February 28, 2009
— Ace I've been told Mike Pence was on fire.
OT at Drudge, NYT headline:
"Sharp Downturn Clouds Obama Spending Plans".
In other news, "Liquor Store Clerk's Life Clouded by Robber's Bullet".
Posted by: sherlock at February 28, 2009 08:57 AM (L4jPh)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 09:02 AM (s0Zrm)
I've been thinking the same thing, CPAC has become a joke in my mind. It's not about conservatism anymore, it's about exposure and positioning inside the GOP. Sure Pence gave a good speech but what does it really accomplish?
Makes a few people that like going to conventions feel good for a short time and that's about it.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:12 AM (JV2V8)
How exactly are we supposed to explain our ideals and policy to others without speaking? While action is necessary, it won't automatically bring more people to our side. It would be the height of arrogance to believe that we can attract others by keeping our mouths shut. Don't be obtuse.
Posted by: adamthemad at February 28, 2009 09:15 AM (aUyuV)
Posted by: that guy that shouts En Fuego! at February 28, 2009 09:15 AM (PD1tk)
Amen. So could Hitler.
Posted by: Ombudsman at February 28, 2009 09:16 AM (fWF4Q)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:18 AM (V6CDP)
This is a serious question; not a joke.
Why did he not lead us last year instead of the liberal who vowed in mid Sep to cancel the campaign and not debate (a vow which he broke in only 2 days!) until we pased W's partial nationalization bill?
Would the GOP not have done better with a conservative as contrasted to the defeate with a lefty leading?
I may be a dumb grunt but it seems to me the GOP normally gets beat when a liberal is the standard bearer.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 28, 2009 09:20 AM (PxBZ2)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:24 AM (RxUMK)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:27 AM (V6CDP)
Posted by: mare at February 28, 2009 09:27 AM (X1fsj)
I think so but that's not who the GOP nominated. Let's face it, the majority of GOP voters don't read blogs, don't know what CPAC is or even know where most politicians stand on the issues. The result? McCain.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:31 AM (JV2V8)
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:32 AM (1wXl7)
Dude, did you read what you just typed?
Obama's speeches, and only Obama's speeches (well, except for that MSM narrative that shilled for him) got him a presidency. He barely voted for action as a legislator, contradicted stated positions regularly, and pretty much hid in plain sight during his rise to power. Yet, somehow, he broke through because of speech and speech alone whether he meant a damn word of it or not.
Movements need speakers. Speech before action. CPAC is the only significant, organized, conservative depot going that mimics the platform used on the campaign trail. It's good practice for a much larger sampling from the Right. Encourage it because we don't have a vast repertoire of substitutes. Consider it the working group for conservative platforms because it sure as hell isn't the GOP.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:33 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:33 AM (RxUMK)
fuck, fuck, fuck,
Pence is an open borders guy?
god fucking damn it!
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:34 AM (RxUMK)
Pence has a rating of 100 last year and 99.43 lifetime by the ACU. That is one of the highest in congress, Contrast that with what was nominated to run against the Vomit. He had a rating of 65 and 82.16 lifetime. He is a liberal and getting more liberal everyday.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 09:36 AM (f6os6)
Posted by: red131 at February 28, 2009 09:38 AM (BCJs+)
If Steele did nothing else but change our primary process or urge the States to do so, I'd be ecstatic.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:38 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2009 09:39 AM (VW9/y)
ok, he has a 100 rating, so what?
is Pence an open borders guy or not?
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:40 AM (RxUMK)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:44 AM (V6CDP)
His amnesty plan was 2006.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:44 AM (1wXl7)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:46 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:46 AM (JV2V8)
is Pence an open borders guy or not?
He devised the so-called compromise that got written into the bill that said the illegals had to go home and apply to come back. My opinion was that he was trying to be a loyal Republican for Bush but it is a negative mark.
I would not hold that one mistake against him in an election.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 09:47 AM (f6os6)
Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:50 AM (JV2V8)
I can relate to the frustration of other commenters, but JackStraw is right. If the principles of the Right are to win, they must be shared.
Is Pence an open-borders guy? I don't know. It has no bearing on this speech however, as borders weren't mentioned.
If he is though, and you must dismiss him as a viable candidate in the future, do not dismiss the value in speeches such as this in how they can help determine the direction the Conservative movement takes going forward.
Posted by: krakatoa at February 28, 2009 09:51 AM (n4Su9)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 09:56 AM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:56 AM (V6CDP)
just got thur reading Pence's 2006 plan (co-author Kay B. Hucthinson)
i'm not happy... in first section they use the phrase that tells me everything i need to know "undocumented immigrants" it's symbolic of a mindset
i don't care if we have to go down to 1 truly conservative congresscritter and build up from there, the important thing is to start with something you can count on.
i don't want to comprise with libs/socialists
i don't want to be their "friends"
i want to grind their whole ideaology into the dust
you can't win a battle unless you can count on those around you
say whatever you want about me, that's what i believe and i'm not backing down from it one bit.
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (RxUMK)
I hate to break this to you notropis but there's a rumor floating around the convention (reliably sourced from hotel room-service insiders) that he strongly advocates square cut pizza over regular wedge shaped slices.
Can you say unelectable?
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (1jglO)
You're definitely right, but there tends to be a bit of a coronation vibe in these good-speech threads.
And I really do think it's too bad that he did what he did on amnesty. It was definitely a major, calculated move to break from the purist conservative principles for which he'd until then stood. And it blew up on him, big time: who would have guessed that *this* was the issue on which the purists would win? But of course, if things had gone his way, it would have hugely boosted his perceived stature... So don't cry for him when the reverse happened.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (1wXl7)
No, but the real alpha snubbed this year's CPAC.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:59 AM (1wXl7)
not me, i've disliked McCain's politics ever since McCain-Fiengold, and my opinion has never changed since then, i did not vote for him, i did not vote because of him
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:00 AM (RxUMK)
Let's also recall last year during the campaign. People were disgusted with McCain. Then he gave a one hour interview (great speech!) with Rick Warren and then conservatives and GOP-voters seemingly forgot his last 8 years of bullshit and said "like OMG! I so like McCain now .
