April 28, 2009

"Many Hundreds" Of NYC School Kids May Have Swine Flu
— DrewM

It's still not panic time but this isn't over.

"Many hundreds" of schoolchildren are sick with suspected cases of swine flu, City Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden also said Tuesday.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says two people are hospitalized with suspected swine flu.

...The public school -- a few blocks from a Roman Catholic high school where a swine flu outbreak began last week -- remained open as Health Department workers carried in boxes of supplies used for nose and throat tests. They did not respond to journalists' questions.

Meanwhile, 2 deaths in LA may be swine flu related.

UPDATE: Napolitano is giving a briefing, stand by for details. Important take away...you can't get Swine Flu from pork products. You may eat bacon. Thank God for small favors.

The Ag Secretary wants to change the name from Swine Flu to H1N1. I get the point in trying to protect exports but um, really?

Napolitano made a good point...there are 35,000/flu season. This isn't a regular in season illness but it's useful context.

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1
I wonder if these children are of undetermined citizenship status (UCS).


Posted by: D-ling at April 28, 2009 09:24 AM (5QbWF)

2 Great, just great. First we get the Dust Bowl during the Great Depression and now we get Swine Flu during the Obama Depresson.

I need some pudding.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 09:25 AM (n1yDn)

3

I wonder if these children are of undetermined citizenship status (UCS).

 

I didn't know citzenship status even mattered anymore.


Posted by: Blogluddite at April 28, 2009 09:25 AM (fDWFP)

4 (My first Ace post!!) anyone a wee bit freaked out that those two deaths in LA were younger adults with supposedly good immune systems? Isn't that typically who succumbs to the really worst epidemics? That bothers me. OK, carry on.

Posted by: Diane at April 28, 2009 09:26 AM (r/w1Z)

5 I wonder if these children are of undetermined citizenship status (UCS).

Actually, without getting into the whole illegal immigration debate thing, that would be very useful to know.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 09:26 AM (n1yDn)

6 (My first Ace post!!)

We call that an Oops.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 09:27 AM (n1yDn)

7 I just heard a sound bite of a guy with a very funny but useful phrase " ;">paws and jaws".  It was his little phrase to remind yourself to wash your hands OFTEN and to cover your mouth when you cough and NOT touch your nose or mouth.

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 09:30 AM (zplc6)

8 DON'T PANIC!  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!  PASS HEALTH CARE LEGISLATION NOW!  IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE!

Posted by: GarandFan at April 28, 2009 09:30 AM (C3okI)

9 We need a Krak attack.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 09:34 AM (/i4dU)

10 http://www.sfponline.org/ SFP, the school with the most cases has a daily update on the school's website.  They appear to have a survey up for students, teachers and anyone who volunteers or works there in any capacity to fill out.  Probably they will learn a lot about this if everyone fills it out.   The kids were scheduled to take the SAT and it has been posponed and the school is closed. 

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 09:35 AM (zplc6)

11

Meanwhile, 2 deaths in LA may be swine flu related.

Or MS-13?

Posted by: Fish at April 28, 2009 09:38 AM (CG+cG)

12 Suckers!

Posted by: PRC at April 28, 2009 09:38 AM (WGaLd)

13

Where can I buy some Tamiflu?!

Damn hoarders!

Posted by: RarestRX at April 28, 2009 09:39 AM (uIn6z)

14 Shep Smith is saying that "hundreds of students in NYC" could have the flu.

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 09:42 AM (zplc6)

15 You may eat bacon.

What about drinking bacon vodka?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 28, 2009 09:43 AM (/sh1v)

16 muffy,

Only Ace is allowed not to read the blog.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 09:44 AM (fnU+z)

17 4 (My first Ace post!!)

Welcome, Diane!  You're gonna love it here . . . 

And the news stories I've been reading all say that the deaths in this, so far, are in the 25-45 age group.  Which is a big part of the reason they are freaking out.  In a normal flu situation, it's the very young and the very old.

Posted by: CB at April 28, 2009 09:45 AM (9Wv2j)

18

75 degrees, sunny, late April...yeah, right, swine flu.  Oink. 

