February 28, 2009

Mike Pence, Best Speaker at CPAC?
— Ace

I've been told Mike Pence was on fire.

Posted by: Ace at 08:45 AM | Comments (254)
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OT at Drudge, NYT headline:

"Sharp Downturn Clouds Obama Spending Plans".

In other news, "Liquor Store Clerk's Life Clouded by Robber's Bullet".

Posted by: sherlock at February 28, 2009 08:57 AM (L4jPh)

2 I know someone else who was praised for giving good speeches: Barack Obama. Can we stop with this idiotic praise of people for giving good speeches. Who the hell cares about speeches. I care about action. I care about how these losers stand up to the lies and smears and propaganda of the Left, mass media, Democrats and B.O. So they give good speeches to the choir. Who the hell cares. Show me some action. Show me some balls when they get to Washington. Show me some integrity and spine and ACTION. Not "just words". I could give a shit about speeches at CPAC. What I do care about is their lack of action and lack of spine the last 8 years in Washington. Get back to me when they are done enjoying hearing themselves preach the choir and actually start DOING something to get this country back on track.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 09:02 AM (s0Zrm)

3 "I could give a shit about speeches at CPAC. What I do care about is their lack of action and lack of spine the last 8 years in Washington."

I've been thinking the same thing, CPAC has become a joke in my mind. It's not about conservatism anymore, it's about exposure and positioning inside the GOP. Sure Pence gave a good speech but what does it really accomplish?
Makes a few people that like going to conventions feel good for a short time and that's about it.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:12 AM (JV2V8)

4 So they give good speeches to the choir. Who the hell cares.

I do.

How exactly are we supposed to explain our ideals and policy to others without speaking? While action is necessary, it won't automatically bring more people to our side. It would be the height of arrogance to believe that we can attract others by keeping our mouths shut. Don't be obtuse.

Posted by: adamthemad at February 28, 2009 09:15 AM (aUyuV)

5 En Fuego!

Posted by: that guy that shouts En Fuego! at February 28, 2009 09:15 AM (PD1tk)

6 Can we stop with this idiotic praise of people for giving good speeches.

Amen.  So could Hitler.

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 28, 2009 09:16 AM (fWF4Q)

7 "Show me some balls when they get to Washington." You obviously have paid no attention whatsoever to Mike Pence.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:18 AM (V6CDP)

8

This is a serious question; not a joke.

 Why did he not lead us last year instead of the liberal who vowed in mid Sep to cancel the campaign and not debate (a vow which he broke in only 2 days!) until we pased W's partial nationalization bill?

Would the GOP not have done better with a conservative as contrasted to the defeate with a lefty leading?

I may be a dumb grunt but it seems to me the GOP normally gets beat when a liberal is the standard bearer.

Posted by: Rod Stanton at February 28, 2009 09:20 AM (PxBZ2)

9

#2

amen brother!

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:24 AM (RxUMK)

10 "Why did he not lead us last year instead of .... " One reason is that the true deciders in the Republican Party decided from the get-go that a mere Congressman was not a candidate to be taken seriously, regardless of their potential -- witness the treatment of Duncan Hunter, for example, who was written off before a single vote was cast in a single primary. Until we fix our caucus/primary system, so that actual Republicans can actually decide who their candidate should be, we'll continue to be screwed. Somebody here made the suggestion that primaries should be conducted in the order of which states voted most heavily for the Republican in the last election, so that in 2012, Oklahoma, Utah and Mississippi would have three of the first primaries. I'm guessing that would have a big effect on our eventual nominee.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:27 AM (V6CDP)

11 "I've been told..." I thought Ace was there. #2 Preach it, brother!

Posted by: mare at February 28, 2009 09:27 AM (X1fsj)

12 Would the GOP not have done better with a conservative as contrasted to the defeate with a lefty leading?

I think so but that's not who the GOP nominated. Let's face it, the majority of GOP voters don't read blogs, don't know what CPAC is or even know where most politicians stand on the issues. The result? McCain.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:31 AM (JV2V8)

13 Too bad you fucked it up so badly with amnesty, Mike.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:32 AM (1wXl7)

14 "I know someone else who was praised for giving good speeches: Barack Obama..."

Dude, did you read what you just typed?

Obama's speeches, and only Obama's speeches (well, except for that MSM narrative that shilled for him) got him a presidency. He barely voted for action as a legislator, contradicted stated positions regularly, and pretty much hid in plain sight during his rise to power. Yet, somehow, he broke through because of speech and speech alone whether he meant a damn word of it or not.

Movements need speakers. Speech before action. CPAC is the only significant, organized, conservative depot going that mimics the platform used on the campaign trail. It's good practice for a much larger sampling from the Right. Encourage it because we don't have a vast repertoire of substitutes. Consider it the working group for conservative platforms because it sure as hell isn't the GOP.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:33 AM (swuwV)

15 good speech, i loved it....... now where's the beef?

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:33 AM (RxUMK)

16

fuck, fuck, fuck,

Pence is an open borders guy?

god fucking damn it!

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:34 AM (RxUMK)

17

Pence has a rating of  100 last year and 99.43 lifetime by the ACU. That is one of the highest in congress, Contrast that with what was nominated to run against the Vomit. He had a rating of 65 and 82.16 lifetime. He is a liberal and getting more liberal everyday.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 09:36 AM (f6os6)

18 I'm with #2! I'd also like to know what RINOs voted for the budget and if any of them showed up at CPAC.

Posted by: red131 at February 28, 2009 09:38 AM (BCJs+)

19 And as stated again and over and over, until the GOP closes its primaries and rotates the order such that blueblood Republicans don't dominate the early primaries/caucuses, much of what the conservative class wants will continue to fall by the wayside. Our system is rigged to our detriment.

If Steele did nothing else but change our primary process or urge the States to do so, I'd be ecstatic.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:38 AM (swuwV)

20 >> I know someone else who was praised for giving good speeches: Barack Obama. You mean the guy who was elected President? You think there might be a little correlation there? The simple fact is Republican and even more Conservatives have no power in DC and won't for the next 4 years at least. Obama and the libs are going to do just about anything they want. About all we have to fight with now are ideas and words. We need our leaders to be out in front talking as much as possible about what is going on and why we are headed in the wrong direction. I'm as frustrated as anyone at the actions of the so called Conservatives in Congress over the last 8 years but crawling in a hole isn't going to get Conservatives back into power. They better get out there with speeches, articles, interviews, any platform possible if they ever want to get back to a position where they can act.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2009 09:39 AM (VW9/y)

21

ok, he has a 100 rating, so what?

is Pence an open borders guy or not?

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:40 AM (RxUMK)

22 "Too bad you fucked it up so badly with amnesty, Mike." "Pence is an open borders guy?" Pence isn't an "open borders guy," but he was convinced by the Bush administration to try to work out a compromise. I know, that makes him permanently ineligible for some people's votes. If we can't have everything, I guess we're happier with nothing. That's what we've got now. Guess we better run that 13 year old kid who spoke at CPAC, since he hasn't yet made a decision I disagree with.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:44 AM (V6CDP)

23 Pence had a 100 rating *last year*.  And remember, the ratings count actual votes, not DOA proposals.

His amnesty plan was 2006.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:44 AM (1wXl7)

24 "is Pence an open borders guy or not?"

Pence's NumbersUSA report card.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 09:46 AM (swuwV)

25 Yeah, is position on immigration reform popped into my mind when he was talking about "taking a stand on principle".

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:46 AM (JV2V8)

26

is Pence an open borders guy or not?

 

He devised the so-called compromise that got written into the bill that said the illegals had to go home and apply to come back. My opinion was that he was trying to be a loyal Republican for Bush but it is a negative mark.

 

I would not hold that “one” mistake against him in an election.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 09:47 AM (f6os6)

27 The Nancy Pelsoi bit was pretty good though.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 09:50 AM (JV2V8)

28 Great speech.

I can relate to the frustration of other commenters, but JackStraw is right. If the principles of the Right are to win, they must be shared.

Is Pence an open-borders guy? I don't know. It has no bearing on this speech however, as borders weren't mentioned.

If he is though, and you must dismiss him as a viable candidate in the future, do not dismiss the value in speeches such as this in how they can help determine the direction the Conservative movement takes going forward.


Posted by: krakatoa at February 28, 2009 09:51 AM (n4Su9)

29 Let's also recall last year during the campaign. People were disgusted with McCain. Then he gave a one hour interview (great speech!) with Rick Warren and then conservatives and GOP-voters seemingly forgot his last 8 years of bullshit and said "like OMG! I so like McCain now! That one hour has now wiped from my memory all the bullshit of the last 8 years and that one hour performance now makes me trust and adore McCain now!" What an utter joke. McCain was still the same sad sack Lefty Democrat posing as Republican who could not articulate or explain conservatism and small government, because he didn't believe in it. He simply have a one hour decent performance and all of a sudden, people were swooning! I see the same thing happening here with CPAC. And I think lowandslow at #3 hit it on the head. This isn't about conservatism, this is about people making a name for themselves, not for conservative principles. It's just a campaign stop for the politicians who are there. And the rest of the people there just want to go there and take pictures and say "look, look, I got to meet X and get my picture with X, I'm so cool!" It's a sad joke. Then of course we have some of the popular websites on Right ripping into Ann Coulter or criticizing this or that and whining and moaning about this speaker or that speaker or worrying about how our image looks and what we need to say and how we need to say it so we won't have people hate it. I mean, geez, people talk about AllahPundit being a beta-male. The entire Right-of-Center movement, including the GOP and Conservatives are freaking beta-male, worried about image and "oh noes, I can't say this and I can't say that or the evil media will misrepresent me, I can't speak this fact or that fact or this truth or that truth, because it will be smeared and misused by the Left... etc etc etc". The only freaking alpha-male we seem to have on the Right is Ann Coulter. She doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks of her or how the pussies in the media and Left trash her and misrepresent her, she speaks her mind, she speaks the facts, she speaks the truth, PC mass media be damned. We need to stop this beta-male crap on the Right and start going on the offensive. Enough of playing by the PC, biased, unfair rules of the Left, always trying to say the perfect thing in the perfect way so that people will like us and no one will smear us.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 09:56 AM (s0Zrm)

30 Thanks for the link, AD. So he gets an A and an A+ on border control, and an A and an A- on interior enforcement. Not exactly "open borders." The big beef was about his guest worker visas. I'm guessing that, once unemployment gets high enough in the country, the employers Pence was concerned with will be able to find plenty of locals to do those jobs.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 09:56 AM (V6CDP)

31

just got thur reading Pence's 2006 plan (co-author Kay B. Hucthinson)

i'm not happy... in first section they use the phrase that tells me everything i need to know "undocumented immigrants" it's symbolic of a mindset

i don't care if we have to go down to 1 truly conservative congresscritter and build up from there, the important thing is to start with something you can count on.

i don't want to comprise with libs/socialists

i don't want to be their "friends"

i want to grind their whole ideaology into the dust

you can't win a battle unless you can count on those around you 

 

say whatever you want about me, that's what i believe and i'm not backing down from it one bit.