I failed to see a big uptick in support for McLame from conservatives. In fact, if you look at the election results in the States that switched side you can see wholesale lots that stayed at home. That speech with Rick Warren didnt change anyones mind about McLame.
I do agree that Republicans need to grow some balls and start fighting back.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:01 AM (f6os6)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:03 AM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:07 AM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:09 AM (V6CDP)
Posted by: mare at February 28, 2009 10:12 AM (X1fsj)
No, but the real alpha snubbed this year's CPAC.
And who's that?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:12 AM (m/QC6)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:15 AM (RxUMK)
It's probably a reference to Palin.
Posted by: Disease Ridden Vermin at February 28, 2009 10:17 AM (Tha0W)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:19 AM (s0Zrm)
Palin did not snub CPAC. Her legislator is in session and unlike the One she does not fly all over the country when she should be back in the State taking care of business.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:22 AM (f6os6)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:22 AM (V6CDP)
It's probably a reference to Palin.
Yeah, probably. The "frontrunner" doesn't even show up at CPAC, but some people are determined to support her in 2012.
Kinda reminds me of Fred. Fred strung these same people along in '07, too.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:24 AM (m/QC6)
You are sounding more and more like a concern troll every day. Give up
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:29 AM (f6os6)
Why can't we have both - good speaker and action?
Is it that difficult to find a conservative leader that has a track history of results and can give a good speech?
I believe that is the source of Palin's popularity. She fits the bill, unfortunately, she wasn't quite fully prepared for the big stage. It remains to be seen if she has been too damaged for a legitimate run in 2012.
The other element that I am convinced is absolutely necessary is physical attractiveness. It is an unfortunate limiting factor of Amerian society and you just cannot ignore it. The less attractive great conservatives can serve in important cabinet posts. Steve Forbes was a great conservative candidate, but the guy simply was unelectable because he is goofy looking.
Also, it is absolutely required that we look at younger conservative candidates. No more 70 year old war veterans.
The RNC needs to provide intense public relations and public speaking training for all its members and future presidential candidates such as Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, Sanford, Thune, DeMint, Paul Ryan. A focused coordinated message needs to be developed and then unleash them on any and every tv and radio interview opportunity. We need to cut through all this liberal media bs and reach the independent and swing voters. Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News are all preaching to the choir.
One item I disagreed with in Pence's speech was his mocking of Pelosi. He is wrong when he says that Americans weren't asking "What's in it for me?". I assure you there are many, many American's that were saying just that. I work with several of them. Republicans have a monumental task in convincing these types of people they can provide for themselves much better than the government can.
One more crucial item that must be taken care of is the obscene fund raising that Obama managed to raise online. Is anything being done to address credit card donation security measures during future elections?
Posted by: phxjay at February 28, 2009 10:31 AM (YA+FZ)
Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:35 AM (V6CDP)
since when did advocating for enforcement of our immigration law become a "purist" position? i don't actually count myself as a "purist" anything, my own personal opinion is that the State should not have the power to tell a woman she must have a baby, but i rarely if ever mention that because ppl i count as allies feel so strongly about it and i don't want to offend them, i am willing to give on some issues, but not illegal immigration
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:37 AM (RxUMK)
Who knew Obama before his gift of a speech slot at the DNC convention? Politicians have to start somewhere and try to make waves. There's just no way around that regardless of any actual record of significant accomplishment. Obama made speeches to a liberal base during his climb. Yes, his is an exceptional case because Axelrod greased the skids for him at every challenge, but Obama was a no-name too who capitalized on "just words." He worked the local circuits long before he spoke to the nation.
What is Pence doing? I dunno. I haven't followed him that closely, but here he is now trying to set up shop and drawing attention. Now we can look up his record and see if what he has done jives with what he is saying now. He's working. He's pitching. He's challenging. It's how it's done.
Would you rather hear even more about McCain, Dole, Schwarzenegger, Romney, Huckabee, etc. and trust the MSM to spoon feed you their version of more of the same? Isn't it best at this point to hear some new voices and see if they have something to offer? Well, that takes work on our part, too. Pence is making the effort now. It's your turn to return the favor.
If there were another venue to hear these people out, a venue where the debate is timely, comparable, and contemporaneous to events, I'm all for it. Do you know of another?
As to Pence's "open borders" proclivities, he seems to be (much?) better than average overall with a big black mark WRT the importation of high-skilled labor. I'm against that because it impacts me directly, but he's hardly the worst offender. Surely that particular issue will disappear under the current climate, so I worry about that specifically now none at all. If that was Pence's only flaw, and he talks a good game while supporting a decent conservative rating, then I'll hear the man out. I don't care if it's at CPAC or somewhere else. Right now we have CPAC.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 10:38 AM (swuwV)
Posted by: rockmom at February 28, 2009 10:39 AM (xOEA9)
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2009 10:44 AM (VW9/y)
In other words, what is he doing besides giving one good speech to the choir at CPAC,
You're right, CPAC is a "just words" convention. The same do-nothing Congressional Republicans don their Conservative hats for one day and show up at CPAC and pretend to be Ronald Reagan .
Their speeches sound exactly like their RNC fundraising letters: plenty of redmeat and they call out by name the Democrat leaders. But they *almost* never do that in Congress.
Where were all these great Conservatives when SCHIP passed? Or the Lilly Ledbtter Act to Benefit Trial Lawyers? During the six Excutive Orders signed by Obama in his first historic month in the White House?
They're always asking for money in those letters to stop Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. Well, while they're in Congress, why aren't they trying to stop Reid, Pelosi, and Obama?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:44 AM (m/QC6)
Posted by: Tom in CA at February 28, 2009 10:46 AM (gV1dT)
I'm watching CSPAN right now.
