June 28, 2011

Massive Taliban Attack on Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul
— Ace

Breaking. A swarm of vermin laden with suicide vests.

Why target the hotel? Multiple possible reasons. One: As noted by CNN, there’s a presser scheduled there tomorrow to announce a handover of security duties from NATO to the Afghan army. Preempting that by running wild in the hotel carries symbolic value. Two: It’s a soft target in Kabul, Karzai’s stronghold, not a military outpost in some far-flung eastern or southern province. That’s a message to NATO commanders that the battlefield this year might be a lot bigger than they think. And three, obviously: They want to capitalize on Obama’s withdrawal announcement to show that not only haven’t they been defeated, they’re still strong enough to wreak havoc right under NATO’s nose in a supposedly heavily guarded tourist spot. Just as I’m writing this, NBC’s claiming that three attackers have blown themselves up; no word on where the other three are or how many people in the hotel are dead. Stand by for updates.

Also, the Intercontinental chain is a brand name. They like going after things with brand names.

Posted by: Ace at 11:23 AM | Comments (114)
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1
hmm

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2011 11:24 AM (QMtmy)

2 f those mfers

Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (6YQOx)

3
how 'bout those peace talks with the Taliban emissaries, eh?

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:25 AM (G/zuv)

4 Those peaceful muzztards. They just wanted to use the pool.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (NtTkA)

5 Obama didn't get a chance to talk to them?

Posted by: dagny at June 28, 2011 11:26 AM (+mBeR)

6 Send in the Priceline Negotiator!

Posted by: ASK-21 at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (opjv+)

7 Intercontinental chain is a brand name.

Is the TSA groping of the incontinent grandma connected?  I think so.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (OhYCU)

8 Can't those Christian missionaries leave well enough alone?

Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2011 11:27 AM (FcR7P)

9 Anyway to convince all of them to put on a suicide vest? All at once?

Posted by: dagny at June 28, 2011 11:28 AM (+mBeR)

10 This has the Rotarians' fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:28 AM (UOM48)

11 Send in the Priceline Negotiator!

Better than a Carter Peace Mission.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2011 11:29 AM (QMtmy)

12 Everyone, relax.  Obama ignored his military advisors on Afghanistan and used his instincts instead.  Everything will be just fine.  /

Posted by: joejm65 at June 28, 2011 11:30 AM (UZuc4)

13 But, but....President Peace Prize told us Islam is the Religion of Peace or something....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:31 AM (UOM48)

14 Gutsy Call

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 11:31 AM (GTbGH)

15
yeah, that reminds me...

where are...


The Elders?

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:31 AM (G/zuv)

16 Obama's Plan:

1.  Declare victory

2. Lose.

3. Profit!!!

Posted by: nickless at June 28, 2011 11:32 AM (MMC8r)

17

If anyone on the planet read the headline and thought, "Those damn Belgians again," they need to immediately get their tubes tied or vasectomies (or both, if they're hermaphroditic*) to prevent more stupidity. 

*Didn't want to leave anyone out.

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (y5VNb)

18 Hmmmm.  If a suicide bomber blows himself up and no one is there does it make a noise?

Posted by: Ago Solvo at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (k8JkR)

19 I don't understand the headline.  I mean, I understand the individual words, and I understand what terror attacks are, but I can't quite grasp the concept of a hotel existing anywhere in Afghanistan.  It's kind of like the Archdiocese of Mecca, or Delicacies of Scottish Cuisine.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 28, 2011 11:33 AM (xy9wk)

20 Actually my first thought was SEIU

Posted by: Cherry π at June 28, 2011 11:34 AM (OhYCU)

21
yeah, just peeped that milker's pic again

I see cleavage. She looks good.

Buxom, even.

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:34 AM (G/zuv)

22
some reports say she's 30, others say 33

all I care about is her 38's

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:35 AM (G/zuv)

23 The Indians say the Pakis sponsored the Mumbai attack. Is this Mumbai part II and are the Pakis involved?

Posted by: joncelli at June 28, 2011 11:36 AM (RD7QR)

24

NBC’s claiming that three attackers have blown themselves up

 

There's a bright side to this.  The muzzie hotel chefs won't have any problem finding meat products for the evening buffet.

