June 30, 2016

Judicial Watch: Law Enforcement Sources Tell Us a Gun Used in the Paris Massacre Came from Phoenix, Home of Obama's Fast and Furious Program
— Ace

Now, you have to be careful with how they phrase things here.

They don't say the gun came from the Fast and Furious program -- just that it came from the area where the Fast and Furious program was in operation.

However, Judicial Watch alleges the government behaved strangely to cover up this gun's provenance.

Which is mighty suspicious.

This isn't a fact, just a possibility. At least at this point.

I'm sure the media will get right on this.

One of the guns used in the November 13, 2015 Paris terrorist attacks came from Phoenix, Arizona where the Obama administration allowed criminals to buy thousands of weapons illegally in a deadly and futile “gun-walking” operation known as “Fast and Furious.”

A Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

The investigative follow up of the Paris weapon consisted of tracking a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a gun’s ownership history by, among other things, using serial numbers. The Phoenix gun owner that the weapon was traced back to was found to have at least two federal firearms violations—for selling one weapon illegally and possessing an unregistered automatic—but no enforcement or prosecutorial action was taken against the individual. Instead, ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner’s identity was “kept quiet,” according to law enforcement sources involved with the case. “Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public,” a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch.

Posted by: Ace at 09:35 AM | Comments (214)
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1 I'm sure the media will get right on this. The media will be right on this like Johnny Manziel will be on getting sober on July 1st like he said he will.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 09:39 AM (mf5HN)

2 Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

You or I would be in jail.  This guy?  Not so much.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 09:40 AM (YEelc)

3 If the shop owner had made a video about guns it would have been his ass.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 30, 2016 09:41 AM (TJCSB)

4 Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public, a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch.

OK, which Imam was it?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 09:41 AM (YEelc)

5 I'm sure the media'll blame it on Operation Gunrunner.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 09:42 AM (CGjum)

6 If I was being paranoid, I would say that the Obama administration got a lot of those hot guns shipped around the world to get them out of the press. They kept showing up in embarrassing events that reminded people of the horrific policy. But they'd never do that, right?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 09:43 AM (39g3+)

7 The Democratic Party Guns for Terrorists and Criminals, None for Good, Honest Americans

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 09:43 AM (9krrF)

8 Oh c'mon, due process is important, but this is WAR. Relax, Paul and I got this...

Posted by: Lindsay Graham at June 30, 2016 09:43 AM (wjmTS)

9 So was the gun dealer the FBI?

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 30, 2016 09:43 AM (oDCMR)

10 Was F&F going on while the Regime was trying to arm Syrian rebels?

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (7HtZB)

11 See ! We told you anyone can buy an automatic assault rifle !!!!

Posted by: LIV's everywhere at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (TQxRy)

12 we are so screwed on so many levels.

Posted by: Bosk at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (n2K+4)

13 So who was this guy? A government agent?

Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (byC4T)

14 You or I would be in jail. This guy? Not so much. Translation: He knew something they didn't want out, so they cut a deal.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (9krrF)

15 did the First Name Guys follow us?

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - I speak of the Pompatous of Love at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (WlGX+)

16 I'll be the ATF higher ups are kicking themselves for not setting up a private e-mail server.

Posted by: Ken in NH at June 30, 2016 09:44 AM (6o8oh)

17 Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public, Lululululululululu boom!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 09:45 AM (mf0wg)

18 Speaking of professional investigations and getting to the bottom of things, how do you expect me to find the real killers sitting in this @#$% cell?

Posted by: Orenthal James at June 30, 2016 09:45 AM (XyDmR)

19 We did nothing wrong, stop with your Islamophobia, or else.

Posted by: Allah Ackbar Gun Emporium And Spice Shop at June 30, 2016 09:45 AM (TJCSB)

20 I can guarantee you Sharyl Attkisson is going to follow this one through. This is a face slap to the den of thieves she parted from on less than happy terms.

Posted by: Orson at June 30, 2016 09:46 AM (HKPcG)

21 They cant say it but we can. Fast and Furious guns used for international terrorism.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 09:46 AM (Dxa+Y)

22 The ATF always tries to 'not anger' the seller of banned firearms ... like at Ruby Ridge

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 09:46 AM (Doh4+)

23 Alas Mr. Franklin, we could not keep it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 30, 2016 09:46 AM (5a2rB)

24 So we could have a CIA gun dealer, a FBI gun dealer or a ATF gun dealer. Choices.

Posted by: Puddin Head at June 30, 2016 09:47 AM (oDCMR)

25 Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation. You or I would be in jail. This guy? Not so much. You can bet your ass if his name even remotely sounded like Bob Jones, NRA Life Member, it would have played 24/7/365.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 09:47 AM (mf0wg)

26 I don't see a problem here. Fast and Furious wasn't on the terror watch list.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 09:47 AM (Nwg0u)

27 They cant say it but we can. Fast and Furious guns used for international terrorism. Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 02:46 PM (Dxa+Y) I'm pretty sure the cartels using them in Mexico counts as international terrorism too.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 09:47 AM (mf5HN)

28 I love how hard they worked to keep the shop owner from talking to the press. It was obvious they were very interested in keeping him from spreading this around. Now if I trusted the justice department at any level, I'd say perhaps that was because its part of a larger investigation, but now?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 09:48 AM (39g3+)

29 Did ISIS know this was a Fast and Furious gun, and were trolling Obama by killing a 130 people?

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 09:48 AM (Doh4+)

30 The GOP report on this will be thorough when it comes out mid way through Hillary's second term.

Posted by: steevy at June 30, 2016 09:48 AM (B48dK)

31 So we could have a CIA gun dealer, a FBI gun dealer and a ATF gun dealer walk into a bar and get into a fight over jurisdiction

Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (byC4T)

32 This had to be on the agenda for Bill's and Loretta's airport parley.

Posted by: Raspail at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (XyDmR)

33 Aw, hell, you know that the gun-grabbers will just use this to prove that America's "gun culture" is responsible for the Paris attacks.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (NOIQH)

34
We need to pass a gun control law that prevents the obama administration from selling guns to terrorists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (ODxAs)

35 Dear Lord, dark humor is beginning to fail in the face of willful lawlessness, incompetence, and the contempt and hatred these people in DC have for the American People. When dark humor fails.... Well I've never reached that point so I'll see in the near furture.

