July 31, 2012

Milton Friedman's Centenary
— andy

There are several good pieces at NRO on the 100th anniversary of Milton Friedman's birth. Here's an excerpt from that of one of Friedman's former students, Thomas Sowell.

Like many, if not most, people who became prominent as opponents of the Left, Professor Friedman began on the Left. Decades later, looking back at a statement of his own from his early years, he said: “The most striking feature of this statement is how thoroughly Keynesian it is.”

No one converted Milton Friedman, either in economics or in his views on social policy. His own research, analysis, and experience converted him.

As a professor, he did not attempt to convert students to his political views. I made no secret of the fact that I was a Marxist when I was a student in Professor Friedman’s course, but he made no effort to change my views. He once said that anybody who was easily converted was not worth converting.

Below the fold is a segment from a great appearance by Friedman on Phil Donahue's show in 1979. It's striking how much the questions from Donahue and his audience sound like the Obama/Fauxcahontas/Occupy Wall Street Democrat rhetoric today.

The entire interview is worth watching if you have ~45 minutes to spare.

Posted by: andy at 03:39 AM | Comments (156)
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1 Moments later, Gorka told Jonathan Martin, a reporter for Politico, to "shove it." About a half-hour later, the aide called reporters to apologize.

I like this new tone. Kiss my ass could be the new Rombley meme for dealing with an out of control press.

Posted by: sTevo at July 31, 2012 03:41 AM (WCngX)

2 Let me be clear, screw up, then apologize.

Posted by: sTevo at July 31, 2012 03:42 AM (WCngX)

3 Aw yeah, economics. Abortion and gay marriage are opinions, but economics is fact, the thing that makes the left truly wrong.

Posted by: JDTAY at July 31, 2012 03:45 AM (a0nis)

4 The Pencil: http://goo.gl/y1ebD I've seen it a thousand times and I still love it.

Posted by: Scobface at July 31, 2012 03:49 AM (IoNBC)

5 Donahue should have stopped talking 30 seconds into this interview.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 31, 2012 03:50 AM (nEUpB)

6 Posted by: JDTAY at July 31, 2012 08:45 AM (a0nis)

Eh?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 31, 2012 03:51 AM (nEUpB)

7 Wow, I had really forgotten what a stupid, smelly, turd Donahue was. Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: Mekan at July 31, 2012 03:53 AM (hm8tW)

8 This advice from Milton is going to be very important in the coming months and years.

<<In 1975, Milton Friedman said this: “I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.”>>

Video http://tinyurl.com/ch8ke37

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 31, 2012 03:56 AM (tf9Ne)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 31, 2012 04:03 AM (8y9MW)

10 Man I miss Milton.

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:03 AM (C2Y4l)

11 Oops I should have included the link from where I stole the Milton quote from in 8.
Here it is http://tinyurl.com/89pslns 
Discusses some current examples of the wrong people doing the right things.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 31, 2012 04:05 AM (tf9Ne)

12 One doesn't have to be a student of economics to know that socialism and Marxism are failures that can never work.  Indeed, it appears that the opposite is true. 


The best indicator is simple history.  The US is the only nation that has endorsed socialism that hasn't failed yet, and it is well on its way.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 04:05 AM (YdQQY)

13

Watching the full video right now. Hilariously Donahue claims hood ornaments impale babies, women and children at  5:50.

 

Hilarious

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:07 AM (C2Y4l)

14 I'm kind of shocked that Sowell was a marxist as late as university.  I was already getting punished for arguing with socialist teachers by the time I was a high school sophomore.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 31, 2012 04:08 AM (HLFzM)

15 Donahue should have stopped talking 30 seconds into this interview.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 31, 2012 08:50 AM (nEUpB)

You can see a few points where he wanted to try shouting Milton down rather than let him have his say.  He actually looks pissy just before they went to commercial break.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 31, 2012 04:08 AM (QZ5wR)

16

I can't watch the video at the   moment, but I remember enough of Donahue from when my mother would have him on in the background when I was a kid to know EXACTLY what the interview    must be like.    Good grief but Donahue was a bloviating old fool.   Is he still alive?   Did I miss it when he kicked the bucket?   Because he seemed like an octogenarian when I was still in single digits.

 

Man I miss Milton.

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 09:03 AM (C2Y4l)

 

Ditto.

 

Second look at Zombie!Reagan/Zombie!Friedman 2012?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 04:08 AM (4df7R)

17 8 This advice from Milton is going to be very important in the coming months and years.

<<In 1975, Milton Friedman said this: “I do not believe that the solution
to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing
is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it
politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.
Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right
thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they
try, they will shortly be out of office.”>>

Video http://tinyurl.com/ch8ke37
********

This will have to be repeated over and over. We are pushing a squish into office. We need to squeeze him in the right directions.

Posted by: Hobojerky at July 31, 2012 04:13 AM (MrM2k)

18 Remember when MSNBC gave Donahue a show and it got a 0.08 Nielsen rating and then he claimed his show was cancelled because he was anti-war

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:13 AM (C2Y4l)

19 Phil Donahue as fraking idiot for the ages. And none of the wisdom Friedman imparted made a dent in Phil's thick skull

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 31, 2012 04:13 AM (1Jaio)

20 Watched about half of the video.  It is clear that Donahue is a communist. I suppose that is most of Hollywood.


They went commie in the 30s.  A lot of them recanted in the 50s when it became apparent that they were going to lose their overpaid careers, but then the 60s came and they went back to being communists.