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 11:36 AM (FQaVj)

25 I can't quite grasp the concept of a hotel existing anywhere in Afghanistan. Remember Bin Laden's million-dollar estate in Pakistan?

Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2011 11:36 AM (FcR7P)

26
what's this about spam comments?

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:37 AM (G/zuv)

27 Pull our troops out and nuke the country from orbit.  And throw in Pokeeston while we're at it.

I'm sick of these animals. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:37 AM (UOM48)

28 The Taliban sells franchises, too.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 11:37 AM (lpWVn)

29 This kinda makes the zerO look stupid I would say.

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 28, 2011 11:38 AM (+qHxi)

30

It never stops, does it?  I keep thinking things can't get crazier.  I am incredibly naive, aren't I?

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (y5VNb)

31 Could we say this a gut punch for Barry?

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (GTbGH)

32 Off Topic, but I caught this great thing off of Drudge, Obama minion claims that Booosshh offered more regulatory burden than obama. http://5z8.info/rickroll_f3t5bv_racist Even though I thought that Booooossshhhhhhh killed the economy with his reckless lack of regulations. Man, that socialist memory hole must be getting stuffed with daily and hourly lies emanating from Obama's alleged brain.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (QxSug)

33

They must have missed the Cairo speech.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (QKKT0)

34

Is there anyway we can convince the suicide bombers to give us enough advance notice that we can send all our liberal politicians there BEFORE they blow the place up????

 

Posted by: MrObvious at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (H87Hu)

35 O/T  I checked out the news after being out most of the day, and see where a huge fire is approaching Los Alamos.

Jeebus. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:39 AM (UOM48)

36
btw, the title of this post should be:

Massive Taliban Attack on Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul, Otherwise Known As Tuesday

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (G/zuv)

37  This kinda makes the zerO look stupid I would say.

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 28, 2011 04:38 PM (+qHxi)

 

Just this?

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (FQaVj)

38 Jane D'Oh!  -- I mostly lurk but wanted you to know your son's been in my prayers.  My nephew came back safe from Iraq a couple of years ago and I pray your son will come home safe soon, too.

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (y5VNb)

39

So, where does the sound of a moderate muslim detonating a suicide vest fall on Obama's list of Beautiful sounds?

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2011 11:40 AM (Ka1c5)

40 Biblio, thanks.  He's going to Shitcanistan this winter. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (UOM48)

41 Damn muzzie facial hair keeps clogging up the drain in the pool.  Not to mention the goat shit floating everywhere.

Posted by: Cicero at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (QKKT0)

42 on topic, maybe it's time to send Sheriff Joe into town to clean this stuff up, eh?? or, I don't know about you, but maybe now's a good time to write a check for $100 million with no questions asked to Iran.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (QxSug)

43 Afghanistan?  #Hacked!

Posted by: Marmo the Greater at June 28, 2011 11:41 AM (InrkQ)

44
Obama minion claims that Booosshh offered more regulatory burden than obama.

Yep. Just like "Bush made us less safe."

And "Obama created or saved millions of jobs."

And "Obama cut taxes."

And "Obama already deported more illegals than Bush."

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (G/zuv)

45 Well, for once my son isn't in country.  He's on mid-deployment leave on his way to Singapore to meet up with my husband. 

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (X6akg)

46 200 ccs of outreach, stat!

Posted by: NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (IdoRk)

47 I'll keep right on praying for him (and all our other men and women in harm's way).

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (y5VNb)

48 Enough of this bullshit. Nuke the fuckers.

Posted by: Armando at June 28, 2011 11:42 AM (nd0uY)

49 We're here for the free breakfast and high speed rail.

Posted by: Head Taliban Guy at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (QKKT0)

50

It never stops, does it?  I keep thinking things can't get crazier.  I am incredibly naive, aren't I?

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 04:39 PM (y5VNb)

 

Oh, I don't think we've seen anything yet.  The crazy is only just beginning.

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (FQaVj)

51 Bush's fault.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 28, 2011 11:43 AM (OhYCU)

52 I sense a great anger over health care.

Posted by: michael bloomberg at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (GTbGH)

53

That country's fucked.

Posted by: No shit at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (e2VMT)

54 I love Cavuto, but WTF? Has Fox even aired this story?

Posted by: Clueless at June 28, 2011 11:44 AM (piMMO)

55

I've been in the InterContinental in Hong Kong.  Those guys are going to get outrageous extra charges on their hotel bill for the damage.

