April 29, 2016

Mike Pence's Terrible Nondorsement Of Ted Cruz
— Ace

I think Allah's right here -- including about the Establishment types who will pretend-endorse Cruz to satisfy their conservative voters, but doing so so weakly they usher Trump into the nomination.

Meanwhile, Byron York says GOP bigwigs -- i.e., the establishment Trump is allegedly fighting, and Cruz is allegedly part of -- are making peace with the idea of the disaster candidate Trump.

I've heard a lot of RINOs openly talking about Trump being preferable, because his catastrophic loss will teach these Tea Partiers and uppity conservatives that they had better listen to the Cool Reason of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell in the future.

So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come.

Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone.

It will end in tears. And Hillary. But mostly Hillary. And also, tears.

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1 F him

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2016 09:27 AM (PFZvJ)

2 The RNCe doesn't want either Trump or Crus.  They want somebody like RINO Rubio or Jebbie the Hutt.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at April 29, 2016 09:28 AM (vvmPQ)

3
The GOP estabs are fine with a hillary presidency.

They get to continue their theft and graft for another 4 years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2016 09:28 AM (ODxAs)

4 Dana Loesch was wondering if his sitting on the fence was going to hurt him.

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2016 09:29 AM (PFZvJ)

5 I've heard a lot of RINOs openly talking about Trump being preferable ---- I thought we were through this already. They're not the RINOs any more. We are; the stupid schmucks that actually believe in principles of limited government, rule of law, and maximization of liberty.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 29, 2016 09:29 AM (KUaJL)

6 Anybody got a link to Rasmussen?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 09:30 AM (xuouz)

7 Funny - they think this will be disastrous and will teach us true conservatives a lesson?  I think the lesson will be taught on election day if we can vote out these establishment types.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:30 AM (jxbfJ)

8 You're going to LOVE our pick for you!!!

Posted by: GOPe at April 29, 2016 09:31 AM (INxoa)

9 O/T so I apologize.  But where is Obama's new gun policy statement he promised us today?  Did he lie to us (again)?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:31 AM (jxbfJ)

10 "So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come." ------------- ...and neither one will learn a damn thing, irrespective of the outcome. Well... If Trump wins, *maybe* the GOPe will realize that they can't just always tell the base to piss up a rope while they cut deals with their Esteemed Colleagues Across the Aisle. But I doubt it. If Trump wins, he's going to govern as a liberal Republican, because that's (at best) what he is. And since the GOPe is a bunch of liberal squishes, they're not going to learn a lesson from Trump. They're going to discover a Strange New Respect for him, as he turns out to be every bit the liberal corporatist that they are. But no matter how badly Trump gets beaten, his fans will double-down.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:32 AM (26zxJ)

11 So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come. Herewith I plagiarize myself. This came up in a mail group today. 1) Trump gets 1237 and the party denies him: People riot, the establishment candidate goes down in flames, the GOP is toast for a generation. 2) Tump gets a plurality shy of 1237 and the party denies him: Trump throws a hissy fit, rips the party apart, the nominee becomes roadside carrion, the GOP is fucked for a generation. 3) Trump gets the nomination: the party pisses on his and each other's legs struggling with the price of blocking Hillary. Hillary wins and the GOP gives itself New Mexico cavity searches for a generation. 4) Trump is the nominee and beats Hillary: President Trump governs as a Trumpianist, bearing no relation to party or conservative ideas, and the party is meaningless for a generation. Am I missing any rosy outcomes?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 09:32 AM (1xUj/)

12 I wonder which bathroom the cat chooses?  (Love sidebar kitteh.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 09:33 AM (FsuaD)

13 I've heard a lot of RINOs openly talking about Trump being preferable, because his catastrophic loss will teach these Tea Partiers and uppity conservatives that they had better listen to the Cool Reason of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell in the future. Sorry, not buying that without some supporting evidence. Boehner, Ryan, McConnel et al are not the type to step aside and let the Tea Party types take over the government. They might start trying to make deals with Trump, but they won't just throw their hands in the air and walk away. I would, but they won't.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 09:34 AM (pi5El)

14 From the previous Pence endorsement thread: 43 "Why did he wait so long..especially on a Friday!" Theory: Pence is in a fight for re-election. He cannot afford to upset any voters from either Cruz or Trump. He also cannot afford to upset any out-of-state power brokers or in-state power brokers. To square the circle he announces for Cruz on Friday. He makes the power brokers wherever they are happy and he hopes that the Friday announcement will fly under the radar screen of the people voting and not alienate any of them. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:23 AM (hLRSq)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 09:34 AM (hLRSq)

15 My bad.  Here is the WH statement on his gun initiative

https://goo.gl/FnLa0N


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:34 AM (jxbfJ)

16 Over/Under on the number of posts that says watching each side of the GOP kill itself is a feature and not a bug is set at 47.5.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2016 09:34 AM (/HC6x)

17 Pretty sure I'm beyond persuasion at this point. Fuck the GOP, fuck Trump, fuck the left (BIRM). Not having any of it, snd when Texas secedes I'm going. The rest of you can go straight to hell.

Posted by: Kerry Lawson at April 29, 2016 09:35 AM (PjWy4)

18
Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch

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You're missing the most obvious outcome - that the GOP   ceases to exist altogether.  I don't see how it maintains viability as a party in practically all cases.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 09:35 AM (Qvgg/)

19 "Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone."

There once were two cats of Kilkenny,
Who both said "There's one cat too many."
So they scratched and they spit,
And they clawed and they bit,
And now, 'stead of two, there aren't any.

This isn't Thunderdome's "Two men enter, one man leaves" premise.  This isn't Highlander's "There can only be one."  This is mutually-assured destruction.

Want. To. Play. A. Game?

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 09:35 AM (iIzG7)

20 Dana Loesch was wondering if his sitting on the fence was going to hurt him. Posted by: Skip Hey Mister Undecided, sitting on a barbed wire fence.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 29, 2016 09:35 AM (k4M/B)

21 Beat ya by 3 minutes on the last thread! Yippee!

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 09:36 AM (hTqVx)

22 It "might" end in hillary. But at this point what are our options EXCEPT to get behind the presumptive Nominee for better or worse. Quite frankly any thing else is surrender or worse contributory willful political negligence. But then there is a lot of that going around now a days.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:36 AM (Ozsfq)

23 11
Am I missing any rosy outcomes?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/)

So you saying we should stock up on canned goods and ammo?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:36 AM (jxbfJ)

24 Pissdorsement. Political Porn.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 09:36 AM (tfM+W)

25 "So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come." Only one hand can wear the Ring of Power.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 09:36 AM (hLRSq)

26 So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come. I don't want to teach the Vichy Republicans a lesson. They are unteachable. I want them to just STFU, already, and to have all power taken from them. I'll give them pencils to play with and occupy themselves.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 09:37 AM (zc3Db)

27 But on topic it was sure one piss poor endorsement LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:37 AM (Ozsfq)

28 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? ---------------- I can come up with a couple, but they would just be wishcasting. I don't actually expect them to come true. I'd like the GOPe to learn that they need to throw more bones to the conservative base. They don't have to be perfect, but they can't ignore the base on the key issues that the base really cares about. "Comprehensive Immigration Reform," I'm looking in your direction. I'd like Trump's people to learn that "burn it down" doesn't work out so well when it entrenches a Democratic dominance in Washington. I'd like them to learn to balance passion with conservatism and electability. Neither side will learn, though.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:37 AM (26zxJ)

29 3 The GOP estabs are fine with a hillary presidency. They get to continue their theft and graft for another 4 years. Yep - and they get to make sure The Right Sort Of People get theirs during the reign of The Witch while the rest of us can run out and get our shineboxes because SHUT UP, that's why.

Posted by: DocJ at April 29, 2016 09:37 AM (zrsn3)

30 Funny, the Gender Ambiguous Cat has its arms spread like #TriggyPuff - but is seriously lacking in the bingo-wing department.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (jxbfJ)

31 Hello, (sidebar) kitty!

Posted by: @votermom at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (nbrY/)

32 Bury the Republican party with the RINOs and Trumpeteers. We need to create a new party from the ashes of the old.

Posted by: NJRob at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (r5ItV)

33 Boehner, Ryan, McConnel et al are not the type to just give up and walk away. They didn't get where they are by giving up when obstacles were placed in their path. I did and that's why I'm where I am now. (he meant to add. but didn't because he didn't think of it soon enough. )

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (pi5El)

34 So no more "Silver Fox" talk?

**kicks dirt**

**trudges away**

Posted by: Mike Pence at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (H9MG5)

35 I've heard a lot of RINOs when Trump speaks cos he is one, if not a Democrat. The RINOs I've heard are okay with him--big government, cronyism, single payer, gay rights, planned parenthood and he'll come around on that Wall stuff.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (m6qV1)

36 Maybe being jettisoned back to the minority will teach McConnell & Co. what a wonderful smart move accepting the Orange Pile of Shit is. Too bad the Supreme Court is gone. Might as well confirm Garland.

Posted by: Realist at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (ls2n/)

37 Normal candidates cannot compete with those rare charismatic leaders when they come along. That is why Cruz and Kasich could not compete with Trump, nor could the fourteen or fifteen others once on the stage with him.  It is also why I predict he will defeat Hillary Clinton, who has the charisma of a dead turtle.

http://tinyurl.com/zj5b2dp (PJ Media)

Roger Simon writing about his attendance at a Trump rally.

The writing is on the wall. Of course Pence is hedging his bets. He knows that Cruz will not be the nominee, no matter what he does.

It's time for the party to unite behind its nominee: Donald Trump.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (R+30W)

38 I wonder which bathroom the cat chooses? (Love sidebar kitteh.) Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 02:33 PM (FsuaD) The center of the comforter on the guest bed fifteen minutes before your parents arrive for an extended visit.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (hLRSq)

39 Fuck. Now there are four people in Indiana (the total number who would actually vote based on Mike Pence's endorsement) left hanging in the air. Yes, he endorsed Cruz, but they know his heart wasn't in it. These poor fuckers won't be able to sleep all weekend.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (Zs4uk)

40 But no matter how badly Trump gets beaten, his fans will double-down. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (26zxJ) Yeah ... the same way his primary candidacy was a joke and he would never win. I can't even count how many times I was informed of that fact by people like yourself.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 09:38 AM (zc3Db)

41 Not quite as warm as Boehner's endorsement.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 09:39 AM (tfM+W)

42 A lot of surrenderists here it appears

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:39 AM (Ozsfq)

43 I, for one, am looking forward to One Party Rule and the Reign of the PantSuit.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2016 09:39 AM (/HC6x)

44 Can Cruz win? Ryan? Kasich? Trump? Who can win?

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 09:39 AM (hTqVx)

45 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/) I like your glass half-full outlook on life.

Posted by: @votermom at April 29, 2016 09:39 AM (nbrY/)

46 "Not having any of it, snd when Texas secedes I'm going. The rest of you can go straight to hell."

Shades of Davy Crockett!  Preach, brother!

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (iIzG7)

47 There is one faction that will come out stronger from this when Trump gains the nomination: the GOPe. If Trump wins, they'll be able to easily co-opt him into making beautiful deals that a lifelong New York Democrat would find appealing. If Trump loses, the GOPe will refuse to bend in 2020, having ceded the party to the crazy "right wing" nominee. But yeah...he fights.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (rJSDb)

48 Might as well be Hillary! The sooner we get on with the final destruction of the Republic, the sooner we can get to rebuilding something.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (2v4+a)

49 But no matter how badly Trump gets beaten, his fans will double-down. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (26zxJ) "His Fans" He is got 50% of the vote in the last 5 primaries?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (Ozsfq)

50 Polls from a year ago predicted Trump would have a commanding lead in GOP delegates by this time.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (mR7Es)

51 So this week two major strategic partnerships with Cruz have been announced and then have blown up in his face. Candygram for Mongo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (Nwg0u)

52 The Irony of Trump is that next year when Hillary comes in with Dem majorities in both houses of Congress, Amnesty will be coming on day 1. They'll probably call it the Donald J. Trump Immigration Reform (Haha) Act.

Posted by: It's a Beautiful Wall at April 29, 2016 09:40 AM (ls2n/)

53 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? I think the country will get a lot of rosebudding in the future. (Don't urban dictionary / google it)

Posted by: wooga at April 29, 2016 09:41 AM (VgC/t)

54 Shit all the trolls came out for this one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:41 AM (Ozsfq)

55 "...his catastrophic loss will teach these Tea Partiers and uppity conservatives that they had better listen to the Cool Reason of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell in the future." I'm backing off of my 50 state sweep prediction for Trump. I've got an uneasy feeling about Hawaii and Rhode Island.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2016 09:41 AM (Zs4uk)

56 It's time for the party to unite behind its nominee: Donald Trump.
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Good golly I am so tired of hearing this.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 09:41 AM (dFi94)

57 42 A lot of surrenderists here it appears

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:39 PM (Ozsfq)

Surrenderist or realist?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 09:41 AM (jxbfJ)

58 I will tell you one thing, no matter if Cruz or Trump wins, the minute that happens the MSM will be all over the $hitty economy and the disaster in the Middle East. 

Bank on it, unless it is hillary.  Then they will continue to ignore everything. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 29, 2016 09:42 AM (iONHu)

59 Good golly I am so tired of hearing this. Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 02:41 PM (dFi94) You have a viable alternative?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:42 AM (Ozsfq)

60 Surrenderist or realist? Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2016 02:41 PM (jxbfJ) Surrender.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:42 AM (Ozsfq)

61 O/T.... Supremes just submitted a rule which will go into affect, where any Judge in the US can now order a Warrant to search a Data Device outside his Jurisdiction... In other words, a local judge in California will be able to order the FBI or other Law enforcement to Hack into a server even OUTSIDE the US... and then use it as evidence in a court of law... as it will be a LEGAL Warrant. We cannot expect others to respect our own sovereignty if we do not respect theirs.

Posted by: Don Q. at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (qf6WZ)

62 Rosy Scenarios? How about Trump gets elected. He does ok, not great, but ok. The US survives, and eight years from now we get another democrat. It could happen.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (pi5El)

63 We've been saying for months that the GOPe put forward shitty candidates that hated us. And their stupidity and cravenness left an opening fro Trump. And that they've helped katshitt while throwing faint support and praise for Cruz. And that people have raged and threatened just voting for Hillary (sorry Ace). Sadly, this is a logical turn of events.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (326rv)

64 What's with all this Hillary shit ? Boys and girls, I ain't played my last card yet.

Posted by: Joe B from DC at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (8v0G6)

65 "A lot of surrenderists here it appears"

Never give up!  Never surrender!

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (iIzG7)

66 "Yeah ... the same way his primary candidacy was a joke and he would never win. I can't even count how many times I was informed of that fact by people like yourself." Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair ----------- (1) I never predicted that Trump would fade. I'm not in the prediction biz, but also because of the simple fact that they guy who leads early usually hangs on. (2) You seem to think I'm predicting that Trump will lose in the general. I'm not predicting the outcome in November. Trump *can* win. I gave you two scenarios: Trump wins and Trump loses. I stated what I believe will happen in each scenario. But since voting for Trump tends to cloud the cognitive faculties, you thought that my statement that Trump *may* lose was a guarantee that he will. Smarten up, please.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (A6sW3)

67 There will be growth in the Spring.

Posted by: Barack O'Gardiner at April 29, 2016 09:43 AM (k4M/B)

68 Shit all the trolls came out for this one Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:41 PM (Ozsfq) Heh, we ARE the trolls.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (xuouz)

69 Did you ever have to make up your mind? You pick up on one and leave the other one behind It's not often easy and not often kind Did you ever have to make up your mind? Did you ever have to finally decide? And say yes to one and let the other one ride There's so many changes and tears you must hide Did you ever have to finally decide? P.S. If you recognize this it means you're an old fart.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (Nwg0u)

70 32 Bury the Republican party with the RINOs and Trumpeteers. We need to create a new party from the ashes of the old. Posted by: NJRob at April 29, 2016 02:38 PM (r5ItV) ------------------- The problem is that aren't enough of us. Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (T/5A0)

71 Supremes just submitted a rule which will go into affect, where any Judge in the US can now order a Warrant to search a Data Device outside his Jurisdiction... In other words, a local judge in California will be able to order the FBI or other Law enforcement to Hack into a server even OUTSIDE the US... and then use it as evidence in a court of law... as it will be a LEGAL Warrant. We cannot expect others to respect our own sovereignty if we do not respect theirs. Posted by: Don Q. at April 29, 2016 02:43 PM (qf6WZ) Link?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (Ozsfq)

72 @37 So this is in the article: Reason: In different parts of the crowd, women had stood up with hand-written posters reading "Women for Trump," "Latinas for Trump," and, to the loudest cheers, "Black Christian Women for Trump." (This is probably because -- excuse my horrifying sexism -- she was very good looking. But no pics of said lady

Posted by: @votermom at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (nbrY/)

73 You have a viable alternative?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:42 PM (Ozsfq)

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Nope.  I'm resigned to disaster either way.  I just am tired of these "rally the party behind the obvious candidate" rah rah.



I ain't in the Party, and I ain't got a rah rah to give.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (dFi94)

74 There is one faction that will come out stronger from this when Trump gains the nomination: the GOPe. Which is why Kasich has conceded and given Trump his delegates.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (uURQL)

75 Surrender. Posted by: Nevergiveup Do you accept that some Hordelings of good faith believe that Trump would be an awful, terrible, not good president? I'm not asking you to accept that view, but do you believe that the people who hold it hold it legitimately?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (1xUj/)

76 Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us. Sadly You are right...

Posted by: donna at April 29, 2016 09:44 AM (O2RFr)

77

Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone.

I think this is part right. I am not sure that the Tea Party-Constitutional types are looking to 'rule' so much as return to the Founders view of decentralized government. Which is antithetical to any member of the permanent political class seeking to insure their sinecure - grifters, rent-seekers and con-artists all.

I have hated the word 'rule' since Mooch told us that "Barack would be ready to rule from day one".


Posted by: Grrrrl Rangers ! [/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (8ZHTC)

78 An election where The Burning Times are the inevitable outcome? I guess I'm voting Ammunition/Precious Metals this year.

Posted by: V the K at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (O7MnT)

79 Nope. I'm resigned to disaster either way. I just am tired of these "rally the party behind the obvious candidate" rah rah. I ain't in the Party, and I ain't got a rah rah to give. Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (dFi94) Well the alternative to trying is hillary....good luck with that one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (Ozsfq)

80 4) Trump is the nominee and beats Hillary: President Trump governs as a Trumpianist, bearing no relation to party or conservative ideas, and the party is meaningless for a generation. Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/) The party has been meaningless for a long time already I think. It took a SCOTUS ruling to get the last GOP president into office. Also this stupid relabeling of ideas as "compassionate conservative" or "reformicon" means no mean spouting that nonsense believes in traditional ideas. Also the wars upon wars...big mistake. Couldn't win any of them but they ground on and on and on. Everything is just meaningless bullshit with these chumps.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (4ErVI)

81 Stupid sock

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (8ZHTC)

82 Shit all the trolls came out for this one Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:41 PM (Ozsfq) Heh, we ARE the trolls. Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (xuouz) We are the evil scary homophobic sexist racists that Leftists shriek and wet their beds about. And We Don't Care.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (uURQL)

83 Mark Levin called this a "powerful endorsement", I believe unironically on twitter. Your mileage may vary, I suppose.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (n/ogz)

84 I'm going to do great with the minorities. Yesterday I got the coveted Mike Tyson endorsement. It's a great honor from a just a phenomenal outstanding athlete.

Posted by: Teh Donald at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (ls2n/)

85 P.S. If you recognize this it means you're an old fart.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (Nwg0u)

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Old fart raises hand.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 09:45 AM (dFi94)

86 I will tell you one thing, no matter if Cruz or Trump wins, the minute that happens the MSM will be all over the $hitty economy and the disaster in the Middle East. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 29, 2016 02:42 PM (iONHu) Doesn't really matter because if Cruz or Trump won then the Fed would start unwinding its balance sheet the day of the inauguration ... and that is some serious pain coming that almost none of the public is taking into account. With that, interest rates shoot up, the cost of our federal debt service rockets past $1 trillion.year and it's off to the races. The Fed is just hoping that it can hold out for 8 more months.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 09:46 AM (zc3Db)

87 "Not having any of it, snd when Texas secedes I'm going. The rest of you can go straight to hell." "We'll leave a light on for you" -Tom Bodette

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 09:46 AM (vz4z/)

88 Link? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (Ozsfq) Front page, MSN...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 29, 2016 09:46 AM (qf6WZ)

89 I read an article today (maybe in WaPo) that the Establishment is resigned to Trump being the nominee and just want the primary over.

Posted by: @votermom at April 29, 2016 09:46 AM (nbrY/)

90 Do you accept that some Hordelings of good faith believe that Trump would be an awful, terrible, not good president? I'm not asking you to accept that view, but do you believe that the people who hold it hold it legitimately? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (1xUj/) I accept that view and always have. Never said anything different. But I also accept and firmly believe that hillary is far worse. And that is where I am coming from

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:46 AM (Ozsfq)

91 P.S. If you recognize this it means you're an old fart. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks I'll take a spoonful of whatever you're having.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (k4M/B)

92 Why did Hillary return the checks Trump wrote to her presidential campaign? Do election laws prohibit candidates from contributing to their favorite candidate?

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (tfM+W)

93 noooooooooooo I can't see the cat noooooooooooooooo. *braces self for inevitable invisible pussy comments* Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone. Nope. I've said for years that the horrible RINOs are entitled to representation too. However. It appears that those horrible RINOs don't think I'm allowed representation at all and okie dokie I'll play by your rules. Oh, you don't like your rules? Then you shouldn't have made them, now, should you?

Posted by: alexthechick - Destroyer of Gaia and Seductress of Savagery at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (mf5HN)

94 56 It's time for the party to unite behind its nominee: Donald Trump.
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Good golly I am so tired of hearing this.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 02:41 PM (dFi94)

++++

You know what happens in the vast majority of cases at this point in the primary? The also-rans have dropped out. They make speeches about how they were disappointed that they were not more successful in getting their message out to the voters, but for the good of the party and the country, they they are dropping out so that the party can unite behinds its nominee. They make the point that what everyone needs to do is turn their focus on the parade of horribles that are the Democrats and do all that is possible to defeat them.

When Cruz finally drops out, it will no longer be necessary to make the obvious point.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (R+30W)

95 Hillary is going to be indicted, convicted, and whisked off to prison where she will be treated like a bad case of syphilis. 

Or she'll eat the republicans' lunch again like she did on Benghazi. 

Posted by: Fritz at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (UzPAd)

96 Waiting to hear which R candidate can win against Hillary... Pence and Boehner obviously can't decide either.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (hTqVx)

97 If Trump wins, they'll be able to easily co-opt him into making beautiful deals that a lifelong New York Democrat would find appealing. Posted by: TheJamesMadison ----------- Exactly. Trump's supporters may want to Burn It Down, but Trump actually likes It. It is profitable for him. It makes him money. He's been dealing successfully with It for his whole life. It will scratch his back while he scratches It's.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:47 AM (A6sW3)

98 Frankly, there is another outcome. Trump wins, and in that case a lot of people end up losing, including the Establishment.

I voted for Cruz and I'll stay with him until he's out. But I'll vote for Trump without hesitation. The guy is driving record turnout and is closing the poll gap with The Hag. There are a lot of unknowns with her including the potential indictment which will hurt her irrespective of out come. It's a distraction for an otherwise unlikable candidate. Trump will also go scorched earth on her. Anything she can pull on him (or Cruz frankly) can be countered.

A lot of people, including you, have built up The Hag to be some unbeatable enigma. I don't buy that and neither did Obama in 2008. She has a lot of flaws and I simply don't believe that her ascendancy over Cruz or Trump is some forgone conclusion

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 09:48 AM (O0lVq)

99 "I'll take a spoonful of whatever you're having."

I remember it, I am of that age, and I can tell you how the group got its name.  It's not an urban legend.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 09:48 AM (iIzG7)

100 50 Polls from a year ago predicted... All kinds of stuff that didn't happen too

Posted by: jsg at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (BHmDW)

101 noooooooooooo I can't see the cat noooooooooooooooo. *braces self for inevitable invisible pussy comments* No, it's not invisible, you just need a stepstool.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (uURQL)

102 If we had a space launch yesterday, everyone would be happy today. I blame Elon Musk!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (iQIUe)

103 Trump -- Unite The Clans!
 
Hillary -- Unite The Clams!

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (gyKtp)

104 95 Hillary is going to be indicted, convicted, and whisked off to prison where she will be treated like a bad case of syphilis.

Or she'll eat the republicans' lunch again like she did on Benghazi.

Posted by: Fritz at April 29, 2016 02:47 PM (UzPAd)



If the hag goes to prison (as if), guess who's waiting in the wings to take her place?  Slow Joe and Liawatha.  And that duo will handily beat Trump.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (FsuaD)

105 Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us. Sadly You are right... Posted by: donna at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (O2RFr) Yes indeed. This is probably the last election (based on the yearly growth in illegals, not to mention imported Syrians etc) where it will be possible to win a national vote. We need to unify around a candidate who will be serious about taking control of our borders and enforcing immigration law. All other considerations be damned. This is what I believed before this man ever ran for office, and it's why I support him. I don't fit my beliefs to his platform. He came to me. His promises on trade, the military, and his taking a light to the SJW tinderbox are just icing on the cake. There is no one else and we are out of clock.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (xuouz)

106 Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us. At that point, all that's left is the shooting.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (vz4z/)

107 Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us

They outnumber us. They don't think like us. They can't be persuaded, reasoned with or bargained with and they will not stop until you are dead.

/KyleReese

The Left's "Never Again" moment was Bush vs Gore. The necessary apparatus was put in place to insure that this would not happen again.

People want to tease Ted for his Hail Mary play but honestly, what do you think Trump is for real conservatives?

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (8ZHTC)

108 Tomorrow is May Day. What are all the commies doing tomorrow?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (iQIUe)

109 But... but... but I thought it was good???

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 09:49 AM (jVvcc)

110 Hillary is going to be indicted, convicted, and whisked off to prison where she will be treated like a bad case of syphilis. I believe that. I also bought some property on Atlantis.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (k4M/B)

111 A funny thing happened on the way to federal prison.  The FBI sucked my balls!  Bwahahaha!

Posted by: Granny Clinton at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (UzPAd)

112 Trumpsters. Trumpeteers. Trumpkins. So dumb. Remember these cutesie names after election day when you're a subject of Hillary Clinton. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 02:48 PM (T0BVJ) Well said but I hope we can navigate around that catastrophe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (Ozsfq)

113 It will end in tears, Hillary, ..... and blood. Wonder what we will get first. Amnesty or the SCOTUS ruling the 2nd is not an individual right?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (0x/TW)

114 Does anyone remember how this primary started out? Trump was ridiculed by everyone, the Right, Left, Press, Entertainers, people on the street. By all rights, he shouldn't of got 3% in any primary, but here he is, ready to clinch the nomination. Everything plus the kitchen sink has been thrown at him in every forum, but he continues to pick up support. Hillary, on the other hand, has only had Bernie tip-toeing around her criminal record and incompetence. Every time she opens her mouth, she loses support. How hard is it to plot the lines once Trump (and hopefully the rest of the right) goes after her in the General? What possible ammunition does she have against Trump that hasn't already been used? Hillary has a record. She's a know commodity that people hate. Trump is a blank slate, just like Obama was, that people can fill in the blanks on any way they like. This is not that hard, people.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (Zs4uk)

115 When a candidate is basically running against his own party - which is exactly what Senator Cruz and the Trump person are doing - then he hardly expect a lot of passionate endorsements from the people who make up said party. Seems obvious to me. The only thing baffling is that Governor Kasich, the only candidate left who fully embraces the Republican Party, is hardly getting any endorsements. That is indeed outrageous!

Posted by: Begonia at April 29, 2016 09:50 AM (iV7G7)

116 Hillary is going to be indicted, convicted, and whisked off to prison where she will be treated like a bad case of syphilis. And then We get Biden....I'm sure a Biden/Trump contest would assure Trump the Win.... Not....

Posted by: donna at April 29, 2016 09:51 AM (O2RFr)

117 We \ GOP needed to soul search and reconfigure post 2012 but they didn't do that in private or at leisure. So we're going to do it publicly and under the gun. Oh well.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at April 29, 2016 09:51 AM (dU/fR)

118 Listen folks, we need the mailmen vote. I'll lock that motherfucker up!

Posted by: J. Kasich at April 29, 2016 09:51 AM (ls2n/)

119 You have a viable alternative? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:42 PM (Ozsfq) The viable alternative seems to be letting Curly Haugland, the Rules Guru of North Dakota, tell us what we are going to get.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 09:51 AM (hLRSq)

120 >>I've got an uneasy feeling about Hawaii and Rhode Island. You shouldn't be worried about RI. Went for Trump and Bernie in the primary. Most of the voters here like liberal candidates so Trump will do well.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (/tuJf)

121 Begonia is a sock, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (FsuaD)

122 Trump is a blank slate, just like Obama was, that people can fill in the blanks on any way they like.
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Well that's reassuring.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (dFi94)

123 Tomorrow is May Day. What are all the commies doing tomorrow? Day after, but whatevs. There was a modest NYC MoMe a couple of years ago on May Day. I thought it was hilarious that I had to walk through a parade of no-shit communists to meet Morons.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (1xUj/)

124 "... a Biden/Trump contest..."