I think I convinced my mom I was sick with pseudothramitosis a few times during high school.  Of course, Mother prescribed a strict regimen of tabasco enemas .... 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 28, 2009 09:46 AM (XoYY8)

19 Here's what's being blogged about.. hold onto your tinfoil hats, Morons.

 This virus could further mutate and become even more dangerous. We could see mass school closings and work outages in the U.S. and in a worst-case scenario, 5-15 million people could die. There is a 40% chance that the new virus was man-made, and was released either accidentally or intentionally.
 This new swine virus is not natural. It's a genetically altered bioweapon, possibly being beta-tested in the field to target specific races, and how unusual it is for a flu virus to start out of season, and not come from the East.
This virus may be part of a global plan to reduce the population, and that the mysterious deaths of microbiologists in recent years could be connected to this outbreak- scientists who could help stop a pandemic were taken out.
 Flu fears could be deliberate hype by the government in order to distract the public from other issues.
..and a BIG H! to Diane!

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 09:47 AM (/i4dU)

20 Wow - Shep on Fox is being so hateful to anyone opposing Obama re teh swine flu

fuck him

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at April 28, 2009 09:48 AM (5r0Tz)

21 Didn't this spread a little too quick for illegal immigration to be a cause?  Unless IIs are just flying in economy class these days... which I guess is the next step.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at April 28, 2009 09:48 AM (cMc0O)

22 Eric Massa (D), former military New York Congressmen, speaking with Shep.  He wants the borders closed and he says he called for it days ago.  He is saying this has "everything to do about national security".  He doesn't understand why there is no quarantine.  When people were coming to this country didn't they have to remain on an island if they were suspected to be sick before they were allowed to enter the country.

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 09:49 AM (zplc6)

23
#4*Diane
anyone a wee bit freaked out that those two deaths in LA were younger adults with supposedly good immune systems? Isn't that typically who succumbs to the really worst epidemics?

Strong immune systems can be bad for you in the presence of a powerful virus.
As the virus invades the cells and the immune rejects them they burst, causing hemorrhaging and secondary infection.
That's why so many die from pneumonia as their sinuses and lungs fill up with fluid.

Posted by: Beto The Elder at April 28, 2009 09:50 AM (F1b/5)

24 This virus may be part of a global plan to reduce the population, and that the mysterious deaths of microbiologists in recent years could be connected to this outbreak- scientists who could help stop a pandemic were taken out.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 02:47 PM (/i4dU)

Hey, big guy!  Do you have any links re: mysterious deaths of microbiologists?  First I've heard of it, but very interesting . . . especially because my dad is a (retired) microbiologist.

Posted by: CB at April 28, 2009 09:51 AM (9Wv2j)

25 #19

We could see mass school closings and work outages in the U.S. and in a worst-case scenario, 5-15 million people could die.

Let's hope they vote Democrat.

Posted by: Ack at April 28, 2009 09:51 AM (wAuU5)

26 CB.. google had 50 hits on first try.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 09:54 AM (/i4dU)

27

It's still not panic time….

 

It may not be but it is getting damn close to it. The Mexicans held on to this too long, or it is possible they informed people like CDC and our own government held on to it to keep from getting the calls to close the border. By the time the news was out it was already too late. The NYC outbreak is the result of students going down for spring break. TX and CA are obviously illegals crossing the border, most likely KS as well.

 

We do need to CLOSE the damn border or at least start checking for symptoms. This is the stupidest administration I have ever experienced in my lifetime and I have been through a LOT of stupid Democraps starting with Harry Truman.

Posted by: Vic at April 28, 2009 09:55 AM (f6os6)

28 Ack,

That's fucked up.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 09:56 AM (fnU+z)

29

Wow - Shep on Fox is being so hateful to anyone opposing Obama re teh swine flu

 

Shep has been a sorry shit since Katrina. Turn him off.

Posted by: Vic at April 28, 2009 09:57 AM (f6os6)

30

Hey, big guy!  Do you have any links re: mysterious deaths of microbiologists?  First I've heard of it, but very interesting . . . especially because my dad is a (retired) microbiologist.

During the 80s, when Reagan was pushing SDI and winning the Cold War, didn't a number of our top physicists/engineers working the program get whacked by Putin's boys? 