Oh, wait.  I get it now.  It's a feature, not a bug. . .  They don't care. . . because they want to blow up the whole freaking world!!1!11! 

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:45 AM (y5VNb)

56 Take off and nuke the entire site country region from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Ripley at June 28, 2011 11:45 AM (CYoZS)

57 Must have been a rush to the buffett line.

Posted by: Sarcastic Guy at June 28, 2011 11:46 AM (e2VMT)

58 54 I love Cavuto, but WTF? Has Fox even aired this story?

Fox has become the Casey Anthony 24/7 Network.  Sheppy doesn't have his Blago to bat around like a cat toy anymore.  Now his Precious is the Anthony skank.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:46 AM (UOM48)

59 You would think that The Man Who Killed Osama could make short work of the Taliban.

Posted by: t-bird at June 28, 2011 11:47 AM (FcR7P)

60
#towelheads steal hotel towels

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2011 11:47 AM (QMtmy)

61 I've been in the InterContinental in Hong Kong.  Those guys are going to get outrageous extra charges on their hotel bill for the damage.

Hell, I stayed at the one in Atlanta and had to explain on my expense account why breakfast for one was $50. Sure, it was room service but, $50?!

Posted by: Clueless at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (piMMO)

62 Delicacies of Scottish Cuisine.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 28, 2011 04:33 PM (xy9wk)

Hey! Have you ever had a deep fried oreo? That is some good eating. And I am not joking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (LH6ir)

63 I thought suicide bombing was an AQ tactic and not so much a Taliban one.

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 11:48 AM (GTbGH)

64 Gee, it seems almost as if they think that America has suddenly become feckless and weak.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 28, 2011 11:49 AM (T0NGe)

65
meanwhile in Libya...

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:49 AM (G/zuv)

66 35 O/T  I checked out the news after being out most of the day, and see where a huge fire is approaching Los Alamos.

Jeebus. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 04:39 PM (UOM4

 

Silver lining: Probably the best if not only way to keep the information contained therein out of the hands of the Chinese

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (NCw5u)

67 Tourist spot ?? Kabul ?? Surely you jest .

Posted by: germain at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (VSWPU)

68
Just to note without comment, because I don't want to lose my paid-for AoSHQ subscription......the Intercontinental Hotel:Kabul sounds like the type of joint that would house a LOT of journalists.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (8rHXV)

69 62, Add a deep fried twinkie and let those arteries clog.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (NtTkA)

70 The Peaceful Muzzies were understandably upset when they discovered bacon on the breakfast buffet.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (UOM48)

71 Damn Amish missionaries again...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 28, 2011 11:50 AM (c0A3e)

72
everytime I think of Congress I hear the Banana Splits tune


la la la
la lalala
la la la, la la
lalalala

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:51 AM (G/zuv)

73

52 I sense a great anger over health care.

And a lack of a good pension plan.

 

Posted by: SEIU Goon #1138 at June 28, 2011 11:51 AM (O/onO)

74 The last time we spoke with our son, he informed us a couple of his buddies are on the ground in a certain country that's not Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. 

That President Peace Prize is one hell of a war-monger. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:52 AM (UOM48)

75 Nope, no hostilities here...

Posted by: Gutless Caller at June 28, 2011 11:52 AM (FcR7P)

76 Yep, the Taliban are no longer our enemies.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at June 28, 2011 11:52 AM (mHQ7T)

77 Fox has become the Casey Anthony 24/7 Network.  Sheppy doesn't have his Blago to bat around like a cat toy anymore.  Now his Precious is the Anthony skank.

I've been home sick the last couple of days and FNC has, indeed, become all-Casey-all-the-time. I did listen to some of the testimony today and the defense attorney is desperate.

Shep is clearly in the Geraldo bucket on this one.

The coverage of this case has been incredible (not the good kind!). Fucking Geraldo having lunch with the defense attorney. Are you kidding me?

I would love to know how much talking, rather than listening, Geraldo actually did considering he has been opining about the matter every chance he gets. I hope it shows up on You Tube.

The bastard.

