May 31, 2016

Mid-Morning Open Thread: Rejected Art Edition [CBD]
— Open Blogger


Whalers.jpg

Whalers
Joseph Mallord William Turner 1845

Turner was seventy years old when Whalers debuted to mixed reviews at the Royal Academy exhibition of 1845. Its subject proved elusive, as the English novelist William Thackeray observed: "That is not a smear of purple you see yonder, but a beautiful whale, whose tail has just slapped a half-dozen whale-boats into perdition; and as for what you fancied to be a few zig-zag lines spattered on the canvas at hap-hazard, look! they turn out to be a ship with all her sails." Apparently Turner undertook the painting—which was returned to him—for the collector Elhanan Bicknell, who had made his fortune in the whale-oil business.

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1 Yes

Posted by: NativeNH at May 31, 2016 04:57 AM (thAv4)

2 No!!!

Posted by: scrood at May 31, 2016 05:00 AM (3b9U4)

3 Also known as "Whaling On the Great Plains"

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at May 31, 2016 05:00 AM (SCcgT)

4 I really like Turner but this looks more like a study than a completed work by him. Even so, you can still sense the energy and the movement, particularly of the whale.

Posted by: alexthechick - All The Whatever Hands at May 31, 2016 05:01 AM (mf5HN)

5 I shall call it The Sneeze.

Posted by: Phlegmmy McHockenspit at May 31, 2016 05:01 AM (e8U/R)

6 Now we're the Hurricanes.

Posted by: Whalers at May 31, 2016 05:01 AM (H9MG5)

7 maybe

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 05:01 AM (0O7c5)

8 i can't see the whale.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 05:02 AM (0O7c5)

9 Hey I'll take that painting off their hands

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 31, 2016 05:04 AM (LorSp)

10 i like it.

Posted by: eman at May 31, 2016 05:04 AM (MQEz6)

11 Looks pretty good to Me...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:04 AM (O2RFr)

12 I love Turner, but that looks rushed & incomplete.

Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2016 05:05 AM (7HtZB)

13 Moby Dick: Thar she blows! My, what a big ....

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at May 31, 2016 05:06 AM (DUqif)

14 Better than I can do.


I am pretty much limited to trace-my-hand-turkeys at Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 05:06 AM (Nxqko)

15 I'd have it.. mostly because it leaves so much to the minds eye to see..

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:06 AM (aQQbl)

16 I really like Turner but this looks more like a study than a completed work by him. Helluva way to fake it.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at May 31, 2016 05:07 AM (DUqif)

17 "Cutty Sark Rams U-237, With Sea-Mountains."

Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2016 05:07 AM (Bdeb0)

18 Wormsign : The Original Cover Art for 'Dune'

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 05:07 AM (Nxqko)

19 Saw this yesterday Feminist : "men will never know what it is like to be a woman" *man puts on wig* Feminist: "She is 100% woman!!!" wait, what?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 05:08 AM (39g3+)

20 I could never get into Turner. But what about his porn collection?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 05:09 AM (iQIUe)

21 And now, a word from Bernie Sanders. http://i.imgur.com/6oFC9rI.jpg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 05:09 AM (Nwg0u)

22 I never liked how Turner beat Tina

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 05:09 AM (39g3+)

23 BK is bringing back the Whaler fish sandwich! The Whaler is predominantly featured in the new 'Ghostbusters' movie. Melissa McCarthy is in our commercials using the tag line: 'Ahoy Sailor, got a Whaler?'.

Posted by: Burger King at May 31, 2016 05:11 AM (gwG9s)

24 We're whalers on the moon...

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2016 05:12 AM (X+Fef)

25 I'd have it.. mostly because it leaves so much to the minds eye to see.. Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 10:06 AM (aQQbl) I think if I didn't know it was a Turner I would like it more. I do like that it's borderline impressionistic and you can fill in your own story. I like this by Turner quite a bit. http://bit.ly/1sIGJ8x A Rocky Shore, With Men Attempting to Rescue a Storm Tossed Boat (1792-93) Again, that's something I would like to see in person. I wonder how the colors are holding up.

Posted by: alexthechick - All The Whatever Hands at May 31, 2016 05:12 AM (mf5HN)

26 Last words - The Sun is God

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 05:12 AM (/CXhS)

27 23 BK is bringing back the Whaler fish sandwich! The Whaler is predominantly featured in the new 'Ghostbusters' movie. Melissa McCarthy is in our commercials using the tag line: 'Ahoy Sailor, got a Whaler?'. Yum..... Fat, breading and grease... The three food groups!

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:12 AM (O2RFr)

28 We're whalers on the moon We carry a harpoon But there ain't no whales So we tell tall tales And sing a whaling tune. #trigglypuff ho!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:12 AM (fOgSR)

29 There's something fishy about this painting.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at May 31, 2016 05:14 AM (KUaJL)

30 I forgot Pixie's whimsy. Here's a better link. http://tinyurl.com/z9c9gfk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 05:14 AM (Nwg0u)

31 In 1785, due to his mother showing signs of the mental disturbance for which she was admitted first to St Luke's Hospital for Lunatics in Old Street in 1799 and then Bethlem Hospital in 1800,[8] the young Turner was sent to stay with his maternal uncle, Joseph Mallord William Marshall, in Brentford, then a small town on the banks of the River Thames west of London. ---- Can we please oh please bring back St Luke's Hospital for Lunatics. Needed now more than ever.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 05:14 AM (/CXhS)

32 Oh and here's the link to the Tate's Turner collection. http://www.tate.org.uk/visit/tate-britain/display/turner-collection The sketchbooks are fascinating to see how works were formed. What an age of wonders in which we live. I'll probably never get to the Tate but voila I can see all of that and even look at sketchbooks I would never get a chance to view outside of being an art historian.

Posted by: alexthechick - All The Whatever Hands at May 31, 2016 05:14 AM (mf5HN)

33 27 23 BK is bringing back the Whaler fish sandwich! The Whaler is predominantly featured in the new 'Ghostbusters' movie. Melissa McCarthy is in our commercials using the tag line: 'Ahoy Sailor, got a Whaler?'. Yum..... Fat, breading and grease... The three food groups! Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 10:12 AM (O2RFr) And the nicknames of the actresses in Ghostbusters!

Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2016 05:14 AM (7HtZB)

34 Actually, I really like the painting. The whale dominates as it should but the distant ship seems to be coming out of mist. Very evocative and appealing. It also has the feel of an experiment: leaning to suggestive rather than delineated or realistic.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 05:15 AM (V+03K)

35 I am pretty much limited to trace-my-hand-turkeys at Thanksgiving. There's oodles of gubmint arts' grant money sitting there waiting for someone like you to come scoop it up!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:16 AM (fOgSR)

36 Very ethereal...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:16 AM (O2RFr)

37 Alternate title, Ship And What Would Have Been A Cool Whale Had I Gotten Around to Finishing It.

Posted by: joncelli, Longbow Afficianado and Phalangist at May 31, 2016 05:16 AM (RD7QR)

38 Poland (which is now run by the Right) is trying to put Polanski on a plane back to the US for trial

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 31, 2016 05:16 AM (X+Fef)

39 Unfinished smeary painting is unfinished and smeared. Dull layout, I agree it looks like a study

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 05:16 AM (39g3+)

40 I am pretty much limited to trace-my-hand-turkeys at Thanksgiving. - My young grandkids have moved beyond that. They make trace-my-hand elephants with the thumb as the trunk.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 05:17 AM (Nwg0u)

41 The sea was angry that day my friends...

Posted by: George Costanza at May 31, 2016 05:17 AM (BDZWU)

42 Oh, they'll bring back the hospital's for lunatics alright. They're just going to start housing people from the right there.

Well, if we didn't have all the guns, anyways.

Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 05:17 AM (W2YA6)

43 Can we please oh please bring back St Luke's Hospital for Lunatics.

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Madge at May 31, 2016 05:17 AM (e8U/R)

44 i see the ship......i see what looks like the kkk approaching what i guess is the whale......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 05:17 AM (0O7c5)

45 32 Oh and here's the link to the Tate's Turner collection. Do not confuse this with "Tats" Turner, Nate's inked up half brother.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:18 AM (fOgSR)

46 I think I got Willowed on the last post. Sorry, but Brad Thor is an idiot. The Democrats have balls and unity, and will be happy to impeach Trump if they think they can get away with it. And the feckless, lying shit weasels like Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy, and McCain will be bipartisan enough to go along with it. The entire DC Crowd looks at Trump and says, "Not our sort, Dearie." Hecis just one of the rubes they hit up for bribes/campaign contributions every election cycle. Trump is the Al Czervik of Washington Country Club. He doesn't want to be a member, he just wants to tear it down and build something that works. Posted by: rd at May 31, 2016 10:10 AM (v0YLX)

Posted by: rd at May 31, 2016 05:18 AM (v0YLX)

47 It looks like the artist did a few others like this.

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:18 AM (aQQbl)

48 "Turner" the movie is a must see.

Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2016 05:18 AM (w7KSn)

49 22 I never liked how Turner beat Tina


They never should have named a baseball stadium after him.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 05:19 AM (Nxqko)

50 I am pretty much limited to trace-my-hand-turkeys at Thanksgiving. ---------------- Folk Art, that's 'Folk Art'. Give us a call, we'd like to see it!

Posted by: National Endowment for the Arts at May 31, 2016 05:20 AM (9mTYi)

51 Peace is upside down.

Posted by: Naked Yoko Ono at May 31, 2016 05:20 AM (gwG9s)

52 An hour and eighteen minutes of his works. http://tinyurl.com/hw5h8lv

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 05:20 AM (/CXhS)

53 About the Houston shooter. There seems to be some misinformation afoot. His dad says he served four tours in Afghanastan. Reporters looked at his DD 214, and according to what they reported, he served two tours in Afghanastan. Reporters do not understand what they are reading and that it doesn't fully jibe with what the father is saying. I suspect he didn't serve four tours, but rather he served four years

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:20 AM (zOTsN)

54 never liked how Turner beat Tina Ted tried that on Hanoi Jane once. Once.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:21 AM (fOgSR)

55 Turner is one of those artists whose style was apparently ahead of its time.  He created vibrant colors, and the subject matter was not sufficiently bland or religious for  the  hoity toity  of the time.

And apparently he could not paint the human face to save his life, so he  didn't try. 

I love his work, have a few reproductions at home.   I have not seen any of his work in person.  He's  probably the one artist   for whom that is a personal goal,  to see the real  thing with my own to eyes. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 31, 2016 05:21 AM (TOk1P)

56 30 I forgot Pixie's whimsy. Here's a better link.

http://tinyurl.com/z9c9gfk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 10:14 AM (Nwg0u)


I saw Pixie's Whimsey open for the Electric Flag at the Avalon Ballroom in '68.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 05:21 AM (UHKOQ)

57 I enlarged the painting and You can see more...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:21 AM (O2RFr)

58 I saw Pixie's Whimsey open for the Electric Flag at the Avalon Ballroom in '68. You were there too?

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:22 AM (O2RFr)

59 48 "Turner" the movie is a must see. Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2016 10:18 AM (w7KSn) That's MR. Turner!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 05:22 AM (/CXhS)

60 I empathize with the whale.

Posted by: Zombie Harambe at May 31, 2016 05:22 AM (k4M/B)

61 'Mr. Turner' on youtube http://tinyurl.com/zw3nzhk

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 05:23 AM (/CXhS)

62 I'm in a hospital emergency room with my brother. He's eaten about half a cup of broth in the two days I've been here.

Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 05:23 AM (jLJvD)

63 "Thot's a Big Fish, Mon" by Ishmael Marley and the Whalers

Posted by: dissent555 at May 31, 2016 05:23 AM (VFhMt)

64 32 ... AtC, Thanks for that link to the Tate. Fascinating stuff, especially the sketch books. I foresee several hours being spent on that site. The only annoying part is Turner's rough sketches are better than my so-called finished drawings. SIGH!

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 05:24 AM (V+03K)

65 Those sails need to be trimmed.

Posted by: Ted Turner, Captain Outrageous at May 31, 2016 05:25 AM (9mTYi)

66 Q: Ecuador, Venezuela, Argentina and Bennington College? A: Name four places flushed down the toilet by Socialist know-it-alls

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:25 AM (fOgSR)

67 Where'd everybody go? To Mickey D's for Fillet-o-Fish sammiches?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:28 AM (fOgSR)

68 Looks like an unfinished sketch at best. I gotta agree with the "rejected" side.

Posted by: AD at May 31, 2016 05:28 AM (Q+fXS)

69 Those sails need to be trimmed. Well you're joking but the image looks to me like we're standing on an island with grass in the foreground which means the ship is about to crash at full sail into the island and the whale is confusingly on top of the grass.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 05:29 AM (39g3+)

70 'It was like it came out of Jurassic Park!': Monster alligator stuns golfers by casually strolling across Florida golf course http://goo.gl/Sc6PQ6 ======== He's a big boy!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 05:29 AM (iQIUe)

71
  We capped our Memorial Day commemoration with a marshmallow roast in our backyard, I cranked up the fire pit, got a nice bed of coals established and we (just immediate family of sat around and had fun.

Wouldn't you know, a couple neighborhood kids nosed us out, which in turn brought their parents and we sat and talked about any and everything--no arguments, simply a fun time.

 Nice way to end the day.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 31, 2016 05:29 AM (X35Yt)

72 So fours years in, two deployments

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:29 AM (zOTsN)

73 Krebs - Burlington College? Not that Bennington is going to win any prizes.

Posted by: Ted Turner, Captain Outrageous at May 31, 2016 05:29 AM (9mTYi)

74 Where'd everybody go?
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Weird when it goes all quiet like this, that's when I go looking for a nood.

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:30 AM (aQQbl)

75 Beige. 

Posted by: Kindltot at May 31, 2016 05:30 AM (ry34m)

76 Kurt Schlichter wrote the essay (sidebar) that totally describes my position on this election. In fact, I think he stole it from me. But that's OK, because it'll get lots wider distribution coming from him.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 05:30 AM (/m8T6)

77 the whale is confusingly on top of the grass. Land whale, albeit more svelte and mobile than #trigglypuff

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:30 AM (fOgSR)

78 To Mickey D's for Fillet-o-Fish sammiches? They're two for five bucks! Where are you going? Damn Seinfeld and his 'fear of clowns' crap!

Posted by: Ronald McDonald at May 31, 2016 05:31 AM (39g3+)

79 52 ... Also thanks to RWC for the YouTube link. Wish I could see Turner's works in person. His style really does seem to anticipate coming schools of art. Bet he drove the 'proper' critics nuts.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 05:32 AM (V+03K)

80 The Partridge Family Bus stops outside of the Clinton Compound. Bernie opens the doors and shouts "Hillary is in there! She works for the bankers! For the .001%! She hates all that is holy like wealth distribution! I even here," he lowers his voice, "that she likes men!" The TrigglyPuffs rise, and wobble off the bus, the suspension creaking and groaning as the weight is reduced. Reuben Kincaid watches in horrified fascination as they TrigglyPuffs line up and start their keening shouts, their arm flab wobbling, causing the air to shake. The gate guards fall back in confusion and fear as the sonic keening brings down the gates, and like a herd of elephants off to the salad bar, the TrigglyPuffs charge in. "That's that," Bernie says as he sets the bus in motion. "But what will happen to them?" Reuben asks. "Hillary will destroy them - they don't call her Cankella DeVil for nothing. Don't worry, there are plenty more of those in the asylum." "You got them at a university." "Same thing." Bernie then begins to sing: "California here I come something something something from Open up your Crazy Gates California here I come!"

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 31, 2016 05:34 AM (hLRSq)

81 http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/05/how-bernie-sanders-wife-destroyed-burlington-college/ Happily, their Coat Factories are still on this side of the Red Ink tide...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:34 AM (fOgSR)

82 McDonald's is really struggling to remain relevant. Taco Bell tried all that stupid fresh food crap, but went right back to the well and said You like cheese, fucker? Oh, we got your fuckin' cheese.

I don't know what's with this new CEO, but he's really awful. It's the Microsoft of the FF world.

Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 05:34 AM (W2YA6)

83 So Houston shooter had one enlistment of four years, two deployments to Afghanastan anywhere from 6 months to one year long. He was promoted to Sgt which would be ordinary for infantry. It appears he got out in 2014.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:34 AM (zOTsN)

84 Mark Twain said Turner's work Slave Ship:  "[. . .] reminded him of a tortoise-shell cat having a fit in a platter of tomatoes."


Posted by: Kindltot at May 31, 2016 05:34 AM (ry34m)

85 Ship in a wheatfield? or "my easel needs some blue and green damn it"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 05:35 AM (g8Hfr)

86 Lotta pretty trees went into that boat.

Posted by: Logger Zombie Bob Ross[/i][/b][/s] at May 31, 2016 05:35 AM (DL2i+)

87 >>>>the whale is confusingly on top of the grass.

Land whale, albeit more svelte and mobile than #trigglypuff
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.A distant cousin of mine. 

Posted by: Land Shark at May 31, 2016 05:36 AM (iONHu)

88 Well you're joking but the image looks to me like we're standing on an island with grass in the foreground which means the ship is about to crash at full sail into the island and the whale is confusingly on top of the grass.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 10:29 AM (39g3+)



That was another thing about his stuff.  He painted  from perspectives that confused people.  I suppose if one considered them to be direct representations of the real physical  world, it was hard for  people  to  figure out where he was, where his subject matter was, and how to relate it to their known  concepts of the world.



Or,   one  could  not try to orient  the  subject to the world, and admire the sheer brilliance  of his use of paint to convey  color. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 31, 2016 05:36 AM (TOk1P)

89 He served from 2010 to 2014. Obama has been his only CINC. 2010 was the worst year for casualties in Afghanistan

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:36 AM (zOTsN)

90 The weather started getting rough. The tiny ship was tossed.

Posted by: Sherwood's Schwartz at May 31, 2016 05:37 AM (k4M/B)

91 46 Posted by: rd at May 31, 2016 10:18 AM (v0YLX) Democrats are able to do evil because they unify around "sack of shit x"... Republicans will never get good accomplished because they want 1,000 different goods and the other 999 goods are disqualifying.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 05:37 AM (g8Hfr)

92 52 ... Also thanks to RWC for the YouTube link. Wish I could see Turner's works in person. His style really does seem to anticipate coming schools of art. Bet he drove the 'proper' critics nuts.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 10:32 AM (V+03K)



And apparently he wasn't a very nice person, either.  So... critics  being what they are, ripped the  work when  they  were trying to get at the man. 

Posted by: BurtTC at May 31, 2016 05:38 AM (TOk1P)

93 "my easel needs some blue and green damn it" True Art Fact (TM) - it is this limitation in his palette that makes Turner's works have far fewer hidden snipers than any of his contemporaries.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:38 AM (fOgSR)

94 Weird when it goes all quiet like this, that's when I go looking for a nood. ------------- The gator got 'em.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 05:39 AM (9mTYi)

95 McDonald's is really struggling to remain relevant. I don't know if its me getting older or McDonald's using cheaper ingredients, but the food tastes lousy now. Its gotten worse in the last few years.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2016 05:39 AM (39g3+)

96 I don't know what's with this new CEO, but he's really awful. It's the Microsoft Target of the FF world. FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (DUqif)

97 I hadn't realized how Turner's most creative time mirrored the tremendous increase in British inventiveness, the rise of the Navy against France, the rise of British literature (Brontes, Austen, Dickens, Wollstonecroft Shelley etc). What an incredible 100 years in England.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (/m8T6)

98 93 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 31, 2016 10:38 AM (fOgSR) It has tons more locust though.... Turner is why I can't get art in part... That looks like an Budweiser Ad Exec dropped LSD and came up with a literal "Prairie Schooner"

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (g8Hfr)

99 beck's show on siriusxm has been suspended.....david webb is sitting in for a week.....thor says it's not true......oh my lyin' ears

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (0O7c5)

100 Instead of being willowed on the last thread: Obama and Iraq is just a reiteration of the Dems and Vietnam. As long at there continue to be Democrats the United States will remain a faithless friend and a feckless foe.

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (3Mimg)

101 I visited the Tate in (now) Londonistan in '79 or thereabouts. Turner's works were the big attraction there AFAIWC.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at May 31, 2016 05:40 AM (fOgSR)

102 Turner's works have far fewer hidden snipers
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It only takes one...

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:41 AM (aQQbl)

103 Republicans will never get good accomplished because they want 1,000 different goods and the other 999 goods are disqualifying. Posted by: sven ------------- Conservatives, by their nature, are concerned with what is best for the Republic. Liberals, by their nature, are concerned with politics.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 05:42 AM (9mTYi)

104 He just did not put down the full title of the painting... Its was supposed to be "PTSD Dreams of a Whaler"...

Posted by: Don Quixote at May 31, 2016 05:42 AM (qf6WZ)

105 Call me, Ishmael.

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:42 AM (aQQbl)

106

2010 was the worst year for casualties in Afghanistan

 

 

Funny how we don't hear about "grim milestones" anymore.

 

Would be nice if there were a candidate who slammed the MFM for their  bias.

 

But then, such a candidate would be a vulgar parvenu who wouldn't appeal to the oh-so-important moderates.

 

Ah, well, perhaps the GOP will stroke their chins thoughtfully.  That always puts the fear of God into the press.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2016 05:43 AM (X6fMO)

107 So while the media would love to blame the right for this young man's implosion, Obama owns him. From the combat operations to the PTSD. We will never hear about him again.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:43 AM (zOTsN)

108 The weather started getting rough. The tiny ship was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew.....

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at May 31, 2016 05:43 AM (DUqif)

109 Choot 'em!

Posted by: Troy Landry at May 31, 2016 05:43 AM (gwG9s)

110 Alternate Painting Title: "I Painted This With A Brush Strapped To My Dick, And It's Still Better Than 95% of 'Modern Art'".