O/T - I'll never forget Reagan's farewell address in 1989; I was 16,  a total Reaganite (kind of like Specter...mmm.hmmm) and couldn't conceive of anyone else being called President. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 28, 2009 09:58 AM (XoYY8)

31 I was on CNBC this morning talking about swine flu and markets. First, the stock, treasury, and commodity markets were poised to turn around anyway. The drops are purely coincidental with the outbreak of swine flu-and are happening faster and more dramatically because of it. The fly by in NYC didn't help matters. Second, the odds of this becoming a pandemic are low. We have information, better medical and preventative care and people are looking for signs. My guess is that there will be more people that think they have swine flu than actually have it. Third, the actions of foreign governments regarding agricultural trade with the US and Mexico are political actions, not actions designed to help the health of their people. Fourth, no matter what PETA and all the others say-it would be very difficult to have this happen in the US-even on a factory farm. Hogs are basically raised in a quarantined state. They are inside in big huge barns. Their health is monitored daily by computers. There is not a lot of human to hog contact on factory farms in the US-they are almost all automated-with very little time spent from the time the piglets are whelped, to the time they go to market. Fifth, it is always good to remind people you can't get flu from eating pork. There are a lot of jobs and a lot of money at stake in this game. Sixth, Mexico is a third world country. Their medical care, their water, their less educated society all helped to contribute to the spread of the illness. This can be contained. How many people have had this and recovered? We don't know. We have no idea what the denominator in the fraction is-even though me may know the numerator (number of confirmed cases). Don't panic. If you like bacon and pork, it just got a lot cheaper.

Posted by: jeff at April 28, 2009 09:58 AM (pqtAi)

32 26 CB.. google had 50 hits on first try.

Holy crap, so it does . . . thanks!

Posted by: CB at April 28, 2009 09:59 AM (9Wv2j)

33 How many times do I have to tell y'all, it is *always* time to panic.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 28, 2009 10:02 AM (SHHaV)

34

>Sixth, Mexico is a third world country.
80% of Mexicans would NEVER go to a hospital unless death was at the door. Fact!

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 10:03 AM (/i4dU)

35 Shep, the Katrina cryer, and torture curser, just told us all to "calm down", those borders are going to stay open...I wish I could smack that little jerk, and his four million dollar salary.

Posted by: free at April 28, 2009 10:04 AM (cFwGO)

36 Cook your pork well.  You can get swine flu from pork, theoretically anyway, if it's not cooked correctly.  It's stupid to avoid pork for this reason, so mama government is just saying you can't get this illness.  In truth, the odds of getting this illness are remote either way.

Posted by: Dark Halo at April 28, 2009 10:04 AM (8jYMc)

37 alexthechick,

Without pictures your suggestion of panic is worthless.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:05 AM (fnU+z)

38 Jeff,  I caught something about the Smithfield company in Mexico and that maybe they found the first patient.  Do you know anything about this?

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 10:05 AM (zplc6)

39 Dark Halo,

Don't forget to wash your hands thoroughly if you touch uncooked pork.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:06 AM (fnU+z)

40 #28

Always wondered what I'd have to say to get that response here.

Posted by: Ack at April 28, 2009 10:06 AM (wAuU5)

41 sickinmass, I don't know if you are just reporting this stuff or really believe it, but here goes:

There is a 40% chance that the new virus was man-made, and was released either accidentally or intentionally.

So where the heck does this "40%" come from?  Sounds real scientificy.  If you are going to use the fact that its got genetic parts from three different continents (someone said this of a different thread), big deal.  In the age of air travel, ALL flu strains are international.

 This new swine virus is not natural. It's a genetically altered bioweapon, possibly being beta-tested in the field to target specific races,

Like I said on two previous threads.  Avian strains of flu are dangerous, but seldom infectious.  Pigs are susceptible to both avian and human strains.  If a pig is coinfected with both types, then when the virus replicates you get a whole lot of mixing of genotypes. 

...and how unusual it is for a flu virus to start out of season, and not come from the East.

That is why these strains pop up in places where birds, pigs and people live closely together like Mexico and Asia.

What makes this dangerous is the fact that it is an N1H1 variant, like the Spanish Flu was.

