December 28, 2013

Lib Talk Radio: Dying? Or Maybe It Just Smells That Way [OregonMuse]
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One of the moonbat left's counters to Rush Limbaugh, Air America, briefly fizzled, and is now gone. And now, happily, other lib talkers are also going the way of the dodo. According to this:

2014 will mark the beginning of a massive change for liberal talk radio across the country. In New York, WWRL 1600 AM will flip to Spanish-language music and talk, throwing Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, and Alan Colmes off the air. In Los Angeles, KTLK 1150 will be dumping Stephanie Miller, Rhodes, Bill Press and David Cruz off the air in favor of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. In San Francisco, KNEW 960 will leave Miller, Hartmann, and Mike Malloy without a radio home in the market.

No doubt the progressives will complain that they're the victims of a conspiracy hatched by eeeeeevil corporations to silence their courageous dissenting voices. My response is to point out that in a sane and just world, most of the lib talk guys would be handing out towels in men's restrooms. Also, that if the mainstream media had been doing its job, Rush Limbaugh wouldn't have one. They don't seem to understand this.

I have always wondered why liberals thought they could succeed in talk radio. It seems to me obvious that the main problem they would have to face is one of market saturation. Conservative talk radio has successfully branded itself as 'the other voice'. I remember the early days of Rush Limbaugh where he'd get callers thanking him profusely just for airing views that they long held but never heard voiced on any of the big media outlets. Some restaurants even set up 'Rush rooms' were they would pipe in Rush's show to customers who wanted to hear it.

But with liberal talk radio, none of this is necessary. If you want to hear liberal and progressive views, all you have to do is turn on your TV or pick up a newspaper. The problem is not hearing liberal views, the problem is, where can you go to hear something else? Even Fox News. Liberals don't understand when you try to explain to them that Fox News isn't really "conservative", it's just a mainstream media outlet that allows some conservatives to talk on it. It only sounds conservative because you get to hear, however briefly, something other than the all-pervasive kultursmog of the liberal left.

But getting back to market saturation, I had to laugh when Air America announced they were going to set up an outlet in the San Francisco market. I thought, did they even research this?. Not only does SF have the alphabet networks and NPR, there's also KPFA, a radio station across the Bay in Berkeley that has been the voice of the progressive left for over 60 years. KPFA shows are professionally produced and presented, while over on Air America, it was pretty much amateur hour all the way. So what exactly was Air America going to be providing that Bay Area radio listeners can't get in the other progressive outlets?

Another problem was that some of those Air America guys sounded like spittle-flecked rage monkeys. This couldn't have helped.

So lib talk radio is a miserable failure. It failed in San Francisco. It failed all over the place. Even the Air America station in my college-town-liberal home of Eugene, Oregon gave it up after only a year or two. I listened to it a couple of times, but the local NPR affiliate did a much better job of broadcasting progressive-left news and opinions.

It boils down to this: if I'm a lefty, what does lib radio have to offer that I can't already get on MSNBC? Other than no Chris Matthews, I mean.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 06:51 AM | Comments (243)
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1 Suck it, lefites.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 28, 2013 06:58 AM (BAS5M)

2 They'll learn to like it in the reeducation camps

Posted by: Bill Ayers at December 28, 2013 07:00 AM (Pr6hk)

3 Leftward Media Bias?  Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 28, 2013 07:00 AM (Pr6hk)

4 Fake but accurate.

Posted by: Dan Rather at December 28, 2013 07:01 AM (Pr6hk)

5 crazy is always more compelling with video

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:01 AM (70Unk)

6 The default meme for the Left is not about persuasion, but about making you feel guilty. The Rights default is currently about Anger... at the Government (usually)... Why would someone listen to a talk show that just makes them feel guilty? when you can listen to a show with which EVERYONE agrees at least partially.... (that the Government angers people).

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2013 07:02 AM (lZBBB)

7 Kool-aid has limited amount to advertising dollars to spread around

Posted by: Jim Jones at December 28, 2013 07:03 AM (Pr6hk)

8 What do you mean liberals aren't funny and entertaining?

Did you ever hear the one about the shovel-ready jobs?

Posted by: Shecky Soetoro at December 28, 2013 07:04 AM (Pr6hk)

9 Morning thread almost went into overtime.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:05 AM (aDwsi)

10 Posted by: Jim Jones at December 28, 2013 12:03 PM (Pr6hk) And in reality... they didn't even use Kool Aid.... it was another brand of fruit drink.... But somehow that got into the Papers, so is now part of 'popular' history.... vice Factual History...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2013 07:05 AM (lZBBB)

11 I saw Kultursmog open for Rammstein in Bonn back in '05

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2013 07:06 AM (c2oll)

12 >>> Did you ever hear the one about the shovel-ready jobs? *** GONG!! ***

Posted by: Chuck Barris at December 28, 2013 07:06 AM (Ua6T/)

13 Keep spinning us... that'll solve the problem

Posted by: Titanic Deck Chairs at December 28, 2013 07:06 AM (Pr6hk)

14 If you want leftie opinions on your radio all you have to do is find a top 40 or a classic rock station. Any discussion of the news or current events is going to follow the same politically correct pattern. Even conservative talk radio has leftie counter programming every hour on the hour with ABC radio news or whatever network feed they are using.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 28, 2013 07:06 AM (P/gm7)

15 Eh, even leftards must get tired of hearing the mopery and snark that comprises their fantasy world view 24 hrs a day. Even diehard-idiots like Fluke or Pajama Boy only need to listen to three minutes of NPR or MSNBC to hear their talking points for the day.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 28, 2013 07:06 AM (KBvAm)

16 Liberal radio? Fuck, we pay for it with our taxes in NPR

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 07:07 AM (HVff2)

17 Logic is NOT their strong suit.
 
Onesies are.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 28, 2013 07:07 AM (wNF3N)

18 Pffft...New York? LA? San Francisco? It's not like those are big markets, and those towns are packed with conservatives anyway.

Posted by: Self Deluding Libtard at December 28, 2013 07:09 AM (18r9d)

19 This offers little comfort in the era of the Federal Empire.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2013 07:09 AM (EWsrI)

20 This hour of Democrat talking points is brought to you by unions.  Because who is going to pretend to fight for you after we've driven all the jobs overseas.

Posted by: UAW and SEIU at December 28, 2013 07:10 AM (Pr6hk)

21 National Public Radio Ever notice how adding the word "public" makes things sucky? Public library Public toilet Public parking

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2013 07:11 AM (c2oll)

22 Don't forget the beloved NFL whoring out Obamacare either

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 07:11 AM (HVff2)

23 And in reality... they didn't even use Kool Aid.... it was another brand of fruit drink.... Yeah, it was a competing product called Flavor Aid.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:12 AM (fd0Pp)

24 Please stay on the liberal plantation... pretty please.

Posted by: Colonel Sanders Soetoro at December 28, 2013 07:13 AM (Pr6hk)

25 10 And in reality... they didn't even use Kool Aid.... it was another brand of fruit drink.... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2013 12:05 PM (lZBBB) Flavor-Aid.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 07:13 AM (sdi6R)

26 "Did you ever hear the one about the shovel-ready jobs?" Or how about this one: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." High. Larious.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 28, 2013 07:14 AM (gUAr2)

27 Speaking of KPFA in Berkeley.... A couple of years ago I tuned it in and heard something pretty shocking. I managed to download th audio off their Web site later, and was going to make a report out of it...and never did. The report was an interview with some kind of Muslim fundamentalist/Black nationalist guy, who seemed to be combining both ideologies into one revolutionary aspiration. And he invited the listeners to join his revolution. I never made the exact transcript, but it essentially went like this: "Y'know, the racists try to misrepresent jihad. Jihad is anything you can do tom improve yourself and society, You don't even need to be among the faithful to join us. If you can type, that's your jihad, and we need you. If you can speak, join us. If you can organize people, we need you. And if you like shootin' people, we got a place in our organization for you too...." It was unreal. Typical day on KPFA.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 07:14 AM (+cx5n)

28 Clearly, we need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine, because it's not fair that liberal talk shows aren't as successful as conservative ones.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 07:15 AM (sdi6R)

29 Ah yes, KPFA. All Trotsky, all the time.

Posted by: JEM at December 28, 2013 07:15 AM (o+SC1)

30 Ever notice how adding the word "public" makes things sucky? Public library Public toilet Public parking Heh. Kind of like the word 'social', which negates the meaning of whatever noun that follows it: social science social justice

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:15 AM (fd0Pp)

31 You have a point, the guy that moves pianos. That's a big reason my family dropped Sirius radio, because even the hosts on the rock channels could not stop the leftist messaging. They had good background info on the music and the bands, but any chance they had, they threw the leftist stuff in as well. It was like they thought every listener agreed with their politics. Well, maybe they do now, if they've chased everybody else off.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 28, 2013 07:17 AM (WD0KF)

32 *crickets*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 28, 2013 07:18 AM (GjPnA)

33 Ah yes, KPFA. All Trotsky, all the time. Trotsky? I think Trotsky is too far to the right for the moonbats running KPFA. Hell, they probably broke out the champagne when the found him in Mexico with an ice pick in his head.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:18 AM (fd0Pp)

34 >>> Ah yes, KPFA. All Trotsky, all the time. This ice axe? Oh, just getting ready for my trip to the Sierras.

Posted by: pale, chubby smoker at December 28, 2013 07:18 AM (Ua6T/)

35 I hate Alex Jones but I am impressed with his little Empire, heck I think he and Beck have the same sponsors.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2013 07:20 AM (b6koZ)

36 Another problem was that some of those Air America guys sounded like spittle-flecked rage monkeys. This couldn't have helped. _________ Heh. Flinging poo, at that. Didn't we touch on the ratings vs. ad dollars, though? Did even all the hipster ad execs not spend $ on these lib "voice of reason" stations?