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 05:43 AM (CS7jF)

111 99 Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 10:40 AM (0O7c5) Politico is carrying the story as well with a quote from Sirius.... "Grin is on vacacay!" //B Thor

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 05:44 AM (g8Hfr)

112 Isn't that the schooner "HMS Narwhal"?

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 05:44 AM (aQQbl)

113 2/3rds of out total deaths in Afghanistan were under Obama. 2010 was the worst year, just when this guy prolly got there

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:44 AM (zOTsN)

114

I hadn't realized how Turner's most creative time mirrored the tremendous increase in British inventiveness, the rise of the Navy against France, the rise of British literature (Brontes, Austen, Dickens, Wollstonecroft Shelley etc).

 

 

You might like this new book:

 

http://goo.gl/NK3myM

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2016 05:44 AM (X6fMO)

115 Meh.  Never 'got' Turner at all.  I can see where he would be an innovator but -- zip.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2016 05:44 AM (MIKMs)

116 I love Turner. I wish I owned one. I find his paintings mesmerizing

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:45 AM (zOTsN)

117 *squints* Hey, that ship is the 'Essex'. The whale does look a little annoyed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 05:46 AM (9mTYi)

118 We went to the Turner exhibit when it was at Golden Gate Park, then saw the movie the next day. The paintings were amazing to see in person. The scale of them alone was impressive.

Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2016 05:46 AM (w7KSn)

119 58 I saw Pixie's Whimsey open for the Electric Flag at the Avalon Ballroom in '68.
You were there too?
Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 10:22 AM (O2RFr)


Yeah, I think so. Pass the pipe, please.

Kinda hazy, though, y'know?  ( *fffffffffffffffffffttttttt!* )

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh....

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 05:47 AM (UHKOQ)

120 "Be a source of comfort"- a "Holy Land Moments" devotional: http://preview.tinyurl.com/hrtoz5b

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 05:48 AM (rmw+9)

121 I am not excusing this young man, in anyway I was just trying to figure out the strange media silence. I think I cracked the code

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:48 AM (zOTsN)

122 119 58 I saw Pixie's Whimsey open for the Electric Flag at the Avalon Ballroom in '68. You were there too? Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 10:22 AM (O2RFr) Yeah, I think so. Pass the pipe, please. Kinda hazy, though, y'know? ( *fffffffffffffffffffttttttt!* ) Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh,,,, I know... If You're referring to the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco I really was there many times...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:49 AM (O2RFr)

123 WTH? There's a sniper in this picture too!

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 31, 2016 05:49 AM (+aCe4)

124 I really like nautical paintings.

Posted by: steevy at May 31, 2016 05:49 AM (B48dK)

125 "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte, Watching A Clipper Ship Collide With A Sea-Behemoth's Large, Pendulous Black Nipple"

Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2016 05:50 AM (Bdeb0)

126 You might like this new book: http://goo.gl/NK3myM Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2016 10:44 AM (X6fMO) ------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! I might indeed.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 05:50 AM (/m8T6)

127 Looking at all the legal shannigans, they really shd have shot these guys over there. I wonder how much, if any, info they got out of them. https://twitter.com/GitmoWatch

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 05:50 AM (iQIUe)

128 >>Hey, that ship is the 'Essex'. In the Heart of the Sea is a great book. Much easier read than Moby.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 31, 2016 05:51 AM (/tuJf)

129 "Are we wearing ourselves out?"- a "Holy Land Moments" devotional: http://preview.tinyurl.com/hug9hph

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 05:52 AM (rmw+9)

130 I know... If You're referring to the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco I really was there many times...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 10:49 AM (O2RFr)


Yes, that was the one I was referring to. SF Bay Area is where I grew up.

So... you were a hippie chick back in the day? Did you wear flowers in your hair?  

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 05:53 AM (UHKOQ)

131 I'm in a hospital emergency room with my brother. He's eaten about half a cup of broth in the two days I've been here. Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 10:23 AM (jLJvD) So sad to hear that. This is your brother who has cancer, right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 05:53 AM (4k1aC)

132 Yes, that was the one I was referring to. SF Bay Area is where I grew up. So... you were a hippie chick back in the day? Did you wear flowers in your hair? I did.....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:53 AM (O2RFr)

133 Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 10:23 AM (jLJvD) Prayers for your brother.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 05:53 AM (rmw+9)

134 WTH? There's a sniper in this picture too! Right next to the catfish.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 31, 2016 05:54 AM (k4M/B)

135 >>He served from 2010 to 2014. Obama has been his only CINC. 2010 was the worst year for casualties in Afghanistan


Shhhhh! That's inconvenient to the narrative.
Also inconvenient? The possibility that he attempted to get assistance at the VA and was wait-listed or something.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at May 31, 2016 05:54 AM (NOIQH)

136 131 I'm in a hospital emergency room with my brother. He's eaten about half a cup of broth in the two days I've been here. Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 10:23 AM (jLJvD) Didn't mean to ignore You..... Wasn't sure if it was a joke about Hospital Emergency waiting times..... Prayers for Your Brother...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:55 AM (O2RFr)

137 Ok Local media has now corrected reports to read two tours not four They also say he was visiting an army vet friend in Houston. Prepare now for the war on veterans

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:55 AM (zOTsN)

138 Veterans who do not like this president about to get some scrutiny

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 05:55 AM (zOTsN)

139 Where's the kraken?

Posted by: Fritz at May 31, 2016 05:56 AM (UzPAd)

140 Veterans who do not like this president about to get some scrutiny Posted by: ThunderB ------------ So, pretty much all of us them, huh?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 05:57 AM (9mTYi)

141 Veterans who do not like this president about to get some scrutiny Husband went on a Veterans Motorcycle ride Memorial weekend and 99.9% were not exactly fans of obama if You know what I mean...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 05:57 AM (O2RFr)

142 Beck has been suspended from Sirius XM for a week(whopee) for his fantasy, assassinate the candidate indulgence with Brad Thor. Hopefully he is getting some rest somewhere with the nice white coats and medication.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 05:57 AM (uMGjt)

143 Crap, screwed that up.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 05:58 AM (9mTYi)

144 Veterans who do not like this president about to get some scrutiny Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 10:55 AM (zOTsN)
-=====

Didn't the VA declare a few thousand vets 'dead' recently?  Easy-peasy.  A few keystrokes and problems solved.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2016 05:58 AM (MIKMs)

145 142 Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 10:57 AM (uMGjt) Grin Breck needs lithium tic-tacs...

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 05:58 AM (g8Hfr)

146 WTH? There's a sniper in this picture too! Right next to the catfish.---------Bertram Cabot Jr Is that what that is?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at May 31, 2016 05:58 AM (+aCe4)

147 Where's the kraken?
Posted by: Fritz at May 31, 2016 10:56 AM (UzPAd)
__________________________________


I'm sorry, he was released previously, for mostly budgetary reasons.
In Kraken's place you will have 3 medium sized shrimp. You will have to adjust the virgin sacrifice's reaction accordingly.

Posted by: Neptune at May 31, 2016 05:59 AM (aQQbl)

148 I did.....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 10:53 AM (O2RFr)


Very nice. And that makes you older than me, and I'm about to turn 60. I actually was too young in those days to zip up the peninsula to SF for concerts at the Avalon or the Fillmore or the Cow Palace, do you remember some of the bands you saw there?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 05:59 AM (UHKOQ)

149 Hopefully he is getting some rest somewhere with the nice white coats and medication.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 10:57 AM (uMGjt)

i think this is part of his problem

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 05:59 AM (0O7c5)

150 I am sure the administration, especially the VA is busy wiping away any record of this guy. With a cloth

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:00 AM (zOTsN)

151 northern lurker


Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:01 AM (0O7c5)

152 Very nice. And that makes you older than me, and I'm about to turn 60. I actually was too young in those days to zip up the peninsula to SF for concerts at the Avalon or the Fillmore or the Cow Palace, do you remember some of the bands you saw there? Yes... Janis Joplin, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company,Country joe and the Fish....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:01 AM (O2RFr)

153 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won?

Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 06:01 AM (W2YA6)

154 Hopefully he is getting some rest somewhere with the nice white coats and medication. Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 10:57 AM (uMGjt) Quite frankly if this is his behavior as a recovering drunk i almost hope he goes back to a drinker.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 31, 2016 06:01 AM (voOPb)

155 Normally a crime like this would be leading all of the news, but it doesn't reflect well on dear leader

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:02 AM (zOTsN)

156 Grin Breck needs lithium tic-tacs...

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 10:58 AM (g8Hfr)


Maybe so, but the guy who's really lost his shit is Brad Thor. I read that exchange with Beck over at Breitbart and holy crap, I have never seen a worse case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 06:02 AM (UHKOQ)

157 Bitch McConnell seems to have kept his eyes and ears firmly closed these last seven and a half years. https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/737612921539166208

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:04 AM (/m8T6)

158 >>Yes... Janis Joplin, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company,Country joe and the Fish.... Lucky you.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 31, 2016 06:04 AM (/tuJf)

159 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6)
=======

No.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2016 06:04 AM (MIKMs)

160 Yes... Janis Joplin, The Doors, Big Brother and the Holding Company,Country joe and the Fish....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (O2RFr)


Oh my. All those classic bands. Do you still live in that part of the world or do you prefer to not say?

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 06:05 AM (UHKOQ)

161 do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won?
Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6)
______________________________________


I don't. Mainly because I can't see any agency as bent on self preservation and keeping the status quo as the VA is, reforming itself simply due to a change in the CiC. It's rotten, through and through, and will continue to be well past my lifetime.

