June 28, 2011

Leahy Extorts Three Obama Nominees For Payment For Doing His Job; ATF Head Melson Will Testify
— Ace

The good news: He'll testify.

The bad news: Leahy is agreeing that he should testify (after extorting a political concession from Charles Grassley), so Leahy probably thinks it's already been fixed.

We'll see.

Don't get your hopes up too high because Leahy wouldn't agree to this if it was going to wipe out Eric Holder.

But...

As head of the agency that conducted the controversial sting, Melson has faced calls for his resignation. But in private conversations with congressional investigators in recent days, Melson has indicated he does not believe he did anything wrong because he carried out his bosses’ wishes and is eager to testify to describe the full picture, according to sources familiar with those conversations.

Bob Owens games out various outcomes of the testimony.

Of course eyes will be drawn to Scenario 3...

3. Breuer isn’t the highest link in the chain: Melson implicates Attorney General Eric Holder.

Chairman Issa states that AG Holder “absolutely” knew about Gunwalker earlier than he testified that he did, and if Issa has the evidence to prove that the attorney general is part of a cover-up, then there is every reason to suspect Holder will be forced to resign, or will face impeachment.

This is a far more likely scenario than many think.

Well, we'll see. Pat Leahy is many things, but he's not stupid.

Tell a lie, he is stupid. Okay, so he's stupid. But he probably has people who aren't stupid telling him what to do.

BTW: The ATF Fired the Whistleblower Here. Sure that's a coincidence.

The Obama Administration would never fire a whistleblower, because that's illegal.

Posted by: Ace at 12:35 PM | Comments (106)
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1 Vermont. Ben and Jerry's and Kolonel Sanders. Bernie, that is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 28, 2011 12:37 PM (UlUS4)

2 Cripes-I shoulda shot that moron.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at June 28, 2011 12:38 PM (6TB1Z)

3
remember how hard it was to get them to say "radical Islam?"

Posted by: soothie at June 28, 2011 12:39 PM (G/zuv)

4 Does everyone agree that this operation was approved by the Obama Administration to embaress the gun lobby to get more new oppresive gun laws passed?  Both Obama and Holder at least gave it a nod.  This is one of those "under the radar" things that he was working on when he promised the Brady group things were going to get done.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at June 28, 2011 12:40 PM (NNrYJ)

5 Just wondering why appointments must be made to extract documents which must be turned over via the law.
Democraps do not ask a question unless they know the answer so the fix is absolutely, positively in.
They have their stories straight and without a real news media, they will get away with it.

Posted by: baseballguy at June 28, 2011 12:40 PM (MaS0T)

6
Someone acted stupidly.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (QMtmy)

7 Leahy is stupid.  No, he probably has noodled out the first, and maybe even the second level of this contest.  Unfortunately for him, even if the fix ix in, if Melton is caught lying, then there'll be additional pressure to come clean.  Then the fun begins!

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (ucq49)

8 The ATF whistleblower who got fired was on F&F this morning along with Issa.  Felt bad for the guy....24 year veteran.

Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (X6akg)

9 Horse's heads hardest hit.

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (GTbGH)

10 Dick Cheney had the best comment about Leahy.

Posted by: Nameless at June 28, 2011 12:41 PM (fiLQD)

11 Not the sockpuppet Dick Cheney. The real one.

Posted by: Nameless at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (fiLQD)

12 Jeez, what a creep!

Posted by: Lisa Baron at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (SwkdU)

13

Over/under on 5th amendment invocations?

I'll go with a conservative three.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (B+qrE)

14 You would think Obama would have people telling him not to do stupid things either.  Leahy's old and a Deadhead, so it is entirely possible he has morphed into Joe Biden.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (dZ756)

15 Apropos nothing at all...I look great from behind when I'm on all fours.  Ari said it looked like a heart.  Then he didn't call me.

Posted by: Lisa Baron at June 28, 2011 12:43 PM (2kFrT)

16

Ari said it looked like a heart.  Then he didn't call me.