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 28, 2013 07:20 AM (T5QC5)

37 29 Ah yes, KPFA. All Trotsky, all the time. Posted by: JEM

How do they justify themselves having that transmitter and microphones and such?  Shouldn't that wealth be shared?

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:20 AM (6TB1Z)

38

 

10>>>> 

 

No it was kool aid, your just gonna have to trust me on this one...

Posted by: Hawaiian Punch at December 28, 2013 07:20 AM (GjPnA)

39 29 Ah yes, KPFA. All Trotsky, all the time. Posted by: JEM That's actually not true. Several years ago there was a huge rift in the staff and management, and each half of the people who work there were alternately picketing their own station when the other half were on the air! The dispute? Half were Trotskyites, and the other half were Stalinists! Seriously. And I think the Stalinists eventually won. Just like the 1920s all over again.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 07:20 AM (+cx5n)

40 Air America just needed better creases... a strong survey of local dry cleaners would have cleared things up.

Posted by: David Brooks at December 28, 2013 07:23 AM (Pr6hk)

41 I love how lefties claim that "those on the right are brainwashed by hate radio and faux news"

Using words and cliches physically and verbally cut and pasted from the MSM or big lefty blogs

They think we're brainwashed because they can't conceive of anyone actually using their own minds to come up with their own conclusions


Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2013 07:23 AM (aTXUx)

42 I still have the Audio from Air America when Bush won, it was very funny.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2013 07:23 AM (b6koZ)

43 "And if you like shootin' people, we got a place in our organization for you too...." You know, I would think that broadcasting some guy who's is openly recruiting violent men so they can shoot people would be a violation of some FCC rule, but I'm not up on my 1st amendment law, so maybe I'm just being naïve.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:23 AM (fd0Pp)

44

Muse, you live in Eugene? I went to college there. Eugene Bible College (Now "New Hope Christian) class of '97. It's a great town, but I couldn't settle there with my allergies.

The wife says Euphoria is having a half-off post-Christmas sale. It does us no good, but I thought you might like to know.

Great article, as always. I remember first hearing Rush in the early '90s. It was, as you say, so wonderful to hear what I believed voiced in the public arena.

Posted by: 29Victor at December 28, 2013 07:24 AM (ES9R7)

45 pep, it is important for them to be able to share the messaging. Just like it is important for celebrities to fly private jets across the world to preach about the dangers of global warming. They have a higher calling than us proles.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 28, 2013 07:24 AM (WD0KF)

46 OT: Insty link to a HuffPo piece I read, so you won't have to. 

11 Girly Things Men Wish They Could Do Without Judgement

1) More stylish clothes
2) Talk about other men being attractive
3) Girly drinks
4) Spa days
5) Carry a purse
6) Dance
7) Wear makeup
Get pampered by women
9) Wear yoga pants
10) Have fun with one's children
11) Show emotion

"Men", they keep using that word....etc etc

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:24 AM (6TB1Z)

47 hipster ad execs not spend $ on these lib "voice of reason" stations?

I remember a brief surge when AA came out.  Then reality set in when they realized it wasn't moving product.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:24 AM (70Unk)

48 I told the Air America people, 'Tickle Me Massa' dolls would have been great marketing swag

Posted by: Eric Massa at December 28, 2013 07:25 AM (Pr6hk)

49 It boils down to this: if I'm a lefty, what does lib radio have to offer that I can't already get on MSNBC? Two things. First, you DON'T have to look at them, a big plus Second, you might get some phone/radio sex

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2013 07:26 AM (0FSuD)

50 Bang!

Posted by: Randi Rhodes at December 28, 2013 07:26 AM (0It32)

51 Get pampered by women

I'm totally willing to be kept by an insanely wealthy heiress.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:26 AM (70Unk)

52 #18 Once had a lefty we were counterprotesting in Studio City tell me the LA and NY Times, along with the WaPo, were right-wing propaganda machines.

Posted by: Marvel Comics at December 28, 2013 07:27 AM (XO6WW)

53 Have you witnessed counter-revoluntionary behavior?  Contact AttachWatch today

Posted by: Attack Watch at December 28, 2013 07:27 AM (Pr6hk)

54 BTW, as to 10), I have had fun aplenty with my kids.  I've never felt self conscious about it, and wouldn't respect any man that did.  What this Ethan Krupp wannabe is talking about is acting like a 4 year old girl, and using his kid as cover to justify it. 

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:28 AM (6TB1Z)

55 Muse, you live in Eugene? I went to college there. Eugene Bible College (Now "New Hope Christian) class of '97. It's a great town, but I couldn't settle there with my allergies. Yeah, been here since 1983. Raised my family here. Graduated from UO in 1989. My son is the same as you, moved away from here as soon as he could due to his allergies.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:28 AM (fd0Pp)

56 Is everyone else's talk radio markets inundated with Ad Council spots?  I mean, ads purporting to teach parents how to talk to their children, how to get in shape, how to tell if they're fat, how to find jobs on the Internet...all apparently targeted at minorities. 

Who pays for this shit, and who in their target audience is listening to  Red Eye Radio at 3 am?

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at December 28, 2013 07:28 AM (qTaCH)

57 9 Morning thread almost went into overtime. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 12:05 PM (aDwsi) True dat. Going to break an old rule and root for UNC-CH. Obviously I am going soft, but who gives a shit about Cin? Besides every time I root for those assholes they lose. he he.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2013 07:28 AM (0FSuD)

58 51 Get pampered by women

I'm totally willing to be kept by an insanely wealthy heiress.
Posted by: Purp


I know, right?

Posted by: SoS John Kerry, pickle heir at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (6TB1Z)

59 Test

Posted by: tbodie at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (J3IzX)

60 I can confidently say that I am the only here here ever to appear on Air America. (I was interviewed on-air in their New York offices about one of my books.) I didn't dare take photos of the offices when I was there, but yes, it was as you expected: Every cubicle was covered in far-left/Obama/socialist slogans/messages/images etc. This was shortly pre-Occupy, but I'm quite sure that had I gone back the next year, it was have ben saturated with pro-OWS stuff too. The station has by now gone belly up, I think.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (+cx5n)

61 Perhaps some honest reporting on Benghazi would have created some buzz.

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (Pr6hk)

62 Actually, this kind of sucks for me. Currently, Limbaugh is on KFI 640 in the Los Angeles area. KFI has a fantastic signal. I've picked it up as far away as Las Vegas. 1150 AM? Can't get it at my house or throughout much of the Santa Clarita Valley area where I live.

While I get a bit of joy from the dismal failure of Air America (why would libs name themselves after a CIA operation?), this is going to make Limbaugh and others moved to 1150 AM completely inaccessible to many in the LA market. Though I don't really bother with Hannity now. I can't say I understand his popularity. He seems to be trying above his intellectual capacity much of the time. It may just be his vocal mannerisms. I find O'Reilly irritating for that reason. (Along with his general cluelessness on several subjects that he choose to discuss anyway.)

Posted by: Epobirs at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (bPxS6)

63 Nice post Oregon Muse, I kind of feel a similar way about Sean Hannity. If I want humorous conservative commentary I have Limbaugh, intellectual albeit enraged analysis Levin and Hannity? I mean I can train a retarded Parrot to be Hannity.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:29 AM (9jfyN)

64 >>It boils down to this: if I'm a lefty, what does lib radio have to offer that I can't already get on MSNBC?

Its on the radio.   So far as I know MSNBC isn't.

But you're spot on.

NPR is available in every media market in the country.  While personally I find most of it to be odiously liberal in perspective, and typically can't listen to it for more than 3 minutes, its professionally produced and clean.  If you love liberal radio, you can pretty much start and end there.

What something like "Air America" offers (at least in theory) is a purely POLITICAL liberal radio slant.   Just not sure that the liberal audience is really into that.



Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:30 AM (TZsWx)

65

I was in one of those "Rush rooms", back in the early 90s.  Must have been about '93/'94.  At a nice DC restaurant.  Taken there by a Clinton Admin. appointee who was an acquaintance at the time.  Working for one of the worst cabinet appointees (and that's saying something, though of course by our current standard those folks were churchillian).  And he loved it.  But I think it was just that his nasty streak (which was very large) liked the snark about the unpresidential nature of Clinton and his nightmare spouse.  So I was intro'd to Rush by a left-wing Clinton drone.  Hmmm.

 

Even then, I took Rush et al as infotainment, at best.  Welcome and on the correct side of most issues, but not somewhere to actually learn anything, factually or analytically.  But that's because I've been a public policy nerd since my early yute.   The value to normal productive people is clear.

 

Will there ever be a radio talker with substance enough to actually listen to for insight (more than on occasion - the better ones do sometimes find a truffle)?  Hannity is a genuine and nice guy, but ... well.  Rush is fine but fairly surface and the self-focused act wore thin many years ago.  Medved is a lightweight moral scold who actually seems as ignorant and misguided on lots of important issues as your typical NPR listener.  Levin is fine on serious constitutional matters but pretty much defaults to invective instead of substantive analysis (I understand why but .....) and of course the histrionic yelling gets old quick. 

 

Hewitt is mostly a GOP establishment apologist, though he has actually been driven to some sensible (outraged) positions on occasion since 2010, is pathetically craven to media idiots he interviews so that he can stay in the club (I guess), is typically lightweight on foreign policy (even with good instincts), and really falls down in being a silly apologists on legal/judicial matters where he has the background to speak with some authority (his jaw-dropping musings on whether Roberts engaged in some super-subtle strategery on his beclowning O-care "ruling" are pretty astonishingly stupid from someone with a legal background - though, then again, the legal priesthood does seem unable to recognize how off the rails the judicial part of our system has gone).

Posted by: non-purist at December 28, 2013 07:30 AM (afQnV)

66 Half were Trotskyites, and the other half were Stalinists!

Celebrate Diversity!


