May 29, 2010

Michael Caine, Conservative (Sorta)
— Ace

Not to Step On Dennis Hopper's Obituary, But... I've been looking for some reason to link this interview with Tory and Cameron-supporter Michael Caine.

Gun to my head, forcing me to choose, he's my favorite all-time actor.

He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.

Several interesting things in the interview:

AVC: [Violent vigilatne movie "Harry Brown," Caine's next film] has drawn criticism for presenting what some have called a “Daily Mail take” on things—that it’s tabloid fear-mongering.

MC: That was exactly the reaction. Because one of the things is that if you’re a Socialist newspaper, well, the Socialists have been in power for 12 years, and these are the very poorest people in England, and this is what’s happened to them. So you’ve got to say it’s a load of crap. [Laughs.]

AVC: How did Harry Brown influence your recent coming out as an official spokesman for the Conservative Party?

MC: That came out because they actually had a charity that was trying to take care of these people. This wasn’t something that [Conservative Party leader David] Cameron was going to do if he became Prime Minister; it’s been up and running for ages, and Cameron is part of it. But there’s also another reason—that is, that I don’t belong to any political party. If anybody’s been in too long, I vote for the next lot. [The Labour Party] has been in for three terms now, and I always think that it’s too long. I voted for Maggie Thatcher, and when she’d been in for two terms, I voted for Tony Blair. Now he’s been in too long, and we wound up with Gordon Brown. We didn’t even vote for him. So I thought I’d vote for Cameron this time. But then I told him, “You’ve only got two terms, as well.”

AVC: You told him that to his face?

MC: Yeah, I did. I think we should all vote like that. Otherwise we’re just the slaves of any political party. We should vote for the welfare of the country, not for the welfare of the party.

...

AVC: But do you think the movie might actually encourage an “us against them” mentality rather than “we should help these people”? The audience I saw it with cheered every time you killed someone.

MC: No, I don’t think so at all, because in the cinema the people we’re killing are really bad people. Let’s put it another way: 80 percent of any gang is not there to attack someone. They’re there so no one will attack them. We’re aiming at that 80 percent that you could possibly save, if you want to put it that way. There are quite a high percentage of people in there who are sociopaths, psychopaths, or hardened criminals who you’re not going to reeducate. All we want to do is reeducate the ones who are too scared. [Laughs.]

...

AVC: You’ve spent a good chunk of your career playing likeable criminals, killers, and cads. What’s your secret to making those kinds of characters appealing?

MC: Well, nobody’s a criminal to himself. You see, I never play a criminal like a bad person. It’s like the con man in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels: He’s fooling old ladies for their money and all that. But he never saw himself as [a criminal]. He just saw himself as some kind of romantic figure, which is funny.

AVC: Do you find the more amoral a character, the more interesting it is to play?

MC: Oh yeah, they are more interesting to play. I don’t want to play saints. I don’t think I’d know how to play one, because I’m not one. [Laughs.]

AVC: When you were first coming up, you represented the rough-and-tumble, Cockney, working-class man—the antithesis to more “proper” British heroes. Do you think that those class divisions still exist in pop culture?

MC: No. We broke those down in the ’60s. You have to remember that before people like me came along, the only time you ever saw a Cockney in the movie was either as a thug or a subservient servant of some kind. You never saw [Cockney] heroes until John Osborne wrote Look Back In Anger—the first working-class hero I remember. For instance, in England, all war films were about officers, which is why my lot—my young guys—we all watched American war films. All American war films are about privates. From Here To Eternity, The Naked And The Dead—it’s all about privates. Every British war film was about officers. But I eventually wound up in a play called The Long And The Short And The Tall, which was the first play for the stage ever written about private soldiers. So that was where we broke the class thing down.

I really like that last bit-- Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class).

That's why Robin Hood -- as obvious and iconic a member of the yeomanry, or proto-middle class, as there ever was in all of history (or historic fiction)-- was of course transformed into Lord of Loxley in plays, and then movies, a very dumb conceit that continues to the present day.

And is what's wrong (among dozens and dozens of other things) with the new Ridley Scott Robin Hood -- yeah, sort of, he's a yeoman, but then they still want to make him Lord of Loxley and so have a big boring convoluted patch of the movie which makes him become Lord of Loxley by invitation and deception, and also then they establish that he seems to be the son of a baron or some other nobleman.

It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility. I felt like Russel Crowe had wanted to make him a yeoman, and Ridley Scott wanted to make him a lord, yet again (or vice versa), and the compromise they found was to make him both, which wouldn't be that objectionable, except they wasted my time for over an hour with this wishy-washy partly-one-but-really-the-other nonsense.

Worst movie I ever saw in the theater -- don't see Robin Hood. I could not wait for it to be over, and I had that feeling within 50 minutes.

It was so bad I could never get down to a proper review, because I just kept noodling in my head all the things that were fundamentally wrong with it, and there were too many to detail.

See Iron Man 2 (more of the same, almost as good; not great, but neither was the first one, actually) and, yes, MacGruber, which is very funny and well done, but is not for everyone -- it earns every inch of its R rating with filthy jokes and scatological humor.

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1

A friend of mine sent me this link to the movie Harry Brown being available online for free. Worth a few tries....

http://tinyurl.com/22nf5x9

 

 

 

Posted by: JDW at May 29, 2010 11:58 AM (7yofg)

2 Why is he the greatest actor ever??? BLAME. IT. ON. RIO. Michelle Johnson's breasts were fabulous. I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: TomB at May 29, 2010 12:00 PM (GnoLL)

3 In the film industry, not being a foaming Communist pretty much makes you a conservative by default.  So yeah, I'll go with it.

Can't wait for Harry Brown.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 12:00 PM (AFMat)

4
Worst movie I ever saw in the theater -- don't see Robin Hood. I could not wait for it to be over, and I had that feeling within 50 minutes.


Hollywood: out of ideas. All they can churn out are re-makes.  Re-makes of Robin Hood and Peter Pan are the lefty-Hollywood favorite.

Tax people and never grow up - what could be better?


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 29, 2010 12:01 PM (0fzsA)

5 All American war films are about privates. From Here To Eternity, The Naked And The Dead—it’s all about privates. Every British war film was about officers.

Guilty of using the "all" generalization a little there. My favorite British actor has always been Sean Connery. (Yes, a lefty he is).

Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 12:03 PM (6taRI)

6

See Iron Man 2 (more of the same, almost as good; not great, but neither was the first one, actually) and, yes, MacGruber, which is very funny and well done, but is not for everyone -- it earns every inch of its R rating with filthy jokes and scatological humor.

I likes me some scatological humor.

Posted by: POLAR BEAR at May 29, 2010 12:04 PM (8EPHU)

7 "The Man Who Would Be King" and "Zulu" are two of the best films ever made.

Posted by: kidney at May 29, 2010 12:04 PM (Abmb8)

8 All American war films are about privates.

Or at least, the porn remakes are.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 12:04 PM (AFMat)

9

All American war films are about privates.

Or at least, the porn remakes are.

Here we go again, didn't you guys get enough of that last night? Though to be honest, I was wondering how long it would take someone to go there.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 29, 2010 12:07 PM (RZ8pf)

10

I likes me some scatological humor.

You think that's funny, check this out.