BTW, Tamiflu is only helpful if given early in the infection.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:06 AM (n1yDn)

42 Meh. I won't panic. I'll just stop breathing, that's all. Al Whore can have my credits  up his fat ass.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 10:07 AM (/i4dU)

43 "36 Cook your pork well.  You can get swine flu from pork, theoretically anyway, if it's not cooked correctly.  It's stupid to avoid pork for this reason, so mama government is just saying you can't get this illness.  In truth, the odds of getting this illness are remote either way.

Posted by: Dark Halo at April 28, 2009 03:04 PM (8jYMc)"

I have watched three of these cooking challenge things on the food channel and DH commented "you would never serve that it is pink" three times this was said.  He even wondered if there had been a change in the "cooking pork" guidelines.  I mean these judges ate really rare pork.

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 10:07 AM (zplc6)

44 Just reporting,Sir. Can I haz my 4 million dollars now?

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 10:11 AM (/i4dU)

45 I don't know what to believe outside myself! But it's sure a fun ride.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 10:13 AM (/i4dU)

46 Closing the border is RACISSSSST.   Just catch the flu and enjoy it. 

Posted by: tom at April 28, 2009 10:15 AM (KNCWm)

47 Michael Raegan on Cavuto "we don't come to condemn Arlen Spector we come to bury him".

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 10:16 AM (zplc6)

48 It's a pity that this swine flu has to come along while we're dealing with the bird flu epidemic!  /sarc


Repeatedly tell people to panic and they'll panic, sure enough.

Posted by: InCali at April 28, 2009 10:16 AM (u1OeY)

49 Cook your pork well.  You can get swine flu from pork, theoretically anyway, if it's not cooked correctly.

I know you are trying to be helpful, but this is not correct.  Flu viruses live in the respiratory tract where there is a lot of oxygen.  There are no flu viruses in the muscles, they can't survive there.

Secondly, once the virus makes the initial jump to human contagion it spreads via human-human contact, not through pigs. 

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:17 AM (n1yDn)

50 #38 I had heard that. Smithfield was supposed to have a press conference at 330 EST. They are very scared about the ramifications of this. Not just legally-as morons will sue them. But Smithfield is highly leveraged. The drop in demand for pork will hurt their bottom line. They are a huge hog producer, and have plants all over the continent. Each country has its own standards for the raising of hogs-as well as butchering and storage. The standards are pretty close, but other standards (like water) are very different in Canada, US and Mexico. Smithfield vertically integrated the business and started exploiting that vertical integration around 8 years ago.

Posted by: jeff at April 28, 2009 10:18 AM (pqtAi)

51 I hate pigs

Posted by: Todd at April 28, 2009 10:21 AM (RNwpX)

52 Not to mention the West Nile Virus epidemic!

Posted by: InCali at April 28, 2009 10:21 AM (u1OeY)

53 Flu is a widespread problem every year. With a nasty less than 1% lethality, largely available vaccines to at risk demographics, the millions infected every year boil down to a relatively small number of deaths each year. Now with a 6% lethality and no vaccines, well assuming a 10% infection pandemic. 300000000 X 10% X 6% is about (calculating) 1.8 million dead Americans. With the 20-40 age bracket being the most at risk (Spanish Flu part Deux) . Oh' I'm gettin a vision.....someones speaking....

"This crisis underscores the urgency with which we must pursue greater government involvement in the health care strategy of the United States, and moreover the health care of each and every American"

Posted by: Michael C Keehn at April 28, 2009 10:22 AM (0q2P7)

54 47 Michael Raegan on Cavuto "we don't come to condemn Arlen Spector we come to bury him".

Heh heh, good one!

Posted by: CB at April 28, 2009 10:22 AM (9Wv2j)

55 Michael Raegan on Cavuto "we don't come to condemn Arlen Spector we come to bury him".

Heh heh, good one!

I'm thinking wrong thread, yes?  You want the Spector thread down the hall and to your left.  No, no problem.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:24 AM (n1yDn)

56

I remember when people were totally freaking out about Sars, I wasn't concerned in the least, because if it were infectious at all it would have covered a lot of area a lot faster.  In fact, my wife and I hopped a plane to Bali and flew through Singapore during the height of  it.  Its really an odd experience being the only one of five or six on a 777.

Obviously if people start dropping dead in droves in the US from this flu, I will worry like everyone else, but right now it seems a little premature.