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 06:05 AM (aQQbl)

162 153 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6) Yes.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 31, 2016 06:05 AM (voOPb)

163 Oh my. All those classic bands. Do you still live in that part of the world or do you prefer to not say? Yes.... I've said here before I live in NorCal...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:05 AM (O2RFr)

164 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6) --------------------- Either No, or I don't know -- both of which are damning.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:05 AM (pC96u)

165 Some one needs to fire the lifers hiding at the VA

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:06 AM (zOTsN)

166 I don't know what's with this new CEO, but he's really awful. It's the Microsoft of the FF world. Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 10:34 AM (W2YA6) Went to a McDonalds in Ogden, UT, a few months ago. It was one of those goofy "McCafe" deals. All touch screens and video menus and shit. I'm standing there, puzzled, and a staffer asks if she can help me. "I'm looking for a cup of coffee and a breakfast sammich, but damn if I can see either here. You have gotten too far away from your roots." Her, with a sigh, "I hear that all the time." I walked out, and went to Flying J.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:06 AM (4k1aC)

167 156 Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 10:57 AM (uMGjt) Someone was defending the exchange here. Look this idiocy is one of the few times Alex the Chick and I have been DEAD on in agreeing "wow." Some folks need to get their egos a 14 point safety inspection WRT Trump Derangement Syndrome.... Beck and Thor need a 24 point one.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 06:06 AM (g8Hfr)

168 McCain would have just thrown money at it People need to be fired, a real reform, top to bottom

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:07 AM (zOTsN)

169 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra My guess is NO. The bureaucracy is the bureaucracy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 31, 2016 06:07 AM (k4M/B)

170 Trump live on Fox right now, looking and sounding surprisingly good. But hey! Was the last two minutes of last night's Penguins game a hoot?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at May 31, 2016 06:07 AM (5zFL/)

171 People need to be fired, a real reform, top to bottom Start over from scratch...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:07 AM (O2RFr)

172 All of us down at the Brattleboro women's and Gay and Lesbian Reproductivw Health Clinuinc were so proud of our presdent of color this weekend during all the ceremonies to honor fall soldiers of color. Bush never would have done this and probably would blame all the problems on Presdent Obama if he were still Presdent. Thank You Sir and we love yopu !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattkeboro, Vt at May 31, 2016 06:09 AM (NuElX)

173 153 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6) ____ Govt run health care sucks, regardless of who is running it.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 31, 2016 06:09 AM (0LHZx)

174 164
Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM (W2YA6)
---------------------

Either No, or I don't know -- both of which are damning.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 11:05 AM (pC96u)


no.  the whistleblower.....a top doc at the phx va went to mccain EARLY....told him of the issues....mccain BLEW HIM OFF....for 2yrs.....it wasn't until the dr went to the press.....mccain got involved.....he is a fraud......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:10 AM (0O7c5)

175 Any bets on when Katie Couric joins Brian WIlliams as co-anchor at MSDNC? They're kind of on the same career track at this point.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:10 AM (/m8T6)

176 114 ... That book looks interesting. And (gasp) our local library is getting it in. More summer reading. In a similar vein, 'The Victorian Internet' covers the establishment and huge influence of the telegraph in roughly the same period. I wonder if that sense of innovation and interest in exploring the unknown led to the wonderful writing of Jules Verne and H. Rider Haggard.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 06:11 AM (V+03K)

177 I didn't say it (V.A. healthcare) would be a lot better with McCain as CiC. But, I think it would have been better than what we have seen the past 7 years with this Armed Forces hater as president.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 31, 2016 06:11 AM (voOPb)

178 Call me, Ishmael. Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 10:42 AM (aQQbl) THEN PHONE WAS WHALE?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Oblig. at May 31, 2016 06:11 AM (CS7jF)

179 No shit, Sven. People talked that same crap about Obama and that got rightfully stomped quick. Now it's Trump so that makes it right? No, and fuck anyone who does that.

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 31, 2016 06:12 AM (LorSp)

180 I've always thought McCain is a stinky piece of shit who never found a bureaucracy he didn't love.

So, more money, and no better.

Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 06:12 AM (W2YA6)

181 Anyone have any laudanum? I seem to have misplaced my bottle. BTW, freakin' picture, dude.

Posted by: zombie samuel taylor coleridge at May 31, 2016 06:13 AM (PLnZs)

182 Form Drudge: Tech giants vow to defeat internet hate speech within twenty-four hours.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:13 AM (Nwg0u)

183 People need to be fired, a real reform, top to bottom Start over from scratch... Posted by: donna ------------- Maybe. But here's the thing, our local VA hospital gets nothing but praise from Vets. I should know, because I spend a lot of time with them. I don't know to what extent the problems are local. While it's true that a fish rots from the head, that does not mean that there are not good Vet facilities out there.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 06:14 AM (9mTYi)

184 Sad news, Berners. Moonbeam shines on Hilldog.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:15 AM (Nwg0u)

185 I cannot define hate speech but I know it when I read it.

Posted by: Giant tech midgets at May 31, 2016 06:15 AM (k4M/B)

186 trump just announced where all the money went that he raised for veteran's groups

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:16 AM (0O7c5)

187 I, for one, prefer my country not to be sucked into a second civil war because some former president's angry wife is playing out a freakish psychodrama revenge fantasy against all the guys who have rejected her, from her father to Bill to those of us male-identifying men who laugh at her cankles. Advantage Trump.



I love sidebar poetry.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:16 AM (Nxqko)

188 Obama admin got smacked down by SCOTUS in Army Corp Vs. Hawkes. where EPA and Army Corp said the developers had a wetlands on their land but wouldnt let them appeal because decision wasn't 'final' SCOTUS said BS

Posted by: McCool at May 31, 2016 06:17 AM (TQxRy)

189 So Moonbeam finally gets enough to endorse Hillary. The bidding was intense obviously, since it went down to the final hours. The people of California can rest easier, now that Hillary has presumably promised something huge. Pension backstop? Electricity supplies? Water aid? Who knows, but it'll definitely be big.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:18 AM (/m8T6)

190 Just read a headline:"Can Trump keep CIA briefings secret?" WTF? I mean You've got Hillary out there with Her E-mails of classified info out there for any one to see and they're worried about Trump?

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:18 AM (O2RFr)

191 mccain got involved.....he is a fraud......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 11:10 AM (0O7c5)



Let's build the danged fence!

Posted by: Cowboy McCain at May 31, 2016 06:18 AM (JO9+V)

192 What exactly is considered hate speech?

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:18 AM (Fmupd)

193 I cannot define hate speech but I know it when I read it. Posted by: Giant tech midgets ----------------- Screw you, pygmies. (this message has been a test. if this was actual hate speech, obscene shouting would have been involved)

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 06:19 AM (9mTYi)

194 190 Just read a headline:"Can Trump keep CIA briefings secret?" WTF? I mean You've got Hillary (DEMOCRAT) out there with Her E-mails of classified info out there for any one to see and they're worried about Trump? Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 11:18 AM (O2RFr) ---------------------------------------------------- Helped you out there, Donna

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:20 AM (/m8T6)

195 179 Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at May 31, 2016 11:12 AM (LorSp) The best is all the angst the Never Trumpers fret over the "future of conservatism after Trump" well fellas if Breck and Sore are the standard bearers of sane conservatism "damage done already" not in 20 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 06:20 AM (g8Hfr)

196 What exactly is considered hate speech? Anything critical of obama, Hillary! and any other lib agenda.....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:20 AM (O2RFr)

197 (this message has been a test. if this was actual hate speech, obscene shouting would have been involved)



and CAPS, just for effect.. ya gotta have it in all ALL CAPS!

Posted by: IP at May 31, 2016 06:21 AM (aQQbl)

198 That bastard, phoenixgirl! Making the media wait until Tuesday instead of doing it on the weekend as he PROMISED!!!

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at May 31, 2016 06:21 AM (PLnZs)

199 Twitter has changed dramatically. Could not get real time info on the Houston shooter that day at all. Only MFM sources, minimal info, and old. Nothing from individuals

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:21 AM (zOTsN)

200 192 What exactly is considered hate speech? Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 11:18 AM (Fmupd) -------------------------------------------------- As I said earlier when we were discussing this story, it's obviously any anti-government speech. This is censorship of American public speech, pure and simple.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:21 AM (/m8T6)

201 Sort of killing crowd sourced reporting

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:22 AM (zOTsN)

202 As I said on the dump:

Beck posits himself as a representative of conservatism while meeting with Zuckerberg.

Beck then melts down on the radio making what could be construed as veiled threats.

Zuckerberg and his billionaire commie comrades commence plan to shut down free speech on the Internet from the safety of their dachas.

Nice job , Beck.



Do us all a favor and quit saving America , already.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:22 AM (Nxqko)

203 Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 11:06 AM (g8Hfr) On that TDS... I think there is a tendency for some people to get in their heads the idea that they and only they can Save the Republic if they can only tear the blinders off enough people so that they see the hideous evil of (fill in the blank). Now why they feel this way or how they get this idea that they shall be the Savior of the Republic is beyond me, but I see it in commenters as well as seeing it in people like Beck or Kristol. The self-importance on display is ridiculous as much as it is unsettling to watch.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 31, 2016 06:22 AM (hLRSq)

204 THEN PHONE WAS WHALE?!?!?!?!?! - The call is coming from inside the whale! - Jonah

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:22 AM (Nwg0u)

205 Hey, I just got a phone call from the Donald! Yes, it was a campaign fundraiser call..... His calls are funny though. There is no warning when you answer, say hello, and Trump tells you he is going to do everything through the clear lens of Americas best interest.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 06:22 AM (uMGjt)

206 Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 11:21 AM (zOTsN) Realtime news was a main point for Twitter. Does this change indicate a change in how it was used or censoring?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:23 AM (GDulk)

207 Like elephants, whales are a very close knit family pod and have demonstrated pain and loss when one of theirs is killed. I wish that this was stopped completely.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:23 AM (oiNtH)

208 no. the whistleblower.....a top doc at the phx va went to mccain EARLY....told him of the issues....mccain BLEW HIM OFF....for 2yrs.....it wasn't until the dr went to the press.....mccain got involved.....he is a fraud...... Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 11:10 AM (0O7c5) -------------------- Awful.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:23 AM (pC96u)

209 I saw a "study" published in the NY Times this weekend concluding that "fear of death" makes people vote for Trump. Seriously...

http://tinyurl.com/juaqfzd

(Link goes to another site, not the NY Times).

Posted by: Pyrocles at May 31, 2016 06:23 AM (fVOPU)

210 Let's build the danged fence!

Posted by: Cowboy McCain at May 31, 2016 11:18 AM (JO9+V)


if we build the fence my friends lettuce will cost $20 a head!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:23 AM (0O7c5)

211 207 Like elephants, whales are a very close knit family pod and have demonstrated pain and loss when one of theirs is killed. I wish that this was stopped completely. I agree...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:24 AM (O2RFr)

212 Fine. I hate lettuce.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:24 AM (Nxqko)

213 Beck went off the deep end 3-4 years ago with his messiah complex. That's when I stopped listening.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (Fmupd)

214 The MFM convincing rubes (and I was one, but not registered for primary) that McCain was the only chance for the GOP after the years of BDS. I was a late bloomer and didn't realize how corrupt the media was until 08. I knew they spun for Dems but not till 08/09 did I realize how unified they were and all the suppression of inconvenient facts they manage.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (wYRTH)

215 Like elephants, whales are a very close knit family pod and have demonstrated pain and loss when one of theirs is killed. I wish that this was stopped completely. Posted by: Cheri ------ Well, I mentioned 'The Essex' earlier. It seems that at least one whale was pissed off, and not going to take it any more.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (eeTCA)

216 good late morning, PG. 

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (Nxqko)

217 192 What exactly is considered hate speech?

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 11:18 AM (Fmupd)


We'll let you know when we see it. You can trust us it will be fair and objective.  Pinky swears.

