February 28, 2017

Just Like Hitler Did in 1937, Trump Plans Deep Cuts to US State Department and EPA
— Ace

As Thomas Jefferson said: "Beware the tyrant who would cut the Environmental Protection Agency, because there is no tree of liberty without a tree. Google it."

Reuters:

The White House will send federal departments a budget proposal on Monday containing the defense spending increase President Donald Trump promised, financed partly by cuts to the U.S. State Department, Environmental Protection Agency and other non-defense programs, two officials familiar with the proposal said....

A second official said the State Department's budget could be cut by as much as 30 percent, which would force a major restructuring of the department and elimination of programs.

I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department.

Meanwhile, a GOP proposal on Obamacare could slash funding to states for the program by up to 80%.

A GOP proposal to repeal and reform parts of Obamacare could cut federal funding to state health care programs between 65 and 80 percent, according to one analysis.

There's a lot of mere talk on that issue and a lot of Republicans seem to be very reluctant to do what they promised to do. And Trump himself, and some in his circle of advisers, seem reluctant as well.

Jim Geraghty notes that tonight's SOTU speech to a joint session of Congress will be a moment that Trump will not be able to avoid being specific about his plans on Obamacare... though I imagine he will avoid doing so anyway.

Trump recently said, "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

As everyone knows, "It's complicated" means you are kinda-sorta free to date other policy options, though there may be some rules about what times of day you're allowed to call.

Posted by: Ace at 11:41 AM | Comments (374)
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1 Trump will fix it.

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (dargh)

2 Trump needs to get some nutty commie to burn down Foggy Bottom. Then, Hitler.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (8ZskC)

3 HelloOOOooooo

Posted by: Bruce at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (8ikIW)

4 nd

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (vur0q)

5 And quick as a flash there's our old friend Unca Linseed Graham saying Trump's budget is dead on arrival.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (4ErVI)

6 Damn...missed it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:36 AM (vur0q)

7 Prevent human waste in hallways and save America's waterways! Shut down the EPA!

Posted by: Buzzion at February 28, 2017 11:37 AM (6fdgQ)

8 Squuuueeeeeeeee HuffPo has a list of all the horribleness Trump has done already He should read it to the joint session of Congress

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 11:37 AM (MZ/gs)

9 Just like with immigration. There are laws and regs that are either ignored or not enforced on the medical industry.

Posted by: Bruce at February 28, 2017 11:38 AM (8ikIW)

10 It's not you, it's me.

Posted by: ObamaCare at February 28, 2017 11:38 AM (QQ+il)

11 Nice new thread smell.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 11:38 AM (p+Wdc)

12 Not a State of the Union. Loose shit, man.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 28, 2017 11:38 AM (SG1r4)

13 Top 20.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (ij6Va)

14 Trump needs Congress to dump Obamacare and Congress has more pussies than a parade of Trigglypuffs

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (MZ/gs)

15 It's not you; it's me.

Posted by: Health Care at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (nlbfN)

16 I have this dream where I just slash 90% out of the budget of any non-defense/natsec agency. Fingers crossed, Trump.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (xJa6I)

17 Lying in bed Just like Adolf Hitler did

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (1FqsX)

18 How many members of the GOPe are going to fight him tooth and nail over the State Dept. cuts?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (PY9jH)

19 How about this: as an interim solution, just pass a law that lets people opt out of the ACA. And lets insurers sell what those people want. And/or as an interim, let states opt out of ACA requirements. And let people buy across state lines. These are not complicated.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2017 11:39 AM (2lndx)

20 I wish he would just demand 12 separate budgets, one for each department. And then veto most of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (vur0q)

21 Private sector has had to deal with RIFs since forever. Gubmint types need to feel our pain.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (nNdYv)

22 It's not you. It's me.

Posted by: amy schumer at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (nlbfN)

23 Harrumph!

Posted by: The Deep State at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (oVJmc)

24 You know who looked like Hitler?  David Axelrod, that's who.  Even after he shaved his Nazi mustache off.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (PY9jH)

25 So maybe someone educated in the law can help me understand. You can't fire civil servants, unless the budget is formally cut by Congress? And then you can do whatever you want without repercussions?

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (njtEN)

26 Also, OT and I apologize for that, but I came across a weird French animated sci fi movie on Youtube called Gandahr Light Years. It has boobs (It IS French, after all) but it's weird and kinda cool.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 28, 2017 11:40 AM (xJa6I)

27 *21 Private sector has had to deal with RIFs since forever. Gubmint types need to feel our pain. Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 04:40 PM (nNdYv)* I'm just adhering to one of Obomba's key principles: SHARED SACRIFICE

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (nNdYv)

28 Trump recently said, "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated." I've been warming to trump over the last six months or so, but that was kind of a dumb thing to say.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (Xuv2G)

29 GOP proposal to repeal and reform parts of Obamacare could cut federal funding to state health care programs between 65 and 80 percent, according to one analysis.

Bet all those states that passed Medicare expansion are feeling pretty good about their decision right now.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (jxbfJ)

30 This "Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" line sounds like a Trump joke that the media is reporting as though he said it 100% straight with no smile, with a look of grim determination as though he was just coming up with this idea. I mean, is that likely? Or is it more likely that he said "We have a health plan that I think is great, but it's really complicated" and then added with a grin "Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated!" I've learned, from their repeated abuse, not to trust them unless I see video. And I find it strange that I haven't yet seen video about this.

Posted by: BoB at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (P3w3I)

31 I want a tax cut and more competitive health care services from my insurance provider.  Repeal, do NOT replace.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (YAPkP)

32 24 You know who looked like Hitler? David Axelrod, that's who. Even after he shaved his Nazi mustache off. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 04:40 PM (PY9jH) =================== "I had it first!" -Charlie Chaplin, evil socialist asshole who hated the system that made him rich, but also made entertaining movies

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (vur0q)

33 Bi-partisan immigration...complicated.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (X+rUO)

34 Jim Geraghty notes that tonight's SOTU will be a moment that Trump will not be able to avoid being specific about his plans on Obamacare... though I imagine he will avoid doing so anyway. -- LOL Jimmy, baby, you're setting yourself up to be severally disappointed.

Posted by: WisRich at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (hdpay)

35 So tired of so called conservatives bashing PDT. If Ted Cruz was in charge, they'd be so proud. Every effing day. * Looking at Ben Domenech

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 11:41 AM (48QDY)

36 I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department. Make the point to the specific clause in the constitution that authorizes their existence.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (QFqpA)

37 states should also be allowed to opt out of Medicaid.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo, at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (OrgN4)

38 It's literally 1937 all over again.

Posted by: SJW Idiocracy at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (Tyii7)

39 29 GOP proposal to repeal and reform parts of Obamacare could cut federal funding to state health care programs between 65 and 80 percent, according to one analysis. Bet all those states that passed Medicare expansion are feeling pretty good about their decision right now. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 04:41 PM (jxbfJ) ================== "It's amazing! And my dad was a postman!" -John Kasich, true conservative

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (vur0q)

40 Does anybody know what State spends money on? Would a big cut result in, say, closed consulates, or are they doing stuff like funding abortions in Mali?

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (Xuv2G)

41 The but but but but you mean people happy about this are wishing ill on people with houses! And families! And families who live in houses! Well, buttercup, I'm willing to bet those at the EPA didn't give a single shit that they took in the halls about all the families who lost their houses due to the EPA regulations. I don't think those who love the administrative state sexually quite grok that we mundanes don't view administrative jobs as being real jobs. They are parasitical jobs, at the very best. There was a National Laughingstock article about Trump repealing to coal regulations that sneered about how it wouldn't save that many jobs and anyway a government study said that job loss would be nearly made up for in the creation of new administrative jobs. Because a coal mining job employs totes the same person as an administrative compliance officer. Totes. The deal used to be that you traded income for job security when you took a government position. Now, government positions (obligatory military exception) have greater job security, higher pay and better benefits. Human nature hasn't changed one tiny bit. Seeing someone who takes money out of your pocket to pay him/herself and makes more than you get his/her comeuppance is schadenbonerific in the extreme.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (mf5HN)

42 RIF. The shockwave will spread beyond Manassas. All those MacMansions going up for sell.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 28, 2017 11:42 AM (0tfLf)

43 There's a lot of mere talk on that issue and a lot of Republicans seem to be very reluctant to do what they promised to do. And Trump himself, and some in his circle of advisers, seem reluctant as well.
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When people get free stuff they get angry when you take it away.

The problem is we have no more money for said free stuff.

If Trump could be bothered to explain that Bush and Obama spent all said money, it might be helpful....

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (X7E8f)

44 "It's complicated" because Trump has so much opposition from his own party. These idiots are probably wetting their pants because CNN tells them the astroturfed mobs at the townhalls are totes for real.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (ZM2xo)

45 Anything short of full repeal and the absolute MINIMUM of government involvement in the health insurance and health care industries should be a non-starter. Sorry. I voted to kill this Evil Edict. Not give it a sex change and call it Mabel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (mbhDw)

46 Miss Lindsey Graham called the cuts "dead on arrival" and Mitch McConnell said the cuts "probably won't pass". John McClain, after shitting himself, mumbled something about defense spending not being increased enough, then took a nap.
http://tinyurl.com/jcveek9

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (4e+hS)

47 All the goys thinks he's a spaz He's got Hermann Goering eyes

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (1FqsX)

48 Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 04:42 PM (QFqpA) BTDT. It's called a RIF. Reduction in Force. Happens every day in the military.

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (48QDY)

49 Its not a deep enough cut, but its a good start. The EPA is like a cancer, whatever value it once had, its grown far beyond and is out of control. I can see a value for it in terms of oceanic waters, national pollution, and rivers that run between states. But its regulating how milk farmers can store milk for crying out loud.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (39g3+)

50 The deal used to be that you traded income for job security when you took a government position. Now, government positions (obligatory military exception) have greater job security, higher pay and better benefits. Like Imperial China.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (QQ+il)

51 28 Trump recently said, "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

I've been warming to trump over the last six months or so, but that was kind of a dumb thing to say.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 04:41 PM (Xuv2G)


If you look it as a barb to the do-nothing GOP, who promised on several consecutive elections to repeal obamacare, and a feet dragging, yet again, it is kind of funny and a Trumpian thing to say.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (GX63o)

52 I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department. Yep. It's called a "reduction in force". The actual layoff can happen surprisingly quickly when the money runs out.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (Xuv2G)

53 Sorry. I voted to kill this Evil Edict. Not give it a sex change and call it Mabel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 04:43 PM (mbhDw)



h8tr!!!!!

Posted by: Mike, now Mabel, sporting new equipment at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (PY9jH)

54 By taking us back to 1937, Trump has wiped out 80 years of Global Warming! Take that, Lefties!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (oVJmc)

55 He's literally going to invade Poland next!

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (CPk08)

56 Already the lefties are crying the hiring freeze is costing working men and women of America jobs, jobs, jobs! I can't wait for the wailing an gnashing of teeth if Trump's budget were to pass.. Hey Libs.. somebody once said "Elections have consequences".. now who was that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (so+oy)

57 It's literally 1937 all over again +++ Well yeah Trump's a Time Lord

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (1FqsX)

58 >>>>I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department.
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.You don't need to fire anyone, simple attrition will bag around a 10% real strength reduction each year.   Trump already put in a system wide hiring freeze except for the Border Patrol agents.  

The Civil service is top heavy and over half of the people are retirement eligible and maxed out on FERS pension payments but they stick around. 