That is the funny slicing hammer there.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 28, 2011 12:46 PM (B+qrE)

17 >>>Does everyone agree that this operation was approved by the Obama Administration to embaress the gun lobby to get more new oppresive gun laws passed? No. I do not think that will ever be proven to be a motive. But who knows... maybe some people didn't MIND if a lot of Mexicans (and border patrol agents) got shot to death as a bit of Secondary Benefit for the purpose of gun control.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 12:47 PM (nj1bB)

18 Come January 21, 2013, there's going to be an awful lot of creeps getting presidential pardons.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 28, 2011 12:48 PM (UlUS4)

19

5 Just wondering why appointments must be made to extract documents which must be turned over via the law.

Don't ask me!

Posted by: Sandy Burgler at June 28, 2011 12:48 PM (vI8R6)

20
Leahy's old and a Deadhead, so it is entirely possible he has morphed into Joe Biden.




Cockholster's also a huge Batman fan. Finagled his way into a cameo in The Dark Knight.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 12:49 PM (8rHXV)

21 For the record, I did not blow anyone named in this particular article.

Posted by: Lisa Baron at June 28, 2011 12:49 PM (nj1bB)

22 I'll bet when Melson is at the witness stand, Vinenzo Pentangeli will be at the rear with Tom Hagen. A'capit?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 28, 2011 12:49 PM (UlUS4)

23 if it was going to wipe out Eric Holder.

Maybe TPTB are starting to see Holder as a substantial liability and don't want to be carrying his baggage, in addition to O's through the 2012 campaign.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2011 12:52 PM (0q2P7)

24

Ace, I'm going to have to go with you. I THINK Obama suggested what he wanted and let his people do all th ework. He threw out a talking point about stricter gun control, talked about "under the radar" and his people did the rest. Barry has no clue what they did, because it was never on his teleprompter.

Thus giving him deniability.

They were misguided in the efforts to get what the president wanted, see. They just went about it the wrong way.

Posted by: todler at June 28, 2011 12:53 PM (fPOY0)

25 Re: the update I want it known I do not consider myself a whistleblower. Not a... *whistle* blower. Wink.

Posted by: Lisa Baron at June 28, 2011 12:53 PM (nj1bB)

26 Every time I hear Leahy speak, I'm amazed. He sounds like he's 187 years old, a senile, confused, doddering relic from a bygone era.

And he's one of the most powerful men in the world.

"Well, there's your problem, America."

Posted by: Llarry at June 28, 2011 12:53 PM (SI/pw)

27 They have probably figured out some way to put the blame on the Bush administration.


Posted by: crosspatch at June 28, 2011 12:55 PM (ZbLJZ)

28 Felt bad for the guy....24 year veteran. Posted by: Tami at June 28, 2011 05:41 PM (X6akg) Ah, so he was part of the ATF in 1992.

Posted by: Fake Ace at June 28, 2011 12:55 PM (lT0LC)

29

Senator Depends

 

Posted by: IE Con at June 28, 2011 12:55 PM (/COcn)

30 Sorry to be skeptical but if there was any chance Melson would give testimony to harm the Obama administration  Leahy would never have agreed to it. The fix is in....

Posted by: Donna at June 28, 2011 12:56 PM (bdE9c)

31 Posted by: Llarry at June 28, 2011 05:53 PM (SI/pw) Jeez, that's exactly what Anthony Weiner and Debbie Wasserman-Test sound like when they bloviate.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 28, 2011 12:56 PM (UlUS4)

32 No. I do not think that will ever be proven to be a motive.

But who knows... maybe some people didn't MIND if a lot of Mexicans (and border patrol agents) got shot to death as a bit of Secondary Benefit for the purpose of gun control.


Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 05:47 PM (nj1bB)

Ace, I know it will never be proven.  Heck it will never even be brought up, but, this smacks of Twinkle Toes Rahm never let a crisis go to waste, even if you have to invent the crisis first.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at June 28, 2011 12:56 PM (NNrYJ)

33 But who knows... maybe some people didn't MIND if a lot of Mexicans (and border patrol agents) got shot to death as a bit of Secondary Benefit for the purpose of gun control.


Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 05:47 PM (nj1bB)

Ace, I don't think anyone is saying that they meant anyone to die. Just that they intentionally let the guns cross the border (proven) in order to later point to these captured guns as proof America's gun laws contribute to violence. And, as evidence by the breaking eggs comment, they had callous disregard to *potential* (not to say intended) violence done with the guns by drug lords. Probably because they assumed (rightly, I'm sure) that the drug gangs would get guns from somewhere, so if we let them get them from us, and proved that (except for our role in it which wasn't supposed to come out), there would be an outcry against gun freedom by the public and beaurocrats at the ATF and elsewhere would be empowered to keep America safer.

No, it can't be proven, but given that any other explanation is utterly absurd given jurisditional problems, lack of any real pay-off, etc., this is a strong liklihood.

 

Posted by: Randy M at June 28, 2011 12:57 PM (vI8R6)

34 I wonder if Melson will say that there were a lot of "buffers" between him and 0bama.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 28, 2011 12:57 PM (UlUS4)

35 Whistleblower rights, like academic freedom, were just lefty fronts to hurt the country. The water sure doesn't flow both ways here.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 28, 2011 12:58 PM (QxSug)

36 I don't know what the motive WAS to letting the guns cross the border. But asking Melson what the desired end state of F&F was might be a good question.

Posted by: XBradTC at June 28, 2011 01:00 PM (BbFtw)

37 Cockholster's also a huge Batman fan. Finagled his way into a cameo in The Dark Knight.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 05:49 PM (8rHXV)

I only like Batman because he has the best villains.

Posted by: Patrick LaTueur Leahy at June 28, 2011 01:00 PM (T0NGe)

38 The ATF whistleblower

Train? Where's the train?

Posted by: L'il Joey Biden at June 28, 2011 01:00 PM (iYbLN)

39
It would be extra ball dippingly good if this were to reach Janet. 

I despise her for what she has done with the TSA.

Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2011 01:01 PM (VMcEw)

40

Well, we'll see. Pat Leahy is many things, but he's not stupid.

 

So he's not like Anthony Weiner?  Or any number of congressmen past and present who thought they had the situation under control?  Does Bill Clinton or Richard Nixon ring a bell?  Arrogance has the best track record of bringing the mighty down.  

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 01:02 PM (FQaVj)

41 Barry has no clue what they did, because it was never on his teleprompter.

Thus giving him deniability.

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome snowbilly?"

Posted by: B H Obama II at June 28, 2011 01:02 PM (T0NGe)

42 It would be extra ball dippingly good if this were to reach Janet.

How did she get her job?

Posted by: Lisa Baron, emminently qualified at June 28, 2011 01:02 PM (SwkdU)

43 No, Patrick, I do not need another 'press secretary'. Once was enough.

Posted by: "ATF Head" Melson at June 28, 2011 01:04 PM (FcR7P)

44 Hey, Cefalu, you know my administration's policy: No Snitchin'

Posted by: B H Obama II at June 28, 2011 01:04 PM (T0NGe)

45 Grassley is a drooling fucking imbecile so, I bet the fix is in and we just got played.

Posted by: Plodding forward at June 28, 2011 01:04 PM (EL+OC)

46
It would be extra ball dippingly good if this were to reach Janet. 







Ball-dipping and Big Sis should never be mentioned in the same comment.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 01:05 PM (8rHXV)

47 I'd hate to see how these assholes tried to bust up a child porn ring.

Posted by: garrett at June 28, 2011 01:05 PM (FpD49)

48 My guess is that Melson won't be able to say for sure that Holder knew anything before he said he knew it.  He'll have suspicions and argue Holder "must have known" but no smoking gun.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 28, 2011 01:06 PM (T0NGe)

49

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Posted by: Erotic Cakes at June 28, 2011 01:06 PM (K2wpv)

50 17 >>>Does everyone agree that this operation was approved by the Obama Administration to embaress the gun lobby to get more new oppresive gun laws passed?
=====
No. I do not think that will ever be proven to be a motive.

