November 29, 2005

Liberals Pledge: We'll "Connect The Dots" The Moment After An Attack Occurs
— Ace

Good piece from Lorie Byrd about Democrats who say, with some degree of pride, that they never acted to remove Saddam Hussein despite believing him to be a threat.

As Lorie says, it's a simple question. All intelligence is, by its nature, vague, fragmentary, and open to multiple interpretations. After 9/11, should our instinct be to act upon worrisome but incomplete information, or to refrain from acting?

Before 9/11, the nation did the former. And the Democratic Party wants to continue that policy. Because, you know, that worked so beautifully for us during the 80's, 90's, and early 00's.

The Democratic Party

Our national security policy is taking the old "wait and see" attitude. After all, what's the worse that could happen?

Posted by: Ace at 12:14 PM | Comments (18)
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1 A responsible leader can not wait and see anymore...
Before the invention of the airplane...
you could wait, cuz it took weeks to get troops to the next country...
Before the creation of the atomic bomb...
you could wait, cuz it took lots of airplanes to destory a city...

Now, a whole city could be gone in a flash...

Since the entire world was convinced that Saddam was a threat with his WMD...
responsible leaders acted.

Posted by: Marvin at November 29, 2005 12:38 PM (UXH11)

2 But...but...but...the sanctions were working. We just needed more time for the inspectors. There were no WMD. BUSH LIED!! Mother Sheehan is GOD!!

Posted by: rls at November 29, 2005 01:10 PM (Lh7Vt)

3 You mean GODDESS.


Posted by: Andrea Harris at November 29, 2005 02:29 PM (TpEFX)

4 Yeah, if there's an attack, they'll connect the dots. They'll form a non-partisan commission to connect the dots between the attack and a republican tax cut or something like that.

Posted by: SJKevin at November 29, 2005 02:30 PM (Sw8Cn)

5 The only time they want action to be taken to stop an attack beforehand is after its happened..... the only action they want done to stop the attack (after its happened) just happens to be exactly what is needed (and no more) .

Posted by: Wallcloud at November 29, 2005 06:29 PM (mRKB5)

6 The scumbag Dems and Moveon .org have commited their latest fraud in ad that they claim "they support the Troops" . Bull shit the lying traitors photoshopped a picture of british soldiers to look like US soldiers . Then added us style fatigues to a british soldier wearting shorts. See for yourself. When are we going to slit the troat of the lying liberal media?? And the treasonous Dimocraps. They don't run this country they just want to destroy it . Screw them!!

Posted by: L.A. ex-dem at November 30, 2005 03:34 AM (lKHOS)

7 This is nothing but a straw man argument. Weak. Guess this article was just an excuse for you conservative jerkoffs to have another 'agree-a-thon' about whatever nonsense it is that you so desperately need to hear each other confirm/conform. What a bunch of wankers. This site and this article is nothing but a wankoff for extremists. LOL at pathetic losers that buy into such tripe. You have no bearing on the real world. : )

Posted by: ErrinF at November 30, 2005 01:11 PM (AT/Vn)

8 LOL at pathetic losers that buy into such tripe.

Wow. Can we analyze this unique stlye of writing? I have never seen "LOL" used in such a manner. ErrinF has done something that most writers only dream about -- put their voices inside the reader's head. I actually heard ErrinF laughing out loud. It sounded like Mwahahaha Mwaaaaahahahaha
Mwaaaaaaahhahahhahahaha Ha!

Hey Errinf, did you watch President Bush's speech on television today? It was great, huh?

Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2005 01:29 PM (zg9BE)

9 ErrinF's vulgarity above is an absolute perfect illustration of liberal intellect and progressive debating skills.

One side reasons; the other side sounds like young ErrinF.

His post should not anger you - it should make you smile. It is the ultimate proof that poor ErrinF is losing .... and knows it.

As long as liberals are spewing their infantile hate .... I know something is right in the world. When they get quiet or start sounding rational -- that's when I'll worry.

Thanks, ErrinF -- for reminding us all of the obvious truth. Please post again soon, okay?

Posted by: Professor Blather at November 30, 2005 01:52 PM (tZNNg)

10 You have no bearing on the real world.

Well, aside from leading the free world, packing Congress with our guys, directing a free market economy to great new heights, and winning, winning, winning every. single. time.

Yeah, other than that we're a bunch of losers.

We just come here to bolster our low self esteem. Which we got from all the winning.

Posted by: lauraw at November 30, 2005 03:18 PM (ywZa8)

11 That was beautiful.

We'll take the old tried and tested "wait and see approach."

Yeah, that's the ticket.

These guys are a trip, aren't they.

Posted by: Dan at November 30, 2005 05:24 PM (pChIO)

12 Laura W.

Liked that brief post too.

Hey, all you libs, we're getting real tired of winning so often, so why don't you libs do something about it. I mean it gets awful tiresome having to win that much.

Nixon won over 40 states, Reagan won first 44, then followed that up by taking 49. GHWB too, got over 40 states.

And as for GW, well he is the first guy to get a genuine majority of the vote since your guy Carter eeked one out way back in '76, when he had the advantages of Watergate, the Nixon pardon and the dreadful aftermath of 'Nam and the ongoing Culture wars.

That's why the Dems need to hightail it to the Courts. That's the only place they can be sure they will find a receptive ear.

Posted by: Dan at November 30, 2005 05:29 PM (pChIO)

13 I'll concede that ErrinF's post didn't contain much reasoning. But this post just accentuates what hypocrisy can be found on this board:
"As long as liberals are spewing their infantile hate .... I know something is right in the world."

