October 31, 2013

Making Them Vote On It: Ron Johnson's "If You Like Your Plan, You Can Keep Your Plan" Will Put Democrats in a Tough Spot
— Ace

And then will Barack Obama veto his own promise?

Johnson's bill, which will be introduced on Wednesday, could put Democrats in a tough spot. Asked Tuesday to explain the news that millions of Americans were losing their insurance policies, contrary to the president's promise, Senate Democrats responded with a mixture of denials, evasions, and historical revisionism. Nearly all refused to say if they opposed Johnson's bill.

Jon Tester just flat-out denied people were losing their insurance:

One senator was not willing to cede the point that many Americans would be losing their current health insurance plans. When asked if those folks who like their plans should be able to keep it, Jon Tester, Democrat from Montana, responded, “I think your premise is wrong.”

What was wrong with the premise? “You said millions of people lost their health care,” Tester responded.

What about news reports saying as much?

“They’re wrong,” Tester said.

So here's the thing: Obama can't permit this, because his plan always relied on f***ing over millions of people. That is central to his plan.

Just like we've been saying for five years.


Apologies if this has already been posted.

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1 nananananananana


I can't HEAR you.

Posted by: Dems at October 31, 2013 12:46 PM (6TB1Z)

2
Wow, I'm not sure which is more delusional, the guy that says the cancelled plans were scams anyway, or the guy that says there are no cancelled plans.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 31, 2013 12:47 PM (nKUHR)

3 You don't understand.  We have to protect you from yourself.  Otherwise, you'd be running out to buy scamming, crappy insurance.  We can't have that. 

Your daughter looks good.  How old is she? 

Posted by: Jon Tester at October 31, 2013 12:47 PM (6TB1Z)

4 What I did in your mouth? Nothing, nothing at all.

Posted by: Bosk at October 31, 2013 12:48 PM (n2K+4)

5 A whole bunch of people need to be faxing their cancellation letters (personal info redacted) to Tester's office: (202) 224-8594

Gotta be a fax; they won't read e-mail and physical letters will be delayed for anthrax-related reasons.


http://www.tester.senate.gov/?p=page&id=49

Posted by: HeatherRadish at work with a migraine at October 31, 2013 12:48 PM (/kI1Q)

6 Just like the rep that was on Piers. Lie, lie, lie.

Posted by: Bosk at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (n2K+4)

7 They will continue to get more brazen with time.  It's all they have.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (ndlFj)

8 Jon Tester, testing the waters for retirement. Whatta f'in maroon to lash his ass to a lie so easily refutable and easily used in a commercial against him. Dumbass extraordinaire.

Posted by: The Right Honnerable Bugs Bunnet at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (IanLz)

9

Make them live up to their own standards.

 

It seems like I've heard this somewhere before. Anyway, the house should vote on this and split the dems like they'd like to split the GOP with immigration. If only they were smart and knew this.

Posted by: Jollyroger at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (t06LC)

10

The Dems are counting on the R's to fix this mess.

 

The Republicans should just leave this alone...let it play out.

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (uzPgI)

11 Ron Johnson has kind of backed them into a corner there, eh?

I have no doubt this will go nowhere.  I just want to see how the Dems will spin it.

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (P6QsQ)

12 They will continue to get more brazen with time. It's all they have.
Posted by: dfbaskwill


It's been good enough to this point.

Posted by: pep at October 31, 2013 12:49 PM (6TB1Z)

13 I just want to see how the Dems will spin it.

"The Republicans are blocking people from transitioning.  Why are you against progress, evil Republicans?"

Posted by: pep at October 31, 2013 12:50 PM (6TB1Z)

14 Make them either live up to their word, or explain why they won't. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 12:50 PM (P6QsQ)

15 What is it about Montana that they vote for these people?

Posted by: Harry at October 31, 2013 12:51 PM (ao2LR)

16

8Jon Tester, testing the waters for retirement.

Whatta f'in maroon to lash his ass to a lie so easily refutable and easily used in a commercial against him.

Dumbass extraordinaire.

 

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Tester's reputedly a major idiot and it apparently took a massive cockup by the GOP last year to keep him in office.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 31, 2013 12:51 PM (/Crba)

17 Time to remind all your friends/relations/coworkers/acquaintances who vote Dem that the people they vote for really do not care about them.


You can spend your time trying to make a feelings-based voter smarter and wiser but it is really tough sledding.  You will be reasoning with a person who doesn't really care about reason.


Or, you can directly address their feelings.  The politicians they think 'care' about them really do not.  Anyone who actually cares about you is not mean enough to fuck up your insurance and your medical care.


It is time to say so, and keep saying it, because to the feelings-based voter you will be speaking their language -- and maybe for the very first time.


Posted by: jc at October 31, 2013 12:52 PM (i8c5b)

18 Tester said health care not health insurance, so he finagled a technicality. That's the single biggest win for democrats since Oct. 1st.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 31, 2013 12:52 PM (+lsX1)

19 >>The Republicans should just leave this alone...let it play out. My how times change. A few weeks ago that would have you branded as a RINO sellout.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2013 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

20

14 Make them either live up to their word, or explain why they won't.

 

It won't play out like that though.

 

The Dems will probably vote for it...and then declare:

"We fixed it for you!" 

