April 30, 2012

Long "Prometheus" Trailer
— Ace

Spectacular visuals. The CGI here looks real and not over-used.

The plot seems like it's just a variation on Alien, which is understandable, I guess, but I sure wish that Hollywood would do something different once in a while. Even when it comes to a very likely hit -- a sound investment unlikely to lose money -- they still can't depart far from their Woobies of previously-popular plots.

I'll start doing some politics. I'm looking, I'm looking!

Thanks to CDRM.

On the topic of tentpole movies -- this guy says The Avengers is the best of the Marvel movies, which is pretty high praise.

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1 I watched Ghost Protocol over the weekend and it was better than I was expecting.

Posted by: toby928© at April 30, 2012 07:02 AM (NG097)

2 I am really looking forward to this movie.

I'm tuning up this week with the director's cut of Aliens.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 30, 2012 07:02 AM (nEUpB)

3 I'd stick a Jamaican talking rabbit into that baby.  And a cute kid.

Posted by: George Lucas at April 30, 2012 07:02 AM (QKKT0)

4 Woobie? Should you call your doctor if you have one for more than 4 hours?

Posted by: joncelli, too stressed by half at April 30, 2012 07:03 AM (RD7QR)

5 Fassbender...is...teh hotness.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 07:04 AM (cB+Hn)

6 I also watched Hanna, which was ... strange.

Posted by: toby928© at April 30, 2012 07:05 AM (NG097)

7 1 I watched Ghost Protocol over the weekend and it was better than I was expecting.

Same here, i thought it was great.

Posted by: booger at April 30, 2012 07:05 AM (HI6wa)

8 They told too much of the story in this trailer. Now I'm not very excited about the movie.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2012 07:05 AM (Pi5Sz)

9 A remake per se ain't necessarily bad.  A lot of what Shakespeare wrote was remakes of old stuff.

Posted by: Huusker at April 30, 2012 07:06 AM (Vq7P1)

10 I'm in. Looks Arclight-worthy, so I'll drive down to Hollywood.

Posted by: Cicero at April 30, 2012 07:07 AM (QKKT0)

11 The plot seems like it's just a variation on Alien, which is understandable

They get to the backstory of the "Space Jockey" which you briefly glimpse in the trailer.  I'm stoked, because the rest of the Alien movies after 1986's "Aliens" was utter crap, especially the AvP movie.  I'm looking forward to Ridley Scott taking back what was his and restoring some of the glory.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:07 AM (GQ8sn)

12
Looking for politics?

How about The Hammer lamenting the fact that Jeb Bush's last name is Bush?

The Hammer then suggests Jeb change his last name...

to Ochocinco.


Posted by: soothie at April 30, 2012 07:08 AM (G/zuv)

13
Is that Stringer Bell from The Wire?

Posted by: soothie at April 30, 2012 07:09 AM (G/zuv)

14 The plot seems like it's just a variation on Alien, which is understandable, I guess

That's because Prometheus is a Prequel to Alien.

Posted by: Naqamel at April 30, 2012 07:09 AM (UMwMT)

15 I'll start doing some politics. I'm looking, I'm looking!

Look on Hot Air for the story that windmill farms cause, wait for it, wait........








Global Warming!

Posted by: pep at April 30, 2012 07:09 AM (YXmuI)

16 they still can't depart far from their Woobies of previously-popular plots.

What are "woobies"?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 30, 2012 07:09 AM (Pi5Sz)

17 Is that Stringer Bell from The Wire?

It is.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:11 AM (GQ8sn)

18 My sci-fi action figures starting glowing during this awesome trailer! Good enough for me to risk venturing out of the basement! Can.Not.Wait!!  Where's my inhaler?!

Posted by: Fan Boy League at April 30, 2012 07:11 AM (c3mby)

19 With a genre that's as old as Verne, truly fresh stories are hard to come by.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 30, 2012 07:11 AM (dtD3y)

20 What are "woobies"?

Like Linus's security blanket, think it comes from the old movie Mr Mom.