Even conservative talk radio has leftie counter programming every hour on the hour with ABC radio news or whatever network feed they are using.

Yup.


Heh.  I used to listen to the 24-classical station when I lived in Syracuse; every morning at 6:45 they'd play a Sousa march and I'd wake up, every morning at 7 they'd play NPR news and I'd leap out of bed in disgust.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 28, 2013 07:30 AM (hO8IJ)

67 Lefty radio is an elite reflection of the FSB. They don't have to be productive. They are entitled to a chunk of the airwaves, so someone should be subsidizing them. The counterpoint of this is righty radio where they know that, if they don't have an audience, there is no advertising and no money for their shows.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 28, 2013 07:30 AM (uzmcT)

68 60 zombie at December 28, 2013 12:29 PM (+cx5n) Into the belly of the beast as it were. If Err America had continued whiffing at getting their goal matrix mainstreamed I'd have welcomed the stations as "fools and their money" but the reality is they sadly had an impact. Happy New Year

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:31 AM (9jfyN)

69 A  few years back I was driving over the passes in CO.  Sick of the CD's I had and could only find one radio station.  Lo and Behold, Bernie Sanders had a radio show.  Holy kcuf stick, is that guy a Socialist.  It was quite enlightening and shocking at the same time to here a current politician speaking like that.

Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (6bvBO)

70 Thanks for not using an actual pic of Schultz...I couldn't take that this early in my day.

Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (qp6Dd)

71 I remember when I was driving to Atlanta with my Brother to see my Father who was in the Shepherd's Spinal Center Hospital. My brother turned Rush on and said have you heard this guy, it was like a breath of fresh air and I haven't turned him off since.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (b6koZ)

72 56 Is everyone else's talk radio markets inundated with Ad Council spots?



Sports talk radio is filthy with Ad Council spots.  ESPN (ABC) has clearly been bought by the government.  Among the thousand other things the next president has to do is eliminate any government advertising, with exception to military recruiting.

Posted by: phreshone at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (Pr6hk)

73 #62, 63

I'm also with you on Hannity.

His heart is in the right place, but he just lacks depth.    Sometimes he has on good guests that can make up for that. . .most of the time, not.

But I'd still rather listen to Hannity almost any time than NPR.



Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (TZsWx)

74 Though I don't really bother with Hannity now. I can't say I understand his popularity. He seems to be trying above his intellectual capacity much of the time. It may just be his vocal mannerisms.

Ditto.  They're moving Hannity into the time slot formerly held by Medved during my drive home.  I know not everyone likes Medved, and there are times when he's annoying, but FMM he's hands down the smartest and most interesting of the talk radio crowd.  I can only take Hannity in very limited doses, usually when there's an ad on the other stations.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:32 AM (6TB1Z)

75 Another reason, I think, is that it is easier to rely on emotion in a picture medium like TV whereas radio is a language medium which relies on ideas. TV can broadcast a picture of the homeless with the implied imperative that something must be done but you actually have to think and communicate ideas on radio. Despite leftist delusion to the contrary, we are the people of thought and ideas. They just rehash the failed Marxist playbook.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 28, 2013 07:33 AM (E+uky)

76 NPR (National Panhandler Radio) is still on the air and making a profit..... probably from offering those attractive Man Sacks and Sensible Coffee Mugs.  If they offered a Fanny Pack my life would be complete.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 28, 2013 07:33 AM (jucos)

77 11 Girly Things Men Wish They Could Do Without Judgement 1) More stylish clothes 2) Talk about other men being attractive 3) Girly drinks 4) Spa days 5) Carry a purse 6) Dance 7) Wear makeup 8 ) Get pampered by women 9) Wear yoga pants 10) Have fun with one's children 11) Show emotion I drink what I like, other people's ideas about what is "manly" be hanged. Since when are men "judged" for having fun with their children?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2013 07:33 AM (Bcm4u)

78 It's interesting to eavesdrop in at NPR. EVERYTHING in the world is happening, EXCEPT the slow-motion train-wreck of Obamacide. When they do mention it, it is parsed in terms of a website issue. If it's a Republican policy issue, their mics are littered with the voices of "experts" declaining why it's so bad for the country. Their silence is speaking volumes about how fucked Obama and Dems are on this issue.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 28, 2013 07:34 AM (18r9d)

79 Get pampered by women I think they mean "get a spa treatment, manicure and facial". When real men are pampered by women its "lovingly bring me a beer and a bacon sammich"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2013 07:34 AM (c2oll)

80 Hey, don't badmouth the Hannity show! They mentioned zombietime on the air the other day: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=1932 Well, it was Ann Coulter on air speaking to a guest host, but technically it was the Hannity show.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 07:35 AM (+cx5n)

81 it is easier to rely on emotion in a picture medium like TV whereas radio is a language medium which relies on ideas.

Goebbels did a lot with radio, but he really loved film.

He would have loved to be able to beam moving images directly into homes.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 28, 2013 07:35 AM (hO8IJ)

82 I miss Keith Olbermann and his hysterical TV rants about nearly everything. Maybe KLIB radio could find a spot for him and Hot Air could do mp3s of him throwing up on himself.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at December 28, 2013 07:35 AM (Yv5v6)

83 #64

If you ever get a chance check out Bill Bennett's show. I think he calls it "morning in America". 

Its not on in all markets, and it runs pretty early (either 6-7am or 5-7 am, something like that), but its basically pure substance, no invective, from a strictly Conservative viewpoint.

Not a perfect show, but way better than a lot of them.




Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:35 AM (TZsWx)

84 (I was interviewed on-air in their New York offices about one of my books.) You've got a book out? I would like to read it. But I guess your anonymity requirements would preclude you from telling me what it is, even in e-mail, right? Unfortunate, but understandable.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 07:36 AM (fd0Pp)

85 80 zombie at December 28, 2013 12:35 PM (+cx5n) Zombie all due respect the love was from Annie. I doubt Sean would grasp your work well. Ann Coulter has more brains at her morning constitutional than Hannity has by 23:59

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:36 AM (9jfyN)

86 Hey zombie. . .
Never saw you on here before.
Hows it going?

Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:36 AM (TZsWx)

87 Huff Po list I'm wondering why Huff Po people think #8 & #10 are foreign to most men? Oh..., I get it, this is from the perspective of *Huff Po* men. That explains a lot, I mean, about the makeup and girlie clothes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:37 AM (aDwsi)

88
Pampering by a women?  Honey, easy on the teeth!

Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at December 28, 2013 07:37 AM (pJF+c)

89 86 looking closely at December 28, 2013 12:36 PM (TZsWx) Zombie has been here for many a year. She and several other LGF alums have ran in packs for ages/

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:37 AM (9jfyN)

90 Ad Council was the first I think to use those annoying and overused "jam 20 celebrities into a 30 second spot" ads.

You know, the ones where each lefty celebrity says one word or half a phrase then another celebrity says one or another piece of the phrase

For those annoying PSA's alone, I hope the Ad Council HQ is ground zero for SMOD's impact

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2013 07:37 AM (aTXUx)

91 I drink what I like, other people's ideas about what is "manly" be hanged.
That's because you're a heteronormative neanderthal.  When do you drink Shirley Temples.  I ask again, WHEN?

Since when are men "judged" for having fun with their children?
See my #54.


I think they mean "get a spa treatment, manicure and facial". When real men are pampered by women its "lovingly bring me a beer and a bacon sammich"

You may have left something out, but I'm sure it will be corrected tout suite.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:38 AM (6TB1Z)

92 72 56 Is everyone else's talk radio markets inundated with Ad Council spots? Ad Council ads are filler, that is the station runs them just to fill the unsold time. No one pays for them, but I think the station can take a deduction for the cost of the spot. NOT real sure about that. I use to be in publishing and we filled dead space with American cancer ads etc, but I don't think we ever took a deduction for the cost of the space.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2013 07:38 AM (0FSuD)

93 Ahhh, yes, Eugene, Corvallis and Portland, backbone of the Republic of Oregon.

Posted by: James at December 28, 2013 07:38 AM (YOo4p)

94 Medved? Ehh gadz he is awful. Get off the radio you big dope.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 07:39 AM (HVff2)

95 #89
Have no doubt. . .just can't remember seeing her here before, that's all.
I came here myself after LGF imploded. . .that site was great for a short time, but I don't miss it one itsy bit.

Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:39 AM (TZsWx)

96 Thank god! All the ktlk links go to patriot-la with a count down of 4 days, 14 hours, and 20 minutes. I hope they steal Larry Elder away, too. In 2008, a number of "conservative" hosts came out full obama. Others left. Now the pendulum is beginning to swing in the right direction again.

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at December 28, 2013 07:39 AM (Qev5V)

97 2004 made me lean Right (because the Left refused to acknowledge any terrorist threat at all) but Air America made the conversion for me.  I hated every second of being forced to listen to that station by my Leftie relatives. 

Ed Schultz, at least the few times I listened to him, was actually far, far better than clowns like Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller, Al Franken, and Bobby Kennedy Jr.  Maybe he got worst (especially after the MSNBC show) but the few times I listened to him he actually supported closing the borders and challenged his listeners a little.  Tom Hartmann (I think?) also challenged his listeners by pointing out that Bush wasn't the complete caricature the Left always pushed.  He said that Bush was at least smart when you meet him in person.

The rest of Air America was just "Bush is incredibly dumb (and also an evil liar)" over and over again.

Randi Rhodes was literally crazy.  She would interrupt her listerners' rants just so she could rant some more.  "...but the torturing torturing torture!"

Stephanie Miller had a co-host who did the most obvious Bush parodies.  (Duurrr, I'm stupid!  Here's my stupid Bush laugh!)  Her show was about as mature as a bra snap.  Jon Stewart would play a clip of a Republican and make a face.  Stephanie Miller's variation of that was to play a "You're a stinking pile of crap" song.  That damn tune is stuck in my brain.