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (2Y1kI)

36 Paris is lovely in the spring. I think I'll pop over for a visit.

Posted by: Gun at June 30, 2016 09:49 AM (SeD0w)

37 I don't even understand logistically why you'd even do it this way?

Unless F et F guns were taken to Libya to be sold out of the Benghazi consulate...

*mind blown*

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 09:50 AM (CGjum)

38 unregistered fully automatic weapon, - I'm not bound by your NRA approved buzz words. I'm calling it a better hunting rifle.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 09:50 AM (Nwg0u)

39 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 09:50 AM (g6yUI)

40 these people need to be punished and if hillary gets in office it will be more of this kind of shit....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 30, 2016 09:50 AM (0O7c5)

41 What is Obama, the DOJ, and the FBI, trying to cover up about that hate crime in Orlando?

Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 09:51 AM (byC4T)

42 unregistered fully automatic weapon, - I'm not bound by your NRA approved buzz words. I'm calling it a better hunting rifle. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (Nwg0u) I'm redistributing that comment to me.

Posted by: alexthechick - I despair I despair at June 30, 2016 09:51 AM (mf5HN)

43 I'm still waiting for the media to get on Mateen's disappearing co terrorist wife.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 09:51 AM (iQIUe)

44 This is weird. As has already been pointed out, there are much closer and cheaper sources of automatic weapons.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 09:51 AM (0mRoj)

45 33 Aw, hell, you know that the gun-grabbers will just use this to prove that America's "gun culture" is responsible for the Paris attacks. Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 02:49 PM (NOIQH) ---------------------- Nailed it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 09:52 AM (T/5A0)

46 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? --------------------------- Diplomatic currier? Not US, maybe someone else?

Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 09:52 AM (byC4T)

47 39 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (g6yUI)

This is a FANTASTIC question.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at June 30, 2016 09:52 AM (cPMmb)

48 >>What is Obama, the DOJ, and the FBI, trying to cover up about that hate crime in Orlando?


ISIS?
His family's support/involvement? Maybe even Taliban ties?
His wife's involvement?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 09:52 AM (NOIQH)

49 Rightwing conspiracy.

Posted by: Roland [OMITTED] at June 30, 2016 09:53 AM (QM5S2)

50 Fast & Furious is one of the great un-investigated political scandals of all time.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 09:53 AM (8ZskC)

51 Related: Senator Dick "Dick" Durbin is a dick. Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin says he requested the purge of almost 900 pages of documentation in the FBI training manual that Muslim advocacy groups found offensive.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 09:53 AM (Nwg0u)

52 "there are much closer and cheaper sources of automatic weapons. " Cheaper than having a US Gov Agency buy it for you? And make sure background checks are pencil whipped?

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 09:53 AM (jN+3o)

53 Nothing to see here, citizen.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 09:54 AM (8ZskC)

54 >>How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?

Probably Mexico-->Paris?
The F and F guns went to a Mexican cartel.
Cartels are now working w/jihadis at the border, right?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 09:54 AM (NOIQH)

55 I've been assured that Fast and Furious was simply a continuation of a program "W" started. Holder was just trying to clean up his mess. -Every prog

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (SeD0w)

56 Fast & Furious is one of the great un-investigated political scandals of all time. Posted by: Cicero I would love to see the communications with Mexico that preceded the whole mess, wherein the 'American guns' BS was floated. I wonder if that stuff is in Hilary's server or on State machines.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (Doh4+)

57 IF, for example, the US Federal government expedited certain shipments and were light on inspections, one could conceivably imagine guns moving quickly and easily from the Americas to Europe. So as to make them go away from news coverage, for example. Or even if it was just that Fast & Furious was much bigger than we understood, allegedly tracking 'worldwide' distribution. Or, to be even more conspiratorial, this was part of where the 6 billion in black ops money went from the State Department, to arm certain groups the Obama administration wanted to see succeed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (39g3+)

58 I don't even understand logistically why you'd even do it this way? Unless F et F guns were taken to Libya to be sold out of the Benghazi consulate... Still not understanding it. That part of the world = full auto AK $50.00 Semi auto AK from the US - $300.00 Unless ALL of the F&F guns were full auto.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (mf0wg)

59 "hell, you know that the gun-grabbers will just use this to prove that America's "gun culture" is responsible for the Paris atta" Of course. It was their plan all along.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (Dxa+Y)

60 39 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (g6yUI) ============ Drug smugglers, human traffickers, a network in the airport/shipping port.. paying off the right officials..all come to mind.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (Ffw22)

61 Posted by: Brother Cavil at June 30, 2016 02:43 PM (9krrF)

It tells you who they fear the most.  It also tells you who they're planning to screw over the hardest, which is why they fear their guns.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 30, 2016 09:55 AM (S2VsH)

62
Close the Obama Gun Loophole!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2016 09:56 AM (ODxAs)

63 >>Or, to be even more conspiratorial, this was part of where the 6 billion in black ops money went from the State Department, to arm certain groups the Obama administration wanted to see succeed.


So....America-->Libya, then Libya-->Brussels/Paris?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 09:56 AM (NOIQH)

64 *hands out tin-foil hats to those who forgot to bring their own* Think about all the people you know in real life, not here. Your co-workers, your Mom and your sister, the softball team, the neighbors who come to the barbecue and bring something nice, the patrons at the bar whom you've had a friendly conversation with. If you can come up with 100 people with whom you interact socially, how many do you think even know the term "Fast and Furious" in this context?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 09:56 AM (1xUj/)

65 Drug smugglers, human traffickers, a network in the airport/shipping port.. paying off the right officials --- airport baggage handlers

Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 09:56 AM (byC4T)

66 "What is Obama, the DOJ, and the FBI, trying to cover up about that hate crime in Orlando?" Benghazi 2 the sequel? (A best selling author?) Somebody wrote a novel about clueless DC types who thought they could control radical terrorist with bribes and sweet deals. Didn't read it but read a synopsis.