Posted by: booger at April 30, 2012 07:12 AM (HI6wa)

21 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 07:13 AM (8y9MW)

22 Here's an oddball of a story.


CNS News - Dartmouth: Dorm Assignments Will Not be 'Limited by Traditional Gender Binary'


http://tinyurl.com/bpm5xpe



Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 30, 2012 07:14 AM (MqNsE)

23 Should be a good movie. The viral trailers have been great. It's to bad they screwed up the ARG though.

Posted by: NJRob at April 30, 2012 07:14 AM (FVp26)

24 I'll start doing some politics. I'm looking, I'm looking!

Not to toot my own horn (okay, a little) but I can think of a place where some topics not yet covered in main posts have been covered- maybe one of those could spark some inspiration?  Other Morons have blogs, too, btw- I'm sure they'd love some link-love.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 07:14 AM (8y9MW)

25 Woke up ready to be productive.  Then remembered Internet.

Posted by: Truman North at April 30, 2012 07:14 AM (I2LwF)

26

So okay. .....In the various movies with these 'zenomorph' Aliens...we've learned that they take on characteristics of the host that they incubate inside of.

 

I watched an interview of Ridley Scott, where he said that 'Prometheus' takes us in an "alternate" direction, in the storyline of these creatures. .....So, I guess we are going to see some information that was not covered before, in any of the other Aliens movies.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 07:15 AM (cB+Hn)

27 Ace, this is the prequel of ALIEN, directed by the same director as the original, based on the background info developed by the same for the same in the '70's. Having it "similar" to ALIEN is expected. Since, you know, it has to be similar since it's like the prequel, made by the same guy, based on the same story, only earlier.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 30, 2012 07:15 AM (YSyyZ)

28 It is.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 12:11 PM (GQ8sn)


doing a bad Texan accent. His American accent is okay but dude did not nail Texan

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 07:16 AM (M8yfa)

29 As Naqamel said - Prometheus looks so much like Alien because it's a freaking prequel!  Duh...

Posted by: Norcross at April 30, 2012 07:16 AM (RM0br)

30 Since, you know, it has to be similar since it's like the prequel, made by the same guy, based on the same story, only earlier.

Nice theory, but how does that explain the abysmal level of the new Star Wars movies?

Posted by: pep at April 30, 2012 07:17 AM (YXmuI)

31

I like beating old people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to the car so I can open the door for them

Posted by: Truman North at April 30, 2012 07:17 AM (I2LwF)

32
Can someone please parody Bill Clinton's praise of Obama's gutsy call and make it about Clinton's gutsy call to ejaculate on Monica instead of in her pie hole.

kthnxbai

Posted by: soothie at April 30, 2012 07:19 AM (G/zuv)

33 Pep, touche dude, touche.

Posted by: Huusker at April 30, 2012 07:20 AM (Vq7P1)

34 Since, you know, it has to be similar since it's like the prequel, made by the same guy, based on the same story, only earlier.

But the original story was totally inconsistent.  If it hadn't been for the scene of the "alien" popping out of that British guy's stomach (which was done in a ridiculously campy way) Alien would have come and gone without anyone noticing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:20 AM (X3lox)

35 >>Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

And he eats dogs. 

And dicks. 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 30, 2012 07:20 AM (ZKzrr)

36 Bought Farmville For Dummies... couldn't understand it

Posted by: Truman North at April 30, 2012 07:21 AM (I2LwF)

37 pep; Star Wars was originally made in collaboration with Lucas's ex-wife. TESB was a different (better) director with a story based on Leigh Brackett's screenplay. TPM and the other two prequels were entirely made by George. George has terrible ideas. He needs people to remind him how terrible and to slap him in the gullet when he writes crap scenes like the Jar-Jar steppin' in shit scene. In short, Lucas was not beaten enough and we got his first draft. He needs to be beaten, perhaps later he'll make a decent short film.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 30, 2012 07:21 AM (YSyyZ)

38 Alien would have come and gone without anyone noticing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:20 PM (X3lox)


Alien had a bad ass figure and it came out when there wasn't really any bad ass heroines. Plus the film was crawling with style

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 07:22 AM (M8yfa)

39 Whatever happened to that alien's acid bolld (which just about burned through the hull, once?  That alien was taking hits and cuts and all sorts of abuse later in the movie and I never saw another drop of killer acid blood.  What happened to it ... other than poor writing?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:22 AM (X3lox)

40 And also mention it was Bill Clinton who was too busy chasing interns to make the gutsy call himself when the opportunity arrived?

Posted by: soothie at April 30, 2012 07:22 AM (G/zuv)

41 That's "acid blood". 

I was writing in Austrian.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:22 AM (X3lox)

42 I watched an interview of Ridley Scott, where he said that 'Prometheus' takes us in an "alternate" direction, in the storyline of these creatures. .....So, I guess we are going to see some information that was not covered before, in any of the other Aliens movies.