Posted by: doug at April 28, 2009 10:26 AM (UpJts)

57 Not to mention the West Nile Virus epidemic!

Didn't we all already die from that?

Also remember there was talk that that was a bio weapon engineered by Saddam? Good times, good times.

We are overdue for a big flu hit but we ain't there yet with this one.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 10:29 AM (hlYel)

58 20 Wow - Shep on Fox is being so hateful to anyone opposing Obama re teh swine flu

fuck him

Shep is just afraid that his teenaged illegal houseboy might get deported.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 28, 2009 10:34 AM (miw86)

59 If not the "Swine Flu," it's the "Pork Plague" or "Bacony Death."

However, given that it's part avian flu too, perhaps the best name is the "Flying Pig Disease"

Posted by: wooga at April 28, 2009 10:36 AM (2p0e3)

60

I know you are trying to be helpful, but this is not correct.  Flu viruses live in the respiratory tract where there is a lot of oxygen.  There are no flu viruses in the muscles, they can't survive there.

Secondly, once the virus makes the initial jump to human contagion it spreads via human-human contact, not through pigs.
 

 

Thanks, Oldguy, I feel better now.  No way I was gonna ruin my bacon by cooking it.

Posted by: Tim at April 28, 2009 10:36 AM (3Wewy)

61 We are overdue for a big flu hit but we ain't there yet with this one.

I've said this before, but what bothers me is who is dying, not just how many.  Usually it is the very old and the very young, the weak in other words.  This time we are seeing healthy adults die.  That is not a good sign.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:37 AM (n1yDn)

62 I don't mean to be all doom and gloom. There is an upside, if we weather this significantly better than Mexico with better treatment and fewer deaths, if American doctors can figure out a way to effectively combat the lethal symptoms, or if we can churn out useful sums of vaccines quick enough to be a great help, we can use our relative success in defense of the free market health care system that may be saving our lives shortly.

Posted by: Michael C Keehn at April 28, 2009 10:38 AM (0q2P7)

63 Blonde on Fox reporting that NYC is running out of the two drugs.  The drug has to be given, according to her report, within the first 48 hours.  Now, are people who are sick being given prescriptions?  Or, are people with connections being given prescriptions.  This blonde reporter was furious that she had spoken to a SFP student who could not get either medication and she said "this is Queens, this is wher the outbreak is and this poor little girl couldn't get medication."

Posted by: muffy at April 28, 2009 10:38 AM (zplc6)

64 Thanks, Oldguy, I feel better now.  No way I was gonna ruin my bacon by cooking it.

Umm...this is the point where I mention trichinosis.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:38 AM (n1yDn)

65 Anything to keep us from concentrating on the spendulus disaster.

Posted by: Beto The Elder at April 28, 2009 10:39 AM (F1b/5)

66

 Anything and everything they can get their hands on = crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, crisis, See a pattern here?  It's four yr olds playing with bombs It's about time people stop being fucking stupid and wake up - his poll numbers were going in the toilet. Alinsky rule #1 :  "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. Rule #2 :  Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.) 

Posted by: paranoid polly at April 28, 2009 10:41 AM (YLNjm)

67 You H8rz are just looking for a reason to keep those wonderful immigrants who are different from you out. Janet Napolitano has issued a TRAVEL ALERT to Mexico City, what else to you wingnut h8rz want her to do! She's on top of things here.

Obama would have had this thing cured by now if you right wing Christian nuts hadn't held back the cures with your stupid stem cell opposition. We have smart people in charge now, and Obama is going to hand out Tamiflu at the border so you racists don't have to shoot Mexicans.

I hope this flu kills all the Rethuglikkkan wingnut h8rz so the world won't be such a stupid place.

PS - drink from juiceboxes, not a glass

Posted by: The Axelrod Troll Team at April 28, 2009 10:42 AM (miw86)

68

Umm...this is the point where I mention trichinosis.

 

I'm not afraid of the number 13.  That's just silly superstition.

Posted by: Tim at April 28, 2009 10:43 AM (3Wewy)

69 I am more bugged about gay marriage than swine flu, FWIW.
I also see this flu to be a huge bonus to all the news channels for sweeps week.
Plus, it's a big boon for robbers and thieves. Wearing masks hides one's face from video cameras. The reason stores in Mexico City are shuddered is because of robberies, not the flu; especially jewelry stores.