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 09:57 AM (jN+3o)

67 I am calling B$ of the be careful part.  If this was discovered during any normal ATF investigation the Dealer would be charged, tried and spending 20 years in jail right now.  It was a walk due to Fast and Furious. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 09:57 AM (iONHu)

68 Where are today's Woodward and Bernsteins? The American media is a pathetic joke.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 30, 2016 09:57 AM (8ZskC)

69 Fine. *I* posted this in an earlier thread and NONE of you jackwagons even commented. *ACE* posts this and it becomes "the thing to talk about". **pouts**

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 09:58 AM (8XRCm)

70 >>Where are today's Woodward and Bernsteins? The American media is a pathetic joke.


Herridge and Atkisson.
Not that they'll ever get awards and recognition...

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (NOIQH)

71 >>>>Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to
be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to
law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the
investigation.


You or I would be in jail. This guy? Not so much.
.
.
.
.The ATF hooked him and "urged" him to sell guns illegally.  He had the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head if he didn't comply.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (iONHu)

72 Lessee... we're arming ISIS, we're arming the terrorists, we armed the Mexican cartels we're clearing the road for Iran to get nukes, and we're sending Iran billions of dollars to buy warplanes and more weapons, we're selling control of all of our uranium to Russia... did I leave anyone out?

Oh, that's right.  We're degrading our own military and trying to disarm our own population.  I forgot that part.

My conclusion is that the SCOAMF must be a really serious, dedicated Christian.  Because he obviously want to help Armageddon happen and usher in the next world.  Or something.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (iIzG7)

73 65airport baggage handlers Posted by: Newbie at June 30, 2016 02:56 PM (byC4T) _____________ Yep. BH and construction workers get SIDA access without as much scrutiny as flight crew.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (Ffw22)

74 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?"

If only there were a specific department of the federal government who dealt with other countries, had installations in those other countries that could not be searched by the host government, and routinely shipped pouches which are immune to customs scrutiny back and forth from those installations.

That would sure come in handy at times.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (noWW6)

75 *shoots fixerupper in the knee* Manners, son. Mind your manners.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (1xUj/)

76 Drug smugglers, human traffickers, a network in the airport/shipping port.. paying off the right officials..all come to mind. Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 02:55 PM (Ffw22) I guess we're just lucky that they were all unable to carry out the difficult and complicated procedure of filing off the serial numbers ... Next time they'll hire people with experience in stolen cars.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (g6yUI)

77 54 >>How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? Stash it under your burqa and yell "racial profiling" if the TSA says anything. You'll be ushered right through.

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2016 09:59 AM (MJuTN)

78 "they're planning to screw over the hardest," People of faith who pray. Do DC types and muslims have faith in anything or anybody but Maduk and/or Satan? Don't think so.

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:00 AM (jN+3o)

79 OFF TOPIC check out a new horde written book - The Man From P.I.S.S. Link in nic Thanks!

Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2016 10:00 AM (7lVbc)

80 I'm sure the media will get right on this. ................ but Trump said "Fight fire with fire". Trump said "Fight fire with fire". Trump said "Fight fire with fire". Trump said "Fight fire with fire". Trump said "Fight fire with fire". Trump said "Fight fire with fire".

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at June 30, 2016 10:00 AM (HgMAr)

81 I'm amazed the guns weren't from the Beghazi Blat-o Bazaar that got Ambassador Stevens killed....

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 10:00 AM (SzZnW)

82 That's just it, rick, none of it makes sense.

There's zero reason to not pick up an AK from one of those shitbox countries and just walk it across the borders to end up in Paris. Why would anyone want a semi-auto from the US that had to cross oceans to get there?

Nothing in this adds up. Even getting a F et F gun from a drug smuggling ring would have to cost it's weight in drugs to smuggle.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 10:00 AM (CGjum)

83 The Phoenix gun owner that the weapon was traced back to was found to have at least two federal firearms violations -for selling one weapon illegally and possessing an unregistered automatic -but no enforcement or prosecutorial action was taken against the individual. Instead, ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner's identity was "kept quiet,"

Still confusing in terms of which came first; the investigation into the terrorist firearm or the owner getting caught with the automatic and off book sale.

The way it's written makes it sound like PerpA was caught with the violations a while ago, and then let go. Then the ATF investigated the firearms used in the Paris attack which lead back to PerpA.

That reading does make it sound like the admin let him go in order to induce more violations or act as an informant.

The GOPe only needs to shove things like this in the face of the Left; if administrations like Oblamo's aren't going to prosecute firearms violations, there is zero reason to pass more laws.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (p2X2f)

84 Judicial Watch is great for DC stuff. But they have had a lot of bad stories coming out of the border area. Lots of claims of AQ training camps in Mexico that were just not true. So, HUGE GRAIN OF SALT.

Posted by: Harun at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (dZQh7)

85 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (g6yUI) ***** Piece of cake in a private jet.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (mItMd)

86 Fine. *I* posted this in an earlier thread and NONE of you jackwagons even commented. *ACE* posts this and it becomes "the thing to talk about". **pouts** Dude. I went OT at comment #14 of the Dump and no one cared.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (mf0wg)

87 On topic So the Mexican President and Obama doing that Trump bashing recently seems like they are trying to distract from the Fast & Furious connection to the Paris attacks.

Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (7lVbc)

88 I'm amazed the guns weren't from the Beghazi Blat-o Bazaar that got Ambassador Stevens killed.... Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 03:00 PM (SzZnW) ---- Well.... how do you think the gun got from Phoenix to Paris.???? Thru Benghazi.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (8XRCm)

89 How do you get a gun from PHX to PAR?

The belly compartment in any airliner.

On a tramp steamer.

On a private jet...