They just will not admit it.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 04:15 AM (YdQQY)

21 The video has been mentioned by Morons here for years. It is great stuff from a great man.

Posted by: USA at July 31, 2012 04:15 AM (6Cjut)

22 Phil Donahue is my hero. What a beautiful hunk of a man!

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at July 31, 2012 04:15 AM (IoNBC)

23

OT

This is why I love Allen West. Link @ nic

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 04:18 AM (OlN4e)

24 I've watched that series before.  It is very good.  With each question he shuts Donahue down and leaves him with no where to go.

Posted by: Tami at July 31, 2012 04:18 AM (X6akg)

25 Marxism is the indelible puke stain on the frat house floor of every university in existence since the publishing of his and Engels' filthy evil manifesto.

Posted by: Fritz at July 31, 2012 04:18 AM (/ZZCn)

26 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 09:08 AM (4df7R)
He is still alive.
Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 09:13 AM (C2Y4l)
An internal memo released by msnbc confirmed that he was cancelled because they didn't want his anti-war stance to become the face of msnbc.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 31, 2012 04:19 AM (QZ5wR)

27 Here's a great one:

http://tinyurl.com/d584zyw

A young man asks Friedman why we cannot have a society that strives for equality first.. the same thing the libtard OWS types cry about.. the income inequality "problem"

His short answer: "A society that aims for equality before liberty, will end up with neither equality nor liberty."

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 31, 2012 04:20 AM (UTq/I)

28 donahue is the perfect example of stupid is forever

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 31, 2012 04:20 AM (Ho2rs)

29

An internal memo released by msnbc confirmed that he was cancelled because they didn't want his anti-war stance to become the face of msnbc

 

Because MSNBC decided to promote Keith Olbermann as the face of the network.  See, Phil's problem was not that he was anit-war................it was that he wasn't anti-war and clinically insane.  See, Phil, the clinically insane element was very important.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 31, 2012 04:22 AM (OWjjx)

30 Heh I love Phil Donahue's exasperated expression at the end.

god what a gasbag

Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 04:22 AM (d/5qf)

31 This video shows that the first requirement of liberalism is stupidity. And not just any garden variety of stupidity but a pure raw stupidity generously garnished with hubris.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 31, 2012 04:24 AM (1Jaio)

32

Donahue is a schmuck, but I will give him credit. At least he lets Milton Friedman make his points and complete sentences. Could you imagine getting this type of interview today? On O'Reilly or some other anchor?

 

While I don't miss the old time media, I do miss the days when guests were allowed to make their point.

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:26 AM (C2Y4l)

33 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 31, 2012 09:22 AM (OWjjx)
He got the clinically, but yes, stupid is not insane.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 31, 2012 04:26 AM (QZ5wR)

34 Phil Donahue was not just a stupid fucking wind bag, he was a major pussy too. Too bad he's still stinking up my planet.

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 04:26 AM (OlN4e)

35 Communist Leaders are just gangsters. Communist followers are just wannabe gangsters and adults suffering from arrested development. Communism itself is an evil mind virus, a meme, that we will never be rid of. We can only hope to keep it bottled up.

Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 04:27 AM (t2228)

36 America needs Phil Donahue back on the air.  With brave television interviewers like Phil, the media would finally speak truth to power and expose the plans of the rich/industrialists and their GOP lap dogs in preventing President Obama's plans from growing this economy.  Only by having a truly robust media demanding that the Wall Street fat cats and their Republican lakey's spend money and fully support President Obama will this country ever get back on its feet.  This is why the people of Bartlesboro, Vermont, have a time slot on our local NPR station for Phil when ever he wants to come here and lend his magnificant voice in support of the President we love, President Barack Obama!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Bartlesboro, Vermont at July 31, 2012 04:27 AM (OWjjx)

37 his whole schtick was the gotcha question....followed by the smug smile....i love the disappointment on his face with each answer milton gives him....donahue drank the commie flavor aide early........

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 31, 2012 04:27 AM (Ho2rs)

38 Can anyone imagine a network talk show having a world famous economist as a guest today? Reminds of the Christmas show Sammy Maudlin had with Neil Simon, Marsha Mason, and John Kenneth Galbraith.

Posted by: Steff McKee at July 31, 2012 04:27 AM (gKyV6)

39 This appearance on the Open Mind reminded me Friedman wrote for Newsweek. Newsweek... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STFJZtRmpvs [28 mins]

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at July 31, 2012 04:27 AM (PUuQq)

40 ben donahue would not allow that if he had a show now......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny at July 31, 2012 04:28 AM (Ho2rs)

41 Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 09:26 AM (C2Y4l)
It looked to me like donahue really wanted to interrupt him to put forth more stupidity.  It would have been great if they supplied Milton with a chalkboard so he could diagram some ideas for phil and the audience.  I feel a lot of what he was saying was bouncing off phil's head instead of going in.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 31, 2012 04:29 AM (QZ5wR)

42 I feel a lot of what he was saying was bouncing off phil's head instead of going in.

"A lot"?  Try "all"

Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 04:30 AM (d/5qf)

43

Can anyone imagine a network talk show having a world famous economist as a guest today?