According to some leaked stuff I read, that may or may not be accurate, Prometheus is about the beings behind the alien xenomorphs from the previous movies.  They are described as biological weapons created to "cleanse" a planet before the creator beings, known as Engineers from the leaked materials, step in and terraform it to their purposes.

The leaked script (if accurate) describes some other things that seem to match the snippets from the trailer.  If it is indeed the real thing, then there's a little more content the trailer ISN'T showing that will make me glad to pay $12 for a ticket.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:24 AM (GQ8sn)

43 34 Since, you know, it has to be similar since it's like the prequel, made by the same guy, based on the same story, only earlier.

But the original story was totally inconsistent. If it hadn't been for the scene of the "alien" popping out of that British guy's stomach (which was done in a ridiculously campy way) Alien would have come and gone without anyone noticing.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:20 PM (X3lox)

***


I'm going to assume you're very young.  Or at least, weren't of age in 1979.

Posted by: Kerry at April 30, 2012 07:25 AM (a/VXa)

44

30Since, you know, it has to be similar since it's like the prequel, made by the same guy, based on the same story, only earlier.

 

 

Nice theory, but how does that explain the abysmal level of the new Star Wars movies?
 

 

I think we are seeing that....while, 20 years of advancements and inovations in movie-making technology are able to make a movie more visually exciting.....20 years of boneheaded political correctness, can seriously retard creative writing and story-telling.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 07:26 AM (cB+Hn)

45 34 But the original story was totally inconsistent. It was because several scenes were cut due to them being too much of a reveal. The "lore" of the setting is that the elephant guy (dead skeleton alien in the derelict ship) was a member of a civilization that used the xenomorphs as a bioweapon. They'd shoot them into a target planet, preferably in a less-developed area. The xenos would use non-sapient wildlife to produce a variety of sizes and environment-suitable body shapes. They'd then eat and tarantula-hawk the enemy sapients and leave the planet a ball of writhing, hissing acid-blooded venom. Completely unusuable for their enemies. The ship they found in ALIEN was a warship whose weapon containment went haywire.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 30, 2012 07:26 AM (YSyyZ)

46 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:20 PM (X3lox)***

I'm going to assume you're very young. Or at least, weren't of age in 1979.

Posted by: Kerry at April 30, 2012 12:25 PM (a/VXa)



Incorrect.  You should assume that I saw the movie and that I have a sense of logical consistency (which I tend to like in my stories, most of all in my "science fiction" stories (which Alien was not, of course).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:27 AM (X3lox)

47 Pretty sure this movie is a prequel to the Alien series isnt' it?

Posted by: Voidseeker at April 30, 2012 07:27 AM (X1k9r)

48 I can't wait to see Titanic II, where Clive Palmer's new luxury liner gets hit by a big f*cking SMOD.

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2012 07:27 AM (/ZZCn)

49 Now this is a picture of a REAL President on a bicycle.  Not a SCOAMF.

Clicky on my name.

Posted by: mpfs at April 30, 2012 07:28 AM (iYbLN)

50 They are described as biological weapons created to "cleanse" a planet before the creator beings, known as Engineers from the leaked materials, step in and terraform it to their purposes.

Wasn't there an SG-1 episode with planet cleansing ships in advance of terraforming? 

And of course Ringworld - those engineers didn't just cleanse planets, they cleansed whole solar systems.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 30, 2012 07:28 AM (dtD3y)

51 I friend once said that "Alien" was a Haunted House in Space story.  Yup.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 30, 2012 07:30 AM (O3R/2)

52
..... if I even HEAR a Predator in that movie..... Im out.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 30, 2012 07:30 AM (C8hzL)

53 Wasn't there an SG-1 episode with planet cleansing ships in advance of terraforming?

Could have been, I forget.  And there's over 10 seasons of eps to remember.

The whole "cleansing" weapon thing has been done before many, many times in other books and series.  Babylon 5 had the Shadows and Vorlons with their own "planet killer" weapons, trying to carve out territory amonst themselves.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)

54 Looking for politics? How about The Hammer lamenting the fact that Jeb Bush's last name is Bush? The Hammer then suggests Jeb change his last name... to Ochocinco. Posted by: soothie at April 30, 2012 12:08 PM (G/zuv) ------------------------------------------------- Or how about Jeb World Peace?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 30, 2012 07:32 AM (jucos)

55 So I was wondering, "Prometheus was the fire stealer who chained to a rock, right?"


At Wikipedia I found:


Karl Marx was greatly influenced by the story of Prometheus, and called him "the greatest saint and martyr of the philosopher's calendar";[3] since then, Prometheus has become a general symbol for socialism and communism


Fitting.