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 12:53 PM (uzPgI)

21 Unless the law allows the insurance companies to jettison the other ACA requirements, I'm not sure this will work. Further, insurance companies have spent a lot of money to comply and have already told millions of people their policies don't exist. How do they get reinstated? Finally, given the One's track record, it wouldn't surprise me if he signed a bill and then used the regs to destroy it, just like he did the first time.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2013 12:53 PM (YAGV/)

22 So Sen. Tester is the new Captain of the RMS 404Care?  Millions of frozen drops of water made up a real humdinger of an iceberg who cared not one whit if someone denied they were a hazard.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at October 31, 2013 12:54 PM (gMFC1)

23 Unless the law allows the insurance companies to jettison the other ACA requirements, I'm not sure this will work. Further, insurance companies have spent a lot of money to comply and have already told millions of people their policies don't exist. How do they get reinstated? Finally, given the One's track record, it wouldn't surprise me if he signed a bill and then used the regs to destroy it, just like he did the first time.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2013 05:53 PM (YAGV/)


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I really don't think it's meant to work, as in "pass".  I think it's meant to put them on the spot. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 12:55 PM (P6QsQ)

24 And this is how you play hardball politics in Washington DC. You make the fuckers vote on shit that they HAVE to vote for, but shit which utterly fucks up their REAL plans which they don't dare tell anyone about.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 31, 2013 12:55 PM (bb5+k)

25 Let me put my confusion in you.

Posted by: Jon Tester at October 31, 2013 12:55 PM (9jLim)

26 Tester is proof again of Washington's warning against faction. This is a critical inflection point in American history--the level of fraud and obfuscation used to pass this bill will mean theend of the citizen-owner concept, of sovereignty residing in the people. The people are probably up to the challenge of resisting this blatant move towards oligarchy, however, the "field army", in the form of the GOP, is not. It will simply have to finally rise to the occasion. Otherwise, what will probably have to happen is some jackass will have to talk about dividing the union if the way things are being done don't change. If he does it right, it won't happen--instead, it will "recage" brains and reboot things, though he himself will most likely not politically or reputationally survive the process. But we live in the world we live in because others in the past gave their all to build it for us, so we should heed their example, and govern ourselves accordingly. Not every death ride is forlorn.

Posted by: "Martin Luther" at October 31, 2013 12:56 PM (cnCu8)

27 Got a passle of Trick or Treaters. Gave them mini oxes of Nerds. They deserved less.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 31, 2013 12:56 PM (ZshNr)

28 19 >>The Republicans should just leave this alone...let it play out. My how times change. A few weeks ago that would have you branded as a RINO sellout. Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2013 05:52 PM (g1DWB) First you try to stop it or delay it and then if that fails, only then do you step aside and let the ass-fucking commence. This has been done and now thanks to Ted Cruz and folks like him we know who opposes ObamaCare, who supports it, and who is pretending.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 12:56 PM (AO9UG)

29

@24And this is how you play hardball politics in Washington DC. You make the fuckers vote on shit that they HAVE to vote for, but shit which utterly fucks up their REAL plans which they don't dare tell anyone about.
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AKA "Why Harry Reid Refuses to Submit a Budget"

 

Posted by: junior at October 31, 2013 12:56 PM (UWFpX)

30 Obama didn't force people to lose their old plans and buy new, more expensive ones because he gives a shit about you. You are a cow to be milked. The new, more expensive plans that force women in their 60's to have OB GYN care are there to cover the cost of covering all of the free riders. Just like the young idiot in LA who doesn't understand why his rates went up. Its the same reason he has resisted postponing or canceling the mandate. The law needs the money to work. Obama and liberals are pretty much fucked no matter what they do.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2013 12:57 PM (g1DWB)

31 In other words, this is a giant billboard to America saying:



"Republicans want you to keep your plan.

Democrats don't.

Compare and contrast."

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 12:57 PM (P6QsQ)

32 ------------- I really don't think it's meant to work, as in "pass". I think it's meant to put them on the spot. Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 05:55 PM (P6QsQ) Putting Democrat senators at the focus of excruciating political agony is exactly what needs to be done. We need to either force them to torpedo their own ship, or get the public to hate them as much as we do.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at October 31, 2013 12:57 PM (bb5+k)

33 Something tells me the Nevada pederest isn't going to let these see the light of day.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2013 12:58 PM (OWjjx)

34 An Obama veto would be so yummy.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 12:59 PM (AO9UG)

35 This has been done and now thanks to Ted Cruz and folks like him we know who opposes ObamaCare, who supports it, and who is pretending.

Posted by: eman


Right.  Anyone who thought Cruz's methods were wrong was really in favor of Obamacare. 