But who knows... maybe some people didn't MIND if a lot of Mexicans (and border patrol agents) got shot to death as a bit of Secondary Benefit for the purpose of gun control.
=====

Unfortunately, this operation was such a cock-up, there aren't a lot of explanations that make sense.   That someone in the Obama administration thought that leaking American guns into Mexico might be a good way to further domestic Federal gun restriction (ie "control") happens to be one of the theories that does explain this.

Assuming its true, the only way something like that could be proven is if one of the principals involved explicitly says so.

Though that seems unlikely, it remains to be seen what ATF director Melton says.   He probably doesn't appreciate being hung out to dry on this by the Obama administration, and if given complete immunity, hell, he might even tell the truth.


Posted by: looking closely at June 28, 2011 01:06 PM (KNy97)

51 I know "thar she blows".  What's the equivalent for tentacles?

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:07 PM (ucq49)

52 I'd hate to see how these assholes tried to bust up a child porn ring.

We'll just watch and see where they are taking those hijacked airplanes.

Posted by: ATF investigating Al Qaeda at June 28, 2011 01:07 PM (0q2P7)

53 >>Ball-dipping and Big Sis should never be mentioned in the same comment.

It is a paradox, ya know.

Posted by: sTevo at June 28, 2011 01:09 PM (VMcEw)

54

Well, we'll see. Pat Leahy is many things, but he's not stupid.

 

So he's not like Anthony Weiner?  Or any number of congressmen past and present who thought they had the situation under control?  Does Bill Clinton or Richard Nixon ring a bell?  Arrogance has the best track record of bringing the mighty down.  

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 06:02 PM (FQaVj

 

Oh, and remember the Iran/Contra affair?  So many of these wise congressmen thought they could control what Ollie North had to say.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 01:09 PM (FQaVj)

55 I shudder to think of what an "erotic cake" would be made of

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 28, 2011 01:09 PM (K7hz4)

56 If this were my organization?  Heads would roll.

Posted by: Kalid Sheik Mohammed at June 28, 2011 01:10 PM (XaBEV)

57 Hmm.  Grassley and Leahy are Senators, right?  How does this effect Issa's investigation?  Will Melson now have to appear there as well?

Posted by: toby928 at June 28, 2011 01:10 PM (GTbGH)

58 I know "thar she blows".  What's the equivalent for tentacles?

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Posted by: Anime Voice Actress at June 28, 2011 01:11 PM (0q2P7)

59   55 I shudder to think of what an "erotic cake" would be made of

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 28, 2011 06:09 PM (K7hz4)

Could be better than pudding....

Maybe.

Posted by: KG at June 28, 2011 01:11 PM (uU5fM)

60 Every time I hear Leahy speak, I'm amazed. He sounds like he's 187 years old, a senile, confused, doddering relic from a bygone era.

And he's one of the most powerful men in the world.

"Well, there's your problem, America."
Posted by: Llarry at June 28, 2011 05:53 PM

I keep waiting for him to shake his fist and shout "Barbaric."

Posted by: huerfano at June 28, 2011 01:13 PM (XaBEV)

61
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 28, 2011 01:14 PM (8rHXV)

62 55 I shudder to think of what an "erotic cake" would be made of

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 28, 2011 06:09 PM (K7hz4)

Just try really hard not to think about what's in the frosting...

Posted by: Insomniac at June 28, 2011 01:14 PM (v+QvA)

63 Don't think of it as extortion, more like paying the ransom for the three Grassley was holding.

Posted by: SaintGeorgeGentile at June 28, 2011 01:14 PM (phLF8)

64 Posted by: Erotic Cakes at June 28, 2011 06:06 PM (K2wpv) lol, I love Hall & Oates.

Posted by: Fake Ace at June 28, 2011 01:15 PM (lT0LC)

65

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 06:02 PM (FQaVj)

You missed my point, ie "the fun begins".  Where events spiral out of the awesomeness.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:16 PM (ucq49)

66

Grassley is a drooling fucking imbecile so, I bet the fix is in and we just got played.

Sadly, yes. Leahy is a disgusting slimy and smarmy cheat, probably the best at that save for Schumer.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 28, 2011 01:17 PM (ujg0T)

67

Rep. Issa and Sen. Grassley should grant Melson qualified immunity.  If he sings like a bird and its all true, no charges against Melson.