Might I point out this post from a little earlier?
"When are we going to slit the troat of the lying liberal media?? And the treasonous Dimocraps."

I think ErrinF's post kind of pales in comparison, don't you? It's rare that I see someone post a liberal viewpoint here without being met by resoponses ranging from threats of violence to plain old hateful invective.

And lauraw, is "we won, we won," all you really have to offer? Yes, you guys are in control. Losing the popular vote in 2000, then winning by one of the smallest margins in history in 2004 hardly means the whole world has become Republican, especially when you consider that the only thing that kept the Republicans from a net loss of seats in the last election was Tom DeLay's gerrymandering. I'm not one to predict victory with still a year to go until the elections, so let's just say enjoy it while it lasts. The pendulum swings both ways.

Posted by: Chris at November 30, 2005 07:22 PM (80Sf7)

14 Chris, you have nothing to offer this forum except rebuke for the commenters. All your comments are half scolding and half warning of bad things to come to the evil Republicans.

When Lauraw is serious, she can debate you into the ground. But since Lauraw has something you lack, a sense of humor and a personality, she doesn't need to waste her time with people like ErrinF who got exactly the response that was warranted.

Chris, I tried to explain this to the asshole once and I'll try it again with you, when commenters make sincere comments, agreeing or disagreeing, they will responded to in kind at AoS.

Conversely, if a commenter is a rude prick or a nasty troll, they shall be treated as such.

BTW, and I mean this sincerely, it is rather foolish trying to belittle the wins from the last two elections. If the shoe was on the other foot, you'd think the same thing -- a win is a win.

Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2005 07:43 PM (EixHX)

15 I think ErrinF's post kind of pales in comparison, don't you? It's rare that I see someone post a liberal viewpoint here without being met by resoponses ranging from threats of violence to plain old hateful invective.

Well, excuse us. When you all start making actual points instead of repeating the same tired soundbites over and over again, maybe we'll start to take your "arguments" seriously.

Until then, mockery and invective are what a lot of liberals have given for the last five years, and it's what they're going to get from us in return.

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow at December 01, 2005 03:44 AM (R8+nJ)

16 Why don't you people just admit it? You're idea of an intelligent post is one that agrees with everything you say. It's amazing that not one liberal poster rises to your lofty standards. There's points being made on both sides. If there are certain arguments that I make regarding the Plame outing, or the war in Iraq, or other issues, do you really expect them to be totally unique from the points any other poster has ever made? Dismissing them as "talking points" is just a weak way to avoid having to answer them. I'm sure many of my posts can be argued against, but I notice that most of the responses to my posts contain no refutations of my arguments, but plenty of ad hominem attacks. I post at a few right wing blogs because I like the debate and I like to hear what people who think differently than me have to say, and I can say that this is the biggest circle jerk I've ever seen. You guys spend so much time patting yourselves on the back and telling each othe how clever you are that you can't see that your arguments aren't particularly original, either. Your idea of originality is thinking of different ways to tell me that I'm a baby, for Christ's sake. That's what passes for lauraw's "humor."

It's inevitable that every thread will have one of you guys saying "But Bush lied!" or "Rove did it" or some other pithy comment that's supposed to pass as satire. Do you realize how many dozens of times I've seen similar posts in the relatively short time I've been coming here? And how many times I've seen references to how brilliant the regulars are?

A telling point was when personal information about Tubino was posted. I'm not trying to dredge up an old issue. Rather, what I found interesting was that Ace referred to Tubino as a troll. Fine, you don't like his points and don't think he argues honestly. But he does post links he's researched, and returns to threads to counter arguments. It appears the only thing that qualifies him as a troll is that he's from the other side of the aisle. Do ytou even know what a troll is? Perhaps he should have his throat slit.

Posted by: at December 01, 2005 05:42 PM (80Sf7)

17 A telling point was when personal information about Tubino was posted.

Perhaps you mean a "telling moment."
No personal information about the troll was posted, only a link to a website on the WWW, a city, and an occupation. I'm sure you'll argue that that is personal.

Ace referred to Tubino as a troll.

Ace is accurate with his designation.

[Tubino] does post links he's researched,

That's what makes him a troll. He spams the site with links to other liberal sites and blogs. It doesn't help his argument like you say, it makes him look like an ass.

Do ytou even know what a troll is?
Yes, a troll is someone like Tubino. We've covered that already.

Perhaps he should have his throat slit.

Well, he is a dispicable person. His gross enthusiasm to demoralize the war effort at every turn that American soldiers are dying for is reprehensible. But I'll leave the throat slitting of unarmed, peace-niks, the Islamofascists.

Your entire post is a clear indication of your jealously and of someone with a lot of spare time on his hands. Yes, it's true that we are by and large a happy who like each other. Unoriginal? Nah, you know that's not true or you wouldn't be so upset that you've been rejected.

Take a long hard look in the mirror some time and ask yourself if this site sucks so much, why waste your time with us dim bulbs?

Chances are you either Tubino or Chris.
You know the deal. You can't stomp into a site with the opposite ideology, run your mouth, drop links, try to piss on corn flakes and then feign indignation with complaints of lousy treatment.

I can't imagine me going to the DU or Atrios and telling everyone there how wrong they are, and how stupid they are, and then complain that I wasn't liked or treated well.

Posted by: at December 01, 2005 06:13 PM (HnsOI)

18 I appoint Mr. Fitzgerald to investigate the Toobeano leak case.

Posted by: George W Boosh at December 01, 2005 06:23 PM (HnsOI)

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