Posted by: pep at October 31, 2013 12:59 PM (6TB1Z)

36 Maybe the GOP can erase ObamaCare page by page. Ten pages per day. How long will that take?

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 01:00 PM (AO9UG)

37

I like totally supported this health care thing when I thought we were f&cking the GOP and their corporate fat cats.  But if I can't get coverage to pay for my therapists and testosterone,  I might.... {weeps}

Posted by: Typical Lib at October 31, 2013 01:00 PM (W2qJe)

38 I confess, I do not know the Senate rules. I know in the House there is a discharge petition which means that if a bill is bottled up in a committee, enough signatures brings it to the House floor. I wonder, and someone here surely will know (and yes, I promise to stop calling you Shirley) if such a rule exist in the Senate. And, if so, can it get a cloture vote?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 31, 2013 01:00 PM (OWjjx)

39 Will the idiot voters in Montana who voted him in, now vote him out?

Posted by: Dan at October 31, 2013 01:01 PM (m3gf3)

40 Re: this nonsense about 'lousy' plans or 'scam' health insurance. Are these morons now implicating 50 state insurance commissioners in a fraudulent enterprise? I believe most states require individual market polices to be filed, reviewed and approved by the state regulator, mostly to ensure compliance with a plethora of state mandates. So, these idiot Dems are now saying state insurance commissioners were allowing insurance companies to sell phony policies to an unsuspecting public? Bullshit.

Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 01:01 PM (EZU5/)

41 I've shook hands and chatted with Tester on several occasions. 

He's basically an idiot.

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2013 01:01 PM (TKFmG)

42 Will the idiot voters in Montana who voted him in, now vote him out?

Depends.  Do I gain more than I lose?

Posted by: idiot voters in Montana at October 31, 2013 01:02 PM (6TB1Z)

43 First you try to stop it or delay it and then if that fails, only then do you step aside and let the ass-fucking commence. This has been done and now thanks to Ted Cruz and folks like him we know who opposes ObamaCare, who supports it, and who is pretending. I think the timing was perfect. Before the *ss-f'ing commenced the Republican controlled House voted around 30 times to repeal it. Then, before the roll out the 'Govmint' got shut down by Republicans to try to prevent it. So it rolled out and failed. Only Che-Che and his/her brigade could not notice what party was on which side of the issue. Anyone have any projections for the Senate balance after November 2014?

Posted by: Schrdinger's cat [/i] at October 31, 2013 01:02 PM (U2UQk)

44 BTW I'm pretty sure Landrieu in LA is or is planning to announce a similar bill. She's in very deep doo doo. It's fun to watch them squirm.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 31, 2013 01:02 PM (g1DWB)

45 39 Will the idiot voters in Montana who voted him in, now vote him out? Not a chance.

Posted by: The idiot voters in Montana at October 31, 2013 01:02 PM (O7OxF)

46 Still am unsure about the question: Is everyone who technically qualifies for Medicaid going to be forcibly enrolled in it? Can a poor person opt-out of Medicaid? Obamacare has no asset test, just income. Can a low-income person opt-out of Medicaid and use savings to buy better insurance? Can they use money given to them buy a relative/friend/lover/etc?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 01:03 PM (ZPrif)

47

The Unions have gotten really quiet lately.

Did they get a waiver?

 

I mean...won't the Unions get taxed on their 'Cadillac Plans'?

  

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 01:03 PM (uzPgI)

48 Sounds like it's time for Lindsay to get the Gang back together!

Posted by: John McCain at October 31, 2013 01:04 PM (W2qJe)

49 35 This has been done and now thanks to Ted Cruz and folks like him we know who opposes ObamaCare, who supports it, and who is pretending. Posted by: eman Right. Anyone who thought Cruz's methods were wrong was really in favor of Obamacare. Posted by: pep at October 31, 2013 05:59 PM (6TB1Z) Sure, it was a disagreement over tactics. Perhaps so, for some, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that. Ted Cruz and others tore the masks off many a face.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (AO9UG)

50

Will Obama veto his own promise?   Of course he will.   And in doing so he will argue that Ron Johnson wants to kill old people and consign women to back alleys.   And the MSM will genuflect.

 

Black is white.

 

War is peace.

 

Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania.

 

And now, it's time for our Two-Minute Hate.... of Ted Cruz!

Posted by: The Regular Guy at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (qHCyt)

51 Ace, Tester the Montana Moonbat is just another harbinger of the symbiotic Hall of Potemkin Mirrors the media have put the mules in.....

guy's gonna get a good pension for braying, "I don't care Obama is awesome."

nice work if you can get it I guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (9jfyN)

52
What they need is a bill saying that the fucks in Congress must abide by  same rules everybody else does. 

Also need a Constitutional Amendment saying they don't vote themselves their own salary raises.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (OZmbA)

53 SAY IT! SAY IT!

Posted by: Prof. Terguson at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (vx61Q)

54 Pre-Obamacare, a low income person could use savings or money given to them by friends or family to buy decent insurance and avoid medicaid.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

55 Watch this shit:

"No New Taxes!"

Posted by: George Bush I at October 31, 2013 01:06 PM (x3YFz)

56 Clever on Johnson's part.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 31, 2013 01:06 PM (DmNpO)

57 I know we all hate this law, but I think stunts like Sen. Johnson is tryng to pull don't help. It won't go to a vote and the Democrats/MSM will demonize him for grandstanding. Rs should continue to point out the very real consequences that are hurting real people. Enough of these stupid "Let's Repeal ObamaCare Because I Need to Get On All The Cable Talk Shows Act of 2013" stunts.

Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 01:06 PM (EZU5/)

58

Also need a Constitutional Amendment saying they don't vote themselves their own salary raises.

 

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They have a form of that already.  Rule is that no pay raise will take place until the term after it has been voted on.

 

The idea is that it gives the people at home a chance to toss the bums out before they can get anything.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 31, 2013 01:06 PM (/Crba)

59 ....checkmate.