Lets find out who knew what when before we find another Vince Foster on a park bench with blood found in his office.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 28, 2011 01:18 PM (Zd0YP)

68 Holder is probably safe in the short-term, and Obama will not be directly linked, but this is still a very good thing. Anything that chips away at the veneer of respectability -- that presents them as anything else other than the upstanding citizens they claim to be -- will hurt them in the polls and in the ballot box.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at June 28, 2011 01:18 PM (LH6ir)

69

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at June 28, 2011 01:23 PM (UqKQV)

70 Holder is probably safe in the short-term, and Obama will not be directly linked, but this is still a very good thing. Anything that chips away at the veneer of respectability

IDK. Like I said; This might be the first part of Holder being chucked under the bus.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2011 01:23 PM (0q2P7)

71 Will he be sworn??? Big question here. If this was a Dem committee and interviewing a Republican you can bet your ass he would be.

I damn sure hope they swear him in otherwise he will be certain to lie his ass off. Even if he is sworn he will probably still lie.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:23 PM (M9Ie6)

72 BTW - there's been at least two, if not three ATF whistleblowers already fired.  Where's the Grey Lady?  WaPo, LAT, etc defending these truth tellers?   What?  Oh.  Never mind.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:23 PM (ucq49)

73 Unless Melton manages to fall on his sword so convincingly that everyone believes this was all his idea, this scandal isn't going to go away quickly.  Unknown (so far) Democrats thought they were going to get a juicy gun control law out of this fiasco.  Instead they gave the NRA an issue to whip up the troops with and get another Get-Out-The-Vote operation going for all the pro-gun GOP candidates.  Ask Mike Dukakis about what happens when the NRA goes full bore for the GOP candidate. 

Posted by: The Law of Unintended Consequences at June 28, 2011 01:24 PM (1+CnU)

74 If he isn't sworn it will just be another deal for another bag of Democrat beans.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:24 PM (M9Ie6)

75 I think what I'm trying to say is that facts -- real world events-- can be proven. What happens subjectively inside one's head cannot be. Recall Hillary Clinton's insistence that she didn't know all of her legal work for Whitewater was for Whitewater (when she told the FBI she never worked on Whitewater) because she never heard the term "whitewater," ever, and only knew the development by its billing code, WTC or something. If you're hooking your hopes up to proof that subjective mental states will be proven, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2011 01:24 PM (nj1bB)

76 You know what word I didn't see?  "Immunity."


Posted by: AmishDude at June 28, 2011 01:26 PM (T0NGe)

77 IDK. Like I said; This might be the first part of Holder being chucked under the bus.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2011 06:23 PM

The wheels on the bus go thump thump thump.  If Steadman did not know about an operation that broke the law, he is derelict.  If he did know, he is complicit.  Either way, he should be gone.

Posted by: huerfano at June 28, 2011 01:26 PM (XaBEV)

78

Director Melton, do you understand that you are under oath and there are consequences to lying to the US Senate?

Director Melton, have all the documents requested, relevant to this investigation been delivered?

Director Melton, saying “to the best of my knowledge” isn’t going to work this time.  People have died.  I’ll give you 2 weeks, using the vast resources of DOJ and ATF to ensure that all relevant documents have been delivered.  At that time I expect to receive said documents, along with the following:

A detailed description of what definition of “relevant” was used

A detailed description of types of documents that were deemed not “relevant”

A detailed description of means/methods used to meet this request, as well as all emails, correspondence, and DBs searched, as well as those not searched.

A signed affidavit from each and every individual that was involved in or had 
input into the decision of relevancy, means/methods, etc, and their  
rationale/justification thereof.

