in the immortal words of Officer John McClane, "Welcome to the party, Pal!"

I also offer them the same opportunity for introspection the rest of America is supposed to take when terrorist kill the rest of us.  They should ask themselves, "What did we do to deserve this.  Surely no one would attack us without provocation, we must now change to suit our tormentors."

Of course, the most likely possibilities are that this some "lone idiot" (agree that's unlikely- the mosque office?) or an inside job.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 08:41 AM (8y9MW)

84 70 That's old news. Now they're banning red and green.
__________

The Possum Lodge and duct tape manufacturers hardest hit.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 29, 2010 08:42 AM (xGZ+b)

85 79

Oregon?

Nice Beaver!

lol, I have never seen the first Naked Gun.  My loss. 

In PA, there was once a "Beaver College".  They changed their name to Alvernia a few years ago, for reasons you can undoubtedly figure out on your own,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 08:42 AM (9hSKh)

86
If the fire was set in the "holy sanctuary"...redneck vigilante.

Fire set in some random office?  Inside job.

Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2010 08:43 AM (/eIgc)

87 The commenters at the Oregonian have convinced me Islam is a beautiful religion of peace, Somalis are beautiful peaceful people who bring joy and prosperity to their city by enhancing its diversity, the federal government violated the poor kid’s privacy and rights (both civil and human), and anyone who disagrees with them is a racist fascist hater.

Their proof is that they so desperately want to believe these things, so that should be good enough for us, eh?

/

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2010 08:43 AM (4ucxv)

88 If the fire was set in the "holy sanctuary"...redneck vigilante.

Fire set in some random office?  Inside job.
Posted by: RarestRX at November 29, 2010 01:43 PM

I'm thinking they needed some new office equipment.

Posted by: huerfano at November 29, 2010 08:44 AM (QgmBR)

89 What's in my hand?  The world's smallest violin.


Posted by: EC at November 29, 2010 12:59 PM (mAhn3)

Thread winner.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 29, 2010 08:44 AM (MK6Kx)

90

I'm thinking they needed some new office equipment.

 

They have my stapler.  I'll burn the building down . . .

Posted by: Mitlon Waddams at November 29, 2010 08:45 AM (zgZzy)

91 lol, I have never seen the first Naked Gun. My loss.... Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 01:42 PM (9hSKh) Aside from being a very funny movie it is also kind of spooky- watching OJ Simpson play a comedic role while knowing what he would later become.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 29, 2010 08:46 AM (02uN6)

92

In PA, there was once a "Beaver College".  They changed their name to Alvernia a few years ago, for reasons you can undoubtedly figure out on your own.

 

It used to be an all girls college.  I have a high-school friend who went there the year they shaved it down and allowed men to attend. 

He was playing the odds.  Didn't work out that well for him, either.

Hadn't heard that they cahnged their name...damn shame.

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2010 08:47 AM (vVqZy)

93 Julian Ass-Hands?

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2010 08:47 AM (G5JPI)

94 Now we need to ask the burning question...

What kind of computers were they? 
And where was Justin Long?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 29, 2010 08:47 AM (nB/2f)

95 That's old news.  Now they're banning red and green.

Posted by: Bomber at November 29, 2010 01:34 PM (qzoN5)

That's about 30 minutes away from me. Thank God I'm not putting my kids in public schools. We want to send them to the Catholic school in our parish, but if the money part doesn't work out I'll just home school them instead.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 29, 2010 08:47 AM (MK6Kx)

96

Old joke -

Imam stated he was terribly concerned about the reprecussions from tomorrows terrorist attack.

Posted by: Have Blue at November 29, 2010 08:48 AM (mV+es)

97 Now they're banning red and green.

Aren't the altar colors for Advent blue or purple?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2010 08:48 AM (4ucxv)

98

In PA, there was once a "Beaver College".  They changed their name to Alvernia a few years ago, for reasons you can undoubtedly figure out on your own.

 

They actually changed is to Arcadia University.  Alvernia is a college near the center of the state, I think.  Arcadia (formerly Beaver) is just outside Philly.

Posted by: Mitlon Waddams at November 29, 2010 08:48 AM (zgZzy)

99 All of us know what needs to be done here in the US.  Nobody wants to say or write it, but it's the only solution to the problem.  No, it doesn't involve any killing, but it does involve a shit-load of travel plans.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 08:49 AM (pV2aS)

100

Oh sure I bitch and bitch about this last night on the ONT and now there's a post about it, now that my anger has finally receded. Now I'm just all pissed off again.