Posted by: redenzo at October 31, 2013 01:07 PM (vx61Q)

60 Also, need a bill saying every activity of every lobbying group on Capitol Hill must be disclosed in real time. Every dinner, every offer, every hooker, every round of golf.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2013 01:07 PM (OZmbA)

61 57 I know we all hate this law, but I think stunts like Sen. Johnson is tryng to pull don't help. It won't go to a vote and the Democrats/MSM will demonize him for grandstanding. Rs should continue to point out the very real consequences that are hurting real people. Enough of these stupid "Let's Repeal ObamaCare Because I Need to Get On All The Cable Talk Shows Act of 2013" stunts. Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 06:06 PM I disagree... Make the fuckers vote on it... Name: *

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 31, 2013 01:07 PM (9+ccr)

62 I think that doesn't take affect until 2016 or 2018 or something wheatie. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:07 PM (u25eL)

63 We're gonna need a whole bunch of Ivy League White guys from the Best and Brightest club to fix this mess. So, you know, put the word out.

Posted by: Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at October 31, 2013 01:07 PM (O7OxF)

64 Pre-Obamacare, when you called up BlueCross or Aetna or Joe Blow Insurance Co., they didn't ask your income. They just asked age, gender, smoker, health problems, etc. and offered you a price. But with Obamacare you have to first give your income, and low-income people are shunted to Medicaid and aren't part of the new exchanges at all, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 01:08 PM (ZPrif)

65 15 What is it about Montana that they vote for these people?

When I lived there 15 years ago, the Western part of the state was seeing a huge influx Pacific Northwesterners. Between that and all the reservations, there you go.      ...First post here, btw. Been reading the HQ forever.

Posted by: Barkow at October 31, 2013 01:08 PM (nJHAW)

66 57 I know we all hate this law, but I think stunts like Sen. Johnson is tryng to pull don't help. It won't go to a vote and the Democrats/MSM will demonize him for grandstanding. Rs should continue to point out the very real consequences that are hurting real people. Enough of these stupid "Let's Repeal ObamaCare Because I Need to Get On All The Cable Talk Shows Act of 2013" stunts. Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 06:06 PM (EZU5/) Who flashed the Concern Signal on the clouds?

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 01:08 PM (AO9UG)

67 Dump the Federal Employees on the exchanges  for the children.

Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 31, 2013 01:08 PM (Kud5A)

68 >>They have a form of that already. Rule is that no pay raise will take place until the term after it has been voted on.


OK. I vote my future self a pay raise. Now, kick me out, you LIVs.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2013 01:08 PM (OZmbA)

69 guy's gonna get a good pension for braying, "I don't care Obama is awesome."

nice work if you can get it I guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 06:05 PM (9jfyN)

*lounging in couch eating popcorn*

Dude... get some popcorn and there's beer in the fridge. 

Oh look at that dem!  he's en fuego!

God this is fun to watch.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (x3YFz)

70 Rs should continue to point out the very real consequences that are hurting real people.

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Losing their plans is exactly that.  The Republicans can call attention to the pain being caused by the Democrats' lies.  Make them live up their word or explain to the American people why. 

As to being afraid of demonization???  We're well past that. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (P6QsQ)

71 Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 06:01 PM (EZU5/)

Wish one of the stellar Republicans had asked Sebaceous this question under oath since she was once Insurance Commish for Kansas (IIRC)!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (XdnQT)

72 No way in f'n hell the House should pass a clean version of this.  They could attached it to 'Kick out everyone without a valid green card' and get 6 dems to vote for it in the Senate at this point.

Posted by: Joe at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (7pOq5)

73 Happy Party-sanctioned celebration of a culturally neutral occasion that tacitly endorses beggars and vandals!

Posted by: adams bobbing for sour apples porn at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (R6JT1)

74 Welcome Barkow!

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (u25eL)

75 First post here, btw. Been reading the HQ forever.

Posted by: Barkow at October 31, 2013 06:08 PM (nJHAW)



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Nice to meet you. 

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 01:09 PM (P6QsQ)

76 @66 eman Also known as the "lie back and think of England" approach.

Posted by: RS at October 31, 2013 01:10 PM (YAGV/)

77

 61: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka:

I'd like to see a vote on it too, but I don't think it will see the light of day in the Senate. Democrats will call it a 'distraction' that shows the Rs aren't serious about fixing healthcare. I could be wrong on Senate procedures, but I doubt Dingy Harry's not going to allow it to come to the floor. IMHO

Posted by: chuckinseattle at October 31, 2013 01:10 PM (EZU5/)

78 I know the world is going to shit, but this is the most fun I've had watching liberalism implode since Hillary ran against Obama.

You find the happy parts of life and enjoy them... silver lining and all that shit.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:10 PM (x3YFz)

79 Senate Democrats facing reelection next year aren’t just fretting about a balky website and President Barack Obama’s misleading campaign statements on health care. Now they’ve begun worrying about another deadline a year away.

According to an Affordable Care Act timetable established by administration officials, early next October insurance companies will announce their new menu of health care plans for the ACA marketplaces — plans that may be more varied and numerous than those offered this year, but that almost certainly will come with higher prices.

The likely price hikes will hit the individual and small-business insurance markets only weeks before Election Day on Nov. 4, 2014.