Posted by: Clueless at June 28, 2011 11:53 AM (piMMO)

78 Lighten up, wingnutz.  I'm raffling off a chef's tasting event at the WH.

Priorities.  Now leave me alone with my shrimp.

Posted by: President Gutsy Call at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (UOM48)

79

Thanks Barry, we are the weak tribe now.

Pray for all the military that will have to deal with this.  And the civilians who are caught up in the meat grinder.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (Zd0YP)

80

Hell, I stayed at the one in Atlanta and had to explain on my expense account why breakfast for one was $50. Sure, it was room service but, $50?!

But it's the InterContinental.  I wonder what their new advertising tag line will be? 

"We don't profile.  It mostly works."

Too soon?

Posted by: Biblio at June 28, 2011 11:54 AM (y5VNb)

81 Tea Party?

Posted by: Cherry π at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (OhYCU)

82 75 The last time we spoke with our son, he informed us a couple of his buddies are on the ground in a certain country that's not Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. 

That President Peace Prize is one hell of a war-monger. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 04:52 PM (UOM4

Let's be honest, another 50 years from now we'll still have a large contingent of troops in a predominately muslim county with a history of warfare.

But enough about Germany

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (NCw5u)

83
everytime I think of Congress I hear the Banana Splits tune


la la la
la lalala
la la la, la la
lalalala

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 04:51 PM (G/zuv)





More like Entry of the Gladiators or Yakety Sax.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 11:55 AM (8rHXV)

84 joncelli

Bear in mind Reagan's promotion of the good Taliban when looking at the current WTF factors in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The "Taliban" when left to themselves WERE just involved as tribal militia attempting to abort foreign invasion, be it Russian or otherwise.

A couple years ago, someone like Michael Yon did a piece on Pakistan's own problems with the Taliban. So long as the Taliban stayed in their nether region of border mountains with Afghanistan, there wasn't anything realistic that the Pakistani urban police and military, even with the US military, could do to annihilate the Taliban that disappears when pursued. (After all, it wasn't the families scratching a living in the barren mountains who were attacking anyone in or out of their villages. Even now, annihilating an indigenous people is obscene.) As time progressed, given the last decade since Bush began the war in Afghanistan, the Taliban and those who sympathize against the US presence have gained an urban presence that is relatively new in Pakistan. Determining that all of Pakistan should be obliterated because of our problems with them is obscene.

A critic on another thread pointed out that popularity of itself does not determine whether something is either truthful or valid. Thoreau found that popularity is a sure sign of a vulgar corruption.


This insightful observation was made by Henry David Thoreau but has been too little noticed, contemplated, and taken seriously by most.

Thoreau wrote:
"All voting is a sort of gaming, like chequers or backgammon, with a
slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong, with moral
questions; and betting naturally accompanies it. The character of the
voters is not staked. I cast my vote, perchance, as I think right; but I
am not vitally concerned that that right should prevail. I am willing
to leave it to the majority. Its obligation, therefore, never exceeds
that of expediency. Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It
is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A
wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it
to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little
virtue in the action of masses of men. ..."

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 11:56 AM (lpWVn)

85 So I guess the peace talks with the Tolleebon didn't go so well?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 11:56 AM (UOM48)

86 "We don't profile. It mostly works." Indeed, we could expand our services to the hotel industry. Hmm...

Posted by: The TSA at June 28, 2011 11:57 AM (FcR7P)

87 So I guess the peace talks with the Tolleebon didn't go so well?

It's positioning.

Always be closing.

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 11:58 AM (GTbGH)

88 everytime I think of Congress I hear the Banana Splits tune

More like Entry of the Gladiators or Yakety Sax.

We have a greatest hits album? Man, I hope it goes gold!

Posted by: Jivin' Joe Biden at June 28, 2011 11:59 AM (SwkdU)

89
Joe Biden's music is Yakety Sax.


Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 11:59 AM (G/zuv)

90 87 "We don't profile. It mostly works."

Indeed, we could expand our services to the hotel industry. Hmm...

Posted by: The TSA at June 28, 2011 04:57 PM (FcR7P)


Don't forget retirement and nursing homes.  Who knows when some crazed granny or grandpa will blow their diapers up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 12:00 PM (UOM48)

91

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 04:56 PM (lpWVn)

 

 'Thoreau'. 