We've had articles all weekend here in the Pacific Northwest about how the local Somali communities are fearing a backlash and violence against them, complete with pictures of sad, sad women in their hijabs. What's been noticably absent is pictures of the little kids at the tree lighting that would've been blown up if this plot had succeeded--especially since the guy essentially said he didn't care if lots of women & children got hurt.

I'm supposed to feel sorry for the Somali community, well hell no, not until they are sorry that one of their own tried to blow up families.

Posted by: ParanoidAndWarmAgainInSeattle at November 29, 2010 08:49 AM (RZ8pf)

101 Now two years into the Obama administration, they think maybe joining with the FBI isn't such a bad idea ...
Obama's record on terrorism and civil liberties is so different than Bush's .. NOT
H.R.ObamaStuff is all hot air, but his FBI and DHS are probably worse

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 29, 2010 08:50 AM (tE8FB)

102 I have a high-school friend who went there the year they shaved it down and allowed men to attend.

I find that shaved beavers are more likely to allow male entry than the furry kind also.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 29, 2010 08:50 AM (tf9Ne)

103 What's the  big deal?  Christians are killing people every day!

Posted by: Travis Smiley, Chief Reporter, Sesame Street at November 29, 2010 08:50 AM (ZJhGK)

104 Where the fuck is my double post? Dammit it's nearly 1400 hours, Ace is back, and not ONE double posting.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at November 29, 2010 08:51 AM (eCAn3)

105 It's 11 a.m. and it's only 57 degrees. I don't think I'm going to make it, morons.

Posted by: Moi at November 29, 2010 08:51 AM (Ez4Ql)

106 My first impression when this story came out was that, after their first bomb did not go off in the town square they tried to make it stronger and ended up starting a fire in the bomb making room office.

Posted by: A Bouts at November 29, 2010 08:51 AM (SBjFf)

107 Sunni mosque or Shia?

Posted by: 8 at November 29, 2010 08:52 AM (jo7gO)

108

In PA, there was once a "Beaver College".  They changed their name to Alvernia a few years ago, for reasons you can undoubtedly figure out on your own

 

Because using animals as mascots is cruel, unjust and unfair!

Posted by: Dim Member of PETA at November 29, 2010 08:52 AM (OWjjx)

109 complete with pictures of sad, sad women in their hijabs.

Hey, it's not us racist facist haters forcing them to wear those things.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2010 08:52 AM (4ucxv)

110 55 Hillary is looking damn sexy at her news conference.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 29, 2010 01:25 PM (nB/2f)


Well, lunch wasn't that great anyhow. bastard.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at November 29, 2010 08:53 AM (eCAn3)

111 You know those shit-holes that name their kids Chris Christianson or Tommy Thompson? They have nothing on the doucher who names his kid Mohammed Mohamud. What an asshole. Might as well name your kid "Shit-Shit" and be done with it.

Posted by: JDW at November 29, 2010 08:54 AM (uw+0A)

112 They actually changed is to Arcadia University.  Alvernia is a college near the center of the state, I think.  Arcadia (formerly Beaver) is just outside Philly.

My mistake.  Your are right, of course.  Alvernia is in Reading, near the PSU branch campus there.  I always confused the two, silly me. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 08:54 AM (9hSKh)

113 They're banning red and green because they don't want to offend kids who don't believe in Christmas or Santa Claus???  F*ck that.

When I was in elementary school, I didn't believe in long division, but they still oppressed me with it!

Posted by: Original Mikey is now Uncle Mikey at November 29, 2010 08:54 AM (kayGZ)

114

What's the  big deal?  Christians are killing people every day!

If you read the comments on the NW news media sites, there are lots and lots in that vein. Also that we don't "understand the Muslim religion" and if we did we'd see that they are peace loving.

Also, exactly how did "bubba redneck mosque burner" find out that this particular mosque is where the bomber went? It wasn't in any of the initial reporting of the event.

Posted by: ParanoidAndWarmAgainInSeattle at November 29, 2010 08:55 AM (RZ8pf)

115

My mistake.  Your are right, of course.  Alvernia is in Reading, near the PSU branch campus there.  I always confused the two, silly me

 

 

Don't ever f**king do it again, or it's your ass!