A battle of wits, to be sure.

Well, wit, singular.  The two of them together equal one wit.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (iIzG7)

125 We the people have brought everything on ourselves when it comes to our political leaders. Obama, the mostly socialist Democrats, the craven cowards in the Republican party who capitulate to the Dem/Soc at every opportunity. Ace, when you say Hillary wins it your saying that you won't support the R nominee and then more do it and more do it and them we have a repeat of Obama for 8 years due to inaction of the people. Time to go outside of the box and see what's out there. That's my advice anyhow. Nobody has seen outside the box with a guy like Trump at the helm. One can say he will do this or that but nobody really knows. We do know what Hillary will do being she is a rabid progressive. Open the fuggin box.

Posted by: Drider at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (bdzyz)

126 The viable alternative seems to be letting Curly Haugland, the Rules Guru of North Dakota, tell us what we are going to get. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 02:51 PM (hLRSq) Wasn't he the 25 choice in the NFL Draft last night?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:52 AM (Ozsfq)

127 How about Trump gets elected. He does ok, not great, but ok. The US survives, and eight years from now we get another democrat. It could happen. Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 02:43 PM (pi5El) Oh, how I wish this would come true. But if wishes were horses, then we'd be riding John Kerry - no wait, that's not how it goes...

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (u0lmX)

128 Trump is a blank slate, The guy who's been in the public eye for 3 decades is a blank slate?

Posted by: wishcasting at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (2WoCi)

129 It won't end in Hillary. It may end in Biden. Or Sanders. Or Warren. But I really do not think Hillary's gonna make it to the general as a viable candidate, no matter who the GOP nominee is.

Posted by: JEM at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (o+SC1)

130 "Trump is a blank slate, just like Obama was, that people can fill in the blanks on any way they like." ----------- If there's one sure way to get a conservative on board with your guy, tell him that your guy is just like Obama.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (A6sW3)

131 >>Nobody has seen outside the box with a guy like Trump at the helm. I also haven't seen a cross-country flight piloted by Gary Busey. Doesn't mean I want to start now.

Posted by: xda at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (ls2n/)

132 "P.S. If you recognize this it means you're an old fart."
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I do, and I guess I am.

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2016 09:53 AM (7Kbxu)

133 Are some of you so [deleted] that you can't see the alternative as being far, far worse? Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 02:52 PM (T0BVJ) You're new here, aren't you kid?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (xuouz)

134 Fine. Then let's break it, and break it hard, and have done with it. The Tea Party is the bad guy? Seriously?

Posted by: RNR at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (OuJcq)

135 The guy who's been in the public eye for 3 decades is a blank slate? And there is lots of "juicy" stuff for the Media...

Posted by: donna at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (O2RFr)

136
All I know is that I woke and saw news this morning that a bunch of illegals were rioting because they don't think that they should be held accountable for their illegality.  Which they did publicly because they are not being held accountable for their illegality.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (ODxAs)

137 >>If the hag goes to prison (as if), guess who's waiting in the wings to take her place? Slow Joe and Liawatha. And that duo will handily beat

Trump.Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 02:49 PM (FsuaD) <<

Respectfully, that pair couldn't beat a rug. You don't remember Biden running for president- do you? Or Lizzies Lyin campaign. THink that will sell in a general? I don't.

I am just getting a little tired of the meme any Democrat will beat whomever Republicans put up. Because, you know they are giants in every sense including intellect.

I think the disappointment of losing to Obama twice has gotten to some peoples psyche. These other Democrats are Obama. The first clue would be the 25% decrease in primary voters.

I get that people don't like Trump but the man is driving record turnout. I don't quite understand it all, but that's a fact.

But, you know, let's go hang ourselves or something.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (O0lVq)

138 Hillary has a record. She's a know commodity that people hate. Trump is a blank slate, just like Obama was, that people can fill in the blanks on any way they like. This is not that hard, people. Posted by: jwest Bullshit. yes, Hillary has a record, and yes people can hate her. But the assholes who will vote for her will and already are claim that she is supposedly better. Lying is what they do. They would do it if she ran against Jesus Christ. Trump has been a media celebrity for over three decades....And somehow he is a blank slate. Bullshit.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (326rv)

139 The guy who's been in the public eye for 3 decades is a blank slate? ------------ Trump's a "blank slate" in the sense that who the fuck knows what his actual positions are on anything. Including Trump, who's too pig-headed to realize what he doesn't know.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:54 AM (A6sW3)

140 Begonia is a sock, right? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 02:52 PM (FsuaD) Wasn't she the latest incarnation of curious?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (uURQL)

141 "How about Trump gets elected. He does ok, not great, but ok. The US survives, and eight years from now we get another democrat. " Well, I hate the part about another democrat..

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (u0lmX)

142 I don't think calling people Trumpkins will get Hillary elected. I think Trump's own statements and actions will. Has he released his tax records yet? He promised to do so last year. Maybe he can release them after his fraud lawsuit in court this summer.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (UBBWX)

143 "Actually, it's getting closer and closer to the point where even if you unite RINOs and Trumpeteers, and conservatives, the Left outnumbers us" Which is why I think the most telling polls are the ones showing Obama at about a 50% approval rating. That rating level given the last 7 years shows we are in big trouble.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (hTqVx)

144 Begonia is a sock, right? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 02:52 PM (FsuaD) _______ No, I do not engage in this whole "sock" business, but I was told that I was impersonated several times in this fashion, here in the comments section!

Posted by: Begonia at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (iV7G7)

145 143 Begonia is a sock, right? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 02:52 PM (FsuaD) Wasn't she the latest incarnation of curious? Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 02:55 PM (uURQL) Yeah, I thought she was cat piss.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 29, 2016 09:55 AM (u0lmX)

146 No, I do not engage in this whole "sock" business, but I was told that I was impersonated several times in this fashion, here in the comments section! So You're just an anklet then...

Posted by: donna at April 29, 2016 09:56 AM (O2RFr)

147 >>Nobody has seen outside the box with a guy like Trump at the helm. I also haven't seen a cross-country flight piloted by Gary Busey. Doesn't mean I want to start now. Heh, good one and true. That being said, it's not like you have a choice.

Posted by: Drider at April 29, 2016 09:56 AM (bdzyz)

148 I am so sick of people pretending to be conservatives here and doing nothing what so ever but trying to torpedo the Republican Ticket, no matter who is on that ticket. What bullshit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 09:56 AM (Ozsfq)

149 I'm Hilary Clinton and i approve of this endorsement

Posted by: Hilary at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (oGRue)

150 No, I do not engage in this whole "sock" business, but I was told that I was impersonated several times in this fashion, here in the comments section!

Posted by: Begonia at April 29, 2016 02:55 PM (iV7G7)



Horrors!  *clutches pearls*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (FsuaD)

151 I doubt Trump can be any worse than George W Bush. Posted by: Mr. Rourke

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I disagree.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (Qvgg/)

152 The Tea Party is the bad guy? Seriously? ------- Yep. If you had told the Trump people just a year ago that Ted Cruz would be near the front of the pack, they'd be ecstatic. A real conservative! Someone who doesn't give a shit about being liked by the Establishment! A true Tea Party guy! The guy who tried to defund Obamacare! But because Trump called him "Lyin' Ted," well, he's Lyin' Ted, tool of the GOPe.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (26zxJ)

153 Conservatives end up changing nothing. The march to Socialism continues unchecked. What is needed is a Nationalist.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (mR7Es)

154 Oh, the spontaneous demonstrations by "teens" are now attacking people in Burlingame at the GOP convention.

Posted by: PJ at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (cHuNI)

155 Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2016 02:50 PM (Zs4uk) I wasn't one of the people laughing. I'd heard him saying the same stuff he's saying now back in 2012 or around then on the radio. I realized if he ran he'd be a serious threat. I wouldn't have necessarily said he's win the nomination, but I wouldn't have been surprised if he did. I should have put money on him winning it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 09:57 AM (4ErVI)

156 Tequila has me feeling good! Campaigning in no pain. Fourth estate ignores I'm three sheets. Bark!

Posted by: Hillary 2016 at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (FXW24)

157 "I'll take a spoonful of whatever you're having." I remember it, I am of that age, and I can tell you how the group got its name. It's not an urban legend. - One story which I hope is true is that a certain Texas band were aficionados of boobage and dreamed up their name with refernce to desired bra size, ZZ Top.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (Nwg0u)

158 4 Dana Loesch was wondering if his sitting on the fence was going to hurt him. Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2016 02:29 PM (PFZvJ) --- i expect sitting on a fence hurts more if you have balls.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (oGRue)

159 Yeah, said this yesterday. The establishment thinks they will survive under Hillary and teach the Trump voters a lesson. And if Trump manages to win, they can co-opt him. And that about wraps it all up, all we can do is wait for one of the existential threats (debt implosion, Islamification, North Korean nukes) to end it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (kBIIG)

160 "I am so sick of people pretending to be conservatives here and doing nothing what so ever but trying to torpedo the Republican Ticket, no matter who is on that ticket. What bullshit" --------- Ticket hasn't been formed yet. I'm going to fight Trump until it is. Deal with it.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (26zxJ)

161 Eh. What we're seeing is what was always going to happen, ie. politicians falling in with the winner. They never want to be left behind and/or oppose the popular guy. (see GOP pols handling of Obama) Pence can't kill his brand in an election, so he praises the guy he expects to win (Trump) and gives a damning with faint praise endorsement of Cruz. So, Trump won't have any trouble picking a Veep. Oh, you'll see some sour grapes and feather-preening among the #nevertrumps, but actual politicians? Yeah, not so much.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (0cMkb)

162 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/) 5) Trump wins vs. Hillary. Governs as Liberal Republican. Cruz, et al in Senate differentiate themselves from Administration and take power back for Legislative Branch.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (Y3C5w)

163 88
Link?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (Ozsfq)


Front page, MSN...

Posted by: Don Q. at April 29, 2016 02:46 PM (qf6WZ)


The only thing about the Supreme Court I see on MSN is the TX voter ID law which has nothing to do with warrants. How about a link?

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (vvmPQ)

164 "I am so sick of people pretending to be conservatives here and doing nothing what so ever but trying to torpedo the Republican Ticket, no matter who is on that ticket. What bullshit" Yeah, we're all pretenders. Trump said he'd pay down the debt in 8 years, but he's only willing to cut fraud, waste, and abuse. Who's the pretend conservative?

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 09:58 AM (UBBWX)

165 Honestly, it's getting to the point where I wouldn't go to war with a fair degree of the people writing this nonsense. You don't go to war with what you want, you go to war with what you have. If you're in the fight, then fight the good fight hard and until the end.

I don't "think" about losing. I think about "winning" until it's over.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (O0lVq)

166 "I've heard a lot of RINOs openly talking about Trump being preferable, because his catastrophic loss will teach these Tea Partiers and uppity conservatives that they had better listen to the Cool Reason of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell in the future."
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Since 1994 I was as reliable a Republican as these RINO jackoffs could have wanted, and they simply don't understand that it's over.

I'm not a Trump supporter, and I will also never, NEVER, vote for a Bob Dole/Mitch McConnell/Marco Rubio/John McCain/George W. Bush type ever again.

Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (7Kbxu)

167 Cruz has made a lot of mistakes in this campaign, no doubt, but I am amazed that he is able to suffer setbacks, formulate new strategies on the fly, and continue to have a chance of getting the nomination. My understanding is that he is fighting for Indiana door-by-door and voter-by-voter, and I think the polls show that he is making progress. With his ability to organize and and keep his head, and with his belief in freedom and constitutionalism, he could be a very good POTUS -- good for our economy, our freedom, and our security.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (UwQ7q)

168 >>What is needed is a Nationalist. So silly. Trump isn't a nationalist. He's a Trumpist. All he cares about is what is good for Trump at any given moment. The idea that he is going to change anything in DC is absurd. He isn't even pretending he's going to, he leaves that up to his supporters.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (/tuJf)

169 Conservatives end up changing nothing. The march to Socialism continues unchecked. What is needed is a Nationalist. ----------- Because Nationalism and Socialism are mutually exclusive!

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (aFa2V)

170 I'm not bothered by Trump's contributions to Hillary. I, for one, like my presidential candidate to make contributions to the opposing candidate because it demonstrates an appreciation for the kind of wasteful spending our federal government in Washington runs on.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (tfM+W)

171 >>>>>
I think the disappointment of losing to Obama twice has gotten to some peoples psyche. These other Democrats are Obama. The first clue would be the 25% decrease in primary voters.

I get that people don't like Trump but the man is driving record turnout. I don't quite understand it all, but that's a fact.

But, you know, let's go hang ourselves or something.
.
.
.
.Exactly!  Everyone is ignoring the two 800 pound Gorillas sitting in the middle of the room here.  One is the FBI.  No matter what happens there are going to be some gigantic damaging leaks for Hillary that Trump will stomp on.  Even if the nominee it is hillary, she is damaged goods about to be damaged further.  The other gorilla is Dem voter participation has dropped off dramatically compared to 2008 and 2012, and it is not going to go back up even if Biden jumps in because all of the Sanders supports will stay home because the DNC stole the nomination from him. 

Way too many Debbie Downers in here lately. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (iONHu)

172 I get that people don't like Trump but the man is driving record turnout. I don't quite understand it all, but that's a fact. But, you know, let's go hang ourselves or something. Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 02:54 PM (O0lVq) Yes!

Posted by: #NeverTrumpers going long on rope at April 29, 2016 09:59 AM (xuouz)

173 Yeah it's really too bad that only 7 or 8 commenters on the internet  saying nice things about Ted and bad things about Trump was all that it would have taken to push Ted right over the top to victory.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:00 AM (8ZHTC)

174 Tomorrow is May Day. What are all the commies doing tomorrow? Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 02:49 PM (iQIUe) You plan on skipping Saturday?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:00 AM (hLRSq)

175 Time to go outside of the box and see what's out there. That's my advice anyhow. Nobody has seen outside the box with a guy like Trump at the helm. One can say he will do this or that but nobody really knows. "How bad could it be?" are famous last words when it comes to the executive office of the country.

Posted by: AD at April 29, 2016 10:00 AM (J3JY/)

176 5) Trump wins vs. Hillary. Governs as Liberal Republican. Cruz, et al in Senate differentiate themselves from Administration and take power back for Legislative Branch. Posted by: West Town Wow. No seriously, that's the best still-possible outcome.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:00 AM (1xUj/)

177 So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come.>>>

So an old time political game of Chicken F-ing?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 29, 2016 10:00 AM (tf9Ne)

178 I think I'll just sit here and drink.

Posted by: Lauren at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (x4WCI)

179 Yup I think it will end in both Hillary and tears.  But also, beer.  Lots and lots of beer, to tide me over for 4 years of Her Shrillariness.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (dpnZC)

180 [test]

Posted by: Ralph at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (uoaXf)

181 Ticket hasn't been formed yet. I'm going to fight Trump until it is. Deal with it. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:58 PM (26zxJ) Actually i don't give a rat's ass what you say, as long as you pledge to support the Republican Ticket when it is formed. So I don't have to deal with anything. But with Trump looking more and more like the presumptive Nominee it might behoove people to keep that in mind. Nor was I talking about you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (Ozsfq)

182 As much of a jackwagon as Knight is, it probably was more productive (at least in Indiana) for Trump than any of these has been for Cruz. I don't think 90% of the population even know who Pence is to begin with. If endorsements are of any value at all, its only local.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (39g3+)

183 him "Lyin' Ted," well, he's Lyin' Ted, tool of the GOPe. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:57 PM (26zxJ) No, not quite. Cruz has allied himself with the gope because he had little choice left. Trump was kicking his ass and Cruz needed help.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (mR7Es)

184
The problem is the republican party is no longer conservative, so it is no wonder conservatives don't like the republican party.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2016 10:01 AM (ODxAs)

185 5) Trump wins vs. Hillary. Governs as Liberal Republican. Cruz, et al in Senate differentiate themselves from Administration and take power back for Legislative Branch.

Posted by: West Town


Except, Trump will by then have learned how to use Obama's "pen and a phone".  And who is going to stop him then?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (dpnZC)

186 Posted by: Kensington at April 29, 2016 02:59 PM (7Kbxu) I'm not really a Trump supporter either. Of course I've enjoyed his rather unorthodox campaign style (signing autographs on his books at a campaign rally was fucking hilarious), but I will vote for him if he's the nominee. I haven't voted in the primary since it's next week. I'll probably vote for Cruz (Nebraska is favored to go for him anyway so it wouldn't matter who I vote for in the primary). I won't feel bad about voting for Trump though because at least I'll get to vote...if it had been Yeb forget about it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (4ErVI)

187 I think I'll just sit here and drink. Skootch over, I got some ice water here. We can watch cat videos on youtube or something

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (39g3+)

188 What will we watch when Donald's show is cancelled in November?

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (tfM+W)

189 It's time to unite behind Hillary!!!

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (jVvcc)

190 I see the riots in Frisco are getting warmed up. News said they expect up to 10,000. Cali commies are never one to miss a chance to show how they only want peace.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (18QvC)

191 i expect sitting on a fence hurts more if you have balls. Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 02:58 PM (oGRue) It's worse when it's a picket fence.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (391wI)

192 166 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/) Trump wins and in the first 100 days changes and fixes the same shit you or I or anyone with any common sense would if we didn't have a long list of party hacks, lobbyists and contributors who profited off of the status quo.

Posted by: jwest at April 29, 2016 10:02 AM (Zs4uk)

193 Because Nationalism and Socialism are mutually exclusive! Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:59 PM (aFa2V) Because Germans were Nazis, it is essential to deconstruct any sense of America's nationalism, because America nationalists destroyed the Nazi war machine. Wait a second ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:03 AM (uURQL)

194 There's a mostly peaceful riot going on now outside of the CA GOP convention where Trump is about to speak.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:03 AM (1xUj/)

195 I would have supported a Cruz ticket and I will support a Trump ticket. I want to defeat global socialism and live in a country which operates under the rule of law and does not loathe and stigmatize its own history and identity. Conservatism no longer accomplishes any of that.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 10:03 AM (xuouz)

196 The problem is the republican party is no longer conservative, so it is no wonder conservatives don't like the republican party. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2016 03:01 PM (ODxAs) That is 100% true, but the problem is the Democratic party is not long liberal either having warped into some left with stalinist communists.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:03 AM (Ozsfq)

197 Don't smear Donald Trump! Only Trump gets to smear people! Lyin' Ted. Nasty Ted. Hey my friend in the tabloid will run a story on Ted! Ted's not a citizen! So sad. Trump supporters: its too late for you to now demand decorum and unity.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:03 AM (UBBWX)

198 90----I accept that view and always have. Never said anything different. But I also accept and firmly believe that Hillary is far worse. And that is where I am coming from Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:46 PM -------------------- We KNOW what Hillary will do. With Trump there is less certainty. Take SCOTUS appointments. We KNOW Hillary will give us a Sotomayor. We have no idea what Trump will come up with. Could be a Sotomayor, could be a Kennedy, could be a Roberts, and could be an Alito. Where that's concerned, I'll take my chances with the orange clown.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (T/5A0)

199 whassup

Posted by: Masturbatin' Godwin' [/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (8ZHTC)

200 "You plan on skipping Saturday?"

I may re-enact that famous Ray Milland motion picture, The Lost Weekend.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (iIzG7)

201 I'll vote trump or cruz. I don't really understand the never trump never cruz I'm taking my ball and going home thing

Posted by: nckate at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (/ygaY)

202 199 There's a mostly peaceful riot going on now outside of the CA GOP convention where Trump is about to speak.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:03 PM (1xUj/)



I like the "mostly peaceful" part.  Have any police cars been destroyed yet?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (FsuaD)

203 Except, Trump will by then have learned how to use Obama's "pen and a phone". And who is going to stop him then? The whole point of electing Trump is to abuse the office against the Left in the same way Obama has used it for Leftist causes. Reprisal.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (uURQL)

204 >>Yeah it's really too bad that only 7 or 8 commenters on the internet saying nice things about Ted and bad things about Trump was all that it would have taken to push Ted right over the top to victory.
Posted by: Mortimer at April 29, 2016 03:00 PM (8ZHTC) <<

I've stayed with Cruz because on paper and in policy he's a great choice.

But that does not make him a great "candidate", which takes a lot more than just saying the right things.

Clearly, these elections on both sides are also "beauty contests" which takes some type of visible presence and attraction. Cruz just does not seem to be resounding with the electorate in that way. You often want to push him to be more passionate and expressive. But he just isn't.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 10:04 AM (O0lVq)

205 Ticket hasn't been formed yet. I'm going to fight Trump until it is. Deal with it. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:58 PM (26zxJ) Yep, nothing wrong with that on all sides. It's all just noise until November.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:05 AM (hTqVx)

206

It will end in tears. And Hillary. But mostly Hillary. And also, tears.


or not.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:05 AM (DL2i+)

207 The best news of all is that based on current polling     showing the race as Clinton vs Trump, no matter who wins, we are going to    enshrine socialized medicine in the    US,    so when you are dying from lack of medical care, you can think back to the primary season of 2016 with fondness.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 10:05 AM (Qvgg/)

208 Yep. If you had told the Trump people just a year ago that Ted Cruz would be near the front of the pack, they'd be ecstatic. A real conservative! Someone who doesn't give a shit about being liked by the Establishment! A true Tea Party guy! The guy who tried to defund Obamacare! But because Trump called him "Lyin' Ted," well, he's Lyin' Ted, tool of the GOPe. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:57 PM (26zxJ) Nope. A lot of Tea Partiers had a problem with Cruz being ineligible. And, as far a being viewed as a tool of the GOPe, that was Cruz's own doing with his absolutely insane shilling for TPA (which, to this day I cannot understand, not in the least bit), his very soft positions on illegals and the border and several other problems. I like Cruz, personally, but he created his own political problems. He gave up pretty darn quickly on that BarkyCare attack. I truly appreciate that he tried but he picked the wrong time, the wrong way to attack it (after all this time in the Senate) and was finished with it in no time. He got a B- for effort on that one.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 10:05 AM (zc3Db)

209 There's a mostly peaceful riot going on now outside of the CA GOP convention where Trump is about to speak. Warm up for the Nationals in Cleveland?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (pi5El)

210 "No one here or on TV or on the radio is "fighting" Donald Trump. All your doing is smearing the Republican candidate and eventual nominee. All your doing is screwing yourself." Posted by: Mr. Rourke --------- I don't want to hear one goddam word about civility and coming together from the devotees of cheap-shot artist and general asshole Donald J. Trump. If your guy can't play nice with other Republicans, then other Republicans owe him nothing but spite in return.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (26zxJ)

211 The anger and hostility that is finding an outlet in Trump is not going to disappear or dissipate if Trump fades from the stage on the contrary, it will get worse until it explodes. There's no way to head off the violance that is going to occur. Like I said, we are not getting our country back no matter how reasoned our arguments or how nicely we ask.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (dugPO)

212 Clearly, these elections on both sides are also "beauty contests" No shit?! -JFK

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (hTqVx)

213 Why should I support the Republican ticket, exactly?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (FQKBL)

214 "No, not quite. Cruz has allied himself with the gope because he had little choice left. Trump was kicking his ass and Cruz needed help." And Trump also was playing that game in Feb. "Everyone has to be a little establishment." Its a weird dance.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:06 AM (UBBWX)

215 a lot of RINOs

Is how we got here.  The loudest, only effective at getting themselves paid, collaborationist wing.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:07 AM (DL2i+)

216 Because Nationalism and Socialism are mutually exclusive! Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 02:59 PM (aFa2V) All nationalism is bad because nazis were nationalists! #YesAllNationalism

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 10:07 AM (xuouz)

217 Just throwing this out. Seems appropriate. No other comment needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAKPJEq1Ew

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Vote for me! Free Cookies!! Milk too if you vote twice. at April 29, 2016 10:07 AM (WVsWD)

218 Rush was talking today about the "woman card" that Hillary's campaign so wittily co opted after Trump's comment. This is a pink credit card that says "woman's card" on it , that her campaign is selling for a $1 to raise funds. Rush said that the millenials that have been interviewed about it say they think it's not only stupid, but that they find it somewhat offensive. That they are not a monolithic voting block of females for Hillary! because she is a woman. He said that Hillary and her peers in the women's movement(old crows) such as Madeline Albreight are so out of touch with young adults perception of "feminism" and they are turning off young voters.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:07 AM (391wI)

219 Maybe he can release them after his fraud lawsuit in court this summer. Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 02:55 PM (UBBWX) The lawsuit will be delayed until after November because that is what high-priced lawyers are best at. If you are waiting for that to save you from the Monster Trump you will be waiting for a very long time.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:07 AM (hLRSq)

Posted by: 19 at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (8ZHTC)

221 Posted by: flashoverride at April 29, 2016 03:06 PM (m+O2C) Get the fuck out of here with your threats of violence against anyone, asshole.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (hTqVx)

222 I'd really enjoy a nationalist if the nationalist wasn't also a Truther, an admirer of Vladimir Putin, ignorant of basic aspects of public policy, and had some concept of executive restraint. If Trump becomes President, there's at least a 50/50 shot the Constitution will be effectively replaced by Trump's ego.

Posted by: AD at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (J3JY/)

223 I don't want to hear one goddam word about civility and coming together from the devotees of cheap-shot artist and general asshole Donald J. Trump. If your guy can't play nice with other Republicans, then other Republicans owe him nothing but spite in return. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:06 PM (26zxJ) Again your missing the big picture and the real enemy which is the democrats. If trump could be legitimately stopped still at this point I'd be for it. But I don't see that happening and I am experienced and mature enough to look past the convention to the fight for the White House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (Ozsfq)

224 Pence is going to be damn busy this fall anyways and can't afford to alienate anyone.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (DL2i+)

225







The question is moot.

Posted by: $19,240,226,530,789.00 at April 29, 2016 10:08 AM (8ZHTC)

226 During the 2013 Shutdown there were folks here who said Cruz was doing it just for his own sake. Now it is Trump that is accused of the same thing.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (mR7Es)

227 A lot of Tea Partiers had a problem with Cruz being ineligible. -------- And a lot of people still think that Obama was born in Keyna. People are dumb. Especially those who think that Cruz is a a tool of the GOPe, and that Trump is anything other than a Democrat.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (26zxJ)

228 ThePrimordialOrderedPair Trump won't touch Obamacare. Trump believes its the government's job to take care of people.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (UBBWX)

229 We hate Bush and Trump and if either is elected will not comply with their stooped laws and stuff. Sanator Sanders is the only choose for Presdent we supports him or no one at all. Trump lies and does not care for persons of color...........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (NuElX)

230 151 I am so sick of people pretending to be conservatives here and doing nothing what so ever but trying to torpedo the Republican Ticket, no matter who is on that ticket. What bullshit Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 02:56 PM (Ozsfq) Yeah, because Republican = Conservative at this point. Where have you been?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (Y3C5w)

231 You're just mad Barack isn't the same color as you. And named Donald. Posted by: flashoverride at April 29, 2016 03:06 PM (m+O2C) Sorry asshole, don't spew your own racism and racist delusions over everyone else then call them racists. In case I wasn't clear, Go Fuck Yourself.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (0cMkb)

232 I will say keeping my powder dry and not getting emotionally invested in any specific candidate this year has just been awesome. Much less stress. I've just been watching and enjoying the shitshow.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 10:09 AM (4ErVI)

233 I just lost 20 point of my IQ listening to the "protesters", ahem rioters, being interviewed. Either a lot of them are not US citizens or don't have a Third Grade command over the English language.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (O0lVq)

234 I still believe Hillary will not be the nominee. I believe that the FBI poobahs and Justice are praying she loses the nomination on her own (or maybe with just a tiny bit of help) and fades away. I would not be surprised to find that they've already 'briefed' a few highly-placed superdelegates on the potential outcome of a Hillary nomination. She may still get the black female vote, she might still win the Hispanic vote over Trump, but by the time we get to November everyone else will understand that she's the road to Venezuela.