“What genius came up with that timetable?” asked one key Democrat, who declined to be quoted by name because he is involved in private White House talks.

Posted by: Imadinnerjack at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (e8kgV)

80 69 Tangonine,

it hurts less when you understand the punchline.....

"they're burning paper the wealth potential is still here"

save the world poor....hug a moonbat...ideally with a lasso and a tree.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (9jfyN)

81 I share chuck's deep concern. Fellow conservatives, let us not grandstand on this issue. Let's not debase ourselves with these "stunts". For surely the media will sharply criticize us!

Posted by: Concerned in Seattle at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

82 Also, need a bill saying every activity of every lobbying group on Capitol Hill must be disclosed in real time. Every dinner, every offer, every hooker, every round of golf. Every ounce of blow.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 31, 2013 06:07 PM (OZmbA)


Addendum for accuracy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (XdnQT)

83 75 First post here, btw. Been reading the HQ forever. Posted by: Barkow at October 31, 2013 06:08 PM (nJHAW) oops better be on my good behavior... I promise to only say fuck every other post...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (9+ccr)

84 >>>So here's the thing: Obama can't permit this, because his plan always relied on f***ing over millions of people. That is central to his plan. ... Whatever...

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at October 31, 2013 01:11 PM (j0wOO)

85

“What genius came up with that timetable?” asked one key Democrat, who declined to be quoted by name because he is involved in private White House talks.

 

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Pelosi, I'm sure, thinking that people would LOVE this sack of shit bill and that it could be used against Republicans for the 2014 elections.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 31, 2013 01:12 PM (/Crba)

86 Democrats will call it a 'distraction' that shows the Rs aren't serious about fixing healthcare.


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And?  This is different than what they are going to say anyway how?

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 01:12 PM (P6QsQ)

87 This is... a refreshing change from the usual Republican dishwater.

My refrain for a long time has been that the GOP need to stop thinking like lawyers and accountants, and instead think like insurgents and revolutionaries. Think like Breitbart. To include getting good at agitprop.

This is really good agitprop.

The optics of this are absolutely horrible for Democrats. More, please.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 31, 2013 01:12 PM (gqT4g)

88 Howdy Barkow....

the guys get shirts*

* someday

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:12 PM (9jfyN)

89 save the world poor....hug a moonbat...ideally with a lasso and a tree.

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 06:11 PM (9jfyN)

The best part is, they're so stupid, you can just hand them a rope outside a forest and come back 30 minutes later. 

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:12 PM (x3YFz)

90 <

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 31, 2013 01:13 PM (MhA4j)

91 No. It wont put Dems in a rough spot.

The Dems and their fellow travelers are already in the process of spining Obamacare to be a creation of the GOP, forced onto the Dems by evil "right wing think tanks" and Romnycare.

There is nothing... not. one. thing. that the Dems can not twist, spin, mutilate or flat out blatantly lie their way through to success in our current cultural climate.

Posted by: Grimmy at October 31, 2013 01:14 PM (uUsh9)

92 From FoxNews: A controversial 600-plus page manual used by the military to train its Equal Opportunity officers teaches that "healthy, white, heterosexual, Christian" men hold an unfair advantage over other races, and warns in great detail about a so-called "White Male Club." "Simply put, a healthy, white, heterosexual, Christian male receives many unearned advantages of social privilege, whereas a black, homosexual, atheist female in poor health receives many unearned disadvantages of social privilege," reads a statement in the manual created by the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute (DEOMI). The manual, which was obtained by Fox News, also instructs troops to "support the leadership of people of color. Do this consistently, but not uncritically," the manual states.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 01:14 PM (ZPrif)

93 "'What genius came up with that timetable?' asked one key Democrat, who declined to be quoted by name because he is involved in private White House talks."

Uh, the self-proclaimed "genius" in the White House?

This is actually funny as hell, watching Democrats realize why Obama didn't want Obamacare to kick in until after he was re-elected. Well, he's been re-elected. Mission accomplished. Unfortunately now THEIR own re-elections are in peril, and they're shitting themselves in fear.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 31, 2013 01:14 PM (gqT4g)

94 Tester is a fat fucking idiot.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:14 PM (zJLoG)

95 Yep, we need more agitprop, not less. We are the insurgents. Agitprop is our friend.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (ZPrif)

96 Posted by: Concerned in Seattle at October 31, 2013 06:11 PM (ZPrif)

Yes my winning political consulting firm is advising all the mature steady Republicans with gravitas to refrain from mocking any and all Democrat stupidity, because it can only cause harm to the bi-partisan legacy that we so are interested in forging for the good of our Congressional members, their staffs, and their consultants.

Posted by: Karl Rover at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (XdnQT)

97

62 I think that doesn't take affect until 2016 or 2018 or something wheatie. But I could be wrong.

 

Yeah, Jewells, you're right. ....2018.

I've been trying to look up the dollar amount that constitutes 'Cadillac Plan'.

 

Some articles say..."$8000 a year for individuals, $21,000 a year for families".

 

Other articles mention "$15,000 a year".

 

It is determined by the annual cost of premiums...not the coverage.

So at the rate our premiums are going up, we will all be deemed to have 'Cadillac Plans'.