Posted by: Alvernia Debate Team at November 29, 2010 08:56 AM (zgZzy)

116 Also, exactly how did "bubba redneck mosque burner" find out

Moussad!

Posted by: Travis Smiley, Chief Reporter, Sesame Street at November 29, 2010 08:58 AM (ZJhGK)

117 They probably did it themselves.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 29, 2010 08:58 AM (9zzk+)

118 Also, exactly how did "bubba redneck mosque burner" find out that this particular mosque is where the bomber went? It wasn't in any of the initial reporting of the event.

All part of the FauxNews/Bushitler/Haliburton conspiracy of evil.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 29, 2010 08:58 AM (4ucxv)

119

 Might as well name your kid "Shit-Shit" and be done with it.

 

Pork-Pork

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 08:59 AM (pV2aS)

120

 

That's about 30 minutes away from me. Thank God I'm not putting my kids in public schools. We want to send them to the Catholic school in our parish, but if the money part doesn't work out I'll just home school them instead.

 

As someone who routinely spends damn close to 15K a year on private Catholic education….even if you have to start hocking body parts, do it. The education is better, the kids behave better, the kids value system is better and the negative influences that bombard kids today is greatly reduced. Is it perfect….no.  But, as someone who is not Catholic (I married into it) and has, at best, a skeptical view of the Catholic Church, I would recommend it to damn near anybody.

 

Oh, and a large number of colleges will weigh your kid’s GPA a little higher if they are from a private institution than a public institution. Just don’t expect them to admit that on the record…..but the first 10 seconds into the college visit, they are more than willing to drop that little bit of info on you once they realize where the kid went to.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 29, 2010 09:00 AM (OWjjx)

121 #115 

Also, exactly how did "bubba redneck mosque burner" find out that this particular mosque is where the bomber went? It wasn't in any of the initial reporting of the event.

Good point.  If this hypothetical mosque burner didn't know the bomber went to the "Islamic Center" in Corvallis, wouldn't the most logical target based on location been the Islamic Center of Portland, or some other mosque in Portland proper? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 09:01 AM (9hSKh)

122 Did any Jews fail to show up around the Christmas tree lighting? 

Posted by: Stupid OR Islamists at November 29, 2010 09:02 AM (9hSKh)

123

Did any Jews fail to show up around the Christmas tree lighting

 

Everyone knows fires don’t burn trees!

Posted by: Ed Asner and Jesse Ventura at November 29, 2010 09:04 AM (OWjjx)

124 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 02:01 PM (9hSKh)

You seek plausibility where the Muslim shielding Media what only "OUTRAGE!!!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:05 AM (8y9MW)

125

"As someone who routinely spends damn close to 15K a year on private Catholic education….even if you have to start hocking body parts, do it. The education is better, the kids behave better, the kids value system is better and the negative influences that bombard kids today is greatly reduced. Is it perfect….no.  But, as someone who is not Catholic (I married into it) and has, at best, a skeptical view of the Catholic Church, I would recommend it to damn near anybody.  

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 29, 2010 02:00 PM (OWjjx) "

agree 100%. we are struggling financially, but, it's with good reason.

Posted by: Vergeltung at November 29, 2010 09:07 AM (jttPx)

126

What's in my hand?  The world's smallest violin dick.

FTFY



 

Posted by: Sorry, but that softball had to be hit at November 29, 2010 09:07 AM (sqNU7)

127 Maybe it's just me, but has anyone noticed the doubling down on the tv advertisements begging us not to be prejudiced against non-whites who happen to believe differently from that of most Americans.  Also, there seems to be added emphasis on shows supporting the global warming meme.  Perhaps I'm only noticing some of this now, but I doubt it.  The marxist hammering has started, I think.  They're trying to shove a little harder.  This last election has them scared, and when they were so, so close to fullfilling the socialist dream. 

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 09:10 AM (pV2aS)

128 Yeah, Fox is doing a news poll now asking if we should consider wikileaks and act of "terrorism". The overwhelming majority of the respondents said yes.

The operative word here should be "treason", not terrorism.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 29, 2010 09:12 AM (7BU4a)

129

agree 100%. we are struggling financially, but, it's with good reason.

 

I like to drive by the Catholic High School occasionally with the kids and point out that there is my new High Def Flatscreen or their mother’s Mercedes Benz….just so they get the point.

 

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 29, 2010 09:12 AM (OWjjx)

130 Look, we're all redneck terrorist threats here- or 'conservatives', if you will- so tell me, if your target is a mosque, would you set fire to "a room" in the mosque? Something doesn't add up.

Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2010 09:13 AM (FcR7P)

131 This is the same mindset that thinks the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because they knew if they did so, there'd be reprisals against Japanese Americans, and therefore we should be punished by being attacked. All Mohamedians can feel free to leave. They immigrated under false pretenses, they're hear to colonize us.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2010 09:14 AM (QxSug)

132 Now they're banning red and green.

Any child caught bleeding red will be immediately suspended!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2010 09:16 AM (xxgag)

133

Posted by: apodoca at November 29, 2010 01:30 PM (JCHdz)

What's apodoca?

Posted by: Sammy at November 29, 2010 09:17 AM (CKW49)

134 I live in NYC, and there is a fair bit of douchebaggery behavior when it comes to temples, lots of swastikas painted on the doors into the temple, fires started against the temple doors, etc., but there has not been, to my recollection, a fire in the temple's administrative offices where office equipment and records were burned and no other damage.

Like a lot of morons, I am calling bullshit on the terrorist attack theory. My guess either CYA fire or distraction to take attention away from the attempted bombing of a Christmas tree lighting ceremony. And yes, I did use the word Christmas.

Posted by: Penfold at November 29, 2010 09:17 AM (1PeEC)

135 Muslims and liberals have many tarits in common. One of them, cause a bunch of problems for normal people, then complain about the normal people. Another thing, when Odumbo is voted out of office, I will be just as happy seeing that pos Holder leaving office. He is a disgrace.

Posted by: bowel movement at November 29, 2010 09:17 AM (Mul5k)

136 This was probably the work of the same dude who slashed the tires of the Westboro freak family.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 29, 2010 09:18 AM (G/MYk)

137 Portland is one of those jackass liberal cities that resisted Bush's anti-terrorism efforts to save America or something.

Yet one more reason I'm thankful that I no longer live in that Stupid-laden hive of granola-munching, Grateful Dead-worshiping, eco-hippy Liberal infestation. And the weather sucks, too.

Posted by: Sweet Lucifer Morningstar at November 29, 2010 09:20 AM (q/Y+m)

138 @131 - That's an interesting question, and it depends upon how "sophisticated" the arsonist was.

Most religious bigotry arsonists aren't very sophisticated.  They chunk a giant-sized Malatov Cocktail through the window into the Sanctuary and speed off.

However- providing a fairly sophisticated arsonist who already had (or knew they could obtain) access to the room in question- there could certainly be a case for setting the fire in a room away from the main sanctuary.  If you're hoping that the fire catches and really gets going before its noticed and/or the Fire Department can arrive, you'd do exactly that- set it in as inaccessible a place as possible to provide the most potential for the most damage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:20 AM (8y9MW)

139 And they (Portlanders) can't drive in a little snow!!!! I will NEVER ever stop enjoying watching that mind-blowing video!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 29, 2010 09:21 AM (SB0V2)

140 Princeton University students are weighing in on a Middle Eastern issue with a referendum today.

The issue is hummus.

The student group Princeton Committee for Palestine is calling for university-run stores to offer alternative brands of the Middle Eastern chickpea dip. The group says the only brand currently available at the university's stores is Sabra.

Some students say the brand, owned by PepsiCo and Strauss Group, is linked to human rights violations because it has supported members of the Israeli military

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at November 29, 2010 09:23 AM (LdYLm)

141 ... or was that a "Document Burn" at the mosque ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 29, 2010 09:24 AM (tE8FB)

142 However- providing a fairly sophisticated arsonist who already had (or knew they could obtain) access to the room in question- there could certainly be a case for setting the fire in a room away from the main sanctuary.  If you're hoping that the fire catches and really gets going before its noticed and/or the Fire Department can arrive, you'd do exactly that- set it in as inaccessible a place as possible to provide the most potential for the most damage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 02:20 PM (8y9MW)

 

Hmmmm.  So I take it that AllenG (dedicated tenther) is not your real name.  Hmmmmm. 

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 09:25 AM (pV2aS)

143 Some students say the brand, owned by PepsiCo and Strauss Group, is linked to human rights violations because it has supported members of the Israeli military

War crime hummus.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2010 09:27 AM (xxgag)

144 Rush: "It just doesn't seem like Christmas until we have a Muslim bombing."

Posted by: RushBabe at November 29, 2010 09:28 AM (a3Z62)

145 Portland. Come for the libtardation, stay for the bomb construction.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 29, 2010 09:28 AM (AZGON)

146 I think all airline passengers should be given tasers while boarding their flight. If any terrorists get out of line, someone would be able to immediately disable them.