Posted by: JEM at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (o+SC1)

235 I like the "mostly peaceful" part. Have any police cars been destroyed yet? No. Daylight may help. Protesters thought they had all the entrances blocked. Helicopter shot showed Secret Service escorting Trump in from an unexpected direction. Mexican flags flying. Woman being interviewed says any means necessary are cool to keep him from speaking because he's hateful to blacks and browns and Muslims. I am, by Horde standards, pro-immigrant and anti-Trump, but gosh I can see how this shit drives people to him. (Interviewee was American negress, btw, not Mexican).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (1xUj/)

236 Except, Trump will by then have learned how to use Obama's "pen and a phone". And who is going to stop him then? Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:02 PM (dpnZC) LOL. The Vichy GOP will be looking to impeach Trump from day one and will have no compunctions about going after him for the tiniest detail. Personally, I'm fine with that. The President should have to worry about being tossed out by Congress and it would be nice to have a President thrown out to show that the Congress still does have the power to stop Presidential over-reach (though that will not be the case with Trump, with that it will just be the Vichy GOP looking to get rid of him). In the last election my position was for Mittens but in a very quick "Elect and Impeach" setting. Anyway, Trump won't be allowed even one inch of leeway in office. You can rest assured of that. ANd none of the cowardly traitors in the Vichy GOP will hesitate for a second to try and throw him out. Just put yourself in Congress, think about what you would do and then you know what the Vichy GOP will do.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (zc3Db)

237 I'm not asking you to accept that view, but do you believe that the people who hold it hold it legitimately? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:44 PM (1xUj/) Some people hold that view, and are able to debate rationally, and some hold that view, and it has become such an idee fixe with them, that they have become batshit crazy on that topic.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (cZbjp)

238 237 We hate Bush and Trump and if either is elected will not comply with their stooped laws and stuff. Sanator Sanders is the only choose for Presdent we supports him or no one at all. Trump lies and does not care for persons of color........... Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 29, 2016 03:09 PM (NuElX) Still working your way through that stroke, Mary?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (4ErVI)

239 Anyone who moans about the 2013 Shutdown and blames Cruz should ask what are they blaming Cruz for? 2014: Did the GOP lose that cycle? No. They expanded in Congress and the Senate beyond their wildest dreams. Cruz didn't hurt the GOP - he helped it. Then McConnel and Boehner pissed it away, as usual.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (UBBWX)

240 >> Either a lot of them are not US citizens or don't have a >> Third Grade command over the English language. That's not an either/or.

Posted by: JEM at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (o+SC1)

241 5) Trump wins vs. Hillary. Governs as Liberal Republican. Cruz, et al in Senate differentiate themselves from Administration and take power back for Legislative Branch. Gotta agree, that wouldn't be a bad outcome. Especially if he has to throw a bone to the right and put someone at least as far to the right as Kennedy on the SC.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 29, 2016 10:10 AM (kBIIG)

242 Fox is showing the "peaceful protesters" in CA. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (FsuaD)

243 ABU HAJAAR!!! What is WRONG WITH YOU?!?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (WV7Tr)

244 Boehner, Ryan, McConnel et al are not the type to step aside

We're here to present conservative ideas and suck dick to remain in power, and we're all out of ideas!

Posted by: Boehner, Ryan, McConnel, et al. at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (F1ndw)

245 Tim in Illinois -

Excellent!


Fond memories of watching Hee Haw with mom and dad on our b/w tv with aluminum foil on the rabbit ears so we could pick up a third channel.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (8ZHTC)

246 Lots of Mexican flags at the "peaceful protest."  Shocka.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (FsuaD)

247 Yeah, because Republican = Conservative at this point. Where have you been? Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 03:09 PM (Y3C5w) fighting liberals and crazy left wingers who want to ruin this Country, that's were. And I don't see how electing hillary or any other democrat helps anyone but our enemies.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:11 AM (Ozsfq)

248 "Anyway, Trump won't be allowed even one inch of leeway in office." The president is a very powerful position. Trump will have leeway if elected. Congress won't dare oppose a guy with his megaphone. You're delusional.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:12 AM (UBBWX)

249 "All nationalism is bad because nazis were nationalists!" ------ No. Please work on your reading comprehension. What I was responding to was #156: "Conservatives end up changing nothing. The march to Socialism continues unchecked. What is needed is a Nationalist." Nationalism, without conservatism, does not serve as a check on socialism AT ALL. Not one bit. A Nationalist liberal like Trump isn't an improvement. He's a foot on the accelerator on the road to serfdom.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:12 AM (26zxJ)

250 Okay, serious question. Creatures from hell -- Christians got holy water, crosses, etc. to keep them at bay. What do Jews use? Prayers?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:12 AM (iQIUe)

251 Except, Trump will by then have learned how to use Obama's "pen and a phone". And who is going to stop him then? Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:02 PM (dpnZC) Illiteracy?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (Y3C5w)

252 Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:12 PM (UBBWX) What's your point? Whom are you supporting?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (Ozsfq)

253 Either a lot of them are not US citizens or don't have a
>> Third Grade command over the English language.


That'th raythithm!

Posted by: Mike Tyson at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (F1ndw)

254 Trump supporters: its too late for you to now demand decorum and unity. Posted by: Harun What if they were to wave a flag?

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (326rv)

255 >>The Trump haters interpret everything as anti-Cruz unless it's anti-Trump. And the Trump fans just can't accept that some of us are very familiar with Trump's record and don't want to vote for a progressive in drag. The most irritating part of the pro-trumpers is they insist that the only way you can be against Trump is on aesthetics or some other dumb reason. Nope, some of us do not like his views. Period.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (/tuJf)

256 Trump won't touch Obamacare. Trump believes its the government's job to take care of people. We have both houses of congress. They won't touch it either. What party is conservative again?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (vz4z/)

257 fighting liberals and crazy left wingers who want to ruin this Country, that's were. And I don't see how electing hillary or any other democrat helps anyone but our enemies. Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:11 PM (Ozsfq) And...the "GOPe" argument continues...

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:13 AM (Y3C5w)

258 There is one faction that will come out stronger from this when Trump gains the nomination: the GOPe.

Having lost totally and accomplished nothing they'll claim they're right about everything.  But claiming their right and losing is what they do.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (DL2i+)

259 I mean, you're Vichy GOP thing is cute, but the analogy sticks: the Vichy rolled over for the Germans. Vichy GOP will roll over for Trump. Maybe not on trade. That's one issue I could see donor class be willing to die for. But a wall? Keeping out brown people for a couple of years? Keep in mind Trump has won in this scenario. If Trump can win, everything changes.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (UBBWX)

260 Illiteracy?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (Y3C5w)

========================================



Can't stop laughing 

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (dFi94)

261 Yes, of course, if we don't elect Cruz and end up with Trump we will lose. So we should quit and perhaps create a Vichy Government with The Hag.

Honestly, some people need to dig deeper for a bigger set of balls.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (O0lVq)

262 ABU HAJAAR! Where is the rocket for shooting raaaacist white people?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (xuouz)

263 Lots of Mexican flags at the "peaceful protest." Shocka.

Pro tip: This ain't fuckin MEXICO!

Posted by: tu3031 at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (YFFpo)

264 A vote for Hillary is a vote for a Democrat socialist a vote for Donald is a vote for a Democrat corporatist.

Forty percent (40%) of Republicans will not vote for Trump.   Maybe there is a possibility of a 3rd party win.
 

Posted by: Ralph at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (uoaXf)

265 And...the "GOPe" argument continues... Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (Y3C5w) NO it doesn't. I recognize what the Republican party is and what it isn't. Apparently you and others don't recognize what the democratic party has warped into or choose to ignore it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:14 AM (Ozsfq)

266 I will say keeping my powder dry and not getting emotionally invested in any specific candidate this year has just been awesome. Much less stress. I've just been watching and enjoying the shitshow. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 03:09 PM (4ErVI) That is very important if you are going to run a place like the Outrage Outlet. I can offer you the position of assistant junior night manager; with pluck and pep you can work your way up to junior night manager and a 35 cent raise in six months. Interested? The bullet-proof vest is provided and most of the bloodstains have been removed.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (hLRSq)

267 Posted by: flashoverride at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (m+O2C) Yeesh, where does Soros get these clowns? Odds on Bus Station Gloryhole: 2 : 1.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (0cMkb)

268 Today's Gender Ambiguous Cat is fabuloussss!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (iQIUe)

269 I see the trolls are awake.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (O0lVq)

270 Posted by: flashoverride at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (m+O2C) I'm not a Trumpkin (not that it matters) and you need a banhammer.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (hTqVx)

271 "We have both houses of congress. They won't touch it either. What party is conservative again?" Obama has a veto, and the Senate has fillibuster. Ted Cruz tried. That's why I'd give him the vote. But, if you'd rather just have Obamacare if Trump makes you happy, then you'll probably have that chance.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (UBBWX)

272 257 "All nationalism is bad because nazis were nationalists!" ------ No. Please work on your reading comprehension. What I was responding to was #156: "Conservatives end up changing nothing. The march to Socialism continues unchecked. What is needed is a Nationalist." Nationalism, without conservatism, does not serve as a check on socialism AT ALL. Not one bit. A Nationalist liberal like Trump isn't an improvement. He's a foot on the accelerator on the road to serfdom. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:12 PM (26zxJ) Conservatives are proven failures. Keep jumping you might get those grapes.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:15 AM (mR7Es)

273 I'm not a Trumpkin (not that it matters) and you need a banhammer. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 03:15 PM (hTqVx) Amen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (Ozsfq)

274 Nationalism, without conservatism, does not serve as a check on socialism AT ALL. Not one bit. A Nationalist liberal like Trump isn't an improvement. ---------------------------------------------- Just dropping in, but lets not forget Bernie is also strongly nationalist. He, like Trump, is really focused on redeveloping buggy whip industries.

Posted by: MTF at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (/m8T6)

275 >> because as fucked up as Democrat ideals are, they are >> fucking disciplined. They are disciplined enough to run a confessed felon for President and PRAY, and it has to be the power of prayer, that nothing knocks her off that high-wire between now and then.

Posted by: JEM at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (o+SC1)

276 If you had told the Trump people just a year ago that Ted Cruz would be near the front of the pack, they'd be ecstatic. A real conservative! Someone who doesn't give a shit about being liked by the Establishment! A true Tea Party guy! The guy who tried to defund Obamacare! === Can't say I ever liked Cruz. I view him as a fraud, somebody who didn't stay bought on a few minor issues. He still does what the Party and globalist wankers want, then speaks opposite.

Posted by: Bigby's Talking Finger at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (3ZtZW)

277 The only thing baffling is that Governor Kasich, the only candidate left who fully embraces the Republican Party, is hardly getting any endorsements. That is indeed outrageous! Posted by: Begonia at April 29, 2016 02:50 PM (iV7G7) Heh. That self-pollination not working out for you?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (cZbjp)

278 The GOPe loves socialized medicine.  That way, they are in control of your personal records, and your very life.  As long as their name isn't on the legislation, and all they do is administer the program.

Congratulations, GOPe, you won.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (Qvgg/)

279 >>>Am I missing any rosy outcomes? BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Posted by: Khornate Berzerkers at April 29, 2016 10:16 AM (CMbMd)

280 Mr. Trump loves America, he fights, he is loyal. Three things real Americans love.

Posted by: nip at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (r73Jl)

281 "Today's Gender Ambiguous Cat is fabuloussss!"

I prefer Schrodinger's Breathing-Ambiguous Cat.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (iIzG7)

282 Lots of Mexican flags at the "peaceful protest.

my first 100 days...


1. End Obamacare, EPA, Education and that other department .

2. Carpet bomb ISIS headquarters

3. Invade Mexico make it the 51st state. Seize oilfields, Build condos.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (8ZHTC)

283 "The most irritating part of the pro-trumpers is they insist that the only way you can be against Trump is on aesthetics or some other dumb reason. Nope, some of us do not like his views. Period." ----- Maybe for you. What I find most irritating is that they actually believe that he's a conservative, and when they can no longer maintain that delusion (try as they might), they say that it doesn't matter because Burn It Down.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (aFa2V)

284 Supreme Court rejected an emergency request from some Latino group to block Texas Voter ID law.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (391wI)

285 Trump will be the R nominee. At this stage, if you don't want to see it, you're in denial. Even if he loses IN, and it looks like he'll win IN. Mexican Flag Riots in CA will only make it more likely that Trump will clean up in CA. 1,400 going into Cleveland looks more and more likely. Trump can beat Hillary. Or he could lose. But to insist that he can only lose is defeatism. Ace, it takes a big man to admit he's been wrong. Better to say so now than in November. The new Rasmussen poll has Trump and Hillary at 38% each, with 24% saying they'll stay home. This is consistent with the thesis I've advanced that Hillary v Trump will be a turnout battle over negatives, a race that Trump can win because of how the electoral map lays out, as Hillary's support will pile up in already Deep Blue States and Trump wins a few Purple Swing States that Romney lost. Trump can lose MA and MD by 30% and it won't matter, so long as he can win states that Romney lost like FL and OH. Between now and November there are likely to be developments adverse to Hillary, especially given that she's wed to Obama, including an official declaration of recession and terrorist attacks. Hillary is no Bill. Her instinct is to do things that will pile up votes in states that are already Deep Blue, but alienate voters elsewhere. Overplaying the Woman Card will do this. Being vocally anti-gun will too. She spent years in Arkansas and didn't learn a goddamn thing about half the people in this country. Trump is asymetrical OODA loop warfare. Hillary is the ultimate Maginot line. I can't wait.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (r1fLd)

286 I don't completely understand the Trump phenomena, but then I didn't understand Obama's. Two terms of it.

See how that works?

Posted by: Marcus T at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (O0lVq)

287 274 And...the "GOPe" argument continues... Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (Y3C5w) NO it doesn't. I recognize what the Republican party is and what it isn't. Apparently you and others don't recognize what the democratic party has warped into or choose to ignore it? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:14 PM (Ozsfq) If you vote for the R because you are afraid of the D, the gope owns you.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (mR7Es)

288 I love cat pee! It says, "Home."

Posted by: petunia at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (jVvcc)

289 "290 Mr. Trump loves America, he fights, he is loyal." -------- Loyal! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:17 AM (26zxJ)

290 Conservatives are proven failures. Keep jumping you might get those grapes.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:15 PM (mR7Es)

============================================



You don't hold to conservative principles, eman?  Or are you rather making a statement about the lack of success of conservatives in shaping policies?

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (dFi94)

291 Best case? Fine. Cruz goes to Trump and promises him support in exchange for SCOTUS.

Hillary strokes out before convention, Biden appointed by DNC to run in her stead.

BernieBots furious.

Trump beats Biden 53/47 or thereabouts as BernieBots stay home and black turnout is depressed.

Senate goes along with Cruz's bid for SCOTUS to get rid of Cruz.

Governor Abbot of Texas appoints some other hardcore reliable conservative to fill the seat.

And somehow we get through another eight years without major war/terrorism, economic collapse, or widespread political bloodshed on US soil. Though I don't like the odds of that last one. Too many glass balls being juggled.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (1aKWv)

292 Posted by: Mortimer at April 29, 2016 03:11 PM (8ZHTC) Some good memories there, that's for sure. Gonna watch BB a week from tonight. This will be the twins first movie ever. Hope it lives up to your hype.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Vote for me! Free Cookies!! Milk too if you vote twice. at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (WVsWD)

293 NO it doesn't. I recognize what the Republican party is and what it isn't. Apparently you and others don't recognize what the democratic party has warped into or choose to ignore it? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:14 PM (Ozsfq) A coalition of grievance and government clients that does not feel awe in wielding power? A mob that will riot if it doesn't get its way? People who don't understand the separation of powers and that we are not a democracy, for good reason? Yeah...not buying it.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (Y3C5w)

294 >>But Trump will be the nominee. Accept that. And you have said that more times than can be counted. And no, I don't have to accept shit. If Trump wants my vote he has to earn it. So far, he's not coming close.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (/tuJf)

295 242 I still believe Hillary will not be the nominee.

I believe that the FBI poobahs and Justice are praying she loses the nomination on her own (or maybe with just a tiny bit of help) and fades away.

I would not be surprised to find that they've already 'briefed' a few highly-placed superdelegates on the potential outcome of a Hillary nomination.

She may still get the black female vote, she might still win the Hispanic vote over Trump, but by the time we get to November everyone else will understand that she's the road to Venezuela.

Posted by: JEM at April 29, 2016 03:10 PM (o+SC1)

++++

I disagree about what the FBI poobahs and Justice Obama wants. Sanders is a loser. So, they need Hillary to win, then she gets knocked out by DOJ. At that point, the party can install whoever they want as the nominee. It won't be Sanders.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (R+30W)

296 believe that Trump would be an awful, terrible, not good president?

fixing the health care oligopoly,
closing the border,
or hell just telling Hillary "You're fired" right to her face on National TV
will make up for a lot of awful, terrible, not good

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (DL2i+)

297 "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!"

Milk for the Khorne flakes.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 10:18 AM (iIzG7)

298 "Trump is asymetrical OODA loop warfare." -------- You know when the first and last time I heard that the GOP candidate was doing an OODA thing? 2008. That worked out awesome.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:19 AM (26zxJ)

299 If you vote for the R because you are afraid of the D, the gope owns you. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (mR7Es) Yeah no. I vote against the D because I hate and despise them more than I hate any R running. Don't put words in my mouth that I am "afraid". what i am is a realist

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:19 AM (Ozsfq)

300 298 I love cat pee! It says, "Home."

Posted by: petunia at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (jVvcc)



heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:19 AM (FsuaD)

301 Maybe for you. What I find most irritating is that they actually believe that he's a conservative, and when they can no longer maintain that delusion (try as they might), they say that it doesn't matter because Burn It Down. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (aFa2V) Few if any Trump supporters think Trump is a Conservative.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:19 AM (mR7Es)

302 A coalition of grievance and government clients that does not feel awe in wielding power? A mob that will riot if it doesn't get its way? People who don't understand the separation of powers and that we are not a democracy, for good reason? Yeah...not buying it. Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 03:18 PM (Y3C5w) ??? Sounds like your describing the democrats and i don't get your point?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (Ozsfq)

303 And the Trump fans just can't accept that some of us are very familiar with Trump's record... The most irritating part of the pro-trumpers is they insist that the only way you can be against Trump is on aesthetics or some other dumb reason. Nope, some of us do not like his views. Period. Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 03:13 PM (/tuJf) So do you know exactly what he is because of his extensive record? Or is it that he's unqualified because he doesn't even know what his views are. That he doesn't write his speeches and doesn't know the first thing about government? Or is he a flip-flopper with no morals who's playing 11 dimensional chess and will say whatever it takes to gain power? Which one is it?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (xuouz)

304 I do not understand this fear that is displayed here at the very thought that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment will finally be President. Does the very notion of a woman thinking for herself scare all of you that much? It rather makes one wonder about the female role models in your lives. What a pity.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (mf5HN)

305 Trump is big on trade tarrifs. Let's ban foreigners buying American property. Sounds nationalist as hell. Trump would lose money though. Love to see him asked about that.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (UBBWX)

306 Perhaps we should all donate to Hillary to demonstrate what smart conservatives we are.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (tfM+W)

307 the commenter formerly known as flashoverride, we won't be coming to you looking for anything, you degenerate Internet Jihadist sociopath. banned

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:20 AM (dciA+)

308 309 If you vote for the R because you are afraid of the D, the gope owns you. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (mR7Es) Yeah no. I vote against the D because I hate and despise them more than I hate any R running. Don't put words in my mouth that I am "afraid". what i am is a realist Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:19 PM (Ozsfq) Call yourself whatever you like. The fact remains the gope can shove any clown they want in front of you and you will vote for it.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:21 AM (mR7Es)

309 Sorry I forgot about the 3rd Gorilla in the room, the economy.  Whomever wins will get sworn in at about the same time the economy goes into another recession that the Fed has nothing left to combat  so they will be only a one and done President. 

Double Secret Negative Interest Rates followed by QE Infinity anyone?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at April 29, 2016 10:21 AM (iONHu)

310 Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (UBBWX) So again I ask whom will you vote for in November? I already know who you don't like, so no need to keep repeating it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:21 AM (Ozsfq)

311 Also, I don't like a guy who promises to release his tax returns, and then reneges. Untrustworthy.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:21 AM (UBBWX)

312 >>>5 I do not understand this fear that is displayed here at the very thought that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment will finally be President. Caitlyn Jenner's running?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:21 AM (dciA+)

313 Few if any Trump supporters think Trump is a Conservative. Posted by: eman -------- You and Ghost of Kari need to have a talk.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (A6sW3)

314 OT sort of. Since Obama has been President 3 new liquor stores have opened within a mile from my house. Which now gives me 5 choices within a mile. So it appears Obama has been good for more than just selling guns.

I wonder how many choices I will have 8 years from now?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (tf9Ne)

315 Democrats, like all good statists, are fucking disciplined. Posted by: flashoverride at April 29, 2016 03:19 PM (m+O2C) Is it discipline or simply non thought? Like sheep, they like having someone else telling them how to run their life, taking control of it so they don't have to make the hard decisions? And because we have it very good here, compared to other countries that have gone full socialist through the years, they have no incentive to think otherwise.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (391wI)

316 Is Reactionary Monster here? Chemjeff is trying to get the last word in on the Trump Riots Mexican Flags Are Great thread.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (jVvcc)

317 Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (dciA+) Thank you.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (hTqVx)

318 banned *clappy hands*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (1xUj/)

319 ??? Sounds like your describing the democrats and i don't get your point? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (Ozsfq) Yeah, sure does sound like I'm describing Democrats.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:22 AM (Y3C5w)

320 Gonna watch BB a week from tonight. This will be the twins first movie ever. Hope it lives up to your hype.


Oh thanks so much! No pressure or anything!  :\

Seriously ,  you will like it. Dated but holds up quite well.

How old are the twins?

There are no f-bombs but there may be a sh*t and a couple of damns.


Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (8ZHTC)

321 well, then both factions might "win". I will vote for the eventual nominee whoever that is because I care about having even the smallest chance of filling that Supreme Court seat and protecting the 2nd Amendment. My strong preference is that we pick Cruz. Until and unless someone else gets to 1,237, I'm in favor of fighting to the bitter end. I hope in the end no matter who gets the nomination, we can put aside our differences and get out and vote. If you can't vote for the ultimate nominee for whatever reason, then please at least vote for the Republicans down ballot. We have to try to salvage as many seats as possible to have a prayer of averting/slowing down bad legislation and a kernel of the party to rebuild around. The idea of "burning it all down" is short-sighted. Forfeiting the field to the Dems for the next umpteen years doesn't really make sense. The place to settle our scores with the various factions starts with the 2018 primary season. If this election ends as badly as I fear it might, I'm personally going to be marking up a list for everyone that I think contributed to it either by action or inaction. Such folks will get no support from me AFTER 2016.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (UYQcx)

322 Also, I don't like a guy who promises to release his tax returns, and then reneges. Untrustworthy. Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX) What release date did Trump give that he has reneged on?

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (391wI)

323 So is this GOP convention where Trump is about to speak in SF??

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (iQIUe)

324 Begonia is still Average Joe - fellatalist by choice not stamp.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (DL2i+)

325 Call yourself whatever you like. The fact remains the gope can shove any clown they want in front of you and you will vote for it. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (mR7Es) I don't have the luxury of living in fantasy land or casting a protest vote by cutting off my nose to spite my face. I will be voting against the socialistic democratic party. Simple as that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (Ozsfq)

326 Are RINO Tea Party--does the Tea Party--really party? Will there be cucumber sandwiches--that's what I really want to know?!

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (mcm0N)

327 If you vote for the R because you are afraid of the D, the gope owns you.
Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (mR7Es)

--

That is the very nature of a two party system.  The    whole, disgusting point of politics is to     win based on being the least worst option   to vote for.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (Qvgg/)

328 "Or is he a flip-flopper with no morals who's playing 11 dimensional chess and will say whatever it takes to gain power? Which one is it?" -------- No one who isn't on the Trump Train thinks that he's some sort of master strategist. Flip-flopper with no morals? Oh yeah. He's that.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (26zxJ)

329 I do not understand this fear that is displayed here at the very thought that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment will finally be President. Does the very notion of a woman thinking for herself scare all of you that much?

It rather makes one wonder about the female role models in your lives. What a pity.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN)

=================================================



I love strong independent women of intelligience.  I am one.  What I do not like is a woman who only came to be in her current position because she rode the coattails of her husband.  I also like women not to be felonious.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (dFi94)

330 "So again I ask whom will you vote for in November? I already know who you don't like, so no need to keep repeating it" I'm voting for Cruz. November is a long way off. Maybe Trump can convince me.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (UBBWX)

331 >>>Or is it that he's unqualified because he doesn't even know what his views are. That he doesn't write his speeches and doesn't know the first thing about government? Or is he a flip-flopper with no morals who's playing 11 dimensional chess and will say whatever it takes to gain power? Which one is it? ... i like how ghost of kari is pretending that being unscrupulous, immoral, dishonest *and also* being ignorant of policy is somehow an impossible contradiction. Like we're being silly saying Trump is both dishonest and ignorant -- it's unpossible that anyone could be both, and you h8rs claiming otherwise are being illogical! But Religions inherently have some illogic to them, I find.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:23 AM (dciA+)

332 What I find most irritating is that they actually believe that he's a conservative, and when they can no longer maintain that delusion (try as they might), they say that it doesn't matter because Burn It Down . Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:17 PM (aFa2V) Nice strawman you got burning there. You could roast marshmallows on that thing. I'm for Cruz or Trump. Both will serve my purposes either way. Not that anyone will remember but I said way back in September that I didn't expect Trump to do much of what I'd want, but I know with him I'll get border security. That's one thing that I believe of the 3-5 things that are most important in this election. I would've like Ted to make the sale, but the simple fact is that he did not make the sale. Most people I've talked to who support Trump think very much the same way. But, hey, burn that strawman - maybe you can cook some S'mores.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (0cMkb)

333 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/) Nope. In every case, conservatism as a political movement is dead.

Posted by: Don & John at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (hdpay)

334 315 I do not understand this fear that is displayed here at the very thought that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment will finally be President. Does the very notion of a woman thinking for herself scare all of you that much?

It rather makes one wonder about the female role models in your lives. What a pity.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN)



If you're not a sock, you're one of the more retarded trolls.  My mother was a strong, independent woman, who wasn't a lying criminal and didn't support aborting a baby up until it was ready to leave the womb.  And she would have beat my dad's ass and kicked him out of the house if he had cheated on her ONE time.  So your point is?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (FsuaD)

335 I disagree about what the FBI poobahs and Justice Obama wants. Sanders is a loser. So, they need Hillary to win, then she gets knocked out by DOJ. At that point, the party can install whoever they want as the nominee. It won't be Sanders. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 03:18 PM (R+30W) If Sanders stays in though that's going to cause a shitstorm with his supporters. They are not going to jump ship to Choo Choo Biden. They'll see it as a rigged deal just as if the GOP tries to pull some tricks on Trump. I think the only hope the Dems would have in a Hillary goes down scenario is to install Elizabeth Warren. In that scenario they may manage to keep enough Sanders voters in the game.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (4ErVI)

336 Caitlyn Jenner's running? Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (dciA+) I would presume that you would support Ms. Jenner's candidacy as she, for reasons that I do not comprehend, continues to support a party which denies her right to exist. But, you see, since I support a party that is truly tolerant, I accept her right to run as a Republican, should she so choose. I doubt many here would do the same.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (mf5HN)

337 What release date did Trump give that he has reneged on? Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (391wI) Bravo! Very Clintonian!

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (tfM+W)

338 I doubt NGU would vote for Jeb Bush. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (T0BVJ) Well even thought I support Cruz, I have to thank trump for dispatching Jeb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (Ozsfq)

339 300 Conservatives are proven failures. Keep jumping you might get those grapes. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:15 PM (mR7Es) ============================================ You don't hold to conservative principles, eman? Or are you rather making a statement about the lack of success of conservatives in shaping policies? Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 03:18 PM (dFi94) Lack of success. I am an odd thing, I guess. A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (mR7Es)

340 Trump has already taken certain positions which will help him in the general, some defensively. Saying you'll shut down PP entirely will draw War on Womyn. Saying you'll repeal ObamaCare without saying that you won't let people die in the streets, is only asking for the Left to say that you'll let people die in the streets. Saying you're going to tinker with SocSec (which is politically a non-starter right now) is just asking for the same beating Ryan got from Biden. Just win, baby! Your classic conservatism doesn't work for a Presidential candidate right now.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 10:24 AM (r1fLd)

341 Well, wit, singular. The two of them together equal one wit.

No way JoeB counts for 1/2, nit or fuck maybe.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (DL2i+)

342 Start taking names. For example: Pence, Rand Paul, Newt, Scott Brown, Christie, Peter King etc. These guys want Trump. When Trump gets hammered in the general, its on them. They are not conservatives. They are swines...big fat pigs at the trough. They must be destroyed. It is time for as new party. Pence was the tipping point.

