October 31, 2007

Matt Welch: Ron Rosenbaum's Rumor Rumor Is A Pile of Crap
— Ace

I asked Patterico if he could ask his LAT connections about the rumor, and he got editor Matt Welch on the record saying, basically, it's total bullshit.

I might chalk that up to a typical denial but he seems pretty emphatic. Unless he's just a brazen liar, it does seem he hasn't heard of this rumor that "everyone knows about" and he is not at the moment wrestling with his conscience about printing something or other.

Ah, well.

Back in 1993 I met a guy who had just gone to work in Clinton's, or rather Lloyd Bentsen's, Treasury Department. Democrat type guy, obviously. He'd been in DC four or five months tops. He told everyone gathered that "everyone knew" that Hillary was a lesbian; it was "common knowledge."

But how could "everyone know," I asked.

Everyone just knows, he said.

How? I asked.

Well, everyone says, he modified.

So I don't know. I've heard "everyone knows" from people "in the know" for 14 years.

Posted by: Ace at 06:45 PM | Comments (41)
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1 You're saying that a whole day of gossiping, rumor-mongering, and speculation has turned out to be a waste? Who could have guessed?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 31, 2007 06:53 PM (1Ug6U)

2 Matt is a friend of mine and a very honest and reliable journalist. His ethics are impeccable. That doesn't necessarily mean he is correct, but you can certainly trust him to tell the truth as he sees it.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at October 31, 2007 06:56 PM (aGgiH)

3 Print The Legend.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 31, 2007 07:05 PM (AZziM)

4 The rumors are true.  Bill Clinton touched me.


Posted by: Mitsey the Puppet at October 31, 2007 07:07 PM (PDeVA)

5 I'm  pretty sure Hillary Clinton is hitting the hot Muslim chick.  That's so haram. 

Posted by: Mohammed Jihad Shahid Tahweed Megahed at October 31, 2007 07:12 PM (sOtz/)

6 Yes Michael but how would he "know?"

That sort of thing (Larry Craig, etc.) is discernible from direct eyeball experience at parties and social events where personal behavior can be observed. Is Matt the guy who would be invited to various parties over the years where Hillary would be in attendance? No. That's reserved for Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews, etc.

If anyone knew, they certainly would not tell Matt. He's not part of the power circle. Everyone "knew" Clinton was fooling around, and despite the "see it with your own eyes" evidence the press sat on it until Drudge FORCED their hand.

How would Huma Abedin afford on a COS salary her apartment and designer clothes? If as reported her father died when she was 17 and her mother is a "renowned professor" in Saudi Arabia, that does not scream family money to me. Since her mother is reported to be a Pakistani national. How she functions as a "renowned Professor" is beyond me given what is known about Saudi attitudes towards women and foreign nationals. Obviously the money must come from SOMEWHERE. Expensive apartments and designer clothes cost considerable amounts of money.

NY Observer article here: www.observer.com/node/37040

Both Dick Morris and Gennifer Flowers wrote in their books that Hillary was a lesbian. I'll note that libel laws allow Hillary to sue, and she has declined in both cases. THAT is interesting. As is the sudden media coverage that is negative on Hillary's debate performance.

Further, is this line of inquiry reasonable? Yes. Voters are asked to put one person in charge of the nations national security. Questions of priorities, loyalties, conflicts of interest apply to bed-partners as well as political backers. It is not only reasonable but necessary to cover this issue. Certainly Fred or Rudy will be questioned about their spouses roles, and Rudy about his various questionable choices of subordinates (Bernie Kerik for example).

Who is Hillary's most senior aide who appears to be her Karl Rove? THAT certainly is a question worth asking.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at October 31, 2007 07:19 PM (4878o)

7 Ace,

Um, Luke Ford has got your back.

Just sayin'.


And Michael Totten,


You have walked the walk.


Really, really.

I don't always agree with you but your work has been Amazing.


And Ace,

About the "everyone knows" thingy, I had a colleague who taught at a SoCal law school and she, herself was a bit of a politico...


In 1998 she told me "everyone knows" and that when certain famous ladies came to LA there was much goings-on.

Just sayin', again.

Of course it is all hearsay and I am making no claims.

And, again.

Posted by: MTT at October 31, 2007 07:25 PM (1xjmZ)

8 Matt has always impressed me as a stand-up, straightforward guy.  I can't imagine that he would call b.s. if he didn't honestly think it so.

Posted by: SWLiP at October 31, 2007 07:27 PM (PqwKs)

9 If Welch is a liar now, he caught it from exposure to writers at the Times. He wasn't one before. I've never been much of a fan, but he's not your typical print shitbag.

I'd be glad if Rosenbaum's story was a total crock, if only because I
already said I think it is, but the new "hot Muslim chick" angle has me
conflicted. Since people recently suddenly stopped thinking Sarah
Silverman is hot (what the hell happened?), telling them my girlfriend
looks like her doesn't impress them anymore. But she kinda looks like
Hillary's lady, too, so if the story comes out, for a while, mentioning
that resemblance will bring Dude, score! and his buddy Dude, you weren't lying! Score! back into my life

I miss those guys.