Posted by: bowel movement at November 29, 2010 09:29 AM (Mul5k)

147 By the way, is the rule now that any fire or potential arson is terrorism, but say, gang activity is not?

Posted by: George Orwell at November 29, 2010 09:29 AM (AZGON)

148 #139  If you're hoping that the fire catches and really gets going before its noticed and/or the Fire Department can arrive, you'd do exactly that- set it in as inaccessible a place as possible to provide the most potential for the most damage.

One other point.  The fire was discovered by an on-duty police sergeant.  The story didn't say if he was tipped off, but I assume he wasn't.  Is patrolling around this mosque part of his normal beat?  If so, it would be easy enough to set this fire in the office and time it so that this particular police officer catches the fire before it spreads beyond the confines of the office. 

I'm not saying that this couldn't be some "redneck" arsonist, but given the points already brought up here and the Islamist's penchant for starting "false-flag" operations to garner sympathy, I'm leaning towards the fire being set as an "inside job".

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 09:30 AM (9hSKh)

149 73 I would add that the very program liberals complain about most (intercepts where one party is an American) is the one most likely to have prevented this attack,

That was called "Domestic Spying" if you remember.  On top of the fact that if you call Pakistan, you can be damned sure that the ISI will do everything they can to intercept the call.

 and the officials in Oregon still won't participate in the joint terrorism task force assigned to prevent these attacks. I guess they can keep their hands clean while the rest of us do their dirty work.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2010 01:36 PM (LLZiU)

Yup.  It makes their consciences feel all good as they rail against the grown-ups who protect their sorry asses.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2010 09:31 AM (T0NGe)

150

MUSLIM SENSITIVITY TRAINING - SOUTH PARK STYLE!

http://tinyurl.com/2uje3vg


 

Posted by: JDW at November 29, 2010 09:31 AM (uw+0A)

151 Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 02:25 PM (pV2aS)

Actually, this comes from being a table-top RPG player.  If you can't think that far ahead with my friends, you're completely doomed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:32 AM (8y9MW)

152 You know those shit-holes that name their kids Chris Christianson or Tommy Thompson?

*takes off jacket, rolls up sleeves*

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 29, 2010 09:32 AM (6n4bl)

153 @#152! Brilliant!

Posted by: JDW at November 29, 2010 09:33 AM (uw+0A)

154 If they are so fearful then I suggest a hasty return to Dar-al Islam. They will not be missed.

Posted by: SamIam at November 29, 2010 09:34 AM (IOff/)

155

 I think all airline passengers should be given tasers while boarding their flight. If any terrorists get out of line, someone would be able to immediately disable them.

Give them to the kids and watch the hilarity ensue.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 09:35 AM (pV2aS)

156

*takes off jacket, rolls up sleeves*

pauses to catch breath

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2010 09:36 AM (vVqZy)

157 157

*takes off jacket, rolls up sleeves*

pauses to catch breath

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2010 02:36 PM (vVqZy)

pauses to eat doughnut

Posted by: Radioactive Satellite Of LOVE at November 29, 2010 09:38 AM (LdYLm)

158 White guys confess.

Posted by: Eric Holder's Happy Ending at November 29, 2010 09:39 AM (pRKLf)

159 In answer to how someone might know about this mosque, there was an article in the local paper that tied the mosque to him http://tinyurl.com/279c8nm and it seems to be associated with OSU's Muslim Students' Association.  So attacking this mosque wouldn't be a big tell if somebody wanted to do some vandalism.

There's a statement of condemnation by the mosque at that site, but you will notice it starts to preach to non-Muslims after the rote condemnations.

That being said, I'm even more sure that it's a self-inflicted hate crime than usual for such events, given all of the circumstances here.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2010 09:39 AM (T0NGe)

160

Everyone partaking in 'Cyber-Monday'?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2010 09:40 AM (pLTLS)

161 Welcome to the party, pal

Whenever I hear or read that use of "pal," I think of legendary talk radio pioneer Bob Grant...GET OFF MY  LAWN  BLOG PHONE

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2010 09:40 AM (del3r)

162 Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 02:30 PM (9hSKh)

My only problem with this theory is that it requires a VERY sophisticated arsonist, and there just aren't that many.  About the only thing the movie "Back Draft" got right was that for someone to do that kind of damage they would have to be intimately familiar with how fire works inside buildings.