All you have to do is put some new training requirements ni place that will pi$$ them off and make them leave. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (le7jz)

59 So tired of so called conservatives bashing PDT. If Ted Cruz was in charge, they'd be so proud. Every effing day.
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I seem to recall when the GOPe could have probably tilted the scale to Cruz they choose to vote none of the above by choosing Kaisch as their preferred nominee.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (X7E8f)

60 Has McCain volunteered to give the Dems' rebuttal yet?

Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (k/STn)

61 53 h8tr!!!!! Posted by: Mike, now Mabel, sporting new equipment at February 28, 2017 04:44 PM (PY9jH) You best not have a stump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (mbhDw)

62 Yes let's quote the NRO line on Trump and healthcare. Because after all, they were and remain avid supporters of he president. The president is actually pushing the feckless ass covering dickheads in Congress to get this done. Price has been actively engaged also. But yeah. You go NRO.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (gjdGN)

63 Why that's outrageous he's going to cut 24% of EPA funding!

The Founding Fathers knew that protecting the environment---er, wait, scratch that, it's only been around since 1970? Yeah, delegate most/all of its responsibilities to the states and be done with it.


Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (NOIQH)

64 I really, really, really hate the phrase "repeal and replace". Replace with what? Another centralized government "plan" that Republicans back?

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (zoehZ)

65 Every state has it's own EPA to do the heavy lifting. The Federal EPA needs to be reduced to something like the Science Foundation. Just run experiments and provide guidance without binding regulation.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (QQ+il)

66 60 Has McCain volunteered to give the Dems' rebuttal yet? Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (k/STn) I think Murkowski and Collins will do it in pantomime.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (mbhDw)

67 "It's complicated" because Trump has so much opposition from his own party.
--

My new theory:

Most of the GOP are Beta Males happy to be invited to the parties. They don't want to lead, don't want to really accomplish anything.

Trump is a Brooklyn Teamster Alpha.

Reason 1,298 they hate him.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (J5mC3)

68 If Trump could be bothered to explain that Bush and Obama spent all said money, it might be helpful.... I think that would be a great case to make. Honestly I wish Trump would run the State of the Union Address as a business meeting. Here's the agenda, here's where we stand as a business, here's our bottom line. We are too far in debt, and out of liquid assets to spend, so we must make cuts or we have no future. The last two presidents squandered everything we had on pet projects and we cannot afford to do what we have been.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (39g3+)

69 Would a big cut result in, say, closed consulates, or are they doing stuff like funding abortions in Mali? Our hugely successful Malian Eradication Initiative would have to be reduced to three days a week. And the sad truth is that we'd never manage to eradicate all the Malians on that kind of schedule.

Posted by: The U.S. State Department at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (8ZskC)

70 Just like Pol pot did in 1973 Just Like Hitler Did in 1937. Just like Stalin did in 1931. .... Just like Nero did in 64 Just like Sargon II 705 BCE did I miss anybody?

Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 11:45 AM (jpW6t)

71 19 How about this: as an interim solution, just pass a law that lets people opt out of the ACA. And lets insurers sell what those people want. And/or as an interim, let states opt out of ACA requirements. And let people buy across state lines. These are not complicated. Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2017 04:39 PM (2lndx) Nice, but not nearly enough. For one thing there is no transparency in what anything costs in the medical industry. Call around and you'll get a different price for a procedure from every place you contact...if they'll quote you anything at all. They need to require that prices for procedures and test be prominently displayed for anyone to see. Another thing that would help is allowing small businesses to join insurance pools of similar businesses across the country. So instead of just providing coverage for yourself and four or five or twenty or whatever employees, you're sharing the burden with a thousand or five thousand other businesses. Bring back catastrophic coverage for heart attacks, cancer, transplants, etc. It won't be popular, but people need to pay for their doctor's visits out of pocket instead of turning it over to the insurance company. Having transparent pricing and competition will make it easier to find a place that is affordable for out of pocket payment. Use the anti-trust laws to break up the healthcare monopolies. Monopolies only ever drive up prices for everyone. There's a lot more, but that's a start. It's a mess I think because there's this old fashioned idea that because it's life or death stuff that we don't talk about or care about the cost. That shit needs to go.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (4ErVI)

72 Gandahar's dialog apparently was translated by Isaac Asimov

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (OrgN4)

73
I could go with an across the board cut of everything non-military by 10% or 15%.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (ODxAs)

74 Hopefully Trump remembers not to raise his right arm up tonight, because you just know that a still of it will make the front pages, and be compared to Hitler.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (6Ll1u)

75 Remember that environmental disaster that the EPA help avert? Yeah. Me neither. I do remember that I don't want to piss in my yard because then it will classify it as a wetland. And I do remember that the EPA classified CO2 as a pollutant, even though it is generated by animals and plants everyday as part of a natural process. But, hey, at least they averted disaster in Flint Michigan, and Love Canal, and VW emissions scam, and on the Animas River in Colorado. Yeah, there are 50 state environmental agencies. Let's continue to fund the most ineffective environmental agency in the nation.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (4AVeu)

76 55 He's literally going to invade Poland next! Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 04:44 PM (CPk0 Well, Jimmuh could only lust after the Polish people in his heart.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (mbhDw)

77 I wake up every morning thanking God that President Trump is in the White House.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (Om16U)

78 Now, government positions (obligatory military exception) have greater job security, higher pay and better benefits.
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Its odd isn't it then when you give people unlimited power they always use it, in the long term, to benefit themselves? If only history had warned us about this....

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (X7E8f)

79 70 did I miss anybody? Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (jpW6t) ================ "What am I? Chopped liver?" -Robespierre

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (vur0q)

80 I dunno about tree of liberty, but I've definitely got wood.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (0mRoj)

81 I hope Bannon has locked Ivanka in the bunker for a few months.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (X+rUO)

82 Cut fucking bonuses.. bonuses for cripe's sakes! bonuses for a cushy ass job? Fuck 'em.. zero bonuses going forward..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (so+oy)

83 He's literally going to invade Poland next! Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 04:44 PM

Invade?  I dunno.  He might deploy the Golden Scalp Weasel to the Polish/Russian border, though.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 11:46 AM (p+Wdc)

84 In before the Eeyore! Oh. Nevermind.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (XWkhW)

85 52 I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department.

Yep. It's called a "reduction in force". The actual layoff can happen surprisingly quickly when the money runs out. Posted by: Ace's liver


Depends.  If they're relatively unskilled, they can probably bump another drone in another department.  Think secretary.  If they're in a highly skilled position that can only be done by a few, it gets easier.  Think scientist.

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (LAe3v)

86 And wouldn't ya know it, Mitch McConnell has already jumped out there and said "oh no, we can't cut State Dep't spending that much!  We've got to spend more!!!!  More!  MOAR!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (YsaNw)

87 70 did I miss anybody? Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (jpW6t) Zhora, Kaless the Unforgettable and Colonel Green.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (mbhDw)

88 I tried to explain to a "libertarian" why we need cuts to the EPA and how they're hurting people by trying to regulate rainwater in our yards, whether you can keep the pond on your property, and how the EPA rules and regulations hurt businesses.

It seems I hate Gaia and want us all to die.  Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (PY9jH)

89 Has McCain volunteered to give the Dems' rebuttal yet? Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (k/STn) *Ahem* Correct AoSHQ usage is "Senile Media Tool John McCain."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 11:47 AM (8ZskC)

90 All you have to do is put some new training requirements ni place that will pi$$ them off and make them leave. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2017 04:44 PM (le7jz) Oh Hellooooooooo!

Posted by: Edna Banks, Diversity Coordinator at large at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (Xuv2G)

91 I think Murkowski and Collins will do it in pantomime.
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Nah. I'm thinking they'll bring in an angry BLM illegal transgender Somali.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (J5mC3)

92 the corp where i'm employed laid off 5% last year. When the word came down in late 2015 that raises would be deferred until July 2016, I said: here come the layoffs. They're planning another one, because we just got the same announcement. I'll be gone before the next round; my duties were offshored. Well most of them anyway. They didn't even give me the option of cut hours or pay. No, they're in slash/burn mode. That's fine, I never expected to stay here until I retire. But the point is there are workers with families who depend on the biweekly check. When these RIFs happen, the effects ripple across the economy. Why can't the DC metro experience some of those effects that the rest of us have to endure? Don't they appreciate the concept of Shared Sacrifice? They must be un-American.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (nNdYv)

93 It's 4:55. It's almost Trump Punches a Baby in the Dick O'clock.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (4AVeu)

94

 

Has McCain volunteered to give the Dems' rebuttal yet?

Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (k/STn)

 

 

McCain and Miss Lindsey will be doing a townhall hosted by CNN tomorrow.So yes

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (lKyWE)

95 77 I wake up every morning thanking God that President Trump is in the White House. Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 04:46 PM (Om16U) Yes, of course. But now he has to fight the GOP-wing of the Democrat-Socialists.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (mbhDw)

96 Mustache?

Posted by: Oliver Hardy at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (lCPxC)

97 the left is pushing a counter argument these cuts will lead to war. *BLINK* Where have they been since 2001 and how has that large DoS budget demonstrably paid off.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (gjdGN)

98 >>As everyone knows, "It's complicated" means you are kinda-sorta free to date other policy options, though there may be some rules about what times of day you're allowed to call.


What about common-law marriage to SMOD?  Is that an option?  We'll just shack up together, and see how it goes.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (tHwdc)

99 >>Miss Lindsey Graham called the cuts "dead on arrival" and Mitch McConnell said the cuts "probably won't pass". John McClain, after shitting himself, mumbled something about defense spending not being increased enough, then took a nap.
http://tinyurl.com/jcveek9




How many of Obama's budgets were approved by the Senate?
Why do they think that *now* they have a say over federal spending?

Especially amusing after Obama sent billions in cash/gold to Iran without their approval.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (NOIQH)

100 Zhora, Kaless the Unforgettable and Colonel Green. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (mbhDw) Lee Kwan! Krotus!

Posted by: Garth of Izar at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (oVJmc)

101 this is a warm fuzzy tweet https://twitter.com/MarcoGutierrez/status/836271841693970432

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (Om16U)

102 Well, the congress can go ahead and budget it. That doesn't mean Trump has to spend it. He can just make his cuts administratively and he'll come out looking like a hero bringing the year in "under budget". See, that's how a business man manages things. Totally foreign to virtually the entire establishment.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (lJW6d)

103 It seems I hate Gaia and want us all to die. Sigh.
---

OMG.

Me too.

However, I did notice that loving Gaia does not prevent death, and that every living creature on earth eventually dies.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (J5mC3)

104 Someone posted this a few threads ago, Dem leadership promising no disturbances during the SOTU: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-congress-speech-2017-nancy-pelosi-235502 I think it's an ominous sign, as if they were promised something beforehand. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (W8bn5)

105 The deal used to be that you traded income for job security when you took a government position. Now, government positions (obligatory military exception) have greater job security, higher pay and better benefits.


We've had this discussion before, so I'll only remind you that it depends.  Highly skilled = undercompensated
Unskilled = overcompensated


Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (LAe3v)

106 100 Zhora, Kaless the Unforgettable and Colonel Green. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (mbhDw) Lee Kwan! Krotus! Posted by: Garth of Izar at February 28, 2017 04:48 PM (oVJmc) Lee Kwan will go down in history as crying, when hit by a fatal phaser blast: "THIS IS LIBRARY!!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:49 AM (mbhDw)

107 86 And wouldn't ya know it, Mitch McConnell has already jumped out there and said "oh no, we can't cut State Dep't spending that much! We've got to spend more!!!! More! MOAR!!!" Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (YsaNw) Lil' Mitch Yertle used to pay the bully in grade school to hit him harder.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (4ErVI)

108 71 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 04:46 PM (4ErVI) Exactly.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (zoehZ)

109 All you have to do is put some new training requirements ni place that will pi$$ them off and make them leave.
***
New training policy 421B:

All government employees must spend every other winter in Flint MI to count then number of inches of global warming that fall.


Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (X7E8f)

110 We could get another "Sorry it took so long, complicated business".
And then Obamacare will no longer be the health system of the US.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (8J/Te)

111 If you can't fire gov 'workers' can you just cut budgets and lay them off and not rehire?

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (XoldI)

112 Not a State of the Union. Loose shit, man. (Please don't ban me.)

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (pJeRn)

113 However, I did notice that loving Gaia does not prevent death, and that every living creature on earth eventually dies. The tastier, the faster.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (QQ+il)

114 A cut this huge on a federal agency is going to have a massive effect on PornHubs servers, trickling down into the general economy. A rising tide lifts all stiff ones, I think JFK said.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (ZFUt7)

115 Definitely he can do things like cut trips to places, require meetings to be done online instead of in resorts, cut back bennies not in contract, etc.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (39g3+)

116 HEED MY WORDS!!! TRUMP WILL THROW US ALL IN THE CAMPS!!! HE'LL ANNOUNCE IT TONIGHT!!! I AM LITERALLY SHAKING!!!

Posted by: The Hysterical Sally Kohn at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (qJhUV)

117
We all know the easiest and simplest way on healthcare and tax 'reform', but a congress and exec branch controlled by the GOP will not do it.

They won't and we are still boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (ODxAs)

118 Depends. If they're relatively unskilled, they can probably bump another drone in another department. Think secretary. If they're in a highly skilled position that can only be done by a few, it gets easier. Think scientist. Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (LAe3v) Well, yes, the people who get laid off have the least seniority. The point is the job will disappear quickly and someone will get laid off. It all ages the civil service workforce. When I was a contractor they did a civil service RIF at our base and people with 17 and 18 years of seniority were getting laid off because everybody else was more senior.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (Xuv2G)

119 Zhora, Kaless the Unforgettable and Colonel Green. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 04:47 mkay... if we're going in that direction then.... Kodos the Executioner! (I'll take you home again, Kathleen.... One more time!)

Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (jpW6t)

120 107 Lil' Mitch Yertle used to pay the bully in grade school to hit him harder. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 04:50 PM (4ErVI) Double-talking, double-dealing, double-chinned four-eyed fuck-face traitor. Screw!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (mbhDw)

121 A cop knelt and kissed the feet of a priest. And a queer threw up at the sight of that. We have 5 years.

Posted by: SJW Idiocracy at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (Tyii7)

122 35 So tired of so called conservatives bashing PDT. If Ted Cruz was in charge, they'd be so proud. Every effing day. * Looking at Ben Domenech Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 04:41 PM (48QDY) Trump should ask Malaysia what the going rate is to get Ben Domenech to speak favorably about him.

Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (z/Ubi)

123 I dunno. I don't mind a budget cut to a department that somehow "lost" 6 billion under Clinton. How the actual hell do you "lose" 6 billion dollars?

Posted by: Old Blue release the KrakenTrump [/b][/i] [/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (9iR5/)

124 Aaand.....Scott Walker is looking pretty smart these days for not taking that extra Medicaid money. Dopes like Kasich are looking extra Stoopid these days

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (lJW6d)

125 Over at AM Joe this morning, they were literally freaking out that Trump wants to win wars, not just go to war for shits and giggles and call it a day.

Now he's a war monger or something.

I'm pretty sure our military would have loved it when our initial mission in A-stan accomplished its intended purpose, and they had come home to their CiC congratulating them on a job well done.  Winning, if you will.  Same with Iraq. 

No more nation building.  If we have to defeat an enemy, go in, kick ass (no ridiculous ROE), and leave. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (PY9jH)

126 Gandahr Light Years. It has boobs (It IS French, after all) but it's weird and kinda cool.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 28, 2017 04:40 PM (xJa6I)


Thanks for the tip, I watch a lot of YouTube stuff on the big screen with Roku...

Posted by: Colin at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (ec2s9)

127 I've been routinely praying for Beltway real estate prices to fall 40%, for the U-Hauls to be headed out of DC like rabbits flushed from a hedge, we might actually get some of it.

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (TppKb)

128 seriously you will love 101

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (Om16U)

129 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2017 04:46 PM (4ErVI) Great points, all. I had an ER visit with follow-on treatment in 2013. When the bill came, I was stunned at the itemized costs. I paid the ER doc, but called insurance co. to dispute ER bill. The hospital flunky would. not. budge. I tried to price-shop the items on the bill, such as a splint...and no medical supply place would give me any info. The bottom line is I refused to pay the hospital a $900.00 cover charge, just for walking into their facility. Fark the ACA and the horse it rode in on.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (nNdYv)

130 I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department.




More likely they'd be riffed.

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (Mc+44)

131 It seems I hate Gaia and want us all to die. Sigh.
***
Remember kids, the Darwinism part of Social Darwinism comes straight from Gaia herself.

Gaia wants to kill you so, so bad if you aren't genetically superior... Survival of the fittest and all that....

Posted by: 18-1 at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (X7E8f)

132 124 Aaand.....Scott Walker is looking pretty smart these days for not taking that extra Medicaid money. Dopes like Kasich are looking extra Stoopid these days Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 04:51 PM (lJW6d) Meanwhile, at a donut shop in Trenton, NJ . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (mbhDw)

133 24 You know who looked like Hitler? David Axelrod, that's who. Even after he shaved his Nazi mustache off. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 04:40 PM (PY9jH) or Adolph's fat, less crafty brother, as I often thought.....

Posted by: the Butcher at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (AGJqR)

134 Zhora, Kaless the Unforgettable and Colonel Green. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 04:47 KAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!!!!

Posted by: J.T.K. at February 28, 2017 11:53 AM (oVJmc)

135 so Ben D isn't done plagiarizing PJ O Rourke?

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 11:53 AM (OrgN4)

136 How many of Obama's budgets were approved by the Senate? Hell, they never passed a single budget under Obama period. Not one. Only "continuing resolutions" to keep spending what was written in before, with modifications in the bill. One of the few things the US Constitution requires every year of congress is a new budget. And they blew it off 8 years.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:53 AM (39g3+)

137 How many of Obama's budgets were approved by the Senate? In the last ten years how many budgets have there been? One? Two? These days we just do supplemental appropriations.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 11:53 AM (Xuv2G)

138 89 Has McCain volunteered to give the Dems' rebuttal yet? Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 28, 2017 04:45 PM (k/STn) *Ahem* Correct AoSHQ usage is "Senile Media Tool John McCain." Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (8ZskC) Unindicted Keating Co-conspirator

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 28, 2017 11:53 AM (XWkhW)

139 TRUMP HATES CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER AND POLARBEARS!!!

Posted by: Stoopid Moonbat Hippie at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (PiLeq)

140 Unindicted Keating Co-conspirator Former American War Hero.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (QQ+il)

141 Gaia's a bitch.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (Om16U)

142 " If we have to defeat an enemy, go in, kick ass (no ridiculous ROE), and leave." We had a Broadway ticker tape parade after Gulf War I!

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (SIY7D)

143 >>>He's literally going to invade Poland next!<<<

Blitzkrieg is not just the name of some fancy dessert at the Mar-a-Lago al fresco Patio.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (YAPkP)

144 136 How many of Obama's budgets were approved by the Senate? Hell, they never passed a single budget under Obama period. Not one. Only "continuing resolutions" to keep spending what was written in before, with modifications in the bill. One of the few things the US Constitution requires every year of congress is a new budget. And they blew it off 8 years. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 04:53 PM (39g3+) AND . . . IIRC the "Stimulus" was baked into the cake every year thereafter. Nearly $1 trillion every year borrowed and tacked on to fund our own execution. Baseline budgeting, peut-etre?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (mbhDw)

145 >>Hell, they never passed a single budget under Obama period. Not one. Only "continuing resolutions" to keep spending what was written in before, with modifications in the bill. One of the few things the US Constitution requires every year of congress is a new budget. And they blew it off 8 years.



Exactly.
Why do they think they now can force a president to await their approval after shirking that responsibility for 8 years?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (NOIQH)

146 104 Someone posted this a few threads ago, Dem leadership promising no disturbances during the SOTU:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-congress-speech-2017-nancy-pelosi-235502

I think it's an ominous sign, as if they were promised something beforehand. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 04:49 PM (W8bn5)


Out!  Get 'em out of here!  And keep their coats!

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (GX63o)

147 I love threads where everyone knows how hard each and every federal government worker works.

Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to.


Just stop

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (Mc+44)

148 132 124 Aaand.....Scott Walker is looking pretty smart these days for not taking that extra Medicaid money.


Rick Perry turned it down, too.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (YsaNw)

149 The way to properly care for the Hedges of Liberty is to bring in lots of Mexican gardeners

Posted by: Bigby's Typing Hands at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (1FqsX)

150
How the actual hell do you "lose" 6 billion dollars?

This is what Leftists do, they take money from the govt and move it to their crony organizations.  Its how they finance their operations because they have no entrepreneurship. Think Solyndra a million times over.  Just think of all the evil $6 billlion of corruption can finance.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (ODxAs)

151 Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. Why?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (QQ+il)

152 Time to make the sauce. BBL.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (mbhDw)

153 141 Gaia's a bitch.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 04:54 PM (Om16U)


Nope...Gaia's MY bitch!!!

Posted by: The Notorious DJT at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (PiLeq)

154 >>>> It's literally 1937 all over again.
.
.
.They literally think it is.  I read a comment the other day over at HA from some woman who is convinced that Trump will put illegals in a detention camp, mass murder them and then cremate them in ovens like hitler did to the Jews. 

She really believes that. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (le7jz)

155 139 TRUMP HATES CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER AND POLARBEARS!!! Oh, bullshit. They're delicious well-done with ketchup.

Posted by: Don from NYC at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (AuISE)

156 118 Depends. If they're relatively unskilled, they can probably bump another drone in another department. Think secretary. If they're in a highly skilled position that can only be done by a few, it gets easier. Think scientist.
Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 04:47 PM (LAe3v)


Well, yes, the people who get laid off have the least seniority.


Seniority does determine who goes within a particular category.   What I'm talking about is different.  We've had RIFs for low performing scientists as long as I can remember.  To my knowledge, we've never, ever, fired a secretary, some of whom have to be met to be believed.  They're so stupid and lazy it's a wonder they can breathe on their own. 

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 11:56 AM (LAe3v)

157 I'm trying to decide whether the EPA should have 100 employees in total, or 75.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 11:56 AM (Sfs6o)

158 Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. I have good evidence that the Yeti exists.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 11:56 AM (8ZskC)

159 >>It's complicated" because Trump has so much opposition from his own party. It's complicated because it's complicated. There are no simple solutions to how you rejigger 1/5th of our economy including dealing with things like Medicaid expansion which took place in Obamacare and a majority of the states took advantage of it. When the Democrats tried it they not only screwed up the healthcare industry they lost both houses of Congress and severely damaged their brand. Trump has promised to 1) repeal it 2) replace it with a plan that lowers rates and lets you keep your doctor and that keeps some of the things in Obamacare like keeping young adults on their parents plan and no excluding pre-existing conditions and 3) a plan that will cover everyone in America. Anyone who thinks this is going to be easy, if it works at all, isn't really looking at what this entails.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (/tuJf)

160 A lot of government workers are also watching a lot of porn at work.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (4e+hS)

161 .They literally think it is. I read a comment the other day over at HA from some woman who is convinced that Trump will put illegals in a detention camp, mass murder them and then cremate them in ovens like hitler did to the Jews. That's crazy. We can pay Mexicans to do it for half the cost.

Posted by: J.T.K. at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (oVJmc)

162 I think it's an ominous sign, as if they were promised something beforehand. I hope I'm wrong. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 04:49 PM (W8bn5) I won't *** in your mouth. Honest.