Why is Alex P. Keaton giving a speech?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:47 AM (m/QC6)
Posted by: slizzle at February 28, 2009 10:53 AM (zG+3k)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:55 AM (RxUMK)
Posted by: slizzle at February 28, 2009 10:56 AM (zG+3k)
Posted by: eman at February 28, 2009 10:57 AM (Ee8qq)
Posted by: Oschisms at February 28, 2009 11:03 AM (R7JHf)
The point isn't the quality of speech. Our problem is that these guest speakers from Congress aren't out there repeating these same words said at CPAC on the other 364 days in the year. When they're not at CPAC, they're neither talking the talk nor walking the walk.
I'm surprised Susan Collins wasn't at CPAC this year. I mean, why not? She bullshitted the RNC and the Republicans last year into supporting her. And the first chance Collins got to fuck over the GOP, she took it. Without any hesitation, she sided with the Democrats.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 11:04 AM (m/QC6)
Has everyone seen this story also from CPAC
Perhaps the GOP has learned its lesson. Well see IF they start talking about the primary rules.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:06 AM (f6os6)
LOL. C'mon, dude, let's be fair: Darling's been a concern troll from day 1.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:07 AM (1wXl7)
Jindahl and Palin will not take the 2012 nom, and if they do, they will lose.
I'm looking for new faces, and I don't know pence even though he's from my state, but I gotta say, that his performance was good and his content was excellent, and he didn't just give a good speech, he would step on the applause and the boos and the cheers.
He didn't speak as a speaker, he spoke as a leader. There are characteristics to leadership that I see in him. I don't know if he can follow through in the long run, but just because you don't think he will pres next election is no reason to stomp on the fact that he gave an effective speech that clearly articulated the ideals of the republicans and the conservatives, and the right in general in a way that boby failed at.
I don't know how Mike is extemporaneous, but I do know how Bobby is when prepared. Bobby did flob the ball even though he was well prepared. He sounded like he was doing the opening moral statement for fucking picture pages.
Pence might have "just given a speech," but you know who else did that? The current fucking president, and at least Pence included content, not axiomatic feel good bullshit.
Yes, it's just one speech, SO FAR!
Jesus, go suck allah's cock, if you can't fucking see that the movement needs a leader, unless you are just some guy who wants to whine shit to make you feel good, maybe you can get your mom to make up an illness for you to suffer, while she gets the munchausean satisfaction of hugging her favorite baby.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE GODDAMN NEGATIVITY?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:12 AM (ul7te)
LOL. C'mon, dude, let's be fair: Darling's been a concern troll from day 1.
Someone? if you are old timer Someone, then you should know that Darling, is just a jackass with serious political views.
I happen to know his habbits a bit.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:15 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Zelda Starr at February 28, 2009 11:16 AM (sWXql)
I'm surprised Susan Collins wasn't at CPAC this year. I mean, why not? She bullshitted the RNC and the Republicans last year into supporting her
I saw an article a couple of weeks ago where some liberal ass republican clown responded to a question about the party pulling support from him during the next election and he responded that he would sue them. His position was that the party rules required them to support the incumbent.
I checked on that and it is bullshit. The party has to support the nominee of the party. If he is not their nominee because he has become a Democrat(R) then they can support someone else.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:21 AM (f6os6)
Then you're in the wrong party.
Republicans don't do new faces. It's Palin, Romney, or Huckabee.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:25 AM (1wXl7)
I haven't followed all the twists and turns of late.
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:27 AM (1wXl7)
Posted by: Eleven at February 28, 2009 11:27 AM (NeqJy)
Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:29 AM (1wXl7)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:29 AM (ul7te)
okay, who wants to bet Rush wins the straw poll for 2012?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 11:32 AM (m/QC6)
i've read many of your posts and we agree so many issues that i like you and i know your smarter than me and could rip me to shreds if you wanted. but i don't see my attitude as being negative but rather angry, very angry at what's going on, the game has changed, something happened back in sept/oct i'm not exactly sure what it was but it was BIG and we aren't being told the truth about it, instead they are using it to play politics and the longer it goes on the more upset i get, i'm looking for a leader too but i demand they speak the truth
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 11:33 AM (RxUMK)
Where is teh Fred?!
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 28, 2009 11:33 AM (SMD8k)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:34 AM (ul7te)
If you go to the "political Machine website that is running a copy of the straw poll you will find that Rush is not on the poll. You will also find that the Paulbots have got to the poll.
And other than the paulbots Palin is winning.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:40 AM (f6os6)
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 11:42 AM (US+1l)
Posted by: krakatoa at February 28, 2009 11:43 AM (n4Su9)
I saw the crisis of september eleventh pushing forward valuable legislation, but some dickholes in congress (btw BOTH CHAMBERS are congress, I have no problem with calling a senator, congressman, and I think that should be the common practice on news show just so we can recognize the biggest cock munchers who want to correct the interviewer with "It's Senator." cuz Senators are congressman, and to get locked into "Senator" is assmunchery of the highest scale) stacked that valuable and meaningful legislation packed with pork.
Executive signing clauses or whatever they are called, should consist of a list of all of the things in the bill that are wasteful and counter to the original intent, but the bill is being signed into law only because, without the signature, the bill wouldn't be passed.
Veto even EMERGENCY legislation even when it's needed, because ass ramming junkie sack whore's stack it with self serving bullshit, and then declare it to the nation with a "request of time" to the networks.
SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN!!!
BTW, I'm not that smart, I am just pretty good at remembering shit.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:44 AM (ul7te)
Palin is in AK takin care of bidness, like she's supposed to be doing. She isn't at CPAC pimpin herself out for some ass-kissing. That's one of the reasons I like her. Nothing against Pence, I like him. But don't bad mouth Palin because she's busy running a state.
Posted by: krukke1 at February 28, 2009 11:48 AM (pSOzi)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 11:51 AM (s0Zrm)
there are a lot of ppl here i like and i don't want fight with them, i'm not trying to be contrary or trollish, sometimes i like to snark it up a bit, but mostly i'm here to bounce my ideas off other ppl and to listen to other ppls ideas in a seriuos effort to come to a better understanding of what's going on in the world.
sometimes i think i would have already gone batshit crazy if not for AoS
and again thanks for not crushing me like a bug
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 11:53 AM (RxUMK)
Mike Pence gave a great speech. We need great speakers. No more inarticulate candidates, especially when the other side is chock full o' professional liars.