 

Wait.............we have a world famous economist on all the time........Paul Kruggman.  Yea, granted, half of our on-air personalities have no idea what the hell he is talking about (but, then again, Al Sharpton doesn't understand anything any of his guest are talking about) but still.........he is world famous!

Posted by: MSNBC at July 31, 2012 04:31 AM (OWjjx)

44

>>>>donahue would not allow that if he had a show now......

 

I would agree. That is a product of the times though. It reflects the change in our media.

I was watching a Johnny Carson interview with Ayn Rand the other day. It was amazing. He kept her on for the entire show and let her speak her mind, only interupting to ask questions or have her clarify a point.

There was a time in American media when shows would bring on one guest and have them make their point.

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:31 AM (C2Y4l)

45 I have watched the entire Donahue/Friedman interview and it is absolutely worth watching.  I was stunned by the fact that every single topic discussed was entirely relevent today.  They even discussed bailing out the auto industry.  It really is a must watch. 

Posted by: Bon Qui Qui at July 31, 2012 04:31 AM (+SXKV)

46 Can anyone imagine a network talk show having a world famous economist as a guest today? Reminds of the Christmas show Sammy Maudlin had with Neil Simon, Marsha Mason, and John Kenneth Galbraith. Posted by: Steff McKee at July 31, 2012 09:27 AM (gKyV6) And as our education system spirals into the abyss the problem just gets worse. People will not even know that there is something they don't know.

Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 04:32 AM (t2228)

47 Well it took thirty years of Donahue and Oprah, and assorted brain slugs to create
the climate.

Posted by: archie goodwin at July 31, 2012 04:32 AM (ctjsq)

48

>>>It looked to me like donahue really wanted to interrupt him to put forth more stupidity. It would have been great if they supplied Milton with a chalkboard so he could diagram some ideas for phil and the audience. I feel a lot of what he was saying was bouncing off phil's head instead of going in.

 

Donahue does argue a bit in the Q&A section of the show, but when they're sitting next to each other, Donahue let's Milton make his point.

It's not perfect, but compare it to today's news shows. Think of the last time you saw Bill O'Reilly. This Friedman-Donahue interview is much better in comparison.

I hate Bill O'Reilly, I think he's a populist, but I used to watch his show because he had the best guests. He would have on people that I wanted to hear speak. I don't watch him anymore because he won't let those people speak. He tries to finish their sentences(often incorrectly) and he dismisses their points while their making them.

I'm not saying I'm nostalgic for Donahue, but I am a bit nostalgic for the old fashioned interviews. Too often the interviews are dominated by the news personality. I would much prefer to hear the guest speak. That's why I tune in.

 

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 04:35 AM (C2Y4l)

49 Computers have a chance of saving us. I think it is already happening. The Internet is making lying and hiding facts more difficult. You now have to make a concerted effort to not know what is going on.

Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 04:36 AM (t2228)

50 You now have to make a concerted effort to not know what is going on.

We're not to that point, yet, but we're certainly to the point where it's very easy to find out what's going on.

But it's still easy to ignore current events, if you want.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 31, 2012 04:37 AM (8y9MW)

51 Who is that old guy that Phil Donahue is interviewing.............he doesn't look socially relevant......I can't even find him on Face Book......ugh

Posted by: Meggy Mac at July 31, 2012 04:39 AM (OWjjx)

52 The thing that allowed people like Donahue to flourish then was there were no alternatives to the MFM.  They had an absolute monopoly on information flow to the public.


They still have a monopoly on TV and newspaper news.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 04:39 AM (YdQQY)

53 You now have to make a concerted effort to not know what is going on.

Well, not really.  You just have to be lazy and set in your ways.  The libs who know nothing about Fast and Furious or who think ObamaCare only has a mandate in it are the ones who only get their news from left-wing sources because they don't bother to check anything else.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 04:41 AM (d/5qf)

54 Milton is great at not giving in to the liberal language.  "Needs" are not the same things as "Desires."  "Rights" are not "Priviledges"   Language is very important, and Milton doesn't give in.  "The need to grow" sounds negative.  "The desire to grow" is positive.  Very interesting.

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 04:41 AM (gmeXX)

55 I agree that the interview style was refreshing to watch, but even more, watching Milton's debate style.  I've many of his youtube videos and Love, Love, Love his debate style.  Maybe modern media prevents his style from existing anymore, but the way he handles Donahue throughout the show is brilliant.  He owns him without any ill mannered facial expressions or raising his voice one bit.

Posted by: Bon Qui Qui at July 31, 2012 04:41 AM (+SXKV)

56 7 Wow, I had really forgotten what a stupid, smelly, turd Donahue was. Thanks for reminding me.

Posted by: Mekan at July 31, 2012 08:53 AM (hm8tW)

He still is, though festering too.