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (uzPgI)

98 94 Tester is a fat fucking idiot. What are the odds of him being "retired?"

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (9+ccr)

99

What is it about Montana that they vote for these people?

 

Unions and Ag.

They are all about the subsidy train.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (zJLoG)

100 What do you think the IQ difference between Al Sharpton and Chris Wallace?

Posted by: redenzo at October 31, 2013 01:15 PM (vx61Q)

101 As if Reid would ever allow this to come to a vote.

Posted by: obladioblada at October 31, 2013 01:16 PM (w6/EI)

102 One senator was not willing to cede the point that many Americans would be losing their current health insurance plans. When asked if those folks who like their plans should be able to keep it, Jon Tester, Democrat from Montana, responded, “I think your premise is wrong.” call email this sob if you lost your insurance http://www.tester.senate.gov/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: dim sum and tapas > halloween candy at October 31, 2013 01:17 PM (IXrOn)

103 There is some truth to the idea that so e of the reddest States get a lot of subsidies.We need to put an end to all of that.

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2013 01:17 PM (zqvg6)

104 95 Yep, we need more agitprop, not less. We are the insurgents. Agitprop is our friend.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 31, 2013 06:15 PM (ZPrif)

the kicker:  12 years of combat hardened veterans with experience in counterinsurgency who vote 85/15 conservative.

This ain't about trigger pulling, it's about hearts and minds. 

I have a LOT of popcorn.  Beers are in the fridge.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:17 PM (x3YFz)

105 Will the idiot voters in Montana who voted him in, now vote him out?

Posted by: Dan at October 31, 2013 06:01 PM (m3gf3)


Are you kidding? Lifetime baybee!!!!

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2013 01:17 PM (nkPV9)

106 Obama understands the Health Insurance Industry as much as I understand sarcasm......

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at October 31, 2013 01:18 PM (BGFPo)

107 As if Reid would ever allow this to come to a vote.

Posted by: obladioblada at October 31, 2013 06:16 PM (w6/EI)


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It doesn't need to. It's getting into the media:  "Republican plan to let you keep your insurance. Dems refuse to take it to a vote."

Posted by: mama winger at October 31, 2013 01:18 PM (P6QsQ)

108

Butte is as Blue as cities get.

Bozeman, Helena  and Missoula are moving that direction thanks to the University System.

 

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:19 PM (zJLoG)

109 Isn't Liz Cheney running against this guy Tester?

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 01:19 PM (uzPgI)

110 109 Isn't Liz Cheney running against this guy Tester? I wish... No different State and she's stupidly going up against a pretty Conservative Republican...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at October 31, 2013 01:20 PM (9+ccr)

111 Cheney isn't running in Montana.  I think she's running in Wyoming, no?

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:20 PM (zJLoG)

112 If Tester wants to vote against the bill, fine. Let him.

Posted by: MTF at October 31, 2013 01:20 PM (F58x4)

113

No wait...that's Wyoming where Liz Cheney is running.

Nevermind.

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 01:20 PM (uzPgI)

114 Democrat Senators begging Hairy the Kiddietoucher for a chance to vote Aye would make for an awesome viral video.

Posted by: eman at October 31, 2013 01:20 PM (AO9UG)

115 100 redenzo,

is zero a diffence?

We need Amish Dude for a judge's ruling

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:21 PM (9jfyN)

116 Wheatie.. we have what is considered a "cadillac plan".. I don't know how all this will play out. My husband is a retired fed... yeah I know.. but he was just a lowly programmer for GSA (again, yeah, I know).. but our plan is considered candillac. Our share a month is over $400 but the tax will be on the total plan.. not just our share.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:21 PM (u25eL)

117 83 > oops better be on my good behavior... I promise to only say fuck every other post...

I'm already on to you fuckers.

Posted by: Barkow at October 31, 2013 01:22 PM (nJHAW)

118 What was wrong with the premise? “You said millions of people lost their health care,” Tester responded.

What about news reports saying as much?

“They’re wrong,” Tester said.

.. ignore the good Senator .. he afterall is a "Tester"

Posted by: Ingenious Idiot at October 31, 2013 01:23 PM (e8kgV)

119 105 Will the idiot voters in Montana who voted him in, now vote him out?

Posted by: Dan at October 31, 2013 06:01 PM (m3gf3)



Are you kidding? Lifetime baybee!!!!

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2013 06:17 PM (nkPV9)

I live in Twin Bridges, MT.  Played HS football there since, evidently, my father as it turns out was the son of a corrupt mafia judge in pittsburgh (I'm rambling.... getting back on point)

So ANYway, MT is a hippie state.  It looks good on paper but the people there are F U C K E D up.  Like hard fucked.  No fixin' it fucked.  Weird fucked.  Sort of the kinda "don't turn your back on any of these people." fucked up. 

Oh yeah.  I've been to nearly every state in the union, including Utah and MT makes Utah look sane.  Cajuns from LA called and said "emmer unright annn dunnna go em way."

Muck Fontanna.  Crazy people like you wouldn't believe.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:24 PM (x3YFz)

120 *lived* in TB. 