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (48QDY)

163 "I read a comment the other day at [Hot Air]" I think I found the problem.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (OrgN4)

164 "Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to."

Well, when you're on a mission to butt-rape the prol's every way possible and make sure that everyone who might oppose you is whacked so far down into the dirt that they'll never even think of challenging you again, you can't just let that go because it's quittin' time on the old punch clock.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (YsaNw)

165 147 I love threads where everyone knows how hard each and every federal government worker works. Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. Just stop Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (Mc+44) While certainly many do, I will go out on a limb and so most do not. If that angers some, well we're $200 trillion plus in unfunded liabilities and over $21 trillion in debt. I'd like to understand where the bang for the buck is.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (mbhDw)

166 Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. I don't know how hard they work or how lazy they are. I don't really care. All I care about is whether or not the job is constitutional, proper, and fiscally responsible. You could be the best working, hardest working, smartest federal employee on earth, but if your job isn't constitutionally permissible or is a waste of money... bye bye.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (39g3+)

167 We ain't doing shit, y'all.

Posted by: Gubmint Workers at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (4e+hS)

168 "and anyway a government study said that job loss would be nearly made up for in the creation of new administrative jobs. Because a coal mining job employs totes the same person as an administrative compliance officer. Totes."

Many of the highly touted "green jobs" from the 2009 Obama porkulus package turned out to be just that: environmental-enforcement kapos in government employ.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (noWW6)

169 I saw Hedges of Liberty open for Blue Öyster Cult in 1979.

Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (jpW6t)

170
This is a little bit of an aside... but I recently got a job involving  Federal Contracting I.T. work, after a fiver year absence.  And its as every bit as inefficient as I remember. People are literally being paid to wait while the Govt. counterparts get organized and decide exactly how they want us to upgrade their application.

Anyways.... this got me thinking.. shouldn't there be a department of I.T.?  The idea being that you centralize the I.T. work and management under one roof... where you can staff it with highly competent people who know their shit, know how to manage clients and their requirements, know when and how to contract out work, and who keep up on the latest technology.  You'd eventually let go of all the employees working at the alphabet agencies and instead have those agencies "purchase" time from the new IT agency.  I gotta believe you could save an enormous amount of money through economies of scale.  If the NIH already has an app for managing clinical trials, there is no reason the same people who built that couldn't reconfigure that to work for a version the VA is requesting, as just an example.

Anyways..

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (Uy6ri)

171 .They literally think it is. I read a comment the other day over at HA from some woman who is convinced that Trump will put illegals in a detention camp, mass murder them and then cremate them in ovens like hitler did to the Jews. She really believes that. Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (le7jz) Oh come on. Like Trump would waste any prime real estate on a camp.

Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 11:59 AM (z/Ubi)

172 We've had this discussion before, so I'll only remind you that it depends. Highly skilled = undercompensated Unskilled = overcompensated Posted by: pep ............... Yes.. but that means all of the talented highly skilled leave for the private sector.. leaving the doofuses to run our government.. and it shows!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 28, 2017 11:59 AM (so+oy)

173 Rick Perry turned it down, too. Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (YsaNw) NC's McCrory did too. But the teachers were pissed. AND BATHROOMs eleventy.!!!>>>!

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 11:59 AM (48QDY)

174 WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ???? Why can't this guy just go away like all the other past presidents????? http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/eric-holder-obama-ready-public-235508

Posted by: James Douglas at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (blnJH)

175 ObamaCare expanded coverage without addressing runaway costs and without an honest accounting of the new costs. Gruber admitted to this.

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (SIY7D)

176 Some federal government workers prefer to shit right in the hallway because walking all the way to the restroom keeps them away from their desk longer and has a negative impact on productivity. True fact.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (8ZskC)

177

 

Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to."

 

 

Define extremely hard as it relates to  government workers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (lKyWE)

178 You could be the best working, hardest working, smartest federal employee on earth, but if your job isn't constitutionally permissible or is a waste of money... bye bye.

No argument from me, and, I suspect, Dagny as well.  However, there's a bit too much reflexive condemnation around here. 

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (LAe3v)

179 160 A lot of government workers are also watching a lot of porn at work. Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2017 04:57 PM (4e+hS) We went on a group tour to the Capitol building in Harrisburg and sat in on a state legislator session. From our perch up high we saw what was on some of their flatscreens. No, not porn - FreeCell

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 12:00 PM (nNdYv)

180 corrected the sotu thing... isn't this the time of year for SOTU's though?

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (8rNrN)

181 147 I love threads where everyone knows how hard each and every federal government worker works.

Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to.

Just stop

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (Mc+44)

I am sure the four weeks paid vacation is some comfort.  You know when the last time I had four weeks paid vacation?

It was at a government job.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (GX63o)

182 151 Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. Why? Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (QQ+il) You'd be surprised. Every once in awhile you find a guy who likes his job. Where I worked we were doing the government side of QA for surface-to-air missiles. The technology was pretty cool, you got to travel to some nice places. Some of those guys put in a lot of time and worked damn hard. And some of them did almost nothing at all. I remeber when Doom II came out for Sun workstations. You would walk down the hall and all the doors were closed, but you could hear the frantic button mashing.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (Xuv2G)

183 "I read a comment the other day at [Hot Air]" I think I found the problem. Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo Wait, are you saying that insufferable velvet-gloved assholes are insufferable velvet-gloved assholes? Because that's a tall claim.

Posted by: colloidial silver guy[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (4YGWz)

184 As I recall, gummint workers are making far above the average, unlike the days long past when it was a secure, but lower paid, job.

Posted by: J.T.K. at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (oVJmc)

185 The first Porkulus gave Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann a $600,000 grant

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (SIY7D)

186 A lot of government workers are also watching a lot of porn at work. Posted by: Dr Spank Call it the 'Trump' effect or whatever... but Breitbart only recently moved ahead of the #1 purv-eyor of porn in internet traffic statistics.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (ZFUt7)

187 Yes.. but that means all of the talented highly skilled leave for the private sector.. leaving the doofuses to run our government.. and it shows! Excellent !!! Government's main trick is to use force to take from some and give to others. I want that entity as small as possible, and incompetent.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (AuISE)

188 121, (golf clap)

Posted by: Zombie David Bowie at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (7uYFy)

189 I heard Trump will not be cutting the SS.  As a Jewish woman, I think it's a disgrace we still have this hate group being funded with our tax dollars. Only a Nazi would think not banning the SS is OK.

Posted by: Sarah Silverman at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (1BQGO)

190 Common ground.
Bipartisan.
 Compromise.

Words we will hear tonight.

Posted by: Under Fire at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (X+rUO)

191 Pro Tip: The same "people" claiming Trump will round up and kill Jooz and others in the ovens like Hitler did are the same people who say the Shoah never happened or was wildly exaggerated as an excuse to steal Palestine and create Israel. Death to Leftism.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (mbhDw)

192 Yes.. but that means all of the talented highly skilled leave for the private sector.. leaving the doofuses to run our government.. and it shows! Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Surprisingly, they don't all leave.  Some actually care about their jobs.

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (LAe3v)

193 That 99% of government workers really tarnish the reputation of the other 1%.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (oVJmc)

194 Hey, I'm seeing Blue Oyster Cult in a couple of weeks. I wonder who's opening for them now?

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (lJW6d)

195 Heh - there's a thread up at Hot Air that proves Allah was reading AoS yesterday. 

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:03 PM (YsaNw)

196 "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

Proof of which is that the Dems in 2009 thought they could come up with a plan that would save the average family $2500 a year and you could keep your health plan if you liked it and they needed to pass the bill so we could see what was in it.

Not the best way to say it, but Trump half has a point.

Posted by: mallflower on the range at February 28, 2017 12:03 PM (b7fwp)

197 A second official said the State Department's budget could be cut by as much as 30 percent, which would force a major restructuring of the department and elimination of programs.


Wut? They're going to eliminate programs? The horror! Have you at last no decency?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 12:03 PM (SRKgf)

198 Define extremely hard as it relates to government workers

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 05:00 PM (lKyWE)


Pr0n sites.  'Nuff said.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at February 28, 2017 12:03 PM (tHwdc)

199 The policy options that aren't total repeal of ObamaCare and allowing healthcare to operate in the free market are all whores and will put out for anyone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (rF0hx)

200 Once you put someone (or someones) in the government in charge of your health care, that's it. They can off you at any time, for any reason, or for no reason.

Posted by: navybrat at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (w7KSn)

201 I remember that video of the woman Cabinet secretary who was having an orgasm describing how much she just loves her some regulatin'. She probably works late every day. Damn statist freak, she was.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (8ZskC)

202 Anyways.... this got me thinking.. shouldn't there be a department of I.T.? The idea being that you centralize the I.T. work and management under one roof... where you can staff it with highly competent people who know their shit, know how to manage clients and their requirements, know when and how to contract out work, and who keep up on the latest technology.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 28, 2017 04:58 PM (Uy6ri)


What you've described would work great where there is a bottom line and shareholders to keep happy.  You know, private sector.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (GX63o)

203 We would like to pass a bill, but we know that Obama will veto.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 28, 2017 12:05 PM (VdICR)

204 "One of the few things the US Constitution requires every year of congress is a new budget. And they blew it off 8 years."

Including the times during those eight years when Republicans were strong enough on the Hill that they could have demanded an end to that farce, and a return to regular budgeting. That they did no such thing is highly instructive.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 12:05 PM (noWW6)

205 Funny how politicians won't cut entitlements... Obamacare is an entitlement.... Which is why we screamed so hard about stopping it at the outset... once in? its almost impossible to get rid of it. Yet this is EXACTLY what Repubs ran on for three election cycles... and why they have the House, Senate, and Presidency... If they do not deliver... the anger at Washington gets ramped up another notch...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 12:05 PM (NgKpN)

206 194 Hey, I'm seeing Blue Oyster Cult in a couple of weeks. I wonder who's opening for them now?

The Reaper.  (but no need to fear him)

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:05 PM (YsaNw)

207 Oh come on. Like Trump would waste any prime real estate on a camp. It makes more sense to march them into the sea like Napoleon.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (QQ+il)

208 The size of the federal government is insane. It is simply unsupportable. The sooner we recognize that, the better. Realizing that eliminating hundreds of thousands of jobs at once would be a problem, I'm all for reassigning them to new and useful occupations - like tending and harvesting crops, building walls, laying asphalt - you know, things we need.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (Sfs6o)

209 The first Porkulus gave Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann a $600,000 grant Should have had the condition that all his data and methods become public domain.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (oVJmc)

210 Problem with a central IT dept is that it can never meet demands as quickly as the internal clients want, so they always end up hiring their own pet code monkeys.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (Om16U)

211 194 Hey, I'm seeing Blue Oyster Cult in a couple of weeks. I wonder who's opening for them now? Posted by: Pete Seria Gollee. Are any of the original members still on the team? They played at the Boardwalk out here a few years ago. They werent very tight but it was still pretty cool. Kinda wierd to have my then 16 YO son with me for "Godzilla" "Hitlers on the phone from Berlin, sez I'm gonna make you a star...." ME-262. Ah....

Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 12:07 PM (jpW6t)

212 It makes more sense to march them into the sea like Napoleon. Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 05:06 PM (QQ+il) Grind their bones into bricks for The Wall.

Posted by: @votermom @vm at February 28, 2017 12:08 PM (Om16U)

213 Weasel ... ... gun ranges. They could build gun ranges.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:08 PM (AuISE)

214 As everyone knows, "It's complicated" means you are kinda-sorta free to date ************** Is that what that means?

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:09 PM (fi5nC)

215 Should have had the condition that all his data and methods become public domain. Posted by: Mr. Peebles

That is a given at a government lab.  Sounds like they need to funnel more money my way.