Posted by: your betters in the MSM at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (UHKOQ)

218 Well, if it's all going to over in 24 hours, I guess I'd better get my bad language out of my system now. POOP!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (Nwg0u)

219 203 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 31, 2016 11:22 AM (hLRSq) This mania was oddly absent WRT a guy who cries "pen and a phone" when he doesn't get his way... I am >-< that close to jettisoning politics forever.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 06:25 AM (g8Hfr)

220 As I said earlier when we were discussing this story, it's obviously any anti-government speech. This is censorship of American public speech, pure and simple. Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity “I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.” ― Hillary Rodham Clinton 2003

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 31, 2016 06:26 AM (k4M/B)

221 Polliwog Yes. That shootout was maybe 15 minutes from me, couldn't get any infor that wasn't through our local media No one in the neighborhood, nothing. It was weird. This was a residential neighborhood, dozens and dozens of homes in lockdown, and zero tweets Twitter is definitely letting somebody filter their feed

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:26 AM (zOTsN)

222 our local VA hospital gets nothing but praise from Vets. I should know, because I spend a lot of time with them. I don't know to what extent the problems are local. While it's true that a fish rots from the head, that does not mean that there are not good Vet facilities out there. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 11:14 AM (9mTYi) ---------------------- Sounds like you got lucky because you have quality locals. Their work would be just as good if the whole system were torn down and replaced with vouchers, with assets such as your local VA being sold so the facility and workers can remain but under different ownership.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:27 AM (pC96u)

223 I work for the VA and McCain's involvement only happened after it went national. He knew for a long time and didn't give a rat's ass until it went public in his backyard. F him and the VA hierarchy.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:27 AM (oiNtH)

224 >>Like elephants, whales are a very close knit family pod and have demonstrated pain and loss when one of theirs is killed. I wish that this was stopped completely. We see whales up close when we go fishing in the Gulf Stream. Like dolphins, they are very curious and will come right up to the boat and look at you. When you look in their eyes you can tell they are intelligent animals.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 31, 2016 06:27 AM (/tuJf)

225 Beck went off the deep end 3-4 years ago with his messiah complex. That's when I stopped listening. Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 11:25 AM (Fmupd) I have to wonder if this was the real reason he left Fox completely. I understand he wanted to have his own show, channel, etc. but considering that he has not appeared on any of the Fox shows, etc. I am thinking that the heads at Fox recognized they had a problem brewing with him and really eased his way out. It's odd to not have a former show host and frequent guest on other shows not darken their threshold for the past few years.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 06:28 AM (uMGjt)

226 216 good late morning, PG.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 11:25 AM (Nxqko)

good morning mortimer!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:28 AM (0O7c5)

227 Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 11:26 AM (zOTsN) Realtime filtering is pretty scary, all things considered.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:28 AM (GDulk)

228 Fine. I hate lettuce. Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 11:24 AM (Nxqko) Me too. I suppose you can use dandelion greens in a salad. If so, I have enough for twenty lifetimes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:28 AM (4k1aC)

229 Houston shooter didn't trend, no hashtags. No tweets from non media sources. I think after the jihadis in San Bernardino Twitter has some sort of agreement with the fed

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:29 AM (zOTsN)

230 Greetings: Nantucket Sleighride, anyone ??? Whaleburgers aat noon !!!

Posted by: 11B40 at May 31, 2016 06:29 AM (evgyj)

231 I thought Caleb Howe's column that not only trump must be destroyed but all of his supporters must be, too, more than a little over the top.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 06:29 AM (iQIUe)

232 Hello again horde. Prayers are appreciated. Yes it is the brother with lung cancer. Has anybody else ever experience the shock of discovering somebody you love has suddenly become elderly and frail? That's happened with both my brother and his wife. Complicating the situation is an imbecilic son in law.

Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 06:30 AM (jLJvD)

233 but considering that he has not appeared on any of the Fox shows, etc. Beck was on with Billy O a week or so ago talking about his meeting with Zuckerdude.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 31, 2016 06:30 AM (k4M/B)

234 Where's the kraken? Posted by: Fritz at May 31, 2016 10:56 AM (UzPAd) Wearing a whale suit. Duh!

Posted by: Oblig. at May 31, 2016 06:31 AM (CS7jF)

235 There are many who propose that all vets get vouchers for their care in the private sector. The problem with this is that the private sector can not absorb the amount of vets that need care and it would overwhelm the entire system. Our VA gives excellent care to our vets - I'm sorry that this is not always the case. We do send our vets to the private sector when they need care that we cannot give but as with every government agency - it is far from perfect. Trust me - the majority of people that work at the facility level love our veterans. I cannot vouch for leadership.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:31 AM (oiNtH)

236 Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 11:29 AM (zOTsN) Probably a reasonable supposition. Fed has to be uncomfortable with the questions about the extra couple of shooters mentioned in SB tweets.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:31 AM (GDulk)

237 It takes a lot of complaining to get isis twitter accounts removed. Maybe, I should report not only are they isis but they have a trump2016 icon?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 06:32 AM (iQIUe)

238 There are many who propose that all vets get vouchers for their care in the private sector. The problem with this is that the private sector can not absorb the amount of vets that need care and it would overwhelm the entire system. Our VA gives excellent care to our vets - I'm sorry that this is not always the case. We do send our vets to the private sector when they need care that we cannot give but as with every government agency - it is far from perfect. Trust me - the majority of people that work at the facility level love our veterans. I cannot vouch for leadership. ------------- So are you admitting the free market does not work?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:33 AM (gmeXX)

239 I have to wonder if this was the real reason he left Fox completely. I understand he wanted to have his own show, channel, etc. but considering that he has not appeared on any of the Fox shows, etc. I am thinking that the heads at Fox recognized they had a problem brewing with him and really eased his way out. It's odd to not have a former show host and frequent guest on other shows not darken their threshold for the past few years. Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 11:28 AM (uMGjt) --------------- He's been on Fox several times. He was on BOR's show just recently.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:33 AM (Fmupd)

240 I have zero doubt that Twitter is letting the fed alter the feed during news events Wonder if they will do that for a republican administration

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (zOTsN)

241 Northern Lurker: May the peace of the Lord envelope you, your brother and your family. If it is God's will that your brother be healed, then I ask the Lord to grant this request made in the name of his precious Son, Jesus Christ, and by the blood of Christ's sacrifice on the cross for us. If it is God's will that your brother be taken, then let his passing be serene and that he be surrounded by family and friends, with Jesus' loving arms embracing his soul at the last, and for eternity. Pax vobiscum.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (CS7jF)

242 if we build the fence my friends lettuce will cost $20 a head!!!!!

No but our Terminator schedule will be improved.

Posted by: Robot lettuce picker at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (LncQn)

243 Maybe it's time to start an alternative to Twitter. Call it "Rootsnews" or suchlike.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (4k1aC)

244 There are many who propose that all vets get vouchers for their care in the private sector. The problem with this is that the private sector can not absorb the amount of vets that need care and it would overwhelm the entire system.[/I That's just nuts. The private economy would absorb new customers eagerly. That's what businesses do.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (/m8T6)

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:34 AM (/m8T6)

246 So are you admitting the free market does not work?


*shrug*

The free market did not order them into battle.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:35 AM (Nxqko)

247 Oops- too upset to see progressive craziness on the blog. I will report to the barrel.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 06:35 AM (/m8T6)

248 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 11:29 AM (iQIUe) And not just supporters but those who don't loathe him sufficiently, based on exchanges I had with a couple biggish name #NeverTrumpers before leaving Twitter. I get enough of that from the left thank-you-very-much and by now the Horde knows my response to demands for "Rites of Renunciation" from *anybody*.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:35 AM (GDulk)

249 There are many who propose that all vets get vouchers for their care in the private sector. The problem with this is that the private sector can not absorb the amount of vets that need care and it would overwhelm the entire system. ---------------------- You mean a sale of the VA's assets will result in liquidation, not transfer of ownership?

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:35 AM (pC96u)

250 So are you admitting the free market does not work? *shrug* The free market did not order them into battle. ------------ What does that have to do with it?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:35 AM (gmeXX)

251 He's been on Fox several times. He was on BOR's show just recently. Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 11:33 AM (Fmupd) O'Reilly will be releasing a new book - "Killing Trump Killed Glenn Beck"

Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2016 06:36 AM (7HtZB)

252 Beck was on with Billy O a week or so ago talking about his meeting with Zuckerdude. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 31, 2016 11:30 AM (k4M/B) Thanks, I didn't know that. I go out of my way to not watch O'Reilly, so I missed it.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 06:36 AM (uMGjt)

253 Friend in college, claimed a quarter in his marine biology program was to listen to whale-song on sophisticated sound-boards from different locations globally to see if there were "dialects" unique to aquatic regions--pitch, length, etc. I asked him if they'd found any differences; he said not really. Then asked him what he thought they were "saying."

Him, after a couple seconds: "Fooooooools. FOOOOLS!"

Always break up watching Discovery Channel whenever they show whale shows.

Posted by: General Zod at May 31, 2016 06:36 AM (Bdeb0)

254 Non-snark question: Except for a few Eskimos and their food supply, is there ANY reason to hunt whales? I'm no PETA asshole but I couldn't think of any whale product that hasn't been replaced by more effective and cheaper alternatives.

Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 06:36 AM (V+03K)

255 Hillary Rodham Clinton 2003 All Hillary! pronouncements and position statements come with an expiration date. As in marriage is between one man and one woman

Posted by: McCool at May 31, 2016 06:36 AM (TQxRy)

256 Asians love whale meat and oil. Think Japan

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:37 AM (zOTsN)

257 All Hillary! pronouncements and position statements come with an expiration date. No, no You got that wrong.... She "evolved"....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (O2RFr)

258 SH - No, that is not what I meant. The free market does work but to suddenly dump over 1 million veterans into the system would overwhelm it. Not to mention, veterans need specialized care that the general public doesn't need such as combat PTSD and related mental and physical illness. A vet that has lost his or her limbs and has extreme trauma needs to be around fellow vets that know their experience and can relate in a way that others can not no matter how "educated" they are.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (oiNtH)

259
What does that have to do with it? Posted by: SH


Everything. Nothing.

Do you really need an answer?



Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (Nxqko)

260 Outsiders will be looking to the $150 million-budget Ghostbusters (July 15) to see if Sony - and marketing/distribution chief Josh Greenstein, who'll have a challenge getting men to see the female-fronted reboot - has its act together enough to knock the picture out of the park. "Not only does Sony need Ghostbusters to be an otherworldly hit, they need the property to spawn a trilogy, if not become a full-on phenomenon," says Bock. "Otherwise, it's back to square one."