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (RxUMK)

32 Guess we better run that 13 year old kid who spoke at CPAC, since he hasn't yet made a decision I disagree with.

I hate to break this to you notropis but there's a rumor floating around the convention (reliably sourced from hotel room-service insiders) that he strongly advocates square cut pizza over regular wedge shaped slices. 

Can you say unelectable?

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (1jglO)

33 "If he is though, and you must dismiss him as a viable candidate in the future, do not dismiss the value in speeches such as this in how they can help determine the direction the Conservative movement takes going forward."

You're definitely right, but there tends to be a bit of a coronation vibe in these good-speech threads.

And I really do think it's too bad that he did what he did on amnesty.  It was definitely a major, calculated move to break from the purist conservative principles for which he'd until then stood.  And it blew up on him, big time:  who would have guessed that *this* was the issue on which the purists would win?  But of course, if things had gone his way, it would have hugely boosted his perceived stature...  So don't cry for him when the reverse happened.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:57 AM (1wXl7)

34 "The only freaking alpha-male we seem to have on the Right is Ann Coulter."

No, but the real alpha snubbed this year's CPAC.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 09:59 AM (1wXl7)

35

#29

not me, i've disliked McCain's politics ever since McCain-Fiengold, and my opinion has never changed since then, i did not vote for him, i did not vote because of him 

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:00 AM (RxUMK)

36

Let's also recall last year during the campaign. People were disgusted with McCain. Then he gave a one hour interview (great speech!) with Rick Warren and then conservatives and GOP-voters seemingly forgot his last 8 years of bullshit and said "like OMG! I so like McCain now .

 

I failed to see a big uptick in support for McLame from conservatives. In fact, if you look at the election results in the States that switched side you can see wholesale lots that stayed at home. That speech with Rick Warren didn’t change anyone’s mind about McLame.

 

I do agree that Republicans need to grow some balls and start fighting back.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:01 AM (f6os6)

37 RE: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 02:33 PM Yes, Barack Obama gave speeches, but he gave them to the nation. Who outside of the choir knows about Mike Pence? And what is Mike Pence doing to correct that? What is Mike Pence doing in the case of ACTION to get noticed, to get conservatism noticed to get conservatism explained to the masses, not just the choir? What is he doing? Anything? Speeches to the choir won't cut it. What is he doing to get on TV? What is he doing to become the leading voice of the GOP? What is he doing to smack down the Left and the mass media and the Democrats on their lies and smears and vitriol and hatred? In other words, what is he doing besides giving one good speech to the choir at CPAC, which accomplishes jack shit nothing. (Unless any of you can explain to me *anything* of consequence which came out of any CPAC over the course of the last 8 years?) Oh and he's for Amnesty? Fucking brilliant.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:03 AM (s0Zrm)

38 "I know someone else who was praised for giving good speeches: Barack Obama. You mean the guy who was elected President? You think there might be a little correlation there? Hmm, I think you're missing my point about the correlation between giving good speeches and trusting those who give the good speeches. Obama gave good speeches of bullshit and lies. His actions now go against all his flowery empty rhetoric. Thus, I don't give a shit what Mike Pence says. I give a shit what he DOES. I don't care about some stupid speech to the choir. Lots of scumbag politicians know how to give a speech to the choir. The key is do they MEAN it. That can only be determined through ACTION. Thus, I don't give a shit what comes out of a corrupt politician's mouth. I give a shit what they DO. What is Mike Pence DOING. THAT is what matters.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:07 AM (s0Zrm)

39 "What is he doing to become the leading voice of the GOP?" "In other words, what is he doing besides giving one good speech to the choir at CPAC, which accomplishes jack shit nothing." If you actually cared, you could find out. After all, he's the leader of the Congressional Republican Caucus, which I'd submit is doing something to become the leading voice of the GOP, and he just held the caucus together for a unanimous vote against the porkulus package. He also attempted to introduce an alternative package, which got nowhere, thanks to the huge majority the Democrats now enjoy in Congress. So, if you truly wanted to know what he's done and is doing, rather than just enjoying reading yourself spewing spittle, well, it's all out there. I know, though, righteous indignation is so much more fun.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:09 AM (V6CDP)

40 notropis, what is Pence's stand on amnesty/borders?

Posted by: mare at February 28, 2009 10:12 AM (X1fsj)

41
No, but the real alpha snubbed this year's CPAC.

And who's that?

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:12 AM (m/QC6)

42 given the state our country is now in, righteous indignation is a mild response, "righteous fury" more describes my mood right now

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:15 AM (RxUMK)

43 #41

It's probably a reference to Palin.

Posted by: Disease Ridden Vermin at February 28, 2009 10:17 AM (Tha0W)

44 He also attempted to introduce an alternative package, which got nowhere, thanks to the huge majority the Democrats now enjoy in Congress. When the Republicans held the majorities in Congress, the Democrats had absolutely no problem controlling the message and getting in front of the mass media to get their message out to the public. What did Mike Pence do to get in front of the public and flat out call B.O. a liar for saying that the GOP had no alternative except to do nothing? I don't recall hearing Mike Pence taking on the President on those lies and explaining to the public the details of the GOP's alternative. And yes, if the GOP wants to recover, they need to get out in front of the camera and call out B.O. and the Democrats on their *lies*. Not this bullshit "give him a chance" crap. Call him a liar when he lies, call out his lies, explain them to the public and go on the damn offensive. Yeah, I'm pissed off and fed up with this beta-male attitude of the right and the GOP.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 10:19 AM (s0Zrm)

45

Palin did not “snub” CPAC. Her legislator is in session and unlike “the One” she does not fly all over the country when she should be back in the State taking care of business.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:22 AM (f6os6)

46 "What is Pence's stand on amnesty/borders?" See Anonymous Drivel's link, for a good start: Pence's NumbersUSA report card. Pence's big sin was coming up with an expedited guest worker/field worker program, at the behest of the Bush administration, to try to salvage the "comprehensive reform" package of 2006. Other than that, he always has been a stalwart supporter of border enforcement, internal immigration law enforcement, "anchor baby" reform laws, and various other issues near and dear to the conservative view of immigration. I think that's why the Bush administration thought that getting Pence on board with something might improve the legislation's chances of success. From Pence's point of view, the legislation included many enforcement provisions he didn't think could get through otherwise (and he was right about several of them, which now stand not a snowball's chance.)

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:22 AM (V6CDP)

47
It's probably a reference to Palin.

Yeah, probably. The "frontrunner" doesn't even show up at CPAC, but some people are determined to support her in 2012.

Kinda reminds me of Fred. Fred strung these same people along in '07, too.

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:24 AM (m/QC6)

48

Darling

You are sounding more and more like a concern troll every day. Give up

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 10:29 AM (f6os6)

49

Why can't we have both - good speaker and action?

Is it that difficult to find a conservative leader that has a track history of results and can give a good speech?  

I believe that is the source of Palin's popularity.  She fits the bill, unfortunately, she wasn't quite fully prepared for the big stage.  It remains to be seen if she has been too damaged for a legitimate run in 2012. 

The other element that I am convinced is absolutely necessary is physical attractiveness.  It is an unfortunate limiting factor of Amerian society and you just cannot ignore it.  The less attractive great conservatives can serve in important cabinet posts.  Steve Forbes was a great conservative candidate, but the guy simply was unelectable because he is goofy looking.

Also, it is absolutely required that we look at younger conservative candidates.  No more 70 year old war veterans.  

The RNC needs to provide intense public relations and public speaking training for all its members and future presidential candidates such as Palin, Jindal, Pawlenty, Sanford, Thune, DeMint, Paul Ryan.  A focused coordinated message needs to be developed and then unleash them on any and every tv and radio interview opportunity.  We need to cut through all this liberal media bs and reach the independent and swing voters.  Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News are all preaching to the choir.

One item I disagreed with in Pence's speech was his mocking of Pelosi.  He is wrong when he says that Americans weren't asking "What's in it for me?".  I assure you there are many, many American's that were saying just that.  I work with several of them.  Republicans have a monumental task in convincing these types of people they can provide for themselves much better than the government can.

One more crucial item that must be taken care of is the obscene fund raising that Obama managed to raise online.  Is anything being done to address credit card donation security measures during future elections?   

Posted by: phxjay at February 28, 2009 10:31 AM (YA+FZ)

50 "I don't recall hearing Mike Pence taking on the President on those lies and explaining to the public the details of the GOP's alternative." Then you weren't listening. While he can only do so much to force anyone to carry his message, here's what he had to say about the stimulus and the Republican alternative: http://tinyurl.com/cf2xgl http://tinyurl.com/bzra9n And, I know, those were on the floor of the House. But, given a chance, he also appears whenever possible on the Sunday Morning fora: With a little googling, I found him on "Meet the Press," February 8: Here But, I really don't think you actually want to know, somehow.

Posted by: notropis at February 28, 2009 10:35 AM (V6CDP)

51

since when did advocating for enforcement of our immigration law become a "purist" position? i don't actually count myself as a "purist" anything, my own personal opinion is that the State should not have the power to tell a woman she must have a baby, but i rarely if ever mention that because ppl i count as allies feel so strongly about it and i don't want to offend them, i am willing to give on some issues, but not illegal immigration

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:37 AM (RxUMK)

52 Michael in MI @37

Who knew Obama before his gift of a speech slot at the DNC convention? Politicians have to start somewhere and try to make waves. There's just no way around that regardless of any actual record of significant accomplishment. Obama made speeches to a liberal base during his climb. Yes, his is an exceptional case because Axelrod greased the skids for him at every challenge, but Obama was a no-name too who capitalized on "just words." He worked the local circuits long before he spoke to the nation.

What is Pence doing? I dunno. I haven't followed him that closely, but here he is now trying to set up shop and drawing attention. Now we can look up his record and see if what he has done jives with what he is saying now. He's working. He's pitching. He's challenging. It's how it's done.

