October 31, 2007

McCain Poll Claim: I Win Against Hillary In States Where Giuliani Loses
— Ace

...and the claim goes that Giuliani only does better where he's only going to lose less dramatically, in true-blue states like NY and CA.

The McCain boomlet continues.

Posted by: Ace at 10:42 AM | Comments (11)
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1 This is an electibility argument. He's saying to Republicans, "Look, I know I didn't sell you on my positions, but when you get right down to it, you can either pick me or hang."

And that's fine. I plan to vote for the candidate with an (R) by his name on Election Day. But that's not going to convince me to abandon a candidate who has sold me on his positions during the primary. And I'm not alone.

In other words, the argument that McCain beats Clinton in places that Giuliani doesn't is good only if I make my decision about who to vote for in the primaries based solely or substantially on who will perform in the general election. Primary voters who choose based on policy will be unaffected by this strategy.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 31, 2007 11:05 AM (cXskp)

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This is an electibility argument. He's saying to Republicans, "Look, I know I didn't sell you on my positions, but when you get right down to it, you can either pick me or hang."


True, but Rudy has been making the same argument.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2007 11:08 AM (plsiE)

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Ace, you got a mention in the "On Politics" column in USA Today, regarding Hillary's screw-up last night. You are becoming big-time. You must be rolling in cash by now. 


No mention of your ugliness or Jack M.'s beauty.


Posted by: Mikeyslaw at October 31, 2007 11:15 AM (yrptY)

4 Okay, one last time, you flown-over retards.  McCain is the R candidate that you should vote for because the has consistently cooperated with the Democrats to fuck-over both the President, and real conservatives too.  The Senate is a higher calling than your stupid party, and since he is not only the most Democrat-like Republican, but good buddies with Kennedy and Kerry, he is the candidate you Republicans should put forward so as not to embarrass yourselves in our eyes and make us write scathing commentaries about your stupid beliefs.  Don't make us tell you again... when anyone here in NYC is interested in having a conservative candidate in the race, we'll let you know, okay?  Christ, you people are slow.

Posted by: Your Betters in the MSM at October 31, 2007 11:47 AM (fKPuo)

5

the sooner he leaves the race, the better. to my mind, he's absolutley the worst republican candidate, and i'm tempted to include ron paul in that category.


 


let's not forget the lying shit voted for cloture on the comprehensive piece of shit, please, or hamstrung FISA courts, blocked judges, undermined interrogation techniques, tried to strangle freedom of political speech.


the man stood before his country and said the following, with a straight face:


Those undocumented [illegal] workers who declare themselves, [unverifiably] pass [24 hour] criminal background checks, prove their [illegal] employment, pay fines, taxes, learn English and study American civics [such as the rule of law] may be offered eventually, [by which we mean now] and I stress eventually, [again, we mean now,] a path to citizenship. Critics of the bill attack this as amnesty and a special path to citizenship that is denied to lawful immigrants. Both charges are false.[completely true] Amnesty is what we gave in 1986, and it didn't work. It was unconditional forgiveness for breaking our laws. Illegal immigrants broke our laws and they should pay a penalty for doing so. We impose fines, fees and other requirements as punishment. And if the path to citizenship we offer them is 'special,' it is because it is harder, longer and more expensive than the path offered to those immigrants who come here legally. Those [illegal] undocumented workers who attain legal status are not automatically provided a green card [just permanent immunity from removal] and citizenship. The process could take as long as thirteen years, [but won’t] and will cost them thousands of dollars, require them to learn English and understand our laws and culture, return to their country [and come right back] and get in the back of the line - not the front, not the middle, but the back of the line for a green card. That is a fair, practical and humane way of dealing with the problem of twelve million undocumented workers. [From their standpoint, yes, it is.] And if someone objects to it, especially if they are a candidate for President, they should have the responsibility and courage to propose another way [secure the borders]  ... So, I defend with no reservation our proposal to offer the people who harvest our crops, [illegally] tend our gardens, [illegally] work in our restaurants, [illegally] care for our children [not mine]  and clean our homes [hands up everyone who has a housekeeper] a chance to be legal citizens of this country. They will have to earn it. They must come out from the shadows, pay their penalties, fees and taxes, stay employed, obey our laws, [from now on] learn our language and history, [reconquista!] and go to the back of the line and wait years for the privilege of being an American."


 


(some editorial comments.)


it's not just a difference of opinion. the man lied, over and over and over and over, knowingly, to this country, in the service of ConAgra and Tyson, et al. Ok. Mostly just mischaracterized and elided. But how many of the staggering half-truths contained in the single speech above do you have to pile onto each other before they amount to lies? How many speeches like this did he give? How many times did he willfully mislead the American public? And why?


I respect and appreciate his heroic service to his country. But even war heroes can go bad. The man's become an embarrasment.


Posted by: jdub at October 31, 2007 11:55 AM (0t6Ct)

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...and the claim goes that Giuliani only does better where he's only going to lose less dramatically, in true blue states like CA and NY.


I've actually been saying this for a while, and I totally believe it's true, although I believe that means that the correct choice is Fred!, not McCain..


Look at it this way.  Rasmussen polling (and they've got the best accuracy record going, along with Mason Dixon) showed that in a direct matchup with Hillary Clinton, Rudy wins by 46 to 44, while Fred loses by 47 to 45.


Which would suggest Rudy's more electable... but come on, think about it... do you -really- think that single 1% improvement Rudy gets over Fred's vote -doesn't- come from NY and CA?  I bet in fact that Rudy does a good 10-15% better in those states than Fred... but Rudy's -still- going to come in 2nd place there, meaning those votes are worthless.  Fred does better everywhere else, and in places he can actually win.  McCain, meanwhile, isn't on the map at all.


Qwinn


Posted by: Qwinn at October 31, 2007 12:39 PM (/FDfc)

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I respect and appreciate his heroic service to his country. But even war heroes can go bad.


Ain't that the truth.


Posted by: Randy Cunningham at October 31, 2007 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

8 McCain is a fuckin' miracle, though. He was out of cash, when, in August? His ratings were in the fractions, too. I used to think very highly of McCain but, #4-#6 are on the money. He's lost his soul on the way to getting nominated. He's damaged goods. What a shame. He had such potential.

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Posted by: wyuguy at December 03, 2010 05:51 AM (whbs0)

11 I respect and appreciate his heroic service to his country. But even war heroes can go bad. The man's become an embarrasment.

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