A signed affidavit from each and every individual described above, attesting to 
the complete disclosure of all documents requested.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:27 PM (ucq49)

79 At least we can get Holder's scalp.The next AG will be just as bad of course.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2011 01:28 PM (tw/bk)

80 79 Or a thread about the breast milk sprayer.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2011 01:29 PM (tw/bk)

81 It's always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth.

Posted by: Juror #8 at June 28, 2011 01:29 PM (HjxoE)

82 If the gun walker flailex was really concocted with ulterior motives, e.g.; back door to gun control, then there is no way that this will ever be allowed to come out.  People will be permitted to speculate but that's it.  The lid will be triple welded on this thing.   And the reason for that is that if it was a gun control scheme wherein people had to die in order to make the gun control point, then there is no way that this did not go way up the chain.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 28, 2011 01:29 PM (jx2j9)

83 If the gun walker flailex was really concocted with ulterior motives, e.g.; back door to gun control, then there is no way that this will ever be allowed to come out.  People will be permitted to speculate but that's it.  The lid will be triple welded on this thing.   And the reason for that is that if it was a gun control scheme wherein people had to die in order to make the gun control point, then there is no way that this did not go way up the chain. Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 28, 2011 06:29 PM

Is Mexico considered flyover country?  Do border agents have "sloping foreheads?"

Posted by: huerfano at June 28, 2011 01:32 PM (XaBEV)

84 You know what word I didn't see?  "Immunity."

He's banking on the fact that what he was doing (e.g. selectively enforcing the law) was not by itself illegal, and the decision to do so did not rest with him.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2011 01:33 PM (0q2P7)

85 At least we can get Holder's scalp.The next AG will be just as bad of course.

Posted by: steevy at June 28, 2011 06:28 PM (tw/bk)

Perhaps if we get that asshole Graham off the Judiciary committee we can hold it up long enough for Obama to be out of office.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:33 PM (M9Ie6)

86 ack door to gun control, then there is no way that this will ever be allowed to come out.

Yes but only Holder and above would know that for certain. And he's the type who would sacrifice himself for the cause and stay quiet.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 28, 2011 01:34 PM (0q2P7)

87 If you're hooking your hopes up to proof that subjective mental states will be proven, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.  Posted by: ace

The awesome impossible scenario that we would like to see doesn't have anything to do with 'mental states.' If there were discussions between the administration and the DOJ, there's no need to speculate on motives. If notes were taken or people ordered to do something, that would be evidence not conjecture.

There probably won't be a 'smoking gun' like piece of evidence but conspiracies, the real prosecuted kind, don't revolve around what's inside one person's head.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 28, 2011 01:36 PM (qaU+h)

88

"How does this effect Issa's investigation?  "

Therein lies the rub.  A Dim attempt at damage control.  Let the ever growing horned (RINO) Grassley, handle it, so there's no need for Issa.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:36 PM (ucq49)

89 A question.  Could Issa, from the senate testimony, call these same people to a House committee hearing?

Posted by: Soona at June 28, 2011 01:36 PM (FQaVj)

90

If you're hooking your hopes up to proof that subjective mental states will be proven, you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment.

Exactly ace. Melton will fall on the sword in exchagne for a lobbyist hack job when he does not lie as Vic pointed out. And Leahy will give his disgusting cackle. I suspect he and Schumer were behind all this, where the Obamunists were not.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 28, 2011 01:36 PM (ujg0T)

91 A Dim attempt at damage control.  Let the ever growing horned (RINO) Grassley, handle it, so there's no need for Issa.

Exactly, a Dem committee. We will have to see if Issa gets a shot. Supposedly he has issued a subpoena and will issue contempt charges if it is not followed.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 01:39 PM (M9Ie6)

92 Posted by: Diggum at June 28, 2011 06:27 PM (hne2F)

yes.  but first you must blow me

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at June 28, 2011 01:45 PM (UqKQV)

93

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 06:39 PM (M9Ie6)

We're on the same page.  Issa will try to push forward, under a concerted barrage from the Dim-MFM axis - the Senate is handling this.  Issa's efforts are nothing more than a witch hunt.  A waste of the tax payers $.  A diversion from more important iyems like ..... fill in the blanks.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 01:46 PM (ucq49)

94  I'm sooo sick and tired of these important topics. Can't we just have some nice obscure quotes that start a flame(r) war?

Posted by: Diggum at June 28, 2011 06:27 PM (hne2F)

PalinRINOCODGodGaysButtsecks.

 

Discuss.