Posted by: TexBob at July 31, 2012 04:42 AM (QIHD1)

57 Now that the Democrats have added same-sex marriage to their party platform, it is well to remember that the gay-rights movement was communist-founded, and that in its modern incarnation from 1969 onwards it was built on the objective of destroying marriage, family, and traditional religion. The gay-rights movement has been the most hostile entity towards the First Amendment in the United States in the last 40 years.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at July 31, 2012 04:44 AM (n0wVY)

58 Well, not really. You just have to be lazy and set in your ways. The libs who know nothing about Fast and Furious or who think ObamaCare only has a mandate in it are the ones who only get their news from left-wing sources because they don't bother to check anything else. Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 09:41 AM (d/5qf) That is what I meant. All the information you could ever use is right at your fingertips and you have to make the effort not to learn it or use it.

Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 04:44 AM (t2228)

59 Posted by: chemjeff at July 31, 2012 09:30 AM (d/5qf)

I was trying to be nice.  For some reason I  used to think ol' phil was intelligent. Must be the fact I was still under 10 and thought adults knew everything. 

Posted by: Ben at July 31, 2012 09:35 AM (C2Y4l)
I wouldn't know, I quit watching tv when even the cartoons stopped being entertaining.

Posted by: Deathknyte at July 31, 2012 04:45 AM (QZ5wR)

60 Buzzsaw@8, yes, end witholding

Posted by: Jean at July 31, 2012 04:46 AM (D5HuN)

61 Reminds of the Christmas show Sammy Maudlin had with Neil Simon, Marsha Mason, and John Kenneth Galbraith.

Posted by: Steff McKee at July 31, 2012 09:27 AM (gKyV6)

 

Oh, SCTV did another talk show like that once; a complete airhead of a host (Stan Something - he wasn't a recurrent character) who somehow managed to get the Holy Grail of guests on one show:  Aaron Copland, Betty Friedan and Alexander Solzhenitsyn.  Then he brings them out and asks them, "Who is your ideal woman?"  And despite all odds, they actuallly manage to get an interesting conversation going: Copland like Paula Prentiss, Betty went for Loni Anderson, and Solzhenitsyn like Drew Barrymore, because of her heavy eyebrows.  Then the host suddenly cuts them off and announces they're out of time. 

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 31, 2012 04:47 AM (KOHFD)

62

 He would have on people that I wanted to hear speak. I don't watch him anymore because he won't let those people speak.

 

This is why I don't even bother watching any of the talking head shows.  No one is allowed to finish a sentence.  It's infuritating and annoying and if I want to be constantly interrupted and yelled at and told that no I'm wrong about everything, I'll start dating again. 

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Our only hope. at July 31, 2012 04:48 AM (VtjlW)

63 51 Who is that old guy that Phil Donahue is interviewing.............he doesn't look socially relevant......I can't even find him on Face Book......ugh Posted by: Meggy Mac at July 31, 2012 09:39 AM (OWjjx) Milton Friedman IS on Facebook. http://facebook.com/MiltonFriedmanEconomist?id=328511362433

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at July 31, 2012 04:50 AM (QBSWR)

64 It's time for the Texas morons to wake up, shake off the hangover, and go vote for Cruz.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at July 31, 2012 04:50 AM (SDkq3)

65 We are in the Crazy Years right now.

Posted by: eman at July 31, 2012 04:51 AM (t2228)

66 This is why I don't even bother watching any of the talking head shows. No one is allowed to finish a sentence. It's infuritating and annoying and if I want to be constantly interrupted and yelled at and told that no I'm wrong about everything, I'll start dating again.

Posted by: alexthechick SMOD. Our only hope. at July 31, 2012 09:48 AM (VtjlW) <<<<<

 

 

 

 

You could try not dating assholes. Jus sayin'.....

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 04:53 AM (OlN4e)

67

Phil Donahue's first guest when he got a TV show back in 1968 was Madelyn Murray O'Hare.  He loved to have her on to tweak religious people. Phil grew up a Catholic and came to hate his own church.

 

Phil also had Ayn Rand on his show at least twice, and those were interesting too.  Uncle Miltie is much more self-assured than Ayn Rand, as he was used to debating and being attacked and disputed in public, and it took a lot to put him off stride (I never saw that happen).  Ayn Rand was not a public person and she was always surprised when she tried to be logical and reasonable and people reacted emotionally and attacked her.  Phil seemed to enjoy some of the criticisms of her, but I think he had her on because the was an atheist.

I grew up listening to Phil on the radio as a kid (back in the early '60's) and he wasn't always such a jerk.  He became one, more and more, over time.

 

John Kenneth Galbraith also vigorously disagreed with Milton Friedman, and used to say that Friedman's friendly and soft-spoken demeanor was what made him likable, since Galbraith hated his views on economics and politics.

Galbraith was quite the obnoxious collectivist when he was a New Dealer working for Roosevelt in the '40's. 

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at July 31, 2012 04:53 AM (RFeQD)

68

To everyone who thinks Milton Friedman is right are forgetting something.Socialism does work. My plan works.  The difference from all past attempt  at socialism is...

...Me

Posted by: Barrack Insane Obama at July 31, 2012 04:55 AM (SY7nI)

69 Milton is great at not giving in to the liberal language. "Needs" are not the same things as "Desires." "Rights" are not "Priviledges" Language is very important, and Milton doesn't give in. "The need to grow" sounds negative. "The desire to grow" is positive. Very interesting.