That's all I had to see.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2011 12:00 PM (Ka1c5)

92
We have a greatest hits album? Man, I hope it goes gold!





I was tempted to put in Mancini's Baby Elephant Walk, but it's kind of badass.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 12:03 PM (8rHXV)

93 Toss in the Charlie Brown song for Barry on that album.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2011 12:04 PM (Zd0YP)

94 Yeah, why do we care about Casey Anthony? I'm sorry a kid died and all, but really...

Posted by: dagny at June 28, 2011 12:05 PM (+mBeR)

95 So, if you're the tollybon why would you attack now instead of waiting until, oh I don't know, say a year when the gringos go home?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 28, 2011 12:05 PM (NCw5u)

96

Don't forget retirement and nursing homes.  Who knows when some crazed granny or grandpa will blow their diapers up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 28, 2011 05:00 PM (UOM4

 

Don't forget the Infant Insurgency.  They're just waiting.  Yes...yes they are. 

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 12:06 PM (FQaVj)

97 Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 04:56 PM (lpWVn) Ummmm, I'm not precisely certain how you got from my comment to yours. My point was that the Pakistanis -- or more specifically, the ISI -- might be recycling tactics in A-stan to make a point or gain revenge for killing Osama.

Posted by: joncelli at June 28, 2011 12:06 PM (RD7QR)

98

Jollyroger, its all about appearing to be strong.  Start with the wickedness now to cower Karzai or any moderate.  Worked well for Lenin against Kerinsky.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2011 12:07 PM (Zd0YP)

99 19 I don't understand the headline. I mean, I understand the individual words, and I understand what terror attacks are, but I can't quite grasp the concept of a hotel existing anywhere in Afghanistan. It's kind of like the Archdiocese of Mecca, or Delicacies of Scottish Cuisine.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 28, 2011 04:33 PM (xy9wk)

Abassador Hotel, Kuwait, 4 Stars, a knife and a Fork, well known for its 4 bars which are some of the only places in the City where you can drink alcohol. Please call for reservations as all the Restraunts and Bars are normally PACKED with Kuwaitis.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2011 12:08 PM (NtXW4)

100 Grrrr... snark fail... it was teh AMBASSADOR Hotel...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 28, 2011 12:08 PM (NtXW4)

101 Don't worry too badly Romeo13, I think we all read typos Lima Charlie by now. 

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2011 12:10 PM (Zd0YP)

102 It'll be interesting to see how Karzai blames this on us.

Posted by: Llarry at June 28, 2011 12:20 PM (SI/pw)

103 I thought suicide bombing was an AQ tactic and not so much a Taliban one.

That was true years ago, but the Taliban adopted suicide bombing in 2003 at the behest of bin Laden. The first suicide bombers were Arabs, Chechens, or Pakistanis, as the tactic was totally alien to the Afghan culture.

Today, Afghans carry out suicide bombings without a qualm. The main reason is the number of Afghan Taliban fighters who went to Iraq to fight the Coalition, were indoctrinated in al Qaeda religious views, and returned to Afghanistan and Pakistan full of suicide-bombing zeal.

Posted by: Llarry at June 28, 2011 12:29 PM (SI/pw)

104

@81: "But it's the InterContinental.  I wonder what their new advertising tag line will be?"

Hotel InterContinental Kabul: It's a blast!  You'll be blown away!   

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at June 28, 2011 12:38 PM (xy9wk)

105 Prayers for our military, and prayers for the innocents in the hotel.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (C7KNt)

106 They fucked me out of my points when I stayed in DC. 

Fuck those Holiday Inn bitches and all their hotels.

Posted by: Mohamed the goat fucker at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (66mOv)

107 The Indians say the Pakis sponsored the Mumbai attack. Is this Mumbai part II and are the Pakis involved? Posted by: joncelli

Pakistan will always be at odds with India. There isn't the same enmity with Afghanistan. So if it were Pakistan attacking the Afghan capital the day before NATO figuratively skips town, it would be in retaliation against the US attacking/invading Pakistan -- tit for tat.