Posted by: fluffy at April 30, 2012 07:32 AM (z9HTb)

56 So the Prometheus is a Firefly class freighter then?

C'mon, I can't be the only one that sees the resemblance.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at April 30, 2012 07:32 AM (0q2P7)

57 Better yet, Jeb Whirled Peas

Posted by: Jimbo at April 30, 2012 07:32 AM (O3R/2)

58 It was because several scenes were cut due to them being too much of a reveal.

No.  It was just inconsistent and made no sense.  It would not have been fixed by adding any scenes.

The same problems occurs in The Thing (the way the Thing reacts changes through the movie, mostly because of poor and lazy writers).  You get the same idiocy in Terminator (where the first couple of times Arnie is shot he goes down and takes a minute to get himself together and get back up - then, later in the movie they just dispense with that (too boring to show on scren every time) and just have Arnie keep going while getting shot worse than the ones that put him out for a minute before.

Lots of movies do this, because there are so many mediocre writers around who can't be bothered to take the real effort necessary to make a consistent story.

The fact is that the writers would change the alien on a whim (in any way they wanted) and figured that movie-goers would be caught up in the action and forget about the inconsistencies.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:34 AM (X3lox)

59

50....Wasn't there an SG-1 episode with planet cleansing ships in advance of terraforming?

 

Yep. Sure was. .....And the advanced alien species was a xenomorph-looking type of being.

 

There was also some 'planet cleansing' in that Outlander movie, with Jim Caviesle (sp?).

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 07:34 AM (cB+Hn)

60 There was also some 'planet cleansing' in that Outlander movie, with Jim Caviesle (sp?).

Nukes?

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:36 AM (GQ8sn)

61 Woke up ready to be productive. Then remembered Internet.


I am stealing that.


This does look really interesting. That makes two movies with Charlize Theron I'm looking forward to seeing now. The other is Snow White and the Huntsman where it looks like they are making the actual fairy tale which is really really dark.   The trailer for it looks very creepy and awesome.


As far as Avengers, I saw something the other day that sums up my view - Guns don't kill people. Joss Whedon kills people. (No bitterness like a fangirl betrayed) A friend of mine in Australia has seen it four times already though.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 07:36 AM (Gk3SS)

62 As far as Avengers, I saw something the other day that sums up my view - Guns don't kill people. Joss Whedon kills people. (No bitterness like a fangirl betrayed)

Explain please.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:39 AM (GQ8sn)

63

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:34 PM (X3lox) <<<<

 

Never going to a movie with you, pal.  Itd be like going to dinner with my old chef - he was never looking for enjoyment, just things to criticize.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2012 07:40 AM (8FQ6f)

64 Explain please.


I was a Buffy fangirl. No, like BUFFY FANGIRL ELEVENTY. And then Tara. And then the stuff with Spike. And then I developed a SCOAMT like hatred of Whedon. I flatly refuse to watch anything he does. 


On the Ghost Protocol thing, it was so great because a.  Brad Bird and b.  it set out to be the very best popcorn muncher summer movie it could.  It wasn't trying to make any type of grand statement other than holy fuck that building is tall.  Bird focused on making a fun movie and guess what?  It was a fun movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at April 30, 2012 07:43 AM (Gk3SS)

65 Either way, it looks like the Space Jockey's are the antagonist in this movie and not the Xenomorph's. It looks like it's going to be a good movie, but how will it stand up against the other summer blockbusters?

Posted by: NJRob at April 30, 2012 07:44 AM (FVp26)

66 Never going to a movie with you, pal. Itd be like going to dinner with my old chef - he was never looking for enjoyment, just things to criticize.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2012 12:40 PM (8FQ6f)



If your meal had dog in it, you would probably want your chef to tell you, even if it tasted good at the moment.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:44 AM (X3lox)

67 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:34 PM (X3lox) The only other damage the Alien takes is when it's ejected from the shuttle. I fear for the integrity of your memory. No, getting beat with a crowbar doesn't count as "damage " to a critter with an apparent exoskeleton.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 07:47 AM (ZWl+u)

68 I was a Buffy fangirl. No, like BUFFY FANGIRL ELEVENTY. And then Tara. And then the stuff with Spike. And then I developed a SCOAMT like hatred of Whedon. I flatly refuse to watch anything he does.