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 09:41 AM (gmeXX)

 

In my opinion, language is what is at the heart of ALL of the   hyper-partisan nonsense that playacts as political debate today.   The regressives have taken control and forced their own definitions         into every conversation until any devaiation from those definitions is viewed as heresy.   Our side has to stop accepting the     regressives' premises and start reasserting    reality.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 04:58 AM (4df7R)

70 Our side has to stop accepting the regressives' premises and start reasserting reality.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 09:58 AM (4df7R)

Statr with rejecting their basic premise: "People are perfectable, given a perfect program administered by a perfect party."

Posted by: Minuteman at July 31, 2012 05:04 AM (SY7nI)

71

I love how Donahue uses Sears and KMart  (this may be in the full interview), which are nothings now in the field of retailing.  That is the pefect understanding of how liberals think.  If you are at the top of  your industry, you will always remain so because you are so powerful.  Never thinking that a small store from po-dunk Arkansas will basically put them both out of business, never thinking that a geek thing like TCP/IP will lead to a store that may threaten them all. 

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 05:08 AM (gmeXX)

72 I had the pleasure of meeting Milton Friedman and having a great one-on-one conversation with him in his office at the University of Chicago back in the late 60s. He was as advertised, a gentleman and truly fine man. On his death in 2006 I wrote a piece about him in my blog, which you can read here:

http://starphoenixbase.com/?p=261

Posted by: Ruthless at July 31, 2012 05:09 AM (oYccn)

73

In the full interview, Donahue is very concerned with "multi-national corporations."  You never really hear that term used much anymore.

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 05:12 AM (gmeXX)

74 In the full interview, Donahue is very concerned with "multi-national corporations." You never really hear that term used much anymore. Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 10:12 AM (gmeXX) That's been replaced by outsourcing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 31, 2012 05:12 AM (05RcU)

75 bleh

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 31, 2012 05:13 AM (ZAYlH)

76 This is why I don't even bother watching any of the talking head shows. No one is allowed to finish a sentence. I stopped watching years ago for the same reason. I don't think I've missed anything.

Posted by: Scobface at July 31, 2012 05:14 AM (IoNBC)

77 Interesting and informative.  Now if we could subvert Siri to spout Friedman.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:15 AM (+SmuD)

78 If you can actually get a libtard, who anti-Lackoff-style is not afraid to confront his ideas(I know, I know), and get them to either read- "Free To Choose" or watch the TV series. They will convert to a conservative or libertarian mindset. Maybe slowly but Friedman's arguments and logic and math is irrefutable. I've never seen it fail. But that's the problem with the internet in terms of critical thinking- libtards can cocoon so throughly that they never encounter reality.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 31, 2012 05:16 AM (54vf8)

79 All the information you could ever use is right at your fingertips and you have to make the effort not to learn it or use it.   Much of the ignorance is willful

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:17 AM (apjdA)

80 wtf comments read as spam

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 31, 2012 05:17 AM (ZAYlH)

81 Any time i hear someone talk about "needs", I ask them which part of the triangle they are referring to.

Liberals (unless they are psychology majors) are not aware of Maslov's hierarchy of needs).  Instead of starting at the bottom of the triangle and working up, liberals start at the top and work down.


The problem?  You starve to death first unless you can steal from someone else.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 05:17 AM (YdQQY)

82 You now have to make a concerted effort to not know what is going on.

They don't see that as a problem, they see it as the goal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at July 31, 2012 05:18 AM (8y9MW)

83 One of my biggest regrets is not doing a summer in Chicago while I was in Grad school.

Notice the word Friedman repeats over and over?    Freedom.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 31, 2012 05:19 AM (3ZjAP)

84 wtf comments read as spam

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 31, 2012 10:17 AM (ZAYlH)


Certain key words are banned and the spam filter is designed to eliminate them. Try substituting words in the post. In particular there are some proper names that are banned.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 05:19 AM (YdQQY)

85

For the left, multi-national corporations become outsourcing.

 

Global cooling becomes  Acid rain becomes Ozone becomes Global Warming becomes Climate Change

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 05:20 AM (gmeXX)

86 Donahue inspired and blazed many a trail for the Media Manginas of today.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 31, 2012 05:21 AM (ZAYlH)

87 Notice the word Friedman repeats over and over? Freedom.   Counter-revolutionary clap-trap.  People like him will be put in mental institutions in the future.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:22 AM (apjdA)

88 Pure genius.

Where have such smart men of integrity, honest intellectual discourse and unbiased outcomes gone?

Posted by: Exile at July 31, 2012 05:24 AM (GGCsk)

89 OT from Drudge:  "Are migraines more common than thought?"

Well, that would explain how Obama was elected.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 31, 2012 05:24 AM (Hx5uv)

90 Freedom costs $1.05.

Posted by: garrett at July 31, 2012 05:24 AM (85mgW)

91 26  My how times have changed.

Posted by: no good deed at July 31, 2012 05:26 AM (mjR67)

92 Heh, China is going to try for a moon landing...   They may be commies, but at least they got vision and a plan.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:27 AM (apjdA)

93

Where have such smart men of integrity, honest intellectual discourse and unbiased outcomes gone?

 

The camps. 

Posted by: Soon at July 31, 2012 05:27 AM (85mgW)

94 Do I still have a hole in me?

Posted by: The Ozone Layer at July 31, 2012 05:27 AM (jucos)

95 @92.  I think I know what Tom Friedman's next column will be about.