In a diplomatic pouch...

all kinds of ways.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (SzZnW)

90 I would love to see the communications with Mexico that preceded the whole mess, wherein the 'American guns' BS was floated. I wonder if that stuff is in Hilary's server or on State machines. Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 02:55 PM (Doh4+) It would be like a reverse Zimmermann Telegram.

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 10:01 AM (7HtZB)

91 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?" Have a Gov agency ship it? State Department? CIA? USAF?

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM (jN+3o)

92 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair ........... Do you have any idea how many Muzzie's own shipping businesses here and around the world? They wanna move something, it gets "consolidated" with freight from a dozen different companies shipping legally. Muhammad's cousin Hakim does the unpacking on the other end.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM (so+oy)

93 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?"

You change planes at Atlanta.  Everyone knows this.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM (iIzG7)

94 82 That's just it, rick, none of it makes sense. There's zero reason to not pick up an AK from one of those shitbox countries and just walk it across the borders to end up in Paris. Why would anyone want a semi-auto from the US that had to cross oceans to get there? Nothing in this adds up. Even getting a F et F gun from a drug smuggling ring would have to cost it's weight in drugs to smuggle. Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 03:00 PM (CGjum) Exactly. You could pick up full auto AKs by the crate full in North Africa on the cheap and sail them up to France with little difficulty.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM (0mRoj)

95 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? Not many people know there is a bridge between them

Posted by: Zack Beauchamp - Vox Editor at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM (TQxRy)

96 81 I'm amazed the guns weren't from the Beghazi Blat-o Bazaar that got Ambassador Stevens killed.... Posted by: sven10077 at June 30, 2016 03:00 PM (SzZnW) ============ Maybe it was and this story is a red herring. ::takes off foil hat::

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 10:03 AM (Ffw22)

97 Ace is like E.F. Hutton. When he talks, everybody listens.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at June 30, 2016 10:03 AM (Nwg0u)

98 *shoots fixerupper in the knee* ----- Ponders changing name to "Ilene."

Posted by: fixerupper at June 30, 2016 10:03 AM (8XRCm)

99 how many do you think even know the term "Fast and Furious" in this context? ...and, contrast that with the same pool of people who know what Kim and Kanye named their first born, you will understand how well, and truly f'd we are as a nation.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 30, 2016 10:03 AM (SeD0w)

100 The Phoneix gun owner sold the gun illegally, and had other violations, yet was not prosecuted.

Posted by: Jon Ne Onename at June 30, 2016 10:04 AM (byC4T)

101 I went from Phoenix Arizona all the way to Tacoma, Philadelphia, Atlanta L.A. Keep on cocking me baby

Posted by: Eric Holder's long gun at June 30, 2016 10:04 AM (HgMAr)

102 >>So the Mexican President and Obama doing that Trump bashing recently seems like they are trying to distract from the Fast & Furious connection to the Paris attacks.

...or they were just being dicks. Because Obama never misses an opportunity to be a dick.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (NOIQH)

103 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? " Drug runners and islamoterrorists coexist in Mexican border towns.

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (Dxa+Y)

104 "I would love to see the communications with Mexico that preceded the whole mess" You might if Putin, Israel, France, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, ... Any one of them decide it is in their interest to put it out. They all know.

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (jN+3o)

105 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? You use the gun show loophole.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (Doh4+)

106 Think about all the people you know in real life, not here. Your co-workers, your Mom and your sister, the softball team, the neighbors who come to the barbecue and bring something nice, the patrons at the bar whom you've had a friendly conversation with. If you can come up with 100 people with whom you interact socially, how many do you think even know the term "Fast and Furious" in this context? Posted by: Bandersnatch at June 30, 2016 02:56 PM (1xUj/) I wonder if "Fast and Furious" was deliberately chosen as the op's name in order to confuse it with the movies of the same name in the minds of the average citizen?

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (7HtZB)

107 I'm still waiting for the media to get on Mateen's disappearing co terrorist wife. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 02:51 PM (iQIUe) __________________________ Oh,, she didn't disappear. I've hired her on to be Humas' personal assistant... *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (HSmrB)

108 @79 I forgot to say, it's a FREE book

Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2016 10:05 AM (7lVbc)

109 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? ---- Well..... technically...... you dont.

Posted by: Zombie Ambassador Stephens at June 30, 2016 10:06 AM (8XRCm)

110 Think about all the people you know in real life, not here. If you can come up with 100 people with whom you interact socially 100? Are you kidding? I can't even come up with 10.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:07 AM (0mRoj)

111 The majority of the Fast and Furious arms went to Mexico. Where they ended up in narcotraficante hands.

Somehow one of the weapons ended up in France. In jihadi hands.

One way to illuminate that apparent conundrum is to posit that there is regular traffic of jihadis back and forth from Europe to Mexico, and active collaboration between narcotraficante elements and jihadis.

Unsettling corollary conclusions spring from this line of reasoning.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 30, 2016 10:07 AM (noWW6)

112 "yet was not prosecuted" They literally told the agents to not piss the gun seller off. The shop owner was payed extra to sell it illegally. Except is it illegal if a Gov agency asks you to do it?

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:07 AM (jN+3o)

113 ...or they were just being dicks. Because Obama never misses an opportunity to be a dick. Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 03:05 PM (NOIQH) ................ He's just KIND of a dick.

Posted by: Mark Halperin at June 30, 2016 10:08 AM (HgMAr)

114 100 people? Well, ain't you fancy.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 10:08 AM (CGjum)

115 87 So the Mexican President and Obama doing that Trump bashing recently seems like they are trying to distract from the Fast & Furious connection to the Paris attacks. Posted by: @votermom at June 30, 2016 03:01 PM --------------------------- Nah. The bashing would have happened no matter what. And they don't need to distract anyone from F&F because the media has made sure no one knows anything about it to begin with.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 10:09 AM (T/5A0)

116 I wonder how fast French prosecutors will put out warrants for Holder and whoever was in charge of the ATF at the time.

Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2016 10:09 AM (9221z)

117 Top. Men.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 30, 2016 10:10 AM (x/D2W)

118 Do they come with ammo?

Posted by: Parisian Musloid at June 30, 2016 10:10 AM (HgMAr)

119 So what are they saying. That someone went to all of the trouble to go to Arizona, buy a weapon and then go to the hassle of smuggling it across the border, across the ocean and over to France. Hell, why not just wait until one of our agents hands him a weapon, hell, maybe even ship it to wherever in the spirt of the "Destroy the 2nd Amendment as Furiously as possible" program.

Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 10:10 AM (6Xbsz)

120 Is there any idea who this gun seller was? Any members of the Horde in the Phoenix area that could hazard a guess?

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (7HtZB)

121 Except is it illegal if a Gov agency asks you to do it?

Posted by: Huh?


Yes, you're still relying on the word of a handful of people at the ATF and DOJ not to prosecute you. Sounds like the quid pro was for him to keep his mouth shut.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (p2X2f)

122 Well, you know that Mexicans are really French, don't you, dummies?

Posted by: Hektor[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (CGjum)

123 I wonder how fast French prosecutors will put out warrants for Holder and whoever was in charge of the ATF at the time. tout de suite ?

Posted by: McCool at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (TQxRy)

124 Fast and Furious... Aren't I investigating that?

Posted by: Darrel Issa at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (F1ndw)

125 They probably fly them over on Loretta's private jet.

Posted by: wth at June 30, 2016 10:11 AM (HgMAr)

126 "Exactly. You could pick up full auto AKs by the crate full in North Africa on the cheap and sail them up to France with little difficulty." Not without alerting every secret police unit in EU and UK. Starting to look like the Paris attack was Obama sponsored terrorism.

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:12 AM (jN+3o)

127 Hell, why not just wait until one of our agents hands him a weapon, hell, maybe even ship it to wherever in the spirt of the "Destroy the 2nd Amendment as Furiously as possible" program. Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 03:10 PM (6Xbsz) How come the government doesn't give me a weapon like that?

Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2016 10:12 AM (9221z)

128 122 Well, you know that Mexicans are really French, don't you, dummies? Posted by: Hektor at June 30, 2016 03:11 PM (CGjum) That's what I was saying!

Posted by: Napoleon III at June 30, 2016 10:12 AM (7HtZB)

129 "way to illuminate that apparent conundrum is to posit that there is regular traffic of jihadis back and forth from Europe to Mexico, and active collaboration between narcotraficante elements and jihadis." Yep. But can't have that truth get out so MOAR GUN CONTROL

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 10:12 AM (Dxa+Y)

130 The only thing that makes me wonder is why the agencies involved are being so secretive about it and feeling the need for distractions.  I mean, it's obvious that they don't give a $h!t about what anyone in America thinks.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 10:12 AM (iIzG7)

131
If the story is true, I agree it is mighty weird for that gun to get half way around the world when the whole middle east is awash in weapons.  Economics also applies to criminals.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 30, 2016 10:13 AM (ODxAs)

132 >>Yes, you're still relying on the word of a handful of people at the ATF and DOJ not to prosecute you. Sounds like the quid pro was for him to keep his mouth shut.


Yep, the F and F program *forced* the gun dealers to sell these guns to cartels, and they darn well knew they were being set up.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 10:13 AM (NOIQH)

133 116 I wonder how fast French prosecutors will put out warrants for Holder and whoever was in charge of the ATF at the time. Posted by: Iblis at June 30, 2016 03:09 PM (9221z) They threatened to arrest Dubya and Bibi at one time. I'd like to see Holder dragged before the World Court in the Hague. By his own soldaten, as Duke said in "Stalag 17."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 10:14 AM (p4UlV)

134 The new common-sense gun safety laws that I've proposed would have kept that from happening.

Posted by: Comrade Paul Ryan at June 30, 2016 10:14 AM (57K5j)

135 "Lessee... we're arming ISIS, we're arming the terrorists, we armed the Mexican cartels we're clearing the road for Iran to get nukes, and we're sending Iran billions of dollars to buy warplanes and more weapons, we're selling control of all of our uranium to Russia... did I leave anyone out?" Handing control of the Internet to the concatenation of tyrannies known as the "international community".

Posted by: Brown Line at June 30, 2016 10:14 AM (zcbZo)

136 "Sounds like the quid pro was for him to keep his mouth shut. " I would want a video recording in the hands of trustworthy people all around the world. I'm thinking that would be people in Russia, China and Iran. US is now one step from full on fascism. (gun confiscation)

Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (jN+3o)

137 109 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? ---- Well..... technically...... you dont. Posted by: Zombie Ambassador Stephens at June 30, 2016 03:06 PM (8XRCm) And yet they lost the Ark of the Covenant in that warehouse. But an AK gets to Paris from Phoenix.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (p4UlV)

138 Right, Guy. If you were a narco-trafficer, would you rather ship 9 pounds of rifle or 9 pounds of cocaine?

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (CGjum)

139 Helmet flamethrower Why not? http://tinyurl.com/zzuzckv

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (/CXhS)

140 126 "Exactly. You could pick up full auto AKs by the crate full in North Africa on the cheap and sail them up to France with little difficulty." Not without alerting every secret police unit in EU and UK. Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 03:12 PM (jN+3o) I don't know about that. You think the EU has a functional intelligence apparatus that extends to North Africa? Or that MI6 has a handle on every illegal arms shipment? Life isn't an episode of Strike Back, cool as that would be.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (0mRoj)

141 "How come the government doesn't give me a weapon like that?" Pah, because your the ones who could possibly get it into your heads that the King is being unjust and unkind. Me on the other hand. I'm drooling over the Anvil/458 I seep man juice just by thinking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC9ZXuC7zok

Posted by: Drider at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (6Xbsz)

142 >>"way to illuminate that apparent conundrum is to posit that there is regular traffic of jihadis back and forth from Europe to Mexico, and active collaboration between narcotraficante elements and jihadis."


Well, there's that Iran-Venezuela relationship that is sketchy...