Ummmm, I'm not precisely certain how you got from my comment to yours. My point was that the Pakistanis -- or more specifically, the ISI -- might be recycling tactics in A-stan to make a point or gain revenge for killing Osama. Posted by: joncelli

Yes. But despite what many here post in favor of annihilating Pakistan and Afghanistan, Pakistan is not the Taliban. They are at direct odds with each other as governing forces in their own native regions. The Pakistani government has been at odds with the Taliban since Bush invaded Afghanistan.

And so your idea (along with comments from others) made me think about our aggressive war campaign against the government of Pakistan, for it not having annihilated its mountain tribal populations, failing to effect a Taliban genocide on our behalf before the Taliban influence permeated their cities.  /as if attempted genocide ever successfully annihilates an idea, anyway.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 12:50 PM (lpWVn)

108

@108: "as if attempted genocide ever successfully annihilates an idea, anyway."

You have to admit, it worked pretty well against the Carthaginians and Dacians ideas about challenging us.

Posted by: The Romans at June 28, 2011 01:07 PM (xy9wk)

109 /as if attempted genocide ever successfully annihilates an idea, anyway.

Annihilate an idea translated into winning hearts and minds of our enemies, aka bribes. Still dysfunctional.

Bush wanted to give the Afghans and Iraqis "democracy".
They have it. Majority rules.

If that was the reason for our war, it's done and our redeployed troops should be allowed to come home to stay should they choose, rather than be re-re-re-redeployed to combat in never ending wars for no one knows precisely what legitimate reason.

There's no coercive conversion that doesn't backfire. Why would Americans think that our compassionate war of aggressive "tolerance" abroad has more validity than others' wars, or the Muslim imperative to convert the world to Islam?

We need to function constitutionally when determining what actually "deserves" a US all-out War, get it over with, and come home to rebuild American liberty. No more war mongering on the basis of protecting prestige.


...AND THE PURSUIT OF EUDAIMONIA  (well being)

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 01:14 PM (lpWVn)

110 The Romans at June 28, 2011 06:07 PM

That's slavery, not genocide.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 28, 2011 01:15 PM (lpWVn)

111 It is time to get out of Afghanistan. Why? (1) We are not willing to win the war. Bush, and now Obama (including even many conservatives) are under the impression that we can nation build this country while leaving Islamic ideology, the source of all the problems, intact as the basis for their country. By staying there it is not only costing us lives, but money we don't have. If we are not going to rip the society up by the roots and bring them into the modern world, which means us killing lots of folks, not just the Taliban, we never have victory there like we did in WWII, etc. WE as a people are not willing to do that right now. Lets save the money and the lives of our troops until there comes a day when we are willing and able. (2) We will not bomb and punish Pakistan for basically funding and arming the jihad against us in that Afganistan. (3) The only people we are helping is the Russians and Chinese by building roads, keeping the jihad off their backs, and best of all protecting their interest (like those big mining claims the Chinese have in Afghanistan). We have bigger fish to fry than playing a billion dollar game of whack-a-mole in Afghanistan. China and Russia are using our involvement there to menace and weaken us on our flanks, like Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea, etc, because our troops and money are spread too thin. (4) We killed Osama. We should have dropped some bombs on the Pakistani nuclear operations, etc, called it a day and declare victory. We should have turned this into a purely punitive military operation, but for some idiotic reason we have convinced ourselves that we can turn a Muslim country into a civilized nation....as long as it is a Muslim nation it will not behave civilized for any extended period of time....as long as it is a Muslim country it will not be a victory.

Posted by: minstrelboy at June 28, 2011 02:38 PM (rwioF)

112 "
Hell, I stayed at the one in Atlanta and had to explain on my expense account why breakfast for one was $50. Sure, it was room service but, $50?!

Posted by: Clueless at June 28, 2011 04:48 PM (piMMO)"


LOL.  Yeah, it's a bit of a ripoff, 'eh?  But I love that hotel chain.  The one in Houston is excellent.  Nice leather chair in the room, and a nice bartender on the roof level bar.

Not a good bang for the buck, but if you're going to blow a bunch of cash, it's a good choice.  These days, if I travel, I spend as little time in the actual hotel as possible.  Courtyard or whatever.  But that's a benefit of being in America.

In a place like Kabul, a find hotel is frankly a refuge of civilization sometimes.  I think that's why they attacked this hotel and the one in Mumbai.  They stick out as pleasant, more western refuges, and there's really nothing like them elsewhere in the area.

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