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (phzv/)

343 >>So do you know exactly what he is because of his extensive record? >>Or is it that he's unqualified because he doesn't even know what his views are. That he doesn't write his speeches and doesn't know the first thing about government? >>Or is he a flip-flopper with no morals who's playing 11 dimensional chess and will say whatever it takes to gain power? >>Which one is it? All of the above. Why don't you try making an actual case for Trump that isn't he sucks less than Hillary. You never do that, just trot out your silly aesthetics slam for anyone who doesn't like Trump. Try using some facts. It would be refreshing since Trump never does.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (/tuJf)

344 I'm not so sure the death of the GOP would be the worst thing in the world. When the Whigs died, the Republicans were able to organize in time for the next election, and that was back in the 1850's. It would be easy to organize a new party in the digital age. The problem is that it's not going to die quickly - it'll go through 20 years or so of death throes during which we're nominally an opposition party but we lose every national election.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (kumBu)

345 No criminal charges for US crew that bombed Afghan hospital http://goo.gl/qZwU3i =================== Nor, shd there be. They only fire on what they were told to fire. And the hospital was treating fighters - not civilians.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (iQIUe)

346 78 An election where The Burning Times are the inevitable outcome? I guess I'm voting Ammunition/Precious Metals this year. Posted by: V the K at April 29, 2016 02:45 PM (O7MnT) *checks for bumper sticker on Zazzle*

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (zoehZ)

347 "So again I ask whom will you vote for in November? I already know who you don't like, so no need to keep repeating it" I'm voting for Cruz. November is a long way off. Maybe Trump can convince me. Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (UBBWX) OK, I can't argue with that. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:25 AM (Ozsfq)

348 You and Ghost of Kari need to have a talk. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:22 PM (A6sW3) Please give even one example. I think that he gives us the best overlap between his goals and the conservative goals of border security, greater economic freedom, a strong military to deal with all the threats currently gathering strength, and pushback against the left and its brownshirt hordes and speech policing. He's clearly not a conservative. That's why he's winning. The Republican/conservative brand is more toxic than fundamentalist islam to the general US population. Maybe it's time for us to try something different instead of sighing and weeping over how unjustly we've been treated by the left.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (xuouz)

349 Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone. Oh, and here I thought GOP leadership was just doin' its darnedest all this time. Golly gee, sorry for getting my dander up.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (F6RKd)

350 Cupcakes--I will do almost anything for a tasty cake. Me and Christie.

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (mcm0N)

351 >>>But, you see, since I support a party that is truly tolerant, I accept her right to run as a Republican, should she so choose. I doubt many here would do the same. Interesting thoughts. On which Fat Acceptance Tumblr and/or Etsy Account Ethical Mission Statement can I read more?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (dciA+)

352 "You know when the first and last time I heard that the GOP candidate was doing an OODA thing? 2008. That worked out awesome." Except Trump's been doing it. Jeb! was supposed to be inevitable. Rubio was the one that Bill Clinton feared.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (r1fLd)

353 Is Reactionary Monster here? Chemjeff is trying to get the last word in on the Trump Riots Mexican Flags Are Great thread. Posted by: andycanuck Threaten him with making him have to read his own crap. or send harun back. That'll be popular.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (326rv)

354 Oh Lordy, now we have people saying Trump never promised to release his taxes: http://tinyurl.com/zl4zr7m

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:26 AM (UBBWX)

355 Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:20 PM (mf5HN) Multiplying like rabbits, these trolls.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (hTqVx)

356 but I know with him I'll get border security. That's one thing that I believe of the 3-5 things that are most important in this election. Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (0cMkb) ---------- Another rube self-identifies. What do you think Trump told the New York Times about immigration? Why can't we hear what he said off-the-record? Why did we get a wink from the Times that indicated that he plans to be much more moderate? Why won't he put the immigration portion of that meeting on-the-record? You're not getting a wall. You're not getting a Muslim ban. Never ever. Not with Trump. He's lying to you.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (A6sW3)

357 i like how ghost of kari is pretending that being unscrupulous, immoral, dishonest *and also* being ignorant of policy is somehow an impossible contradiction. I'm pretty sick of this sort of question begging: "pretending that" "why don't you just admit"

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (uURQL)

358 361 >>>But, you see, since I support a party that is truly tolerant, I accept her right to run as a Republican, should she so choose. I doubt many here would do the same.

Interesting thoughts. On which Fat Acceptance Tumblr and/or Etsy Account Ethical Mission Statement can I read more?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:26 PM (dciA+)



*snerk*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (FsuaD)

359 Caitlyn Jenner's running? Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 S/he would but s/he can't make up xer mind as what.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (Nwg0u)

360 Lack of success. I am an odd thing, I guess.
A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical.
Posted by: eman



Not that odd. There are at least two of us.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:27 AM (8ZHTC)

361 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (FsuaD) ============= Sock! Fool you once, shame on sock. Fool you twice, same on Jane!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (iQIUe)

362 No criminal charges for US crew that bombed Afghan hospital http://goo.gl/qZwU3i =================== Nor, shd there be. They only fire on what they were told to fire. And the hospital was treating fighters - not civilians. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 03:25 PM (iQIUe) The fact that some assholes in the Pentagon actually considered that is fuckin ridiculous . Hey I wonder if the Soviets are investing their military for killing 50+ the other day when they bombed that Hospital in Syria. LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (Ozsfq)

363 334 Call yourself whatever you like. The fact remains the gope can shove any clown they want in front of you and you will vote for it. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (mR7Es) I don't have the luxury of living in fantasy land or casting a protest vote by cutting off my nose to spite my face. I will be voting against the socialistic democratic party. Simple as that. Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (Ozsfq) Nothing can be fixed unless the cycle is broken. Voting based on what repels you the least is what got us to where we are today.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (mR7Es)

364 OK, sorry, they merely asked when he did so. Trump already said he would release them. Now, he says he "can't." Draw your own conclusions. p.s. No, there is no rule that you can't release your taxes while under audit. Don't make excuses for him.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (UBBWX)

365 >>>357 We're all strong self-made independent women, here. ... I'm a strong self-made independent woman and so's my penis

Posted by: HRC4Ever_69 at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (dciA+)

366 100 Trumpsters. Trumpeteers. Trumpkins. So dumb. Remember these cutesie names after election day when you're a subject of Hillary Clinton. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 02:48 PM (T0BVJ) ------------------- I keep seeing a lot of comments like this one. It's as if somewhere deep inside the delusion is slipping and the landslide loss to Hillary is dimly feared. Now we must find someone to blame! Let's not blame the people who insisted Trump would win PA!!! FL!!!! NY!!!! Oh, no! Let's blame the people who said that, with the possible exception of HEB!!!, he was the worst possible candidate the GOP could field.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (T/5A0)

367 I am an odd thing, I guess.

A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical.

Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (mR7Es)

=======================================



I can see how that might be a good fit.  I like it.  I wonder if that's what I am as well.  You've given me something to think about.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (dFi94)

368 If you're not a sock, you're one of the more retarded trolls. My mother was a strong, independent woman, who wasn't a lying criminal and didn't support aborting a baby up until it was ready to leave the womb. And she would have beat my dad's ass and kicked him out of the house if he had cheated on her ONE time. So your point is? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (FsuaD) I do not believe true strength lies in mocking the intellectually challenged nor in advocating for domestic violence.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (mf5HN)

369 conservatism as a political movement is dead. Not dead. Waiting for something. Next life maybe. That's the way these things go sometimes.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2016 10:28 AM (pi5El)

370 Is Reactionary Monster here? Chemjeff is trying to get the last word in on the Trump Riots Mexican Flags Are Great thread. Posted by: andycanuck Here! I stay on top of that entertainment. Is this what raising kids is like?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (uURQL)

371 "Not that odd. There are at least two of us."

Three.  Plus I got told yesterday I'm an anarchist.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (iIzG7)

372 >>>I'm pretty sick of this sort of question begging: then stop saying stupid fucking things, Champ

Posted by: HRC4Ever_69 at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (dciA+)

373 242 I still believe Hillary will not be the nominee. Don't you think that Obama will continue to yawn at Hillary's crimes?

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (UwQ7q)

374 =============
Sock!

Fool you once, shame on sock. Fool you twice, same on Jane!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 03:28 PM (iQIUe)



Dammit.  You fooled ace, too ya know.  And he is sleep-deprived. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (FsuaD)

375 "What's the point in trashing Trump?" Trump likes to trash people. Talk to him about being more polite. If your only goal is electability, then your just GOPe with a nice coat of Trumpism added.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 10:29 AM (UBBWX)

376 Lack of success. I am an odd thing, I guess. A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical. Posted by: eman Not that odd. There are at least two of us. *fistbump* Posted by: Mortimer at April 29, 2016 03:27 PM (8ZHTC) Radical Conservative. That's got something to it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (uURQL)

377 Am I missing any rosy outcomes? --- he picks an actual conservative as VP and dies in a tragic manscaping accident?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (oGRue)

378 that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment
will finally be President.

Name one. I'll wait.

Posted by: tu3031 at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (YFFpo)

379 A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical. Splitter! -- Libertarian/Radical/Conservative

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (1xUj/)

380 345 Caitlyn Jenner's running?
Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (dciA+)


I would presume that you would support Ms. Jenner's candidacy as she, for reasons that I do not comprehend, continues to support a party which denies her right to exist.

But, you see, since I support a party that is truly tolerant, I accept her right to run as a Republican, should she so choose. I doubt many here would do the same.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN)

++++

The party does not deny Jenner's right to exist. They just refuse to pretend along with him that he[/b is a woman. He is not. He is a man. He has the right to pretend all he wants, but he does not have the right to make the rest of us pretend along with him.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (R+30W)

381 Interesting thoughts. On which Fat Acceptance Tumblr and/or Etsy Account Ethical Mission Statement can I read more?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:26 PM (dciA+)

===========================================



Try Pintrest.  They've got  everything.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (dFi94)

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (R+30W)

383 Wait...what?  Sock or not?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:30 AM (FsuaD)

384 SMOD. Soon.

Posted by: Valiant at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (3MiF8)

385 Nothing can be fixed unless the cycle is broken. Voting based on what repels you the least is what got us to where we are today. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:28 PM (mR7Es) I don't think we are that far apart, aside from the fact that I don't think we can survive another 4 years and possibly 2-3 more Supreme Court Democratic appointments. There will be no Country left.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (Ozsfq)

386 The future of conservatism lies in those stalwart souls at National Review. They're standing athwart a cocktail table yelling, "I ordered a gin and tonic!"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (4ErVI)

387 391 A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical. Splitter! -- Libertarian/Radical/Conservative Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:30 PM (1xUj/) True Liberal, here.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (Y3C5w)

388 Interesting thoughts. On which Fat Acceptance Tumblr and/or Etsy Account Ethical Mission Statement can I read more? Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:26 PM (dciA+) I am certain I have no idea to what you are referring but I see no reason to shame those who are Adiposally Gifted. Nor are Ethical Mission Statements a terrible thing. Do you not believe in ethics?

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (mf5HN)

389 Also, I don't like a guy who promises to release his tax returns, and then reneges. Untrustworthy. Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX) So don't vote for him. I doubt anyone cares. And I don't really get this thing with tax returns. I don't think I have ever looked at any of the "released" returns nor cared about them. Why is this such a big thing with some people? What is it that you think you're going to see, or that you want to see? Have you ever actually looked at any of the candidates released returns? Seriously? What are you really looking for, the total of taxable income, the amount paid in feral taxes or the amount claimed for charitable deductions? I don't know why either of these would be important for any voter or of any great interest. This whole tax return issue tends to be nothing but a bunch of bullshit that started a while ago for no good reason. Even when some lefty shows on his taxes that he paid nearly nothing or took no charitable deductions off it doesn't make one bit of difference. And the charitable deductions thing is a load of crap, often, too, as lefty charities are nothing but bullshit lefty political tools. Lighten up on the tax return bullshit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 10:31 AM (zc3Db)

390 366 You're not getting a wall. You're not getting a Muslim ban. Never ever. Not with Trump. He's lying to you. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:27 PM (A6sW3) I'm sure as hell not going to get those things from anyone else.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (zoehZ)

391 In other news, Caitlyn Jenner used the women's room in Trump Tower.

So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (FsuaD)

392 The Left has been kicking Conservative ass for at least 75 years . (Reagan years excepted)



Would I like to swing the pendulum 100% to the right ? Would I be excited if in a single election the Overton Window was moved all the way to the right? Absolutely.


There's your wishcasting.


The Left plays the long game of incrementalism. The Right seems to want to refuse to do so.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (8ZHTC)

393 I do not believe true strength lies in mocking the intellectually challenged nor in advocating for domestic violence. Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:28 PM (mf5HN) ============= The other day I watched this show on Florida and they had this big motherfuggin spider. It was YUGE!! If that fell on you, it would leave a bruise. And a spider bite. A big chunk of a spider bite. Filled with poison....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (iQIUe)

394 398 The future of conservatism lies in those stalwart souls at National Review. They're standing athwart a cocktail table yelling, "I ordered a gin and tonic!" Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 29, 2016 03:31 PM (4ErVI) OK. I kind of laughed at that one.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (Y3C5w)

395 387 Lack of success. I am an odd thing, I guess. A Conservative/Libertarian/Radical. Posted by: eman Not that odd. There are at least two of us. *fistbump* Posted by: Mortimer at April 29, 2016 03:27 PM (8ZHTC) Radical Conservative. That's got something to it. Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 03:30 PM (uURQL) *********** So you guys are the Kamikaze Wing RINOs? Close that sale! I LIKE IT!!!

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (mcm0N)

396 You should really read Scott Adams (guy who writes Dilbert). His analysis of the Trump phenomena has been right from the beginning, and for better or worse (I suspect better than many predict) Trump is very likely to win.

Posted by: Benko at April 29, 2016 10:32 AM (5FKUO)

397 There are no f-bombs but there may be a sh*t and a couple of damns. Posted by: Mortimer at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (8ZHTC) The Twins are 5 but have some good supervision. My Wife.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Vote for me! Free Cookies!! Milk too if you vote twice. at April 29, 2016 10:33 AM (WVsWD)

398 Which candidate did you work hard for to get the nomination? This is what you get. Donald Trump. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 03:30 PM (T0BVJ) Gotta be honest, it wasn't really that hard. If you twerps could put up any kind of resistance we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 29, 2016 10:33 AM (F6RKd)

399 I would have supported a Cruz ticket and I will support a Trump ticket.

I get to vote for both.  Sure beats playing in traffic on the walk home after voting Jeb!

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:33 AM (DL2i+)

400 11 So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come.

Herewith I plagiarize myself. This came up in a mail group today.

1) Trump gets 1237 and the party denies him: People riot, the establishment candidate goes down in flames, the GOP is toast for a generation.

2) Tump gets a plurality shy of 1237 and the party denies him: Trump throws a hissy fit, rips the party apart, the nominee becomes roadside carrion, the GOP is fucked for a generation.

3) Trump gets the nomination: the party pisses on his and each other's legs struggling with the price of blocking Hillary. Hillary wins and the GOP gives itself New Mexico cavity searches for a generation.

4) Trump is the nominee and beats Hillary: President Trump governs as a Trumpianist, bearing no relation to party or conservative ideas, and the party is meaningless for a generation.

Am I missing any rosy outcomes?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (1xUj/)


Yeah


5) Trump is nominee and beats hillary.  China or russia does something stupid, and trump goes off on them.  They do something ever more stupid, and trump then looses it, because thats who he is.  Shooty shooty war starts and because of the stupidity of the people involved, including our commander in chief who doesn't know what the nuclear triad and his great foreign service team with the Model UN on his resume says or does something really stupid and nuclear war and WWIII start.

Posted by: JeffreyL at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (mXv3y)

401 Did his wife make him do this?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (oGE0z)

402 =============
The other day I watched this show on Florida and they had this big motherfuggin spider. It was YUGE!! If that fell on you, it would leave a bruise. And a spider bite. A big chunk of a spider bite. Filled with poison....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 03:32 PM (iQIUe)



Jeebus.  It's AtC, isn't it?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (FsuaD)

403 I'm sure as hell not going to get those things from anyone else. Posted by: rickl ------------ So your choice is: (1) No wall, and a liberal RINO (Trump) or (2) No wall, and conservative (Cruz). And you're going with #1. Madness.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (26zxJ)

404 "May have been on the losing side; still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Folks like me have been saying that since the War of Northern Aggression.  I'm not going to be ashamed to be saying it after November, if it comes to that.

Posted by: Qoheleth at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (iIzG7)

405 Oh Lordy, now we have people saying Trump never promised to release his taxes: http://tinyurl.com/zl4zr7m Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:26 PM (UBBWX) Harun, Trump said he would release his tax returns when his lawyers feel it's appropriate. He is under audit , for past years, and is negotiating with the IRS regarding the returns. I realize you probably don't understand any of this, but this is rationale and legally advisable for Trump. I don't have an issue with it, particularly when there is no law, requirement, etc. that presidential candidates release their tax returns.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (391wI)

406 I understand some of the female Trump prostesters are doing their protesting toplessly. This could be a good thing.

Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (6xtq3)

407 Look at the bright side, the country is burning!

Posted by: DrewM tips at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (ywZNz)

408 Lighten up on the tax return bullshit. --- if he'd phrase it that way, i could respect it. But if you're going to do a thing, be a man, and do it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 10:34 AM (oGRue)

409 >>What I do not like is a woman who only came to be in her current position because she rode the coattails of her husband. Well, I wasn't gonna ride anything else of his.

Posted by: Hillary at April 29, 2016 10:35 AM (c7vUv)

410 I keep seeing a lot of comments like this one. It's as if somewhere deep inside the delusion is slipping and the landslide loss to Hillary is dimly feared. Now we must find someone to blame! ... I know...how about we blame the #nevertrump/#alwayshillarysters.

Posted by: ajmojo at April 29, 2016 10:35 AM (1H9ox)

411 The other day I watched this show on Florida and they had this big motherfuggin spider. It was YUGE!! If that fell on you, it would leave a bruise. And a spider bite. A big chunk of a spider bite. Filled with poison.... Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 03:32 PM (iQIUe) What a randomly cruel and vicious thing to say, the saying of which to me is a mystery that I cannot parse. Oh why, why oh why, would you mentions spiders to me for no reason at all.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:35 AM (mf5HN)

412 396 SMOD. Soon. Posted by: Valiant at April 29, 2016 03:31 PM (3MiF ========= It already came a few days ago . Hit SoCal. Big green fireball. Even Meatball didnt notice tho it was in his backyard...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:35 AM (iQIUe)

413 420 I understand some of the female Trump prostesters are doing their protesting toplessly. This could be a good thing. Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (6xtq3) Sweetie, have you seen some of the anti Trump females? We would need Abu Hajaar and his rockets for people.

Posted by: Moki at April 29, 2016 10:35 AM (ezHMO)

414 Lighten up on the tax return bullshit. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 03:31 PM (zc3Db) Try that line on the IRS. Pro Tip: It is BECAUSE the IRS does not lighten up on tax return bullshit, that tax returns of candidates matter. Believe it or not, without the threat of perjury and jail time, some people will say everything is YUGE and THE BEST when maybe they aren't.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (tfM+W)

415 Look --just between us--first move Hillary makes is to take your guns. But don't be afraid of that!

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (mcm0N)

416 Both want the other destroyed completely so that they might rule alone. It will end in tears. And Hillary. But mostly Hillary. And also, tears. Best to accept that it's all over for America...

Posted by: The Not-So-Optimistic Hat at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (vBeA5)

417 *tempts AtC to remove the sock, with a delicious orange creamsicle shake*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (FsuaD)

418 The other day I watched this show on Florida and they had this big motherfuggin spider. It was YUGE!! If that fell on you, it would leave a bruise. And a spider bite. A big chunk of a spider bite. Filled with poison.... Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 03:32 PM (iQIUe) Jeebus. It's AtC, isn't it? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD) AtC is a giant spider? But .. wha ... bha ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (uURQL)

419 BE MEN!!

Posted by: Biden Is In The Ball Pit at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (mcm0N)

420 >>>Well, I'd argue it'd be useful to teach you folk SOME sort of reason, instead of the furious anger and racial grievances you seem to be clutching dearly to this election cycle Vyce, Why don't you take a month off? I'm tired of your bullshit, cunt.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:36 AM (dciA+)

421 Anyone change their mind yet? I'm still willing to be a write in.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Vote for me! Free Cookies!! Free Milk!! Pixie Sticks FTW!!! at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (WVsWD)

422 You want Lord Humungus You'll take Wez You'll get Abu Hajaar

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (WV7Tr)

423 eh fuckit i'm banning vyce

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (dciA+)

424 i wonder what people plan to find in an income tax of an individual audited by the IRS every year ?  secret panamenian account that irs somehow missed ? or scandalous alimony for 20 illegitimate children ?

Posted by: runner at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (c6/9Q)

425 That what you have? Tax returns? Romney never released his either. He did release some kind of summaries, but not the returns themselves.

Disagree? Please provide a link where I can go peruse the returns themselves.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (R+30W)

426 I've already learned my lesson. Whichever side thinks that it's winning, we end up with a damyankee leftist as the nominee. Why vote?

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (4ueYo)

427 Jeebus. It's AtC, isn't it? Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD) I'm certain I have no idea what you mean. Lemon bar? Dear ace: Please don't ban me.

Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (mf5HN)

428 431-did you get the stuff to make one yesterday? If so, how did that turn out. May need to make some for the family later...

Posted by: Moki at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (ezHMO)

429 I coulda been a contender.

Posted by: The Formerly Serious Candidate known as Jeb! at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (OF/aZ)

430 I understand some of the female Trump prostesters are doing their protesting toplessly. This could be a good thing. Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (6xtq3) Sweetie, have you seen some of the anti Trump females? We would need Abu Hajaar and his rockets for people. Posted by: Moki at April 29, 2016 03:35 PM (ezHMO) One word. Trigglypuff. *curls into fetal position, crying softly*

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (uURQL)

431 427 I'm mostly referring to the nekedness trend, not individual displays of breasticles.

Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2016 10:37 AM (6xtq3)

432 So what is the difference between "prosperity and plenty" and "Hope and Change".

We got "hopeless change," so I suspect this time we will get "plenty of prospects."

Bernie has been pitching that communism is always "just over the horizon"
(I guess the modern version is that it's "just around the Verizon").

I see no plan, merely that we will thump our chests and temporarily feel good about ourselves.

Posted by: undocumented CIA hooker at April 29, 2016 10:38 AM (e8kgV)

433 i've decided my right to be free of Vyce trumps vyce's right to free speech. I've created a #SafeSpace which does not include Vyce

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:38 AM (dciA+)

434 Lighten up on the tax return bullshit. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 03:31 PM (zc3Db) I want to eliminate the federal income tax. I could care less what is on the returns. One of my favorite stories is about Ernie Kovacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Kovacs#Tax_evasion A frequent critic of the U.S. tax system, Kovacs owed the Internal Revenue Service several hundred thousand dollars back taxes, due to his simple refusal to pay the bulk of them. Up to 90% of his earnings were garnished as a result.[141] His long battles with the IRS inspired Kovacs to invest his money in a convoluted series of paper corporations in the U.S. and Canada. He would give them bizarre names, such as "The Bazooka Dooka Hicka Hocka Hookah Company".

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 29, 2016 10:38 AM (F6RKd)

435 Immonna go out on a limb here and guess that the majority of the topless wimmin protestors have pit hair. 

Just a guess, of course.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (FsuaD)

436 >>>I'm certain I have no idea what you mean. Lemon bar? Dear ace: Please don't ban me. Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:37 PM (mf5HN ... yeah i detected I was being pranked with the "adiposally gifted" line the only thing i'm upset about was that my Sick Burn was wasted on a prankster

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (dciA+)

437 *tempts AtC to remove the sock, with a delicious orange creamsicle shake* Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:36 PM (FsuaD) I would say that's mean but now I have a delicious orange creamsicle shake so I WIN BITCHES! *does Victory Dance of Victory* Dear ace: Seriously, please don't ban me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (mf5HN)

438 You should really read Scott Adams (guy who writes Dilbert). Good god. This is only the 400th "if you only read Dilbert you'd be a Trump supporter" post. Guy made some good points about the appeal of Trump. Anyone can point at his appeal. You Scott Adams people act as if the rest of us would be enlightened if we'd only read the right article, which we have. Please try original arguments and not appeals to authority.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (1xUj/)

439 >>>My guess: Rubio and Kasich. Now wouldn't that be wonderful. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 03:37 PM (T0BVJ)>>> Kasich is a cockroach. He'd be left "standing" (with his handful of delegates) under any scenario.

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (4ueYo)

440 I do not understand this fear that is displayed here at the very thought that a strong, self-made, independent woman of great accomplishment will finally be President. Caitlyn Jenner's running? Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (dciA+) Heh. I think there are some "renovations" left unfinished, yet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 10:39 AM (cZbjp)

441 Especially if he has to throw a bone to the right and put someone at least as far to the right as Kennedy on the SC.

Makes a deal after the 1st round and vows to nominate Cruz.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:40 AM (DL2i+)

442 I feel pretty! Oh so pretty! I feel pretty and kitty and GAY!!!!!!!!! ~~ Gender Ambiguous Cat

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (iQIUe)

443 yeah i detected I was being pranked with the "adiposally gifted" line the only thing i'm upset about was that my Sick Burn was wasted on a prankster Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:39 PM (dciA+) That was a great Sick Burn. Also I'm kinda proud of Adiposally Gifted.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (mf5HN)

444 You guys should read the guy who writes Funky Winkerbean. he's got a great take on Trump, "The Master Seduction Artist."

Posted by: Guy Who Liked Scott Dilbert So Much He Went Looking for Other Comic Strip Analysis at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (dciA+)

445 Few if any Trump supporters think Trump is a Conservative. Posted by: eman at April 29, 2016 03:19 PM (mR7Es) They don't care. They are beyond being concerned about conservativism as an ideology. They are concerned about survival of the national identity. First: Preserve the nation. Second: Conservative ideology. This has been obvious since last year when Trump was the first to speak up about stopping the flood of illegals coming over the border. That's what sent him right up to the top of the list, not how many gold stars he got from National Review and the other arbiters of Official Conservative Lifestyle. Rude, brash, loud, garish vulgar - heck to the yes he is! But what electrified his supporters was him pointing out that the US government ought to be more concerned about the welfare of its citizens and not the welfare of foreigners. Call that nationalism; call it patriotism, call it a cab - but ignore it at your peril because it is a powerful force, far more powerful than shrieking leftism and way, way more powerful than the diluted tea that Official Conservative Lifestyle offers.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (hLRSq)

446 bruce jenner doesn't flush tampons thanks so much for that info media people

Posted by: nckate at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (/ygaY)

447 AtC, I made a delicious orange creamsicle shake for my "lunch" today.

Breyer's orange creamsicle ice cream + 2% milk (so "lo-cal" -- not).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (FsuaD)

448 hey let's not forget the great series coming up Yankees vs Red Sox where they fight for the basement!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (Ozsfq)

449 You Scott Adams people act as if the rest of us would be enlightened if we'd only read the right article, which we have. Please try original arguments and not appeals to authority. Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:39 PM (1xUj/) Step 1 is to make better predictions than Scott Adams. If you can't, then why should we give your position equal weight?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:41 AM (uURQL)

450 I am sure Fredo will get right on after the back 9 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:40 PM (Ozsfq) NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CHEMFREDO PHONE!

Posted by: CHEMFREDO PHONE at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (F6RKd)

451 And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go to?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself
My God!...What have I done?!

Posted by: Thomas Crapper at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (e8kgV)

452 "Best to accept that it's all over for America..." Not on your life. It's morning in America again! Cheer up! Trump is going to be better than Reagan and I loved Reagan. The only ones unhappy are the trough-feeders and those brainwashed by the trough-feeders.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (jofrR)

453 I realize you probably don't understand any of this, but this is rationale and legally advisable for Trump. --- OK i don't. Why is it legally advisable for Trump to not release to the public exactly what he has already released to the IRS? What additional jeopardy does that expose him to?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (oGRue)

454 >>>456 Especially if he has to throw a bone to the right and put someone at least as far to the right as Kennedy on the SC. Makes a deal after the 1st round and vows to nominate Cruz. Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2016 03:40 PM (DL2i+)>>> I think we'll be lucky if Trump nominates someone as far right as previous Republican stalwarts Souter or Stevens.

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (4ueYo)

455 Tim ,

5 years old?

Oh they will get a giggle or two from it but most of the humor will go right past them. Spaceships, sixguns, driving racecars through mountains. Lots of fun!

I will expect a full report next week.

Posted by: Mortimer[/i][/b] at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (8ZHTC)

456 What are you really looking for, the total of taxable income, the amount paid in feral taxes or the amount claimed for charitable deductions? I don't know why either of these would be important for any voter or of any great interest.