I honestly don't get the Whedon-love.  No wait, it more like The Cult of Whedon.  I could have cared less that Firefly got cancelled, never really got into it when it first ran.  Then I re-watched it from all the cajoling from friends who said, "the writing and characters are SO AWESOME!!!!".  Nope.  Still didn't get it.  There's an awful lot of Whedon dick-sucking out there and I don't see why.  I'll watch Avengers sure, but it won't make me change my mind about him.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 07:48 AM (GQ8sn)

69 If your meal had dog in it, you would probably want your chef to tell you, even if it tasted good at the moment.

How suspicious of their meals were the attendees at WHCD?

Posted by: Retread at April 30, 2012 07:48 AM (joSBv)

70 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:34 PM (X3lox) Please cite when in the first Terminators that Armies was shot with a shotgun and did not go down.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 07:49 AM (ZWl+u)

71 It looks like it's going to be a good movie, but how will it stand up against the other summer blockbusters?

Posted by: NJRob at April 30, 2012 12:44 PM (FVp26)


Only a a few that I'm interested in: Snow White, Avengers, ParaNormal and this

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 07:49 AM (M8yfa)

72 Please cite when in the first Terminators that Armies was shot with a shotgun and did not go down.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 12:49 PM (ZWl+u)



He gets shot, run over, beat, bombed, burned ... all through the movie, but never gets "knocked out" as he did in the first scenes in the club when he went down and gave the two a chance to get away the first time.

Also, Arnie can barely speak English as the Terminator, but he can mimic exactly anyone else's voice and accent in a second (the cop and the mother).  It just doesn't make any sense, at all.  And it was unnecessary, as Arnie didn't need to do the two voice mimic scenes.  Those scenes contributed nothing to the plot but added a glaring problem.

Don't blame me for that.  I didn't write.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 07:52 AM (X3lox)

73 Aren't there 2 Snow White films coming out?

Posted by: Jimbo at April 30, 2012 07:53 AM (O3R/2)

74

42.....The leaked script (if accurate) describes some other things that seem to match the snippets from the trailer

 

You mean the 'Ancient Aliens' aspect? .....I'm thinking that that was what Ridley Scott was alluding to.

 

It's like they went searching for something....based on the clues they found around earth. ....And it led them to this planet with the ancient crashed ship.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 07:54 AM (cB+Hn)

75 The first Alien was somewhat deliberately inconsistent--especially in the appearance of the Alien--to keep the viewer discombobulated. It was supposed to have a nightmarish quality.


One can *prefer* "logical consistency" in films, but that doesn't mean the only way to measure a film is by that single aesthetic. In a puzzle movie in which the viewer is trying to figure something out, for example, that would make more sense than one in which the goal is suspense and horror.

As I recall, however, the movie was pretty faithful to the acid blood stipulation (even though the Alien did change a lot as it developed, going through metamorphic stages). I don't recall its being cut in the first film after it reached maturity.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 30, 2012 07:55 AM (t28jU)

76 Aren't there 2 Snow White films coming out?

Posted by: Jimbo at April 30, 2012 12:53 PM (O3R/2)


Mirror Mirror which is already out and Snow White and the Huntsman

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 07:56 AM (M8yfa)

77 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:52 PM (X3lox) Every time he was shot with a shotgun he was knocked over. Which wouldn't happen, but that's beside the point. The other times it was with small caliber rifles or pistols. Both times he was blown up, with the truck or with the pipe bomb, he checked out for a minute or two. I fail to see the inconsistency.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 07:57 AM (ZWl+u)

78 The big problem with both Alien and The Thing is that the critters pull biomass and ATP (or the functional equivalent) from nowhere...especially in Alien. But that's not an in - universe thing.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 07:59 AM (ZWl+u)

79 You mean the 'Ancient Aliens' aspect? .....I'm thinking that that was what Ridley Scott was alluding to.

It's like they went searching for something....based on the clues they found around earth. ....And it led them to this planet with the ancient crashed ship.




Not just that.  There's other stuff in the leaked script that other bits about Meredith Vickers and the Engineers, David, and the planet they land on. 