He's been a solid conservative. We don't even all agree here-so stop with the purist crap. It's for losers. So is RINO-ism, but Pence is no RINO.
If Obama gave a great speech that made him president, that means our guys who give great speeches can be president, too. Yes, speeches aren't enough-but it is a prerequisite. Even if he never runs, we still need our ideas expressed well and publicly. Lighten up, cranky.
Posted by: Dutch at February 28, 2009 11:56 AM (2MavL)
"don't touch my stuff or i'll kill ya
and any of you homo's touch me, i'll kill ya"
famous words from a famous movie.... i'll try to lighten up
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:04 PM (RxUMK)
I agree, I am not saying we should storm the fucking bastille to prove the fucking revolution.
I'm just saying, don't poopoo shit before shit is poo.
Allah loves to do that, he loves to gergen the fucking guesses, and it was OH SO FUCKING HARD for that to happen this time (btw I like Allah, I just wish he would stop dragging people down, though about 80% of the time he's right. Being right is not a virtue. . .well it might be a virtue, but it definately doesn't win you friends, and rubbing in that you were right, is outright fucking arrogance)
True fact, if it was McCain Hillary, I would have voted hillary, and not felt at all bad about it, and I would say it here if she were pres and shit, it's not a false attitude.
But We shit on our own, and we STILL make excuses for the others. Fact, even ace, with bidens retardation says "Oh but thats just biden, being biden" Ace does it sarcasticly, but it doesn't change the normal form.
BIDEN IS RETARDED! but we cede value to our opponents, and based on this budget, our enemy, because we are nice, and are looking for proper form.
Damn, went all wickedpintoy and lost track.
Give pence a chance, The beatles said so.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:07 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:07 PM (nRSv7)
Thats not a bad thing, and I don't have much a test group yet.
But you tend to be a dick, and only nice to the people you know are old timers.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:09 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:12 PM (RxUMK)
Michigan elected Granholm twice, went big for Obama in the midst of a real shitty economy EVEN BEFORE the crash, so why don't you start there and do something about it.
Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (nRSv7)
I'm best known for my breakthrough comment, even though that is such a small part of me.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (ul7te)
I like Pence...we need more like him...Palin will get killed in 2012, as the MSM will be pissed that BO is such a flunk..and they will put a hurting on her.
We need a person who has style and substance...kind of like Jim Webb but Republican..
can we get him back?
The Jindal train is a VP..not President.yet.
Plus I think we just have another woman in our arsenal that we have missed so far.
We need Palin with a few changes.
Posted by: ford at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (Ki7fm)
Basicly Michigan is detroit, YAY MICHIGAN only writ large.
Michael has an opinion and his are just as good as all others, until proven wrong.
I think Michael is judgmental, but not wrong.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:15 PM (ul7te)
I can out charisma both of them in a minute, talking about abortion in reference to tlelaxian clone breaders, while they talk about actual abortion.
Not to mention I can out charisma them period, though sara has far better tits than I do, but I have a bigger dick than jindahl, not cuz I saw it, but because. . . . really.
He's a dot indian, and I'm german/italian.
It's in the rulebooks, I have a bigger dick than a dot indian, and likely most feather indians.
America votes for the man with the biggest dick. Look at Obama! He's black!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:20 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:20 PM (RxUMK)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:22 PM (s0Zrm)
Maybe, but first what we really need is to win some elections like NY-20, NJ and VA governor for some momentum. We need a goal of not getting wiped out in 2010 in the Senate, and get back some seats in the House.
We need to get some of the blue dogs on board now to oppose Obama's six trillion dollar confiscation of our economy, and at least get SOME changes. We need to oppose socialized medicine, card-check, statehood for DC and a host of other bad ideas that might elicit enough opposition that Obama might not be able to push them through.
If we can do those things we can then worry about the election of 2012. Arguing about Palin and Jindal now ignores the fact there is a lot to be done before the primaries of the next presidential election start.
Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:24 PM (nRSv7)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:24 PM (RxUMK)
Don't one-issue the GOP to death -- some of you are doing that in this thread. There is no one-size-fits-all in politics. A 100 rating from the ACU is damn good at ANY time and if Pence keeps that in the high 90s he's in Reagan territory.
Those of you who did not appreciate this great speech from Pence or are going to one-issue him to death might as well go register as Democrats because even if that's not what you are that's what you're going to get with that attitude.
Maybe it's not just RINO Senators we need to get rid of ... maybe it's RINO fuckwarts like some posting on this thread.
Posted by: prairiemain at February 28, 2009 12:25 PM (oPAYR)
Not holding Michael responsible, just pointing out Michigan is a good place to start an anti-tax revolution.
Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:26 PM (nRSv7)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:26 PM (RxUMK)
Posted by: deadrody at February 28, 2009 12:30 PM (TxMs4)
Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:33 PM (RxUMK)
I'm leaving the country.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:33 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:34 PM (s0Zrm)
Some of you need to go do your homework wrt Pence. He is rock solid. Pure? No, nobody is, but he is SOLID. And a fighter. And a believer.
"Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God."~Mike Pence, Sept 2008, Human Events
Posted by: c17wife at February 28, 2009 12:35 PM (8SapG)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:38 PM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:41 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:43 PM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 12:43 PM (f6os6)
chicago is my town too, and as long as we could only have the pol's drop into the lake (the largest fresh water reservoir in the world) that would be a good thing.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:46 PM (ul7te)
"An incessant change of means to attain unalterable ends is always going on; we must take care not to let these sundry means undue eminence in the perspective of our minds; for, since the beginning, there has been an unending cycle of them, and for each its advocates have claimed adoption as the sole solution of successful war."
Granted, General Patton was talking about his war, but this next quote may give a hint of the man and his mettle in all things.