In the case of Trump, it is to reveal what a YUUGE liar he really is when he describes his net worth, especially since he has already sued a reporter for defamation (and lost) for claiming that Trump is "only" worth millions, as opposed to the billions Trump claims he is worth.  I would bet that Trump's net worth is substantially lower than what he says it is.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (dpnZC)

457 But what electrified his supporters was him pointing out that the US government ought to be more concerned about the welfare of its citizens and not the welfare of foreigners. Call that nationalism; call it patriotism, call it a cab - but ignore it at your peril because it is a powerful force, far more powerful than shrieking leftism and way, way more powerful than the diluted tea that Official Conservative Lifestyle offers. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 03:41 PM (hLRSq) which is what the dumb fuck german foreign minister does not seem to get?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:42 AM (Ozsfq)

458 They don't care. They are beyond being concerned about conservativism as an ideology. They are concerned about survival of the national identity. First: Preserve the nation. Second: Conservative ideology. If conservatism does not make conserving the nation it's top priority, then conservatism is beneath worthless. It is actively harmful.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:43 AM (uURQL)

459 >>> Step 1 is to make better predictions than Scott Adams. If you can't, then why should we give your position equal weight? ... cultist.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:43 AM (dciA+)

460 RM, I also predicted Trump could win it. So what? Cultists.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:43 AM (dciA+)

461 >>>Jeebus. It's AtC, isn't it?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (FsuaD)<<<



Always check your socks for spiders.

Posted by: wolf-spider in sheep-spider clothing at April 29, 2016 10:43 AM (H9MG5)

462 Call it a reckoning. Posted by: Mr. Rourke at April 29, 2016 03:42 PM (T0BVJ) A Clinton coronation.

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:43 AM (tfM+W)

463 453 You should really read Scott Adams (guy who writes Dilbert).


Good god. This is only the 400th "if you only read Dilbert you'd be a Trump supporter" post.

Guy made some good points about the appeal of Trump. Anyone can point at his appeal.

You Scott Adams people act as if the rest of us would be enlightened if we'd only read the right article, which we have.

Please try original arguments and not appeals to authority.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:39 PM (1xUj/)

++++

Adams explicitly says he does not endorse Trump. He compares Trump to a hypnotist and says Trump has the techniques down cold. He predicts Trump's winning solely on Trump's skills as a hypnotist.

That is really the opposite of a pro Trump position. Adams is interesting to read for his analysis of how Trump is doing what he is doing.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (R+30W)

464 You're not getting a wall. You're not getting a Muslim ban. Never ever. Not with Trump. He's lying to you. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:27 PM (A6sW3) We will see. But since you're so good at predicting the future with absolute certainty- what are tonight's MegaMillion numbers, please? Oh, and since you're so brilliant at reading minds, please give me some insider trading info in the stock market. Thank you for your cooperation. Another swami self-identifies.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (0cMkb)

465 I'm supposed to have a guy come to my house to check some wiring or something.  They gave me a window from 12 to 3.  It is now quarter to three.  I bet you 50 dollars that he comes at 3:10, after I've been sitting here all afternoon on the internet, afraid to go to the bathroom.


I will vote for anyone who pledges to put a stop to time frame violations.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (dFi94)

466 416 So your choice is: (1) No wall, and a liberal RINO (Trump) or (2) No wall, and conservative (Cruz). And you're going with #1. Madness. Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (26zxJ) None of that will matter if we don't put a stop to immigration.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (zoehZ)

467 Speaking of Reagan, Will Ferrell's rep announced today that Ferrell will not be participating in the Reagan "comedy" about his Alzheimer's disease.''

I guess Lena Dunham is still on board.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (FsuaD)

468 >>>I realize you probably don't understand any of this, but this is rationale and legally advisable for Trump. Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (391wI)>>> Like Obama and his birth certificate?

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (4ueYo)

469 In the case of Trump, it is to reveal what a YUUGE liar he really is when he describes his net worth, especially since he has already sued a reporter for defamation (and lost) for claiming that Trump is "only" worth millions, as opposed to the billions Trump claims he is worth. I would bet that Trump's net worth is substantially lower than what he says it is. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:42 PM (dpnZC) And of course you know the for fact or are you just making baseless accusations again because, what the fuck, you just hate trump?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (Ozsfq)

470 I want to thank Presdent Obama for talking a bout how out of control Trump is and really want to thank all those persons at that Californica place for protesting against trump because of them prejjertice statements he always spouts ot on TV..

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (NuElX)

471 >>>I realize you probably don't understand any of this, but this is rationale and legally advisable for Trump. Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (391wI)>>> Like Obama and his college transcripts?

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:44 AM (4ueYo)

472 Now we must find someone to blame! - As some day it may happen that a victim must be found, I've got a little list - I've got a little list Of society offenders who might well be underground, And who never would be missed - who never would be missed!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (Nwg0u)

473
Call that nationalism; call it patriotism, call it a cab - but ignore it at your peril because it is a powerful force, far more powerful than shrieking leftism and way, way more powerful than the diluted tea that Official Conservative Lifestyle offers.


Oh I think any student of history knows that nationalism unleashed is a very very powerful force.  It also has the *potential* of being a very very destructive force.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (dpnZC)

474 Kasich is a cockroach. He'd be left "standing" (with his handful of delegates) under any scenario. --- he's as indestructible as the black knight

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (oGRue)

475 >>>I realize you probably don't understand any of this, but this is rationale and legally advisable for Trump. ignorant people are fond of dropping the "you might not understand this [entirely unsupported assertion]" line when they're speaking about things they themselves don't understand. but this is the internet, where sheer repetition of claims counts as "proof"

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (dciA+)

476 I think both Hillary or Trump will be catastrophic for the Country , each in their own way. If I could only pick one reason why I will not vote for Trump it would be his call for Bush's impeachment and praise for Pelosi in that regard. I hate crooked cops more than I hate crooks.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (oGE0z)

477 Am I missing any rosy outcomes?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM


Oh, the election outside is frightful
Both the Left and the GOPe are spiteful
And since we've no place to turn
Let It Bern! Let It Bern! Let It Bern!

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (OF/aZ)

478 Yeah 5) Trump is nominee and beats hillary. China or russia does something stupid, and trump goes off on them. They do something ever more stupid, and trump then looses it, because thats who he is. Shooty shooty war starts and because of the stupidity of the people involved, including our commander in chief who doesn't know what the nuclear triad and his great foreign service team with the Model UN on his resume says or does something really stupid and nuclear war and WWIII start. Posted by: JeffreyL at April 29, 2016 03:34 PM (mXv3y) God have mercy upon me, but this may not actually be the worst possible denoument for our current situation.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (s5o+q)

479 Used to be, when people said something to the effect of "If only I had done (x) I would've been successful at (y)" I would respond with, "Yeah, well if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle." Under the new rules of how penises and vaginas work, I don't know if I can say that anymore.

Posted by: ajmojo at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (1H9ox)

480 It won't end in Hillary. I'm telling, it fucking won't. You're getting Trump.

Posted by: Community Organizer at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (9VLhN)

481 And of course you know the for fact or are you just making baseless accusations again because, what the fuck, you just hate trump?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:44 PM (Ozsfq)


I don't know any facts about Trump's net worth.  I only know his statements, which I take with a YUUGE grain of salt.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (dpnZC)

482 AtC, I made a delicious orange creamsicle shake for my "lunch" today. Breyer's orange creamsicle ice cream + 2% milk (so "lo-cal" -- not). Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 03:41 PM (FsuaD) OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at April 29, 2016 10:45 AM (mf5HN)

483 Please try original arguments and not appeals to authority. Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:39 PM (1xUj/) What authority does Scott Adams have? He offered a theory, and has thus far turned out to be somewhat correct. Maybe if the GOP had been a smidge more amenable to outside advice and suggestions (besides Democrat opposition), things would be going more smoothly today.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 29, 2016 10:46 AM (F6RKd)

484 @451 - funny, I got some crossed lines and picked up the debrief. "So, Yuri, where exactly were you?" "Started up on a 6, when he pulled from the clouds, and then I moved in above him." "Well, if you were directly above him, how could you see him, Comrade?" "Because I was inverted." "No, he was, Comrade. It was a really great move. He was inverted." "You were in a 4g inverted dive with an RC135?" "Da." "At what range?" "Um, about two meters." "It was actually about one and a half I think. It was one and a half. I've got a great selfie of it, and he's right there, must be one and a half." "Da. Was nice picture." "Thanks." "Eh, Yuri, what were you doing there?" "Communicating." "Communicating. Keeping up foreign relations. You know, giving him the bird!" "You know, the finger." "Da, I know the finger."

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 29, 2016 10:46 AM (rvzMR)

485 >>I made a delicious orange creamsicle shake for my "lunch" today. Breyer's orange creamsicle ice cream + 2% milk (so "lo-cal" -- not). Posted by: Jane D'oh For cocktail hour: 1.5 oz vodka 1.5 oz half and half Shake with ice, highball glass with ice Top with 4 oz good quality orange soda

Posted by: Aviator at April 29, 2016 10:46 AM (c7vUv)

486 Speaking of Reagan, Will Ferrell's rep announced today that Ferrell will not be participating in the Reagan "comedy" about his Alzheimer's disease.'' - Well by golly. I guess blowback works.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2016 10:46 AM (Nwg0u)

487 I don't know any facts about Trump's net worth. I only know his statements, which I take with a YUUGE grain of salt. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:45 PM (dpnZC) But you believe every other political as if it was gospel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:46 AM (Ozsfq)

488 cultist. === Cruzlim

Posted by: Bigby's Talking Finger at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (3ZtZW)

489 >>>And of course you know the for fact or are you just making baseless accusations again because, what the fuck, you just hate trump? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:44 PM (Ozsfq)>>> How can it be known for a fact when he's hiding it? Trump spent years inferring whatever he wanted because of Obama withholding his birth certificate. And his transcripts. Was that egregious, or is it only egregious when the same is done to Trump?

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (4ueYo)

490 >>>And of course you know the for fact or are you just making baseless accusations again because, what the fuck, you just hate trump? what evidence has TRUMP provided to support his claim of his wealth? He won't return his tax returns, which would be his sworn statement of his income. He has admitted to absurdities, such as factoring in the self-assessed value of his brand at 3-4 billion dollars. in a lawusit over how much money he had, he said that he couldn't really answer the question, because depending on the day, he might feel (subjectively) he has more money, or less money

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (dciA+)

491 There's something fishy going on here with TFG.  He's been awfully quiet for a Friday afternoon.  That sneaky shit of a community organizer is up to no good, bank on it.

Posted by: Fritz at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (UzPAd)

492 "You Scott Adams people act as if the rest of us would be enlightened if we'd only read the right article, which we have.

Please try original arguments and not appeals to authority.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:39 PM (1xUj/) "

Not to mention, I literally own every single Dilbert collection and I even bought Scott's non-Dilbert books. Even the awful God's Debris. I was also a follower of his blog years before he ever mentioned Trump.

One of his big ideas over the years has been that people are really bad at predicting the future. He tells people not to take stock market advice. He tells people not to take generic career advice. And now he's saying he knows who's going to win the election? It goes against everything he's said for the past 25 years.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (kumBu)

493 Breyer's orange creamsicle ice cream + 2% milk (so "lo-cal" -- not). Posted by: Jane D'oh For cocktail hour: 1.5 oz vodka 1.5 oz half and half Shake with ice, highball glass with ice Top with 4 oz good quality orange soda Posted by: Aviator at April 29, 2016 03:46 PM (c7vUv) Aren't there "hard" sodas now? I bet there's an orange or orange cream one out there....

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (Y3C5w)

494
If conservatism does not make conserving the nation it's top priority, then conservatism is beneath worthless. It is actively harmful.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 03:43 PM (uURQL)


Maybe some of us put principles ahead of sheer tribalism.  Is that harmful in your view?

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:47 AM (dpnZC)

495
But you believe every other political as if it was gospel?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:46 PM (Ozsfq)


Nope, never said I did.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 10:48 AM (dpnZC)

496 "Ted Cruz leads Donald Trump by double digits in a new poll of Indiana." Is that YUGE?

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:48 AM (tfM+W)

497 How can it be known for a fact when he's hiding it? Trump spent years inferring whatever he wanted because of Obama withholding his birth certificate. And his transcripts. Was that egregious, or is it only egregious when the same is done to Trump? Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (4ueYo) I'm only referring to his tax returns that are under Audit. And even with all that I believe we know a whole lot more about trump with all his pimples and faults than we still know about Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:48 AM (Ozsfq)

498 RM, I also predicted Trump could win it. So what? Cultists. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:43 PM (dciA+) Don't be churlish, ace. There's a difference between saying, "Trump could win" and "Trump will win, here are a ton of articles explaining models and methods and what will happen to demonstrate that this prediction will bear out". Observing this and summarizing it isn't cultish and you know better.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:48 AM (uURQL)

499 Kasich won't even get put into nomination because he hasn't won 8 states

Posted by: Earl Butz at April 29, 2016 10:48 AM (e8kgV)

500 I am certain I have no idea to what you are referring but I see no reason to shame those who are Adiposally Gifted. Nor are Ethical Mission Statements a terrible thing. Do you not believe in ethics? Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:31 PM (mf5HN) I sense an ATC sock at work.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 10:49 AM (cZbjp)

501 in a lawusit over how much money he had, he said that he couldn't really answer the question, because depending on the day, he might feel (subjectively) he has more money, or less money Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (dciA+) Oh god! What if his "brand" value fluctuates thusly?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 10:49 AM (Y3C5w)

502 517 Kasich won't even get put into nomination because he hasn't won 8 states

Posted by: Earl Butz at April 29, 2016 03:48 PM (e8kgV)

++++

Rules are made to be changed.

Posted by: GOPe at April 29, 2016 10:49 AM (R+30W)

503 Like Obama and his birth certificate? Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 03:44 PM (4ueYo) That was a whole different issue. Barky's birth certificate went to his eligibility (though he had tons of other problems with his eligibility beside his BC). Trump and all other candidates should have to release their BCs and all other documents needed to prove they are eligible. Tax returns aren't part of that and, as I have noticed over the years, hardly anyone actually cares about them. It always seem the issue with tax returns is just to force someone to release them - mostly for voyeuristic pleasure.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 10:50 AM (zc3Db)

504 cultist. Posted by: ace Oh crap. I read that as "cunt list" which I was hoping was a new thing you were keeping.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 10:50 AM (1xUj/)

505 Adams explicitly says he does not endorse Trump. He compares Trump to a hypnotist and says Trump has the techniques down cold. He predicts Trump's winning solely on Trump's skills as a hypnotist. That is really the opposite of a pro Trump position. Adams is interesting to read for his analysis of how Trump is doing what he is doing. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 03:44 PM (R+30W) Scott Adams is, I think, like many of us: Horrified and captivated by the Trump phenomenon, all at the same time. Trump, as bad as he will likely be, is still going to be better for this country than Hillary or Sanders. I told a friend the other day, our Presidential choices from the big two parties are the Communist, the Crook, the Clown, or the Conservative. I think that's about the right order of preference from least to best, personally.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 10:50 AM (s5o+q)

506 If conservatism does not make conserving the nation it's top priority, then conservatism is beneath worthless. It is actively harmful. Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 03:43 PM (uURQL) Maybe some of us put principles ahead of sheer tribalism. Is that harmful in your view? Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (dpnZC) You owe me an apology before you get any answers, chemjeff.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:50 AM (uURQL)

507 Conservatism, the way many here think of it, is dead as a practical political philosophy. Yes, I'd like Constitutional Conservatives appointed as judges, especially to SCOTUS, but it does nothing for how to govern. You want to kill the Dept of Education, that's a political question, not a Constitutional one. Neocon interventionism is dead. Let GE and HP defend their own outsourced trade routes. Let Disney haggle with Peking to get paid a nickel out of China for its copyrights. Abortion has no place in picking a Presidential candidate. Insisting on it is a shibboleth.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 10:50 AM (r1fLd)

508 >>>I'm only referring to his tax returns that are under Audit. Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:48 PM (Ozsfq)>>> Fair enough. But, it was my understanding that those weren't the only ones he was withholding. But, I could be wrong. Because I don't care enough to find out.

Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 10:51 AM (4ueYo)

509 But you believe every other political as if it was gospel? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:46 PM (Ozsfq) Nope, never said I did. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:48 PM (dpnZC) So what's your point other than you hate Trump which is not news? And As for Ace question? I have no idea how much money Trump has, but is he rich, yeah I'm going to go out on a limb and and say he is. The buildings jets sell funding of his campaign seem to point in that direction. How Rich Who knows. And and as i said above, with all to Trumps supposed secrecy I still suspect we know a lot more about him, bad and good, than we know about Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:51 AM (Ozsfq)

510 heh Posted by: Jane D'oh You like me! You really like me!

Posted by: petunia at April 29, 2016 10:51 AM (jVvcc)

511 >> Adams explicitly says he does not endorse Trump. He compares Trump to a hypnotist and says Trump has the techniques down cold. He predicts Trump's winning solely on Trump's skills as a hypnotist. Based on my observations of of many Trump supporters, this actually makes sense to me. It seems he can do no wrong, no matter how outrageous he gets. I may look for those articles if I remember.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 10:51 AM (6bMel)

512 "Best to accept that it's all over for America..." Not on your life. It's morning in America again! Cheer up! Trump is going to be better than Reagan and I loved Reagan. The only ones unhappy are the trough-feeders and those brainwashed by the trough-feeders. Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 03:42 PM (jofrR) Not sure if being sarcastic or just forgot to change socks...

Posted by: The Not-So-Optimistic Hat at April 29, 2016 10:52 AM (vBeA5)

513 >>Aren't there "hard" sodas now? I bet there's an orange or orange cream one out there.... Posted by: West Town Yes there are. They are malt liquor based. Not near as good as this vodka creamsicle.

Posted by: Aviator at April 29, 2016 10:52 AM (c7vUv)

514 But, I could be wrong. Because I don't care enough to find out. Posted by: gm at April 29, 2016 03:51 PM (4ueYo) Neither to I . LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:52 AM (Ozsfq)

515 which is what the dumb fuck german foreign minister does not seem to get? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:42 PM (Ozsfq) I think they understand that and are sorely afraid that if nationalism and patriotism ever climbs into the saddle in Europe all of those who were selling out their nations for diversity/multiculturalism are going to be facing a bloody judgment. The history of Europe in the 19th Century is a good foreshadowing for that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:52 AM (hLRSq)

516 >>>. The buildings jets sell funding of his campaign seem to point in that direction HE IS NOT SELF-FUNDING Jesus God. It's an impenetrable neutron star of superdense ignorance.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (dciA+)

517 Not fair to ask Trump his net worth, unless you give him a list of his recent Democratic contributions to subtract. Otherwise, the question is rigged!

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (tfM+W)

518 Oh crap. I read that as "cunt list" which I was hoping was a new thing you were keeping. Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 03:50 PM (1xUj/) *shifty eyes* Who would do such a thing? *shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (mf5HN)

519 "what evidence has TRUMP provided to support his claim of his wealth? He won't return his tax returns, which would be his sworn statement of his income. " They call it "Income Tax" not "Weath Tax" for a reason. A tax return wouldn't show his wealth. And, of course, you already know that his tax attorney has told him not to release anything while an ongoing audit is occurring. Really lame arguments. Asked and answered repeatedly.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (jofrR)

520 Nood up.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (uURQL)

521 "I guess Lena Dunham is still on board."

don't think she looks like gorbachev.  maybe if they shave her head ?

Posted by: runner at April 29, 2016 10:53 AM (c6/9Q)

522 I would presume that you would support Ms. Jenner's candidacy as she, for reasons that I do not comprehend, continues to support a party which denies her right to exist. Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:24 PM (mf5HN) The GOP wants to kill her? Nah. The Demoncrats are the only ones who are denying anybody a right to exist. But babies don't count. They can't vote. You really are either a regular who is having some fun impersonating a brain-dead leftist, or you really are a brain dead leftist. Why don't you get together with Trigglypuff and scissor? She's one of your strong lefty feminists too. She's looking for company.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (u0lmX)

523 I sense an ATC sock at work.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 03:49 PM


Given AtC known fabulous shoe sense (cf. the picture link she posted a while ago), she is much more likely to be using stocking (and a silk one, at that), than a sock.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (OF/aZ)

524 The Russkie jets which are performing these dangerous close-quarters aerobatics around American aircraft are bona fide fighter jets with ejection seats.

The American planes are converted transports, not fighters or bombers, and they do not have ejection seats.

If Ivan misjudges the distance and takes the vertical stabilizer off of one of those RC-135s, or otherwise catastrophically damages it, Ivan at least can punch out of what's left of his jet. All of the Yanks in the crippled larger plane are probably going to go lethally kerplunk into the sea far below.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (noWW6)

525 Adams explicitly says he does not endorse Trump. He compares Trump to a hypnotist and says Trump has the techniques down cold. He predicts Trump's winning solely on Trump's skills as a hypnotist. Based on my observations of of many Trump supporters, this actually makes sense to me. It seems he can do no wrong, no matter how outrageous he gets. I may look for those articles if I remember. Posted by: chique d'afrique And it can be argued that those rooting for whatever gets spat out by the GOP are reminiscent of a battered spouse. Cruz kinda sorta seems to be somewhat different, though the noncompete agreements with katshitt don't sit well with me.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (326rv)

526 For the fatalists out there... yes Trump would get blown out, there'd be amnesty, for a short while it would look like a permanent leftist coaltion, and there would be a deeper entrenchment of the bureaucracy while those bobo assholes in suburban Virginia get fatter... but at some point, the gov't really WILL run out of other people's money. That isn't just a saying, that is the actual real life problem with a strategy of taxing producers, importing takers, and creating people whose jobs it is to add costs to everything at every stage of production. So at some point, there will be either a reformation of the Democrat party, or a party realignment, or both. The left coalition is not exactly ironclad. At the end of the day, upper-middle class progressives like their lifestyles, and if the racial justice crowd starts cramming low-income high rises into hip Austin neighborhoods while hamstringing the police from doing anything about the rising crime rates, reality will set in. Things will dial themselves back out of necessity. What form they will take when they do is the question. I think the idea of a limited gov't, rule of law, and constitutionalism will be officially dead in this country 10 seconds after Cruz drops out of the race. It's all identity politics from there on out.

Posted by: cjw at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (UJ59J)

527 HE IS NOT SELF-FUNDING Jesus God. It's an impenetrable neutron star of superdense ignorance. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:53 PM (dciA+) He's self funding more than anyone else. I know he is taking money also, but he is paying for a lot of his campaign. Ya think that Jet is free?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (Ozsfq)

528 whatever, Dummies. Everything MISTER Trump says is gospel. Religious cultists. You just do not hear cruz supporters speaking this way. They routinely admit his faults. They concede hey, it's possible he had affairs. They concede people don't like him. But every election has a candidate the True Believers flock to, the Lost and the Looking, the people who want desperately to Join. The previous two cycles it's been Ron Paul or Sarah Palin. Now Donald Trump is the magnet for people who just Want To Believe.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:54 AM (dciA+)

529 in a lawusit over how much money he had, he said that he couldn't really answer the question, because depending on the day, he might feel (subjectively) he has more money, or less money Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (dciA+) Just as some "fact-checkers" use Obama's words as facts against which to compare things, some people take Trump's words as gospel.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 10:55 AM (6bMel)

530 They concede hey, it's possible he had affairs. Fascinating. You did a great job not blogging about that, by the way.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 10:55 AM (uURQL)

531 so, believe, Believers. Don't be surprised that the rest of us laugh and jeer at your gullibility, neediness, and willingness to believe nearly anything a Hero Figure tells you.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:56 AM (dciA+)

532 what evidence has TRUMP provided to support his claim of his wealth? He won't return his tax returns, which would be his sworn statement of his income. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (dciA+) Income and wealth are two different things, as I know you are well aware of. I'm really not sure why you are so interested with his wealth. If he only was worth 1 billion instead of 8 or 9 or whatever would that change anything with you? You hate him, already. Clearly, you can't be interested in his true net worth (which won't be found on his tax returns) for your own vote, so why are you? Just because you think it might sway others?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 10:56 AM (zc3Db)

533 >>>Fascinating. You did a great job not blogging about that, by the way. I did blog about it, asshole, and I talked about it on a super-secret outlet I have called "the podcast." I sense you would be happier at Gateway Pundit, and I urge you to make all deliberate speed to get yourself there.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 10:57 AM (dciA+)

534 Now Donald Trump is the magnet for people who just Want To Believe. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:54 PM (dciA+) A) I support Cruz B) hey Ace , Trump got over 50% of the Vote in the last group of Primaries. Those are not just "true Believers" they are registered Republicans. C) there are also people called "True haters"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 10:57 AM (Ozsfq)

535 530 >> Adams explicitly says he does not endorse Trump. He compares Trump to a hypnotist and says Trump has the techniques down cold. He predicts Trump's winning solely on Trump's skills as a hypnotist.



Based on my observations of of many Trump supporters, this actually makes sense to me. It seems he can do no wrong, no matter how outrageous he gets.

I may look for those articles if I remember.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 03:51 PM (6bMel)

++++

His blog is here:
http://tinyurl.com/ph427jr

He uses tags, and I think he collects the "Trump is a hypnotist" stuff under a Master Persuader tag (or something like that).

Posted by: GOPe at April 29, 2016 10:57 AM (R+30W)

536 Shooty shooty war starts

Because the Pentagon is just full of 4 stars itching to get into a dumbfight.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 10:57 AM (DL2i+)

537 You just do not hear cruz supporters speaking this way. They routinely admit his faults. They concede hey, it's possible he had affairs. They concede people don't like him. === Trump supporters do the same thing. What hogwash.

Posted by: Bigby's Talking Finger at April 29, 2016 10:57 AM (3ZtZW)

538 Oh I think any student of history knows that nationalism unleashed is a very very powerful force. It also has the *potential* of being a very very destructive force. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 03:45 PM (dpnZC) So then base your arguments against Trump's candidacy by addressing the things that are actually driving his supporters. Show how the candidate you support will address those concerns, but do so far more competently than Trump will. Such a course of action would have been more successful than calling them cultists and Trumpkins and wondering why they won't change their minds when you aren't even addressing any of their concerns. *shrugs* Probably too late for that now.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 10:58 AM (hLRSq)

539 i say we bring back the Whig Party

but LIVs would probably only hear "Wig" and assume it has something to do with Trump.

Posted by: Waldo Trout at April 29, 2016 10:58 AM (M1MpJ)

540 Oh, for Chrissake. AtC completely fooled me.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at April 29, 2016 10:58 AM (u0lmX)

541 Oh I think any student of history knows that nationalism unleashed is a very very powerful force. It also has the *potential* of being a very very destructive force. Posted by: chemjeff As does an asshole screwing around with chemicals.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 10:59 AM (326rv)

542 Cruz kinda sorta seems to be somewhat different, though the noncompete agreements with katshitt don't sit well with me. Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 03:54 PM (326rv) I read somewhere that Trump made a deal with Kasich in Michigan. The guy is trying to become president and frankly is getting desperate. I don't understand what all the fuss is about with his probably stupid Kasich move. People are being a bit nitpicky, especially given the history of the other guy's alliances.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 10:59 AM (6bMel)

543 Also I'm kinda proud of Adiposally Gifted. Posted by: alexthechick - Banderette at April 29, 2016 03:41 PM (mf5HN) As soon as I saw that, I said to myself, "Aha! That's ATC." Up to then, you had me going.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2016 10:59 AM (cZbjp)

544 What are the chances the Clintons won't find a way to educate us about Trump's finances and hobbies?

Posted by: USA at April 29, 2016 10:59 AM (tfM+W)

545 "Not sure if being sarcastic or just forgot to change socks..." Serious as a heart attack. Trump is the man for the hour as Reagan was in his time. I really, really mean it. No cultist here. Clear-eyed realist here. I understand and know Trump's faults. I also know his strengths.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:00 AM (jofrR)

546 Oh, for Chrissake. AtC completely fooled me. You can imagine the value of crystal and china being shattered as she does her graceful happy dance.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 11:00 AM (1xUj/)

547 Cruz kinda sorta seems to be somewhat different, though the noncompete agreements with katshitt don't sit well with me. Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 03:54 PM (326rv) I read somewhere that Trump made a deal with Kasich in Michigan. The guy is trying to become president and frankly is getting desperate. I don't understand what all the fuss is about with his probably stupid Kasich move. People are being a bit nitpicky, especially given the history of the other guy's alliances. Posted by: chique d'afrique I don't think that that other deal is a good thing either.We're not exactly suffering from an excess of riches here.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:00 AM (326rv)

548 hey RM, Since I DID cover the Cruz affair claims, but have NOT covered the Trump Pedophile Rape lawsuit, I'll do that next.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:01 AM (dciA+)

549 >>>Ace, you broke your own new blog rule about civility about 5 times in this thread. then leave

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:01 AM (dciA+)

550 Trump's tax returns may tell little about his net worth. e.g., Trump Tower may be depreciated to nothing, but could be worth $1 billion. It's not crazy that Trump's "name" is worth $3 billion if that's the capitalized value of licensing deals he's done on developments. Rather than taking a cut of owning a property, he may be taking a cut of the cash flow off the top. I expect that the tax returns are "legal" but show Trump worth little and to have paid little in taxes. The beauty of the real estate business. Trump can say to Hillary, I'll show you my returns when you show me your speeches. $650k to tell Goldman Sachs that Lloyd Blankfein does God's work.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 11:02 AM (r1fLd)

551 I don't think that that other deal is a good thing either.We're not exactly suffering from an excess of riches here. Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:00 PM (326rv) It's politics, not church. And you'd be surprised (or not) what goes on in church.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:02 AM (6bMel)

552 TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

Posted by: Guy Who Can't Understand Why Other People Are Getting Sick of Him at April 29, 2016 11:02 AM (dciA+)

553 Ghost of Kari, in his 1,034th comment of the day: "The Republican/conservative brand is more toxic than fundamentalist islam to the general US population." Hey, asshole, here's an idea: You're not a Republican? Then stop trying to influence our nomination. Start your own fucking party. And yeah, there have been others here who have criticized current Republican leadership -- because they ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH. Not Kari -- no no. Conservatism is a failed philosophy to him. Please remember this as you listen to his Trumpian siren song. And remember this from Kari: "Maybe it's time for us to try something different instead of sighing and weeping over how unjustly we've been treated by the left." He doesn't think the left has done anything unjust -- because he's a leftist. It could not be more obvious. Anyone who has listened to this twit and has been swayed, has been conned by a 24 year old Feministing commenter pretending to be a concerned fellow patriot.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 29, 2016 11:03 AM (LqrRo)

554 Ace, don't forget Manafort! Although that story must be stale by now.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:03 AM (6bMel)

555 This won't end well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 11:03 AM (FsuaD)

556 You owe me an apology before you get any answers, chemjeff.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 03:50 PM (uURQL)


You aren't owed squat.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:03 AM (dpnZC)

557 "Trump supporters do the same thing. What hogwash.