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 08:00 AM (GQ8sn)

80 The other times it was with small caliber rifles or pistols.

A nail of small caliber fire ... over and over.  And I think there were even a couple of shotguns in the police station scene, too.

I loved the original Terminator, inconsistencies and all.  It was very enjoyable for what it was and you can't demand too much out of writers, in general.  They're writers, not thinkers. 

I was just offended that anyone would want to try to make a sequel from an inconsistent story.  That's nasty.  They are given the leeway of the suspension of disbelief for a couple of hours, but they are violating all sorts of rules of common intellectual decency by trying to stretch requirement of disbelief that over months and years and an ever growing, increasingly brittle, inconsistent tale.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 08:04 AM (X3lox)

81

And it was unnecessary, as Arnie didn't need to do the two voice mimic scenes. Those scenes contributed nothing to the plot but added a glaring problem.<<<

 

Dude.  It's a movie.  About a fucking killer robot.  That goes back in time.

 

And you're concerned that his fucking ACCENT is implausible?

 

If you don't see the humor in that, there is no hope for you.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 30, 2012 08:05 AM (8FQ6f)

82 A nail of small caliber fire


Errrrr ... a HAIL of small caliber fire.

Oy.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 08:05 AM (X3lox)

83 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 01:05 PM (X3lox) Uhh, that's not a problem. The impulse from a shotgun compared to a series of. 223 bullets is clearly different.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at April 30, 2012 08:11 AM (ZWl+u)

84 >>>No. It was just inconsistent and made no sense. It would not have been fixed by adding any scenes.

The same problems occurs in The Thing


You have Aspergers, don't you?

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 30, 2012 08:15 AM (irCrF)

85 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 12:52 PM (X3lox)

Meh...they're movies. Rare are they "realistic" or always make sense.

Posted by: Chris at April 30, 2012 08:17 AM (gI9Bk)

86 >>>I was just offended that anyone would want to try to make a sequel from an inconsistent story. That's nasty. They are given the leeway of the suspension of disbelief for a couple of hours, but they are violating all sorts of rules of common intellectual decency by trying to stretch requirement of disbelief that over months and years and an ever growing, increasingly brittle, inconsistent tale.

No, really -- Aspergers, right?  Either that or you're the most insufferable human being on the planet.  Making a sequel to Terminator and Alien is a violation of common intellectual decency that offends you?

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 30, 2012 08:18 AM (irCrF)

87

Re: Hollywood's lack of originality.

 

It bothers me too, and the kicker is that there is SO much original material to be mined. Any one of John Connolly's novels would  make a great movie, or Carsten Stroud"s (his novel Black Water Transit was in production, but I can only assume some studio fucked that up.)

 

Or how about any of the dozens of war memoirs that have come out of Iraq and Afghanistan? None of those are filmable? Or are the politics not right for you Hollywood assholes?

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 30, 2012 08:22 AM (osx1V)

88 Making a sequel to Terminator and Alien is a violation of common intellectual decency that offends you?

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 30, 2012 01:18 PM (irCrF)



That was hyperbole, obviously.  You have no sense of humor.  I'm not surprised that you have no sense of consistency, either.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 30, 2012 08:22 AM (X3lox)

89

79.....
Not just that. There's other stuff in the leaked script that other bits about Meredith Vickers and the Engineers, David, and the planet they land on.

 

Ah. ....Yeah, you can sorta get that from the 'vibe' of the clips shown here in this newer trailer.

 

It also jibes with what Ridley Scott said in that interview. ....He mentioned how a prequel can give you the opportunity to go back, and take the storyline into a 'different direction' from what has been covered in the other movies.

 

I'm thinking that the 'genetic manipulation' aspect....the fact that the xenomorphs are designed to take on genetic aspects of the organisms that they impregnate.....will factor into this. 

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 08:24 AM (cB+Hn)

90 I'm still waiting for the movie treatment of Cyteen, Downbelow Station, or The Pride of Chanur.  Any of which would make a fine Syfi, and in the case of Cyteen, a mystery as well.

Posted by: toby928© at April 30, 2012 08:26 AM (NG097)

91

Primordial, I'm afraid you are the humourless one...and BTW, I don't recall inconsitency with acid blood...In Alien they only disvcover it once, and that''s why they use fire, in hopes of driving to an air lock and out into space.