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:24 PM (x3YFz)

121 Wasn't Montana where Brokeback Mountain was set?NTTAWWT

Posted by: steevy at October 31, 2013 01:25 PM (zqvg6)

122 I thought Montana was full of cowboys and cows. I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:26 PM (u25eL)

123 As to being afraid of demonization??? We're well past that. I'm concerned that some people here aren't concerned enough about the ramifications of being demonized. That they could at some time in the way, way future question your personal desire to fly the flag of the USA, question the fact you had military experience, even whether you had some sort of non-islamic religious convictions or had some sort of metal object that fired bullets. I'm concerned that people have concern about being demonized. Evidence not in evidence.

Posted by: Willfully Blind and Concerned [/i] at October 31, 2013 01:26 PM (U2UQk)

124 No wait...that's Wyoming where Liz Cheney is running.
Nevermind.

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 06:20 PM (uzPgI)


Yes, we really need another republican dynasty in DC!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 31, 2013 01:26 PM (XdnQT)

125 Happy Halloween! Be good. *wave

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: dim sum and tapas > halloween candy at October 31, 2013 01:27 PM (IXrOn)

126 122 jewells45,

my understanding is Tester can get surgery to be a cow under the ACA......

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:27 PM (9jfyN)

127 122 I thought Montana was full of cowboys and cows. I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 06:26 PM (u25eL)

Nope.  It's full of alcoholics and ex actors.  Differentiate on a case by case basis.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:27 PM (x3YFz)

128
 I'm not a fistula on the anus of America as espoused by the right wing nuts jobs in Congress.  I'm a patriot dedicated to the truth as espoused by my Supreme Being, President Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jon Tester at October 31, 2013 01:27 PM (pJF+c)

129

I thought Montana was full of cowboys and cows.

 

Ranchers and cows.   Not that many cowboys.

 

Lot of liberal douchebags from California, too.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:28 PM (zJLoG)

130 Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 06:15 PM (zJLoG) So they're hardcore GOP heh?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at October 31, 2013 01:28 PM (BYlY5)

131 Hope there is an open thread later so we can post about the little munchkins that are visiting our homes. Last year I was dying laughing at some of the posts.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:28 PM (u25eL)

132 Hmmm? Tester? Maybe we should have hired him before the roll-out.

Posted by: kathleen sebelius at October 31, 2013 01:29 PM (vx61Q)

133 129
I thought Montana was full of cowboys and cows.

Ranchers and cows. Not that many cowboys.

Lot of liberal douchebags from California, too.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 06:28 PM (zJLoG)

All us respectable (laugh) cowboys went to TX and CO.  Few to WY

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:29 PM (x3YFz)

134
I have a pet cow at my farm I've affectionately named Miss Stump Jumper. 

Posted by: Jon Tester at October 31, 2013 01:29 PM (pJF+c)

135 Wow.. I had no idea Montana was that fucked up. I guess I can scratch that off my bucket list of places to visit before I die.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:29 PM (u25eL)

136 135 Wow.. I had no idea Montana was that fucked up. I guess I can scratch that off my bucket list of places to visit before I die.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 06:29 PM (u25eL)

Good place to visit.  Just don't move there.

Fishing is the best on earth.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:30 PM (x3YFz)

137 The sheep here in NE Ohio are finding out that they fucked themselves...it's not like they haven't been warned.The wails of the local bluetards are finding out yet again they were used ,abused and hung out to dry.This county has battered wife syndrome down to an art form.

Posted by: YTown Guy at October 31, 2013 01:31 PM (das+y)

138 135 jewells45

nah it's pretty and lots of good folk.....

the porkcannon is mighty ma'am

Posted by: sven10077 at October 31, 2013 01:31 PM (9jfyN)

139 I don't fish tangonine.. but the pictures I have seen are beautiful. I'm thinking just a quick drive thru someday. What else is there to do there?

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:32 PM (u25eL)

140

Oh, it's worth a visit.  Just know that every University town in America is now a Liberal foothold.

Also, the FSA is strong in rural America.  Real strong in areas where the EPA, DNRC, FS and other alphabet agencies  have stymied growth and industry.

...and steer clear of the indian Reservations.

Posted by: garrett at October 31, 2013 01:32 PM (zJLoG)

141 Hope there is an open thread later so we can post about the little munchkins that are visiting our homes. Last year I was dying laughing at some of the posts.

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 06:28 PM (u25eL)


A cow-orker had a pet iguana that sat on his shoulder while he answered the door to trick-or-treat-ing kids. He was a hit with the munchkins.

Posted by: Retread at October 31, 2013 01:36 PM (IiAs3)

142

124...Yes, we really need another republican dynasty in DC!

 

I would gladly trade Liz Cheney for McCain or some of the other dickheads in the Senate.

Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 01:37 PM (uzPgI)

143 @141.. I'll bet!!

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:37 PM (u25eL)

144 Montana crazy ain't like normal crazy.

Let me expand.

When you roll into Harlan County, you kinda already know you're dealing with holler folks and moonshine and bare feet and 14 year old pregnant girls who use words like "'em" and "aint none"

So you pretty much know what's up from word go.

MT ain't that.  No those fuckers are sneaky crazy.  Like crazy crazy.  They'll actually appear normal and help you load your groceries into your cur but then you turn around and their in a '68 Chrysler fapping.  THAT kinda crazy  And you're a dude and he's a dude and he's fapping and when you look at him all wide-eyed like "WTF?" he just smiles and faps.  That is montana crazy.