Posted by: CAC at June 28, 2011 01:55 PM (7Z9P3)

95 I'm not excited or oozing anticipation because nothin' been done yet. 

Wake me when somebody gets indicted.  That'll stop the yawning............

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at June 28, 2011 01:57 PM (UqKQV)

96 PalinRINOCODGodGaysButtsecks.

LOL, CAC some of those threads were getting kind of "overnightish" and even beyond.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 02:01 PM (M9Ie6)

97 Exactly, a Dem committee. We will have to see if Issa gets a shot. Supposedly he has issued a subpoena and will issue contempt charges if it is not followed.

Posted by: Vic at June 28, 2011 06:39 PM (M9Ie6)

That may be the attempt here.  Maybe they know Melson's testimony will be bad, but better to get it in front of the Senate and try to keep him from going to Issa.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 28, 2011 02:03 PM (T0NGe)

98

Here's how you'll know when things start unraveling, and the Dims have gone to DefCon3 - Lanny Davis.  All over the airways.

DefCon1 - Ben Veniste, partisan hack from Watergate to Whitewater, to 9/11.

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 02:13 PM (ucq49)

99 The witness testimony orchestrated by Leahy will bridge the nexus between gun running and gum running.

The DOJ will stonewall based upon "security concerns", no documentation will be provided, a general denial will be issued and this will be unceremoniously buried.

The make believe media will blame Issa for being on a witch hunt and three nominees will get approved as the "tradeoff".


Posted by: blind lemon cello at June 28, 2011 02:27 PM (oxqER)

100

"The make believe media will blame Issa for being on a witch hunt and three nominees will get approved as the "tradeoff".

And once again, no surprise, the Dims will have out politiced the GOP.  The GOP, still oblivious to Alinsky, the ends justify the means, the back stabbong, cork screwing, double dealing, of the Dims.

It's primary time!  Hatch & Grassley, just for starters.  Linseed Gwaham.  Let the people's voice be heard!

Posted by: we'll see at June 28, 2011 02:36 PM (ucq49)

101 HOW BIG A MORON DOES IT TAKE TO THINK SPAMMING AN EBOOK IS A GOOD MARKETING STRATEGY?

Posted by: SKYNET at June 28, 2011 04:03 PM (D6Uk6)

102

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

 

 

 

 

 

Contrast this with the Greatest Orator Of All Time. He so eloquently made essentially the same point with "So the Republicans, they're sittin' on the side of the road drinkin' Slurpees, while I'm tryin' to get the car outta the ditch."

President Golfsalot, Multiple Speeches, USA, Summer 2010

Posted by: Mayday at June 28, 2011 04:24 PM (TRgli)

103 Check out the IBD editorial from 6/22/2011.  This "operation" definitely jumped the shark.  It was ingenious, really.  The only thing that "they" didn't take into consideration was that agents may blow the whistle on them, because "they" threatened the agents with the equivalent of a dishonorable discharge, ruining their professional careers.

What the IBD editorial gets wrong is its assertion that "they" didn't expect US agents to be shot by the AKMs they let walk.  They most certainly did expect US agents to be shot.  They were counting on it.  How else could they create the firestorm necessary to pass another Clintonesque gun ban?

Ask yourself; how could these weapons be tracked after they were allowed to walk?  What difference does it make even if they could be tracked if they are ultimately going to end up in the hands of known drug cartels?  Are we somehow lacking evidence that the drug cartels are the bad guys, and if only we could catch them with a strawman purchase we could shut them down?

No.  There is only one logical conclusion that can be drawn from this operation; to create the righteous indignation caused by a US agent being murdered at the hands of the drug cartels by a smuggled US firearm.  One of thousands of such firearms purchased by strawman buyers.  Purchases that could not have been made had the Clinton gun ban not been sunset.

My respect for the federal law enforcement community has only been increased by the exposure of this devious scheme.  These LEOs put their lives on the line for this country everyday, and to see their lives lost and careers destroyed by unscrupulous politicians is heartbreaking.

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Posted by: chaeli at June 28, 2011 06:39 PM (Oir6w)

105

@ 78

I want you on my legal team, handling discovery.

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