Would you rather hear even more about McCain, Dole, Schwarzenegger, Romney, Huckabee, etc. and trust the MSM to spoon feed you their version of more of the same? Isn't it best at this point to hear some new voices and see if they have something to offer? Well, that takes work on our part, too. Pence is making the effort now. It's your turn to return the favor.

If there were another venue to hear these people out, a venue where the debate is timely, comparable, and contemporaneous to events, I'm all for it. Do you know of another?

As to Pence's "open borders" proclivities, he seems to be (much?) better than average overall with a big black mark WRT the importation of high-skilled labor. I'm against that because it impacts me directly, but he's hardly the worst offender. Surely that particular issue will disappear under the current climate, so I worry about that specifically now none at all. If that was Pence's only flaw, and he talks a good game while supporting a decent conservative rating, then I'll hear the man out. I don't care if it's at CPAC or somewhere else. Right now we have CPAC.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 28, 2009 10:38 AM (swuwV)

53 Of course, Ronald Reagan never got anywhere by giving great speeches.

Posted by: rockmom at February 28, 2009 10:39 AM (xOEA9)

54 >>Hmm, I think you're missing my point about the correlation between giving good speeches and trusting those who give the good speeches. No, I get your point and I understand your frustration. But I think no as much as any time, maybe more, is the time for Conservatives to come out with a strong opposition to Obama and his policies. They need to present an alternative. There's a growing theme in the MSM that the Republicans and Conservative are dead as a movement. That we are no just an obstructionist party determined to just say no because we want Obama to fail. It's stupid, particularly after the last 8 years of Reid, Pelosi et al just saying no on anything Bush said. But if it is allowed to go unopposed and if competing ideas aren't presented as a better way why will anyone support them? If they manage to put out a strong message and win back some power in Congress I hope and expect them to back up their words with action. If they don't then I will join you in hammering them.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2009 10:44 AM (VW9/y)

55
In other words, what is he doing besides giving one good speech to the choir at CPAC,

You're right, CPAC is a "just words" convention. The same do-nothing Congressional Republicans don their Conservative hats for one day and show up at CPAC and pretend to be Ronald Reagan .

Their speeches sound exactly like their RNC fundraising letters: plenty of redmeat and they call out by name the Democrat leaders. But they *almost* never do that in Congress.

Where were all these great Conservatives when SCHIP passed? Or the Lilly Ledbtter Act to Benefit Trial Lawyers? During the six Excutive Orders signed by Obama in his first historic month in the White House?

They're always asking for money in those letters to stop Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. Well, while they're in Congress, why aren't they trying to stop Reid, Pelosi, and Obama?

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:44 AM (m/QC6)

56 Mike in MI I agree with you, I am also sick of the emphasis on a good speaker. However, if Conservatives are going to regain seats in Congress and the WH, we will need the vote of the squishy middle. Those Reagan Republicans that went with Obama this time. We need them. The ones I know the voted for the dark side this last election, can be won back. I already feel their frustration on Obama's big left swing. (most of them were convinced he would govern to the center) But we will need an effective communicator, and these clips do Mike Pence justice. Tom in CA formerly IN

Posted by: Tom in CA at February 28, 2009 10:46 AM (gV1dT)

57
I'm watching CSPAN right now.

Why is Alex P. Keaton giving a speech?

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 10:47 AM (m/QC6)

58 there are some here who just dont get it, if you can speak and give a great speech, you can then, thoroughly make your point and policies clear.  There is a diff. between a flowery speech, with no substance (Obama) and a great speech with substance.  People who wanna complain here about, so what he gave a good speech, are retarded.  What do you want then, a shitty speech, you'd be the same dumbasses here saying that he sucks cus he gave a shitty speech.  Apparently, giving a good speech, with no substance, was enough to win a presidential election wasnt it?   or didnt you learn anything? 

Posted by: slizzle at February 28, 2009 10:53 AM (zG+3k)

59 before october politics to me was important but still only a hobby, it was fun and interesting, since october it's not fun anymore the shit that is going on has turned political issues into very possibly life and death issues, i can no longer accept the lesser of two evils, i am looking for someone i can believe in, someone i can count on when the going gets tough, someone i can trust to tell the truth no matter how bad it makes them look, someone who will not cave in for expediency so far the closest i've found to that is Sarah Palin, i'm hoping some more come along, i will look at them one at a time as they come along making my own judgement as to their character, honesty and trustworthiness, my standards are quite high they have to be

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 10:55 AM (RxUMK)

60 i mean hell, McCain couldnt communicate at all and people bashed him for it.  prolly the same wishy washy ones talking shit about a great speech.  these people, should do the world a favor and go home and kill themselves. 

Posted by: slizzle at February 28, 2009 10:56 AM (zG+3k)

61 How about mini-CPACs held in every State every weekend? Sell the message. Sell it like soda and chips, not like laxatives. Set up booths where visitors can make a video for posting on the net. Free food, music, stuff for kids. All that shit. Build into all the activities lessons on what is happening to our nation. Go through the Bill of Rights one by one. Put the most effort into the Second and Tenth Amendments. Generate momentum, shine a light, wake people up.

Posted by: eman at February 28, 2009 10:57 AM (Ee8qq)

62 Not to defend his immigration compromise BS, but Pence did vote no on NCLB and Medicare prescriptions, 2 of GWB's signature issues. That's more than most in the House can say.

Posted by: Oschisms at February 28, 2009 11:03 AM (R7JHf)

63
The point isn't the quality of speech. Our problem is that these guest speakers from Congress aren't out there repeating these same words said at CPAC on the other 364 days in the year. When they're not at CPAC, they're neither talking the talk nor walking the walk.

I'm surprised Susan Collins wasn't at CPAC this year. I mean, why not? She bullshitted the RNC and the Republicans last year into supporting her. And the first chance Collins got to fuck over the GOP, she took it. Without any hesitation, she sided with the Democrats.




Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 11:04 AM (m/QC6)

64

Has everyone seen this story also from CPAC

 

about New Jersey

 

Perhaps the GOP has learned it’s lesson. We’ll see IF they start talking about the primary rules.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:06 AM (f6os6)

65 "Darling You are sounding more and more like a concern troll every day."

LOL.  C'mon, dude, let's be fair:  Darling's been a concern troll from day 1.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:07 AM (1wXl7)

66 We are a self hating lot we are.

Jindahl and Palin will not take the 2012 nom, and if they do, they will lose.

I'm looking for new faces, and I don't know pence even though he's from my state, but I gotta say, that his performance was good and his content was excellent, and he didn't just give a good speech, he would step on the applause and the boos and the cheers.

He didn't speak as a speaker, he spoke as a leader.  There are characteristics to leadership that I see in him.  I don't know if he can follow through in the long run, but just because you don't think he will pres next election is no reason to stomp on the fact that he gave an effective speech that clearly articulated the ideals of the republicans and the conservatives, and the right in general in a way that boby failed at.

I don't know how Mike is extemporaneous, but I do know how Bobby is when prepared.  Bobby did flob the ball even though he was well prepared.  He sounded like he was doing the opening moral statement for fucking picture pages.

Pence might have "just given a speech," but you know who else did that?  The current fucking president, and at least Pence included content, not axiomatic feel good bullshit.

Yes, it's just one speech, SO FAR!

Jesus, go suck allah's cock, if you can't fucking see that the movement needs a leader, unless you are just some guy who wants to whine shit to make you feel good, maybe you can get your mom to make up an illness for you to suffer, while she gets the munchausean satisfaction of hugging her favorite baby.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE GODDAMN NEGATIVITY?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:12 AM (ul7te)

67
LOL.  C'mon, dude, let's be fair:  Darling's been a concern troll from day 1.

Someone? if you are old timer Someone, then you should know that Darling, is just a jackass with serious political views.

I happen to know his habbits a bit.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:15 AM (ul7te)

68 I'd hit it. He looks good.

Posted by: Zelda Starr at February 28, 2009 11:16 AM (sWXql)

69

I'm surprised Susan Collins wasn't at CPAC this year. I mean, why not? She bullshitted the RNC and the Republicans last year into supporting her

 

I saw an article a couple of weeks ago where some liberal ass republican clown responded to a question about the party pulling support from him during the next election and he responded that he would sue them. His position was that the party rules required them to support the incumbent.

 

I checked on that and it is bullshit. The party has to support the nominee of the “party”. If he is not their nominee because he has become a Democrat(R) then they can support someone else.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:21 AM (f6os6)

70 "I'm looking for new faces"

Then you're in the wrong party.

Republicans don't do new faces.  It's Palin, Romney, or Huckabee.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:25 AM (1wXl7)

71 Wait, WP, is it Bart?

I haven't followed all the twists and turns of late.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:27 AM (1wXl7)

72 I thought Darling was Bart.

Posted by: Eleven at February 28, 2009 11:27 AM (NeqJy)

73 I suppose he is.  But pretty much every comment he's made as "Darling" has been trollish.

Posted by: someone at February 28, 2009 11:29 AM (1wXl7)

74 darling is bart.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:29 AM (ul7te)

75
okay, who wants to bet Rush wins the straw poll for 2012?

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 11:32 AM (m/QC6)

76

wickedpinto,

i've read many of your posts and we agree so many issues that i like you and i know your smarter than me and could rip me to shreds if you wanted. but i don't see my attitude as being negative but rather angry, very angry at what's going on, the game has changed, something happened back in sept/oct i'm not exactly sure what it was but it was BIG and we aren't being told the truth about it, instead they are using it to play politics and the longer it goes on the more upset i get, i'm looking for a leader too but i demand they speak the truth

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 11:33 AM (RxUMK)

77 Because no one asked yet:

Where is teh Fred?!

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at February 28, 2009 11:33 AM (SMD8k)

78 Oh and Deety with the square pizza thing was funny.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:34 AM (ul7te)

79

If you go to the "political Machine website that is running a copy of the straw poll you will find that Rush is not on the poll. You will also find that the Paulbots have got to the poll.

 

And other than the paulbots Palin is winning.

 

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 11:40 AM (f6os6)

80 C'mon Darling , stop being so damn contrary. Better start practicing your "Yea, what he said" and your "I agree" 's.  Stop being a thinker, would ya? That's such trollish behavior. 

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 11:42 AM (US+1l)

Posted by: krakatoa at February 28, 2009 11:43 AM (n4Su9)

82 Shoey, for me it was in the nightmare days of aught 2, I remember those days, I was still fresh out of the Corps and filled with idealism, and more than a little self destructive because I wasn't in anymore.