Al Franken had no energy at all.  He was completely unsuitable for radio, which is why I think they had to give him a co-host just to keep people from falling asleep.

Bobby Kennedy and his partner (I forget who) on their Ring of Fire show would rant about the environment, mostly.  I think it was Bobby who sounded so weak and frail.


Our local Air America changed itself to OBAMA Radio in 2008, about a week before it went off the air.  Thank God.

Posted by: Shoot Me at December 28, 2013 07:40 AM (qiXMt)

98 It's interesting to eavesdrop in at NPR. EVERYTHING in the world is happening, EXCEPT the slow-motion train-wreck of Obamacide. When they do mention it, it is parsed in terms of a website issue. If it's a Republican policy issue, their mics are littered with the voices of "experts" declaining why it's so bad for the country. Their silence is speaking volumes about how fucked Obama and Dems are on this issue. Posted by: Brave Sir Robin --------------------- On at least one occasion NPR aired such a draw-dropping interview with a Clinton adviser that I went to the 'net to copy it off. The particular comments that I was interested in had been scrubbed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:41 AM (aDwsi)

99 95 looking closely at December 28, 2013 12:39 PM (TZsWx) Heh.... we should have a survivors thread one day.... THAT was an all-star coterie in a lot of ways. Iowahawk, Treach, Patterico, Zombie.... nothing like it.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:41 AM (9jfyN)

100 If you ever get a chance check out Bill Bennett's show. I think he calls it "morning in America".

I like Bennett's show, which is on in the morning here in DC, but I wish he would stop trying to make his voice deep.  It sounds like he's gargling gravel.  He's also developed that occupational hazard of talk radio hosts, the need to interrupt his guests constantly so that he can demonstrate his brilliance.  Dude, I can hear you anytime.  STFU and let me listen to the guest, or don't bother having him on.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:41 AM (6TB1Z)

101 Anyone need anything at Yuppie Heaven, AKA Orvis? Got to return some shit. BBL

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 28, 2013 07:41 AM (0FSuD)

102 James, I'm sure you meant the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Oregon. Those of us outside of the Willamette Valley are often of a different social / political stripe.

Posted by: PabloD at December 28, 2013 07:41 AM (U2xU2)

103 I have always liked Laura ingraham Show, but I think her show went down hill when she fired or let go her long time Producer, Her taste in men really makes me wonder about her, She dated Keith Olberman.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2013 07:42 AM (b6koZ)

104 I've long suspected that Hannity scores well with the same people who were big Howard Stern fans in their youth. I remember when Stern first came to LA radio. I tried to listen for a while and gave up. There is low brow and then there is the Howard Stern audience that keeps their eye brows below the belt.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 28, 2013 07:42 AM (bPxS6)

105 Al Franken had no energy at all.

Franken was the audible version of watching paint dry.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:42 AM (70Unk)

106 Used to enjoy Neil Boortz a lot, in Atlanta. Retired now, I think, but I heard him sub for Hannity (radio) a few days ago.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:42 AM (aDwsi)

107 You know, the ones where each lefty celebrity says one word or half a phrase then another celebrity says one or another piece of the phrase

Relevant and timeless:
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/01/i-pledge.html

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 28, 2013 07:42 AM (hO8IJ)

108 Franken was the audible version of watching paint dry. Posted by: Purp ------------------- Stoners tend to be that way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:43 AM (aDwsi)

109 104 Epobirs at December 28, 2013 12:42 PM (bPxS6) Could be, I have never for the life of me understood how Stern and Imus have had the careers they have. I would drive off a cliff rather than listen to either. Hannity not so much I'd just be in a rage by the end of the trip.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:43 AM (9jfyN)

110 You may have left something out, but I'm sure it will be corrected tout suite. Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 12:38 PM (6TB1Z) Well, dessert is kind of implied after a good meal.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 28, 2013 07:43 AM (c2oll)

111 Most big cities have multiple NPR stations. Most places I've lived I've had 2-3 to choose from, often produced out of a local university.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 07:43 AM (ZPrif)

112 >>I mean I can train a retarded Parrot to be Hannity. That could lead to a new nic here: Sean Hannity's Crested Plume.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2013 07:43 AM (SUKHu)

113 Since when are men "judged" for having fun with their children? See my #54. You are probably right. I am reminded, however, of Mrs. du Toit's article (now long missing from the internet, alas) in which she argued that a real man should be able to have a tea party with his four-year old niece and then wrestle a burglar to the ground if one should interrupt.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2013 07:44 AM (Bcm4u)

114 My hometown radio station carried Rush Limbaugh in the 90's. They dumped him because local lib politician who ran the town almost lost his state senator seat in 96 election. Interesting side note, they picked up Ollie North b/c Ollie had helped local lib defend hometown boy during a court martial hearing in the 80's.

Posted by: tbodie at December 28, 2013 07:45 AM (xhr2b)

115 I saw Hannity's Crested Plume open for Flock of Seagulls at the Oncenter.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at December 28, 2013 07:45 AM (hO8IJ)

116 Oh poor dears. Leftist Radio can come and go as many times as the Left pleases. In 2015 the Left will pump in more $$ to once again saturate the airwaves with their message of Hate. You see, 2014 isn't worth the $$. The big prize is the White House -- the admin of the entire federal govt.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 07:46 AM (b1O1M)

117 112 Mama AJ at December 28, 2013 12:43 PM (SUKHu) Nice... I mean seriously.... RISKY...SCHEME...RISKY SCHEME Hey Sean we get it...you know perhaps you could have explained how fucking surreal and hopium based the economics of the fucking thing were.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:46 AM (9jfyN)

118 Public Radio Home of Terry Gross and Ira Glass How would they find work otherwise?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:46 AM (aDwsi)

119

Haven't offended my ears with NPR in many years, but still recall my favorite "NPR Dead Air Moment" (silence following a particularly stupid comment or question by an NPR host, so stupid that the field reporter or interviewee pauses to think how to even respond to such idiocy).

 

Driving down the 95 with my now-wife on a golf outing to NC or somewhere.  Morning of the first big coordinate car-bombings in Baghdad, which targeted the Red Cross and police recruitment centers (imagine the quandary of "journalists" covering such events in figuring out who the vile criminals are?).  Stupid NPR morning host asks incredibly stupid question:  so will this hurt police recruiting?  Silence.  Field reporter:  uhh ..... uhhh .... well, actually (name), this morning the lines are even longer, Iraqis are defying this sort of attack".  Of course you have to be listening, know something, and know how to think to enjoy/suffer the phenomenon.  Which excludes most NPR listeners (and most Americans, so elections would indicate).  But hilarious, in a dark way.

 

Other awesome dead air moment was BBC (of course).  NPR played the day's first BBC "news" show at o-dark-thirty, when I was often on the road (returning from hockey games).  BBC host is interviewing an Israeli military spokesman, this was during one of Israel's periodic offensives in the territories following some worse-than-average Palestinian atrocity (late 1990s?).  The Israeli was clearly not a native English-speaker, which is relevant.  So the BBC host (in outstanding, arrogant smug BBCese) asks "when will your operations in (some West Bank town) end, when you've killed enough people?"  Silence.  The Israeli, almost certainly, is checking his language skills, not quite believing such an idiotic and insulting question would be asked.  He then stammered out something like "oh, uh, no of course not, but we expect to meet our objectives there by tomorrow".

 

Anyway, if I ever suffered some inexplicable moment of optimism that this was a serious or respectable society, for therapy all I'd have to do would be to switch on NPR.  And having listened to a lot of Radio Moscow back in the day, from within the USSR, it's no hyperbole to compare our electorate (or at least the "educated" coastal segment) to Soviet drones who actually took Soviet media seriously.

 

Posted by: non-purist at December 28, 2013 07:47 AM (afQnV)

120 I listened to the NYC station occasionally on the way to work.  I was struck by how the knee jerk presenters would stick by progressive polititions no matter how stupid a thing they had done...unlike conservative radio which was more critical of conservatives.

I felt the progressive stations were shortchanging their listeners, not even presenting a progressive dialog that was interesting. 

Posted by: Trainer's looking to join a Militia. at December 28, 2013 07:47 AM (7EbAY)

121 I am reminded, however, of Mrs. du Toit's article (now long missing from the internet, alas) in which she argued that a real man should be able to have a tea party with his four-year old niece and then wrestle a burglar to the ground if one should interrupt.

Agreed.  But what the article is discussing is a man wearing little girl adornments to a public restaurant, and being all butt hurt that someone looked funny at him.  Do it or don't, but don't whine about it when somebody else thinks you're kind of a puss.   Real men don't care.  Again, I have the firm conviction that he was mad that his kid didn't provide him with cover for something he wanted to do anyway.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:47 AM (6TB1Z)

122 116 soothsayer at December 28, 2013 12:46 PM (b1O1M) Thanks for reminding me of reality Sooth.... I am gonna go make a Ny-Quil based Sloe Gin Fizzy now...

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:47 AM (9jfyN)

123 "You may have left something out, but I'm sure it will be corrected tout suite."

March 14th?

Posted by: The Hickster at December 28, 2013 07:47 AM (TI3xG)

124 104

Stern is a mix.  Obviously most of it is lowbrow,  and I wouldn't try to get any actual information off his show (especially not political), but there is a sort of "wink" there and his interviews are usually pretty good.

I remember he was interviewing the guitarist and vocalist from AC/DC right before the 2008 election and he asked who the guys were voting for.  I almost fell out of my chair when the singer from AC/DC said "McCain" and that he was a "Tory" (ie conservative).

Not surprising to me that he held that view. . .just that he was willing to admit it on the air!



Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:48 AM (TZsWx)

125 108 Franken was the audible version of watching paint dry. Posted by: Purp ------------------- Stoners tend to be that way. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 12:43 PM (aDwsi) Hope that was your cat typing, as now you are giving stoners a bad rap with that post. :-)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 07:48 AM (HVff2)

126 Lefty commercial talk radio is competing with free. The local NPR stations are given a free FM license in prime position on the radio dial. It's always in the 88-91 area, everybody knows to just search around the bottom of the dial to find the NPR channel. Compare that to right-wing talk radio. The local Rush channel could be almost anywhere on the dial. The local NPR station is often given a license to broadcast at incredibly high power levels. That costs $$. The operating costs are typically just absorbed by the university that operates it -- which often means taxpayer funded if its Big State U. Otherwise it's just part of the student fees. Oh, and the staff are often volunteer college kids. Main payment is to NPR to license their shows. And the university pays that as part of the operating costs of the station. There's no need to make money. In fact, they lose big money. Because it's run as a charity by the State.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 07:48 AM (ZPrif)

127 Even Mel Gibson couldn't save Air America.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 28, 2013 07:49 AM (V4CBV)

128 I don't listen to any of them anymore.  Radio is too low a bandwidth medium for information distribution.  3 minutes with a search engine gets you what would take an hour over radio.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:49 AM (70Unk)

129 It isn't just a case of market saturation, their lack of success is rooted in the progressive brain itself. After all, it's not like progressive television is doing that well either. The thing is, we conservatives LIKE information. We crave it! We want to know what is happening in the world around us and here at home. We do not find knowledge for knowledge's sake in the least bit boring. (I mean.... Michael Barone? Adore him!) The information itself, unless recited by Ben Stein, IS entertaining. Toss in a few genuinely entertaining individuals and we have radio Shangri-La. Toss in a good debate amongst ourselves or with the rare Lib willing to partake of debate, and we're happy. The progressive mind, however, in all its infantile glory, seeks to be entertained. They are like ADHD children in that they can't possibly sit for any extended period and simply listen, not even if their side is doing the educating. They want the glitz and the glamour of celebrity. They want to BE SEEN engaging. I mean, what does it do for their image to simply sit alone and listen to information without someone nearby to tell them how in-the-know they are? Ever try to engage the average lib in a discussion of ideas? ever try to debate one? Information is simply of little to no value to them. The truth is an inconvenience. Even if they believe everything espoused by a Lib host, they think they know it all already, so why bother? It's not like any of the information is actually useful to a progressive. Come what may, they will simply fall in line behind Pelosi and Reid, blithefully allowing others to do their thinking for them. Remember, they WANT more government and, when you prefer to live under the dictates laid out before you, what good is knowledge?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2013 07:49 AM (DmNpO)

130 "But with liberal talk radio, none of this is necessary. If you want to hear liberal and progressive views, all you have to do is turn on your TV or pick up a newspaper. The problem is not hearing liberal views, the problem is, where can you go to hear something else? Even Fox News. Liberals don't understand when you try to explain to them that Fox News isn't really "conservative", it's just a mainstream media outlet that allows some conservatives to talk on it. It only sounds conservative because you get to hear, however briefly, something other than the all-pervasive kultursmog of the liberal left." yes, this is true.

Posted by: Shoey at December 28, 2013 07:50 AM (vA94g)

131 My husband carries a purse, although it doesn't look anything a woman's purse. He also has fun with his kids, although his idea of fun usually includes going shooting, or playing violent video games, or going to watch violent movies. When they were in early grade school, he did read them the Hobbit little by little as a bedtime story. Then again, he's never cared what anyone else thought. I don't why lefties do either, except maybe that they're pretty thin skinned.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 28, 2013 07:50 AM (WD0KF)

132 I never understood Air America naming themselves after a CIA front organization. Did they not know, or is it one of those lefty "ironic!" things?

Posted by: Secundus at December 28, 2013 07:50 AM (lsvXD)

133 When John Gibson does the Readings from Democratic Underground, I have never laughed so hard in my life.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2013 07:51 AM (b6koZ)

134 Randi Rhodes was literally crazy. She would interrupt her listerners' rants just so she could rant some more. "...but the torturing torturing torture!" - Remember when Randi was all bruised up and they were making out as if she were the victim of a right-wing hate group then she finally admitted she got drunk in bar and fell on the sidewalk? Good times. Good times.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 28, 2013 07:51 AM (E+uky)

135 And it wasn't just that Rush said what I agreed with, but that the man could formulate and clearly articulate a conservative argument for so many different issues. At a time when the only news was CNN and the alphabet networks, where the "debates" - if dissenting voices were allowed at all - were usually between a someone like Gore Vidal & the intern who brought Pat Robertson his coffee, hearing Rush make the case so smartly and entertainingly for conservative principles was a breath of fresh air. Add on to that the penchant he has for tipping over the sacred cows of the Left, the people whom you were just not allowed to even question, much less criticize, and it was like being a kid in a candy shop. And then to hear the callers who agreed with my principles and values -- it was wonderful. I live in the Beautiful Pacific Northwest. It's a great place to live if you can stomach the intolerant left up here. But it's easy to wind up feeling (especially pre-Internet, Fox News & conservative radio) really alone in your beliefs. Rush changed all that.

Posted by: 29Victor at December 28, 2013 07:51 AM (ES9R7)

136 Hannity is one of the troops. A clean, nice guy who isn't afraid to label BS as BS. He may not be Wm. F. Buckley, but we damn sure better be supportive of those who are philosophically aligned with us. ----- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. - Burke

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:51 AM (aDwsi)

137 #131

Its simple, really.

Conservatives - individuals
Liberals - collective.

That's why liberals care far more about what other people think.

Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:52 AM (TZsWx)

138 127 Dr. Varno at December 28, 2013 12:49 PM (V4CBV) In Mel's defense this was prior to Sherlock Holmes getting clean and sober. 128 Purp at December 28, 2013 12:49 PM (70Unk) You know Purp that is a rather valid point I weaned myself off of most radio unless traveling back in '09. There *may* be a niche role for it ala a combination of AoSHQ, Drudge, tepid Air link sharing and meme stirring. I often wish we could meld several of our lovely Horde's personalities into a cogent narrative for a TR host's pap.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:52 AM (9jfyN)

139 Radio is too low a bandwidth medium for information distribution. 3 minutes with a search engine gets you what would take an hour over radio.

Not really an option during the commute.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 07:53 AM (6TB1Z)

140 135

Personally, I find Rush kind of pompous and annoying (though I realize in his case its largely affected), but yeah. . .on net he's a huge boon to the Conservative cause, and I'd still rather listen to his program than most of what's spoken on the radio.


Posted by: looking closely at December 28, 2013 07:54 AM (TZsWx)

141 Remember: Leftist Radio doesn't exist to make profit. And that cocksucker Jeff Bezos didnt buy WaPo as an investment to make profitable. These are media vehicles for a singular purpose: to push an ideological agenda.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 07:54 AM (b1O1M)

142 129 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2013 12:49 PM (DmNpO) There's a lot of truth in that post. Goes back to the point made here about tribal credentialism and ticket punching in left academia a while back. Once they have the ticket punched for a piece of knowledge they want to close the cabinet on that data spike and "use" the "knowledge" whether it is still topical or correct.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:54 AM (9jfyN)

143 Agreed. But what the article is discussing is a man wearing little girl adornments to a public restaurant, and being all butt hurt that someone looked funny at him. Do it or don't, but don't whine about it when somebody else thinks you're kind of a puss. Real men don't care. Again, I have the firm conviction that he was mad that his kid didn't provide him with cover for something he wanted to do anyway. Sure. I wasn't disagreeing with you. Your scenario actually makes more sense than the one I was initially thinking of - that the author really thought that people would mock him for playing with his kids on the playground in the ordinary way or something of that nature. I just remembered the article and thought it provided a nice contrast.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2013 07:54 AM (Bcm4u)

144 Hannity's a good guy. I just find him kinda boring so I don't listen to him or watch him. If the country had more Hannitys it would be a better place. I agree with him on most issues. He seems like a good, responsible man who works hard. Seems like he'd be a great neighbor. Just kinda boring for my taste.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 07:55 AM (ZPrif)

145 Not really an option during the commute.

Yea.  In a car is about the only time I turn a radio on these days.

Once in a while I stream some internet station, but its not a primary focus kinda thing, just background noise in a minimized window

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 07:56 AM (70Unk)

146 Confession time. I listen to NPR quite a bit, the music part. But I never give them a dime. I am their Free Shit Army.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 28, 2013 07:56 AM (E+uky)

147 Once they have the ticket punched for a piece of knowledge they want to close the cabinet on that data spike and "use" the "knowledge" whether it is still topical or correct. *** Yep. A soundbite is all they require.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2013 07:56 AM (DmNpO)

148 135 Add on to that the penchant he has for tipping over the sacred cows of the Left, the people whom you were just not allowed to even question, much less criticize, and it was like being a kid in a candy shop. The original updates, homeless, gay, the trumpet fanfare, the 1st Gulf War amazon battalion, good times

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 07:57 AM (HVff2)

149 I often wish we could meld several of our lovely Horde's personalities into a cogent narrative for a TR host's pap. Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 12:52 PM

Commenter podcast?

What could go wrong ...

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2013 07:57 AM (aTXUx)

150 Cartoon looks more like Buddy Hackett. Needs more ick to look like Schultz.

Posted by: WahIggle at December 28, 2013 07:57 AM (QXiRr)

151 I often wish we could meld several of our lovely Horde's personalities into a cogent narrative for a TR host's pap. The Podcast needs a 'Phone a Moron' segment.

Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2013 07:58 AM (0vTuh)

152 Confession time. I listen to NPR quite a bit, the music part. But I never give them a dime. I am their Free Shit Army. Posted by: WalrusRex -------------- I used to. Primarily because of the classical programming. This was WABE in Atlanta. They still have a couple of very nice classical morning shows, but, that is it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 07:58 AM (aDwsi)

153 149 kbdabear at December 28, 2013 12:57 PM (aTXUx) Well without a Mirror Universe George Soros lots heh... I got rather addle brained last election cycle after all... imagine "EoJ unhinged".... or AtC Unplugged....? Good times, good times.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 07:59 AM (9jfyN)

154 Another thing is how we're defining the parameters of radio show 'successes.' We measure success by listeners and profit. The Left measures success by dissemenating The Message and planting their evil seeds into Dumb People's heads. If all they accomplish is to cause one Dumb Voter to pause and and be confused (or ashamed) about his/her values and beliefs, it's a success.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 07:59 AM (b1O1M)

155 btw, do you realize how wrong we were about Keith Olbermann? Not only is he gainfully employed, he's got TWO tv gigs!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 08:00 AM (b1O1M)

156 What could go wrong ... Posted by: kbdabear ------------------ Well..., as someone pointed out here a while back, it might go something like: "Okaaay!...., and our first call here is from Charlie Brown's Dildo.."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:00 AM (aDwsi)

157 In New York, WWRL 1600 AM will flip to Spanish-language music and talk, throwing Ed Schultz, Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, and Alan Colmes off the air." You mean flipped to having Spanish speaking liberals commentating. In 2008 I recall reading that the Californian based Spanish speaking stations refused to play any conservative ads. I am sure the Dems will be damaged by the changes pun).

Posted by: Davod at December 28, 2013 08:01 AM (dj3iF)

158 Hannity needs to mix it up a little.  whenever I have heard bits of one ofhis shows, they all sounded the same like the Charlie Brown teacher droning noise.

Alex Jones it a bit.  Get agitated, Make some wild accusations, have some funny fart/belch sounds

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 08:01 AM (70Unk)

159 btw, do you realize how wrong we were about Keith Olbermann? Not only is he gainfully employed, he's got TWO tv gigs! *** How long do you think that's gonna last?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2013 08:01 AM (DmNpO)

160 Hannity needs to mix it up a little. whenever I have heard bits of one ofhis shows, they all sounded the same like the Charlie Brown teacher droning noise. *** There is an over-abundance of Hannity. He doesn't need a 3-hour radio show followed by a an hour-long tv show. Cut his radio spot down to 2 hours max, and he would be more effective.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 28, 2013 08:03 AM (DmNpO)

161 How long do you think that's gonna last? Posted by: Niedermeyer's --------------------- Hold it..., you aren't counting his webcast from the basement.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:03 AM (aDwsi)

162 Rush's pomposity is the best part. It's funny. That's the joke. Rush's pomposity is always a bit self-mocking. That's what makes Rush the best. You can hear the hint of laughter. He's enjoying himself. He doesn't take himself that seriously. He believes what he's saying and he explains his ideas well, but he has fun and laughs at himself, too. Rush strikes a great balance between anger and humor. When I've listened to Levin or Savage it's just too outragey and angry for my ear. Whereas Hannity can be too boring, they can be too strident. Rush rarely loses that playful tone. Rush and Beck are excellent radio guys because they were first radio guys. They grew up wanting to be radio guys, not conservative pundits. Rush would have made a great sportscaster. A lot of conservative radio guys seem to first want to be a pundit and only secondarily a good radio personality. It's a skill. Rush and Beck are more like Stern in that sense. Kids who grew up dreaming of being on the radio and working on their voice and delivery.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 08:03 AM (ZPrif)

163 I was just at Hot Gas reading about this stupid crap from MSNBC: >> Certain parts of the Bible also appear to preach against let’s say, I don’t know, Christmas trees. This was their ammo (gasp) to go after Palin.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 28, 2013 08:03 AM (SUKHu)

164 151 I often wish we could meld several of our lovely Horde's personalities into a cogent narrative for a TR host's pap. The Podcast needs a 'Phone a Moron' segment. Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2013 12:58 PM (0vTuh) Open line Friday?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 28, 2013 08:03 AM (HVff2)

165 Olbermann is doing just fine on ESPN (spit!) and TBS. Not only that, he still does his Worst Person shtick! His big $$ sponsors have no issue at all with him, evidently.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 08:04 AM (b1O1M)

166 >> Certain parts of the Bible also appear to preach against let’s say, I don’t know, Christmas trees. ------------------- I always turn to MSNBC when seeking Biblical commentary.

Posted by: GLADD Member at December 28, 2013 08:05 AM (aDwsi)

167 I wear yoga pants. On cold days. Wth extra thick wool socks. Under my camos. They're called long johns.

Posted by: shredded chi, the young curmudgeon at December 28, 2013 08:05 AM (Kx4cQ)

168 As I have become a diehard Sirius/XM listener, I really like Andrew Wilkow.  Will listen to him over Rush any day of the week.  Don't particularly care for some of the other people they carry, but have always liked Wilkow's show.

Posted by: Pete at December 28, 2013 08:06 AM (1jz9f)

169 Confession time. I listen to NPR quite a bit, the music part. But I never give them a dime. I am their Free Shit Army. I LOVED the Thistle and Shamrock as a teenager, before I moved out of radio range and they changed the time to something massively inconvenient. I have about 300 cassette tapes somewhere around here that I recorded of that show. Never gave them a penny - I rarely had anyway and they pushed the leftist BS too much .

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2013 08:06 AM (Bcm4u)

170 GLAAD is so foreign to me that I couldn't even get the sock right.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:06 AM (aDwsi)

171 And, yeah, we ignore spanish-language media, which is overwhelmingly leftists. There is no FoxNews or Rush Limbaugh in spanish-language media, not in America. In related Doom news, Univision was the #1 rated broadcast TV network last night.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 08:07 AM (ZPrif)

172 Cartoon looks more like Buddy Hackett. Needs more ick to look like Schultz. Perhaps you're right. Also, my use of the cartoon is a bit misleading. Ed Shultz was never a part of Air America. Not like Randi Rhodes or Al Franken. Ed always had his own show, and it was just carried by Air America stations.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 08:07 AM (fd0Pp)

173 You know who I can't stand? Kevin Wall. I occasionally hear him substituting for a regular hose, most recently Bill Bennett. He makes Hannity sound like a soopergenius. I can always tell when he doesn't have any callers in the queue, because he just keeps repeating the same points over and over and over. The funny thing is that he's so opposite to Bennett. Wall is high-energy and low-substance, while Bennett is obviously intelligent and well-read. His delivery puts me to sleep, though. He's the RINO version of NPR.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 08:08 AM (sdi6R)

174 171 Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 01:07 PM (ZPrif) Will Unimundo sell in Canada or as I am increasingly looking at it.... "New America"

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:08 AM (9jfyN)

175 Fiona Ritchie's voice..., I refuse to look up her picture, it might spoil my fantasy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:08 AM (aDwsi)

176 "Okaaay!...., and our first call here is from Charlie Brown's Dildo.." Don't forget Masturbatin' Pete!

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 08:09 AM (fd0Pp)

177 173 rickl at December 28, 2013 01:08 PM (sdi6R) I'd love to know if Peter Thomas is a moonbat or a normal human. If he was a normal human or better yet Prototype Moron I'd pay to listen to him read the phone book.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:10 AM (9jfyN)

178

Twice on NPR.  Once long ago, topic didn't lend itself to political distortion so much (national NPR).  Once a few years back, local NPR in a fairly large market.  Topic was Iraq war and some sub-topics thereof.  Show was normally a mix of interview and listener calls.  After a few minutes, it was clear the host would not take calls.  The fear and unease were almost palpable.  Here he had someone who not only knew the subject and had spent years in direct contact with it, but was far smarter than his listenership (in a practical sense, on these topics).  No way he was going to let one of his listeners get chewed to bits by a guest who was not dumbed-down like the "educated" NPR audience. 

 

Guest just before me was a nice but clueless Iraqi woman who (like the dumbed down audience, presumably) seemed to think things in Iraq just happened because the Americans were there - ya know, water treatment plant openings with children's choirs had to be car-bombed, because, ya know, the Americans are there.  And the Americans shooting back at people who shoot at them (and car-bomb events with children) was the problem in Baghdad - not the terrorist scum starting the shooting.  I listened in the Green Room in horror and disgust, and laughing a bit thinking about the whiplash the poor local NPR audience was about to experience.

 

Posted by: non-purist at December 28, 2013 08:10 AM (afQnV)

179 I love the segments on Rush's show when Snerdly rails on TFG.  I  forget ten nickname for him.

Posted by: Infidel at December 28, 2013 08:10 AM (6bvBO)

180 Never gave them a penny - I rarely had anyway and they pushed the leftist BS too much . Posted by: Grey Fox

Well, not voluntarily, anyway.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 08:11 AM (6TB1Z)

181 176 I think there have been some fairly rude nics associated with Helen Thomas also. I don't want to recall..., really. Oh..., and Sandy Fluke.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:11 AM (aDwsi)

182 176 "Okaaay!...., and our first call here is from Charlie Brown's Dildo.."

Don't forget Masturbatin' Pete!


Or Ass Cheeks of Saturn, who sadly no longer posts here.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 08:11 AM (6TB1Z)

183 182 pep at December 28, 2013 01:11 PM (6TB1Z) yeah there's a lot of morons in the "missing hall of fame"...

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:13 AM (9jfyN)

184 yeah there's a lot of morons in the "missing hall of fame"... Posted by: sven ------------- All in the camps.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 28, 2013 08:13 AM (aDwsi)

185 FOX NEWS GLOBAL WARMING UPDATE! http://tinyurl.com/k2o94z7 A Chinese icebreaker that was en route to rescue a ship trapped in Antarctic ice was forced to turn back on Saturday after being unable to push its way through the heavy sea ice. Uh.... couldn't you have walked the seven miles comrades?