Posted by: Scatman Crothers at May 29, 2010 12:08 PM (8EPHU)

11 Think he could do that Mr Desiny bit again?

Obama makes that free throw, goes onto a basketball scholarship at UCLA and never enters politics

Posted by: kbdabear at May 29, 2010 12:10 PM (sYxEE)

12 I like scatological humor so much, I sing about it.

Posted by: Ella Fitzgerald at May 29, 2010 12:10 PM (8EPHU)

13 Americans have a similar tradition.

Almost no detective show ever has a lower-class murderer or victim.  Law & Order is a good example, but so is Columbo.  Lots of dramas and sitcoms have wealthy and upper-middle-class people. 

Posted by: AmishDude at May 29, 2010 12:12 PM (T0NGe)

14 The thing about Michael Caine is that you never know if he's playing the good guy or the bad guy - or both - until the end of the movie.

Posted by: Editor at May 29, 2010 12:13 PM (YX6i/)

15 Oh, love the posting-flood on a Saturday, Ace.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 29, 2010 12:13 PM (T0NGe)

16

Top o' da afternoon to ya' ace ! Begorrah, doon't see my movie ace ?Why the fook not ?

Posted by: Russel Crowe as Robin Hood with an Irish accent at May 29, 2010 12:16 PM (t72+4)

17

Nice.

Saturday Bloggage of the Intelligent Military Variety.

Let me be the first to say Fuck the Flyers.

Go Blackhawks!!!!!

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 12:18 PM (a9bKy)

18

oh, yeah. 

Michael Caine.  He's no Dennehey, but he's good.

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 12:23 PM (a9bKy)

19 One of the funniest (not really in the 'haha' way) things is how the Left claims Robin Hood to be one of their own since he "takes from the rich and gives to the poor."
Well, the thing is that King John was bleeding his subjects dry with steep taxes that funded his extravagances, so the money that Robin Hood took from King John was really the subject's rightful money in the first place--they were the ones who earned it with their hard work, and King John unjustly took the fruits of their labor way from them so he could live, well, like a king, off of them. Robin Hood wasn't "redistributing the wealth," that's what King John was doing by redistributing practically all of the subject's earnings to himself. Robin Hood was just giving the people back what they rightfully earned and owned (and not in a "social justice" way, they really did deserve that money since they actually worked hard to get it). So, essentially, lefties are much more like King John than Robin Hood because they love to tax hard-working people up the wazoo so they can keep their cushy lifestyles with little-to-no work on their part (Michelle Obama, anybody? And her husband for the matter. Hell, pretty much all lefties, with the many living on fat government paychecks, are like this).

Ah, the irony. Well, they wouldn't be lefties if they weren't clueless.

Posted by: grace at May 29, 2010 12:26 PM (Exq1l)

20 Saw Harry Brown a few weeks ago. Great movie. Caine revealed some good stuff in an interview about the movie. (background. The movie is set in an estate or housing project. There's a gang of youths who more-or-less have their way). While the movie was being filmed (on location at an estate) , Caine was talking with the local gang. They said, "Where the hell are you from". Caine said, "About 200 yards that way". He had grown up in the next estate over and was in that estate's gang. After that, he was like a God to the local gang and they caused no trouble with the movie production.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 29, 2010 12:29 PM (jf5rK)

21 Michael Caine, Conservative (Sorta Not at All)

FTFY.

I don't see how voting for a party just because they've been in opposition for a while is remotely "conservative".

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 29, 2010 12:30 PM (4ucwG)

22 Michael Caine in "A Shock To the System" was one of my favorite sleeper roles. Screenplay was by noted conservative screenwriter Andrew Klavan. Well written but I thought it wasn't well-directed. Caine really pulls the weight here and that's what he does in almost every film he's in. The exception is Jaws 3, where even he admitted he did it for the money.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 29, 2010 12:32 PM (9Cooa)

23

Battle of Britain on TCM. Our lads did a number on Jerry, eh what?

Before Labour ruined the country.

Posted by: RAF Leftenant at May 29, 2010 12:38 PM (OThQg)

24 "The Italian Job" was a bit lame, but worth the rental fee just to watch the car chase. My wife disagreed.

Posted by: zombie Benny Hill at May 29, 2010 12:39 PM (4Kl5M)

25 (I've had Harry Brown for free for six months!)

Posted by: Utorrent at May 29, 2010 12:46 PM (MFbfZ)

26 3 In the film industry, not being a foaming Communist pretty much makes you a conservative by default. So yeah, I'll go with it. Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 05:00 PM (AFMat) While we're on the subjects, Robert Downey Jr, post clean-up, has been hinting very strongly that he doesn't pull the donkey lever, at least not straight across the board.

Posted by: BuddyPC at May 29, 2010 12:51 PM (nSkOL)

27 I shall be forever ashamed of him. Miguel Cainito turned his back on his Armada heritage. I spit on his shoes.

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at May 29, 2010 12:51 PM (kgGdn)

28 Guilty of using the "all" generalization a little there. My favorite British actor has always been Sean Connery.

Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 05:03 PM (6taRI)

No, Maurice Micklewhite / Michael Caine was talking about 1940s & 50s films


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 29, 2010 12:52 PM (JrRME)

29 While we're on the subjects, Robert Downey Jr, post clean-up, has been hinting very strongly that he doesn't pull the donkey lever, at least not straight across the board.

Posted by: BuddyPC at May 29, 2010 05:51 PM (nSkOL)

Yeah, he's a republican. He said that after his experience in jail he couldn't be a liberal anymore. It's caused some of his fans to hate him.

Posted by: grace at May 29, 2010 12:54 PM (Exq1l)

30 Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class). That's why Robin Hood -- as obvious and iconic a member of the yeomanry, or proto-middle class, as there ever was in all of history (or historic fiction)-- was of course transformed into Lord of Loxley in plays, and then movies, a very dumb conceit that continues to the present day. Good point. I guess it's no coincidence that the definitive version of the Robin Hood legend was put together by American novelist Howard Pyle. In that version, Robin was originally Robert Fitzooth, son of Hugh Fitzooth. He does eventually become the Earl of Locksley, but not until the end of the book, as a reward for his deeds and compensation for his life on the run. For some reason the movies front-load that to make him some sort of nobility from the get-go.

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 29, 2010 12:55 PM (NT8XN)

31 Aaand of course my formatting doesn't take in that last post. Sorry, I was trying to quote Ace.

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 29, 2010 12:56 PM (NT8XN)

32 Sorry, I was trying to quote Ace. Quoting ace isn't for the faint of heart.

Posted by: hitter of softballs at May 29, 2010 01:00 PM (4Kl5M)

33 "Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class)."

America does that too.  I remember feeling like all the "typical" families depicted lived in luxury compared the squalor I grew up in.

Posted by: jeannie at May 29, 2010 01:06 PM (RFkOc)

34 "dennis hopper: actor, icon, unexepected conservative" should read: "dennis hopper: actor, icon, fine person" the rest follows.

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:07 PM (73jUp)

35 ... and i assure you, the last matters most.

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:08 PM (73jUp)

36 I really like that last bit-- Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class).

Depends. I think the upper class/lower class gap is much easier to write about over there, especially when you stereotype the lady/lord & butler relationship. But there are some British books about lower class people, such as books by Dickens, Elizabeth Gaskell's North & South, & Jane Austen's Sense & Sensibility. The last two especially establish lower middle to lower-class people as being hard-working & likable, while Dickens often referenced the mistreatment of the poor. Even Lord of the Rings is a celebration of the average man (the hobbits).