I saw the crisis of september eleventh pushing forward valuable legislation, but some dickholes in congress (btw BOTH CHAMBERS are congress, I have no problem with calling a senator, congressman, and I think that should be the common practice on news show just so we can recognize the biggest cock munchers who want to correct the interviewer with "It's Senator." cuz Senators are congressman, and to get locked into "Senator" is assmunchery of the highest scale) stacked that valuable and meaningful legislation packed with pork.

Executive signing clauses or whatever they are called, should consist of a list of all of the things in the bill that are wasteful and counter to the original intent, but the bill is being signed into law only because, without the signature, the bill wouldn't be passed.

OR,

Veto even EMERGENCY legislation even when it's needed, because ass ramming junkie sack whore's stack it with self serving bullshit, and then declare it to the nation with a "request of time" to the networks.

SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN!!!

BTW, I'm not that smart, I am just pretty good at remembering shit.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 11:44 AM (ul7te)

83

Palin is in AK takin care of bidness, like she's supposed to be doing. She isn't at CPAC pimpin herself out for some ass-kissing. That's one of the reasons I like her. Nothing against Pence, I like him. But don't bad mouth Palin because she's busy running a state.

Palin 2012

Posted by: krukke1 at February 28, 2009 11:48 AM (pSOzi)

84 WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE GODDAMN NEGATIVITY? Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 04:12 PM My problem is that every time some newcomer comes along and gives a good speech, all of a sudden the Right blogs go bonkers for the person. Here's our guy! Listen to that speech! Yeehaw! Good Speech-maker for President 2012! Yeah! This was done with Thompson. This was done with Palin. One good speech is a *start*. Hooray. But I'm sick of the false hip hip hooray of the Right about every newcomer who comes along and gives a good speech, as if they are some sort of rock-star reincarnation of Ronald Reagan. These people are politicians for crying out loud. Their *job*, *duty* and *responsibility* is to adhere to the constitution and not fuck us over. I heard a good speech and nothing more. I'm not going to jump out of my chair over something this guy is PAID to do and is his minimal responsiblity. Our standards seem to have gone so low, that one good speech of basic principles and we are excited beyond belief. That's pretty sad. I will fully admit that I am pissed off and frustrated. After the GOP nominating Captain Amnesty in 2008, I lost all faith in the GOP and GOP-voters. I watched and read righty blog after righty blog post poll after poll after poll and analyzing them with "Hmm, so based on this poll, whom should we support for the GOP primary". Not talk of principles or policies or ideals or values or conservatism. Nope. All that went out the window. People talked of having to support candidate X because he was the only one who could beat Hillary. Then Candidate Y was the only one who could defeat Obama. Then different States were told to vote for candidate Z in order to stop Candidate X, because we want candidate Y. The whole process became a big joke. Instead of encouraging people to research the candidates and no matter what, vote for the one which aligned most with their values, the process became a joke of voting for someone who some geniuses thought could beat Hillary or Obama based on some ridiculous polls. Maybe I spend too much time reading HotAir and that wasn't happened as much over here, but this reminds me of the hip hip hooray stuff that happened over there in comments all the time whenever someone would give a good speech. "Oooh! Oooh! Candidate X gave a good speech today and is polling well! Let's all support him! Oh wait, now candidate Y had a good day and is polling well, let's all support him! Oh wait, now he gave a good interview and got a good review in the paper, let's all support him! Oh wait, now he lost that Primary, he's not 'viable', let's switch to this other crappy candidate and support him because he's 'viable'. And on and on it went. Flavor of the week. So yeah, I'm 100% cynical. And one speech is not going to all of a sudden make me a cheerleader again as some others seem to want to do. This is not a freaking football game and these are not athletes. These are our public servants and they are supposed to serve us and do their jobs. I don't consider doing one's job somethign to cheer and rally and wave flags around. This idol-worship of politicians is getting pretty lame, to say the least. Show me a statesman who will give a good speech and I will say 'good speech'. Show me a statesman who will give a good speech and do his job and I will say 'good job, keep it up.' Show me a statesman who will give a good speech, do his job and defend his words, his ideals and his job to anyone and everyone with fire and fervor and passion and then smack down his detractors' lies and smears and hate and vitriol with the same fire and fervor and then I will start to get excited. But a politician who gives a speech and does his job is to be *expected*, not praised to the hilt as the second coming.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 11:51 AM (s0Zrm)

85

thanks WP

there are a lot of ppl here i like and i don't want fight with them, i'm not trying to be contrary or trollish, sometimes i like to snark it up a bit, but mostly i'm here to bounce my ideas off other ppl and to listen to other ppls ideas in a seriuos effort to come to a better understanding of what's going on in the world.

sometimes i think i would have already gone batshit crazy if not for AoS

and again thanks for not crushing me like a bug

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 11:53 AM (RxUMK)

86

 Mike Pence gave a great speech. We need great speakers. No more inarticulate candidates, especially when the other side is chock full o' professional liars.

He's been a solid conservative. We don't even all agree here-so stop with the purist crap. It's for losers. So is RINO-ism, but Pence is no RINO.

If Obama gave a great speech that made him president, that means our guys who give great speeches can be president, too. Yes, speeches aren't enough-but it is a prerequisite. Even if he never runs, we still need our ideas expressed well and publicly. Lighten up, cranky. 

Posted by: Dutch at February 28, 2009 11:56 AM (2MavL)

87

"don't touch my stuff or i'll kill ya

and any of you homo's touch me, i'll kill ya"

famous words from a famous movie.... i'll try to lighten up

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:04 PM (RxUMK)

88 Michael,

I agree, I am not saying we should storm the fucking bastille to prove the fucking revolution.

I'm just saying, don't poopoo shit before shit is poo.

Allah loves to do that, he loves to gergen the fucking guesses, and it was OH SO FUCKING HARD for that to happen this time (btw I like Allah, I just wish he would stop dragging people down, though about 80% of the time he's right.  Being right is not a virtue. . .well it might be a virtue, but it definately doesn't win you friends, and rubbing in that you were right, is outright fucking arrogance)

True fact, if it was McCain Hillary, I would have voted hillary, and not felt at all bad about it, and I would say it here if she were pres and shit, it's not a false attitude.

But We shit on our own, and we STILL make excuses for the others.  Fact, even ace, with bidens retardation says "Oh but thats just biden, being biden"  Ace does it sarcasticly, but it doesn't change the normal form.

BIDEN IS RETARDED! but we cede value to our opponents, and based on this budget, our enemy, because we are nice, and are looking for proper form. 

Damn, went all wickedpintoy and lost track.

Fuck it.

Give pence a chance, The beatles said so.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:07 PM (ul7te)

89 Count me in as one who thinks Pence's good speech is not to be sneered at. We have to mobilize people to oppose the socialist take-over of our country, granted, and it will take actions and not just words. But the Tea Parties, CPAC, etc. attract some press at least, some visibility, some volunteers and converts. It all has to start somewhere, and a good CPAC speech is worth applauding. We need everyone on board that opposes Obama, RINO's, disgruntled Democrats, Independents with buyer's remorse, all are welcome. We can fight over policy later when we have some power. Right now, we don't have shit, so let's get off the high horse.

Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:07 PM (nRSv7)

90 and shoey, you are a bit of a dick in the threads I've read you.

Thats not a bad thing, and I don't have much a test group yet.

But you tend to be a dick, and only nice to the people you know are old timers.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:09 PM (ul7te)

91 yes, i certainly can be a dick until i get to know a person...

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:12 PM (RxUMK)

92 Hey Michael in MI

Michigan elected Granholm twice, went big for Obama in the midst of a real shitty economy EVEN BEFORE the crash, so why don't you start there and do something about it.

Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (nRSv7)

93 Like I said, not a bad thing.

I'm best known for my breakthrough comment, even though that is such a small part of me.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (ul7te)

94

I like Pence...we need more like him...Palin will get killed in 2012, as the MSM will be pissed that BO is such a flunk..and they will put a hurting on her.

 

We need a person who has style and substance...kind of like Jim Webb but Republican..

can we get him back?

The Jindal train is a VP..not President.yet.

Plus I think we just have another woman in our arsenal that we have missed so far.

We need Palin  with a few changes.

Posted by: ford at February 28, 2009 12:14 PM (Ki7fm)

95 Jason, can't hold one individual responsible for an entire state.

Basicly Michigan is detroit, YAY MICHIGAN only writ large.

Michael has an opinion and his are just as good as all others, until proven wrong.

I think Michael is judgmental, but not wrong.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:15 PM (ul7te)

96 Palin and Jindahl, are VP's, or cabinets, they aren't presidents unless something changes.

I can out charisma both of them in a minute, talking about abortion in reference to tlelaxian clone breaders, while they talk about actual abortion.

Not to mention I can out charisma them period, though sara has far better tits than I do, but I have a bigger dick than jindahl, not cuz I saw it, but because. . . . really.

He's a dot indian, and I'm german/italian.

It's in the rulebooks, I have a bigger dick than a dot indian, and likely most feather indians.

America votes for the man with the biggest dick.  Look at Obama!  He's black!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:20 PM (ul7te)

97 true, just like my state IL. basically is Chicago, if we could get Chi-town to drop off into the Lake, IL would be a pleasant red state... oh well, i guy can dream...

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:20 PM (RxUMK)

98 Michigan elected Granholm twice, went big for Obama in the midst of a real shitty economy EVEN BEFORE the crash, so why don't you start there and do something about it. jason at February 28, 2009 05:14 PM Don't worry. I *am* doing something about it. After being laid off in December and no job opportunities in sight here, I am forced to short sell my house, see my credit I've built up to good now go to shit and move and start my life completely over at 33. I want no part of the racist morons here in the Detroit area who keep voting in more racist morons in Detroit government and the dopes in the majority here in Michigan who keep voting for Granholm/Democrat government.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:22 PM (s0Zrm)

99 "We need Palin  with a few changes."

Maybe, but first what we really need is to win some elections like NY-20, NJ and VA governor for some momentum.  We need  a goal of not getting wiped out in 2010 in the Senate,  and get back some seats in the House.

We need to get some of the blue dogs on board now to oppose Obama's six trillion dollar confiscation of our economy, and at least get SOME changes. We need to oppose socialized medicine, card-check, statehood for DC and a host of other bad ideas that might elicit enough opposition that  Obama might not be able to push them through.

If we can do those things we can then worry about the election of 2012. Arguing about Palin and Jindal now ignores the fact there is a lot to be done before the primaries of the next presidential election start.

Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:24 PM (nRSv7)

100 i just heard, Romney won the CPAC straw poll, Hugh Hewitt had to be sedated, film at 11

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:24 PM (RxUMK)

101 Excellent speech by Pence. I doubt it could be done better.  I'm probably as big a cynic as any  but Pence came across as sincere.  Pence should be a rising star in the GOP (and I wonder why he's not more famous than he is).

Don't one-issue the GOP to death -- some of you are doing that in this thread.  There is no one-size-fits-all in politics.  A 100 rating from the ACU is damn good at ANY time and if Pence keeps that in the high 90s he's in Reagan territory.

Those of you who did not appreciate this great speech from Pence or are going to one-issue him to death might as well go register as Democrats because even if that's not what you are that's what you're going to get with that attitude.

Maybe it's not just RINO Senators we need to get rid of ... maybe it's RINO fuckwarts like some posting on this thread.

Posted by: prairiemain at February 28, 2009 12:25 PM (oPAYR)

102 "Jason, can't hold one individual responsible for an entire state."

Not holding Michael responsible, just pointing out Michigan is a good place to start an anti-tax revolution.

Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 12:26 PM (nRSv7)

103 i really believe that the backlash from all this stuff is going to break the Dem power monoply in Congress (god i hope)

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:26 PM (RxUMK)

104 Generally good, but UGH! Deny funding to planned parenthood ? Really ? That is EXACTLY how you take those people in the middle that ARE against out of control spending, that ARE against bailouts, that ARE against socialism in America, and turn them off. Planned parenthood 1) does plenty of good besides abortions, and 2) has been around for over 60 years, but NOW is the time to stop funding them. All I can say is UGH.

Posted by: deadrody at February 28, 2009 12:30 PM (TxMs4)

105 got to conduct some crass capitalism, catch ya later morons, sorry if i pissed anyone off, even if i don't know ya

Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 12:33 PM (RxUMK)

106 True story, before my birthday, which is in the neighborhood of the fiscal year.

I'm leaving the country.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:33 PM (ul7te)

107 Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 05:07 PM Hey, man, I *am* going to give Mike Pence a chance. But just like your frustration with the negativity of AllahPundit and shitting on something before it is shit, I am tired of the RAH RAH HE'S OUR MAN! crap that I see on the other end of the spectrum. The borderline-orgies over Sarah Palin were ridiculous after a while. Sure, she was a good politician, but she a politician she still is and should be treated as such. Just as there is no need for all the AllahPundit attitude of negativity and pessimism, there is no need for all this idol worship and RAH RAH nonsense either. BOTH, in my opinion, are bad for the cause. Some people who complained about the idol-worship of Obama turned around and acted/act the same way about Sarah Palin. Yeah, I admire the work Sarah Palin has done so far, but she is no Reagan, not even close... yet. She has the opportunity to be in time down the road possibly, but the RAH RAH PALIN IS REAGAN people are as harmful to the cause as the negativity/pessimism of the AllahPundits. And for the record, I greatly admire AllahPundit's work at HotAir on research and stuff, however I have an utter distaste for his political analysis most times, specifically because he dumps on every candidate and makes fun of anyone who seems to like any candidate out there... and take pleasure in making fun of others as well. Yeah, sure, I know it's his blogging shtick, but it gets old a lot of times. I am grateful he is not a cheerleader, but going completely the other way doesn't seem productive either. So my frustration and movement to comment today in response to the post was simply a reaction to what I felt was RAH RAH-ism, which I feel is just as harmful as negativity. There is a lot to be said to treating these people as they are: politicians who are supposed to be our servants, not rock stars who when they give a good speech deserve to be worshiped as some sort of idol reincarnation of Reagan. Yeah, we need leadership, but we also don't need anyone getting their egos all big and bloated, because they have a bunch of RAH RAH cheerleaders.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:34 PM (s0Zrm)

108

Some of you need to go do your homework wrt Pence.  He is rock solid.  Pure?  No, nobody is, but he is SOLID.  And a fighter.  And a believer.

"Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God."~Mike Pence, Sept 2008, Human  Events

 

Posted by: c17wife at February 28, 2009 12:35 PM (8SapG)

109 I forgot to add, Wickedpinto, that I was prepared to vote Hillary as well, were it McCain-Hillary. Reasoning being that they were pretty much the same, but if damage was going to be done, I wanted a Democrat getting the blame, so that the GOP could get back to conservatism and small government. Had McCain won, the GOP would not want to fight him, since they didn't fight Bush on most things. Had Hillary won, I figured the GOP would be more inclined to oppose her and then after seeing Hillary and the Dem Congress try to do half of what Obama and the Dems are doing now, that would have (hopefully) woke people up to at least put the GOP back in charge of Congress to oppose Hillary with a majority.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:38 PM (s0Zrm)

110 your 107 Michael, I agree, but negativism is excessive.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:41 PM (ul7te)

111 true, just like my state IL. basically is Chicago, if we could get Chi-town to drop off into the Lake, IL would be a pleasant red state... oh well, i guy can dream... Posted by: shoey at February 28, 2009 05:20 PM Okay, I liked your comments up until this one. Cus now you're talkin bout my town, man! Chicago man, born and raised, SouthSide Irish. (Went to Purdue for college and then moved to MI for my first job in 1999). Hands off my town, dude. By all means, do a search and remove of all politicians in that shitty ass city government and throw their asses into Lake Michigan, but no way anyone is touching my beloved hometown of Chicago. You do that and you and I are gonna have a problem. heh

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:43 PM (s0Zrm)

112

poll results

 

note that most of the people there were students!

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 12:43 PM (f6os6)

113 Michael, know Hammond?

chicago is my town too, and as long as we could only have the pol's drop into the lake (the largest fresh water reservoir in the world) that would be a good thing.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 12:46 PM (ul7te)

114

"An incessant change of means to attain unalterable ends is always going on; we must take care not to let these sundry means undue eminence in the perspective of our minds; for, since the beginning, there has been an unending cycle of them, and for each its advocates have claimed adoption as the sole solution of successful war."

Granted, General Patton was talking about his war, but this next quote may give a hint of the man and his mettle in all things.

"I always believe in being prepared, even when I'm dressed in white tie and tails"

Posted by: solitary knight at February 28, 2009 12:47 PM (QePUm)

115

Lord Lim-Haw is currently on FOX, holding forth at CPAC on all of America's problems. It's a totally uninspiring hash of his recent one and one half to two hour long repetitive monologues.

He long ago became a legend in his own mind.

We need something fresh and new.

Posted by: Tinian at February 28, 2009 12:47 PM (Ohodx)

116 If we can do those things we can then worry about the election of 2012. Arguing about Palin and Jindal now ignores the fact there is a lot to be done before the primaries of the next presidential election start. Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 05:24 PM Completely agreed. I would also add that we should probably take this time to not focus too much on election victories but to take the time to articulate and explain and teach conservatism to the general public again. Because right now, I honestly don't believe the electorate is center-right anymore. Honestly, I believe it is center-retarded or at the very least center-ignorant. That needs to change before we can expect to start winning elections again on the merits. There is absolutely no way that the Democrats and Obama should have won so big in 2008 if the electorate was informed about the issues. As Rush says, the biggest problem in this nation is ignorance. I would add also that it is apathy. Combine ignorance and apathy and we get radical leftist Democrats in control of our entire Federal government. Everyone by now hopefully realizes that the SOP of the Left/mass media/Democrats is going to be the lie/smear/destroy campaign that Sarah Palin received. Every GOPer will get that now, if not worse. So speeches, nice looks and good message and policies are not enough. The person must also have the balls and the will to stand up to the smear and destroy campaigns of the Left and mass media and Democrats. And that job will be a lot easier once the ignorant public understands what is going on.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:49 PM (s0Zrm)

117

Mike:

 

Its not apathy its a generational swing away from individual responsibility and freedom toward navel gazing and self promotion.

 

Unless we drop the compassionate conservativism and stress individual responsibilities and liberties the party is done.  A party that is more interested in processes than principles is dead. 

 

Pence sucked, he is a sheep in sheep's clothing.  Open borders for all? 

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at February 28, 2009 12:54 PM (0Qynq)

118 Not holding Michael responsible, just pointing out Michigan is a good place to start an anti-tax revolution. Posted by: jason at February 28, 2009 05:26 PM heh, yeah, that ain't gonna be happenin any time soon here. I listen to a lot of local talk radio and local sports talk radio and sometimes they touch on local politics as well. My gosh some of the people calling up giving excuses for the utter filth that is currently in Detroit government is just completely sad. Many of these people re-elected Kwame and still support the guy and think it was racism from his opponents that got him. Then you've got that bitch Monica Conyers. Oy vey. Who has lots of support for her ignorant race baiting bullshit. It's going to take a LONG time to fix this atrocious state when they re-elect criminals like Kwame and re-elect Granholm who won based on blaming all Michigan's economy problems on President Bush in 2004. And I just don't have that kind of time to try to do anything here when I have no fucking job and I hear Obama say something new everyday that tanks my 401(k) and makes companies even less and less willing to hire new people and I have to focus on short-selling my house within the next 2 months before I go broke and can't pay my mortgage anymore. I'm getting the hell outta here before it's too late to get my life turned around again.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 28, 2009 12:56 PM (s0Zrm)

119
We need something fresh and new.

Please, go on.

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 12:59 PM (m/QC6)

120 "I've been told Mike Pence was on fire." I saw that covered over at HuffPo: "Conservative Bursts into Flames; Devil Claims Own"

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2009 01:05 PM (pEXyx)

121
hahaha, look at the sourpuss on the CNN chick.

Well, it's time to spin, CNN. Get to it!

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:14 PM (m/QC6)

122
hahaha, an "angry message" by Limbaugh.

And now she's reading letters from moonbats: "Hitler," "mean-spirited," and "hateful."


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:19 PM (m/QC6)

123 It sure sounds like some people are still going to let the perfect be the enemy of the possible. Seems to me that resulted in far too many mistaking their temper tantrum as a strategy and thereby helped elect Obama.

Posted by: Mark at February 28, 2009 01:19 PM (h0ovq)

124 We need a Rush thread, double stat!

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:21 PM (FS9ko)

125 Rush was AWESOME.  Best Political Speech EVAH! Even better than Zell Miller in 2000.

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:24 PM (FS9ko)

126 Rush fucking rocked. 

Posted by: Kurt at February 28, 2009 01:26 PM (RBij8)

127
okay, who wants to bet Allahcocksuckerpundit will pan Rush's speech?


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:27 PM (m/QC6)

128 *tapping new comments thingy*

Hello? This thing on? Or are you all changing your underwear, as I had to,  after spooging in my pants no less than three times during Rush's "First Address to the Nation"?