"I always believe in being prepared, even when I'm dressed in white tie and tails"
Posted by: solitary knight at February 28, 2009 12:47 PM (QePUm)
Lord Lim-Haw is currently on FOX, holding forth at CPAC on all of America's problems. It's a totally uninspiring hash of his recent one and one half to two hour long repetitive monologues.
He long ago became a legend in his own mind.
We need something fresh and new.
Posted by: Tinian at February 28, 2009 12:47 PM (Ohodx)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:49 PM (s0Zrm)
Its not apathy its a generational swing away from individual responsibility and freedom toward navel gazing and self promotion.
Unless we drop the compassionate conservativism and stress individual responsibilities and liberties the party is done. A party that is more interested in processes than principles is dead.
Pence sucked, he is a sheep in sheep's clothing. Open borders for all?
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at February 28, 2009 12:54 PM (0Qynq)
Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:56 PM (s0Zrm)
We need something fresh and new.
Please, go on.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 12:59 PM (m/QC6)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2009 01:05 PM (pEXyx)
hahaha, look at the sourpuss on the CNN chick.
Well, it's time to spin, CNN. Get to it!
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:14 PM (m/QC6)
hahaha, an "angry message" by Limbaugh.
And now she's reading letters from moonbats: "Hitler," "mean-spirited," and "hateful."
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:19 PM (m/QC6)
Posted by: Mark at February 28, 2009 01:19 PM (h0ovq)
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:21 PM (FS9ko)
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:24 PM (FS9ko)
Posted by: Kurt at February 28, 2009 01:26 PM (RBij8)
okay, who wants to bet Allahcocksuckerpundit will pan Rush's speech?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:27 PM (m/QC6)
Hello? This thing on? Or are you all changing your underwear, as I had to, after spooging in my pants no less than three times during Rush's "First Address to the Nation"?
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:28 PM (FS9ko)
Medved supported McCain in the Primaries because McCain is the only 'pub who can win, and Medved Proved it, as he likes to say, so, anything michael medved says is worthless cuz he's a self serving idiot, kinda like ALLAH (though ALLAH OWNS on research)
Hewitt, pushed romney, and hewitt was wrong, despite his pedantic theolodiphile obsession, Romney was useless, and will be in a general, just like in the primaries.
I won't horserace the primaries in 2012, which is 3 FUCKING YEARS AWAY! but I can say that everything medvet, hewitt, me and ace, and you are likely wrong.
We need a new face. I like pence right now, but I will change my mind a bunch of fucking times between now and then.
FUCK! Want a front runner? On my Blog, I think I get absolute support if I were to throw my hat into the ring, but thats not gonna create a movement.
Well, I might be a good candidate, but a shitty president.
Hrm. . . .
No, can't work anyways, I will be living in another nation at the time.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:29 PM (ul7te)
do not agree with "let's get over people that give good speeches". Obama and Bush both show us that the content and the medium have to go together. Bush had a few good ideas (especially on foreign policy) but he could not explain them to the public so he got hammered on the public arena and we lost two elections. Obama is selling crap but he knows how to argue and he manages to get it through.
bear with me. i know the media, the establishment etc etc are all in favor of the guy. i know those people are brainwashing the americans. it is still true that we cannot just go out and say "we appeal to the important and fundamental conservative values that all the americans share" and expect the public to figure out the rest. not everybody is a political wonk. not everybody is always up to date on what's going on, what's the problem and how to solve it. most of people want the intellectuals and the politicians to explain the issue and the solutions they propose. if you cannot do that it seems that you do not have one.
politics is the art of persuasion.
many people use rhetorical ability as a proxy for quality of the politicians and of his policies. maybe it's bad, maybe it's good but we cannot just ignore this fact.
we, conservatives, have been the party of ideas for a long time. we produced intellectuals (real ones like Buckley, not echo-chambers morons), think tanks, great public speaker. we cannot just give that up.
we know our product is good. we have to be also good at explain to the public why it's good and why our ways are better. otherwise they'll choose socialism.
Posted by: hayek2009 at February 28, 2009 01:29 PM (uoyZr)
Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:33 PM (CG+cG)
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:36 PM (FS9ko)
Bill Schneider is a piece of shit. Listen to this asshole try to smear Rush and tell the CNN how to think.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:39 PM (m/QC6)
"divisive comments by Rush Limbaugh"
what a fuking joke. what was divisive about his speech?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:41 PM (m/QC6)
THE SOCIAL EVOLUTION OF CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS
The division of the human family into its two distinct political branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, when humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.
The pivotal event of societal evolution was the invention of beer.
This epochal event was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Conservatives and Liberals.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so it was necessary to stick close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbecues and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. An interesting evolutionary side note: some of these early liberal men eventually evolved into women.
Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the conservatives provided.
Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant.
Liberals are symbolized by the jackass. Modern liberals like imported beer, but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men.
Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer; they eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. The liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed by the conservatives and then created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.
Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:42 PM (CG+cG)
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:44 PM (FS9ko)
Posted by: The Deciders at February 28, 2009 01:45 PM (PD1tk)
"What is Social Security?" I asked my father,
"It's to make sure you are taken care of when you are old."
"So, it's like family?"
We have ALWAYS had Social Security, only it wasn't the government who supplied it, it was FAMILY.
My guess is that libs are such hateful little fucks that even their parents can't stand them, so they need SS.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:46 PM (ul7te)
People have made that comment before but I think at this time, it's important to point out the soul-sucking cruelty of what Obama is doing.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2009 01:46 PM (i01iV)
Why aren't Democrats ever described as divisive?
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:49 PM (m/QC6)
Because they are GOOD. They are COMPASSIONATE. They CARE.
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:51 PM (FS9ko)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:54 PM (ul7te)
Methinks the sexy/hot super babe from the Great Wide North hath more testacles than any of this bunch.
Unfortunately, Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Tina Fey really like to make fun of her. I guess that makes her unelectable.