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:09 PM (Yq+qN)

37 robin hood... i preferred the character Sheriff of nottingham,  i'm so conflicted.

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2010 01:09 PM (HyUIR)

38 i love tolkein, (rings series) movie was abysmal, books were wonderous. my children adored them

Posted by: willow at May 29, 2010 01:11 PM (HyUIR)

39 Second Hand Lions.

Great movie. Caine+Duvall. What a combo.

Posted by: A. Moron at May 29, 2010 01:12 PM (MYj42)

40

Grace @ #21.

Brilliant point. That would make a great anti-thesis (not antithesis) for some senior dissertation at Berkeley. Well done.

 

Posted by: JDW at May 29, 2010 01:13 PM (7yofg)

41 Robin Hood? The Adventures of Robin Hood or the animated Disney version are the best, IMO. You'll also see a bit of FDR-era propaganda in the former. But it's a great movie, with many wonderful performances. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:13 PM (Yq+qN)

42 You'll also see a bit of FDR-era propaganda in the former.

Oh, now that's just silly.  What gave you an idea like that?

Posted by: Harry Warner at May 29, 2010 01:15 PM (Nnplv)

43 Robin Hood? The Adventures of Robin Hood or the animated Disney version are the best, IMO. You'll also see a bit of FDR-era propaganda in the former. But it's a great movie, with many wonderful performances. Pfft. Over played and over rated.

Posted by: Dennis Moore at May 29, 2010 01:17 PM (4Kl5M)

44 Michael Cane, fag.

Surely, a revision of your taste is needed, eh, ace?

Among the most entertaining reasons to read this shit blog, is to witness the incremental narrowing of ace's Little List of Acceptable Culture. The ideological filter applied by ace is a cultural cuisinart--if you say something bad about knuckleheads, like George Lucas's admonitions about the idiocies of George Bush, you're rubbed out. That's really sad, considering that Mr. Lucas contributed so much to lil' ace's socialization. When you're a knucklehead, you have to ready yourself for the constant unpleasant duty of hero-erasure.

In the end, all that's left of art is MacGrubert or other puerile yuk-yuks. Actually, I was going to say that porn is finally the only art imaginable revolving towards the black-hole of the knucklehead worldview (Darth Vader in ineluctably evil, and I'm not Darth Vader!). But shit like "First Time with Mother" would be unbearably cathartic for ace.

Posted by: Possibly, you're the stupidest asshole on the internets at May 29, 2010 01:17 PM (6UdAc)

45 MacGruber did have some funny lines.
"Just tell me what you want me to fuck."

Posted by: huh at May 29, 2010 01:18 PM (+ABdJ)

46 Also, some more modern British TV shows spoof the upper class. What about Up Stairs, Down Stairs? Two's Company? Jeeves & Wooster? I would also argue that the companions of the 10th Doctor are a celebration of the middle & lower classes. Billie Piper & Catherine Tate demonstrated that you can be anybody & still be respectable, if you are a good person who fights for justice & the good of mankind, etc.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:18 PM (Yq+qN)

47 Second Hand Lions.

Great movie. Caine+Duvall. What a combo.

Yes, that is one of my favorite movies. But you really have to be ready for some hard core schmaltz.

I really like that last bit-- Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class).

I never realized how totally class conscience the Brits were until I started reading Mercedes Lackey's books. Particularly those in the Elemental Masters series. 


Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 01:19 PM (6taRI)

48 In all fairness, it's hard to make a sitcom or dramedy work when the main characters are all living in terror from gang violence or giving HJs behind Burger King to feed the kids.

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at May 29, 2010 01:20 PM (31pnY)

49 Posted by: Possibly, you're the stupidest asshole on the internets at May 29, 2010 06:17 PM (6UdAc)

George, shut your fucking face and kindly start handing Star Wars and Indiana Jones over to people who might know what to do with them.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:21 PM (Nnplv)

50 10 All American war films are about privates.

Reminds me of one of my favorite "Who's Line is it Anyway?" quip:

Game:  "Pick up lines of a Drill Sargent"

Sargent:  Everyone line up!   I just want to stand here and look at my privates.

Posted by: LousisanaLightning at May 29, 2010 01:23 PM (fJhBR)

51 i gotsta tell youse guys, scrolling up from the bottom of the post is pure comedic gold. laughing out loud. really good stuff. some really brillianto people out there

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:23 PM (73jUp)

52 But I get the sense that Sir Michael doesn't watch as many modern British period dramas as he could. So many 19th Century novels deal with the gap between the classes & how people had to work to overcome those stereotypes. Gaskell's North & South, for example, is about a meeting/union of two cultures, the more prosperous middle class lifestyles in the South [of Britain] with the manufacturers & industrialists of the North. The BBC handled it admirably.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:29 PM (Yq+qN)

53 Caine just last month, on The Charlie Rose Show, said that if he were an American, he would be a conservative-ish Democrat.

Posted by: Robert_Paulson at May 29, 2010 01:30 PM (+deq6)

54 & let's not forget "The Fourth Protocol" with pierce brosnan, one of the only 80's movies that told it like it was and didnn't make reagan/hatcher the bad guys. and one of the only straight old-fashioned political thrillers of the past 50 years or so.

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:32 PM (73jUp)

55 Worst movie I ever saw in the theater -- don't see Robin Hood. I could not wait for it to be over, and I had that feeling within 50 minutes.

I dunno if it can be any worse than seeing Resident Evil: Extinction in the theaters.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 01:33 PM (c0A3e)

56

For some reason the movies front-load that to make him some sort of nobility from the get-go.

Could this be subconscious result of the need to place him in the crusades?  Fighting in them required a lot of money and was undertaken by the nobility.  Even the History Channel's thing they did on Robin Hood for the movie points out that fighting in the Crusades was very much a rich man's game.  For him to be in them he'd have to be a noble and perhaps that front-loading originates from someone in the past recognizing this fact.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 01:33 PM (oVQFe)

57 56 Caine just last month, on The Charlie Rose Show, said that if he were an American, he would be a conservative-ish Democrat.

Obviously Caine hasn't gotten the memo.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:36 PM (Nnplv)

58

60 56 Caine just last month, on The Charlie Rose Show, said that if he were an American, he would be a conservative-ish Democrat.

Obviously Caine hasn't gotten the memo.

Nah,  I'm willing to believe there are conservative-ish Democrats.  Now conservative-ish Democrat politicians is a complete load of shit.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 01:39 PM (oVQFe)

59 My only complaint about Iron Man 2 was not enough Mickey Rourke. And they changed Rhodey, i hate when another actor plays a character you're familiar with like that. Cheadle was fine, but still, keep the original, geez.

Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 01:40 PM (awinc)

60 buzzion: no, me thinks it's because of the ameriçan idea of individual self worth underpins most of the movies of the 30's. and operates today. s'wonderful. and let's not forget "the man who would be king" (with sean 'i'll bugger ya' connery). one of the only movie's of the 70's that wasn't a realism psychological character film. and one of the only pure adventure films of the past 50 years. ...and a fine

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:41 PM (EA+Co)

61 I dunno if it can be any worse than seeing Resident Evil: Extinction in the theaters.

The hell it can't.

Posted by: Guy Who Saw "The Number 23" in the Theaters at May 29, 2010 01:41 PM (Nnplv)

62 ... and a fine, wonderful, wonderful bunch o'guys they were... did i tells ya you're really funny? that i love ya? that i'm a bit kippered?