It's not enough to be able to conceptualize it, you have to be so familiar with the tendencies of fire that you could understand how it would react to the floors, the walls, whatever is in the ceiling, etc.  And that means you'd have to know most of those variables.  I know that if I were trying to actually burn down the building, I'd start it somewhere inaccessible.  (I would never do such a thing, but we're talking hypothetically here).  But I still wouldn't use the office, I'd use a supply closet or something.

I'm liking the "document burn" or "deflect attention" theories and think they're just taking advantage of the fact this got picked up nationally and taking the opportunity to play up all that anti-Muslim hatred we hear so much about (but see so little).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 09:40 AM (8y9MW)

163 They're so lovey-dovey and hippy-dippy no terrorist would ever consider bombing their precious little hug-huddles.

See, that's how you just *know* hippies are stupid morons.  I'm a peace-loving white-as-wonderbread flyover country average citizen, yet whenever I see hippies, I just want to punch them in the face until they bleed and beg for a shower.  I can't even imagine what muslim fanatics must want to do to them...

Posted by: Original Mikey is now Uncle Mikey at November 29, 2010 09:42 AM (wiQza)

164 @154

Thanks, JDW!  I just couldn't resist.

@158

I wonder if Christie would like Voodoo Doughnut.  Maybe that's what Oregon needs to get him over there to clean up the place.

Posted by: Guy of Gisbourne at November 29, 2010 09:45 AM (6n4bl)

165 Actually, this comes from being a table-top RPG player. If you can't think that far ahead with my friends, you're completely doomed. pauses to insert lead weight in 20-sider

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2010 09:45 AM (4Kl5M)

166 That being said, I'm even more sure that it's a self-inflicted hate crime than usual for such events, given all of the circumstances here.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2010 02:39 PM (T0NGe)

 

Actually I'll probably feel a bit disappointed if they find this is an inside job.  I'd like to think that someone is starting to fight back.  I'm getting really tired of these Mohead fuckers.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2010 09:46 AM (pV2aS)

167 Cry me a river  puddle  thimble eyedropper molecule of H2O .

(I sense the advent of a new posting gimmick...)

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 29, 2010 09:46 AM (del3r)

168 It's not enough to be able to conceptualize it, you have to be so familiar with the tendencies of fire that you could understand how it would react to the floors, the walls, whatever is in the ceiling, etc. And that means you'd have to know most of those variables. That's why I carry two cans of gas.

Posted by: amateur arsonist at November 29, 2010 09:48 AM (4Kl5M)

169 Where is Imam Ob'ama to punish the guilty? He said himself in Cairo that he "considers it one of the duties of the President to combat negative stereotypes wherever they exist." Strike the infidel with the Sword of Allah, O great imam! Alternatively, go fuck yourself, Barry.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2010 09:49 AM (Idoz0)

170 #163Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 29, 2010 02:40 PM (8y9MW)

Point taken.  Actually, I didn't assume that level of sophistication on the Islamist's part.  The scenario I had in mind is that somebody from the mosque lit a small fire in the office, as a distraction move, around the time Officer Friendly was making his rounds and they got  lucky that their fire didn't become a raging inferno that incinerated the whole mosque.

But I'd agree - "document burn" or "distraction" are the two main motivations for them to set the fire themselves. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 29, 2010 09:51 AM (9hSKh)

171 ace, our very own runningrn was in the vicinity of the Tree Lighting ceremony at the time it was going down.  See comment #335 in Saturday's ONT.

Posted by: Canada at November 29, 2010 09:52 AM (pUfK9)

172 Uh, Canada?  I mean, how old is that sock?  Damn.

Posted by: Editor at November 29, 2010 09:53 AM (pUfK9)

173 I think this mosque set the fire themselves.

1. Get rid of evidence of their own guilt.

2. Get sympathy from the tolerant liberal morons who live in Corvallis/Eugene area.


Posted by: portlandon at November 29, 2010 09:53 AM (7t6U2)

174

"They're so lovey-dovey and hippy-dippy no terrorist would ever consider bombing their precious little hug-huddles."

Thank Gaia that Berkeley and San Francisco declared themselves 'nuclear free zones'!!