Posted by: SH at July 31, 2012 05:27 AM (gmeXX)

96 Government run shit works.

Jugdish says as he sits in the metro with no power.

Anyone beside me note that Indian produces over half it's electricity from coal and they said 100,000 megawatts are not available because they don't have coal for the plants?

I guess that no nuke shit isn't working out to much for them.  Wonder how our closing all these coal plants here will help with the next heat wave when Barry's mob will be gone.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at July 31, 2012 05:28 AM (3ZjAP)

97 Am I still killing old growth forests?

Posted by: Acid Rain at July 31, 2012 05:28 AM (jucos)

98 Heh, China is going to try for a moon landing... Glad we could finance it for them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Team Dagny at July 31, 2012 05:29 AM (9TTOe)

99 Where have such smart men of integrity, honest intellectual discourse and unbiased outcomes gone?   Hunkered down in hiding in fear of IRS and other political retribution.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:29 AM (apjdA)

100 Here I come bitches!

Posted by: The Ice Age at July 31, 2012 05:29 AM (jucos)

101 100 Here I come bitches! Posted by: The Ice Age at July 31, 2012 10:29 AM (jucos) Not so fast.

Posted by: Solar Flares at July 31, 2012 05:30 AM (9TTOe)

102

"Can anyone imagine a network talk show having a world famous economist as a guest today?"

 

It would need to be a reality show.  Someone see if Peter Schiff would be interested in being next year's "The Bachelor" contestant!

Posted by: reason at July 31, 2012 05:31 AM (sPO/s)

103 You people go ahead and make your plans. I will just continue to hurtle through space and chuckle.

Posted by: SMOD at July 31, 2012 05:32 AM (jucos)

104 Wow, Barry going full Lizzie Warren on the sidebar?  Related to the US's first slave?  On the plus side we might finally pry some records out of him to prove it.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr is rolling in his grave though.  Judged by the content of their character is not a Democrat hallmark.  Instead the party and its followers judge each other over who they were born to.  Who has the most exotic lineage, real or contrived.  Only thing missing is the long lost Princess Anastasia... oh wait that is Obama.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:32 AM (+SmuD)

105 "Can anyone imagine a network talk show having a world famous economist as a guest today?" ------------------------------------------------------- I think Meet The Press had Krugman on just last Sunday.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 31, 2012 05:32 AM (jucos)

106 I should see if the Chinese need any old school life critical flight avionics guys...   If I have to live under a dictatorship, I want the real thing where I'll be pampered as a valuable state asset, not treated like a bottomless ATF.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:33 AM (apjdA)

107

@100 - Think you can put off your "reunion tour" a couple more decades?

 

Perhaps my friend "Benjamin Franklin" might change your mind...?

 

Perhaps a suitcase full of them might change your mind....?

Posted by: Michael Mann at July 31, 2012 05:34 AM (sPO/s)

108 Umm...ATM, not ATF

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:34 AM (apjdA)

109 You mean ATM and not ATF right? 

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:34 AM (+SmuD)

110

The entire interview is worth watching if you have ~45 minutes to spare.

 

One should make time to see this.  Talk about a happy warrior.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 31, 2012 05:34 AM (VLifP)

111

>>You mean ATM

 

*Sigh*

I miss Reggie.

Posted by: Barack HUssein Obama at July 31, 2012 05:35 AM (85mgW)

112 Well, we have established that Purple Avenger does not wish to be taken as Automatic Transmission Fluid by the state.......

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 05:35 AM (OlN4e)

113 In another few decades, the impending ice age will be undeniable.  It takes about 50 years for the weather to flip and we're already 20 into the period of volatility.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:36 AM (apjdA)

114 They may be commies, but at least they got vision and a plan.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 10:27 AM (apjdA) [/o]

 

Vision maybe.   But   a plan?      

 

They had     a vision    of dozens of sparkling, modern cities filled to the brim with busy, productive workers.    They built the cities... but there's no one to fill them.

 

They had a vision of high speed rail connecting Beijing with surrounding cities.   They built the high speed rail... sorta.   The corruption and graft was mindblowing, and the train is less reliable than a bus.    Whole sections remain unfinished.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't    put much stock in    their    moon landing   "plan" until they actually make it happen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 05:36 AM (4df7R)

115

How hard it is for someone to make a page on IMDB?  I would love for one of the  Moron Horde to make an actor's page for SMOD.

 

The resume could include a cameo in "Deep  Impact."  Possibly even an uncredited extra in "Space Camp."

Posted by: reason at July 31, 2012 05:36 AM (sPO/s)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 05:36 AM (4df7R)

117 Formatting FAIL.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 05:36 AM (4df7R)

118 Impending ice age? I've got my gin all ready.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at July 31, 2012 05:37 AM (n0wVY)

119 Tom Sowell is a former Marxist?  Wow.

Posted by: Cicero at July 31, 2012 05:37 AM (zMouK)

120

"a valuable state asset, not treated like a bottomless ATF."

 

Wyy not   bowf?

Posted by: Barney Fwank at July 31, 2012 05:37 AM (sPO/s)

121 Maddog, well he IS the Purple Avenger.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:38 AM (+SmuD)

122 I think being converted into lubricant might be most unpleasant...

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:38 AM (apjdA)

123 I too believe we are descending into the next Ice Age. I'm cool. God loves a frozen Yankee, and so do I......

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 05:38 AM (OlN4e)

124 Donahue should have stopped talking 30 seconds into this interview.

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Or thirty years before it started.