Posted by: tangonine at October 31, 2013 01:39 PM (x3YFz)

145 You sure you aren't confusing Montana with Kentucky?

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:41 PM (u25eL)

146 You sure you aren't confusing Montana with Kentucky?

Posted by: jewells45 trying to keep from going crazy at October 31, 2013 01:41 PM (u25eL)

147 Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 06:37 PM (uzPgI)

I agree, but that isn't the trade that is being made.  It looks to me like it's a "my turn bitches" thing, not a consolidation of conservative power.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 31, 2013 01:42 PM (XdnQT)

148 Posted by: wheatie at October 31, 2013 06:37 PM (uzPgI)

I agree, but that isn't the trade that is being made.  It looks to me like it's a "my turn bitches" thing, not a consolidation of conservative power.

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 31, 2013 01:42 PM (XdnQT)

149 >>>Oh yeah. I've been to nearly every state in the union, including Utah and MT makes Utah look sane. Cajuns from LA called and said "emmer unright annn dunnna go em way."

Muck Fontanna. Crazy people like you wouldn't believe.<<<

Dude.  If you ain't packin', you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Fritz at October 31, 2013 01:44 PM (TKFmG)

150 Doesn't matter if the Searchlight Strangler won't bring RJ's bill to the floor. The win is in the House bringing it to the Senate, period. R's aren't trying to defund it. They're just trying to keep Barak's original promise that he made 213 times over a 3 year period. The kiddie fucker doesn't want to vote it? Fine. At that point, they just have to sit back and let Dem's explain why they oppose it. It's a win. Hands down. Like jumping the last row in checkers to take a piece and get a King. It's probably worth 2 add'l seats in that shithole, minimum.

Posted by: The GOP at October 31, 2013 01:48 PM (U4GjV)

151 This interference with strong Islamic king Barack Obama cannot be permitted. All shall be punished under the sharia.

Posted by: Boko Haram at October 31, 2013 01:49 PM (uetv9)

152 Late post on the *right* thread this time: Congress should pass, party line is fine, an exemption for Obamacare for *Republicans* (throw Libertarians, Constitution Party, etc in there). Sure, it won't be signed by the Pres or passed by the Senate, but this is just "rubbing it in their faces." The cry for Republicans to help Democrats fix their diarrhea stain kind of strikes me as "I'm sorry I put sugar in both our gas tanks even though you told me not to, but now you have to pay to fix both our cars." Fuck you, arrest warrant to follow.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 31, 2013 01:51 PM (qyfb5)

153 "I'd like to see a vote on it too, but I don't think it will see the light of day in the Senate. Democrats will call it a 'distraction' that shows the Rs aren't serious about fixing healthcare." Of course they'll say that, because that bill will hurt them and they don't want to get hurt. Fortunately for the country, we're not obliged to give a damn about what the Democrats say. We've spent the last four years cringing in the corner afraid of mean people saying mean things on TV, while the Democrats shamelessly lie about us no matter what we do or do not do. It's time we stop second guessing ourselves and start pushing back.

Posted by: GalosGann at October 31, 2013 01:59 PM (7L7PZ)

154 Unless companies are compelled to grandfather policies, the bill is a waste. Besides, I don't want to patch it up, I want it destroyed...let it burn.

Posted by: Woody at October 31, 2013 02:00 PM (07RHD)

155 "It's time we stop second guessing ourselves and start pushing back."

Are YOU kidding now? Have you ran this idea by the rino establishment? How about so called conservative bloggers?

Are YOU ready to be called the vilest of names by those who claim to hold the same views as you but have have nothing but their own selfishness at heart?

Posted by: GMB at October 31, 2013 02:06 PM (nkPV9)

156 But wait -- We can't trust Ron Johnson because he is a RINO!!!  Mark Levin said so!

Posted by: Alix at October 31, 2013 02:10 PM (wv50H)

157 McConnell will shut this down lickety-split!

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 31, 2013 02:11 PM (qvify)

158 #144 Check your grocery bags....

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at October 31, 2013 02:13 PM (qvify)

159 When I worked for Holly Sugar, I spent time in Sidney and Hardin Montana. Hardin was near a reservation so it wasn't a very nice place.  I seen great scenery while driving from one location to another.  A part of Jellystone is in Montana.

Posted by: Ronster at October 31, 2013 02:42 PM (ATHJ6)

160 I got my cancellation letter last week. Maybe I'll send a copy to the Dipshit from Montana.

Posted by: Half Off at October 31, 2013 03:23 PM (JwUOg)

161 Why doesn't King Barry just grant a "waiver" to these health insurance companies, to allow them to keep selling the plans? King Barry gave Obamacare waivers to all kinds of Democrat donors. But he won't grant waivers to the millions of people who just lost their healthcare.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 31, 2013 05:16 PM (VMODY)

162 After Holocast Deniers, then Climate Change Deniers, now the first O-care Denier.

Posted by: Socalcon at October 31, 2013 05:56 PM (K6CHr)

163 Right. Anyone who thought Cruz's methods were wrong was really in favor of Obamacare. Posted by: pep at October 31, 2013 05:59 PM (6TB1Z ------- And all the while GOPe supporters decried Cruzes "tactics".

Posted by: Socalcon at October 31, 2013 06:03 PM (K6CHr)

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