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 29, 2010 09:56 AM (+3fAP)

175 Has the idea of a "work accident" been addressed? That seems most likely.

Or, if some of the members of this mosque DID go to the FBI, then that would easily lead other members to fry the place.  That's how they usually do it.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 29, 2010 09:56 AM (G/MYk)

176 "Thank Gaia that Berkeley and San Francisco declared themselves 'nuclear free zones'!!" When I moved to SF in the early 80s, that was on the ballot. I could not figure out what the fuck they meant. Did they think it was going to prevent the commies from nuking us?? Yes, I was naive but not as naive as those stinking hippies.

Posted by: Moi at November 29, 2010 09:59 AM (Ez4Ql)

177 164 They're so lovey-dovey and hippy-dippy no terrorist would ever consider bombing their precious little hug-huddles.

See, that's how you just *know* hippies are stupid morons.  I'm a peace-loving white-as-wonderbread flyover country average citizen, yet whenever I see hippies, I just want to punch them in the face until they bleed and beg for a shower.  I can't even imagine what muslim fanatics must want to do to them...

Posted by: Original Mikey is now Uncle Mikey at November 29, 2010 02:42 PM (wiQza)

It's perfectly acceptable to substitute hippies for hobos.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 29, 2010 10:09 AM (YYaIP)

178

175 Beginning to think that, plus other outcome: causes members of mosque who might have dangerous ideas of actually, you know, integrating with crusading infidels to pull back and stick to their own little group out of drummed up fear and outrage...those imams can't let their flocks start venturing out and perhaps picking up those dangerous ideas, now can they?

and the typical "we're victims" spin...thank you MFM for helping them out with that once again

Posted by: unknown jane at November 29, 2010 10:12 AM (5/yRG)

179 69 59 I wonder, were those who worship at this "center" told to stay away from the Tree Lighting Ceremony?

Do you really think they have to be told to stay away?

Posted by: kansas at November 29, 2010 01:33 PM (mka2b)

The thread is probably dead but I will answer this.  Yes they do.  Oh, not about going to enjoy the lighting.  But because they would go there to protest the lighting.

Posted by: buzzion at November 29, 2010 10:12 AM (oVQFe)

180


Does anyone remember that news person who took photos of some terrorist looking douches on a barge or something, then decided it wasn't an important data point?

Oh no, that was that asshole David McCumber and it was in Seattle...

Seattle, Portland, same fucking place ideologically.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Caan at November 29, 2010 10:14 AM (tcSZb)

181 To paraphrase Michael Moore...  'but no one in Portland voted for George Bush'...

...and the homosexual pedophile Mayor of Portland is already rushing police to protect the Mosques...  from...  [drumroll please]...  the anti-Muslim backlash.

Posted by: DANEgerus at November 29, 2010 10:21 AM (e3/KR)

182 If the Islamists win, and they publicly hang Portland's mayor for being 'Gay', can I then hang a little sign on his toe that says 'told you so'?

Posted by: DANEgerus at November 29, 2010 10:30 AM (e3/KR)

183 88 The commentors at the Oregonian probably need to get out more -- like to a winter solstice festival tree lighting (with live tree and "green" not green lights)...and be sure and bring along those Somali youts, as they add an enriching aspect to the cultural event.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 29, 2010 10:33 AM (5/yRG)

184
How do we infidels get access into the office of a mosque?

The local mosque in my North Eastern Washington community, new as of last year, has a 10 foot cyclone fence with razor wire around it.

 How do you get into the office of the mosque, you ask?
 How do you get into the parking lot is more like it.

Posted by: Derak at November 29, 2010 10:34 AM (CjpKH)

185 and the homosexual pedophile Mayor of Portland is already rushing police to protect the Mosques...  from...  [drumroll please]...  the anti-Muslim backlash.

Posted by: DANEgerus at November 29, 2010 03:21 PM (e3/KR)

Is that the stupid cocksucker who called any prospective sources of backlash "knuckleheads"?  Who knew erg was the mayor of Portland?

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 29, 2010 10:35 AM (ccPlf)

186 100 I think I maybe in kinda sorta agreement there -- but never happen.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 29, 2010 10:39 AM (5/yRG)

187

From the linked article:

Anger on Sunday over a Somali-born teen's failed plan to blow up a van full of explosives during Portland's Christmas tree lighting ceremony erupted in arson on Sunday when a fire damaged an Islamic center frequented by the suspect, authorities said.