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at October 31, 2007 07:30 PM (k5JzA)


There's hot lesbo action alleged, or substantially hot, and a real professional journalist would be getting to the bottom of this story.  Pull someone off Posh Spice or Britney Spears.  Your best people pronto!   

Posted by: Chip at October 31, 2007 07:49 PM (sOtz/)

11 There is no way to prove that Hill did NOT sleep with the H.I.C. (Hot-ass Islamic Chick). Cannot prove a negative. Either substantiate the rumor or we have to drop it.

And while it is a blast, I'm not putting my, eh, somewhat tarnished but still somewhat legible name, to saying that Hill is box-sitting said HIC.

Honestly, how the hell do you go about PROVING that? Used THE CONQUERORtm 12 lb dildos? A video of Hill scissoring said HIC while sandwiched between a sherpa, a llama and a midget?

I mean, making sweet, sweet whoopee with Hill has got to be like banging Stephen Hawking with less hip action. Can you imagine the dirty talk? <through synthesyzer> "Oh. Yeah. You know. what. I. am. doing. ? I've. got. my. finger. up your. tail pipe."  "Great, Hill, now get it out!"

Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 07:55 PM (PkR83)

Welch and Rosenbaum should fight it out. The winner in 10 rounds we believe.

Posted by: aoshq janitor at October 31, 2007 08:01 PM (yjLO4)

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Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2007 08:33 PM (1kwK7)

14 Oh, I love it when trolls show fake indignation.

Posted by: Slublog at October 31, 2007 07:02 PM (XpXYZ)

Fake indignation? Just tired of the 24 hour news cycle horseshatte story of the week/day/hour/minute.


You could live blog this non-event from a very important convention center !

Posted by: 13times at October 31, 2007 08:33 PM (hMEcC)

15 I see our trolls are no longer even bothering to respond in the correct thread.

Posted by: AD at October 31, 2007 08:42 PM (B8Zms)

16 Fake indignation? Just tired of the 24 hour news cycle horseshatte story of the week/day/hour/minute.

Me too. I hate the gay pron sites which I am ALWAYS surfing. Why won't they stop coming up whenever I click my bookmarks? I must see like 30-40 dudes-on-dudes scenes a day, and it frustrates the hell out of me whenever I find my pants slipping down to my ankles. I figure its my wide-stance which is hell on my belt, but my friends tell me to stop surfing gay pron.

Stop surfing the interwebs? I mean, can't the man-boy-love sites get my fatigue of their huge cocks-and-balls and start showing split-tail for once? It's like whenever I go out, all of these homos keep sucking my cock. Can't they tell I'm so pissed off at them for always sucking my cock?

One of these days, 13times, I'm going to really let them have it and they'll know that I'm really pissed off at them for putting the gay sites on my browser and always sucking my cock. But until then, I'm going to have to keep surfing and voicing my discontent. One day, those cocksuckers will reform. We--you and I--are gonna just have to be vigilant.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 08:47 PM (PkR83)

17 to tell the truth as he sees it.

"Sees it" is "a" hook again. Hate to say.

Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 31, 2007 09:21 PM (ryO1F)

18 I see our trolls are no longer even bothering to respond in the correct thread.

Much like Beauchamp. Birds. Feathers.

Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 31, 2007 09:24 PM (ryO1F)

19 Well I enjoy Patterico's work, but I have to call bullshit on one factoid he related:

"He is honest, smart, and plugged in — and he is definitely not part of the stuffy liberal old guard at the paper. (For example, he recently published a great book about John McCain which ridicules the myth that McCain is a straight-talking maverick.)"

I can hardly believe Patterico is unaware of the fact that now that McCain is running for President, its open season. He's no longer the press darling he was when he was knocking President Bush and all things Republican. If anything, that little blurb puts Mr. Matt Welch square in the middle of "stuffy liberal old guard", running interference for the Democrat and trying to damage Republicans, just like a hip, progressive young liberal media types do.

Posted by: docweasel at October 31, 2007 09:28 PM (ACIZZ)

20 Jim Rockford: <i>Yes Michael but how would he "know?"</i>

He might <i>not</i> know. I'm a journalist and I don't have a freaking clue. (I cover a different subject, though, so I guess I shouldn't be expected to have a clue.)

My point is that he's honest and not pretending not to know.

Posted by: Michael J. Totten at October 31, 2007 10:20 PM (aGgiH)



Aren't you the guy who believes that "all rumors are basically true"?

Posted by: See-Dubya at October 31, 2007 10:40 PM (drTeV)

22 Yes, I'm sure he's honest, the MSM is fileld with honest people just trying to backstab and quisling their way up the corporate ladder for more fame and money. they're just trying to make a living. If he is this honest, he should dispense with that pronto, if ever plans on getting anywhere.

I am also sure that Mr. Welch would never, ever, let the political party of a person who may have a scandalous history color the decision to go to press.

That's never, ever happened before.

Gosh, the MSM is just so trustworthy, only in an Eddie Haskell sort of way.

"Golly Mrs. Cleaver, you look wonderful today."

Posted by: E Buzz Miller at October 31, 2007 11:22 PM (v/XJX)


I speculated (details at LGF, post #393) that Huma Abedin is the subject, not Hillary.