Let's get to nominatin' electric Mitt Romney - he'll be more acceptable to those Northeastern types....
Obama 2016 (I think he's got the t-shirts made up already.)
Posted by: stickety at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (GYwVX)
ahh, so when they tell their flock of sheep that Republicans are evil and to hate Republicans, it's for the good of humanity? I see.
That twit anchorette on CNN characterized Rush's speech as divisive and did not cite a single example from his speech to back up her assertion. So it's automatic: All words out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth are divisive.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (m/QC6)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (ul7te)
Because they are GOOD at scamming money from the producers.
They are COMPASSIONATE when speaking of chickens, snail darters, and moles, but not people.
They CARE about their self-serving interest, and fuck you and your family.
Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:56 PM (CG+cG)
So where's Ace and his reaction to Rush's speech? Is he writing an Allah-esque passive-aggressive rebuke of Rush?
I doubt it. I think Ace will report back in with high regard for Rush's entire speech. But anything is possible...
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:58 PM (m/QC6)
Once again, RETARD!
You know what is divisive? working with teddy kennedy for an education union give away with almost half the repub's signing on.
Know what isn't divisive? an 800 billion bill with 3 republican traitors signing on.
Don't you get it?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:58 PM (ul7te)
We need something fresh and new.
Please, go on.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 05:59 PM (m/QC6)That's the tough part -- the GOP is a stodgy old party that refuses to acknowledge fresh blood (eg. Reagan - Ford).
The real GOP players have enough money to prosper in the lean times so they don't care. These pubbies have long realized that perpetually playing on the "B Team" is a pretty good deal..
I'd like a dynamic, charismatic, optimist to take the lead but I don't see anyone like that in the mix.
Posted by: Tinian at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (Ohodx)
Ace tends to be a pussy like that, that's why the splitters exist.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (ul7te)
U-Tube has part of the Rush address now.
Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 02:01 PM (f6os6)
How about Rush? Is he not a better, more dynamic, more interesting, more articulate, more sincere voice of conservatism than anyone else out there?
We could of course run Romney. We could also run a mannequin from Men's Warehouse and no one would know the difference.
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 02:04 PM (FS9ko)
Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 02:06 PM (FS9ko)
Because Darling, (may I call you Darling?) they merely use division as a means to an end. It's just a tool, not an essential attribute.
Their fundamental nature is not divisiveness but rather unity. Totalitarian, soul crushing and hive-like unity.
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 02:08 PM (1jglO)
I nominate Ann Coulter's arms for 2012!
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 02:10 PM (m/QC6)
While Rush was giving his speech, CSPAN was airing the racist Al Sharpton & friends at the Black Union.
Talk about a stark contrast in philosophy. Rush explained we didn't need to tailor our message to reach blacks, indians, gays, etc. because Conservatism is blind to the social divisions created by the Left. And Sharpton and the other poverty pimps were explaining how "Whitey" is the cause of all the problems in the "black community."
But you'll never hear anyone on CNN call Sharpton or Cornell cocksucker West divisive.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 02:16 PM (m/QC6)
Hey Michael in MI
Here in OH, we have a great song about MI.
Ever heard it? "Don't give a shit about the whole state of Michigan.....We're from O-HI-O"
Sounds like you don't give a shit about it either.
Posted by: outraged at February 28, 2009 02:25 PM (penCf)
Folks let's begin the beguine, Pence speaks well, I'll bet he can even say nuclear correctly.
PENCE/KEYES, PENCE/PALIN, KEYES/PALIN
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 02:32 PM (peS/x)
That was pretty epic, fish.
Only thing I'd add is, when conservatives work fields dominated by Libs, its typically because its affords opportunities for laughs or they inhabit some benighted lib wasteland where there's nothing much else to do.
I do suicide hotlines [popular in Lib lands - hmmm] and STD/HIV/AIDS notifications. But I admit to being a sick pup in privately LOLing at societal decay in NY.
Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 02:36 PM (LYTPf)
Posted by: ford at February 28, 2009 02:49 PM (Ki7fm)
Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 02:53 PM (zmiSr)
America votes for the man with the biggest dick.
That would be Sarah Palin.
Posted by: payaso at February 28, 2009 02:56 PM (wJ2/3)
Mike Pence is a good speaker. But he's also an excellent statesman.
In Indiana he had a radio show. I listened back then. He gets it.
Look at Pence's voting record, his life history, and listen to his actual words. It's all in line with real conservative principles. Don't discount him just because he may be polished. Because, if you listen to his speeches then you'll know popularity with the MSM is not his aim. He's courageous in the real sense. He's not a political showman ala Obama. He's us. To him, it's about righting our country. So just because Mike Pence never showed up on your radar doesn't mean he wasn't working for us all along.
Posted by: Mainstreet at February 28, 2009 03:04 PM (1kwr2)
I don't like a lot of the negativity I'm hearing on the conservative blogs these days. Full-fledged BDS, Jindal is a loser b/c he screwed up one speech, etc. Perhaps we should figure out the real reasons why the conservative movement is fracturing while espousing conservative ideals. Seriously, anymore Bush hatred & I'm going to scream.
Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 03:09 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2009 03:12 PM (pEXyx)
A despicably fascinating creature that makes it's home in hedgerows and beneath small, stone bridges. The Concern Troll spends its time annoying innocent travellers by jumping out and making sounds that resemble deep flatulence and tornado warning sirens.
Concern Trolls feed on their own excrement and travellers are advised to keep moving as the Concern Troll will endeavour to get in their path and drop a pile of shit.
Posted by: Lord Fauntleroy Fudgehammer, 17th Earl of Roundbottom at February 28, 2009 03:42 PM (hKtiw)
ot: just watched defiance and gran torino. enjoyed both. feel sick from too much popcorn. uuughhhh. then find out paul harvey died. RIP you ol' legend you.