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:28 PM (FS9ko)

129 I only know of 3 people who supported candidates in the primaries.  BTW Rush did not.

Medved supported McCain in the Primaries because McCain is the only 'pub who can win, and Medved Proved it, as he likes to say, so, anything michael medved says is worthless cuz he's a self serving idiot, kinda like ALLAH (though ALLAH OWNS on research)

Hewitt, pushed romney, and hewitt was wrong, despite his pedantic theolodiphile obsession, Romney was useless, and will be in a general, just like in the primaries.

I won't horserace the primaries in 2012, which is 3 FUCKING YEARS AWAY! but I can say that everything medvet, hewitt, me and ace, and you are likely wrong.

We need a new face.  I like pence right now, but I will change my mind a bunch of fucking times between now and then.

FUCK!  Want a front runner?  On my Blog, I think I get absolute support if I were to throw my hat into the ring, but thats not gonna create a movement.

Well, I might be a good candidate, but a shitty president.

Hrm. . . .

No, can't work anyways, I will be living in another nation at the time.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:29 PM (ul7te)

130 wait a sec.

do not agree with "let's get over people that give good speeches". Obama and Bush both show us that the content and the medium have to go together. Bush had a few good ideas (especially on foreign policy) but he could not explain them to the public so he got hammered on the public arena and we lost two elections. Obama is selling crap but he knows how to argue and he manages to get it through.

bear with me. i know the media, the establishment etc etc are all in favor of the guy. i know those people are brainwashing the americans. it is still true that we cannot just go out and say "we appeal to the important and fundamental conservative values that all the americans share" and expect the public to figure out the rest. not everybody is a political wonk. not everybody is always up to date on what's going on, what's the problem and how to solve it. most of people want the intellectuals and the politicians to explain the issue and the solutions they propose. if you cannot do that it seems that you do not have one.
politics is the art of persuasion.

many people use rhetorical ability as a proxy for quality of the politicians and of his policies. maybe it's bad, maybe it's good but we cannot just ignore this fact.
we, conservatives, have been the party of ideas for a long time. we produced intellectuals (real ones like Buckley, not echo-chambers morons), think tanks, great public speaker. we cannot just give that up.

we know our product is good. we have to be also good at explain to the public why it's good and why our ways are better. otherwise they'll choose socialism.

Posted by: hayek2009 at February 28, 2009 01:29 PM (uoyZr)

131 The liberal cock suckers are already down playing Rush's "Address to the United States of America" as simply a comedic routine devoid of substance.  The enlightened liberals are incapable of honest debate and always resort to innuendo, slander and serial lying.  Fuck 'um!

Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:33 PM (CG+cG)

132 Of course, Fish. Because he exposed them for what they are, and they are terrified that what he says will have purchase among the electorate. So they are doing everything they can to demean and marginalize him. By Monday everyone will be reminded of his drug use. It's standard operating procedure with these animals.

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:36 PM (FS9ko)

133
Bill Schneider is a piece of shit. Listen to this asshole try to smear Rush and tell the CNN how to think.


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:39 PM (m/QC6)

134
"divisive comments by Rush Limbaugh"

what a fuking joke. what was divisive about his speech?

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:41 PM (m/QC6)

135

THE SOCIAL EVOLUTION OF CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS 


The division of the human family into its two distinct political branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, when humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers. 
 
The pivotal event of societal evolution was the invention of beer. 
This epochal event was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups: Conservatives and Liberals. 
 
Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so it was necessary to stick close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed. 


Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement. 
 
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbecues and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. An interesting evolutionary side note: some of these early liberal men eventually evolved into women. 
 
Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the conservatives provided. 
 
Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. 
 
Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.   Modern liberals like imported beer, but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.


Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. 
 
Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat. 
 
Conservatives drink domestic beer; they eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living. 


Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. The liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed by the conservatives and then created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing. 

 

Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:42 PM (CG+cG)

136 2 to 1 Obama responds to Rush. Rush ridiculed the Messiah, he messed with Joe, he heaped scorn and derision on the Dems and all things liberal. The Narcissist in Chief will not take this lying down. Watch also for the MSM to ramp up their attacks on Rush, airing his dirty laundry for the next twelve news cycles, at least. It's going to be Rush Derangement Syndrome wall to wall in the liberal outlets. Olberdouche will not be silent either. Just watch.

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:44 PM (FS9ko)

137 And don't forget that Rush is deaf, and big boned, and didn't fight in viet... er, did we say that he's fat, 'cause he is.  That invalids any opinions he might hold.

Posted by: The Deciders at February 28, 2009 01:45 PM (PD1tk)

138 I have said this since I was a pre-teen (twelve is pre-teen right?)

"What is Social Security?"  I asked my father,
"It's to make sure you are taken care of when you are old."
"So, it's like family?"
"...."

We have ALWAYS had Social Security, only it wasn't the government who supplied it, it was FAMILY.

My guess is that libs are such hateful little fucks that even their parents can't stand them, so they need SS.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:46 PM (ul7te)

139 Rush had a brilliant remark that will survive all the stupid punditry: Liberalism is cruel.

People have made that comment before but I think at this time, it's important to point out the soul-sucking cruelty of what Obama is doing.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 28, 2009 01:46 PM (i01iV)

140
Why aren't Democrats ever described as divisive?


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:49 PM (m/QC6)

141 Darling @140:

Because they are GOOD. They are COMPASSIONATE. They CARE.

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 01:51 PM (FS9ko)

142 Retard!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:54 PM (ul7te)

143

Methinks the sexy/hot super babe from the Great Wide North hath more testacles than any of this bunch. 

Unfortunately, Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, and Tina Fey really like to make fun of her.  I guess that makes her unelectable.   

Let's get to nominatin' electric Mitt Romney - he'll be more acceptable to those Northeastern types....

Obama 2016 (I think he's got the t-shirts made up already.)

 

Posted by: stickety at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (GYwVX)

144
ahh, so when they tell their flock of sheep that Republicans are evil and to hate Republicans, it's for the good of humanity? I see.

That twit anchorette on CNN characterized Rush's speech as divisive and did not cite a single example from his speech to back up her assertion. So it's automatic: All words out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth are divisive.


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (m/QC6)

145 3 republicans = "bipartisan"  100+ democrats = divisive, CAN't you do the math?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:55 PM (ul7te)

146

Because they are GOOD at scamming money from the producers.

They are COMPASSIONATE when speaking of chickens, snail darters, and moles, but not people.

They CARE about their self-serving interest, and fuck you and your family.

Posted by: Fish at February 28, 2009 01:56 PM (CG+cG)

147
So where's Ace and his reaction to Rush's speech? Is he writing an Allah-esque passive-aggressive rebuke of Rush?

I doubt it. I think Ace will report back in with high regard for Rush's entire speech. But anything is possible...

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 01:58 PM (m/QC6)

148 So it's automatic: All words out of Rush Limbaugh's mouth are divisive.

Once again, RETARD!

You know what is divisive?  working with teddy kennedy for an education union give away with almost half the repub's signing on.

Know what isn't divisive?  an 800 billion bill with 3 republican traitors signing on.

Don't you get it?

IDIOT!!!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 01:58 PM (ul7te)

149

We need something fresh and new.

Please, go on.

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 05:59 PM (m/QC6)

That's the tough part -- the GOP is a stodgy old party that refuses to acknowledge fresh blood (eg. Reagan - Ford).

The real GOP players  have enough money to prosper in the lean times so they don't care. These pubbies have long realized that perpetually playing on the "B Team" is a pretty good deal..

I'd like a dynamic, charismatic, optimist to take the lead but I don't see anyone like that in the mix.

Posted by: Tinian at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (Ohodx)

150 Ace will speak the truth, but he will cave to Allah's greatness.

Ace tends to be a pussy like that, that's why the splitters exist.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (ul7te)

151 Think it has anything to do with the eeyore's tinian?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 02:00 PM (ul7te)

152

U-Tube has part of the Rush address now.

 

It is labeled as an attack on Newt but I don't see that.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2009 02:01 PM (f6os6)

153 I'd like a dynamic, charismatic, optimist to take the lead but I don't see anyone like that in the mix.

How about Rush? Is he not a better, more dynamic, more interesting, more articulate, more sincere voice of conservatism than anyone else out there?

We could of course run Romney. We could also run a mannequin from Men's Warehouse and no one would know the difference.

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 02:04 PM (FS9ko)

154 But sure. Let's run Romney. Make Palin or Jindal his running mate. I like getting sand kicked in my face. I love wedgies. Please sir, may have another?

Posted by: Milesdei at February 28, 2009 02:06 PM (FS9ko)

155 Why aren't Democrats ever described as divisive?

Because Darling, (may I call you Darling?) they merely use division as a means to an end.  It's just a tool, not an essential attribute.

Their fundamental nature is not divisiveness but rather unity.  Totalitarian, soul crushing and hive-like unity.

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 02:08 PM (1jglO)

156
I nominate Ann Coulter's arms for 2012!

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 02:10 PM (m/QC6)

157
While Rush was giving his speech, CSPAN was airing the racist Al Sharpton & friends at the Black Union.

Talk about a stark contrast in philosophy. Rush explained we didn't need to tailor our message to reach blacks, indians, gays, etc. because Conservatism is blind to the social divisions created by the Left. And Sharpton and the other poverty pimps were explaining how "Whitey" is the cause of all the problems in the "black community."

But you'll never hear anyone on CNN call Sharpton or Cornell cocksucker West divisive.

Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 02:16 PM (m/QC6)

158

Hey Michael in MI

Here in OH, we have a great song about MI.

Ever heard it? "Don't give a shit about the whole state of Michigan.....We're from O-HI-O"

Sounds like you don't give a shit about it either.

Posted by: outraged at February 28, 2009 02:25 PM (penCf)

159

Folks let's begin the beguine, Pence speaks well, I'll bet he can even say nuclear correctly. 

PENCE/KEYES,  PENCE/PALIN,  KEYES/PALIN

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 02:32 PM (peS/x)

160

135 -

That was pretty epic, fish.

Only thing I'd add is, when conservatives work fields dominated by Libs, its typically because its affords opportunities for laughs or they inhabit some benighted lib wasteland where there's nothing much else to do.

I do suicide hotlines [popular in Lib lands - hmmm] and STD/HIV/AIDS notifications. But I admit to being a sick pup in privately LOLing at societal decay in NY.