 

In Aliens, the Marines discover several areas where the aliens “bled” and melted thru the decking of the colonists OpÂ’s area.  In fact, both Drake and Hicks are wounded by the Alien “blood.”

 

Sorry, youÂ’re just arguing to be arguing.

 

 

Posted by: Joe at April 30, 2012 08:26 AM (VlO3J)

92 Meh.  Looks like "Alien vs. Predator" and even starts with the same idea.  Good thing I prevented myself from getting excited about this.  "Alien" is one of my all-time favorite films. 

I'll probably see this when it makes its way to Netflix.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 30, 2012 08:27 AM (i0App)

93 It bothers me too, and the kicker is that there is SO much original material to be mined. Any one of John Connolly's novels would make a great movie, or Carsten Stroud"s (his novel Black Water Transit was in production, but I can only assume some studio fucked that up.)

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 30, 2012 01:22 PM (osx1V)


you bring up crime novels and you bring up John fucking Connolly? Seriously? If you want to name a writer, it's Ken Bruen all the way

Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 08:31 AM (M8yfa)

94 You're talking about TENTPOLE movies after that BMW story? ISWYDT

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 30, 2012 08:32 AM (5H1lG)

95 Love these trailers where I feel like Ive basically already seen the movie.  Looks like Alien to me.

Why is it when we encounter highly advanced alien races capable of amazing technology they are always very gooey bug like creatures who want to eat our brains?

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 30, 2012 08:33 AM (hlUJY)

96 Posted by: The Dude at April 30, 2012 12:49 PM (M8yfa) ------------------------------------- Not interested in the new Batman movie? Really?

Posted by: NJRob at April 30, 2012 08:35 AM (FVp26)

97 Ah. ....Yeah, you can sorta get that from the 'vibe' of the clips shown here in this newer trailer.

It also jibes with what Ridley Scott said in that interview. ....He mentioned how a prequel can give you the opportunity to go back, and take the storyline into a 'different direction' fromwhathas been covered in the other movies.

I'm thinking that the 'genetic manipulation' aspect....the fact that thexenomorphs are designed to take on genetic aspects of the organisms that they impregnate.....will factor into this.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 01:24 PM (cB+Hn)



Yeah, Vickers knows more than the crew.  Let's just say, she is not surprised by what they find.

As for the genetic manipulation stuff, yeah there's an awful lot about it because of what the expedition finds in those containers in the "face room" and that close-up shot of David's fingers as he's showing off that goo substance.  That plays prominently in the movie.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 08:37 AM (GQ8sn)

98 While it's no secret that "David" (Michael Fassbender) is an android in Prometheus, everything I've seen of Charlize Theron's character suggests she too is an android.  If so, one may turn out to be "bad"  and the other "good" (with respect to the well-being of the crew).  David's fascination with the alien biotechnology suggests to be that he won't have the good of the crew in mind.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 08:42 AM (9eDbm)

99

I love the first two Alien movies, even Aliens III is tolerable-if you like being depressed, but the Alien as “Bio-Weapon” is absurd.  The Alien is like a Zombie, itÂ’s not a tool-user.  Tool-users donÂ’t lose to NON-tool-users.  The Alien was problematic in the first one, because the hyper drive circuitry was in the hull of the Nostromo, and if the Alien “bled” thru that, they didnÂ’t get home.  In Aliens, the nest was near the cooling system of the reactors, limiting the firepower that could be applied.  In anything but those constrained circumstances, the Alien loses to a technologically advanced foes, one with gun powder.

Posted by: Joe at April 30, 2012 08:42 AM (VlO3J)

100 everything I've seen of Charlize Theron's character suggests she too is an android.

I can't saying anything.


David's fascination with the alien biotechnology suggests to be that he won't have the good of the crew in mind.

Actually, David has the crew very much in mind.

Now, what I'm saying is all from the leaked script, so I may be caught out in the wind come later this summer.  It was still a fund read though.  I look forward to this movie.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 08:46 AM (GQ8sn)

101 say

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 08:47 AM (GQ8sn)

102 fun

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 08:47 AM (GQ8sn)

103

97.....Yeah, Vickers knows more than the crew. Let's just say, she is not surprised by what they find.As for the genetic manipulation stuff, yeah there's an awful lot about it because of what the expedition finds in those containers in the "face room" and that close-up shot of David's fingers as he's showing off that goo substance. That plays prominently in the movie.