Posted by: Bigby's Talking Finger at April 29, 2016 03:57 PM (3ZtZW) "

Gosh, you're right. Why here's one now:

"Serious as a heart attack.

Trump is the man for the hour as Reagan was in his time.

I really, really mean it. No cultist here. Clear-eyed realist here. I understand and know Trump's faults. I also know his strengths.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 04:00 PM (jofrR) "

You're right, Trump's supporters are really keyed into his faults.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 11:03 AM (kumBu)

558 "So we have not one but two wings of this party looking to teach the other a Lesson that will echo in the decades to come." With your wing of the party being the only sane and reasonable one, right ace?

Posted by: Johnny at April 29, 2016 11:04 AM (Ypf1L)

559 YYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2016 11:04 AM (kTF2Z)

560 YYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!! Tension breaker Had to be done

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2016 11:05 AM (kTF2Z)

561 I don't think that that other deal is a good thing either.We're not exactly suffering from an excess of riches here. Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:00 PM (326rv) It's politics, not church. And you'd be surprised (or not) what goes on in church. Posted by: chique d'afrique uh, okay.my understanding was that this WAS politics, and that one was SUPPOSED to be examining not only what ALL the candidates say, but do.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:05 AM (326rv)

562 Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:05 AM (6bMel)

563 What I'm about is, as I say every single day Equal enforcement of the law Border security Economic freedom, specifically for the individual An unapologetically strong military, applied in our self-interest Pushback against the left and their speech and thought policing Trump talks a big game about each of these things, and he has broad popular support. You choose to disbelieve him. I do not. Any republican candidate is going to face an uphill battle for the general. That's just the way it is. Let's harness this juggernaut and turn it on the left. If he's a phony, it will be no different than if Kasich or Rubio got the nom. If he's for real, it could be just what we need.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 11:05 AM (xuouz)

564 I am proud to announce that the Brattleboro Annual Gay and Lesbian Day Parade will occur in July. Please stay tuned for more information as we release it. Thank You

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at April 29, 2016 11:05 AM (NuElX)

565 It's like whack-a-mole with the trolls today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 11:06 AM (FsuaD)

566 I think we'll be lucky if Trump nominates someone as far right as previous Republican stalwarts Souter or Stevens.

I expect it will look like a win for everybody.  Cruz wants it and would be good at it.  The Senate wants him out of the way and taking fire for doing the job they wont.  Donald gets right credit.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 11:06 AM (DL2i+)

567 I am proud to announce that the Brattleboro Annual Gay and Lesbian Day Parade will occur in July. Please stay tuned for more information as we release it. Thank You Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT Will there be flags? Asking for a troll.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (326rv)

568 so, believe, Believers. Don't be surprised that the rest of us laugh and jeer at your gullibility, neediness, and willingness to believe nearly anything a Hero Figure tells you. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 03:56 PM (dciA+) You aren't selling very well because reason alone cannot do it, can never do it. You have to have emotion also. "Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" is an emotional statement and belief couched in measured words, but it is emotional to the core. Reason needs to ride on emotion or it goes nowhere.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (hLRSq)

569 Yep!   Ten after three !  Just as I predicted.  Sheesh

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (dFi94)

570 This thread reads a lot better with Yakety Sax (from that Isis Mighty Warrior video) going through your head.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (s5o+q)

571 >>>564 Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults? yes Misfortune, please prove Bigby right and demonstrate that Trump supporters don't just lavish improbable praise on their Tribal Hero.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (dciA+)

572 "He doesn't think the left has done anything unjust -- because he's a leftist. It could not be more obvious. Anyone who has listened to this twit and has been swayed, has been conned by a 24 year old Feministing commenter pretending to be a concerned fellow patriot.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 29, 2016 04:03 PM (LqrRo) "

Now I have to say, even though I've tangled with GoK quite a bit, this is a tremendously unfair appraisal of him.

He's at least 26.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 11:07 AM (kumBu)

573 I did blog about it, asshole, and I talked about it on a super-secret outlet I have called "the podcast." I read your blog every day. If you made a blogpost to discuss the NE article and the fire behind the smoke, I managed to completely miss it. Podcasts aren't quite the same thing. On the other hand, I got very thorough coverage on Field's missing arm, so there's that.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (uURQL)

574 I expect it will look like a win for everybody. Cruz wants it and would be good at it. The Senate wants him out of the way and taking fire for doing the job they wont. Donald gets right credit. Oh, look at you taunting us with Hope.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (1xUj/)

575 I know he is taking money also, but he is paying for a lot of his campaign. Ya think that Jet is free?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2016 03:54 PM (Ozsfq)


don't ya think that use of the Jet is deductible?

Posted by: Waldo Trout at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (M1MpJ)

576 "You just do not hear cruz supporters speaking this way. They routinely admit his faults. They concede hey, it's possible he had affairs. They concede people don't like him. " Woah, you have not talked to a Cruz supporters I've talked to. The guy has a base of 5%. The rest are anti-Trump people who are desperate to stop Trump. Cruz was finished in South Carolina. He's been a Tead man walking since. The last six state sweep finished him off for good. Some just won't get it till the corpse starts to stink.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (jofrR)

577 Since I DID cover the Cruz affair claims, but have NOT covered the Trump Pedophile Rape lawsuit, I'll do that next. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 04:01 PM (dciA+) Have at it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (uURQL)

578 I will vote for anyone who pledges to put a stop to time frame violations.

Talk to the hamsters.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (DL2i+)

579 uh, okay.my understanding was that this WAS politics, and that one was SUPPOSED to be examining not only what ALL the candidates say, but do. Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:05 PM (326rv) Same as church. I don't understand the outrage over making a very open deal with Kasich, even though he's a douche. It may not have been very smart since Kasich is an ass, but I don't see any other problem. Did he say he was adopting Kasich's views? All he wanted was some of his voters.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (6bMel)

580 Ha, ha! Posted by: Mandragora at April 29, 2016 03:35 PM (mf5HN) sock fools Ace!

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 11:08 AM (jVvcc)

581 Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 04:02 PM (r1fLd) It's even more difficult than that. Trump Tower is a condo, BTW, but I don't know who owns the lower floor commercial space. Probably Trump but it wouldn't be personally. That would be through some private partnership or corporation that won't show its details on his returns. The same for most of his projects and the things he owns, so I don't know what some of these people really think they are going to see on his personal tax returns. They seem to think that everything he owns will be listed and valued (as if there is even a simple way to value large properties) along with all of the debt attached. It's all more than a bit naive.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 11:09 AM (zc3Db)

582 >>>With your wing of the party being the only sane and reasonable one, right ace? Posted by: Johnny eh go back to whatever rock you usually hide under

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:09 AM (dciA+)

583 You aren't owed squat. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:03 PM (dpnZC) Just clearly communicating the standard I am holding you to. Don't be dishonest, chemjeff.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:09 AM (uURQL)

584 I hereby declare today to be Fuckitall Friday.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 11:10 AM (FsuaD)

585 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified sidebar at April 29, 2016 04:05 PM (xuouz) I swear, it must have been you who wrote the NYPost Trump endorsement.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (6bMel)

586 >>>On the other hand, I got very thorough coverage on Field's missing arm, so there's that. right, it's weird, we talk about things there are evidence of more than things there are no evidence of whatsoever go away.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (dciA+)

587 I don't understand the outrage over making a very open deal with Kasich, even though he's a douche. It may not have been very smart since Kasich is an ass, but I don't see any other problem. Did he say he was adopting Kasich's views? All he wanted was some of his voters. Posted by: chique d'afrique This is part of the problem on this thread. Since when did an observation become "outrage"? I'm not a trump supporter. I'm not a Cruz supporter. I didn't even bother to vote in the DE primary this year. But somehow it's "outrage".

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (326rv)

588 @554 Trump cresting over 50% comes because there are plenty of idiots who will simply vote for the person perceived as winning. Those people are even worse than folks who deliberated on it and chose Trump when he was at 10%, who were at least attempting to exercise their own judgment at that point in time. 2016 is the year we can finally no longer pretend democracy was ever a good idea.

Posted by: cjw at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (UJ59J)

589 Reactionary Monster thinks we should talk about Ted Cruz's phantom ass-slaying more than the caught-on-videotape, disputed-by-lunatics Michelle Field incident.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (dciA+)

590 "Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults?" He's too kind to Cruz supporters. Ha!

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:11 AM (jofrR)

591 Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults?" He's too kind to Cruz supporters. Ha! Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence Too modest.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:12 AM (326rv)

592
Don't be dishonest, chemjeff.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 04:09 PM (uURQL)


Perhaps you might begin in the honesty department yourself by actually answering questions posed to you and instead stop relying on cheap rhetorical nonsense and attacking the messenger instead.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:12 AM (dpnZC)

593 "Also, I don't like a guy who promises to release his tax returns, and then reneges. Untrustworthy. Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 03:21 PM (UBBWX) What release date did Trump give that he has reneged on? Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 03:23 PM (391wI)" Hi, Jen. Trump was interviewed on Hugh Hewitt's show last year and said his people were working on the returns and they'd be released. When asked a follow up question about that in a debate this year, he said he had been audited every year for a long time and was still under audit so he couldn't release them. Google townhall.com trump Hugh Hewitt tax return for details. Tax experts and the IRS have indicated there's nothing to stop a person from releasing old tax returns that are no longer under audit, or even the current ones. After all, the IRS already has them. Trump indicates he's been advised not to release even the old ones that are no longer under audit. If he's being truthful that he's been under audit every year for ages then: 1) he hires the wrong accountants and tax attorneys 2) he wasn't serious when he said he'd release them returns Sounds incompetent and/or untruthful to me.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 11:12 AM (UYQcx)

594 >>> He's too kind to Cruz supporters. Ha! yes, "Ha!" indeed

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:12 AM (dciA+)

595 "Trump cresting over 50% comes because there are plenty of idiots who will simply vote for the person perceived as winning."

or they actually think that he is better then the other guy

Posted by: runner at April 29, 2016 11:12 AM (c6/9Q)

596 Perhaps you might begin in the honesty department yourself by actually answering questions posed to you and instead stop relying on cheap rhetorical nonsense and attacking the messenger instead. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:12 PM (dpnZC) You demanded an apology from me for the strawman you created of my position. This is not a rhetorical trick. This is what you did. You act in bad faith, I will call it out. Start behing honest.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (uURQL)

597 Let's see the real accounting records for HRC, BilleyJef, CGI, etc. then worry about Trumps tax returns.  The details of which would certainly be used by non-political financial parties to trade against should they become public.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (DL2i+)

598 "Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults? He once equated waving a flag during a riot with a parade.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (326rv)

599 "Misfortune, what are some of Trump's faults? " Ok. Here's one. Too frugal. I think he went a little on the cheap side during the primaries. I think he should of had a larger crew and I want him to have that nailed down for the general.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (jofrR)

600 Trump cresting over 50% comes because there are plenty of idiots who will simply vote for the person perceived as winning. Those people are even worse than folks who deliberated on it and chose Trump when he was at 10%, who were at least attempting to exercise their own judgment at that point in time. 2016 is the year we can finally no longer pretend democracy was ever a good idea. Posted by: cjw at April 29, 2016 04:11 PM (UJ59J) Not so sure about that. I'd like to plot out what sort of "Republicans" get elected in those states that he dominates in.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (Y3C5w)

601 581 uh, okay.my understanding was that this WAS politics, and that one was SUPPOSED to be examining not only what ALL the candidates say, but do.
Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:05 PM (326rv)

Same as church.

I don't understand the outrage over making a very open deal with Kasich, even though he's a douche. It may not have been very smart since Kasich is an ass, but I don't see any other problem. Did he say he was adopting Kasich's views? All he wanted was some of his voters.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 04:08 PM (6bMel)

++++

Well, there was that meme (bandied about with great regularity at this blog) that Kasich was staying in the race to help Trump. The deal kind of stomped on the throat of that meme.

Also, deals between the candidates to gang up on another candidate are looked on poorly by the voters. If you are in the race and are fighting for yourself, ok. But if you are part of some cabal formed to gang up on another candidate, the voters just might decide that they want nothing to do with the cabal.

So, Trump supporters were happy to make the most of that stupid deal.

Posted by: GOPe at April 29, 2016 11:14 AM (R+30W)

602 Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:11 PM (326rv) I didn't make any assumptions about who you are supporting. If anything, I would have thought you were a Cruz supporter. The "outrage" isn't necessarily referring to you. There were lots of people it seemed who thought it was so awful. Plus I may have engaged in some hyperbole.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:15 AM (6bMel)

603 That is your game, RM.  You try to avoid answering difficult questions about your positions by attacking me, the messenger, the one asking the questions.  That is why you edit out from all of your responses when I ask a question of you and just instead attack and attack me.

Perhaps you might want to begin by answering the question I posed to you two days ago, whether you would rather have a black Thomas Sowell or a white Mitch McConnell as the champion of conservatism, in light of your comment that you believe "White America" is the savior of conservatism

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:15 AM (dpnZC)

604 Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:11 PM (326rv) I didn't make any assumptions about who you are supporting. If anything, I would have thought you were a Cruz supporter. The "outrage" isn't necessarily referring to you. There were lots of people it seemed who thought it was so awful. Plus I may have engaged in some hyperbole. Posted by: chique d'afrique Ok. We're good then?

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:16 AM (326rv)

605 All side of the great Truz/Crump Foo-Frah- should read this from Insty: http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/232652/#respond It's a post concerning an article by Uber-GOPe-Doof Peggy Noonan- only in this extremely-rare-one-time-event, she's got this just about right. Contrary to the arguments of tribalism above this is almost an anti-tribal election.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 11:16 AM (0cMkb)

606 Guy does donuts amidst anti Trump rabble: http://preview.tinyurl.com/zky2jhg Best elections evah!

Posted by: g6loq at April 29, 2016 11:16 AM (zj+JZ)

607 So, Trump supporters were happy to make the most of that stupid deal. Posted by: GOPe at April 29, 2016 04:14 PM (R+30W) As was their right. I still think it's nitpicky, especially in light of Trump's body of work.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:16 AM (6bMel)

608 Speaking of Reagan, Will Ferrell's rep announced today that Ferrell will not be participating in the Reagan "comedy" about his Alzheimer's disease.'' I guess Lena Dunham is still on board. Is she playing the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan?

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 11:17 AM (jVvcc)

609 /sock

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 11:17 AM (R+30W)

610 Trump's bad points? He's impulsive. He's boastful. He reacts to everything, seemingly with little forethought. He holds petty grudges. He's vain. He's rude, more often than need be. He's stubborn. He can be too loyal to a subordinate. He won't admit error. I'm sure I can come up with others.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:17 AM (hLRSq)

611 sock fools Ace! Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2016 04:08 PM (jVvcc) To be fair, ewoks find socks terribly uncomfortable, I've heard.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 11:17 AM (s5o+q)

612 Ok. We're good then? Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 04:16 PM (326rv) There was never a problem. I don't take differences of opinion personally (most of the time).

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:17 AM (6bMel)

613 would you rather have a black Thomas Sowell or a white Mitch McConnell as the champion of conservatism Posted by: chemjeff Can they self identify the other way? Are there any chemicals to help with that? Anything to make this election cycle juuuuuuust a little weirder.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at April 29, 2016 11:18 AM (326rv)

614 "yes, "Ha!" indeed" Oh, come on. Lighten up. It's the old job interview trick. "I'm just too much of a good worker. I arrive early, work my heart out, stay late and pick up stray kittens and puppies on my way home while dropping off food for the elderly." Trump is going to be fantastic for this country.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:18 AM (jofrR)

615 And guess what RM this is the same sort of crap that Trump pulls.  Someone asks him a difficult question, and what does he do?  He goes off and launches some "provocative statement" or some personal insult that gets everyone talking about THAT rather than his utter cluelessness when asked anything of substance.  It is no wonder that you like Trump, you and him are two peas in a pod on that score.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:18 AM (dpnZC)

616 Reactionary Monster thinks we should talk about Ted Cruz's phantom ass-slaying more than the caught-on-videotape, disputed-by-lunatics Michelle Field incident. Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 04:11 PM (dciA+) I note he has a blog. Perhaps he is upset that more of us are not visiting it.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 11:19 AM (s5o+q)

617 Hey chique, If you're still around, you were mentioning that Trump himself made you anti-Trump... What was the thing that did it for you...what made you say "I'm done". Not going to try to convince you of anything. Either way. Just curious.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 11:19 AM (0cMkb)

618 You know, for all GoK's talk about aesthetics, most of the criticisms of Cruz sure seem to be aesthetic ones:

He acts like a "beta." He talks too much like a lawyer. He looks shifty. He comes off like an evangelist.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 11:19 AM (kumBu)

619 Now Donald Trump is the magnet for people who just Want To Believe.

I really wish you'd pay more attention to his non-cultish support...
And put down that hammer.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 11:20 AM (DL2i+)

620 Trump is an egotistical flaming jackass who probably has no real deep thoughts of any kind. Yet, he is leading. A brokered convention, contested convention whatever is a shitshow. Looks like we are a truck full of Abu Hajaars. With shitty economy and world instability (ISIS, Norks, Russia), people will vote for the party that looks like they have their shit together. Or more accurately, more together than the alternative. The Dems have rifts and a bitch candidate. Yet they are a model of discipline compared to the Pubs. The longer we fling shit at each other and piss in the tent, the more the average apolitical voter says "fuck those guys". I don't care who the nominee is. But the hair pulling and eye poking internally needs to stop or we need to just say fuck it now.

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at April 29, 2016 11:20 AM (WV7Tr)

621 Perhaps you might want to begin by answering the question I posed to you two days ago, whether you would rather have a black Thomas Sowell or a white Mitch McConnell as the champion of conservatism, in light of your comment that you believe "White America" is the savior of conservatism Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:15 PM (dpnZC) Oy. Whites are clearly the group most supportive of our COnstitutional system, both in absolute numbers and in percentages. There's nothing to debate on that point. And clearly, Thomas Sowell is one of the best conservatives around while Mitch McConnell is nothing but a Vichy GOP Barky-collaborator. You have really gone far beyond the point of annoying and tedious, jeff. You have a real problem.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 11:20 AM (zc3Db)

622 >>>in light of your comment that you believe "White America" is the savior of conservatism did he really say that? Why does that fail to shock me?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:21 AM (dciA+)

623 Anyone wanting to get away from the flamethrower war can proceed to the nood, which is not so nood anymore.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2016 11:21 AM (Qvgg/)

624 I'm sure I can come up with others. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 04:17 PM (hLRSq) Thanks. How do you measure his past against his current promises and statements (including seeming contradictions about those statements)? Just curious. Please don't answer if you don't want to. I have to get ready to go to church myself.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:21 AM (6bMel)

625 And put down that hammer. Oh gosh no. The Happy Fun Hammer gleams in the sunlight and delights us all. I don't know how it missed Mr. Rourke.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 11:21 AM (1xUj/)

626 So no RM I am not going to fucking apologize for any damn thing.  I don't care if you think I am a liar, you are going to call me a liar no matter what, because that is what people like you (and Trump) do.  I do not believe for one moment in your whole feigned outrage schtick over my supposed "lies".  So answer the question, or not.  Your silence, however, is an answer just in a different form.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:21 AM (dpnZC)

627 I hereby declare today to be Fuckitall Friday.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 29, 2016 04:10 PM


Does that include the short, the fat, and the tall?

Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at April 29, 2016 11:22 AM (OF/aZ)

628 Trump's worth: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-2015-6 They also cite the Forbes estimate that's around $4-billion but I couldn't access it directly because I'm not willing to turn off my adblocker to go to a website.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 11:23 AM (jVvcc)

629 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 04:17 PM (hLRSq) --------- Yep. He's also scatterbrained, inarticulate at times, and not particularly well read on the issues. He's also orders of magnitude better than Hilary.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2016 11:23 AM (kTF2Z)

630 Here is RM, from two days ago:


"White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.

Black America can't. (See #BLM)
Latino America can't. (See Latin America)


http://tinyurl.com/gmhwge8

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:23 AM (dpnZC)

631 He acts like a "beta." He talks too much like a lawyer. He looks shifty. He comes off like an evangelist. Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 04:19 PM (kumBu) You forgot that he's creepy. And has a punchable face.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:23 AM (6bMel)

632 That is your game, RM. You try to avoid answering difficult questions about your positions by attacking me, the messenger, the one asking the questions. That is why you edit out from all of your responses when I ask a question of you and just instead attack and attack me. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:15 PM (dpnZC) No, this is your game - create strawmen, obfuscate, twist, and prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. It's dishonest to prosecute people for words they did not say, chemjeff. I did not say "necessarily deprive" - you created that strawman. Then you demanded a fraudulent apology from me when I observed that it was a strawman. I've answered your false accusation by demonstrating that "don't deserve" is a different concept than "necessarily deprive". You are wrong, but you have not owned your wrong words by admitting error and making amends. Answering your questions requires taking you seriously. Taking you seriously means holding you to account for your words. It'd be a lot easier to dismiss you, chemjeff. This is my taking you seriously. If and when you are honest, then I can answer your questions. But not before. Honesty is a fundamental requirement.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:25 AM (uURQL)

633
Oh, look at you taunting us with Hope. Posted by: Bandersnatch


I have an ongoing internal debate re: explaining being seemingly hopeless before hope is available.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2016 11:25 AM (DL2i+)

634 "Oy. Whites are clearly the group most supportive of our COnstitutional system, both in absolute numbers and in percentages.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 04:20 PM (zc3Db) "

But most of the people who got us to this point are white. Even when we win in absolute numbers we lose in influence. For every ten rock solid conservative blue collar lunch pail guys who just do their job and mind their own business, the left had two or three communist sympathizing college professors moving the Overton window.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 11:27 AM (kumBu)

635 You forgot that he's creepy. And has a punchable face. Yes, Cruz' aesthetics are awful. I like most of what he says. Also I'm a sucker for really smart people and he's a really smart people. I don't think a really smart constitutionalist who gives off an icky vibe has much of a shot, but he's all I have left now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 11:27 AM (1xUj/)

636 >>>in light of your comment that you believe "White America" is the savior of conservatism did he really say that? Why does that fail to shock me? Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 04:21 PM (dciA+) Of course not. chemjeff is currently unable to to accurately recapitulate an opposing view.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:27 AM (uURQL)

637 #125 "Nobody has seen outside the box with a guy like Trump at the helm. One can say he will do this or that but nobody really knows." Yeah. We really do. We've seen it. We've seen it over and over again in Mexico, in Central and South America, in France, in Central Europe... Someone shouts "I am the only man who can save us!", the mob yells. "Save us O indispensable man!" and everybody's lives go to shit. It happens every fucking time. Trump is nothing new; he's not even anything new in America; look at Father Coughlin and Huey Long and George Wallace. He's nothing new. He's just nothing good.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 29, 2016 11:27 AM (Kucy5)

638 And the funniest part of it all, is that RM is the one claiming that *I* am acting in bad faith, when I am the one actually answering *his* questions, even difficult ones, but when I ask him a difficult question, he always seems to find some lame way to dodge it.  "Oh you misrepresent me.  That's not what I said."  [even though it is clearly what he MEANT]  "You're a liar and I am going to pretend to be outragedly outraged for all of your mean meanie lies."  Or he just edits it out completely hoping no one would notice.

I'm just fucking through with that sort of crap.  If he doesn't want to answer my questions, then fine.  But I will certainly point out when he is acting in bad faith.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:28 AM (dpnZC)

639 632 Here is RM, from two days ago:


"White" America is the only America that can preserve the conservative things you claim to want and like.



Black America can't. (See #BLM)

Latino America can't. (See Latin America)

http://tinyurl.com/gmhwge8

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:23 PM (dpnZC)

++++

Different racial cultures within America have differing political values.

There I said it. Do you deny that it is true, or do you prefer to call me a racist?

There is nothing wrong with discussing the different political views of different groups within America. What RM was talking about was culture, not genetics. To deny that cultural differences exist, or that it is acceptable a preference for one over another is just PC, Leftist bullshit.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 11:29 AM (R+30W)

640 "I'm just too much of a good worker. I arrive early, work my heart out, stay late and pick up stray kittens and puppies on my way home while dropping off food for the elderly." Trump is going to be fantastic for this country. Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 04:18 PM (jofrR) Unless that translates to "work my heart out = blow tons of coke" and "pick up stray kittens = hookers"....I want no part of it.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 11:29 AM (Y3C5w)

641 Actually, chique, Adams is arguing that anti-Trumpers are hypnotized too. Feel free to read posts he has about Megyn Kelly and Hillary at his blog.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 11:29 AM (jVvcc)

642 I really wish you'd pay more attention to his non-cultish support... And put down that hammer. Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2016 04:20 PM (DL2i+) Am I the only one now having "Ace's Silver Hammer" playing in my head now? This thread is fantastic, if you just apply the correct soundtrack. "Bang, bang, Ace's Silver Hammer came down, upon this thread . . ."

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2016 11:29 AM (s5o+q)

643 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 04:25 PM (uURQL)

I'm tired of your faux moral grandstanding.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:30 AM (dpnZC)

644 If he's being truthful that he's been under audit every year for ages then: 1) he hires the wrong accountants and tax attorneys 2) he wasn't serious when he said he'd release them returns Sounds incompetent and/or untruthful to me. Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 04:12 PM (UYQcx) Well, he must have the same accountants and tax attorney's Rush Limbaugh has. Rush has been audited every year for years. He says one of the reasons he doesn't go to NYC anymore is because if he does, he is immediately audited with a "prove you weren't here working" audit. Once you are audited(I'm talking a full on, in the office type of audit), then you are typically going to be audited every year for several years. If they find something they don't like(imagine the length of Trump's returns), then bang, you're under audit again. And the cycle continues. I have a friend who was audited for a small business she owns. Everything was found to be in order. She proceeded to be audited for the next four years. Great fun.... This is one of the great abuses of the IRS. We saw that front and center when people were trying to form independent Tea Party 501c3 groups. Not only were their groups delayed and denied, they were then personally audited. Lois Lerner is still retired and drawing a pension.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 11:30 AM (391wI)

645 I've just opened a bottle of wine and plan to have a great weekend. I'll just leave this last comment for whoever is still here. Trump is the nominee. I couldn't be happier and the sooner you all get on the Trump Train that's going to splat Hillary into an unrecognizable mess the sooner you can enjoy this election season they way us Trump supporters have. Sixteen down ------------------> One nasty bitch to go! It's gonna be a blast. We were just in the pre-party the main event is about to occur. Don't bother being miserable when you can enjoy the party. Go Trump! Go America!