No, say it ain't so. A Ghostbuster *trilogy* with a cast of flannel-shirt lesbians?  For all that is good and decent in this world, I hope this pic flops miserably. I hope it's a 'Heaven's Gate' level flop. I hope it flops so bad that nobody who wrote, directed, acted, or worked on the sets will ever be able to find work in Hollywood again. I hope this film becomes a synonym for absolute horror, the mere mention of which would make grown men cry and send little children running screaming for their mother's skirts.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (UHKOQ)

261 246 So are you admitting the free market does not work? *shrug* The free market did not order them into battle. Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 11:35 AM (Nxqko) ----------------- Sorry. Your statement doesn't hold up. Think about what you're saying here.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (Fmupd)

262 Non-snark question: Except for a few Eskimos and their food supply, is there ANY reason to hunt whales? I'm no PETA asshole but I couldn't think of any whale product that hasn't been replaced by more effective and cheaper alternatives. Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 11:36 AM (V+03K) Well, you have to let them know who's boss.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (4k1aC)

263 I thought Caleb Howe's column that not only trump must be destroyed but all of his supporters must be, too, more than a little over the top.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 11:29 AM (iQIUe)

bizarre.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:38 AM (0O7c5)

264 Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 11:34 AM (CS7jF) Very nice prayer, Sharkman.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 06:39 AM (rmw+9)

265 What does that have to do with it? Posted by: SH Everything. Nothing. Do you really need an answer? ------------ Yes, what does the fact that the free market didn't order them into battle have with respect to the argument that the free market may be the best way to care for veterans?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:39 AM (gmeXX)

266 This mania was oddly absent WRT a guy who cries "pen and a phone" when he doesn't get his way... I am >-< that close to jettisoning politics forever. Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 11:25 AM (g8Hfr) sven - my guess with the professionals like Kristol or Beck is that Obama did not threaten anything valuable of theirs, while Trump does. And that thing of value would be their influence and their audiences. If he wins they are seen as irrelevant to the discussion. For the regular Joe and Jane Commenter, the reasons will vary from person to person, with but one common thread of a deep emotional investment of some sort.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 31, 2016 06:39 AM (hLRSq)

267 My brother who is 100% disabled receives excellent care at the VA in Seattle. They specialize in spinal cord injury. It's not the care givers. It's the administrators, the paper pushers

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:39 AM (zOTsN)

268 Thanks, I didn't know that. I go out of my way to not watch O'Reilly, so I missed it.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 11:36 AM (uMGjt)

beck blamed "us" that social media is leftist because "we" don't us it.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:40 AM (0O7c5)

269 Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity Sorry but I disagree after 18 years in healthcare. Eleven years spent in the private sector and the last 7 with the VA. For every patient, there is a need for 10 staff members. Private sector hospitals have a severe nursing shortage as it is. No need to call met nuts....jeez.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:41 AM (oiNtH)

270 257 Asians love whale meat and oil. Think Japan

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 11:37 AM (zOTsN)


Yeah, I think Japan is the only country that does commercial whaling these days.

Posted by: your betters in the MSM at May 31, 2016 06:41 AM (UHKOQ)

271 My brother who is 100% disabled receives excellent care at the VA in Seattle. They specialize in spinal cord injury. It's not the care givers. It's the administrators, the paper pushers ----------- Obviously, some VA centers are better than others, and I suspect most employees are very caring individuals. But the same could be said of a lot of schools. The problem with any beuracracy is that the administrators take over.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:41 AM (gmeXX)

272 It's not the care givers. It's the administrators, the paper pushers Posted by: ThunderB Thank you. Exactly.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (oiNtH)

273 Sorry. Your statement doesn't hold up. Think about what you're saying here. Posted by: Soona


Wrong.


Only college freshman libertarians believe that the US Court system could be improve by being run as a for-profit entity.

There are a few things that government is mandated to provide. Care for veterans is one of them. Whether that care is contracted through private sector entities is not the point.

The point is who is responsible.


Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (Nxqko)

274 My Husband likes the care He gets from the local VA... I guess it depends where You are...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (O2RFr)

275 to suddenly dump over 1 million veterans into the system would overwhelm it. Not to mention, veterans need specialized care that the general public doesn't need such as combat PTSD and related mental and physical illness. A vet that has lost his or her limbs and has extreme trauma needs to be around fellow vets that know their experience and can relate in a way that others can not no matter how "educated" they are. Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 11:38 AM (oiNtH) ----------------------- If the VA system goes to vouchers, that expertise doesn't vanish. It's simply paid for by vouchers instead of direct cash infusions from the government.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (pC96u)

276 About the Houston shooter, I haven't seen this mentioned. Initial reports described the shooter as shirtless with tattoos. I remember some years ago reports of gangs encouraging members with clean records to enlist in the armed forces to learn tactics and techniques that could be used after the member separates. Wonder what those tats may have been?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (4DCSq)

277 The most severely wounded warriors, the ones with TBI, do not always get care through the VA. The VA has its own "Liverpool pathway", ignore until they die.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (zOTsN)

278 Alan Grayson marries mentally ill hot woman. The article doesn't actually say she's mentally ill but she married Alan Grayson so . . . . http://tinyurl.com/jt3we7r

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (Nwg0u)

279 Posted by: JTB at May 31, 2016 11:36 AM (V+03K) Not for the US, but the Japanese *do* eat whale meat and my understanding is that they are responsible for most of the hunting. Like being at the aquarium and the mostly-white tour group is told how shark hunting is destroying the population. Turns out, the hunting is for shark fin soup. None of us in the group had ever had shark fin soup. Perhaps they should talk to the 1,000,000,000 people who *do* culturally eat shark fin soup instead of trying to guilt just over 300,000,000 who don't.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:42 AM (GDulk)

280 This guys tats are large and like those fake Polynesian tats Gang tats look much much different

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:43 AM (zOTsN)

281 Yes, what does the fact that the free market didn't order them into battle have with respect to the argument that the free market may be the best way to care for veterans? Posted by: SH You have asked and it has been answered.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:43 AM (oiNtH)

282 Anybody have a link to factual reporting about the Houston shooter? Seems to me that if he is white and former military, the MFM won't give two shits that he has PTSD and they'll try to pin the shooting on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Republicans, KKK, whatever, as they always do in every case. Shit, with the Ft. Hood massacre, they've failed to report the truth since the bodies were still cooling. I expect the same to occur here.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 06:43 AM (CS7jF)

283 Posted by: Northernlurker, muzungo at May 31, 2016 11:30 AM (jLJvD) Yes; Finding someone you love has become elderly and frail is very hard. Sometimes it seems to happen very fast, and particularly so if you haven't seen them for a while. Sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 06:44 AM (rmw+9)

284 There are a few things that government is mandated to provide. Care for veterans is one of them. Whether that care is contracted through private sector entities is not the point. The point is who is responsible. ------------- I didn't think that was what was being questioned.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:44 AM (gmeXX)

285 My Husband likes the care He gets from the local VA... I guess it depends where You are... Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 11:42 AM (O2RFr) ------------------- My father hated it. He passed on thousands of dollars' worth of VA care and used his private insurance to avoid the mess at his VA. Yes, it depends on where you are, and it shouldn't be that way. But again, if you have great local care, those locals will be part of a private system where they continue to provide quality care.

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:44 AM (pC96u)

286 >>Sorry but I disagree after 18 years in healthcare. Eleven years spent in the private sector and the last 7 with the VA. For every patient, there is a need for 10 staff members. Private sector hospitals have a severe nursing shortage as it is. No need to call met nuts....jeez. My dad got great care from the nurses at the VA, the doctors are a different story, but the administrators were awful. Every damn time we took him back it was the same fight through the paperwork and red tape. I'd like to see a hybrid, a VA type operation but outsourced to the private sector. I agree that it is preferable for many vets to have an organization that can handle their often unique needs but the current structure is unworkable.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 31, 2016 06:44 AM (/tuJf)

287 Greetings, Bertram Cabot Jr.: ( @ #250 May 31, 2016 11:35 AM (k4M/B) ) There are also 15-minute and 30 minute versions available, the former with the original 4 band members and the latter with Leslie West, Felix Pappalardi and two fill-ins.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 31, 2016 06:44 AM (evgyj)

288 Yes, what does the fact that the free market didn't order them into battle have with respect to the argument that the free market may be the best way to care for veterans? Posted by: SH You have asked and it has been answered. ----------- I simply disagree with you. If we are going to care for veterans, I would think the best way to actually care for them is to allow them to go get the care from whatever source they want to get that care.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:45 AM (gmeXX)

289 274 Sorry. Your statement doesn't hold up. Think about what you're saying here. Posted by: Soona Wrong. Only college freshman libertarians believe that the US Court system could be improve by being run as a for-profit entity. There are a few things that government is mandated to provide. Care for veterans is one of them. Whether that care is contracted through private sector entities is not the point. The point is who is responsible. Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 11:42 AM (Nxqko) ------------- WTF? Who was discussing the court system? I sure as hell wasn't.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:45 AM (Fmupd)

290 Medical care for veterans is a promise made by the government to entice volunteers to join the military. Medical care for returned veterans that meets their needs = promise kept. Medical care for returned veterans that does not meet their needs = promise broken. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:45 AM (4k1aC)

291 Anybody have a link to factual reporting about the Houston shooter? Haven't read anything about a shooter. Who did He shoot?

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:46 AM (O2RFr)

292 It's not the care givers. It's the administrators, the paper pushers


My own impression from Illinois is that the decline of various clubs -- Legion, VFW, Optimists, Moose, Elks, etc. have also contributed to the loss of citizen oversight.  The volunteers would go monthly and talk to the vets and their caregivers and make sure if there was a simple need, books, pajamas, letters, they would arrange to get those items to them directly.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2016 06:46 AM (MIKMs)

293 Thor is a psych op agent. Look at the places he's lived. Utah especially. There might be a camp there that Romney, Beck and Thor all attended. Or a radical church. Before that Chicago. That is where Obama got his training. Obama and Thor might have been roommates. Of course I mean the god-of-thunder, gods like to hang out together. Thor is as suspicious as Princess Diana's 00 agent bodyguard that mysteriously survived her crash and showed up someplace else where people died. Could be using the same ghost writer as Battlefield Earth. Anyone who thinks L Ron wrote Battlefield Earth hasn't read any of L Ron's earlier fictional works. Especially Dianetics. That has Princess Diana in its name. Must have been a prophecy. Maybe a merger between Scientology and some slightly less radical church.

Posted by: main stream media at May 31, 2016 06:46 AM (jN+3o)

294 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Salutes Those Who Died to Protect Our Right to Gripe at May 31, 2016 11:39 AM (hLRSq) I think it is difficult for real world working types to realize what a sweet gig a conservative think tank job is and how the current feted members of the "conservative" accusatory class have convinced themselves that they are indispensable to the nation and will fight to the point of absurdity to preserve, not the nation, but their perks, positions, and power!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at May 31, 2016 06:46 AM (wYnyS)

295 And not just supporters but those who don't loathe him sufficiently, based on exchanges I had with a couple biggish name #NeverTrumpers before leaving Twitter. I get enough of that from the left thank-you-very-much and by now the Horde knows my response to demands for "Rites of Renunciation" from *anybody*. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 11:35 AM (GDulk) ============ Yep. I got a lot of hate directed at me for not jumping on the hate trump bandwagon and from people who should know better.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at May 31, 2016 06:47 AM (iQIUe)

296 I'd like to see a hybrid, a VA type operation but outsourced to the private sector. I agree that it is preferable for many vets to have an organization that can handle their often unique needs but the current structure is unworkable.

>>>>>>>


I agree with all of this.

SH, Soona what I was trying to say was that while there are many solutions, the responsibility of insuring that care is provided is a government function. I don't want any representative or employee that gets paid with tax dollars to get let off the hook for that, incompetent or no. 