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 12:09 PM (LAe3v)

216 194 Hey, I'm seeing Blue Oyster Cult in a couple of weeks. I wonder who's opening for them now? Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 05:02 PM (lJW6d) ---------- I saw Blue Oyster Cult and Black Sabbath in the late 70's, I think it was. The Black and Blue Tour.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 12:10 PM (Sfs6o)

217 Tired of the so called conservatives bashing PDT... #WWTedCruzDoDifferently?

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 12:10 PM (48QDY)

218 Use trial by combat to determine who gets to stay at State. *tosses broken pool cue on the floor* Make it quick.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (QQ+il)

219 I saw Blue Oyster Cult and Black Sabbath in the late 70's, I think it was. The Black and Blue Tour. I thought that was Ike and Tina Turner.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (8ZskC)

220 Article at Drudge says economy grew 1.6% last year. Great job, Brownie.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (oVJmc)

221 Completely OT ... ... why do heavier than avg women tend to have pretty faces ? Or is it just me ? Chic at bar ... not fat, just bigger than avg ... face is stunning. I seem to have noticed this lately. Just me ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (AuISE)

222 Why in hell would you cut funding to Obamacare, leading to all the same headlines the media would run if you just repealed the bill, but with the disadvantage of keeping the thing alive in some form? Rather than deal with the transition and be done, it only prolongs the pain, gives the media something to run with EVERY.DAMN.DAY and probably means endless lawsuits from the states whose funds are cut off. And the 9th will give them standing no matter what.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (yL25O)

223 213 Weasel ... ... gun ranges. They could build gun ranges. Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 05:08 PM (AuISE) ------ Yeah, Scogg! I keep thinking any day now we're going to start seeing two-way gun ranges all around this fine country of ours.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (Sfs6o)

224 Did those contracted Canadian IT dicks ever fix the Obamacare interface that was jettisoning new accounts like female Chinese newborns?

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (YAPkP)

225 ScoggDog, you driving home?

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (zZb/S)

226 Trust me people--"it's complicated" means -- RUN AWAY!!! Don't be stupid.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (fi5nC)

227 The first time I heard the phrase "repeal and replace", however many years ago, I knew it was a mistake and would only lead to failure. Everyone is divided on what the "replace" part should be, so nothing happens. Of course, there is zero support from the Dems, who want to stop the whole "repeal" part.

The way to go is just repeal. Then after that has been accomplished, congresscritters can start to find consensus on what some pieces of the replace might be. Once Obamacare is gone, it should be easier to find things that most can agree on. Health savings accounts. Allowing insurance companies to operate across state lines. So on and so forth.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (R+30W)

228 >>>. Are any of the original members still on the team? They played at the Boardwalk out here a few years ago. They werent very tight but it was still pretty cool. Kinda wierd to have my then 16 YO son with me for "Godzilla" yes. At least the main vocalist and the lead guitarist and co-lead vocalist, Buck Dharma, are still in. I saw them a couple of times. Buck Dharma is a reader of the blog and has been on the podcast. They put on a great show. You'll have a great time. I'd recommend it for anyone.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (8rNrN)

229 They passed 7 bills to repeal Obamacare and sent them to Obama. Pick one of those (they are all almost identical I think) and send it to Trump to sign. No replacement necessary.


This is not rocket surgery people.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (f5uaD)

230 I thought that was Ike and Tina Turner. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 05:11 PM (8ZskC) ----------- It could have been. Drugs and alcohol were a factor.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (Sfs6o)

231 As far as BOC's lineup, I think the core group is largely original. I'm not a rabid fan, just like 'em. A good friend is really into them and seems to think they're still on their game. Should be a good show. I'm also doing some internal transportation for the theater so I'll find out more from the crew.

Posted by: Pete Seria at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (lJW6d)

232 It's normally SotU-time, except right after a President is elected and inaugurated. I assume the idea is that the new Pres doesn't really know the situation and shouldn't have to report to Congress. Next year, though, sure.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 28, 2017 12:14 PM (pJeRn)

233 225 ScoggDog, you driving home? Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 05:12 PM (zZb/S) On first beer. No worries.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:14 PM (AuISE)

234 when i saw them, there was no opening band. which frankly i didn't want anyway.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (8rNrN)

235 "... why do heavier than avg women tend to have pretty faces ? Or is it just me ?

Chic at bar ... not fat, just bigger than avg ... face is stunning. I seem to have noticed this lately. Just me ?"

Like Cassius, skinny chicks have a Lean and Hungry Look.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (YsaNw)

236 The Left is going to protest PDT tonight by not shaking his hand? OOOOH that'll teach him. Hey how about bringing James Taylor along to sing a song?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (SjImc)

237 .. why do heavier than avg women tend to have pretty faces ? Or is it just me ? Same dynamic with old broads and their legs. It's the last thing to go and they take care of them. So for the fat chick and her "pretty" face. one man's opinion however offensive you broads find it.

Posted by: havildar-major at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (jpW6t)

238 Chic at bar ... not fat, just bigger than avg ... face is stunning. I seem to have noticed this lately. Just me ? Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 05:11 PM (AuISE) It hides the wrinkles.

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (48QDY)

239 And RE the SoTU address... I was kinda hoping that Trump would go back to the old school practice of just sending a report to congress. No muss, no fuss and no speech necessary.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (f5uaD)

240 "It's complicated" Is asshole speak for--"I'ma narcissistic whore dog."

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (fi5nC)

241 >>They passed 7 bills to repeal Obamacare and sent them to Obama. Pick one of those (they are all almost identical I think) and send it to Trump to sign. No replacement necessary. None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance or dealing with people with pre-existing conditions, 2 things Trump says he wants. How do you deal with those things? Leave aside the Medicaid expansion thing for a minute.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (/tuJf)

242 Trump's statement that "Who know health care would be so complicated" is a dig at the GOPe who have promised since it was enacted to "repeal Obamacare root and branch" since it was enacted. They sent kabuki theater bills repealing it to Obama 8 times knowing it would be vetoed, and who are now hemming and hawing publicly about doing what they said they would do. It's a way to put pressure on these hypocrites and only someone who hasn't paid attention to Trump and the way he was able to beat the GOPe, the Dems and the MSM to do what they all claimed was impossible. Trump will never run. Trump will never win a primary Trump will never win the nomination. Trump will never win the GE Trump will never repeal Obamacare <---- You are here Trump will never build the wall, etc. etc.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (+51lA)

243 147 I love threads where everyone knows how hard each and every federal government worker works. Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. Just stop Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (Mc+44) You are right. I had to work for decades with government agencies (mostly EPA, OSHA, and state and local equivalents) and my opinion of most of them was favorable. They were hard workers who went out of their way to do good jobs. That's not to say there aren't a lot of silly regulations and that these organizations can't be streamlined and combined. For example, I can easily see an EPA with limited rule-making ability that leaves enforcement to the individual states. There's no need for the duplication.

Posted by: Michael the TEXIT [/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 12:17 PM (nvMvs)

244 Hollywood Dentist Kicked Off Flight for Anti-Trump Comment Breitbart Should have thrown him out at 30,000 feet...but hey that's just my opinion. Fuckin Dentist

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:17 PM (SjImc)

245 "I don't know if this is true but just speculating: While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department." If the position exists, and you need to get rid of someone, I imagine it is a problem. However, this is Business 301: you are not firing the person, you are restructuring and eliminating the position, hence the employee's services are no longer required. You are not firing for cause, there is simply no more work for the specific employee to do, and so they are released.

Posted by: Not Adam Smith's Lawyer at February 28, 2017 12:17 PM (2hPK8)

246 None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance or dealing with people with pre-existing conditions, 2 things Trump says he wants. The first we can live with. People between 22 and 26 aren't big consumers of healthcare. The pre-existing thing has to be addressed. As long as that's in there you have to have a mandate or it's nothing but free riders.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:18 PM (QQ+il)

247

 

They passed 7 bills to repeal Obamacare and sent them to Obama. Pick one of those (they are all almost identical I think) and send it to Trump to sign. No replacement necessary.

 

 

You don't think those were real bills do you?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 12:18 PM (lKyWE)

248 219 I saw Blue Oyster Cult and Black Sabbath in the late 70's, I think it was. The Black and Blue Tour.


I thought that was Ike and Tina Turner.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2017 05:11 PM (8ZskC)


More recent was Rihanna & Chris Brown.

Not to make light of domestic abuse because it isn't.  But we did name one of the time clocks at a previous place of employment Rihanna.  Because you have to punch in and out.


Now I denounce myself.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 12:18 PM (jxbfJ)

249 Hollywood Dentist Kicked Off Flight for Anti-Trump Comment and not recommending Trident but mostly ...

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:18 PM (QQ+il)

250 Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to. Just stop Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 04:55 PM (Mc+44) Who gives a flying fuck if they ALL do??? Doesn't change the fact that most of them are working hard to destroy the country we love and once knew. Fuck those Prog scum. Go get a real job.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (sR4oU)

251 This is funny: DNA Test Finds Subway Roast Chicken Sandwich Only 50% Chicken http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/27/dna-test- shows-subways-oven-roasted-chicken-is-only-50- chicken/ (remove extra spaces) So, it's exactly like Our Republican'ts- Ryan, McConnell, Miss Lindsay, McCain, Murky, etc. Thank you! I'll be here all week. Try the 50% Earthworm Sub!

Posted by: naturalfake at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (vZ9Fw)

252 SJWs: Hitler cut funding to the German EPA so he could give that money to build his Berlin Wall!!1!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (493sH)

253 247
They passed 7 bills to repeal Obamacare and sent them to Obama. Pick one of those (they are all almost identical I think) and send it to Trump to sign. No replacement necessary.


You don't think those were real bills do you?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 05:18 PM (lKyWE)


They were all for show.  Their way of SHOWing us they are on our side, they want what we want (repeal of ACA) and please please please vote for them.


We are now seeing how truly spineless they are.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (jxbfJ)

254 Hollywood Dentist Kicked Off Flight for Anti-Trump Comment Actually, he was starting shit with a stewardess.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (oVJmc)

255 Should have thrown him out at 30,000 feet...but hey that's just my opinion. Fuckin Dentist

Cue up six months of "NGU is an anti-Dentite" jokes.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2017 12:20 PM (4WhSY)

256 >>Newsflash: Many federal government workers work extremely hard and for many hours more than they have to.


I'm sure there are some; however, we know that there are far too many busy beavers like Lois Lerner who work really hard at exerting unwarranted control over the lives of citizens.

Add to that the numerous slackers like John Beale, the EPA's top climate change guy who tricked his boss(es?) into believing he was also working for the CIA, bilking the govt. out of numerous days off and travel expenses. Or the ones at the EPA who created the Gold Kin mine spill in CO and Flint, MI water problems.

We have to purge the Lois Lerners, John Beales, and nameless, faceless seat-fillers in order to ensure that the govt. is a close to having the best and brightest working for them as is possible/reasonable.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (NOIQH)

257 BoC ended up going pretty mainstream rock, but at the beginning, mid-70's, they played around with some freaky imagery.  The Me-262 album cover?  "Then came the last days of May"?  "Secret Treaties"?

It was actually the period of their best music, imho. 

My personal fave has always been "Astronomy".   "Godzilla" was fun, but that was the line that marked where they started to go pop and lost the edge they used to have.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (YsaNw)

258 255 Should have thrown him out at 30,000 feet...but hey that's just my opinion. Fuckin Dentist Cue up six months of "NGU is an anti-Dentite" jokes. Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2017 05:20 PM (4WhSY) Do you think he took the job just for the jokes?

Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (z/Ubi)

259 Saw Eric Burdon open for Blue Oyster Cult at the Civic Auditorium Long Beach California December 23, 1973.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (IqV8l)

260 Common ground. Bipartisan. Compromise. Words we will hear tonight. I don't mean to be rude in asking this, but are you high? Even if that was Trump's intent, that's never been his manner of delivery, his sort of presentation, and certainly not his vocabulary. For a very good reason - it sounds loser-tastic to the type of people that make his base AND HE FUCKING KNOWS THAT. Even if he *were* intending a backstab, he is not the total fool to make it look like one. Are you imagining that Teh Don has been hollowed out into a skin suit and replaced with an extraterrestrial time-shifted Orrin Hatch clone?

Posted by: Sporkatus at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (eXSOZ)

261
Trust me people--"it's complicated" means --

RUN AWAY!!!

Don't be stupid.
---

So, Donald Trump is in a non-sexual but emotionally intimate relationship with another country, but because he hasn't had sex with them yet, it means he's not cheating?

/I know everyone thinks it's Russia, but I think he was seduced by Nigel Farage..

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (J5mC3)

262 Reductions in federal manpower is a good thing, only dept. that needs to grow is dod. The va could wither away and be privatized and I would be happy. Glad to hear that President Trump has a plan. O care needs to just die and not be replaced. Cut down the walls that fight against a free market in healthcare and watch prices fall.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 28, 2017 12:22 PM (hMqvx)

263 You are so right Red, basically the same people sent bill after bill to Obama but now can't seem to do it for Trump. It's almost like it was all kabuki theatre. The GOPe would not pull a fakeout on people just to get votes to stay in office would they?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 12:22 PM (6Ll1u)

264 Completely OT ... ... why do heavier than avg women tend to have pretty faces ? Or is it just me ? Chic at bar ... not fat, just bigger than avg ... face is stunning. I seem to have noticed this lately. Just me ? Fat smooths out the wrinkles. Thinner women, especially as they age, lose subcutaneous fat, making them look older than they are. Additionally, since we associate fat with youth (baby fat, chubby cheeks, etc), we unconsciously perceive heavier-than-average women with being younger.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 28, 2017 12:22 PM (Tnhbr)

265 No argument from me, and, I suspect, Dagny as well. However, there's a bit too much reflexive condemnation around here. Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 05:00 PM (LAe3v) Cut 90% of them off the top. We cam always add a few back if need be.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 12:22 PM (sR4oU)

266 >>The first we can live with. People between 22 and 26 aren't big consumers of healthcare. No, but it does have an impact on insurance companies when they design policies. You can't just make changes without it affecting the outcome. >>The pre-existing thing has to be addressed. As long as that's in there you have to have a mandate or it's nothing but free riders. Or you can mandate that specific carve outs be made for high risk pools for people with pre-existing conditions removing them from the general risk pools. Point is, it's complicated. Those are just two things that Trump is demanding. I can assure you that governors of the 30 states who did Medicaid expansion, many of them Republican states, are going to want something too. And then of course there is Trump's commitment that the plan will include coverage for every American. That's Trump plan not the GOPe. I firmly believe something will happen, a repeal and replace of sorts. I'm also equally sure that most won't be happy with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:23 PM (/tuJf)

267 But who will turn the rivers orange now? Who?????

Posted by: Citizen Cake at February 28, 2017 12:23 PM (ppaKI)

268 241 >>They passed 7 bills to repeal Obamacare and sent them to Obama. Pick one of those (they are all almost identical I think) and send it to Trump to sign. No replacement necessary.

None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance or dealing with people with pre-existing conditions, 2 things Trump says he wants.

How do you deal with those things? Leave aside the Medicaid expansion thing for a minute.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:16 PM (/tuJf)

++++

I don't know why we would need a law requiring insurance companies to keep adult children on their parent's insurance. If the insurance companies want to write the policies that way, fine. If not, I don't see the problem.

For the preexisting conditions thing, that is a problem, but it is solvable. The problem that has to be dealt with is the free riders that would seek to only buy insurance when they have a problem. So, everyone who is healthy doesn't sign up, and then the insurance companies are just stuck with sick people. The way to solve it is to give people who keep up their insurance a pass. Insurance companies are not allowed to exclude sick people as long as they stay in the system. So, even if they change jobs, if they stayed on a plan, then when they start the new job, the new insurance company has to cover. For the people who don't stay covered, the insurance companies can refuse to cover if they just show up once they get sick.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 28, 2017 12:24 PM (R+30W)

269 Do you think he took the job just for the jokes?

I've always pictured him more like this:

https://youtu.be/bOtMizMQ6oM

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2017 12:24 PM (4WhSY)

270 You can still find the video of the Gold King mine opening on youtube.  It's astounding, I'm amazed someone was allowed to film it, was probably covering his ass.  It's like watching the episode where Larry, Moe, and Curly try to act like they know how to handle heavy equipment.

And then when everything goes south, all they can say is "uh oh, we better get outta here!"  Idiots. 

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:24 PM (YsaNw)

271 I can well believe that President Trump has had his eyes opened about the almost infinite interpenetrations of government regulations/programs. This is something that civilians can barely conceive of, even if you're hip to the outlines of the beast.

Patience, patience. He's trying to shift from standing bareback on one galloping horse to standing bareback on another, all while being pelted with stones and abuse. Not an enviable task! I'm in the toils of Obamacare now, so I'm watching with interest. I hope he makes the shift back to the private sector, but re-privatization may need to come in stages.

He's right that the group of people who did get insurance who didn't have it before will be used as a casus belli by the Leftists if they're just dumped out of the system. I get the temptation to approach this like Alexander did the Gordian knot-- one whack of the sword! -- but it's not so simple, alas.

Posted by: Beverly at February 28, 2017 12:24 PM (3c3oj)

272 Fat smooths out the wrinkles. Thinner women, especially as they age, lose subcutaneous fat, making them look older than they are. Additionally, since we associate fat with youth (baby fat, chubby cheeks, etc), we unconsciously perceive heavier-than-average women with being younger. You said it quickly and with confidence ... I believe the whole thing. Does make sense.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (AuISE)

273 Like Cassius, skinny chicks have a Lean and Hungry Look. Well, plenty of skinny chicks are runners/etc., which tends to fuck with hormone balance and induce Man Jaw and other physical features. Just a *hint* of weight tends to soften features in ways dictated by estrogen as "feminine". Congrats, you're not attracted to dudes.

Posted by: Sporkatus at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (eXSOZ)

274 Do you think he took the job just for the jokes? Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 05:21 PM (z/Ubi) Of course not...it was to look down hot chicks blouses in the summer.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (SjImc)

275 /I know everyone thinks it's Russia, but I think he was seduced by Nigel Farage.. Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 05:21 PM (J5mC3) *********** But those teeth, though.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (fi5nC)

276 I'm thinking that all of those soon to be vacant EPA and State Dept. buildings would convert nicely into new hotels, or brothels.
 
Make America Fuck Again

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (xpfRn)

277 Are you imagining that Teh Don has been hollowed out into a skin suit and replaced with an extraterrestrial time-shifted Orrin Hatch clone? Posted by: Sporkatus at February 28, 2017 05:21 PM (eXSOZ) *Somebody* hasn't been paying attention...(commenter you replied to). I try to see as much of DJT's speechifying on YT or better yet when events livestream. Context is important, as well as his tone and delivery. Plus I'm not getting the news through a filter that was applied by some marxist organization hellbent on destroying his agenda before it gets a chance to take wing.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (nNdYv)

278 >>>This is funny:
DNA Test Finds Subway Roast Chicken Sandwich Only 50% Chicken<<<

dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ IMG_07071-e1440206888312.jpg

dump space at / img

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (YAPkP)

279 I firmly believe something will happen, a repeal and replace of sorts. I'm also equally sure that most won't be happy with it. Probably. If they repeal the mandate without the repealing the must issue I'm canceling my health insurance out of self defense.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (QQ+il)

280 anyone wonder if the deepstate would be nutz enough to leak deets on the raid that got that seal killed? I mean to the enemy. So to give cnn and friends ammo to bash trump with on the raid. Because they're playing it pretty hard out there in low info america

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (eClek)

281 Are you imagining that Teh Don has been hollowed out into a skin suit and replaced with an extraterrestrial time-shifted Orrin Hatch clone?
---

Go on....

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (J5mC3)

282 None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance or dealing with people with pre-existing conditions, 2 things Trump says he wants.

How do you deal with those things? Leave aside the Medicaid expansion thing for a minute.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:16 PM (/tuJf)


I don't want those things even if Trump does. Those "young people" are grown ass adults and can pay for their own insurance if they think it is necessary. for most of them, it would not be as they are the group that was not buying insurance in droves before Ocare (cause in reality, they are unlikely to use it so... wasted money).


The second part is harder but I gotta say STILL not the public's responsibility to pay for. And I say that as a parent of a 21 year old who has pre-existing conditions out the wazzu. It is his responsibility to take care of himself. Secondarily, it is my responsibility as his parent to take care of him if he cannot do it himself. Only then, and as a tertiary matter, would he or I appeal to the various charitable organizations and churches that help people in need. At no point in that chain does he (or I) think it is JackStraw Q Taxpayer's responsibility.


But if Trump truly wants to argue that those programs are necessary, they can stand or fall on their own merits as separate legislation.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (3JA/M)

283 Fat chicks do their makeup better.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (fi5nC)

284 If the position exists, and you need to get rid of someone, I imagine it is a problem. However, this is Business 301: you are not firing the person, you are restructuring and eliminating the position, hence the employee's services are no longer required. You are not firing for cause, there is simply no more work for the specific employee to do, and so they are released.

Nope.  Let's say you're a mid-level manager, and you are the keeper of the files.  If you get riffed, you have bumping privileges, provided you're senior, and can find some other Fed job that keeps files.  Thus, some young, hungry guy who just DESTROYS the files gets kicked out.  He too has bumping privileges, but only for someone junior to himself.   Now if you're a guy who specializes in, say, quantum mechanics, the number of positions is much more limited, so if you lose your job by rif, your chances aren't nearly as good of finding another job in your field. 

We write our position descriptions very carefully.  It allows you to weed out the marginals.

Posted by: pep at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (LAe3v)

285 The idea being that you centralize the I.T. work and management under one roof... where you can staff it with highly competent people who know their shit, know how to manage clients and their requirements, know when and how to contract out work, and who keep up on the latest technology.
=====

It always sounds good, but it never works.  Extra layers, not accountable to anyone, etc.  Have some oversight committee to make sure stuff is compatible, but leave it with existing agencies.  That seems to be the only way to get competition in larger bureaucracies.  

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (MIKMs)

286 >>I don't know why we would need a law requiring insurance companies to keep adult children on their parent's insurance. If the insurance companies want to write the policies that way, fine. If not, I don't see the problem. The problem is that Trump, not Ryan, not McConnell or any other member of the establishment, promised this among or things in any replacement plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (/tuJf)

287 Congrats, you're not attracted to dudes. Whew. Glad to hear that. I hate crocs.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (AuISE)

288 Update to: Section 404 of the Clean Water Act CWA Policy and Guidance Policy and Technical Guidance Documents Section 404 Jurisdiction General - 1979 "Civiletti" Memorandum - US AG opinion ... - 1989 Memorandum of Agreement - allocates responsibilities ... - Information pertaining to Wetlands Delineation - 2017 "RIF Tide" applicability to EPA Employees under Section 404

Posted by: Arbalest at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (FlRtG)

289 Just remember you can't cut the Department of Redundancy Department.

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (d3wbb)

290 >>Fat smooths out the wrinkles. Thinner women, especially as they age, lose subcutaneous fat, making them look older than they are.

