October 31, 2007
— Ace I asked Patterico if he could ask his LAT connections about the rumor, and he got editor Matt Welch on the record saying, basically, it's total bullshit.
I might chalk that up to a typical denial but he seems pretty emphatic. Unless he's just a brazen liar, it does seem he hasn't heard of this rumor that "everyone knows about" and he is not at the moment wrestling with his conscience about printing something or other.
Back in 1993 I met a guy who had just gone to work in Clinton's, or rather Lloyd Bentsen's, Treasury Department. Democrat type guy, obviously. He'd been in DC four or five months tops. He told everyone gathered that "everyone knew" that Hillary was a lesbian; it was "common knowledge."
But how could "everyone know," I asked.
Everyone just knows, he said.
How? I asked.
Well, everyone says, he modified.
So I don't know. I've heard "everyone knows" from people "in the know" for 14 years.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 31, 2007 06:53 PM (1Ug6U)
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at October 31, 2007 06:56 PM (aGgiH)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 31, 2007 07:05 PM (AZziM)
Posted by: Mitsey the Puppet at October 31, 2007 07:07 PM (PDeVA)
Posted by: Mohammed Jihad Shahid Tahweed Megahed at October 31, 2007 07:12 PM (sOtz/)
That sort of thing (Larry Craig, etc.) is discernible from direct eyeball experience at parties and social events where personal behavior can be observed. Is Matt the guy who would be invited to various parties over the years where Hillary would be in attendance? No. That's reserved for Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Matthews, etc.
If anyone knew, they certainly would not tell Matt. He's not part of the power circle. Everyone "knew" Clinton was fooling around, and despite the "see it with your own eyes" evidence the press sat on it until Drudge FORCED their hand.
How would Huma Abedin afford on a COS salary her apartment and designer clothes? If as reported her father died when she was 17 and her mother is a "renowned professor" in Saudi Arabia, that does not scream family money to me. Since her mother is reported to be a Pakistani national. How she functions as a "renowned Professor" is beyond me given what is known about Saudi attitudes towards women and foreign nationals. Obviously the money must come from SOMEWHERE. Expensive apartments and designer clothes cost considerable amounts of money.
NY Observer article here: www.observer.com/node/37040
Both Dick Morris and Gennifer Flowers wrote in their books that Hillary was a lesbian. I'll note that libel laws allow Hillary to sue, and she has declined in both cases. THAT is interesting. As is the sudden media coverage that is negative on Hillary's debate performance.
Further, is this line of inquiry reasonable? Yes. Voters are asked to put one person in charge of the nations national security. Questions of priorities, loyalties, conflicts of interest apply to bed-partners as well as political backers. It is not only reasonable but necessary to cover this issue. Certainly Fred or Rudy will be questioned about their spouses roles, and Rudy about his various questionable choices of subordinates (Bernie Kerik for example).
Who is Hillary's most senior aide who appears to be her Karl Rove? THAT certainly is a question worth asking.
Posted by: Jim Rockford at October 31, 2007 07:19 PM (4878o)
Um, Luke Ford has got your back.
And Michael Totten,
You have walked the walk.
I don't always agree with you but your work has been Amazing.
About the "everyone knows" thingy, I had a colleague who taught at a SoCal law school and she, herself was a bit of a politico...
In 1998 she told me "everyone knows" and that when certain famous ladies came to LA there was much goings-on.
Just sayin', again.
Of course it is all hearsay and I am making no claims.
Posted by: MTT at October 31, 2007 07:25 PM (1xjmZ)
Posted by: SWLiP at October 31, 2007 07:27 PM (PqwKs)
I'd be glad if Rosenbaum's story was a total crock, if only because I
already said I think it is, but the new "hot Muslim chick" angle has me
conflicted. Since people recently suddenly stopped thinking Sarah
Silverman is hot (what the hell happened?), telling them my girlfriend
looks like her doesn't impress them anymore. But she kinda looks like
Hillary's lady, too, so if the story comes out, for a while, mentioning
that resemblance will bring Dude, score! and his buddy Dude, you weren't lying! Score! back into my life
I miss those guys.
Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at October 31, 2007 07:30 PM (k5JzA)
There's hot lesbo action alleged, or substantially hot, and a real professional journalist would be getting to the bottom of this story. Pull someone off Posh Spice or Britney Spears. Your best people pronto!
Posted by: Chip at October 31, 2007 07:49 PM (sOtz/)
And while it is a blast, I'm not putting my, eh, somewhat tarnished but still somewhat legible name, to saying that Hill is box-sitting said HIC.
Honestly, how the hell do you go about PROVING that? Used THE CONQUERORtm 12 lb dildos? A video of Hill scissoring said HIC while sandwiched between a sherpa, a llama and a midget?
I mean, making sweet, sweet whoopee with Hill has got to be like banging Stephen Hawking with less hip action. Can you imagine the dirty talk? <through synthesyzer> "Oh. Yeah. You know. what. I. am. doing. ? I've. got. my. finger. up your. tail pipe." "Great, Hill, now get it out!"
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 07:55 PM (PkR83)
Welch and Rosenbaum should fight it out. The winner in 10 rounds we believe.
Posted by: aoshq janitor at October 31, 2007 08:01 PM (yjLO4)
State Rep. Richard Curtis, a Republican from the Vancouver, Wash., area, met Cody Castagna
at Hollywood Erotic Boutique on East Sprague Avenue at 12:45 a.m.
Friday before the two went to Curtis’ room at the Davenport Tower in
downtown Spokane, the documents say. Castagna told investigators Curtis agreed to pay him $1,000 for sex, the documents allege.
No criminal charges have been filed in the case. Castagna, 26, has been questioned by police but not arrested.
Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2007 08:33 PM (1kwK7)
Posted by: Slublog at October 31, 2007 07:02 PM (XpXYZ)
Fake indignation? Just tired of the 24 hour news cycle horseshatte story of the week/day/hour/minute.
You could live blog this non-event from a very important convention center !
Posted by: 13times at October 31, 2007 08:33 PM (hMEcC)
Posted by: AD at October 31, 2007 08:42 PM (B8Zms)
Me too. I hate the gay pron sites which I am ALWAYS surfing. Why won't they stop coming up whenever I click my bookmarks? I must see like 30-40 dudes-on-dudes scenes a day, and it frustrates the hell out of me whenever I find my pants slipping down to my ankles. I figure its my wide-stance which is hell on my belt, but my friends tell me to stop surfing gay pron.
Stop surfing the interwebs? I mean, can't the man-boy-love sites get my fatigue of their huge cocks-and-balls and start showing split-tail for once? It's like whenever I go out, all of these homos keep sucking my cock. Can't they tell I'm so pissed off at them for always sucking my cock?
One of these days, 13times, I'm going to really let them have it and they'll know that I'm really pissed off at them for putting the gay sites on my browser and always sucking my cock. But until then, I'm going to have to keep surfing and voicing my discontent. One day, those cocksuckers will reform. We--you and I--are gonna just have to be vigilant.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 08:47 PM (PkR83)
"Sees it" is "a" hook again. Hate to say.
Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 31, 2007 09:21 PM (ryO1F)
Much like Beauchamp. Birds. Feathers.
Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 31, 2007 09:24 PM (ryO1F)
"He is honest, smart, and plugged in — and he is definitely not part of the stuffy liberal old guard at the paper. (For example, he recently published a great book about John McCain which ridicules the myth that McCain is a straight-talking maverick.)"
I can hardly believe Patterico is unaware of the fact that now that McCain is running for President, its open season. He's no longer the press darling he was when he was knocking President Bush and all things Republican. If anything, that little blurb puts Mr. Matt Welch square in the middle of "stuffy liberal old guard", running interference for the Democrat and trying to damage Republicans, just like a hip, progressive young liberal media types do.
Posted by: docweasel at October 31, 2007 09:28 PM (ACIZZ)
He might <i>not</i> know. I'm a journalist and I don't have a freaking clue. (I cover a different subject, though, so I guess I shouldn't be expected to have a clue.)
My point is that he's honest and not pretending not to know.
Posted by: Michael J. Totten at October 31, 2007 10:20 PM (aGgiH)
Aren't you the guy who believes that "all rumors are basically true"?
Posted by: See-Dubya at October 31, 2007 10:40 PM (drTeV)
I am also sure that Mr. Welch would never, ever, let the political party of a person who may have a scandalous history color the decision to go to press.
That's never, ever happened before.
Gosh, the MSM is just so trustworthy, only in an Eddie Haskell sort of way.
"Golly Mrs. Cleaver, you look wonderful today."
Posted by: E Buzz Miller at October 31, 2007 11:22 PM (v/XJX)
I speculated (details at LGF, post #393) that Huma Abedin is the subject, not Hillary.
Perhaps The Deciders at The LA Times postulate that since Huma Abedin is not Hillary, Hillary (a current US Senator and potentially the next President of the US) should not suffer due to any potential links between Huma Abedin and the Saudis / Wahabism.
Not as interesting as the previously-discussed alternatives, but a bit more relevant to our lives.
Posted by: Arbalest at October 31, 2007 11:24 PM (agXjU)
In other words, I don't care how honest the guy is or how many respected people vouch for him, he's not omniscient, and his paper has a pretty poor record for truth and accuracy.
Hell, I'm waiting for one of the editors over there to correct Rutten's story of this week. Since he's so 'plugged in' why doesn't one of his buddies email him and point out how fulluvit his columnists are.
Posted by: docweasel at November 01, 2007 12:39 AM (ACIZZ)
Posted by: electron john at November 01, 2007 12:52 AM (ZvbcI)
Guys, Matt Welch is relatively fresh blood at the LA Times, having only taken up his post within the last couple of years. He was previously a writer/editor at the libertarian Reason magazine (during the Virginia Postrel era). I knew him (or knew of him) some fifteen years ago when he wrote for an English-language weekly in Prague. His writing was always witty and informative, without the sort of liberal ad hominem crap that you get from the current crop of ex-pat journalists in Europe and elsewhere.
In other words, he may now be a member of the MSM. But he came to it as an outsider; as a maverick, one might say.
Posted by: SWLiP at November 01, 2007 03:52 AM (PqwKs)
Posted by: Veeshir at November 01, 2007 05:25 AM (zXUuJ)
If I had married Bill Clinton I might be a lesbian by now too. The guy is ugly and gross.
Posted by: funky chicken at November 01, 2007 05:43 AM (I+jPP)
Note to staff: Re: Tim Russert. That son of a bitch better not be on any guest lists or it's your ass!
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 01, 2007 05:47 AM (Ds4I5)
Conspiracy theories are fun! First we have the known philanerer Paul Wolfowitz bowled over by one Shaha Riza, and now we have the known lesbian philanderer Hillary! bowled over by the lovely Huma.
It does kinda ruin the plot line that Huma went to work for Hillary 10 years ago or so.
Hey, when have facts ever stood in the way of a hot conspiracy theory!
Posted by: funky chicken at November 01, 2007 05:52 AM (I+jPP)
Now let's move on. Lesbian talk is only fun when they're hot, young, and willing to consider inviting a third participant (usually delivering pizza) from the other team.
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Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at November 01, 2007 05:05 PM (O2myh)
Is Huma Abedin an Agent of Saudi Intelligence?
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