Posted by: A.G. at February 28, 2009 03:46 PM (JoIvi)
CURSE YOU DARLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 03:51 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 03:53 PM (zmiSr)
the marginalizing marxists out there are saying (economic) libertarianism is a mental disorder.
and a study in the NYT says: "the skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence"
Posted by: A.G. at February 28, 2009 03:58 PM (JoIvi)
Posted by: CoolCzech at February 28, 2009 04:00 PM (iafWn)
I love it!
Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 04:01 PM (zmiSr)
@32: Pizza slicing is a just a wedge issue. Everyone knows that.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at February 28, 2009 04:03 PM (8MuSQ)
Hrm. the New Scientist has an article saying that more cons watch pron than libs.
So now we'll have to ban conservatism for teh children....
Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:03 PM (LYTPf)
Dammit --- and wildly OT! Fucking liberal Democrat and Obama supporter Warren Buffett writes in his letter to Berkshire Hathaway stockholders:
"Economic medicine that was previously meted out by the cupful has recently been dispensed by the barrel. These once-unthinkable dosages will almost certainly bring on unwelcome aftereffects."
No shit, Warren!
Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2009 04:08 PM (B+HYX)
Paul Harvey died today at 90.
Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 04:13 PM (JV2V8)
The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per 1000. "The differences here are not so stark," Edelman says.
Number 10 on the list was West Virginia at 2.94 subscriptions per 1000, while number 41, Michigan, averaged 2.32.
Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election Florida and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10 favoured Barack Obama.
The point being?
Are Cons hornier than Libs? I hope so, I subscribe to the Roe Effect.
May they multiply like rabbits!
Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:23 PM (hKtiw)
Paul Harvey died today at 90.
Godspeed, good sir.
Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:27 PM (hKtiw)
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 04:28 PM (US+1l)
Posted by: Disease Ridden Vermin at February 28, 2009 04:33 PM (Tha0W)
Actually, I think its b/c libs are too taxed-out and broke to buy pron subscriptions.
Plus, they fear the state they live in, since your job would be cut and your kids taken away if anybody knew you were subscribed to 'titclamps dot com'
And your wife would leave you for another woman and your dog would bite you. Its like a damned country song up here.
Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:34 PM (LYTPf)
You suck. That website doesn't exist.
Posted by: MikeO at February 28, 2009 04:43 PM (4sSHg)
Posted by: katya at February 28, 2009 04:43 PM (oRJZj)
Sounds like a business opportunity.
Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:45 PM (LYTPf)
Hey, outrage, look up "Fan Script Ohio" on YouTube.
It's good shit!
Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:48 PM (hKtiw)
Posted by: Zelda Starr at February 28, 2009 04:16 PM (sWXql)
That's what I was thinking too.
And those who think that Pence is new must have just recently removed their head from their fourth point of contact. So you start paying attention and talking smack now that we're about to turn commie, eh? Wonderful.
Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 05:02 PM (cgFdI)
Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 05:04 PM (zmiSr)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 05:20 PM (ul7te)
Judging from Michelle's attitude, teh One might have a few more recessive traits than are visible. /racist
Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 05:17 PM (cgFdI)
Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 05:21 PM (LYTPf)
90 and shoey, you are a bit of a dick in the threads I've read you.
Does anyone see irony here, or is it just me?
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:22 PM (ry3u5)
You tell 'em baldi
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 05:25 PM (US+1l)
So what do you suppose is the number of strip clubs / massage parlors per capita in say, Salt Lake City vs. Detroit?
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:26 PM (1jglO)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:27 PM (ry3u5)
Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 05:31 PM (hphNR)
And those who think that Pence is new must have just recently removed their head from their fourth point of contact.
OK so the guy's new to me, big deal. Can you tell us something more enlightening?
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:31 PM (ry3u5)
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:32 PM (1jglO)
195 off topic but does anyone know if a full list exists of banks that have taken TARP money?
No but off-topic I was reading today about how hoildinga a full court press about nationalizing them for two weeks really wasn't a good idea and caused a run on their stock. There is no problem policitians can't make much worse!
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:34 PM (ry3u5)
197 I don't know Jody but I'm taking a good look at one of my local credit unions right about now.
When I saw an "Uncle Sam backs your Deposits" poster at mine it gave me great pause for thought!
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:38 PM (ry3u5)
hey Deety, the reason I ask is I want to start a list of allbanks that took tarp and I want to start a list of all banks that took tarp that make campaign contributions AFTER they took the money. Both politicians local and federal, and how much the contribution is. Nothing will happen right now but the corruption, greed and arrogance of Dems will quickly change that when they think no one is looking. It should be kept track of it, let them hang themselves doing it awhile and then bring it to light at a certain time
Others should do the same, document this stuff. Its more than just changing the messege. Its also about shining a big bright light on the hypocrisy and corruption. Although I think Repubs should right now start thinking how they will combat the voter fraud that wil lhappen come next election. It wil lbe even worse than the last as Zero has showered money on AVCORN and moveon.org. We need to be prepared well in adnvance
Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 05:40 PM (hphNR)
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 05:45 PM (US+1l)
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:46 PM (1jglO)
My understanding is that in some cases banks that didn't even need TARP I money were pressured into signing on, so that none of the big banks would appear to be riskier than the others by virtue of taking the bail out.
Or, it could be like the senior cop handing over a paper bag full of cash lifted from the crime scene to the rookie to make it less likely that the whistle gets blown, since everyone in the squad is dirty.
What concerns me most, is that whatever the reasons motivating the money transfer, the result is that D.C. now has its tentacles wrapped around the throats of these institutions and I don't see this having a good outcome at all.
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 06:02 PM (1jglO)
OK so the guy's new to me, big deal. Can you tell us something more enlightening?
I'd love to!
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.
Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 06:05 PM (hKtiw)
Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 06:07 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 06:10 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:13 PM (hphNR)
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 06:14 PM (US+1l)
Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:15 PM (hphNR)
Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 06:16 PM (1jglO)
Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:19 PM (hphNR)
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 28, 2009 06:20 PM (xAzQj)
Y'all need to read the story Drudge has linked about O's speech to the "State of the Black Union". The link is worded "Obama sees tougher times"
O thinks he is "closing the gap between the nation we are and the nation we can be."