I've seen this referred to as the "face vs. ass dilemma" as women age.
You can have a small ass (be skinny), but your face will be more hollow/wrinkly, or you can stay on the more average-to-plump size and have a healthier looking face w/less wrinkles.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (NOIQH)

291 Do you think he took the job just for the jokes? Posted by: buzzion You realize who was the dentist in those Seinfeld episodes? My wife caught it and I said, 'No way!' Yeah. Way. She was right.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (ZFUt7)

292 I hope PDT's speech is short tonight. LONG is NOT in his best interest. I'd go up there and say: " I WON"....Drop the Mic and walk out!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (SjImc)

293 Whoa. I passed out for a while there and when I woke up I heard someone saying the only thing they could think to do with it was drop me from outer space to destroy entire towns.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (/f1mm)

294 *But if Trump truly wants to argue that those programs are necessary, they can stand or fall on their own merits as separate legislation AFTER we get the repeal we have been promised for the last 7 years.


If we don't get it, the mid term election will be a Republican bloodbath (hopefully in the primaries but in the general if need be).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (3JA/M)

295 Completely OT ... ... why do heavier than avg women tend to have pretty faces ? Or is it just me ? Chic at bar ... not fat, just bigger than avg ... face is stunning. I seem to have noticed this lately. Just me ? That's your genes talking to you. A bit of fat tells you at a deep level that she's well nourished and thus a good prospect for healthy offspring. It's a fine line though. Too much fat and she might eat your babies.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (vZ9Fw)

296 >>I don't want those things even if Trump does. When you get to be President then maybe you will get your way. Until then, it's going to be Trump's way and he isn't going to sign something that doesn't include them.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:29 PM (/tuJf)

297 Listen to Trump and only to Trump. He has said multiple times since he took office: we are repealing Obamacare. I don't trust 'rumors' or 'unnamed sources' saying anything else. This is only to weaken the idea of repealing. NO NO NO.

Yes, healthcare is complicated. That is why the federal government should not control any of it. Period.

Already wrote to my senators and my representative on this issue: 100% repeal. NOW.

Easy enough to set a deadline on a replacement. Obamacare ends on December 31, 2017. Make sure you have your free market stuff in place before then. Everything will be fine.

Posted by: K-E at February 28, 2017 12:29 PM (HlvVu)

298 "While you can't just fire civil servants without a lot of costly lawsuits, I imagine that process becomes eased if there's a general downsizing of the department. " Egg - zackly. If there's not a funded position for a Senior Plasmothrust Specialist 4, then buh - bye .... unless there's someone with the same rating and less seniority that you can "bump" from their position .... it's complicated, but I've seen it in action. And I'd love to see it work itself out on a mass scale in DC ! Woohoo! Not to mention HA - HA !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (Oeb2k)

299 >>I hope PDT's speech is short tonight. LONG is NOT in his best interest. Doesn't sound like you are getting your wish. Heard a report a little while ago that the speech could be as long as 1 hour 20 minutes.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (/tuJf)

300 When you get to be President then maybe you will get your way. Until then, it's going to be Trump's way and he isn't going to sign something that doesn't include them.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:29 PM (/tuJf)


Then he is a fool.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (3JA/M)

301 So Obamacare affected about 330 million people. Repealing Obamacare affects about 10 - 12 million that were added to Medicaid, 9 million getting Obamacare plans with subsidies, and 2 million paying cash for the policies at market (haha) prices. What about the 30 millions uninsured by Obamacare? From whom may you buy car insurance without worrying about where you live or where they comoany is headquartered? a. Overweight white girl in white b. Lizard with bad accent c. Maniac causing mayhem d. Dale Earnhardt Jr. e. Dumb bitch talking about torque ratio (WTFO). f. All the above. PS Answer is f.

Posted by: Richard Hennigan at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (bmkS9)

302 Listen to Trump and only to Trump. He has said multiple times since he took office: we are repealing Obamacare. I don't trust 'rumors' or 'unnamed sources' saying anything else. This is only to weaken the idea of repealing. NO NO NO. *** i think his recent stump speech in FLa was a dry run for tonight. he's staying strong, going anti-global.

Posted by: Joe Inaugurating 45 in DC at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (eClek)

303 Healthcare is ridiculously easy. Separating it from government is hard.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (/f1mm)

304 282 None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance My kids are 19 and 21 neither are on our insurance. (i'm disabled and have medicare my wife carries just herself). Kids out of high school need to spread their wings sometime.

Posted by: USNtakim at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (hMqvx)

305 "Congrats, you're not attracted to dudes."

Plus, I'm married.  I'm well practiced at saying "no, that extra weight makes you look good!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (YsaNw)

306 Doesn't sound like you are getting your wish. Heard a report a little while ago that the speech could be as long as 1 hour 20 minutes. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:31 PM (/tuJf) Yeah I heard that also....Short and sweet is his freind.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (SjImc)

307 RE: older women thin vs. fat.

I actually had this conversation with my doctor:

Doctor: What's up with the weight?

Shibumi: Yes, I know I need to work on that. However, when I get a horrific wasting illness, as is likely with my family history, I'll more than likely lose a lot of weight. When that illness is over, I'll look great.

Doctor [a nice lady who had her jaw dropped in abject horror]: Oh my God, that's horrible. Don't even think like that!

That being said... if you're old and overweight, you can withstand a wasting illness. Old and thin? Much harder to come out of it OK.

Posted by: shibumi, a rational single white female and kitteh servant at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (J5mC3)

308 Healthcare is ridiculously easy. Separating it from government is hard.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 28, 2017 05:31 PM (/f1mm)


This is true of anything government gets its sticky mitts on.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (3JA/M)

309 I hope he shocks the shit out of the Establishment like he did at the Inauguration. Fuck all of them. War. We voted for Trump to try to stop the insanity and save the nation.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (mbhDw)

310 BTW, there are still 40 million uninsured, just like before Obamacare. They switched to announcing percentages to hide it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (/f1mm)

311 Bring back Free Clinics.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (QQ+il)

312 >>> Common ground. Bipartisan. Compromise. Words we will hear tonight. Posted by: Under Fire at February 28, 2017 05:02 PM (X+rUO) Ooooh, speech bingo would be fun. "Bigly" gets the center square? Do these announcements (Gorsuch, budget, etc) get more publicity than they did in Obama's reign? I feel like I'm much more aware of when they happen. Or does it just feel that way because Trump Barnum and Bailey's them better? Me also caring more could be playing a part.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (hvf9s)

313 304 282 None of those bills included keeping young people on their parents insurance My kids are 19 and 21 neither are on our insurance. (i'm disabled and have medicare my wife carries just herself). Kids out of high school need to spread their wings sometime. Posted by: USNtakim at February 28, 2017 05:31 PM (hMqvx) If at 26 you are considered a minor and need to be on your parents insurance, then as a minor you lose the right to vote. Except for service men and women.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (mbhDw)

314

 

18 years old and worried about health insurance join the military

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (lKyWE)

315 286 >>I don't know why we would need a law requiring insurance companies to keep adult children on their parent's insurance. If the insurance companies want to write the policies that way, fine. If not, I don't see the problem.

The problem is that Trump, not Ryan, not McConnell or any other member of the establishment, promised this among or things in any replacement plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:27 PM (/tuJf)

++++

I can't see Trump vetoing a plan merely because it doesn't have this one thing. He might want it, but that won't stand in the way of a solution.

Besides, when discussing policy issues, I don't feel the need to check with Trump first. I may agree with him on a lot of things, but he can be wrong on occasion.

I would be willing to bet a big chunk of change that if the GOP did deliver one of those bills to Trump that Obama had previously vetoed, Trump would not veto it.

Part of the reason is that repeal does not need to be the end of the story. Once Obamacare is gone, there can still be additional legislation dealing with health insurance.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (R+30W)

316 I hate crocs.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 05:27 PM (AuISE)

How about messenger bags?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (rF0hx)

317 Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 05:34 PM (hvf9s)

Socks with Tevas?

Really?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (rF0hx)

318 All women look the same with the light turned off

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (6Ll1u)

319 George Will actually had a good column recently pointing out the EPA only has 20,000 employees.

The rest are state and local, under the direction of the EPA, and funded from various grants and such.

In other words, the official "cut the EPA here in this room" department is in fact extremely small relative to its actual bureaucratic footprint, which is disbursed and distributed nationwide. Gonna take some tedious, hands-on monkey tick picking, not just a quick dip at the vet.

Posted by: Jamie at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (xuma8)

320 So Houston cops shot todsy, two in hospital after a shoot out midday One suspect killed, one on the run

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (MZ/gs)

321 >>My kids are 19 and 21 neither are on our insurance. (i'm disabled and have medicare my wife carries just herself). Kids out of high school need to spread their wings sometime. I'm with you. I'm not advocating for any of these things, just pointing out that a straight repeal is not going to happen because Trump wants to keep some of this stuff and, as he has said numerous times, provide a plan that covers every single American.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (/tuJf)

322 Socks with Tevas?

Really?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2017 05:36 PM (rF0hx)


All the rage with middle age dads of the hippy variety.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:37 PM (3JA/M)

323 A bit of fat tells you at a deep level that she's well nourished and thus a good prospect for healthy offspring.

It's a fine line though.

Too much fat and she might eat your babies.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 28, 2017 05:28 PM (vZ9Fw)


What happened to "the more the cushion, the better the pushin' "?

Disappointed no one has gone there yet before I did.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 12:37 PM (jxbfJ)

324 Another benefit of fat girls - they generally can't run as fast as the skinny ones.

Posted by: Weasel at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (Sfs6o)

325 If at 26 you are considered a minor and need to be on your parents insurance, then as a minor you lose the right to vote. Except for service men and women. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 28, 2017 05:34 PM (mbhDw) Actually at 26 your off. It's only up to 26..thru your 25th year. I think if you want to stay on your parents plan after college or highschool...fine but there should be a reasonable surcharge. On Tricare it is not free...it cost an extra 200 or so...but that is reasonable

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (SjImc)

326 "So Houston cops shot todsy, two in hospital after a shoot out midday. One suspect killed, one on the run"

The HPD were not providing descriptions of the perp on the lam.

"Calling all cars. Calling all cars. Be on the lookout for a person. That is all."

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (noWW6)

327 Too much fat and she might eat your babies. Posted by: naturalfake at February 28, 2017 05:28 PM (vZ9Fw) Probably not unless there's a famine in which case she might eat the father though. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (fDdVG)

328 I'm with you. I'm not advocating for any of these things, just pointing out that a straight repeal is not going to happen because Trump wants to keep some of this stuff and, as he has said numerous times, provide a plan that covers every single American.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:36 PM (/tuJf)


I would say he needs to back off of that position. It is poison for Republicans. Quite frankly though, I agree with Sefton. If one of the existing repeal bills lands on his desk, I don't think he would veto it.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 28, 2017 12:39 PM (3JA/M)

329 Shooters are Hispanic males I swear, since they know they are going back to Mexico or wherever, there have been more shootouts and more abandoned cars after accidents

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 12:39 PM (MZ/gs)

330 Fat bottom girls you make the rocken world go round

Posted by: Zombie Freddie Mercury at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (HDU3V)

331 How many EPA drones lost their jobs over that mine disaster? And how much would they have done to crucify a mere citizen who did the same thing?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (oVJmc)

332 What happened to "the more the cushion, the better the pushin' "?Disappointed no one has gone there yet before I did. The fat jokes are pretty standard here. Even with the amusing folks we have here these don't sore to heights of rib busting hilarity.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (fDdVG)

333 Living in Colorado, I saw a lot of women in their late twenties who were sinew and overtanned skin. It was actually kind of sad. They were not attractive at all. Too thin, a blotchy kind of tanned.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (Tnhbr)

334 On line at KTRK says hispanic males

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (MZ/gs)

335 >>>All women look the same with the light turned off<<<

The same can be said for trannies and dudes.  This is why G_d, in His infinite wisdom, gave us five senses.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (YAPkP)