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:43 PM (7JES6)

63 I think I watch too much British TV.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:43 PM (Yq+qN)

64 66 I think I watch too much British TV.

I'm bookmarking this post.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:44 PM (Nnplv)

65 66 I think I watch too much British TV.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards recovery, .

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 01:46 PM (c0A3e)

66 that i'm a bit kippered?

Lucky bastard.  I'm plain old drunk.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:48 PM (Nnplv)

67 And they changed Rhodey, i hate when another actor plays a character you're familiar with like that.

Which i'm sure stems from the trauma i experienced watching reruns of Bewitched when i was a kid and having to put up with seeing a different Darin every damn day.

Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 01:49 PM (awinc)

68 and now! at last! see "Gunfight at the OK Corral", the best of the wyatt earp movies. bar none.

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 01:49 PM (7JES6)

69
Ridley's Scott's "Robin Hood" and "Kingdom of Heaven" are two of the worst movies in the past several years. They've forced me to reassess my view of Scott, not favorably.

In legend, of course, Robin was a Saxon earl (Earl of Locksley), which I guess could be considered nobility. But Saxon earls were far less exalted, far less elevated, because Saxon society and culture was less aristocratic-minded than the continental variants. Hell, before 1066, the King of England was elected by the earls (which is one reason why William's claim to throne after Edward the Confessor died is bogus). A Saxon yeoman or freeman did not bow down to an earl. Saxon society was still influenced by ancient Germanic-Indo-European tribal traditions of group rule, where every warrior/freeman was equal and had a "say" in tribal deliberations, including the election of their chieftains. It really was an attractive society. Then the Normans came and ruined it with their highfalutin' notions. And to think they had once been Vikings ... who became French-ified. Sad. Very sad.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 01:50 PM (28MmA)

70 Michael Caine could play Dr. Who, and in doing so make it watchable.

Posted by: eman at May 29, 2010 01:50 PM (kgGdn)

71 see "Gunfight at the OK Corral", the best of the wyatt earp movies. bar none.

Shit that's right, he IS in that. (Along with Dr. McCoy.)  Great movie.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:53 PM (Nnplv)

72

no, me thinks it's because of the ameriçan idea of individual self worth underpins most of the movies of the 30's. and operates today. s'wonderful.

I would be interested in knowing when the nobility and crusading first came into the story though.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 01:53 PM (oVQFe)

73
Fredo and his keeper just pulled away from the dock?

Posted by: Fish at May 29, 2010 01:53 PM (M5t+h)

74 Caine's best movie line: "Der Lamborghini, den?"

Posted by: Crusty at May 29, 2010 01:53 PM (qzgbP)

75 67 66 I'm bookmarking this post.

...or is there such a thing as watching too much British TV?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 01:55 PM (Yq+qN)

76 ...or is there such a thing as watching too much British TV?

Ohhhh no, UH-UH, it's too late now...

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:57 PM (Nnplv)

77

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 06:50 PM (28MmA)

If you're interested here's a crusade historian's review of Kingdom of Heaven

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 01:59 PM (oVQFe)

78
Thanks, buzzion. I mistankenly posted comments about "Robin Hood" in the Dennis Hopper thread. I get confused so easily.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 02:02 PM (28MmA)

Posted by: newser at May 29, 2010 02:02 PM (5TYGV)

80 79 Ohhhh no, UH-UH, it's too late now...

...& it was all going so well, too. I thought about it, for 2min. But I couldn't commit. Oh, dear.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:02 PM (Yq+qN)

81 77 Caine's best movie line: "Der Lamborghini, den?" Posted by: Crusty at May 29, 2010 06:53 PM (qzgbP) You clearly haven't seen Harry Brown. His best line is "You failed to maintain your weapon"

Posted by: Britt at May 29, 2010 02:02 PM (ybKBs)

82
"mistakenly"

Cripes, I'm done.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 02:04 PM (28MmA)

83 michael caine is awesome.

didnt think robin hood was that bad, though the whole middle of the movie was one gaping plot hole.  as for him being "kinda-nobility"....  ennhhk.  wrong, trebek.  he was the son of a blacksmith who was a revolutionary in the movie.  his dad was something of a proto-thomas paine, which is kinda pseudo-historically cool because it sets up the whole back story to king john signing the magna carta.

Posted by: A.G. at May 29, 2010 02:04 PM (qrKUQ)

84

@64: "I dunno if it can be any worse than seeing Resident Evil: Extinction in the theaters.
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The hell it can't."

--------------------

Pshaw! Pshaw, I say!

Posted by: A poor bastard who got dragged to "Cutthroat Island" at May 29, 2010 02:06 PM (8MuSQ)

85 wondering when nobility and crusading first came into the story? when we came along, the u.s.a. & the individual first, fruit of the enlightenment, graft of the renaissance, glory of the west & continuing inspiration of mankind. from this perspective, one can see why o'bama is apprealing to the rest of the world. he is america's "see, you're worthy too" gift to a swooning post industrial, me-too, 'i want to be an american' world. he's very reaganesgue, eh wot?

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:08 PM (73jUp)

86

Michael Caine...an East Ender, despite his wealth.

Read his remarks about his mom, and his upbringing.

His marriage is a long term one and he is a man's man. That's why I love him.

Posted by: Who knows at May 29, 2010 02:09 PM (aE/nJ)

87 ...and no, obama's appeal is not that he wants to redistribute wealth (outside of the academic euro-left). not even the euro's want that!

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:14 PM (7JES6)

88 wanta know how caine met his wife? she was a model and he saw her in an advert. he knew, saw something, knew, she was the one. rang her up. she dissuaded. he persisted. he won her heart. they lived happily ever after. baby, sometimes, ya's know.

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:18 PM (7JES6)

89 love triumphant!

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:19 PM (7JES6)

90 "Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class)." In light of that, it's ironic that the Cockney Caine's first starring role was as a snooty upper-class British Army officer in Zulu.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 02:24 PM (9Lm5R)

91

 "Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class)."


In light of that, it's ironic that the Cockney Caine's first starring role was as a snooty upper-class British Army officer in Zulu.

good film.

i've been watching old war movies on TMC or AMC, i can never tell the difference. anywho, people have always been telling me "The Battle of Britain" is a great film and I have to say i didn't like it at all. The acting was ok, the air battles were god awful, and it ended so abruptly.

 

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:26 PM (DKV43)

92

wanta know how caine met his wife?

she was a model and he saw her in an advert. he knew, saw something, knew, she was the one. rang her up. she dissuaded. he persisted. he won her heart. they lived happily ever after. baby, sometimes, ya's know
.

that's funny. oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:27 PM (DKV43)

93

that's funny. oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 07:27 PM (DKV43)

You got that too huh, I hate it when they come to your door and serve you in broad daylight.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 02:30 PM (fwSHf)

94 ben: well, it helps if you had starred in "the ipcress files"

Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:31 PM (EA+Co)

95 "We should vote for the welfare of the country, not for the welfare of the party."

If we had more people like that here, the Republican party might not have gone off the rails into Christian Socialism.


Posted by: Lee at May 29, 2010 02:31 PM (zF8wD)

96
oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.

Their lawyers are mean.

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 29, 2010 02:32 PM (4Q7Cg)

97 Sleepy Saturday. I take it everyone's gone to BBQ?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:32 PM (Yq+qN)

98 Another good Michael Caine war film is Play Dirty. Love the notorious ending.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 02:32 PM (9Lm5R)

99 Sleepy Saturday. I take it everyone's gone to BBQ?

Still here but there is only so much you can say about Michael Caine.

Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 02:33 PM (6taRI)

100 Caine's 1966 movie Alfie, which got him his first Oscar nomination, has some interesting "pro-life" moments in it. One of his lady friends becomes pregnant, and he arranges for an abortionist to come to his apartment to perform the procedure (this was before abortion was legal in Britain). When he returns, he goes into the room where the abortion took place. There is a reaction shot as he sees the baby's dead body. We in the audience of course never see the body, but his expression is something to behold. Later on he is talking about the situation to a friend, and he actually utters the words "and I killed my baby".

Posted by: Book Geek at May 29, 2010 02:34 PM (1+OO5)

101

 Sleepy Saturday. I take it everyone's gone to BBQ?

I just came in from doing a ton of yard work.

not much on the HQ, or any website for that matter.  i wish the leak in the gulf would take the weekend off.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:35 PM (DKV43)

102 Sleepy Saturday. I take it everyone's gone to BBQ?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 07:32 PM (Yq+qN)

It would have to be an underwater BBQ here.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 02:35 PM (fwSHf)

103

Another good Michael Caine war film is Play Dirty. Love the notorious ending.....

he was good in The Longest Day, which was altogether one of the better WW2 movies. 

I would have to say I think Tora Tora Tora is probably the best.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:36 PM (DKV43)

104

It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility.

Groan.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 29, 2010 02:37 PM (8EPHU)

105

" he's my favorite all-time actor."

 

I don't know, kind of a thin resume; a few mediocre flicks in the seventies, and lights out.

Sorta lik, I don't know, Todd Rundgren maybe?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 02:37 PM (GkYyh)

106 102 Still here but there is only so much you can say about Michael Caine.

...& his seeming neglect of period dramas produced by both the BBC & ITV.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:37 PM (Yq+qN)

107 Many good movies mentioned.  I didn't see The Eagle Has Landed, or Dressed to Kill, both classics in my view.  (Especially Major Nelson taking a few rounds in The Eagle).

One that I have on tap to see again is his old movie Get Carter.  Didn't do a damn thing to help the Iran Hostages, but I eagerly await him starring in Get Obama.

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 29, 2010 02:39 PM (MFbfZ)

108

"Zulu" is one of my top ten favorite movies and it wouldn't have been the same film without Caine.

I just saw "Alfie" a few years ago and I was actually blown away at its strong anti-abortion message; the main character was horrified at the "remains" and made a speech about how he killed that child.  Everyone talks about how the movie was an indictment of the "swinger's lifestyle" but it was really much more than that and was certainly a much better film than I expected.

"Sleuth."  Him and Olivier.  Oh yeah.

And Caine is just sexy, he always has been even with that terrible hair.

 

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:39 PM (qF8q3)

109

He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.

I knew a woman in my last neigbourhood who said she voted Liberal because,  "It was time to give the other guys a chance."(I Live in Alberta Canada where most people haven't voted Liberal since the 1920s.)

I said to her,  "How big would you like the provincial sale tax to be?"(Alberta doesn't have a provincial sales tax because, culturally and traditionally, Albertans are against taxes and we're the only Canadian province that doesn't have one)

She said,  "I never thought of that!"

(the Liberal Party of Alberta is on record as saying that Albertan resistence against a sales tax is "juvenile" and that if they formed a government in Alberta, they would institute one) 

Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 02:39 PM (o0R2E)

110

It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility.

Groan

this is why the last film I saw in the theater was The Dark Knight. I never go to the movies anymore.

There is a small artsy theater near me that plays cuts classics late night sometimes, so I will catch Donnie Darko at midnight, but i never see new movies anymore. They just aren't very good.

I find that foreign films tend to be better.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:40 PM (DKV43)

111 he was good in The Longest Day,

Caine wasn't in The Longest Day.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 29, 2010 02:40 PM (4ucwG)

112

He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.

I knew a woman in my last neigbourhood who said she voted Liberal because,  "It was time to give the other guys a chance."(I Live in Alberta Canada where most people haven't voted Liberal since the 1920s.)

I said to her,  "How big would you like the provincial sale tax to be?"(Alberta doesn't have a provincial sales tax because, culturally and traditionally, Albertans are against taxes and we're the only Canadian province that doesn't have one)

She said,  "I never thought of that!"

(the Liberal Party of Alberta is on record as saying that Albertan resistence against a sales tax is "juvenile" and that if they formed a government in Alberta, they would institute one) 

if america splits , alberta can come with us. same with some of the other right leaning canuck provinces.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:41 PM (DKV43)

113 106 he was good in The Longest Day, which was altogether one of the better WW2 movies...

Love that movie! It's no Great Escape or Bridge Over the River Kwai, but it really gives you a sense of what it was like on D-Day. All-star cast as well. Trivia:

Richard Todd (playing Major John Howard, Officer Commanding D Company of The 2nd Battalion The Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry, Air Landing Brigade, 6th Airborne Division) was himself in Normandy on D-Day, and participated as Capt. Todd of the 7th Parachute Battalion, 5th Parachute Brigade, British 6th Airborne Division. His battalion actually went into action as reinforcements, via a parachute jump (after the gliders had landed and completed the initial coup de main assault).  

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:41 PM (Yq+qN)

114 But Caine is protected 'cause of his relationship to Sir Barrymore and Co. Because no one fucks with "The S'mores."

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 02:41 PM (GkYyh)

115 List of Michael Caine movies

114 Perhaps he was thinking of A Bridge Too Far?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:44 PM (Yq+qN)

116

he was good in The Longest Day,

Caine wasn't in The Longest Day.

you're right. I was thinking of a film he was in about Burma or India, part of the southeast asian theater of the second world war. i can't think of the name

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:45 PM (DKV43)

117
He was great in The Longest Yard.

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 29, 2010 02:45 PM (4Q7Cg)

118 Caine has said he'd move out of Britain if they raise income taxes over 50 percent.  Sounds pretty conservative to me.  Liberals would do the same but they wouldn't admit it.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:46 PM (qF8q3)

119

Perhaps he was thinking of A Bridge Too Far?

yeah. that was it. i am forgetful since a  VC grenade went off near my head back when i was invading Wei with Blumenthal

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:46 PM (DKV43)

120

Miss80s.


I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:47 PM (DKV43)

121

Ben,,

It's kinda like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 02:47 PM (GkYyh)

122

Ben,,

It's kinda like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....

or like how internet rumors caused the First World War.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:48 PM (DKV43)

123

invading Wei with Blumenthal

I heard you guys were in Hue too. You were everywhere.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 02:48 PM (fwSHf)

124 "Robin Hood" looked too much like "Gladiator With a Bow."  After the disappointment that was "Kingdom of Heaven," a movie that didn't make a lick of sense, I'm pretty much through with Ridley Scott's forays into historical fiction.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:49 PM (qF8q3)

125 I seem to recall having read (probably in an obituary from a conservative source, like NRO) that Charles Bronson went conservative after the vicious attacks launched against him for the original Death Wish in 1974 (when there was no alternative to the MFM but the film was still a smash hit because everyone in the U.S. was pissed at the runaway crime rate of the era. Maybe the same thing's happened with Caine?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 02:49 PM (7b1Uc)

126 Well, A Bridge Too Far is about Operation Market-Garden (bridges to Germany), but it's been compared to The Longest Day. It's because everyone & their dog was in that movie.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:50 PM (Yq+qN)

127

invading Wei with Blumenthal

I heard you guys were in Hue too. You were everywhere.

but we were saved by Greg Kinnear who flew his chopper into heavy action to get us out.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:50 PM (DKV43)

128

I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.