Police don't know who started the blaze or exactly why, but they believe the Islamic center in Corvallis was targeted because terror suspect Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19, occasionally worshipped there.

Let's see... the police don't know who started the fire nor why, but the paper reports the reason as anger over the terrorist's plot.  There is no reason stated for why they believe this place was "targeted" due to its being the worship place  of the terrorist.

Disconnect.

Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at November 29, 2010 10:46 AM (gH+Hj)

188 Clearly Halliburton and Bushitler set this fire. Or it was a cover-up or a fake "hate crime". There has been no anti-Muslim backlash, and there won't be a backlash. Americans are far more tolerant than the people who accuse us of being intolerant.

Posted by: nohammernosickl at November 29, 2010 10:55 AM (Z/zYN)

189 The Islamic Center fire was obviously started by the same NeoCon bastards who blew up the towers, cause everyone knows that fire doesn't burn mosques.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donell, desperate for any attention at all at November 29, 2010 11:11 AM (EW49d)

190

NPR ran several feature stories on the 2005 Portland opt-out of the JTTF, so obviously they considfered it a major story.  Now when they report on the bombing attempt that was thwarted by the very same JTTF, they don't mention it it at all.

This must be an example of how NPR gives its listeners the larger truth, the context beyond the simple story that commerical stations just don't take the trouble to report, right?  Right? Hello? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: sherlock at November 29, 2010 11:28 AM (Xq2WY)

191

"I've prayed for my family and friends, because obviously if someone was deliberate to do this, what's to stop them from coming to our homes and our schools?" said Mohamed Alyagouri, a 31-year-old father of two, who worships at the center. "I'm afraid for my children getting harassed from their teachers, maybe from their friends."

 

And that's why counter-terror works.  Not so fun when you have to start looking over your own shoulder. 

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 29, 2010 11:35 AM (xy9wk)

192

We demand an apology! Anyone who has ever watched Cops or Tru Tv knows we didn't do this because if we had there wouldn't be two bricks left standing together.

Posted by: Redneck Anti-Defamation League at November 29, 2010 12:14 PM (CZ+OU)

193 I don't know if it was set by the folks there at the Mosque or outsiders. Irrelevant to the main issue.

Mohammed Osman Muhamad was part of the organization, worshipped there, and obviously spoke out about his  intention to kill lots of infidels.

I think there is a strong case for a class action suit against the Mosque and EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED for personal damages/injury. And there should be daily protests and picket lines outside the Mosque. As a hotbed of Jihad. Indeed prominent Muslim leaders inside the Mosque deserve the attentions of picket lines and protests at their place of business or employment, at home, etc. so potential customers and neighbors know who is OK with Jihad aimed at killing them and their kids (at a Christmas Tree Lighting ceremony ... the real War on Christmas).

Burning a Mosque (again if it was outsiders not insiders) does nothing. Concerted legal protests and actions designed to BRING HOME THE COSTS OF JIHAD TO ITS SUPPORTERS is vital.

And failure to fight back just guarantees successful attempts, resulting in lots of dead bodies of folks attending Christmas Masses, parades, and other celebrations of Christmas.

Bottom line: the Muslims at the Mosque and the Mosque itself needs to be sued, and the people protested, daily. So they have complete ownership of Mohammed Osman Muhamad, and his actions.

Posted by: whiskey at November 29, 2010 01:21 PM (L03mw)

194 Ah those damn cowboys dressing up as Indians again.

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 29, 2010 01:47 PM (GwH6h)

195 Makes you wanna wish li'l Mohammud had targeted the Portland city hall, and succeeded.


Posted by: Sent-From-My-Commodore 64 at November 29, 2010 01:59 PM (4sQwu)

196 I read that the fire started in, and was almost entirely confined to, the office. Hmmmmm? Could that be where records of the terrorist's membership and attendance were? Along with other, more incriminating evidence of promotion of terrorism?

Posted by: LindaF at November 29, 2010 03:11 PM (9W16/)

197 134, go read history. Then wonder why apodoca.

Posted by: apodoca at November 29, 2010 03:45 PM (JCHdz)

198 Shakespeare declared absolutely nothing is either bad or good, but thinking can make it so. In the same way, delight is one area that in mind. It truly is proverbial that on the globe is long for happiness, everyone is seeking it as well as there's no certain strategy for finding it. For contentment brings about unique definitions to be able to person. Very easy be based upon the external conditions but is based on the inner thoughts among us.

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