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:14 AM (9jfyN)

186 Well, not voluntarily, anyway. I didn't pay income taxes on the money I earned mowing lawns as teenager - didn't even occur to me to do so. So unless they were being paid out of sales taxes, I don't think they got anything from me. Point taken, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 28, 2013 08:15 AM (Bcm4u)

187 Well, not voluntarily, anyway. And not just NPR stations, the aforementioned Stalinist KPFA is also snorfling at the public trough, and every time there's money to be given away, here comes the commies with their hands out. Makes me mad.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 08:15 AM (fd0Pp)

188 Why would Libs listen to any other radio station when they have taxpayer funded NPR to be smug about? I have coworkers which can't live without having that crap running 24/7 in the background. Even people here who think it is stupid just HAVE to listen to it or they aren't part of the intellectual club or something.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 28, 2013 08:15 AM (KCvsd)

189 You've got a book out? I would like to read it. But I guess your anonymity requirements would preclude you from telling me what it is, even in e-mail, right? Unfortunate, but understandable. Posted by: OregonMuse A lot more than just one book. And yes, as you suspected -- my "real world" fame and my "internet" fame must be kept completely separate! Hey, you might already own it anyway! So there's that.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 08:15 AM (+cx5n)

190 Actually, a good use of some conservative billionaire's $ would be to fund conservative spanish-language media. Especially radio.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 08:16 AM (ZPrif)

191 189 A lot more than just one book. Hey, you might already own it anyway! So there's that. Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 01:15 PM (+cx5n) Cool!

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 08:17 AM (sdi6R)

192 86 Hey zombie. . . Never saw you on here before. Hows it going? Posted by: looking closely I drop by an comment every now and then. You've just missed me! I'm fine, but generally too busy to blog, so my substitute is commenting.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 08:17 AM (+cx5n)

193 If you continue to give out clues, eventually someone will uncover your identity.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 08:17 AM (b1O1M)

194 190 Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 01:16 PM (ZPrif) Si, I opined on the need for this during the election last cycle. Essentially Barry got a total pass on Fast and Furious or as I have taken to thinking of it..... Who gives a fuck if Obama has a body count arguably measured near a thousand?

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:17 AM (9jfyN)

195 I was listening to an NPR broadcast in early 2007 that was about the surge in Iraq. The host asked the reporter in Iraq how the Surge was going. You could tell from the tone that the host was expecting grim news. Well that's what she got, sort of. The response was the surge is working well. An odd pause, a gulp, an eh, well, okay then. A quick wrap up and then the host moved on.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2013 08:20 AM (EWsrI)

196 couldn't you have walked the seven miles comrades?

Tass had a piece about what was going on on the trapped ship.  Apparently there's no rush.  The science crew is just doing what they always do sampling testing, etc, the ship is not in danger of structural compromise, blah, blah. 

Basically, shit is pretty normal research vessel ops other than being stuck.

I didn't sound like they're even close to concerned yet.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 08:22 AM (70Unk)

197 193 If you continue to give out clues, eventually someone will uncover your identity. Posted by: soothsayer How many books are there in the world? Millions. Not much of a clue, really. Half the people in the Bay Area claim to be authors, whether they are or not.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 08:22 AM (+cx5n)

198 If you continue to give out clues, eventually someone will uncover your identity. Posted by: soothsayer ------------- Already done.

Posted by: Bob at NSA at December 28, 2013 08:22 AM (aDwsi)

199 196 Purp at December 28, 2013 01:22 PM (70Unk) Right, a mocking joke about Hysteria News reporting and well "global warming?" I am deeply touched that St Al said that ice was a distant memory right now... Earth shits methane in TreeBoy's general direction.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:23 AM (9jfyN)

200 AoS anecdote: Years ago we had a very annoying moonbat troll here. With just a few inadvertently left clues, commenter "geoff" found out his name and address. Not only was the troll shocked, but Ace was too and deleted the info. This was before Facebook and Myspace exploded, too.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 28, 2013 08:27 AM (b1O1M)

201 200 soothsayer at December 28, 2013 01:27 PM (b1O1M) Correct, and I reminded Ace of the episode IIRC when I was explaining to him why the NSA Meta-Data sink matters. You give me your meta-data for 60 days I can destroy your world.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 08:29 AM (9jfyN)

202 I don't object to Hannity's existence, I'm just not going to miss him if he is switched to a station with lousy signal in my market.

What Purp said about radio applies somewhat to me as well. I can glean vastly more from a few minutes of reading than listening. One of the reasons I do most of my audiobook listening in the car is that the pace is too slow if I don't have something like driving to occupy part of my attention.

OTOH, there is a huge portion of the population that doesn't read much or at all. They need to be reached if the candidates we support are to win elections. For that we need a variety of voices to reach those who need to be informed. That means those voices have to appeal to people who aren't much like me. Probably my favorite radio guy is Mark Levin but only when he is in lecture mode as opposed to rant mode. During the 2008 election he did an entire show dissecting 'Rules For Radicals' as a guide to understanding who and what Obama is. If a few million swing voters could have been made to hear that broadcast it could have change the outcome of the election. It was that good. But I doubt anyone outside of Levin's established audience heard it. The GOP should have distributed MP3 files of that show through every possible venue.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 28, 2013 08:31 AM (bPxS6)

203 Hey, SOMEONE needs to teach negroes ho to wipe their butts!

Posted by: Ad Council, bitch at December 28, 2013 08:34 AM (qTaCH)

204 I'm surprised some right-leaning site hasn't just straight-up copied the BuzzFeed/Cracked listicle style -- it works. 10 Reasons X, 7 Things that Y, 6 Crazy Ideas That Z. Easy to share format that dumb people can easily understand.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 28, 2013 08:37 AM (ZPrif)

205 198 If you continue to give out clues, eventually someone will uncover your identity. Posted by: soothsayer ------------- Already done. Posted by: Bob at NSA The NSA doesn't need to browse through my comments to find out who I am. I'm quite sure they already have a file on me several inches thick. Er, I mean, several megabytes big.

Posted by: zombie at December 28, 2013 08:42 AM (+cx5n)

206 @39 - yeah, I recall the KPFA Wars. Serious popcorn time. For a while it looked like they might have their stuff sold out from under them, IIRC. Alas, they're still there.

Posted by: Baxter Megajunk, Porn Idol at December 28, 2013 08:43 AM (o+SC1)

207 73 #62, 63

"I'm also with you on Hannity.

His heart is in the right place, but he just lacks depth. Sometimes he has on good guests that can make up for that. . .most of the time, not."

Count the times Hannity says "now" in the first 3 minutes of his show; it's usually at least 10.  He's the only prominent conservative talker who regularly gets out-argued by liberals.  He used to have on Mike Farrell of MASH fame, who would routinely make Hannity look bad.  There were plenty of conservative arguments to make, but Hannity would always just retreat to his talking points.

Yeah, his heart is the right place, but sometimes he does more harm than good.

Posted by: duke at December 28, 2013 08:43 AM (enhDu)

208 100 I like Bennett's show, which is on in the morning here in DC, but I wish he would stop trying to make his voice deep. It sounds like he's gargling gravel. He's also developed that occupational hazard of talk radio hosts, the need to interrupt his guests constantly so that he can demonstrate his brilliance. Dude, I can hear you anytime. STFU and let me listen to the guest, or don't bother having him on. Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 12:41 PM (6TB1Z) I listen to Bennett during my morning drive to work. He drives me up the frickin' wall. He's a classic inside-the-beltway Republican. I remember in late 2008 after Obama was elected. He was saying things like "He's my President and I support him" and "We'll see. Maybe he will govern from the center." I wanted to rip the radio out of the dashboard and hurl it out the window. He was "taking the high ground" like so many establishment Republicans do with radical Democrat thugs.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 08:46 AM (sdi6R)

209 I listen to Bennett during my morning drive to work. He drives me up the frickin' wall. He's a classic inside-the-beltway Republican.

So why do you listen to him?  No snark, just curious.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 08:48 AM (6TB1Z)

210 Levin is my cup of tea. He matches my level of outrage perfectly. He's also the only talk host who actually seems to grasp the magnitude of the danger we are in.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 08:48 AM (sdi6R)

211 Late to the thread, but here goes nothing.

The SF am radio market was dominated by KGO for 25 years, no one even came close to it's ratings until maybe 6 years ago.

And the unique thing about radio in the SF bay area? You might be 14 miles from the transmitter in SF and not be able to receive the signal in San Mateo or Half Moon Bay. Because hills and.

Fun fact: KSAN FM was the last of the 60's era album rock stations to die, I think it changed format to country music(?) in the mid to late 70's.



Posted by: 13times at December 28, 2013 08:48 AM (fGPLK)

212 209 So why do you listen to him? No snark, just curious. Posted by: pep at December 28, 2013 01:48 PM (6TB1Z) I was listening to him before then and didn't find him too objectionable. But he kind of jumped the shark for me in late 2008. Nowadays I find myself listening more often to a local host during that time, whose name escapes me at the moment. As I said in an earlier comment, Bennett is obviously very intelligent and well-read.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 08:52 AM (sdi6R)

213 When my husband was still boyfriend, during the period when my mother needed me to stay on the weekends to help her out, I'd call him on a cheapo phone still jacked in the long-abandoned upstairs of her house. For some weird reason the line faintly picked up a radio station playing Air America. It was the strangest scene -- me sprawled on the carpet in the empty room, speaking to the honey that was keeping me sane, with a muted obbligato of spittle-spewing rant in the background.

Posted by: Sister Sestina at December 28, 2013 08:56 AM (Em6d4)

214 Someone mentioned LGF. Did the remainders do the 'koolaid of death' thing yet? I was banned years ago, due to CJ having no sense of humor.