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (NOIQH)

143 Was he on the terrorist watch list? Oh.

How about the Paris murderers- not them either?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 10:15 AM (O0lVq)

144 F&F gun finds its way into the hands of a Mexican cartel. Someone in the MidEast buys a bunch of coke from the cartel, and some guns too. Gun winds up in the hands of ISIS

Posted by: Napoleon III at June 30, 2016 10:16 AM (7HtZB)

145 Bet the seller in Phoenix is a member of a protected class, too. Se habla espanol.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at June 30, 2016 10:16 AM (U6f54)

146 Life isn't an episode of Strike Back, cool as that would be. Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (0mRoj) Because there would be a hot lady in every town, village or bar, no matter how remote?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 30, 2016 10:16 AM (3ZoRf)

147 The Fast and Furious gun trafficing was intended to entrap would be terrorists. In other words, a way for the intellegience agencies to infiltrate possible terrorist cells. So it could be possible the guns used in Paris were given to a couple of jihadis in the hope the jihadis would lead the supplying agency to more jihadi cells. If I were writing a book, that's the storyline I would use.

Posted by: Jon Ne Onename at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (byC4T)

148 138 Right, Guy. If you were a narco-trafficer, would you rather ship 9 pounds of rifle or 9 pounds of cocaine? Posted by: Chupacabra at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (CGjum) Yup. The risk/reward calculus on that is a total no-brainer.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (0mRoj)

149 Well, there's that Iran-Venezuela relationship that is sketchy... ............. Neither use toilet paper?

Posted by: wth at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (HgMAr)

150 If there isn't a hot lady in every bar you go to, you're obviously not drinking enough.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/b][/i] at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (CGjum)

151 This makes no sense at all. How did an AK  from the U.S. get to Paris, meanwhile you can drive or take a ferry to some of the most prolific illegal arms markets in the entire world from France.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (O0lVq)

152 Nothing happens in Phoenix, ask Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (voOPb)

153 If you can come up with 100 people with whom you interact socially

I can do that.  ...in binary.

Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (F1ndw)

154 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? Through Virginia, duh.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at June 30, 2016 10:17 AM (GzDYP)

155 Life isn't an episode of Strike Back, cool as that would be. Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (0mRoj) So you're saying I can't bang a hot girl, kill terrorists, then bang another hot girl? Son of a bitch!

Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 10:18 AM (7HtZB)

156 Bet the seller in Phoenix is a member of a protected class, too. Se habla espanol. Lululululululululu. As in Lululululululululu boom!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 10:18 AM (mf0wg)

157 >>>"I'm sure the media will get right on this." Thanks for depressing me even more.

Posted by: Max Power at June 30, 2016 10:18 AM (q177U)

158 91 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?" Have a Gov agency ship it? State Department? CIA? USAF? Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 03:02 PM (jN+3o Air Force One

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 30, 2016 10:18 AM (2Y1kI)

159 146 Life isn't an episode of Strike Back, cool as that would be. Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (0mRoj) Because there would be a hot lady in every town, village or bar, no matter how remote? Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 30, 2016 03:16 PM (3ZoRf) Sure, I guess that's part of it.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:18 AM (0mRoj)

160 147 The Fast and Furious gun trafficing was intended to entrap would be terroriststake away your 2nd Amdt rights. Fify

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (voOPb)

161 There is only one plausible reason why the ATF would be so worried about not upsetting the gun seller, and that is because they know the gun seller has info that could make the ATF look bad. So yes, it is most likely an F&F gun.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (NnYnv)

162 wth? oh well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (voOPb)

163 Just look at these houses! The Romans know how to live: https://goo.gl/DYkdRG

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (iQIUe)

164 Well, they do say what happens in Phoenix, stays in Phoenix.

Er, or did I get that wrong?

Posted by: Marcus T at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (O0lVq)

165 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?

Air France has direct flights.  Check your luggage and go.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 10:19 AM (YEelc)

166 Jeez...they have been kicking around the term "narco-terrorist" for years now. This isn't new...nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 30, 2016 10:20 AM (r65B3)

167 158 91 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?" Have a Gov agency ship it? State Department? CIA? USAF? Posted by: Huh? at June 30, 2016 03:02 PM (jN+3o Air Force One Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at June 30, 2016 03:18 PM (2Y1kI) Ever see Michelle Obama body cavity searched? I thought not.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at June 30, 2016 10:20 AM (voOPb)

168 147 ---If I were writing a book, that's the storyline I would use. Posted by: Jon Ne Onename at June 30, 2016 03:17 PM ------------------ Cool, dude! I think we can go with something like that!

Posted by: Ben Rhodes at June 30, 2016 10:20 AM (T/5A0)

169 155 Life isn't an episode of Strike Back, cool as that would be. Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 03:15 PM (0mRoj) So you're saying I can't bang a hot girl, kill terrorists, then bang another hot girl? Son of a bitch! Posted by: josephistan at June 30, 2016 03:18 PM (7HtZB) Well, you'd have to be a disgraced ex-pat Delta Force operator working for a secret British counterterrorism unit first to even have a ghost of a chance.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:21 AM (0mRoj)

170 ... LYNCH: WELL, BILL, IT'S BEEN A PLEASANT HALF HOUR, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU HER FBI INVESTIGATION WILL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY.  NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A DELIVERY TO MAKE IN PARIS, AND I NEED TO GET WHEELS-UP NOW.  LET'S TALK AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY.

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Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 10:21 AM (iIzG7)

171 well terrorists are exploiting the southern border and allegedly have training camps in Mexico so maybe thats how they got the gun

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:21 AM (zOTsN)

172 how do you get guns from phoenix to paris? air force1 would be my guess.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 30, 2016 10:21 AM (ucDmr)

173 Totally OT: I've always been good at gegraphy, but I surprised even myself by just taking a 'blank map test" of Africa and getting 40 country-locations exactly right, which account for about 95% of the land-mass. The ones I "got wrong" were all the dinky little countries on the northwest coast where (as is almost impossible not to) I got some of them jumbled up and switched the names around. There were only four nations in the whole continent whose names I couldn't remember, all of which are tiny and obscure. You can try it yourself by going to http://www.freeusandworldmaps.com/ images/World_Regions_Print/Africa_WorldRegionsNoText.jpg (remove space) and filling in the names WITHOUT referring to a labelled map. It's actually a pretty fun and interesting self administered quiz.