Sorry, I still can't do that linky thing. But the story will piss you off. It actually made me cry.
Posted by: outraged at February 28, 2009 06:29 PM (penCf)
201 7Heavens; Here. Go read. Learn little grasshopper.
I looked at his site as much as I can at 10:45 PM after a long extra day at work, i.e., drinking Valurite and sniffing glue behind the dumpster. Can you enlighten a little further?
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 06:50 PM (ry3u5)
And can you all keep your comments to a bare minimum? Some of us don't like reading through the shit y'all post.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at February 28, 2009 06:52 PM (Z9IOH)
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at February 28, 2009 06:52 PM (PBGAP)
204 Islam sucks.
If you want to know about Islam, you should read the Qur'an. I promise you it will surprise you. (Sura 2:29)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 06:53 PM (ry3u5)
Surprise us about what? The fact that it tells people to beat women? Tell us something we don't know.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at February 28, 2009 06:56 PM (PBGAP)
Anyone else will do nothing but appeal to the Beta-male.
hahaha, okay Politics by Tyler Durden.
Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 07:00 PM (YoMt3)
Wow. Your obvious curiosity and desire to learn is stunning! Would you also like me to read you a bedtime story too?
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 07:03 PM (US+1l)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:12 PM (ry3u5)
Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 07:15 PM (US+1l)
Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 07:22 PM (zplc6)
Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 07:24 PM (zplc6)
a little spooning goes a long way
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at February 28, 2009 07:35 PM (rIOdE)
Surprise us about what?
After reading the Qur'an you will find Islam to be a more powerful threat to the world than you ever imagined it could be. You will be stunned to read that it specifically calls for of cruxifiction, pouring boiling water on peoples' heads, cutting off one hand and then the opposite foot and rubbing salt into the wounds, strangling women with palm ropes, and stoning-to-death as punisments. And yes the beating of women is sanctioned in Islam. Yes, I promise it will surprise you. For you will find Islam is a Satanic Cult that seeks to makes slaves of all unbelievers and their children down to the third generation and to make them all feel that they are slaves. And it aims to do this through long decades of unremitting violence, terror and eventual Nuclear Armageddon at which time Allah shall rise and take his people and a terrible punishment awaits the rest. You will not be the same after you read it, and you will realize how few people know the real truth about this deadly enemy who amis to destroy our world. It has changed me forever. (Sura 2:29)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:36 PM (ry3u5)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:40 PM (ry3u5)
Erik W - Islam sucks.
Islam sucks more than you will ever know without reading the Qur'an.
I used to read Jihad watch and others and think surely this can't be true, Mohammed and Islam cannot really be this evil, who would listen to the? These are clerics that have hijacked a noble and good religion and distorted it to acheive their own ends, but alas, it is not like that. And 3 billion people on this planet are Muslims. Read the Qur'an to know how they think and you will finally understand what we are up against and why we must defeat Liberalism First and then deal with the Islamic termites as they chew the foundatations of everything in the western world. (Sura 2:29)
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:54 PM (ry3u5)
OK so the guy's new to me, big deal. Can you tell us something more enlightening?
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 10:31 PM (ry3u5)
I could but I think it would be better if you did your own research--it's the conservative in me. Actually, there are many good links in the thread so it shouldn't be that tough.
Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 08:02 PM (cgFdI)
I guess I've finally said my piece and will sleep well knowing that his assassins are angered, but that I'm loaded for bear too.
In the name of Allah, the Graciuos, the Merciful, 7HEAVENS says goodnight.
Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 08:03 PM (ry3u5)
Its a joke to see people buying into the Pense isn't an open borders guy. You mean just because McCain bought into Bush's policies and attempted to create a compromise he wasn't an open borders guy?
Some people will believe anything.
I mean look at all the people who believe Obama is going to give you a tax cut.
Does anyone believe that next year your tax burden will be heavier than it was last year? Does anyone believe in four years you will enjoy a higher standard of living than you did during the Bush years?
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at February 28, 2009 09:11 PM (0Qynq)
Posted by: aaabs at March 01, 2009 03:26 AM (6+R+o)
I'm sympathetic to everyone's frustration about top down agendas from either party. Our problem is not in the politics but in the culture. Until that changes, locally, in our towns and neighborhoods, and trickles up into the national agenda, we will have little traction. The "Tea Party" activity is a manifestation of people starting to realize this. America used to be inherently self-organizing. I hope that's still true because that is what will save us.
Posted by: Mr. Peabody at March 01, 2009 05:36 AM (09ntO)
Posted by: Cowboy at March 01, 2009 05:54 AM (vASnq)
Pence is indeed a critter. He listened to his voters and then ignored them and did exactly what he liked.
He is like all the rest of them. Too smart to be concerned about what the voters have to say until his tenure is threatened.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at March 01, 2009 08:27 AM (0Qynq)
i liked Pence's speech, i see him as someone i can fully support, if he can convince me that he is serious about illegal immigration
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Posted by: di butler at March 01, 2009 09:09 AM (qPIRP)
Cont. from above:
I guess in some ways though we hurt ourselves by being so fractious. We start eating our own. There is no such thing as the perfect politician, or perfect Conservative, etc. Why? We have lots of issues. On the left, if you agree on one thing, like abortion, or even if you just hate the "rethuglicans" then that's it. They don't pass the rigors we do on our pols, and sometimes that's not all bad. I consider myself pretty conservative, some libertarian, but I just want someone who gets the basic message. Like Reagan's 11th commandment, you just don't screw over a fellow Conservative. I know this is just a blog, and no one here really knows me, but I think we need to be prepared for the worst, but it's o.k. to have hope. Anyway, sorry I interrupted, but I just get so frustrated seeing the bashing, I understand the frustration, but all I can tell you is, the more ya'll carp here, you are helping the libs. This thread is the very kind of things that the libs get their talking points from. What they do, is find out who conservs either love/.hate, and that's the people they pile on, and they use our words against us.
I'm going to shut up now, thanks for reading all of this long diatribe.
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