Posted by: sickinmass at April 28, 2009 10:50 AM (/i4dU)

70 or if we can churn out useful sums of vaccines quick enough...

Ahh...well now that would be a problem. 

You see the vaccine is incubated in chicken eggs and takes quite a while.  The CDC has huge, ginormous flu monitoring around the world all year long.  They look at what strains are cooking in the developing world and make a best guess as to what should go into this year's vaccine crop.  But it is really just a guess.  Sometimes they guess wrong, like two years ago.  If you wait for the actual flu season, it would be long over before any vaccine got out.

Still, they have been worrying about N1H1 for sometime.  But again, you have to grow the vaccine in chicken eggs and that takes a lot of time.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:50 AM (n1yDn)

71 Plagues, wars, rumors of wars. Don't worry though, the DemSM is keeping us up to date on Bo's poop drops and Obama's awesome Top Gun flyby of Manhattan.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 28, 2009 10:51 AM (miw86)

72 Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 03:37 PM (n1yDn)

Except there haven't been any in the US yet. It's hard to say how it will hit here. Given medical histories and quality of life issues, I'm not sure you can extrapolate from Mexico to here who will be hit hardest.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 10:55 AM (hlYel)

73 Fox reporting that the 2 deaths in CA NOT swine flu.

Posted by: Vic at April 28, 2009 10:59 AM (f6os6)

74 Given medical histories and quality of life issues, I'm not sure you can extrapolate from Mexico to here who will be hit hardest.

A true statement.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 10:59 AM (n1yDn)

75 oLD gUY

I read a story on that earlier today. I would have thought 6mo was being optimistic. But from how they talk it sounds more like 3 or 4.

LINK

Posted by: Michael C Keehn at April 28, 2009 11:02 AM (0q2P7)

76 Ahnuld says he's taking steps to strengthen measures. I feel so much better now.

When does Ahnuld defect to the Dems

Posted by: kbdabear at April 28, 2009 11:04 AM (miw86)

77 When does Ahnuld defect to the Dems

Not soon enough.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 11:06 AM (hlYel)

78

The good news is, it has nothing to do with pork or pork products. Apparently the term "swine flu" is something of a misnomer.

However that doesn't seem to prevent the media from a blackout in reporting whether, say, produce from Mexico is safe.

Posted by: Average Jen at April 28, 2009 11:08 AM (KIG/8)

79 Posted by: Michael C Keehn

Thanks for the link.  Hopefully they will get it out faster than what has been the traditional lead time.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 11:11 AM (n1yDn)

80 Couldn't they have told us this sooner?  I just threw out all my pig products in the house this morning with the trash - including my wife (I wasn't taking any chances).  Now there is peace and quiet in the house but I'm hungry.

Posted by: Captain Ahab at April 28, 2009 11:16 AM (ewXBY)

81 old guy is right that flu in muscle tissue makes little sense, but poorly handled food at the supermarket can have all kinds of illnesses on it.

When I said the chances of getting sick from pork are remote, I was referring to what Old guy was saying, but you should still cook your pork and other meats properly.  I'm eating pork right now, but I cook carefully.

There's no reason to believe that pork from mexico has been butchered in a way that flu in a pig's system, or the phlegm from a mexican worker, didn't come into contact with your pork chops.  It's remote, but just cook your shit through anyway.

Posted by: Dark Halo at April 28, 2009 11:17 AM (8jYMc)

82 Flu came form Mexico huh?

Add this to the list of reasons why would should close that sewer of a border.

Posted by: Boobies Make Me Smile at April 28, 2009 11:21 AM (weVyN)

83 I have to apologize for a huge error. 

What I wrote about the flu "living" in the respiratory tract because it needed the oxygen was complete B.S.  At the time I was thinking about aerophillic vs. aerophobic bacteria, not viruses.  Really, really bad mistake.  Viruses do not "need oxygen" in order to "live".

Sorry.  I will sit in the corner with the Stupid Hat.

You still won't see virus in muscle tissue since that is not where they infect.  It has more to do with the vector, than anything.


Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 11:21 AM (n1yDn)

84 Ace,

  This was posted at Instapundit yesterday, looks thought it's being ignored
by everyone.
www.pork.org.
Swine Flu or North American Flu?