336 sore=soar.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (fDdVG)

337 At some point, Republicans just have to face the reality that a group of people is going to be pissed off no matter what they do. There is no silver bullet here, some people are getting a free ride at the expense of others. But we had this debate at the last election and our side won. I want to see Democrats run on "bring back Obamacare". Good luck with that.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (njtEN)

338 " Listen to Trump and only to Trump. He has said multiple times since he took office: we are repealing Obamacare. I don't trust 'rumors' or 'unnamed sources' saying anything else." The media is still gaslighting us 27 / 7. Not gonna stop anytime soon, might as well take that into account every time you see anything in the "news".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (Oeb2k)

339 >>I would be willing to bet a big chunk of change that if the GOP did deliver one of those bills to Trump that Obama had previously vetoed, Trump would not veto it. All he has to do is ask. Heard him a little while ago saying he had a great meeting with Ryan and McConnell yesterday to discuss the budget and other agenda items. Apparently, he didn't ask for one of those vanilla repeal bills. >>Part of the reason is that repeal does not need to be the end of the story. Once Obamacare is gone, there can still be additional legislation dealing with health insurance. But why? Is it just the thrill of having a repeal bill passed? It's not going to make any difference in this years rates so what's the point of just doing a repeal bill and giving the left a buttload of ammo to report on it 7x24? I honestly see zero benefit to a blanket repeal with no replacement and a lot of downside.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (/tuJf)

340 What happened to "the more the cushion, the better the pushin' "?Disappointed no one has gone there yet before I did. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 05:37 PM (jxbfJ) Fat girls are much more appreciative of the attention, and more willing to get freaky in bed.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (Tnhbr)

341 You know what I somehow missed everyday during the Obama siege? That fevered frantic high-pitched speculation and assessment on every damned thing he said he was going to do or did by the MSM.

Posted by: washrivergal at February 28, 2017 12:42 PM (Ivjge)

342 338 " Listen to Trump and only to Trump. He has said multiple times since he took office: we are repealing Obamacare. I don't trust 'rumors' or 'unnamed sources' saying anything else." The media is still gaslighting us 27 / 7. Not gonna stop anytime soon, might as well take that into account every time you see anything in the "news". ====================== YES, YES, YES, YES THIS!!!!!

Posted by: ghbucky at February 28, 2017 12:43 PM (D2q91)

343 I honestly see zero benefit to a blanket repeal with no replacement and a lot of downside. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:41 PM (/tuJf) I'm with yooos

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:43 PM (SjImc)

344 Businesses are happy enough to keep covering 'the kids' until they are 26 because it helps lower rates by having a lot of young, healthy people in the pool.

Posted by: K-E at February 28, 2017 12:43 PM (HlvVu)

345 Fat girls are much more appreciative of the attention, and more willing to get freaky in bed.

Also much more likely to finish off the last package of Oreos.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2017 12:44 PM (4WhSY)

346 Ya know what kind of girls I like now a days? The kind that leave me alone and let's me watch sports and the History channel in peace.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 12:44 PM (SjImc)

347 Is ammosoft a reliable software company? I need to reset the admin PW in my tower.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (5t7Yo)

348 Heard a guy on the radio this morning with Kilmead saying a lot of the movement against Trump (and pushing the anti-Russia line) are trying to protect their gravy train with China.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

349 Listen to Trump and only to Trump. He has said multiple times since he took office: we are repealing Obamacare. I don't trust 'rumors' or 'unnamed sources' saying anything else." _______ I don't think Trump is the problem, it's Congress. The biggest impediment will be the Republican Congress to much of Trump's agenda. Republicans have passed an ObamaCare repeal like 6 times, but it was failure theater. Now when it counts, it's simply too hard to do.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (njtEN)

350 I would have to check, but I think the Reichstag fire was started when a minor subspecies of field mouse was not listed as "endangered" due to bureaucratic delay and that allowed a hotel to be built on pond used as the backup fire-water supply. or something

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (LWu6U)

351 Trump wants to keep some of this stuff and, as he has said
numerous times, provide a plan that covers every single American.

Posted by: JackStraw
====

Tuple-ist!

Posted by: Double Americans at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (dyGok)

352 I see everything wonderful about a blanket repeal. The biggest issues: pre-existing conditions and the poor. We can find a way to do that, but we need to free up the stifled markets to do it.


Posted by: K-E at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (HlvVu)

353 "I swear, since they know they are going back to Mexico or wherever, there have been more shootouts and more abandoned cars after accidents"

Beating feet away from the beater car has been SOP since forever with the illegal-alien contingent here. Typically they bail out after a drunken wreck or while fleeing the po-po.

No way to track them down later on since the car doesn't have legit tags on it.

Victor Davis Hanson, who lives on a farmstead in a part of the Central Valley that's overrun with illegals, has written about how he routinely has to have a tow truck come pull yet another smashed abandoned clunker out of his fenceline and vines.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (noWW6)

354 I would like Trump to ask about the 5B large that went "missing" from State under Clinton.

Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2017 12:47 PM (oiNtH)

355 Also much more likely to finish off the last package of Oreos. Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 28, 2017 05:44 PM (4WhSY) Just as well. Their partners didn't need all the sugar in oreos anyway.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:47 PM (fDdVG)

356 I honestly see zero benefit to a blanket repeal with no replacement and a lot of downside. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:41 PM (/tuJf) Yup. A blanket repeal won't make everything go magically back to the way that they were. And "fuck you" isn't an adequate response for the people hurt by any repeal of Obamacare.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (Tnhbr)

357 Well the Clintons are in bed with Chi-naa True

Posted by: ThunderB at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (MZ/gs)

358 Nood

Posted by: Skip at February 28, 2017 12:49 PM (HDU3V)

359 Clintons are in bed with anyone who will grease their palms.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:49 PM (fDdVG)

360 Socks with Tevas? Really? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 28, 2017 05:36 PM (rF0hx) Yay more shoe talk. And yes, CBD, I knowwww. Sigh. The one benefit of dating a hipster is they at least wear attractive shoes. My guy is definitely not a hipster. But he can build a house from the ground up, so pros/cons.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 12:49 PM (sz0dQ)

361 Testing

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 12:50 PM (hvf9s)

362 So Maxine Waters is boycotting the speech tonight and some other loser will refuse to shake hands with Trump if given the opportunity. I wonder if these dullards know how little these acts of "defiance" means a shit to anyone, least of all Trump.

Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2017 12:51 PM (oiNtH)

363 I honestly see zero benefit to a blanket repeal with no replacement and a lot of downside. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 05:41 PM (/tuJf) Yup. A blanket repeal won't make everything go magically back to the way that they were. And "fuck you" isn't an adequate response for the people hurt by any repeal of Obamacare. Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile __________ A repeal could be staged in a way where there is a time period for people to find alternatives, it doesn't mean they get thrown off their health care plan as soon as it's signed. But the longer there is no clear direction, the more nervous Republicans are going to jump ship. Already Senator Murkowski has basically said she's not going to go for a full repeal, that number will grow the longer it takes. Republicans should have had a plan a long time ago instead of just using the issue to fundraise.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:51 PM (njtEN)

364 290 >>Fat smooths out the wrinkles. Thinner women, especially as they age, lose subcutaneous fat, making them look older than they are. == I think I've read recently that this is only true after age 40, and that before then thinner faces tend to look more youthful. (It may be different for men and women, though, and this may have been just for men.)

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 28, 2017 12:52 PM (PXbkt)

365 Work has been hell lately. I think I'm going to Disneyland.

Posted by: Leonardo DiCaprio's Eyebrow Artist at February 28, 2017 12:53 PM (97XyN)

366 OT - Anthony Brian Logan's take on the KAC couch dust-up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOFn7MISLo @4:15: Trump brings all his visitors into the Oval. He loves to host the People in the People's House. somewhere around 5:40 he disagrees with righties criticizing her for being unprofessional and then throws in the obligatory clip of FAB's definitive Side of Beef moment. Rest of it is ABL's theory that lefties are outraged at KAC because she looked sexy, and they're jealous. Quite a few commenters agreed about her looking hot. I don't know, the fauxrage thing strikes me as odd and makes me weep for my country.

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 12:53 PM (nNdYv)

367 CBD, should the boy and I stay together, and should we both attend a MoMee where you are in attendance, you have my full permission to give him merry hell over his footwear choices.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2017 12:54 PM (hvf9s)

368 >>A repeal could be staged in a way where there is a time period for people to find alternatives, it doesn't mean they get thrown off their health care plan as soon as it's signed. There can't be an alternative until the insurance companies know the parameters of new regulations which will allow them to build and price policies. It's not a matter of immediately throwing people off plans, it's a matter of putting in a real plan that doesn't cause the kind of market chaos Obamacare did when it was rammed through. I'd kind of like to keep the majorities in Congress and the Presidency for a while. Not because I love them all but because I don't want a return of the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:55 PM (/tuJf)

369 This is complete and utter bullshit, the GOP has been campaigning on repealing Obamacare for 6 fucking years and now that they have the power to do it suddenly it hard.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 28, 2017 12:59 PM (gGV8Y)

370 291 Do you think he took the job just for the jokes? Posted by: buzzion You realize who was the dentist in those Seinfeld episodes? My wife caught it and I said, 'No way!' Yeah. Way. She was right. Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at February 28, 2017 05:28 PM (ZFUt7) Say my name.

Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 01:08 PM (z/Ubi)

371 Assuming Trump really did make that comment about health care being "so complicated", and it was not made tongue-in-cheek, you can bet that its a matter of Trump realizing no matter what he says or does, he's going to be bombarded with the usual "30 million without health care" lie that the D-rats have been screaming so as to stir up the usual LIVs forever. Let me tell you, boys and girls. I have been on "Obamacare", up close and personal. And I can tell you it is an unmitigated clusterfuck, and that quite literally is the only word to describe it. It is incredibly overpriced, with astronomical deductibles, and the "plans" are all about what they will NOT pay for if you need medical treatment. And oh yes, the "subsidies" you get to help pay for it, if you can, well look out. If it turns out you made just a wee bit too much money last year, the Feds want all those thousands (yes, thousands) of dollars in "subsidy" money back come April 15. And no, I'm not making this crap up, because it happened to me. About all that is left of Obamacare, at least here in Texas is what amounts to Medicaid. All the other insurers (the last one was Aetna) pulled out by the end of last year. I say kill it and let them scream. If you are really that destitute, just do what the illegals do. Go to your local emergency room and get your "free medical care" there. What it's likely going to take, for those few million US CITIZENS that don't have healthcare insurance is an expansion of Medicaid of some sort. As for the rest, made up of illegals, kick their asses out of the country. That will solve a lot of the problem right there....

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - No-Longer-Deplorable Source of all SMODs at February 28, 2017 01:18 PM (T1H5V)

372 "I don't want those things even if Trump does." I don't want them either. The problem is that keeping adult children on their parent's insurance until 26 seems to be the one part of Obamacare that is been hugely popular. I don't think the GOP will dare to change that. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at February 28, 2017 01:25 PM (P8951)

373 If you talk in terms of "Healthcare" when discussing the subject you have already lost. It is, or was, "Insurance".

Health care is a matter between you and your doctor.

Posted by: Javems at February 28, 2017 01:51 PM (yOqwj)

374 I don't imagine Trump completely going back on any of his promises. He is more beholden to his voters than any other president that I can think of. The Dems hate his guts and openly revolt, the media is against him, the GOPe is against him, the deep state is against him, the lefties of the world are against him. The only allies he has are his many, many voters here in the US. He has very clearly and publicly chosen sides in this war. It's hard to imagine him deciding his best course of action would be to screw the voters and try to cozy back up to the establishment.

Posted by: ElKomandante at February 28, 2017 01:56 PM (K3zou)

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