Posted by: Meremortal, I'll take the purple at December 28, 2013 08:56 AM (1Y+hH)

215 Fun fact: KSAN FM was the last of the 60's era album rock stations to die, I think it changed format to country music(?) in the mid to late 70's. Early 80s, I think. I used to listen to KSAN back in the day. It's predecessor KMPX was too early for me, though.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 08:59 AM (fd0Pp)

216 If we keep posting here often enough, does the thread stay 'alive' or is it like musical chairs and eventually the banning begins for 'posting on a dead thread'? Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Meremortal, they keep asking this stuff at December 28, 2013 09:01 AM (1Y+hH)

217 Why does liberal talk radio fail?

The answer could be a simple as, being intellectual adolescents, liberals don't have the capacity to pay attention long enough to a radio (no screen with bright colors to look at) to make liberal talk radio viable.

I can help with that.

Posted by: Ritalin at December 28, 2013 09:02 AM (s8V4u)

218 When I lived in the District I listened to the John Batchelor Show. He seemed intelligent. Of course that was then and I've become a lot more angry since. I like the cut of your jib non-purist, I spent time in Vienna and remember, "That was the news from the West, and now the news from the East." Zombie, if you are still on this dead thread: Back in the LGF days I copied a high res picture you took of a closeup of a Bay Area person. It was a close high megapixel shot directly into their mirrored sunglasses with you in the reflection. I've always meant to enlarge the photo (wherever it is now) with some advanced software to get a good shot of your secret identity. This was back when Ed used to post weather reports and pony boy seemed normal. Good times.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 28, 2013 09:03 AM (P+RpJ)

219 and eventually the banning begins for 'posting on a dead thread'?

I think it has to age more than a day.  I've had some go with comments dribbling in over 24 hours without incident.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 28, 2013 09:07 AM (70Unk)

220 According to the rebid Left, NPR and CNN are right leaning, and are not socialist because they are not calling for immediate confiscation of all private property.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 28, 2013 09:09 AM (/YkzI)

221 According to the rebid Left, NPR and CNN are right leaning, and are not socialist because they are not calling for immediate confiscation of all private property. Also, the media is right-wing because corporations. The sheer mindlessness of that particular progressive trope never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 09:13 AM (fd0Pp)

222 216 Meremortal, they keep asking this stuff at December 28, 2013 02:01 PM (1Y+hH) My understanding is the thread becomes toxic when it falls off the main page load order + x amount of time.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 28, 2013 09:18 AM (9jfyN)

223 218

I've always meant to enlarge the photo (wherever it is now) with some advanced software to get a good shot of your secret identity.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 28, 2013 02:03 PM (P+RpJ)


Enhance 224 to 176.

Enhance. Stop.

Move in. Stop.

Pull out, track right. Stop.

Center and pull back. Stop.

Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

Enhance 34 to 36.

Pan right or-and pull back. Stop.

Enhance 34 to 46.

Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop.

Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop.

Enhance 15 to 23.

Gimme a hard copy right there.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 28, 2013 09:18 AM (5l5UA)

224 "Also, the mainstream media is right-wing because corporations." That spirit's been around here since 1969.

Posted by: The Eagles at December 28, 2013 09:19 AM (1Y+hH)

225 Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm You're incorrigible. You know that, right?

Posted by: Daybrother at December 28, 2013 09:23 AM (7cVus)

226 221 Also, the mainstream media is right-wing because corporations. Posted by: OregonMuse at December 28, 2013 02:13 PM (fd0Pp) Right. Those would be the same "corporations" who want to ally with the Republican establishment against the Tea Party, and which are gung-ho for amnesty.

Posted by: rickl at December 28, 2013 09:32 AM (sdi6R)

227 Anyone remember when Stephanie Miller was a failed deejay/shock jock? In the mid/late 90's she tried to break into the New York radio market. She boasted that she was going to take down Imus, Howard Stern and all the others. As far as I remember, she lasted a year. What a disaster she was.

Posted by: Hawk at December 28, 2013 09:33 AM (2dYnc)

228 John Batchelor is a true renaissance man. A well educated man with a photographic memory and an analytical mind combined with an uncanny ability to distill complex narratives into simple, well reasoned sentences.

He sometimes seems to know and understand the information contained in books better than those who wrote them. Maybe he's just a great communicator, or all of the above, I really don't know.

Posted by: 13times at December 28, 2013 09:35 AM (fGPLK)

229 John Batchelor is a true renaissance man. A well educated man with a photographic memory and an analytical mind combined with an uncanny ability to distill complex narratives into simple, well reasoned sentences. Posted by: 13times I got that impression. His show was on late (for me at the time) but he didn't just present a radio "act". He was smart and concise and high information. I often fell asleep as Kate sang.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 28, 2013 09:43 AM (RTQgm)

230 "I listened to it a couple of times, but the local NPR affiliate did a much better job of broadcasting progressive-left news and opinions."

The stuff that comes out of the regional affiliates makes NPR national content seem like pretty weak sauce by comparison.

There was a piece aired by "The California Report" on our local public radio here in the SF Bay Area, after the Zimmerman trial, which was absolutely instantly ragestroke-inducing. Outright accusing Zimmerman of getting away with the murder of Trayvon Martin.

And featuring (drumroll) comments by Van Jones. Who despite having to relinquish his position in Obama's administration due to views that were too moonbatty even for Obama to publicly tolerate, nevertheless is still warmly welcomed and harbored by the institutional left wherever he goes.

Of course, just as with national NPR, tax money goes to produce this crap.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 28, 2013 10:24 AM (gqT4g)

231 #227

She had a TV talk show briefly, too. I've often wondered just who she has incriminating evidence on that keeps giving her work.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 28, 2013 10:59 AM (bPxS6)

232 #230

I was listening to 'John and Ken' on KFI for the first time in a while on Thursday. John was on alone and at one point went into a Traytable rant that revealed what a fool he is. He outright called Zimmerman a murderer and anyone who supported him as aiding and abetting. The reason for this rant? Because Zimmerman hasn't been an utterly perfect person since the trial. As if only angels are allowed to defend themselves against being assaulted by a more physically capable person with considerably more fighting experience.

I suspect part of it is John has three sons, at least one of them into his tens, and perhaps John worries his kid could be as thuggish and stupid as Traytable.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 28, 2013 11:04 AM (bPxS6)

233 Although he's been gone for nearly ten years, my all time favorite talk show host was David Brudnoy out of WBZ in Boston. He was always civil and as a true libertarian he held both parties in contempt but I always felt he had a specially sharpened rapier that he used on the left, perhaps because he endured it on a daily basis there in belly of the beast.

Posted by: Ghabberflasted at December 28, 2013 11:13 AM (w+SvP)

234 "Another problem was that some of those Air America guys sounded like spittle-flecked rage monkeys." That's because that's what they actually were. I think they actually thought that being a spittle-flecked rage monkey was how to get ratings; they thought they were imitating Rush.

Posted by: SGT Ted at December 28, 2013 11:30 AM (CtKeI)

235 Oregon Muse!  I can't believe that you live here, too!  Quelle surprise!

My parents were high school sweethearts in Springfield and, after moving around quite a bit, I've come back to the area.

I enjoy your posts - just kind of figured that you live in Portland.  Keep up the good work.

*lurk mode on*

:wq!

Posted by: Insert Clever Name Here at December 28, 2013 11:52 AM (SS8WM)

236 Also, listening to the radio is done mostly when people are in their cars; usually on their way to doing something productive, e.g. going to work, dropping off the kids, picking up the kids, coming home from work. This audience of productive, engaged people has no interest in the mewlings of libtards.

Posted by: -Shawn- at December 28, 2013 12:19 PM (ZcjkG)

237 Oh, I almost forgot: It must have been the Koch brothers!

Posted by: -Shawn- at December 28, 2013 12:21 PM (ZcjkG)

238 I used to listen to KNEW before it flipped to AirAmerica format, it was an awesome station. It was your go to for Al Martino, I once heard the dj say "Robert Goulet, what a talent!" Without any irony. In my list of lefty crimes against basic decency this is high on my list.

Posted by: Roy at December 28, 2013 12:50 PM (EuD1c)

239 Let's just say that Hannity is not the sharpest crayon in the box; but OTOH Colmes--aka "Skeletor" looks and sounds like he knows he's playing a losing hand. But he's game, and he keeps serving up the bullshit. Won't be sorry when I never see his ugly face again. And frankly I wouldn't be sorry if I never heard Hannity again.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 28, 2013 12:59 PM (VAche)

240 Back in Usenet days, I used to know a failed opera singer who worked for Pacifica. She's still foing her thing, and actually makes some good points re Pacifica here: http://www.leftistreview.com/2013/07/22/saving-picifica-network/kelliaramares/
  And apparently Pat LaMarche (Green VP 2004) is no longer in broadcasting. She was really pretty good as a candidate ... batshit crazy positions, but she presented well, and wiped the floor with the LP guy in the debate.


Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at December 28, 2013 01:33 PM (0v4Ix)

241 My biggest problem with Rush and Hannity is that whenever they engage in debate (which with Limbaugh is almost never) they get their asses handed to them. It makes the cause look bad. I can't take listening to more than an hour of Limbaugh at a time. It's nothing but an echo chamber with a Me Too Chorus of callers.

Posted by: The Shadow Knows at December 28, 2013 02:31 PM (0b0Kp)

242 I'm not sure what show some people hear, but Limbaugh debates his lib callers all the time. He usually wins handily, as the libtard winds up screeching or doing that ADHD thing where they jump from subject to subject to subject, rather than explain or defend their main idea or point. "Debates" with liberals usually goes the latter way, with the "win" delineated by the obvious insanity or complete illogic of the lib caller.

Posted by: SGT Ted at December 29, 2013 04:17 AM (CtKeI)

243 Good post. I will say it again for the umpteenth time: someone should launch a truly right-wing news channel to demonstrate how centrist Fox really is.

Posted by: Ten Most Interesting Man at December 29, 2013 05:22 AM (Vvrdq)

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