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:31 AM (jofrR)

646 I don't think a really smart constitutionalist who gives off an icky vibe has much of a shot, but he's all I have left now. Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 29, 2016 04:27 PM (1xUj/) I know I'm in a minority, but I couldn't care less what he looks or sounds like. Maybe if there was someone else that I felt was on par with him, that could be the deciding factor. And the thing is in every video that I've seen of him interacting with people, not just giving speeches, be it code pink or the little commie hipster that asked him to sign the Communist Manifesto, he seems to be a very respectful and decent man. Which is probably why Mike Lee was raving mad after what John Boehner said about him.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 11:32 AM (6bMel)

647 Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at April 29, 2016 04:27 PM (kumBu) True, but there is little question that the other demographics lean very, very heavily towards the sorts of governmental setups we find everywhere outside of the Western World - in dozens of countries that are run by those demographics - none of which come even within earshot of the AMerican Constitutional system. chemjeff likes to take his lefty raaaacissst!! outrage to stupid lengths and is working as hard as his pea-brain can afford to deny what Western Civilization has created and maintained (until recently, at least).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2016 11:33 AM (zc3Db)

648 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 04:25 PM (uURQL)

YOU are the one acting in bad faith.

YOU are the one using faux moral outrage as a rhetorical dodge in order to avoid answering questions.

YOU are the one who takes a reasonable interpretation of a statement and turns it into some morality play in order to attack the messenger and deflect from the subject at hand.

Do not deny this is the type of crap that you are pulling because it is as plain as day.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:33 AM (dpnZC)

649 >>>I've just opened a bottle of wine and plan to have a great weekend. what time zone are you in?

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2016 11:34 AM (dciA+)

650 @642 LOL

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:34 AM (jofrR)

651 Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 04:31 PM (jofrR) Is this Trump-booster some sort of truthfully placed sock?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 11:34 AM (Y3C5w)

652 I'm tired of your faux moral grandstanding. Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:30 PM (dpnZC) It's not fake. It's not grandstanding. It's taking you seriously, even though you don't deserve it. Note how my thinking you don't deserve to be taken seriously has not necessarily deprived you of my taking your words seriously.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:35 AM (uURQL)

653 Oh, ferfcksakes! Read what RM actually said and not the spin abbreviated version. Chemjeff is out of line -- again.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at April 29, 2016 11:35 AM (iQIUe)

654 Note how my thinking you don't deserve to be taken seriously has not necessarily deprived you of my taking your words seriously. Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 04:35 PM (uURQL) LOL.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at April 29, 2016 11:36 AM (F6RKd)

655 Sorry M &R. Enjoy your wine. I'm just seeing your support and then "Misfortune & Pestilence" and connecting the two.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 11:36 AM (Y3C5w)

656 Trump being audited is totally normal: I have no problem with that. Promising to release your tax returns and then never doing so? I call that reneging on a promise, and worrisome.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 11:36 AM (UBBWX)

657 Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 04:21 PM (6bMel) Second posting since the darn hamsters ate the last one. I put it down to the impulsiveness, and because he doesn't really care all that deeply about the shibboleths of conservativism. He cares more about broader themes: love of country; that it should do well; that it is being poorly served; that it needs better people. He may hold some conservative beliefs but he doesn't let that get in the way of business or the rest of his life. He wouldn't spend hours on the internet arguing about something - he'd consider that wasteful. So he comes across as thoughtless about conservativism and he would think we are too taken up with minutia. (Remember - I voted for Ted Cruz in the Michigan primary.)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:37 AM (hLRSq)

658 PHANTOM ASS SLAYING !?!

Posted by: AL SHARPTON! at April 29, 2016 11:37 AM (mcm0N)

659 I've just opened a bottle of wine and plan to have a great weekend. Still working for a few hours. However, once I'm finished I be trying another cocktail , perhaps a "Yellow Bird" with this new bottle of rum I've been test driving. So far, the Daiquiri and El Flordita have been excellent.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2016 11:37 AM (0cMkb)

660 So he comes across as thoughtless about conservativism and he would think we are too taken up with minutia. (Remember - I voted for Ted Cruz in the Michigan primary.) Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 04:37 PM (hLRSq) "Loving your country" can manifest itself in many ways...

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 11:38 AM (Y3C5w)

661 "what time zone are you in?" Hawaiian. Nah, Eastern. It's 4:41p.m. I'm early for happy hour. Or late? Have a great weekend everyone!

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:39 AM (jofrR)

662 "Guy Who Can't Understand Why Other People Are Getting Sick of Him" Was this aimed at me?

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 29, 2016 11:39 AM (r1fLd)

663 "This is one of the great abuses of the IRS. We saw that front and center when people were trying to form independent Tea Party 501c3 groups. Not only were their groups delayed and denied, they were then personally audited. Lois Lerner is still retired and drawing a pension. Posted by: Jen the original at April 29, 2016 04:30 PM (391wI)" You are completely right about the IRS. The Lerner/IRS abuse of Tea Party people was so sickening. My issue with Trump and his returns is that he made it sound as though it's been going on for about 12 years. If that's true and there's no "there there", then I would have thought he'd have been screaming to the heavens about being abused. He's had a huge media presence and Twitter following even before he ran for office. This is the sort of thing even the left-wing media would follow. The IRS can be like a bunch of cockroaches - shine enough sunlight on the vermin and they scuttle for cover. Trump isn't shy about complaining when he feels he's being ill-treated. If his accountants and lawyers have advised him to keep quiet, then he shouldn't have told Hugh Hewitt he would release the returns.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 11:40 AM (UYQcx)

664
ace,

Please consider reading Patrick J. Buchanan's latest column which is ironically titled "At Last, America First!".

The link:
http://buchanan.org/blog/last-america-first-125165


(PS: Yes, I have totally converted against the Bush II Neocon foreign policy positions of adventurous interventionism.
I now believe that invading Iraq - even though Obama gave it away - was a TOTAL FUCKING MISTAKE.)

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:41 AM (AhiRu)

665 I wish I could bottle and sell I-told-you-so's. I'm going to have so many of these fucking things stockpiled in about 8 months...If I could sell them for a nickel apiece, maybe that would at least help me, personally, to withstand the brutal ass-pounding that the economy ("ecomony" for you Trump supporters) is going to take, when the rest of the world realizes that we've elected a full-bore retard as POTUS (whichever of the two remaining turds wins), and that IOU's written in lipstick on soggy cocktail napkins might be a safer bet than the US dollar.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 29, 2016 11:41 AM (LqrRo)

666
ace,

Please consider reading Patrick J. Buchanan's latest column which is ironically titled "At Last, America First!".

The link:
http://buchanan.org/blog/last-america-first-125165


(PS: Yes, I have totally converted against the Bush II Neocon foreign policy positions of adventurous interventionism.
I now believe that invading Iraq - even though Obama gave it away - was a TOTAL FUCKING MISTAKE.)

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:42 AM (AhiRu)

667
ace,

Please consider reading Patrick J. Buchanan's latest column which is ironically titled "At Last, America First!".

The link:
http://buchanan.org/blog/last-america-first-125165


(PS: Yes, I have totally converted against the Bush II Neocon foreign policy positions of adventurous interventionism.
I now believe that invading Iraq - even THOUGH Obama gave it away - was a TOTAL FUCKING MISTAKE.)

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:42 AM (AhiRu)

668 "And the thing is in every video that I've seen of him interacting with people, not just giving speeches, be it code pink or the little commie hipster that asked him to sign the Communist Manifesto, he seems to be a very respectful and decent man. Which is probably why Mike Lee was raving mad after what John Boehner said about him. Posted by: chique d'afrique at April 29, 2016 04:32 PM (6bMel)" Bingo. Cruz has a very polite way of handling obvious plants that makes them look like idiots. Carly has a similar approach except she smiles brightly and then castrates them verbally.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 11:42 AM (UYQcx)

669
ace,

Please consider reading Patrick J. Buchanan's latest column which is ironically titled "At Last, America First!".

The link:
http://buchanan.org/blog/last-america-first-125165


(PS: Yes, I have totally converted against the Bush II Neocon foreign policy positions of adventurous interventionism.
I now believe that invading Iraq - even THOUGH Obama gave it away - was a TOTAL FUCKING MISTAKE.)

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:43 AM (AhiRu)

670 happy Trump day y'all ..

Posted by: chemojello at April 29, 2016 11:43 AM (qQk+U)

671 "Misfortune & Pestilence" and connecting the two." "Misfortune & Pestilence" came from a post by Ace. I thought it was funny. He was saying that everyone wishes "Misfortune & Pestilence" on everyone in a funny way. Completely tongue in cheek nick.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:43 AM (jofrR)

672 Here's Ace's one (as far as I can see) take on the Cruz affairs accusations: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/362344.php#362344 Enjoy the primary predictions too.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 11:43 AM (jVvcc)

673
interesting

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:44 AM (AhiRu)

674 "Loving your country" can manifest itself in many ways... Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 04:38 PM (Y3C5w) Absolutely. I do not doubt Cruz supporters, Trump supporters, Kasich supporters, and supporters of every other candidate that threw their hats into the GOP love the country. They just have different interests or see some interests as more important than other people do. When we all start agreeing on the same thing to the same intensity - then I get worried.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:44 AM (hLRSq)

675 Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 04:43 PM (AhiRu)

Are you working on commission?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 11:44 AM (R+30W)

676
Free at last!!!!!???


Thank God almighty!

Who do I email? 

I'm ready!

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:45 AM (AhiRu)

677 And here's my thought on the larger question of demographics, culture, ideology, and genetics:

First, ideology is NOT genetic.  It is simply wrong and IMO bigoted to ascribe ideological beliefs to a skin color.

Second, culture is different from race.  One doesn't have to belong to a particular race in order to consider oneself a part of the culture that may be predominantly shared by (genetic) members of that race.

Third, even if the ethos of a culture is not predisposed to agreeing with a conservative viewpoint, that is somewhat besides the point.  Conservatives shouldn't try to turn "black culture" into something else than "black culture", conservatives should be trying to persuade individuals within different cultures how the timeless, universal principles of limited government and free markets can appeal to them regardless of what their cultural values might hold.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:45 AM (dpnZC)

678 Oh, and I'll try again for a last post. I'm serious about my support for Trump.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 11:45 AM (jofrR)

679
...Never mind.

New post... I get it.

Oh well.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:47 AM (AhiRu)

680 Oh, and I'll try again for a last post. I'm serious about my support for Trump. Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at April 29, 2016 04:45 PM (jofrR) What is the service like? Are their hymns? (I am kidding! I am kidding!)

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Hire Instigators, Inc. to Spice Up Your Formal Dinner! An Outrage Outlet subsidiary. at April 29, 2016 11:47 AM (hLRSq)

681 Second,
culture is different from race. One doesn't have to belong to a
particular race in order to consider oneself a part of the culture that
may be predominantly shared by (genetic) members of that race.


Preach it, Brother!

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at April 29, 2016 11:48 AM (R+30W)

682 Hate to be late to the party, but if the establishment is gonna block Cruz, maybe we should make it clear that we'll all write-in Bernie. If you are so against conservatives, have a communist. It's a great FU to both parties. Unfortunately to America as well.

Posted by: Glen at April 29, 2016 11:48 AM (YVO43)

683 Here's Ace's one (as far as I can see) take on the Cruz affairs accusations: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/362344.php#362344 Enjoy the primary predictions too. Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2016 04:43 PM (jVvcc) Parallel accusations of a different party do not count as coverage of the event, IMO. Is more distraction than coverage. But that's ace's right. ace's blog, ace's rules.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 11:49 AM (uURQL)

684 Who else but Trump would misfortune and pestilence support? He's also garnered the endorsements of crushing poverty, despair, and misery. They love his protectionism. Death is still on the fence, but he's got it narrowed down to either Trump or Hillary.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 29, 2016 11:50 AM (LqrRo)

685 Trump won't love this country until he's gold-plated the top floor and evicted the little old lady living in the rent-controlled one-bedroom on the ground floor.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 29, 2016 11:50 AM (Kucy5)

686 Preach it, Brother!

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at April 29, 2016 04:48 PM (R+30W)


Actually, I don't really care that Rachel Dolezal decided that "black culture" appealed more to her than "white culture".  The disturbing part of course was trying to fraudulently pass herself off as having the appearance of a black person.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 11:50 AM (dpnZC)

687 Trump needs to do something with his repetitive, mostly incoherent , scattered , one or two syllable word speech pattern . It's embarrassing.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 29, 2016 11:51 AM (oGE0z)

688
'Right' Glen @ weirdo comment #648, 

The Establishment is going to "block Cruz" by awarding the nomination to the winner of the most delegates, the most primary wins, and the largest raw voter total EVER.

What the hell planet are you from again?





Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:51 AM (AhiRu)

689 688 Preach it, Brother!



Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at April 29, 2016 04:48 PM (R+30W)
Actually, I don't really care that Rachel Dolezal decided that "black culture" appealed more to her than "white culture". The disturbing part of course was trying to fraudulently pass herself off as having the appearance of a black person.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 29, 2016 04:50 PM (dpnZC)

++++

What are your thoughts on Bruce "Caitlyn" Jenner?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 11:52 AM (R+30W)

690
Richard @ out of touch comment # 689,

Nice fantasy.

Hey, shouldn't you be over at Democrat Underground begging to suck on on Hillary's deformed clit-thing?




Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:54 AM (AhiRu)

691 You want me to read something by a guy who says we should not have intervened in WWII because Hiltler hadn't done anything to us?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at April 29, 2016 11:55 AM (oGE0z)

692 I don't quite understand the Trump supporters who glibly insist Trump will win You've seen the evil machinations and huge money laundering of Hillary Clinton and you still think her defeat is guaranteed?!!)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2016 11:56 AM (w4NZ8)

693 I'm tired of your faux moral grandstanding. The Irony Meter! She cannae take any more, Captain Ed!

Posted by: lt. commander montgomery scott at April 29, 2016 11:58 AM (jVvcc)

694
Joe,

Buchanan has repeatedly said that we SHOULD have gotten involved AFTER we were attacked.

To the best of my knowledge, Buchanan has NEVER staked out a position as to whether we should have come to Britain's assistance once they had gotten themselves embroiled in WWII.

What part of that history confused you again???


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 11:58 AM (AhiRu)

695 Notice how it's everyone else's fault that Cruz isn't winning?

Could it be that either his message or him is not resonating with the voters? And in that case it's all on him?

I think if he just spoke like a human being instead of a debater or tent revivalist he would have gone farther. I know I couldn't bear listening to him for very long and if I'm not listening, I'm not being persuaded.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 29, 2016 11:58 AM (Xo1Rt)

696 http://www.jemmsystems.com/songs/Laura.mp3

Posted by: chemojello at April 29, 2016 11:58 AM (qQk+U)

697
With all due respect Fenelon @ #694:

Why not support the GOP nominee (TRUMP) and find out? 

If we (Trump supporters) are wrong, then that will be plain soon enough.




Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:01 PM (AhiRu)

698 Ace, you're an Establishment type. You're not fooling anyone, or I should say, you're not fooling most people. It's incredible - #NeverTrumpers are destroying everything they built for themselves the years they were pretending to be conservatives. When the chips are down, we see who has thrown in their lot with the Globalists and Ruling Class.

Posted by: Zodiac Killer at April 29, 2016 12:03 PM (kwHPo)

699 Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 05:01 PM (AhiRu) I didn't say that I wouldn't support him. I don't like him, I don't trust him. I don't think he'll live up to any promise he's made and I don't think he'll win, but I'll vote for him over Hillary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2016 12:04 PM (w4NZ8)

700
Hey Joe @ comment # 693,

Were you going to provide some link or other reference that indicated that Patrick J. Buchanan had claimed that we should not have come to Britain's aid against Hitler?

I'm open minded enough to want to know if he (Buchanan) ever made such a claim.
I would diverge with him on that point.
But until you (or someone) make it there's no reason to believe it.






Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:04 PM (AhiRu)

701

Fair enough Fenelon @ #701.

A Trump Supporter can't ask for more from someone who doesn't like Trump.


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:05 PM (AhiRu)

702 "Notice how it's everyone else's fault that Cruz isn't winning?"


I think Rush has been hitting on this.
He speaks of Cruz being a true conservative and an upright man. He also is saying -bring it-.  Ted should aggressively take it to Cruz and to the GOPe. 

The problem is that Cruz is not an animated aggressive.  Thankfully he's brought a pit bull on board. 


Posted by: Ralph at April 29, 2016 12:07 PM (Mo4sx)

703 When the chips are down, we see who has thrown in their lot with the Globalists and Ruling Class. Posted by: Zodiac Killer at April 29, 2016 05:03 PM (kwHPo) You're late. Let's hope the Kremlin doesn't figure that out.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 12:08 PM (Y3C5w)

704 And I sincerely hope that Trump give me reason TO like him and trust him and believe what he says in the next six months because I have never voted for anyone I disliked before. They may not have been my first choice, but I didn't dislike them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2016 12:09 PM (w4NZ8)

705
ace,

With all due respect, I would like to know if Zodiac Killer is on to something in his comment @ #700.

Do you favor the Neocon foreign policy positions of interventionism? (Frankly, I used to.)
Do you not see what a mistake it was to invade Iraq?

I think your readers deserve to know.





Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:09 PM (AhiRu)

706 He also is saying -bring it-. Ted should aggressively take it to Cruz and to the GOPe. Well, there's your problem right there.

Posted by: a mechanic at April 29, 2016 12:09 PM (jVvcc)

707 >>>He also is saying -bring it-. Ted should aggressively take it to Cruz and to the GOPe.
Well, there's your problem right there.
.Posted by: a mechanic at April 29, 2016 05:09 PM (jVvcc) <<<


Ha!  You got me there.

Posted by: Ralph at April 29, 2016 12:12 PM (Mo4sx)

708 Ace must be getting alot of traffic or his site's scripts are effing up loading the homepage. Anyone else having troubles with loading or is it just me?

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 12:13 PM (jVvcc)

709 Ralph.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at April 29, 2016 12:13 PM (jVvcc)

710 Yes.

Posted by: Ralph at April 29, 2016 12:13 PM (Mo4sx)

711
Fenelon @ # 706,

I hope that Trump manages to win your appreciation (in addition to the support you're already willing to give) in the coming months too.

Maybe he won't.
But perhaps many of those who thus far haven't cared for Trump's personal style/approach will find themselves gravitating toward him as a persona the more they listen to his impromptu speeches.

I did.

Originally, I wall I wanted Trump for was to 'stick it' to the Establishment.

Then he wont my full and enthusiastic support by his position on Border Security and Illegal Immigration.

But lately, he has generally won me over.
As a staunch conservative, I'm not likely going to agree with Trump on everything.
But I don't have to.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:15 PM (AhiRu)

712 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 02:47 PM (R+30W)

Thanks, but if conservatism is going to be nothing but naked cultural tribalism, you should know that my cultural tribe isn't yours. I thought nothing of it when my now obviously false and absurdly generous perception of your tribe was that it was principal-oriented, liberty oriented, respectful and gracious toward others, ideologically articulate, and responsible about the future of this nation. I was wrong, so I'll stop pretending. When will you stop pretending you're offering us anything better than a Clinton presidency (which I can at least have the peace of mind of knowing will be challenged in 4 years)? Something that isn't just you wish-casting fantasies about your candidate. None of the rest of us even remotely understand what you're basing these beliefs about a Trump candidacy on, and you're not just gonna herd us into it with your aggressive insistence. If Trump is so awesome he can change the map, he can go work a little harder for more of those working class white votes and disaffected BernieBros that are just gonna come pouring in. Or maybe consider doing something to EARN ours, if you want it so bad. That starts with convincing us Trump winning the general is a victory for us, not just for you. If threatening us with Hillary mattered, you wouldn't need to bother. We already know about her, we've known for quite some time in fact.

FYI: Trump isn't the only Republican candidate this primary cycle I wouldn't vote for. I wouldn't vote for Jeb, Kasich, or Huckabee. I probably wouldn't vote for Santorum or Christie, and I would like to think I wouldn't vote for Rubio over immigration, though I probably would've caved on that one. But Trump is the only candidate I will go to the polls to vote for a Democrat against.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 12:17 PM (jCH/T)

713
typo corrections for my comment #713:

"Originally, ALL I wanted..."

And:

"Then he WON my..."


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:18 PM (AhiRu)

714 Ace must be getting alot of traffic or his site's scripts are effing up loading the homepage. Anyone else having troubles with loading or is it just me? Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2016 05:13 PM (jVvcc) Switched to Brave from Pale Moon so I could actually read this site.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 12:19 PM (uURQL)

715 "He wouldn't spend hours on the internet arguing about something - he'd consider that wasteful. " If this is about Trump, that's hilarious because he's on twitter to all hours of the night.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 12:20 PM (UBBWX)

716 Also, I have some bad news: merely "loving your country" doesn't mean your policies will work or be good. Having "good instincts" doesn't really work either, as often counter-intuitive is the reality.

Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2016 12:22 PM (UBBWX)

717
Monster @ #716,

I just opened ace's page.
No problem.

Maybe try closing and restarting your browser? 


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:25 PM (AhiRu)

718 Monster @ #716, I just opened ace's page. No problem. Maybe try closing and restarting your browser? Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 05:25 PM (AhiRu) Might be something to do with cookies and one's specific computer settings.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster Bravely supporting kittens at April 29, 2016 12:26 PM (uURQL)

719 But Trump is the only candidate I will go to the polls to vote for a Democrat against. Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 05:17 PM (jCH/T) Whoah. I've been pondering Gary Johnson or abstaining, but not Hillary. You mean that Democrat or a Democrat?

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 12:28 PM (Y3C5w)

720 Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 05:17 PM (jCH/T)

When will you stop pretending you're offering us anything better than a Clinton presidency (which I can at least have the peace of mind of knowing will be challenged in 4 years)?

And

But Trump is the only candidate I will go to the polls to vote for a Democrat against.

So, you are saying you are against Trump because he is like a Clinton, but if Trump is the nominee, you will vote for Clinton?

I don't know what to say to convince you of anything.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 12:30 PM (R+30W)

721 I don't know what to say to convince you of anything. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 05:30 PM (R+30W) Yeah, we Republicans feel the same way sometimes.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 12:33 PM (Y3C5w)

722 Ace, stop being such a whining baby about a Trump, projecting your florid fantasies about how bad a president he will be when all we really know is that he is a political neophyte who cares very much about defending the country from illegal immigration and Islamofascist invasion. Oh, and he wants to appoint justices on the model of Scalia, stop the genocide of Christians by Muslims that is taking place around the globe, and press for national gun carry rights. So he's whacked on trade and a few other things. It will be on Congress to get something right for once. We don't need a president to be everything. A few strong points is GOOD by historical standards. So he goes off when Megan Kelly decides to play Candy Crowley. You freak out, I laugh out loud. He doesn't just punch back twice as hard, he jokes back twice, spits back three times and pisses back four. Apparently that is what it takes to be the only national Republican since Reagan to defy and defeat political correctness, so okay then, piss back it is. I preferred Walker, Fiorina and Cruz, experienced people who actually have a clue on matters of domestic policy, but Trump is a-okay with me. Congress will have to do their job for once. Boo hoo.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at April 29, 2016 12:33 PM (5SpNa)

723 "Ace, you're an Establishment type. You're not fooling anyone, or I should say, you're not fooling most people. It's incredible - #NeverTrumpers are destroying everything they built for themselves the years they were pretending to be conservatives. When the chips are down, we see who has thrown in their lot with the Globalists and Ruling Class. Posted by: Zodiac Killer at April 29, 2016 05:03 PM (kwHPo)" Um, I really think you should reconsider that statement. Ace has never come across like a member of the establishment. He's opposed amnesty for illegal immigration and a host of other things that beltway GOP types favor. He was at least "Trump-curious" until he concluded that we were seeing "Peak Conservative Trump" while the goal was to win with GOP voters. Ace lives in New York. He can afford to be #NeverTrump. You saw the primary vote totals. Hillary's vote totals exceeded all three GOP candidates put together. Trump can vow to walk down Broadway holding a lovely Melania over his head in a gymnast split while she's nude and he's not going to be able to attract enough Dem voters to win the state in November.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 12:34 PM (UYQcx)

724 We don't need a president to be everything. Posted by: Alec Rawls at April 29, 2016 05:33 PM (5SpNa) I strongly agree with you on that, however, he seems to be promising to be everything to everyone. If Cruz doesn't make it and Trump does win vs. Clinton, I hope Cruz, Lee, et al are huge pains in the ass.

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 12:36 PM (Y3C5w)

725 Trump can vow to walk down Broadway holding a lovely Melania over his head in a gymnast split while she's nude and he's not going to be able to attract enough Dem voters to win the state in November. Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 05:34 PM (UYQcx) Newsletter, please

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 12:37 PM (Y3C5w)

726 Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 29, 2016 05:30 PM (R+30W)

Not what I said. But yeah, I think Trump is way worse than anyone else in American politics, including either Clinton. I was interested conservatism because it made sense to me. Trumpism makes no sense to me, and I am completely uninterested in it. Don't normally vote for Democrats because I don't want the U.S. to be like Europe, but I'd much rather it be like Europe than be like Latin America, where fake tough guys who award themselves medals run things on arbitrary, vaguely populism defined, egocentric whims. Seems to be a reasonable choice to me.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 12:39 PM (jCH/T)

727
Alec @ #724,

Well and entertainingly put!
- You did an excellent job at succinctly (and humorously) describing Trump's personal approach to the down and dirty business of politics.

Regarding the issue of "free" trade, may I suggest you give Patrick J. Buchanan's book, _Where The Right Went Wrong_ a read?

I think it might change your (and others') perspective.

Buchanan is not against free trade against other first-world nations paying the labor costs to produce goods.
But he does believe serious tariffs must be imposed against goods produced from third-world countries that employ near-slave cheap labor without humanitarian protections.
- I have come to agree.
And you might also if you give the arguments a chance.


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:40 PM (AhiRu)

728 "Trump can vow to walk down Broadway holding a lovely Melania over his head in a gymnast split while she's nude and he's not going to be able to attract enough Dem voters to win the state in November. Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 05:34 PM (UYQcx) Newsletter, please Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 05:37 PM (Y3C5w)" That analogy might have been a little rude on my part.... I like Melania, she's behaved with far more class during this whole period than her goofy husband. Seriously though, check out the British GQ spread that Donald had her posing in when he was mulling over running for President on the Reform Party ticket in 2000. That's where Liz Mair got the photo that the "Make America Awesome" PAC used in the anti-Trump Facebook ad in Utah that made Trump so mad. Mair used the tamest photo in that spread. I thought the photo came from a modeling job, but no, it came from an interview of Trump where he had her around for decoration.

Posted by: Jill v2 at April 29, 2016 12:45 PM (UYQcx)

729 eff you. I'll just only vote for libertarians from now on

Posted by: uppity conservative at April 29, 2016 12:46 PM (ApnJf)

730 ace said > Go away

All you have to do is ban the word Trump. (like you did  b l a z e r )
Ban all mention of Trump.
It's your blog.
Problem solved.

What ever happened to Rum?

Posted by: cind at April 29, 2016 12:46 PM (nRbbW)

731

Let me clean my last comment @ #729 some.

Buchanan DOES believe in free-trade with other first-world nations who have to deal with the cost of purchasing relatively expensive labor in order to produce goods.

But Buchanan also believes that goods imported from third-world countries that were produced for near-slave-labor costs should have tariffs imposed upon them.
- If Reagan had not done so in the 1980's, the big three automakers would have been put out of business by cheap labor. (Yes, Reagan imposed tariffs!)

Now that's something to consider!! 


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:47 PM (AhiRu)

732 #692 You need to check the definition of "stoic", Trumpkinhead.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 29, 2016 12:51 PM (Kucy5)

733

Hey, "dick" @ SLOW comment #734,

You need to look up the word "ironic".

- Or did you not notice the word "testy" which preceded the word "stoic"?

What do you think, 'moron'?


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 12:55 PM (AhiRu)

734 #692 As for my point: http://goo.gl/6U2cUF and then http://goo.gl/x2YfzN

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 29, 2016 12:59 PM (Kucy5)

735 @ 700 Zodiac Killer Shame on you. This is a safe place!

Posted by: The White Knights of AoSHQ at April 29, 2016 01:01 PM (xpmPK)

736
Little slow there, huh "Dick" Mcenroe @ 734.

Apparently your comebacks are about as sharp and insightful as your initial 'thrusts'.

- That's okay. I'll let you off the hook.
Don't bother attempting a feeble response. No need to embarrass yourself further. 
 

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:01 PM (AhiRu)

737 I wonder if Trump supporters have actually never observed a con-man run his game at any point in their personal lives. Or maybe they have, but they just think of him as the cool, relatable guy who left his wife and kid in his car around the block, and could sure use $40 for a tow, and if you give him your number, he'll get your money back to you.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 01:05 PM (jCH/T)

738

"Dick" @ #736,

Keep suckin' that deformed clit-thing. (Hillary's, that is.)
Let us know when you've earned your "knee-pads" for the Democratic Underground.