Perhaps The Deciders at The LA Times postulate that since Huma Abedin is not Hillary, Hillary (a current US Senator and potentially the next President of the US) should not suffer due to any potential links between Huma Abedin and the Saudis / Wahabism.

Not as interesting as the previously-discussed alternatives, but a bit more relevant to our lives.

Posted by: Arbalest at October 31, 2007 11:24 PM (agXjU)

24 I don't know anything about Matt Welch. For all I know, Patterico is totally correct about being "smart, honest and plugged in", but he still belongs to the media establishment that spiked the Monica Lewinsky affair. And he works for the paper that missed, buried or ignored the Antonio Villaraigosa story and were scooped by a local blog.

In other words, I don't care how honest the guy is or how many respected people vouch for him, he's not omniscient, and his paper has a pretty poor record for truth and accuracy.

Hell, I'm waiting for one of the editors over there to correct Rutten's story of this week. Since he's so 'plugged in' why doesn't one of his buddies email him and point out how fulluvit his columnists are.

Posted by: docweasel at November 01, 2007 12:39 AM (ACIZZ)

25 "Everyone" is "they."

Posted by: electron john at November 01, 2007 12:52 AM (ZvbcI)


Guys, Matt Welch is relatively fresh blood at the LA Times, having only taken up his post within the last couple of years.  He was previously a writer/editor at the libertarian Reason magazine (during the Virginia Postrel era).  I knew him (or knew of him) some fifteen years ago when he wrote for an English-language weekly in Prague.  His writing was always witty and informative, without the sort of liberal ad hominem crap that you get from the current crop of ex-pat journalists in Europe and elsewhere.

In other words, he may now be a member of the MSM.  But he came to it as an outsider; as a maverick, one might say.

Posted by: SWLiP at November 01, 2007 03:52 AM (PqwKs)

27 As Heinlein said, there are certain code-words that let you know when something is BS, "Everybody knows" is one of the bets indicators that it's crap.

Posted by: Veeshir at November 01, 2007 05:25 AM (zXUuJ)

28 I've heard the same thing from people who would have reason to know for a long time too. So this wouldn't be new, and wouldn't be an insurrmountable scandal anyway. The 50% of folks who would consider voting for Hillary! wouldn't be turned off by her finally coming out of the closet.

If I had married Bill Clinton I might be a lesbian by now too. The guy is ugly and gross.

Posted by: funky chicken at November 01, 2007 05:43 AM (I+jPP)

29 Is Matt the guy who would be invited to various parties over the years where Hillary would be in attendance? No. That's reserved for Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews, etc.

Note to staff: Re: Tim Russert. That son of a bitch better not be on any guest lists or it's your ass!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 01, 2007 05:47 AM (Ds4I5)


Conspiracy theories are fun!  First we have the known philanerer Paul Wolfowitz bowled over by one Shaha Riza, and now we have the known lesbian philanderer Hillary! bowled over by the lovely Huma.

It does kinda ruin the plot line that Huma went to work for Hillary 10 years ago or so.

Hey, when have facts ever stood in the way of a hot conspiracy theory!

Posted by: funky chicken at November 01, 2007 05:52 AM (I+jPP)

31 To add more crap to the pile, I encountered an "everybody knows" story about Hillary through a different source.  A close friend I grew up with worked in the Bush 41 white house.  Being young and hot, the secret service guys happily struck up a friendship with her, which continued after the Clinton's took office.  About a year after Bill took office, she told me that her secret service buddies confessed to her over late night beers that Hillary was a sister of Sappho.  Absent pictures (ugh), video (shoot me now), or the confession of a Hillary love bunny, that seemed to me to be about as close as you could get to a confirmation.

Now let's move on.  Lesbian talk is only fun when they're hot, young, and willing to consider inviting a third participant (usually delivering pizza) from the other team. 

Posted by: Texax Cheesehead at November 01, 2007 05:54 AM (QjQyX)

32 As intriguing as this Hillary Huma story is, didn't Rosenbaum say this sex scandal was 20 years ago?  That would have made Huma a fetus. I don't even think Democrats stoop to that.

Posted by: Lisa at November 01, 2007 06:25 AM (hqHA+)

33 Some here have wondered how a hot chick could take up with a fugly spinster.  Power can be a potent aphrodisiac.

Posted by: Bob1 at November 01, 2007 01:40 PM (WM97I)

34 In a related story, Huma Abedin has been diagnosed with hypothermia of the tongue.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at November 01, 2007 05:05 PM (O2myh)

35 You might be interested in this story:

Is Huma Abedin an Agent of Saudi Intelligence?



Posted by: Lucius Vorenus at November 01, 2007 09:05 PM (fipFD)

36 Lucious that is the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard Hillary's squeeze was a Muslim. Of course Dems don't believe in the war on terror so there is nothing to worry about right?

Posted by: Lisa at November 04, 2007 06:57 AM (hqHA+)

37 Well, I guess Matt Welch was proved to be full of shit after all, as I had guessed, since the McCain story has been around since before the Rosenbaum teaser.

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