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:47 AM (Nxqko)

297 Can any veteran use a VA hospital? What if a person was never in combat or never injured? Or is it only reserved for those veterans who were in combat or who were injured in combat?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:47 AM (gmeXX)

298 Cheri you're missing a huge component. Say the VA shut down tomorrow and every vet got vouchers to use in the private sector. What do you think would happen to all the doctors/nurses at the VA? They'd go into private practice. So the same people treating the vets now, would be treating them tomorrow as well. Except for two things 1. It would be a lot cheaper 2. Vets would have a much wider choice of care

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 31, 2016 06:47 AM (0LHZx)

299 Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 11:46 AM (O2RFr) A bunch of people including a couple of cops and witnesses.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (GDulk)

300 Can any veteran use a VA hospital? Yes...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (O2RFr)

301 I'd like to see a hybrid, a VA type operation but outsourced to the private sector. I agree that it is preferable for many vets to have an organization that can handle their often unique needs but the current structure is unworkable. Posted by: JackStraw Agree and I think that is what we are going to see. VA Medical Centers will essentially become large out patient clinics with inpatient care going to the private sector. I think that this will be the best of both worlds and I would be happy to be put out of a job if this were to happen.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (oiNtH)

302 Sharkman Go to Click2Houston, or ABC13, or the DailyMail Hispanic, no criminal record, one enlistment, 2 deployments to Afghanastan, father says he had PTSD. Infantry in 2010 in Afghanistan.

Posted by: ThunderB at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (zOTsN)

303 A bunch of people including a couple of cops and witnesses. So a mass shooting..... Where's the press on this....

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (O2RFr)

304 SH, Soona what I was trying to say was that while there are many solutions, the responsibility of insuring that care is provided is a government function. ---------- I don't think we were disagreeing with that at all. Maybe we are just miscommunicating.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:48 AM (gmeXX)

305 Alan Grayson marries mentally ill hot woman. The article doesn't actually say she's mentally ill but she married Alan Grayson so . . . . http://tinyurl.com/jt3we7r Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 11:42 AM (Nwg0u) --------------------- Wo-ho, she's an MD and will take his name. Why? So there will be another Congressperson Grayson -- she's running for his old seat while he's running for Marco Rubio's. God help us. Is there any chance he'll win?

Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 06:49 AM (pC96u)

306

In a similar vein, 'The Victorian Internet' covers the establishment and huge influence of the telegraph in roughly the same period.

 

 

You would enjoy this book, then, Matthew Sweet's Inventing the Victorians:

 

https://goo.gl/DfvYxj

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 31, 2016 06:49 AM (X6fMO)

307 Can any veteran use a VA hospital? Yes... -------------- Do they have to pay? Can a veteran who never saw combat who was never injured use the services of a VA hospital 40 years after he served without cost to that veteran?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:50 AM (gmeXX)

308 Say the VA shut down tomorrow and every vet got vouchers to use in the private sector. What do you think would happen to all the doctors/nurses at the VA? They'd go into private practice. So the same people treating the vets now, would be treating them tomorrow as well. Except for two things 1. It would be a lot cheaper 2. Vets would have a much wider choice of care Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo Would private sector hospitals suddenly acquire bed space and square footage? Our local trauma center has 90 licensed beds. Hiring 50 more providers/clinical staff is not going to increase their size. Logistics.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 06:50 AM (oiNtH)

309 God help us. Is there any chance he'll win? Posted by: iforgot at May 31, 2016 11:49 AM (pC96u) ____ FL voted for Obama twice and the orangeman as well. So.....

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 31, 2016 06:50 AM (0LHZx)

310 THEN PHONE WAS WHALE?!?!?!?!?! The call is coming from inside the whale! Jonah Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u) Well played, Sir. Well played, indeed.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 06:51 AM (CS7jF)

311 Do they have to pay? Can a veteran who never saw combat who was never injured use the services of a VA hospital 40 years after he served without cost to that veteran? You have to pay some but not much.. At least My Husband does...

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:51 AM (O2RFr)

312 I'd like to see a hybrid, a VA type operation but outsourced to the private sector. I agree that it is preferable for many vets to have an organization that can handle their often unique needs but the current structure is unworkable. Posted by: JackStraw at May 31, 2016 11:44 AM (/tuJf) I think this is where Trump's position on giving veterans vouchers is the way to go. The VA should spend it's resources on developing care that is central to the unique needs of a veteran. The more run of the mill stuff, such as diabetes care, heart and blood vessel care, etc. that are not a unique battle type of injury or disease would be handled by the vet's choice of private health care. The vet would receive much better and faster care for those types of problems and then the VA could actually provide what should be expert, not typically found elsewhere care for mental, emotional, and rehabilitative care for vets in a setting that has support from other vets with similar issues, because the VA system has been relieved of the burden of common care. And there would need to be good communication between the private docs and military docs in the two locations. No excuse for that not to happen today with the technology available.

Posted by: Jen the original at May 31, 2016 06:51 AM (uMGjt)

313 What I do not get is how the cops missed his pack laying in the street Sunday, with birth certificate inside, yet retrieved it Monday. "The combat style backpack, inexplicably uncollected by the Houston Police Department Sunday, was found Monday, in plain sight, at the service station that caught fire on the 13200 block of Memorial Drive." http://www.click2houston.com/news/father-believes-west-houston-shooter-is-his-son-

Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at May 31, 2016 06:51 AM (rlfds)

314 they'll try to pin the shooting on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Republicans, KKK, whatever, as they always do - The fact they haven't already tells me there's more to this story than we know.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 06:51 AM (Nwg0u)

315 Would private sector hospitals suddenly acquire bed space and square footage? Our local trauma center has 90 licensed beds. Hiring 50 more providers/clinical staff is not going to increase their size. Logistics. Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 11:50 AM (oiNtH) _____ In 1942, the US went from making no tanks to making a fuck ton of tanks overnight. I think in 2016 we could figure out a way to expand trauma centers pretty quickly.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 31, 2016 06:52 AM (0LHZx)

316 Speaking of Thackeray, I read Vanity Fair.  He was the author but also drew the original illustrations.  That really impressed me.  As a reader you're also sure that the illustrations really match the author's imagination.  The pictures in that book provide a few extra clues too.

Posted by: JT at May 31, 2016 06:52 AM (yqvys)

317 SH,

There is a thought among conservatives that "if only the free market were allowed to work" that all problems would be instantly solved.

I do not want conservative politicians to hide behind the shibboleth of this particular fantasy notion and avoid their responsibility to veterans that way.

I apologize if I misunderstood you.


Cheri is one of the good ones. I would want her treating vets with public or private money or whatever it takes.

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:52 AM (Nxqko)

318 Do they have to pay? Can a veteran who never saw combat who was never injured use the services of a VA hospital 40 years after he served without cost to that veteran? You have to pay some but not much.. At least My Husband does... -------------- I do think that leads to some interesting questions. Do we (society) want to pay for that? I don't think anyone questions that we have a duty to care for those veterans who were wounded in combat - or who suffer later in life due to combat. But should we pay for their medical care later in life merely because they were veterans?

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:53 AM (gmeXX)

319 Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 11:48 AM (O2RFr) I think that's ThunderB's point. Up until San Bernadino there was always a massive Twitter feed and realtime coverage by *real* people. This time, silence.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 06:53 AM (GDulk)

320 283 Anybody have a link to factual reporting about the Houston shooter?
Seems to me that if he is white and former military, the MFM won't give two shits that he has PTSD and they'll try to pin the shooting on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Republicans, KKK, whatever, as they always do in every case. Shit, with the Ft. Hood massacre, they've failed to report the truth since the bodies were still cooling. I expect the same to occur here.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 11:43 AM (CS7jF)


And this, by the way, is Exhibit #62,314 of the continuing series "Why This Country Is Not Served By the 24/7 News Cycle."

Even without the biased reporting that Sharkman points out that usually follows these shootings, it's going to take a number of days, or even weeks, for all the details to get sorted out and verified. But the ever-gaping maw of 24/7 news requires every half-heard rumor and half-baked witness to be reported as fact. So we're presented with a mass of disparate and even contradictory elements to make sense out of, and the end result is more confusion.

Posted by: OregonMuse at May 31, 2016 06:53 AM (UHKOQ)

321 293 It's not the care givers. It's the administrators, the paper pushers My own impression from Illinois is that the decline of various clubs -- Legion, VFW, Optimists, Moose, Elks, etc. have also contributed to the loss of citizen oversight. The volunteers would go monthly and talk to the vets and their caregivers and make sure if there was a simple need, books, pajamas, letters, they would arrange to get those items to them directly. Posted by: mustbequantum at May 31, 2016 11:46 AM (MIKMs) -------------------- And therein lies the problem. When charity organizations (religious or otherwise) couldn't compete with the huge government largesse, they started becoming less and less relevant. It's just one chapter in how the mafia in DC has taken over the free market.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 06:54 AM (Fmupd)

322 Pretty good press conference with Trump. How many votes do you think Trump will gain by ripping the dishonest political press?

Posted by: jwest at May 31, 2016 06:54 AM (Zs4uk)

323 270 Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity

Sorry but I disagree after 18 years in healthcare. Eleven years spent in the private sector and the last 7 with the VA. For every patient, there is a need for 10 staff members. Private sector hospitals have a severe nursing shortage as it is. No need to call met nuts....jeez.

Posted by: Cheri at May 31, 2016 11:41 AM (oiNtH)


i'm going to repeat something that i heard from someone i know that works at the phx va......this is not meant to disparage vets....this person works with the vets that have severe ptsd and mental health issues......some of these vets have been sent out to private practices and IMMEDIATELY sent back to the va for treatment because private health care facilities CAN'T/WON'T  help them because of the vets behavior issues.  private practices are not equipt to handle veterans with special needs because private practices don't understand or won't understand what the vet has been through.....they don't understand the language of the vet....they don't understand the impatience of the vet....they can't relate personally to the vet......i'm not saying all practices are like that....i'm not saying all vets are like that.....but the va is able to help vets better than private practices....sadly the va is understaffed with medical staff and OVER staffed with administration.....some of the administration has never served....never had a family serve and are not even pro military.....they are there as merely a stepping stone to a higher position in the gov't and they are there because of a political favor being granted to them.......the solution is get more medical staff in the va....and clean house of the administration......get people in there that care about the military. 

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:54 AM (0O7c5)

324 So we're presented with a mass of disparate and even contradictory elements to make sense out of, and the end result is more confusion. Kind of like "hands up, don't shoot?"

Posted by: donna at May 31, 2016 06:54 AM (O2RFr)

325 The practitioners at the VA could deliver better care if liberated from the goddamned maze the career admin have set up. There are two ABSOLUTE "socialist" helathcare systems at the Federal level the VA and the Indian Rez system...both are raging clusterfucks the left doesn't point to as they try to become EVERYONE's MD... and fuck Sarah Silverman for having a problem with Pols looking into her ginny pills and not having issue with Obama and IPAB controlling Gram and Gramps' cancer medicine.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 06:55 AM (g8Hfr)

326 Poor whale. Went out for a meal and a leisurely swim and look what happened.

Posted by: Hank at May 31, 2016 06:56 AM (Of0gg)

327 There is a thought among conservatives that "if only the free market were allowed to work" that all problems would be instantly solved. I do not want conservative politicians to hide behind the shibboleth of this particular fantasy notion and avoid their responsibility to veterans that way. ---------------- I don't think the free market would solve all problems. I just think it would work better and more efficiently than a government program. There are some benefits of a VA center that a private sector may not be able to provide - the connection with other soldiers in one place.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 06:56 AM (gmeXX)

328 "The combat style backpack, inexplicably uncollected by the Houston Police Department Sunday, was found Monday, in plain sight, at the service station that caught fire on the 13200 block of Memorial Drive." http://www.click2houston.com/news/father-believes-west-houston-shooter-is-his-son- Posted by: SMFH while circling the drain... at May 31, 2016 11:51 AM (rlfds) As I said in a previous thread, this has been a gong show on the part of the HPD. The Good Samaritan who was shot by their SWAT team needs to lawyer up and sue anybody and everybody who works for the City of Houston.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 31, 2016 06:56 AM (4k1aC)

329 The fact they haven't already tells me there's more to this story than we know. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 31, 2016 11:51 AM (Nwg0u) They (the MFM) have had two days to come up with the appropriate coordinated liberal talking points, yet...