Come on, it had Obi-Wan.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:51 PM (qF8q3)

129 O/T: Maher: Obama Not Acting Like A "Real Black" President

Read it and bask in the humming hypocrisy, radiating racism, and sheer stupidity.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 29, 2010 02:51 PM (zgd5N)

130

but we were saved by Greg Kinnear who flew his chopper into heavy action to get us out.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 07:50 PM (DKV43)

Yeah that's right and Tom Harkin was flying close air support. I remember now.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 02:52 PM (fwSHf)

131

I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.

Come on, it had Obi-Wan.

the end was too over the top for me.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:52 PM (DKV43)

132

So which did everyone like better?  Band of Brothers VS The Pacific.  I gotta go with Band of Brothers.

i stopped watching the pacific after the third episode. I thought it was so bad I would wait a while and go back and watch it.

there was too much to not like.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (DKV43)

133 123 Miss80s.

I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.

Lean had a tendency to be long-winded, & there were parts he could have skipped. Sturges' Great Escape is honestly the better film, IMO. But I still enjoy Kwai, mainly due to Sir Alec, Jack Hawkins, & James Donald. William Holden was good, but he wasn't great.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (Yq+qN)

134

"Come on, it had Obi-Wan."

Was Alec Guiness the voice of Obi-Wan?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (GkYyh)

135 Caine wasn't in The Longest Day.
His first feature role was in Zulu that I've just Googled to see was 1964 contrasted with 1962 for The Longest Day.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 02:54 PM (7b1Uc)

136 Read it and bask in the humming hypocrisy, radiating racism, and sheer stupidity.

Good thing he has that liberal free pass card.

Posted by: Noticer of Things at May 29, 2010 02:55 PM (XBdMr)

137 140 He played Obi-Wan, yes.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:55 PM (Yq+qN)

138 "Come on, it had Obi-Wan."

Was Alec Guiness the voice of Obi-Wan?

Posted by: Brad

No, Alec Guiness played Hattie McDaniel in Gone With the Wind.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 29, 2010 02:56 PM (zgd5N)

139 i stopped watching the pacific after the third episode.
A militarily-knowledgeable friend said the same thing, but he stuck with it and said it started getting great after the fifth show (IIRC).

Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 02:56 PM (7b1Uc)

140 145 Anyone see Kratos around today?

lol, I'm lurking.  Just don't have anything interesting to say about this.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 02:57 PM (c0A3e)

141 He played Obi-Wan? I thought that was a muppet.

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 02:58 PM (GkYyh)

142

Was Alec Guiness the voice of Obi-Wan?

Boy, someone just blew their Geek Cred.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:58 PM (qF8q3)

143 I like Sir Alec best in Lawrence of Arabia, because he plays a smarmy irresponsible hypocrite so well.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:59 PM (Yq+qN)

144

He played Obi-Wan? I thought that was a muppet.

First Rules of Holes, dear...

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 02:59 PM (qF8q3)

145

 i stopped watching the pacific after the third episode.
A militarily-knowledgeable friend said the same thing, but he stuck with it and said it started getting great after the fifth show (IIRC).

yeah i will come around and finish it eventually. its just not on the top of my list.

There was so much that pissed me off about it I had to walk away. I am not talking about historical stuff, just production quality, story telling, etc.

 

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:00 PM (DKV43)

146

I like Sir Alec best in Lawrence of Arabia, because he plays a smarmy irresponsible hypocrite so well.

He knew he "must be a king" so some leeway should be given.  Loved the makeup, too.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:01 PM (qF8q3)

147

Michael Caine is as awesome as Robin Hood was not awesome. They are complete polar opposites in quality.

Thought the movie had been 2 hrs - and we were only 40 mins in. Only good thing: making the French villains.

Harry Palmer FTW . . . but Jaws 4 into the pit with Robin Hood.

Posted by: The Q at May 29, 2010 03:02 PM (pfStM)

148 does anyone know if Tali Ihantala has been made with english sub titles yet? Those Finns make great war films.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:03 PM (DKV43)

149 155 Footloose update for ya Kratos.  The guy that played young John Connor in the Sarah Connor Chronicles is set to play the Kevin Bacon role in the remake!

Damn it! 

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 03:04 PM (c0A3e)

150

154

I like Sir Alec best in Lawrence of Arabia, because he plays a smarmy irresponsible hypocrite so well.

Looks like I've got a role in the remake!

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 29, 2010 03:05 PM (pfStM)

151

Ben at May 29, 2010 07:41 PM (DKV43)

"As announced in Budget 2009, the government plans to directly borrow $3.3 billion over three years commencing in 2009-10 to support almost $21 billion capital spending over that period. " (This by the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party that made Alberta the only DEBT FREE jurisdiction in the world.  They even passed a law making it Illegal to have Deficit Budgets, but since we got a new Premier,  "Steady Eddie" Stelmach, who broke that law and brought back deficits.

Alberta Heritage Fund:  $14.4 Billion Surplus in the bank from Oil Royalties. (the surplus would be $80-100 Billion if it wasn't for Government  Sector Union pandering) 

http://tinyurl.com/27djjm6

Why the Alberta Progressive Conservatives are paying debt service costs and making Alberta into a province saddled with debt  when the PCs have  the option to cut costs and shrink government like every other jurisdiction, plus the Heritage Fund, can only be answered by the desire to throw Alberta's economy onto the fast sinking ship that the rest of the world economy is tied to and be traitors to the people of Alberta.

 

Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 03:06 PM (o0R2E)

152

"Lawrence of Arabia" = super awesome movie...and not just because Peter O'Toole was all kinds of hot.  It's another one of my Top Ten Favorites of all time.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:06 PM (qF8q3)

153

"does anyone know if Tali Ihantala has been made with english sub titles yet? Those Finns make great war films."

Yeah, like Leningrad Cowboys and The Year of the Hare....

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:07 PM (GkYyh)

154 I'm sure this has already been said, but Harry Browne is a good flick, especially if you like revenge movies.  Caine was terrific.

Posted by: brak at May 29, 2010 03:07 PM (W5NBA)

155

I think it's a freakin' SIN to even mention a movie like "Footloose" in a thread like this.

I don't care how bad "Jaws IV" was, that's just disrespectful.

Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:08 PM (qF8q3)

156

I always liked Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's.

 CDR M

My favorite Caine film too, although I love Second hand Lions with  Robeta Duval, it's a HOOT.

Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 03:09 PM (o0R2E)

157 166 Sorry Kratos, could not resist giving you an update!

Thanks for the update, CDR M.

/not!

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 03:12 PM (c0A3e)

158 163 I agree. (Though his wonderfully blue eyes don't hurt.) It demonstrates what happens when a person doesn't know who they are & attempts to discover their identity through their own exploits. I know that isn't a key theme, but I thought it was quite intriguing. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:13 PM (Yq+qN)

159 i know most people here have a similar sense of humor, may i please suggest you watch Daniel Tosh's comedy special at 9pm on comedy central. it is hilarious.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:16 PM (DKV43)

160 170 163 That should be I know it isn't the key theme...