 

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:06 PM (AhiRu)

739 test

Posted by: jacke at April 29, 2016 01:09 PM (i8Shl)

740

highlander @ truly-weirdo comment #739,


It truly sounds like you're speaking from personal experience in the way you told your sicko-story.
Sorry you've been ripped off by con artists and then had to pay them money to get them to let you have your ride back and all of that. You must be some kind of rube.

Anyway, what kind of experience do you have interacting with WILDLY SUCCESSFUL BILLIONAIRES again?

- Missed that part.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:10 PM (AhiRu)

741 Hey Ace, ...The previous two cycles it's been Ron Paul or Sarah Palin. Now Donald Trump is the magnet for people who just Want To Believe.
You should try to meet more Trump supporters. What you say is nothing close to the truth for most of his supporters. For most, one of the first thing they bring up is his many deficiencies and how they are willing to overlook these due to crisis the US is in. Of course, it's difficult to find most Trump supporters because the vast majority remain quiet. In fact if asked directly in public most won't admit it for fear of public reprisals by liberal fascist and #nevertrumps.

Posted by: jacke at April 29, 2016 01:11 PM (i8Shl)

742 Ted, how high up is that basketball ring again? Jimmie Chitwood will only play if Ted is not the nominee.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 01:14 PM (H7eLj)

743 739 This!^^^ Take that stupid Trumpsters!

Posted by: The White Knights of AoSHQ at April 29, 2016 01:17 PM (xpmPK)

744 739 Who is the real con-man, the guy that gets delegates by actually winning elections, or the guy who gets delegates by making closed-door deals with party bosses?

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 01:19 PM (H7eLj)

745

Hey, wanna be "Knight" @ comment #745,

Your lame 'ditto'-reference is not nearly as strong as my response @ comment # 742.
 



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:21 PM (AhiRu)

746
Hey, wannabe "Knight" @ comment #745,

Why don't you try 'thinking' out loud for yourself?
Or is that too hard?


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:23 PM (AhiRu)

747 Europe than be like Latin America, where fake tough guys who award themselves medals run things on arbitrary, vaguely populism defined, egocentric whims. Seems to be a reasonable choice to me. Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 05:39 PM (jCH/T) Irony abound

Posted by: West Town at April 29, 2016 01:24 PM (kk9w/)

748 Anyway, what kind of experience do you have interacting with WILDLY SUCCESSFUL BILLIONAIRES again?
- Missed that part.

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 06:10 PM (AhiRu)


This is laughable, everyone knows it's his daddy's money. Wildly talented business moguls have more profitable uses of their time than starring in reality shows with D-list celebrities. Bezos and Buffet don't need to stick their last names in giant letters on towers, and find new gimmicks to sell their brand name in new markets where the dummies haven't wised up yet. No first generation billionaire (and as ace points out, we don't actually know that he is a billionaire, he's sued twice for defamataion over people claiming his fortune is smaller than he says it is, and lost both times) acts like Trump. Nobody with a 3 digit IQ who isn't named Scott Adams buys into any of this.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 01:27 PM (jCH/T)

749 747 Listen pal, this is a safe place. The tone has been set from the top. Now genuflect before the greatness of Ace, you stupid plebe!

Posted by: The White Knights of AoSHQ at April 29, 2016 01:28 PM (xpmPK)

750
751,

Nah.
I'll leave the bowing, stooping, and scraping to those who CLEAN the safe space.





Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:31 PM (AhiRu)

751
....(ahem), that would be YOU, wannabe "Knight".

Didn't realize I'd have to explain the OBVIOUS.




Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:34 PM (AhiRu)

752 Guess what winners get to do ?

Posted by: Prom Queen at April 29, 2016 01:38 PM (8ZHTC)

753
Naive highlander @ comment #750,

If you stupidly want to believe that Trump inherited billions of dollars (despite any shred of evidence to that effect) - that's your problem.
No one elses. 

Don't blame ace for your total lack of commonsense.

That's all on you, fool.





Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:39 PM (AhiRu)

754 Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 06:19 PM (H7eLj)

As if you wouldn't be voting for Cruz in the alternate universe where Trump died in his mid-60s of prostrate cancer, and never entered this primary.

Those are the Republican primary rules, and so far they've been serving your guy just fine. They are deliberately designed to prevent a candidate (any candidate, not just Trump) who can't consolidate party support, which your guy can't but will probably win the primary anyway. You're under no obligation to support the Republican party if you don't like those rules, and neither of us is under any obligation to support the Republican party if we don't like their candidate. Nobody's been conned. And the moral value of a majority democratic vote has been pretty well repudiated by our current president, and I starting to suspect will be by any future presidents over the next several decades.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 01:41 PM (jCH/T)

755
Low-IQ Highlander @ comment #756,

You provide a twisted (but none too bright) rationale for stomping on ANY popular grassroots movement that comes along.

'Congratulations' - I guess.



 

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:45 PM (AhiRu)

756 Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 06:39 PM (AhiRu)

Neither of us have seen his tax returns, and he's intent on keeping it that way. We do know it was daddy's business, though. And Trump University certainly isn't turning out any visionary new billionaires.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 01:47 PM (jCH/T)

757 The problem with uniting behind Trump is that he is actually worse than Hillary. So I think conservatives have to bite the bullet and think outside the partisan box and either vote for a third party candidate or vote for Hillary. If up against Hillary donor Trump, Hillary is objectively the most conservative candidate. She's also, (I hate to say), a more decent human being than Trump, and less of a threat to our family's society and the republic. Lifelong GOP voter, but I'd have no choice but to vote for Hillary or join a third party. Perhaps Trump is just the final gasp of the GOP, and it's time to finally start a new party that will, over the next few cycles, replace the GOP.

Posted by: Dustin at April 29, 2016 01:47 PM (a7sQX)

758 759 Keep hearing this stupid argument. How exactly is Trump worse than Hillary?

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 01:49 PM (H7eLj)

759
Highlander,


Why don't you just spend your time and energy in accordance with your true nature?

Go over to Democratic Underground and beg to suck Hillary Clinton's clit-thing.

It's pretty damn obvious that you're going to promote her for president.

So why not get busy for her already?

You're not fooling anyone here.

 

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:50 PM (AhiRu)

760 Look guys these put downs of Ace are totally uncalled for. So what if he voted for Bill Clinton and threatened to vote for Hillary? The guy has our best interests at heart.

Posted by: The White Knights of AoSHQ at April 29, 2016 01:50 PM (xpmPK)

761 Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 06:45 PM (AhiRu)

Do explain. Low IQ folk like me need these things laid out for us.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 01:53 PM (jCH/T)

762

Highlander @ # 758,

Bwahahahaha!
And you've never seen my tax returns either, fool. - And you never will. So what?

You've obviously never been involved in an IRS audit.
But I have.

And Trump (and his advising counsel) are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT that you do not make public disclosures while an audit is underway.

Apparently you think Trump inherited the MULTI-BILLIONS of dollars he built.

You keep making references to the fact that Trump had a Dad.
So what? So did I. Did you, fool?

Do really want to claim that Trump's father bequeathed him a BILLION dollars??

Where is your evidence, you halfwit?


 


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:57 PM (AhiRu)

763 756 I would not support Ted Cruz in any election any year with or without Donald Trump in it. Ted is not a good candidate to win in a general presidential election. He has a nasally voice, he has a weird looking smile, he speaks as if he's constantly giving a political stump speech. He is not natural, and will not relate to non-politically engaged voters who only show up in presidential years. Like it or not, these are the realities we deal with every four years.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 01:57 PM (H7eLj)

764

Wannabe "Knight" @ #762,

Not working, dude.

Get a new act.
Really.


Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 01:59 PM (AhiRu)

765
Okay, Low-IQ Highlander, times up! 
I've explained it to you several times now.

So.... do you REALLY want to claim that Donald Trump's father left him a BILLION dollars? (Yes, that's BILLION with a "B".) 

That's a yes or no question.

Let's have an answer.

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:01 PM (AhiRu)

766

.....The theme to Jeopardy is playing, Highlander.

Come on, let's have a yes or no answer already!

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:02 PM (AhiRu)

767 @725 - Me and many others are not buying Ace's "Trump Curious" phase. You don't go from maybe liking Trump to despising him and voting for Hillary. I call shenanigans. Nah, like many other pundits, Ace pretended to like Trump and hope beyond hope that he would shit himself and get laughed out of the primaries. Didn't happen. Trump actually turned out to be pretty damn good at this stuff and starting gathering momentum. Before they perceived him as a threat, the #Never Trumpers remained hidden and work the insidious undermining game (damn with faint praise, state half-truths, engage in distortions) all to *hopefully* bend the public's perception of the ogre known as Trump. (For a taste of deceptive punditry at its finest, sample any Allahpundit blog post.) But Trump's skill at deflection and political jiu-jitsu combined with his ability to tap into the rage of the oppressed middle class in this county enabled him to barrell past the "Republican" and "Conservative" "thinkers" who have been successful in the past framing the limits of their notion of conservatism. Trump started exposing the whole rotten lot of Conservative Punditry as a weak and impotent enabler of a hidden oligarchy. Once Trump started crushing it in primaries, the #NeverTrumpers mobilized, but it was way too late. Ace's sudden revulsion at Trump when he was "Trump curious" before, which happened to coincide right around the same time that NeverTrumpers started to surface. Ace was manipulating his readers. Bottom line. Come out strong for Trump, when it's obvious he is hitting on ALL of the issues that have weakened this country, will cause the Establishment-loving readership to hiss and moan. Ace may not have been paid off like other pundits (hello Mark Levin!), but he was way too sensitive to being shunned by the Smart Set. Pretty fucking sad. This place used to be THE best blog for conservatives. But Ace's shrill stumping for the #NeverTrump cause has hollowed this place out. A lot of wit and wisdom has left for good. Many of the commenters here have successfully created a Cruz echo chamber, which has sapped this place of verve and edginess. Ace messed up in two ways: 1) backing a phony like Cruz; 2) and adopting the rampant elitism of the #NeverTrumpers. #1 is OK: we all have our favorite candidates; if they lose, we back the party winner. #2 is going to be more damaging to the #NeverTrumpers than they could possibly realize. The Republican party is in a once-in-a-generation realignment and the #NeverTrumpers are basically marginalizing themselves and will soon find that they have no political home or influence.

Posted by: Zodiac Killer at April 29, 2016 02:04 PM (kwHPo)

768

Oh, for Pete's Sake, Highlander!

How slow do you have to be to not be able to answer a straightforward and easy question as that?

Come on, man. Really!

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:05 PM (AhiRu)

769 760 759 Keep hearing this stupid argument. How exactly is Trump worse than Hillary?

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 06:49 PM (H7eLj)

1) It's probably over in 4 years

2) She doesn't leave the only viable opposition to the Republican party in ruins

3) She's pro-Israel, which I know isn't a selling point for many of the Trump people, but it is for me

4) The last Clinton was relatively friendly to market capitalism in retrospect, and (I never imagined I'd say this) conducted his extra-marrital affairs with greater dignity and empathy for his family than the current Republican front-runner

5) Her egomania is not her only defining characteristic

6) People like you get spared the embarrassment you'll inevitably experience, when the cult of personality fades like Obamas a few months in, and the followers still capable of feeling shame start having second thoughts

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 02:11 PM (jCH/T)

770
Zodiac Killer @ # 769,

Damn. Damn Damn.

I don't want to believe that.
Really I don't.

And yet there is something to what you say that has the ring of truth.

I do remember ace's "Trump Curious" phase. And now that you mention it, I also remember ace turning on a dime and suddenly being starkly Anti-Trump.

Damn.

I really don't want to believe that ace was manipulating his readers.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:12 PM (AhiRu)

771 That's a yes or no question.

Let's have an answer.

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 07:01 PM (AhiRu)


One I don't have an answer to, so I don't presume to guess. If I had to guess, I would say no, and he's never really been a billionaire (or was briefly, and no longer is).

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 02:14 PM (jCH/T)

772
ace,

If what ZK is claiming ain't true, please say it ain't so. (Regardless of my commenting status.)

I think that's a fair thing to request of you.

Were you EVER serious that you could get behind Trump????

Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:15 PM (AhiRu)

773 Wow, Trumplican I really do have better things to do than respond to your comments in real time. I can barely respect myself for responding to you as frequently as I have. I'll tell you one thing, though. This is a very good-looking group of people here. Could I just go around so I know who the hell I'm talking to?

<leaves to go talk to people who don't believe magic cults of personality, which they pretend are grass roots movements>

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 02:22 PM (jCH/T)

774
Highlander @ comment #773,

With all due respect, I truly appreciate the honesty of your answer to the question as to whether Donald Trump's father bequeathed to him a billion dollars.
Your answer is that YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

But that honest answer undermines your prior strident position that Trump's financial success is strictly owed to his father granting it to him.
Consider that you even go so far in your last comment as to admit that Trump 'may' have made in excess of a billion dollars.

Do you not realize that you have utterly undercut your (again) very strident claim that he's not a billionaire.

By the way, however many BILLIONS the Donald is worth: the notion that he is a BILLIONAIRE has not been sustained by the Donald alone.
Fortune 500 and other publications have sustained that claim.

- Or (new yes-or-no question!) do you want to say that you know more than the editors of Fortune 500 who the 'real' billionaires are?




Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:22 PM (AhiRu)

775
Go ahead and leave, Low-IQ Highlander. (Notes that your last pathetic comment occurs in the same time-stamp as mine own at 7:22pm.)

You really should leave.

You've been stomped all over.
Best to save yourself further embarrassment.

- I commend you on cutting your massive ego losses and running away with your tail between your legs.

Don't feel too bad.
Because you really were making bizarre claims that were wholly out-of-touch with the facts.
They were impossible to defend. So it's best you went back to your normal life of playing online video games where your 'intellect' is not exposed for what it is.



Posted by: Testy Stoic Trumpublican at April 29, 2016 02:26 PM (AhiRu)

776 771 Hillary wants open borders, has created chaos after chaos as Sec State, has failed at every level of her career. She is a dishonest liar, and is facing a probable FBI recommendation for the Justice Dept to pursue charges against her. To suggest that she would be a better choice than Trump is asinine.

Posted by: Gobbagoo at April 29, 2016 02:29 PM (H7eLj)

777 769 Zodiac Killer Damn straight. Ace must have been getting advice from his boy Allahpundit on how to piss away his readership in a couple of easy steps. ZK you're on a roll!

Posted by: David Silver at April 29, 2016 02:30 PM (DEJix)

778 Laughable that folks here are arguing that Hillary would be better than Trump.

Posted by: David Silver at April 29, 2016 02:32 PM (DEJix)

779 Does Pence's pathetic endorsement of Cruz really garner all of this anger? There are soooo many things to point and laugh at lately that this Pence thing shouldn't really have been a blip on the radar. Pardon me, it isn't a blip on the radar. But hey. It has been a hoot watching the #nevertrump people who touted themselves as the purest of the pure all turn into Charles Johnson almost over night. Just think of all of the lil Charles Johnsons who you have had cordial conversations over the past few years before their masks dropped. Pretty scary stuff actually but what the heck. Turn those frowns upside down and enjoy the day.

Posted by: Drider at April 29, 2016 02:33 PM (6Xbsz)

780 Agreed. Since Ace's spectacular meltdown the masthead should be changed to: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and take his ball home"

Posted by: David Silver at April 29, 2016 02:43 PM (DEJix)

781 We have seen predictions for the last six months that have turned out to be false. The media compulsively every day makes pronouncements and yet they are confounded when their predictions don't work. No one knows what will happen.

Posted by: Jane at April 29, 2016 03:01 PM (TQ+Dp)

782 Pence is toast in Indiana. He couldn't possibly alienate more people than he already has, and this "endorsement" (if that's what is was) is a shining example of his lameness.

Posted by: dcd-in-indiana at April 29, 2016 03:47 PM (S8vXB)

783 test

Posted by: Bat Belfry at April 29, 2016 03:51 PM (B7Uun)

784 "They are deliberately designed to prevent a candidate (any candidate, not just Trump) who can't consolidate party support, which your guy can't but will probably win the primary anyway."

You misspelled 'donor' in that sentence, but it's true either way.  Anyone with enough money to burn on influence buying is going to switch to someone even semi-hostile to him if there's a good chance that he's going to win anyway.  No ideological or party "obligations" are going to change that, they're weapons for sweeping out sneaks.

"You're under no obligation to support the Republican party if you don't like those rules, and neither of us is under any obligation to support the Republican party if we don't like their candidate."

The "lack of obligation" retreat is precisely why your conservative politics have failed repeatedly against lightweights.  Easy outs, easy divorces over stupid things, observers don't take you seriously, you have a lack of cohesion or effectiveness in national politics.  Sad!

"Nobody's been conned."

'Conned' is ultimately in the eyes of the reasonable jurist.  Myself, I say that if support drops or shifts sharply once the details of the process are made public, 'con' starts to have a lot more rhetorical weight.  As it does when the targeting is mainly toward the aging, the low-IQ, and the hyper-religious!

"And the moral value of a majority democratic vote has been pretty well repudiated by our current president, and I starting to suspect will be by any future presidents over the next several decades."

Get fucked, you forked-tongue weasel.  If you can't make a public verbal distinction between the permanent parasite and populist producer class on an OSTENSIBLY CONSERVATIVE FORUM, or why the voices, histories, desires, and fortunes of one are more important to listen and pay attention to even though the votes are theoretically equal (how about some calling for franchise restriction?) you have no business calling yourself anything other than a liberal.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 29, 2016 04:19 PM (61Gds)

785 The establishment would have preferred Cruz, because Cruz was a "True Conservative" and he would have lost to Hillary, and therefore the establishment could forever point to Cruz losing to Hillary as PROOF that True Conservatives can't win, and therefore moderate establishment types need to be nominated going forward. However, Trump is just so fucking dominant that they cannot deny him the nomination at this point, and so they are making their peace with that reality. They also have the glimmer of hope that Trump could beat Hillary (winning big with independents, getting some crossover votes from the Bernie Bros, and turning out the white working class in massive numbers so that states like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, etc. go red, Hillary being a generally horrible candidate, etc.). And if Trump were to win, I suspect the establishment are convinced that he would govern as a deal-making moderate. So that's what explains what is going on. I think it's a much better explanation that what the #NeverTrump hysterics have put forward.

Posted by: FOAM at April 29, 2016 04:33 PM (7l0Lm)

786 "Thanks, but if conservatism is going to be nothing but naked cultural tribalism, you should know that my cultural tribe isn't yours."

What ashames you about the cultural tribe that gave birth to conservatism in the first place, Mr. Fuck You Dad?  Are you ASHAMED to say, perhaps, in the heat of the moment, to one of the subliterate liberal protesters, a hearty rejoinder like BITCH WHITE MEN BUILT YOUR WORLD!  Well, BITCH MY CULTURAL TRIBE BUILT YOUR PARTY.

"I thought nothing of it when my now obviously false and absurdly generous perception of your tribe was that it was principal-oriented, liberty oriented, respectful and gracious toward others, ideologically articulate, and responsible about the future of this nation."

Those who are the last are rarely the first four.  We tried them in previous elections.  Didn't work.  Now we're doing something more effective.  Does work!  Wonderful to behold!  You can keep on with your slow, genteel suicide strategy though, if it works for you.

"I was wrong, so I'll stop pretending."

Admitting defeat is the first step toward resolution.

"When will you stop pretending you're offering us anything better than a Clinton presidency (which I can at least have the peace of mind of knowing will be challenged in 4 years)?"

What over the past 4 years makes you think that Clinton wouldn't cement her power and get her flunkies in while in office?

"Something that isn't just you wish-casting fantasies about your candidate."

The fantasies scare the hell out of the left, who have, hold, and exercise  real power and control over the minds of their charges. 

"None of the rest of us even remotely understand what you're basing these beliefs about a Trump candidacy on, and you're not just gonna herd us into it with your aggressive insistence."

Just because you can't sell real estate doesn't mean it's a good idea to walk away from the speech.

"If Trump is so awesome he can change the map, he can go work a little harder for more of those working class white votes and disaffected BernieBros that are just gonna come pouring in. Or maybe consider doing something to EARN ours, if you want it so bad."

If Trump is so awesome he can change the demographic map of the country, he may be awesome enough to decide that some people just aren't basically loyal or trustworthy enough to EARN their citizenship in anything resembling America.

"That starts with convincing us Trump winning the general is a victory for us, not just for you. If threatening us with Hillary mattered, you wouldn't need to bother. We already know about her, we've known for quite some time in fact."

Certainly not enough to go all-points nuclear on her!

"FYI: Trump isn't the only Republican candidate this primary cycle I wouldn't vote for. I wouldn't vote for Jeb, Kasich, or Huckabee. I probably wouldn't vote for Santorum or Christie, and I would like to think I wouldn't vote for Rubio over immigration, though I probably would've caved on that one. But Trump is the only candidate I will go to the polls to vote for a Democrat against."

Ineffectiveness is forgiveable, but TESTOSTERONE is anathema.  Get fucked on your own time.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at April 29, 2016 04:35 PM (61Gds)

787 Zodiac Killer: I agree that ace completely was running a con job re: his "Trump Curious" phase. (Of course, because he WAS Trump curious, that can and will be used against ace, to rightfully assault his credibility.) But it was really just a long con to 1) undercut the "establishment" candidates (and boy, has the definition of what is and isn't "establishment" moved through about a dozen Overton Windows - I take dark satisfaction that, per recent polling, old "Lyin Ted" is now viewed by many as Establishment) and use Trump as a brushfire to weed them out, all 2) to prop up and push forward his boy, Cruz. Well, how'd that work out. Ace's extreme bitterness began about the time Trump started to take a machete to Cruz's poll numbers and began winning states Cruz was supposed to win, by taking many of Cruz's base of evangelicals. That was all Cruz's fault, the result of months of cynically sucking up to Donald in a ploy for his voters, which only backfired by giving Trump conservative cred, blunt arguments he'd later try to use on Donald (how can you argue a guy's not conservative enough when weeks prior you were "singing his praises"?) and generally coming off as a beta male sidekick to the alpha male juggernaut. Ace maybe was bright enough to see the inevitably coming, hence his whining and vindictiveness about guys like Rubio (who actually is a lot more conservative than given credit for, hence an ability to siphon votes from Cruz) not getting out of the race fast enough. (Eventually they all did, and it made no difference). So I don't feel his turn was because he wanted to get in good with the NeverTrump "smart set." It was because he's a Cruz cultist who's deeply drank the koolaid, who's angry and bitter that not only is the Conservative Jesus going to lose, but it's REALLY because the very conservative voters who were supposed to propel him to victory instead chose a sad parody of a GOP stereotype (it's not the fault of the "establishment," as Cruzers like ace will whine - Cruz was the one who repeatedly claimed there were "millions" of true conservative voters out there just waiting for a doctrinarian conservative like him to come and run. To the extend that was true - mostly it wasn't - looks like those folks went for Trump). I'm sure ace's readership has dropped, but that's probably a function of 1) him alienating his moderate voting readership, 2) him effectively driving away some of the better, more rational folks involved with the site / podcast (John, Gabe - seems the podcast is still the ace / drew two hour hatefest for the foreseeable future), and of course, 3) half of the "content" ace producing these days consisting of him expressing how above politics he feels these days (it doesn't "interest" him these days) or how "fill in pop culture song / film / tv show here" is beneath his level of intelligence, unlike the plebeians. A shame. This site was so damn good once. But we live in a universe governed by law of entropy. Eventually, everything goes to shit.

Posted by: Vyce at April 29, 2016 04:53 PM (tPt6Q)

788 Vyce: This blog has largely gone to shit, I agree. I used to read every post every day; it was part of my daily routine for years. (I was never much of a commenter, because the commenting system pretty much blows.) IMO though, Ace "got a phone call" from someone important. I sincerely believe this. That would explain how he went from being openly "Trump-curious" for months and months to "Trump is Hitler and will lose in a 50-state landslide because he's stupid!!!1!1!" basically overnight. (Keep in mind, this happened right around the time Amanda Carpenter was openly compiling a list of conservatives to blacklist and forever purge from the movement.) Ace has gone on the record in the past admitting that he has caved to outside pressure from more prominent conservatives (Michelle Malkin twisted his arm into participating in Everyone Blog About Brett Kimberlin Day by basically calling him a coward and a pussy). He's also admitted in the past (though only in the comments section) that he's flat out lied to his readers before, and turned his blog into a disinformation and propaganda outlet for certain candidates in order to help The Party (I only know this as someone who read, as I said, every post - and most of ace's comments - every day for literally years). His defense of Michelle Fields was the final straw for me. He lost all credibility when he defended this lying flake in order to attack Trump. Ace had been absolutely savaging feminists and their fake victim-hood complaints for months until the Michelle Fields non-incident happened...and he unquestioningly took the side of the feminist hoaxer, facts be damned. (As Trump would say/tweet: Sad!) So, in my opinion, Ace got a call or an email from some very prominent person/people in the conservative movement, and the call/email issued an ultimatum to get with the #NeverTrump program, or else he might find himself rather isolated from his fellow conservatives. Given that Ace's main (sole?) source of income is ad revenue from this poorly-designed blog, the threat of being blacklisted by bigwigs in the conservative media could easily have compelled him to make the drastic change in his tone. My two cents.

Posted by: FOAM at April 29, 2016 05:25 PM (7l0Lm)

789 You guys are in BIG Trouble.

Posted by: jacke at April 29, 2016 06:22 PM (i8Shl)

790 Wow, you Trump guys are something else.

"What ashames you about the cultural tribe that gave birth to conservatism in the first place, Mr. Fuck You Dad? Are you ASHAMED to say, perhaps, in the heat of the moment, to one of the subliterate liberal protesters, a hearty rejoinder like BITCH WHITE MEN BUILT YOUR WORLD! Well, BITCH MY CULTURAL TRIBE BUILT YOUR PARTY."

Woah, woah, if you're comparing your red hat wearing, "Kick his ass, Donald!" BroDudes to my dad, then you have a very unjustified, over-inflated opinion of your tribe. Also, my dad married a non-European foreigner, so you probably wouldn't be much of a fan. He also has never been prone to fits of mob outrage during election cycles.

And your "gave birth to conservatism" pretense, there's many different flavors of conservatism, and plenty of them are plenty shameful, as is demonstrated daily throughout the Middle East. You certainly weren't responsible for birthing the strains of intellectual thought that gave us our Constitution and Bill of Rights, or the economic movements that brought conservatism to prominence in the 80s and 90s. Also, the white men who did the world building you're talking about are the ones you're pissed at for sending your factory jobs to China, replacing white working class people with immigrants who are just as capable of the manual labor part of building YOUR WORLD!, and working to culturally marginalize you. Maybe I would actually like your ideas if I knew what they were, beyond just raging and ad hominem, and making every right-leaning forum on the internet utterly miserable and unpleasant. I don't buy that a mere 8 years as opposition party (you know, the typical amount of time most turns as opposition party last) means that conducting politics by not being abrasive dickheads doesn't work, and getting under 40% of the smaller political party's primary vote (many of whom are low info voters, voting on name recognition) by being abrasive dickheads and starting a civil war in the party does work, but you do you. I think you may have left a few puzzle pieces on the floor, though. Also, you may want to read through Trump's Twitter account before criticizing the subliterate.

Anyway, do you guys even want my vote? You seem to find me pretty repugnant and stupid anyway. Maybe a healthier use of your time would be tracking down those millions of politically disenfranchised working class whites that Trump is just gonna Bring It with come never, and getting them STOKED!! And what do you need to bother with Ace's libtard blog for? I'm sure Hannity and Drudge will provide more than enough of that intellectual firepower your movement needs. I like to imagine Hannity is throwing that football at me, and he calls me Kiddo or Sport or something.

P.S. Trumplican, you're pretty adamant about Trump's amazing business acumen, which is pretty adorable. Out of curiosity, would you consider him your intellectual superior? Please feel free to review https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/ before answering.

Posted by: reform highlander at April 29, 2016 10:37 PM (xf3KI)

791 Trump will crush Hillary. No one likes Lyin' Ted. That is why he can only get delegates when voters arent allowed to participate.

Posted by: F Canada at April 30, 2016 04:27 AM (tXWIh)

792 When Trump & Company left their limos and walked into the convention hall he showed he's got what it takes...again.

No pol is ever going to be 'perfect'.

I like this man, he fights.

Kick Hildabeast ass!

Posted by: torabora at April 30, 2016 04:37 AM (E8WfU)

793 > my dad married a non-European foreigner > there's many different flavors of conservatism, and plenty of them are plenty shameful #TotalCuck

Posted by: FOAM at April 30, 2016 12:48 PM (7l0Lm)

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