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (wYnyS)

330 ace up

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (/CXhS)

331 there's a nood

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (0O7c5)

332 320 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 31, 2016 11:53 AM (GDulk) Yup. Twatter has quietly followed f*c*book's Germany "crowd controlling".... The sound of the internet will soon be the sound of one hand clapping...forever...just like Orwell's boot.

Posted by: sven10077 at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (g8Hfr)

333 With regards to the VA, all I have to go on is the care my father got. For the most part he got fairly good service from the VA hospitals and doctors in the Bronx and Manhattan where he went most of the time. When he moved to Colorado he got even better service and positively heroic service when he suffered a massive heart attack, sadly dad died from his heart attack but I have nothing but respect and admiration for the nurses and doctors who cared for him.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (I/C5S)

334 ThunderB at May 31, 2016 11:48 AM (zOTsN) Thanks for the info.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (CS7jF)

335 There is already a hybrid thing for veteran care called TRI-CARE which is as I understand it a VA funded health insurance system. Vouchers would not be a cure-all. Think medicaid/medicare. Government funded insurance in the biggest PITA insurance any doc or hospital ever deals with. What might help the VA more. Make a rule that any administrative job can only be filled by an actual veteran with recommendations from those they served with. And take away any union and most government restrictions on firing people that are just chair warmers.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (wYRTH)

336 The free market will absorb extra demand. That's how it works. That's who Amazon grew from a website that sold books to a website that controls the retail universe.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (0LHZx)

337 "Only college freshman libertarians believe that the US Court system could be improve by being run as a for-profit entity. " The current justice system is as non-profit as the Clinton Foundation. The Ferguson tension has been created by the extraction of fines from poor people. All the people who understood or intuited what was going on left Ferguson. Happens everywhere. Detroit is the old example. Chicago the new. State level is California. In New York it was Eric Garner selling single cigarettes. He was hurting the sales tax shakedown, the Medicaid business (both the fraud and the institutional if you can find a distinction), and was scaring away the marks (he was a big black guy). Can't have the Medicaid/Obamacare markers doing anything that gives them a sense of dignity and cuts into the vig. Kasich found that in the Bible.

Posted by: huh? at May 31, 2016 06:57 AM (jN+3o)

338 Fear of Death: From the author of the 2013 article about the "economic miracle" of Venezuela.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 31, 2016 06:58 AM (VdICR)

339 Posted by: JT at May 31, 2016 11:52 AM (yqvys) Yes; We have that version; Very fine.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 31, 2016 06:58 AM (rmw+9)

340 326 The practitioners at the VA could deliver better care if liberated from the goddamned maze the career admin have set up. There are two ABSOLUTE "socialist" helathcare systems at the Federal level the VA and the Indian Rez system...both are raging clusterfucks the left doesn't point to as they try to become EVERYONE's MD... Thank you! I've been saying the same thing for years.

Posted by: josephistan at May 31, 2016 06:58 AM (7HtZB)

341 I don't think the free market would solve all problems. I just think it would work better and more efficiently than a government program. There are some benefits of a VA center that a private sector may not be able to provide - the connection with other soldiers in one place.

I agree and would like to see that tried.


"We would be happy to restructure the Department of Education, Department of Energy, and the VA to a hybrid-private sector model. Maybe if we had the presidency and two houses of Congress we could pull this off. "

/yourGOP

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 06:59 AM (Nxqko)

342 Whenever the subject of universal health care comes up, I always tell the people in favor of it to go to a VA hospital on any Monday morning and they'll see what it would be like.

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2016 07:00 AM (Fmupd)

343
"We would be happy to restructure the Department of Education, Department of Energy, and the VA to a hybrid-private sector model. Maybe if we had the presidency and two houses of Congress we could pull this off. "

/yourGOP

Posted by: Mortimer at May 31, 2016 11:59 AM (Nxqko)

*snort*

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 07:01 AM (0O7c5)

344 I assume that lifetime VA health care (such that it is) is a large part of recruitment/retention. I also think it's fair and just. Risking everything (and everyone who enlists could potentially see combat) should come with a permanent benefit. Just as committing a felony should come with a permanent punishment (no Vote).

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 31, 2016 07:01 AM (2cS/G)

345 From what I've heard, Sean Penn is setting up relief efforts for Venezuela. Won't you help? Can you find it in your hearts to give?

Posted by: Hank at May 31, 2016 07:02 AM (Of0gg)

346 I've been told, possibly erroneously, that the VA is Medicare. That a veteran will be sent elsewhere if that veteran doesn't have the same qualifications as would be required for Medicare. I believe this is so because that would maximize the return for DC and its Lobbyist masters. Any written law or regulation disputing this would be compared against the respect that has been shown for the US Constitution by the SCOTUS, Congress, and the POTUS. (people who dispute. Sorry. Can't believe you even if what you say is true because Obama and Bill Clinton with a side order of George Herbert Walker Bush.)

Posted by: huh? at May 31, 2016 07:05 AM (jN+3o)

347 153 Here's a question for the horde: do you think the VA would be in better condition if McCain had won? Posted by: Chupacabra at May 31, 2016 11:01 AM ----------------- Yes, but only marginally. The VA system is like the NHS in Britain ---overall inefficient but varied on the ground. There are some very good med centers and some very bad ones. The differences are largely attributable to the competence and attitude of local management. Obama has the Common Core mentality. "Reform" for him means highly politicized, ideological micro-management applied indiscriminately across the board. This hampers the good local managers, sometimes severely, while doing nothing to improve the bad ones. The difference between McCain and Obama is that the old fart is not an ideological fanatic determined to use all institutions as a vehicle for the Movement. He is reactionary enough to see the VA as an organization whose primary purpose is to serve the needs of vets. McCain doesn't hate vets the way Obama does and would at least listen to them. He himself comes first, to be sure, but vets aren't dead last on the rest of his list. So yeah, McCain would have been better --- or at least not nearly as awful.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 31, 2016 07:06 AM (T/5A0)

348 I assume that lifetime VA health care (such that it is) is a large part of recruitment/retention. I also think it's fair and just. Risking everything (and everyone who enlists could potentially see combat) should come with a permanent benefit. ---------- I'm not sure I agree. I also think it has an effect of using resources for those who may need care less than others.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 07:06 AM (gmeXX)

349 "From what I've heard, Sean Penn is setting up relief efforts for Venezuela. Won't you help? Can you find it in your hearts to give?" Celebrity Naked and Afraid. Sean Penn and Rosy ODonell. Downtown Caracas.

Posted by: huh? at May 31, 2016 07:07 AM (jN+3o)

350 huh?

http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/586/busting-myths-about-va-health-care/

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 07:08 AM (0O7c5)

351 GOPe, "at least not nearly as awful."

Posted by: huh? at May 31, 2016 07:08 AM (jN+3o)

352 I assume that lifetime VA health care (such that it is) is a large part of recruitment/retention. I also think it's fair and just. Risking everything (and everyone who enlists could potentially see combat) should come with a permanent benefit. ---------- I'm not sure I agree. I also think it has an effect of using resources for those who may need care less than others. ---------- I should clarify and not be wishy-washy. I do not agree. I do not agree that every and all veterans should get "free" healthcare merely because they are a veteran. I'm not talking about those injured or who suffer from their duties. But I'm not really sure if VA hospitals cover those people or not - especially if they are not medicare eligible.

Posted by: SH at May 31, 2016 07:09 AM (gmeXX)

353 CNN is having the vapors over Trump not kissing their ass. Donald Trump is the Kaiju absorbing the missiles being fired and growing ever larger. People engaged even nominally see what a cesspool this media has become, covering for their relatives in progressive government while going on the constant attack against people who dare to challenge their privileged status. This cannot end well.

Posted by: Spoonman at May 31, 2016 07:13 AM (PcHwJ)

354 "Can any veteran use a VA hospital? What if a person was never in combat or never injured? Or is it only reserved for those veterans who were in combat or who were injured in combat?" No, I think you need to prove that your complaint is "service related". That can be a challenge. I know a guy who was in the Navy band that is using the system. Wife worked for 20 years at the SF VA hospital. That particular facility is beautiful, I am sure not a more naturally beautiful setting can be found in all of the USA. Having said that, she put in for retirement at the earliest convenience, not one day later. She would come home in tears often.

Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2016 07:20 AM (w7KSn)

355 The VA has never worked well across it's entire system, because it is government supplied, and having faith that there is some magic world where it would suddenly be a good system is unicorn farts. Maybe I missed something, but I am aware of literally no evidence on this earth supporting the idea. If veterans had vouchers, by the way, that isn't the end of the VA. It merely means the Vets no longer have to tolerate whatever crap sandwich a particular hospital tries to serve them, whether government owned or private. War-injured Vets should be entitled to go anywhere. If the VA is better at something specific, then go there, but if the private sector can do it better, go there.

Posted by: MTF, Amity and Enmity at May 31, 2016 07:22 AM (/m8T6)

356 navybrat

http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/586/busting-myths-about-va-health-care/

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 12:08 PM (0O7c5)


Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2016 07:23 AM (0O7c5)

357 Thanks, phoenix. All I know about eligibility is what I hear from friends, since I am not a vet.

Posted by: navybrat at May 31, 2016 07:26 AM (w7KSn)

358 Can any veteran use a VA hospital? What if a person was never in combat or never injured? Or is it only reserved for those veterans who were in combat or who were injured in combat? Posted by: SH --------- Generally speaking, if the medical problem is service-related, then the care is there. If it is not service related, then there is a means test. There are priority levels: http://preview.tinyurl.com/hbyrx29 I, for instance, do not have any service-related disability, and my income is beyond the means test, ergo, I am generally not qualified for VA care. It is worth noting that the service-related and means testing has only been implemented in recent years, thus there are thousands of Vets receiving VA care who could pay for it themselves and are being treated for problems that have nothing to do with their service. In my experience, only a minority are receiving treatment for anything service-related, and many are perfectly capable of paying their own way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 31, 2016 07:34 AM (9mTYi)

359 Anyone else ever notice that the book Moby Dick (!) is obsessed with "sperm"? "The hunt for sperm...and so we seek sperm...search for sperm goes on...". A bunch of men on a ship hunting "sperm". Uh huh.

Posted by: bruce at May 31, 2016 04:10 PM (LvIKn)

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