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:18 PM (Yq+qN)

161 9 est?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:18 PM (GkYyh)

162

I always liked Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, too. He played well off of Martin and Glenne Headley. Headley has always been seriously underrated. It's not his best work, by far, but a fun light romp of a movie.

 

BTW, where'd all the trolls come from?

Posted by: di butler, fan gurl at May 29, 2010 03:21 PM (S3xX1)

163

Actually, I've seen Tosh.O.  He is pretty funny.

the stand up routine was better than the clip show in my mind.

It's like the Jim Gaffegan special. I can watch it over and over.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:23 PM (DKV43)

164 you're right. I was thinking of a film he was in about Burma or India, part of the southeast asian theater of the second world war. i can't think of the name Too Late The Hero is probably the one you're thinking of, with Cliff Robertson.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 03:23 PM (9Lm5R)

165




Too Late The Hero is probably the one you're thinking of, with Cliff Robertson.

it was black and white if my memory serves me correctly?

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:24 PM (DKV43)

166 176: what trolls?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:28 PM (GkYyh)

167

 Second Hand Lions starts out with Caine and Duval as a couple of rich old coots who get their entertainment by sitting on the porch of their reclusive country house waiting for traveling salesmen.  They sit there with loaded shotguns beside them and shoot at the salesmen(copious warning signs all along their private road leading to the house)

Funny and poignant character growth.  The ending has the rich old adventurerers going out with, boots on and fighting finish with a suitably American BANG!

Loved it.

Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 03:29 PM (o0R2E)

168 So which did everyone like better?  Band of Brothers VS The Pacific.  I gotta go with Band of Brothers.


Band of Brothers, in my view, is OUTSTANDING.  OTOH, The Pacific basically sucked.  A few good scenes, but the skinny fruity main character is annoying as hell.  Band of Brothers featured the wise platoon leader (who moved up the ranks throughout the series), and was probably the better for being based on the work of Steven Ambrose.  The Pacific is loosely based on the novel "Helmet for my Pillow," by Robert Leckie (which I read as a kid).  It was a good book, but the series hasn't translated well.  What with the Japanese being the good guys and all.

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 29, 2010 03:32 PM (MFbfZ)

169 Why no Gary Coleman thread? I think we all know the answer.


Security Guards are generally not known for their threads.

Posted by: Wodeshed at May 29, 2010 03:34 PM (MFbfZ)

170 in Soundrels, without SteveMartin, that fucking flick woulda sunk like kingbarrys agendas

Posted by: ron dorque at May 29, 2010 03:34 PM (Bx3C6)

171 #182- just seemed like there were new trolls on every thread lately that I don't recognize.

Posted by: di butler, fan gurl at May 29, 2010 03:34 PM (S3xX1)

172 I always loved Caine.  He was awesome in even awful movies.  I'd watch him in anything.

Posted by: katya at May 29, 2010 03:35 PM (R176e)

173 182 176: what trolls?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 08:28 PM (GkYyh)

Comment 47 I would think.  They also left one on the previous thread.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 03:35 PM (oVQFe)

174 ...Let's Go Hawks!

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 03:40 PM (tG1Je)

175 Comment 47 I would think.

That's erg, he leaves the same basic comment every time Ace talks about conservatives in the entertainment industry.

Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 03:41 PM (awinc)

176 179

Actually, I've seen Tosh.O.  He is pretty funny.

the stand up routine was better than the clip show in my mind.

It's like the Jim Gaffegan special. I can watch it over and over.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 08:23 PM (DKV43)

Tosh.0 has new episodes starting wednesday.  A lot of the jokes and comments he makes on that are based around his standup bits.  Basically shows his sense of humor.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 03:41 PM (oVQFe)

177 This just in. Michael Jackson still dead and top kill fails. But mostly top kill fails.

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes at May 29, 2010 03:43 PM (uFdnM)

178 190: with you all the way on the Hawks. Glen Ellyn native here. And you?

Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:43 PM (GkYyh)

179

Oddly enough, from NY!?!?

But I was born a Hawks fan, apparently.  Haven't been this excited since the days of Roenick and Keenan!!!!

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 03:49 PM (tG1Je)

180 Second Hand Lions starts out with Caine and Duval as a couple of rich old coots who get their entertainment by sitting on the porch of their reclusive country house waiting for traveling salesmen.  They sit there with loaded shotguns beside them and shoot at the salesmen(copious warning signs all along their private road leading to the house)

Funny and poignant character growth.  The ending has the rich old adventurerers going out with, boots on and fighting finish with a suitably American BANG!

Loved it.

That was a good film. However the Osment kid almost tanked the film with his terrible acting,

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:50 PM (DKV43)

181

Oddly enough, from NY!?!?

But I was born a Hawks fan, apparently.  Haven't been this excited since the days of Roenick and Keenan!!!!

i remember when we crushed you in 1992.

Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:52 PM (DKV43)

182 > 184 ... OTOH, The Pacific basically sucked. ... The Pacific is loosely based on the novel "Helmet for my Pillow," by Robert Leckie (which I read as a kid). It was a good book, but the series hasn't translated well. What with the Japanese being the good guys and all. Posted by: Wodeshed NOVEL? The pacific is based upon Leckie's BIOGRAPHICAL book, "Helmet for my pillow". Sledge's BIOGRAPHICAL book, "With the old breed..." and accounts of Basilone's life. so far as the Japanese being the good guys... What series did you watch? I saw a Okinawan woman forced* to wear dynamite and get blown up to act as a diversion for a Japanese counter-attack in episode 9. *you know it was forced because she was trying to give her baby away before the Japanese detonated her.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 29, 2010 03:54 PM (jf5rK)

183 >>>And they changed Rhodey, i hate when another actor plays a character you're familiar with like that. Cheadle was fine, but still, keep the original, geez. That was annoying, and the other actor better (and a fresher face), but he simply refused to do the sequel, so they had no choice. I don't even think it was a negotiating ploy. I think he just didn't feel like it.

Posted by: ace at May 29, 2010 03:55 PM (66DVY)

184 I will NOT BE IGNORED!!! Pay attention to me. Michael did.

Posted by: Michelle Johnson's breasts (when she was 18) at May 29, 2010 03:57 PM (GnoLL)

185 O/T but if there are any techno geeks who can help me out. The boy just chomped down on my laptop's AC adapter cord and now it's not working. There's no obvious break in the cord. Anyone know of a trick to get it working again. Magic maybe?

Thanks!

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 03:59 PM (iBTj9)

186 C'mon, Niemi! Do what I couldn't do. Win.

Posted by: Tony Esposito, Old # 35 at May 29, 2010 04:02 PM (8WOM0)

187

i remember when we crushed you in 1992.

Whole year down the drain with one bad call!  I thoiught Keenan was going through that little plexi hole into the scorekeepers booth...funny shit, that.

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 04:05 PM (tG1Je)

188 If BP doesn't stop fucking around, I am gonna swim down there myself and take care of business. Shit. This is a big fucking deal.

Posted by: Joe Biden, American at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (uFdnM)

189 201 O/T but if there are any techno geeks who can help me out. The boy just chomped down on my laptop's AC adapter cord and now it's not working. There's no obvious break in the cord. Anyone know of a trick to get it working again. Magic maybe?

If you take a butter knife, hold it above your head, yell out "By the power of Greyskull!", and then touch the cord with the knife, it should work again.