 

Which fits with what we're shown here, when she says "I'm here to make sure you do your job".

 

 

98...While it's no secret that "David" (Michael Fassbender) is an android in Prometheus, everything I've seen of Charlize Theron's character suggests she too is an android.

 

Oh yeah.....I forgot about the androids being in the mix. ....This could be good. Even better than any of the other movies done so far, with this 'Alien' storyline.

 

Looking forward to it even more now, than I already was.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 08:52 AM (cB+Hn)

104 Oh and I forgot to mention that Charlize Theron does naked pushups in Prometheus.  In case any straight men were on the fence about watching this film.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 08:57 AM (9eDbm)

105 @100 if it's the same script draft that Harry Knowles claimed to have it's probably not all that accurate as a spoiler.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 09:00 AM (9eDbm)

106 Putting on my professional writer hat for a moment:

If Scott is even halfway smart (which he is), he'll make use of the analogy between the androids and the xenomorphs.

In other words humans are to androids as space jockeys are to xenomorphs. We created them, and they may be better than us.

Expect a conflict of loyalties on that basis.

I'm looking forward to this movie.

Posted by: Trimegistus at April 30, 2012 09:04 AM (4rD2K)

107

99 I love the first two Alien movies, even Aliens III is tolerable-if you like being depressed, but the Alien as “Bio-Weapon” is absurd. The Alien is like a Zombie, itÂ’s not a tool-user. Tool-users donÂ’t lose to NON-tool-users.

 

The Alien...is....the tool.

Posted by: wheatie at April 30, 2012 09:07 AM (cB+Hn)

108 @100 OK after a little industry reading I may have got the "good" and "bad" roles reversed.   Looking forward to this film!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 09:12 AM (9eDbm)

109 Sorry Wheatie, the Alien as "tool" still can't use an m-16, making it a very poor "tool."

Posted by: Joe at April 30, 2012 09:13 AM (VlO3J)

110 Good tool for wiping out a species, though shutting down this tool can be one of those "we hadn't thought of that yet" propositions.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 09:15 AM (9eDbm)

111 105 @100 if it's the same script draft that Harry Knowles claimed to have it's probably not all that accurate as a spoiler.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2012 02:00 PM (9eDbm)



Yeah, I read that.  Seems to me there are some inconsistencies between that script and this trailer.  Obviously, the Prometheus lands on the planet just fine and goes about its mission.  That aside, everything else in the trailer seems to have a link to the leaked script.  Nothing else besides the landing confirms or disproves the script......so far.

Posted by: EC at April 30, 2012 09:19 AM (GQ8sn)

112 The Nephilim I)">I)'>were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans J)">J)'>and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. K)">K)'>

Posted by: Enoch at April 30, 2012 09:22 AM (nBE5A)

113 Saw The Avengers a few weeks ago at a special screening. It is THE best Marvel movie.

Posted by: catmman at April 30, 2012 09:41 AM (C8XlI)

114

"you bring up crime novels and you bring up John fucking Connolly? "

 

What's your issue with John Connolly? The guy can write, creates well drawn and psychologically intriguing characters, and has tons of murderous badassery all through his books. It's not like I suggested James Patterson or some similarly unreadable hack, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 30, 2012 09:53 AM (L9Mr/)

115 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 30, 2012 12:44 PM (7W3wI)

116 Why is it when we encounter highly advanced alien races capable of amazing technology they are always very gooey bug like creatures who want to eat our brains?

Because when a technologically and/or immunologically superior species goes and visits the Incas, bad shit goes down for the Incas.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 30, 2012 02:36 PM (QTHTd)

117 My money is on it being a disappointment. Looks like minority report meets cider house rules landing on a bad remake of Aliens.  Oh well Rid Scott can take solace that even Matisse went back to a bad copy when he needed cash.

Posted by: rik at April 30, 2012 02:45 PM (+NiJx)

118 "The plot seems like it's just a variation on Alien, which is understandable, I guess, but I sure wish that Hollywood would do something different once in a while." The second movie, Aliens, was just a variation on the first movie, with more Aliens, weapons, battles, and strategy. It was very popular. The third movie tried to imitate the first and failed. The fourth tried to somewhat imitate the second and also failed. The fact is that fans want to see Aliens, humans, and battles. They just want it to be contained in an interesting story. Maybe by focusing on the back story to Alien, Ridley Scott will succeed. But be assured, FANS WANT THIS MOVIE.

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