Posted by: zombie at June 30, 2016 10:21 AM (jBuUi)

174 152 Nothing happens in Phoenix, ask Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton. ____________________ I totally believe Loretta when she says she and Bill didn't discuss the FBI's criminal investigation of Hillary. That's because they were discussing the terms of the Clinton's pay-off to Loretta for not indicting Hillary. Loretta will be appointed to the board of the Clinton Foundation after her term as AG is up. Purely coincidental, you understand.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 30, 2016 10:22 AM (NnYnv)

175 170 you forget the part where she wipes her chin

Posted by: wth at June 30, 2016 10:23 AM (HgMAr)

176 "Life isn't an episode of Strike Back Archer, cool as that would be."

For the Horde's consideration.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 10:24 AM (iIzG7)

177 176 "Life isn't an episode of Strike Back Archer, cool as that would be." For the Horde's consideration. Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 03:24 PM (iIzG7) Whore Island!

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:25 AM (0mRoj)

178 172 how do you get guns from phoenix to paris? air force1 would be my guess. Posted by: chavez the hugo at June 30, 2016 03:21 PM (ucDmr) Keep it under your Arab outfit. TSA won't search you because that would be discrimination.

Posted by: buzzion at June 30, 2016 10:25 AM (z/Ubi)

179 terrorists are exploiting the southern border and allegedly have training camps in Mexico so maybe thats how they got the gun Posted by: ThunderB Here's the $64,000 question: Why dick with a US semi-auto half way around the world when you can pick up a full auto for $50.00 in Northern Africa?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT[/s][/i][/b] at June 30, 2016 10:25 AM (mf0wg)

180 OT: Is Donald Trump about to step on his short finger? Supposedly he's seriously considering Krispy Kreosote for veep. Way to go, Trump.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 10:25 AM (p4UlV)

181 I totally believe Loretta when she says she and Bill didn't discuss the FBI's criminal investigation of Hillary I'm somewhat inclinded to think they were discussing (in a vague and oblique way) what information the Clinton's have that would be so damaging to Obama that he doesn't want it made public. Which would make that information so damaging that the Clinton's can't use it except in a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario. Of course, that could be a con and the Clinton's don't really have anything, but Obama believes they do because he knows what is in his background.

Posted by: Jon Ne Onename at June 30, 2016 10:26 AM (byC4T)

182 >>Neither use toilet paper? Posted by: wth

More than that, I'm afraid....
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hkyahjv

Ahmadinejad was tight with Chavez.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 10:26 AM (NOIQH)

183 Judicial Watch reported on Apr 14, 2105 that ISIS had a training camp across the border from El Paso

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:26 AM (zOTsN)

184 ISIS has two training bases outside of Juarez

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:27 AM (zOTsN)

185 179 Here's the $64,000 question: Why dick with a US semi-auto half way around the world when you can pick up a full auto for $50.00 in Northern Africa? Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 30, 2016 03:25 PM (mf0wg) It's easier to send shit from south of our border around the world than from our own shores. Allegedly. Anyway, it's called free trade, ironically.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 10:27 AM (p4UlV)

186 "How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?"


Air America

Posted by: Patina Awry Newt at June 30, 2016 10:27 AM (NwIkk)

187 "Is Donald Trump about to step on his short finger? Supposedly he's seriously considering Krispy Kreosote for veep."

That would undo a lot of the good will he's fostered with some people who were wavering on their NeverTrump commitment.

Posted by: Qoheleth DIXIT at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (iIzG7)

188 174--- The fact that Loretta and Bill met at all says everything. They do not even have to worry about the appearance of propriety anymore.

Posted by: Ben Rhodes at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (T/5A0)

189 Judicial Watch reported on Apr 14, 2105 that ISIS had a training camp across the border from El Paso

Having been to El Paso and looked across the border, how could you tell?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (YEelc)

190 I stand with President Obama calling for a global ban on guns using the UN. I also agree 100% that the world's gun violence problem is the fault of American citizens. Please turn in all of your guns at your local public school in exchange for your children. That is all.

Posted by: Paul Ryan, Lors of the Uniparty Legislature at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (2Y1kI)

191 I wanna toss out the possibility of a cloned S/N. There is no guarantee that where-ever ISIS is getting their toys is following BATF/Euro-weenie marking policies too closely.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (Doh4+)

192 Posted by: TrivialPursuer at June 30, 2016 03:22 PM No, Loretta Lynch will not be appointed to the board of the Clinton Foundation, She will be appointed to the Board of the Clinton-Obama Global Foundation Which will be run by Barack and Michelle after Clinton 's successful election, or by Bill and Hill, while Barack golfs if Hillary fails.

Posted by: rd at June 30, 2016 10:28 AM (v0YLX)

193 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris?

Take a right at Albuquerque.

Posted by: Bugs at June 30, 2016 10:29 AM (QM5S2)

194 >>Life isn't an episode of Strike Back Archer, cool as that would be

*sigh*
Hot guys kicking terrorist butt....

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at June 30, 2016 10:29 AM (NOIQH)

195 194 >>Life isn't an episode of Strike Back Archer, cool as that would be *sigh* Hot guys kicking terrorist butt.... Posted by: Lizzy at June 30, 2016 03:29 PM (NOIQH) If I could sell my soul in return for one wish, I'd be Michael Stonebridge.

Posted by: Insomniac at June 30, 2016 10:30 AM (0mRoj)

196 thats 8 miles from the US border that would make this a border story cant have that

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:30 AM (zOTsN)

197 Nood.

Posted by: johnd01 at June 30, 2016 10:30 AM (ukNFU)

198 I'm sure the keeper of the list will do as good a job as OPM and IRS did protecting personal data.

Posted by: willy at June 30, 2016 10:31 AM (Ffw22)

199 85 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (g6yUI)

*****
Piece of cake in a private jet.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at June 30, 2016 03:01 PM (mItMd)



Don't look at me.