I remember that Donohue one time had Hitler henchman and war criminal Albert Speer on and he was treated more courteously than Friedman.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 31, 2012 05:39 AM (Hx5uv)

125 Tom Sowell is a former Marxist? Wow.

----

Kind of gives you hope for the future.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 31, 2012 05:39 AM (Hx5uv)

126

"I think being converted into lubricant might be most unpleasant..."

 

Bring your Kindle.  It sorta takes a while...

Posted by: a pterodactyl at July 31, 2012 05:40 AM (sPO/s)

127 Since Obama's ancestors were still in Kenya while his relative was being a slave here. He is likely also to be related to the person that sold his relative into slavery.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 31, 2012 05:41 AM (tf9Ne)

128 The Pencil: http://goo.gl/y1ebD

I've seen it a thousand times and I still love it.



Long way from a thousand viewings, but I got in another one.

Thanks :--)

Posted by: fluffy at July 31, 2012 05:41 AM (z9HTb)

129 Just to be on the safe side, I propose that all hot Yankee women be given instant amnesty and sent south ASAP. Show her you care!

Posted by: maddogg at July 31, 2012 05:42 AM (OlN4e)

130 The corruption and graft was mindblowing, and the train is less reliable than a bus. Whole sections remain unfinished.   I don't worry about that.  The US westward expansion and explosive railroad growth and associated land deals were similarly corrupt and graft ridden.  Greed is universal, even the commies can't wipe it out.  The key thing is moving the ball forward relentlessly even if it happens inefficiently.   This is where the Chinese excel.  The movement of the ball may be incremental and wasteful, yet it moves forward.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 05:43 AM (apjdA)

131 "I think being converted into lubricant might be most unpleasant..."
Bring your Kindle. It sorta takes a while...

The great and mighty Sarlaac is quicker.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:43 AM (+SmuD)

132 Noo!

Posted by: the knight who says "Ni!" wrong at July 31, 2012 05:43 AM (sPO/s)

133 Since Obama's ancestors were still in Kenya while his relative was being a slave here. He is likely also to be related to the person that sold his relative into slavery.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at July 31, 2012 10:41 AM (tf9Ne)


Obama - The Man Who Sold Himself

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:45 AM (+SmuD)

134 maddogg they can go to the Midwest too

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at July 31, 2012 05:45 AM (8R1Yt)

135 The movement of the ball may be incremental and wasteful, yet it moves forward.


That could go in a fortune cookie.

Posted by: fluffy at July 31, 2012 05:46 AM (z9HTb)

136

"He is likely also to be related to the person that sold his relative into slavery."

 

OH MAN.  If the delve into Obama's ancestry wound up  with that little find,  Jell-o would experience a pudding-cup shortage of cataclysmic proportions!

 

PUDDAGEDDON!

Posted by: reason at July 31, 2012 05:46 AM (sPO/s)

137

Wow, Barry going full Lizzie Warren on the sidebar? Related to the US's first slave? On the plus side we might finally pry some records out of him to prove it.

 

It's such a clear desperation move to make American blacks feel like Barky's actually got some kind of connection to them.    I find it funny, considering a lot of American blacks today probably don't have any slave blood in them anyway.

 

I love that it's America's FIRST slave that is supposedly related to Barky.  Not the second, or the 294th; the FIRST.   Give me a fucking BREAK.   Even if it's true, a few thousand people in this country are probably related to the first slave.   Hell, I could be related to the first slave, and I'm whiter than something very, very white.   Anyone heard of Six Degrees of Separation?   It's called a family tree because of all the branches; get it? 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 05:46 AM (4df7R)

138 China has always been wasteful of human lives when it comes to great projects.  From the various phases of wall building to Emperor Chin's tomb, the cost has been staggering.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:47 AM (+SmuD)

139 Dr. Mabuse at 61--

Solzhenitsyn like Drew Barrymore, because of her heavy eyebrows.

Actually, he liked Brooke Shields.  I think Drew Barrymore was still a little kid at the time.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 31, 2012 05:47 AM (DuH+r)

140 The US westward expansion and explosive railroad growth and associated land dealswere similarly corrupt and graft ridden.


PA, the corrupt railroads built with federal money folded like a cheap suit as soon as the federal money dried up.  They were the solyndra of the day. 


Meanwhile the Great Northern Railroad built with private money prospered.  Imagine that.


The thing that most helped the Westward expansion was cheap, and sometimes even free, land from the government.  The cities were full of poor people from Europe that were just dying to get their own land, and they did both.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 05:48 AM (YdQQY)

141 MWR, I know.  And this chump is the President.  SMOD futures looking real good.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 31, 2012 05:50 AM (+SmuD)

142 The first slaves in America were dropped off at a Spanish colony in what is now SC.  The slaves escaped into the interior and joined with the indians. The Spanish colony failed.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 05:51 AM (YdQQY)

143 Ace has snuck in a post now.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 05:53 AM (YdQQY)

144 If Hollywood acted like Marxists instead of just talking like Marxists,  a top star would make about $15,000 to act in a major film,  theater tickets would cost about $2 and Blue Ray DVDs would run about $4 each.  Then they'd all go broke.