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 02:36 PM (LYTPf)

161 I think wicked pinto needs to lay off the cough syrup.

Posted by: ford at February 28, 2009 02:49 PM (Ki7fm)

162 Why do some conservatives act like Bush's immigration reform plan passed? It didn't.

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 02:53 PM (zmiSr)

163

America votes for the man with the biggest dick.

That would be Sarah Palin.

Posted by: payaso at February 28, 2009 02:56 PM (wJ2/3)

164

Mike Pence is a good speaker. But he's also an excellent statesman.

In Indiana he had a radio show. I listened back then. He gets it. 

Look at Pence's voting record, his life history, and listen to his actual words. It's all in line with real conservative principles. Don't discount him just because he may be polished. Because, if you listen to his speeches then you'll know popularity with the MSM is not his aim. He's courageous in the real sense. He's not a political showman ala Obama. He's us. To him, it's about righting our country. So just because Mike Pence never showed up on your radar doesn't mean he wasn't working for us all along.

Posted by: Mainstreet at February 28, 2009 03:04 PM (1kwr2)

165 I agree with Wickedpinto, though I'll fo further.

I don't like a lot of the negativity I'm hearing on the conservative blogs these days. Full-fledged BDS, Jindal is a loser b/c he screwed up one speech, etc. Perhaps we should figure out the real reasons why the conservative movement is fracturing while espousing conservative ideals. Seriously, anymore Bush hatred & I'm going to scream.  

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 03:09 PM (zmiSr)

166 I'm trying to download the Rush speech on Youtube now. Someone else grab it if you've got a fast connection. This is the kind of thing that gets 'disappeared.'

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2009 03:12 PM (pEXyx)

167

Concern Trolls!

A despicably fascinating creature that makes it's home in hedgerows and beneath small, stone bridges. The Concern Troll spends its time annoying innocent travellers by jumping out and making sounds that resemble deep flatulence and tornado warning sirens.

Concern Trolls feed on their own excrement and travellers are advised to keep moving as the Concern Troll will endeavour to get in their path and drop a pile of shit.

Posted by: Lord Fauntleroy Fudgehammer, 17th Earl of Roundbottom at February 28, 2009 03:42 PM (hKtiw)

168 liked pence's speech.  need some leaders with senses of humor and can really articulate positions.  so ace... gonna run any time soon?

ot: just watched defiance and gran torino.  enjoyed both.  feel sick from too much popcorn.  uuughhhh.  then find out paul harvey died.  RIP you ol' legend you.

Posted by: A.G. at February 28, 2009 03:46 PM (JoIvi)

169 Concern Trolls!

CURSE YOU DARLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 03:51 PM (ul7te)

170 He perfectly describes the current political climate & weaves history & humour into his expression of conservative ideas. I'm extremely impressed.

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 03:53 PM (zmiSr)

171 and for some more OT:

the marginalizing marxists out there are saying (economic) libertarianism is a mental disorder.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/02/25/
is-libertarianism-a-sign-of-mental-illness/

and a study in the NYT says: "the skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence"
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/
health/011800hth-behavior-incompetents.html

Posted by: A.G. at February 28, 2009 03:58 PM (JoIvi)

172 What about that 13 year old that gave a speech? Maybe we should run HIM for President. He's not really underage, just short. His birth certificate can prove it, but he doesn't need to release it or anything...

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 28, 2009 04:00 PM (iafWn)

173 "She [Nancy Pelosi] thinks the American people are a bunch of congressmen."

I love it!

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 04:01 PM (zmiSr)

174

@32: Pizza slicing is a just a wedge issue.  Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at February 28, 2009 04:03 PM (8MuSQ)

175

Hrm. the New Scientist has an article saying that more cons watch pron than libs.

So now we'll have to ban conservatism for teh children....

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:03 PM (LYTPf)

176

Dammit --- and wildly OT! Fucking liberal Democrat and Obama supporter Warren Buffett writes in his letter to Berkshire Hathaway stockholders:

"Economic medicine that was previously meted out by the cupful has recently been dispensed by the barrel. These once-unthinkable dosages will almost certainly bring on unwelcome aftereffects."

No shit, Warren!

Posted by: Andy at February 28, 2009 04:08 PM (B+HYX)

177 OT

Paul Harvey died today at 90.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2009 04:13 PM (JV2V8)

178

The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users; Montana bought the least with 1.92 per 1000. "The differences here are not so stark," Edelman says.

Number 10 on the list was West Virginia at 2.94 subscriptions per 1000, while number 41, Michigan, averaged 2.32.

Eight of the top 10 pornography consuming states gave their electoral votes to John McCain in last year's presidential election – Florida and Hawaii were the exceptions. While six out of the lowest 10 favoured Barack Obama.

The point being?

Are Cons hornier than Libs? I hope so, I subscribe to the Roe Effect.

May they multiply like rabbits!

Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:23 PM (hKtiw)

179

Paul Harvey died today at 90.

Godspeed, good sir.

Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:27 PM (hKtiw)

180 Liberals are too full of hate to even enjoy porn.  Sad, that is.

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 04:28 PM (US+1l)

181 That study on pr0n has been debunked.  Check NRO's Corner for some of the high points.

Posted by: Disease Ridden Vermin at February 28, 2009 04:33 PM (Tha0W)

182

Actually, I think its b/c libs are too taxed-out and broke to buy pron subscriptions.

Plus, they fear the state they live in, since your job would be cut and your kids taken away if anybody knew you were subscribed to 'titclamps dot com'

And your wife would leave you for another woman and your dog would bite you. Its like a damned country song up here.

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:34 PM (LYTPf)

183 @182 EMBWBAM

You suck.  That website doesn't exist.

Posted by: MikeO at February 28, 2009 04:43 PM (4sSHg)

184 Farewell, Paul Harvey.  I'm honored to call him one of our own.

Posted by: katya at February 28, 2009 04:43 PM (oRJZj)

185

183 -

Sounds like a business opportunity.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 04:45 PM (LYTPf)

186

Hey, outrage, look up "Fan Script Ohio" on YouTube.

It's good shit!

Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 04:48 PM (hKtiw)

187 68 I'd hit it. He looks good.

Posted by: Zelda Starr at February 28, 2009 04:16 PM (sWXql)

That's what I was thinking too.

And those who think that Pence is new must have just recently removed their head from their fourth point of contact.  So you start paying attention and talking smack now that we're about to turn commie, eh?  Wonderful.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 05:02 PM (cgFdI)

188 So, I'm listening to Rush's speech on Youtube, & he hit it out of the park earlier!

Posted by: '80sBaby at February 28, 2009 05:04 PM (zmiSr)

189 America votes for the man with the biggest dick.  Look at Obama!  He's black!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at February 28, 2009 05:20 PM (ul7te)

Judging from Michelle's attitude, teh One might have a few more recessive traits than are visible. /racist

Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 05:17 PM (cgFdI)

190 LM[white skinny]AO

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at February 28, 2009 05:21 PM (LYTPf)

191

90 and shoey, you are a bit of a dick in the threads I've read you.

Does anyone see irony here, or is it just me? 

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:22 PM (ry3u5)

192 "And those who think that Pence is new must have just recently removed their head from their fourth point of contact.  So you start paying attention and talking smack now that we're about to turn commie, eh?  Wonderful."

You tell 'em baldi

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 05:25 PM (US+1l)

193 The biggest consumer, Utah, averaged 5.47 adult content subscriptions per 1000 home broadband users...Michigan, averaged 2.32.


So what do you suppose is the number of strip clubs / massage parlors per capita in say, Salt Lake City vs. Detroit?

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:26 PM (1jglO)

194 Pence sounded good, let's hope he is.  Even the Imams know conservatives need someone who can speak well.  Let's wait and see. 

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:27 PM (ry3u5)

195 off topic but does anyone know if a full list exists of banks that have taken TARP money?

Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 05:31 PM (hphNR)

196

And those who think that Pence is new must have just recently removed their head from their fourth point of contact. 

OK so the guy's new to me, big deal.  Can you tell us something more enlightening?

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:31 PM (ry3u5)

197 I don't know Jody but I'm taking a good look at one of my local credit unions right about now.

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:32 PM (1jglO)

198

195 off topic but does anyone know if a full list exists of banks that have taken TARP money?

No but off-topic I was reading today about how hoildinga a full court press about nationalizing them for two weeks really wasn't a good idea and caused a run on their stock.  There is no problem policitians can't make much worse!

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:34 PM (ry3u5)

199

197 I don't know Jody but I'm taking a good look at one of my local credit unions right about now.

When I saw an "Uncle Sam backs your Deposits" poster at mine it gave me great pause for thought!

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 05:38 PM (ry3u5)

200

hey Deety, the reason I ask is I want to start a list of allbanks that took tarp and I want to start a list of all banks that took tarp that make campaign contributions AFTER they took the money. Both politicians local and federal, and how much the contribution is. Nothing will happen right now but the corruption, greed and arrogance of Dems will quickly change that when they think no one is looking. It should be kept track of it, let them hang themselves doing it awhile and then bring it to light at a certain time

 

Others should do the same, document this stuff. Its more than just changing the messege. Its also about shining a big bright light on the hypocrisy and corruption. Although I think Repubs should right now start thinking how they will combat the voter fraud that wil lhappen come next election. It wil lbe even worse than the last as Zero has showered money on AVCORN and moveon.org. We need to be prepared well in adnvance

Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 05:40 PM (hphNR)

201 7Heavens;  Here.  Go read.  Learn little grasshopper.

http://mpcc.tru-voip.com/speeches.htm

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 05:45 PM (US+1l)

202 @174: I call BS on that "wedge issue" dismissal.  It speaks to his character.  If he's susceptible to this kind of fringe ideology, who knows what kind of skeletons this obvious whack-job has hidden in his closet?

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 05:46 PM (1jglO)

203 Jody C.

My understanding is that in some cases banks that didn't even need TARP I money were pressured into signing on, so that none of the big banks would appear to be riskier than the others by virtue of taking the bail out.

Or, it could be like the senior cop handing over a paper bag full of cash lifted from the crime scene to the rookie to make it less likely that the whistle gets blown, since everyone in the squad is dirty.

What concerns me most, is that whatever the reasons motivating the money transfer, the result is that D.C. now has its tentacles wrapped around the throats of these institutions and I don't see this having a good outcome at all.

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 06:02 PM (1jglO)

204

OK so the guy's new to me, big deal.  Can you tell us something more enlightening?

I'd love to!

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.

John 3:16

Islam sucks.

Posted by: ErikW at February 28, 2009 06:05 PM (hKtiw)

205 O/T:   In the category of "holy crap we are screwed", Warren buffet issued his letters to investors this morning and it can be found here:    http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/

Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 06:07 PM (zplc6)

206 Jody C  If you go to the banks implode website, you can find all kinds of informaiton compiled there. 

Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 06:10 PM (zplc6)

207 got an http?

Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:13 PM (hphNR)

208 Don't give ol' Warren so much credit.  The more he talks down the market, the more he gets to buy on the cheap.  Warren is Sores in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 06:14 PM (US+1l)

209 I found the implode-o-meter website but is this banks that have imploded AND taken tarp money as well? 336!

Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:15 PM (hphNR)

Posted by: Deety at February 28, 2009 06:16 PM (1jglO)

211 thanks for the info deety. this is a different site from the other one. I think the one I first had was mortage lenders but not just banks, lots of wallstreet names in there. Jeez, 336 of them. seeing it al lin one place is staggering

Posted by: Jody C. at February 28, 2009 06:19 PM (hphNR)

212 Checking out the headline link about Berlin car arson, I click randomly around the map of flaming vehicles, and note that those Berlin retards still have a 'Karl Marx Street' (on which, ironically, a Mercedes-Benz has been torched). Wonder if they've got a Martin-Bormann-Strasse too, the clueless servile fucks.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 28, 2009 06:20 PM (xAzQj)

213

Y'all need to read the story Drudge has linked about O's speech to the "State of the Black Union".  The link is worded "Obama sees tougher times"

O thinks he is "closing the gap between the nation we are and the nation we can be."

 Sorry, I still can't do that linky thing. But the story will piss you off.  It actually made me cry.

Posted by: outraged at February 28, 2009 06:29 PM (penCf)

214

201 7Heavens;  Here.  Go read.  Learn little grasshopper.

I looked at his site as much as I can at 10:45 PM after a long extra day at work, i.e., drinking Valurite and sniffing glue behind the dumpster.  Can you enlighten a little further?

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 06:50 PM (ry3u5)

215 A lot of the people here are beta-males. Take your pick: Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal. Anyone else will do nothing but appeal to the Beta-male.

And can you all keep your comments to a bare minimum? Some of us don't like reading through the shit y'all post.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at February 28, 2009 06:52 PM (Z9IOH)

216 I can haz overnite thread?

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at February 28, 2009 06:52 PM (PBGAP)

217

204 Islam sucks.

If you want to know about Islam, you should read the Qur'an.  I promise you it will surprise you.  (Sura 2:29)

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 06:53 PM (ry3u5)

218 #217
Surprise us about what?  The fact that it tells people to beat women?  Tell us something we don't know.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at February 28, 2009 06:56 PM (PBGAP)

219
Anyone else will do nothing but appeal to the Beta-male.

hahaha, okay Politics by Tyler Durden.


Posted by: Darling at February 28, 2009 07:00 PM (YoMt3)

220 "Can you enlighten a little further?"

Wow.  Your obvious curiosity and desire to learn is stunning!  Would you also like me to read you a bedtime story too?

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 07:03 PM (US+1l)

221 Annie - If you have something to say about Pence why don't you simply say it?

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:12 PM (ry3u5)

222 Everything I have to say about Pence was at the link I provided to you.  You can read here but not there?  I gave up spoon feeding a long time ago.

Posted by: annie at February 28, 2009 07:15 PM (US+1l)

223 Jody C, here it is:  http://bankimplode.com/  oh and dealbreaker has a lot of information all over the site:  http://www.dealbreaker.com/.  Both sites lead you to other sites with information.

Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 07:22 PM (zplc6)

224 Jody C. you can ask the bankers on dealbreaker where there is a list of banks that accepted TARP money and seriously they would probably know right off the top of their heads.  

Posted by: silly at February 28, 2009 07:24 PM (zplc6)

225

annie

a little spooning goes a long way

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at February 28, 2009 07:35 PM (rIOdE)

226

218 #217
Surprise us about what? 

After reading the Qur'an you will find Islam to be a more powerful threat to the world than you ever imagined it could be.  You will be stunned to read that it specifically calls for of cruxifiction, pouring boiling water on peoples' heads, cutting off one hand and then the opposite foot and rubbing salt into the wounds, strangling women with palm ropes, and stoning-to-death as punisments.  And yes the beating of women is sanctioned in Islam.  Yes, I promise it will surprise you.  For you will find Islam is a Satanic Cult that seeks to makes slaves of all unbelievers and their children down to the third generation and to make them all feel that they are slaves. And it aims to do this through long decades of unremitting violence, terror and eventual Nuclear Armageddon at which time Allah shall rise and take his people and a terrible punishment awaits the rest.  You will not be the same after you read it, and you will realize how few people know the real truth about this deadly enemy who amis to destroy our world. It has changed me forever.  (Sura 2:29)

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:36 PM (ry3u5)

227 Annie - I have a sweetheart of a sister named Annie, can I assume you don't like Pence?

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:40 PM (ry3u5)

228

Erik W  -  Islam sucks. 

Islam sucks more than you will ever know without reading the Qur'an. 

I used to read Jihad watch and others and think surely this can't be true, Mohammed and Islam cannot really be this evil, who would listen to the? These are clerics that have hijacked a noble and good religion and distorted it to acheive their own ends, but alas, it is not like that.  And 3 billion people on this planet are Muslims.  Read the Qur'an to know how they think and you will finally understand what we are up against and why we must defeat Liberalism First and then deal with the Islamic termites as they chew the foundatations of everything in the western world.  (Sura 2:29)

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 07:54 PM (ry3u5)

229

OK so the guy's new to me, big deal.  Can you tell us something more enlightening?

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 10:31 PM (ry3u5)

I could but I think it would be better if you did your own research--it's the conservative in me.  Actually, there are many good links in the thread so it shouldn't be that tough.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 28, 2009 08:02 PM (cgFdI)

230

I guess I've finally said my piece and will sleep well knowing that his assassins are angered, but that I'm loaded for bear too. 

In the name of Allah, the Graciuos, the Merciful, 7HEAVENS says goodnight.  

 (Sura 2:29)

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at February 28, 2009 08:03 PM (ry3u5)

231

Its a joke to see people buying into the Pense isn't an open borders guy.  You mean just because McCain bought into Bush's policies and attempted to create a compromise he wasn't an open borders guy?

 

 

Some people will believe anything.

 

I mean look at all the people who believe Obama is going to give you a tax cut.

 

 

Does anyone believe that next year your tax burden will be heavier than it was last year?  Does anyone believe in four years you will enjoy a higher standard of living than you did during the Bush years?

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at February 28, 2009 09:11 PM (0Qynq)

Posted by: aaabs at March 01, 2009 03:26 AM (6+R+o)

233
I'm sympathetic to everyone's frustration about top down agendas from either party.   Our problem is not in the politics but in the culture.  Until that changes, locally, in our towns and neighborhoods, and trickles up into the national agenda, we will have little traction.  The "Tea Party" activity is a manifestation of people starting to realize this.  America used to be inherently self-organizing.  I hope that's still true because that is what will save us.



Posted by: Mr. Peabody at March 01, 2009 05:36 AM (09ntO)

234 Pence is my critter, and he's a good one.  He spends a lot of time here, in small venues really listening to his constituents.  He's the only representative I've ever had that I thought actually listened to me.  I  wrote him during the borders dispute and he answered back giving a clear explanation of what he'd heard from his constituents and how he was going to vote and why.

Posted by: Cowboy at March 01, 2009 05:54 AM (vASnq)

235

Pence is indeed a critter.  He listened to his voters and then ignored them and did exactly what he liked.

 

He is like all the rest of them.  Too smart to be concerned about what the voters have to say until his tenure is threatened.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at March 01, 2009 08:27 AM (0Qynq)

236

i liked Pence's speech, i see him as someone i can fully support, if he can convince me that he is serious about illegal immigration

Posted by: shoey at March 01, 2009 08:44 AM (RxUMK)

237 O.k., I know I don't post here very much, but I wanted to say something. I used to really like to read HotAir, but it has started getting more and more bitter. I realize that everyone was down and out after we lost the election, but I swear, it has gotten downright cruel over there in the comments. it doesn't help that they recently did their open enrollment deal. I think Allah and Ed are still pretty much the same, but it is a total bash on someone, daily. I know some of the people here blog there, so I guess I was hoping ya'll would mention that people that just read the blog, and don't post, ( that's a lot of people), that people are talking smack about the blog on a lot of different sites. Maybe no one here cares, that's cool, but I think it is a really good blog when it tries. But, shit, the pile on is either Jindal, Christians, Palin, McCain, etc., lather, rinse, repeat! Anyway, I have been reading here at Ace for about 3 yrs now, and a few months back decided to post. The people here act like morons, and that's a good thing, but ya'll also have good discussion. I have been working for the Republican party since I was 14. My mom has worked for the party in her state for 30 yrs., and so I just got interested and now, at 42, I've been doing it for a while now. The best part about being a Conservative Republican, to me, is the fact that we are not damn sheeple. I love that we all make up our own minds about every single thing. Which makes for lively debate! You ever wonder why the Libs like to troll on Conserv. blogs? Because they want to argue, and on the left, they all march in lockstep. It would really be boring if we all did that on our side.

Posted by: di butler at March 01, 2009 09:09 AM (qPIRP)

238

Cont. from above:

I guess in some ways though we hurt ourselves by being so fractious. We start eating our own. There is no such thing as the perfect politician, or perfect Conservative, etc. Why? We have lots of issues. On the left, if you agree on one thing, like abortion, or even if you just hate the "rethuglicans" then that's it. They don't pass the rigors we do on our pols, and sometimes that's not all bad. I consider myself pretty conservative, some libertarian, but I just want someone who gets the basic message. Like Reagan's 11th commandment, you just don't screw over a fellow Conservative. I know this is just a blog, and no one here really knows me, but I think we need to be prepared for the worst, but it's o.k. to have hope. Anyway, sorry I interrupted, but I just get so frustrated seeing the bashing,  I understand the frustration, but all I can tell you is, the more ya'll carp here, you are helping the libs. This thread is the very kind of things that the libs get their talking points from. What they do, is find out who conservs either love/.hate, and that's the people they pile on, and they use our words against us.

I'm going to shut up now, thanks for reading all of this long diatribe.

Posted by: di butler at March 01, 2009 09:32 AM (qPIRP)

239 DEmocrats stick together. republicans have this need to be loved. Newt leads the battle and wins, he becomes teh target, and his firnds desert him. Delay leads the battle, becomes a target and is abandoned. Palin comes forward and is creamed with not much support. GWB was targeted but didn't even defend himself. We gotta stand up

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