Posted by: Sid Blumenthal at June 30, 2016 10:31 AM (XVTvT)

200 I am sure the Mexican drug cartels dont have any resources for smuggling nope nor contacts at the airports and in the airlines no way and no way they would cooperate with ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:32 AM (zOTsN)

201 180 Supposedly he's seriously considering Krispy Kreosote for veep. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 03:25 PM -------------------------------- I hope not. Very bad choice.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at June 30, 2016 10:32 AM (T/5A0)

202 "Having been to El Paso and looked across the border, how could you tell?" Black flags over shantytown?

Posted by: Lauren...TEXIT at June 30, 2016 10:33 AM (Dxa+Y)

203 Judicial Watch reported on Apr 14, 2105 that ISIS had a training camp across the border from El Paso Posted by: ThunderB JW was echoing a USG document; not their own reporting.

Posted by: Jean at June 30, 2016 10:33 AM (Doh4+)

204 How do you even get a gun from Phoenix to Paris? The amount of paperwork required and hoops to jump through must be enormous ... unless you're muslim. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at June 30, 2016 02:50 PM (g6yUI) ATF puts it in a shipping container for a Paris-bound flight from Sky Harbor, PHX. It arrives in Paris, and muzzies working at the Paris airport, previously tipped off, divert the package from the normal inspection routine. Easy-peasy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 30, 2016 10:34 AM (Pvd+w)

205 21 Aug 2014, Townhall reported that there is cooperation between the Mexican drug cartels and ISIS

Posted by: ThunderB at June 30, 2016 10:34 AM (zOTsN)

206 Fast and Furious was a nice tight cover ploy. The cover is that we were supposed to track baddies... The reality? Those baddies act up and shoot stuff up to make the Gun Control issue more emergent...because we law abiding citizens wen't doing it... It's all about control, plain and simple.

Posted by: mudshark at June 30, 2016 10:35 AM (uLgME)

207 OT: Is Donald Trump about to step on his short finger? Supposedly he's seriously considering Krispy Kreosote for veep. Way to go, Trump. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 30, 2016 03:25 PM (p4UlV) That's so two hours ago.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Tent Sale at the Outrage Outlet! Sizzling Summer Savings on Slurs, Slams, and Slanders at June 30, 2016 10:43 AM (hLRSq)

208 "Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public," a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch.

BUT WE NEED MORE FUCKING GUN LAWS.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 30, 2016 10:46 AM (wtvvX)

209 "ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner's identity was kept quiet.

I'm guessing the name starts with, um, M-o-h. You know the rest.

So, at the very least, we have  jihadi organizations with the ability to move big guns across the USA, with supposedly strict gun laws, and across the ocean to other jihadis who receive them in secret and hide them until they launch their attack.

How many more guns are out there? How many RPGs?

We're doomed.

Posted by: PJ at June 30, 2016 10:49 AM (cHuNI)

210 Am I the only person on the planet who didn't get guns from the ATF? I actually have that on a tee shirt. Old days from another blog.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at June 30, 2016 10:55 AM (fofP7)

211 At least they didn't say "botched." I don't know if we'll ever find the actual trail of where this weapon went after they "lost" track of it, but "Fast and Furious" was far from their only dirty deal. The ATF moved illegal guns into Chicago as part of Operation Gangwalker (I think that name is unofficial but you can find some detail on it searching for that name). They also had operations in Florida, and Honduras, and State Department was implicated in Honduras (which has been a burr in Obama's saddle since they kicked out his Marxist buddy for trying to stage a coup). There is strong evidence that weapons were moved to "militant" groups in Libya and we don't really know where those weapons came from. We also have known "CIA" weapons loose in Syria, and we don't know where they came from. It would be easy for the CIA to obtain a pallet of AKs from ATF and fly them somewhere rather than buy them cheaper from overseas sources. Basically, the thing that really terrifies me is that our government *is not* the worst in the world, by a long shot, and yet this is what they get up to (and lie to us about). It's nice that the MFM wants to play along and lie with them, though. Good Little Soldiers, they are.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at June 30, 2016 11:20 AM (wB8Tg)

212
I'm somewhat inclinded to think they were discussing (in a vague and oblique way) what information the Clinton's have that would be so damaging to Obama that he doesn't want it made public.

Which would make that information so damaging that the Clinton's can't use it except in a Mutually Assured Destruction scenario.

Of course, that could be a con and the Clinton's don't really have anything, but Obama believes they do because he knows what is in his background.

Posted by: Jon Ne Onename at June 30, 2016 03:26 PM (byC4T) 


How about, "We have every e-mail the President sent the Clinton server." 

And they probably do.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 30, 2016 11:37 AM (P/kVC)

213 For the hundredth time, I am not buying this. Every organized crime outfit west of Luxembourg and south of Vienna has warehouses of ex Warsaw Pact small arms. The former war zones in the Balkans. Syria, though they tend to import, not export. Libya's warehouses, remember he used to supply the IRA and many of the European Communist groups like the Baader Meinhofs. Sending American commercial market semiauto knockoffs to Europe is like shipping coal into West Virginia. In other words, will buy it when I see pics and paperwork.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at June 30, 2016 12:46 PM (QSnbM)

214 "I'm sure the media will get right on this." Oh hell yeah - just imagine what a stink the gun grabbers will make out of this! A REAL assault weapon used in international terror murdering, and procured right here in the gun-violence-addicted USA!! OMG! - the media will be going crazy! Oh wait... they aren't saying anything? WTF?! That is sure strange isn't it? Right strange. Almost like the perfect story about evil USA and evil guns, but there must be some kind of "poison pill" in it that makes the gun grabbers not want to touch it. Wonder what it is? Surely their zeal to save human life from guns couldn't be nullified by politics could it? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 30, 2016 01:28 PM (JNKLN)

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