Posted by: Dang at July 31, 2012 05:53 AM (Ky1+e)

145 This is where the Chinese excel. The movement of the ball may be incremental and wasteful, yet it moves forward.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 10:43 AM (apjdA)

 

That's just it.  No it doesn't.   The    US    transcontinental railroad was expensive and riddled with corruption, but in the end it worked.      It fulfilled a need the country had, and in so doing      it changed the way the country operated.  

 

 

In China?  Not so much.     Their plans for modernization   --    be it through railroads or cities or what have you -- fall apart because they're trying to force the plans on the country instead of letting the country's   needs inform those decisions.   What good is a city when no one wants to live there?    What good is a badly built, unreliable train when a bus, car, or fricking MULE is more reliable?

 

It's exactly the same as the idiot high speed rail project out in California.   It's expensive, unnecessary, and doomed to debt-ridden hell.   Yet they go forward with it because they want to make people behave a certain way.   "Cars are bad.  Mass transportation is good!"     It doesn't matter that no one sees the need for this train;   it doesn't matter that the people of California have said that, given the choice again, they'd vote AGAINST the train.    All that matters is,   "Cars bad.   Trains    good."     

 

Social engineering through actual engineering is going to fail every single time.   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at July 31, 2012 05:56 AM (4df7R)

146 Where have such smart men of integrity, honest intellectual discourse and unbiased outcomes gone?

Posted by: Exile at July 31, 2012 10:24 AM (GGCsk)

 

 

Right here!

Posted by: Galt's Gulch at July 31, 2012 05:56 AM (UH0ly)

147 139 - Ooooh, you're right!  How shameful, me falling down on SCTV trivia, and I have the book right on the shelf behind me!  Ah well, it was a very good episode.  I can never hear the Russian national anthem anymore (and as I've got the Olympics on, it does come up) without hearing Stan singing, "Alex--ander Sol--zhenitsyn...We're glad to have you...Onnn ouuuur showwwww....!"

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at July 31, 2012 05:58 AM (KOHFD)

148 the corrupt railroads built with federal money folded like a cheap suit as soon as the federal money dried up. They were the solyndra of the day.   The difference is -- real tracks got put down, and necessary bridges over waterways/gorges got built.  30% of those first rail bridges collapsed though...and it was quite the scandal at the time.   Solyndra's failure left us with nothing but an empty building and used office furniture.   We have to assume a certain level of corruption/waste in any govt project, but lately we're not even getting the reach around of getting some sort of physical result as a byproduct.  People rail against the robber barrons, but they did actually produce a physical result.  It was expensive, shoddy, etc, but you could walk out and touch it and use it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 06:00 AM (apjdA)

149 What good is a badly built, unreliable train when a bus, car, or fricking MULE is more reliable?   Its always been my feeling that progress is not built on the shoulders of success, rather the scrapheap of past failures.  The Chinese will learn from this excessive exuberance.   Failure is what schools you where the minefield is.  Repeated success can fool you into believing you're not walking through a minefield (ex the US today). 

Posted by: @PurpAv at July 31, 2012 06:05 AM (apjdA)

150 Not sure if it was mentioned, but his student Thomas Sowell was a radical marxist at the time, and even after having worked directly with Friedman was still a radical marxist years later.... Until he got his first job in government, something with the  minimum wage department.  That experience was when Sowell became convinced that government was fundamentally incapable, because of its own basic self interest,  in doing any of the good things he wanted it to do for society.

Posted by: Shiggz RoketSturgeon at July 31, 2012 06:16 AM (RfvTE)

151 It was expensive, shoddy, etc, but you could walk out and touch it and use it.

Posted by: PA at July 31, 2012 11:00 AM (apjdA)


I have some pictures going through the Truckee pass on I-80 where you can still see remnants of the original railroad.

Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2012 06:20 AM (YdQQY)

152 " It's striking how much the questions from Donahue and his audience sound like the Obama/Fauxcahontas/Occupy Wall Street Democrat rhetoric today."

I think about this alot, having come of age during this time period, and in college.  It was a pivotal time then, as it is now.  Guess what?  Things got better after we elected Reagan.  It was not immediate, it took a few years.  And yes, I was a lefty back then.  We should be prepared to fight this battle for a lifetime, and pass it on to our children if we are interested in keeping the Republic..

Posted by: small town girl at July 31, 2012 06:29 AM (KWSy8)

153 Love Friedman.

Anybody want to hear him arguing that heroin should be legal?  Guaranteed to blow some minds around here.

Posted by: FUBAR at July 31, 2012 06:30 AM (mdhVr)

154 The thing I like about Friedman's spanking of the whining liberal Donohue, is that he has an encyclopedia of facts at his disposal.

For every one of his assertions that Freedom really is better and that government is the problem, Friedman pulls out an impressive array of both factual data and anecdotes so that people really get it.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at July 31, 2012 06:31 AM (+XVQe)

155 Amazing man. He gives you the truth with a smile.

Free to Choose helped convert me, too.  Oh, and reality.

Posted by: PJ at July 31, 2012 07:10 AM (DQHjw)

156 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at July 31, 2012 03:18 PM (6o4Fb)

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