The international organization that manages the fight against animal diseases globally said Monday that the flu virus now spreading around the world would more accurately be called “North American influenza” rather than “swine flu.”

The Office International des Epizooties, commonly known by the acronym OIE or World Organization for Animal Health, said the current influenza, because it contains avian and human components and because no pig has been found ill, would more accurately be called the North American influenza, based on its geographic origin


The rest at the link above.
Thanks

Posted by: maggiew at April 28, 2009 11:26 AM (NFmvY)

85

(read something like this on a different blog)

please stop calling it "swine" flu, that's very offensive to Muslims, the more politically correct term would be something like "beaner-itis" or maybe "wetback whooping cough" possibly "Mexican Mono"... y'all get the idea,

now have fun kids...

Posted by: shoey at April 28, 2009 11:38 AM (IRh55)

86 doh, someone beat me to it

Posted by: shoey at April 28, 2009 11:38 AM (IRh55)

87

Well, I don't know about the validity of the rest of sickinmass's post, but the thing about the dead microbiologists was just chilling.

It's not like the conspiracy theorists can spin that from whole cloth, there are corroborating news reports from the time of each microbiologist's death (or disappearance in one case). It seems like all somebody did was connect the dots. Which, seems strange that the FBI or others didn't connect the dots. And if they did connect the dots, then WTF?

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 28, 2009 11:41 AM (AJ4xq)

88 How about  "pig caused disaster"...

Posted by: tom at April 28, 2009 11:43 AM (KNCWm)

89 any Coast to Coast AM listener has heard about the deaths and dissappearances of top micro-biologists, whether it's a freaky co-incedence, utter b.s. or sinster plot, i have no idea, the fact that the world is a bit lighter in the micro-biology dept. seems to be true, no matter what you believe.

Posted by: shoey at April 28, 2009 11:50 AM (IRh55)

90 The purple Epizootie is the one with the purse, right?


Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at April 28, 2009 11:52 AM (5Rrm3)

91

The 1918 bug broke out in the spring, killed a few hundred people, and then seemingly disappeared, only to explode with a vengeance in the fall. If this one peeters out, use the summer to stock your pantries and decide which of your neighbors you'd most like to cannibalize when the food supply chain completely breaks down.

Posted by: Tiredwench at April 28, 2009 12:02 PM (ulSJI)

92

A suggestion that the flu be renamed? Had to happen. 

The first time a doctor is forced to explain to a hardline Muslim that he has been infected with 'Swine Flu' it will become a 'hate crime'.  

The doctor's head rolling around the floor will become a 'natural reaction in the extreme circumstances'.

No charges will be laid. 

Posted by: stanley at April 28, 2009 12:09 PM (dH2up)

93 Do they still get all the virgins if they die from swine flu?

Posted by: tom at April 28, 2009 12:16 PM (KNCWm)

94 I just shit my pants and I'm not even sick.

Posted by: jaleach at April 28, 2009 12:18 PM (gHrZU)

95 I just shit my pants and I'm not even sick.

Yeah, well you've had that problem for some time now.  We just don't like to talk about it much.

Posted by: oLD gUY at April 28, 2009 12:34 PM (n1yDn)

96 1 I wonder if these children are of undetermined citizenship status (UCS). Posted by: D-ling at April 28, 2009 02:24 PM (5QbWF) What's "citizenship"? Your question sounds politically incorrect and ins-s-s-e-e-e-n-n-n-sitive!

Posted by: CoolCzech at April 28, 2009 12:49 PM (iafWn)

97 Aww can't we even die with dignity??

Posted by: steevy at April 28, 2009 01:24 PM (dzIYr)

98 If we give swine flu to terrorists does that mean they don't get 72 virgin raisins?

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at April 28, 2009 01:31 PM (RdRrk)

99 When in trouble, when in doubt

Run in circles, scream and shout!

Posted by: torabora at April 28, 2009 01:38 PM (toXPa)

100 97 No I can't die with dignity.I've lived my whole life without dignity why would I die with dignity??

Posted by: George Costanza at April 28, 2009 01:41 PM (dzIYr)

101 Who the hell is Dignity?

Is she cute? Does she have big tits?

Got any dirty pictures?

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