/Seriously, maybe it's broken but the sheath is still intact.  Try cutting open the sheath around where the chomping down occurred and see if the wires are broken.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (c0A3e)

190 Hey, bitches.

If any of you are of the praying variety, the word you're looking for is "Jeff".

Thanks.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (wrL7T)

191 This thread is deader than Erick Erickson's relevancy. 

Posted by: Editor at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (YX6i/)

192 155 Footloose update for ya Kratos.  The guy that played young John Connor in the Sarah Connor Chronicles is set to play the Kevin Bacon role in the remake!

If Summer Glau shows up as the girlfriend, I'm there.

But only if she gets naked and lets John "check her internal power cell" like in the last episode.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 04:08 PM (O95Bs)

193 Snarf-Snarf

Posted by: Snarf at May 29, 2010 04:09 PM (tG1Je)

194 Geezus, you bastards...don't let us a die a painful and awkward death on this thread. Snap out of it! Put us some pron or sumpin'

Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at May 29, 2010 04:10 PM (uFdnM)

195 207 This thread is deader than Erick Erickson's relevancy.

Fuck you.  I'll be soaring back to relevancy with the startling expose on who's funding Barney Frank's back waxes, that I'll be posting sometime later when I feel like it.

Posted by: Erick Erickson at May 29, 2010 04:10 PM (O95Bs)

196 We need some Cup Bloggage!

Posted by: Lord Stanley at May 29, 2010 04:10 PM (tG1Je)

197 Seriously, maybe it's broken but the sheath is still intact.  Try cutting open the sheath around where the chomping down occurred and see if the wires are broken.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 09:07 PM (c0A3e)

Uhmm you may want to unplug it first but that is optional

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 04:10 PM (fwSHf)

198 #213  Uhmm you may want to unplug it first but that is optional

Thanks for the safety tip, robtr.

/Thought that was obvious, but I'll be more clear in the future.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 04:13 PM (c0A3e)

199 /Thought that was obvious, but I'll be more clear in the future.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 09:13 PM (c0A3e)

We're talking morons here Kratos

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 04:15 PM (fwSHf)

200 /Seriously, maybe it's broken but the sheath is still intact.  Try cutting open the sheath around where the chomping down occurred and see if the wires are broken.

Kratos, do we really have to bring up the circumcision topic again?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 04:16 PM (O95Bs)

201 My sheath is intact. Feed me. I like seafood.

Posted by: Waiting for Some Prawn at May 29, 2010 04:17 PM (uFdnM)

202 Ok, the butter knife thing worked. Thanks, Kratos.


(actually worked the kinks out of the cord, unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working)

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 04:17 PM (iBTj9)

203 #216  Kratos, do we really have to bring up the circumcision topic again?

Lord, no!

/Forget I said anything.  Go magick!

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 04:18 PM (c0A3e)

204 (actually worked the kinks out of the cord, unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working)

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 09:17 PM (iBTj9)

So the electrons were blocked by a kink, interesting. Keep a fire extinguisher handy.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 04:19 PM (fwSHf)

205
"Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light."

"Total protonic reversal!"

"Right, that's bad. Okay, important safety tip, thanks Egon."

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 04:19 PM (O95Bs)

206 #218  (actually worked the kinks out of the cord, unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working)

Good. 

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 04:20 PM (c0A3e)

207 Sorry Ace, but Caine has repeatedly put me to sleep in the theater.

The Ipcress file was the first of his films I saw, and it I was fine.

He became somnolent to me when he returned as Harry Palmer in Funeral in Berlin. I not only slept through 2/3 of it, I went back to the theater to give it a second try, and I slept through all but 10 minutes of it.

After that I kept trying, and finally gave up some time in the 90s. I see him now on DVD in short sittings. He's a fine actor in many of his stints, but there must be something about this guy's voice.

I'd be surprised if I'm the only one this happens to, but I may be the only one who admits it.

In the meantime:  Insomniacs -- eat your heart out!

Posted by: Pascal at May 29, 2010 04:21 PM (mE7Cl)

208 "We should vote for the welfare of the country, not for the welfare of the party."

What an interesting concept.  Too bad it will never catch on.

Posted by: GarandFan at May 29, 2010 04:21 PM (6mwMs)

209 You know, I have a 5 month old puppy in the house and I always correct her for chewing on the cord. Never occurred to me to tell the 5 year old not to.

Sigh.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 04:22 PM (iBTj9)

210 Seriously mpur in texas, unless it just wasn't plugged in right it would seem you have a broken wire and when you jiggled it around the two ends are touching again. I would check it out.

Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 04:24 PM (fwSHf)

211 We need some Cup Bloggage!

Posted by: Lord Stanley at May 29, 2010 09:10 PM (tG1Je)

Damn skippy we do.

Posted by: World at May 29, 2010 04:25 PM (1fanL)

212

Sharp-ie!!!!!

Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 04:25 PM (tG1Je)

213 You wing-nuts need to lay off poor ol' Bambi.  Presidentin' is hard.  And it's been hard since 1/20/09.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 29, 2010 04:27 PM (1fanL)

214 Seriously mpur in texas, unless it just wasn't plugged in right it would seem you have a broken wire and when you jiggled it around the two ends are touching again. I would check it out.

I know. I'll go buy a new one when I get a chance. I'm just glad the boy didn't eletrocute himself.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 04:30 PM (iBTj9)

215 Hey, FUBAR. Got any reading done lately? 

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 04:31 PM (iBTj9)

216 Posted by: Michelle Johnson's breasts (when she was 1 at May 29, 2010 08:57 PM (GnoLL)

She was 17, and they were spectacular.

Posted by: davidt at May 29, 2010 04:40 PM (HtIec)

217

That was annoying, and the other actor better (and a fresher face), but he simply refused to do the sequel, so they had no choice.

I don't even think it was a negotiating ploy. I think he just didn't feel like it.

Um I thought that it was Marvels decision.  Because based on his contract the actor that played Rhodey stood to be the highest paid one in the sequel.

225 You know, I have a 5 month old puppy in the house and I always correct her for chewing on the cord. Never occurred to me to tell the 5 year old not to.

Sigh.

Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 09:22 PM (iBTj9)

Cured my Beagle of chewing on cords with a paintbruch and tobasco sauce.

Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 04:59 PM (oVQFe)

218 Does anyone know what in hell that is a picture of on the Drudgereport?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 29, 2010 06:07 PM (ahCAJ)

219 Good movie: "Prince of Persia". Okay, not good, but fun. Better than the first Scorpion King movie.

Posted by: Zimriel at May 29, 2010 06:14 PM (xbjB9)

220 216 Kratos, do we really have to bring up the circumcision topic again?

Seriously, Kratos. This is the ONT. Show some decorum.

(Everyone knows this is the buttsex thread)

Posted by: Zimriel at May 29, 2010 06:17 PM (xbjB9)

221 Oh yeah, it's not the ONT. my mistake.

Posted by: Zimriel at May 29, 2010 06:19 PM (xbjB9)

222 Hate to break Ace's heart, but Caine supported Obama. Recently, I looked it up.

Posted by: moi at May 30, 2010 02:26 PM (Ez4Ql)

223 I blame Bush for Robin Hood sucking so bad.
Maybe Obama can save us all. There's hope that he can change this movie into a real block buster!
*sigh
He's so dreamy!

Posted by: 1idvet at May 30, 2010 02:39 PM (iMyIW)

Posted by: moi at May 30, 2010 03:38 PM (Ez4Ql)

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